Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: EZMLM list management issues
Same as mine On 3/3/2022 4:43 PM, Chris wrote: [root@mail ~]# rpm -qa |grep ezmlm ezmlm-0.53.324-0.qt.el7.x86_64 ezmlm-cgi-0.53.324-0.qt.el7.x86_64 On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 5:30 AM Eric Broch wrote: Sorry, it is actually working on mine from the command line. I was using .org instead of .com mailing list. What version of ezmlm are you using? # rpm -qa |grep ezmlm On 3/3/2022 8:25 AM, Eric Broch wrote: > I removed a subscriber through the qmailadmin interface, but couldn't > at the command line. > > On 3/3/2022 3:36 AM, qmailtoas...@dukat.dk wrote: >> I was hoping that Apache/qmailadmin would have given a clue when you >> hit the trash. >> >> Are there illegal chars in the mailaddress? >> >> cd ~vpopmail/domains///subscribers >> strings * | cat -vte >> >> Regards, >> >> Allan >> >> On 2022-03-03 01:44, Boheme wrote: >>> But I can’t unsubscribe using the CLI tools, and there is no error >>> output. >>> >>> -Sent from my Pip-Boy 3000 >>> On 3/03/2022, at 1:40 AM, qmailtoas...@dukat.dk wrote: Hi Chris Have you looked carefully for relevant information in web servers log files? - Allan > On 2022-03-02 10:01, Chris Knight wrote: > I’m still having ezmlm issues. I can’t delete users from the command > line, from qmailadmin, or via email commands. Permissions on all > files in the list directory are vpopmail:vchkpw > Has anyone else encountered this? > -Chris >>> On Feb 6, 2022, at 7:45 AM, Chris Knight wrote: >> I’ve got a toaster that has been running fine for a long while. >> One of my friends who I host email for reported that they are >> unable to unsubscribe someone from a mailing list they run. I >> logged in, and tried to manually use the ezmlm-unsub command, and >> yet the email address refuses to be removed from the mailing >> list. I’ve checked permission in the [list]/subscribers/ >> directory, and all files are owned by vpopmail:vchkpw >> Has anyone else had problems with list management? >> My package version is ezmlm-0.53.324-0.qt.el7.x86_64 >> -Chris >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com >> For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com >> > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com > For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: EZMLM list management issues
[root@mail ~]# rpm -qa |grep ezmlm ezmlm-0.53.324-0.qt.el7.x86_64 ezmlm-cgi-0.53.324-0.qt.el7.x86_64 On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 5:30 AM Eric Broch wrote: > Sorry, it is actually working on mine from the command line. I was using > .org instead of .com mailing list. > > What version of ezmlm are you using? > > # rpm -qa |grep ezmlm > > On 3/3/2022 8:25 AM, Eric Broch wrote: > > I removed a subscriber through the qmailadmin interface, but couldn't > > at the command line. > > > > On 3/3/2022 3:36 AM, qmailtoas...@dukat.dk wrote: > >> I was hoping that Apache/qmailadmin would have given a clue when you > >> hit the trash. > >> > >> Are there illegal chars in the mailaddress? > >> > >> cd ~vpopmail/domains///subscribers > >> strings * | cat -vte > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Allan > >> > >> On 2022-03-03 01:44, Boheme wrote: > >>> But I can’t unsubscribe using the CLI tools, and there is no error > >>> output. > >>> > >>> -Sent from my Pip-Boy 3000 > >>> > On 3/03/2022, at 1:40 AM, qmailtoas...@dukat.dk wrote: > > Hi Chris > > Have you looked carefully for relevant information in web servers > log files? > > - Allan > > > On 2022-03-02 10:01, Chris Knight wrote: > > I’m still having ezmlm issues. I can’t delete users from the command > > line, from qmailadmin, or via email commands. Permissions on all > > files in the list directory are vpopmail:vchkpw > > Has anyone else encountered this? > > -Chris > >>> On Feb 6, 2022, at 7:45 AM, Chris Knight wrote: > >> I’ve got a toaster that has been running fine for a long while. > >> One of my friends who I host email for reported that they are > >> unable to unsubscribe someone from a mailing list they run. I > >> logged in, and tried to manually use the ezmlm-unsub command, and > >> yet the email address refuses to be removed from the mailing > >> list. I’ve checked permission in the [list]/subscribers/ > >> directory, and all files are owned by vpopmail:vchkpw > >> Has anyone else had problems with list management? > >> My package version is ezmlm-0.53.324-0.qt.el7.x86_64 > >> -Chris > >> > >> > >> - > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com > >> For additional commands, e-mail: > qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com > >> > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com > > For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com > For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com > >
Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: EZMLM list management issues
I think I found the problem. Maybe. Last night I created a new list, and then I added and removed subscribers via the web interface and the command line (fixing the directory/file ownership after using the CLI as root) and I had no issues. I suspect the issue is that all of the lists in question are old, and were migrated via rsync from an older toaster. I suspect there is an incompatibility between the way the subscribers were stored with an older version of ezmlm vs the version I am running now. I plan to work with one of my friends, who owns several of the broken lists in question, to delete and re-create them. They'll lose any archived messages, but from my testing it seems the user lists will become manageable again. -Chris On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 5:30 AM Eric Broch wrote: > Sorry, it is actually working on mine from the command line. I was using > .org instead of .com mailing list. > > What version of ezmlm are you using? > > # rpm -qa |grep ezmlm > > On 3/3/2022 8:25 AM, Eric Broch wrote: > > I removed a subscriber through the qmailadmin interface, but couldn't > > at the command line. > > > > On 3/3/2022 3:36 AM, qmailtoas...@dukat.dk wrote: > >> I was hoping that Apache/qmailadmin would have given a clue when you > >> hit the trash. > >> > >> Are there illegal chars in the mailaddress? > >> > >> cd ~vpopmail/domains///subscribers > >> strings * | cat -vte > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Allan > >> > >> On 2022-03-03 01:44, Boheme wrote: > >>> But I can’t unsubscribe using the CLI tools, and there is no error > >>> output. > >>> > >>> -Sent from my Pip-Boy 3000 > >>> > On 3/03/2022, at 1:40 AM, qmailtoas...@dukat.dk wrote: > > Hi Chris > > Have you looked carefully for relevant information in web servers > log files? > > - Allan > > > On 2022-03-02 10:01, Chris Knight wrote: > > I’m still having ezmlm issues. I can’t delete users from the command > > line, from qmailadmin, or via email commands. Permissions on all > > files in the list directory are vpopmail:vchkpw > > Has anyone else encountered this? > > -Chris > >>> On Feb 6, 2022, at 7:45 AM, Chris Knight wrote: > >> I’ve got a toaster that has been running fine for a long while. > >> One of my friends who I host email for reported that they are > >> unable to unsubscribe someone from a mailing list they run. I > >> logged in, and tried to manually use the ezmlm-unsub command, and > >> yet the email address refuses to be removed from the mailing > >> list. I’ve checked permission in the [list]/subscribers/ > >> directory, and all files are owned by vpopmail:vchkpw > >> Has anyone else had problems with list management? > >> My package version is ezmlm-0.53.324-0.qt.el7.x86_64 > >> -Chris > >> > >> > >> - > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com > >> For additional commands, e-mail: > qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com > >> > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com > > For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com > For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com > >
Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: EZMLM list management issues
