RE: Microsoft reveals features of Windows 7

[Michael Madigan]

How about a new os that will run on a 3yo computer?

* 
 


--- On Thu, 10/30/08, geoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: geoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: Microsoft reveals features of Windows 7
> To: "ProFox Email List" 
> Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 1:44 AM
> If windows 7 is actually faster using less ram then Im
> already sold. 
> I guess Im just sick of each new version of windows being
> slower and 
> using more resources than the predecessor. Id just like to
> see a new 
> version where EVERYTHING was better and not a tradeoff that
> leads to 
> it being AT BEST, the same.
> 
> At 03:24 PM 30/10/2008, you wrote:
> >Geoff,
> >
> >It has been reported that Windows 7 addresses your
> concerns for 
> >underpowered and low memory
> >configurations. The demo was done on a 1GHz 1GB RAM
> machine. The OS 
> >was taking 512MBs of RAM.
> >Considering anyone who is serious about liking Vista
> recommends 
> >twice these numbers to get average
> >performance today, I think Microsoft is headed in the
> correct 
> >direction for this "feature".
> >
> >Cracks me up how serious the discussion is for
> something that has 
> >not even reached beta yet. Guess
> >the buzz is high for this product already (good or
> bad).
> >
> >Rick
> >White Light Computing, Inc.
> >
> >www.whitelightcomputing.com
> >www.swfox.net
> >www.rickschummer.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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VFP9 report behaviour

[geoff]

I must admit to being less than impressed with the new vfp9 report 
system. When VFP9 was released this was touted as being fantastic and 
incredible and the greatest thing since sliced bread. The feature set 
underwhelmed me at the time and now that I have tried to implement it 
in an existing application with a large number of reports i simply 
hate it. First I just set report behaviour to 90 and let it go. of 
course at the client site there was no support for the preview or 
print engine. I mistakenly thought the build would include such 
obvious essentials but no. I finally found what needed to be included 
(no thanks to the documentation and thanks to a third party book). 
now of course, the formatting on many reports is wrong with 
previously correctly sized fields no longer able to fit correctly. 
Then there is my Customer Statements reports which actually go into 
an endless loop. Im so thrilled...

There a few handy features in the new report write. Its a pity it is 
such junk for backward compatibility.

Geoff




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Re: [NF] No digital TV signal?

[Pete Theisen]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Analog signals that come in weak will be seen as fussy, or not at all. 
> Digital signals that come in weak will be able to be readjusted to look 100 
> percent perfect when initially sent out because of how digital signals are 
> broadcasted / made. I am studying it in networking 101 right now. With 
> digital, the signal is either on (1) or off (0)n therefore when the signal is 
> recieved, if there is any signal measuring above (zero) then it is viewed as 
> a on (1).
> 
> If you want me to get into the science behind the digital signals, let me 
> know and i will go more in depth.
> 
> You don't need a digital antenna.
> 
> The website below answered all of my questions;  especially, since my 
> signals come from three different compass points.
> 
> To get all of the compass points without having to turn the indoor 
> antenna, I got a GE Amplified Quantum Antenna #24775.
> 
>  From Froogle:
> 
> http://www.google.com/products?q=Quantum+Antenna+%2324775&btnG=Search+Products&scoring=p
> 
> It has three panels so I was able to capture signals from three 
> compass points up to 26 miles from me.
> 
> My suggestion:  try your current antenna first.
> 
> Analog drops dead at midnight on February 17, 2009.  All full-power 
> television stations in the United States will stop broadcasting in 
> analog and switch to 100% digital broadcasting.
> 
> At 10:42 PM 10/29/2008, you wrote:
>> Check out this website:

>> http://www.antennaweb.org
>>
>> Enter your address (you don't need to enter your name) and it will tell
>> you where the closest broadcasting stations are.
>>
>> I helped my neighbor hook up a large antenna inside his attic (HOA won't
>> let us put one on our roof) and we did some tests.  We then hooked up a
>> signal booster very close to the antenna (within 5') and re-tested.  The
>> improvement was remarkable.  These boosters need some power, but he had
>> an outlet in his attic that also ran his furnace.
>>
>> The booster would not work as well if placed closer to his "digital to
>> analog converter" box.  Having the booster closer to the antenna is key.

Hi Guys!

Thanks for all the responses. The antenna I am using is an amplified 
rabbit ear affair like this one (same model, not my photo), this is 
maybe 10 years old.

http://madison.craigslist.org/ele/876809215.html

The ring turns and that knob in front of the ring also turns 360 but 
there seems to be no precise index, just a line on the knob and 12 lines 
on the case for maybe 60 clicks. It worked a few months ago on a small 
portable in the kitchen but never in the living room where I would like 
to use it. I have a Sperry SP-5A meter but I don't know if that would 
tell me anything or what I should measure if it would.

Of course, if there is no signal to receive that would explain it. I 
can't determine if any of our local stations are broadcasting digital or 
not. As it is, I have been getting all the news I get from the horrible 
local papers and on the web.

On the antenna web thing I put in the zip code and they come back with a 
screen that they want your whole address. If you do put in the address 
and uncheck the box for sending you ads they put you in a loop that 
doesn't tell you anything so who knows? I haven't tried clearing my 
private data and rebooting to get out of the loop but it seems that this 
would be the only way.

That three panel GE antenna looks interesting. Haven't seen any of those 
in the local stores though, so perhaps they don't work around here. I am 
so close to downtown that there is a lot of ghosting and snow on analog.

The roof over my unit hosts several huge ac units which I am sure do not 
help. The insulation on the walls and ceiling has a lot of aluminum foil 
on it which may also block the signal, not that there is much signal anyway.

Everybody around here uses cable but that is about $70 to $150 a month 
and I don't have that kind of money to spare from my slim Social 
Security check. The people who have cable pay for the cable and still 
get all the ads, how messed up is that? The broadcast stations get paid 
for their signal from the cable companies, so they have an incentive to 
cut the broadcast power so people have to pay.
-- 
Regards,

Pete
http://pete-theisen.com/


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[OT] What, a GIRL REPORTER not worshiping his divineness?

