Re: A firestorm of protest?

[Erwin Hoffmann]

At 23:46 15.1.2001 +0100, Henning Brauer wrote:
>On Mon, Jan 15, 2001 at 03:18:10PM -0500, Russell Nelson wrote:
>> I'm considering removing the entire patches section from
>> www.qmail.org.
>> 
>> Why?  Because a patch implies that something is wrong, and needs to be
>> fixed.  However, when someone produces a "patch" for smtp-auth, that
>> implies that qmail-smtpd has a problem that the patch fixes.  I'd
>> rather see people steal the necessary parts of Makefile, and Dan's
>> library code, and create a stand-alone "qmail-smtpd-auth" program.
>
>I'd just rename it from patches to "additional functionality" or something
>like that.
>

I guess, thats the correct approach. It would be very helpful for the qmail
community to "organize" the patches - or have them organized. From my point
of view - actually how I organize the mails coming from this mailing list -
one should differentiate between "Add-Ones" (eg. scripts working within
.qmail and the brand new Log-Analyzer in perl) leaving the product
unchanged and "Miscellaneous enhancements" covering the patches against the
code. Both should be organized by feature and/or qmail module.
This would help to keep track of the patches. When I initially created the
SPAMCONTROL patch, I had the same problem like everybody has: Here and
there is  a useful piece of code (=patch) which I integrated into a larger
set. But this is not as trivial as it seems. 

While qmail 1.03 is since years in the field SMTP development is going
further (eg. STARTTLS and SASL) and of cause, everybody is interesting
employing those features. It is necessary to integrate those enhancements
(even though they are not coming from DJB and might be as complex as
qmail-ldap) in order to be competitve. 

In addition, since qmail is prefered by ISPs, there requirements are
different wrt the end user. Therefore, we have today packages like
vpopmail, sqwebmail and others which enhence qmail and it's complexity
significantly. Maybe it would worthwile to consider this as well as an
"organizational" item for qmail.org.

cheers.
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Re: QMTP MX-question

[Vincent Schonau]

D. J. Bernstein writes:

> Johan Almqvist writes:
> > Quoting http://cr.yp.to/proto/mxps.txt
> 
> Don't believe everything you read. :-)
> 
> My original design made QMTP-only mail exchangers easier but made
> QMTP+SMTP mail exchangers harder. This was a bad tradeoff.
> 
> Clients should interpret a QMTP priority as ``try QMTP, then try SMTP.''
> Then a typical SMTP host that adds QMTP support can keep its single MX
> record but change the priority.

If I understand correctly, this is the way Russ has implemented it, and I
think it is an important clarification of mxps.txt. Would you consider
updating that document to reflect this?

Also, since a number of people are now running QMTP *and* MXPS, are you
going to do this for cr.yp.to as well?

Thanks,

Vince.

Re: A firestorm of protest?

[Felix von Leitner]

Thus spake Piotr Kasztelowicz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> > If you want to use bloated, unreliable, immensely fat software with a
> Where I have written, that EACH patch? Only USEFUL patch.
> The world goes forward!

There is no objective measure for the usefulness of a patch.
Thus, there will be endless fruitless discussions that make everyone
feel bad, and in the end either Dan does not include the patch, which
means that it was all for naught, or Dan does include the patch, and
then the discussion will also have been for naught since Dan already
includes patches he likes without external discussions (the pop3 daemon
is based on someone else's code).

Felix

Re: A firestorm of protest?

[Felix von Leitner]

Thus spake Kris Kelley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> > If you want to use bloated, unreliable, immensely fat software with a
> > nice author who will include every patch anyone sends him, switch to
> > Exim.  I mean it!  Please go away and use Exim.  It has all the features
> > anyone could ever want from an MTA, and around 20 million more features.
> Does Exim also come with a nice mailing list that doesn't demand the exile
> of people with dissenting opinions?

Exim is luser friendly.
That's why it is luser software.

Felix

Authenticate for default domain

[qmailu]

Hi,
 
How do I authenticate for my default domain with 
just the username ? ie If I use OE 5.0, I should give only username and not [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I have about 
25 domains , but need to authenticate only for my primary domain this way 
!!
This is a little urgent !!
 
Raghu

Re: Bogus popularity claims for Sendmail

[Gjermund Sorseth]

   Mark Delany write:

   > I would (...) just
   > use the 250 responses from the remote SMTP servers.
   >
   > I wouldn't bother chasing down the MX and then probing it, from the
   > perspective of Sendmail vs qmail vs the-rest, the queue-id responses
   > are sufficiently distinct with a few pattern matches.
   >
   > The best server logs to look at are probably those that are running
   > diverse-interest mailing lists. ISP logs - regardless of whether they
   > are running qmail - are probably fine since we're not counting local
   > deliveries.


Good idea. For fun, I decided to look at the logs from our server for
the last two weeks. The sample size comes to 3,016,454 messages
delived to 62,786 different SMTP servers around the world.

Out of these 62,786 remote SMTP servers, 16,658 are running sendmail (27%)
and 5098 are running qmail (8%).

(The server providing these logs belongs to an ISP and includes a good
 mix of private, commercial, educational and government users. The remote
 servers are mostly active servers at other ISP's, schools or businesses
 I presume, few `idle workstations')

-- 
Gjermund Sorseth

Re: A firestorm of protest?

[Piotr Kasztelowicz]

On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, Felix von Leitner wrote:

> There is no objective measure for the usefulness of a patch.
> Thus, there will be endless fruitless discussions that make everyone
> feel bad ...

Lets so Dan take way of further progress of qmail himself ...:-)

Piotr

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Documentation of qmailanalog

[piyushjain]

Hi there,

  I am searching for the Documentation of qmailanalog from last one
day on net. but unable to find it.Please suggest me
where i can get that or if somebody has with him pl. mail me.

   Thanks,
   Piyush Jain.
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

qmailanalog scripts

[Clemens Hermann]

Hi,

did anyone make the attemt to get the output of qmailanalog in a
webpage. I think of kind of report-page where you get a short monthly
summary for each local/virtual domain (how many messages, how many Megs,
etc.)
If there is nothing like this around, would anyone else be interested in 
such a script or is it just me?

bye

/ch

RE: Authenticate for default domain

[Andrew Richards]

>How do I authenticate for my default domain with just
>the username ? ie If I use OE 5.0, I should give only
>username and not [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have
>about 25 domains , but need to authenticate only for my
>primary domain this way !!
>This is a little urgent !!

Raghu,

You haven't told us *anything* about your qmail setup, so how
you expect us to be telpathic and work out what you've setup,
I don't know. The fact that you're using multiple domains
suggests you might be using, say, vpopmail or VMailMgr,
but that's speculation.

Possible answer to your question: Run your default domain
separately (outside of virtualdomains etc; separate POP3 service).

There is a mailing list for vpopmail which may be more
appropriate.

Andrew.

qmail Digest 16 Jan 2001 11:00:01 -0000 Issue 1246

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qmail Digest 16 Jan 2001 11:00:01 - Issue 1246

Topics (messages 55185 through 55274):

Authentication with qmail from the external network
55185 by: maria.c.s.terra.es

Hi. inetd problems
55186 by: Gonçalo Gomes
55188 by: Mark Delany
55190 by: Piotr Kasztelowicz

Re: Installing mini-qmail seems to require qmail ids contrary to documentation
55187 by: Mark Delany
55189 by: Mark Delany

Re: Bogus popularity claims for Sendmail
55191 by: Mark Delany
55270 by: Gjermund Sorseth

Re: qmail-ldap
55192 by: Jose AP Celestino

need a howto, something i can follow step by step and get qmail installed..
55193 by: Gonçalo Gomes
55194 by: Jose AP Celestino
55209 by: Alexander Jernejcic

Tcpserver
55195 by: Piotr Kasztelowicz
55201 by: Martin Randall
55202 by: joshua stein
55203 by: James Raftery
55204 by: Martin Randall
55205 by: Martin Randall
55206 by: James Raftery
55208 by: Martin Randall
55210 by: Charles Cazabon
55241 by: Martin Randall
55243 by: Kris Kelley
55250 by: Martin Randall

Re: >65535 users on linux
55196 by: Jose AP Celestino

Re: Addon
55197 by: Tim Hunter
55198 by: Steve Crowder

stripping binaries
55199 by: Matthew Patterson
55200 by: joshua stein

IsoQlog  1.4 released (Qmail Log Analyser)
55207 by: Ismail YENIGUL

Life With Qmail - PW?
55211 by: Keith Smith
55213 by: Alexander Jernejcic

Re: QMTP MX-question
55212 by: Peter van Dijk
55261 by: D. J. Bernstein
55266 by: Vincent Schonau

delays on telnet localhost 25
55214 by: Paulo Correia
55216 by: Charles Cazabon

A firestorm of protest?
55215 by: Russell Nelson
55217 by: Greg Cope
55218 by: David Dyer-Bennet
55219 by: Charles Cazabon
55221 by: Russell Nelson
55224 by: Piotr Kasztelowicz
55225 by: Kris Kelley
55226 by: Felix von Leitner
55227 by: Felix von Leitner
55228 by: Scott D. Yelich
55229 by: Kris Kelley
55230 by: David Dyer-Bennet
55231 by: David Dyer-Bennet
55232 by: David Dyer-Bennet
55233 by: Chris Garrigues
55234 by: Scott Gifford
55235 by: Greg Owen
55236 by: Jerry Lynde
55237 by: Russell Nelson
55239 by: Greg Cope
55240 by: Kris Kelley
55242 by: Scott Gifford
55245 by: Andrew Richards
55247 by: Henning Brauer
55252 by: Martin Randall
55255 by: Piotr Kasztelowicz
55256 by: Piotr Kasztelowicz
55257 by: Scott D. Yelich
55265 by: Erwin Hoffmann
55267 by: Felix von Leitner
55268 by: Felix von Leitner
55271 by: Piotr Kasztelowicz

Multilog
55220 by: Alex Kramarov
55223 by: tc lewis

vmailmgr- SMTP-POP3-qMail ACK!
55222 by: Sean Coyle
55248 by: Sean Coyle

Re: Possible problem with qmail-qmtpc patch
55238 by: Scott Gifford
55244 by: Ian Lance Taylor
55246 by: David Dyer-Bennet
55254 by: Russell Nelson
55264 by: Scott Gifford

qmail help quick!
55249 by: Dan Phoenix

Life With Qmail
55251 by: Keith Smith

smtp to 371.net
55253 by: Rick Lu

TWO INSTANCES OF QMAIL
55258 by: qmailu
55259 by: qmailu
55262 by: Grant
55263 by: Marlon_Abao.support.trendmicro.com

Authenticate for Default Domain
55260 by: qmailu
55269 by: qmailu
55274 by: Andrew Richards

Documentation of qmailanalog
55272 by: piyushjain.itil.com

qmailanalog scripts
55273 by: Clemens Hermann

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Hi everybody!

