Re: G3 Buying Advice

[Beniamino Cenci Goga]

Let's put it in this way:


		serial	scsi	usb		firewire 
	airport		LCD	DVD
Kanga		yes	yes	no		no		via 
PC card	12"	no
Wallstreet	yes	yes	via PC card	via PC card	via 
PC card	13-14"	no
Lombard		no	yes	yes		via PC card	via 
PC card	14"	possible
Pismo		no	no	yes		yes 
	internal	14"	yes
iBook 500G312"	no	no	yes		yes 
	internal	12"	possible


The 260 USD break point is between the Wallstreet and the Lombard 
(for units in good conditions).


Ben

PS. forget about the work-around of using USB pc cards on the Kanga 
(feasible but not supported), also forget the floppy internal option 
on the Lombard and Pismo (feasible but the module are very rare).




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Re: G3 Buying advice.

[Brian Mahoney]

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But in the tens of G3s I've worked on I've had FAR more issues with
Wallstreets - non-booting, battery charging and power management problems -
than on the Lombards and Pismos put together.
   



Half the Wallstreets I work on have bad Power Manager boards.

Very few have bad sound/power input boards.

The price of Wallstreet Is and IIs on the surplus market is now so low 
that buying them just for the 14.1" screen (complete with working hinges) 
... or working PMU ... or working whatever ... alone, is worth the price.
 

Mind if I ask what the Wallstreet IIs are going for? Haven't found a way 
to check real sales except on that auction site. Are the prices on the 
everymac information pages legitimate or are they pretty outdated?


The problem I have around here is that no one seems to know the names of 
the mac laptops. Without that it's hard to find out what they're 
selling. When you email the seller, they frequently know nothing beyond 
turning it on and using it. When you think about it, that's probably 
just the way it should be!


BM

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Re: G3 Buying advice.

[Malcolm Cornelius]

>> But in the tens of G3s I've worked on I've had FAR more issues with
>> Wallstreets - non-booting, battery charging and power management problems -
>> than on the Lombards and Pismos put together.
> 
> Half the Wallstreets I work on have bad Power Manager boards.

Yes I see a lot of those.

> Very few have bad sound/power input boards.

Really, I see quite a lot of broken power plugs, and bad solder joints.  I
also see a bizarre problem where everything works except battery recognition
which is cured by changing the sound board.
 
> The price of Wallstreet Is and IIs on the surplus market is now so low
> that buying them just for the 14.1" screen (complete with working hinges)
> ... or working PMU ... or working whatever ... alone, is worth the price.

Same here in UK.

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Re: G3 Buying advice.

[ACFX44501]

>But in the tens of G3s I've worked on I've had FAR more issues with
>Wallstreets - non-booting, battery charging and power management problems -
>than on the Lombards and Pismos put together.

Half the Wallstreets I work on have bad Power Manager boards.

Very few have bad sound/power input boards.

The price of Wallstreet Is and IIs on the surplus market is now so low 
that buying them just for the 14.1" screen (complete with working hinges) 
... or working PMU ... or working whatever ... alone, is worth the price.

Lombards are still on the expensive side.

Pismos doubly so, although an occasional bargain can be found.

Overall, as I do mostly DVD work the Pismo makes the most sense.

With a Pismo (or Lombard) I can burn a DVD at 2X internally, and at "best 
speed" externally, although the Lombard (USB) is hardly better than the 
internal 2X, while the Pismo and the external Firewire is competitive 
with my desktop machines.


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Re: G3 Buying advice.

[Malcolm Cornelius]

> But one question: you PismoPeople keep mentioning the internal airport card,
> but what do you do when you want g-speed browsing? Then the issue of the
> single PC card port comes into play again.

Do you think it is so much faster that you'd really worry about it ?

On the test I performed, admittedly a while ago and quite basic, until you
got to large file transfers there was little to choose between the two - the
latency of the extreme cards seemed much higher than original airport.

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Re: G3 Buying advice.

[GalBros]

In a message dated 11/9/05 7:03:49 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>I have a Wallstreet, Lombard, Pismo, and a Clamshell aswell. The one I
>prefer is the fastest the Pismo 500.