[Pete Theisen]

Hi Everybody!

http://news.bostonherald.com/news/politics/2008/view/2008_10_30_Barack_Obama_hits_the_tube_with_%E2%80%98closer__special/srvc=home&position=1

or

http://tinyurl.com/62drlo

"“Night Rider” - one of the TV shows that got bumped to make way for 
Barack Obama’s infomercial - was looking pretty good last night about 
six minutes into the candidate’s last-minute pitch.

"The Democratic contender had better be elected president, because he 
wouldn’t make a great late-night infomercial pitchman."
-- 
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RE: [OT] What, a GIRL REPORTER not worshiping his divineness?

[Adam Buckland]

They will have to send Bill Clinton over to convince her...

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Pete Theisen
Sent: 30 October 2008 10:22
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: [OT] What, a GIRL REPORTER not worshiping his divineness?

Hi Everybody!

http://news.bostonherald.com/news/politics/2008/view/2008_10_30_Barack_O
bama_hits_the_tube_with_%E2%80%98closer__special/srvc=home&position=1

or

http://tinyurl.com/62drlo

""Night Rider" - one of the TV shows that got bumped to make way for 
Barack Obama's infomercial - was looking pretty good last night about 
six minutes into the candidate's last-minute pitch.

"The Democratic contender had better be elected president, because he 
wouldn't make a great late-night infomercial pitchman."
-- 
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Pete
http://pete-theisen.com/


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[OT] : How on earth....

[Adam Buckland]

Did HP have the stupidity not to check up on who had written the music
for this advert...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65m5lwwUMV0





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Re: Microsoft reveals features of Windows 7

[Paul McNett]

Michael Madigan wrote:
> How about a new os that will run on a 3yo computer?

http://www.ubuntu.com

Paul


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Re: [OT] Business Decision

[Larry Miller]

Two things... 

He shouldn't let them know the reason they were chosen and a business like that 
may have union goon descending on it for a non-secret ballot election.

Otherwise, it seems like a logical approach.

Larry Miller


- Original Message -
From: Michael Madigan 
To: profox@leafe.com
Sent: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 02:06:01 + (UTC)
Subject: [OT] Business Decision


> Dear Fellow Business Owners,
> 
> As a Business owner who employs 30 people, I have resigned myself to 
> Barack Obama being our next President. As a result my Taxes and Fees will 
> be going WAY up.
> 
> To compensate for these increases, I will be increasing my fees to 
> customers by about 8%. I will also have to lay off six, or maybe seven, of 
> my employees. This really bothered me as I believe we are family here and 
> didn't know how to choose who will have to be let go.
> 
> To help me decide, I strolled through the parking lot and found 9 cars 
> with "Obama 08" bumper stickers.  I decided these folks will be the first 
> laid off.
> 
> I can't think of a more equitable and fair way to approach this problem. 
> If you have a better idea, let me know.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Bob,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] usiness.com







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RE: VFP9 report behaviour

[Eurico Chagas Filho]

Hi

For what is worth, my transition was smooth. I didi the same just
declared 90 behaviour, expecting to use the new features latter.

HTH, E.



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RE: [OT] Business Decision

[Adam Buckland]

Dear Bob,

As a business owner who employs rather more people than you do, I have
considered your proposal and the argument you put forward.
I'm sure that your employees and potential employees will appreciate
that you have taken this action and you will obviously have improved
your standing in the community. 

I trust that you will ensure that all of your clients that happen to
vote for Obama take their business elsewhere that way you can have a
nice small business with approx 5 employees and be well under the $250K
limit! QED end of problem.

Other than that Bob you're an ass.

Cheers,

Adam Buckland



- Original Message -
From: Michael Madigan 
To: profox@leafe.com
Sent: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 02:06:01 + (UTC)
Subject: [OT] Business Decision


> Dear Fellow Business Owners,
> 
> As a Business owner who employs 30 people, I have resigned myself to 
> Barack Obama being our next President. As a result my Taxes and Fees
will 
> be going WAY up.
> 
> To compensate for these increases, I will be increasing my fees to 
> customers by about 8%. I will also have to lay off six, or maybe
seven, of 
> my employees. This really bothered me as I believe we are family here
and 
> didn't know how to choose who will have to be let go.
> 
> To help me decide, I strolled through the parking lot and found 9 cars

> with "Obama 08" bumper stickers.  I decided these folks will be the
first 
> laid off.
> 
> I can't think of a more equitable and fair way to approach this
problem. 
> If you have a better idea, let me know.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Bob,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] usiness.com







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Re: Microsoft reveals features of Windows 7

[Ted Roche]

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 8:57 PM, KAM.covad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I think a lot of our clients would go to Linux, but we would have to support 
> everything. I wish someone would come out with a fully
> loaded machine that has Linux, email, office, etc.

You mean, like http://www.dell.com/linux ?

> Then I wish we could get all our VFP9 software converted to Dabo. I think it
> would work, but it is a scary step when everything works like it is. We have 
> a million lines of code with all those little 'fixes'
> that only come after your software has been used by a thousand clients over 
> 10 years. We did that when we converted from FPD26 to
> VFP6. That seemed impossible, and it was, but we eventually got it working. 
> We would never go back.

Have you looked at converting your app to a web app? Then you could
move from having to support every wacky patched version of some
single-source OS into supporting FireFox, Safari, Opera and IE7? And
the client could run their choice of DOS, Windows, Vista, Snow
Leopard, Free BSD, Solaris or JoesOperatingSystem, and that would not
be your problem?

> We need some other large, well capitalized company to break the ice, prove 
> the concept and make it so we could recommend it.

Good luck with that.

-- 
Ted Roche
Ted Roche & Associates, LLC
http://www.tedroche.com


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[OT] L.A. Times withholds tape of Obama and Khalidi

[Nicholas Geti]

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gpDdlB58oW01dngpTMqnHyiKMvIAD944EBN01 from 
the Associated Press


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RE: [OT] L.A. Times withholds tape of Obama and Khalidi

[Adam Buckland]

Oh no Bill Ayers was in the same building as Obama! Heck I socialise
with people I don't share the same political affiliations!

It's a group anyway that McCain has supported in the past as well...

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To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: [OT] L.A. Times withholds tape of Obama and Khalidi

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gpDdlB58oW01dngpTMqnHyiKMvIAD944EBN01
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Re: [NF] No digital TV signal?