I have a doubt when trying to configure qmail. I would like to allow my
users (of my network) to send emails from the external network but
through my server. I don't know how to establish the passwords, because
I am not allowing the relay in my server, except for my internal network

and for my domain. I know that the passworks are managed by the
checkpassword file for POP, but my problem now is with SMTP. Do you know

how to establish the passwords in the case the user wants to send emails

from outside my local network?

Thanks a lot.









Hi
i'm having inetd problems and i cant figure out 
why
 
i got this line on inetd.conf
smtp stream tcp nowait qmail-smtpd 
/var/qmail/bin/tcp-env tcp-env/var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd
 
when i telnet to host in port 25 it opens 
connection and closes..
 
any ideas?
 
Thanks in advance
Gonçalo Gomes

RE: Authenticate for default domain

[Marlon_Abao]

are you talking about SMTP-AUTH or POP3 auth?
 
-marlon

  -Original Message-From: qmailu 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 5:46 
  PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Authenticate for 
  default domain
  
  Hi,
   
  How do I authenticate for my default domain with 
  just the username ? ie If I use OE 5.0, I should give only username and not [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I have 
  about 25 domains , but need to authenticate only for my primary domain this 
  way !!
  This is a little urgent !!
   
  Raghu

Re: Bogus popularity claims for Sendmail

[Gjermund Sorseth]

  > Out of these 62,786 remote SMTP servers, 16,658 are running sendmail (27%)
  > and 5098 are running qmail (8%).


Perhaps it is also interesting to look at how many of the messages
were delivered to what type of server.

Out of the 3,016,454 messages in the sample, 484,010 were delivered
to servers running sendmail (16%) and 313,195 to servers running
qmail (11%).

This shifts the numbers in favor of qmail, which suggests that
large sites prefer to run qmail rather than sendmail.

-- 
Gjermund Sorseth

Re: QMTP MX-question

[Peter van Dijk]

On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 05:16:45AM -, D. J. Bernstein wrote:
> Johan Almqvist writes:
> > Quoting http://cr.yp.to/proto/mxps.txt
> 
> Don't believe everything you read. :-)
> 
> My original design made QMTP-only mail exchangers easier but made
> QMTP+SMTP mail exchangers harder. This was a bad tradeoff.
> 
> Clients should interpret a QMTP priority as ``try QMTP, then try SMTP.''

Which is my interpretation of part of the spec, but another part
contradicts this.

> Then a typical SMTP host that adds QMTP support can keep its single MX
> record but change the priority.

Could you please revise the spec?

Greetz, Peter.

Re: qmail list reply-to

[funky gao]

> From:  "Brett Randall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date:  Mon, 9 Oct 2000 07:00:06 +1000
>
> > Then the sender should ask for a Cc: - remember kids, it isn't called
> > Courtesy Copy for nothing.
> 
> I thought it was Carbon Copy?

Considering that the majority of Internet users these days are so young that 
the have never seen carbon paper, that term seems to be as obsolete as 
"dialing" a telephone.

At Stan Freburg said, "That went out with button shoes!"

Chris

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Re: Volunteers for a multilog patch?

[funky gao]

Last week there was much discussion (some of it even on topic :) about
making multilog rotate files on receipt of a signal.

Here's my very simple patch to make multilog rotate its current file
on receipt of SIGHUP. I have tested it under RedHat Linux 6.2 ONLY.
However, as I have used Dan's coding style (all 2 lines of it) it
should work under any systems on which multilog currently works.

My tests were fairly minimal - I hammered multilog as fast as I could
and sent it a SIGHUP. I then checked to see if it lost any data
between rotations - it didn't.

It obviously needs field testing, but I think it will allow us to
rotate based on time. All we need is a cron job to send the SIGHUP at
the appropriate time.

If you use this, please let me know how it goes. If I get positive
feedback (or no feedback at all) I'll release it in the same manner as
my tai64nunix package - ie a stripped down daemontools with only enough
to build the new multilog. This should comply with Dan's licensing
rules.

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Re: Running Multiple Copies of Qmail on the same server...

[funky gao]

On Tue, Oct 10, 2000 at 05:18:30PM -0700, James Stevens wrote:
> Can someone point me to a web page that has some explanation of setting up
> concurrent running qmails on the same machine and what edits I need to make
> to avoid conflicks..

Just compile them using different dirs, and install them into those same
different dirs.
Also, be careful when launching qmail-smtpd. With tcpserver, the "IP"
parameter can NOT be 0 (every interface, which is the most common setting).
Each tcpserver must be bound to it's own network interface, (assuming you're
always using the same port).

RC

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 Emanuel.exe

Re: concurrencyremote

[funky gao]

On Tue, Oct 10, 2000 at 05:36:50PM -0400, Doug Schmidt wrote:
> 
> I would like to increase qmail's concurrencyremote from the default 20 to
> 40. When I create:
> /var/qmail/control/concurrencyremote 
> and put a value of 40 in the file,
> I restart qmail and get the error:
> Oct 10 16:53:14 server qmail: 971211194.211356 alert: cannot start: unable
> to read controls
> 
> Any help on this would be great.

Check permissions on /var/qmail/control and all files therein.

 Emanuel.exe

Incomming message filter

[funky gao]

hi everyone:

  I have linux and qmail installed( Sorry, I am a chinese people and poor in English 
),I want to make my server can let user configure their mailbox to reject certain 
messages by MAIL-FROM,but I don't know how to do.Please help me.

Thanks.

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Re: VMailMGR & hostname based access

[funky gao]

This question belongs on the vmailmgr mailing list.

On Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 02:14:50PM -, Chris Cioffi wrote:
> I'm digging into virtual domains and I'm having a problem with 
> logging into my virtual domain.  
> In /var/qmail/control/virtualdomains I have a line that looks like 
> this:
> virtdom.net:virtdom.net
> 
> virtdom.net is a valid unix user with home 
> directory /home/virtdom.net

Please don't hide the details from us.  It only makes our job harder.

> I can log into my account (user) with this 'virtdom.net-user' but 
> not with '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' or 'user:virtdom.net'.  
> My /etc/vmailmgr/separators contains '@:%'
> 
> Is there a setting required to permit hostname based access?

Nope, unless you mean IP-based virtual domains.

> I've 
> looked through the docs for vmailmgr and it seems to assume 
> hostbased access just kinda works.

It does.
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 Emanuel.exe

Re: Logging with checkvpw and qmail-pop3d problems?

[funky gao]

On Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 09:33:57AM -0600, John Gonzalez/netMDC admin wrote:
> Does anybody know what variable i would need to get checkvpw to log
> properly with qmail-pop3d?

This was discussed recently in the vmailmgr mailing list.  Put a script
containing the following into /etc/vmailmgr/checkvpw-postsetuid, and
make it executable:
#!/bin/sh
echo "Login OK: $VUSER $MAILDIR $USER $HOME"
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 Emanuel.exe

Re: [OT] iso-8859-1 charset problems

[funky gao]

> From:  Martin Jespersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date:  Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:00:41 +0200
>
> Hi all
> 
> i have written an sms forward filter in perl that allows me to trigger an s
> ms message to me if a
> mail matches my criteria.
> 
> i then send an sms including the sender of the mail and the subject line.
> 
> Now my problem is this:
> 
> I live in denmark and thus it happens pretty often that a subject line incl
> udes non-standard ascii
> characters.
> 
> subject lines with non-standard ascci characters are iso-8859-1 encoded, ex
> ample follows:
> 
> =?iso-8859-1?Q?N=E5_min_skat_-_jeg_g=E5r_til_afdelingsm=F8de_i?= 
> =?iso-8859-1?Q?_Bredgade_nu_-_jeg_ringer_senere=2E_Kys_til_dig_fra_mig?= 
> =?iso-8859-1?Q?_=2AS=2A?=
> 
> this subject actually reads:
> 
> Nå min skat - jeg går til afdelingsmøde iBredgade nu - jeg ringer senere. Kys 
> til dig fra mig*S*
> 
> (if this looks weird don't worry -it's danish :)
> 
> ofcourse this looks pretty silly in an sms message så what i would like is a
>  way to convert this
> back to ascii

I assume you mean you want to convert it back to iso-58859-1.

I did this in tcl a while back.  It's actually fairly simple, ?charset?Q?text? 
means that 'text' is encoded into ascii using quoted printable.  quoted 
printable basically just says that '=dd' should be replaced with the code in 
hex.

I think the actual conversion is a one liner in perl...something along the 
lines of 's/=(..)/chr(hex($1))/eg'  (Note this is untested.)

Chris

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Re: A bug or am I being daft?

[funky gao]

> From:  "Austad, Jay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date:  Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:15:03 -0500
>
> Doesn't the case change violate RFC821 or 822?  I seem to remember reading
> that case in the user portion of the email address should never be changed
> because the accounts "Bob" and "bob" are two completely different accounts
> on a unix machine.

The rfc says not to change it on mail that a host is relaying, but it leaves 
it up the the host to do what's appropriate for local addresses.  It's really 
the only reasonable thing they could have specified in a world where some 
systems have mixed case and some don't.

Whether or not qmail should fold addresses into lower case is debatable, but 
the RFC doesn't give any guidance since it was written to be able to work on 
systems where folding case is a requirement.

Chris

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Re: (OT) Vmailmgr and Vpopmail

[funky gao]

On Sun, Oct 15, 2000 at 06:50:59PM +0700, Joomy wrote:
> Hi all,
> sorry about this OT, but I can't find any good information about
> vmailmgr/vpopmail.
> If anyone have a nice url , please tell me. (not vmailmgr/vpopmail website)
> 
> I have some (stupid) question about vmailmgr and vpopmail

Some answers just about vmailmgr.

> 1. Can I use more then 8 chars password with both system ? like md5 in
> shadow password ? or I have to user ldap authentication ?

AFAIK, vmailmgr supports MD5 passwords, so probably passwords which 
are longer than 8 chars.

> 2. Can I use .qmail (for forwarding purpose) in each user dir ? not the
> .qmail-USER in domain dir.

The .qmail, no, but you cann add forwarders to vmailmgr accounts with
the vchforwarders command.

> 3. Which file/dir will be count when I use quota support in each user dir ?

Don't really understand this question... There are per-system user quota,
per mail-user quota, etc...

> and the last one, about file system.
> What is the differrent if
> 1. I store 50,000 user mail directory in the same directory. (can I do this
> ? are there any limitation about file sytem ?)

should be ok.

> 2. I store 50,000 user mail directory by using the vpopmail (create sub-dir
> when dir reach 100 dirs or something like that)

well, that's the vpopmail or vmailmgr which will do that : you don't
have to create the directory by yourself... 


