Re: Best of two PB1400s

[Andrew Noakes]

When I investigated further I found that there's a small permanent 
magnet under the speaker grille in the lower half of the case - this 
activates the reed switch when the screen is folded shut,  putting the 
Powerbook to sleep.

On Wednesday, October 13, 2004, at 11:02 pm, David Lesher wrote:
Likely blanks the screen when you close the laptop.

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Re: Best of two PB1400s

[Ken]

My Reply follows quote. On 13/10/2004 15:02 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:  

>>Just out of interest I opened up the case of that dead screen and 
>>I've found that there's a tiny reed switch under the LCD panel 
>>(behind the edge of the case, just about where the Apple logo is) 
>>and it's broken - literally snapped in two. Can anyone tell me what 
>>this reed switch does and whether this could be what's stopping the 
>>display from working? When the machine starts up the display gives a 
>>little flicker but then stays dark.
>
>Likely blanks the screen when you close the laptop.

Well, the similar switch on the Wallstreet puts the machine to
sleep when you close the "lid."

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Re: Best of two PB1400s

[David Lesher]

Just out of interest I opened up the case of that dead screen and 
I've found that there's a tiny reed switch under the LCD panel 
(behind the edge of the case, just about where the Apple logo is) 
and it's broken - literally snapped in two. Can anyone tell me what 
this reed switch does and whether this could be what's stopping the 
display from working? When the machine starts up the display gives a 
little flicker but then stays dark.
Likely blanks the screen when you close the laptop.
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Re: Best of two PB1400s

[Andrew Noakes]

Resetting the PRAM was the solution. The Control Panel you're thinking 
of is Universal Access, but it's not present. The result is that both 
LCDs are fine, but the cs motherboard has some sort of problem which 
prevents it operating the screen correctly.

Thanks to everyone who helped!
On Tuesday, September 14, 2004, at 04:53 am, Dan K wrote:
All 1400 MLBs support either screen.
Andrew Noakes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
OK, I've tried both screens on both machines:
c screen + c base = works
c screen + cs base = dark screen (faint image but no backlight)
cs screen + cs base = completely dead screen
cs screen + c base = negative image - odd colours, black and white 
reversed
Odd that last one . . . tried zapping the pram and resetting the power
manager after installing the screen? How about deleting the "Display
Prefs"? WHat happens when you change colors, like from thousands to 
256?

Also, check for the presence of . . . geez, I forget now what CP does 
it,
inverts everything. Some sort of Easy Access or like that, to make the
screen more readable for those with vision disabilities (or whatever 
it's
called nowadays by the PolitCorrect.)

Oh, and how about maybe cs base and screen both have problems?
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Re: Best of two PB1400s

[Dan K]

All 1400 MLBs support either screen.

Andrew Noakes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>OK, I've tried both screens on both machines:
>c screen + c base = works
>c screen + cs base = dark screen (faint image but no backlight)
>cs screen + cs base = completely dead screen
>cs screen + c base = negative image - odd colours, black and white reversed
Odd that last one . . . tried zapping the pram and resetting the power 
manager after installing the screen? How about deleting the "Display 
Prefs"? WHat happens when you change colors, like from thousands to 256?

Also, check for the presence of . . . geez, I forget now what CP does it, 
inverts everything. Some sort of Easy Access or like that, to make the 
screen more readable for those with vision disabilities (or whatever it's 
called nowadays by the PolitCorrect.)

Oh, and how about maybe cs base and screen both have problems?

dan k

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Re: Best of two PB1400s

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In a message dated 9/12/04 5:47:33 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>As both LCDs work with the 1400c, that suggests the problem with my 
>dead 1400cs is not the screen but somewhere on the motherboard. 
>Anyone know if this is fixable?

Fixable? Yes. But it may be more cost efficient to get another 166mhz 
laptop/motherboard from Ebay or the Swap List...

>If not I'll swap the memory board and (bigger) hard drive to the 
>working 1400c. I tried to remove the hard drive earlier, but after 
>taking out the two obvious screws it still doesn't want to come out. 
>Is there anything else I need to undo first?

The ribbon HD cable connects the HD to the mobo on the left side of the HD. 
It is tucked in under the plastic border of the bay. When you pull the HD up, 
on the left you'll see the orange ribbon. Try to CAREFULLY work the ribbon 
downward, out from the plastic it is tucked into. After that, carefully remove the 
connector from the HDs pins.

