Re: [qmailtoaster] Can I use QMT as a Spam Killer
On Feb 9, 2008, at 10:51 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And to be honest, I don't want to use sendmail as a solution but I do have to find a spam solution since plesk out of the box, with it's tools doesn't seem to do much now that I've had QMT in action. You've already switched, but you may want to take a look at Virtualmin. It's about as much as a turnkey solution as it gets (it's more than just mail, though), and updates are handled as automatic as you want. Works well for me for hosting setups, and it provides my secondary Postfix mail server. Harry - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] Can I use QMT as a Spam Killer
Thanks Dan, definitely worthwhile input. I don't use any MS products anymore but get the idea. I think (Dan) had touched on this also, about outgoing. No, I would only use this idea for cleaning incoming, outgoing would go out from the mail server it is being sent from, no need to clean it. It's mainly the spam that I was/am after :). Mike On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 10:47:46 -0500, Dan McAllister wrote: I have implemented this, using QMT as a front-end filter for an Exchange Server... It's actually simple... a) Install QMT -- but do NOT add ANY domains (much less users) b) Add your domain to the /var/qmail/contol/rcpthosts file, eg: mymaildomain.com c) Add the address of your exchange server to the file /var/qmail/control/smtproutes, eg: mymaildomain.com:10.1.1.50 NOTE: In my experience, it was a worthless exercise to try to route outbound mail through the toaster as well... let exchange deliver the outbound mail, but QMail sit in front of Exchange on the inbound side. In other words, Exchange should be sitting behind a firewall (or NAT router), and the inbound mail ports (namely 25) should be directed to your QMT system, NOT the Exchange system. (You'll also want to point some type of web interface to the Exchange Server for remote mail access. I use an advanced router to redirect different ports for that purpose). I hope this helps SOMEONE! Dan Daniel McAllister, President IT4SOHO, LLC 224 - 13th Avenue N St. Petersburg, FL 33701 877-IT4SOHO: Toll Free 727-647-7646 In Pinellas 813-464-2093 In Hillsborough 727-507-9435 Fax Only When did you do your last backup? Ask me about unattended offsite backup solutions... to protect your business, not just your data! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing is that spam went way way down while I was using QMT. Are there any documents out there on perhaps using QMT simply as a pre-processing host? All email coming into the network would go though that first, get cleaned, then continue on to the mail server. Mike - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] Can I use QMT as a Spam Killer
Sorry Dan, this got out of order in my thread :). Anyhow, ok, so my thought about using QMT as a filter does has merit. Basically, it would just take the incoming email on port 25 then route it to the main mail server. Can you think of any complications related to DNS or anything else if I just pointed my firewall to flow SMTP traffic directly to QMT? The email would still be coming to the proper IP, but the firewall would flow it to QMT first. I'd love to use QMT in this way to cut down on the spam and so that the folks who maintain their own domains can still use the pretty web GUI that does it all. Sure would make life easier. I'll have to give some thought to perhaps rebuilding my QMT machine using the latest RPM's. Anyone know if there are any scripts out there that would help keep this system up to date? If not, is there anyone who might consider trying their hand at it? I bet more people would be interested in trying the package if they saw 'automatic updates of the main components and the spam/virus database' in the feature list. Mike On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 10:47:46 -0500, Dan McAllister wrote: I have implemented this, using QMT as a front-end filter for an Exchange Server... It's actually simple... a) Install QMT -- but do NOT add ANY domains (much less users) b) Add your domain to the /var/qmail/contol/rcpthosts file, eg: mymaildomain.com c) Add the address of your exchange server to the file /var/qmail/control/smtproutes, eg: mymaildomain.com:10.1.1.50 NOTE: In my experience, it was a worthless exercise to try to route outbound mail through the toaster as well... let exchange deliver the outbound mail, but QMail sit in front of Exchange on the inbound side. In other words, Exchange should be sitting behind a firewall (or NAT router), and the inbound mail ports (namely 25) should be directed to your QMT system, NOT the Exchange system. (You'll also want to point some type of web interface to the Exchange Server for remote mail access. I use an advanced router to redirect different ports for that purpose). I hope this helps SOMEONE! Dan Daniel McAllister, President IT4SOHO, LLC 224 - 13th Avenue N St. Petersburg, FL 33701 877-IT4SOHO: Toll Free 727-647-7646 In Pinellas 813-464-2093 In Hillsborough 727-507-9435 Fax Only When did you do your last backup? Ask me about unattended offsite backup solutions... to protect your business, not just your data! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing is that spam went way way down while I was using QMT. Are there any documents out there on perhaps using QMT simply as a pre-processing host? All email coming into the network would go though that first, get cleaned, then continue on to the mail server. Mike - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] Can I use QMT as a Spam Killer
You've already switched, but you may want to take a look at Virtualmin. It's about as much as a turnkey solution as it gets (it's more than just mail, though), and updates are handled as automatic as you want. I had only moved about 8 domains over to QMT to see how things would go. Other than having to create the email accounts, which can be done by script, it didn't take much to move them or to move them back for that matter. Like I noted in this thread, it's the administration of the package and broken things that finally got me thinking that I was not able to count on this yet. I not only have to maintain it but others have to be able to use it to maintain domains/accounts. I can easily move a few domains over to test something. I'll take a look at that, thank you. It will work with QMT? Mike - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] Can I use QMT as a Spam Killer
