Re: VST 5000 charger and PB 3400 batteries

[Calypso / Calypso Bookshop]

We also got an error message after trying it. Now we have a perfectly good
battery of no use to us because it cannot be charged and we've sold the
machine!

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Re: VST 5000 charger and PB 3400 batteries

[Dan K]

"Matthew S. Carpenter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Can a VST 5000 charger charge the Lithium Ion Batteries for the 
>PowerBook 3400?

no. Well, at least the couple I've got give a red error light when you 
stick one in any LiIon packs. Anyone have any other result?

Interestingly, there's an eBay vendor who regularly sells the VST5000 
(@~$8 IIRC) as a charger for 3400 (and 190/5300) batteries, maybe he 
knows something I don't.

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VST 5000 charger and PB 3400 batteries

[Matthew S. Carpenter]

Hi,

Can a VST 5000 charger charge the Lithium Ion Batteries for the 
PowerBook 3400?


-Matt

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EMM source for PB5xx batteries?

[Don Silver]

Hi all,
I'm looking for a source for new EMMs for my old PB540
batteries. I recently replaced the cells, but the EMMs
seem to be hopelessly corrupted.
TIA
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Re: Some questions about PB500 series batteries

[ric]

The battery no longer shows up in the control strip, and none of the
battery programs recognize it anymore. Oh well.
   -John


Before you chuck this battery, try this routine.
1- Launch IBR with the right hand slot empty.
2- When asked, insert the battery.
3- You should see "extended precharge"
4- Let it run (maybe as long as 20 min.)
5- If it doesn't work try again. After 3 or 4 times with no success, 
then give up on it.


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Re: PB540 Batteries.... is "dead" really dead?

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>
>   Intelligent Battery Recondition (IBR) is better at seeing the
>battery that is difficult.  See if it will run its' routine, and IGNORE its
>telling you to send the battery back to Apple (also ignore any message by
>EMMpathy that it can't repair the microprocessor).  The tests of both IBR
>and EMMpathy of the microprocessor of the battery are inordinately
>rigorous, and eliminate a lot of chargeable and useable batteries.  Run IBR
>a few times, and then see if EMMpathy will run.  If it does, alternate
>between it and IBR, and take a look at Smart Probe each time.  This is the
>most incredible source of information about your battery going, and will
>tell you the capacity of your battery, and whether or not it has any
>charging capacity available.
>   I've had a couple of batteries which weren't seen because of broken
>plastic across the connectors of the battery, so you mcould check this.
>Paul
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Re: Some questions about PB500 series batteries

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The battery no longer shows up in the control strip, and none of the
battery programs recognize it anymore. Oh well.
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Re: Some questions about PB500 series batteries

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Don't expect the programmes to pass the battery with flying colours, even
though the battery takes a full charge and functions well.  Go to Smart
Probe in EMMpathy and pay attention to what it tells you is the maximum
capacity of the battery.  If it tells you it's 1752 mah, (or better, as
there are batteries which have better capacity than the Apple ones) then
just keep going till it fills that capacity.
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> I did get Lind Battery. It didn't help anymore than EMMPathy did.
>
> > Get Lind Battery for the latter problem.
>
> Thanks for the answer to the BP/BS question.
>
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Re: Some questions about PB500 series batteries

[Paul F. Nelson]

Hi,
You need some of the PB500 restoration programmes, like EMMpathy
and the Mac one (whose name escapes me)  I wrote a small tretise on the
subject which I'll forward from my battery file.
BTW, who wants a copy of the 500 take apart video?  You have to be
willing to copy it twice, and pass it on to two other listers, etc for
free. That way I'll copy mine once and send it to cary on the chain. This
should be old enough to fall into the public domain.
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> First of all, I was wondering, what is the difference between
> batteries with a serial number that starts with BS and batteries with
> a serial number that starts with BP? Second of all, I'm having yet
> another problem with the battery in my PowerBook. My PowerBook refuses
> to charge the battery, so it just stays empty. When I go in to Smart
> Battery Probe it says that I'm running on Bat Pwr, even though the AC
> adapter is plugged in. What is going on? Thanks.
>
> --
> -John
>
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Re: Some questions about PB500 series batteries

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>... I was wondering, what is the difference between
>batteries with a serial number that starts with BS and batteries with
>a serial number that starts with BP? ...

Two different manufacturers of the basic battery cells.

BP may have been Panasonic (Matsushita) cells. BS may have been Sanyo 
cells.

Anyway, there were two different basic cell manufacturers.

BTI was able to knock-off the 500 battery, but it behaves a little 
differently than a gen-u-wine Apple battery.

Perhaps the firmware in the in-battery microprocessor is a little 
different than that in the Apple battery.


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Re: Some questions about PB500 series batteries

[John Perkins Jr.]

I did get Lind Battery. It didn't help anymore than EMMPathy did.

> Get Lind Battery for the latter problem.

Thanks for the answer to the BP/BS question.

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Re: Some questions about PB500 series batteries

[Jared]

Get Lind Battery for the latter problem.
BP = Panasonic Cells
BS = Sanyo Cells


First of all, I was wondering, what is the difference between
batteries with a serial number that starts with BS and batteries with
a serial number that starts with BP? Second of all, I'm having yet
another problem with the battery in my PowerBook. My PowerBook refuses
to charge the battery, so it just stays empty. When I go in to Smart
Battery Probe it says that I'm running on Bat Pwr, even though the AC
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Some questions about PB500 series batteries

[John Perkins Jr.]

First of all, I was wondering, what is the difference between
batteries with a serial number that starts with BS and batteries with
a serial number that starts with BP? Second of all, I'm having yet
another problem with the battery in my PowerBook. My PowerBook refuses
to charge the battery, so it just stays empty. When I go in to Smart
Battery Probe it says that I'm running on Bat Pwr, even though the AC
adapter is plugged in. What is going on? Thanks.

--
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Re: Can you rebuild iBook batteries?

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>I am wondering if you can rebuild them yourself, send them away to be
>rebuilt, or whether it's just smarter to buy a new one, and if so,
>where's the best source?

Self-rebuilding is difficult and potentially dangerous.

New cells for a Lombard/Pismo, for example, cost $53 (2000 mA-H), and up, 
whereas a complete brand new battery can be obtained for an additional 
$60 to $70, depending upon how hard one looks, and where.

BatterySpace.com is but one source of 18650 Li-Ion cells for 1999/2000 
PowerBooks.

Other 'books require different cells, at higher or lower prices.

In some sizes, the 18650 being but one example, there are at least three 
capacities available from the cell manufacturers, and third-party battery 
manufacturers/importers are taking advantage of this fact by offering 
extended capacity batteries at additional cost.

Watch out for cheap, low-capacity cells, which might be offered for 
slot-car and other consumer uses, and which are unsuitable for 'books.

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Can you rebuild iBook batteries?

[Tom W.]

I am wondering if you can rebuild them yourself, send them away to be
rebuilt, or whether it's just smarter to buy a new one, and if so,
where's the best source?
I am soon to receive an original iBook clamshell with dead battery.
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Re: Batteries

[Peter Schaff]

On Tuesday, June 7, 2005, at 03:54  PM, Fluxstringer wrote:

What is the bottom line difference between LION and NIMH batteries 
like in

the 5300 and 3400?