[Leland F. Jackson, CPA]

I've had good luck with the Philips mant510 antenna.  It has 50dB 
Amplification.  It is an indoor antenna and works with VHF, UHF, FM, and 
HDTV digital.

http://www.p4c.philips.com/files/s/sdv2510_27/sdv2510_27_pss_aen.pdf

or

http://tinyurl.com/5nzdx2

Regards,

LelandJ


Pete Theisen wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>   
>> Analog signals that come in weak will be seen as fussy, or not at all. 
>> Digital signals that come in weak will be able to be readjusted to look 100 
>> percent perfect when initially sent out because of how digital signals are 
>> broadcasted / made. I am studying it in networking 101 right now. With 
>> digital, the signal is either on (1) or off (0)n therefore when the signal 
>> is recieved, if there is any signal measuring above (zero) then it is viewed 
>> as a on (1).
>>
>> If you want me to get into the science behind the digital signals, let me 
>> know and i will go more in depth.
>>
>> You don't need a digital antenna.
>>
>> The website below answered all of my questions;  especially, since my 
>> signals come from three different compass points.
>>
>> To get all of the compass points without having to turn the indoor 
>> antenna, I got a GE Amplified Quantum Antenna #24775.
>>
>>  From Froogle:
>>
>> http://www.google.com/products?q=Quantum+Antenna+%2324775&btnG=Search+Products&scoring=p
>>
>> It has three panels so I was able to capture signals from three 
>> compass points up to 26 miles from me.
>>
>> My suggestion:  try your current antenna first.
>>
>> Analog drops dead at midnight on February 17, 2009.  All full-power 
>> television stations in the United States will stop broadcasting in 
>> analog and switch to 100% digital broadcasting.
>>
>> At 10:42 PM 10/29/2008, you wrote:
>> 
>>> Check out this website:
>>>   
>
>   
>>> http://www.antennaweb.org
>>>
>>> Enter your address (you don't need to enter your name) and it will tell
>>> you where the closest broadcasting stations are.
>>>
>>> I helped my neighbor hook up a large antenna inside his attic (HOA won't
>>> let us put one on our roof) and we did some tests.  We then hooked up a
>>> signal booster very close to the antenna (within 5') and re-tested.  The
>>> improvement was remarkable.  These boosters need some power, but he had
>>> an outlet in his attic that also ran his furnace.
>>>
>>> The booster would not work as well if placed closer to his "digital to
>>> analog converter" box.  Having the booster closer to the antenna is key.
>>>   
>
> Hi Guys!
>
> Thanks for all the responses. The antenna I am using is an amplified 
> rabbit ear affair like this one (same model, not my photo), this is 
> maybe 10 years old.
>
> http://madison.craigslist.org/ele/876809215.html
>
> The ring turns and that knob in front of the ring also turns 360 but 
> there seems to be no precise index, just a line on the knob and 12 lines 
> on the case for maybe 60 clicks. It worked a few months ago on a small 
> portable in the kitchen but never in the living room where I would like 
> to use it. I have a Sperry SP-5A meter but I don't know if that would 
> tell me anything or what I should measure if it would.
>
> Of course, if there is no signal to receive that would explain it. I 
> can't determine if any of our local stations are broadcasting digital or 
> not. As it is, I have been getting all the news I get from the horrible 
> local papers and on the web.
>
> On the antenna web thing I put in the zip code and they come back with a 
> screen that they want your whole address. If you do put in the address 
> and uncheck the box for sending you ads they put you in a loop that 
> doesn't tell you anything so who knows? I haven't tried clearing my 
> private data and rebooting to get out of the loop but it seems that this 
> would be the only way.
>
> That three panel GE antenna looks interesting. Haven't seen any of those 
> in the local stores though, so perhaps they don't work around here. I am 
> so close to downtown that there is a lot of ghosting and snow on analog.
>
> The roof over my unit hosts several huge ac units which I am sure do not 
> help. The insulation on the walls and ceiling has a lot of aluminum foil 
> on it which may also block the signal, not that there is much signal anyway.
>
> Everybody around here uses cable but that is about $70 to $150 a month 
> and I don't have that kind of money to spare from my slim Social 
> Security check. The people who have cable pay for the cable and still 
> get all the ads, how messed up is that? The broadcast stations get paid 
> for their signal from the cable companies, so they have an incentive to 
> cut the broadcast power so people have to pay.
>   



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RE: Microsoft reveals features of Windows 7

[Gil Hale]

> You mean, like http://www.dell.com/linux ?
>

What I find interesting with Dell offering Ubuntu (at least when I was
looking a few months ago) is Ubuntu Linux is offered on only a few of their
models, and the pricing was not much less than the Windows OS platform PCs.
So I figured what they were able to eliminate in M$ OS cost they had to make
up with having a group of Support Techs that were at least fairly proficient
with Linux, even if the same Linux reps were also able to provide Windows
support.  To have a specific group of dedicated or dual OS capable reps
would have taken time & money to provide training for, which would have to
be passed on to the folks purchasing the Linux based PCs.  And since there
are (still) far fewer folks buying Linux PCs than Windows, that added cost
would be spread over fewer PCs, thus the price per PC for the Ubuntu support
would pretty much offset any potential savings by not having to buy a
Windows OS for each PC.

But, in looking at the overall scheme of things I am glad Dell made the
Ubuntu move.  I am surmising if enough folks begin to purchase the Linux
machines they may begin to offer Linux with other PC models as well.  As it
is they offer both Suse and Red Hat OS options for their Server class
machines (not Ubuntu Server, yet).

I have opted to order my Server machines from Dell without any OS, and
install Ubuntu (or Windows Server) on my own.  Ubuntu 7.10 had a few video
driver limitations, but v-8.04 fixed that.  And the GUI Desktop version
install failed, so I had to install the Server version without the GUI
interface, then added the GUI shell after the installation was completed
(that was a Dell sc420 Server with P4 Dual Core CPU, 4Gb RAM).  It has been
rocking on reliably ever since, just like the Novell Suse Enterprise v-10 it
was running for the year prior to me Ubuntu-izing that Server.  I never give
the Server a second thought.  It just works.

