Re: Ed Gray

[Karen Lewellen]

Oh my,
such tragic news.
Ed leaves a legacy of creativity that makes him a little bit immortal.
Each time someone can make music, or produce a project now thanks to his 
passion genius and heart, his memory will surpass this deeply sad moment 
of loss.
Sending sincere  thoughts of peace to him, his family, and all of you who spent 
personal time with him.

Karen



On Wed, 22 Nov 2023, Ricky Prevatte wrote:


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Re: quick question about pro tools pricing, and the nature of flow tools?

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi Slau,
I am feeling better already, actual chapters instead of on line video 
stuff.Thanks for that.
hopefully sweetwater will talk with me, I  am in Toronto.  Will make an 
effort to see that box in person, I truly do need actual physical 
controls, quite loving  my digi 002 for that reason.

Cheers,
Kare



On Sat, 13 May 2023, Slau Halatyn wrote:


Hi Karen,

The Digi 002 has long since been unsupported by Pro Tools. I'm thinking that 
might have happened some 12 years ago or more. For control surfaces, the best 
bet these days is the Avid S1, ideally paired with an Avid Dock. Each surface 
runs around $1,000 or a bit more.

Upgrade paths for Pro Tools are sometimes confusing at best. I'd highly 
recommend contacting Sweetwater and let them sort things out and explain your 
options.

Flo Tools is virtually indispensable for any serious blind user but I wouldn't 
dive into it before you familiarize yourself with the current flavor of Pro 
Tools. It has changed dramatically from the version 6 days. For starters, I'd 
go through this free online resource for blind users provided by Berklee 
College of Music:
https://ptaccess.github.io/

That should get you up to speed. Hope that helps for now,

slau



On May 12, 2023, at 9:54 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Hi folks,
have been a major lurker because until now I had little reason to imagine 
updating my pro tools license.   Likewise, am unsure if I can do this, while 
keeping the personal accommodations I require for equipment.
Towards that end I have a couple of numbers related questions, mostly about pro 
tools, but come to consider I will ask about a mic setup as well.
I came to all his from studio radio, have a digi control surface in fact, with 
very important for me physical controls..and it is  still in working condition.
Our license goes back quite a while..pro tools 6.
leading me to the following questions.
What is the latest Pro tools I can upgrade to  that  still supports digi 002 
hardware?
If the mac, or macbook pro I intend using remains at the  pre Catalina days, 
will that impact my edition choice?
What about flow tools?
I am very use to, and prefer the physical aspects of mixing, again I came to 
pro tools from an NPR type of background.
Would I be better served paying for in-person training, I learn better this 
way, making flow tools less  of a reasonable approach?
lastly, leading from an analog to digital production setup  mindset, anyone 
here ever hear of an airbox?  If so, ideas on costs?
Thanks all the way around,
Karen




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quick question about pro tools pricing, and the nature of flow tools?

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi folks,
have been a major lurker because until now I had little reason to imagine 
updating my pro tools license.   Likewise, am unsure if I can do this, while 
keeping the personal accommodations I require for equipment.
Towards that end I have a couple of numbers related questions, mostly 
about pro tools, but come to consider I will ask about a mic setup as 
well.
I came to all his from studio radio, have a digi control surface in fact, 
with very important for me physical controls..and it is  still in working 
condition.

Our license goes back quite a while..pro tools 6.
leading me to the following questions.
What is the latest Pro tools I can upgrade to  that  still supports digi 
002 hardware?
If the mac, or macbook pro I intend using remains at the  pre Catalina 
days, will that impact my edition choice?

What about flow tools?
I am very use to, and prefer the physical aspects of mixing, again I came 
to pro tools from an NPR type of background.
Would I be better served paying for in-person training, I learn better 
this way, making flow tools less  of a reasonable approach?
lastly, leading from an analog to digital production setup  mindset, 
anyone here ever hear of an airbox?  If so, ideas on costs?

Thanks all the way around,
Karen

ot: slightly vocal imput software?

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi folks,
what I am seeking is a reliable tool allowing me to sing lines of music 
into my system, taking this file and inputting it into a tool for 
arranging 
instrument's, if possible doing the  final mix in pro tools if needful, and 
in the end printing the arrangement for live musicians to read.
There are certainly a number of audio input items, Jupler comes to mind, 
but I am hoping for some wisdom where access is concerned.
My situation is that where I am now my access to a physical keyboard I can 
use for this goal is limited.
I am writing allot, wanting to get  my music from my head into production 
form.

Thoughts?
Karen

Re: Diagram of a studio - for someone who is totally blind

[Karen Lewellen]

Well, this is quite nifty.
Still, have you asked the individual in question how they best follow 
information?
Your heart is in the right place, but many factors impact how an 
individual experiences  blindness, and how they personally  manage layouts 
of this kind in their head.
speaking personally,  this is not a generalized situation, where everyone 
sharing a label would follow your details  in the same fashion.

Does that make sense?
Kare



On Tue, 26 Oct 2021, Niklas Karlsson wrote:


Hi all,

Hope you are doing well!

I realize this may be a bit off-topic, I apologise for that, but I think you 
are the people who knows this best. :)
We have a bigger studio here in town, with several patches and pre-amps.
We want to build a map or diagram of the studio, so that one who's totally 
blind can get a picture of how the studio is built and the relation between 
each element.
As an example, we want to show that the microphone cable should go to a 
specific input in the patch in the recording room, then from the relevant patch 
channel in the control room to the pre-amp, and then from the pre-amp to the 
right channel on the mixer.
I hope you understand what we are trying to do. :)

Do you have any suggestions on how we could do this?
We thought about writing an Excel document with all elements, but since the 
screen reader only reads one cell at a time, it still becomes very hard to 
navigate around and to get an understanding of the relation between everything.

Thanks very much in advance for your help!

All the best!

Kind regards,
Niklas

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Re: pt sessions saved in different copies of Pro Tools?

[Karen Lewellen]

Thank you, that is terrific to know.
I have several hours of radio work all produced in pro tools saved on an 
external  hard drive.  I have been concerned that  we might lose those 
sessions   if we upgrade.

Thanks,



On Thu, 7 Feb 2019, Phil Muir wrote:


Yes.


On 7 February 2019 22:40:23 Karen Lewellen  wrote:


 Hi All,
 I would hope the answer would be yes given how many years people have been
 using Pro Tools in the media industry.  still, can any pro tools session
 be opened in the program even if  a different version from that in which
 the session was created?
 By which I mean, if the session was produced in a prior  version, can  it
 be opened and manipulated in later ones?
 Thanks,
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[Karen Lewellen]

Hi All,
I would hope the answer would be yes given how many years people have been 
using Pro Tools in the media industry.  still, can any pro tools session 
be opened in the program even if  a different version from that in which 
the session was created?
By which I mean, if the session was produced in a prior  version, can  it 
be opened and manipulated in later ones?

Thanks,
Karen

Re: magic keyboard

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi Lory,
You clearly go to amazing parties.
Seriously thanks for the magic keyboard information.
While I cannot help directly with  the pro tools  to speech situation, I use 
the program  differently from many here, I may have a pdf suggestion.

robobraille,
www.robobraille.org
will convert pdf files into a number of different formats by sending the 
file to them via e-mail.

conv...@robobraille.org
you simply place your desired format in the subject line, say rtf,  attach 
the pdf file, and the file is returned to you.

that may help with the files.
I have been meaning to ask my friend Jeff Towne who writes things
 at transom if his pro tools  materials are still available. 
Radio producers prefer using the keyboard for everything in general, so Jeff 
teaches pro tools at university based on this method.

will see what I can find out and post here.
Kare



On Sun, 22 Apr 2018, Rory McDonald wrote:


Hi Kare,
It is a magic keyboard, magic keyboard 2 I believe. So far it works great, 
haven't tried pro tools with it yet though. It hs all the keys like the number 
pad and the 6pack of keys with the function, home, page up, delete, end, page 
down keys. I was told it could work with either a phone or mac, witch is pretty 
nice. I can't tell you how much it cost or anything as I was just talking to 
somebody at a party who managed to score me one somehow for free from a friend 
and have it brought to me within a few hours, bring airpods too witch are quite 
high quality as well.
Since the pro tools with speech site is down though, are there any other 
tutoriels I can listen to or read anywhere to help me learn pro tools? I'd like 
to start as soon as I can, and I didn't find the pdf manuals from avid very 
helpful mostly because of the way voiceover reads pdfs in that weird ay that is 
unlike anything else in preview.

Rory


On Apr 21, 2018, at 11:54 PM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:

Hi Lory,
Nice noting another Canadian here.
Do you mind sharing more about your keyboard?  I  take it Magic  is the model?
Cheers,
Kare




On Sat, 21 Apr 2018, Steve Martin wrote:

I don’t see why it wouldn’t so long as you got the number pad.


On Apr 21, 2018, at 9:43 PM, Rory McDonald <roryj...@rogers.com> wrote:

Hey everyone, I just received a full size wireless keyboard from a friend. Its 
pretty cool so far. I’m just making sure that it’ll work fine with pro tools? 
It has the number pad and everything, so it should, but I remember hearing 
before that many people preferred using usb but is that just preference?

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Re: magic keyboard

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi Lory,
Nice noting another Canadian here.
Do you mind sharing more about your keyboard?  I  take it Magic  is the 
model?

Cheers,
Kare



On Sat, 21 Apr 2018, Steve Martin wrote:


I don’t see why it wouldn’t so long as you got the number pad.


On Apr 21, 2018, at 9:43 PM, Rory McDonald  wrote:

Hey everyone, I just received a full size wireless keyboard from a friend. Its 
pretty cool so far. I’m just making sure that it’ll work fine with pro tools? 
It has the number pad and everything, so it should, but I remember hearing 
before that many people preferred using usb but is that just preference?

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Re: Again please, i Need just a starting push in pro tools

[Karen Lewellen]

As you say then...time to learn what is required if this is what you need 
to use now.

Kare



On Tue, 5 Sep 2017, Ramy Moustafa wrote:


Hi Karen:

Yes, i must move, because, all Studios here in Egypt are using Pro tools or 
logic, +  Sonar became so old regards to accessibility,
editing is so easy inside pro tools rather than Sonar.