Good luck :)
Olivier

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Re: 2 QUESTIONS

[funky gao]

On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 09:18:58AM +0200, Linux wrote:
> 2)I'm managing a mail server with qmail. I have about 200 users and 50
> virtual domains, and all my configuration works correctly.
> I have created about 180 real users (passwd and shadow files) in my system
> for managing virtual domains accounts.
> I know that many servers (with qmail) over the internet, host a lot of
> virtual users (1), but i can't think they created 9000 real users!!
> Someone can tell me if there was a method to avoid the creation of real account
> for managing virtual users?

Yes: if you use vmailmgr , you will need only
one real account per domain, and with vpopmail (check qmail.orG), only
one account. Both have own mailing lists.

Regards,
Olivier
-- 
_
 Olivier Mueller - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - PGPkeyID: 0E84D2EA - Switzerland


 Emanuel.exe

Re: [vmailmgr] Some question

[funky gao]

On Sun, Oct 15, 2000 at 09:46:24PM +0200, Olivier M. wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 15, 2000 at 06:50:59PM +0700, Joomy wrote:
> > 1. Can I use more then 8 chars password with both system ? like md5 in
> > shadow password ? or I have to user ldap authentication ?
> AFAIK, vmailmgr supports MD5 passwords, so probably passwords which
> are longer than 8 chars. 

Yes.  vmailmgr can authenticate against both standard crypt and MD5
passwords, and writes out MD5 passwords by default.  With MD5 passwords,
there is no limit on pass phrase length.

> > 3. Which file/dir will be count when I use quota support in each user dir ?
> the entire maildir ? or just ./new and ./cur ?
> good question :)  the answer would also interest me.

Right now, it only counts new and cur.  Support for the entire maildir
is on the TODO.

> > and the last one, about file system.
> > What is the differrent if
> > 1. I store 50,000 user mail directory in the same directory. (can I do this
> > ? are there any limitation about file sytem ?)
> should be ok.

Storing 50K users in one directory is possible but inadvisable.
Managing a CDB with 50K users could be time consuming (each modification
requires rewriting the CDB).  vmailmgr has support for GDBM (and soon
*DBM) password tables, which reduces this problem.

> > 2. I store 50,000 user mail directory by using the vpopmail (create sub-dir
> > when dir reach 100 dirs or something like that)
> well, that's the vpopmail or vmailmgr which will do that : you don't
> have to create the directory by yourself...

vmailmgr has a directory hashing feature that can evenly distribute the
directories into multiple other directories, if enabled before the
accounts are created.
-- 
Bruce Guenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>   http://em.ca/~bruceg/

 Emanuel.exe

Re: qmail list reply-to

[funky gao]

> From:  "Brett Randall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date:  Mon, 9 Oct 2000 07:00:06 +1000
>
> > Then the sender should ask for a Cc: - remember kids, it isn't called
> > Courtesy Copy for nothing.
> 
> I thought it was Carbon Copy?

Considering that the majority of Internet users these days are so young that 
the have never seen carbon paper, that term seems to be as obsolete as 
"dialing" a telephone.

At Stan Freburg said, "That went out with button shoes!"

Chris

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  but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft.



 Emanuel.exe

Re: qmail list reply-to

[funky gao]

> From:  "Brett Randall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date:  Mon, 9 Oct 2000 07:00:06 +1000
>
> > Then the sender should ask for a Cc: - remember kids, it isn't called
> > Courtesy Copy for nothing.
> 
> I thought it was Carbon Copy?

Considering that the majority of Internet users these days are so young that 
the have never seen carbon paper, that term seems to be as obsolete as 
"dialing" a telephone.

At Stan Freburg said, "That went out with button shoes!"

Chris

-- 
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virCIO  http://www.virCIO.Com
4314 Avenue C   
Austin, TX  78751-3709  +1 512 374 0500

  My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination.  For an
  explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html 

Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft,
  but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft.



 Emanuel.exe

virus in list

[Keith, Yeung Wai Kin]

don't open attachment emanuel.exe from "funky gao"

hmmm

[Deslions Nicolas]

Emanuel.exe is not needed thx

-Message d'origine-
De?: funky gao [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Envoy¨¦?: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 12:41
¨¤?: Doug Schmidt
Cc?: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Objet?: Re: concurrencyremote


On Tue, Oct 10, 2000 at 05:36:50PM -0400, Doug Schmidt wrote:
> 
> I would like to increase qmail's concurrencyremote from the default 20 to
> 40. When I create:
> /var/qmail/control/concurrencyremote 
> and put a value of 40 in the file,
> I restart qmail and get the error:
> Oct 10 16:53:14 server qmail: 971211194.211356 alert: cannot start: unable
> to read controls
> 
> Any help on this would be great.

Check permissions on /var/qmail/control and all files therein.

Re: Possible problem with qmail-qmtpc patch

[Johan Almqvist]

* Ian Lance Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010115 23:53]:
> I don't see it.  Russ's patch looks like this (at least, in the
> version I downloaded):
> +if (qmtp_priority(ip.ix[i].pref)) {
> +  if (timeoutconn(smtpfd,&ip.ix[i].ip,(unsigned int) qmtp_port,timeoutconnect) 
>== 0) {
> + tcpto_err(&ip.ix[i].ip,0);
> + partner = ip.ix[i].ip;
> + qmtp(); /* does not return */
> +  }
> +}
> +if (timeoutconn(smtpfd,&ip.ix[i].ip,(unsigned int) smtp_port,timeoutconnect) == 
>0) {
> In other words, if the MX priority indicates QMTP, try to make a QMTP
> connection.  If that connection fails--if it times out, or if the
> remote system does not accept the connect request--timeoutconn will
> return -1 and qmail-remote will go on to try to make an SMTP
> connection.

timeoutconn seems to only return -1 when the attemt times out, NOT if the
remote system doesn't accept the connection attempt. (That's what my
experiments have shown, at least... I'd like very much for this to be
seconded by others before I have another go at this!)

-Johan
-- 
Johan Almqvist
http://www.almqvist.net/johan/qmail/

 PGP signature

Why?

[Rod... Whitworth]

In the last minute I have received 5 emails from this 
list purporting to be from funky gao.

All have an attachment called Emanuel.exe.

4 are messages from regular contributors who are not 
(apparently) Chinese. These appear to be from other than 
their normal origins.

What is going on? I am certainly not executing the 
attached exe (and it probably would not run on either my 
OS/22 box I'm on now nor the Linux or OBSD ones) but I'm 
mightily suspicious.

In a way this is a test to see if the list is hijacked.

In the beginning was The Word
and The Word was Content-type: text/plain
The Word of Rod.

Viruses on the list

[Ertan Payci]

Hello everybody.

Our virus scanner detected a couple of mails that contain a virus.
The message looks like this:

Scanning file /var/tmp/qmail-local2076/unpacked/mm.eyj8Cr
Scanning file /var/tmp/qmail-local2076/unpacked/Emanuel.exe
Found the W32/Navidad.e@M trojan !!! 

Please take care.

Best regards.


--
  Ertan Payci   Seruba GmbH
 Notkestrasse 1322607 Hamburg
FON: 0049 40 41360-212   FAX: 0049 40 41360-100
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Please stop sending me your virus infected files!

[OK 2 NET - André Paulsberg]

Even though the message is in norwegian, you will recognize that it's
a QMAILSCANNER virus warning, and I've gotten 6 more last hour.

Please disinfect your computer and / or temporarly stop sending mail.


MVH André PaulsbergIDG New Media Support

Informasjon fra IDG New Media - http://www.newmedia.no

Viktig: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


[Denne meldingen ble ikke sendt til avsenders adresse, da det ser ut til
at dette er fra en meldingsliste eller annen automatisert e-post melding]

Et Virus ble funnet i en e-post sendt til deg.

E-post skanneren avbrøt og stoppet hele meldingen før den nådde deg.

Det er rapportert at Virus er av typen:

virus TROJ_NAVIDAD.E

Ta kontakt med ditt IT personell vedrørende spørsmål for gjeldende regler.

E-posten som ble sendt til deg, hadde følgende adresser:

MAIL FROM: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RCPT TO:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

... og med følgende meldingshode:

From:"funky gao" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:  "Martin Jespersen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Qmail mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [OT] iso-8859-1 charset problems
Message-ID: <00cd01c0681e$b37264a0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:Tue, 16 Jan 2001 19:40:55 +0800 (CST)



Den orginale meldingen er tatt vare på i:

  mailscan2:/var/spool/qmailscan/quarantine

hvor System Anti-Virus Administrator videre kan diagnostisere den.

E-post skanneren rapporterte følgende når meldingen ble skannet:

---

---iscan results ---
Virus Scanner v3.1, VSAPI v5.170-0617
Trend Micro Inc. 1996,1997
Pattern version 832
Pattern number 25093
Configuration: -a -r -nl -c1 -c2 -u -s
Directory /var/spool/qmailscan/mailscan297964821727269
/var/spool/qmailscan/mailscan297964821727269/979648217.27271-0.mailscan2
/var/spool/qmailscan/mailscan297964821727269/Emanuel.exe
*** Found virus TROJ_NAVIDAD.E in file 
/var/spool/qmailscan/mailscan297964821727269/Emanuel.exe

==
Directory:
Searched : 1
File:
Searched : 2
Scan : 2
Infected : 1
Infected : 1(Include files been compressed)
Time:
Start : 1/16/101 13:30:17
Stop : 1/16/101 13:30:17
Used : 00:00

---

RE: 2 QUESTIONS

[Hubbard, David]

Oliver, all of your emails are being sent with
a virus infected executable attached, Emanuel.exe,
you may want to have a look at your machine before
sending more emails.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: funky gao [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 6:42 AM
To: Linux
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 2 QUESTIONS


On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 09:18:58AM +0200, Linux wrote:
> 2)I'm managing a mail server with qmail. I have about 200 users and 50
> virtual domains, and all my configuration works correctly.
> I have created about 180 real users (passwd and shadow files) in my system
> for managing virtual domains accounts.
> I know that many servers (with qmail) over the internet, host a lot of
> virtual users (1), but i can't think they created 9000 real users!!
> Someone can tell me if there was a method to avoid the creation of real
account
> for managing virtual users?

Yes: if you use vmailmgr , you will need only
one real account per domain, and with vpopmail (check qmail.orG), only
one account. Both have own mailing lists.

Regards,
Olivier
-- 
_
 Olivier Mueller - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - PGPkeyID: 0E84D2EA - Switzerland

Virus-ridden emails from 'funky gao'?

[Hubbard, David]

Is everyone else receiving a bunch of emails
from 'funky gao'?  Can someone remove this
[EMAIL PROTECTED] from the list?  I've
received quite a few messages from him this
morning, all containing the file Emanuel.exe
with a virus.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: funky gao [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 6:42 AM
To: Brett Randall
Cc: Robin S. Socha; qmail
Subject: Re: qmail list reply-to 


> From:  "Brett Randall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date:  Mon, 9 Oct 2000 07:00:06 +1000
>
> > Then the sender should ask for a Cc: - remember kids, it isn't called
> > Courtesy Copy for nothing.
> 
> I thought it was Carbon Copy?

