Re: [NF] No digital TV signal?
Interesting, Thanks for the information, Jim. Regards, LelandJ Jim Felton wrote: > Leland, you are almost on target. The 6 MHz bandwidth applies to the > broadcast transmitter. The microwave systems used to deliver the 292 ASI > stream to the transmitter may or may not have a 6 MHz bandwidth. For > example the MRC microwave system we use at the station carries 2 HD ASI > streams at 19.34 Mb/s each and 1 SD that is a 6 MHz analog TV channel. If > you want to see what an 8VBS transmitter signal looks go to Page 3 figure 6 > of this article. > > http://www.axcera.com/downloads/technotes-whitepapers/technote_5.pdf > > You are right about the Japanese system, but they have a very limited number > of broadcast stations compared to the USA. This allows them to allocate the > 20 MHz required for their system. > > Jim > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Leland F. Jackson, CPA > Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 12:01 PM > To: ProFox Email List > Subject: Re: [NF] No digital TV signal? > > If I understand thing correctly, the Japanese TV networks each have 20 > MHz of microwave bandwidth, so Japanese TV stations will stream a mirror > image of the digital camera's picture over the air, and the Japanese > people will have the highest quality TV picture. In America each TV > network only has 6 MHz of microwave frequency bandwidth, so the USA has > adopted a compressed digital signal. The signal loses quality the more > it is compressed, but it reduces the amount of binary data to be > processed, as well as the size of the file necessary to hold the binary > information. > > The standard wrapper used in the USA to hold the digital information is > mpeg- 2, I believe. I also see mpeg-4 a lot, which also seem to be > popular. In the USA the digital signal is compressed. The more the > signal is compress the low the quality of the picture, the lower the > amount of digital data processed to create the picture, and the smaller > the file need to hold a TV program. For better quality HDTV > entertainment, you can stream your own huge files using a Blu-Ray DVD or > via a huge movie file located in your computer. Both DVD and multimedia > player are popular for delivering high quality video/sound content to an > HDTV. > > A TV station delivers its products much like information is delivered in > a computer network. Each USA TV network has 6 MHz of microwave > frequency within its designated range to broadcast several streams of > content over its channels, (eg multi-casting), using compression to fit > it all into its limited 6MHz of microwave bandwidth. The images and > sound from the digital camera is wrapped into a mpeg-2 signal for > delivered over the network using microwave frequencies, and the picture > will be displayed on the HDTV, which has been designed to work natively > with a digital signal. > > There is plenty of change going on in the area of HDTV right now, so I'm > hoping I will get the full 10 or 15 years out of my HDTV, before it goes > obsolete. LOL > > Regards, > > LelandJ > > > Jim Felton wrote: > >> Leland, go read but thought you might like to see >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_terrestrial_television >> >> Nucomm and Microwave Radio Corp. (MRC) are the two big players in the >> microwave equipment suppliers. They both offer products for Studio to >> Transmitter Links (STL) and "Live truck" to station links. There is a >> government program being run by Sprint/Nextel to convert all Analog "Live >> trucks" to Digital. This was mandated by the FCC about 2 years ago. It >> does return part of the spectrum analog microware transmitter currently >> > use > >> to the government for use in Home Land security and other government >> agencies. That project was supposed to be completed by August of this year >> but has been extended to I think August of next year. >> >> Jim >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf >> Of Leland F. Jackson, CPA >> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 1:01 AM >> To: ProFox Email List >> Subject: Re: [NF] No digital TV signal? >> >> The below article give a definition of HDTV signal, (eg digital signal), >> and how a digital signal can be used to carry more data over a given >> microwave frequency bandwidth. >> >> >> > http://www.howstuffworks.com/framed.htm?parent=dtv.htm&url=http://www.pbs.or > >> g/opb/crashcourse/digital_v_analog/ >> http://electronics.howstuffworks.
RE: [NF] No digital TV signal?
Leland, you are almost on target. The 6 MHz bandwidth applies to the broadcast transmitter. The microwave systems used to deliver the 292 ASI stream to the transmitter may or may not have a 6 MHz bandwidth. For example the MRC microwave system we use at the station carries 2 HD ASI streams at 19.34 Mb/s each and 1 SD that is a 6 MHz analog TV channel. If you want to see what an 8VBS transmitter signal looks go to Page 3 figure 6 of this article. http://www.axcera.com/downloads/technotes-whitepapers/technote_5.pdf You are right about the Japanese system, but they have a very limited number of broadcast stations compared to the USA. This allows them to allocate the 20 MHz required for their system. Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leland F. Jackson, CPA Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 12:01 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [NF] No digital TV signal? If I understand thing correctly, the Japanese TV networks each have 20 MHz of microwave bandwidth, so Japanese TV stations will stream a mirror image of the digital camera's picture over the air, and the Japanese people will have the highest quality TV picture. In America each TV network only has 6 MHz of microwave frequency bandwidth, so the USA has adopted a compressed digital signal. The signal loses quality the more it is compressed, but it reduces the amount of binary data to be processed, as well as the size of the file necessary to hold the binary information. The standard wrapper used in the USA to hold the digital information is mpeg- 2, I believe. I also see mpeg-4 a lot, which also seem to be popular. In the USA the digital signal is compressed. The more the signal is compress the low the quality of the picture, the lower the amount of digital data processed to create the picture, and the smaller the file need to hold a TV program. For better quality HDTV entertainment, you can stream your own huge files using a Blu-Ray DVD or via a huge movie file located in your computer. Both DVD and multimedia player are popular for delivering high quality video/sound content to an HDTV. A TV station delivers its products much like information is delivered in a computer network. Each USA TV network has 6 MHz of microwave frequency within its designated range to broadcast several streams of content over its channels, (eg multi-casting), using compression to fit it all into its limited 6MHz of microwave bandwidth. The images and sound from the digital camera is wrapped into a mpeg-2 signal for delivered over the network using microwave frequencies, and the picture will be displayed on the HDTV, which has been designed to work natively with a digital signal. There is plenty of change going on in the area of HDTV right now, so I'm hoping I will get the full 10 or 15 years out of my HDTV, before it goes obsolete. LOL Regards, LelandJ Jim Felton wrote: > Leland, go read but thought you might like to see > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_terrestrial_television > > Nucomm and Microwave Radio Corp. (MRC) are the two big players in the > microwave equipment suppliers. They both offer products for Studio to > Transmitter Links (STL) and "Live truck" to station links. There is a > government program being run by Sprint/Nextel to convert all Analog "Live > trucks" to Digital. This was mandated by the FCC about 2 years ago. It > does return part of the spectrum analog microware transmitter currently use > to the government for use in Home Land security and other government > agencies. That project was supposed to be completed by August of this year > but has been extended to I think August of next year. > > Jim > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Leland F. Jackson, CPA > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 1:01 AM > To: ProFox Email List > Subject: Re: [NF] No digital TV signal? > > The below article give a definition of HDTV signal, (eg digital signal), > and how a digital signal can be used to carry more data over a given > microwave frequency bandwidth. > > http://www.howstuffworks.com/framed.htm?parent=dtv.htm&url=http://www.pbs.or > g/opb/crashcourse/digital_v_analog/ > http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/dtv6.htm > > Regards, > > LelandJ > > > > Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote: > >> Yes, Nucomm has a patent for digital transmission over microwave analog, >> if that's what your talking about. I'm not qualified to discuss the >> technicalities of how a digital signal is transmitted, whether from the >> broadcast studio to the microwave tower, or from the microwave tower to >> the TV antenna, or from the TV antenna to the HDTV, or from microwave >> tower to microwave tower, etc.