On Aug 31, 2017, at 7:24 PM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:

Hi Nathaniel,
while I respect your perspective, the only person who can honestly, and I trust 
without pressure  answer this question, is Ramy.
If, as you say,  this is along time goal, the question is why?
Is there something required professionally that can be done no other way? Or,  
is there pressure of the far from realistic reasonable or factual kind saying 
that if others are doing this, Ramy  must as well?
As a professional in your training field, I am sure you understand the 
difference.
If Sonar meets your professional or personal needs Ramy, there is no reason 
whatsoever to change.
Personally, your fear about  the situation says a great deal to me.
While I absolutely resonate with the concept that nothing of value comes 
without effort, agreeing with others here stating that the best teaching comes  
from practice, there must be a firm deep and needful reason for you to  commit.
There is no other person who knows more about your needs, abilities, 
preferences  or desires than yourself.
You are the only individual inside your head, and your experience of blindness  
and everything else begins and ends with you.
There is no need, or no shame, in defining your work as you prefer.
If fear is your only barrier however, understand it, and redefine it rather 
than allow it to control you.
Just my 2 cents,
Karen



On Thu, 31 Aug 2017, Nathaniel Kile wrote:


Unfortunattly Raymie  has been trying to crack this nut for years now.
If I had more time I would go and try and help again, he and I spent a few
sessions Face timing years ago with Pro Tools.

Nate Kile, Assistive Technology Instructor, Tech Vision LLC
Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual
instruction for schools
Also Private training to your needs
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Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office
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Subject: Re: Again please, i Need just a starting push in pro tools

Ramy,
May I ask an important question?
What do you feel you must do in pro tools, that you cannot presently do in
Sonar?
Why is this technology change critical for you?
Because, there in will lie all the incentive you require to get moving, if
it exists.
Does this make sense?
Karen


"No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin or
his background or his religion ... People must learn to hate, and if they
can learn to hate, they can be taught to love... For love comes more
naturally to the human heart than its opposite." Nelson Mandela.

On Thu, 31 Aug 2017, Nickus de Vos wrote:


I agree, the only way you will really learn to use Pro-tools is if you

force yourself to use it, by basically letting go of Sonar. I of course
assume you want to eventually move over to ProTools permanently.

With this being said it will be harder to do in the working environment

where you have to get things done every day, where you can't really afford
mistakes or down time.


Years ago I had the same when getting my first Mac, I was never really

going to learn to use Voiceover if I kept going back to windows and jaws. I
started to force by self to use the Mac more and more on a daily basis, to
perform more tasks on it every day.


Nickus
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On 31 Aug 2017, at 07:36, Chris Smart <csma...@cogeco.ca> wrote:

stop using Sonar and you will have to move forward.

At 10:26 PM 8/30/2017, you wrote:

Hi John:

I got them and I finish studying them, but really am so afraid of
using the Protools in my delly work, so, all I need is a push, just
a push


On 8/30/17, John Covici <cov...@ccs.covici.com> wrote:

How about the protools with speech set of audio tutorials?  A bit
old, but still quite useful.

On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 15:03:04 -0400, Ramy Moustafa wrote:


Hello all:

Sorry if I am repost my last email, but, I tried to set with one
of my sited friends here, to put my hands on protools, but he fail
making me do so, because he is  usng mouse in most of the time.
so,  Again, I repeat my request, I need someone, to give me just
starting push, moving between regents using tab, editing noise in
track etc, the difference between Sonar and pro tools makes me
feel that am a stranger when using it. so, can anyone give me 1 or
2 hours from his or her time, specia

Re: Again please, I Need just a starting push in pro tools

[Karen Lewellen]

Now...if I ever find the macbook pro I desire, I may change over to 
voiceover.

for the moment though, my setup works for me.

Kare



On Thu, 31 Aug 2017, Karen Lewellen wrote:


Indeed yes...still am actually.
Which is what I mean about custom configured mac.  When I needed a different 
machine here in Canada, I located a apple engineer for the work.
Granted as I say I bring other skills to the table.  I have a masters in mass 
communications, with an emphasis in Radio.  I learned editing the old 
fashioned  way, playing to that background.

I would not claim others  should do it that way, unless they wish  of course.
Kare


"No one is born hating another person because of the color of his
skin or his background or his religion ... People must learn to
hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to
love... For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its
opposite." Nelson Mandela.

On Thu, 31 Aug 2017, Chris Smart wrote:



>  karen, were you using it with Outspoken back then?






 
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Re: Again please, I Need just a starting push in pro tools

[Karen Lewellen]

Indeed yes...still am actually.
Which is what I mean about custom configured mac.  When I needed a 
different machine here in Canada, I located a apple engineer for the work.
Granted as I say I bring other skills to the table.  I have a masters in 
mass  communications, with an emphasis in Radio.  I learned editing the old 
fashioned  way, playing to that background.
I would not claim others  should do it that way, unless they wish  of 
course.

Kare


"No one is born hating another person because of the color of his
skin or his background or his religion ... People must learn to
hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to
love... For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its
opposite." Nelson Mandela.

On Thu, 31 Aug 2017, Chris Smart wrote:




karen, were you using it with Outspoken back then?








"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats." - 
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Re: Again please, I Need just a starting push in pro tools

[Karen Lewellen]

In fact that is exactly why I use Pro tools.  One of the first things I 
learned about producing for National Public Radio was, if not based at a 
station,  Pro Tools was the industry standard. So my  production setup 
came together  with this in mind.  digi 002 mac, stand alone professional 
cdrw etc.
There is an interview with actress Barbara Luna of star Trek fame on my 
site  produced with my Pro Tools setup.

Its in aif I believe.
Kare


"No one is born hating another person because of the color of his
skin or his background or his religion ... People must learn to
hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to
love... For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its
opposite." Nelson Mandela.

On Thu, 31 Aug 2017, Chris Smart wrote:

ah ok. thanks. I was just curious about that, if you used it in your 
broadcast work, and by extension, if it dominates the broadcast field the way 
it does the professional studios.


At 05:43 PM 8/31/2017, you wrote:

Must have missed this question.
Thanks Chris smart.
I have produced radio stories  and  series with Pro tools for  almost... 14 
years or so now   give or takeperhaps longer.
However the demands of radio with pro tools differ a great deal  from music 
making, and my other media background means I bring other skills to the 
table of my work.

Still, when i determined the need, I learned what was required.
In my own  personal case I could draw upon other radio associates, one of 
whom came to my NYC studio at the time for the in person training I 
personally insist upon  for any new electronic task...and I paid him.

I have never been a windows user, so cannot speak to  changing platforms.
My personal approach is to insure  I have not only the tools I require, but 
the individuals to hand as much as possible to maintain those tools.
My mac was not custom built,  only custom configured, but my other 
computers are always built to my specifications.
This is me, and I am the first to say firmly my situation applies to no one 
else.

Karen



On Thu, 31 Aug 2017, Chris Smart wrote:

> 
> > >  Do you use ProTools, Karen?
> 
> 
> I don't, but I do like reading here to see what's happening with the 
> folks who do use it.
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Re: Again please, I Need just a starting push in pro tools

[Karen Lewellen]

Must have missed this question.
Thanks Chris smart.
I have produced radio stories  and  series with Pro tools for  almost... 
14 years or so 
now   give or takeperhaps longer.
However the demands of radio with pro tools differ a great deal  from 
music making, and my other media background means I bring other skills to 
the table of my work.

Still, when i determined the need, I learned what was required.
In my own  personal case I could draw upon other radio associates, one of 
whom came to my NYC studio at the time for the in person training I 
personally insist upon  for any new electronic task...and I paid him.

I have never been a windows user, so cannot speak to  changing platforms.
My personal approach is to insure  I have not only the tools I require, 
but the individuals to hand as much as possible to maintain those tools.
My mac was not custom built,  only custom configured, but my other 
computers are always built to my specifications.
This is me, and I am the first to say firmly my situation applies to no one 
else.

Karen



On Thu, 31 Aug 2017, Chris Smart wrote:




> Do you use ProTools, Karen?



I don't, but I do like reading here to see what's happening with the folks 
who do use it.







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Re: Again please, I Need just a starting push in pro tools

[Karen Lewellen]

According to Nate, Ramy has been open to this change for a few years at 
least.
I cannot speak to your prediction of failing equipment, not my personal 
experience.
Still, if Ramy has been open but not makingprogress the question for him 
and  no one else to decide is why, at least from this dictionary...which 
also matters little smiles.

Karen



On Thu, 31 Aug 2017, Nickus de Vos wrote:


Speculating a bit here. In principle it’s a good idea to look else ware than 
Sonar, since Sonar is dead in the water for blind users. You will only be able 
to keep a Windows 7 machine with Jaws 16 or whatever and Sonar 8 running for so 
long, but at some point something will inevitably go bad.

Yes there’s if it aint broken don’t fix it and all that, after all I still know 
guys running Pro-Tools 7 HD on old Mac Pro systems and it does the job for them 
and makes them money on a daily basis, but there will come a day where they 
will have to upgrade, and for a blind user having to make the switch to a 
entire new platform is very daunting like we can see in this case.

I don’t want to start a Sonar vs Pro-tools or for that matter anything else 
debate here, if Sonar works for you, does what you have to do by all means 
stick to it, all I’m saying is be open to the idea of switching to something 
else and be open to starting to learn to use something else before the rug gets 
pulled out from under you one day.

Nickus


On 31 Aug 2017, at 21:25, CHUCK REICHEL <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Nate,
Yes at some point you half to jump in the water!
Unless your afraid of getting your towel wet! :)
Chuck


On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:10 PM, Nathaniel Kile wrote:


Hello Caren,
I was not answering your question, I was commenting on Ramie's long time
struggle with Pro Tools. Never the less, you are absolutely right about he
being the only one who can answer the question.

