Re: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?
On 12/12/06, Stephen the Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> I was not aware of the PostgreSQL situation and would look to that as > >> a starting point. Unfortunately you don't find that listed as a > >> database for Hosted Servers frequently. > > I don't know how many you think you need, but there's a list on the PostgreSQL site: www.postgresql.org/support/professional_hosting -- Ted Roche Ted Roche & Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?
At 09:26 PM 12/12/2006 -0600, Stephen the Cook wrote: Steven, have you been drinking heavily this morning? >Eugene Vital <> wrote: > > > Actually if you Google it you find quite a few. > >What? http://tinyurl.com/ynctz5 shows 0 hosts. > >So what are you goggling with? Googling with non-MS browser. You should try it. Also, since PostgreSQL is not a 'server' it's a 'database', you'd probably want to change your search phrase a little bit. I did "Hosted PostgreSQL" and got over 1 million hits. I then tried your phrase "hosted server postgresql" and got 795,000 hits. I then did a "website offer hosted postgresql" and got 148,000 hits. > > quantity <> quality. > > > > I wonder how may of those places are subsidized my M$FT > >Few if any. I know of two people who started their own server farms back in >the mid 90's and never got money from M$ in all those years. > >So your saying that MySQL quality sucks because it's everywhere? No, he's saying MS SQL Server sucks (I gotta agree with that). From a 'noise' standpoint, MS makes it 'sound' like it's everywhere. -Charlie ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?
Stephen, PostgreSQL is actually very common. I have it on all of my CPanel enabled accounts through various hosts. I'm not sure about people JUST hosting databases, but as a general back end available to run your websites, its almost as pervasive as MySQL in my experience. Justin On 12/12/06, Stephen the Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Eugene Vital <> wrote: > > >> I was not aware of the PostgreSQL situation and would look to that as > >> a starting point. Unfortunately you don't find that listed as a > >> database for Hosted Servers frequently. > > > > Actually if you Google it you find quite a few. > > What? http://tinyurl.com/ynctz5 shows 0 hosts. > > So what are you goggling with? > > Found http://www.eapps.com/Docs/VPSAdvancedPrices.jsp for 50 -> 90 per month > for 2.5 gig to 4 gig. > > I am not finding many to pick from. > > > > > I haven't tried the Windows version yet but hey - I have a few spare > > minutes lets see how hard it can be. > > > >> You do find MySQL as well as M$ SQL. > >> > > > > quantity <> quality. > > > > I wonder how may of those places are subsidized my M$FT > > Few if any. I know of two people who started their own server farms back in > the mid 90's and never got money from M$ in all those years. > > So your saying that MySQL quality sucks because it's everywhere? > > > Stephen Russell > DBA / .Net Developer > > Memphis TN 38115 > 901.246-0159 > > "Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided > missiles and misguided men." Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. > > http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.16/582 - Release Date: 12/11/2006 > > > > [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?
Eugene Vital <> wrote: >> I was not aware of the PostgreSQL situation and would look to that as >> a starting point. Unfortunately you don't find that listed as a >> database for Hosted Servers frequently. > > Actually if you Google it you find quite a few. What? http://tinyurl.com/ynctz5 shows 0 hosts. So what are you goggling with? Found http://www.eapps.com/Docs/VPSAdvancedPrices.jsp for 50 -> 90 per month for 2.5 gig to 4 gig. I am not finding many to pick from. > > I haven't tried the Windows version yet but hey - I have a few spare > minutes lets see how hard it can be. > >> You do find MySQL as well as M$ SQL. >> > > quantity <> quality. > > I wonder how may of those places are subsidized my M$FT Few if any. I know of two people who started their own server farms back in the mid 90's and never got money from M$ in all those years. So your saying that MySQL quality sucks because it's everywhere? Stephen Russell DBA / .Net Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 "Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men." Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.16/582 - Release Date: 12/11/2006 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?