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Lithium ion batteries do not have a " memory " problem like Ni-Cads. I 
forget about Nihm except they don't seem to be rechargeable for as 
long in my experience. I think the Li-Ons are worth the extra cost in 
the long run.

--
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Just a FWIW aside:  The PowerEx folks who make a great NiMh charger for 
AA camera batteries claim that NiMh looses about 3% of their charge 
every day.  I can confirm that batteries that have been sitting around 
for 4-6 weeks are almost useless unless recharged.  I can also confirm 
the LiIon battery in my Sony camcorder does not suffer that problem.  
But LiIon batteries do seem to be fussy, potentially dangerous, and not 
supported by Apple.  Go with what Apple wants you to go with for any 
particular model.  Also NiMh batteries can be charged quite quickly.  
I've seen 20 minute chargers for AAs, though 8 hours gives you about 
10% more charge and longer battery life.  I always slow charge mine.


 - Peter



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Re: Batteries

[Fluxstringer]

And now the rest of the story.  .  .

Thanks Clark. !

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Re: Batteries

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At 5:44 PM -0400 6/8/05, Fluxstringer wrote:

At 8:55 AM -0400 6/8/05, Fluxstringer wrote:
I'm not looking for a debate. I'm just wondering why a lithium 
ion battery would not charge in a 5300.




Because Apple says so!  The prototype 5300s did have LiOn 
batteries. Then there was the the event that started the flaming 
battery rumors. I'm not going to say what happened because I 
don't know and the story is clear as mud.  But something happened 
and Apple replaced the LiOn with NiMH and redesigned it to not 
charge LiOn.


Then the 3400 and latter the G3 came out and they do have LiOn. 
They can charge and use either NiMH or LiOn.

--

___

Would those have been the ones associated with reports of fire?


Yes



Wasn;t that at a very early time in the development of Li-on cells.


Yes



Would anyone have any information as to whether a laptop battery 
should NOT be rebuilt with Li-on cells?


The biggest problem with rebuilding a LiON is cell availability. 
The are rarely available  as individual cells and finding the right 
form factor cells is going to be harder still.


You would only want to rebuild a LiON battery pack with LiON cells. 
There is a part inside the battery packs which tells the computer 
(charging circuit) what kind of battery it is.  If you were to 
rebuild a NiMH pack with LiON cells the pack would still be 
identified as NiMH and the results could be BAD (tm).

--



???

The Nimh cells I have charge at a slower/lower rate than the Lion 
cells I have  For various things around the house.
Sellers of the Lion cells say they will charge in any charger but 
sell special ones for high charge rates that recarge very fast.


I have no idea what form factor fits inside the 5300 battery pack 
But recently looked for 4/3 A batteries for my7 1400 and Li-on 
batteries that size are available.


But as you say the electronics may( or may not? ) present a problem 
in switching over.


Current limits, float / cutoff voltages and in some cases temperature 
limits are all likely different between the two.   Lithium are likely 
to have a higher maximum charge current.  Thus if you use a NiMH 
charger it will take longer.  The float / cutoff voltage is likely 
different between the two.  I don't know what they are.  But they are 
almost certainly different.  If the charger voltage is lower than the 
battery it won't charge fully.  If it's higher it will likely damage 
the battery.


The thing I've found with all rechargeable batteries is that the 
better the charger the longer they last and the more operating time 
you get from them.   Which means that using a charger meant for a 
different type of battery is nothing but trouble.




Any electrical engineers out there with suggestions?
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Re: Batteries

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At 8:55 AM -0400 6/8/05, Fluxstringer wrote:
I'm not looking for a debate. I'm just wondering why a lithium 
ion battery would not charge in a 5300.




Because Apple says so!  The prototype 5300s did have LiOn 
batteries. Then there was the the event that started the flaming 
battery rumors. I'm not going to say what happened because I don't 
know and the story is clear as mud.  But something happened and 
Apple replaced the LiOn with NiMH and redesigned it to not charge 
LiOn.


Then the 3400 and latter the G3 came out and they do have LiOn. 
They can charge and use either NiMH or LiOn.

--

___

Would those have been the ones associated with reports of fire?


Yes



Wasn;t that at a very early time in the development of Li-on cells.


Yes



Would anyone have any information as to whether a laptop battery 
should NOT be rebuilt with Li-on cells?


The biggest problem with rebuilding a LiON is cell availability. 
The are rarely available  as individual cells and finding the right 
form factor cells is going to be harder still.


You would only want to rebuild a LiON battery pack with LiON cells. 
There is a part inside the battery packs which tells the computer 
(charging circuit) what kind of battery it is.  If you were to 
rebuild a NiMH pack with LiON cells the pack would still be 
identified as NiMH and the results could be BAD (tm).

--



???

The Nimh cells I have charge at a slower/lower rate than the Lion 
cells I have  For various things around the house.
Sellers of the Lion cells say they will charge in any charger but 
sell special ones for high charge rates that recarge very fast.


I have no idea what form factor fits inside the 5300 battery pack But 
recently looked for 4/3 A batteries for my7 1400 and Li-on batteries 
that size are available.


But as you say the electronics may( or may not? ) present a problem 
in switching over.


Any electrical engineers out there with suggestions?
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Re: Batteries

[Clark Martin]

At 8:55 AM -0400 6/8/05, Fluxstringer wrote:
I'm not looking for a debate. I'm just wondering why a lithium ion 
battery would not charge in a 5300.




Because Apple says so!  The prototype 5300s did have LiOn 
batteries. Then there was the the event that started the flaming 
battery rumors. I'm not going to say what happened because I don't 
know and the story is clear as mud.  But something happened and 
Apple replaced the LiOn with NiMH and redesigned it to not charge 
LiOn.


Then the 3400 and latter the G3 came out and they do have LiOn. 
They can charge and use either NiMH or LiOn.

--

___

Would those have been the ones associated with reports of fire?


Yes



Wasn;t that at a very early time in the development of Li-on cells.


Yes



Would anyone have any information as to whether a laptop battery 
should NOT be rebuilt with Li-on cells?


The biggest problem with rebuilding a LiON is cell availability.  The 
are rarely available  as individual cells and finding the right form 
factor cells is going to be harder still.


You would only want to rebuild a LiON battery pack with LiON cells. 
There is a part inside the battery packs which tells the computer 
(charging circuit) what kind of battery it is.  If you were to 
rebuild a NiMH pack with LiON cells the pack would still be 
identified as NiMH and the results could be BAD (tm).

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Re: Batteries

[Clark Martin]

At 8:54 AM -0500 6/8/05, Wanda K. wrote:

on 6/8/05 8:22 AM, Dave Foshee at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Get the Lion. You will enjoy the no memory feature.


Thanks for the tip. Can anyone tell me the powermanager  on the 5300. Some
sort of key combonation that re-sets it.