Nate Kile,
Assistive Technology Instructor, Tech Vision LLC
Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual
instruction for schools
Also Private training to your needs
907-444-3707
Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office
products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with keystrokes:
www.yourtechvision.com

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Hi Nathaniel,
while I respect your perspective, the only person who can honestly, and I
trust without pressure  answer this question, is Ramy.
If, as you say,  this is along time goal, the question is why?
Is there something required professionally that can be done no other way?
Or,  is there pressure of the far from realistic reasonable or factual kind
saying that if others are doing this, Ramy  must as well?
As a professional in your training field, I am sure you understand the
difference.
If Sonar meets your professional or personal needs Ramy, there is no reason
whatsoever to change.
Personally, your fear about  the situation says a great deal to me.
While I absolutely resonate with the concept that nothing of value comes
without effort, agreeing with others here stating that the best teaching
comes  from practice, there must be a firm deep and needful reason for you
to  commit.
There is no other person who knows more about your needs, abilities,
preferences  or desires than yourself.
You are the only individual inside your head, and your experience of
blindness  and everything else begins and ends with you.
There is no need, or no shame, in defining your work as you prefer.
If fear is your only barrier however, understand it, and redefine it rather
than allow it to control you.
Just my 2 cents,
Karen



On Thu, 31 Aug 2017, Nathaniel Kile wrote:


Unfortunattly Raymie  has been trying to crack this nut for years now.
If I had more time I would go and try and help again, he and I spent a
few sessions Face timing years ago with Pro Tools.

Nate Kile, Assistive Technology Instructor, Tech Vision LLC Specialist
in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual
instruction for schools Also Private training to your needs
907-444-3707
Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC,
Office products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with keystrokes:
www.yourtechvision.com

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Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 7:15 AM
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Again please, i Need just a starting push in pro tools

Ramy,
May I ask an important question?
What do you feel you must do in pro tools, that you cannot presently
do in Sonar?
Why is this technology change critical for you?
Because, there in will lie all the incentive you require to get
moving, if it exists.
Does this mak

RE: Again please, i Need just a starting push in pro tools

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi Nathaniel,
while I respect your perspective, the only person who can honestly, and I 
trust without pressure  answer this question, is Ramy.

If, as you say,  this is along time goal, the question is why?
Is there something required professionally that can be done no other way? 
Or,  is there pressure of the far from realistic reasonable or factual 
kind saying that if others are doing this, Ramy  must as well?
As a professional in your training field, I am sure you understand the 
difference.
If Sonar meets your professional or personal needs Ramy, there is no reason 
whatsoever to change.

Personally, your fear about  the situation says a great deal to me.
While I absolutely resonate with the concept that nothing of value comes 
without effort, agreeing with others here stating that the best teaching 
comes  from practice, there must be a firm deep and needful reason for you 
to  commit.
There is no other person who knows more about your needs, abilities, 
preferences  or desires than yourself.
You are the only individual inside your head, and your experience of 
blindness  and everything else begins and ends with you.

There is no need, or no shame, in defining your work as you prefer.
If fear is your only barrier however, understand it, and redefine it rather 
than allow it to control you.

Just my 2 cents,
Karen



On Thu, 31 Aug 2017, Nathaniel Kile wrote:


Unfortunattly Raymie  has been trying to crack this nut for years now.
If I had more time I would go and try and help again, he and I spent a few
sessions Face timing years ago with Pro Tools.

Nate Kile, Assistive Technology Instructor, Tech Vision LLC
Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual
instruction for schools
Also Private training to your needs
907-444-3707
Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office
products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with keystrokes:
www.yourtechvision.com

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From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Karen Lewellen
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 7:15 AM
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Again please, i Need just a starting push in pro tools

Ramy,
May I ask an important question?
What do you feel you must do in pro tools, that you cannot presently do in
Sonar?
Why is this technology change critical for you?
Because, there in will lie all the incentive you require to get moving, if
it exists.
Does this make sense?
Karen


"No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin or
his background or his religion ... People must learn to hate, and if they
can learn to hate, they can be taught to love... For love comes more
naturally to the human heart than its opposite." Nelson Mandela.

On Thu, 31 Aug 2017, Nickus de Vos wrote:


I agree, the only way you will really learn to use Pro-tools is if you

force yourself to use it, by basically letting go of Sonar. I of course
assume you want to eventually move over to ProTools permanently.

With this being said it will be harder to do in the working environment

where you have to get things done every day, where you can't really afford
mistakes or down time.


Years ago I had the same when getting my first Mac, I was never really

going to learn to use Voiceover if I kept going back to windows and jaws. I
started to force by self to use the Mac more and more on a daily basis, to
perform more tasks on it every day.


Nickus
Sent from my iPhone, please excuse any typos...


On 31 Aug 2017, at 07:36, Chris Smart <csma...@cogeco.ca> wrote:

stop using Sonar and you will have to move forward.

At 10:26 PM 8/30/2017, you wrote:

Hi John:

I got them and I finish studying them, but really am so afraid of
using the Protools in my delly work, so, all I need is a push, just
a push


On 8/30/17, John Covici <cov...@ccs.covici.com> wrote:

How about the protools with speech set of audio tutorials?  A bit
old, but still quite useful.

On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 15:03:04 -0400, Ramy Moustafa wrote:


Hello all:

Sorry if I am repost my last email, but, I tried to set with one
of my sited friends here, to put my hands on protools, but he fail
making me do so, because he is  usng mouse in most of the time.
so,  Again, I repeat my request, I need someone, to give me just
starting push, moving between regents using tab, editing noise in
track etc, the difference between Sonar and pro tools makes me
feel that am a stranger when using it. so, can anyone give me 1 or
2 hours from his or her time, specially if he was using sonar
before?

Frankly I can pay but not so much because $ here is so expensive
in Egypt. so all I can pay is just 20$ or less if requested.

Thanks for your support


--
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Music instructor @:
Faculty ofmusical education
Music arranger and Sound engineer @:
Harmony Recording Studio
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Re: How would you all as full fledged professionals handle this?

[Karen Lewellen]

I see, My hope was to give you an opening like...would you want  this 
artist to hear  what you just recorded?

Clearly he has no grasp of marketing either smiles.
Kevin makes a valid point.
Is there any reason why, if he is not paying you, that you must answer at 
all?

Better still, if he is a real friend, why you cannot say,
Look You are my friend and I want to help you as a friend.  I like you 
personally, but this stuff is not of quality, here is why.
He honestly might not be able to hear what you can, if he has trouble with 
pitch.

Still, if he is serious about his craft, then he  must be prepared to grow.
Kare


On Mon, 24 Jul 2017, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:


I actually asked him that, and he said he doesn't want to be like anyone. He 
says there are too many impersonators. He said I don't want to sound like them, 
and frankly, anyone trying to do music like someone else is a cheating ripoff. 
His words word per word, not mine.
---
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Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

http://www.gshministry.org
(980) 500-9575
 - Original Message -
 From: Karen Lewellen
 To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 9:10 PM
 Subject: Re: How would you all as full fledged professionals handle this?


 Hi Chris,
 You are an honorable friend being considerate of his feelings.
 I have a question.  who does this person admire professionally?  What
 singer  does he want to  become, who influences his work, if you understand
 me?
 I ask because you may be able to give direction, or frankness, without
 insulting  him as a person.  focus on his art, not  him, does that make
 sense?
 Will share more after you answer.
 Karen


 On Mon, 24 Jul 2017, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

 > OK, so I have a friend who sent me a track he had recorded. Granted, he did 
it in Reaper not PT, but that's kind of not exactly the point.
 >
 > He wanted my opinion on his mix, etc.
 >
 > First off, the guy is almost 2 whole steps off key. I know, as I know very 
well the song that he recorded. This isn't him using improvization. It's more 
truely him being off the correct note or anything there close.
 >
 > Secondly, his vocals clipped horribly. With no processing or anything, the 
meters are showing him at positive 9.3DB.
 >
 > On his reverb, he ran both the wet, and the dry mix at 100%, so he sounds 
like he's in the grand cannyon. Plus, he's got major major headphone bleedover, so 
bad, I almost can make out each note individually from the karaoke track he used.
 >
 > When he hits the higher notes, he's singing from his throat, I can tell, as 
he's straining badly, and literally almost shouting.
 >
 > On the compressor, he used a 8/1 with the attack as fast as the compressor 
plug would let him, and the attack as slow as it would. Then, he set the threshold 
at negative 14DB, which obviously means he's squashing the living shit out of 
things! Worse is, he not only did this on his vocal, but he then reduplicated it 
on the master fader as well. Aaa, my aching! ears!
 >
 > Finally, he turned up all frequencies around 60HZ by about 5 DB.
 >
 > When I told him this needed a lot of work, being he wanted my honest 
opinion, he says he cannot hear the things I'm talking about nor how it negatively 
effected the mix.
 >
 > This guy's been through a lot of emotional psychological trauma, which so've 
I, so I know how it feels. I don't wanna tell him this sounds like utter F***ing 
shit, but, that said, this is about the 5th song he's sent me like this. I just 
don't think he's cut out for a vocalist let alone a producer. OK, who 'em I to 
judge! I know, I know, I'm not the greatest myself, but at least I listen and try 
taking advice when people give it, hince why I've improved as much over the years 
as I have. This guy simply won't take any advice I nor anyone else give him. He 
didn't pay me to listen, he just asked me as a friend to tell him. He's not 
expecting me to do this as him being a client.
 >
 > So, client or not, what's the best way with love, mind you, to more politely 
say, Jane Doe? You absolutely suck!
 >
 > Surely some of you all have had vocalists or musicians who you listenned to, 
who you had to turn down the job from as they just weren't seen as fit for it. 
They just didn't have what it would take.
 >
 > How do you let those guys off easy, without being a nasty Simon Cowell the 
second? My christian morrals won't let me lie, but if I say what I really think, 
it's gonna break his heart! I can't do that to such a dear friend! I just can't! 
What do I do!
 >
 > Chris.
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Re: How would you all as full fledged professionals handle this?

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi Chris,
You are an honorable friend being considerate of his feelings.
I have a question.  who does this person admire professionally?  What 
singer  does he want to  become, who influences his work, if you understand 
me?
I ask because you may be able to give direction, or frankness, without 
insulting  him as a person.  focus on his art, not  him, does that make 
sense?