Yep; speed kills anything slower than it.

I think we call all agree that none of the 'books -- i or power -- are too 
shabby. The originator of the post probably could not go wrong with any of the 
suggested laptops. Just a question of personal preference and/or budget.

But one question: you PismoPeople keep mentioning the internal airport card, 
but what do you do when you want g-speed browsing? Then the issue of the 
single PC card port comes into play again.

But no matter -- I GIVE! Power To The Pismo!

Ivy

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Re: G3 Buying advice.

[michel]

I have a Wallstreet, Lombard, Pismo, and a Clamshell aswell. The one I
prefer is the fastest the Pismo 500.
Why:?
1. You can put more than 512 mb ram inside up to 1 gig , The other two are
limited up to 512. For Tiger more than 512 is really welcome.
2. You have 2 Firewire(camera connecting, iPod external FW disk and allows
target mode.) And 2 usb> not with the wallstreet(unless pcmcia)
3.Less weight than the Wallstreet.
4.Fastest CPU / and Bus
5.Airport prepared, better receiving with internal antenna.
6.If you want to connect to old old macs use ethernet instead of scusi.
7.I mounted a DVD/CDRW combo in my Pismo.
8. Lombard and Pismo have a better screen than Wallstreet and bigger than
the clamshell.
Why not:?
1. More expensive
2. No scusi or serial port.

Michel





> Dear Listers,
> 
> I'm looking at finally replacing my 190, after pondering it for a while,
> and I'm wondering which model G3 is the best. I want to run OS 9 or OS
> X, but it doesn't matter. My main issues are that I want a DVD drive and
> a good keyboard. I know it's a Pre G3 list, but I figured if anyone
> knew, y'all would.
> 
> Thanks,
> Caleb
> 



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Re: G3 Buying advice

[ben sivertsen]

Here's my 2 cents I upgraded from a 5300 to a G3 Kanga for a whopping $27 US
via the LEM swap list, and am still able to keep all the extras I had from
before (internal expansion bays and external SCSI things like CD burner,
scanner, HDD, modems, printers) and am still able to run the software
without any new purchases, add into that (unsupported) USB, and built in
ethernet and I think for the money spent you would be hard pressed to find a
better situation. Oh yeah, it runs OS 9.1 like a dream.


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Re: G3 Buying advice.

[victoria duggan]

Hi Caleb

There are a load of G3 lombards on ebay They are going for around  
£150.  Which is around $260 so that is under the $300. mark for you  
If you got a lombard then you could still use the scsi side to hook  
up the 190 for file transfer .


vicki
On 9 Nov 2005, at 03:52, Caleb Cupples wrote:


Dear Listers,

I'm looking at finally replacing my 190, after pondering it for a  
while, and I'm wondering which model G3 is the best. I want to run  
OS 9 or OS X, but it doesn't matter. My main issues are that I want  
a DVD drive and a good keyboard. I know it's a Pre G3 list, but I  
figured if anyone knew, y'all would.


Thanks,
Caleb


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G3 Buying Advice

[Caleb Cupples]

Well, I'm looking to spend under $300, so I'm a little limited on what I 
can do. As far as backwards compatibility with my 190, it's just the 
base package, no external drives or anything, so I'm not looking for 
SCSI or anything. Airport would be nice for when I have to travel, but I 
can live with just ethernet and a modem. My main issue is that I have a 
good keyboard and that there's a version of Mariner Write for it.


Hope this clears things up,
Caleb


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Re: G3 Buying advice.

[Bruce Johnson]

On Nov 9, 2005, at 12:32 PM, Malcolm Cornelius wrote:


The limited screen rez. is the only thing I can say they should have
done better on the Clamshells. I don't miss not having PC card slots,
it's got firewire and USB.

But it's got the built-in handle. ya gotta like that.


I never use it having seen too many broken ones.


I've seen lots of ones with cracked plastic covers, but no broken  
ones; there's a pretty sturdy steel core on those handles.


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Re: G3 Buying advice.