Eugene Vital wrote: > Stephen the Cook wrote: > >> Ed Leafe <> wrote: >> >> >>> On Dec 11, 2006, at 12:48 PM, John Weller wrote: >>> >>> >>> What is the cost? I am looking at a database for a client with probably 5 or 6 users. They are unlikely to need support above what I can provide. I've gone for MySQL because of the wealth of info available in Whil's book and this list - should I be looking at M$ SQL Server or PostGreSQL? >>> If they are going to be using the database server in-house and not >>> creating distributable apps, or otherwise distributing the MySQL >>> code, then there is no cost. >>> >>> PostgreSQL (the correct spelling) is 100% zero-cost in all cases. MS >>> SQL is 100% high-code in all cases. MySQL is dual-licensed, under >>> either the GPL or a commercial license. If your usage complies with >>> the GPL license, there is no cost for MySQL. If you want to release a >>> non-GPL app, the commercial license can cost a few hundred dollars. >>> I'm not sure on the cost, as I haven't had a need to purchase any >>> licenses. >>> >>> >> I'll go out on a limb and guess that high-code should have been high-cost in >> all cases. If so that is an incorrect statement. SQL Express is Free, and >> has some limitations like it's fore runner MSDE.The size of the database >> did double to 4 gig for free. >> >> There is also a "Free" version for Oracle as well as DB2. >> >> I was not aware of the PostgreSQL situation and would look to that as a >> starting point. Unfortunately you don't find that listed as a database for >> Hosted Servers frequently. >> > > Actually if you Google it you find quite a few. > > I am working on 2 separate projects at the moment each of which uses > PostgreSQL server running on Linux. If you haven't checked it out in a > while you owe it to yourself > to do it. They just released 8.2 and the PGAdminIII utility has really > come a long way. > > I haven't tried the Windows version yet but hey - I have a few spare > minutes lets see how hard it can be. > > 7:57pm download started. 8:02pm download finished. 8:03pm extracted zipped files. 8:04pm read install manual ( actually read it before but to be fair...). 8:06pm started install from MSI. 8:10pm setup finished. 8:12pm update pg_hba.conf to allow trusted login 8:13pm logged in with pgAdminIII and created new user 8:13pm update pg_hba.conf to force MD5 login 8:13pm logged with pgAdminIII as new user and server is up and running. 16 minutes - not bad BTW: for those interested they do have a silent install for Windows http://pginstaller.projects.postgresql.org/silent.html >> You do find MySQL as well as M$ SQL. >> >> > > quantity <> quality. > > I wonder how may of those places are subsidized my M$FT > > > >> Stephen Russell >> DBA / .Net Developer >> >> Memphis TN 38115 >> 901.246-0159 >> >> "Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided >> missiles and misguided men." Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. >> >> http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ >> >> >> ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?
Stephen the Cook wrote: > Ed Leafe <> wrote: > >> On Dec 11, 2006, at 12:48 PM, John Weller wrote: >> >> >>> What is the cost? I am looking at a database for a client with >>> probably 5 or 6 users. They are unlikely to need support above what >>> I can provide. I've gone for MySQL because of the wealth of info >>> available in Whil's book and this list - should I be looking at M$ >>> SQL Server or PostGreSQL? >>> >> If they are going to be using the database server in-house and not >> creating distributable apps, or otherwise distributing the MySQL >> code, then there is no cost. >> >> PostgreSQL (the correct spelling) is 100% zero-cost in all cases. MS >> SQL is 100% high-code in all cases. MySQL is dual-licensed, under >> either the GPL or a commercial license. If your usage complies with >> the GPL license, there is no cost for MySQL. If you want to release a >> non-GPL app, the commercial license can cost a few hundred dollars. >> I'm not sure on the cost, as I haven't had a need to purchase any >> licenses. >> > > I'll go out on a limb and guess that high-code should have been high-cost in > all cases. If so that is an incorrect statement. SQL Express is Free, and > has some limitations like it's fore runner MSDE.The size of the database > did double to 4 gig for free. > > There is also a "Free" version for Oracle as well as DB2. > > I was not aware of the PostgreSQL situation and would look to that as a > starting point. Unfortunately you don't find that listed as a database for > Hosted Servers frequently. Actually if you Google it you find quite a few. I am working on 2 separate projects at the moment each of which uses PostgreSQL server running on Linux. If you haven't checked it out in a while you owe it to yourself to do it. They just released 8.2 and the PGAdminIII utility has really come a long way. I haven't tried the Windows version yet but hey - I have a few spare minutes lets see how hard it can be. > You do find MySQL as well as M$ SQL. > quantity <> quality. I wonder how may of those places are subsidized my M$FT > Stephen Russell > DBA / .Net Developer > > Memphis TN 38115 > 901.246-0159 > > "Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided > missiles and misguided men." Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. > > http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ > > ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?
Apparently it's $675 *per year* for 'enterprise basic' processor licence (whatever that is) - I don't like the fact that the pricing structure isn't more open (not that ms SQL Server is much clearer). iirc mySQL used to have a one-off licence at around $400 - I wonder if their revenue stream has actually improved with the new structure. Andrew Davies MBCS CITP - AndyD 8-)# ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. Please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] with any queries. ** ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?