I don't understand, qtp-newmodel is not working for you ? i've fixed it sometime ago, right now is a version in development that is doing the sandbox in 4-5 seconds You might want to put your reply at the top of the long thread if you're not going to delete it. Not sure how many folks will realize it's way down at the bottom of the completely quoted thread :). Anyhow, you lost me here, I'm not sure what we're talking about now? qtp-newmodel? Yet another thing I lost track of then? I guess that's another point to be made in this thread, most of you are programmers, the users are newbies, end users, admins, everything but programmers. Maybe projects like this need multiple mailing lists, for programmers and others? Mike - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't understand, qtp-newmodel is not working for you ? i've fixed it sometime ago, right now is a version in development that is doing the sandbox in 4-5 seconds You might want to put your reply at the top of the long thread if you're not going to delete it. Not sure how many folks will realize it's way down at the bottom of the completely quoted thread :). Anyhow, you lost me here, I'm not sure what we're talking about now? qtp-newmodel? Yet another thing I lost track of then? I guess that's another point to be made in this thread, most of you are programmers, the users are newbies, end users, admins, everything but programmers. Maybe projects like this need multiple mailing lists, for programmers and others? Mike - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was answering for : Anyone know if there are any scripts out there that would help keep this system up to date? If not, is there anyone who might consider trying their hand at it? I bet more people would be interested in trying the package if they saw 'automatic updates of the main components and the spam/virus database' in the feature list. haven't you tried qmailtoaster plus ? - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] Can I use QMT as a Spam Killer
Anyone know if there are any scripts out there that would help keep this system up to date? If not, is there anyone who might consider haven't you tried qmailtoaster plus ? No, I knew about a command line tool which is broken in the ISO install but didn't get the chance to look into it which probably would have led me to this. Thank you very much for the help, I'll certainly go take a peek at it asap. Mike - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] Can I use QMT as a Spam Killer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone know if there are any scripts out there that would help keep this system up to date? If not, is there anyone who might consider haven't you tried qmailtoaster plus ? No, I knew about a command line tool which is broken in the ISO install but didn't get the chance to look into it which probably would have led me to this. Thank you very much for the help, I'll certainly go take a peek at it asap. What was broken? I don't think you've made mention of the specific tool that was broken. QT-Plus will have a new version in the next couple days. We're busy going through some things to make sure they work with the changes that are being made to the QMT project in general, as well as adding the unionfs that Lucian mentioned. qtp-newmodel is a script in QT-Plus that downloads the newest QMT packages and builds them for you without taking your system offline to do so. Once the packages are built, it gives you the option to install them (which DOES take your system offline for 5 minutes or so while the packages install). And yes, it's FREE.
Re: [qmailtoaster] Can I use QMT as a Spam Killer
qtp-newmodel is a script in QT-Plus that downloads the newest QMT packages I thought that was in the qtp-plus menu if I recall. I don't have it in front of me but will post it once I take another look. Something or some things in there didn't work. Updating never worked, it never finds updates and there were a couple of other things that didn't work. I was sure I saw someone else post about that. Mike - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: qtp-newmodel is a script in QT-Plus that downloads the newest QMT packages I thought that was in the qtp-plus menu if I recall. I don't have it in front of me but will post it once I take another look. Something or some things in there didn't work. Updating never worked, it never finds updates and there were a couple of other things that didn't work. I was sure I saw someone else post about that. Updating right now will not work (as of about a week ago - Erik changed the links to the location of the files, so those do not work). The new version (in a couple days) will have the new links. And FYI: plesk uses Postfix if I remember right from the last time I looked at it - so all you're paying for is the pretty interface. None of us here are paid for this. For example, I designed the QMT-ISO-1.0 for myself, to make an installation I was working on easier. I released it to the community as a way of contributing. I only did it for myself, to make MY job easier. To be honest, I don't care about your job. It's (your job) not making MY job any easier, nor is it paying me anything, so I have no reason keep making new versions to make YOUR job easier. I do anyway. Same with the rest of us here that contribute. I think I can speak for most when I say we release something because we, each individual, needed it and we thought that others may benefit from it. Do I need an interface to administer my domains? Nope. So I see no need to write one, or even fix the broken one. I imagine most of the other contributers are the same. Now if you (being the community collective - not any individual) paid us the $250 a year Plesk does for support (even with simple numbers - I've got 1910 downloads of my ISO: that would be $477,500.00 in revenue) then I'm sure I could wrangle together 4 or 6 guys to write a REALLY nice interface. But that's not the way it works. I've made less than a penny per download of the ISO (from the donations). Now if you like QMT, why not help contribute back like the rest of us do. Document your installation and update the wiki. Programmers by stereo-type are horrible documentation people. But not too many seem to step back up to the plate when they're running their ENTIRE companies off of the software/contributions we put out to even document something. Or even take that $250 paid to Plesk and go to rent-a-coder and got the vqadmin package fixed and released it back to the community. Then you would have what you wanted, and be able to contribute back to the rest of us (us being the community) who have hundreds, if not thousands, of hours wrapped up in this type of thing who all work on thank yous. That's my 2-cents. I'll get off my soap-box now.
