Re: [Qgis-developer] Toolbar and Panel defaults
Hi guys, I agree with Antonio on both counts. With the layers panel on the left it seems more natural to have the navigation toolbar on the right side of the window. And yes, if it is possible to have a titlebar on floating toolbars that would make it much easier to close toolbars you don't want (sometimes it isn't at all obvious which toolbar you are looking at, so you have to go through turning them on and off one at a time until you find the right one). Also, I think this has been suggested previously, but personally I don't think the File or the Manage Layers toolbars should be on by default. They aren't like some of the other toolbars which you need to frequently switch between different tools, they contain functions which users naturally look for in the right place in the menu, and in the case of the Manage Layers toolbar I suspect that even for experienced users it is much faster to find the right tool in the layer menu than it is to figure out which icon in the toolbar is the one they want. Regards, Alister Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 18:40:23 -0600 From: antoniolocandro antoniolocan...@hotmail.com To: lar...@dakotacarto.com, madman...@gmail.com Cc: qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [Qgis-developer] Toolbar and Panel defaults Message-ID: col402-eas344943fecb92e1eb189e882a5...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Could we add the possibility to close toolbars by undocking them and hitting an x in the window I prefer the right for navigation than left Sent from Samsung tabletLarry Shaffer lar...@dakotacarto.com wrote:Hi Nathan, On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Nathan Woodrow madman...@gmail.com wrote: Having the nav toolbar on the side would be ideal if you could dock it on the right side of the layers panel. ?I'm not a fan of having to go all the way over the layer panel to access the navigation tools. That's a very good point. What about the Navigation toolbar on the right, with the Plugin toolbar filling the empty space at right on the first row of horizontal toolbars? Here's my reasoning. Nav tools are quickly accessible, and when a new user downloads/installs a plugin, there is already space to show it (assuming that plugin loads a tool button into the Plugins toolbar). Then the user can move toolbars to their liking. Any other ideas? [0] http://drive.dakotacarto.com/qgis/qgis_default_nav-tools-right.png ? ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Toolbar and Panel defaults
On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Alister Hood alister.h...@synergine.comwrote: Also, I think this has been suggested previously, but personally I don't think the File or the Manage Layers toolbars should be on by default. They aren't like some of the other toolbars which you need to frequently switch between different tools, they contain functions which users naturally look for in the right place in the menu, and in the case of the Manage Layers toolbar I suspect that even for experienced users it is much faster to find the right tool in the layer menu than it is to figure out which icon in the toolbar is the one they want. Don't agree. I can't see this getting removed and if they were it would hurt user experience more the help it I feel. I'm an experienced user and I use the toolbar all the time, it's faster then navigating a menu which is why they are there. - Nathan ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Toolbar and Panel defaults
Hi Larry, Nathan, Am Mittwoch, 10. Juli 2013, 17.05:56 schrieb Larry Shaffer: On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Nathan Woodrow madman...@gmail.com wrote: Having the nav toolbar on the side would be ideal if you could dock it on the right side of the layers panel. I'm not a fan of having to go all the way over the layer panel to access the navigation tools. That's a very good point. What about the Navigation toolbar on the right, with the Plugin toolbar filling the empty space at right on the first row of horizontal toolbars? Here's my reasoning. Nav tools are quickly accessible, and when a new user downloads/installs a plugin, there is already space to show it (assuming that plugin loads a tool button into the Plugins toolbar). Then the user can move toolbars to their liking. Any other ideas? I'm not a friend of a toolbar on the right side, because it's too far away when the Sextante toolbox is displayed. I propose to put the layer toolbar on the left side. This will feel quite new for most users, but it makes sense to have it at the side of the layers panel and the browser which also has an add layer functionality. +1 for activating the plugin toolbar filling empty space. Pirmin [0] http://drive.dakotacarto.com/qgis/qgis_default_nav-tools-right.png Regards, Larry - Nathan On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Larry Shaffer lar...