Anyway, for all the beating up Dell has sustained over the years, I for one
have had a great experience with Dell over the past 4 years.  And with my
next (non-Apple) Desktop PC I will consider a Linux OS machine if they offer
it on one of their beefier machines.  Then again, I do not need as beefy a
machine with Linux as with Windows - just lots of RAM for the VirtualBox app
for each virtual PC...

Gil

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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ted Roche
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 9:32 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Microsoft reveals features of Windows 7
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 8:57 PM, KAM.covad
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I think a lot of our clients would go to Linux, but we would
> have to support everything. I wish someone would come out with a fully
> > loaded machine that has Linux, email, office, etc.
>
> You mean, like http://www.dell.com/linux ?
>
> > Then I wish we could get all our VFP9 software converted to
> Dabo. I think it
> > would work, but it is a scary step when everything works like
> it is. We have a million lines of code with all those little 'fixes'
> > that only come after your software has been used by a thousand
> clients over 10 years. We did that when we converted from FPD26 to
> > VFP6. That seemed impossible, and it was, but we eventually got
> it working. We would never go back.
>
> Have you looked at converting your app to a web app? Then you could
> move from having to support every wacky patched version of some
> single-source OS into supporting FireFox, Safari, Opera and IE7? And
> the client could run their choice of DOS, Windows, Vista, Snow
> Leopard, Free BSD, Solaris or JoesOperatingSystem, and that would not
> be your problem?
>
> > We need some other large, well capitalized company to break the
> ice, prove the concept and make it so we could recommend it.
>
> Good luck with that.
>
> --
> Ted Roche
> Ted Roche & Associates, LLC
> http://www.tedroche.com
>
>
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Re: Microsoft reveals features of Windows 7

[Ted Roche]

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Gil Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> be passed on to the folks purchasing the Linux based PCs.  And since there
> are (still) far fewer folks buying Linux PCs than Windows, that added cost
> would be spread over fewer PCs, thus the price per PC for the Ubuntu support
> would pretty much offset any potential savings by not having to buy a
> Windows OS for each PC.

Right. Free as in speech, not free as in beer. That's how it works. I
charge the same to write SQL on Postgres as I do on SQL Server, too.

> I have opted to order my Server machines from Dell without any OS, and

Is that just to punish them for all the good work they do supporting
Open Source?



> Anyway, for all the beating up Dell has sustained over the years, I for one
> have had a great experience with Dell over the past 4 years.

Dell Business/Professional machines are in a different category with
consumer machines. All vendors in the consumer space are in a race to
the bottom on price.

>  And with my
> next (non-Apple) Desktop PC I will consider a Linux OS machine if they offer
> it on one of their beefier machines.

We've been desktop-free for a number of years here. With Lenovo
retiring the ThinkPad line, the next laptop is likely to be either
Dell or Apple.

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Re: Microsoft reveals features of Windows 7

[Alan Bourke]

On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:46:30 -0700, "KAM.covad"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> We just took delivery of 2 desktop 64bit Vista 4gb memory, etc,etc. We
> had to get them because we have more clients getting them. 
> The first thing we noticed is that there is no support for dos programs.
> We still have more than 1000 licensed users with our FPD26 
> version. There are some 3rd party utilities available and one of our
> support guys got one to work, but it is complex to set up and 
> we don't know what it might do to a client's computer or other installed
> programs. Anyone have any feedback on this?

Yeah - why didn't you do some basic checking as to what was supported
before you went and spent all that money?

Sorry, you can't pin that one on Vista - 64-bit versions of any
Microsoft OS do not run 16-bit applications and never have. 

> 
> The other thing we noticed was expected. It runs slower than a Win2000 P3
> computer with 256 mb memory
> 

Doing what exactly? If that is really the case, and I doubt it, there is
something fundamentally wrong in the areas of hardware, OS or driver
installation. 

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RE: Microsoft reveals features of Windows 7

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On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:37:24 +1030, "geoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Its never crashed on me either. but nor does it ever connect to my 
> network easily. nor does it run fast. Try and 'run' it on 256Mb. Try 
> and run a foxpro app that might do some of the naughty things vista 
> no longer permits - like putting borders around forms! Nope. Vista is
> crap.

I won't try and run it on 256MB, because I've read the stated hardware
requirements:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-vista/get/system-requirements.aspx

Which are 512MB and up. Now we all know that you can double that in
reality, but XP is a pig on 256MB also.
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Re: VFP9-Shut routine

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KAM.covad wrote:
> There are times that none of these suggestions will work. Someone in this 
> list posted the solution some time ago. I have been using
> it since. What you need is to compile these 2 lines of code:
> 
> Declare ExitProcess in Win32API Long
> ExitProcess(1)
> 
> What I did is put the resulting file named: quitnow.fxp in c:\temp
> 
> Then when you get that message and have no way out, type do c:\temp\quitnow 
> in the command window. This will always work. At least
> I have never seen it fail.


I think it was Ted Roche, back in 2006, iirc.




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Re: VFP9 report behaviour

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geoff wrote:
> I must admit to being less than impressed with the new vfp9 report 
> system. When VFP9 was released this was touted as being fantastic and 
> incredible and the greatest thing since sliced bread. The feature set 
> underwhelmed me at the time and now that I have tried to implement it 
> in an existing application with a large number of reports i simply 
> hate it. First I just set report behaviour to 90 and let it go. of 
> course at the client site there was no support for the preview or 
> print engine. I mistakenly thought the build would include such 
> obvious essentials but no. I finally found what needed to be included 
> (no thanks to the documentation and thanks to a third party book). 

http://www.hentzenwerke.com/catalog/wnvfp9.htm


> now of course, the formatting on many reports is wrong with 
> previously correctly sized fields no longer able to fit correctly. 
> Then there is my Customer Statements reports which actually go into 
> an endless loop. Im so thrilled...

No problems with my reports here, but admittedly, I'm not using the new 
multiple detail bands feature as I don't do SET RELATION TO stuff.  I 
create flat cursors and report using those.


> 
> There a few handy features in the new report write. Its a pity it is 
> such junk for backward compatibility.


Well, backwards compatability has been a *strong* point for VFP for 
years!  Look at the non-backward-compatability headaches the VB et al 
folks had with other M$ languages as they released new versions.




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Re: Microsoft reveals features of Windows 7

[Alan Bourke]

On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 05:52:36 -0700, "Paul McNett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Michael Madigan wrote:
> > How about a new os that will run on a 3yo computer?
> 
> http://www.ubuntu.com
> 
> Paul
> 
>

Great!