Sorry, it is actually working on mine from the command line. I was using .org instead of .com mailing list. What version of ezmlm are you using? # rpm -qa |grep ezmlm On 3/3/2022 8:25 AM, Eric Broch wrote: I removed a subscriber through the qmailadmin interface, but couldn't at the command line. On 3/3/2022 3:36 AM, qmailtoas...@dukat.dk wrote: I was hoping that Apache/qmailadmin would have given a clue when you hit the trash. Are there illegal chars in the mailaddress? cd ~vpopmail/domains///subscribers strings * | cat -vte Regards, Allan On 2022-03-03 01:44, Boheme wrote: But I can’t unsubscribe using the CLI tools, and there is no error output. -Sent from my Pip-Boy 3000 On 3/03/2022, at 1:40 AM, qmailtoas...@dukat.dk wrote: Hi Chris Have you looked carefully for relevant information in web servers log files? - Allan On 2022-03-02 10:01, Chris Knight wrote: I’m still having ezmlm issues. I can’t delete users from the command line, from qmailadmin, or via email commands. Permissions on all files in the list directory are vpopmail:vchkpw Has anyone else encountered this? -Chris On Feb 6, 2022, at 7:45 AM, Chris Knight wrote: I’ve got a toaster that has been running fine for a long while. One of my friends who I host email for reported that they are unable to unsubscribe someone from a mailing list they run. I logged in, and tried to manually use the ezmlm-unsub command, and yet the email address refuses to be removed from the mailing list. I’ve checked permission in the [list]/subscribers/ directory, and all files are owned by vpopmail:vchkpw Has anyone else had problems with list management? My package version is ezmlm-0.53.324-0.qt.el7.x86_64 -Chris - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: EZMLM list management issues
I removed a subscriber through the qmailadmin interface, but couldn't at the command line. On 3/3/2022 3:36 AM, qmailtoas...@dukat.dk wrote: I was hoping that Apache/qmailadmin would have given a clue when you hit the trash. Are there illegal chars in the mailaddress? cd ~vpopmail/domains///subscribers strings * | cat -vte Regards, Allan On 2022-03-03 01:44, Boheme wrote: But I can’t unsubscribe using the CLI tools, and there is no error output. -Sent from my Pip-Boy 3000 On 3/03/2022, at 1:40 AM, qmailtoas...@dukat.dk wrote: Hi Chris Have you looked carefully for relevant information in web servers log files? - Allan On 2022-03-02 10:01, Chris Knight wrote: I’m still having ezmlm issues. I can’t delete users from the command line, from qmailadmin, or via email commands. Permissions on all files in the list directory are vpopmail:vchkpw Has anyone else encountered this? -Chris On Feb 6, 2022, at 7:45 AM, Chris Knight wrote: I’ve got a toaster that has been running fine for a long while. One of my friends who I host email for reported that they are unable to unsubscribe someone from a mailing list they run. I logged in, and tried to manually use the ezmlm-unsub command, and yet the email address refuses to be removed from the mailing list. I’ve checked permission in the [list]/subscribers/ directory, and all files are owned by vpopmail:vchkpw Has anyone else had problems with list management? My package version is ezmlm-0.53.324-0.qt.el7.x86_64 -Chris - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: EZMLM list management issues
I was hoping that Apache/qmailadmin would have given a clue when you hit the trash. Are there illegal chars in the mailaddress? cd ~vpopmail/domains///subscribers strings * | cat -vte Regards, Allan On 2022-03-03 01:44, Boheme wrote: But I can’t unsubscribe using the CLI tools, and there is no error output. -Sent from my Pip-Boy 3000 On 3/03/2022, at 1:40 AM, qmailtoas...@dukat.dk wrote: Hi Chris Have you looked carefully for relevant information in web servers log files? - Allan On 2022-03-02 10:01, Chris Knight wrote: I’m still having ezmlm issues. I can’t delete users from the command line, from qmailadmin, or via email commands. Permissions on all files in the list directory are vpopmail:vchkpw Has anyone else encountered this? -Chris On Feb 6, 2022, at 7:45 AM, Chris Knight wrote: I’ve got a toaster that has been running fine for a long while. One of my friends who I host email for reported that they are unable to unsubscribe someone from a mailing list they run. I logged in, and tried to manually use the ezmlm-unsub command, and yet the email address refuses to be removed from the mailing list. I’ve checked permission in the [list]/subscribers/ directory, and all files are owned by vpopmail:vchkpw Has anyone else had problems with list management? My package version is ezmlm-0.53.324-0.qt.el7.x86_64 -Chris - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: EZMLM list management issues
But I can’t unsubscribe using the CLI tools, and there is no error output. -Sent from my Pip-Boy 3000 > On 3/03/2022, at 1:40 AM, qmailtoas...@dukat.dk wrote: > > Hi Chris > > Have you looked carefully for relevant information in web servers log files? > > - Allan > >> On 2022-03-02 10:01, Chris Knight wrote: >> I’m still having ezmlm issues. I can’t delete users from the command >> line, from qmailadmin, or via email commands. Permissions on all >> files in the list directory are vpopmail:vchkpw >> Has anyone else encountered this? >> -Chris On Feb 6, 2022, at 7:45 AM, Chris Knight wrote: >>> I’ve got a toaster that has been running fine for a long while. One of my >>> friends who I host email for reported that they are unable to unsubscribe >>> someone from a mailing list they run. I logged in, and tried to manually >>> use the ezmlm-unsub command, and yet the email address refuses to be >>> removed from the mailing list. I’ve checked permission in the >>> [list]/subscribers/ directory, and all files are owned by vpopmail:vchkpw >>> Has anyone else had problems with list management? >>> My package version is ezmlm-0.53.324-0.qt.el7.x86_64 >>> -Chris > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com > For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: EZMLM list management issues
Hi Chris Have you looked carefully for relevant information in web servers log files? - Allan On 2022-03-02 10:01, Chris Knight wrote: I’m still having ezmlm issues. I can’t delete users from the command line, from qmailadmin, or via email commands. Permissions on all files in the list directory are vpopmail:vchkpw Has anyone else encountered this? -Chris On Feb 6, 2022, at 7:45 AM, Chris Knight wrote: I’ve got a toaster that has been running fine for a long while. One of my friends who I host email for reported that they are unable to unsubscribe someone from a mailing list they run. I logged in, and tried to manually use the ezmlm-unsub command, and yet the email address refuses to be removed from the mailing list. I’ve checked permission in the [list]/subscribers/ directory, and all files are owned by vpopmail:vchkpw Has anyone else had problems with list management? My package version is ezmlm-0.53.324-0.qt.el7.x86_64 -Chris - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
[qmailtoaster] Re: EZMLM list management issues
I’m still having ezmlm issues. I can’t delete users from the command line, from qmailadmin, or via email commands. Permissions on all files in the list directory are vpopmail:vchkpw Has anyone else encountered this? -Chris > On Feb 6, 2022, at 7:45 AM, Chris Knight wrote: > > I’ve got a toaster that has been running fine for a long while. One of my > friends who I host email for reported that they are unable to unsubscribe > someone from a mailing list they run. I logged in, and tried to manually use > the ezmlm-unsub command, and yet the email address refuses to be removed from > the mailing list. I’ve checked permission in the [list]/subscribers/ > directory, and all files are owned by vpopmail:vchkpw > > Has anyone else had problems with list management? > > My package version is ezmlm-0.53.324-0.qt.el7.x86_64 > > -Chris - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
[qmailtoaster] Re: ezmlm warning
The new list host is sharing an IP address with some other mail. I need to get snat set up to separate it, and should have that done in the next day or two. Thanks for your patience. -- -Eric 'shubes' On 01/13/2014 06:34 AM, Noriyuki Hayashi wrote: Hi, I guess it is not just you. Our server also check the spamcop blacklist. So, it is not comming the messages from qmail roster mailing list. Regards, Nori It seems that spamcop is stopping 162.213.42.64 and some messages from qmailtoaster.com are getting bounced. Does anyone else have this problem or is it just me? Thanks, Mike - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com /_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Noriyuki .Hayashi Mobile 81-50-5838-8234 Skype nori0819 Mail：nhaya...@wats.gr.jp /_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