Re: [qmailtoaster] Can I use QMT as a Spam Killer
And FYI: plesk uses Postfix if I remember right from the last time I looked at it - so all you're paying for is the pretty interface. I could care less what it uses, it works and it's easy to use. Like I said, many cannot become experts at everything they touch, you've gotta concentrate of a few things that you know well, just can't do it all. I also noted that the people who maintain domains/accounts need the pretty interface. They can't deal with the GUI on QMT. Once I moved domains over, I ended up having to maintain those myself. None of us here are paid for this. For example, I designed the QMT-ISO-1.0 for myself, to make an installation I was working on easier. I released it to the community as a way of contributing. I only did it for myself, to make MY job easier. To be honest, I don't care about your job. It's (your job) not making MY job any easier, nor is it paying me anything, so I have no reason keep making new versions to make YOUR job easier. I do anyway. To be honest, that's really confusing. You keep pointing that out and I don't know why. I've made it clear why I'm wanting to use this package, I've even explained my reasons for not being able to afford help on EVERYTHING we have going on right now. As part of my taking the time to explain this, I've pointed out why I am having the problems. I don't recall begging you to give a hoot about what I do nor posting it to you directly so why in the world do you sound like you keep taking offence??? I am in NO WAY asking you for ANYTHING other than input if you want to give it so why are you constantly talking about being paid? It's not like I'm forcing anyone to help me. I am however, at least giving feedback which is more than most would do when they simply walk away. Coming down in *any* way on someone who takes the time to give input is simply not a good idea. administer my domains? Nope. So I see no need to write one, or even fix the broken one. I imagine most of the other contributers are the same. Never asked you to, just pointed out why I was not able to use the package and said that should someone fix or write a pretty interface, it'll make the package more useful. If you're not interested in the public using anything you are all working on together, then why even make it freaking public if you're going to be pissed every time someone gives you feedback? Now if you (being the community collective - not any individual) paid us the $250 a year Plesk does for support (even with simple numbers - I've got Maybe you didn't catch the point I was making but it's a system that has been sitting on our network for many years, working away just fine other than the BS of having to put up with Plesk's sometimes frustrating support methods. 1910 downloads of my ISO: that would be $477,500.00 in revenue) then I'm sure I could wrangle together 4 or 6 guys to write a REALLY nice interface. Nothing is stopping you from doing just that if you wanted. What's stopping you from putting a few of the guys together and pulling your work together based on INPUT from the users on this list??? Open your eyes to opportunities and maybe you'll stop being so personally offended when someone is simply offering their view on things. Take the input, turn it into something cool, make your own half million a year or more, what's stopping you other than not listening to the input you're getting right now. I can't even imagine how many people are reading this list perhaps agreeing with me but afraid to post their agreement. All of the is input you might be scaring away by taking offence and crying fowl that it's just a hobby and no demands should be put on you. None are. But that's not the way it works. I've made less than a penny per download of the ISO (from the donations). Well, hear the suggestions, put something cool together, charge for it. I'm sure you'll make money. You're obviously a VERY intelligent person who has done a lot, I'm sure you could pull a few guys together and do something pretty wild with this. Qmail just opened up the source recently, what more do you need. Now if you like QMT, why not help contribute back like the rest of us do. Um, I am. I didn't just walk away and not give you any input. I took the time to thank everyone who helped me, left some comments for input from someone who used it in the hopes that it might be seen as useful. While some have been very nice, the passive aggressive thing has been a wee bit obvious too. Since I'm not a programmer, I can't contribute but maybe you didn't read something else I wrote which was... once we're making actual MONEY, I would LOVE to contribute and will do so. When I can afford my own programmers to work on our projects, I will absolutely contribute to open source. Sorry, can't do it all today though, have to count on the nice folks who put this stuff out to get somewhere first. Document your installation and update the wiki. Programmers by stereo-type are horrible
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make MY job easier. To be honest, I don't care about your job. It's (your job) not making MY job any easier, nor is it paying me anything, so I have PS: I offered you those resources for a reason. I thought you might see the opportunity but you didn't. What can I say. Mike - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] Can I use QMT as a Spam Killer