Yikes! That's getting slower with new versions too!

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_bench_2008&num=1

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Re: VFP9 report behaviour

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I think the biggest potential gotcha is the one that Geoff mentions 
where his reports are rendering differently because 9 behavior uses GDI+ 
instead of VFP's native rendering. If things really have to stay at a 
particular location on the page, those rendering differences could 
result in a ton of tedious editing...

MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:
> geoff wrote:
>   
>> now of course, the formatting on many reports is wrong with 
>> previously correctly sized fields no longer able to fit correctly. 
>> Then there is my Customer Statements reports which actually go into 
>> an endless loop. Im so thrilled...
>> 

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Re: Microsoft reveals features of Windows 7

[Alan Bourke]

On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:38:06 +, "Alan Bourke"
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> Yikes! That's getting slower with new versions too!

But of course you could recompile it for your exact h/w if you
wanted/were able ... unlike Windows.
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RE: [NF] ZoneAlarm and TinyUrl

[Rick Borup]

You could add those IP addresses as 'trusted' under Firewall Zones in
ZoneAlarm and see if that resolves the issue. I'm still using ZoneAlarm
v6.5.737 here, and am guessing v7.0.483 still enables you to do that.

-Rick





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> Subject: [NF] ZoneAlarm and TinyUrl
> 
> 
> 
> ZoneAlarm 7.0.483.000 -- free version -- no longer fetches 
> nor retrieves
> TinyURLs.
> 
> 
> What are the work arounds?
> 
> 
> I tried to put
> http://tinyurl.com
> into the trust sites.  This translated to:
> 
> 
> 
> 64.158.56.45,  206.112.100.145,  63.251.179.45
> 
> 
> 
> --  Charles --
> 
> 
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> 
> Website:
> http://homepages.uc.edu/
> ~enzerch 
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Re: VFP9 report behaviour

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Richard Kaye wrote:
> I think the biggest potential gotcha is the one that Geoff mentions 
> where his reports are rendering differently because 9 behavior uses GDI+ 
> instead of VFP's native rendering. If things really have to stay at a 
> particular location on the page, those rendering differences could 
> result in a ton of tedious editing...


Aahgood point.



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Re: Microsoft reveals features of Windows 7

[Paul McNett]

Alan Bourke wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 05:52:36 -0700, "Paul McNett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>> Michael Madigan wrote:
>>> How about a new os that will run on a 3yo computer?
>> http://www.ubuntu.com
> Great!

Yes, I think so.

> Yikes! That's getting slower with new versions too!
> 
> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_bench_2008&num=1

You should, next time, be a bit less blatant with logical fallacies such 
as the red herring you used.

I have no doubt that Ubuntu's getting slower as more advanced features 
are added, but that's not what I was responding to.

Paul


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Re: Microsoft reveals features of Windows 7

[Alan Bourke]

On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:13:57 -0700, "Paul McNett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Alan Bourke wrote:
> > On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 05:52:36 -0700, "Paul McNett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> >> Michael Madigan wrote:
> >>> How about a new os that will run on a 3yo computer?
> >> http://www.ubuntu.com
> > Great!
> 
> Yes, I think so.

So do I - as you'll discover from my many posts on this list encouraging
people to try it.

 
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RE: [OT] What, a GIRL REPORTER not worshiping his divineness?

[Michael Madigan]

Or Hillary.

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> They will have to send Bill Clinton over to convince her...
> 
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> Hi Everybody!
> 
> http://news.bostonherald.com/news/politics/2008/view/2008_10_30_Barack_O
> bama_hits_the_tube_with_%E2%80%98closer__special/srvc=home&position=1
> 
> or
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/62drlo
> 
> ""Night Rider" - one of the TV shows that
> got bumped to make way for 
> Barack Obama's infomercial - was looking pretty good
> last night about 
> six minutes into the candidate's last-minute pitch.
> 
> "The Democratic contender had better be elected
> president, because he 
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RE: [OT] L.A. Times withholds tape of Obama and Khalidi

[Michael Madigan]

He also co-wrote his book, but he hardly knows him.

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> Oh no Bill Ayers was in the same building as Obama! Heck I
> socialise
> with people I don't share the same political
> affiliations!
> 
> It's a group anyway that McCain has supported in the
> past as well...
> 
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Re: Microsoft reveals features of Windows 7

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No, I mean a real one. LOL

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> 
> http://www.ubuntu.com
> 
> Paul
> 
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WinAPI call to select bin

[Graham Brown]

Hi 
 
Could anyone help with a problem please.
 
I'm using this code to print a PDF
 
  m.cPDF="c:\temp\file1.pdf"
  Declare Integer ShellExecute ;
   IN SHELL32.Dll ;
   INTEGER nWinHandle,;
   STRING cOperation,;
   STRING cFileName,;
   STRING cParameters,;
   STRING cDirectory,;
   INTEGER nShowWindow
 
  ShellExecute(0, "Print", m.cPDF, "", "", 1)
 
I'm working on the routine to send this print to a specific tray, it
looks like I have to use the setprinter api call but I've no idea what
this does.
 
btw the PDFTK worked like a charm.
 
Thanks
 
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Error when running form

[John J. Mihaljevic]

Hi all,

I have a form that was running perfectly.  For reasons I won't get into in
order to save time and typing, I issued FREE TABLE on one of the tables in
the form.  I then added the table back to the database.  When I run the form
now, I get this error:

"Error loading file - record number 5. MYFORM1 .
Loading form or the data environment: Cannont resolve backlink"

The table has been added back to the table.  Any idea what I can do to clean
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Thanks very much!

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RE: Error when running form

[John J. Mihaljevic]

Answering my own question:

I just did REMOVE TABLE and then ADD TABLE to put it back.  Problem solved.