Re: [NF] No digital TV signal?
If I understand thing correctly, the Japanese TV networks each have 20 MHz of microwave bandwidth, so Japanese TV stations will stream a mirror image of the digital camera's picture over the air, and the Japanese people will have the highest quality TV picture. In America each TV network only has 6 MHz of microwave frequency bandwidth, so the USA has adopted a compressed digital signal. The signal loses quality the more it is compressed, but it reduces the amount of binary data to be processed, as well as the size of the file necessary to hold the binary information. The standard wrapper used in the USA to hold the digital information is mpeg- 2, I believe. I also see mpeg-4 a lot, which also seem to be popular. In the USA the digital signal is compressed. The more the signal is compress the low the quality of the picture, the lower the amount of digital data processed to create the picture, and the smaller the file need to hold a TV program. For better quality HDTV entertainment, you can stream your own huge files using a Blu-Ray DVD or via a huge movie file located in your computer. Both DVD and multimedia player are popular for delivering high quality video/sound content to an HDTV. A TV station delivers its products much like information is delivered in a computer network. Each USA TV network has 6 MHz of microwave frequency within its designated range to broadcast several streams of content over its channels, (eg multi-casting), using compression to fit it all into its limited 6MHz of microwave bandwidth. The images and sound from the digital camera is wrapped into a mpeg-2 signal for delivered over the network using microwave frequencies, and the picture will be displayed on the HDTV, which has been designed to work natively with a digital signal. There is plenty of change going on in the area of HDTV right now, so I'm hoping I will get the full 10 or 15 years out of my HDTV, before it goes obsolete. LOL Regards, LelandJ Jim Felton wrote: > Leland, go read but thought you might like to see > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_terrestrial_television > > Nucomm and Microwave Radio Corp. (MRC) are the two big players in the > microwave equipment suppliers. They both offer products for Studio to > Transmitter Links (STL) and "Live truck" to station links. There is a > government program being run by Sprint/Nextel to convert all Analog "Live > trucks" to Digital. This was mandated by the FCC about 2 years ago. It > does return part of the spectrum analog microware transmitter currently use > to the government for use in Home Land security and other government > agencies. That project was supposed to be completed by August of this year > but has been extended to I think August of next year. > > Jim > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Leland F. Jackson, CPA > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 1:01 AM > To: ProFox Email List > Subject: Re: [NF] No digital TV signal? > > The below article give a definition of HDTV signal, (eg digital signal), > and how a digital signal can be used to carry more data over a given > microwave frequency bandwidth. > > http://www.howstuffworks.com/framed.htm?parent=dtv.htm&url=http://www.pbs.or > g/opb/crashcourse/digital_v_analog/ > http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/dtv6.htm > > Regards, > > LelandJ > > > > Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote: > >> Yes, Nucomm has a patent for digital transmission over microwave analog, >> if that's what your talking about. I'm not qualified to discuss the >> technicalities of how a digital signal is transmitted, whether from the >> broadcast studio to the microwave tower, or from the microwave tower to >> the TV antenna, or from the TV antenna to the HDTV, or from microwave >> tower to microwave tower, etc. There seem to be a lot of R&D in this >> area, so things can change in a hurry. >> >> It does seem that a digital signal is the future for TV, and a high >> definition TV is designed to work natively with a digital signal, so I >> would look closely at the long term cost to purchase a new High >> Definition TV, as opposed tot he long term cost of retrofitting an >> analog TV with a tuner box to convert the digital signal to analog. >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave >> http://www.cnet.com/1990-7874_1-5108854-1.html >> http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/7359450/description.html >> >> > http://blog.digitalcontentproducer.com/briefingroom/2008/05/21/nucomm-wins-p > atent-for-its-cost-effective-digital-transmission-over-microwave-analog-link > -concept/ > >> Regards, >> >> LelandJ >> >>
RE: [NF] No digital TV signal?
Leland, go read but thought you might like to see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_terrestrial_television Nucomm and Microwave Radio Corp. (MRC) are the two big players in the microwave equipment suppliers. They both offer products for Studio to Transmitter Links (STL) and "Live truck" to station links. There is a government program being run by Sprint/Nextel to convert all Analog "Live trucks" to Digital. This was mandated by the FCC about 2 years ago. It does return part of the spectrum analog microware transmitter currently use to the government for use in Home Land security and other government agencies. That project was supposed to be completed by August of this year but has been extended to I think August of next year. Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leland F. Jackson, CPA Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 1:01 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [NF] No digital TV signal? The below article give a definition of HDTV signal, (eg digital signal), and how a digital signal can be used to carry more data over a given microwave frequency bandwidth. http://www.howstuffworks.com/framed.htm?parent=dtv.htm&url=http://www.pbs.or g/opb/crashcourse/digital_v_analog/ http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/dtv6.htm Regards, LelandJ Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote: > Yes, Nucomm has a patent for digital transmission over microwave analog, > if that's what your talking about. I'm not qualified to discuss the > technicalities of how a digital signal is transmitted, whether from the > broadcast studio to the microwave tower, or from the microwave tower to > the TV antenna, or from the TV antenna to the HDTV, or from microwave > tower to microwave tower, etc. There seem to be a lot of R&D in this > area, so things can change in a hurry. > > It does seem that a digital signal is the future for TV, and a high > definition TV is designed to work natively with a digital signal, so I > would look closely at the long term cost to purchase a new High > Definition TV, as opposed tot he long term cost of retrofitting an > analog TV with a tuner box to convert the digital signal to analog. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave > http://www.cnet.com/1990-7874_1-5108854-1.html > http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/7359450/description.html > http://blog.digitalcontentproducer.com/briefingroom/2008/05/21/nucomm-wins-p atent-for-its-cost-effective-digital-transmission-over-microwave-analog-link -concept/ > > Regards, > > LelandJ > > > > > Jim Felton wrote: > >> Leland, the only frequencies being free up are channels 51 to 88. The >> digital transmitters are assigned the current frequencies from channel 2 to >> 50. Not all Analog TV goes Black or off air on Feb 17th, Low power TV >> Stations can continue to transmit for at least 2 years past that date. The >> FCC has not pasted the ruling yet. Come on up to Northern NY and I'll get >> out the frequency analyzer and show what an 8VSB "digital signal" really >> analog signal looks like. Believe me it's an analog FM signal with phase >> encoding in the signal and its still 6 MHz wide, just like analog TV. At >> the station we tell are transmitter engineer he has a High Power Amplifier >> with the Random Bit Generator option, when the transmitter gets out of >> alignment and subcarriers don't sync up. >> >> Jim >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf >> Of Leland F. Jackson, CPA >> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 11:19 PM >> To: ProFox Email List >> Subject: Re: [NF] No digital TV signal? >> >> The electromagnetic field contains ranges of energy, (eg waves or >> frequencies), with various ranges suited to different kinds of energy. >> For example radio, microwaves, lasers beams, TV signals, etc all exist >> within their own electromagnetic frequencies or ranges. >> >> The switch to digital TV in part is to free up a range of >> electromagnetic fields previously used for analog TV, so it can be >> dedicated for use by the government, for example by agencies like >> Homeland Security during an emergency. The government also has sold >> some of the analog frequencies of the private sector. Also, the switch >> to digital TV has to do with improved TV quality for consumers. >> >> A High Definition Television, (eg HDTV), is the product being sold, and >> a digital signal is used to deliver the picture/sound. >> >> An example of a analog system is the use of a modem to modulate and >> demodulate sound over an electric wire. This is an analog system,
Re: [NF] No digital TV signal?