There is no known way to reconfigure it.  Forget the LiON on the 
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Re: Batteries

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On Wednesday 08 June 2005 08:54 am, Wanda K. wrote:
> on 6/8/05 8:22 AM, Dave Foshee at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Get the Lion. You will enjoy the no memory feature.
>
> Thanks for the tip. Can anyone tell me the powermanager  on the 5300. Some
> sort of key combonation that re-sets it.
>
>
> --
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I'd just get two batteries and the LIon charger. You just have to remember to 
take the battery out and put it in the charger when it gets low. 

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> Get the Lion. You will enjoy the no memory feature.

Thanks for the tip. Can anyone tell me the powermanager  on the 5300. Some
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Get the Lion. You will enjoy the no memory feature.

Dave


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> on 6/7/05 8:04 PM, Malcolm Cornelius at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
>> I think the Li-Ons are worth the extra cost in
>>> the long run.
> 
> I was looking for really basic information, like this. I don't know about
> cost or extra cost or anything about the difference in the two kinds of
> batteries.
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Re: Batteries

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> I think the Li-Ons are worth the extra cost in
>> the long run.

I was looking for really basic information, like this. I don't know about
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Re: Batteries

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I'm not looking for a debate. I'm just wondering why a lithium ion 
battery would not charge in a 5300.




Because Apple says so!  The prototype 5300s did have LiOn batteries. 
Then there was the the event that started the flaming battery 
rumors. I'm not going to say what happened because I don't know and 
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replaced the LiOn with NiMH and redesigned it to not charge LiOn.


Then the 3400 and latter the G3 came out and they do have LiOn. 
They can charge and use either NiMH or LiOn.

--

___

Would those have been the ones associated with reports of fire?

Wasn;t that at a very early time in the development of Li-on cells.

Would anyone have any information as to whether a laptop battery 
should NOT be rebuilt with Li-on cells?


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Re: Batteries

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Wasn't there also something about LiOn batteries (at least the early ones) 
catching on fire in the 5300?


Later.Howard


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Re: Batteries

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At 9:39 PM -0400 6/7/05, Fluxstringer wrote:
 >> What is the bottom line difference between LION and NIMH 
batteries like in

 the 5300 and 3400?



LiOn have higher energy density than NiMH.  Meaning they will run a 
given laptop longer than a NiMH.






 __

 Lithium ion batteries do not have a " memory " problem like Ni-Cads.
 I forget about Nihm except they don't seem to be rechargeable for as
 long in my experience. I think the Li-Ons are worth the extra cost in
 the long run.


Except they wont charge in a 5300 ...

Ok, there will now be a debate about this  I guess
--

__

I'm not looking for a debate. I'm just wondering why a lithium ion 
battery would not charge in a 5300.




Because Apple says so!  The prototype 5300s did have LiOn batteries. 
Then there was the the event that started the flaming battery rumors. 
I'm not going to say what happened because I don't know and the story 
is clear as mud.  But something happened and Apple replaced the LiOn 
with NiMH and redesigned it to not charge LiOn.


Then the 3400 and latter the G3 came out and they do have LiOn.  They 
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Re: Batteries

[Fluxstringer]

 >> What is the bottom line difference between LION and NIMH batteries like in

 the 5300 and 3400?



 __

 Lithium ion batteries do not have a " memory " problem like Ni-Cads.
 I forget about Nihm except they don't seem to be rechargeable for as
 long in my experience. I think the Li-Ons are worth the extra cost in
 the long run.


Except they wont charge in a 5300 ...

Ok, there will now be a debate about this  I guess
--

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I'm not looking for a debate. I'm just wondering why a lithium ion 
battery would not charge in a 5300.


More information please.


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Re: Batteries

[Fluxstringer]

 >> What is the bottom line difference between LION and NIMH batteries like in

 the 5300 and 3400?



 __

 Lithium ion batteries do not have a " memory " problem like Ni-Cads.
 I forget about Nihm except they don't seem to be rechargeable for as
 long in my experience. I think the Li-Ons are worth the extra cost in
 the long run.


Except they wont charge in a 5300 ...

Ok, there will now be a debate about this  I guess
--

__

I'm not looking for a debate. I'm just wondering why a lithium ion 
battery would not charge in a 5300.



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Re: Batteries

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>> What is the bottom line difference between LION and NIMH batteries like in
>> the 5300 and 3400?
>> 
>> 
> __
> 
> Lithium ion batteries do not have a " memory " problem like Ni-Cads.
> I forget about Nihm except they don't seem to be rechargeable for as
> long in my experience. I think the Li-Ons are worth the extra cost in
> the long run.

Except they wont charge in a 5300 ...

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Re: Batteries

[Fluxstringer]

What is the bottom line difference between LION and NIMH batteries like in
the 5300 and 3400?



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Batteries

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What is the bottom line difference between LION and NIMH batteries like in
the 5300 and 3400?


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Re: 1400 batteries?

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>Where could I get cheap batteries for 1400's apart from eBay and the LEM
>swap list(whatever that is)? Also, what type of cells would you need(NiMH
>green cells) to recell batteries and could you use liIon batteries?

Wegener Media had some.

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Re: 1400 batteries?

[Rick McCutcheon]

Look here for one person's directions for rebuilding a PB1400 battery:

http://www.insysco.net.au/pb1400.html

Peace,
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> 
> Where could I get cheap batteries for 1400's apart from eBay and the LEM
> swap list(whatever that is)? Also, what type of cells would you need(NiMH
> green cells) to recell batteries and could you use liIon batteries?
> 
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Re: 1400 batteries?

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>Subject: Re: 1400 batteries?
>Date: Fri, Mar 4, 2005, 8:05 PM
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> Well you just non-optioned the best two places to get them...
>

Yeah, hate to tell ya, but I ended up selling my 1400 due to battery
prices.. Being it was about the same as buying one for my Wallstreet.


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Re: 1400 batteries?

[Daniel Palka]

Well you just non-optioned the best two places to get them...
On Mar 4, 2005, at 11:38 AM, Angus Chalmers wrote:
Where could I get cheap batteries for 1400's apart from eBay and the 
LEM
swap list(whatever that is)? Also, what type of cells would you 
need(NiMH
green cells) to recell batteries and could you use liIon batteries?

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1400 batteries?

[Angus Chalmers]

Where could I get cheap batteries for 1400's apart from eBay and the LEM
swap list(whatever that is)? Also, what type of cells would you need(NiMH
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Re: Rebuilding PB170 batteries

[martin]

I posted detailed instructions for 100-series Powerbook battery 
rebuilding on several occasions. These I'm told, are archived on The 
Pickles site, and Grijan's FTP server as well. I found a clip from 
these posts at < 
mail-archive.com/powerbooks@mail.maclaunch.com/msg09926.html >

If you have time, you could troll the archives for the original posts 
(from 2001 - 2003). Meanwhile I'll go see if I can find the complete 
set ( packaged in .sit format ), which I think I have archived.

If there is interest in this subject  ( the same techniques apply to 
any rechargeable battery packs ), I'll be happy to re-post this guide 
wherever anyone is generous enough to host it.  Anyone with a 
website/FTP/server who can post this small file?

m


Hi,
   Does anyone know of a web-site or archive that has information on
re-building the battery pack for a PowerBook 170?  I understand that they
are standard-sized NiCad's inside, and I'd like to give it a try.
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Hi,
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re-building the battery pack for a PowerBook 170?  I understand that they
are standard-sized NiCad's inside, and I'd like to give it a try.