Sorry! :)

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:profoxtech-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John J. Mihaljevic
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:04 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Error when running form
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I have a form that was running perfectly.  For reasons I won't get into
> in
> order to save time and typing, I issued FREE TABLE on one of the tables
> in
> the form.  I then added the table back to the database.  When I run the
> form
> now, I get this error:
> 
> "Error loading file - record number 5. MYFORM1 .
> Loading form or the data environment: Cannont resolve backlink"
> 
> The table has been added back to the table.  Any idea what I can do to
> clean
> up this error?
> 
> Thanks very much!
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Microsoft reveals features of Windows 7

[Stephen Russell]

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 4:00 PM, geoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> the feature list looks underwhelming at best. What about a feature
> called 'runs faster and uses less memory'. I have the misfortune to
> own a cheap laptop that came with vista basic. the operating system
> on that can only be described using 4 letter words. It is
> cripple-ware. wireless networking is a hit and miss affair and that
> is what i hate most about it. Networking.Networking a home PC should
> be absolutely fundamental and idiot proof. Vista makes it expert-proof.
>
> At 07:26 AM 30/10/2008, you wrote:
>>I liked XP. It just works and doesnt get in the way of doing things
>>like Vista does. Vista looks good but after the eye-candy I hate it
>>with a special loathing. Give XP a new face and bring it back.
>>
--

I have to ask because my wireless networking is not giving me any troubles.

Can you not find available networks or are you connecting to the wrong one?

I had Home premium and upgraded to business Ultimate ??? to get the
ISS on my local site for doing ASP.NET programming.

Never really a problem between either of the versions with wireless
and multiple wireless sites.

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[OT] Don't cross Obama or you'll be investigated

[Michael Madigan]

Don't cross Obama or you'll be investigated

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/10/29/joe30.html?sid=101

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Re: [OT] Judge rules Ohio Homeless May List Park Benches As Addresses

[Ricardo Araoz]

Bob Calco wrote:
> Dick:
> 

>>> His pet name of "Bobby" for me is a case in point: He has
>>> divined, somehow, that I hate that (actually most Roberts I know do);
>> and
>>> more importantly: that's why he does it.
>> Errrhh of course you are not required to know spanish, but the
>> correct translation of Ricardo into english would be "Richard". So you
>> might want to explore "Dick" or thereabouts.
> 
> As you wish. Dick. 
> 
> Actually I can get used to calling you that. :)
> 

I think you would enjoy lil'Dick or Beavis and D...head better. Wouldn't
you?


>>>
>> My hobby used to be women, but I'm fifty now and age does that to you.
> 
> No wonder you're reduced to trying to seduce men in faraway lands with
> insults and personal jabs.

Nahhh! You are too easy, almost a slut.

> 
>> It's going very slow :(  Only two station moulds so far, bloody garden,
>> rain and procrastination are to blame. I'll have to start moving my
>> sorry ass or I won't be able to sail next summer.
> 
> Well I for one am rooting for you.
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/6bshal

Well, I never expected to live past 35. And it would be a nice death
(much better than in hospital).





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Re: [OT] Business Decision

[Ricardo Araoz]

Adam Buckland wrote:
> Dear Bob,
> 
> As a business owner who employs rather more people than you do, I have
> considered your proposal and the argument you put forward.
> I'm sure that your employees and potential employees will appreciate
> that you have taken this action and you will obviously have improved
> your standing in the community. 
> 
> I trust that you will ensure that all of your clients that happen to
> vote for Obama take their business elsewhere that way you can have a
> nice small business with approx 5 employees and be well under the $250K
> limit! QED end of problem.
> 
> Other than that Bob you're an ass.
> 

Nope! He's a champion for Democracy. Can't you see?
He would never go live in Russia, because there if you don't think like
the party wants you to think you get fired. Damned Reds!


> Cheers,
> 
> Adam Buckland
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Michael Madigan 
> To: profox@leafe.com
> Sent: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 02:06:01 + (UTC)
> Subject: [OT] Business Decision
> 
> 
>> Dear Fellow Business Owners,
>>
>> As a Business owner who employs 30 people, I have resigned myself to 
>> Barack Obama being our next President. As a result my Taxes and Fees
> will 
>> be going WAY up.
>>
>> To compensate for these increases, I will be increasing my fees to 
>> customers by about 8%. I will also have to lay off six, or maybe
> seven, of 
>> my employees. This really bothered me as I believe we are family here
> and 
>> didn't know how to choose who will have to be let go.
>>
>> To help me decide, I strolled through the parking lot and found 9 cars
> 
>> with "Obama 08" bumper stickers.  I decided these folks will be the
> first 
>> laid off.
>>
>> I can't think of a more equitable and fair way to approach this
> problem. 
>> If you have a better idea, let me know.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Bob,
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] usiness.com
> 


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Re: [OT] Judge rules Ohio Homeless May List Park Benches As Addresses

[Michael Madigan]

Too bad your expectations weren't realized

> Well, I never expected to live past 35. And it would be a
> nice death
> (much better than in hospital).
> 


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RE: [NF] No digital TV signal?

[Jim Felton]

Mike just so you know, the digital signal your talking about isn't really
digital.  It is actually an 8VSB analog signal with digital data encoded in
8 subcarriers that have to synchronize as a single block to be received as
data.  You are right that there is On/Off relationship in the encoding of
the data stream (Spec. 292) that is feed into the transmitter, but that is
more or less the end of the digital part until it is received and decoder by
your receiver/TV at which time it become digital again to be processed by
decompression algorithm in the receiver and then guess what it goes back to
analog if you have a TV with a picture tube.

Good luck with the class.

Jim

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To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: Re: [NF] No digital TV signal?

Analog signals that come in weak will be seen as fussy, or not at all.
Digital signals that come in weak will be able to be readjusted to look 100
percent perfect when initially sent out because of how digital signals are
broadcasted / made. I am studying it in networking 101 right now. With
digital, the signal is either on (1) or off (0)n therefore when the signal
is recieved, if there is any signal measuring above (zero) then it is viewed
as a on (1).

If you want me to get into the science behind the digital signals, let me
know and i will go more in depth.

Mike Wohlrab
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: "Charles Hart Enzer, M.D., FAACAP" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:33:26 
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [NF] No digital TV signal?


You don't need a digital antenna.

The website below answered all of my questions;  especially, since my 
signals come from three different compass points.

To get all of the compass points without having to turn the indoor 
antenna, I got a GE Amplified Quantum Antenna #24775.

 From Froogle:

http://www.google.com/products?q=Quantum+Antenna+%2324775&btnG=Search+Produc
ts&scoring=p

It has three panels so I was able to capture signals from three 
compass points up to 26 miles from me.