The below article give a definition of HDTV signal, (eg digital signal), and how a digital signal can be used to carry more data over a given microwave frequency bandwidth. http://www.howstuffworks.com/framed.htm?parent=dtv.htm&url=http://www.pbs.org/opb/crashcourse/digital_v_analog/ http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/dtv6.htm Regards, LelandJ Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote: > Yes, Nucomm has a patent for digital transmission over microwave analog, > if that's what your talking about. I'm not qualified to discuss the > technicalities of how a digital signal is transmitted, whether from the > broadcast studio to the microwave tower, or from the microwave tower to > the TV antenna, or from the TV antenna to the HDTV, or from microwave > tower to microwave tower, etc. There seem to be a lot of R&D in this > area, so things can change in a hurry. > > It does seem that a digital signal is the future for TV, and a high > definition TV is designed to work natively with a digital signal, so I > would look closely at the long term cost to purchase a new High > Definition TV, as opposed tot he long term cost of retrofitting an > analog TV with a tuner box to convert the digital signal to analog. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave > http://www.cnet.com/1990-7874_1-5108854-1.html > http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/7359450/description.html > http://blog.digitalcontentproducer.com/briefingroom/2008/05/21/nucomm-wins-patent-for-its-cost-effective-digital-transmission-over-microwave-analog-link-concept/ > > Regards, > > LelandJ > > > > > Jim Felton wrote: > >> Leland, the only frequencies being free up are channels 51 to 88. The >> digital transmitters are assigned the current frequencies from channel 2 to >> 50. Not all Analog TV goes Black or off air on Feb 17th, Low power TV >> Stations can continue to transmit for at least 2 years past that date. The >> FCC has not pasted the ruling yet. Come on up to Northern NY and I'll get >> out the frequency analyzer and show what an 8VSB "digital signal" really >> analog signal looks like. Believe me it's an analog FM signal with phase >> encoding in the signal and its still 6 MHz wide, just like analog TV. At >> the station we tell are transmitter engineer he has a High Power Amplifier >> with the Random Bit Generator option, when the transmitter gets out of >> alignment and subcarriers don't sync up. >> >> Jim >> >> -----Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf >> Of Leland F. Jackson, CPA >> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 11:19 PM >> To: ProFox Email List >> Subject: Re: [NF] No digital TV signal? >> >> The electromagnetic field contains ranges of energy, (eg waves or >> frequencies), with various ranges suited to different kinds of energy. >> For example radio, microwaves, lasers beams, TV signals, etc all exist >> within their own electromagnetic frequencies or ranges. >> >> The switch to digital TV in part is to free up a range of >> electromagnetic fields previously used for analog TV, so it can be >> dedicated for use by the government, for example by agencies like >> Homeland Security during an emergency. The government also has sold >> some of the analog frequencies of the private sector. Also, the switch >> to digital TV has to do with improved TV quality for consumers. >> >> A High Definition Television, (eg HDTV), is the product being sold, and >> a digital signal is used to deliver the picture/sound. >> >> An example of a analog system is the use of a modem to modulate and >> demodulate sound over an electric wire. This is an analog system, >> because it requires the communications to be modulated and demodulated >> using sounds, much like people talking on the phone. The numbers and >> letters of the alphabet that are represented by a string of 8 bits of 1s >> and 0s, or ons or offs, etc are carried over the wires between two >> computers via sounds. >> >> In a digital system, the 1s and 0s, or ons and offs, do not have to be >> modulated and demodulated into an analog signal. The 1 and 0, or the >> ons and offs exist in a pure energy state and are transmitted through >> space, like between two microwave towers or via pure light over fiber >> optic cables. >> >> The new HDTV are designed to work with a digital signal, but during the >> transition to digital TV, all newer HDTVs come with a tuner that allows >> the HDTV to show an analog channel. I suppose the tuner will become >> irrelevant af
Re: [NF] No digital TV signal?