Will share more after you answer.
Karen


On Mon, 24 Jul 2017, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:


OK, so I have a friend who sent me a track he had recorded. Granted, he did it 
in Reaper not PT, but that's kind of not exactly the point.

He wanted my opinion on his mix, etc.

First off, the guy is almost 2 whole steps off key. I know, as I know very well 
the song that he recorded. This isn't him using improvization. It's more truely 
him being off the correct note or anything there close.

Secondly, his vocals clipped horribly. With no processing or anything, the 
meters are showing him at positive 9.3DB.

On his reverb, he ran both the wet, and the dry mix at 100%, so he sounds like 
he's in the grand cannyon. Plus, he's got major major headphone bleedover, so 
bad, I almost can make out each note individually from the karaoke track he 
used.

When he hits the higher notes, he's singing from his throat, I can tell, as 
he's straining badly, and literally almost shouting.

On the compressor, he used a 8/1 with the attack as fast as the compressor plug 
would let him, and the attack as slow as it would. Then, he set the threshold 
at negative 14DB, which obviously means he's squashing the living shit out of 
things! Worse is, he not only did this on his vocal, but he then reduplicated 
it on the master fader as well. Aaa, my aching! ears!

Finally, he turned up all frequencies around 60HZ by about 5 DB.

When I told him this needed a lot of work, being he wanted my honest opinion, 
he says he cannot hear the things I'm talking about nor how it negatively 
effected the mix.

This guy's been through a lot of emotional psychological trauma, which so've I, 
so I know how it feels. I don't wanna tell him this sounds like utter F***ing 
shit, but, that said, this is about the 5th song he's sent me like this. I just 
don't think he's cut out for a vocalist let alone a producer. OK, who 'em I to 
judge! I know, I know, I'm not the greatest myself, but at least I listen and 
try taking advice when people give it, hince why I've improved as much over the 
years as I have. This guy simply won't take any advice I nor anyone else give 
him. He didn't pay me to listen, he just asked me as a friend to tell him. He's 
not expecting me to do this as him being a client.

So, client or not, what's the best way with love, mind you, to more politely 
say, Jane Doe? You absolutely suck!

Surely some of you all have had vocalists or musicians who you listenned to, 
who you had to turn down the job from as they just weren't seen as fit for it. 
They just didn't have what it would take.

How do you let those guys off easy, without being a nasty Simon Cowell the 
second? My christian morrals won't let me lie, but if I say what I really 
think, it's gonna break his heart! I can't do that to such a dear friend! I 
just can't! What do I do!

Chris.

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Re: New MacbookPro with touch pad and Protools

[Karen Lewellen]

While I cannot speak to pro tools specifically I will share what I know.
There is a long detailed and intense discussion of the new mbp with 
touch pad on the regular mac visionaries list.  Seasoned users of voiceover 
absolutely hate the pad. It is not fluid in terms of features, confuses 
functions,  makes voiceover and non voiceover mistakes, and is basically 
far from intuitive.  This from people who normally get the hottest apple 
car on the road.

Personally I would not advise that edition,
Karen


On Fri, 21 Jul 2017, Alex Coleman wrote:


Is it advisable to get the latest MacBook Pro with the touch pad
technology for use with Protools and Voiceover, or should I opt for
the older model without the touch pad?
I was told, by a Sweet Water rep, that I did not want the newest MBP
model, but he didn't really say why. He was also not very knowledgable
at all about accessibility issues.
I need to make a purchase in the next few days, and any feedback would
be appreciated.
Also, is there a high-quality audio interface besides the Apollo 8
that is accessible using voiceover, or would the experts here
recommend the Apollo?
Thanks for any info you can provide.
Take care.

Alex

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Re: Looking for a cover: I'm willing to pay.

[Karen Lewellen]

Chris,
 Offense is a choice which I personally feel reflects equally on the 
person making that choice, so no offense just curious.
You expressed a desire for covers from blind musicians, I asked what 
visual acuity has to do with song interpretation.

The rest of my question should   now make more sense.
Indeed you did start the inquirie here so...
Kare


On Thu, 16 Feb 2017, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:


Karen,

I guess I'm a little bit confused about your question, sorry.

This is getting off topic, so let's put an end to it here on list. I did want 
to ask, but I don't want this becoming a big OT thread on the list.

Anyone on here's welcome though to write me off list about it.

clgillan...@gmail.com

Please know rude comments though, like, hey buster, you asked on list, so don't 
be complaining now that you stepped in it. As I said, I didn't mean at all to 
offend anyone, if I have done so.

Chris.

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 To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 8:50 PM
 Subject: Re: Looking for a cover: I'm willing to pay.


 Just wondering then.
 What  does visual acuity have to do with song interpretation?  and at
 what level  does the acuity play a role?
 the song is a favorite of mine as well.  still say John Garry's
 absolutely goose bump rendition is such because he captures the song, not
 because of visual acuity, speaking only for myself I mean.
 Given your stance here it plays some role in your appreciation of the song
 and I am simply curious.
 Kare


 On Thu, 16 Feb 2017, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

 > I know.
 >
 > Mainly because I love collecting music from other fellow blind musicians.
 >
 > I'm sorry. I didn't mean to offend, if I did.
 >
 > Chris.
 >
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 >  Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 8:42 PM
 >  Subject: Re: Looking for a cover: I'm willing to pay.
 >
 >
 >  why a cover? The original is all over Youtube.
 >
 >  At 08:18 PM 2/16/2017, you wrote:
 >  >Has anyone on here recorded, obviously in ProTools, a cover version
 >  >of the Righteous Brothers, Unchained Melody? If so I'd love to have
 >  >a copy of it; I love! love love love! that song! It's it's part of
 >  >an E.P, single, or full album release, I'd be more than happy to buy it.
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Re: Looking for a cover: I'm willing to pay.

[Karen Lewellen]

Just wondering then.
What  does visual acuity have to do with song interpretation?  and at 
what level  does the acuity play a role?
the song is a favorite of mine as well.  still say John Garry's 
absolutely goose bump rendition is such because he captures the song, not 
because of visual acuity, speaking only for myself I mean.
Given your stance here it plays some role in your appreciation of the song 
and I am simply curious.

Kare


On Thu, 16 Feb 2017, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:


I know.

Mainly because I love collecting music from other fellow blind musicians.

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to offend, if I did.

Chris.

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 To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 8:42 PM
 Subject: Re: Looking for a cover: I'm willing to pay.


 why a cover? The original is all over Youtube.

 At 08:18 PM 2/16/2017, you wrote:
 >Has anyone on here recorded, obviously in ProTools, a cover version
 >of the Righteous Brothers, Unchained Melody? If so I'd love to have
 >a copy of it; I love! love love love! that song! It's it's part of
 >an E.P, single, or full album release, I'd be more than happy to buy it.
 >
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Re: speaking of macbook pro...

[Karen Lewellen]

Good evening Ricky,
Thanks for providing this information.
Am I correct that yours would have been the one from Early 2011 then?  do 
you remember the size of your screen?
My swift google brings up two models from that year, with the early, 
referencing the jacks while the fall may not.

Much appreciated again,
Kare


On Tue, 1 Mar 2016, Ricky Prevatte wrote:


2011 I do believe. The reason I draw that conclusion my son has an I five from 
2012 and I have an eye seven from 2011. I did not even know until last night 
they had to stop at and he did not have but one Jack on his machine.

Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154


On Mar 1, 2016, at 11:32 AM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:

Hi folks,
Asking here as some may remember.
Anyone recall which macbook pro might be the last, assuming they are gone now, 
that included a line in jack with the hardware?  as in a separate line in jack, 
like a separate line out jack from the headphone jack?  Yes I know there are 
work arounds, but I am interested in the separate line in jack specifically, 
even if I must go back a few editions.  I will not be using pro tools in this 
setup most likely, so do not let that  influence your answers.
Thanks much,
Kare



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speaking of macbook pro...

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi folks,
Asking here as some may remember.
Anyone recall which macbook pro might be the last, assuming they are gone 
now, that included a line in jack with the hardware?  as in a separate line 
in jack, like a separate line out jack from the headphone jack?  Yes I know 
there are work arounds, but I am interested in the separate line in jack 
specifically, even if I must go back a few editions.  I will not be using 
pro tools in this setup most likely, so do not let that  influence your 
answers.

Thanks much,
Kare

RE: anyone in a positin to do a very fast editing gig?

[Karen Lewellen]

my first post said it is paid.  and I cannot imagine it taking three hours, 
but  I suppose  some of that time is the download.
since this request is not on topic,  if you believe you can do the *paid* 
job, write me off list.



On Wed, 7 Oct 2015, Poppa Bear wrote:


So, it could take about three hours or so? Do you have a $ amount that you
are offering anyone, or is this volunteer work?

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Subject: RE: anyone in a positin to do a very fast editing gig?

It is not even that complicated.
I require segments from what is a very large .wav file  separated and saved
in  order.

while the source file is large, 2 gig,
 from a two hour event,the resulting
final segments might total 10 minutes once gathered.
if done well there will be say five seconds between the  sound bytes to help
with editing.
the person will be sectioning out these pieces for another project, not pro
tools unfortunately.
still the resulting audio must be in .wav,  no mp3.
make more sense?
Depending on the final size, it might come back as an email, at worse be
placed somewhere for downloading like hightail.
More clear?

On Wed, 7 Oct 2015, Poppa Bear wrote:


A lot more information would be needed, is it audio, voice over,
length of project, number of tracks?

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Its paid, but the turn around is swift.  I must have the audio
sections back by Friday Morning.
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RE: anyone in a positin to do a very fast editing gig?

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi folks,
I just divided these into two gigs.
I have Written Kevin about the second one and Cameron on the first.
Thanks for all the interest.
Karen


On Thu, 8 Oct 2015, Karen Lewellen wrote:

my first post said it is paid.  and I cannot imagine it taking three hours, 
but  I suppose  some of that time is the download.
since this request is not on topic,  if you believe you can do the *paid* 
job, write me off list.



On Wed, 7 Oct 2015, Poppa Bear wrote:


 So, it could take about three hours or so? Do you have a $ amount that you
 are offering anyone, or is this volunteer work?

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 Subject: RE: anyone in a positin to do a very fast editing gig?