[GalBros]

In a message dated 11/9/05 2:32:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>my Pismo has 500cpu Thats 200+ on the wallstreet
>It has a combo swapped in the caddy haven't seen a wallstreet combo  
>in caddy form.
>I have a zip disc inernal for it and a vst superdisc that takes the  
>standard floppys
>  i have 1gb ram in it now and it run's 10.4.3 The wallstreet does  
>not (as far as i know)
>Airport (internal) not with wifi card or i can  use the motorola card 
>
>i have and the battery gives me over 2hrs use.
>
>All in All alot easier and lighter than the wallstreet and twice as  
>fast on everything as far i have seen
>
>I do not think that there is a contest for G3 buying If you can  
>afford a Pismo Get one!!

All true... and all of the above (500mhz Psimo with 1gb RAM, good battery, 
combo, zip, sdisk, etc.) for just over FOUR TIMES the cost of a comparitively 
equipped (but with External Combo drive) top-of-the-line Wallstreet.

Add a 500mhz G4 (GEE-FOUR!) processor, like mine, in the Wallstreet and we 
still come in below the cost of a Pismo.

...but either will do. Depends on how liquid you are.

Ivy

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Re: G3 Buying advice.

[Malcolm Cornelius]

> The limited screen rez. is the only thing I can say they should have
> done better on the Clamshells. I don't miss not having PC card slots,
> it's got firewire and USB.
> 
> But it's got the built-in handle. ya gotta like that.

I never use it having seen too many broken ones.

The lack of an internal chassis also I think leads to many more logic board
failures than would be expected - but as someone else pointed out every
machine has it's problem areas.

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Re: G3 Buying advice.

[victoria duggan]

Hi Going to but in here

my Pismo has 500cpu Thats 200+ on the wallstreet
It has a combo swapped in the caddy haven't seen a wallstreet combo  
in caddy form.
I have a zip disc inernal for it and a vst superdisc that takes the  
standard floppys
 i have 1gb ram in it now and it run's 10.4.3 The wallstreet does  
not (as far as i know)
Airport (internal) not with wifi card or i can  use the motorola card  
i have and the battery gives me over 2hrs use.


All in All alot easier and lighter than the wallstreet and twice as  
fast on everything as far i have seen


I do not think that there is a contest for G3 buying If you can  
afford a Pismo Get one!!



vicki
On 9 Nov 2005, at 17:40, Malcolm Cornelius wrote:


You did not tell us if you still need the serial and SCSI ports and
how much you are prone to spend.

The best compatibility with old stuff is guaranteed by the Kanga and
the Wallstreet and if you need the serial port and the internal
floppy drive these are the only choices. DVD, although possible, on
the WS is a nightmare, but if you opt for the Lombard you loose the
internal floppy and the serial port.


There were Superdrive floppy modules for Lombards and Pismos and USB
floppies.

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Re: G3 Buying advice.

[Krow Magnum]

On 11/9/05, Malcolm Cornelius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > You may want to consider a Clamshell 466MHz  with DVD-ROM.
> > I have a 466 Clamshell I really like and it's built pretty well. I
> > like it better than the G3 Powerbooks actually.
>
> 12in 800x600 screen, no PC card slots makes the Clam a bit limited - though
> I do like them I must admit.
>
> --
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>
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>
>
>

The limited screen rez. is the only thing I can say they should have
done better on the Clamshells. I don't miss not having PC card slots,
it's got firewire and USB.

But it's got the built-in handle. ya gotta like that.


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Re: G3 Buying advice.

[Malcolm Cornelius]

> You did not tell us if you still need the serial and SCSI ports and
> how much you are prone to spend.
> 
> The best compatibility with old stuff is guaranteed by the Kanga and
> the Wallstreet and if you need the serial port and the internal
> floppy drive these are the only choices. DVD, although possible, on
> the WS is a nightmare, but if you opt for the Lombard you loose the
> internal floppy and the serial port.

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floppies.

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Re: G3 Buying advice.

[Malcolm Cornelius]

>> We also didn't mention weight and size - the Wallstreets are thicker and
>> heavier.
> 
> Also true. But I lift weights.