[qmailtoaster] Re: ezmlm-web on a toaster
dnk wrote: Has anyone run ezmlm-web on a toaster? Thank you DNK Not me. I use mailman. :) http://wiki.qmailtoaster.com/index.php/Mailman -- -Eric 'shubes' - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: EZMLM and SmartHosts
On Friday 28 May 2010 12:00 AM, Eric Shubert wrote: Bharath Chari wrote: Hi, Im using ezmlm on a qmailtoaster box with Smart Host set up? I'm getting rejects from the smart host of the form (from /var/log/qmail/send): failure:Connected_to_xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx_but_sender_was_rejected./Remote_host_said:_501_class-return-1-abc=example@lists.example2.com _AUTH=class-return-1-abc=example@lists.example2.com :_malformed_address:_AUTH=class-return-1-abc=examp_may_not_follow_class-return-1-abc=example@example2.com_/ @40004bfdfb6902f78f44 delivery 9646: failure: Delivery to local domains works fine. Needless to say, regular mail goes fine via the smarthost. Bharath - I don't know about ezmlm, but it appears that it uses the stock delivery mechanism. What's in your /var/qmail/control/smtproutes file? My smtproutes file has my smarthost information in the form - :example.com username password (of course with my correct domain and user information). Like I said earlier, it's only ezmlm that's giving me a problem. I will try without the smarthost, and see if there's a difference. Bharath - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
[qmailtoaster] Re: EZMLM and SmartHosts
Bharath Chari wrote: On Friday 28 May 2010 12:00 AM, Eric Shubert wrote: Bharath Chari wrote: Hi, Im using ezmlm on a qmailtoaster box with Smart Host set up? I'm getting rejects from the smart host of the form (from /var/log/qmail/send): failure:Connected_to_xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx_but_sender_was_rejected./Remote_host_said:_501_class-return-1-abc=example@lists.example2.com _AUTH=class-return-1-abc=example@lists.example2.com :_malformed_address:_AUTH=class-return-1-abc=examp_may_not_follow_class-return-1-abc=example@example2.com_/ @40004bfdfb6902f78f44 delivery 9646: failure: Delivery to local domains works fine. Needless to say, regular mail goes fine via the smarthost. Bharath - I don't know about ezmlm, but it appears that it uses the stock delivery mechanism. What's in your /var/qmail/control/smtproutes file? My smtproutes file has my smarthost information in the form - :example.com username password (of course with my correct domain and user information). Like I said earlier, it's only ezmlm that's giving me a problem. I will try without the smarthost, and see if there's a difference. Bharath - After more careful examination, it appears that the smarthost you're using doesn't like the sender address that ezmlm uses. mailformed address is in the failure message. What exactly it doesn't like is hard to say since you've obscured the message. I'm guessing that the smarthost isn't able to handle ezmlm lists (or perhaps any email lists). I would look to the smarthost for a solution. What software is the smarthost running? -- -Eric 'shubes' - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
[qmailtoaster] Re: EZMLM and SmartHosts
Bharath Chari wrote: Hi, Im using ezmlm on a qmailtoaster box with Smart Host set up? I'm getting rejects from the smart host of the form (from /var/log/qmail/send): failure:Connected_to_xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx_but_sender_was_rejected./Remote_host_said:_501_class-return-1-abc=example@lists.example2.com _AUTH=class-return-1-abc=example@lists.example2.com :_malformed_address:_AUTH=class-return-1-abc=examp_may_not_follow_class-return-1-abc=example@example2.com_/ @40004bfdfb6902f78f44 delivery 9646: failure: Delivery to local domains works fine. Needless to say, regular mail goes fine via the smarthost. Bharath - I don't know about ezmlm, but it appears that it uses the stock delivery mechanism. What's in your /var/qmail/control/smtproutes file? -- -Eric 'shubes' - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
[qmailtoaster] Re: ezmlm-web
information on user authentication can be obtained from the Apache documentation (http://www.apache.org) and ApacheWeek (http://www.apacheweek.com/features/userauth). 5.1 Ensure that your Apache setup will allow .htaccess file to control access in the directory that contains. This is controlled by the AllowOverride tag in access.conf. (Also ensure you have the necessary Apache modules installed) 5.2 Create a htpasswd file. This is done using the htpasswd command that comes with Apache. Its command line syntax is; htpasswd [-c] passwordfile username You need to put the passwordfile somewhere that is not accessible by people through the web, and create an entry for each user you want to have access ... See the ApacheWeek article for more details. 5.3 Create a .htaccess file in the directory that contains index.cgi. Note that using Apache's built in access control, you can only control access to directories, not individual files, hence the need for a sub-directory in step 5. The format of the .htaccess file should be along the lines of this; AuthName EZ Mailing List Manager AuthType Basic AuthUserFile /path/to/passwordfile require valid-user # or require user username You may use examples/htaccess.dist as a template. Again, see the ApacheWeek article for details. 6. You may skip this step if you manage only one directory containing mailing lists. For more than one domain or multiple user directories you should follow the instructions below. BEWARE: this is an advanced setting. 1) copy examples/multidomain.conf.dist to /etc/ezmlm-web/multidomain.conf 2) add your mailing list parent directories to this file 3) uncomment the respective line in your ezmlmwebrc file The web interface should now show a Change domain link in the navigation bar to the left. Direct links to a specifc domain use the following format: http://BASE_URL/ezmlm-web?domain=foo Note that since version 3.3 webusers file has to explictly let users create and manage lists. If you are relying on the user beeing able to create lists if no webusers file exists, then you will have to explicitly create one with the appropiate permissions. 7. Copy the stylesheet files (/usr/local/share/ezmlm-web/www-data/*.css) to a location of your choice. It has to be accessible by an URL - maybe a place like /var/www/ezmlm-web/ could be appropriate. Now you may have to adapt the HTML_CSS_COMMON and HTML_CSS_COLOR settings in your ezmlmwebrc file. Alternatively you can also use the mapping feature of your web server. Take a look at examples/apache.conf.dist for an example. 8. Test the installation with your favourite web browser. You should be asked for a username and password (supplied in 6.2) and then be presented with a screen entitled ezmlm-web. You can then try to create and edit mailing lists ... Have Fun :) If you see a slightly disordered screen, the you probably did not set the HTML_CSS_COMMON option correctly. Check it again. If you do not see a colorful screen, then you probably did not set the HTML_CSS_COLOR option correctly. Check it again. 9. If anything failes - take a look at the web server's error log (e.g. /var/log/apache/error.log). -Original Message- From: Eric Shubert [mailto:e...@shubes.net] Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 10:13 AM To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Subject: [qmailtoaster] Re: ezmlm-web MagicWISP Sales wrote: Has anybody setup ezmlm-web? I read about it on the mailing list, but never saw a definitive answer on an installation. I would prefer to stick with ezmlm just because it comes with the toaster, and it works for the one customer I have that uses it. The demo looks awesome, especially the fact that it allows admins the ease of importing txt files. I have a list owner that has troubles doing anything more than sending or receiving email. She has no clues about computers. Luckily that's not her job. We host her mail and she uses the email list extensively. Looking at the interface - it's very intuitive. The installation though is not. I am reading the install file, and to be honest I am just confused for some reason. Can somebody point me in the right direction to add this to my toaster? Jack Which mailing list did you read about it on? I don't recall seeing anything about that here, but it's certainly possible, as I use mailman myself. Will you please post the install file and identify the part(s) you don't understand? Also, a link to the source might be useful in helping you. We'll see if we can't