 It is not even that complicated.
 I require segments from what is a very large .wav file  separated and
 saved
 in  order.

 while the source file is large, 2 gig,
 from a two hour event,the resulting
 final segments might total 10 minutes once gathered.
 if done well there will be say five seconds between the  sound bytes to
 help
 with editing.
 the person will be sectioning out these pieces for another project, not
 pro
 tools unfortunately.
 still the resulting audio must be in .wav,  no mp3.
 make more sense?
 Depending on the final size, it might come back as an email, at worse be
 placed somewhere for downloading like hightail.
 More clear?

 On Wed, 7 Oct 2015, Poppa Bear wrote:

>  A lot more information would be needed, is it audio, voice over,
>  length of project, number of tracks?
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>  Its paid, but the turn around is swift.  I must have the audio

>  sections back by Friday Morning.
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anyone in a positin to do a very fast editing gig?

[Karen Lewellen]

Its paid, but the turn around is swift.  I must have the audio sections 
back by Friday Morning.

Thanks,

RE: anyone in a positin to do a very fast editing gig?

[Karen Lewellen]

It is not even that complicated.
I require segments from what is a very large .wav file  separated and 
saved in  order.


while the source file is large, 2 gig,
 from a two hour event,the resulting
final segments might total 10 minutes once gathered.
if done well there will be say five seconds between the  sound bytes to 
help with editing.
the person will be sectioning out these pieces for another project, not pro 
tools unfortunately.

still the resulting audio must be in .wav,  no mp3.
make more sense?
Depending on the final size, it might come back as an email, at worse be 
placed somewhere for downloading like hightail.

More clear?

On Wed, 7 Oct 2015, Poppa Bear wrote:


A lot more information would be needed, is it audio, voice over, length of
project, number of tracks?

-Original Message-
From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Karen Lewellen
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 7:09 PM
To: discussion on pro tools access
Subject: anyone in a positin to do a very fast editing gig?

Its paid, but the turn around is swift.  I must have the audio sections back
by Friday Morning.
Thanks,

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Re: pro tools book recommendations

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi Brian,
Best book I have ever learned of for Pro Tools is called pro tools for 
musicians.

I have no idea if it exists electronically, or how current it is lately.
still media associates of mine rave about the effort, at least for an old 
fashioned foundation on the program.

Karen


On Tue, 7 Apr 2015, Brian Howerton wrote:


Yeah I know HaHa.

On Apr 7, 2015, at 1:46 PM, Chris Smart csma...@cogeco.ca wrote:

the manual (grin)

At 01:19 PM 4/7/2015, you wrote:

Hello all,
Does anyone have any books that they recommend on the use of pro tools?  I am 
nerdy and really like reading tech books, and I figured since I am learning pro 
tools, I would see if you guys have any recommendations of good books to read.
Brian

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Re: Letter Update from Pace Anti-piracy

[Karen Lewellen]

All well and good...but again I do not speak of what you believe is or 
is not  important to the individual with  the power to make this happen.

I speak of what motivates them?
And that answer might surprise you.
After all the argument about market share percentage has not prevented 
others in the industry from incorporating inclusion.
And some of those industry players might not appreciate having their 
success in this  area slowed down by another company.
Or some in the industry might know what makes this person tick so to 
speak.

The change need not come about in an adversarial way.
granted i am not writing from  the place of being directly 
impacted...which is  why I said i was reading this objectively.
Still major changes have come about  for the benefit of one, before but 
you must think like the person making the decision if that makes sense.

Kare


On Sat, 31 Jan 2015, TheOreoMonster wrote:


Remember in Paces case Majority of their business comes from industry 
customers, not end users. There for so long as PT and the other major business 
customers continue to pay them and continue to stress that we need feature X, 
Y, and Z to protect our assists yes we the end user could continue to get 
shafted. At  the end of the day we aren???t paying the bills and we probably 
aren???t paying enough of their industry customers bills for them to say hold 
off on feature X, Y, and Z till access is implemented. Good PR only goes  so 
far. Remember  there is no such thing as bad publicity, especially if they 
spell your name right.  That being said, I think the internship or part time 
employee idea is a great one, but as a company with IP to protect they probably 
have to be somewhat careful about who sees that code. And we still have the 
issue of .. until the code base gets to the point where all we need is element 
and button labeling  they may need engineers who know the code intimately to 
bring it to that point. Once they can start on the real meat of the access work 
then that may be a  good time to bring in the part time employee to make the 
changes s as to keep things moving forward.


On Jan 31, 2015, at 3:54 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote:


You Know Scott,
Call me an innocent.  but reading this objectively, there seems no incentive 
for this person to  give  you what you want at all, not now, or in the future.
what would motivate  pace  to consider this problem worth their time? Which is 
basically the answer.  We do not have the resources right now, maybe later.  
Then later becomes gosh darn i thought we would have the resources, but oops 
something more worth  our time came up.
I am not being disrespectful.   Instead I am thinking business.  What motivates 
this person, and how can you use this to gain what you desire?
he seems to indicate they are short on staff resources.  Fine, simply create a 
part time position, or internship where this guy went to school, or get the 
company a tax write off for the cost to pay a part time engineer to do the 
work...and make sure they get major press for being innovative.  Let the 
engineer blog about the progress hyping the next edition  of Ilock  manager it 
impacts.
If it is not the cost that motivates him, what does?
I read the letter got to the line where he says...I will not bother you with 
details.  I thought, oh please do bother me, from the paying customers 
perspective.
How about his reputation?  Does he care how others he respects thinks of his 
company?
If so, would an open letter in a major industry publication, give him reason to 
think again?
Yes you waited a long time before,  however one can generate bad social media 
or great social media in an environment where such can become profoundly public 
 fast. I do not  personally feel negativity is needful .  Still as Carnegie 
wrote every human has the desire to feel important.  How does this executive 
define it, and how can you use that definition to suddenly make this a priority.
If he knows the market will wait, he will keep you waitingand waiting...and 
waiting.
Does that make sense?
Kare



On Sat, 31 Jan 2015, Scott Chesworth wrote:


He talks about balancing newer developments with legacy OS support so
far as I can tell, not bringing back any old APIs.

It's already been pointed out once, but I'll do it again. It took
years, and I do mean quite a few of them, before anything got touched
by Avid. During those years there were long, and I do mean long
periods of inactivity and uncertainty for everyone. It's easy to
forget or overlook that journey if you're new ish to using PT, but
that's how we ended up with the accessibility you're now using.

Seems to me like there's not much noise being made here that'll
directly lead to results, unless someone knows enough about what
accessibility support there is in QT4 to be able to save those Pace
engineers on the skunkworks project a bunch of time.

Scott

On 1/31/15, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com

Re: Letter Update from Pace Anti-piracy

[Karen Lewellen]

Surprise!
the nice thing about being human Scott is that we are all unique.
That means any number of things might motivate a person, sometimes at the 
same time.

Now please remember I am firmly dancing outside of the box here.
But let me give you a very simple and totally hypothetical example that would 
result in progress.

It is realistic mind you, but still just an example.
Let's say this executive went to University of California at LA.
He decides to have lunch at the alumni club and runs into an old 
professor.

The professor says, hey what is the deal with the iloc manager?
We have this university grant for our production lab, and when you guys 
changed  the interface, all of our stuff stopped working as well. thing is 
if we fail to meet the grant guidelines we will loose about 400 million in 
funding over the next five years.  I don't suppose that old interface could 
find its way back into functionality could it?
Mr. Pace executive says,  you know professor, I was just reading some 
emails 
about that interface, apparently allot of people liked it. let me see  if we 
can fix that issue.
Former professor say s thanks, and suddenly Chris' suggestion about the old 
interface is back, perhaps branded as a free add on or upgrade or even a 
security fix...but it is back.
And at some level you have access without accessibility being the focus of 
their conversation.

The executive just wanted to do a favor for his old university.
What do you think of that?
Granted, I could come up with many avenues to the same or even other 
elements of progress. 
My point in general is that the desire to be important is such a human 
motivation that one can learn a great deal about your  subject in that 
way.
Asking those who know him, hey, what motivates him to try new things?  If 
you had it all your way, how would we bring this guy on board?  etc.
As for the right thing to do?  that my good sir is very relatives indeed. 
right for whom by what definition?  But that is getting philosophical 
smiles.

 Let me know if I lost you,
Karen


On Sun, 1 Feb 2015, Scott Chesworth wrote:


Well, word on the grapevine (which is all most of us have to work with
here) is that Avid are aware of the Pace situation. It's been hinted
here that the few people who have Avids ear are doing what they can to
keep the topic current whenever they have Avids ear. Beyond them, I
can't think of another industry player who's given two hoots about
accessibility lately.

Your question of what motivates people is an interesting one, but I
get the feeling you're way ahead of me in answering it. At this point
I've only gotten as far as oh, that's an interesting question. I
thought my answer of they do it because it's a good thing to do was
the only answer because money is never an answer, but I guess I missed
something. I'll keep thinking on it, but if you'd care to drop any
hints as to the surprise I'm feeling my way toward...


On 1/31/15, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote:

All well and good...but again I do not speak of what you believe is or
is not  important to the individual with  the power to make this happen.
I speak of what motivates them?
And that answer might surprise you.
After all the argument about market share percentage has not prevented
others in the industry from incorporating inclusion.
And some of those industry players might not appreciate having their
success in this  area slowed down by another company.
Or some in the industry might know what makes this person tick so to
speak.
The change need not come about in an adversarial way.
granted i am not writing from  the place of being directly
impacted...which is  why I said i was reading this objectively.
Still major changes have come about  for the benefit of one, before but
you must think like the person making the decision if that makes sense.
Kare


On Sat, 31 Jan 2015, TheOreoMonster wrote:


Remember in Paces case Majority of their business comes from industry
customers, not end users. There for so long as PT and the other major
business customers continue to pay them and continue to stress that we
need feature X, Y, and Z to protect our assists yes we the end user could
continue to get shafted. At  the end of the day we aren't paying the bills
and we probably aren't paying enough of their industry customers bills for
them to say hold off on feature X, Y, and Z till access is implemented.
Good PR only goes  so far. Remember  there is no such thing as bad
publicity, especially if they spell your name right.  That being said, I
think the internship or part time employee idea is a great one, but as a
company with IP to protect they probably have to be somewhat careful about
who sees that code. And we still have the issue of .. until the code base
gets to the point where all we need is element and button labeling  they
may need engineers who know the code intimately to bring it to that point.
Once they can start on the real meat of the access work then that may

Re: Off topic, but am absolutely desperet at this point for help!

