Re: Video tracks

[Chris Snyder]

Do you know if that .mov file is the compressed or full resolution sort?

Friendly,
Chris

--
I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one.





On Oct 22, 2011, at 8:41 PM, HF wrote:

> You can save it as a quicktime file which is .mov.
> 
> HF
> 
> On 10/22/2011 10:59 PM, Chris Snyder wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> In regard to the video function in PT, I've a question.
>> By default, PT will let you bounce your audio mix and save it as the new
>> audio in the video. It will save it as a compressed mp4 file. Is there a
>> way to save it as a full resolution .mov file? If it does not do this
>> natively, is there a plugin I can buy that will do that? Thanks in
>> advance for your help.
>> 
>> Friendly,
>> Chris
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 19, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Chris Norman wrote:
>> 
>>> Hiya all,
>>> Is it possible to import more than 1 video file, and have them on
>>> separate tracks?
>>> 
>>> When I go to import a second video file, it says it'll remove the
>>> first one, what's that all about?
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Take care,
>>> Chris Norman
>>> 
>>> Email and MSN: chris.norm...@googlemail.com
>>> 
>>> Skype [and iChat]: chris.norman7[@mac.com]
>>> Facebook: www.facebook.com/chrisnorman7
>>> 
>>> Twitter: www.twitter.com/chrisnorman7
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Follow my music on Facebook:
>>> www.facebook.com/thechrisnormanproject
>>> 
>>> Or on Twitter: www.twitter.com/cnproject
>>> 
>>> The Chris Norman Project's Youtube channel can be found at:
>>> www.youtube.com/user/thechrisnorman2
>>> 
>>> 
>> 

Re: Video tracks

[HF]

You can save it as a quicktime file which is .mov.

HF

On 10/22/2011 10:59 PM, Chris Snyder wrote:

Hi all,
In regard to the video function in PT, I've a question.
By default, PT will let you bounce your audio mix and save it as the new
audio in the video. It will save it as a compressed mp4 file. Is there a
way to save it as a full resolution .mov file? If it does not do this
natively, is there a plugin I can buy that will do that? Thanks in
advance for your help.

Friendly,
Chris


--
I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one.





On Oct 19, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Chris Norman wrote:


Hiya all,
Is it possible to import more than 1 video file, and have them on
separate tracks?

When I go to import a second video file, it says it'll remove the
first one, what's that all about?

Cheers,

Take care,
Chris Norman

Email and MSN: chris.norm...@googlemail.com

Skype [and iChat]: chris.norman7[@mac.com]
Facebook: www.facebook.com/chrisnorman7

Twitter: www.twitter.com/chrisnorman7


Follow my music on Facebook:
www.facebook.com/thechrisnormanproject

Or on Twitter: www.twitter.com/cnproject

The Chris Norman Project's Youtube channel can be found at:
www.youtube.com/user/thechrisnorman2

Re: Video tracks

[Chris Snyder]

Hi all,
In regard to the video function in PT, I've a question.
By default, PT will let you bounce your audio mix and save it as the new audio 
in the video. It will save it as a compressed mp4 file. Is there a way to save 
it as a full resolution .mov file? If it does not do this natively, is there a 
plugin I can buy that will do that? Thanks in advance for your help.

Friendly,
Chris


--
I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one.





On Oct 19, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Chris Norman wrote:

> Hiya all,
> Is it possible to import more than 1 video file, and have them on separate 
> tracks?
> 
> When I go to import a second video file, it says it'll remove the first one, 
> what's that all about?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Take care,
> Chris Norman
> 
> Email and MSN: chris.norm...@googlemail.com
> Skype [and iChat]: chris.norman7[@mac.com]
> Facebook: www.facebook.com/chrisnorman7
> Twitter: www.twitter.com/chrisnorman7
> 
> Follow my music on Facebook:
> www.facebook.com/thechrisnormanproject
> Or on Twitter: www.twitter.com/cnproject
> The Chris Norman Project's Youtube channel can be found at:
> www.youtube.com/user/thechrisnorman2
> 

Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing

[Brian Casey]

Ah right, I was obviously too hopeful about that built In speaker, but I do 
moniter at extraordinarily low levels so who knows!haha


Of course, I could change the buffer, but I tend to run my RME fireface at 
HD type latencies, simply because it can!


Thanks for all the input about the mini server anyway guys, I think I have a 
new reason to work that little bit harder over the next few months, that and 
I have my eye on an akai mpk88 or something of some discription, between the 
two I would have a nice portable setup outside the studio for production 
work and gigs.


Brian.
--
From: "Stephen Martin" 
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 1:01 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing

When mixing you may want to raise your sample buffer size for playback. It 
doesn't need to be as low as it does for recording due to the lack of need 
for input monitoring and etc.  This would probably keep you from having to 
freeze some tracks.  The speaker on the mac mini is there more as a 
failsafe than it is intended to be used as a main speaker, as they don't 
get very loud. It would be hard to hear VO on that speaker while playing 
back a session, especially if the mini isn't on the desk next u.

On Oct 22, 2011, at 7:53 PM, Brian Casey wrote:



Thanks for that Frank...yeah, I guess really, I don't completely need it 
at the moment, and can probably afford to wait another six months or a 
year for a new mac, and who knows what ground manufacturers will have 
made up with SSD's and thunderbolt by then. As it stands, I'm still 
ultimately happy if not regretting a little my recent purchase of a pc 
with two internal 7200 speed drives, its 2.8 quad i5 and 4 gigs of ram. 
Its just rather God dam big and noisie. I did push it to its limit with a 
mix on sonar during the week, but that was hitting 70 tracks, with 3 or 4 
soft-synths, at least 3 plugins on each tracks, 12 buses with plenty 
processing and  lots of long delays and reverbs running in realtime. The 
cpu meter still only said 60 percent but the pops and clicks in  the play 
back said otherwise, proved by the fact that freezing some of the tracks 
settled it right back down.


Sorry, a complete digression, basically, I think for those of us who 
don't need to waste any money on a screen and like portability, the mac 
mini server is a fantastic option. It even has a built in speaker from 
what I saw? Great for voice over.


Brian.
--
From: "Frank Carmickle" 
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 11:55 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing


Hi Brian

Yeah SSD's are where it's at.  I would say these mbp's can handle an SSD 
and a 7200 rpm drive with out trouble.  I haven't put the second disk in 
mine yet.  I am running a SSD and you can edit and mix small projects 
just on the SSD with out a second drive.  Bigger track counts you would 
probably want a second drive.  I would consider two SSD's instead of a 
7200 rpm drive.  Now that the 2011 macs all have thunderbolt you can get 
some really fast drives. FW800 is actually quite slow in todays 
standards. There are only a few thunderbolt drive enclosures thus far 
but there will be more.  This is what really makes the mac mini an 
option now.  The quad core and a thunderbolt port allow you to run pro 
tools hd with a thunderbolt expansion chasis.


HTH
--FC

On Oct 22, 2011, at 4:34 PM, Brian Casey wrote:

Could you put an SSD as one of the drives...I assume they don't have 
heating issues as they don't have moving parts...although, again, I 
don't know much abou  these things so I could be completely wrong 
there!


Brian.

--
From: "Nickus de Vos" 
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 8:23 PM
To: "Pro Tools Accessibility" 
Subject: Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing


Wow sounds cool but does the MBP motherboard do fine with the 2 hard
drives?

Kevin Reeves wrote:
You can still have 2 hard drives with the macbook. OWC sells this 
device called the Data doubler. It's a mounting bracket that fits in 
the Macbook Pro in place of the optical drive. This lets you add a 
second hd in the machine. As far as the optical drive you just pulled 
out, you can then mount it into an external drive enclosure designed 
for laptop dvd drives. Then, you've got your 2 hd's and your dvd 
drive as an external when you need it.

Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing

[Stephen Martin]

When mixing you may want to raise your sample buffer size for playback. It 
doesn't need to be as low as it does for recording due to the lack of need for 
input monitoring and etc.  This would probably keep you from having to freeze 
some tracks.  The speaker on the mac mini is there more as a failsafe than it 
is intended to be used as a main speaker, as they don't get very loud. It would 
be hard to hear VO on that speaker while playing back a session, especially if 
the mini isn't on the desk next u. 
On Oct 22, 2011, at 7:53 PM, Brian Casey wrote:

> 
> Thanks for that Frank...yeah, I guess really, I don't completely need it at 
> the moment, and can probably afford to wait another six months or a year for 
> a new mac, and who knows what ground manufacturers will have made up with 
> SSD's and thunderbolt by then. As it stands, I'm still ultimately happy if 
> not regretting a little my recent purchase of a pc with two internal 7200 
> speed drives, its 2.8 quad i5 and 4 gigs of ram. Its just rather God dam big 
> and noisie. I did push it to its limit with a mix on sonar during the week, 
> but that was hitting 70 tracks, with 3 or 4 soft-synths, at least 3 plugins 
> on each tracks, 12 buses with plenty processing and  lots of long delays and 
> reverbs running in realtime. The cpu meter still only said 60 percent but the 
> pops and clicks in  the play back said otherwise, proved by the fact that 
> freezing some of the tracks settled it right back down.
> 
> Sorry, a complete digression, basically, I think for those of us who don't 
> need to waste any money on a screen and like portability, the mac mini server 
> is a fantastic option. It even has a built in speaker from what I saw? Great 
> for voice over.
> 
> Brian.
> --
> From: "Frank Carmickle" 
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 11:55 PM
> To: 
> Subject: Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing
> 
>> Hi Brian
>> 
>> Yeah SSD's are where it's at.  I would say these mbp's can handle an SSD and 
>> a 7200 rpm drive with out trouble.  I haven't put the second disk in mine 
>> yet.  I am running a SSD and you can edit and mix small projects just on the 
>> SSD with out a second drive.  Bigger track counts you would probably want a 
>> second drive.  I would consider two SSD's instead of a 7200 rpm drive.  Now 
>> that the 2011 macs all have thunderbolt you can get some really fast drives. 
>> FW800 is actually quite slow in todays standards. There are only a few 
>> thunderbolt drive enclosures thus far but there will be more.  This is what 
>> really makes the mac mini an option now.  The quad core and a thunderbolt 
>> port allow you to run pro tools hd with a thunderbolt expansion chasis.
>> 
>> HTH
>> --FC
>> 
>> On Oct 22, 2011, at 4:34 PM, Brian Casey wrote:
>> 
>>> Could you put an SSD as one of the drives...I assume they don't have 
>>> heating issues as they don't have moving parts...although, again, I don't 
>>> know much abou  these things so I could be completely wrong there!
>>> 
>>> Brian.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> From: "Nickus de Vos" 
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 8:23 PM
>>> To: "Pro Tools Accessibility" 
>>> Subject: Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing
>>> 
 Wow sounds cool but does the MBP motherboard do fine with the 2 hard
 drives?
 
 Kevin Reeves wrote:
> You can still have 2 hard drives with the macbook. OWC sells this device 
> called the Data doubler. It's a mounting bracket that fits in the Macbook 
> Pro in place of the optical drive. This lets you add a second hd in the 
> machine. As far as the optical drive you just pulled out, you can then 
> mount it into an external drive enclosure designed for laptop dvd drives. 
> Then, you've got your 2 hd's and your dvd drive as an external when you 
> need it.
>> 

Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing

[Brian Casey]

I haven't a clew  Chuck to be honest...I'm as noobish about PT and avid as 
they come on this list...I've cold feet about getting proTools into my 
workflow still! I'd imagine avid need to speed up their accepance of new 
technology etc to stop from losing ground to other native DAWs though. SSD's 
seem to be very much the way forward.


Brian.

--
From: "Chuck Reichel" 
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 12:21 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing


Hi Brian,
Does Avid now support SSD?
Talk soon



On Oct 22, 2011, at 4:34 PM, Brian Casey wrote:

Could you put an SSD as one of the drives...I assume they don't have 
heating issues as they don't have moving parts...although, again, I 
don't know much abou  these things so I could be completely wrong  there!


Brian.

--
From: "Nickus de Vos" 
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 8:23 PM
To: "Pro Tools Accessibility" 
Subject: Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing


Wow sounds cool but does the MBP motherboard do fine with the 2 hard
drives?

Kevin Reeves wrote:
You can still have 2 hard drives with the macbook. OWC sells this 
device called the Data doubler. It's a mounting bracket that fits  in 
the Macbook Pro in place of the optical drive. This lets you  add a 
second hd in the machine. As far as the optical drive you  just pulled 
out, you can then mount it into an external drive  enclosure designed 
for laptop dvd drives. Then, you've got your 2  hd's and your dvd drive 
as an external when you need it.


Chuck Reichel
954-742-0019
www.SoundPictureRecording.com

Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing

[Brian Casey]

Thanks for that Frank...yeah, I guess really, I don't completely need it at 
the moment, and can probably afford to wait another six months or a year for 
a new mac, and who knows what ground manufacturers will have made up with 
SSD's and thunderbolt by then. As it stands, I'm still ultimately happy if 
not regretting a little my recent purchase of a pc with two internal 7200 
speed drives, its 2.8 quad i5 and 4 gigs of ram. Its just rather God dam big 
and noisie. I did push it to its limit with a mix on sonar during the week, 
but that was hitting 70 tracks, with 3 or 4 soft-synths, at least 3 plugins 
on each tracks, 12 buses with plenty processing and  lots of long delays and 
reverbs running in realtime. The cpu meter still only said 60 percent but 
the pops and clicks in  the play back said otherwise, proved by the fact 
that freezing some of the tracks settled it right back down.


Sorry, a complete digression, basically, I think for those of us who don't 
need to waste any money on a screen and like portability, the mac mini 
server is a fantastic option. It even has a built in speaker from what I 
saw? Great for voice over.


Brian.
--
From: "Frank Carmickle" 
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 11:55 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing


Hi Brian

Yeah SSD's are where it's at.  I would say these mbp's can handle an SSD 
and a 7200 rpm drive with out trouble.  I haven't put the second disk in 
mine yet.  I am running a SSD and you can edit and mix small projects just 
on the SSD with out a second drive.  Bigger track counts you would 
probably want a second drive.  I would consider two SSD's instead of a 
7200 rpm drive.  Now that the 2011 macs all have thunderbolt you can get 
some really fast drives. FW800 is actually quite slow in todays standards. 
There are only a few thunderbolt drive enclosures thus far but there will 
be more.  This is what really makes the mac mini an option now.  The quad 
core and a thunderbolt port allow you to run pro tools hd with a 
thunderbolt expansion chasis.


HTH
--FC

On Oct 22, 2011, at 4:34 PM, Brian Casey wrote:

Could you put an SSD as one of the drives...I assume they don't have 
heating issues as they don't have moving parts...although, again, I don't 
know much abou  these things so I could be completely wrong there!


Brian.

--
From: "Nickus de Vos" 
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 8:23 PM
To: "Pro Tools Accessibility" 
Subject: Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing


Wow sounds cool but does the MBP motherboard do fine with the 2 hard
drives?

Kevin Reeves wrote:
You can still have 2 hard drives with the macbook. OWC sells this 
device called the Data doubler. It's a mounting bracket that fits in 
the Macbook Pro in place of the optical drive. This lets you add a 
second hd in the machine. As far as the optical drive you just pulled 
out, you can then mount it into an external drive enclosure designed 
for laptop dvd drives. Then, you've got your 2 hd's and your dvd drive 
as an external when you need it.

Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing

[Stephen Martin]

Yes did try it with safari, and no issues there. Also, i have always heard from 
others and apple themselves that non apple apple after market parts voids apple 
care, but maybe now they re starting to get lapse on it. From what i hear 
though, the new 2011 iMacs will not take a  non apple HD and run optimally. 
They are doing some voodoo to keep you from putting in after market HD's. That 
being said, the thunderbolt ports do pretty much solve that problem.
On Oct 22, 2011, at 7:01 PM, Frank Carmickle wrote:

> Hi
> 
> 
> On Oct 22, 2011, at 4:38 PM, Stephen Martin wrote:
> 
> I owned the current Gen server model of the mini for a couple weeks like i 
> said before, and  the sluggish without a monitor issue didn't seem to exist 
> with that one. 
> 
> You did run safari?  That's where you really notice the issue.  I have a 2009 
> mini and I can confirm that this is an issue on snow leopard.  I haven't 
> tried it on lion.  Maybe it's a lion fix?
> 
> I also remember hearing from a number of sources before purchasing mine that 
> that issue was no longer with current gen mini's. The Mini is definitely 
> portable enough to take to a gig and etc. The downside to a mini is no 
> battery power option. Also remember if you guys plan to extend your apple 
> care protection plan past the 1 year that comes with your mac then be care 
> flu about upgrading after market. If apple didn't upgrade the internals or 
> you didn't get the ram from apple and install it yourself, they won't even 
> look at your machine when you try to get it serviced. So if you put after 
> market parts in there, put the originals back in before taking it back in for 
> servicing or before the tech shows up at your house.The only negative i have 
> heard about swapping out your optical drive for another internal Hard drive 
> on the laptops is it adds more weight to the machine. No complains about it 
> overheating or anything like that.
> 
> This is not what I was told by a Apple repair person.  In fact I had the 
> optical drive die in my 2010 mbp two months after I bought it.  I had changed 
> out the 2 gb sticks for 4 gb ones and had put an SSD in where there once was 
> a 5400 rpm drive.  They opened the machine put a new drive in and had me out 
> of the store in 20 minutes with only having to sign once that the service had 
> been performed.  THese same people assured me when I purchased the mbp that I 
> would be able to put the components in the unit that I wanted and unless one 
> of those components was at fault they would fix the problem.
> 
> 
> HTH
> --FC
> 
> 
>> On Oct 22, 2011, at 4:19 PM, J. R. Westmoreland wrote:
>> 
>>> I am just saying what I read that the 7200 drives, at least in my Mac Book,
>>> weren't recommended. That seemed strange to me as well so I tried it and it
>>> works fine.
>>> I can't speak to the two drive issue. That one, it seems to me, could
>>> definitely cause a heating issue. The HD runs much warmer than an optical
>>> drive and for a longer amount of time.
>>> Remember there are no fans for cooling in the Mac Book Pro. 
>>> 
>>> Now, if I could find a mixing surface for 8 channels that was as light as my
>>> Mac Book Pro then I'd really have something. LOL
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> J. R.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Nickus de Vos
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 1:17 PM
>>> To: Pro Tools Accessibility
>>> Subject: Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing
>>> 
>>> Just did a bit of reading on Kevin's 3rd party DIY upgrade idea. I always
>>> thought there's something special to apple memory but turns out they use
>>> normal memory mostly samsung and hynix not even kingston and I'm a huge fan
>>> of kingston ram. As for the hard drives looks like they mostly use seagate
>>> which is fine with me I only use seagate drives they are the most relyable
>>> in my experience. I don't know how apple can say a MBP with max ram and 7200
>>> RPM hard drive can cause heat problems because you can order it from them
>>> that way so obviously they did some testing and why give people that option
>>> if it causes problems. Oh and on the MBP I've seen posts in a few places
>>> that new MBP's will be released in the next week or two, only upgrades is
>>> the processors they will have sandybridge I5 processors can't remember if
>>> there's I7's as well. Think you'll get a 2.2 GHz a 2.6 GHz and a 2.8 but I
>>> could be wrong can't exactly remember, also know they said it will stay the
>>> same price as the current ones.
>>> 
>>> Brian Casey wrote:
 That seems a bit crazy! I'm no computing genious but I would have 
 thought that wouldn't make a difference. Especially if it's a server. 
 I wonder what the smallist/cheepist screen on the market is, something 
 the size of an iPhone or something could e magical solution. Maybe the 
 Macbook is just the best option though, but having two hard drives would

Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing

[Chuck Reichel]

Hi Brian,
Does Avid now support SSD?
Talk soon



On Oct 22, 2011, at 4:34 PM, Brian Casey wrote:

Could you put an SSD as one of the drives...I assume they don't have  
heating issues as they don't have moving parts...although, again, I  
don't know much abou  these things so I could be completely wrong  
there!


Brian.

--
From: "Nickus de Vos" 
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 8:23 PM
To: "Pro Tools Accessibility" 
Subject: Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing


Wow sounds cool but does the MBP motherboard do fine with the 2 hard
drives?

Kevin Reeves wrote:
You can still have 2 hard drives with the macbook. OWC sells this  
device called the Data doubler. It's a mounting bracket that fits  
in the Macbook Pro in place of the optical drive. This lets you  
add a second hd in the machine. As far as the optical drive you  
just pulled out, you can then mount it into an external drive  
enclosure designed for laptop dvd drives. Then, you've got your 2  
hd's and your dvd drive as an external when you need it.


Chuck Reichel
954-742-0019
www.SoundPictureRecording.com

Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing

[Frank Carmickle]

Hi


On Oct 22, 2011, at 4:38 PM, Stephen Martin wrote:

I owned the current Gen server model of the mini for a couple weeks like i said 
before, and  the sluggish without a monitor issue didn't seem to exist with 
that one. 

You did run safari?  That's where you really notice the issue.  I have a 2009 
mini and I can confirm that this is an issue on snow leopard.  I haven't tried 
it on lion.  Maybe it's a lion fix?

I also remember hearing from a number of sources before purchasing mine that 
that issue was no longer with current gen mini's. The Mini is definitely 
portable enough to take to a gig and etc. The downside to a mini is no battery 
power option. Also remember if you guys plan to extend your apple care 
protection plan past the 1 year that comes with your mac then be care flu about 
upgrading after market. If apple didn't upgrade the internals or you didn't get 
the ram from apple and install it yourself, they won't even look at your 
machine when you try to get it serviced. So if you put after market parts in 
there, put the originals back in before taking it back in for servicing or 
before the tech shows up at your house.The only negative i have heard about 
swapping out your optical drive for another internal Hard drive on the laptops 
is it adds more weight to the machine. No complains about it overheating or 
anything like that.

This is not what I was told by a Apple repair person.  In fact I had the 
optical drive die in my 2010 mbp two months after I bought it.  I had changed 
out the 2 gb sticks for 4 gb ones and had put an SSD in where there once was a 
5400 rpm drive.  They opened the machine put a new drive in and had me out of 
the store in 20 minutes with only having to sign once that the service had been 
performed.  THese same people assured me when I purchased the mbp that I would 
be able to put the components in the unit that I wanted and unless one of those 
components was at fault they would fix the problem.


HTH
--FC


> On Oct 22, 2011, at 4:19 PM, J. R. Westmoreland wrote:
> 
>> I am just saying what I read that the 7200 drives, at least in my Mac Book,
>> weren't recommended. That seemed strange to me as well so I tried it and it
>> works fine.
>> I can't speak to the two drive issue. That one, it seems to me, could
>> definitely cause a heating issue. The HD runs much warmer than an optical
>> drive and for a longer amount of time.
>> Remember there are no fans for cooling in the Mac Book Pro. 
>> 
>> Now, if I could find a mixing surface for 8 channels that was as light as my
>> Mac Book Pro then I'd really have something. LOL
>> 
>> Best,
>> J. R.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Nickus de Vos
>> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 1:17 PM
>> To: Pro Tools Accessibility
>> Subject: Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing
>> 
>> Just did a bit of reading on Kevin's 3rd party DIY upgrade idea. I always
>> thought there's something special to apple memory but turns out they use
>> normal memory mostly samsung and hynix not even kingston and I'm a huge fan
>> of kingston ram. As for the hard drives looks like they mostly use seagate
>> which is fine with me I only use seagate drives they are the most relyable
>> in my experience. I don't know how apple can say a MBP with max ram and 7200
>> RPM hard drive can cause heat problems because you can order it from them
>> that way so obviously they did some testing and why give people that option
>> if it causes problems. Oh and on the MBP I've seen posts in a few places
>> that new MBP's will be released in the next week or two, only upgrades is
>> the processors they will have sandybridge I5 processors can't remember if
>> there's I7's as well. Think you'll get a 2.2 GHz a 2.6 GHz and a 2.8 but I
>> could be wrong can't exactly remember, also know they said it will stay the
>> same price as the current ones.
>> 
>> Brian Casey wrote:
>>> That seems a bit crazy! I'm no computing genious but I would have 
>>> thought that wouldn't make a difference. Especially if it's a server. 
>>> I wonder what the smallist/cheepist screen on the market is, something 
>>> the size of an iPhone or something could e magical solution. Maybe the 
>>> Macbook is just the best option though, but having two hard drives would
>> be great.
>>> 
>>> Any comments on portability?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Brian.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> From: "Kevin Reeves" 
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 6:13 PM
>>> To: 
>>> Subject: Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing
>>> 
 The catch with the minis is that you need a screen for it to run at 
 optimum levels. Oddly enough, at least with my mini, which is mid 
 2009, without a monitor, the system is very sluggish. Many other 
 folks have noticed this as well. However, I'm not sure if this is 
 also true for the newest minis or the mini server.
>> 
> 

Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing

[Frank Carmickle]

Hi Brian

Yeah SSD's are where it's at.  I would say these mbp's can handle an SSD and a 
7200 rpm drive with out trouble.  I haven't put the second disk in mine yet.  I 
am running a SSD and you can edit and mix small projects just on the SSD with 
out a second drive.  Bigger track counts you would probably want a second 
drive.  I would consider two SSD's instead of a 7200 rpm drive.  Now that the 
2011 macs all have thunderbolt you can get some really fast drives. FW800 is 
actually quite slow in todays standards.  There are only a few thunderbolt 
drive enclosures thus far but there will be more.  This is what really makes 
the mac mini an option now.  The quad core and a thunderbolt port allow you to 
run pro tools hd with a thunderbolt expansion chasis.