Yes, Nucomm has a patent for digital transmission over microwave analog, if that's what your talking about. I'm not qualified to discuss the technicalities of how a digital signal is transmitted, whether from the broadcast studio to the microwave tower, or from the microwave tower to the TV antenna, or from the TV antenna to the HDTV, or from microwave tower to microwave tower, etc. There seem to be a lot of R&D in this area, so things can change in a hurry. It does seem that a digital signal is the future for TV, and a high definition TV is designed to work natively with a digital signal, so I would look closely at the long term cost to purchase a new High Definition TV, as opposed tot he long term cost of retrofitting an analog TV with a tuner box to convert the digital signal to analog. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave http://www.cnet.com/1990-7874_1-5108854-1.html http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/7359450/description.html http://blog.digitalcontentproducer.com/briefingroom/2008/05/21/nucomm-wins-patent-for-its-cost-effective-digital-transmission-over-microwave-analog-link-concept/ Regards, LelandJ Jim Felton wrote: > Leland, the only frequencies being free up are channels 51 to 88. The > digital transmitters are assigned the current frequencies from channel 2 to > 50. Not all Analog TV goes Black or off air on Feb 17th, Low power TV > Stations can continue to transmit for at least 2 years past that date. The > FCC has not pasted the ruling yet. Come on up to Northern NY and I'll get > out the frequency analyzer and show what an 8VSB "digital signal" really > analog signal looks like. Believe me it's an analog FM signal with phase > encoding in the signal and its still 6 MHz wide, just like analog TV. At > the station we tell are transmitter engineer he has a High Power Amplifier > with the Random Bit Generator option, when the transmitter gets out of > alignment and subcarriers don't sync up. > > Jim > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Leland F. Jackson, CPA > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 11:19 PM > To: ProFox Email List > Subject: Re: [NF] No digital TV signal? > > The electromagnetic field contains ranges of energy, (eg waves or > frequencies), with various ranges suited to different kinds of energy. > For example radio, microwaves, lasers beams, TV signals, etc all exist > within their own electromagnetic frequencies or ranges. > > The switch to digital TV in part is to free up a range of > electromagnetic fields previously used for analog TV, so it can be > dedicated for use by the government, for example by agencies like > Homeland Security during an emergency. The government also has sold > some of the analog frequencies of the private sector. Also, the switch > to digital TV has to do with improved TV quality for consumers. > > A High Definition Television, (eg HDTV), is the product being sold, and > a digital signal is used to deliver the picture/sound. > > An example of a analog system is the use of a modem to modulate and > demodulate sound over an electric wire. This is an analog system, > because it requires the communications to be modulated and demodulated > using sounds, much like people talking on the phone. The numbers and > letters of the alphabet that are represented by a string of 8 bits of 1s > and 0s, or ons or offs, etc are carried over the wires between two > computers via sounds. > > In a digital system, the 1s and 0s, or ons and offs, do not have to be > modulated and demodulated into an analog signal. The 1 and 0, or the > ons and offs exist in a pure energy state and are transmitted through > space, like between two microwave towers or via pure light over fiber > optic cables. > > The new HDTV are designed to work with a digital signal, but during the > transition to digital TV, all newer HDTVs come with a tuner that allows > the HDTV to show an analog channel. I suppose the tuner will become > irrelevant after Feb 19, 2009 for anyone with a HDTV, as all TV will be > delivered via a digital signal, so anyone that still has an analog TV > will need a tuner to change the digital signal into an analog one. > > Regards, > > LelandJ > > > > > > > > Pete Theisen wrote: > >> Stephen Russell wrote: >> >> >>> On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:33 PM, Jerry Wolper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> > wrote: > >>> >>> >>>>> don't you need a digital antenna too? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> No. The bowtie/halo part of the antenna should get the digital signal >>
RE: [NF] No digital TV signal?
Leland, the only frequencies being free up are channels 51 to 88. The digital transmitters are assigned the current frequencies from channel 2 to 50. Not all Analog TV goes Black or off air on Feb 17th, Low power TV Stations can continue to transmit for at least 2 years past that date. The FCC has not pasted the ruling yet. Come on up to Northern NY and I'll get out the frequency analyzer and show what an 8VSB "digital signal" really analog signal looks like. Believe me it's an analog FM signal with phase encoding in the signal and its still 6 MHz wide, just like analog TV. At the station we tell are transmitter engineer he has a High Power Amplifier with the Random Bit Generator option, when the transmitter gets out of alignment and subcarriers don't sync up. Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leland F. Jackson, CPA Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 11:19 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [NF] No digital TV signal? The electromagnetic field contains ranges of energy, (eg waves or frequencies), with various ranges suited to different kinds of energy. For example radio, microwaves, lasers beams, TV signals, etc all exist within their own electromagnetic frequencies or ranges. The switch to digital TV in part is to free up a range of electromagnetic fields previously used for analog TV, so it can be dedicated for use by the government, for example by agencies like Homeland Security during an emergency. The government also has sold some of the analog frequencies of the private sector. Also, the switch to digital TV has to do with improved TV quality for consumers. A High Definition Television, (eg HDTV), is the product being sold, and a digital signal is used to deliver the picture/sound. An example of a analog system is the use of a modem to modulate and demodulate sound over an electric wire. This is an analog system, because it requires the communications to be modulated and demodulated using sounds, much like people talking on the phone. The numbers and letters of the alphabet that are represented by a string of 8 bits of 1s and 0s, or ons or offs, etc are carried over the wires between two computers via sounds. In a digital system, the 1s and 0s, or ons and offs, do not have to be modulated and demodulated into an analog signal. The 1 and 0, or the ons and offs exist in a pure energy state and are transmitted through space, like between two microwave towers or via pure light over fiber optic cables. The new HDTV are designed to work with a digital signal, but during the transition to digital TV, all newer HDTVs come with a tuner that allows the HDTV to show an analog channel. I suppose the tuner will become irrelevant after Feb 19, 2009 for anyone with a HDTV, as all TV will be delivered via a digital signal, so anyone that still has an analog TV will need a tuner to change the digital signal into an analog one. Regards, LelandJ Pete Theisen wrote: > Stephen Russell wrote: > >> On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:33 PM, Jerry Wolper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>>> don't you need a digital antenna too? >>>> >>> No. The bowtie/halo part of the antenna should get the digital signal >>> that's broadcast on UHF. It's an all-or-nothing proposition, though. >>> Weak signals that came in poorly in analog won't come in at all >>> digitally. >>> >> --- >> >> Well it is all on the location of the towers. If the new digital ones >> are closer it will be better. My dad found that the digital reception >> was much better than the traditional because the digital towers were >> close to his house and the old ones were on the other side of town. >> Roswell NM. >> > > Hi Stephen! > > I think the same tower will host the digital signal. Florida companies > are too cheap to do anything else. > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] No digital TV signal?
On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:01:53 -0400, "Jim Felton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Mike just so you know, the digital signal your talking about isn't really > digital. It is actually an 8VSB analog signal with digital data encoded > in > 8 subcarriers that have to synchronize as a single block to be received > as > data. You are right that there is On/Off relationship in the encoding of > the data stream (Spec. 292) that is feed into the transmitter, but that > is > more or less the end of the digital part until it is received and decoder > by > your receiver/TV at which time it become digital again to be processed by > decompression algorithm in the receiver and then guess what it goes back > to > analog if you have a TV with a picture tube. > My head hurts now. -- Alan Bourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] No digital TV signal?