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Re: 3400 won't restart after changing batteries

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On Sep 22, 2004, at 9:41 PM, Mark J. Pearson wrote:
On Sep 22, 2004, at 9:35 PM, Eric Strobel wrote:
Don't forget, though, that any all-but-dead battery can still show a 
fair voltage if you're not applying a load.  I still vote for this 
being the PRAM battery.

- Eric.
What's a good source for a replacement PRAM battery for the 3400?
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Don't know.  Last few I've needed, I got on eBay.
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Re: 3400 won't restart after changing batteries

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On Wednesday, September 22, 2004, at 06:41PM, Mark J. Pearson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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>What's a good source for a replacement PRAM battery for the 3400?



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Re: 3400 won't restart after changing batteries

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On Sep 22, 2004, at 9:35 PM, Eric Strobel wrote:
Don't forget, though, that any all-but-dead battery can still show a 
fair voltage if you're not applying a load.  I still vote for this 
being the PRAM battery.

- Eric.
What's a good source for a replacement PRAM battery for the 3400?
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Re: 3400 won't restart after changing batteries

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On Sep 21, 2004, at 9:55 AM, VidaVerde wrote:
Yeah, that sounds a lot like your PRAM battery is dead.  Do you have 
a voltmeter that you can use to test it?

You could also try resetting the power manager to see if that helps 
at all...

Peace,
Drew
I have had 3 units with this symptom. And I thought just the same. But 
. . .  when measured . . . .the PRAM is good! And so is the 
powermanger!

Damn the 3400 is a surly beast when it wants to be. Great machine, but 
the psu design seems a bit flaky.

Don't forget, though, that any all-but-dead battery can still show a 
fair voltage if you're not applying a load.  I still vote for this 
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Re: 3400 won't restart after changing batteries

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Yeah, that sounds a lot like your PRAM battery is dead.  Do you have 
a voltmeter that you can use to test it?

You could also try resetting the power manager to see if that helps at all...
Peace,
Drew
I have had 3 units with this symptom. And I thought just the same. 
But . . .  when measured . . . .the PRAM is good! And so is the 
powermanger!

Damn the 3400 is a surly beast when it wants to be. Great machine, 
but the psu design seems a bit flaky.

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Re: 3400 won't restart after changing batteries

[Mark J. Pearson]

...Just in case, what's a good source for the PRAM battery? Radio 
Shack? ebay? somewhere else online?

Thanks again,
Mark
On Sep 20, 2004, at 7:42 PM, Andrew Kershaw wrote:
Yeah, that sounds a lot like your PRAM battery is dead.  Do you have a 
voltmeter that you can use to test it?

You could also try resetting the power manager to see if that helps at 
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Re: 3400 won't restart after changing batteries

[Mark J. Pearson]

Thanks. I didn't know about resetting the power manager. I'll try it 
later tonight.

Mark
On Sep 20, 2004, at 7:42 PM, Andrew Kershaw wrote:
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Re: 3400 won't restart after changing batteries

[Andrew Kershaw]

Yeah, that sounds a lot like your PRAM battery is dead.  Do you have 
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3400 won't restart after changing batteries

[Mark J. Pearson]

My 3400 is a gem except for a couple of quirks: When battery one is 
getting low, I shut down, swap batteries, and attempt startup. Nothing 
happens. It doesn't seem to matter which of the two batteries I swap 
to, it won't start up. It starts up fine if I plug it in.

Secondly, after I attempt to swap batteries, some of the PRAM settings 
(date, time, etc.) reset to what must be a default.

It is a PRAM battery problem? I'm familiar with Macs (since 1989) but 
this is my first PowerBook.

TIA,
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3400c batteries /li-ion do you recondition them?

[dmxsoulja3]

I just got a 3400c and I'm wondering if you recondition these batteries like you do in 
the older 5300 series?  

Thanks Josh

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Re: Wallstreet Batteries

[ACFX44501]

New 1998 (Wallstreet) and 1999/2000 batteries are being made in China, 
apparently to the original specs.

Fry's Electronics has them in stock. Its Outpost.com site could have 
them, too.

Some direct importers have been selling them on eBay.

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Wallstreet Batteries

[BDavis]

Hi Listers...
I'm new to this group and signed up in hopes of finding info and
support on my Wallstreet. It's now about 5 years old and of course the
original battery is dead. Also the PRAM or Clock battery is dead. So no
'mobility' and no correct date.

I'm not afraid to take it apart to 'fix' the PRAM battery but at nearly
$50 each I'm thinking there's got to be a cheaper fix. 

I've opened the main battery pack and find that there are 12 Li-ion
batteries soldered together.. and could be replaced for less than $8
ea. IF I wanted to go to the trouble. 

But since I almost never use it away from AC power and with the main
battery out I'm thinking here's an empty bay/space that maybe some
other type of PRAM battery would substitute (and could also be made
much easier to get to). 

So there is the dilemma and the challenge. I'd appreciate hearing any
suggestions or comments?

Thanks...
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Re: PRAM Batteries for PB 1400

[Kenneth Vann]

New PRAM batteries can be had new for less than $20.00 each with the wiring
already made up. http://www.powerbookguy.com/1400.html

The PB 1400 takes eithor 1 or 2  PRAM batteries, depending on your model.
Remove the expansion bay cd rom/floppy and the main battery, look up into
the top of the computer and you will see eithor 1 or 2 black plastic parts,
this is the PRAM batteries. They are under these plastic covers.

A pain to change, but it can be done. I have done two. My first, I bought
the battery from a Apple dealer, $50.00+ each, my second, I bought the
batterys from powerbookguy.com.

Live and learn.

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>PRAM batteries for the PowerBook 1400 are quite costly.  Complete kits,
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Re: new Powerbook 540/520 batteries

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If by "Gadget Power" you meant "GadgetPower", they're out of business.
http://www.gadgetpower.com/
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 > On Jul 28, 2004, at 1:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Re: new Powerbook 540/520 batteries

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Gadget Power and Prime Cell  both make new or rebuild on your core batteries
Bruce Johnson wrote:
On Jul 28, 2004, at 1:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1. Where can one buy NEW batteries for the 5xx series (520/540) 
Powerbooks?
2. any price ideas??  Is it worth doing?

AFAIK, there's nowhere you can buy New 'new' batteries for the 500 
series. 'Neew' ones are old new stock, meaning they've been sitting on 
shelved for years.

However, I believe this place <http://nicdlady.com/laptop-a.htm> sells 
rebuilt batteries.

The best solution is to re-cell existing ones. The NiCad Lady, above, 
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Re: new Powerbook 540/520 batteries

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Powerbooks?
2. any price ideas??  Is it worth doing?

AFAIK, there's nowhere you can buy New 'new' batteries for the 500 
series. 'Neew' ones are old new stock, meaning they've been sitting on 
shelved for years.

However, I believe this place <http://nicdlady.com/laptop-a.htm> sells 
rebuilt batteries.