@dakotacarto.comwrote: H Pirmin, On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Pirmin Kalberer pi...@sourcepole.comwrote: Hi Jürgen, Am Mittwoch, 10. Juli 2013, 08.38:38 schrieb Jürgen E. Fischer: On Tue, 09. Jul 2013 at 22:55:18 +0200, Pirmin Kalberer wrote: Toolbars: -Turn off Advanced Digitizing -Move Label to second row Panels: -Turn on Layer order and Browser in a tabbed view with Layers Print composer: -Place all toolbars in one row In case anyone missed it: scripts/mkuidefaults.py produces src/app/ui_defaults.h from the current settings. Didn't know that. Updated the script to support composer UI defaults. Couple of other ideas comments, too: * Currently there are no side toolbars by default. Many apps utilize the left side toolbar for critical tools. To me, such tools in a GIS app are the canvas navigation tools. So whenever I to an initial setup of QGIS, I always put the Map Navigation toolbar on the left. * Similarly, I always place the Plugins toolbar on the right side. There is currently a bug that sets that toolbar to not be shown on a default install (that should be fixed). I would like to hear feedback on those two suggestions for default side toolbars. Following your suggestions (and mine), the default window would look similar to this (on Mac) [0]. +1 for removing Advanced Digitizing toolbar as a default, as all of the functions are available in the Edit menu already. If needed, the user can show that toolbar. Another major layout issue is what the layout looks like after turning on all core plugins [1]. Then, what it looks like when all those plugin toolbars are shown [2]. This needs some work. [0] http://drive.dakotacarto.com/qgis/qgis_default.png [1] http://drive.dakotacarto.com/qgis/qgis_default_core-plugins_no-extra-tool bars.png [2] http://drive.dakotacarto.com/qgis/qgis_default_core-plugins_with-toolbars .png Regards, Larry So updating it should be easy, once it's decides what should be the default. Not sure if the data contains pixel coordinates and if the screen resolution might therefore be an issue... Let's try: https://github.com/qgis/Quantum-GIS/pull/710 Pirmin -- Pirmin Kalberer Sourcepole - Linux Open Source Solutions http://www.sourcepole.com ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer -- Pirmin Kalberer Sourcepole - Linux Open Source Solutions http://www.sourcepole.com ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Toolbar and Panel defaults
Hi, On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Pirmin Kalberer pi...@sourcepole.comwrote: Hi Larry, Nathan, Am Mittwoch, 10. Juli 2013, 17.05:56 schrieb Larry Shaffer: On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Nathan Woodrow madman...@gmail.com wrote: Having the nav toolbar on the side would be ideal if you could dock it on the right side of the layers panel. I'm not a fan of having to go all the way over the layer panel to access the navigation tools. That's a very good point. What about the Navigation toolbar on the right, with the Plugin toolbar filling the empty space at right on the first row of horizontal toolbars? Here's my reasoning. Nav tools are quickly accessible, and when a new user downloads/installs a plugin, there is already space to show it (assuming that plugin loads a tool button into the Plugins toolbar). Then the user can move toolbars to their liking. Any other ideas? I'm not a friend of a toolbar on the right side, because it's too far away when the Sextante toolbox is displayed. I propose to put the layer toolbar on the left side. This will feel quite new for most users, but it makes sense to have it at the side of the layers panel and the browser which also has an add layer functionality. +1 for activating the plugin toolbar filling empty space. So, going with your suggestion of having Manage Layers toolbar on left, and Plugins toolbar filling space to right of Help toolbar, the layout would look like this [0] (using latest icons from Denis [1]). +1 for this as default layout. Couple of things need some work: * The New Spatialite Layer needs a new icon, and its icon added to the toolbar * When all other core plugins are turned on (that have a add or new layer function) it looks confusing, like this [2] (after a restart). To fix, just need to ensure the Oracle and SQL Anywhere (also needs new icon) icons go before the W*S icons and the New GPX Layer goes before the Remove Layer icon. This way, the icon grouping continues to make sense: Add, New, Remove. * Help icon looks a little too dominant, or possible too far off-style. [0] http://drive.dakotacarto.com/qgis/qgis_default_manage-layers_left.png [1] https://github.com/qgis/Quantum-GIS/pull/700 [2] http://drive.dakotacarto.com/qgis/qgis_default_manage-layers_left-all.png Regards, Larry Pirmin [0] http://drive.dakotacarto.com/qgis/qgis_default_nav-tools-right.png Regards, Larry - Nathan On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Larry Shaffer lar...@dakotacarto.comwrote: H Pirmin, On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Pirmin Kalberer pi...