While you're at it, you might as well go on a fool's errand(!) and check to 
see if the 117mhz unit's mobo can in fact handle a 166mhz processor. Some 
117/133mhz mobos were alledged to be able to...

Looking under the heatsink, in the RAM/processor bay, look at the two chips 
on the mobo between the processor connectors, and the RAM connectors. If the 
chips have "203 LOW" and "X204 HIGH" then it cannot handle a 166mhz 
processor.

But if the numbers above are in the 300's instead of the 200's, then you can 
use the 166mhz processor with the C's motherboard.

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Re: Best of two PB1400s

[Andrew Noakes]

Ha! PRAM reset was what I wasn't doing. If I do Command-Option-P-R 
after swapping screens I can now get the 1400c base (known to be 
good) working with the 1400cs screen (previously believed dead). I'm 
using it now - and just for the record, for my money the Active 
Matrix 1400c screen is much better, with more consistent colours and 
faster response (less ghosting) than the 1400cs Passive Matrix screen.

I've refitted the 1400c screen (known to work) to the 1400cs base 
(still with me?) and done a PRAM reset, but as before I get just a 
faint image with no backlight. In fact, the backlight appears to 
light in the top right corner during startup, then goes out. No 
amount of brightness, contrast or monitor control panel setting 
changes make it any better.

As both LCDs work with the 1400c, that suggests the problem with my 
dead 1400cs is not the screen but somewhere on the motherboard. 
Anyone know if this is fixable?

If not I'll swap the memory board and (bigger) hard drive to the 
working 1400c. I tried to remove the hard drive earlier, but after 
taking out the two obvious screws it still doesn't want to come out. 
Is there anything else I need to undo first?

Thanks for all your very helpful suggestions thus far, and in advance 
for any further pearls of wisdom!

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Re: Best of two PB1400s

[COCCORP]

In a message dated 9/12/04 2:15:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>c screen + c base = works
>c screen + cs base = dark screen (faint image but no backlight)
>cs screen + cs base = completely dead screen
>cs screen + c base = negative image - odd colours, black and white reversed

Okay, I took logic at one time in my 7+ years(!) of undergrad...

All of the above tells me, barring some control adjustments/PRAM resets, that 
something is likely wrong with the cs's mobo.. 

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Re: Best of two PB1400s

[COCCORP]

In a message dated 9/12/04 9:54:54 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>I have a working PB1400c/117 and a PB1400cs/166 with a dead screen. 
>Would it be easier to swap the working screen onto the 166 machine, or
>install the 166 internals into the 1400c? Or is neither really worth 
>the aggro?

Joining this discussion late, but if you decide to switch the internals, 
remember that the 117's mobo is different from the 166's mobo. The 1400c's mobo 
cannot use the 166mhz processor.

Anyway, I just finished switching out a 1400c and a cs's mobo & screen. My 
1400c/400 had a 166mhz mobo, and I needed it to use with a 166mhz processor for 
a 1400cs/166 I built for a relative. So I gutted my 1400c/400 and removed the 
screen, installed all of it on a spare 117/133 mobo, then built a 1400cs/166 
on the removed 166 mobo. (If you can follow all of that...)

Did you try zapping the PRAM or setting the monitor settings? When I swtiched 
the c screen (& guts) on the old 1400cs mobo I had, I did notice that the 
colors were set to 256; perhaps adjusting the settings will help?

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Re: Best of two PB1400s

[Andrew Noakes]

Yes, I've been swapping the complete screen including the two wiring 
looms and plugs - that seems to be the easiest way to swap them over.

On Sunday, September 12, 2004, at 08:05 pm, Ben McGann wrote:
Are you switching the display cable as well as the display? The active 
display and the passive display need different cables.

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Re: Best of two PB1400s

[Ben McGann]

Are you switching the display cable as well as the display? The active  
display and the passive display need different cables.

On Sep 12, 2004, at 2:15 PM, Andrew Noakes wrote:
OK, I've tried both screens on both machines:
c screen + c base = works
c screen + cs base = dark screen (faint image but no backlight)
cs screen + cs base = completely dead screen
cs screen + c base = negative image - odd colours, black and white  
reversed

In summary, the known good screen and known good machine put together  
work perfectly, which suggests I'm not doing anything too wrong when  
I'm installing the screens. Any other combination fails to works  
correctly.

So are all these screens and machines compatible? Is there any need  
and/or any way to reset the machine's display preferences for the new  
screen? I've tried trashing the Display Preferences file from the  
System Folder but it makes no difference. Any ideas?