The best solution is to re-cell existing ones. The NiCad Lady, above, 
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new Powerbook 540/520 batteries

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1. Where can one buy NEW batteries for the 5xx series (520/540) Powerbooks?
2. any price ideas??  Is it worth doing?

thx

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Re: Recycling batteries

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Good info--and a lot of the drop-off places in my area are not only 
convenient, but were ones that I knew about (most cell phone stores take 
back batteries.)

One place not listed that I know takes batteries is Radio Shack--from 
mercury button batteries from watches to cell phone and computer 
batteries. 

No rechargable battery is safe to put in the trash--even the "environment 
friendly" ones should be recycled.  It's the best way to keep heavy metals 
from contaminating ground and water supplies.

Later.Howard


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Recycling batteries

[R. P. Bell]

As a Powerbook user for many years, and having gone through my share of
rechargeable batteries, I'm concerned about where to put those batteries
that are no longer of any use.  I just found a non-profit service that
provides a drop-off program through many retailers.  You might be
interested:

http://call2recycle.com/index.html

Positive point: If you're into recycling through a registered non-profit
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my trouble.  I understand that all of the nationwide Target Stores
participate in the program.  Very convenient.

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Re: Wall St. Batteries, charger, unorthodox methods

[VidaVerde]

There is one very strange thing, I have found that if I massage one of my
more recalcetrent (sp?) batteries and then even tap it lightly on a 
hard serface
(about as hard as you might tap a stuck jar lid of Mayo), the Wall St. charger
I have will then recognize the battery and usually charge it enough to run
the PowerBook about 30 Min.


Easy. the little tin straps that connect the cells are corroding and 
have a bad contact.  when you bang it, it brings them into better 
contact again. sadly it won't carry on forever.

you can saw it open and re-solder the straps (i have done this 
sucessfully on my mobile phone which had EXACTLY this symptom)

However, the downside is that SOLDERING BATTERIES IS VERY DANGEROUS 
AND THEY MAY WELL EXPLODE.

mine didn't though. be quick and minimise heating.  ButI would wear 
eye protection and be ***very*** careful if I were you.

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Wall St. Batteries, charger, unorthodox methods

[VicNaz1]

There is one very strange thing, I have found that if I massage one of my 
more recalcetrent (sp?) batteries and then even tap it lightly on a hard serface 
(about as hard as you might tap a stuck jar lid of Mayo), the Wall St. charger 
I have will then recognize the battery and usually charge it enough to run 
the PowerBook about 30 Min.

Victor
In a message dated 6/29/2004 15:43:09, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>Subject: Wallstreet G3 Battery Charger
>
>Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 12:24:36 -1000
>
>
>
>I can't get the battery charger to charge a battery. Does anyone know 
>
>what the problem might be. The Wallstreet runs when connected to the 
>
>power adaptor, but does not run with the battery. I've even bought a 
>
>new battery, but it still doesn't work.
>
>Barb

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Re: Batteries for powerbooks

[Steven Brown]

Thanks for the tip Tom, as I have several older powerbooks that I would 
like to give to kids around the neighborhood, but they have bad 
batteries.

Steve
On Friday, May 21, 2004, at 12:10 PM, Tom Lee wrote:
Batteries for the series 1XX PowerBooks are available from Gadget
Power.
Depending on your budget, time, skill, and proximity to sources of 
cheap cells, you
might consider rebuilding rather than replacing. I for one am a cheap 
SOB, and
can't bring myself to paying more for batteries than the PB itself is 
worth. The
PB170 battery consists of ordinary NiCd cells, each slightly bigger 
than AA. Crack
open the battery pack (yes, this is a pain; use an xacto knife or some 
such thing,
and be careful), and replace the cells with fresh NiCd ones, taking 
care to
preserve polarities. Reassemble, and you're good to go. I've found 
cells for under
a dollar, so that the average cost of a rebuild is around $10 or so.

As to the infamous PB5300 "flaming batteries" story, it's my 
understanding that no
lithium ion batteries were ever shipped to customers, but several were 
in the hands
of developers. It was one of them who discovered what happens when 
such a battery
is mistreated (the PB melted itself on his kitchen counter, with 
hissing roman
candle-like jets of hot gas and toxic chemicals shooting out of the 
side). The
units were immediately recalled, and the PB redesigned at the last 
minute to use
NiMH batteries instead.

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Re: Batteries for powerbooks

[Tom Lee]

>     Batteries for the series 1XX PowerBooks are available from Gadget
> Power.

Depending on your budget, time, skill, and proximity to sources of cheap cells, you
might consider rebuilding rather than replacing. I for one am a cheap SOB, and
can't bring myself to paying more for batteries than the PB itself is worth. The
PB170 battery consists of ordinary NiCd cells, each slightly bigger than AA. Crack
open the battery pack (yes, this is a pain; use an xacto knife or some such thing,
and be careful), and replace the cells with fresh NiCd ones, taking care to
preserve polarities. Reassemble, and you're good to go. I've found cells for under
a dollar, so that the average cost of a rebuild is around $10 or so.

As to the infamous PB5300 "flaming batteries" story, it's my understanding that no
lithium ion batteries were ever shipped to customers, but several were in the hands
of developers. It was one of them who discovered what happens when such a battery
is mistreated (the PB melted itself on his kitchen counter, with hissing roman
candle-like jets of hot gas and toxic chemicals shooting out of the side). The
units were immediately recalled, and the PB redesigned at the last minute to use
NiMH batteries instead.

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Re: 520c batteries

[Howard R. Katz]

One thing I learned the hard way--don't try recharging BTI 500x batteries
in a VST external charger.  I killed 2 batteries that way on different
occasions. (I don't know if it's the EMM that's dead or the battery
components themselves.  I was told later that the combo was incompatible.)

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Re: 520c batteries

[ACFX44501]

>Two of the batteries I'm trying to  get going in 520c's are BTI. Do these
>need any special treatment? Any special software or "Re-conditioning"
>program? I've tried Intelligent and EMMpathy, but no joy on the BTI's?

BTIs are different, but if they're working correctly the usual tools will 
work with them, too.


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520c batteries

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Re: NiMH batteries in a 3400c?

[KG]

I put a 3400 battery in a 5300 once and it powered the machine fine, but it
wouldn't charge it.

The 5300 battery is totally compatible with the 3400 and the Kanga, though.
It just doesn't last very long in a 3400.

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Re: NiMH batteries in a 3400c?

[COCCORP]

In a message dated 5/2/2004 9:07:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

>http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=24361 for a writeup on 
>this

Thank you, and everyone else, for the info!

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Re: NiMH batteries in a 3400c?

[lesher]

See http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=24361 for a writeup on 
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Re: NiMH batteries in a 3400c?

[vicki duggan]

On Sunday, May 2, 2004, at 12:54 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi; can you use 190/5300 NiMH batteries in a 3400c?
For that matter, can you use 3400c's Li-Ion battery in a 190/5300?
Hi i did have success running a 190cs off of a 3400 lithion battery. 
but when i upgraded it to 8.1 from 7.6 the battery refused to be seen,
however the 3400 runs fine on the 5300 and 190 batteries.
or should i re-phrase that all the ones i have owned were ok. (just so 
someone does not slam me for quoting something that will not work on 
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Re: NiMH batteries in a 3400c?