Considering that the majority of Internet users these days are so young that

the have never seen carbon paper, that term seems to be as obsolete as 
"dialing" a telephone.

At Stan Freburg said, "That went out with button shoes!"

Chris

-- 
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virCIO  http://www.virCIO.Com
4314 Avenue C   
Austin, TX  78751-3709  +1 512 374 0500

  My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination.  For an
  explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html 

Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft,
  but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft.

Re: qmail list reply-to

[Dean Mumby]

*This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro*
Please check your system I have recieved this attachment "Emanuel.exe" from
your addres six times It contains the "win32.Navidad.b" virus
thanks
- Original Message -
From: "funky gao" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Brett Randall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Robin S. Socha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "qmail" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: qmail list reply-to


> From:  "Brett Randall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date:  Mon, 9 Oct 2000 07:00:06 +1000
>
> > Then the sender should ask for a Cc: - remember kids, it isn't called
> > Courtesy Copy for nothing.
>
> I thought it was Carbon Copy?

Considering that the majority of Internet users these days are so young that
the have never seen carbon paper, that term seems to be as obsolete as
"dialing" a telephone.

At Stan Freburg said, "That went out with button shoes!"

Chris

--
Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/
virCIO  http://www.virCIO.Com
4314 Avenue C
Austin, TX  78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500

  My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination.  For an
  explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html

Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft,
  but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft.

Re: Incomming message filter

[keng heng]

your outlook has been afffected by W32.Navidad.16896... please take care!!

Fw: AVP found infected object

[Michail A.Baikov]

- Original Message -
From: 
To: 
Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 4:23 PM
Subject: AVP found infected object


> /var/tmp/checkmail8395/receivedmail/[From:  "funky gao"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]:\Emanuel.exe infected: I-Worm.Navidad.b2

qmail smtp daemon takes long to display banner

[Gonçalo Gomes]

Hi,

my installed qmail server takes long to display its banner, i dont know why,
i've followed lifewithqmail step by step
and cant figure out what is the problem!

Best Regards
Gonçalo Gomes.

Re: TWO INSTANCES OF QMAIL

[Rob Hines Jr.]

I can think of some very good reasons to run a second instance of SMTP, for instance, 
providing roaming mail service to a large userbase who dialup through earthlink.
Earthlink blocks any other SMTP than their own when their users dial up, so with a 
second SMTP server on another port, you effectively can bypass that problem.

I run my SMTP through supervise, so all I had to do was go into 
/var/qmail/supervise/qmail-smtpd, and edit the run script. In the run script, just 
copy your whole command
line in after the first instance, and change the port. Restart your mail, and you're 
all set (if you want to use a named port, you have to add the name in /etc/services,
otherwise you'll use a number).

Nothing to it.

Rob

Grant wrote:

> In my opinion you shouldn't be running two instances of qmail on the same
> machine and nor should you ever change the default mail port which is 25.
>
> On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, qmailu wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > How do I run two instances of qmail on the same machine - the first one listening 
>on port 25 (default smtp port) and the second on some other port, for eg. say 1099.
> > The two instances need to have two different control files - and should not 
>interfere with each others existance.
> >
> > Raghu
> >

--
Rob Hines Jr.
System Administrator

Re: virus in list

[Jose AP Celestino]

On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 08:03:14PM +0800, Keith, Yeung Wai Kin wrote:
> don't open attachment emanuel.exe from "funky gao"

Why should I?

wine emanuel.exe ?

Regards.

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Administração de Sistemas / Operações || http://www.sapo.pt
---
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Windows.

VIRUS IN LAST 28 MESSAGES FROM FUNKY GAO ON LIST

[Robert Mudryk]

yea... so far 28 messages have posted back with the virus to the list
that have contracted W32/Navidad.e@M  in the past 2 1/2 hours...

From:"funky gao" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Ertan Payci wrote:

> Hello everybody.
>
> Our virus scanner detected a couple of mails that contain a virus.
> The message looks like this:
>
> Scanning file /var/tmp/qmail-local2076/unpacked/mm.eyj8Cr
> Scanning file /var/tmp/qmail-local2076/unpacked/Emanuel.exe
> Found the W32/Navidad.e@M trojan !!!
>
> Please take care.
>
> Best regards.
>
> --
>   Ertan Payci   Seruba GmbH
>  Notkestrasse 1322607 Hamburg
> FON: 0049 40 41360-212   FAX: 0049 40 41360-100
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Mail with content qmailscan - infected -

[Ruprecht Helms]

Hi,

this mail is important for all mail-users that mail under Windows .
A mail of the content qmailscan has included an attachment
Emanual.exe (or could)

This attachment is containing a new macrovirus, not cleanable with the 
newest Mc Affee (using sdat4115).

Regards,
Ruprecht

---
INTERNOLIX   Standards for eBusiness


INTERNOLIX AG
Ruprecht Helms
System-Engineer

http://www.internolix.com
mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Weiherstr. 20Tel: +49-[0]7533-9945-71
78465 Konstanz   Fax: +49-[0]7533-9945-79

Re: tcpserver

[Charles Cazabon]

Martin Randall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> maildirmake /etc/skel/Maildir (even from within /cvar/qmail/bin) failed and
> in the end I had to cd /etc/skel and do   /var/qmail/bin/maildirmake
> Maildir
[...] 
> I take it a .qmail file is also required in /etc/skel.

As noted by others, no.  Provided your default delivery instruction is
"./Maildir/", no .qmail files are required for your users if they all posess
a Maildir of that path/name.

Charles
-- 
---
Charles Cazabon<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
GPL'ed software available at:  http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/
Any opinions expressed are just that -- my opinions.
---

Re: smtp to 371.net

[Charles Cazabon]

Rick Lu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> My mail server is qmail and it plays well. But I can not send any mail to
> 371.net which has three mx server and one smtp server.
> mx2.371.net
> mx3.371.net
> mx4.371.net
> smtp.371.net
> 
> on its website, I got to know that smtp.371.net is recommended. but I can not
> connect to this server by telneting its 25 port. Can anyone give me a hand?
> Or is there any other method by which mail servers can communicate with each
> other? 

Is the document on its website intended for the ISP's customers?  Probably the
mx* hosts are intended to be the MX for the domain, and "smtp.371.net" is there
as a smart relay for its customers only, and they have port 25 firewalled off
from the rest of the net.

Charles
-- 
---
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GPL'ed software available at:  http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/
Any opinions expressed are just that -- my opinions.
---

Re: qmail list reply-to

[IT Andrew Bold]

On Tuesday 16 January 2001 13:04, you wrote:
> *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro*
> Please check your system I have recieved this attachment "Emanuel.exe" from
> your addres six times It contains the "win32.Navidad.b" virus
> thanks

I was just about to send the same warning when your mail arrived via the 
list.  It's a good job we all use "mutt" and *nix OSes isn't it? ;^)

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Re: qmail smtp daemon takes long to display banner

[Charles Cazabon]

Gonçalo Gomes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> my installed qmail server takes long to display its banner, i dont know why,
> i've followed lifewithqmail step by step
> and cant figure out what is the problem!

This is in the FAQs.  Read the man page for tcpserver, and pay attention to
the section on data-gathering options.

Charles
-- 
---
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Any opinions expressed are just that -- my opinions.
---

Re: Authenticate for default domain

[qmailu]

Hi,

Sorry about that !! My setup -

I have test.com as my hostname with MX pointing to my IP address. I also
have added testmail1.com, testmail2.com testmail25.com as my virtual
domains with their MX pointing to the same IP. Now I need my users in
testmail1.com to give only username and not [EMAIL PROTECTED]
to authenticate to retrieve their mails. So how do I setup testmail1.com as
the default domain ?

Raghu
- Original Message -
From: Andrew Richards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 'qmailu' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 4:33 PM
Subject: RE: Authenticate for default domain


> >How do I authenticate for my default domain with just
> >the username ? ie If I use OE 5.0, I should give only
> >username and not [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have
> >about 25 domains , but need to authenticate only for my
> >primary domain this way !!
> >This is a little urgent !!
>
> Raghu,
>
> You haven't told us *anything* about your qmail setup, so how
> you expect us to be telpathic and work out what you've setup,
> I don't know. The fact that you're using multiple domains
> suggests you might be using, say, vpopmail or VMailMgr,
> but that's speculation.
>
> Possible answer to your question: Run your default domain
> separately (outside of virtualdomains etc; separate POP3 service).
>
> There is a mailing list for vpopmail which may be more
> appropriate.
>
> Andrew.

Re: Authenticate for default domain

[qmailu]

Hi,

Sorry about that !! My setup -

I have test.com as my hostname with MX pointing to my IP address. I also
have added testmail1.com, testmail2.com testmail25.com as my virtual
domains with their MX pointing to the same IP. Now I need my users in
testmail1.com to give only username and not [EMAIL PROTECTED]
to authenticate to retrieve their mails. So how do I setup testmail1.com as
the default domain ?

Raghu

- Original Message - 
From: Andrew Richards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 'qmailu' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 4:33 PM
Subject: RE: Authenticate for default domain


> >How do I authenticate for my default domain with just
> >the username ? ie If I use OE 5.0, I should give only
> >username and not [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have
> >about 25 domains , but need to authenticate only for my
> >primary domain this way !!
> >This is a little urgent !!
> 
> Raghu,
> 
> You haven't told us *anything* about your qmail setup, so how
> you expect us to be telpathic and work out what you've setup,
> I don't know. The fact that you're using multiple domains
> suggests you might be using, say, vpopmail or VMailMgr,
> but that's speculation.
> 
> Possible answer to your question: Run your default domain
> separately (outside of virtualdomains etc; separate POP3 service).
> 
> There is a mailing list for vpopmail which may be more
> appropriate.
> 
> Andrew.

ENOUGH WITH THE FRIGGIN VIRII WARNINGS!

[Brett Randall]

-- 
  B r e t t  R a n d a l l
   http://xbox.ipsware.com/
brett  _ @ _  ipsware.com

Re: looking for mua

[Paul Jarc]

"Robin S. Socha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> mutt is pretty nifty. Another good choice would be Gnus http://www.gnus.org/
> which also supports Maildir natively if you use nnmaildir.

Since Google doesn't find it, I'll say that nnmaildir lives at
http://multivac.cwru.edu/nnmaildir/>

> Otherwise, Maildir is available as a regular mail backend.

Which is to say: the other backends can read incoming mail from a
maildir, but they store it in some other format.  AFAIK, nnmaildir is
the only (existing) way to make Gnus store mail in a maildir.


paul

RE: A firestorm of protest?

[Laurence Brockman]

I'm going to jump into the discussion here and ask why we don't do something
like perl has done with cpan? They don't call them patches, or upgrades, or
anything else. They call them Modules and have a central repository that
users can go and search from. I think this would be ideal for qmail.org
site... 