@sourcepole.comwrote: Hi Jürgen, Am Mittwoch, 10. Juli 2013, 08.38:38 schrieb Jürgen E. Fischer: On Tue, 09. Jul 2013 at 22:55:18 +0200, Pirmin Kalberer wrote: Toolbars: -Turn off Advanced Digitizing -Move Label to second row Panels: -Turn on Layer order and Browser in a tabbed view with Layers Print composer: -Place all toolbars in one row In case anyone missed it: scripts/mkuidefaults.py produces src/app/ui_defaults.h from the current settings. Didn't know that. Updated the script to support composer UI defaults. Couple of other ideas comments, too: * Currently there are no side toolbars by default. Many apps utilize the left side toolbar for critical tools. To me, such tools in a GIS app are the canvas navigation tools. So whenever I to an initial setup of QGIS, I always put the Map Navigation toolbar on the left. * Similarly, I always place the Plugins toolbar on the right side. There is currently a bug that sets that toolbar to not be shown on a default install (that should be fixed). I would like to hear feedback on those two suggestions for default side toolbars. Following your suggestions (and mine), the default window would look similar to this (on Mac) [0]. +1 for removing Advanced Digitizing toolbar as a default, as all of the functions are available in the Edit menu already. If needed, the user can show that toolbar. Another major layout issue is what the layout looks like after turning on all core plugins [1]. Then, what it looks like when all those plugin toolbars are shown [2]. This needs some work. [0] http://drive.dakotacarto.com/qgis/qgis_default.png [1] http://drive.dakotacarto.com/qgis/qgis_default_core-plugins_no-extra-tool bars.png [2] http://drive.dakotacarto.com/qgis/qgis_default_core-plugins_with-toolbars .png Regards, Larry So updating it should be easy, once it's decides what should be the default. Not sure if the data contains pixel coordinates and if the screen resolution might therefore be an issue... Let's try: https://github.com/qgis/Quantum-GIS/pull/710 Pirmin -- Pirmin Kalberer Sourcepole - Linux Open Source Solutions http://www.sourcepole.com
Re: [Qgis-developer] Toolbar and Panel defaults
I would be happy with that layout. I love those new icons Denis! - Nathan On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Larry Shaffer lar...@dakotacarto.comwrote: Hi, On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Pirmin Kalberer pi...@sourcepole.comwrote: Hi Larry, Nathan, Am Mittwoch, 10. Juli 2013, 17.05:56 schrieb Larry Shaffer: On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Nathan Woodrow madman...@gmail.com wrote: Having the nav toolbar on the side would be ideal if you could dock it on the right side of the layers panel. I'm not a fan of having to go all the way over the layer panel to access the navigation tools. That's a very good point. What about the Navigation toolbar on the right, with the Plugin toolbar filling the empty space at right on the first row of horizontal toolbars? Here's my reasoning. Nav tools are quickly accessible, and when a new user downloads/installs a plugin, there is already space to show it (assuming that plugin loads a tool button into the Plugins toolbar). Then the user can move toolbars to their liking. Any other ideas? I'm not a friend of a toolbar on the right side, because it's too far away when the Sextante toolbox is displayed. I propose to put the layer toolbar on the left side. This will feel quite new for most users, but it makes sense to have it at the side of the layers panel and the browser which also has an add layer functionality. +1 for activating the plugin toolbar filling empty space. So, going with your suggestion of having Manage Layers toolbar on left, and Plugins toolbar filling space to right of Help toolbar, the layout would look like this [0] (using latest icons from Denis [1]). +1 for this as default layout. Couple of things need some work: * The New Spatialite Layer needs a new icon, and its icon added to the toolbar * When all other core plugins are turned on (that have a add or new layer function) it looks confusing, like this [2] (after a restart). To fix, just need to ensure the Oracle and SQL Anywhere (also needs new icon) icons go before the W*S icons and the New GPX Layer goes before the Remove Layer icon. This way, the icon grouping continues to make sense: Add, New, Remove. * Help icon looks a little too dominant, or possible too far off-style. [0] http://drive.dakotacarto.com/qgis/qgis_default_manage-layers_left.png [1] https://github.com/qgis/Quantum-GIS/pull/700 [2] http://drive.dakotacarto.com/qgis/qgis_default_manage-layers_left-all.png Regards, Larry Pirmin [0] http://drive.dakotacarto.com/qgis/qgis_default_nav-tools-right.png Regards, Larry - Nathan On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Larry Shaffer lar...@dakotacarto.comwrote: H Pirmin, On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Pirmin Kalberer pi...