I apologize for saying this publicly, it was not intended. Mike On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 11:17:32 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: make MY job easier. To be honest, I don't care about your job. It's (your job) not making MY job any easier, nor is it paying me anything, so I have PS: I offered you those resources for a reason. I thought you might see the opportunity but you didn't. What can I say. Mike - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] Can I use QMT as a Spam Killer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To be honest, that's really confusing. You keep pointing that out and I don't know why. I've made it clear why I'm wanting to use this package, I've even explained my reasons for not being able to afford help on EVERYTHING we have going on right now. As part of my taking the time to explain this, I've pointed out why I am having the problems. I don't recall begging you to give a hoot about what I do nor posting it to you directly so why in the world do you sound like you keep taking offence??? Not taking offense, just trying to put things in perspective. And you did ask me to give a hoot - this is a public mailing list. You also asked me directly to work on your machines (remember, I had Yahoo working fine by using one of my test domains pointed at your machine so I could control DNS?). Nothing is stopping you from doing just that if you wanted. What's stopping you from putting a few of the guys together and pulling your work together based on INPUT from the users on this list??? Open your eyes to opportunities and maybe you'll stop being so personally offended when someone is simply offering their view on things. Take the input, turn it into something cool, make your own half million a year or more, what's stopping you other than not listening to the input you're getting right now. I can't even imagine how many people are reading this list perhaps agreeing with me but afraid to post their agreement. All of the is input you might be scaring away by taking offence and crying fowl that it's just a hobby and no demands should be put on you. None are. This has been tried before. If you read the archives ( I know, it's a pain and it's work, or you can just take my word for it) I've tried to put together a group a couple times to fix the very same module you keep harping about. All three times it's fallen to the way side - I'm not a very good PHP programmer, so I can't help much in that realm. When the PHP programmer dropped off the face of the Earth, we were unable to find another willing to work on the project. Another time I was moving from C programming in Windows to C programming in Linux so when the C programmer dropped from the group I was not yet ready to take over those reins. And I'm not personally offended - just tired of hearing you complain that nobody wants to support you. The software is free, the support is not. And even that's not totally true. I've seen plenty of support freely given over the last couple weeks here on the list. The level of support you want is not free. Um, I am. I didn't just walk away and not give you any input. I took the time to thank everyone who helped me, left some comments for input from someone who used it in the hopes that it might be seen as useful. While some have been very nice, the passive aggressive thing has been a wee bit obvious too. Since I'm not a programmer, I can't contribute but maybe you didn't read something else I wrote which was... once we're making actual MONEY, I would LOVE to contribute and will do so. When I can afford my own programmers to work on our projects, I will absolutely contribute to open source. Sorry, can't do it all today though, have to count on the nice folks who put this stuff out to get somewhere first. No offense, and I'm sure you have the greatest intentions, but most of us have heard the if I make money you'll make money story. Some of us (me included) have even fallen for them from time to time. Not to make this personal, but if you want to use QMT so badly (even for just spam scanning) then why are you trying to charge for your TDMA contribution? Was the original TDMA code GPL? I've hired the rent-a-coders and have been screwed over every single time. I am not paying another programmer again until I can hire that person full time to work on what I need with results oriented output, not promises. As for Thank you, if that's not enough for you, why are you still bothering? You sound like one of many programmers I seem to come across who are pissed at the world for giving and getting nothing back. Why give then? Giving means just that, GIVING. It's thankless, it doesn't earn money, it's from the heart, it's because you love something that you're doing and it pleases you to give of yourself. Why the hell do people spend time giving then get upset that they aren't getting back? And I've been screwed over by the I'll pay you when I make money and I'll pay you when the job is done people. So what? There's no passive aggressiveness here, at least that's not what I'm trying to get across. And the thank you's are enough, or I wouldn't keep giving. It's the complaints that we're not giving enough that get my goat.