Just my $0.02

Laurence

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-Original Message-
From: Erwin Hoffmann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 1:39 AM
To: Henning Brauer; qmail-list
Subject: Re: A firestorm of protest?


At 23:46 15.1.2001 +0100, Henning Brauer wrote:
>On Mon, Jan 15, 2001 at 03:18:10PM -0500, Russell Nelson wrote:
>> I'm considering removing the entire patches section from
>> www.qmail.org.
>> 
>> Why?  Because a patch implies that something is wrong, and needs to be
>> fixed.  However, when someone produces a "patch" for smtp-auth, that
>> implies that qmail-smtpd has a problem that the patch fixes.  I'd
>> rather see people steal the necessary parts of Makefile, and Dan's
>> library code, and create a stand-alone "qmail-smtpd-auth" program.
>
>I'd just rename it from patches to "additional functionality" or something
>like that.
>

I guess, thats the correct approach. It would be very helpful for the qmail
community to "organize" the patches - or have them organized. From my point
of view - actually how I organize the mails coming from this mailing list -
one should differentiate between "Add-Ones" (eg. scripts working within
.qmail and the brand new Log-Analyzer in perl) leaving the product
unchanged and "Miscellaneous enhancements" covering the patches against the
code. Both should be organized by feature and/or qmail module.
This would help to keep track of the patches. When I initially created the
SPAMCONTROL patch, I had the same problem like everybody has: Here and
there is  a useful piece of code (=patch) which I integrated into a larger
set. But this is not as trivial as it seems. 

While qmail 1.03 is since years in the field SMTP development is going
further (eg. STARTTLS and SASL) and of cause, everybody is interesting
employing those features. It is necessary to integrate those enhancements
(even though they are not coming from DJB and might be as complex as
qmail-ldap) in order to be competitve. 

In addition, since qmail is prefered by ISPs, there requirements are
different wrt the end user. Therefore, we have today packages like
vpopmail, sqwebmail and others which enhence qmail and it's complexity
significantly. Maybe it would worthwile to consider this as well as an
"organizational" item for qmail.org.

cheers.
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Re: tcpserver

[Dave Sill]

Martin Randall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I have noticed stuff like Dan says mkdir /supervise whereas LWQ has
>references to /var/qmail/supervise. Still I'd like to follow Dan's
>methodology.

mkdir /supervise
ln -s /var/qmail/supervise/* /supervise

Optionally, replace "/var/qmail/supervise" with "/supervise" in all
scripts.

Alternatively, do:

  mkdir /supervise
  ln -s /supervise /var/qmail

instead of LWQ's "mkdir /var/qmail/supervise".

-Dave

tcpserver/smtp

[Dale Herring]

Okay I know the to aren't the same, but two seperate issues.
I am setting up qmail running Maildir/ 
I can get the server running and am able to send mail to my box
locally on the machine itself 
If I try to send a message from another machine to that box the
messages goes.  I never get a bouce back but the messages never
appears in my maildir/new box. It just gets lost in space so to speak.

I am able to check mail from a remote machine and retrieve it, when I
send it from the same machine of course.  but when I start qmail and
tcpserver i get 
{pop3d: 979682833.124531 tcpserver: fatal: unable to bind: address
already used}
Now since I know I am missing something simple, and with a brain fry
(to much OT) I'm missing it or trying to make more out of it than
there is.  Therefore a fresh perspective ??

My tcpserver startup looks like this.
/usr/local/bin/tcpserver -v -R 0 pop3 /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup
mail.mydomian.com \
/bin/checkpassword /var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d Maildir 2>&1 | \
/var/qmail/bin/splogger pop3d &

Suggesitons please

How I block some adresses ?????

[-= Ana Paula =-]

Hi !

I have 55 e-mail addresses of peoples that constantly send SPAMS for
my server.

I would like to block these addresses for the whole server.
How do I make that?

-- 
Best regards,
Ana

unable to bind: address already used

[Matthew Patterson]

question for the list:

I am using qmail-1.03 (patched for bigdns and queuevar), ucspi-tcp-0.88,
daemontools-0.70 and vpopmail-4.9.6-1 on a SuSE GNU/Linux 6.4 box. I have all
the e-mail related daemons (vchkpw, qmail-qmtp, qmail-smtp and qmail-send) in a
setup like the one described in Life With qmail. Every so often, the pop3 logs
(multilog) get flooded with entries like:

@40003a636a5e07e6c22c tcpserver: fatal: unable to bind: address already used

I haven't the foggiest why this is happening, and so far the solution is to
reboot the machine. My config files are below.

Thanks in advance.

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Unix Systems Administrator
National Support Center, LLC
Naperville, Illinois, USA
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/etc/rc.d/qmail:
#!/bin/bash
PATH=/var/qmail/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin
case "$1" in
  start)
 echo -n "Starting qmail: svscan"
 cd /var/qmail/supervise
 env - PATH="$PATH" svscan &
 echo $! > /var/run/svscan.pid
 echo "."
 ;;
  stop)
 echo -n "Stopping qmail: svscan"
 kill `cat /var/run/svscan.pid`
 echo -n " qmail"
 svc -dx /var/qmail/supervise/*
 echo -n " logging"
 svc -dx /var/qmail/supervise/*/log
 echo "."
 ;;
  stat)
 cd /var/qmail/supervise
 svstat * */log
 ;;
  doqueue|alrm)
 echo -n "Sending ALRM signal to qmail-send"
 svc -a /var/qmail/supervise/qmail-send
 echo "."
 ;;
  queue)
 qmail-qstat
 qmail-qread
 ;;
  reload|hup)
 echo -n "Sending HUP signal to qmail-send"
 svc -h /var/qmail/supervise/qmail-send
 echo "."
 ;;
  pause)
 echo -n "Pausing qmail-pop3"
 svc -p /var/qmail/supervise/qmail-pop3
 echo "."
 echo -n "Pausing qmail-send"
 svc -p /var/qmail/supervise/qmail-send
 echo "."
 echo -n "Pausing qmail-smtpd"
 svc -p /var/qmail/supervise/qmail-smtpd
 echo "."
 echo -n "Pausing qmail-qmtpd"
 svc -p /var/qmail/supervise/qmail-qmtpd
 echo "."
 ;;
  cont)
 echo -n "Continuing qmail-send"
 svc -c /var/qmail/supervise/qmail-send
 echo "."
 echo -n "Continuing qmail-smtpd"
 svc -c /var/qmail/supervise/qmail-smtpd
 echo "."
 echo -n "Continuing qmail-qmtpd"
 svc -c /var/qmail/supervise/qmail-qmtpd
 echo "."
 echo -n "Continuing qmail-pop3"
 svc -c /var/qmail/supervise/qmail-pop3
 echo "."
 ;;
  restart)
 echo "Restarting qmail:"
 echo -n "* Stopping qmail-pop3"
 svc -d /var/qmail/supervise/qmail-pop3
 echo "."
 echo -n "* Stopping qmail-qmtpd"
 svc -d /var/qmail/supervise/qmail-qmtpd
 echo "."
 echo -n "* Stopping qmail-smtpd"
 svc -d /var/qmail/supervise/qmail-smtpd
 echo "."
 echo -n "* Sedning qmail-send SIGTERM and restarting."
 svc -t /var/qmail/supervise/qmail-send
 echo "."
 echo -n "* Restarting qmail-smtpd"
 svc -u /var/qmail/supervise/qmail-smtpd
 echo "."
 echo -n "* Restarting qmail-qmtpd"
 svc -u /var/qmail/supervise/qmail-qmtpd
 echo "."
 echo -n "* Restarting qmail-pop3"
 svc -u /var/qmail/supervise/qmail-pop3
 echo "."
 ;;
  cdb)
 tcprules /etc/tcp.smtp.cdb /etc/tcp.smtp.tmp < /etc/tcp.smtp
 chmod 644 /etc/tcp.smtp*
 echo "Reloaded /etc/tcp.smtp."
 tcprules /etc/tcp.qmtp.cdb /etc/tcp.smtp.tmp < /etc/tcp.qmtp
 chmod 644 /etc/tcp.qmtp*
 echo "Reloaded /etc/tcp.qmtp."
 ;;
  help)
cat <&1

/var/qmail/supervise/qmail-pop3/log/run:
#!/bin/bash
exec /usr/local/bin/setuidgid qmaill /usr/local/bin/multilog t \
/var/log/qmail/qmail-pop3

/var/qmail/supervise/qmail-qmtpd/run:
#!/bin/bash
QMAILUID=`id -u qmaild`
NOFILESGID=`id -g qmaild`
exec /usr/local/bin/softlimit -m 1000 /usr/local/bin/tcpserver -v -p -x \
/etc/tcp.qmtp.cdb -u $QMAILUID -g $NOFILESGID 0 qmtp \
/var/qmail/bin/qmail-qmtpd 2>&1

/var/qmail/supervise/qmail-qmtpd/log/run:
#!/bin/bash
exec /usr/local/bin/setuidgid qmaill /usr/local/bin/multilog t \
/var/log/qmail/qmail-qmtpd

/var/qmail/supervise/qmail-send/run:
#!/bin/bash
exec /var/qmail/rc

/var/qmail/supervise/qmail-send/log/run:
#!/bin/bash
exec /usr/local/bin/setuidgid qmaill /usr/local/bin/multilog t \
/var/log/qmail/qmail-send

/var/qmail/supervise/qmail-smtpd/run:
#!/bin/bash
QMAILUID=`id -u qmaild`
NOFILESGID=`id -g qmaild`
# export QMAILQUEUE="/var/qmail/bin/qmail-queue"
export QMAILQUEUE="/var/qmail/bin/qmail-scanner-queue.pl"
exec /usr/local/bin/softlimit -m 1000 /usr/local/bin/tcpserver -v -p -x \
/etc/tcp.smtp.cdb -u $QMAILUID -g $NOFILESGID 0smtp \
/var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd 2>&1

/var/qmail/supervise/qmail-smtpd/log/run:
#!/bin/bash
exec /usr/local/bin/setuidgid qmaill /usr/local/bin/multilog t \
/var/log/qmail/qmail-smtpd

Re: tcpserver/smtp

[Charles Cazabon]

Dale Herring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> I am able to check mail from a remote machine and retrieve it, when I
> send it from the same machine of course.  but when I start qmail and
> tcpserver i get 
> {pop3d: 979682833.124531 tcpserver: fatal: unable to bind: address
> already used}

Something else is already running on port 25.  Did you forget to stop
sendmail?

