Re: 1400 RAM irritation

[Terry Graham]

Chris,

Gotcha; and now that I rethink it, the entire quotation
sounds like a Zappa review!

Terry



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Re: 1400 RAM irritation

[Chris Boring]

- Original Message -
From: "Terry Graham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



> You quoted - so I presume you understand:
>
> >"We need a new music, totally insane but life affirming, rhythmically
> >subtle, yet powerful, and we need it NOW"
>
> Dear doktorboring,
> Trying to resolve what seems to be an oxymoron,
> "totally insane but rhythmically subtle"
> has fragmented my hard drive brain;
> can you help?


Well, perhaps it requires the use of certain illegal psychotropic substances
to understand Hakim Bey, but the way I always looked at it, it's possible
for insanity to be subtle.  If you listen to some pieces of music, they
appear straightforward at first, and it's only with repeated listenings that
the more mindtwisting elements come out.

If you listen to Pink Floyd, or haujobb or Nine Inch Nails, you'll know what
I mean.  ;)


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Re: 1400 RAM irritation

[Ben Smith \(QM Systems\)]

> -Original Message-
> From: PowerBooks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Chris Boring
> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 9:21 AM
> To: PowerBooks
> Subject: Re: 1400 RAM irritation
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ben Smith (QM Systems)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "PowerBooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> > Sorry I don't have a digital camera at the moment, the card was
> > branded Transcend, it started life as 8mb but had the 
> pads for 8 more
> > chips, it was a simple matter to fit the extra chips (and 
> de-coupling
> > capacitors).
> > once re-built with EDO (all I could get at the time) it 
> worked fine
> > provided I only used the apple 4Mb card, with the 8Mb card I got
> > memory errors, I re-built the card yesterday with the correct FPM
> > chips and now my 1400 has 64Mb of ram and it works fine.
> > unfortunately the Japanese site only appears to have a 
> photo of the
> > hacked card and no other details, if I can find out more 
> then I will
> > post it here.
> 
> Any idea if something like this might be possible for the 
> 3400?  (Maybe to
> bring it up to 256+?)
> 
> --Chris (DJ doktorboring)
> 
> http://www.mp3.com/c6h6
> http://listen.to/vektor7
> 
> 
> AIM: doktor242
> Yahoo/MSN: doktorboring

Good idea, anyone want to give me a 3400 to play with ???
Ben.

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Re: 1400 RAM irritation

[Terry Graham]

 You quoted - so I presume you understand:

>"We need a new music, totally insane but life affirming, rhythmically
>subtle, yet powerful, and we need it NOW"

Dear doktorboring,
Trying to resolve what seems to be an oxymoron,
"totally insane but rhythmically subtle"
has fragmented my hard drive brain;
can you help?

TT 



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Re: 1400 RAM irritation

[Chris Boring]

--Chris (DJ doktorboring)

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- Original Message -
From: "Ben Smith (QM Systems)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "PowerBooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Sorry I don't have a digital camera at the moment, the card was
> branded Transcend, it started life as 8mb but had the pads for 8 more
> chips, it was a simple matter to fit the extra chips (and de-coupling
> capacitors).
> once re-built with EDO (all I could get at the time) it worked fine
> provided I only used the apple 4Mb card, with the 8Mb card I got
> memory errors, I re-built the card yesterday with the correct FPM
> chips and now my 1400 has 64Mb of ram and it works fine.
> unfortunately the Japanese site only appears to have a photo of the
> hacked card and no other details, if I can find out more then I will
> post it here.

Any idea if something like this might be possible for the 3400?  (Maybe to
bring it up to 256+?)

--Chris (DJ doktorboring)

http://www.mp3.com/c6h6
http://listen.to/vektor7


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"We need a new music, totally insane but life affirming, rhythmically
subtle, yet powerful, and we need it NOW"
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Re: 1400 RAM irritation

[Ben Smith \(QM Systems\)]

> -Original Message-
> From: PowerBooks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
> Behalf Of Tom
> & Lisa P
> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 1:17 AM
> To: PowerBooks
> Subject: Re: 1400 RAM irritation
>
>
> >I have just got some more FPM chips today (I bought a box
> of 60 old PC
> >notebook SODIMS for £15 to rob the chips off) and I will
> re-build my
> >24Mb card and see if it works ok.
> 
> Ben, do you have pics of the ram cards you re-worked ?  I I have
> simila PCBs I would like to rework mine.
>
> I couldnt figure out what the Japanese site was saying, but if you
> figure it out, let us know.
>
> thanks,
>
> Mad Dog