@sourcepole.comwrote: Hi Jürgen, Am Mittwoch, 10. Juli 2013, 08.38:38 schrieb Jürgen E. Fischer: On Tue, 09. Jul 2013 at 22:55:18 +0200, Pirmin Kalberer wrote: Toolbars: -Turn off Advanced Digitizing -Move Label to second row Panels: -Turn on Layer order and Browser in a tabbed view with Layers Print composer: -Place all toolbars in one row In case anyone missed it: scripts/mkuidefaults.py produces src/app/ui_defaults.h from the current settings. Didn't know that. Updated the script to support composer UI defaults. Couple of other ideas comments, too: * Currently there are no side toolbars by default. Many apps utilize the left side toolbar for critical tools. To me, such tools in a GIS app are the canvas navigation tools. So whenever I to an initial setup of QGIS, I always put the Map Navigation toolbar on the left. * Similarly, I always place the Plugins toolbar on the right side. There is currently a bug that sets that toolbar to not be shown on a default install (that should be fixed). I would like to hear feedback on those two suggestions for default side toolbars. Following your suggestions (and mine), the default window would look similar to this (on Mac) [0]. +1 for removing Advanced Digitizing toolbar as a default, as all of the functions are available in the Edit menu already. If needed, the user can show that toolbar. Another major layout issue is what the layout looks like after turning on all core plugins [1]. Then, what it looks like when all those plugin toolbars are shown [2]. This needs some work. [0] http://drive.dakotacarto.com/qgis/qgis_default.png [1] http://drive.dakotacarto.com/qgis/qgis_default_core-plugins_no-extra-tool bars.png [2] http://drive.dakotacarto.com/qgis/qgis_default_core-plugins_with-toolbars .png Regards, Larry So updating it should be easy, once it's decides what should be the default. Not sure if the data contains pixel coordinates and if the screen resolution might therefore be an issue...
Re: [Qgis-developer] Toolbar and Panel defaults
Hi Pirmin, On Tue, 09. Jul 2013 at 22:55:18 +0200, Pirmin Kalberer wrote: Toolbars: -Turn off Advanced Digitizing -Move Label to second row Panels: -Turn on Layer order and Browser in a tabbed view with Layers Print composer: -Place all toolbars in one row In case anyone missed it: scripts/mkuidefaults.py produces src/app/ui_defaults.h from the current settings. So updating it should be easy, once it's decides what should be the default. Not sure if the data contains pixel coordinates and if the screen resolution might therefore be an issue... Jürgen -- Jürgen E. Fischer norBIT GmbH Tel. +49-4931-918175-31 Dipl.-Inf. (FH) Rheinstraße 13Fax. +49-4931-918175-50 Software Engineer D-26506 Norden http://www.norbit.de committ(ed|ing) to QGISIRC: jef on FreeNode -- norBIT Gesellschaft fuer Unternehmensberatung und Informationssysteme mbH Rheinstrasse 13, 26506 Norden GF: Jelto Buurman, HR: Amtsgericht Emden, HRB 5502 ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Toolbar and Panel defaults
Hi Jürgen, Am Mittwoch, 10. Juli 2013, 08.38:38 schrieb Jürgen E. Fischer: On Tue, 09. Jul 2013 at 22:55:18 +0200, Pirmin Kalberer wrote: Toolbars: -Turn off Advanced Digitizing -Move Label to second row Panels: -Turn on Layer order and Browser in a tabbed view with Layers Print composer: -Place all toolbars in one row In case anyone missed it: scripts/mkuidefaults.py produces src/app/ui_defaults.h from the current settings. Didn't know that. Updated the script to support composer UI defaults. So updating it should be easy, once it's decides what should be the default. Not sure if the data contains pixel coordinates and if the screen resolution might therefore be an issue... Let's try: https://github.com/qgis/Quantum-GIS/pull/710 Pirmin -- Pirmin Kalberer Sourcepole - Linux Open Source Solutions http://www.sourcepole.com ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Toolbar and Panel defaults
H Pirmin, On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Pirmin Kalberer pi...@sourcepole.comwrote: Hi Jürgen, Am Mittwoch, 10. Juli 2013, 08.38:38 schrieb Jürgen E. Fischer: On Tue, 09. Jul 2013 at 22:55:18 +0200, Pirmin Kalberer wrote: Toolbars: -Turn off Advanced Digitizing -Move Label to second row Panels: -Turn on Layer order and Browser in a tabbed view with Layers Print composer: -Place all toolbars in one row In case anyone missed it: scripts/mkuidefaults.py produces src/app/ui_defaults.h from the current settings. Didn't know that. Updated the script to support composer UI defaults. Couple of other ideas comments, too: * Currently there are no side toolbars by default. Many apps utilize the left side toolbar for critical tools. To me, such tools in a GIS app are the canvas navigation tools. So whenever I to an initial setup of QGIS, I always put the Map Navigation toolbar on the left. * Similarly, I always place the Plugins toolbar on the right side. There is currently a bug that sets that toolbar to not be