The electromagnetic field contains ranges of energy, (eg waves or frequencies), with various ranges suited to different kinds of energy. For example radio, microwaves, lasers beams, TV signals, etc all exist within their own electromagnetic frequencies or ranges. The switch to digital TV in part is to free up a range of electromagnetic fields previously used for analog TV, so it can be dedicated for use by the government, for example by agencies like Homeland Security during an emergency. The government also has sold some of the analog frequencies of the private sector. Also, the switch to digital TV has to do with improved TV quality for consumers. A High Definition Television, (eg HDTV), is the product being sold, and a digital signal is used to deliver the picture/sound. An example of a analog system is the use of a modem to modulate and demodulate sound over an electric wire. This is an analog system, because it requires the communications to be modulated and demodulated using sounds, much like people talking on the phone. The numbers and letters of the alphabet that are represented by a string of 8 bits of 1s and 0s, or ons or offs, etc are carried over the wires between two computers via sounds. In a digital system, the 1s and 0s, or ons and offs, do not have to be modulated and demodulated into an analog signal. The 1 and 0, or the ons and offs exist in a pure energy state and are transmitted through space, like between two microwave towers or via pure light over fiber optic cables. The new HDTV are designed to work with a digital signal, but during the transition to digital TV, all newer HDTVs come with a tuner that allows the HDTV to show an analog channel. I suppose the tuner will become irrelevant after Feb 19, 2009 for anyone with a HDTV, as all TV will be delivered via a digital signal, so anyone that still has an analog TV will need a tuner to change the digital signal into an analog one. Regards, LelandJ Pete Theisen wrote: > Stephen Russell wrote: > >> On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:33 PM, Jerry Wolper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> don't you need a digital antenna too? >>> No. The bowtie/halo part of the antenna should get the digital signal >>> that's broadcast on UHF. It's an all-or-nothing proposition, though. >>> Weak signals that came in poorly in analog won't come in at all >>> digitally. >>> >> --- >> >> Well it is all on the location of the towers. If the new digital ones >> are closer it will be better. My dad found that the digital reception >> was much better than the traditional because the digital towers were >> close to his house and the old ones were on the other side of town. >> Roswell NM. >> > > Hi Stephen! > > I think the same tower will host the digital signal. Florida companies > are too cheap to do anything else. > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] No digital TV signal?
Isn't Roswell where all that UFO stuff happened? I remember than the first 'cable TV' in that area came from Roswell as they had the tallest man made tower in the world (many years ago). They could pick up signals from Amarillo, Tx and Albuquerque, NM and 'big cities' like that. - Original Message - From: "Stephen Russell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "ProFox Email List" Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:34 PM Subject: Re: [NF] No digital TV signal? On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:33 PM, Jerry Wolper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> don't you need a digital antenna too? > > No. The bowtie/halo part of the antenna should get the digital signal > that's broadcast on UHF. It's an all-or-nothing proposition, though. > Weak signals that came in poorly in analog won't come in at all > digitally. --- Well it is all on the location of the towers. If the new digital ones are closer it will be better. My dad found that the digital reception was much better than the traditional because the digital towers were close to his house and the old ones were on the other side of town. Roswell NM. -- Stephen Russell Sr. Production Systems Programmer Mimeo.com Memphis TN 901.246-0159 [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] No digital TV signal?
In fact an absolutely digital signal may not even be possible. Even in fiber optic cables, if you had a machine capable of analyzing the signal, you would find that the light does not appear 'instantly', but rather starts at a lower level than the final '1' signal. Of course, if you go low enough, maybe the light either exists or it does not exist (a true digital signal). The question is whether you could create a receiver sensitive enough to detect a single photon at any distance. How could you create a single photon in a controlled manner so it could carry information? Even light is a 'wave' which is analog by definition. Those pictures you see in the books with the square shapes on the 'wave' probably are an artist's depiction, not a picture of the actual wave. But I could be wrong as I have not actually seen a single photon - or maybe I have? - Original Message - From: "Jim Felton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'ProFox Email List'" Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:01 PM Subject: RE: [NF] No digital TV signal? Mike just so you know, the digital signal your talking about isn't really digital. It is actually an 8VSB analog signal with digital data encoded in 8 subcarriers that have to synchronize as a single block to be received as data. You are right that there is On/Off relationship in the encoding of the data stream (Spec. 292) that is feed into the transmitter, but that is more or less the end of the digital part until it is received and decoder by your receiver/TV at which time it become digital again to be processed by decompression algorithm in the receiver and then guess what it goes back to analog if you have a TV with a picture tube. Good luck with the class. Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 12:09 AM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] No digital TV signal? Analog signals that come in weak will be seen as fussy, or not at all. Digital signals that come in weak will be able to be readjusted to look 100 percent perfect when initially sent out because of how digital signals are broadcasted / made. I am studying it in networking 101 right now. With digital, the signal is either on (1) or off (0)n therefore when the signal is recieved, if there is any signal measuring above (zero) then it is viewed as a on (1). If you want me to get into the science behind the digital signals, let me know and i will go more in depth. Mike Wohlrab Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: "Charles Hart Enzer, M.D., FAACAP" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:33:26 To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [NF] No digital TV signal? You don't need a digital antenna. The website below answered all of my questions; especially, since my signals come from three different compass points. To get all of the compass points without having to turn the indoor antenna, I got a GE Amplified Quantum Antenna #24775. From Froogle: http://www.google.com/products?q=Quantum+Antenna+%2324775&btnG=Search+Produc ts&scoring=p It has three panels so I was able to capture signals from three compass points up to 26 miles from me. My suggestion: try your current antenna first. Analog drops dead at midnight on February 17, 2009. All full-power television stations in the United States will stop broadcasting in analog and switch to 100% digital broadcasting. At 10:42 PM 10/29/2008, you wrote: >Check out this website: >http://www.antennaweb.org > >Enter your address (you don't need to enter your name) and it will tell >you where the closest broadcasting stations are. > >I helped my neighbor hook up a large antenna inside his attic (HOA won't >let us put one on our roof) and we did some tests. We then hooked up a >signal booster very close to the antenna (within 5') and re-tested. The >improvement was remarkable. These boosters need some power, but he had >an outlet in his attic that also ran his furnace. > >The booster would not work as well if placed closer to his "digital to >analog converter" box. Having the booster closer to the antenna is key. > >HTH, >-Kevin >CULLY Technologies, LLC > > >Pete Theisen wrote: > > Hi Everybody! > > > > I popped 10 bucks and the government coupon for a digital TV converter. > > I hooked it all up and there is no signal. Of course, there was no > > analog reception to speak of. > > > > Aren't all the TV stations broadcasting digital by now? > > > [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this l
Re: [NF] No digital TV signal?