HTH
--FC

On Oct 22, 2011, at 4:34 PM, Brian Casey wrote:

> Could you put an SSD as one of the drives...I assume they don't have heating 
> issues as they don't have moving parts...although, again, I don't know much 
> abou  these things so I could be completely wrong there!
> 
> Brian.
> 
> --
> From: "Nickus de Vos" 
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 8:23 PM
> To: "Pro Tools Accessibility" 
> Subject: Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing
> 
>> Wow sounds cool but does the MBP motherboard do fine with the 2 hard
>> drives?
>> 
>> Kevin Reeves wrote:
>>> You can still have 2 hard drives with the macbook. OWC sells this device 
>>> called the Data doubler. It's a mounting bracket that fits in the Macbook 
>>> Pro in place of the optical drive. This lets you add a second hd in the 
>>> machine. As far as the optical drive you just pulled out, you can then 
>>> mount it into an external drive enclosure designed for laptop dvd drives. 
>>> Then, you've got your 2 hd's and your dvd drive as an external when you 
>>> need it.

Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing

[Frank Carmickle]

Hey J. R.

The MBP 2010 and newer do have fans.  Run PT for a while and then feel around 
the back under the display hinge.

HTH
--FC

On Oct 22, 2011, at 4:19 PM, J. R. Westmoreland wrote:

> I am just saying what I read that the 7200 drives, at least in my Mac Book,
> weren't recommended. That seemed strange to me as well so I tried it and it
> works fine.
> I can't speak to the two drive issue. That one, it seems to me, could
> definitely cause a heating issue. The HD runs much warmer than an optical
> drive and for a longer amount of time.
> Remember there are no fans for cooling in the Mac Book Pro. 
> 
> Now, if I could find a mixing surface for 8 channels that was as light as my
> Mac Book Pro then I'd really have something. LOL
> 
> Best,
> J. R.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Nickus de Vos
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 1:17 PM
> To: Pro Tools Accessibility
> Subject: Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing
> 
> Just did a bit of reading on Kevin's 3rd party DIY upgrade idea. I always
> thought there's something special to apple memory but turns out they use
> normal memory mostly samsung and hynix not even kingston and I'm a huge fan
> of kingston ram. As for the hard drives looks like they mostly use seagate
> which is fine with me I only use seagate drives they are the most relyable
> in my experience. I don't know how apple can say a MBP with max ram and 7200
> RPM hard drive can cause heat problems because you can order it from them
> that way so obviously they did some testing and why give people that option
> if it causes problems. Oh and on the MBP I've seen posts in a few places
> that new MBP's will be released in the next week or two, only upgrades is
> the processors they will have sandybridge I5 processors can't remember if
> there's I7's as well. Think you'll get a 2.2 GHz a 2.6 GHz and a 2.8 but I
> could be wrong can't exactly remember, also know they said it will stay the
> same price as the current ones.
> 
> Brian Casey wrote:
>> That seems a bit crazy! I'm no computing genious but I would have 
>> thought that wouldn't make a difference. Especially if it's a server. 
>> I wonder what the smallist/cheepist screen on the market is, something 
>> the size of an iPhone or something could e magical solution. Maybe the 
>> Macbook is just the best option though, but having two hard drives would
> be great.
>> 
>> Any comments on portability?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Brian.
>> 
>> --
>> From: "Kevin Reeves" 
>> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 6:13 PM
>> To: 
>> Subject: Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing
>> 
>>> The catch with the minis is that you need a screen for it to run at 
>>> optimum levels. Oddly enough, at least with my mini, which is mid 
>>> 2009, without a monitor, the system is very sluggish. Many other 
>>> folks have noticed this as well. However, I'm not sure if this is 
>>> also true for the newest minis or the mini server.
> 

Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing

[Brian Casey]

Yeah definitely, 8 gigs would be great. I unfortunately purchased a new pc 
just a few months ago and went with 4 gig and am regretting it. It was 
advertised as having quiet opporation and it is anything but...I hadn't 
known about the mac mini server at the time and didn't think I'd need 
something that portable either, but circumstances change. There are almost 
always regrets w ith computer purchases eventually though I suppose!


--
From: "Jim Noseworthy" 
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:16 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing


Brian:

I actually sold my MacBook Pro in order to purchase the Mac Mini Server.

You would probably want to upgrade the 4 GB to 8 GB though.

Cheers.


- Original Message - 
From: "Brian Casey" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing



Hi Jim,

Thanks for that input. The screenless mini could be a great option for me 
in that case. Have you been happy with it compared to going down the 
macbook /imac route?


Brian.

--
From: "Jim Noseworthy" 
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 9:48 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing


Hello:

That is no longer true.  I am using my mini without a screen.

Cheers.


- Original Message - 
From: "Kevin Reeves" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing


The catch with the minis is that you need a screen for it to run at 
optimum levels. Oddly enough, at least with my mini, which is mid 2009, 
without a monitor, the system is very sluggish. Many other folks have 
noticed this as well. However, I'm not sure if this is also true for the 
newest minis or the mini server.
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Re: working with full sized keyboardd

[Kevin Reeves]

Use the key above the delete key in the 6 pack. That acts as the FN key. Or, go 
into the keyboard prefs in system preferences and check the box that says 
function keys control software. Can't remember exactly how it's worded, but 
it's in the main keyboard prefs dialog. Hope that helps.

Kevin

Re: The instrument pac from Avid accessible?

[Scott Chesworth]

Yah, similar situation here man. Playing live tons, totally happy with
that rig, but I'm not tracking often enough to justify upgrading
anything at the moment. For now, just have to keep hoping that I cross
paths with someone who owns the full version so I can sit down with it
for a while. I sold my Sansamp PSA-1 rack when that plugin started
coming free with PT and haven't regretted that yet, so I guess it is
possible to make a software-centric setup work.

On 10/22/11, Stephen Martin  wrote:
> The problem is since i already own a Line 6 POD, a nice low wattage tube amp
> and an MBox Pro interface, I can't really justify the cost of an upgrade to
> the free version of 11 not knowing that its fully accessible and knowing
> that it will actually sound that much better than my pod. I'll play with the
> free version of 11 and see how i like it. if it blows me away that much that
> i am willing to get rid of the POD then we'll see.But if i knew the full
> version of 11 was accessible it would be work it to ditch my cloogy, but
> working partially accessible POD set up.
> On Oct 22, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>
>> I've only used Eleven Free briefly, but from what I saw it seemed
>> simple in terms of accessibility and pretty sweet in terms of actual
>> sound. Your basic amp controls were all visible to VO in the plugin
>> window, latching buttons were visible as well (if a little clunky to
>> change the state of), same with effects. Saving and recalling presets
>> was done using the standard controls. There's a lot more in the full
>> version, can't say whether we'd be able to use everything, but I'd
>> love to know anything else you find out about it.
>>
>> Hth
>> Scott
>>
>> On 10/22/11, Stephen Martin  wrote:
>>> Being mainly a guitar player, i was actually wondering if 11 was
>>> accessible.
>>> Is there a freee version that came with PT? I don't rememver seeing it on
>>> my
>>> plug ins list or on my dvd, but i'll look again if there is supposed to
>>> be
>>> one included.
>>>
>>> On Oct 21, 2011, at 11:07 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote:
>>>
 From what I've heard from Vinny and Brian Smart, the presets in the
 instruments like 11, the rhodes, etc are Pro Tools presets, so they are
 indeed accessible in the plugin window. However, Not sure about strike
 and
 transfuser. Regarding Structure, the presets are in a patch browser, so
 they are not accessible via the window. However, Chuck or Jason has
 created Pro Tools presets for the entire structure library. I don't have
 this instrument pack as of yet, so I can't comment on this personally.
 I'm
 only going by what folks have mentioned. Regarding 10, I'm not sure
 about
 the upgrade. I'm sure that they didn't remove any accessibility
 features,
 but whether they've added anything, I highly doubt. I'm not really all
 that excited about the feature set that I saw, but maybe there's
 something
 in there that will totally make it worth the upgrade. Hope that helps.

 Kevin
>>>
>>>
>
>

Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing

[Jim Noseworthy]

Brian:

I actually sold my MacBook Pro in order to purchase the Mac Mini Server.

You would probably want to upgrade the 4 GB to 8 GB though.

Cheers.


- Original Message - 
From: "Brian Casey" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing



Hi Jim,

Thanks for that input. The screenless mini could be a great option for me 
in that case. Have you been happy with it compared to going down the 
macbook /imac route?


Brian.

--
From: "Jim Noseworthy" 
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 9:48 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing


Hello:

That is no longer true.  I am using my mini without a screen.

Cheers.