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directly to work on your machines (remember, I had Yahoo working fine by using one of my test domains pointed at your machine so I could control DNS?). You offered to take a look by trying some tests. I didn't ask you to work on my machines, I asked you if you'd be interested in a little co-development work. Working on my machines was something you offered because I was trying to figure out why I was having the problems. Semantics. together a group a couple times to fix the very same module you keep harping about. All three times it's fallen to the way side - I'm not a Harping? It's called feedback. I could have just walked and not given anyone any input. You should put it into proper perspective. And I'm not personally offended - just tired of hearing you complain that nobody wants to support you. The software is free, the support is not. You're obviously trying to class me in with the others that you are frustrated with because I never said nobody wants to help me. I asked for help just like anyone else and I posted my problems and even my own ongoing work/solutions when I had them. Give me a break will you. over the last couple weeks here on the list. The level of support you want is not free. There you go again? Why are we on this again? No offense, and I'm sure you have the greatest intentions, but most of us have heard the if I make money you'll make money story. Some of us (me included) have even fallen for them from time to time. Not to make this My my how some people are jaded :). You need to get back on your horse after the fall and try again. Good intentions have often turned into much more than talk, come on. You don't know a thing about me, that's a rather silly thing to imply. You don't know what I've put into my communities in all kinds of ways. You don't know what I've done for people, you know nothing about me so please, stop making such silly assumptions. personal, but if you want to use QMT so badly (even for just spam scanning) then why are you trying to charge for your TDMA contribution? Was the original TDMA code GPL? Hmm, why did I know that was grinding you up? I've wasted over $5000.00 on programmers who never deliver just to give them a chance. I paid good money to have that packaged up, no harm in offering it for cheap to a few folks who might want it. Do you honestly think I'll make my fortune by selling it? Maybe I'm missing an opportunity? And I've been screwed over by the I'll pay you when I make money and I'll pay you when the job is done people. So what? All circular. I don't know why you're taking such an interest in trying to discredit me, who cares? What's the point of all of these emails? Let's get back to reality... I gave up, I posted why to at least give feedback. Anyone interested in that feedback will use it as real honest to goodness user feedback and not trying to attack someone for giving me. There's no passive aggressiveness here, at least that's not what I'm trying to get across. And the thank you's are enough, or I wouldn't keep giving. It's the complaints that we're not giving enough that get my goat. Go re-read my messages. They aren't exactly complaints, they are me asking for help like anyone else would. When I was not able to resolve my problems, even after getting that help, it was time to move on. I don't see any attack on this list or begging or crying or name calling, I simply had to move on. To top it all off, now I might even be staying because thanks to Dan and some other's input, I've got a few ideas to try out. Can we stop this nonsense and move on now. Mike - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Harping? It's called feedback. I could have just walked and not given anyone any input. You should put it into proper perspective. Please provide feedback for the vqadmin interface to Inter7. No need to speak of it here. Nobody here that I'm aware of write any portion of it. over the last couple weeks here on the list. The level of support you want is not free. There you go again? Why are we on this again? Because you keep asking for something that nobody wants to give you without trying to make a buck - at least not that I'm aware of. My my how some people are jaded :). You need to get back on your horse after the fall and try again. Good intentions have often turned into much more than talk, come on. You don't know a thing about me, that's a rather silly thing to imply. You don't know what I've put into my communities in all kinds of ways. You don't know what I've done for people, you know nothing about me so please, stop making such silly assumptions. Jaded, wise; semantics. And tit for tat. personal, but if you want to use QMT so badly (even for just spam scanning) then why are you trying to charge for your TDMA contribution? Was the original TDMA code GPL? Hmm, why did I know that was grinding you up? I've wasted over $5000.00 on programmers who never deliver just to give them a chance. I paid good money to have that packaged up, no harm in offering it for cheap to a few folks who might want it. Do you honestly think I'll make my fortune by selling it? Maybe I'm missing an opportunity? Not grinding me up in the slightest - I personally think TDMA is extremely annoying, but that doesn't mean others feel the same way. If the original code was GPL then you'll be violating their license by trying to sell any modifications to it. And I've spent thousands of dollars and sweat-equity on projects that went nowhere or screwed me in the end. The point? I like ice cream. (EXACTLY, no point at all) All circular. I don't know why you're taking such an interest in trying to discredit me, who cares? What's the point of all of these emails? Let's get back to reality... I gave up, I posted why to at least give feedback. Anyone interested in that feedback will use it as real honest to goodness user feedback and not trying to attack someone for giving me. Not taking an interest in anything other than being tired of seeing them. Also not trying to discredit you (apologies if you feel that way). Everyone saw your feedback. Thanks! We got it. Seems that it may have even sparked another web interface project for it.