Ok, I won't argue any more then ...

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Re: G3 Buying advice.

[Malcolm Cornelius]

 > You may want to consider a Clamshell 466MHz  with DVD-ROM.
> I have a 466 Clamshell I really like and it's built pretty well. I
> like it better than the G3 Powerbooks actually.

12in 800x600 screen, no PC card slots makes the Clam a bit limited - though
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Re: G3 Buying advice.

[Beniamino Cenci Goga]

You did not tell us if you still need the serial and SCSI ports and 
how much you are prone to spend.


The best compatibility with old stuff is guaranteed by the Kanga and 
the Wallstreet and if you need the serial port and the internal 
floppy drive these are the only choices. DVD, although possible, on 
the WS is a nightmare, but if you opt for the Lombard you loose the 
internal floppy and the serial port.


Ben

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Re: G3 Buying advice.

[Krow Magnum]

On 11/8/05, Caleb Cupples <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear Listers,
>
> I'm looking at finally replacing my 190, after pondering it for a while,
> and I'm wondering which model G3 is the best. I want to run OS 9 or OS
> X, but it doesn't matter. My main issues are that I want a DVD drive and
> a good keyboard. I know it's a Pre G3 list, but I figured if anyone
> knew, y'all would.
>
> Thanks,
> Caleb
>


You may want to consider a Clamshell 466MHz  with DVD-ROM.
I have a 466 Clamshell I really like and it's built pretty well. I
like it better than the G3 Powerbooks actually.
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Re: G3 Buying advice.

[GalBros]

In a message dated 11/9/05 10:06:54 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>> I don't want to start anything here,
>
>Of course not - it's a friendly list and an interchange of views is always
>good.

Ummm... yes! Always! Of Course!

>> but a Wallstreet is my preferred G3 Powerbook over a Lombard & Pismo.
>Mine, with a 500mhz G4 upgrade
>
>Not a G3 then ?
>The cost of the upgrade alone is probably more than a Pismo.

Well, it WAS a G3. It did everyting it does now as a 300mhz G3 machine; just 
not as fast (obviously).

I bought mine off Craigslist locally (AL) for $350.00. that's less than a 
Pismo, right? And with 2 PC card bays & SCSI, as you mentioned, I saw it as a 
great deal.

>> Lombards and Pismos seem (to me) to be a little buggy as far as their
>> processors. I have heard of many of them conking out from a bad ROM or
>> something; and they are way more expensive to replace.
>
>Yup, cache failures on Lombards are common, and Pismo processors can be
>damaged when pluging/unplugging them.
>
>But in the tens of G3s I've worked on I've had FAR more issues with
>Wallstreets - non-booting, battery charging and power management problems
>than on the Lombards and Pismos put together.

Good point. I guess they all have problems. But the problems I have seen in 
Wallstreets -- basically the ones you mention above -- do not tend to cost as 
much as a replacement processor, especially Lombard/Pismo processors.

>> Wallstreets, for one thing, have two PC card bays. Now for a Pismo, with
>its
>> internal airport setup, that is fine, but what about the Lombard? Go
>wireless
>> with it, and you can forget using a FW pc card. Wallstreets offer more
>> expansion options, in my opinion.
>
>What expansion would you want with the Pismo ?

Well, there's SCSI pc cards, G wifi cards, flash cards, probably more. But 
offhand, just the option to expand is valuable.

>I agree that unless you need SCSI then the Lombard isn't a preferred option.
>
>But to add FW, AP and USB to your Wallstreet you'd continually be changing
>cards and carrying cards and dongles with you - all built in on a Pismo.

Yes, I do have a bunch of accessories. I guess it all depends on what you 
need your 'book to do.

>We also didn't mention weight and size - the Wallstreets are thicker and
>heavier.

Also true. But I lift weights.
(:-D

Ivy

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Re: G3 Buying advice.

[Malcolm Cornelius]

> I don't want to start anything here,

Of course not - it's a friendly list and an interchange of views is always
good.

> but a Wallstreet is my preferred G3 Powerbook over a Lombard & Pismo. Mine,
with a 500mhz G4 upgrade

Not a G3 then ?