My suggestion:  try your current antenna first.

Analog drops dead at midnight on February 17, 2009.  All full-power 
television stations in the United States will stop broadcasting in 
analog and switch to 100% digital broadcasting.

At 10:42 PM 10/29/2008, you wrote:
>Check out this website:
>http://www.antennaweb.org
>
>Enter your address (you don't need to enter your name) and it will tell
>you where the closest broadcasting stations are.
>
>I helped my neighbor hook up a large antenna inside his attic (HOA won't
>let us put one on our roof) and we did some tests.  We then hooked up a
>signal booster very close to the antenna (within 5') and re-tested.  The
>improvement was remarkable.  These boosters need some power, but he had
>an outlet in his attic that also ran his furnace.
>
>The booster would not work as well if placed closer to his "digital to
>analog converter" box.  Having the booster closer to the antenna is key.
>
>HTH,
>-Kevin
>CULLY Technologies, LLC
>
>
>Pete Theisen wrote:
> > Hi Everybody!
> >
> > I popped 10 bucks and the government coupon for a digital TV converter.
> > I hooked it all up and there is no signal. Of course, there was no
> > analog reception to speak of.
> >
> > Aren't all the TV stations broadcasting digital by now?
>
>
>
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Re: [NF] No digital TV signal?

[Stephen Russell]

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:33 PM, Jerry Wolper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> don't you need a digital antenna too?
>
> No. The bowtie/halo part of the antenna should get the digital signal
> that's broadcast on UHF. It's an all-or-nothing proposition, though.
> Weak signals that came in poorly in analog won't come in at all
> digitally.
---

Well it is all on the location of the towers.  If the new digital ones
are closer it will be better.  My dad found that the digital reception
was much better than the traditional because the digital towers were
close to his house and the old ones were on the other side of town.
Roswell NM.

-- 
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Sr. Production Systems Programmer
Mimeo.com
Memphis TN

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Re: [OT] No digital TV signal?

[Michael Madigan]

That explains a lot.   Your family came here on a crashed UFO.

 My dad found that the
> digital reception
> was much better than the traditional because the digital
> towers were
> close to his house and the old ones were on the other side
> of town.
> Roswell NM.
> 
> -- 
> Stephen Russell
> Sr. Production Systems Programmer
> Mimeo.com
> Memphis TN
> 
> 901.246-0159
> 
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Re: [NF] No digital TV signal?

[Pete Theisen]

Stephen Russell wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:33 PM, Jerry Wolper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> don't you need a digital antenna too?
>> No. The bowtie/halo part of the antenna should get the digital signal
>> that's broadcast on UHF. It's an all-or-nothing proposition, though.
>> Weak signals that came in poorly in analog won't come in at all
>> digitally.
> ---
> 
> Well it is all on the location of the towers.  If the new digital ones
> are closer it will be better.  My dad found that the digital reception
> was much better than the traditional because the digital towers were
> close to his house and the old ones were on the other side of town.
> Roswell NM.

Hi Stephen!

I think the same tower will host the digital signal. Florida companies 
are too cheap to do anything else.
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Re: [NF] No digital TV signal?

[Pete Theisen]

Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
> I've had good luck with the Philips mant510 antenna.  It has 50dB 
> Amplification.  It is an indoor antenna and works with VHF, UHF, FM, and 
> HDTV digital.
> 
> http://www.p4c.philips.com/files/s/sdv2510_27/sdv2510_27_pss_aen.pdf
> 
> or
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/5nzdx2

Hi Leland!

Looks expensive. What did it run you?
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Re: [NF] No digital TV signal?

[Michael Madigan]

http://www.google.com/products?q=sdv2510

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--- On Thu, 10/30/08, Pete Theisen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Pete Theisen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [NF] No digital TV signal?
> To: "ProFox Email List" 
> Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 9:57 PM
> Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
> > I've had good luck with the Philips mant510
> antenna.  It has 50dB 
> > Amplification.  It is an indoor antenna and works with
> VHF, UHF, FM, and 
> > HDTV digital.
> > 
> >
> http://www.p4c.philips.com/files/s/sdv2510_27/sdv2510_27_pss_aen.pdf
> > 
> > or
> > 
> > http://tinyurl.com/5nzdx2
> 
> Hi Leland!
> 
> Looks expensive. What did it run you?
> -- 
> Regards,
> 
> Pete
> http://pete-theisen.com/
> 
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Re: [NF] No digital TV signal?

[Leland F. Jackson, CPA]

Do a google on it.  You should be able to find some prices around $25 
and some reviews.  I picked mine up a Wal*Mart for $31.87 which includes 
a 8.25% sales tax.

Regards,

LelandJ



Pete Theisen wrote:
> Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
>   
>> I've had good luck with the Philips mant510 antenna.  It has 50dB 
>> Amplification.  It is an indoor antenna and works with VHF, UHF, FM, and 
>> HDTV digital.
>>
>> http://www.p4c.philips.com/files/s/sdv2510_27/sdv2510_27_pss_aen.pdf
>>
>> or
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/5nzdx2
>> 
>
> Hi Leland!
>
> Looks expensive. What did it run you?
>   



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Re: [NF] No digital TV signal?

[KAM.covad]

In fact an absolutely digital signal may not even be possible. Even in fiber 
optic cables, if you had a machine capable of
analyzing the signal, you would find that the light does not appear 
'instantly', but rather starts at a lower level than the final
'1' signal. Of course, if you go low enough, maybe the light either exists or 
it does not exist (a true digital signal). The
question is whether you could create a receiver sensitive enough to detect a 
single photon at any distance. How could you create a
single photon in a controlled manner so it could carry information? Even light 
is a 'wave' which is analog by definition. Those
pictures you see in the books with the square shapes on the 'wave' probably are 
an artist's depiction, not a picture of the actual
wave. But I could be wrong as I have not actually seen a single photon - or 
maybe I have?



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Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:01 PM
Subject: RE: [NF] No digital TV signal?


Mike just so you know, the digital signal your talking about isn't really
digital.  It is actually an 8VSB analog signal with digital data encoded in
8 subcarriers that have to synchronize as a single block to be received as
data.  You are right that there is On/Off relationship in the encoding of
the data stream (Spec. 292) that is feed into the transmitter, but that is
more or less the end of the digital part until it is received and decoder by
your receiver/TV at which time it become digital again to be processed by
decompression algorithm in the receiver and then guess what it goes back to
analog if you have a TV with a picture tube.