Thanks Ed. They will only be using it in-house so I'm greatly relieved as I'd told them it was a low cost option! John Weller 01380 723235 07976 393631 > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ed Leafe > Sent: 11 December 2006 19:04 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway? > > > On Dec 11, 2006, at 12:48 PM, John Weller wrote: > > > What is the cost? I am looking at a database for a client with > > probably 5 > > or 6 users. They are unlikely to need support above what I can > > provide. > > I've gone for MySQL because of the wealth of info available in > > Whil's book > > and this list - should I be looking at M$ SQL Server or PostGreSQL? > > If they are going to be using the database server in-house and not > creating distributable apps, or otherwise distributing the MySQL > code, then there is no cost. > > PostgreSQL (the correct spelling) is 100% zero-cost in all > cases. MS > SQL is 100% high-code in all cases. MySQL is dual-licensed, under > either the GPL or a commercial license. If your usage complies with > the GPL license, there is no cost for MySQL. If you want to release a > non-GPL app, the commercial license can cost a few hundred dollars. > I'm not sure on the cost, as I haven't had a need to purchase any > licenses. > > -- Ed Leafe > -- http://leafe.com > -- http://dabodev.com > > > > [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?
Kevin Cully wrote: > Ah. There are other free (more) free databases as well. PostgreSQL, > Firebird, SQLLite, Berkeley DB, and others. Hey, the Foxpro database is > free but it's not a server itself. > > Choices are good. I'm still guessing that a lot of the savings in the > article come from the M$ Server licenses, and in switching to Linux or > UNIX servers. > > Kevin Cully > CULLY Technologies, LLC > PostgreSQL is really good. It plays at the level of Oracle. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?
Ed Leafe <> wrote: > On Dec 11, 2006, at 12:48 PM, John Weller wrote: > >> What is the cost? I am looking at a database for a client with >> probably 5 or 6 users. They are unlikely to need support above what >> I can provide. I've gone for MySQL because of the wealth of info >> available in Whil's book and this list - should I be looking at M$ >> SQL Server or PostGreSQL? > > If they are going to be using the database server in-house and not > creating distributable apps, or otherwise distributing the MySQL > code, then there is no cost. > > PostgreSQL (the correct spelling) is 100% zero-cost in all cases. MS > SQL is 100% high-code in all cases. MySQL is dual-licensed, under > either the GPL or a commercial license. If your usage complies with > the GPL license, there is no cost for MySQL. If you want to release a > non-GPL app, the commercial license can cost a few hundred dollars. > I'm not sure on the cost, as I haven't had a need to purchase any > licenses. I'll go out on a limb and guess that high-code should have been high-cost in all cases. If so that is an incorrect statement. SQL Express is Free, and has some limitations like it's fore runner MSDE.The size of the database did double to 4 gig for free. There is also a "Free" version for Oracle as well as DB2. I was not aware of the PostgreSQL situation and would look to that as a starting point. Unfortunately you don't find that listed as a database for Hosted Servers frequently. You do find MySQL as well as M$ SQL. Stephen Russell DBA / .Net Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 "Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men." Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/581 - Release Date: 12/9/2006 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?
On Dec 11, 2006, at 12:48 PM, John Weller wrote: > What is the cost? I am looking at a database for a client with > probably 5 > or 6 users. They are unlikely to need support above what I can > provide. > I've gone for MySQL because of the wealth of info available in > Whil's book > and this list - should I be looking at M$ SQL Server or PostGreSQL? If they are going to be using the database server in-house and not creating distributable apps, or otherwise distributing the MySQL code, then there is no cost. PostgreSQL (the correct spelling) is 100% zero-cost in all cases. MS SQL is 100% high-code in all cases. MySQL is dual-licensed, under either the GPL or a commercial license. If your usage complies with the GPL license, there is no cost for MySQL. If you want to release a non-GPL app, the commercial license can cost a few hundred dollars. I'm not sure on the cost, as I haven't had a need to purchase any licenses. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?