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Please provide feedback for the vqadmin interface to Inter7. No need to speak of it here. Nobody here that I'm aware of write any portion of it. Told you already, they didn't write anything. I hired a programmer to add the interface to it. That was what I was offering, I made that clear. If you want to Because you keep asking for something that nobody wants to give you without trying to make a buck - at least not that I'm aware of. Maybe you should try reading the offer being made by Jean-Paul. Not taking an interest in anything other than being tired of seeing them. Um, you're actually creating them so by ending this nonsense, we can move on to better things now. You've made your point of not making one. It's weird that one minute you were so nice and communicative with me and you just suddenly turned like this. I don't get it and I honestly could care less. Enough alright. Mike - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Feb 10, 2008, at 6:02 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can easily move a few domains over to test something. I'll take a look at that, thank you. It will work with QMT? It claims to be able to work with qmail, but I have not tested that - it wasn't relevant for what I was using it for, at the time. Harry - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Lucian, Please, do not reply at the bottom of an interminably quoted chunk of mail - place your replies at the top of mail. Harry On Feb 10, 2008, at 6:51 AM, Lucian Cristian wrote: Anyone know if there are any scripts out there that would help keep this system up to date? If not, is there anyone who might consider trying their hand at it? I bet more people would be interested in trying the package if they saw 'automatic updates of the main components and the spam/virus database' in the feature list. haven't you tried qmailtoaster plus ? - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Feb 10, 2008, at 8:38 AM, Jake Vickers wrote: Or even take that $250 paid to Plesk and go to rent-a-coder and got the vqadmin package fixed and released it back to the community. Which is pretty much what I did a while ago with TMDA (which works nicely right now with QMT, and would be a nice package to include). :-) - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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You don't know about qmailtoaster-plus? http://qtp.qmailtoaster.com/ No I didn't or I might have seen it go by in the threads not being sure what it was. When things look like programming talk, I don't generally follow it. I am looking at it now, thanks. Mike - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I have several problems with the James' post below. However, let me start by saying that I spent more than 20 years administering large sites using sendmail. In fact, I used to be one of only 3 accredited instructors in sendmail Administration for Learning Tree International (for whom I no longer work, and they long-ago retired that course, as well as most of their other advanced UNIX/Linux courses). The point being, I'm not trying to get into a sendmail vs. QMail war here. I am a FIRM believer that no single tool is appropriate for all problems (which is a major argument I use with clients who want an all windows environment). Next, I'll admit that my assumptions (which may be false, or at least may be different from James') include that the filter-MTA (sendmail or QMail) is on a different machine than the end-user-MTA (which could be almost anything, but in my experience is usually an MS Exchange server), and that the original sender is a relatively new Linux System Administrator who had sufficient difficulty getting QMT operating to his satisfaction that a decision was made to drop it (again, probably in favor of MS Exchange -- but that is purely MY guess). So, that being said, there are some claims made be James that I definitely don't follow on: To begin with, at first glance I reject the notion that sendmail is categorically faster and has overall lower-overhead than QMail. They each have a very different programming approach: sendmail is a monolithic mail handling program that does it all in one process, whereas QMail follows a more UNIX-y approach: create several small programs that each do one thing well, then connect them with pipes and/or sockets. As a result, my experience has been that QMail has an overall file-I/O superiority, and sendmail has an overall CPU utilization superiority. Still: a) as a simple front-end processor, neither program (sendmail or QMail) is going to have knowledge of valid mailbox names (at least not directly from the the other MTA), so both should accept all messages for any properly-configured domain send them on to the appropriate end-user-MTA b) if you're going to do something more fancy, like configure mailboxes in BOTM MTA's (the end-user MTA the filter-MTA), then doing so shouldn't be too much harder for QMail or sendmail - either one, so that would be a push c) if you assume that your system will have a CPU resource issue in handling your inbound message-load (suggested 200k per day would be too much), then you're apparently not looking at the configuration options of QMail (/var/qmail/control/concurrency*) or are ignoring the effects of adding relatively cheap RAM to your system to offset those effects. Again, in my experience sendmail's CPU load is not /THAT/ significantly lower than QMail's. NOTE: In the above case, I am making those comparisons on basic QMail, not QMT -- which adds clamav, spamassassin, and (in this users case) spamdyke -- all of which are CPU intensive. IMHO, if being used as a SPAM filter, I would disable the clamav scans in QMT, allowing only the spamassassin spamdyke filters. The end-user MTA (or even the end-user system!) could be relied upon to perform AV scanning. (In the case of MS Exchange, I would ASSUME than an appropriate AV program is running on the server. As AV scanning would naturally occur AFTER the message receipt and mailbox validation, it would be the naturally better choice to do the AV scan THERE vs. in the filter -- which would have to scan ALL messages)... but this applies evenly to QMT/spamdyke and to sendmail/mimedefang! Next, I equally reject the notion that you would get backsplash from the end-user MTA. That would assume that the end-user MTA is setup to bounce invalid mailbox messages, or that said rejections would come back to the filter-MTA. The practice of BOUNCING invalid email addresses has been increasingly ill-advised for more than a decade ( I personally remember reading how it was becoming a bad idea as far back as 1999 -- so maybe I heard it early and it's only been 9 years). I admittedly assumed (perhaps wrongly) that the end-user MTA would accept and drop invalid messages. However, even IF the end-user MTA DID BOUNCE invalid mailbox messages, it will be doing so at one of 2 times: a) During the initial exchange (pre-full-message delivery), in which case QMail can be programmed to retry only a very limited number of times (after all, virtually ALL of QMail's outbound messages will be to the end-user MTA -- not various real MTA's on the Internet as is assumed in the default configs), or b) Post message receipt, in which case, the response goes back to the sender directly (presumably straight out the Internet connection not through the filter-MTA system). Now this DOES assume that you're not trying to filter outbound messages on the filter-MTA system. I've already argued that point earlier -- see my original post!