- Original Message - 
From: "Kevin Reeves" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing


The catch with the minis is that you need a screen for it to run at 
optimum levels. Oddly enough, at least with my mini, which is mid 2009, 
without a monitor, the system is very sluggish. Many other folks have 
noticed this as well. However, I'm not sure if this is also true for the 
newest minis or the mini server.
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Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing

[Brian Casey]

Hi Jim,

Thanks for that input. The screenless mini could be a great option for me in 
that case. Have you been happy with it compared to going down the macbook 
/imac route?


Brian.

--
From: "Jim Noseworthy" 
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 9:48 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing


Hello:

That is no longer true.  I am using my mini without a screen.

Cheers.


- Original Message - 
From: "Kevin Reeves" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing


The catch with the minis is that you need a screen for it to run at 
optimum levels. Oddly enough, at least with my mini, which is mid 2009, 
without a monitor, the system is very sluggish. Many other folks have 
noticed this as well. However, I'm not sure if this is also true for the 
newest minis or the mini server.
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Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing

[Stephen Martin]

Though if one can afford it i would recommend going with the 256GB SSD Boot 
drive and the second 750 spinning drive option. One of the few things  i miss 
about owning that machine 

On Oct 22, 2011, at 4:48 PM, Jim Noseworthy wrote:

> Hello:
> 
> The MAC MINI Server has two 500 GB 7200 rpm drives.
> 
> Cheers.
> 
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Brian Casey" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 2:09 PM
> Subject: Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing
> 
> 
>> Kevin,
>> 
>> I like your ideas on the third party options etc, seems practical and 
>> something I'd look into. The Mini server particularly sounds interesting. 
>> Other than saving on the screen, what differences would there be between the 
>> MBP and the mini? I heard the mini and the imacs have just laptop components 
>> in them anyway, but would they have better cooling, would they be less well 
>> equiped for portable use etc? Basically, I'm thinking about buying a laptop 
>> for using live for various stuff, but if it was as portable, why not grab a 
>> mini server too, if nothing else, it would be easier to disguise on stage 
>> without a screen etc.
>> 
>> Any thoughts? I'd just like to get the best bang for buck for something 
>> portable and it makes sense just to buy apple even if I dual boot with 
>> windows for the moment.
>> 
>> Brian.
>> --
>> From: "Kevin Reeves" 
>> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 4:15 AM
>> To: 
>> Subject: Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing
>> 
>>> I think either the Mini server or the mbp are great choices. On both counts 
>>> though, I wouldn't order any features from the apple site. Build the 
>>> machine to order and put the fastest proc in that you can, but strip away 
>>> everything else. Then, get some kingston or crucial ram, and either a 7200 
>>> rpm hybrid drive, or an SSD. You can get these items third party, which 
>>> will make it much cheaper. The bottom of the macbook pro comes off easily 
>>> and you can get to the drives and ram. Not sure about the Mini, but I've 
>>> been told it's easy to crack into, especially the new one. This is just my 
>>> 2 cents, so definitely compare what you're reading here. Good luck, and I 
>>> hope you can use this advice here to come up with a machine that fits your 
>>> needs and your budget.
>>> 
>>> Kevin
>> 
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Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing

[Stephen Martin]

Also depending on your needs and how much processing power you need, the 
macbook air would be great for live environments, lightweight, sad drives so no 
hard drive to skip from vibrations on stage, and long battery life, especially 
when you turn down the screen brightness all the way, and turn off wi-fi and 
bluetooth among other things.
On Oct 22, 2011, at 4:44 PM, Brian Casey wrote:

> Thanks or all that...excelent food for thought.
> 
> Haha, of course I forgot the most obvious advantage of a laptop in the live 
> environment, the baterry of course!
> 
> --
> From: "Stephen Martin" 
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 9:38 PM
> To: 
> Subject: Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing
> 
>> I owned the current Gen server model of the mini for a couple weeks like i 
>> said before, and  the sluggish without a monitor issue didn't seem to exist 
>> with that one. I also remember hearing from a number of sources before 
>> purchasing mine that that issue was no longer with current gen mini's. The 
>> Mini is definitely portable enough to take to a gig and etc. The downside to 
>> a mini is no battery power option. Also remember if you guys plan to extend 
>> your apple care protection plan past the 1 year that comes with your mac 
>> then be care flu about upgrading after market. If apple didn't upgrade the 
>> internals or you didn't get the ram from apple and install it yourself, they 
>> won't even look at your machine when you try to get it serviced. So if you 
>> put after market parts in there, put the originals back in before taking it 
>> back in for servicing or before the tech shows up at your house.The only 
>> negative i have heard about swapping out your optical drive for another 
>> internal Hard drive on the laptops is it adds more weight to the machine. No 
>> complains about it overheating or anything like that.
>> On Oct 22, 2011, at 4:19 PM, J. R. Westmoreland wrote:
>> 
>>> I am just saying what I read that the 7200 drives, at least in my Mac Book,
>>> weren't recommended. That seemed strange to me as well so I tried it and it
>>> works fine.
>>> I can't speak to the two drive issue. That one, it seems to me, could
>>> definitely cause a heating issue. The HD runs much warmer than an optical
>>> drive and for a longer amount of time.
>>> Remember there are no fans for cooling in the Mac Book Pro.
>>> 
>>> Now, if I could find a mixing surface for 8 channels that was as light as my
>>> Mac Book Pro then I'd really have something. LOL
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> J. R.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Nickus de Vos
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 1:17 PM
>>> To: Pro Tools Accessibility
>>> Subject: Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing
>>> 
>>> Just did a bit of reading on Kevin's 3rd party DIY upgrade idea. I always
>>> thought there's something special to apple memory but turns out they use
>>> normal memory mostly samsung and hynix not even kingston and I'm a huge fan
>>> of kingston ram. As for the hard drives looks like they mostly use seagate
>>> which is fine with me I only use seagate drives they are the most relyable
>>> in my experience. I don't know how apple can say a MBP with max ram and 7200
>>> RPM hard drive can cause heat problems because you can order it from them
>>> that way so obviously they did some testing and why give people that option
>>> if it causes problems. Oh and on the MBP I've seen posts in a few places
>>> that new MBP's will be released in the next week or two, only upgrades is
>>> the processors they will have sandybridge I5 processors can't remember if
>>> there's I7's as well. Think you'll get a 2.2 GHz a 2.6 GHz and a 2.8 but I
>>> could be wrong can't exactly remember, also know they said it will stay the
>>> same price as the current ones.
>>> 
>>> Brian Casey wrote:
 That seems a bit crazy! I'm no computing genious but I would have
 thought that wouldn't make a difference. Especially if it's a server.
 I wonder what the smallist/cheepist screen on the market is, something
 the size of an iPhone or something could e magical solution. Maybe the
 Macbook is just the best option though, but having two hard drives would
>>> be great.
 
 Any comments on portability?
 
 Thanks,
 Brian.
 
 --
 From: "Kevin Reeves" 
 Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 6:13 PM
 To: 
 Subject: Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing
 
> The catch with the minis is that you need a screen for it to run at
> optimum levels. Oddly enough, at least with my mini, which is mid
> 2009, without a monitor, the system is very sluggish. Many other
> folks have noticed this as well. However, I'm not sure if this is
> also true for the newest minis or the mini server.
>>> 
>> 

Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing

[Jim Noseworthy]

Hello:

That is no longer true.  I am using my mini without a screen.

Cheers.


- Original Message - 
From: "Kevin Reeves" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing


The catch with the minis is that you need a screen for it to run at optimum 
levels. Oddly enough, at least with my mini, which is mid 2009, without a 
monitor, the system is very sluggish. Many other folks have noticed this as 
well. However, I'm not sure if this is also true for the newest minis or the 
mini server.
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Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing

[Jim Noseworthy]

Hello:

The MAC MINI Server has two 500 GB 7200 rpm drives.

Cheers.


- Original Message - 
From: "Brian Casey" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing



Kevin,

I like your ideas on the third party options etc, seems practical and 
something I'd look into. The Mini server particularly sounds interesting. 
Other than saving on the screen, what differences would there be between 
the MBP and the mini? I heard the mini and the imacs have just laptop 
components in them anyway, but would they have better cooling, would they 
be less well equiped for portable use etc? Basically, I'm thinking about 
buying a laptop for using live for various stuff, but if it was as 
portable, why not grab a mini server too, if nothing else, it would be 
easier to disguise on stage without a screen etc.


Any thoughts? I'd just like to get the best bang for buck for something 
portable and it makes sense just to buy apple even if I dual boot with 
windows for the moment.