Charles
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Re: tcpserver/smtp

[Johan Almqvist]

* Dale Herring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010116 16:39]:
> My tcpserver startup looks like this.
> /usr/local/bin/tcpserver -v -R 0 pop3 /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup
> mail.mydomian.com \
> /bin/checkpassword /var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d Maildir 2>&1 | \
> /var/qmail/bin/splogger pop3d &
> Suggesitons please

Starting an smtp server may help

tcpserver 0 smtp qmail-smtpd 

Or, with you paths:
/usr/local/bin/tcpserver 0 smtp qmail-smtpd | \
/var/qmail/bin/splogger smtpd &

-Johan
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Johan Almqvist
http://www.almqvist.net/johan/qmail/

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Re: How I block some adresses ?????

[Johan Almqvist]

Ana, please don't start new threads by replying to old messages!

* Ana Paula <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010116 17:03]:
> I have 55 e-mail addresses of peoples that constantly send SPAMS for
> my server.
> I would like to block these addresses for the whole server.
> How do I make that?

Put the addresses, one per line, into
/var/qmail/control/badmailfrom

Note that this makes qmail-smtpd reject based on the _envelope_ sender.

Use Peter's patch at
http://www.almqvist.net/johan/qmail/qmail-qmtpc.html
to achieve the same thing for qmail-qmtpd.

-Johan
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Re: Possible problem with qmail-qmtpc patch

[Ian Lance Taylor]

Johan Almqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> * Ian Lance Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010115 23:53]:
> > I don't see it.  Russ's patch looks like this (at least, in the
> > version I downloaded):
> > +if (qmtp_priority(ip.ix[i].pref)) {
> > +  if (timeoutconn(smtpfd,&ip.ix[i].ip,(unsigned int) 
>qmtp_port,timeoutconnect) == 0) {
> > +   tcpto_err(&ip.ix[i].ip,0);
> > +   partner = ip.ix[i].ip;
> > +   qmtp(); /* does not return */
> > +  }
> > +}
> > +if (timeoutconn(smtpfd,&ip.ix[i].ip,(unsigned int) smtp_port,timeoutconnect) 
>== 0) {
> > In other words, if the MX priority indicates QMTP, try to make a QMTP
> > connection.  If that connection fails--if it times out, or if the
> > remote system does not accept the connect request--timeoutconn will
> > return -1 and qmail-remote will go on to try to make an SMTP
> > connection.
> 
> timeoutconn seems to only return -1 when the attemt times out, NOT if the
> remote system doesn't accept the connection attempt. (That's what my
> experiments have shown, at least... I'd like very much for this to be
> seconded by others before I have another go at this!)

Interesting.  What type of system are you running?  The code in
timeoutconn.c uses getpeername to check whether the connect really
succeeded.  This is as DJB suggests in
http://cr.yp.to/docs/unixport.html

When I look at timeoutconn.c, it looks to me like it should return -1
if the connect attempt fails.  Any other result implies that
getpeername succeeds when the socket is not connected.

Ian

forwarding mail

[Travis Turner]

Hello All,

Is there some way to forward an individuals mail to a different ISP.  For 
example if a user has retired from this company and is using a private ISP 
now can I forward [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Thanks for the 
help.


Regards,


Travis Turner
Information Technology Manager
Applied Integration Corporation
Tucson, Arizona  U.S.A.
Phone (520) 743-3095
Fax (520) 623-1683

"Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons for you are crunchy
and taste good with ketchup."

Re: qmail smtp daemon takes long to display banner

[Henning Brauer]

On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 01:31:16PM -, Gon?alo Gomes wrote: 
> my installed qmail server takes long to display its banner, i dont know why,
> i've followed lifewithqmail step by step
> and cant figure out what is the problem!

You didn't gave sufficient information, but I could guess the problem.
Disable ident lookups, man tcpserver gives you the options. Careful reading
of this manpage is important, there are at least two other opions whioch can
speed up things.

-- 
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Hostmaster BSWS| Roedingsmarkt 14
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | 20459 Hamburg
http://www.bsws.de | Germany

Re: smtp to 371.net

[Henning Brauer]

On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 08:12:54AM -0600, Charles Cazabon wrote:
> Rick Lu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > My mail server is qmail and it plays well. But I can not send any mail to
> > 371.net which has three mx server and one smtp server.
> > mx2.371.net
> > mx3.371.net
> > mx4.371.net
> > smtp.371.net
> > on its website, I got to know that smtp.371.net is recommended. but I can not
> > connect to this server by telneting its 25 port. Can anyone give me a hand?
> > Or is there any other method by which mail servers can communicate with each
> > other? 
> Is the document on its website intended for the ISP's customers?  Probably the
> mx* hosts are intended to be the MX for the domain, and "smtp.371.net" is there
> as a smart relay for its customers only, and they have port 25 firewalled off
> from the rest of the net.

dnsmx 371.net gives mx.371.net, so this one is reachable from outside.


-- 
Henning Brauer | BS Web Services
Hostmaster BSWS| Roedingsmarkt 14
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | 20459 Hamburg
http://www.bsws.de | Germany

Re: ENOUGH WITH THE FRIGGIN VIRII WARNINGS!

[OK 2 NET - André Paulsberg]

Hey, it took 30 minuttes for my message to go trough!

When I sent the message NOONE had complained,
later when the list catched up several warning-messages came.
Complain to the "fill in the blank" person who sent this virus :(


MVH André Paulsberg

Re: forwarding mail

[Alex Kramarov]

  >Is there some way to forward an individuals mail to a different 
  ISP. For >example if a user has retired from this company and is 
  using a private ISP >now can I forward [EMAIL PROTECTED] to 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks for the >help.
  Edit his .qmail file to point to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (or remove his user and create 
  an alias with this redirect). This is basic, please read man dot_qmail 
  before farther questions.
   





	
	
	
	
	
	
	





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Re: forwarding mail

[Charles Cazabon]

Travis Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Is there some way to forward an individuals mail to a different ISP.  For
> example if a user has retired from this company and is using a private ISP
> now can I forward [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Of course there is.  It's clearly documented, and is probably in the FAQ.
Hint:  `man dot-qmail`.

Charles
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Re: smtp to 371.net

[Charles Cazabon]

Henning Brauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 08:12:54AM -0600, Charles Cazabon wrote:
> > Rick Lu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > My mail server is qmail and it plays well. But I can not send any mail to
> > > 371.net which has three mx server and one smtp server.  on its website, I
> > > got to know that smtp.371.net is recommended. but I can not connect to
> > > this server by telneting its 25 port. Can anyone give me a hand?  Or is
> > > there any other method by which mail servers can communicate with each
> > > other? 

> > Is the document on its website intended for the ISP's customers?  Probably
> > the mx* hosts are intended to be the MX for the domain, and "smtp.371.net"
> > is there as a smart relay for its customers only, and they have port 25
> > firewalled off from the rest of the net.
 
> dnsmx 371.net gives mx.371.net, so this one is reachable from outside.

I meant that "smtp.371.net" might be an internal-only mail relay.  Any host
named "mx\d" is probably a publically-reachable MX.

Charles
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Re: Installing mini-qmail seems to require qmail ids contrary to documentation

[Tetsu Ushijima]

Yusuf Goolamabbas writes:
> So, does the installation of mini-qmail require creating of user-ids for
> installation and then one can delete them subsequently

Before running make setup check, you could edit conf-users 
and conf-groups so that all the first eight lines of 
conf-users have ``root'' and all the first two lines of 
conf-groups have ``wheel'' (or ``root'' on some systems). 
Then you don't have to create new users and groups.

I think replacing qmail users with root in conf-* is safe as 
long as one is doing a mini-qmail installation: there 
is no queue; there is no setuid program; and there is no 
long-running daemons.

Along this line, I happened to make a ``mini-qmail kit'' 
some time ago. If you are interested, see:

http://pobox.com/~tu/mini-qmail-kit.html

-- 
Tetsu Ushijima

Re: unable to bind: address already used

[Marco Leeflang]

> 
> @40003a636a5e07e6c22c tcpserver: fatal: unable to bind: address already used
> 

This means that there's already active a pop3-server, look with ps.
disable the pop3 entry in inetd.conf.

marco leeflang

Re: smtp to 371.net

[Henning Brauer]

On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 11:33:06AM -0600, Charles Cazabon wrote:
> Henning Brauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > dnsmx 371.net gives mx.371.net, so this one is reachable from outside. 
> I meant that "smtp.371.net" might be an internal-only mail relay.  Any host
> named "mx\d" is probably a publically-reachable MX.

This is speculation. As mx.371.net is a MX for this domain it must be
reachable from outside. For the others we don't have any information. 

-- 
Henning Brauer | BS Web Services
Hostmaster BSWS| Roedingsmarkt 14
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | 20459 Hamburg
http://www.bsws.de | Germany

Re: qmail smtp daemon takes long to display banner

[Ricardo Cerqueira]

On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 06:00:21PM +0100, Henning Brauer wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 01:31:16PM -, Gon?alo Gomes wrote: 
> > my installed qmail server takes long to display its banner, i dont know why,
> > i've followed lifewithqmail step by step
> > and cant figure out what is the problem!
> 
> You didn't gave sufficient information, but I could guess the problem.
> Disable ident lookups, man tcpserver gives you the options. Careful reading
> of this manpage is important, there are at least two other opions whioch can
> speed up things.

Disabling host resolution also helps quite a lot. Just RTFM before asking.

RC

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Handling an MX record of 0.0.0.0 or 127.0.0.1

[Scott Gifford]

We received an influx of mail today addressed to (probably bogus)
users at the domain 'groupprojects.net'.  This domain has the
following MX record:

groupprojects.net   preference = 0, mail exchanger = 0.0.0.0

When we received the message, qmail connected to 0.0.0.0 to deliver
the mail.  0.0.0.0 connects to 127.0.0.1, so qmail ended up connected
to itself.  It continued to deliver the message to itself, and because
127. is allowed to relay on my system, the message was accepted.  Then
qmail would immediately begin delivering the message to itself again.
Wash, rinse, repeat.

I stopped this from happening by denying connections from 127. in my
TCP rules file for qmail-smtpd (I changed

127.:allow,RELAYCLIENT="",,RBLSMTPD=""DENYMAIL="DNSCHECK"

to

127.:deny

), but this seemed like kind of a kludgey solution.

So I have 2 questions.

1) Is there a better way to do this?  Allowing 127. to relay is a
   convenient way for me to test.  I'd like to be able to null-route
   to these addresses in smtproutes instead, but I don't see a way to
   do that.

2) Will anything bad happen as a result of blocking SMTP connections
   from 127.?  I can't think of what this would break, but I've always
   had this address allowed to relay before . . .

Thanks,

--ScottG.

Re: Dot in email adress

[David L. Nicol]

James R Grinter wrote:
> 
> "David L. Nicol" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > What exactly is the threat this is supposed to guard against?  Is
> > it directory descending on vms, or access to the .. directory somehow?
> 
> I think it's along the lines of something like 'user-/../foo@domain'
> which would naively search for '.qmail-/../foo'. Replacing '.' is an
> easy way to prevent it ever being possible.
> 
> James.