Sorry I don't have a digital camera at the moment, the card was
branded Transcend, it started life as 8mb but had the pads for 8 more
chips, it was a simple matter to fit the extra chips (and de-coupling
capacitors).
once re-built with EDO (all I could get at the time) it worked fine
provided I only used the apple 4Mb card, with the 8Mb card I got
memory errors, I re-built the card yesterday with the correct FPM
chips and now my 1400 has 64Mb of ram and it works fine.
unfortunately the Japanese site only appears to have a photo of the
hacked card and no other details, if I can find out more then I will
post it here.
Ben.


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Re: 1400 RAM irritation

[Joseph C. Sis, JR.]

This site will translate your Japanese site for you, not too bad, usually
gets the point across.

http://www.e-freetranslation.com/

g'luck

joseph


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Re: 1400 RAM irritation

[Tom & Lisa P]

>
>  >
>
>I also have a similar problem with a PB1400/177 (now a 133 using a
>'hacked'166 processor).
>I have 2x 24Mb cards and if I have the 8Mb module in it I get memory
>errors (the 8Mb IS ok as it works in any other combination) but the PB
>is fine with the 4Mb, in my case I think that the problem is due to
>the fact that I re-built one of the 24Mb cards using EDO chips in 1 of
>the banks, as far as I can ascertain, the PB will try to interleave
>the RAM when you have 8+8 & 24+24 (matching banks), a 32Mb and a 16Mb
>will look like 2x 24Mb to the PB and unless they are identical chips
>then they probably will not interleave.
>I have just got some more FPM chips today (I bought a box of 60 old PC
>notebook SODIMS for £15 to rob the chips off) and I will re-build my
>24Mb card and see if it works ok.
>Also I am trying to work out the details on the Japanese site to hack
>the 8Mb card to 16Mb, if this works then I will also try to do the
>same to the motherboard and see if I can get the PB up to 80Mb!!
>Ben.

Ben, do you have pics of the ram cards you re-worked ?  I I have
simila PCBs I would like to rework mine.

I couldnt figure out what the Japanese site was saying, but if you
figure it out, let us know.

thanks,

Mad Dog

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Re: 1400 RAM irritation

[Ben Smith \(QM Systems\)]

> -Original Message-
> From: PowerBooks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Cameron Kaiser
> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 6:13 AM
> To: PowerBooks
> Subject: Re: 1400 RAM irritation
>
>
> > > > The Apple removable module is actually only 8 megs,
> with the other 8
> > > > megs soldered on the motherboard.  I have a theory
> that if you take
> > > > off the apple 8 meg card, everything else will work.
> Sometimes
> > > > having 3 RAM modules makes for a finnicky PB1400.
>
> > > And you were right, along with John McGibney and the
> others who suggested
> > > this. It now comes up with 56MB. This is a 1400cs/117
> if that makes any
> > > difference -- does this problem seem to be more common
> with older 1400s?
>
> > Im not sure if is the apple card or one of the other
> cards.  I also
> > dont know if it matters if its the older version of the
> 1400 or the
> > newer one. Sometimes having 3 modules is trouble.  Try
> adding the 4
> > meg apple card back in and see if you can get to 60 megs.
>
> This, also, worked. It would appear, then, that the problem
> was the 8MB
> "Apple module" that I installed in there -- I guess the
> /117 only will work
> with its original 4MB module?
>
> Again, many thanks.
>

I also have a similar problem with a PB1400/177 (now a 133 using a
'hacked'166 processor).
I have 2x 24Mb cards and if I have the 8Mb module in it I get memory
errors (the 8Mb IS ok as it works in any other combination) but the PB
is fine with the 4Mb, in my case I think that the problem is due to
the fact that I re-built one of the 24Mb cards using EDO chips in 1 of
the banks, as far as I can ascertain, the PB will try to interleave
the RAM when you have 8+8 & 24+24 (matching banks), a 32Mb and a 16Mb
will look like 2x 24Mb to the PB and unless they are identical chips
then they probably will not interleave.
I have just got some more FPM chips today (I bought a box of 60 old PC
notebook SODIMS for £15 to rob the chips off) and I will re-build my
24Mb card and see if it works ok.
Also I am trying to work out the details on the Japanese site to hack
the 8Mb card to 16Mb, if this works then I will also try to do the
same to the motherboard and see if I can get the PB up to 80Mb!!
Ben.