Do a google on it. You should be able to find some prices around $25 and some reviews. I picked mine up a Wal*Mart for $31.87 which includes a 8.25% sales tax. Regards, LelandJ Pete Theisen wrote: > Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote: > >> I've had good luck with the Philips mant510 antenna. It has 50dB >> Amplification. It is an indoor antenna and works with VHF, UHF, FM, and >> HDTV digital. >> >> http://www.p4c.philips.com/files/s/sdv2510_27/sdv2510_27_pss_aen.pdf >> >> or >> >> http://tinyurl.com/5nzdx2 >> > > Hi Leland! > > Looks expensive. What did it run you? > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] No digital TV signal?
http://www.google.com/products?q=sdv2510 * Barack Obama Antichrist gear http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike --- On Thu, 10/30/08, Pete Theisen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Pete Theisen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [NF] No digital TV signal? > To: "ProFox Email List" > Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 9:57 PM > Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote: > > I've had good luck with the Philips mant510 > antenna. It has 50dB > > Amplification. It is an indoor antenna and works with > VHF, UHF, FM, and > > HDTV digital. > > > > > http://www.p4c.philips.com/files/s/sdv2510_27/sdv2510_27_pss_aen.pdf > > > > or > > > > http://tinyurl.com/5nzdx2 > > Hi Leland! > > Looks expensive. What did it run you? > -- > Regards, > > Pete > http://pete-theisen.com/ > > > ___ > Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com > Subscription Maintenance: > http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox > OT-free version of this list: > http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech > Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox > This message: > http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are > the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or > medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for > those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] No digital TV signal?
Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote: > I've had good luck with the Philips mant510 antenna. It has 50dB > Amplification. It is an indoor antenna and works with VHF, UHF, FM, and > HDTV digital. > > http://www.p4c.philips.com/files/s/sdv2510_27/sdv2510_27_pss_aen.pdf > > or > > http://tinyurl.com/5nzdx2 Hi Leland! Looks expensive. What did it run you? -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] No digital TV signal?
Stephen Russell wrote: > On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:33 PM, Jerry Wolper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> don't you need a digital antenna too? >> No. The bowtie/halo part of the antenna should get the digital signal >> that's broadcast on UHF. It's an all-or-nothing proposition, though. >> Weak signals that came in poorly in analog won't come in at all >> digitally. > --- > > Well it is all on the location of the towers. If the new digital ones > are closer it will be better. My dad found that the digital reception > was much better than the traditional because the digital towers were > close to his house and the old ones were on the other side of town. > Roswell NM. Hi Stephen! I think the same tower will host the digital signal. Florida companies are too cheap to do anything else. -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] No digital TV signal?
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:33 PM, Jerry Wolper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> don't you need a digital antenna too? > > No. The bowtie/halo part of the antenna should get the digital signal > that's broadcast on UHF. It's an all-or-nothing proposition, though. > Weak signals that came in poorly in analog won't come in at all > digitally. --- Well it is all on the location of the towers. If the new digital ones are closer it will be better. My dad found that the digital reception was much better than the traditional because the digital towers were close to his house and the old ones were on the other side of town. Roswell NM. -- Stephen Russell Sr. Production Systems Programmer Mimeo.com Memphis TN 901.246-0159 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] No digital TV signal?
Mike just so you know, the digital signal your talking about isn't really digital. It is actually an 8VSB analog signal with digital data encoded in 8 subcarriers that have to synchronize as a single block to be received as data. You are right that there is On/Off relationship in the encoding of the data stream (Spec. 292) that is feed into the transmitter, but that is more or less the end of the digital part until it is received and decoder by your receiver/TV at which time it become digital again to be processed by decompression algorithm in the receiver and then guess what it goes back to analog if you have a TV with a picture tube. Good luck with the class. Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 12:09 AM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] No digital TV signal? Analog signals that come in weak will be seen as fussy, or not at all. Digital signals that come in weak will be able to be readjusted to look 100 percent perfect when initially sent out because of how digital signals are broadcasted / made. I am studying it in networking 101 right now. With digital, the signal is either on (1) or off (0)n therefore when the signal is recieved, if there is any signal measuring above (zero) then it is viewed as a on (1). If you want me to get into the science behind the digital signals, let me know and i will go more in depth. Mike Wohlrab Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: "Charles Hart Enzer, M.D., FAACAP" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:33:26 To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [NF] No digital TV signal? You don't need a digital antenna. The website below answered all of my questions; especially, since my signals come from three different compass points. To get all of the compass points without having to turn the indoor antenna, I got a GE Amplified Quantum Antenna #24775. From Froogle: http://www.google.com/products?q=Quantum+Antenna+%2324775&btnG=Search+Produc ts&scoring=p It has three panels so I was able to capture signals from three compass points up to 26 miles from me. My suggestion: try your current antenna first. Analog drops dead at midnight on February 17, 2009. All full-power television stations in the United States will stop broadcasting in analog and switch to 100% digital broadcasting. At 10:42 PM 10/29/2008, you wrote: >Check out this website: >http://www.antennaweb.org > >Enter your address (you don't need to enter your name) and it will tell >you where the closest broadcasting stations are. > >I helped my neighbor hook up a large antenna inside his attic (HOA won't >let us put one on our roof) and we did some tests. We then hooked up a >signal booster very close to the antenna (within 5') and re-tested. The >improvement was remarkable. These boosters need some power, but he had >an outlet in his attic that also ran his furnace. > >The booster would not work as well if placed closer to his "digital to >analog converter" box. Having the booster closer to the antenna is key. > >HTH, >-Kevin >CULLY Technologies, LLC > > >Pete Theisen wrote: > > Hi Everybody! > > > > I popped 10 bucks and the government coupon for a digital TV converter. > > I hooked it all up and there is no signal. Of course, there was no > > analog reception to speak of. > > > > Aren't all the TV stations broadcasting digital by now? > > > [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] No digital TV signal?