Yes, but dot appears so many places -- would not replacing slash
be a better solution?



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   David Nicol 816.235.1187 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"people with fish eyes and brown socks"

Re: A firestorm of protest?

[Jerry Lynde]

At 07:21 PM 1/15/2001, you wrote:
>On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, Felix von Leitner wrote:
>
> > If you want to use bloated, unreliable, immensely fat software with a
>
>Where I have written, that EACH patch? Only USEFUL patch.
>The world goes forward!

Ah...but what is useful to thee may not be useful to me :o)

Or many others for that matter. Who decides what's useful?


Jer

Re: A firestorm of protest?

[Jurjen Oskam]

On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:18:10 -0500 (EST), Russell Nelson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Why?  Because a patch implies that something is wrong, and needs to be
>fixed.  However, when someone produces a "patch" for smtp-auth, that

This might be too simple, but why not call them 'modifications' or
'customi[sz]ations'?

That doesn't seem to have the implied wrongness...
end
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Header rewriting ...

[Alex Kramarov]

  I know that this question is being asked from time to time here, 
  but I have never seen a descriptive answer to it. 
   
  I have to rewrite the FROM field from messages I recieve through 
  smtp. The only rewriting I have to do is if FROM = alex@a.b then i 
  rewrite to FROM = [EMAIL PROTECTED]. The username 
  stays the same, only rewrite the domail name.
   
  I have tried to use the Fixup part from qmail faq, created virtual 
  domain, got Mess822, starting to use new-inject in 
  /alias/.qmail-catchall-default, but I am unable to reach a satisfiing set 
  of parameters for it.
  Somehow I get the feeling that the virtdomail idea is not designed 
  for tis situation, or am I wrong ???
   
  Help will be apriciated.
   
  Alex.
   
   





	
	
	
	
	
	
	





__IncrediMail - Email has finally 
evolved - Click 
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Re: Possible problem with qmail-qmtpc patch

[Ian Lance Taylor]

Ian Lance Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> > I think there may be a problem with the patches to qmail-remote that make
> > it speak QMTP based on MXPS.
> > 
> > If the QMTP connection fails (because the remote host doesn't have a qmtpd
> > running) this failure will be logged as
> > 
> > deferral: Connected_to_194.47.249.19_but_connection_died._(#4.4.2)/
> > 
> > which means that the message will not be retried at the next best MX but
> > go back to the queue.
> 
> I don't see it.

Now I see it.  You can't call connect twice on the same socket.  This
patch, on top of Russ's patch, fixes it.

Ian

--- qmail-remote.c.~1~  Sat Jan  6 22:49:02 2001
+++ qmail-remote.c  Tue Jan 16 10:30:29 2001
@@ -531,6 +531,9 @@
partner = ip.ix[i].ip;
qmtp(); /* does not return */
   }
+  close(smtpfd);
+  smtpfd = socket(AF_INET,SOCK_STREAM,0);
+  if (smtpfd == -1) temp_oserr();
 }
 if (timeoutconn(smtpfd,&ip.ix[i].ip,(unsigned int) smtp_port,timeoutconnect) == 
0) {
   tcpto_err(&ip.ix[i].ip,0);

Re: qmailanalog scripts

[Ismail YENIGUL]

hi i write one
http://www.enderunix.org/isoqlog

it suppliess your request


On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, Clemens Hermann wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> did anyone make the attemt to get the output of qmailanalog in a
> webpage. I think of kind of report-page where you get a short monthly
> summary for each local/virtual domain (how many messages, how many Megs,
> etc.)
> If there is nothing like this around, would anyone else be interested in 
> such a script or is it just me?
> 
> bye
> 
> /ch
> 

Re: A firestorm of protest?

[Dave Sill]

"Chris Garrigues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> From:  "David Dyer-Bennet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> 
>> "Upgrade" suggests adding features, rather more than "patch" does;
>> patches are often released to fix bugs.
>
>How about "addition" or "extension"?

I vote for "source code plug-ins". :-)

-Dave

Re: Handling an MX record of 0.0.0.0 or 127.0.0.1

[Charles Cazabon]

Scott Gifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...] 
> 127. is allowed to relay on my system, the message was accepted.  Then
> qmail would immediately begin delivering the message to itself again.
> Wash, rinse, repeat.
> 
> I stopped this from happening by denying connections from 127. in my
> TCP rules file for qmail-smtpd (I changed
> 
> 127.:allow,RELAYCLIENT="",,RBLSMTPD=""DENYMAIL="DNSCHECK"
> 
> to
> 
> 127.:deny
> 
> ), but this seemed like kind of a kludgey solution.
> 
> So I have 2 questions.
> 
> 1) Is there a better way to do this?  Allowing 127. to relay is a
>convenient way for me to test.  I'd like to be able to null-route
>to these addresses in smtproutes instead, but I don't see a way to
>do that.

Change your rule to:
126.:allow,RELAYCLIENT="@localrelay"
and add a virtual domain "localrelay" which files all messages in a single
Maildir, or throws them away.  Any mail injected from 127. will get its
envelope recipient rewritten by appending the contents of RELAYCLIENT, and
it will then be handled by this virtual domain.

> 2) Will anything bad happen as a result of blocking SMTP connections
>from 127.?  I can't think of what this would break, but I've always
>had this address allowed to relay before . . .

Only if you run software on the machine which sends mail by SMTP to localhost
rather than using the "sendmail" interface.

Charles
-- 
---
Charles Cazabon<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
GPL'ed software available at:  http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/
Any opinions expressed are just that -- my opinions.
---

Re: Virus-ridden emails from 'funky gao'?

[Andy Bradford]

On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:02:44 EST, "Hubbard, David" wrote:


> Is everyone else receiving a bunch of emails
> from 'funky gao'?  Can someone remove this
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the list?  I've
> received quite a few messages from him this
> morning, all containing the file Emanuel.exe
> with a virus.

Yes, I have been receiving these as well.  Our mail server with 
qmail-scanner has rejected 16 so far.  They are probably not going 
back to him so he may not even be aware...

Andy

Re: A firestorm of protest?

[Tony Campisi]

: I vote for "source code plug-ins". :-)
:
: -Dave
:

Service pack 0.1 Beta?

TonyCam

Re: Handling an MX record of 0.0.0.0 or 127.0.0.1

[Charles Cazabon]

Charles Cazabon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Change your rule to:
>   126.:allow,RELAYCLIENT="@localrelay"

127., of course.  Typo.

Charles
-- 
---
Charles Cazabon<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
GPL'ed software available at:  http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/
Any opinions expressed are just that -- my opinions.
---

Re: A firestorm of protest?

[Robin S. Socha]

* Dave Sill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "Chris Garrigues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> From: "David Dyer-Bennet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>>> "Upgrade" suggests adding features, rather more than "patch" does;
>>> patches are often released to fix bugs.

>> How about "addition" or "extension"?

> I vote for "source code plug-ins". :-)

Ummm... Nope. A plug-in is something one plugs in. Like relay-ctrl. Patches
are not. A tool to magically merge patches one needs into one big patch
(like Felix' jumbo patch) would be really neat (like, smtp-auth fails
with the other patches I need applied).

Re: A firestorm of protest?

[Robin S. Socha]

* Laurence Brockman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I'm going to jump into the discussion here and ask why we don't do
> something like perl has done with cpan? They don't call them patches,
> or upgrades, or anything else. They call them Modules and have a
> central repository that users can go and search from. I think this
> would be ideal for qmail.org site...

A module is not a patch. You can apply as many well written modules as
you like - but you cannot simply patch away at an existing code base.
-- 
Robin S. Socha 

RE: tcpserver/smtp

[Dale Herring]

Okay, i got rid of one error and picked up another one.

tcpserver: warning: dropping connection, unable to run qmail-smtpd: file
does not exist

And I still have mail that is going to the machine but it just disapears.
Instead of going to the Maildir/


-Original Message-
From: Charles Cazabon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 10:21 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: tcpserver/smtp


Dale Herring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I am able to check mail from a remote machine and retrieve it, when I
> send it from the same machine of course.  but when I start qmail and
> tcpserver i get
> {pop3d: 979682833.124531 tcpserver: fatal: unable to bind: address
> already used}

Something else is already running on port 25.  Did you forget to stop
sendmail?

Charles
--
---
Charles Cazabon<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
GPL'ed software available at:  http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/
Any opinions expressed are just that -- my opinions.
---

Re: tcpserver/smtp

[Mark Delany]

On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 02:02:33PM -0600, Dale Herring wrote:
> Okay, i got rid of one error and picked up another one.
> 
> tcpserver: warning: dropping connection, unable to run qmail-smtpd: file
> does not exist

So you have yet another error to get rid of. 

Is it too obvious to ask that you show us how you are running
tcpserver?  And I do mean the exact command, not some paraphrasing as
paraphrasing hides errors.

> And I still have mail that is going to the machine but it just disapears.
> Instead of going to the Maildir/

I bet you it's not. Show us the log files where the mail
"disapears". It is simply somewhere that you haven't looked.


Regards.

> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Charles Cazabon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 10:21 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: tcpserver/smtp
> 
> 
> Dale Herring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I am able to check mail from a remote machine and retrieve it, when I
> > send it from the same machine of course.  but when I start qmail and
> > tcpserver i get
> > {pop3d: 979682833.124531 tcpserver: fatal: unable to bind: address
> > already used}
> 
> Something else is already running on port 25.  Did you forget to stop
> sendmail?
> 
> Charles
> --
> ---
> Charles Cazabon<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> GPL'ed software available at:  http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/
> Any opinions expressed are just that -- my opinions.
> ---
> 

Re: Life With Qmail

[Dave Sill]

"Keith Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I followed the directions to the T in Life with Qmail -
>http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html.  At the end of the install,
>chapter 2, I re-booted.
>
>After my system booted I type ps and there was only 2 processes
>running:
>
>1) bash
>2) ps

You're not seeing all the processes. Try one of:

  ps -ef
  ps waux

Or even:

  qmail stat

(after you put /usr/local/sbin in root's path).

>Then I issued the command "/usr/local/sbin/qmail start".
>
>PS then showed 9 processes running:
>
>1) bash
>2) svscan
>3) supervise
>4) supervise
>5) supervise
>6) supervise
>7) tcpserver
>8) qmail-lspawn
>9) ps

You're still not seeing all processes.

>Several questions:
>1) Why did I have to start qmail manually?

You probably didn't.

>2) According to the TEST.deliver file there should be 4 processes
>running:
>a) qmail-send
>b) qmail-lspawn
>c) qmail-rspawn
>d) qmail-clean
>Could these be showing as supervise?

No.

>3) LWQ says "logging will be accomplished by multilog"  Where is the
>log?

/var/log/qmail/current for qmail-send
/var/log/qmail/smtpd/current for qmail-smtpd (really just tcpserver)

-Dave

RE: A firestorm of protest?