Brian.
--
From: "Kevin Reeves" 
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 4:15 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing

I think either the Mini server or the mbp are great choices. On both 
counts though, I wouldn't order any features from the apple site. Build 
the machine to order and put the fastest proc in that you can, but strip 
away everything else. Then, get some kingston or crucial ram, and either 
a 7200 rpm hybrid drive, or an SSD. You can get these items third party, 
which will make it much cheaper. The bottom of the macbook pro comes off 
easily and you can get to the drives and ram. Not sure about the Mini, 
but I've been told it's easy to crack into, especially the new one. This 
is just my 2 cents, so definitely compare what you're reading here. Good 
luck, and I hope you can use this advice here to come up with a machine 
that fits your needs and your budget.


Kevin



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working with full sized keyboardd

[Stephen Martin]

Ok so i have a full size apple wired keyboard that i use with PT. However the 
Funtion keys across the very top row is programmed for all the  OSX shortcuts  
like screen brightness, volume etc. So say when i do VO+F3  nothing happens. On 
my laptop i would press VO+FN+F3 to resolve this. How do u do the same on a 
full sized keyboard that doesn't have a FN key?

Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing

[Brian Casey]

Thanks or all that...excelent food for thought.

Haha, of course I forgot the most obvious advantage of a laptop in the live 
environment, the baterry of course!


--
From: "Stephen Martin" 
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 9:38 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing

I owned the current Gen server model of the mini for a couple weeks like i 
said before, and  the sluggish without a monitor issue didn't seem to 
exist with that one. I also remember hearing from a number of sources 
before purchasing mine that that issue was no longer with current gen 
mini's. The Mini is definitely portable enough to take to a gig and etc. 
The downside to a mini is no battery power option. Also remember if you 
guys plan to extend your apple care protection plan past the 1 year that 
comes with your mac then be care flu about upgrading after market. If 
apple didn't upgrade the internals or you didn't get the ram from apple 
and install it yourself, they won't even look at your machine when you try 
to get it serviced. So if you put after market parts in there, put the 
originals back in before taking it back in for servicing or before the 
tech shows up at your house.The only negative i have heard about swapping 
out your optical drive for another internal Hard drive on the laptops is 
it adds more weight to the machine. No complains about it overheating or 
anything like that.

On Oct 22, 2011, at 4:19 PM, J. R. Westmoreland wrote:

I am just saying what I read that the 7200 drives, at least in my Mac 
Book,
weren't recommended. That seemed strange to me as well so I tried it and 
it

works fine.
I can't speak to the two drive issue. That one, it seems to me, could
definitely cause a heating issue. The HD runs much warmer than an optical
drive and for a longer amount of time.
Remember there are no fans for cooling in the Mac Book Pro.

Now, if I could find a mixing surface for 8 channels that was as light as 
my

Mac Book Pro then I'd really have something. LOL

Best,
J. R.


-Original Message-
From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf

Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 1:17 PM
To: Pro Tools Accessibility
Subject: Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing

Just did a bit of reading on Kevin's 3rd party DIY upgrade idea. I always
thought there's something special to apple memory but turns out they use
normal memory mostly samsung and hynix not even kingston and I'm a huge 
fan
of kingston ram. As for the hard drives looks like they mostly use 
seagate
which is fine with me I only use seagate drives they are the most 
relyable
in my experience. I don't know how apple can say a MBP with max ram and 
7200

RPM hard drive can cause heat problems because you can order it from them
that way so obviously they did some testing and why give people that 
option

if it causes problems. Oh and on the MBP I've seen posts in a few places
that new MBP's will be released in the next week or two, only upgrades is
the processors they will have sandybridge I5 processors can't remember if
there's I7's as well. Think you'll get a 2.2 GHz a 2.6 GHz and a 2.8 but 
I
could be wrong can't exactly remember, also know they said it will stay 
the

same price as the current ones.

Brian Casey wrote:

That seems a bit crazy! I'm no computing genious but I would have
thought that wouldn't make a difference. Especially if it's a server.
I wonder what the smallist/cheepist screen on the market is, something
the size of an iPhone or something could e magical solution. Maybe the
Macbook is just the best option though, but having two hard drives would

be great.


Any comments on portability?

Thanks,
Brian.

--
From: "Kevin Reeves" 
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 6:13 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing


The catch with the minis is that you need a screen for it to run at
optimum levels. Oddly enough, at least with my mini, which is mid
2009, without a monitor, the system is very sluggish. Many other
folks have noticed this as well. However, I'm not sure if this is
also true for the newest minis or the mini server.

Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing

[Stephen Martin]

I owned the current Gen server model of the mini for a couple weeks like i said 
before, and  the sluggish without a monitor issue didn't seem to exist with 
that one. I also remember hearing from a number of sources before purchasing 
mine that that issue was no longer with current gen mini's. The Mini is 
definitely portable enough to take to a gig and etc. The downside to a mini is 
no battery power option. Also remember if you guys plan to extend your apple 
care protection plan past the 1 year that comes with your mac then be care flu 
about upgrading after market. If apple didn't upgrade the internals or you 
didn't get the ram from apple and install it yourself, they won't even look at 
your machine when you try to get it serviced. So if you put after market parts 
in there, put the originals back in before taking it back in for servicing or 
before the tech shows up at your house.The only negative i have heard about 
swapping out your optical drive for another internal Hard drive on the laptops 
is it adds more weight to the machine. No complains about it overheating or 
anything like that.
On Oct 22, 2011, at 4:19 PM, J. R. Westmoreland wrote:

> I am just saying what I read that the 7200 drives, at least in my Mac Book,
> weren't recommended. That seemed strange to me as well so I tried it and it
> works fine.
> I can't speak to the two drive issue. That one, it seems to me, could
> definitely cause a heating issue. The HD runs much warmer than an optical
> drive and for a longer amount of time.
> Remember there are no fans for cooling in the Mac Book Pro. 
> 
> Now, if I could find a mixing surface for 8 channels that was as light as my
> Mac Book Pro then I'd really have something. LOL
> 
> Best,
> J. R.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Nickus de Vos
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 1:17 PM
> To: Pro Tools Accessibility
> Subject: Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing
> 
> Just did a bit of reading on Kevin's 3rd party DIY upgrade idea. I always
> thought there's something special to apple memory but turns out they use
> normal memory mostly samsung and hynix not even kingston and I'm a huge fan
> of kingston ram. As for the hard drives looks like they mostly use seagate
> which is fine with me I only use seagate drives they are the most relyable
> in my experience. I don't know how apple can say a MBP with max ram and 7200
> RPM hard drive can cause heat problems because you can order it from them
> that way so obviously they did some testing and why give people that option
> if it causes problems. Oh and on the MBP I've seen posts in a few places
> that new MBP's will be released in the next week or two, only upgrades is
> the processors they will have sandybridge I5 processors can't remember if
> there's I7's as well. Think you'll get a 2.2 GHz a 2.6 GHz and a 2.8 but I
> could be wrong can't exactly remember, also know they said it will stay the
> same price as the current ones.
> 
> Brian Casey wrote:
>> That seems a bit crazy! I'm no computing genious but I would have 
>> thought that wouldn't make a difference. Especially if it's a server. 
>> I wonder what the smallist/cheepist screen on the market is, something 
>> the size of an iPhone or something could e magical solution. Maybe the 
>> Macbook is just the best option though, but having two hard drives would
> be great.
>> 
>> Any comments on portability?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Brian.
>> 
>> --
>> From: "Kevin Reeves" 
>> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 6:13 PM
>> To: 
>> Subject: Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing
>> 
>>> The catch with the minis is that you need a screen for it to run at 
>>> optimum levels. Oddly enough, at least with my mini, which is mid 
>>> 2009, without a monitor, the system is very sluggish. Many other 
>>> folks have noticed this as well. However, I'm not sure if this is 
>>> also true for the newest minis or the mini server.
> 

Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing

[Brian Casey]

Could you put an SSD as one of the drives...I assume they don't have heating 
issues as they don't have moving parts...although, again, I don't know much 
abou  these things so I could be completely wrong there!


Brian.

--
From: "Nickus de Vos" 
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 8:23 PM
To: "Pro Tools Accessibility" 
Subject: Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing


Wow sounds cool but does the MBP motherboard do fine with the 2 hard
drives?

Kevin Reeves wrote:
You can still have 2 hard drives with the macbook. OWC sells this device 
called the Data doubler. It's a mounting bracket that fits in the Macbook 
Pro in place of the optical drive. This lets you add a second hd in the 
machine. As far as the optical drive you just pulled out, you can then 
mount it into an external drive enclosure designed for laptop dvd drives. 
Then, you've got your 2 hd's and your dvd drive as an external when you 
need it.

Re: The instrument pac from Avid accessible?