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Re: Best of two PB1400s

[Andrew Noakes]

OK, I've tried both screens on both machines:
c screen + c base = works
c screen + cs base = dark screen (faint image but no backlight)
cs screen + cs base = completely dead screen
cs screen + c base = negative image - odd colours, black and white reversed
In summary, the known good screen and known good machine put together 
work perfectly, which suggests I'm not doing anything too wrong when 
I'm installing the screens. Any other combination fails to works 
correctly.

So are all these screens and machines compatible? Is there any need 
and/or any way to reset the machine's display preferences for the new 
screen? I've tried trashing the Display Preferences file from the 
System Folder but it makes no difference. Any ideas?

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Re: Best of two PB1400s

[Richard Adams]

From my one try at breaking one down, I'd say it's pretty easy to swap the 
screens. Just be careful with the two plugs that go into the sockets on the 
motherboard. There's not much room to get your fingers down there to push 
'em in, and on the one I tried it on, they're pretty brittle and easy to 
break.

HTH,
Richard

From: Andrew Noakes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: "PowerBooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Best of two PB1400s
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 14:54:42 +0100
I have a working PB1400c/117 and a PB1400cs/166 with a dead screen. Would 
it be easier to swap the working screen onto the 166 machine, or install 
the 166 internals into the 1400c? Or is neither really worth the aggro?

All views gratefully received!
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Re: Best of two PB1400s

[Tom and Lisa P]

I fitted the 1400c screen to the 1400cs, but on start-up the screen 
is dark as though the backlight isn't working. Refitting that same 
screen to the 1400c, it works perfectly. What am I doing wrong?
Make sure you have the cable heads planted correctly in the sockets. 
The screens are 100% interchangable, so it shouldnt be a screen 
problem.

It could be that the original screen was fine, but the motherboard 
had the problem.

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Re: Best of two PB1400s

[Andrew Noakes]

I fitted the 1400c screen to the 1400cs, but on start-up the screen 
is dark as though the backlight isn't working. Refitting that same 
screen to the 1400c, it works perfectly. What am I doing wrong?

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Re: Best of two PB1400s

[Tom and Lisa P]

I've pulled the dead screen from the 1400cs, with the intention of 
swapping it for the working 1400c screen.

Just out of interest I opened up the case of that dead screen and 
I've found that there's a tiny reed switch under the LCD panel 
(behind the edge of the case, just about where the Apple logo is) 
and it's broken - literally snapped in two. Can anyone tell me what 
this reed switch does and whether this could be what's stopping the 
display from working? When the machine starts up the display gives a 
little flicker but then stays dark.
That might be the sleep sensor.  When triggered, it should put the 
computer to sleep.

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Re: Best of two PB1400s

[Andrew Noakes]

I've pulled the dead screen from the 1400cs, with the intention of 
swapping it for the working 1400c screen.

Just out of interest I opened up the case of that dead screen and 
I've found that there's a tiny reed switch under the LCD panel 
(behind the edge of the case, just about where the Apple logo is) and 
it's broken - literally snapped in two. Can anyone tell me what this 
reed switch does and whether this could be what's stopping the 
display from working? When the machine starts up the display gives a 
little flicker but then stays dark.

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Re: Best of two PB1400s

[nathan]

 Having torn apart my fair share of 1400's the screen swap would be quick
and easy.. Just pop the end caps off each side of the screen. Remove the
screws. Pop the keyboard, carefully **Very Carefully** rock the screen
connection and transplant it over... Simple as that...

 -HtH
-nathan

On 9/12/04 4:54 PM, "Andrew Noakes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have a working PB1400c/117 and a PB1400cs/166 with a dead screen.
> Would it be easier to swap the working screen onto the 166 machine, or
> install the 166 internals into the 1400c? Or is neither really worth
> the aggro?
> 
> All views gratefully received!
> 


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Re: Best of two PB1400s

[Tom and Lisa P]

I have a working PB1400c/117 and a PB1400cs/166 with a dead screen. 
Would it be easier to swap the working screen onto the 166 machine, 
or install the 166 internals into the 1400c? Or is neither really 
worth the aggro?

All views gratefully received!
Swapping the screen is much less work.
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Best of two PB1400s

[Andrew Noakes]

I have a working PB1400c/117 and a PB1400cs/166 with a dead screen. 
Would it be easier to swap the working screen onto the 166 machine, or 
install the 166 internals into the 1400c? Or is neither really worth 
the aggro?

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