[Michael Boyiazis]

how about:

stuff-to-make-qmail-a-reasonable-tool-to-use-with-a-few-million-users-that-m
ay-encourage-others-to-write-stuff-that-may-introduce-security-holes-and-mak
e-the-original-author-uneasy

i'm grateful that qmail is security bug free.  but i have the need to
control
the max number of recipients per email and to prevent broken ms SMTP
servers from bringing my servers to their knees, etc.

while i wrote a similar "enhancement" to qmail to control max rcpt's to what
was on the qmail.org site (before i knew to cruise the site for good stuff),
i wouldn't want to do that for things like big todo "patch" and perhaps the
big concurrancy "patch".

if i had a few or ten thousand users, i'd gladly use qmail "out of the box."
i'd have someone watch the logs 24/7 and if they see too many connections
from one IP,  block them with a tcpserver rule.  unfortunately i have too
many servers and too many users to be doing that.  i need the help that
others have provided to assist qmail be accepted and usable in many
heterogeneous real world environments.
--
Michael Boyiazis
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mail Architect, NetZero, Inc.

Re: A firestorm of protest?

[Jonathan J. Smith]

"Robin S. Socha" wrote:
> 
> * Dave Sill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > "Chris Garrigues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>> From: "David Dyer-Bennet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> >>> "Upgrade" suggests adding features, rather more than "patch" does;
> >>> patches are often released to fix bugs.
> 
> >> How about "addition" or "extension"?
> 
> > I vote for "source code plug-ins". :-)
> 
> Ummm... Nope. A plug-in is something one plugs in. Like relay-ctrl. Patches
> are not. A tool to magically merge patches one needs into one big patch
> (like Felix' jumbo patch) would be really neat (like, smtp-auth fails
> with the other patches I need applied).


Why not put together something like that.. a versioning tool for qmail
and patches... 
have a published standard format for dealing with it and specifing the
details for
each patch (Module)..

Jonathan Smith

@home.com mail servers...

[Marc Knoop]

Is it just me, or do you folks that run lists find that many of the messages stuck in 
the queue are to @home.com recipients?

Whilst watching my logs, I see *many* 
"Sorry,_I_wasn't_able_to_establsih_an_SMTP_connection._".  I knew they had mail 
problems, but sheesh!

-- 
./mk

Re: qmail help quick!

[Dave Sill]

Dan Phoenix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I am noticing all the mail going into the queue and maybe
>10 qmail-remote processes whereas I have 250 set for
>concurrencyremote!

You restarted qmail after you modified concurrencyremote? Grep for
"status:" in your qmail-send logs to verify that qmail-send agrees
that concurrencyremote is set to 250.

>THis makes no sense to me. THis is a freebsd system and yes sendmail is a
>symlink to /var/qmail/bin/sendmail. All my config looks right...I have
>not had this problem before. What is happening?

Could be a lot of things. Have you verified that resource starvation
isn't problem? E.g., you've got plenty of CPU cycles going to qmail,
adequate RAM, adequate network bandwidth, adequate disk I/O
performance...

>i am out of ideas...i
>checked /var/log/qmail/current and /var/log/qmail/smtpd/currentmail
>looks like it is going out fine. qmail-showwhatever shows everythign is
>great..but everything gets thrown in the queue...so many almost
>damaging it.

qmail *always* queues all mail. That's not a problem.

>I am not sure if I am on these mailing lists...so please cc
>directly to methx in advance.

Done.

-Dave

Re: A firestorm of protest?

[Dave Sill]

"Robin S. Socha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>* Dave Sill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> I vote for "source code plug-ins". :-)
>
>Ummm... Nope.

Nope what? Nope, I don't vote for "source code plug-ins"? Or nope,
"source code plug-ins" is not a good rename for "patches"? You're
right either way--as the smiley clearly indicates.

Seriously, I suggest we call them "modifications", or "mods" for
short.

-Dave

tcpserver/smtp

[Dale Herring]

Okay, yea I know its not disappearing. Lets just say like you said I can't
find it yet.
But at least its not getting bounced.
tcpserver startup scripts.
/usr/local/bin/tcpserver 0 smtp /var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd |
/var/qmail/bin/splogger smtpd &

/usr/local/bin/tcpserver -v -R 0 pop3 /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup
server.mydomain.com \
/bin/checkpassword /var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d Maildir 2>&1 | \
/var/qmail/bin/splogger pop3d &

Now I am sure that there is a way to include the smtp stuff into the
supervise/qmail-smtp/run
script...

As far as the missing mail goes I have mailed a e-mail with a attachment and
the overall used space is increasing.. so I know that it is getting there.
Just have to find it.

Re: @home.com mail servers...

[joshua stein]

Marc Knoop wrote:
> Is it just me, or do you folks that run lists find that many of the
> messages stuck in the queue are to @home.com recipients?

not so much @home, but usually half of aol's mail exchangers fail to
respond at any given point.

Re: @home.com mail servers...

[Jesse Sunday]

Funny you say that...   We've had a broken link to them since
01-10-2001  ~  Tons of mail in the queue...  =(

Following is a tracert snippet...

Tracing route to home.com [199.172.150.102]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

10   111 ms   110 ms   120 ms  p1-0.lsanca1-br2.bbnplanet.net [4.24.6.77]
11   121 ms   110 ms   140 ms  p2-0.lsanca1-br1.bbnplanet.net [4.24.4.13]
12   120 ms   161 ms   130 ms  p7-3.paloalto-nbr2.bbnplanet.net [4.24.5.210]
13   120 ms   121 ms   150 ms  p4-0.paloalto-nbr1.bbnplanet.net [4.0.5.65]
14   150 ms   121 ms   130 ms  p1-0.paloalto-cr1.bbnplanet.net [4.0.6.74]
15 *** Request timed out.



Do you have DSL???   Who is your provider???


Jesse





: Is it just me, or do you folks that run lists find that many of the
messages stuck in the queue are to @home.com recipients?
:
: Whilst watching my logs, I see *many*
"Sorry,_I_wasn't_able_to_establsih_an_SMTP_connection._".  I knew they had
mail problems, but sheesh!
:
: --
: ./mk

bounce mail allways double bounces because the 'to' in the envelope is empty?

[Sebastián E . Brocher]

Hi, I'm running qmail+vpopmail in a redhat 6.2 box. 
Instaled yesterday
and never installed before, only managed some 
systems already installed. 
It seems I doesn't have a mail defined for the bounce mails to go for? 
I mean, for checking I sended a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
that email
I'm sure that doesn't exist. I thought I would 
recibe some bounce mail in
[EMAIL PROTECTED], so I checked, but 
received this:
 
--->
Hi. This is the qmail-send program at 
tuxar.com.I tried to deliver a bounce message to this address, but the 
bounce bounced!<@tuxar.com>:Sorry, no mailbox here by that 
name. vpopmail (#5.1.1)--- Below this line is the original 
bounce.Return-Path: <>Received: (qmail 12560 invoked from 
network); 16 Jan 2001 03:47:46 -Received: from unknown (HELO pepe) 
(192.168.1.2)  by ol50-71.fibertel.com.ar with SMTP; 16 Jan 2001 
03:47:46 -asdf
--->
 
It seems all bounced mail double-bounces and 
finally got to postmaster. How
can I solve this? Is this important? Would cause 
any damage?
 
Bellow is the output for qmail-showctl, that I 
thought It may be usefull for you:
 
--->
qmail home directory: /var/qmail.user-ext 
delimiter: -.paternalism (in decimal): 2.silent concurrency limit: 
120.subdirectory split: 23.user ids: 512, 513, 514, 0, 515, 516, 517, 
518.group ids: 512, 513.
badmailfrom: (Default.) Any MAIL FROM is 
allowed.
bouncefrom: (Default.) Bounce user name is 
MAILER-DAEMON.
bouncehost: (Default.) Bounce host name is 
tuxar.com.
concurrencylocal: (Default.) Local concurrency is 
10.
concurrencyremote: (Default.) Remote concurrency is 
20.
databytes: (Default.) SMTP DATA limit is 0 
bytes.
defaultdomain: Default domain name is 
tuxar.com.
defaulthost: (Default.) Default host name is 
tuxar.com.
doublebouncehost: (Default.) 2B recipient host: 
tuxar.com.
doublebounceto: (Default.) 2B recipient user: 
postmaster.
envnoathost: (Default.) Presumed domain name is 
tuxar.com.
helohost: (Default.) SMTP client HELO host name is 
tuxar.com.
idhost: (Default.) Message-ID host name is 
tuxar.com.
localiphost: (Default.) Local IP address becomes 
tuxar.com.
locals: 
me: My name is tuxar.com.
percenthack: (Default.) The percent hack is not 
allowed.
plusdomain: Plus domain name is 
tuxar.com.
qmqpservers: (Default.) No QMQP 
servers.
queuelifetime: (Default.) Message lifetime in the 
queue is 604800 seconds.
rcpthosts: SMTP clients may send messages to 
recipients at tuxar.com.
morercpthosts: (Default.) No effect.
morercpthosts.cdb: (Default.) No 
effect.
smtpgreeting: (Default.) SMTP greeting: 220 
tuxar.com.
smtproutes: (Default.) No artificial SMTP 
routes.
timeoutconnect: (Default.) SMTP client connection 
timeout is 60 seconds.
timeoutremote: (Default.) SMTP client data timeout 
is 1200 seconds.
timeoutsmtpd: (Default.) SMTP server data timeout 
is 1200 seconds.
virtualdomains: Virtual domain: 
tuxar.com:tuxar.com
rcpthosts.lock: I have no idea what this file 
does.
virtualdomains.lock: I have no idea what this file 
does.
locals.lock: I have no idea what this file 
does.--->
 
Sorry If this is docummented elsewhere and I 
missed. Thanks in advance,
 
Sebastian Brocher
www.tuxar.com

tcpserver with more connection control

[Markus Stumpf]

Sorry, if this is somewhat off topic, but I haven't found a ucspi-tcp list.
(and nothing approriate searching with search engines ;-)

Has someone written an addon to tcpserver that allows control of
connection frequency based on ip addresses?

I am thinking of something like specifing
   1.2.3.4  20 connects per 10 minutes
If that limit is hit tcpserver would either deny the connection or start
an optional other program e.g. smtpreject which could send
220 mail.example.com
and a
451 too many connections
as an answer to sucessive commands.

Thanks,
\Maex

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Re: A firestorm of protest?

[Harald Hanche-Olsen]

+ Dave Sill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

| Seriously, I suggest we call them "modifications", or "mods" for
| short.

This whole discussion reminds of a Lisp story I heard many years ago.
These folks were making a software package based on Lisp.  A manager
actually requested that they rename the garbage collector because it
(the name) implied that their program produced garbage!

But of course, if we are to bend to this silliness in the first place,
then Dave's suggestion sound good to me.

- Harald