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Re: 1400 RAM irritation

[Peter S. Kim]

I just got back from vacation and read this tread.  I have a 1400 with
this problem, but it has a problem with all stacked ram modules.  I can
get all 64 megs recognized though, by going to restart from the menu.
Apparently, there was a last minute change in the memory specs from
Apple, and there is a powering issue with a 'cold' start.  I'm not
familiar with electrical engineering jargon, so that's about all I can
understand.

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Re: 1400 RAM irritation

[Tom & Lisa P]

>  > > Im not sure if is the apple card or one of the other cards.  I also
>>  > dont know if it matters if its the older version of the 1400 or the
>>  > newer one. Sometimes having 3 modules is trouble.  Try adding the 4
>>  > meg apple card back in and see if you can get to 60 megs.
>
>>  This, also, worked. It would appear, then, that the problem was the 8MB
>>  "Apple module" that I installed in there -- I guess the /117 only will work
>>  with its original 4MB module?
>
>Or should I say, the cs/117 will only work with multiple stackable RAM
>modules with its original 4MB Apple module? Mildly irritating :-)

I know one can get 64 megs in the old machines.  For example, I have 
a 32 and a 24 meg card stacked, + the 8 soldered on my mobo (older 
machine).  It would seem that having 3 cards with one of them the 
apple 8 meg card, is sometimes trouble.

Mad Dog

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Re: 1400 RAM irritation

[Tom & Lisa P]

>  > > > The Apple removable module is actually only 8 megs, with the other 8
>>  > > megs soldered on the motherboard.  I have a theory that if you take
>>  > > off the apple 8 meg card, everything else will work.  Sometimes
>>  > > having 3 RAM modules makes for a finnicky PB1400.
>
>>  > And you were right, along with John McGibney and the others who suggested
>>  > this. It now comes up with 56MB. This is a 1400cs/117 if that makes any
>>  > difference -- does this problem seem to be more common with older 1400s?
>
>>  Im not sure if is the apple card or one of the other cards.  I also
>>  dont know if it matters if its the older version of the 1400 or the
>>  newer one. Sometimes having 3 modules is trouble.  Try adding the 4
>>  meg apple card back in and see if you can get to 60 megs.
>
>This, also, worked. It would appear, then, that the problem was the 8MB
>"Apple module" that I installed in there -- I guess the /117 only will work
>with its original 4MB module?
>
>Again, many thanks.

It could be that the 8 meg modules are just touchy.  A friend who 
overclocked his bus on a 1400 found that the 8 meg module, when 
present would crash the machine.  Perhapts the 8 meg modules came in 
different specifications ?

Mad Dog

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Re: 1400 RAM irritation

[Andy265245]

In a message dated 3/29/02 7:57:25 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>I continued looking at the other RAM variation with no luck. Heck, I even
>went and checked Mr. Rutabaga Head and Mr. Java with no luck. I do have
>to
>concede that I didn't check all the variants of Mr. Rutabaga Head (Cowboy,
>Hillbilly, Rastafarian) only Continental.

Um.  I haven't been following this thread very closely, so pardon me if this 
is a dumb question.  What exactly is Mr. Rutabaga Head?  Does he own a 
Powerbook?

Cheers,
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Re: 1400 RAM irritation

[makmac]

> At 6:27 PM -0800 3/28/02, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
>> Incidentally, note to Paul Nelson: GURU (at least version 2.9) does not
>> say anything about the RAM cards needing to be matched, nor does it appear
>> in the Service Manual or User's Manual.
> 
> Paul Nelson on 3/28/02 10:22 PM wrote:
> You didn't read it very well.  If you go down the pull down menu to
> 56 MB RAM on the RAM page, it does say PRECISELY that.
> Paul
> 
Hmmm...I don't find a reference saying it has to be matched pairs (at least
not in v.2.8 of the GURU app). As a matter of fact, under 56MB it suggests:

8 MB in Apple slot
1 PB1400-24M
1 PB1400-16M
__or__
8 MB in Apple slot
1 PB1400-48M

These certainly aren't matched pairs.