[Karen Lewellen]

Equally, there is a reference in that article to the International 
hyperhidrosis society...which sounds like an amazing source for options.

Kare


On Wed, 24 Dec 2014, Chris Smart wrote:


Google just gave me this article:
http://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/hyperhidrosis-treatment-11

Have you tried everything listed there?

well, short of amputation and prosthetics, what should we suggest?

Are there any treatments for your condition?
Medications?

that must be annoying though, especially that first handshake with someone 
important, like a potential boss, first date etc.


At 11:19 AM 12/24/2014, you wrote:
Might not be a bad idea.  I think the only thing that really concerns me 
about that is, would they be really really warm, therefore making my hands 
sweat even more in the long run.


Chris.

- Original Message - From: Chris Smart csma...@cogeco.ca
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: Off topic, but am absolutely desperet at this point for help!


 there are gloves available that are still conductive, meant for use with 
 touchscreen devices.

 At 07:03 AM 12/24/2014, you wrote:
  Hi, have you tried using the flat part of your males, I have just been 
  experimenting with this and I seem to be able to make all of the 
  gestures work.  You would need to have the phone in a case and hold 
  that in one hand whilst moving the flat part of your males over the 
  screen.  It isn't a great solution to the problem but I hope it may 
  help a little.

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Re: Mainstream Recording?

[Karen Lewellen]

Scott,
oh goodness!
to the best of my knowledge, that trend is not happening here yet.
I am a sound snob, and proud of it smiles, happily using my stereo to play 
hundreds of lps  or real commercial created cds and  not likely ever to 
dump those babies into a computer, 
smiles...far from aesthetic.
Indeed though compared to the poor private enjoyment of the mp3, the 
dreadful blasting of such  limited quality is a far larger shark.

Karen

On Fri, 22 Jun 2012, Scott Chesworth wrote:


Karen, were you knocking how lossy mp3 is as a format, or did I misunderstand?
If so, there really are bigger fish to fry. Dunno if the trend has
spread to Canada yet, but here in London your average Joe/Joanna who
likes his/her music has stopped using headphones to deafen themselves,
now, they walk around sharing their subjective take on what's
brilliant with the rest of the world via the teeny tiny speaker in
their mobile phone instead. Unbelievably, I've seen people who do
sound related stuff all day everyday doing it... needless to say I
died a little bit inside.

Scott


On 6/21/12, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote:

Hi Chris, all.
Two different points here.
Chris to get your answer, research the album in question.  Many artists
are going back to the old fashioned analog way,  Kiss did this for one of
their last albums, and Michael's crazy in love, did this too.  A room
full of real musicians  mixed with the solid sort of studio gear that
still creates  the real thing.
That being said, yes on pro tools being the industry standard, even for
radio, think national public radio for example.  the first gear I ever saw
computer wise  was a mac running pro tools, and this was in the mid 90's.
I went to school before that, and got my masters so I would now what I
needed to do as a radio professional, and ask for as a singer working in
other people's houses.
When I began freelance journalism work in addition to radio production the
gear became remains and has to be pro tools...although I have a digi 003,
I
am still using the outspoken structure.
which is fine for radio production, I do not mix my music myself...that is
the job of folks like those on this list.

However, at least in Canada, the home studio industry is an arm of
professional industry recording, likely because of how homes are
built here.
You can create a solid production house, well in   the basement of your
house up here, and find professional trade  magazines that focus
entirely on home studio work.
There is nothing wrong with making music for music sake!
but one thing that makes me crazy is that some feel an mp3 file is
real music, it. is. not!
with the right computer the right mixing environment and the write
speakers, you can create professional quality just with pro tools, some
media professionals do it every single day...from the basement smiles.
back to the corner,
Kare

On Thu, 21 Jun 2012, Nick Gawronski wrote:


Hi, I agree with you totally on all of those points and probably should
have
said that I am not against the home user learning in their home first as
that
is what I did with my windows systems and sound forge and studio recorder
and
some with cakewalk.  I think there is a market for all types even for the

home user who is learning this stuff and think that if you don't have some

type of home setup there is really no easy way to learn at your own speed
and
skill level.  When you record what makes the devices you use unstable and
how
are these things connected to your system?  I use firewire for my digi 003

and one of the extress card slots for the sata drive to get the best
speeds.
What model of mac book pro do you have?  Nick Gawronski

On 6/21/2012 8:24 AM, Chris Norman wrote:

 Please, when you read this, note, I'm not saying anyone who's
 responded to these messages is wrong, there's some great people who
 know infinitely more about what they're talking about than I, but I'd
 like to give the view of a hobbiest.

 I have a studio in my spare bedroom, it's not professional in any way,
 shape or form. I'm sure if anyone who turned up and knew their stuff,
 they'd probably leave on a stretcher from laughing so hard, but, the
 point is, it works for me.

 I have spent a fair amount of money over the last couple of years
 getting the stuff I wanted. I do not know what's good or bad, but I
 followed the suggestions of people on this list, and others, and got
 stuff which was affordable, and good.

 With this stuff, I can get the sounds I want and rely upon. They might
 not be radio quality, or up to the standard of Lianne Rhymes, or
 anyone like that, but they work for me.

 Judging by the stuff you've written Christopher, you're in a similar
 situation to myself, you're just recording for fun, and you probably
 don't want to do it seriously. Even if you do, I see no reason this
 stuff, with some modifications, could get you a fairly decent recorded
 sound, which you could sell to people.

 Below is my gear list, as far as I know

Re: external hard drive recommendation

[Karen Lewellen]

hoping I do not misspell this.
I am very fond of lachie drives myself.  I have a usb drive in my pro 
tools setup,  and although mine is still he pre voiceover edition, the 
drive is fantastic and the support first rate.

Karen


On Mon, 16 Apr 2012, The Oreo Monster wrote:


I currently am using a usb drive plugged into one of the usb ports on my iMac. 
It's a 5900RPM Drive and surprisingly handles all my PT work just fine. I used 
it as it was the only drive I had at the time but its worked well enough i 
never did get around to buying a firewire drive. That being said i Don't think 
i have done a project that went over 20 tracks yet. So your milage may vary. I 
owned and original focusrite saffire 26 i//o for a while and had to contact 
focusrite support a few times. Quite helpful folks over there.
- T.O.M

On Apr 16, 2012, at 4:09 PM, Nickus de Vos bigboy...@gmail.com wrote:


I know that it's possible to daizy chane more than 1 of the Focusrite 
interfaces so it must also be possible to daizy chane one of them with a hard 
drive. Best would be to email their customer support.
On Monday, April 16, 2012 5:37:52 PM UTC+2, Brian Howerton wrote:
Hello all,
I just got protools and I was wondering what people would recommend for what to 
use as an external drive for recording audio.  Here is my setup.  I am using a 
macbook pro 13-inch with the upgraded 8 gigs of ram.  This computer only has 2 
USB ports and one firewire port.  The  interface that I am using is a firewire 
interface and so I was wondering if it would be alright to get a USB external 
hard drive for recording audio since my firewire would be taken up with the 
interface.  Any recommendations for drives would be greatly appreciated.  
Thanks,
Brian

Re: external hard drive recommendation

[Karen Lewellen]

Why thank you professor.
Karen

On Mon, 16 Apr 2012, Slau Halatyn wrote:


Both of you were close. It's actually Lacie :)

Slau

On Apr 16, 2012, at 10:07 PM, The Oreo Monster wrote:


I believe its Laci is how it spelled.
- T.O.M

On Apr 16, 2012, at 9:39 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote:


hoping I do not misspell this.
I am very fond of lachie drives myself.  I have a usb drive in my pro tools 
setup,  and although mine is still he pre voiceover edition, the drive is 
fantastic and the support first rate.
Karen


On Mon, 16 Apr 2012, The Oreo Monster wrote:


I currently am using a usb drive plugged into one of the usb ports on my iMac. 
It's a 5900RPM Drive and surprisingly handles all my PT work just fine. I used 
it as it was the only drive I had at the time but its worked well enough i 
never did get around to buying a firewire drive. That being said i Don't think 
i have done a project that went over 20 tracks yet. So your milage may vary. I 
owned and original focusrite saffire 26 i//o for a while and had to contact 
focusrite support a few times. Quite helpful folks over there.
- T.O.M

On Apr 16, 2012, at 4:09 PM, Nickus de Vos bigboy...@gmail.com wrote:


I know that it's possible to daizy chane more than 1 of the Focusrite 
interfaces so it must also be possible to daizy chane one of them with a hard 
drive. Best would be to email their customer support.
On Monday, April 16, 2012 5:37:52 PM UTC+2, Brian Howerton wrote:
Hello all,
I just got protools and I was wondering what people would recommend for what to 
use as an external drive for recording audio.  Here is my setup.  I am using a 
macbook pro 13-inch with the upgraded 8 gigs of ram.  This computer only has 2 
USB ports and one firewire port.  The  interface that I am using is a firewire 
interface and so I was wondering if it would be alright to get a USB external 
hard drive for recording audio since my firewire would be taken up with the 
interface.  Any recommendations for drives would be greatly appreciated.  
Thanks,
Brian

Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing

[Karen Lewellen]

Actually, a variation on this question?
While avid still provides a recommended gear list for the pre 9 ish edition 
of pro tools, it is a bit dated.  In fact I can get an update from my source 
over there, if I get no answer here.

Still some of the macbooks they recommended have been discontinued anyway.
So if you are 1, using a digi unit for mixing a 002 for example, and 2, 
want to use one of the vo friendly editions of pt, what is the best macbook to 
buy?  I would really rather have a portable one than another desktop so I 
can use it for more than just pro tools.  i always get an external hard 
drive for my work, and understand I may need some sort of firewire 
adapter, but sweetwater sells those, so I am not worried.