RE: [qmailtoaster] Re: ezmlm-web
Eric, I'm looking at using either Mailman or PHPList on my QMT. I send out a one to many (approx 5,000 subscribers) newsletter. Do you have an opinion as to which of these would work most efficiently? I tried PHPList before on a non QMT and it seemed that there was a big server load and the email blast took hours to complete. It could be that I didn't have my email server configured well (I am very green at all of this). I send out time sensitive information and would like to get it out to my subscribers quickly. Any thoughts? Todd -Original Message- From: Eric Shubert [mailto:e...@shubes.net] Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 4:49 PM To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Subject: [qmailtoaster] Re: ezmlm-web I would try the ezmlm-web list for help (https://systemausfall.org/mail-archive/?2) Looks like it'd be a nice addition to QMT. Perhaps this could be included in a future release of the ezmlm-toaster package. Thinking long term though, I believe that Mailman is a better choice for mailing list software though. It's much more robust, and is in active development (v3 should be available later this year). For those interested in using Mailman with QMT, I've written a page on the wiki which explains how to do so: http://wiki.qmailtoaster.com/index.php/Mailman -- -Eric 'shubes' MagicWISP Sales wrote: I read about it on this list as a possible add on to ezmlm. INSTALL file included with the package is below. Seems simple enough, file placement has me bumfuzzled though. That and #3, since VPOPMAIL is in use, and there is more than one domain, where do I put the $LIST_DIR? Shubes to the rescue as usual - LOL. Here is the link for the project - it makes a very nice interface for EZMLM: https://systemausfall.org/toolforge/ezmlm-web/ The following notes will guide you through the installation of ezmlm-web: $Id: INSTALL 447 2008-10-15 22:31:23Z lars $ OVERVIEW: 0 - important notes 1 - get it 2 - install executable and shared files 3 - configuration file 4 - create a suid cgi wrapper 5 - [optional] configure access control (http authentication) 6 - [optional] configure multi domain support 7 - css stylesheet file 8 - final test 9 - troubleshooting 10 - report problems -- 0. IMPORTANT: you need the perl module Mail::Ezmlm and others to use ezmlm-web! The file README contains the complete list of necessary modules. 1. Choose a distribution form 1a) source installation Get ezmlm-web and extract the archive: tar xzf ezmlm-web-3.x.tar.gz (for source installation continue with step 2) 1b) debian package This is the (by far) most convenient way to install ezmlm-web. Add the following line to your /etc/apt/sources.list file: deb http://systemausfall.org/toolforge/debian/ testing main contrib Now you can install it: aptitude update aptitude install ezmlm-web (debian users may stop reading here) 2. Execute the following lines to install the cgi script and the shared data files to the appropriate locations. perl Makefile.PL make make install 3. Edit the examples/ezmlmwebrc.dist file and alter the variables to suit your particular system. Be careful about the $LIST_DIR variable. This script assumes that all users store their mailing lists in the same sub directory of the home directory (eg ~/lists). You can override this for an individual user by recompiling the C wrapper to call ezmlm-web.cgi with a -d option. Other configurable options are documented in the ezmlmwebrc file itself. I have tried to keep the amount of information that you need to supply to a minimum and also make reasonable guesses about default values. Finally, copy the ezmlmwebrc file to one of the following places: 1) the home directory of the user that runs ezmlm-web.cgi (~/.ezmlmwebrc) 2) /etc/ezmlm-web/ezmlmwebrc 3) /etc/ezmlm/ezmlmwebrc [deprecated] (ezmlm-web will look for it in these places in the given order) See the manpage of ezmlmwebrc (5) for a complete description of all configuration settings. 4. For every user/virtual host that needs to manage mailing lists, you need to create a suid wrapper owned by the user whom the mailing lists belong to. This wrapper needs to reside somewhere accessible by the web server. I suggest that you put it in a sub directory of each user/virtual host's home directory (eg. /home/luser/public_html/ezmlm for Apache). Create a suid wrapper
RE: [qmailtoaster] Re: ezmlm-web
How is the list administered in Mailmain? That is my biggest thing. The customer that uses it really needs ease of use with very little training. What about adding a txt file with the users - is that possible? How about viewing archives online, that is something she wants, that I haven't implemented yet. -Original Message- From: Eric Shubert [mailto:e...@shubes.net] Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 5:49 PM To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Subject: [qmailtoaster] Re: ezmlm-web I would try the ezmlm-web list for help (https://systemausfall.org/mail-archive/?2) Looks like it'd be a nice addition to QMT. Perhaps this could be included in a future release of the ezmlm-toaster package. Thinking long term though, I believe that Mailman is a better choice for mailing list software though. It's much more robust, and is in active development (v3 should be available later this year). For those interested in using Mailman with QMT, I've written a page on the wiki which explains how to do so: http://wiki.qmailtoaster.com/index.php/Mailman -- -Eric 'shubes' MagicWISP Sales wrote: I read about it on this list as a possible add on to ezmlm. INSTALL file included with the package is below. Seems simple enough, file placement has me bumfuzzled though. That and #3, since VPOPMAIL is in use, and there is more than one domain, where do I put the $LIST_DIR? Shubes to the rescue as usual - LOL. Here is the link for the project - it makes a very nice interface for EZMLM: https://systemausfall.org/toolforge/ezmlm-web/ The following notes will guide you through the installation of ezmlm-web: $Id: INSTALL 447 2008-10-15 22:31:23Z lars $ OVERVIEW: 0 - important notes 1 - get it 2 - install executable and shared files 3 - configuration file 4 - create a suid cgi wrapper 5 - [optional] configure access control (http authentication) 6 - [optional] configure multi domain support 7 - css stylesheet file 8 - final test 9 - troubleshooting 10 - report problems -- -- -- 0. IMPORTANT: you need the perl module Mail::Ezmlm and others to use ezmlm-web! The file README contains the complete list of necessary modules. 1. Choose a distribution form 1a) source installation Get ezmlm-web and extract the archive: tar xzf ezmlm-web-3.x.tar.gz (for source installation continue with step 2) 1b) debian package This is the (by far) most convenient way to install ezmlm-web. Add the following line to your /etc/apt/sources.list file: deb http://systemausfall.org/toolforge/debian/ testing main contrib Now you can install it: aptitude update aptitude install ezmlm-web (debian users may stop reading here) 2. Execute the following lines to install the cgi script and the shared data files to the appropriate locations. perl Makefile.PL make make install 3. Edit the examples/ezmlmwebrc.dist file and alter the variables to suit your particular system. Be careful about the $LIST_DIR variable. This script assumes that all users store their mailing lists in the same sub directory of the home directory (eg ~/lists). You can override this for an individual user by recompiling the C wrapper to call ezmlm-web.cgi with a -d option. Other configurable options are documented in the ezmlmwebrc file itself. I have tried to keep the amount of information that you need to supply to a minimum and also make reasonable guesses about default values. Finally, copy the ezmlmwebrc file to one of the following places: 1) the home directory of the user that runs ezmlm-web.cgi (~/.ezmlmwebrc) 2) /etc/ezmlm-web/ezmlmwebrc 3) /etc/ezmlm/ezmlmwebrc [deprecated] (ezmlm-web will look for it in these places in the given order) See the manpage of ezmlmwebrc (5) for a complete description of all configuration settings. 4. For every user/virtual host that needs to manage mailing lists, you need to create a suid wrapper owned by the user whom the mailing lists belong to. This wrapper needs to reside somewhere accessible by the web server. I suggest that you put it in a sub directory of each user/virtual host's home directory (eg. /home/luser/public_html/ezmlm for Apache). Create a suid wrapper by issuing the following command: ezmlm-web-make-suid The copies don't actually have to be called index.cgi, but it is nice for web servers that can resolve a cgi script as an index page