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On Feb 8, 2008, at 10:51 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was basically forced to move my mail to an existing server yesterday because we were having way too much mail never making it to various sites like hotmail and yahoo. We simply cannot exist without being able to send mail to these large sites. At one point I ran into the same issue, but instead of despairing, I figured out what the issues were - particularly since the error messages generated by Yahoo, Hotmail and AOL were pretty damn descriptives, in specifying the problem were missing SPF and reverse DNS entries. In 99% of your cases, that ends up being the issue with Yahoo, Hotmail or AOL won't accept incoing mail (or delegate it to the 'junk' mailbox). None of these issues have much to do with QMT, but rather your DNS. Since these are your issues, you could have figured these out. Heck, if I can figure them out, and I'm a caveman when it comes to this stuff, you should have been able to, as well. I found it sad to have to move them and since only yesterday, the spam levels have become insane again. QMT was definitely doing a VERY good job of keeping the spam out but I just don't have the time to fully understand the software and how all of the packages work together, let alone the upgrade process. Honestly, most of that work is handled by the installer - run the installer, on a newly installed Linux box, and you're good. Then use the configuration tools, and it should be a cinch. Upgrades used to be a slight issue, when the qtp-newmodel script was broken for the longest time, without getting fixed -- but since all updated modules were in RPM format, running rpm -Uvh package.rpm should not have proven that challenging. For most of these tasks, there are very descriptive entries in the wiki. Guess I'll have to look into this as well. Any packages or sites I should check out? Since you're apparently right back to spending time on figuring out how all this works, why not just figure it out once, and dealing with one installation, instead of now wanting to be responsible for two installations, and doubling your workload? This seems to be contrary reasoning. Harry - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Since these are your issues, you could have figured these out. Heck, if I can figure them out, and I'm a caveman when it comes to this stuff, you should have been able to, as well. The testing seemed to prove that the system and DNS were fine. I was lucky enough to have some of the best folks on this list actually log into my server to check things out. One person pointed out several DNS errors things looked fine other than initial problems which were resolved. What was interesting is that when I moved the domains over, I found that email was still not getting out from another mail server. Never noticed it since I don't maintain that one very much so no one told me either. What ever is causing the problems, it's more than likely not QMT related and probably something else. I've not had the time or knowledge of email to be able to figure it out yet. I wish I could well understand email headers but I don't after being in this business since the late 90's. I've just not had the time to become a pro at any one thing, being a general specialist at everything. The reasons I had to move on were few but important in my case. The other mail server gets it's updates automatically, I just click on the update and we're done. It works, I don't have to watch over it. It doesn't work very well with spam but otherwise, it works. Spam is killing us on it which is why I asked if QMT could be used as a pre-processor since I already have it in place. Seems I could route into it, then back out to the other one, at least using it's wonderful spam killing abilities. I will use QMT again in a heartbeat as soon as some automated updates comes along so that I don't have to worry about breaking the darn thing. The second reason, the one that broke my back is below. Honestly, most of that work is handled by the installer - run the installer, on a newly installed Linux box, and you're good. Then use Like I said, it was good, it worked fine. One thing that got my setup messed up for quite some time was the wiki talking about how to disable DK. It simply deleted some links that were not easy to figure out until someone noticed it when I was trying to get DK to work later on. Other than that, and the tcp.smtp file which is a headache to find the right 'recipe', it worked very well. Upgrades used to be a slight issue, when the qtp-newmodel script was broken for the longest time, without getting fixed -- but since all That's another reason why I moved. I would be working away at something, trying to figure out what was wrong then suddenly someone would post 'oh, that's been broken for months now'. That happened a couple of time to me and I saw it happen to others. That is frustrating. updated modules were in RPM format, running rpm -Uvh package.rpm should not have proven that challenging. For most of these tasks, there are very descriptive entries in the wiki. Don't recall being able to do that either. When I tried to upgrade, all sorts of problems arose and I didn't have the time to spend on it to try to figure it all out. Even the, what was it, qmt-iso-help command?, had an upgrade function in it that didn't work. Almost everything in that menu didn't work. Since you're apparently right back to spending time on figuring out how all this works, why not just figure it out once, and dealing with one installation, instead of now wanting to be responsible for two installations, and doubling your workload? I'm not sure what you mean? The email was moved, it works just fine other than the hotmail/yahoo issues which tell me it's network related. We don't seem to be blocked and we're not in the RBL lists so have to figure that one out. The only thing I'm looking at right now is how to kill the spam. My install had now become kind of old based on all of the updates that seemed to have come up. Every time I went to update, it lead me down some nutty path that just got more and more complicated. Just to top things off, the GUI tools I was using were suddenly called broken by someone which is truly frustrating. I was trying to figure out why I could not send between certain machines on the internal network only to be told 'oh, the gui breaks things'. That was the final straw, for now at least. Not knowing that some of the things that come with the package come broken is a bit much don't you think? Hey, I'd love to keep using it but I need to find a way of being able to maintain it within the amount of time that I have. I can't go breaking it because something doesn't do what it's supposed to when I need to count on that email. Those of you who have the luxury of time to spend on it, becoming almost guru's on it are very lucky, I'd love that. It was somewhat maintenance free other than the things I've mentioned but the killer was not being able to easily stay up to date. I'm not happy I had to move but it's pretty easy to move back and forth. Once I see easy updates, I'm back. Mike