[Stephen Martin]

The problem is since i already own a Line 6 POD, a nice low wattage tube amp 
and an MBox Pro interface, I can't really justify the cost of an upgrade to the 
free version of 11 not knowing that its fully accessible and knowing that it 
will actually sound that much better than my pod. I'll play with the free 
version of 11 and see how i like it. if it blows me away that much that i am 
willing to get rid of the POD then we'll see.But if i knew the full version of 
11 was accessible it would be work it to ditch my cloogy, but working partially 
accessible POD set up.
On Oct 22, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:

> I've only used Eleven Free briefly, but from what I saw it seemed
> simple in terms of accessibility and pretty sweet in terms of actual
> sound. Your basic amp controls were all visible to VO in the plugin
> window, latching buttons were visible as well (if a little clunky to
> change the state of), same with effects. Saving and recalling presets
> was done using the standard controls. There's a lot more in the full
> version, can't say whether we'd be able to use everything, but I'd
> love to know anything else you find out about it.
> 
> Hth
> Scott
> 
> On 10/22/11, Stephen Martin  wrote:
>> Being mainly a guitar player, i was actually wondering if 11 was accessible.
>> Is there a freee version that came with PT? I don't rememver seeing it on my
>> plug ins list or on my dvd, but i'll look again if there is supposed to be
>> one included.
>> 
>> On Oct 21, 2011, at 11:07 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote:
>> 
>>> From what I've heard from Vinny and Brian Smart, the presets in the
>>> instruments like 11, the rhodes, etc are Pro Tools presets, so they are
>>> indeed accessible in the plugin window. However, Not sure about strike and
>>> transfuser. Regarding Structure, the presets are in a patch browser, so
>>> they are not accessible via the window. However, Chuck or Jason has
>>> created Pro Tools presets for the entire structure library. I don't have
>>> this instrument pack as of yet, so I can't comment on this personally. I'm
>>> only going by what folks have mentioned. Regarding 10, I'm not sure about
>>> the upgrade. I'm sure that they didn't remove any accessibility features,
>>> but whether they've added anything, I highly doubt. I'm not really all
>>> that excited about the feature set that I saw, but maybe there's something
>>> in there that will totally make it worth the upgrade. Hope that helps.
>>> 
>>> Kevin
>> 
>> 

RE: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing

[J. R. Westmoreland]

I am just saying what I read that the 7200 drives, at least in my Mac Book,
weren't recommended. That seemed strange to me as well so I tried it and it
works fine.
I can't speak to the two drive issue. That one, it seems to me, could
definitely cause a heating issue. The HD runs much warmer than an optical
drive and for a longer amount of time.
Remember there are no fans for cooling in the Mac Book Pro. 

Now, if I could find a mixing surface for 8 channels that was as light as my
Mac Book Pro then I'd really have something. LOL

Best,
J. R.


-Original Message-
From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 1:17 PM
To: Pro Tools Accessibility
Subject: Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing

Just did a bit of reading on Kevin's 3rd party DIY upgrade idea. I always
thought there's something special to apple memory but turns out they use
normal memory mostly samsung and hynix not even kingston and I'm a huge fan
of kingston ram. As for the hard drives looks like they mostly use seagate
which is fine with me I only use seagate drives they are the most relyable
in my experience. I don't know how apple can say a MBP with max ram and 7200
RPM hard drive can cause heat problems because you can order it from them
that way so obviously they did some testing and why give people that option
if it causes problems. Oh and on the MBP I've seen posts in a few places
that new MBP's will be released in the next week or two, only upgrades is
the processors they will have sandybridge I5 processors can't remember if
there's I7's as well. Think you'll get a 2.2 GHz a 2.6 GHz and a 2.8 but I
could be wrong can't exactly remember, also know they said it will stay the
same price as the current ones.

Brian Casey wrote:
> That seems a bit crazy! I'm no computing genious but I would have 
> thought that wouldn't make a difference. Especially if it's a server. 
> I wonder what the smallist/cheepist screen on the market is, something 
> the size of an iPhone or something could e magical solution. Maybe the 
> Macbook is just the best option though, but having two hard drives would
be great.
>
> Any comments on portability?
>
> Thanks,
> Brian.
>
> --
> From: "Kevin Reeves" 
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 6:13 PM
> To: 
> Subject: Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing
>
> > The catch with the minis is that you need a screen for it to run at 
> > optimum levels. Oddly enough, at least with my mini, which is mid 
> > 2009, without a monitor, the system is very sluggish. Many other 
> > folks have noticed this as well. However, I'm not sure if this is 
> > also true for the newest minis or the mini server.

Working with Busses.

[Stephen Martin]

Hello,

Working on a project and i am stuck here. So this project has about 10 tracks 
with a few sends. There is a Drums and Vocal buss  that all the drum and vocal 
tracks are pointed to from the output menu of their respective tracks. A submit 
buss that all the tracks outputs point to, and a chorus and delay bus that 
different tracks are sent to. Now whenever i try to add a new bus  as a send on 
one track, its putting it on every track  in the project. Why is this? What or 
where did i go wrong?  There doesn't seem to be any active groups for me to 
disable  that all my tracks became a part of somehow, so any other suggestions?
Thanks

Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing

[Kevin Reeves]

Yep. Absolutely.

Kevin

Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing

[Brian Casey]

That is also a good idea...I suppose I really just liked the idea of not 
spending money on a screen I never needed. But at the end of the day a 
laptop probably has advantages in a number of ways, and with two hard drives 
it could be a great option. I rarely use the optical drive at the best of 
times in any machine.


Thanks for the ideas Kevin, I'd be asking these questions else where, but I 
thought this list might be the ideal way to discuss screenless options for 
obvious reasons.


Brian.
--
From: "Kevin Reeves" 
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 8:08 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing

You can still have 2 hard drives with the macbook. OWC sells this device 
called the Data doubler. It's a mounting bracket that fits in the Macbook 
Pro in place of the optical drive. This lets you add a second hd in the 
machine. As far as the optical drive you just pulled out, you can then 
mount it into an external drive enclosure designed for laptop dvd drives. 
Then, you've got your 2 hd's and your dvd drive as an external when you 
need it.

Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing

[Nickus de Vos]

Wow sounds cool but does the MBP motherboard do fine with the 2 hard
drives?

Kevin Reeves wrote:
> You can still have 2 hard drives with the macbook. OWC sells this device 
> called the Data doubler. It's a mounting bracket that fits in the Macbook Pro 
> in place of the optical drive. This lets you add a second hd in the machine. 
> As far as the optical drive you just pulled out, you can then mount it into 
> an external drive enclosure designed for laptop dvd drives. Then, you've got 
> your 2 hd's and your dvd drive as an external when you need it.

Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing

[Nickus de Vos]

Just did a bit of reading on Kevin's 3rd party DIY upgrade idea. I
always thought there's something special to apple memory but turns out
they use normal memory mostly samsung and hynix not even kingston and
I'm a huge fan of kingston ram. As for the hard drives looks like they
mostly use seagate which is fine with me I only use seagate drives
they are the most relyable in my experience. I don't know how apple
can say a MBP with max ram and 7200 RPM hard drive can cause heat
problems because you can order it from them that way so obviously they
did some testing and why give people that option if it causes
problems. Oh and on the MBP I've seen posts in a few places that new
MBP's will be released in the next week or two, only upgrades is the
processors they will have sandybridge I5 processors can't remember if
there's I7's as well. Think you'll get a 2.2 GHz a 2.6 GHz and a 2.8
but I could be wrong can't exactly remember, also know they said it
will stay the same price as the current ones.

Brian Casey wrote:
> That seems a bit crazy! I'm no computing genious but I would have thought
> that wouldn't make a difference. Especially if it's a server. I wonder what
> the smallist/cheepist screen on the market is, something the size of an
> iPhone or something could e magical solution. Maybe the Macbook is just the
> best option though, but having two hard drives would be great.
>
> Any comments on portability?
>
> Thanks,
> Brian.
>
> --
> From: "Kevin Reeves" 
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 6:13 PM
> To: 
> Subject: Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing
>
> > The catch with the minis is that you need a screen for it to run at
> > optimum levels. Oddly enough, at least with my mini, which is mid 2009,
> > without a monitor, the system is very sluggish. Many other folks have
> > noticed this as well. However, I'm not sure if this is also true for the
> > newest minis or the mini server.

Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing

[Kevin Reeves]

You can still have 2 hard drives with the macbook. OWC sells this device called 
the Data doubler. It's a mounting bracket that fits in the Macbook Pro in place 
of the optical drive. This lets you add a second hd in the machine. As far as 
the optical drive you just pulled out, you can then mount it into an external 
drive enclosure designed for laptop dvd drives. Then, you've got your 2 hd's 
and your dvd drive as an external when you need it. 

Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing

[Brian Casey]

That seems a bit crazy! I'm no computing genious but I would have thought 
that wouldn't make a difference. Especially if it's a server. I wonder what 
the smallist/cheepist screen on the market is, something the size of an 
iPhone or something could e magical solution. Maybe the Macbook is just the 
best option though, but having two hard drives would be great.