What is the cost? I am looking at a database for a client with probably 5 or 6 users. They are unlikely to need support above what I can provide. I've gone for MySQL because of the wealth of info available in Whil's book and this list - should I be looking at M$ SQL Server or PostGreSQL? John Weller 01380 723235 07976 393631 > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of mrgmhale > Sent: 11 December 2006 17:13 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway? > > > I have a few vertical apps, all Windows O/S based Server apps due to my > target market being required to use Windows. VFP has been great, but I am > beginning to creep up on a capacity (2Gb/file) issue. MySQL looked okay > until they bumped their Server fees for commercial distribution. > My clients > are used to not paying for a database Server, so that limits my > choices. I > have been focused on PostGreSQL as it has no license fee whatever for > personal, commercial or commercial with a license fee based app using it. > For In House systems I am going to have to use Windows 2000/2003+ Server > with CAL licenses. But for any web based stuff I am going to migrate to a > Linux Server to host the PostgreSQL Server(s). Walking now, will > be running > and sprinting by early Spring. > > > Gil > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Stephen the Cook > > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 10:23 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway? > > > > > > Ed Leafe <> wrote: > > > On Dec 11, 2006, at 9:53 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >> the few times I've read the mySQL website it said that mySQL is not > > >> free when its used in a commercial application > > > > > > The GPL only restricts distribution. As long as you are only using > > > it in-house, you do not need to license it. > > > > I understand this point. Seems that a few people here have > vertical apps > > and may be inclined to think that the product, MySQL, is free. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Russell > > DBA / .Net Developer > > > > Memphis TN 38115 > > 901.246-0159 > > > > "Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided > > missiles and misguided men." Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. > > > > http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/581 - Release > Date: 12/9/2006 > > > > > > > > [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?
At 10:36 AM 12/11/2006 -0500, Ted Roche wrote: ... >The case study you cite doesn't supply enough information to explain >why a vendor or their customer (BYU) is paying $75k (annually, I >suspect) to distribute a database about 300 courses. That does sound >awfully suspicious. ... I believe the statement lumped Microsoft server licensing stuff. So I'd imagine that is where the vast majority of cost went. -Charlie ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?
Kevin Ragsdale <> wrote: > On December 11, Stephen Russell wrote, > >>> http://tinyurl.com/usbh2 > > Now how did I know that link was going to take me to IBM's website? Surprised that it's not M$? The length was to long for a copy paste. Stephen Russell DBA / .Net Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 "Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men." Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/581 - Release Date: 12/9/2006 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?
On December 11, Stephen Russell wrote, >> http://tinyurl.com/usbh2 Now how did I know that link was going to take me to IBM's website? Kevin ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?
I have a few vertical apps, all Windows O/S based Server apps due to my target market being required to use Windows. VFP has been great, but I am beginning to creep up on a capacity (2Gb/file) issue. MySQL looked okay until they bumped their Server fees for commercial distribution. My clients are used to not paying for a database Server, so that limits my choices. I have been focused on PostGreSQL as it has no license fee whatever for personal, commercial or commercial with a license fee based app using it. For In House systems I am going to have to use Windows 2000/2003+ Server with CAL licenses. But for any web based stuff I am going to migrate to a Linux Server to host the PostgreSQL Server(s). Walking now, will be running and sprinting by early Spring. Gil > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Stephen the Cook > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 10:23 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway? > > > Ed Leafe <> wrote: > > On Dec 11, 2006, at 9:53 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> the few times I've read the mySQL website it said that mySQL is not > >> free when its used in a commercial application > > > > The GPL only restricts distribution. As long as you are only using > > it in-house, you do not need to license it. > > I understand this point. Seems that a few people here have vertical apps > and may be inclined to think that the product, MySQL, is free. > > > > > Stephen Russell > DBA / .Net Developer > > Memphis TN 38115 > 901.246-0159 > > "Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided > missiles and misguided men." Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. > > http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/581 - Release Date: 12/9/2006 > > > > [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?
Ted Roche <> wrote: > The case study you cite doesn't supply enough information to explain > why a vendor or their customer (BYU) is paying $75k (annually, I > suspect) to distribute a database about 300 courses. That does sound > awfully suspicious. I wish they broke out the true costs associated with the server OS costs and the database costs. Going to the free DB2 version makes sense for IBM to tout. You don't need the W-OS because it will run on Linux. And it's small enough a system to live in our free space. Much like the M$ or Oracle versions of "free." Stephen Russell DBA / .Net Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 "Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men." Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/581 - Release Date: 12/9/2006 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?
On 12/11/06, Stephen the Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I understand this point. Seems that a few people here have vertical apps > and may be inclined to think that the product, MySQL, is free. > It's free as in freedom, but may not be free as in cost, to a commercial distributor who's charging money for it. If a free as in cost solution is desired, PostgreSQL, Firebird and SQLite all offer free-as-in-freedom answers. Most commercial vendors also offer a limited closed source database. The case study you cite doesn't supply enough information to explain why a vendor or their customer (BYU) is paying $75k (annually, I suspect) to distribute a database about 300 courses. That does sound awfully suspicious. -- Ted Roche Ted Roche & Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?