shown on a default install (that should be fixed). I would like to hear feedback on those two suggestions for default side toolbars. Following your suggestions (and mine), the default window would look similar to this (on Mac) [0]. +1 for removing Advanced Digitizing toolbar as a default, as all of the functions are available in the Edit menu already. If needed, the user can show that toolbar. Another major layout issue is what the layout looks like after turning on all core plugins [1]. Then, what it looks like when all those plugin toolbars are shown [2]. This needs some work. [0] http://drive.dakotacarto.com/qgis/qgis_default.png [1] http://drive.dakotacarto.com/qgis/qgis_default_core-plugins_no-extra-toolbars.png [2] http://drive.dakotacarto.com/qgis/qgis_default_core-plugins_with-toolbars.png Regards, Larry So updating it should be easy, once it's decides what should be the default. Not sure if the data contains pixel coordinates and if the screen resolution might therefore be an issue... Let's try: https://github.com/qgis/Quantum-GIS/pull/710 Pirmin -- Pirmin Kalberer Sourcepole - Linux Open Source Solutions http://www.sourcepole.com ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Toolbar and Panel defaults
Having the nav toolbar on the side would be ideal if you could dock it on the right side of the layers panel. I'm not a fan of having to go all the way over the layer panel to access the navigation tools. - Nathan On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Larry Shaffer lar...@dakotacarto.comwrote: H Pirmin, On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Pirmin Kalberer pi...@sourcepole.comwrote: Hi Jürgen, Am Mittwoch, 10. Juli 2013, 08.38:38 schrieb Jürgen E. Fischer: On Tue, 09. Jul 2013 at 22:55:18 +0200, Pirmin Kalberer wrote: Toolbars: -Turn off Advanced Digitizing -Move Label to second row Panels: -Turn on Layer order and Browser in a tabbed view with Layers Print composer: -Place all toolbars in one row In case anyone missed it: scripts/mkuidefaults.py produces src/app/ui_defaults.h from the current settings. Didn't know that. Updated the script to support composer UI defaults. Couple of other ideas comments, too: * Currently there are no side toolbars by default. Many apps utilize the left side toolbar for critical tools. To me, such tools in a GIS app are the canvas navigation tools. So whenever I to an initial setup of QGIS, I always put the Map Navigation toolbar on the left. * Similarly, I always place the Plugins toolbar on the right side. There is currently a bug that sets that toolbar to not be shown on a default install (that should be fixed). I would like to hear feedback on those two suggestions for default side toolbars. Following your suggestions (and mine), the default window would look similar to this (on Mac) [0]. +1 for removing Advanced Digitizing toolbar as a default, as all of the functions are available in the Edit menu already. If needed, the user can show that toolbar. Another major layout issue is what the layout looks like after turning on all core plugins [1]. Then, what it looks like when all those plugin toolbars are shown [2]. This needs some work. [0] http://drive.dakotacarto.com/qgis/qgis_default.png [1] http://drive.dakotacarto.com/qgis/qgis_default_core-plugins_no-extra-toolbars.png [2] http://drive.dakotacarto.com/qgis/qgis_default_core-plugins_with-toolbars.png Regards, Larry So updating it should be easy, once it's decides what should be the default. Not sure if the data contains pixel coordinates and if the screen resolution might therefore be an issue... Let's try: https://github.com/qgis/Quantum-GIS/pull/710 Pirmin -- Pirmin Kalberer Sourcepole - Linux Open Source Solutions http://www.sourcepole.com ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Toolbar and Panel defaults
Hi Nathan, On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Nathan Woodrow madman...@gmail.com wrote: Having the nav toolbar on the side would be ideal if you could dock it on the right side of the layers panel. I'm not a fan of having to go all the way over the layer panel to access the navigation tools. That's a very good point. What about the Navigation toolbar on the right, with the Plugin toolbar filling the empty space at right on the first row of horizontal toolbars? Here's my reasoning. Nav tools are quickly accessible, and when a new user downloads/installs a plugin, there is already space to show it (assuming that plugin loads a tool button into the Plugins toolbar). Then the user can move toolbars to their liking. Any other ideas? [0] http://drive.dakotacarto.com/qgis/qgis_default_nav-tools-right.png Regards, Larry - Nathan On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Larry Shaffer lar...@dakotacarto.comwrote: H Pirmin, On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Pirmin Kalberer pi...