Ideas?
Karen

On Fri, 21 Oct 2011, Monkey Pusher wrote:


So long as  you don't get the apple branded optical drive and optical
drive would be less than and external Hard drive. Also the mini's are
quite portable as i briefly owned one of the server models mentioned
here. Only downside is no option for battery power, that being said
there is a 3rd party  battery prick you can purchase for portable
juice.  To answer your initial questions. In all honesty i think even
the 13 MBP would be sufficient for the work you do.  Yeah you may hit
a wall at some point with number of plug ins or something like that.
but you should be find on the track count side and so long as you
don't plan on maxing out the number of plug ins and sends on every
channel. I would probably go for the 8GB of ram in either  the Mini or
the MBP since those machines aren't as easy to open up and add ram to
later on.I started out using pro tools on a MBP with a core II Duo
and it handled around 10 tracks and some plug ins with no issues here.

On 10/21/11, Nickus de Vos bigboy...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi
I looked at the mini server but the only problem I have with the new
one is it has no obtical drive. Sure you get a extra hard drive but I
would still prefer 1 hard drive and a obtical drive. If you run out of
space you can always get a external hard drive but as it is now, you
basically have to get a external obtical drive, yes I know there's
that thing of slaving another mac or pc's drive but that's just a
shlep.

Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing

[Karen Lewellen]

because we have crossed paths in an totally different context then this one 
grin.
I was given to understand one might not be able to use  a digi 002 without 
an adapter on the newer machines, with some question about Lion?  I am not 
particularly wanting to  go with it unless I absolutely have too, complaints 
from other vo users regarding different programs.

Karen

On Fri, 21 Oct 2011, Monkey Pusher wrote:


Karen, why does your name sound so fimiliar, like we crossed path's
before. Anyways, i think any of the current macbook pros will be fine
for your needs. But if you have a sales guy over at sweetwater i'd
check with them as well. Though a new MBP probably means upgrading to
PT 10 for lion support.

On 10/21/11, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote:

Actually, a variation on this question?
While avid still provides a recommended gear list for the pre 9 ish edition
of pro tools, it is a bit dated.  In fact I can get an update from my source
over there, if I get no answer here.
Still some of the macbooks they recommended have been discontinued anyway.
So if you are 1, using a digi unit for mixing a 002 for example, and 2,
want to use one of the vo friendly editions of pt, what is the best macbook
to
buy?  I would really rather have a portable one than another desktop so I
can use it for more than just pro tools.  i always get an external hard
drive for my work, and understand I may need some sort of firewire
adapter, but sweetwater sells those, so I am not worried.
Ideas?
Karen

On Fri, 21 Oct 2011, Monkey Pusher wrote:


So long as  you don't get the apple branded optical drive and optical
drive would be less than and external Hard drive. Also the mini's are
quite portable as i briefly owned one of the server models mentioned
here. Only downside is no option for battery power, that being said
there is a 3rd party  battery prick you can purchase for portable
juice.  To answer your initial questions. In all honesty i think even
the 13 MBP would be sufficient for the work you do.  Yeah you may hit
a wall at some point with number of plug ins or something like that.
but you should be find on the track count side and so long as you
don't plan on maxing out the number of plug ins and sends on every
channel. I would probably go for the 8GB of ram in either  the Mini or
the MBP since those machines aren't as easy to open up and add ram to
later on.I started out using pro tools on a MBP with a core II Duo
and it handled around 10 tracks and some plug ins with no issues here.

On 10/21/11, Nickus de Vos bigboy...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi
I looked at the mini server but the only problem I have with the new
one is it has no obtical drive. Sure you get a extra hard drive but I
would still prefer 1 hard drive and a obtical drive. If you run out of
space you can always get a external hard drive but as it is now, you
basically have to get a external obtical drive, yes I know there's
that thing of slaving another mac or pc's drive but that's just a
shlep.

Re: Ideal mac for recording/editing/mixing

[Karen Lewellen]

Hey, I should be flattered I am remembered lol.
It seems there is more to the digi working with lion than just the 
firewire factor.   I called Tekserve down there, about it and they tell me 
I would  have to downgrade, not sure why yet, I have asked  and will 
share.

Karen

On Fri, 21 Oct 2011, Monkey Pusher wrote:


I think you just confirmed my suspicions lol. If memory serves
correct, the 002 is a firewire 400 device and the newer macs all have
firewire 800 ports only. Yes a simple adapter or 800 to 400 cable is
all thats needed to resolve this as my MBox Pro is the same way.
Personally i am loving all the VO improovements in lion that you would
have to drag me kicking and screaming back to snow leopard. That being
said, if there is a particular application that you need and  you know
it doesn't work with lion yet, then avoid it. The only issue i really
have with PT 9.05 in lion now is space not always triggering playback,
but i do wonder  if their is some optimization i still need to make
that i havent figured out yet.

On 10/21/11, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote:

because we have crossed paths in an totally different context then this one
grin.
I was given to understand one might not be able to use  a digi 002 without
an adapter on the newer machines, with some question about Lion?  I am not
particularly wanting to  go with it unless I absolutely have too, complaints
from other vo users regarding different programs.
Karen

On Fri, 21 Oct 2011, Monkey Pusher wrote:


Karen, why does your name sound so fimiliar, like we crossed path's
before. Anyways, i think any of the current macbook pros will be fine
for your needs. But if you have a sales guy over at sweetwater i'd
check with them as well. Though a new MBP probably means upgrading to
PT 10 for lion support.

On 10/21/11, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote:

Actually, a variation on this question?
While avid still provides a recommended gear list for the pre 9 ish
edition
of pro tools, it is a bit dated.  In fact I can get an update from my
source
over there, if I get no answer here.
Still some of the macbooks they recommended have been discontinued
anyway.
So if you are 1, using a digi unit for mixing a 002 for example, and 2,
want to use one of the vo friendly editions of pt, what is the best
macbook
to
buy?  I would really rather have a portable one than another desktop so I
can use it for more than just pro tools.  i always get an external hard
drive for my work, and understand I may need some sort of firewire
adapter, but sweetwater sells those, so I am not worried.
Ideas?
Karen

On Fri, 21 Oct 2011, Monkey Pusher wrote:


So long as  you don't get the apple branded optical drive and optical
drive would be less than and external Hard drive. Also the mini's are
quite portable as i briefly owned one of the server models mentioned
here. Only downside is no option for battery power, that being said
there is a 3rd party  battery prick you can purchase for portable
juice.  To answer your initial questions. In all honesty i think even
the 13 MBP would be sufficient for the work you do.  Yeah you may hit
a wall at some point with number of plug ins or something like that.
but you should be find on the track count side and so long as you
don't plan on maxing out the number of plug ins and sends on every
channel. I would probably go for the 8GB of ram in either  the Mini or
the MBP since those machines aren't as easy to open up and add ram to
later on.I started out using pro tools on a MBP with a core II Duo
and it handled around 10 tracks and some plug ins with no issues here.

On 10/21/11, Nickus de Vos bigboy...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi
I looked at the mini server but the only problem I have with the new
one is it has no obtical drive. Sure you get a extra hard drive but I
would still prefer 1 hard drive and a obtical drive. If you run out of
space you can always get a external hard drive but as it is now, you
basically have to get a external obtical drive, yes I know there's
that thing of slaving another mac or pc's drive but that's just a
shlep.

002 vs 003?

[Karen Lewellen]

In terms of access of course?
I have a 002, and since pt 9 still supports it, am wondering if there is a 
seriously compelling reason for a change?
Oh and I did learn that they still keep the preferred gear list including 
computer recommendations, can share the link if there is interest.

Karen

RE: pro tools on a laptop?

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi Cameron,
My best wisdom so far has come directly from avid customer support. 
Unfortunately avid reps are getting rare here, theonly authorized service 
center is in Quebec. I will check first to see if they do indeed still 
have the computer approved, list.
That was how I outfitted this setup, and I am still hunting for on sight 
wisdom, since indeed that is best to my mind too.  someone here who can 
actually make recommendations based on my structure.
Cameron every radio producer is told not to store their audio on the hard 
drive of their main machine, that is why  I use an external drive.

Karen

On Tue, 18 Jan 2011, Cameron wrote:


Hi Karen.  Any Intel based mac book pro with a texas instruments firewire
chipset would work.  On the newer ones, you'd need a firewire 800 to
firewire 400 adaptor but they are pretty cheap.  You can get an off brand
one for around twenty five dollars US.  The newer mac book pros, like the
newer Imacs, only have firewire 800 ports.

What you'd want to do would be to have a firewire hard drive and daisy chain
that with the Digi 002.  A USB drive is not recommended if you are using
that drive to record/playback sessions.

The mac book pros with either an I5 or I7 processor run pro tools with no
trouble.  The only thing to watch out for is if someone will be using
virtual instruments that require a lot of disk streaming.  However, from
speaking with you previously, you don't seem to be in that camp.

Also, a drive that is 7200rpm as opposed to 5400rpm would be a good idea.

All the new mac book pros come with 4 gigs of ddr3 ram standard.  Depending
on track count and plug ins used etc, bumping that up to eight gigs may be a
wise investment.

You'll need a keyboard with a number pad although you could use the apple
desktop keyboard you already own.

Good luck and let us know what you get when you decide on a machine.

Cameron.






-Original Message-
From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Karen Lewellen
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 9:21 PM
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: pro tools on a laptop?

Hi all,
As I get closer to this, I have a question.
My present pro tools setup with os 9 involves a desktop, but I am
considering a laptop for the new mac so as to take advantage of other mac
uses.  However if I cannot find a fit for my present pro tools hardware, I
have and will continue to use a digi 002, then I would have to consider a
desktop instead.
I also will be connecting an external usb drive.
I realize this might be a very basic question, but can anyone recommend a
mac laptop that will allow me to connect the digi and the external drive
with no major issues?
Was going to ask my local pro audio store here with the greatest history
with my setup, but sadly they seem to be gone.
thanks,
Karen

RE: pro tools on a laptop?