Ah. There are other free (more) free databases as well. PostgreSQL, Firebird, SQLLite, Berkeley DB, and others. Hey, the Foxpro database is free but it's not a server itself. Choices are good. I'm still guessing that a lot of the savings in the article come from the M$ Server licenses, and in switching to Linux or UNIX servers. Kevin Cully CULLY Technologies, LLC Sponsor of Fox Forward 2006! http://foxforward.net Stephen the Cook wrote: > I understand this point. Seems that a few people here have vertical apps > and may be inclined to think that the product, MySQL, is free. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?
Ed Leafe <> wrote: > On Dec 11, 2006, at 9:53 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> the few times I've read the mySQL website it said that mySQL is not >> free when its used in a commercial application > > The GPL only restricts distribution. As long as you are only using > it in-house, you do not need to license it. I understand this point. Seems that a few people here have vertical apps and may be inclined to think that the product, MySQL, is free. Stephen Russell DBA / .Net Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 "Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men." Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/581 - Release Date: 12/9/2006 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?
say my map site gets bought out by a reunion site or I start getting one hundred thousand hits a day on the treo so my typing isn't too good -Original Message- From: Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subj: Re: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway? Date: Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:14 am Size: 703 bytes To: ProFox Email List On Dec 11, 2006, at 10:09 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > what about if I have an application that takes off but I don't need > their support ? Define 'takes off'. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?
On Dec 11, 2006, at 10:09 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > what about if I have an application that takes off but I don't need > their support ? Define 'takes off'. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?
what about if I have an application that takes off but I don't need their support ? -Original Message- From: Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subj: Re: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway? Date: Mon Dec 11, 2006 8:57 am Size: 805 bytes To: ProFox Email List On Dec 11, 2006, at 9:53 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > the few times I've read the mysql website it said that mysql is not > free when its used in a commercial application The GPL only restricts distribution. As long as you are only using it in-house, you do not need to license it. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?
On Dec 11, 2006, at 9:53 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > the few times I've read the mysql website it said that mysql is not > free when its used in a commercial application The GPL only restricts distribution. As long as you are only using it in-house, you do not need to license it. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?
On Dec 11, 2006, at 9:41 AM, Kevin Cully wrote: > I understand the savings on Windows Server licensing, but MySQL?!? > I'm > not getting the whole picture here. Technically, you don't need a license to use MySQL; you only need a license if you distribute it. However, if your business depends on the database, you typically want support. The support packages are only available from MySQL for the licensed versions, and they are pretty pricey. That's their business model: make it free to nearly everyone, but get those people who are using it to make money pay for that privilege. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?
You can get it for free and use it as much as you like, but if you pay the distributor, you can have your hand held and occasionally, a massage. Sorry, but I do not have the numbers handy. The story sounds like it is really about server envy, a condition that affects 93% of all CEOs over the age of 38. Fortunately for me, I've had a servotomy and now I don't care how big your server is compared to mine. B+ HALinNY ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?
the few times I've read the mysql website it said that mysql is not free when its used in a commercial application -Original Message- From: Kevin Cully <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subj: Re: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway? Date: Mon Dec 11, 2006 8:42 am Size: 1K To: profox@leafe.com An IBM Business Partner switches off of MySQL to go with DB2? Are they paying to be an IBM Business Partner? It seems like they're paying a lot in fees for a 300 course database with related child tables. Heck, I would think Access could handle that load. "By converting to IBM DB2 9, Makau saved about $75,000 in MySQL and Windows server licensing fees" I understand the savings on Windows Server licensing, but MySQL?!? I'm not getting the whole picture here. Kevin Cully CULLY Technologies, LLC Sponsor of Fox Forward 2006! http://foxforward.net Stephen Russell wrote: > The number one reason we moved to DB2 9 is cost savings. We were spending a > lot on licenses with MySQL -- and DB2 9 Express-C 9 is free. [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?
An IBM Business Partner switches off of MySQL to go with DB2? Are they paying to be an IBM Business Partner? It seems like they're paying a lot in fees for a 300 course database with related child tables. Heck, I would think Access could handle that load. "By converting to IBM DB2 9, Makau saved about $75,000 in MySQL and Windows server licensing fees" I understand the savings on Windows Server licensing, but MySQL?!? I'm not getting the whole picture here. Kevin Cully CULLY Technologies, LLC Sponsor of Fox Forward 2006! http://foxforward.net Stephen Russell wrote: > The number one reason we moved to DB2 9 is cost savings. We were spending a > lot on licenses with MySQL -- and DB2 9 Express-C 9 is free. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