I continued looking at the other RAM variation with no luck. Heck, I even
went and checked Mr. Rutabaga Head and Mr. Java with no luck. I do have to
concede that I didn't check all the variants of Mr. Rutabaga Head (Cowboy,
Hillbilly, Rastafarian) only Continental.

One note, I do like the "poink" (or "poke-in-the-eye") sound you get when
clicking on the little picture icons in the upper right corner :^)

-makmac


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Re: 1400 RAM irritation

[Cameron Kaiser]

> > Im not sure if is the apple card or one of the other cards.  I also 
> > dont know if it matters if its the older version of the 1400 or the 
> > newer one. Sometimes having 3 modules is trouble.  Try adding the 4 
> > meg apple card back in and see if you can get to 60 megs.

> This, also, worked. It would appear, then, that the problem was the 8MB
> "Apple module" that I installed in there -- I guess the /117 only will work
> with its original 4MB module?

Or should I say, the cs/117 will only work with multiple stackable RAM
modules with its original 4MB Apple module? Mildly irritating :-)

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Re: 1400 RAM irritation

[Cameron Kaiser]

> > > The Apple removable module is actually only 8 megs, with the other 8
> > > megs soldered on the motherboard.  I have a theory that if you take
> > > off the apple 8 meg card, everything else will work.  Sometimes
> > > having 3 RAM modules makes for a finnicky PB1400.

> > And you were right, along with John McGibney and the others who suggested
> > this. It now comes up with 56MB. This is a 1400cs/117 if that makes any
> > difference -- does this problem seem to be more common with older 1400s?

> Im not sure if is the apple card or one of the other cards.  I also 
> dont know if it matters if its the older version of the 1400 or the 
> newer one. Sometimes having 3 modules is trouble.  Try adding the 4 
> meg apple card back in and see if you can get to 60 megs.

This, also, worked. It would appear, then, that the problem was the 8MB
"Apple module" that I installed in there -- I guess the /117 only will work
with its original 4MB module?

Again, many thanks.

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Re: 1400 RAM irritation

[Cameron Kaiser]

> >Incidentally, note to Paul Nelson: GURU (at least version 2.9) does not
> >say anything about the RAM cards needing to be matched, nor does it appear
> >in the Service Manual or User's Manual.
> 
> You didn't read it very well.  If you go down the pull down menu to
> 56 MB RAM on the RAM page, it does say PRECISELY that.

My GURU 2.9 says, under Macintosh PowerBook 1400cs/117 (this being my
base unit), Memory tab, 56MB selected:

8MB in Apple slot
1 PB1400-24M
1 PB1400-16M
__ or __
8MB in Apple slot
1 PB1400-48M

I don't know where you're getting the pairing bit from.

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Re: 1400 RAM irritation

[Paul Nelson]

At 6:27 PM -0800 3/28/02, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
>Incidentally, note to Paul Nelson: GURU (at least version 2.9) does not
>say anything about the RAM cards needing to be matched, nor does it appear
>in the Service Manual or User's Manual.

You didn't read it very well.  If you go down the pull down menu to
56 MB RAM on the RAM page, it does say PRECISELY that.
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Re: 1400 RAM irritation

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>  > The Apple removable module is actually only 8 megs, with the other 8
>>  megs soldered on the motherboard.  I have a theory that if you take
>>  off the apple 8 meg card, everything else will work.  Sometimes
>>  having 3 RAM modules makes for a finnicky PB1400.
>
>And you were right, along with John McGibney and the others who suggested
>this. It now comes up with 56MB. This is a 1400cs/117 if that makes any
>difference -- does this problem seem to be more common with older 1400s?

Im not sure if is the apple card or one of the other cards.  I also 
dont know if it matters if its the older version of the 1400 or the 
newer one. Sometimes having 3 modules is trouble.  Try adding the 4 
meg apple card back in and see if you can get to 60 megs.

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Re: 1400 RAM irritation

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> Incidentally, note to Paul Nelson: GURU (at least version 2.9) does not
> say anything about the RAM cards needing to be matched, nor does it appear
> in the Service Manual or User's Manual.