[qmailtoaster] Re: ezmlm-web
Hey Todd. While I'm not really familiar with PHPList, I believe that the mailing transport software and configuration will be the limiting factor regarding how fast you can get the emails delivered. I don't think the list software you use will have any significant impact on efficiency. The list software submits messages to the MTA (often internally to the same host), which then queues them up for delivery, which is where your bottleneck will occur. You'll probably want to adjust /var/qmail/control/concurrencyremote upwards to be able to send out more emails concurrently, until you hit a resource limit, such as cpu, memory or bandwidth. There are perhaps others on this list with experience sending out large numbers of messages, and can give more specific recommendations. -- -Eric 'shubes' Todd Beckstead wrote: Eric, I'm looking at using either Mailman or PHPList on my QMT. I send out a one to many (approx 5,000 subscribers) newsletter. Do you have an opinion as to which of these would work most efficiently? I tried PHPList before on a non QMT and it seemed that there was a big server load and the email blast took hours to complete. It could be that I didn't have my email server configured well (I am very green at all of this). I send out time sensitive information and would like to get it out to my subscribers quickly. Any thoughts? Todd -Original Message- From: Eric Shubert [mailto:e...@shubes.net] Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 4:49 PM To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Subject: [qmailtoaster] Re: ezmlm-web I would try the ezmlm-web list for help (https://systemausfall.org/mail-archive/?2) Looks like it'd be a nice addition to QMT. Perhaps this could be included in a future release of the ezmlm-toaster package. Thinking long term though, I believe that Mailman is a better choice for mailing list software though. It's much more robust, and is in active development (v3 should be available later this year). For those interested in using Mailman with QMT, I've written a page on the wiki which explains how to do so: http://wiki.qmailtoaster.com/index.php/Mailman - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
[qmailtoaster] Re: ezmlm-web
MagicWISP Sales wrote: How is the list administered in Mailmain? It's all done via web pages. That is my biggest thing. The customer that uses it really needs ease of use with very little training. While the administrative interface is web based, it can be a little daunting at first because there are a lot of options, which naturally comes with a comprehensive product. It's really quite simple and easy to use though, and I believe that the training curve is small. What about adding a txt file with the users - is that possible? There's not much that is not possible. It has a mass-add feature. You can mass-add subscriptions, mass-add invitations, etc. The list administrator can maintain subscriptions, and subscribers can maintain their own preferences. You can set the list up to operate just about any way you like. Mailman is very robust. How about viewing archives online, that is something she wants, that I haven't implemented yet. Yes, there are archives available. You can make them public or private. -- -Eric 'shubes' -Original Message- From: Eric Shubert [mailto:e...@shubes.net] Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 5:49 PM To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Subject: [qmailtoaster] Re: ezmlm-web I would try the ezmlm-web list for help (https://systemausfall.org/mail-archive/?2) Looks like it'd be a nice addition to QMT. Perhaps this could be included in a future release of the ezmlm-toaster package. Thinking long term though, I believe that Mailman is a better choice for mailing list software though. It's much more robust, and is in active development (v3 should be available later this year). For those interested in using Mailman with QMT, I've written a page on the wiki which explains how to do so: http://wiki.qmailtoaster.com/index.php/Mailman -- -Eric 'shubes' MagicWISP Sales wrote: I read about it on this list as a possible add on to ezmlm. INSTALL file included with the package is below. Seems simple enough, file placement has me bumfuzzled though. That and #3, since VPOPMAIL is in use, and there is more than one domain, where do I put the $LIST_DIR? Shubes to the rescue as usual - LOL. Here is the link for the project - it makes a very nice interface for EZMLM: https://systemausfall.org/toolforge/ezmlm-web/ The following notes will guide you through the installation of ezmlm-web: $Id: INSTALL 447 2008-10-15 22:31:23Z lars $ OVERVIEW: 0 - important notes 1 - get it 2 - install executable and shared files 3 - configuration file 4 - create a suid cgi wrapper 5 - [optional] configure access control (http authentication) 6 - [optional] configure multi domain support 7 - css stylesheet file 8 - final test 9 - troubleshooting 10 - report problems -- -- -- 0. IMPORTANT: you need the perl module Mail::Ezmlm and others to use ezmlm-web! The file README contains the complete list of necessary modules. 1. Choose a distribution form 1a) source installation Get ezmlm-web and extract the archive: tar xzf ezmlm-web-3.x.tar.gz (for source installation continue with step 2) 1b) debian package This is the (by far) most convenient way to install ezmlm-web. Add the following line to your /etc/apt/sources.list file: deb http://systemausfall.org/toolforge/debian/ testing main contrib Now you can install it: aptitude update aptitude install ezmlm-web (debian users may stop reading here) 2. Execute the following lines to install the cgi script and the shared data files to the appropriate locations. perl Makefile.PL make make install 3. Edit the examples/ezmlmwebrc.dist file and alter the variables to suit your particular system. Be careful about the $LIST_DIR variable. This script assumes that all users store their mailing lists in the same sub directory of the home directory (eg ~/lists). You can override this for an individual user by recompiling the C wrapper to call ezmlm-web.cgi with a -d option. Other configurable options are documented in the ezmlmwebrc file itself. I have tried to keep the amount of information that you need to supply to a minimum and also make reasonable guesses about default values. Finally, copy the ezmlmwebrc file to one of the following places: 1) the home directory of the user that runs ezmlm-web.cgi (~/.ezmlmwebrc) 2) /etc/ezmlm-web/ezmlmwebrc 3) /etc/ezmlm/ezmlmwebrc [deprecated] (ezmlm-web will look for it in these places in the given order) See the manpage of ezmlmwebrc (5) for a complete description of all configuration settings. 4
RE: [qmailtoaster] Re: ezmlm-web
Thanks for your input Eric! Any other thoughts fom others? Todd Beckstead Via Treo Smartphone -Original Message- From: Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 9:31 PM To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Subject: [qmailtoaster] Re: ezmlm-web Hey Todd. While I'm not really familiar with PHPList, I believe that the mailing transport software and configuration will be the limiting factor regarding how fast you can get the emails delivered. I don't think the list software you use will have any significant impact on efficiency. The list software submits messages to the MTA (often internally to the same host), which then queues them up for delivery, which is where your bottleneck will occur. You'll probably want to adjust /var/qmail/control/concurrencyremote upwards to be able to send out more emails concurrently, until you hit a resource limit, such as cpu, memory or bandwidth. There are perhaps others on this list with experience sending out large numbers of messages, and can give more specific recommendations. -- -Eric 'shubes' Todd Beckstead wrote: Eric, I'm looking at using either Mailman or PHPList on my QMT. I send out a one to many (approx 5,000 subscribers) newsletter. Do you have an opinion as to which of these would work most efficiently? I tried PHPList before on a non QMT and it seemed that there was a big server load and the email blast took hours to complete. It could be that I didn't have my email server configured well (I am very green at all of this). I send out time sensitive information and would like to get it out to my subscribers quickly. Any thoughts? Todd -Original Message- From: Eric Shubert [mailto:e...@shubes.net] Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 4:49 PM To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Subject: [qmailtoaster] Re: ezmlm-web I would try the ezmlm-web list for help (https://systemausfall.org/mail-archive/?2) Looks like it'd be a nice addition to QMT. Perhaps this could be included in a future release of the ezmlm-toaster package. Thinking long term though, I believe that Mailman is a better choice for mailing list software though. It's much more robust, and is in active development (v3 should be available later this year). For those interested in using Mailman with QMT, I've written a page on the wiki which explains how to do so: http://wiki.qmailtoaster.com/index.php/Mailman - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: EZMLM