I've had good luck with the Philips mant510 antenna. It has 50dB Amplification. It is an indoor antenna and works with VHF, UHF, FM, and HDTV digital. http://www.p4c.philips.com/files/s/sdv2510_27/sdv2510_27_pss_aen.pdf or http://tinyurl.com/5nzdx2 Regards, LelandJ Pete Theisen wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Analog signals that come in weak will be seen as fussy, or not at all. >> Digital signals that come in weak will be able to be readjusted to look 100 >> percent perfect when initially sent out because of how digital signals are >> broadcasted / made. I am studying it in networking 101 right now. With >> digital, the signal is either on (1) or off (0)n therefore when the signal >> is recieved, if there is any signal measuring above (zero) then it is viewed >> as a on (1). >> >> If you want me to get into the science behind the digital signals, let me >> know and i will go more in depth. >> >> You don't need a digital antenna. >> >> The website below answered all of my questions; especially, since my >> signals come from three different compass points. >> >> To get all of the compass points without having to turn the indoor >> antenna, I got a GE Amplified Quantum Antenna #24775. >> >> From Froogle: >> >> http://www.google.com/products?q=Quantum+Antenna+%2324775&btnG=Search+Products&scoring=p >> >> It has three panels so I was able to capture signals from three >> compass points up to 26 miles from me. >> >> My suggestion: try your current antenna first. >> >> Analog drops dead at midnight on February 17, 2009. All full-power >> television stations in the United States will stop broadcasting in >> analog and switch to 100% digital broadcasting. >> >> At 10:42 PM 10/29/2008, you wrote: >> >>> Check out this website: >>> > > >>> http://www.antennaweb.org >>> >>> Enter your address (you don't need to enter your name) and it will tell >>> you where the closest broadcasting stations are. >>> >>> I helped my neighbor hook up a large antenna inside his attic (HOA won't >>> let us put one on our roof) and we did some tests. We then hooked up a >>> signal booster very close to the antenna (within 5') and re-tested. The >>> improvement was remarkable. These boosters need some power, but he had >>> an outlet in his attic that also ran his furnace. >>> >>> The booster would not work as well if placed closer to his "digital to >>> analog converter" box. Having the booster closer to the antenna is key. >>> > > Hi Guys! > > Thanks for all the responses. The antenna I am using is an amplified > rabbit ear affair like this one (same model, not my photo), this is > maybe 10 years old. > > http://madison.craigslist.org/ele/876809215.html > > The ring turns and that knob in front of the ring also turns 360 but > there seems to be no precise index, just a line on the knob and 12 lines > on the case for maybe 60 clicks. It worked a few months ago on a small > portable in the kitchen but never in the living room where I would like > to use it. I have a Sperry SP-5A meter but I don't know if that would > tell me anything or what I should measure if it would. > > Of course, if there is no signal to receive that would explain it. I > can't determine if any of our local stations are broadcasting digital or > not. As it is, I have been getting all the news I get from the horrible > local papers and on the web. > > On the antenna web thing I put in the zip code and they come back with a > screen that they want your whole address. If you do put in the address > and uncheck the box for sending you ads they put you in a loop that > doesn't tell you anything so who knows? I haven't tried clearing my > private data and rebooting to get out of the loop but it seems that this > would be the only way. > > That three panel GE antenna looks interesting. Haven't seen any of those > in the local stores though, so perhaps they don't work around here. I am > so close to downtown that there is a lot of ghosting and snow on analog. > > The roof over my unit hosts several huge ac units which I am sure do not > help. The insulation on the walls and ceiling has a lot of aluminum foil > on it which may also block the signal, not that there is much signal anyway. > > Everybody around here uses cable but that is about $70 to $150 a month > and I don't have that kind of money to spare from my slim Social > Security check. The people who have cable pay for the cable and still > get all the ads, how messed up is that? The broadcast stations get paid > for their signal from the cable companies, so they have an incentive to > cut the broadcast power so people have to pay. > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this lis
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Analog signals that come in weak will be seen as fussy, or not at all. > Digital signals that come in weak will be able to be readjusted to look 100 > percent perfect when initially sent out because of how digital signals are > broadcasted / made. I am studying it in networking 101 right now. With > digital, the signal is either on (1) or off (0)n therefore when the signal is > recieved, if there is any signal measuring above (zero) then it is viewed as > a on (1). > > If you want me to get into the science behind the digital signals, let me > know and i will go more in depth. > > You don't need a digital antenna. > > The website below answered all of my questions; especially, since my > signals come from three different compass points. > > To get all of the compass points without having to turn the indoor > antenna, I got a GE Amplified Quantum Antenna #24775. > > From Froogle: > > http://www.google.com/products?q=Quantum+Antenna+%2324775&btnG=Search+Products&scoring=p > > It has three panels so I was able to capture signals from three > compass points up to 26 miles from me. > > My suggestion: try your current antenna first. > > Analog drops dead at midnight on February 17, 2009. All full-power > television stations in the United States will stop broadcasting in > analog and switch to 100% digital broadcasting. > > At 10:42 PM 10/29/2008, you wrote: >> Check out this website: >> http://www.antennaweb.org >> >> Enter your address (you don't need to enter your name) and it will tell >> you where the closest broadcasting stations are. >> >> I helped my neighbor hook up a large antenna inside his attic (HOA won't >> let us put one on our roof) and we did some tests. We then hooked up a >> signal booster very close to the antenna (within 5') and re-tested. The >> improvement was remarkable. These boosters need some power, but he had >> an outlet in his attic that also ran his furnace. >> >> The booster would not work as well if placed closer to his "digital to >> analog converter" box. Having the booster closer to the antenna is key. Hi Guys! Thanks for all the responses. The antenna I am using is an amplified rabbit ear affair like this one (same model, not my photo), this is maybe 10 years old. http://madison.craigslist.org/ele/876809215.html The ring turns and that knob in front of the ring also turns 360 but there seems to be no precise index, just a line on the knob and 12 lines on the case for maybe 60 clicks. It worked a few months ago on a small portable in the kitchen but never in the living room where I would like to use it. I have a Sperry SP-5A meter but I don't know if that would tell me anything or what I should measure if it would. Of course, if there is no signal to receive that would explain it. I can't determine if any of our local stations are broadcasting digital or not. As it is, I have been getting all the news I get from the horrible local papers and on the web. On the antenna web thing I put in the zip code and they come back with a screen that they want your whole address. If you do put in the address and uncheck the box for sending you ads they put you in a loop that doesn't tell you anything so who knows? I haven't tried clearing my private data and rebooting to get out of the loop but it seems that this would be the only way. That three panel GE antenna looks interesting. Haven't seen any of those in the local stores though, so perhaps they don't work around here. I am so close to downtown that there is a lot of ghosting and snow on analog. The roof over my unit hosts several huge ac units which I am sure do not help. The insulation on the walls and ceiling has a lot of aluminum foil on it which may also block the signal, not that there is much signal anyway. Everybody around here uses cable but that is about $70 to $150 a month and I don't have that kind of money to spare from my slim Social Security check. The people who have cable pay for the cable and still get all the ads, how messed up is that? The broadcast stations get paid for their signal from the cable companies, so they have an incentive to cut the broadcast power so people have to pay. -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] No digital TV signal?