And actually I think there's something erroneous in its entry; it says

A "third party" memory expansion slot allows piggy-backing of up to two
additional memory cards. (NOTE: A 32 MB or 48 MB module cannot be paired
with any other module.)

Since I have a 16MB on top of a 32MB, this seems definitely wrong :-)

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Re: 1400 RAM irritation

[Cameron Kaiser]

> The Apple removable module is actually only 8 megs, with the other 8 
> megs soldered on the motherboard.  I have a theory that if you take 
> off the apple 8 meg card, everything else will work.  Sometimes 
> having 3 RAM modules makes for a finnicky PB1400.

And you were right, along with John McGibney and the others who suggested
this. It now comes up with 56MB. This is a 1400cs/117 if that makes any
difference -- does this problem seem to be more common with older 1400s?

Thanks, you guys!

Incidentally, note to Paul Nelson: GURU (at least version 2.9) does not
say anything about the RAM cards needing to be matched, nor does it appear
in the Service Manual or User's Manual.

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Re: 1400 RAM irritation

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>  > >This is a 1400cs/117, upgraded to a 1400c screen, with a Sonnet G3/333 +
>>  >512MB cache, 48MB RAM (at the moment :-/), Best Data 56K modem card, and
>>  >8-bit Apple video expansion card, running 8.1.
>>
>>  What happens if you remove the apple 8 meg module?
>
>There's no Apple 8MB module in the unit, just the 16MB base module, and then
>the 16MB stackable and 32MB stackable.

The Apple removable module is actually only 8 megs, with the other 8 
megs soldered on the motherboard.  I have a theory that if you take 
off the apple 8 meg card, everything else will work.  Sometimes 
having 3 RAM modules makes for a finnicky PB1400.

>If I removed the base module, I'm still maxed at 48MB, so I don't want to
>do that either. :-)

56 MB if my theory is correct.

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Re: 1400 RAM irritation

[Cameron Kaiser]

> >Ugh. You mean they have to be *matched*? I don't see any mention of this
> >in the Service Manual or the User's Guide. If so, I just spent good money
> >on a practically worthless module then. :-/
> 
>   That's right, and the information was available in GURU
> (www.newerram.com).

And this is supposed to be obvious to us idiot end users how, exactly?

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Re: 1400 RAM irritation

[Cameron Kaiser]

> >This is a 1400cs/117, upgraded to a 1400c screen, with a Sonnet G3/333 +
> >512MB cache, 48MB RAM (at the moment :-/), Best Data 56K modem card, and
> >8-bit Apple video expansion card, running 8.1.
> 
> What happens if you remove the apple 8 meg module?

There's no Apple 8MB module in the unit, just the 16MB base module, and then
the 16MB stackable and 32MB stackable.

If I removed the base module, I'm still maxed at 48MB, so I don't want to
do that either. :-)

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Re: 1400 RAM irritation

[Tom & Lisa P]

>Elation turned to screaming this afternoon after my 1400's new 32MB RAM module
>arrived. Previously, the unit had a 16MB "base" module (upgraded from the
>original 12MB module), plus another 16MB stackable module, and all of this
>worked.
>
>To test the 32MB module, I pulled the 16MB stackable module and put in the
>32MB module alone, and this worked, too.
>
>What does NOT work is the 32MB stackable module and the 16MB stackable
>module *together* -- I get a RAM error on startup, and only 48MB of the
>ostensibly 64MB I should have is recognised. In any configuration, no
>matter which one is first on the motherboard and which one is stacked on
>top, the two modules will not coexist. Yet each will work independently.
>
>Short of something horrible such as a shot connector plate (I sure hope
>not) on the stackable modules, what else could be happening?
>
>This is a 1400cs/117, upgraded to a 1400c screen, with a Sonnet G3/333 +
>512MB cache, 48MB RAM (at the moment :-/), Best Data 56K modem card, and
>8-bit Apple video expansion card, running 8.1.

What happens if you remove the apple 8 meg module?