My only issue is that this particular user is a Windows user and would never be able to use CLI The web interface or client application (like t-bird, etc.) is a must. Does EZMLM have a web interface?I remember seeing the mailing list option in Qmailadmin, but when I looked yesterday I didn't see it. I remembered where it is and will investigate further. I only have one client that wants to do this and it's not that pressing that he have this option. It would be nice for me to know how for general knowledge, but it's not a (to quote Tina Fey) dealbreaker. Is one more secure than the other? Thanks for all your help as always! Have a great Thanksgiving. CJ Eric Shubert wrote: Jake Vickers wrote: Maxwell Smart wrote: I am not sure EZMLM would work anyways. From what I read it needs you to subscribe to a list. This customer wants simply to send 100 e mails at one time. Which would be appropriate? It sounds to me like EZMLM is for lists, like this one. Am I interpreting this correctly? ezmlm is ezmlm. Qmailtoaster does not do anything special for it, so any documents you read on ezmlm will apply. You can manually add users to the mailing list without going through the whole subscribe process. In qmailadmin, click mailing lists, create one, and then click add subscribers. Add a user. The user does not receive any confirmation emails. Then send a message to that mailing list and the user will then get it. You will need to give the user access to qmailadmin however, so they can manage the list easily. There are also commands you can send to the list to do the same functions, but unless you're really savvy then this can be very difficult (for example, send an email to List-Help: mailto:qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com and see what you get back) If you need to bulk import addresses, then I have a writeup on the wiki on how to do that from the CLI. There are some other web based admin utils for controlling ezmlm or giving admin access to lists to certain users, but I have not investigated any of these solutions myself. As Eric mentioned, mailman may also be a source. I find ezmlm easier to setup and manage in general, but if you can convince your user to only go into certain tabs in mailman then it may be a better choice for non-technical users. I don't know what Jake's talking about regarding certain tabs in mailman. Mailman has a pretty extensive security model. You can assign list ownership to the user, and then they can control the list in whatever way they like using the provided web interface. The biggest drawback I know of with mailman is a moderate learning curve, as there are a lot of options. As always though, you don't get something for nothing. -- Cecil Yother, Jr. cj cj's 2318 Clement Ave Alameda, CA 94501 tel 510.865.2787 | fax 510.864.7300 http://yother.com - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
[qmailtoaster] Re: EZMLM
Maxwell Smart wrote: My only issue is that this particular user is a Windows user and would never be able to use CLI The web interface or client application (like t-bird, etc.) is a must. Does EZMLM have a web interface?I remember seeing the mailing list option in Qmailadmin, but when I looked yesterday I didn't see it. Only what's available in qmailadmin. As Jake alluded to, you'll need to trust your client will only do what's needed there, as you'll need to give them postmaster authority. I remembered where it is and will investigate further. I only have one client that wants to do this and it's not that pressing that he have this option. It would be nice for me to know how for general knowledge, but it's not a (to quote Tina Fey) dealbreaker. Is one more secure than the other? Not that I'm aware of. Thanks for all your help as always! Sure. BL, if ezmlm is suitable, use it. It's already there and ready to go. If your client needs a simpler or more extensive interface for managing lists, I'd go with mailman. Have a great Thanksgiving. CJ Eric Shubert wrote: Jake Vickers wrote: Maxwell Smart wrote: I am not sure EZMLM would work anyways. From what I read it needs you to subscribe to a list. This customer wants simply to send 100 e mails at one time. Which would be appropriate? It sounds to me like EZMLM is for lists, like this one. Am I interpreting this correctly? ezmlm is ezmlm. Qmailtoaster does not do anything special for it, so any documents you read on ezmlm will apply. You can manually add users to the mailing list without going through the whole subscribe process. In qmailadmin, click mailing lists, create one, and then click add subscribers. Add a user. The user does not receive any confirmation emails. Then send a message to that mailing list and the user will then get it. You will need to give the user access to qmailadmin however, so they can manage the list easily. There are also commands you can send to the list to do the same functions, but unless you're really savvy then this can be very difficult (for example, send an email to List-Help: mailto:qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com and see what you get back) If you need to bulk import addresses, then I have a writeup on the wiki on how to do that from the CLI. There are some other web based admin utils for controlling ezmlm or giving admin access to lists to certain users, but I have not investigated any of these solutions myself. As Eric mentioned, mailman may also be a source. I find ezmlm easier to setup and manage in general, but if you can convince your user to only go into certain tabs in mailman then it may be a better choice for non-technical users. I don't know what Jake's talking about regarding certain tabs in mailman. Mailman has a pretty extensive security model. You can assign list ownership to the user, and then they can control the list in whatever way they like using the provided web interface. The biggest drawback I know of with mailman is a moderate learning curve, as there are a lot of options. As always though, you don't get something for nothing. -- -Eric 'shubes' - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: EZMLM
Eric, I only use the qmailadmin to manage these list but it would be nice to have a better interface. Can I migrate my existing list to mailman easily? TM Dave Eric Shubert wrote: Maxwell Smart wrote: My only issue is that this particular user is a Windows user and would never be able to use CLI The web interface or client application (like t-bird, etc.) is a must. Does EZMLM have a web interface?I remember seeing the mailing list option in Qmailadmin, but when I looked yesterday I didn't see it. Only what's available in qmailadmin. As Jake alluded to, you'll need to trust your client will only do what's needed there, as you'll need to give them postmaster authority. I remembered where it is and will investigate further. I only have one client that wants to do this and it's not that pressing that he have this option. It would be nice for me to know how for general knowledge, but it's not a (to quote Tina Fey) dealbreaker. Is one more secure than the other? Not that I'm aware of. Thanks for all your help as always! Sure. BL, if ezmlm is suitable, use it. It's already there and ready to go. If your client needs a simpler or more extensive interface for managing lists, I'd go with mailman. Have a great Thanksgiving. CJ Eric Shubert wrote: Jake Vickers wrote: Maxwell Smart wrote: I am not sure EZMLM would work anyways. From what I read