Any comments on portability?

Thanks,
Brian.

--
From: "Kevin Reeves" 
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 6:13 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing

The catch with the minis is that you need a screen for it to run at 
optimum levels. Oddly enough, at least with my mini, which is mid 2009, 
without a monitor, the system is very sluggish. Many other folks have 
noticed this as well. However, I'm not sure if this is also true for the 
newest minis or the mini server. 

Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing

[Kevin Reeves]

The catch with the minis is that you need a screen for it to run at optimum 
levels. Oddly enough, at least with my mini, which is mid 2009, without a 
monitor, the system is very sluggish. Many other folks have noticed this as 
well. However, I'm not sure if this is also true for the newest minis or the 
mini server.

Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing

[Brian Casey]

Kevin,

I like your ideas on the third party options etc, seems practical and 
something I'd look into. The Mini server particularly sounds interesting. 
Other than saving on the screen, what differences would there be between the 
MBP and the mini? I heard the mini and the imacs have just laptop components 
in them anyway, but would they have better cooling, would they be less well 
equiped for portable use etc? Basically, I'm thinking about buying a laptop 
for using live for various stuff, but if it was as portable, why not grab a 
mini server too, if nothing else, it would be easier to disguise on stage 
without a screen etc.


Any thoughts? I'd just like to get the best bang for buck for something 
portable and it makes sense just to buy apple even if I dual boot with 
windows for the moment.


Brian.
--
From: "Kevin Reeves" 
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 4:15 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing

I think either the Mini server or the mbp are great choices. On both 
counts though, I wouldn't order any features from the apple site. Build 
the machine to order and put the fastest proc in that you can, but strip 
away everything else. Then, get some kingston or crucial ram, and either a 
7200 rpm hybrid drive, or an SSD. You can get these items third party, 
which will make it much cheaper. The bottom of the macbook pro comes off 
easily and you can get to the drives and ram. Not sure about the Mini, but 
I've been told it's easy to crack into, especially the new one. This is 
just my 2 cents, so definitely compare what you're reading here. Good 
luck, and I hope you can use this advice here to come up with a machine 
that fits your needs and your budget.


Kevin 

RE: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing

[J. R. Westmoreland]

I have a iMac loaded to the max with memory and a quad core processor with
external firewire drives. I updated my Mac Book Pro to the max memory and a
larger 7200 RPM disk. The only thing I've heard about that one is that Apple
doesn't always recommend it because they say it can generate too much heat.
Personally, I haven't found it to be an issue.

HTH,
J. R.


-Original Message-
From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Kevin Reeves
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 9:16 PM
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing

I think either the Mini server or the mbp are great choices. On both counts
though, I wouldn't order any features from the apple site. Build the machine
to order and put the fastest proc in that you can, but strip away everything
else. Then, get some kingston or crucial ram, and either a 7200 rpm hybrid
drive, or an SSD. You can get these items third party, which will make it
much cheaper. The bottom of the macbook pro comes off easily and you can get
to the drives and ram. Not sure about the Mini, but I've been told it's easy
to crack into, especially the new one. This is just my 2 cents, so
definitely compare what you're reading here. Good luck, and I hope you can
use this advice here to come up with a machine that fits your needs and your
budget.

Kevin

Re: The instrument pac from Avid accessible?

[Scott Chesworth]

I've only used Eleven Free briefly, but from what I saw it seemed
simple in terms of accessibility and pretty sweet in terms of actual
sound. Your basic amp controls were all visible to VO in the plugin
window, latching buttons were visible as well (if a little clunky to
change the state of), same with effects. Saving and recalling presets
was done using the standard controls. There's a lot more in the full
version, can't say whether we'd be able to use everything, but I'd
love to know anything else you find out about it.

Hth
Scott

On 10/22/11, Stephen Martin  wrote:
> Being mainly a guitar player, i was actually wondering if 11 was accessible.
> Is there a freee version that came with PT? I don't rememver seeing it on my
> plug ins list or on my dvd, but i'll look again if there is supposed to be
> one included.
>
> On Oct 21, 2011, at 11:07 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote:
>
>> From what I've heard from Vinny and Brian Smart, the presets in the
>> instruments like 11, the rhodes, etc are Pro Tools presets, so they are
>> indeed accessible in the plugin window. However, Not sure about strike and
>> transfuser. Regarding Structure, the presets are in a patch browser, so
>> they are not accessible via the window. However, Chuck or Jason has
>> created Pro Tools presets for the entire structure library. I don't have
>> this instrument pack as of yet, so I can't comment on this personally. I'm
>> only going by what folks have mentioned. Regarding 10, I'm not sure about
>> the upgrade. I'm sure that they didn't remove any accessibility features,
>> but whether they've added anything, I highly doubt. I'm not really all
>> that excited about the feature set that I saw, but maybe there's something
>> in there that will totally make it worth the upgrade. Hope that helps.
>>
>> Kevin
>
>

Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing

[Stephen Martin]

Really, the new mini's are that easy to get into? I wish i realized that when i 
owned one briefly, and they screwed up my order and shipped me one with 4GB in 
stead of 8GB of RAM.  But their customer service sucked and they tried to 
doctor the invoice to show i ordered 4GB nevermind that they charged me for 8, 
btw never do business with macmall. And i did end up getting a sweet deal on a 
refurb top of the line iMac so it all worked out in the end. The iMac's i know 
is pretty easy to get access to the RAM slots. Don't try adding another HD or 
anything telse to those though, as it would involve using sucktion cups to 
remove the screen to get to the rest of the internals. 
On Oct 22, 2011, at 4:36 AM, Nickus de Vos wrote:

> Thanks Kevin yes the mini is also very easy to get in to, you don't
> even have to fiddle with screws the bottom pannel has a twisting lock
> thing you just twist and pull. Thanks for all the info it really helps
> a lot.
> 
> Kevin Reeves wrote:
>> I think either the Mini server or the mbp are great choices. On both counts 
>> though, I wouldn't order any features from the apple site. Build the machine 
>> to order and put the fastest proc in that you can, but strip away everything 
>> else. Then, get some kingston or crucial ram, and either a 7200 rpm hybrid 
>> drive, or an SSD. You can get these items third party, which will make it 
>> much cheaper. The bottom of the macbook pro comes off easily and you can get 
>> to the drives and ram. Not sure about the Mini, but I've been told it's easy 
>> to crack into, especially the new one. This is just my 2 cents, so 
>> definitely compare what you're reading here. Good luck, and I hope you can 
>> use this advice here to come up with a machine that fits your needs and your 
>> budget.
>> 
>> Kevin

Re: The instrument pac from Avid accessible?

[Stephen Martin]

Being mainly a guitar player, i was actually wondering if 11 was accessible. Is 
there a freee version that came with PT? I don't rememver seeing it on my plug 
ins list or on my dvd, but i'll look again if there is supposed to be one 
included.

On Oct 21, 2011, at 11:07 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote:

> From what I've heard from Vinny and Brian Smart, the presets in the 
> instruments like 11, the rhodes, etc are Pro Tools presets, so they are 
> indeed accessible in the plugin window. However, Not sure about strike and 
> transfuser. Regarding Structure, the presets are in a patch browser, so they 
> are not accessible via the window. However, Chuck or Jason has created Pro 
> Tools presets for the entire structure library. I don't have this instrument 
> pack as of yet, so I can't comment on this personally. I'm only going by what 
> folks have mentioned. Regarding 10, I'm not sure about the upgrade. I'm sure 
> that they didn't remove any accessibility features, but whether they've added 
> anything, I highly doubt. I'm not really all that excited about the feature 
> set that I saw, but maybe there's something in there that will totally make 
> it worth the upgrade. Hope that helps.
> 
> Kevin

Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing

[Nickus de Vos]

Thanks Kevin yes the mini is also very easy to get in to, you don't
even have to fiddle with screws the bottom pannel has a twisting lock
thing you just twist and pull. Thanks for all the info it really helps
a lot.

Kevin Reeves wrote:
> I think either the Mini server or the mbp are great choices. On both counts 
> though, I wouldn't order any features from the apple site. Build the machine 
> to order and put the fastest proc in that you can, but strip away everything 
> else. Then, get some kingston or crucial ram, and either a 7200 rpm hybrid 
> drive, or an SSD. You can get these items third party, which will make it 
> much cheaper. The bottom of the macbook pro comes off easily and you can get 
> to the drives and ram. Not sure about the Mini, but I've been told it's easy 
> to crack into, especially the new one. This is just my 2 cents, so definitely 
> compare what you're reading here. Good luck, and I hope you can use this 
> advice here to come up with a machine that fits your needs and your budget.
>
> Kevin