[Jacob Hunter]

You can use the 190/5300s batteries in the 3400, but not the other way 
around.
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NiMH batteries in a 3400c?

[COCCORP]

Hi; can you use 190/5300 NiMH batteries in a 3400c?

For that matter, can you use 3400c's Li-Ion battery in a 190/5300?

Thanks... Happy Sunday,

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Re: 5300 batteries?

[Jeff Hubatka]

Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 22:48:02 -0600
From: Andrew Kershaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: 5300 batteries?
Hi all,
I'm collecting some info about PowerBook 5300 batteries for my 5300
FAQ (yep, I'm still working on it!).
I know some of you have recently bought new batteries.  What have
your experiences been?  Have they lasted 2+ hours?  Where did you buy
them?
Does anyone have any 3rd party batteries (VST, BTI, etc.)?  I think
I've got a dead BTI battery around here somewhere, so I don't have
any good info on them...  How do their run-times compare to the Apple
batteries?  Do you know the mAh ratings for your 3rd party batteries?
Any info would be much appreciated!
Peace,
Drew
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1) and one of them lasts about 1:20 or so, the other two are 30-40 
minutes. I have run the recondition program about three times for each 
of them. This is in a cs, 24MB, running 8.1.
I also have a dead dead dead BTI model, came in a eBay 'Book. Is there 
a way to rebuild them? Maybe when I finally get around to the 
500-series batteries I have here too.

---
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Re: 5300 batteries?

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Just bought two Panasonic batteries for our 5300 but they are being shipped
from CA to the UK and have not arrived yet.We took a gamble as the prices
were stupidly cheap- both on ebay -both cost less than $10. Will keep ypou
posted when they get here.


Gerald

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Subject: 5300 batteries?


> Hi all,
>
> I'm collecting some info about PowerBook 5300 batteries for my 5300
> FAQ (yep, I'm still working on it!).
>
> I know some of you have recently bought new batteries.  What have
> your experiences been?  Have they lasted 2+ hours?  Where did you buy
> them?
>
> Does anyone have any 3rd party batteries (VST, BTI, etc.)?  I think
> I've got a dead BTI battery around here somewhere, so I don't have
> any good info on them...  How do their run-times compare to the Apple
> batteries?  Do you know the mAh ratings for your 3rd party batteries?
>
> Any info would be much appreciated!
> Peace,
> Drew
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5300 batteries?

[Andrew Kershaw]

Hi all,
I'm collecting some info about PowerBook 5300 batteries for my 5300 
FAQ (yep, I'm still working on it!).

I know some of you have recently bought new batteries.  What have 
your experiences been?  Have they lasted 2+ hours?  Where did you buy 
them?

Does anyone have any 3rd party batteries (VST, BTI, etc.)?  I think 
I've got a dead BTI battery around here somewhere, so I don't have 
any good info on them...  How do their run-times compare to the Apple 
batteries?  Do you know the mAh ratings for your 3rd party batteries?

Any info would be much appreciated!
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Re: Blackbird" (PB 500 batteries

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>That's how I found my BTI 1400 battery cheap (a closeout at a local Fry's).

Yup. And I bought some from a Georgia outfit, for real, real cheap.

Right now, Blackbird batteries are getting very rare. Ditto, Wallstreet 
batteries.

1400 and 190/5300 batteries are still readily available.

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Re: Blackbird" (PB 500 batteries

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> Fry.com is Outpost.com--they only list PB G3 batteries on their site 
> today. BTI PowerBook G3 Battery 1-877-OUTPOST

Fry's Electronics is a "bricks and mortar" institution, all over the west 
from California to Texas, established by Randy Fry and his brother.

Outpost.com is a bankrupt company with a former internet presence which 
Randy Fry bought at a court-ordered liquidation sale (Randy was 
simultaneously in negotiations with Egghead/Newegg.com, and when the 
Egghead/Newegg.com negotiations broke down, Randy bought Outpost.com as 
his "Plan B").

While Outpost.com may not show the BTI PB 500 batteries, some Fry's 
Electronics stores may still have these batteries.

Certainly, their Sunnyvale store has two Wallstreet batteries right now, 
but no Blackbird batteries. I was there less than five hours ago.

Perhaps the Campbell store, or one of the two dozen other "bricks and 
mortar" stores throughout the west might have them.

I have little doubt that Outpost.com may have none.

But, as I have stated, and implied, Outpost.com and Fry's Electronics are 
different institutions, with different product lines and different 
inventories.


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Re: Blackbird" (PB 500 batteries

[Cameron Kaiser]

> > > Some Fry's Electronics stores are still carrying BTI "Blackbird" (PB 500
> > > Series) batteries. Heck, they're still carrying BTI "Wallstreet" (PB 1998
> > > G3 Series) batteries as well.
> > > Prices are around $139.

> > Fry.com is Outpost.com--they only list PB G3 batteries on their site 
> > today. BTI PowerBook G3 Battery
> > 1-877-OUTPOST

You'd probably have to go into a store physically for the Blackbird batteries;
most likely they're a remainder or closeout item limited to stock on hand.
That's how I found my BTI 1400 battery cheap (a closeout at a local Fry's).

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Blackbird" (PB 500 batteries

[Donna Hood Pointer]

Fry.com is Outpost.com--they only list PB G3 batteries on their site 
today. BTI PowerBook G3 Battery
1-877-OUTPOST

On Wednesday, April 14, 2004, at 07:40 PM, PowerBooks wrote:
Some Fry's Electronics stores are still carrying BTI "Blackbird" (PB 
500
Series) batteries. Heck, they're still carrying BTI "Wallstreet" (PB 
1998
G3 Series) batteries as well.

Prices are around $139.



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Re: New Batteries for the PB 540c ??

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>But my 540 is still useful today, whereas 
>all of the PC laptops we bought in that time frame have long been 
>relegated to paperweight status.

A-men.

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Re: New Batteries for the PB 540c ??

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>I have been searching for brand new batteries for the
>PowerBook 540c, and have found many different websites, and prices ranging
>from around $88 to $139.
>
>Are these brand new batteries the ones that have been sitting on the shelf
>for many years?

Some Fry's Electronics stores are still carrying BTI "Blackbird" (PB 500 
Series) batteries. Heck, they're still carrying BTI "Wallstreet" (PB 1998 
G3 Series) batteries as well.

Prices are around $139.


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Re: New Batteries for the PB 540c ??

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 14, 2004, at 1:30 PM, MacAddictvja wrote:

Thanks for your response Bruce! I was wondering if the PowerBook List 
was up
and running or not. I have been searching for brand new batteries for 
the
PowerBook 540c, and have found many different websites, and prices 
ranging
from around $88 to $139.

Are these brand new batteries the ones that have been sitting on the 
shelf
for many years?
Yes. The 500 series was last made in what, 1995, and was the only 
series to use this style battery.

 Exactly what happens when the batteries have been sitting
for so long?
They die.

And how much time will you get from the new batteries that have
been sitting for a long time?
You pays your money, you takes your chances...I'd wager not many of 
them would hold more than an hour.