@sourcepole.comwrote: Hi Jürgen, Am Mittwoch, 10. Juli 2013, 08.38:38 schrieb Jürgen E. Fischer: On Tue, 09. Jul 2013 at 22:55:18 +0200, Pirmin Kalberer wrote: Toolbars: -Turn off Advanced Digitizing -Move Label to second row Panels: -Turn on Layer order and Browser in a tabbed view with Layers Print composer: -Place all toolbars in one row In case anyone missed it: scripts/mkuidefaults.py produces src/app/ui_defaults.h from the current settings. Didn't know that. Updated the script to support composer UI defaults. Couple of other ideas comments, too: * Currently there are no side toolbars by default. Many apps utilize the left side toolbar for critical tools. To me, such tools in a GIS app are the canvas navigation tools. So whenever I to an initial setup of QGIS, I always put the Map Navigation toolbar on the left. * Similarly, I always place the Plugins toolbar on the right side. There is currently a bug that sets that toolbar to not be shown on a default install (that should be fixed). I would like to hear feedback on those two suggestions for default side toolbars. Following your suggestions (and mine), the default window would look similar to this (on Mac) [0]. +1 for removing Advanced Digitizing toolbar as a default, as all of the functions are available in the Edit menu already. If needed, the user can show that toolbar. Another major layout issue is what the layout looks like after turning on all core plugins [1]. Then, what it looks like when all those plugin toolbars are shown [2]. This needs some work. [0] http://drive.dakotacarto.com/qgis/qgis_default.png [1] http://drive.dakotacarto.com/qgis/qgis_default_core-plugins_no-extra-toolbars.png [2] http://drive.dakotacarto.com/qgis/qgis_default_core-plugins_with-toolbars.png Regards, Larry So updating it should be easy, once it's decides what should be the default. Not sure if the data contains pixel coordinates and if the screen resolution might therefore be an issue... Let's try: https://github.com/qgis/Quantum-GIS/pull/710 Pirmin -- Pirmin Kalberer Sourcepole - Linux Open Source Solutions http://www.sourcepole.com ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Toolbar and Panel defaults
I think on the right is fine. To me that feels better that all the way over on the left. It's a real bugger that we can't make Qt dock the toolbars inside something else, seems you are constrained to QMainWindow. - Nathan On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Larry Shaffer lar...@dakotacarto.comwrote: Hi Nathan, On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Nathan Woodrow madman...@gmail.comwrote: Having the nav toolbar on the side would be ideal if you could dock it on the right side of the layers panel. I'm not a fan of having to go all the way over the layer panel to access the navigation tools. That's a very good point. What about the Navigation toolbar on the right, with the Plugin toolbar filling the empty space at right on the first row of horizontal toolbars? Here's my reasoning. Nav tools are quickly accessible, and when a new user downloads/installs a plugin, there is already space to show it (assuming that plugin loads a tool button into the Plugins toolbar). Then the user can move toolbars to their liking. Any other ideas? [0] http://drive.dakotacarto.com/qgis/qgis_default_nav-tools-right.png Regards, Larry - Nathan On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Larry Shaffer lar...@dakotacarto.comwrote: H Pirmin, On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Pirmin Kalberer pi...@sourcepole.comwrote: Hi Jürgen, Am Mittwoch, 10. Juli 2013, 08.38:38 schrieb Jürgen E. Fischer: On Tue, 09. Jul 2013 at 22:55:18 +0200, Pirmin Kalberer wrote: Toolbars: -Turn off Advanced Digitizing -Move Label to second row Panels: -Turn on Layer order and Browser in a tabbed view with Layers Print composer: -Place all toolbars in one row In case anyone missed it: scripts/mkuidefaults.py produces src/app/ui_defaults.h from the current settings. Didn't know that. Updated the script to support composer UI defaults. Couple of other ideas comments, too: * Currently there are no side toolbars by default. Many apps utilize the left side toolbar for critical tools. To me, such tools in a GIS app are the canvas navigation tools. So whenever I to an initial setup of QGIS, I always put the Map Navigation toolbar on the left. * Similarly, I always place the Plugins toolbar on the right side. There is currently a bug that sets that toolbar to not be shown on a default install (that should be fixed). I would like to hear feedback on those two suggestions for default side toolbars. Following your suggestions (and mine), the default window would look similar to this (on Mac) [0]. +1 for removing Advanced Digitizing toolbar as a default, as all of the functions are available in the Edit menu already. If needed, the user can show that toolbar. Another major layout issue is what the layout looks like after turning on all core plugins [1]. Then, what it looks like when all those plugin toolbars are shown [2]. This needs some work. [0] http://drive.dakotacarto.com/qgis/qgis_default.png [1] http://drive.dakotacarto.com/qgis/qgis_default_core-plugins_no-extra-toolbars.png [2] http://drive.dakotacarto.com/qgis/qgis_default_core-plugins_with-toolbars.png Regards, Larry So updating it should be easy, once it's decides what should be the default. Not sure if the data contains pixel coordinates and if the screen resolution might therefore be an issue... Let's try: https://github.com/qgis/Quantum-GIS/pull/710 Pirmin -- Pirmin Kalberer Sourcepole - Linux Open Source Solutions http://www.sourcepole.com ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Toolbar and Panel defaults