it needs you to subscribe to a list. This customer wants simply to send 100 e mails at one time. Which would be appropriate? It sounds to me like EZMLM is for lists, like this one. Am I interpreting this correctly? ezmlm is ezmlm. Qmailtoaster does not do anything special for it, so any documents you read on ezmlm will apply. You can manually add users to the mailing list without going through the whole subscribe process. In qmailadmin, click mailing lists, create one, and then click add subscribers. Add a user. The user does not receive any confirmation emails. Then send a message to that mailing list and the user will then get it. You will need to give the user access to qmailadmin however, so they can manage the list easily. There are also commands you can send to the list to do the same functions, but unless you're really savvy then this can be very difficult (for example, send an email to List-Help: mailto:qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com and see what you get back) If you need to bulk import addresses, then I have a writeup on the wiki on how to do that from the CLI. There are some other web based admin utils for controlling ezmlm or giving admin access to lists to certain users, but I have not investigated any of these solutions myself. As Eric mentioned, mailman may also be a source. I find ezmlm easier to setup and manage in general, but if you can convince your user to only go into certain tabs in mailman then it may be a better choice for non-technical users. I don't know what Jake's talking about regarding certain tabs in mailman. Mailman has a pretty extensive security model. You can assign list ownership to the user, and then they can control the list in whatever way they like using the provided web interface. The biggest drawback I know of with mailman is a moderate learning curve, as there are a lot of options. As always though, you don't get something for nothing. - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
[qmailtoaster] Re: EZMLM
I'm not sure how easy that is. If it's just one list, it wouldn't be too tough to do manually. There is a bulk add user capability with mailman. There was a little talk about migrating from ezmlm to mailman on this list when I first posted the mailman wiki page, this past spring (iirc). I would review that, then google. I'm sure that others have migrated lists from ezmlm to mailman. ezmlm and mailman should run side by side ok, but I'm not sure about what would happen with the same list defined both places. You'll need to do some digging on that. Just be sure that the messages get sent to the right place (mailman|ezmlm). -- -Eric 'shubes' David Milholen wrote: Eric, I only use the qmailadmin to manage these list but it would be nice to have a better interface. Can I migrate my existing list to mailman easily? TM Dave Eric Shubert wrote: Maxwell Smart wrote: My only issue is that this particular user is a Windows user and would never be able to use CLI The web interface or client application (like t-bird, etc.) is a must. Does EZMLM have a web interface?I remember seeing the mailing list option in Qmailadmin, but when I looked yesterday I didn't see it. Only what's available in qmailadmin. As Jake alluded to, you'll need to trust your client will only do what's needed there, as you'll need to give them postmaster authority. I remembered where it is and will investigate further. I only have one client that wants to do this and it's not that pressing that he have this option. It would be nice for me to know how for general knowledge, but it's not a (to quote Tina Fey) dealbreaker. Is one more secure than the other? Not that I'm aware of. Thanks for all your help as always! Sure. BL, if ezmlm is suitable, use it. It's already there and ready to go. If your client needs a simpler or more extensive interface for managing lists, I'd go with mailman. Have a great Thanksgiving. CJ Eric Shubert wrote: Jake Vickers wrote: Maxwell Smart wrote: I am not sure EZMLM would work anyways. From what I read it needs you to subscribe to a list. This customer wants simply to send 100 e mails at one time. Which would be appropriate? It sounds to me like EZMLM is for lists, like this one. Am I interpreting this correctly? ezmlm is ezmlm. Qmailtoaster does not do anything special for it, so any documents you read on ezmlm will apply. You can manually add users to the mailing list without going through the whole subscribe process. In qmailadmin, click mailing lists, create one, and then click add subscribers. Add a user. The user does not receive any confirmation emails. Then send a message to that mailing list and the user will then get it. You will need to give the user access to qmailadmin however, so they can manage the list easily. There are also commands you can send to the list to do the same functions, but unless you're really savvy then this can be very difficult (for example, send an email to List-Help: mailto:qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com and see what you get back) If you need to bulk import addresses, then I have a writeup on the wiki on how to do that from the CLI. There are some other web based admin utils for controlling ezmlm or giving admin access to lists to certain users, but I have not investigated any of these solutions myself. As Eric mentioned, mailman may also be a source. I find ezmlm easier to setup and manage in general, but if you can convince your user to only go into certain tabs in mailman then it may be a better choice for non-technical users. I don't know what Jake's talking about regarding certain tabs in mailman. Mailman has a pretty extensive security model. You can assign list ownership to the user, and then they can control the list in whatever way they like using the provided web interface. The biggest drawback I know of with mailman is a moderate learning curve, as there are a lot of options. As always though, you don't get something for nothing. -- -Eric 'shubes' - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: EZMLM
Ok, Ill take a look I have only know ezmlm.. Ill look into mailman because it may make our admins a little happier on managing it. TM Dave Eric Shubert wrote: I'm not sure how easy that is. If it's just one list, it wouldn't be too tough to do manually. There is a bulk add user capability with mailman. There was a little talk about migrating from ezmlm to mailman on this list when I first posted the mailman wiki page, this past spring (iirc). I would review that, then google. I'm sure that others have migrated lists from ezmlm to mailman. ezmlm and mailman should run side by side ok, but I'm not sure about what would happen with the same list defined both places. You'll need to do some digging on that. Just be sure that the messages get sent to the right place (mailman|ezmlm). - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
[qmailtoaster] Re: EZMLM
I'm sure it would. ;) David Milholen wrote: Ok, Ill take a look I have only know ezmlm.. Ill look into mailman because it may make our admins a little happier on managing it. TM Dave Eric Shubert wrote: I'm not sure how easy that is. If it's just one list, it wouldn't be too tough to do manually. There is a bulk add user capability with mailman. There was a little talk about migrating from ezmlm to mailman on this list when I first posted the mailman wiki page, this past spring (iirc). I would review that, then google. I'm sure that others have migrated lists from ezmlm to mailman. ezmlm and mailman should run side by side ok, but I'm not sure about what would happen with the same list defined both places. You'll need to do some digging on that. Just be sure that the messages get sent to the right place (mailman|ezmlm). - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! -- -Eric 'shubes' - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
[qmailtoaster] re: EZMLM
Is there any place one can find out how to use the EZMLM included with the ISO toaster? CJ -- Cecil Yother, Jr. "cj" cj's 2318 Clement Ave Alameda, CA 94501 tel 1.510.865.2787 | fax 1.510.864.7300 http://yother.com - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] re: EZMLM
On Nov 23, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Maxwell Smart wrote: Is there any place one can find out how to use the EZMLM included with the ISO toaster? do you have a specific issue that isn't covered by one of the first four Google hits for 'ezmlm'? you also may want to check http://wiki.qmailtoaster.com/ . -steve -- If this were played upon a stage now, I could condemn it as an improbable fiction. - Fabian, Twelfth Night, III,v http://five.sentenc.es PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [qmailtoaster] re: EZMLM