Analog signals that come in weak will be seen as fussy, or not at all. Digital signals that come in weak will be able to be readjusted to look 100 percent perfect when initially sent out because of how digital signals are broadcasted / made. I am studying it in networking 101 right now. With digital, the signal is either on (1) or off (0)n therefore when the signal is recieved, if there is any signal measuring above (zero) then it is viewed as a on (1). If you want me to get into the science behind the digital signals, let me know and i will go more in depth. Mike Wohlrab Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: "Charles Hart Enzer, M.D., FAACAP" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:33:26 To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [NF] No digital TV signal? You don't need a digital antenna. The website below answered all of my questions; especially, since my signals come from three different compass points. To get all of the compass points without having to turn the indoor antenna, I got a GE Amplified Quantum Antenna #24775. From Froogle: http://www.google.com/products?q=Quantum+Antenna+%2324775&btnG=Search+Products&scoring=p It has three panels so I was able to capture signals from three compass points up to 26 miles from me. My suggestion: try your current antenna first. Analog drops dead at midnight on February 17, 2009. All full-power television stations in the United States will stop broadcasting in analog and switch to 100% digital broadcasting. At 10:42 PM 10/29/2008, you wrote: >Check out this website: >http://www.antennaweb.org > >Enter your address (you don't need to enter your name) and it will tell >you where the closest broadcasting stations are. > >I helped my neighbor hook up a large antenna inside his attic (HOA won't >let us put one on our roof) and we did some tests. We then hooked up a >signal booster very close to the antenna (within 5') and re-tested. The >improvement was remarkable. These boosters need some power, but he had >an outlet in his attic that also ran his furnace. > >The booster would not work as well if placed closer to his "digital to >analog converter" box. Having the booster closer to the antenna is key. > >HTH, >-Kevin >CULLY Technologies, LLC > > >Pete Theisen wrote: > > Hi Everybody! > > > > I popped 10 bucks and the government coupon for a digital TV converter. > > I hooked it all up and there is no signal. Of course, there was no > > analog reception to speak of. > > > > Aren't all the TV stations broadcasting digital by now? > > > [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. Report [OT] Abuse: http://leafe.com/reportAbuse/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] No digital TV signal?
You don't need a digital antenna. The website below answered all of my questions; especially, since my signals come from three different compass points. To get all of the compass points without having to turn the indoor antenna, I got a GE Amplified Quantum Antenna #24775. From Froogle: http://www.google.com/products?q=Quantum+Antenna+%2324775&btnG=Search+Products&scoring=p It has three panels so I was able to capture signals from three compass points up to 26 miles from me. My suggestion: try your current antenna first. Analog drops dead at midnight on February 17, 2009. All full-power television stations in the United States will stop broadcasting in analog and switch to 100% digital broadcasting. At 10:42 PM 10/29/2008, you wrote: >Check out this website: >http://www.antennaweb.org > >Enter your address (you don't need to enter your name) and it will tell >you where the closest broadcasting stations are. > >I helped my neighbor hook up a large antenna inside his attic (HOA won't >let us put one on our roof) and we did some tests. We then hooked up a >signal booster very close to the antenna (within 5') and re-tested. The >improvement was remarkable. These boosters need some power, but he had >an outlet in his attic that also ran his furnace. > >The booster would not work as well if placed closer to his "digital to >analog converter" box. Having the booster closer to the antenna is key. > >HTH, >-Kevin >CULLY Technologies, LLC > > >Pete Theisen wrote: > > Hi Everybody! > > > > I popped 10 bucks and the government coupon for a digital TV converter. > > I hooked it all up and there is no signal. Of course, there was no > > analog reception to speak of. > > > > Aren't all the TV stations broadcasting digital by now? > > > [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] No digital TV signal?
Supposedly the video quality off the air is supposed to be superior to cable because of the cable compression. I can't see me putting a tv antenna on the roof again, however. --- On Wed, 10/29/08, Jerry Wolper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Jerry Wolper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [NF] No digital TV signal? > To: profox@leafe.com > Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 11:33 PM > > don't you need a digital antenna too? > > No. The bowtie/halo part of the antenna should get the > digital signal > that's broadcast on UHF. It's an all-or-nothing > proposition, though. > Weak signals that came in poorly in analog won't come > in at all > digitally. > > -Jerry Wolper > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ___ > Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com > Subscription Maintenance: > http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox > OT-free version of this list: > http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech > Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox > This message: > http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are > the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or > medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for > those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] No digital TV signal?
> don't you need a digital antenna too? No. The bowtie/halo part of the antenna should get the digital signal that's broadcast on UHF. It's an all-or-nothing proposition, though. Weak signals that came in poorly in analog won't come in at all digitally. -Jerry Wolper [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] No digital TV signal?
Check out this website: http://www.antennaweb.org Enter your address (you don't need to enter your name) and it will tell you where the closest broadcasting stations are. I helped my neighbor hook up a large antenna inside his attic (HOA won't let us put one on our roof) and we did some tests. We then hooked up a signal booster very close to the antenna (within 5') and re-tested. The improvement was remarkable. These boosters need some power, but he had an outlet in his attic that also ran his furnace. The booster would not work as well if placed closer to his "digital to analog converter" box. Having the booster closer to the antenna is key. HTH, -Kevin CULLY Technologies, LLC Pete Theisen wrote: > Hi Everybody! > > I popped 10 bucks and the government coupon for a digital TV converter. > I hooked it all up and there is no signal. Of course, there was no > analog reception to speak of. > > Aren't all the TV stations broadcasting digital by now? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] No digital TV signal?
don't you need a digital antenna too? * Barack Obama Antichrist gear http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike --- On Wed, 10/29/08, Larry Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Larry Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [NF] No digital TV signal? > To: "ProFox Email List" > Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 9:22 PM > That will be sometime in Feb. > > Larry Miller > > > - Original Message - > From: Pete Theisen > To: ProFox Email List > Sent: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 00:59:41 + (UTC) > Subject: [NF] No digital TV signal? > > Hi Everybody! > > I popped 10 bucks and the government coupon for a digital > TV converter. > I hooked it all up and there is no signal. Of course, there > was no > analog reception to speak of. > > Aren't all the TV stations broadcasting digital by now? > -- > Regards, > > Pete > http://pete-theisen.com/ > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > > ___ > Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com > Subscription Maintenance: > http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox > OT-free version of this list: > http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech > Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox > This message: > http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are > the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or > medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for > those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] No digital TV signal?
That will be sometime in Feb. Larry Miller - Original Message - From: Pete Theisen To: ProFox Email List Sent: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 00:59:41 + (UTC) Subject: [NF] No digital TV signal? Hi Everybody! I popped 10 bucks and the government coupon for a digital TV converter. I hooked it all up and there is no signal. Of course, there was no analog reception to speak of. Aren't all the TV stations broadcasting digital by now? -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] No digital TV signal?
Nope, they dont have to broadcast in digital until feb 2009 --Original Message-- From: Pete Theisen Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ReplyTo: profox@leafe.com Subject: [NF] No digital TV signal? Sent: Oct 29, 2008 8:59 PM Hi Everybody! I popped 10 bucks and the government coupon for a digital TV converter. I hooked it all up and there is no signal. Of course, there was no analog reception to speak of. Aren't all the TV stations broadcasting digital by now? -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. Report [OT] Abuse: http://leafe.com/reportAbuse/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