The cost of the upgrade alone is probably more than a Pismo.

> Lombards and Pismos seem (to me) to be a little buggy as far as their
> processors. I have heard of many of them conking out from a bad ROM or
> something; and they are way more expensive to replace.

Yup, cache failures on Lombards are common, and Pismo processors can be
damaged when pluging/unplugging them.

But in the tens of G3s I've worked on I've had FAR more issues with
Wallstreets - non-booting, battery charging and power management problems -
than on the Lombards and Pismos put together.
 
> Wallstreets, for one thing, have two PC card bays. Now for a Pismo, with its
> internal airport setup, that is fine, but what about the Lombard? Go wireless
> with it, and you can forget using a FW pc card. Wallstreets offer more
> expansion options, in my opinion.

What expansion would you want with the Pismo ?

I agree that unless you need SCSI then the Lombard isn't a preferred option.

But to add FW, AP and USB to your Wallstreet you'd continually be changing
cards and carrying cards and dongles with you - all built in on a Pismo.

We also didn't mention weight and size - the Wallstreets are thicker and
heavier.
 
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Re: G3 Buying advice.

[GalBros]

In a message dated 11/9/05 5:49:33 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>> I'm looking at finally replacing my 190, after pondering it for a while,
>> and I'm wondering which model G3 is the best. I want to run OS 9 or OS
>> X, but it doesn't matter. My main issues are that I want a DVD drive and 
>> a good keyboard. I know it's a Pre G3 list, but I figured if anyone 
>> knew, y'all would.
>
>Its definetely Pismo. Make sure you have lots of memory in it if you
>want to run OS X on it :)

I don't want to start anything here, but a Wallstreet is my preferred G3 
Powerbook over a Lombard & Pismo. Mine, with a 500mhz G4 upgrade, runs 10.2 
also, 
with about 384mb of RAM. But before it was upgraded it was a 300mhz and it 
still ran OSX.

Lombards and Pismos seem (to me) to be a little buggy as far as their 
processors. I have heard of many of them conking out from a bad ROM or 
something; and 
they are way more expensive to replace.

Wallstreets, for one thing, have two PC card bays. Now for a Pismo, with its 
internal airport setup, that is fine, but what about the Lombard? Go wireless 
with it, and you can forget using a FW pc card. Wallstreets offer more 
expansion options, in my opinion.

Finally, if you're planning to continue to use any of your 190 accessories 
(??? Expansion bay HD? ZIP module?) then perhaps the Kanga G3 is your best bet, 
as it can use Powerbook 190-5300 accessories. Of course, no built-in DVD 
capabilities with that option.

Good luck,

Ivy

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Re: G3 Buying advice.

[Manfred]

On Tue, Nov 08, 2005 at 09:52:07PM -0600, Caleb Cupples wrote:
> Dear Listers,
> 
> I'm looking at finally replacing my 190, after pondering it for a while, 
> and I'm wondering which model G3 is the best. I want to run OS 9 or OS 
> X, but it doesn't matter. My main issues are that I want a DVD drive and 
> a good keyboard. I know it's a Pre G3 list, but I figured if anyone 
> knew, y'all would.

Its definetely Pismo. Make sure you have lots of memory in it if you
want to run OS X on it :)

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Re: G3 Buying advice.

[Malcolm Cornelius]

> Dear Listers,
> 
> I'm looking at finally replacing my 190, after pondering it for a while,
> and I'm wondering which model G3 is the best. I want to run OS 9 or OS
> X, but it doesn't matter. My main issues are that I want a DVD drive and
> a good keyboard. I know it's a Pre G3 list, but I figured if anyone
> knew, y'all would.

Pismo without question.

Wallstreet DVD drives are quite rare and need a decoder card if you want to
run movies.

Lombard 400s came with DVD and a decoder on the logic board, the 333s came
with CD, so you'd need to find a decoder card and DVD drive for it.

In my experience the Pismo is the most reliable of the G3 Powerbooks, it has
Firewire, a 1GB RAM limit, internal Airport and they all came with DVD
drives.

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