I only did a google search on Howto EZMLM qmailtoaster and it was not helpful. The wiki is pretty much useless for EZMLM howto. Maybe you could add some content there to make it easier for toaster users to get started. :) I will read the Users manual on the EZMLM site. Steve Huff wrote: On Nov 23, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Maxwell Smart wrote: Is there any place one can find out how to use the EZMLM included with the ISO toaster? do you have a specific issue that isn't covered by one of the first four Google hits for 'ezmlm'? you also may want to check http://wiki.qmailtoaster.com/. -steve -- If this were played upon a stage now, I could condemn it as an improbable fiction. - Fabian, Twelfth Night, III,v http://five.sentenc.es -- Cecil Yother, Jr. "cj" cj's 2318 Clement Ave Alameda, CA 94501 tel 1.510.865.2787 | fax 1.510.864.7300 http://yother.com - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: EZMLM
I am not sure EZMLM would work anyways. From what I read it needs you to subscribe to a list. This customer wants simply to send 100 e mails at one time. Which would be appropriate? It sounds to me like EZMLM is for lists, like this one. Am I interpreting this correctly? Eric Shubert wrote: If you're getting ready to use ezmlm, be sure to consider mailman as well. It's much more user friendly. I've written a page on the wiki regarding how to implement it with QMT. Maxwell Smart wrote: I only did a google search on Howto EZMLM qmailtoaster and it was not helpful. The wiki is pretty much useless for EZMLM howto. Maybe you could add some content there to make it easier for toaster users to get started. :) I will read the Users manual on the EZMLM site. Steve Huff wrote: On Nov 23, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Maxwell Smart wrote: Is there any place one can find out how to use the EZMLM included with the ISO toaster? do you have a specific issue that isn't covered by one of the first four Google hits for 'ezmlm'? you also may want to check http://wiki.qmailtoaster.com/. -steve -- If this were played upon a stage now, I could condemn it as an improbable fiction. - Fabian, Twelfth Night, III,v http://five.sentenc.es -- Cecil Yother, Jr. "cj" cj's 2318 Clement Ave Alameda, CA 94501 tel 1.510.865.2787 | fax 1.510.864.7300 http://yother.com - -- Cecil Yother, Jr. "cj" cj's 2318 Clement Ave Alameda, CA 94501 tel 1.510.865.2787 | fax 1.510.864.7300 http://yother.com - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: EZMLM
Maxwell Smart wrote: I am not sure EZMLM would work anyways. From what I read it needs you to subscribe to a list. This customer wants simply to send 100 e mails at one time. Which would be appropriate? It sounds to me like EZMLM is for lists, like this one. Am I interpreting this correctly? ezmlm is ezmlm. Qmailtoaster does not do anything special for it, so any documents you read on ezmlm will apply. You can manually add users to the mailing list without going through the whole subscribe process. In qmailadmin, click mailing lists, create one, and then click add subscribers. Add a user. The user does not receive any confirmation emails. Then send a message to that mailing list and the user will then get it. You will need to give the user access to qmailadmin however, so they can manage the list easily. There are also commands you can send to the list to do the same functions, but unless you're really savvy then this can be very difficult (for example, send an email to List-Help: mailto:qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com and see what you get back) If you need to bulk import addresses, then I have a writeup on the wiki on how to do that from the CLI. There are some other web based admin utils for controlling ezmlm or giving admin access to lists to certain users, but I have not investigated any of these solutions myself. As Eric mentioned, mailman may also be a source. I find ezmlm easier to setup and manage in general, but if you can convince your user to only go into certain tabs in mailman then it may be a better choice for non-technical users.
RE: [qmailtoaster] RE: ezmlm warning
-Original Message- From: Jake Vickers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 6:45 PM To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] RE: ezmlm warning Steve Ingraham wrote: Below is a message I have been receiving from the qmailtoaster-list-help email for some time now. Can someone explain what exactly is going on and what I can look at to see why messages would be bouncing when sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am receiving emails from the qmailtoaster list on a daily basis so I don't understand why I would be continually receiving messages that tell me that messages are bouncing. Any help is appreciated. I get those messages from time to time (or used to). It's nothing to worry about, unless you start to see dozens of emails being bounced. You can follow the request directions in the email and request a copy of the email in question, but I think you'll see it's a spam message spoof. Ok, thanks. I didn't know if I should worry about them or not as I am getting at least one a day. - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[qmailtoaster] RE: ezmlm warning
Below is a message I have been receiving from the qmailtoaster-list-help email for some time now. Can someone explain what exactly is going on and what I can look at to see why messages would be bouncing when sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am receiving emails from the qmailtoaster list on a daily basis so I don't understand why I would be continually receiving messages that tell me that messages are bouncing. Any help is appreciated. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 4:31 PM To: Steve Ingraham Subject: ezmlm warning Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com mailing list. I'm working for my owner, who can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Messages to you from the qmailtoaster-list mailing list seem to have been bouncing. I've attached a copy of the first bounce message I received. If this message bounces too, I will send you a probe. If the probe bounces, I will remove your address from the qmailtoaster-list mailing list, without further notice. I've kept a list of which messages from the qmailtoaster-list mailing list have bounced from your address. Copies of these messages may be in the archive. To retrieve a set of messages 123-145 (a maximum of 100 per request), send an empty message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To receive a subject and author list for the last 100 or so messages, send an empty message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here are the message numbers: 11251 --- Enclosed is a copy of the bounce message I received. Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5243 invoked for bounce); 16 Feb 2007 06:53:24 - Date: 16 Feb 2007 06:53:24 - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: failure notice Hi. This is the qmail-send program at ns1.qmailtoaster.com. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: TLS connect failed: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:wrong version number; connected to 204.87.111.225. I'm not going to try again; this message has been in the queue too long. - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] RE: ezmlm warning
Steve Ingraham wrote: Below is a message I have been receiving from the qmailtoaster-list-help email for some time now. Can someone explain what exactly is going on and what I can look at to see why messages would be bouncing when sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am receiving emails from the qmailtoaster list on a daily basis so I don't understand why I would be continually receiving messages that tell me that messages are bouncing. Any help is appreciated. I get those messages from time to time (or used to). It's nothing to worry about, unless you start to see dozens of emails being bounced. You can follow the request directions in the email and request a copy of the email in question, but I think you'll see it's a spam message spoof. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