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Re: 1400 RAM irritation

[makmac]

Cameron Kaiser on 3/26/02 12:36 AM wrote:

>>> This is a 1400cs/117, upgraded to a 1400c screen, with a Sonnet G3/333 +
>>> 512MB cache, 48MB RAM (at the moment :-/), Best Data 56K modem card, and
>>> 8-bit Apple video expansion card, running 8.1.
> 
>> Either get two 24 MB modules or one 48 module.
> 
> Ugh. You mean they have to be *matched*? I don't see any mention of this
> in the Service Manual or the User's Guide. If so, I just spent good money
> on a practically worthless module then. :-/
> 

They don't necessarily have to be matched in size but I recall that there
can be problems when combining different manufacturers and/or speeds.
Especially with earlier modules installed in the first series of 1400s (ie.
the 117MHz machines). Later releases tended to be more compatible.

I had a PB1400/133 that worked perfectly with a combination of 32MB + 16MB
modules. The 16MB module was installed when the 1400 was new and I purchased
the 32MB when the 1400 was about 3 years old. Even at the time I bought the
32MB module I was sweating it out wondering if it would work when I got it.
I lucked out

It's likely that if you order a 16MB module from the same place it will work
with the 32MB you purchased. However if you can return the 32MB and buy two
24MBs that would be a better solution. A 48MB would be best but very
expensive.

Basically it seems to be a crap shoot as to whether old and new modules will
work together.

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Re: 1400 RAM irritation

[Paul Nelson]

At 9:36 PM -0800 3/25/02, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
>Ugh. You mean they have to be *matched*? I don't see any mention of this
>in the Service Manual or the User's Guide. If so, I just spent good money
>on a practically worthless module then. :-/

That's right, and the information was available in GURU
(www.newerram.com).
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Re: 1400 RAM irritation

[Cameron Kaiser]

> > This is a 1400cs/117, upgraded to a 1400c screen, with a Sonnet G3/333 +
> > 512MB cache, 48MB RAM (at the moment :-/), Best Data 56K modem card, and
> > 8-bit Apple video expansion card, running 8.1.

> Either get two 24 MB modules or one 48 module.

Ugh. You mean they have to be *matched*? I don't see any mention of this
in the Service Manual or the User's Guide. If so, I just spent good money
on a practically worthless module then. :-/

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Re: 1400 RAM irritation

[Paul Nelson]

>Elation turned to screaming this afternoon after my 1400's new 32MB RAM module
>arrived. Previously, the unit had a 16MB "base" module (upgraded from the
>original 12MB module), plus another 16MB stackable module, and all of this
>worked.
>
>To test the 32MB module, I pulled the 16MB stackable module and put in the
>32MB module alone, and this worked, too.
>
>What does NOT work is the 32MB stackable module and the 16MB stackable
>module *together* -- I get a RAM error on startup, and only 48MB of the
>ostensibly 64MB I should have is recognised. In any configuration, no
>matter which one is first on the motherboard and which one is stacked on
>top, the two modules will not coexist. Yet each will work independently.
>
>Short of something horrible such as a shot connector plate (I sure hope
>not) on the stackable modules, what else could be happening?
>
>This is a 1400cs/117, upgraded to a 1400c screen, with a Sonnet G3/333 +
>512MB cache, 48MB RAM (at the moment :-/), Best Data 56K modem card, and
>8-bit Apple video expansion card, running 8.1.
>

Either get two 24 MB modules or one 48 module.
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1400 RAM irritation

[Cameron Kaiser]

Elation turned to screaming this afternoon after my 1400's new 32MB RAM module
arrived. Previously, the unit had a 16MB "base" module (upgraded from the
original 12MB module), plus another 16MB stackable module, and all of this
worked.

To test the 32MB module, I pulled the 16MB stackable module and put in the
32MB module alone, and this worked, too.

What does NOT work is the 32MB stackable module and the 16MB stackable
module *together* -- I get a RAM error on startup, and only 48MB of the
ostensibly 64MB I should have is recognised. In any configuration, no
matter which one is first on the motherboard and which one is stacked on
top, the two modules will not coexist. Yet each will work independently.

Short of something horrible such as a shot connector plate (I sure hope
not) on the stackable modules, what else could be happening?

This is a 1400cs/117, upgraded to a 1400c screen, with a Sonnet G3/333 +
512MB cache, 48MB RAM (at the moment :-/), Best Data 56K modem card, and
8-bit Apple video expansion card, running 8.1.

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