+1 to hide it, someone might find it useful but most users will associate layer order with visibility/rendering Sent from Samsung tabletTim Sutton li...@linfiniti.com wrote:Hi On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 10:55 PM, Pirmin Kalberer pi...@sourcepole.com wrote: Panels: -Turn on Layer order and Browser in a tabbed view with Layers IMHO Layer order is an advanced feature and should be hidden by default - novice users are heavily confused by the fact that the legend order and the render order can be managed separately. Regards Tim -- Pirmin Kalberer Sourcepole - Linux Open Source Solutions http://www.sourcepole.com ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer -- Tim Sutton - QGIS Project Steering Committee Member (Release Manager) == Please do not email me off-list with technical support questions. Using the lists will gain more exposure for your issues and the knowledge surrounding your issue will be shared with all. Irc: timlinux on #qgis at freenode.net ==___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Toolbar and Panel defaults
I've never liked side bar tools but since I will be able to move it I wouldn't be unhappy if that's the default Sent from Samsung tabletLarry Shaffer lar...@dakotacarto.com wrote:H Pirmin, On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Pirmin Kalberer pi...@sourcepole.com wrote: Hi Jürgen, Am Mittwoch, 10. Juli 2013, 08.38:38 schrieb Jürgen E. Fischer: On Tue, 09. Jul 2013 at 22:55:18 +0200, Pirmin Kalberer wrote: Toolbars: -Turn off Advanced Digitizing -Move Label to second row Panels: -Turn on Layer order and Browser in a tabbed view with Layers Print composer: -Place all toolbars in one row In case anyone missed it: scripts/mkuidefaults.py produces src/app/ui_defaults.h from the current settings. Didn't know that. Updated the script to support composer UI defaults. Couple of other ideas comments, too: * Currently there are no side toolbars by default. Many apps utilize the left side toolbar for critical tools. To me, such tools in a GIS app are the canvas navigation tools. So whenever I to an initial setup of QGIS, I always put the Map Navigation toolbar on the left. * Similarly, I always place the Plugins toolbar on the right side. There is currently a bug that sets that toolbar to not be shown on a default install (that should be fixed). I would like to hear feedback on those two suggestions for default side toolbars. Following your suggestions (and mine), the default window would look similar to this (on Mac) [0]. +1 for removing Advanced Digitizing toolbar as a default, as all of the functions are available in the Edit menu already. If needed, the user can show that toolbar. Another major layout issue is what the layout looks like after turning on all core plugins [1]. Then, what it looks like when all those plugin toolbars are shown [2]. This needs some work. [0] http://drive.dakotacarto.com/qgis/qgis_default.png [1] http://drive.dakotacarto.com/qgis/qgis_default_core-plugins_no-extra-toolbars.png [2] http://drive.dakotacarto.com/qgis/qgis_default_core-plugins_with-toolbars.png Regards, Larry So updating it should be easy, once it's decides what should be the default. Not sure if the data contains pixel coordinates and if the screen resolution might therefore be an issue... Let's try: https://github.com/qgis/Quantum-GIS/pull/710 Pirmin -- Pirmin Kalberer Sourcepole - Linux Open Source Solutions http://www.sourcepole.com ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Toolbar and Panel defaults
Could we add the possibility to close toolbars by undocking them and hitting an x in the window I prefer the right for navigation than left Sent from Samsung tabletLarry Shaffer lar...@dakotacarto.com wrote:Hi Nathan, On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Nathan Woodrow madman...@gmail.com wrote: Having the nav toolbar on the side would be ideal if you could dock it on the right side of the layers panel. I'm not a fan of having to go all the way over the layer panel to access the navigation tools. That's a very good point. What about the Navigation toolbar on the right, with the Plugin toolbar filling the empty space at right on the first row of horizontal toolbars? Here's my reasoning. Nav tools are quickly accessible, and when a new user downloads/installs a plugin, there is already space to show it (assuming that plugin loads a tool button into the Plugins toolbar). Then the user can move toolbars to their liking. Any other ideas? [0] http://drive.dakotacarto.com/qgis/qgis_default_nav-tools-right.png Regards, Larry - Nathan On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Larry Shaffer lar...