Also, I found several websites selling used PB batteries. Perhaps the 
used
ones would be a better deal? Unless of course, the used ones too have 
been
sitting around for many years!!

Used ones are just as bad or worse...the problem is that all 
rechargeable batteries have a finite life span.

The fix is replacing the cells with new ones. The hassle is the 
intelligent battery circuit that Apple saddled these batteries with.

Good idea, but typical of Apple ahead of it's time and problematic. 
It's too bad, it's really the only blemish on what was otherwise a 
stunning tour de force for Apple. First laptop with a trackpad, first 
laptop with built-in ethernet, one of the first with active matrix 
color, definitely the first with thousands of colors (albeit in an odd 
screen resolution), a full range of ports, dual hot-swappable 
batteries...(hmm can you tell it's my favorite powerbook, even though 
it's underpowered for today. But my 540 is still useful today, whereas 
all of the PC laptops we bought in that time frame have long been 
relegated to paperweight status.)

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New Batteries for the PB 540c ??

[MacAddictvja]

Thanks for your response Bruce! I was wondering if the PowerBook List was up
and running or not. I have been searching for brand new batteries for the
PowerBook 540c, and have found many different websites, and prices ranging
from around $88 to $139.

Are these brand new batteries the ones that have been sitting on the shelf
for many years? Exactly what happens when the batteries have been sitting
for so long? And how much time will you get from the new batteries that have
been sitting for a long time?

Also, I found several websites selling used PB batteries. Perhaps the used
ones would be a better deal? Unless of course, the used ones too have been
sitting around for many years!!

In the meantime, I'll keep searching for a solution. If anyone has
suggestions, please .


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Re: PowerBook Duo Batteries

[Dana Collins]

Hi Andrew,
O-r...
If Battery recondition doesn't work (if it doesn't allow you to begin, the
battery may be too weak to get started), send it to me, and I'll do a
recondition for you off my Lind 2 Supercharger - no charge (er, no fee),
just a helping hand!
Best regards,
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> Hi all,
> 
> I received a Duo 280c today.  It came with a Type 1 battery, which,
> to my understanding, should work fine with the 280c if a little
> underpowered.  Anyway, if I leave the battery in, the Duo won't boot.
> If I insert it after the 280c has booted, the battery icon in the
> menubar shows that the battery is fully charged, but then the whole
> thing shuts down without warning.
> 
> Any ideas?  I was thinking I could run the Battery Recondition
> program.  Does that work with Duo batteries?  It has been a while
> since my 230 worked last, and I've forgotten most of what I knew
> about them.  Are there any special utilities or battery tools for the
> Duo series (besides MyBattery and Battery Amnesia, anyway)?
> 
> Any tips would be welcome.
> 
> On an unrelated note, does the 280c have enough horsepower to play
> Real Media audio streams?  I'd like to do the hack to add a headphone
> jack (anyone got that link?) and then set it up to play NPR
> <http://www.npr.org> (best news programming in the US, IMHO)...
> 
> Peace,
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Re: PowerBook Duo Batteries

[Tom and Lisa P]

Hi all,

I received a Duo 280c today.  It came with a Type 1 battery, which, 
to my understanding, should work fine with the 280c if a little 
underpowered.  Anyway, if I leave the battery in, the Duo won't 
boot. If I insert it after the 280c has booted, the battery icon in 
the menubar shows that the battery is fully charged, but then the 
whole thing shuts down without warning.
That is an evil battery.  You must use Battery recondition to whip it 
into shape.  Odds are, the first time you try it, the machine will 
crash and die.  Keep trying to recondition the battery (at least 3-4 
times).  If that doesnt work, about the only hope is to use a Lind 
Supercharger to try and recondition it, but I dont know if anyone has 
had sucess with Type 1 batts and the supercharger (Type 3 is the 
best).

Worst case, you can crack the battery open and replace the cells.

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PowerBook Duo Batteries

[Andrew Kershaw]

Hi all,

I received a Duo 280c today.  It came with a Type 1 battery, which, 
to my understanding, should work fine with the 280c if a little 
underpowered.  Anyway, if I leave the battery in, the Duo won't boot. 
If I insert it after the 280c has booted, the battery icon in the 
menubar shows that the battery is fully charged, but then the whole 
thing shuts down without warning.

Any ideas?  I was thinking I could run the Battery Recondition 
program.  Does that work with Duo batteries?  It has been a while 
since my 230 worked last, and I've forgotten most of what I knew 
about them.  Are there any special utilities or battery tools for the 
Duo series (besides MyBattery and Battery Amnesia, anyway)?

Any tips would be welcome.

On an unrelated note, does the 280c have enough horsepower to play 
Real Media audio streams?  I'd like to do the hack to add a headphone 
jack (anyone got that link?) and then set it up to play NPR 
<http://www.npr.org> (best news programming in the US, IMHO)...

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Blackbird Batteries

[Mattox, Thoma]

Hello all:
I have three batteries for my PB 540c.  Due to a remodel, at my house, the
computer sat unplugged for nearly 6 months.  I recently started using this
again, and all three batteries have been drained.  I have tried numerous
things to resurrect them (the multiple insert and run of Intelligent battery
recond and the VST utility programs).  I tried to run the Lind Battery
program but couldn't (I have a PPC upgraded machine).  Is there anyone
willing to try to get these to work, you can keep one of the batteries for
your trouble (I will cover shipping)?  I was assuming that one of the
rechargers might have better luck than me...

Ideas would be appreciated.


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5300 Batteries, ethernet

[Jeff Hubatka]

Is there a way to bring back a 5300 battery to life? I have a BTI model 
that doesn't show up in the control strip at all, and Battery 
Recondition doesn't see it either.
Along the same lines, should BR be run more than once per battery? When 
I ran it on the others, they showed 2:30 of life. I was in another part 
of the room, but at around 2:10 (only seemed like five minutes later) 
it gave the low power warning and dimmed the screen. By the time I 
moved six feet to get the AC plugged in, I had the immediate sleep 
warning.

Second question: I have the Focus MV-16EN card installed in a cs with 
the 1.04 software, and it seems to be recognized - but going to the 
chooser freezes the computer. If I open the TCP/IP control panel first, 
I can't close it after making the changes to Ethernet Adapter 1. The 
AppleTalk CP unexpectedly quits if I try that one first.

I have successfully used a WaveLAN Gold on this one though in 7.5.5, 
8.1, and 8.6.

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VST 3400 Charger with Kanga Batteries?

[Andrew]

Will the VST SCH3400 Battery Charger work without problems with the Original
G3, aka Kanga, batteries?  VST has a great deal on the rechargers.
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rebuilding PB500 batteries (Larry Jackson)

[Grizzlygiant]

Sorry folks:

I am trying to get a message to Larry Jackson, but my email is
apparently being blocked by a "SpamBlocker" on Earthlink's server.

Larry, could you please put my email address on your "allowed email"
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Re: Suggestions for Powerbook 1400 internal batteries

[Bigbikerbo]

This is strange to me, that so many folks are trying to rebuild their 
batteries. I had a 1400, and as I noted here before, you can buy a NEW 1400series 
battery from Wegenermedia.com for $45 ea-- I ordered two from them about a month 
ago- I think total was around $110 delivered for two main batteries, and I got 
the PRAM battery as well with them--it was around $10 as I recall..