[Karen Lewellen]

because Cameron sweetwater cannot make house calls to Canada smiles.
Ihave a few doors before I have to knock that far.
Thanks,
Karen

On Tue, 18 Jan 2011, Cameron wrote:


Hey Karen.  Oh yes, I'm aware.  same goes for other areas of music/audio...
which is why I mentioned daisy chainigng the 002 with an external firewire
hard drive so you use the external as your audio drive and the internal as
the system drive.  You'll still have better performance in the long run
using a 7200rpm internal drive as opposed to 5400rpm.

Why not call Sweetwater in Indiana?  They are avid and apple dealers and
seem to be the best in the business.

Cameron.





-Original Message-
From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Karen Lewellen
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 11:17 AM
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: pro tools on a laptop?

Hi Cameron,
My best wisdom so far has come directly from avid customer support.
Unfortunately avid reps are getting rare here, theonly authorized service
center is in Quebec. I will check first to see if they do indeed still
have the computer approved, list.
That was how I outfitted this setup, and I am still hunting for on sight
wisdom, since indeed that is best to my mind too.  someone here who can
actually make recommendations based on my structure.
Cameron every radio producer is told not to store their audio on the hard
drive of their main machine, that is why  I use an external drive.
Karen

On Tue, 18 Jan 2011, Cameron wrote:


Hi Karen.  Any Intel based mac book pro with a texas instruments firewire
chipset would work.  On the newer ones, you'd need a firewire 800 to
firewire 400 adaptor but they are pretty cheap.  You can get an off brand
one for around twenty five dollars US.  The newer mac book pros, like the
newer Imacs, only have firewire 800 ports.

What you'd want to do would be to have a firewire hard drive and daisy

chain

that with the Digi 002.  A USB drive is not recommended if you are using
that drive to record/playback sessions.

The mac book pros with either an I5 or I7 processor run pro tools with no
trouble.  The only thing to watch out for is if someone will be using
virtual instruments that require a lot of disk streaming.  However, from
speaking with you previously, you don't seem to be in that camp.

Also, a drive that is 7200rpm as opposed to 5400rpm would be a good idea.

All the new mac book pros come with 4 gigs of ddr3 ram standard.

Depending

on track count and plug ins used etc, bumping that up to eight gigs may be

a

wise investment.

You'll need a keyboard with a number pad although you could use the apple
desktop keyboard you already own.

Good luck and let us know what you get when you decide on a machine.

Cameron.






-Original Message-
From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On

Behalf

Of Karen Lewellen
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 9:21 PM
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: pro tools on a laptop?

Hi all,
As I get closer to this, I have a question.
My present pro tools setup with os 9 involves a desktop, but I am
considering a laptop for the new mac so as to take advantage of other mac
uses.  However if I cannot find a fit for my present pro tools hardware, I
have and will continue to use a digi 002, then I would have to consider a
desktop instead.
I also will be connecting an external usb drive.
I realize this might be a very basic question, but can anyone recommend a
mac laptop that will allow me to connect the digi and the external drive
with no major issues?
Was going to ask my local pro audio store here with the greatest history
with my setup, but sadly they seem to be gone.
thanks,
Karen

Re: rec issues continue. Also FW800 to FW400

[Karen Lewellen]

you are suggesting connecting a drive to the digi, which I understood is 
also  an fw 400 device, instead of to the mac itself?

I am thinking more of the control surface needs than the drive.

On Sun, 11 Jul 2010, Slau Halatyn wrote:


Hi Karen,

I don't know what the current crop of Apple computers have but any drive that 
has both an 800 and a 400 port is capable of interfacing with a Mac and any FW 
400 device.

Slau

On Jul 11, 2010, at 5:49 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:


Actually that brings up a question.
Is there therefore no currently support apple desktop or laptop that has fw 400 
 built in? meaning that some kind of conversion is absolutely required if you 
are going to use a digi 002 for example?

Karen
On Sat, 10 Jul 2010, Chuck Reichel wrote:


Hi clarence,
I just went through the FW 800 conversion to FW 400 with my Mbox pro 2 and let 
me tell you the Lacie drive did not work with that combo!!!
I ended up getting a 800 to 400 fw pcie card for my Mac pro quad core and then 
PT saw the Mbox 2 pro finally.
If I had to do it over I would have went with a FW 800 to FW 400 conversion 
cable! No telling if that would have worked either! LOL
Now that I have installed my PT HD3 which by the way is just purring along, the 
pceie 800 to 400 fw card is sitting here in the box!! Any body need a 
conversion card its on sale!
GROWLLL.
It may work for you but no guarantee.
The $29 800 to 400 cable would probably  be your most cost effective solution 
if you only have a 800 port.
talk soon

Chuck Reichel
954-742-0019
www.SoundPictureRecording.com


On Jul 10, 2010, at 5:45 PM, clarence griffin wrote:


oh yeah, and it only has 1 fw 800 port, its the 13 inch model.
GF
On Jul 10, 2010, at 1:58 PM, Slau Halatyn wrote:

I don't recall whether you're using a laptop or Mac Pro but, whatever the  case is, if there's 
only one FireWire port available on the laptop, you  absolutely need a chassis with at least 2 
FireWire ports and hang the  control surface off the drive. With FireWire stuff and Pro Tools, 
the  interface is always last in the chain. Otherwise, yeah, if it's a MacBook  Pro with 400 
and 800 ports, it's possible to just keep the drive and  interface on separate busses. Whatever 
configuration you're using, it  should be way more than powerful enough to handle a ton of 
tracks.

Years ago, I did a remote session with an iBook which was only a 600 MHz  
processor and recorded 16 tracks live without any hiccups at all.
Slau
On Jul 10, 2010, at 12:03 PM, clarence griffin wrote:

ah! thanks. this sounds good. I didn't even think of that. so I need to   get a 
caddy with 2 fw ports on it, then I can connect that to the mac,   and the project 
mix to the drive.

Is this correct? I just want to make sure I am understanding you   correctly. 
I think that's right.

GF

On Jul 10, 2010, at 10:19 AM, Slau Halatyn wrote:

OK, yeah, I see what other people have since commented and,certainly, stay away from USB and I woldn't at all recommendrecording 
to your internal drive. Yes, it will work and it'll workfor a while but you're asking for trouble. The way the interfaceconnects 
is by being the last item in the FireWire chain. Get a drivewith two FireWire ports and connect computer to drive and drive to
interface. The smaller compact bus-powered drives have fewer optionsin terms of multiple You'll want to go with something a bit more   
 substantial. If the computer has a FW 800 port, you can record tothat bus and use the 400 bus just for the interface.

HTH,
Slau

ports.
On Jul 9, 2010, at 8:19 PM, clarence griffin wrote:

I disabled the drive I was recording to from the spot light settings. Maybe I can't use an 
external drive? Its USB 2.0. I would think that's fast enough. Maybe I need to record to my 
hard drive? If so. I have a lot of clearing out of stuff to do.

Any suggestions??

GF




Chuck Reichel
954-742-0019
www.SoundPictureRecording.com

RE: download link for 8.0.4 LE

[Karen Lewellen]

I did not say I thought that, I asked a question.  However I replied to 
number 18920 in my 
inbox it seems the other data is higher in my pile.

Karen

On Wed, 7 Jul 2010, Bryan Smart wrote:


What makes you think that?

-Original Message-
From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptacc...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Karen Lewellen
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 6:26 PM
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: download link for 8.0.4 LE

is this another beta edition?
Karen

On Wed, 7 Jul 2010, Slau Halatyn wrote:


http://secure.digidesign.com/services/avid/kb/downloads.cfm?digiArticl
eId=41974localeCode=en

Re: Will all versions be updated

[Karen Lewellen]

Jerry,
A beta release as you just noted, is *not* a commercial release.  to my 
mind commercial releases are official.
If digi backs this, then why have they not told you, firmly, that the 
changes exist?


Karen

On Fri, 18 Jun 2010, Slau Halatyn wrote:


Karen,

I'm not sure what you mean by official release. Of course, it's officially a 
Pro Tools release. If you mean, whether it has the changes implemented in the beta, 
again, I don't mean to alarm anyone but I have yet to hear of someone downloading the 
update, installing it and confirming the changes. I'm cautiously optimistic.

Anyone? Just asking again. If I have a chance on Monday, I'll try to confirm.

Slau

On Jun 18, 2010, at 11:44 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote:


So, this is not an official release yet?
This is why I am waiting.  until its officially out, anything can happen.
Karen

On Fri, 18 Jun 2010, clarence griffin wrote:


no upgrade to get yet.

GF


On Jun 18, 2010, at 11:34 AM, Slau Halatyn wrote:


It's not a dumb question at all. Here's a very important thing to note. While 
the accessibility improvements were clearly featured in the beta release of 
8.0.4 HD, LE and M-Powered. Until someone actually confirms it with the 
commercial release, there's no way to guarantee it. By all means, we're all 
quite confident that the improvements were implemented but I have yet to hear 
from anyone that they've downloaded and installed the commercial version. I'm 
still on the beta and have not yet gotten around to doing the upgrade. Has 
anyone else?

This may sound like an extremely improbable thing but, it's possible that 
things might've changed before the release. That's why most companies ask 
testers not to talk about beta versions. In case something happens and a 
feature must be shelved until a future release, they don't want people to have 
expectations.

Again, not to alarm anyone but, frankly, I haven't heard of anyone installing 
the commercial version yet. Anyone? I personally won't have a chance to upgrade 
my HD system until a week from now, at best.

RE: Functions in PT like Sound Forge

[Karen Lewellen]

I considered adding using a laser to slice a loaf of bread, but these are 
far funnier.

Karen

On Tue, 15 Jun 2010, Cameron wrote:


Hi.  damn, I was going to say it's like taking a tank to go grocery
shopping, but it's too close to what you said.  Lol.

Oh well.

Cameron.



-Original Message-
From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptacc...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Frank Carmickle
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 5:52 PM
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Functions in PT like Sound Forge


On Jun 15, 2010, at 4:38 PM, clarence griffin wrote:


more like a cannon to a pillow fight. lol


At least you can shoot pillows out of a cannon.  I'd say it's more like
taking an 18 wheeler to pick up a gallon of milk when you could have just
walked.

--FC