Good luck with the class.

Jim

-Original Message-
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Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 12:09 AM
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Subject: Re: [NF] No digital TV signal?

Analog signals that come in weak will be seen as fussy, or not at all.
Digital signals that come in weak will be able to be readjusted to look 100
percent perfect when initially sent out because of how digital signals are
broadcasted / made. I am studying it in networking 101 right now. With
digital, the signal is either on (1) or off (0)n therefore when the signal
is recieved, if there is any signal measuring above (zero) then it is viewed
as a on (1).

If you want me to get into the science behind the digital signals, let me
know and i will go more in depth.

Mike Wohlrab
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-Original Message-
From: "Charles Hart Enzer, M.D., FAACAP" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:33:26
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [NF] No digital TV signal?


You don't need a digital antenna.

The website below answered all of my questions;  especially, since my
signals come from three different compass points.

To get all of the compass points without having to turn the indoor
antenna, I got a GE Amplified Quantum Antenna #24775.

 From Froogle:

http://www.google.com/products?q=Quantum+Antenna+%2324775&btnG=Search+Produc
ts&scoring=p

It has three panels so I was able to capture signals from three
compass points up to 26 miles from me.

My suggestion:  try your current antenna first.

Analog drops dead at midnight on February 17, 2009.  All full-power
television stations in the United States will stop broadcasting in
analog and switch to 100% digital broadcasting.

At 10:42 PM 10/29/2008, you wrote:
>Check out this website:
>http://www.antennaweb.org
>
>Enter your address (you don't need to enter your name) and it will tell
>you where the closest broadcasting stations are.
>
>I helped my neighbor hook up a large antenna inside his attic (HOA won't
>let us put one on our roof) and we did some tests.  We then hooked up a
>signal booster very close to the antenna (within 5') and re-tested.  The
>improvement was remarkable.  These boosters need some power, but he had
>an outlet in his attic that also ran his furnace.
>
>The booster would not work as well if placed closer to his "digital to
>analog converter" box.  Having the booster closer to the antenna is key.
>
>HTH,
>-Kevin
>CULLY Technologies, LLC
>
>
>Pete Theisen wrote:
> > Hi Everybody!
> >
> > I popped 10 bucks and the government coupon for a digital TV converter.
> > I hooked it all up and there is no signal. Of course, there was no
> > analog reception to speak of.
> >
> > Aren't all the TV stations broadcasting digital by now?
>
>
>
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Re: [NF] No digital TV signal?

[KAM.covad]

Isn't Roswell where all that UFO stuff happened?

I remember than the first 'cable TV' in that area came from Roswell as they had 
the tallest man made tower in the world (many years
ago). They could pick up signals from Amarillo, Tx and Albuquerque, NM and 'big 
cities' like that.


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From: "Stephen Russell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "ProFox Email List" 
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: [NF] No digital TV signal?


On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:33 PM, Jerry Wolper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> don't you need a digital antenna too?
>
> No. The bowtie/halo part of the antenna should get the digital signal
> that's broadcast on UHF. It's an all-or-nothing proposition, though.
> Weak signals that came in poorly in analog won't come in at all
> digitally.
---

Well it is all on the location of the towers.  If the new digital ones
are closer it will be better.  My dad found that the digital reception
was much better than the traditional because the digital towers were
close to his house and the old ones were on the other side of town.
Roswell NM.

-- 
Stephen Russell
Sr. Production Systems Programmer
Mimeo.com
Memphis TN

901.246-0159


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Re: [NF] No digital TV signal?

[Leland F. Jackson, CPA]

The electromagnetic field contains ranges of energy, (eg waves or 
frequencies), with various ranges suited to different kinds of energy.  
For example radio, microwaves, lasers beams, TV signals, etc all exist 
within their own electromagnetic frequencies or ranges.

The switch to digital TV in part is to free up a range of 
electromagnetic fields previously used for analog TV, so it can be 
dedicated for use by the government, for example by agencies like 
Homeland Security during an emergency.   The government also has sold 
some of the analog frequencies of the private sector.  Also, the switch 
to digital TV has to do with improved TV quality for consumers.

A High Definition Television, (eg HDTV), is the product being sold, and 
a digital signal is used to deliver the picture/sound.

An example of a analog system is the use of a modem to modulate and 
demodulate sound over an electric wire.  This is an analog system, 
because it requires the communications to be modulated and demodulated 
using sounds, much like people talking on the phone.  The numbers and 
letters of the alphabet that are represented by a string of 8 bits of 1s 
and 0s, or ons or offs, etc are carried over the wires between two 
computers via sounds.

In a digital system, the 1s and 0s, or ons and offs, do not have to be 
modulated and demodulated into an analog signal.  The 1 and 0, or the 
ons and offs exist in a pure energy state and are transmitted through 
space, like between two microwave towers or via pure light over fiber 
optic cables.

The new HDTV are designed to work with a digital signal, but during the 
transition to digital TV, all newer HDTVs come with a tuner that allows 
the HDTV to show an analog channel.  I suppose the tuner will become 
irrelevant after Feb 19, 2009 for anyone with a HDTV, as all TV will be 
delivered via a digital signal, so anyone that still has an analog TV 
will need a tuner to change the digital signal into an analog one.

Regards,

LelandJ







Pete Theisen wrote:
> Stephen Russell wrote:
>   
>> On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:33 PM, Jerry Wolper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
 don't you need a digital antenna too?
 
>>> No. The bowtie/halo part of the antenna should get the digital signal
>>> that's broadcast on UHF. It's an all-or-nothing proposition, though.
>>> Weak signals that came in poorly in analog won't come in at all
>>> digitally.
>>>   
>> ---
>>
>> Well it is all on the location of the towers.  If the new digital ones
>> are closer it will be better.  My dad found that the digital reception
>> was much better than the traditional because the digital towers were
>> close to his house and the old ones were on the other side of town.
>> Roswell NM.
>> 
>
> Hi Stephen!
>
> I think the same tower will host the digital signal. Florida companies 
> are too cheap to do anything else.
>   



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