I researched the rebuild route on the battery, and the cheapest i could find 
the individual cells put me at just under $50 for parts alone.  I got the PRAM 
battery as well, as I wasn't sure about it--my date & time seem to be holding 
fine, but occasionally the machine wouldn't boot.. Of course you can't for 
SURE say that's the PRAM, but when I got the new battery and new PRAM battery 
in, she's running steady as can be!

I just thought it's a LOT less expensive to buy than build, not even 
considering the time necessary to do it right.  I found that I could get the cells for 
PRAM batteries, but it was $7.50/cell + shipping (newark.com), and then i had 
do the soldering & test it all, and if I screwed up anything, newark wasn't 
going to give me my money back.  

Anyway, just seems to me the intelligent thing to do, and I was quite happy 
with the results...

All the best,

Tom


In a message dated 11/13/03 12:58:48 AM, you wrote:

>Ruffin Bailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Saw that the Powerbook Guy has 'em for $16, which sounds like an decent 
>>price, but thought I'd ask the list before shelling out.  *Almost* looks 
>>like I could run down to Radio Shack and buy two plain jane (rechargable) 
>>batteries and use the tape and wires from the one I removed to make a new 
>>one...
>Those cells aren't available at any RatShack of which I'm aware. Common 
>misunderstanding 'round these here parts, you can't use just any ol' cell 
>what looks like the originals. You gotta use the original Vanadium 
>Pentoxide Lithium type cells.
>
>digikey gets ~$7 each for tabbed VL2330 cells (two needed for one PRAM 
>battery), 10 for $66, so the $16 for a complete pram battery looks to be 
>the best bet. Assuming those are fresh batteries that is . . .
>
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Re: Suggestions for Powerbook 1400 internal batteries

[Dan K]

Ruffin Bailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Saw that the Powerbook Guy has 'em for $16, which sounds like an decent 
>price, but thought I'd ask the list before shelling out.  *Almost* looks 
>like I could run down to Radio Shack and buy two plain jane (rechargable) 
>batteries and use the tape and wires from the one I removed to make a new 
>one...
Those cells aren't available at any RatShack of which I'm aware. Common 
misunderstanding 'round these here parts, you can't use just any ol' cell 
what looks like the originals. You gotta use the original Vanadium 
Pentoxide Lithium type cells.

digikey gets ~$7 each for tabbed VL2330 cells (two needed for one PRAM 
battery), 10 for $66, so the $16 for a complete pram battery looks to be 
the best bet. Assuming those are fresh batteries that is . . .

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Re: rebuilding 500 series batteries

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"Howard R. Katz" wrote:
> 
> I'm not getting much response out of Ben--so how much did you say you'd
> charge to rebuild some batteries?  :)
> 
> Later.Howard

Hello Howard:

Please reply offlist (to me, if you meant to communicate with me) as
this subject is absolutely forbidden onlist.

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Suggestions for Powerbook 1400 internal batteries

[Ruffin Bailey]

Saw that the Powerbook Guy has 'em for $16, which sounds like an decent price, but 
thought I'd ask the list before shelling out.  *Almost* looks like I could run down to 
Radio Shack and buy two plain jane (rechargable) batteries and use the tape and wires 
from the one I removed to make a new one, but figured at the price of an oil change, I 
might as well buy the "new" ones from the 'Guy.

Thanks,

Ruffin Bailey

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Re: rebuilding 500 series batteries

[Howard R. Katz]

Oops.  Someone have that broom handy?  :)

Sorry, Ben--didn't mean anything other than I still don't know what/where
cell types are necessary.  :)

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Re: rebuilding 500 series batteries

[Howard R. Katz]

I'm not getting much response out of Ben--so how much did you say you'd
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Re: rebuilding 500 series batteries

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J Sand wrote:
> 
> Does this battery rebuild work on 5300 also?

Hello J Sand:

At this time, I know that this rebuild will work on any battery pack
with NiMH battery cells.  The 5300 has NiMH cells.  So far, I am not
sure of whether I can find the proper lithium cells, so PowerBooks
_after_ the 5300 & 190 are _so far_ out of my range.

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Re: rebuilding 500 series batteries

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Re: rebuilding 500 series batteries

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nathan wrote:
> 
> on 10/29/03 6:44 PM, Howard R. Katz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > Is anyone on the list who's proficient at rebuilding 500 series batteries
> > interested in tackling this for other folk, for a fee?  I've got maybe 3
> > batteries I'd like to get into working order but I have all thumbs when it
> > comes to doing this sort of work.  I've asked offlist, but I'm not sure if
> > the emails went thru.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Later.Howard
> >
> > 


Hello Howard, Nathan and (possibly) others:

I have been doing this (rebuilding and replacing the cells) for my own
PB 5X0s and Duos for the last several months and have learned a few things.

I would like to try rebuilding your batteries for you, but I before you
reply to this (off list, please), there are a couple of things you
should try to _truly_ recondition your batteries.

1.  Get the battery utilities Battery Amnesia 1.5.2 by Jeremy Kezer (
<http://www.kezer.net/shareware.html> ) and EMMpathy 2.0 or 2.1 by VST
and Intelligent Battery Recondition (IBR) (for Intelligent batteries, PB
5X0s) by Apple.  If you can't find any of these let me know and I will
send them to you.

2.  Start up the PB on your AC power supply and start up IBR _without_
the battery inserted.  Then insert your battery.  If IBR doesn't like
your battery, shut it down, take your battery out and restart IBR.  Do
this up to 10 times and allow the program to charge your battery each
time.  You should be able to get enough charge during this process to
allow the battery memory to be read.  Then let the program continue
processing your battery.  You can also use a stock battery charger of
about 9V and 150 millamps or more up to 1 amp to manually charge the
battery (You will need to devise an attachment method, but I can help
you on that).  Once you have the battery charged, you need to drain the
battery using Battery Amnesia and fully charge it back up about 5 times
or until you see no further improvement in battery life.

If the above works, it will need to be repeated about once a month
(about 2-3 charge and discharge cycles) to keep the batteries at full capacity.

However, even if this does work, (so far, about 50% of the time for me)
old batteries will _usually_, not always, lose from 5 to 50% of their
charge each day regardless of whether they are in the PowerBook or not. 
A recelled battery will lose about 3-15% _per week_.

Please let me know what you would like to do.

Sincerely yours, Grizzlygiant

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Re: rebuilding 500 series batteries

[nathan]

on 10/29/03 6:44 PM, Howard R. Katz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Is anyone on the list who's proficient at rebuilding 500 series batteries
> interested in tackling this for other folk, for a fee?  I've got maybe 3
> batteries I'd like to get into working order but I have all thumbs when it
> comes to doing this sort of work.  I've asked offlist, but I'm not sure if
> the emails went thru.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Later.Howard
> 
> 
> Computer  n.   A pocket calculator with a glandular problem.
 

 I'll go in on this one two.. I have two batteries in my PPC Upgraded
520c(540c mobo) that I would like back up to par.


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