@dakotacarto.com wrote: H Pirmin, On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Pirmin Kalberer pi...@sourcepole.com wrote: Hi Jürgen, Am Mittwoch, 10. Juli 2013, 08.38:38 schrieb Jürgen E. Fischer: On Tue, 09. Jul 2013 at 22:55:18 +0200, Pirmin Kalberer wrote: Toolbars: -Turn off Advanced Digitizing -Move Label to second row Panels: -Turn on Layer order and Browser in a tabbed view with Layers Print composer: -Place all toolbars in one row In case anyone missed it: scripts/mkuidefaults.py produces src/app/ui_defaults.h from the current settings. Didn't know that. Updated the script to support composer UI defaults. Couple of other ideas comments, too: * Currently there are no side toolbars by default. Many apps utilize the left side toolbar for critical tools. To me, such tools in a GIS app are the canvas navigation tools. So whenever I to an initial setup of QGIS, I always put the Map Navigation toolbar on the left. * Similarly, I always place the Plugins toolbar on the right side. There is currently a bug that sets that toolbar to not be shown on a default install (that should be fixed). I would like to hear feedback on those two suggestions for default side toolbars. Following your suggestions (and mine), the default window would look similar to this (on Mac) [0]. +1 for removing Advanced Digitizing toolbar as a default, as all of the functions are available in the Edit menu already. If needed, the user can show that toolbar. Another major layout issue is what the layout looks like after turning on all core plugins [1]. Then, what it looks like when all those plugin toolbars are shown [2]. This needs some work. [0] http://drive.dakotacarto.com/qgis/qgis_default.png [1] http://drive.dakotacarto.com/qgis/qgis_default_core-plugins_no-extra-toolbars.png [2] http://drive.dakotacarto.com/qgis/qgis_default_core-plugins_with-toolbars.png Regards, Larry So updating it should be easy, once it's decides what should be the default. Not sure if the data contains pixel coordinates and if the screen resolution might therefore be an issue... Let's try: https://github.com/qgis/Quantum-GIS/pull/710 Pirmin -- Pirmin Kalberer Sourcepole - Linux Open Source Solutions http://www.sourcepole.com ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Toolbar and Panel defaults
afaik the layer order actually is hiding but the control rendering order checkbox is enabled This is quite confusing for an user. I guess the better is hide and control rendering order disable by default. 2013/7/9 Tim Sutton li...@linfiniti.com Hi On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 10:55 PM, Pirmin Kalberer pi...@sourcepole.comwrote: Panels: -Turn on Layer order and Browser in a tabbed view with Layers IMHO Layer order is an advanced feature and should be hidden by default - novice users are heavily confused by the fact that the legend order and the render order can be managed separately. Regards Tim -- Pirmin Kalberer Sourcepole - Linux Open Source Solutions http://www.sourcepole.com ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer -- Tim Sutton - QGIS Project Steering Committee Member (Release Manager) == Please do not email me off-list with technical support questions. Using the lists will gain more exposure for your issues and the knowledge surrounding your issue will be shared with all. Irc: timlinux on #qgis at freenode.net == ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer -- - Andrea Peri . . . . . . . . . qwerty àèìòù - ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Toolbar and Panel defaults
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Il 10/07/2013 00:23, Andrea Peri ha scritto: the layer order actually is hiding but the control rendering order checkbox is enabled This is quite confusing for an user. I guess the better is hide and control rendering order disable by default. agreed. as for the rest: * Browser on, tabbed with Layers * all Print composer toolbars in one row * no strong opinion about placement of Label As for the Toolbar Advanced Digitizing, I'm unsure about hiding it: newbies could easily miss important tools. It would be good to hide all digitizing tools unless digitizing is on. Thanks for raising this. - -- Paolo Cavallini - Faunalia www.faunalia.eu Full contact details at www.faunalia.eu/pc Nuovi corsi QGIS e PostGIS: http://www.faunalia.it/calendario -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Icedove - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlHc7+kACgkQ/NedwLUzIr4JpwCeJe+ouH8e8O2tGmtQzh+aoWto 5mAAn1eW9yMi8FDDzCNfbwP9mW1UBVwZ =pJZc -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