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On Feb 9, 2008, at 8:34 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The reasons I had to move on were few but important in my case. The other mail server gets it's updates automatically, I just click on the update and we're done. It works. There's a similar mechanism for QMT that exists able to do something along the same lines - though the catch-22 is that qmail itself doesn't really need any updates (well, is not supposed to be - or maybe it's just the excuse for the author to be lazy), though the supporting environment, certainly does. That's another reason why I moved. I would be working away at something, trying to figure out what was wrong then suddenly someone would post 'oh, that's been broken for months now'. That happened a couple of time to me and I saw it happen to others. That is frustrating. To be honest, yeah, that's a huge problem QMT has, and a lot of it was caused by the fact that it's not a commercial product, but a labor of love for those involved - that's why sometimes parts don't get updated. Everyone certainly tries, and wants to do the best they can, but most have real jobs that take precedence. There *ARE* commercial support systems for QMT, and there are companies and individuals offering support. I have paid for such in the past, and it was money well spent. That was the final straw, for now at least. Not knowing that some of the things that come with the package come broken is a bit much don't you think? Again, you are right - and to be perfectly honest, I have considered a switch to a Postfix based system for a while, and the only thing holding me back is that my QMT includes TMDA, and the Postfix based commercial system does not - though I am considering encouraging the authors of the commercial system to include TMDA, which would nearly seal the deal. There are a lot of benefits of the specific Postfix based system I am looking at, the major one being the use of a different IMAP engine, which uses a fraction of the CPU overhead of the courier IMAP in QMT. Then again, my mail servers are working fine, for the time being. Harry - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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By the way, one of the interesting things, I think, is that I didn't just walk away, with no one ever knowing why yet another person might have left a project. I'm here to answer any questions I can having used it and still wanting to. That should be of some value. I can't imagine how many people simply walk away and that's it. You'll never find out why they walked, what did them in or what they found that might have been better to them. Mike - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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FINALLY, if you take into consideration the original poster, (Mike?), who had difficulty in getting a QMT setup and working, and so abandoned that as an end-user MTA, the idea that using a sendmail/mimedefang approach would work better seems to ignore his admitted limitations (no offense, Mike!). In my defence, there were only two real issues, which turned into longer term problems with simple fixes. 1: I followed the directions on the wiki to disable DK when it was suggested in the list that I might not want to use it. That caused information on the system to be lost (the fact that the files were specially sim-linked) and pretty much impossible for me to figure out since there was/is no information on this anywhere it seems. 2: The tcp.smtp recipe is simply not something that is all that easy to follow. Granted, I've not spent the time I should on this because I've got my hands full with load balanced clusters of web and MySQL servers, all sorts of GFS pools running over complicated FC, a new aggregator styled storage network, countless web projects, the list goes on. So, no, I admit, I've not taken the time I need to take to better understand QMT. That said however, it took very little work to move those domains to a plesk server I've had running for years which does the job fine other than spam issues. No one wanted to use the QMT GUI which is badly required since not everyone around me is technical, they need mouse driven solutions they can understand. I can't stand plesk because of how it messes with your system but the bottom line is that it works. I don't have the luxury of becoming an expert at everything I touch so need tools that are relatively simple to use, spending more time on each one when I can to better understand it. I never really had email issues (which is why I never spent a lot of time trying to become an expert on MTA's) until I started using open source tools since commercial solutions were always the preferred method. I used Vircom's mail servers from the time that I used to talk with him personally until he got too big to answer his own phone hehe. Anyhow, I could go on and on but the point is, I'm not just a new system admin, I've been at this since the late 80's and have admittedly always tried to remain a general specialist for the most part, especially with certain things like email, which really, should just plain work out of the box after being around for so many years :) And to be honest, I don't want to use sendmail as a solution but I do have to find a spam solution since plesk out of the box, with it's tools doesn't seem to do much now that I've had QMT in action. I wish someone put together an ISO like jake but as a front end spam killing appliance. I thought I saw that somewhere actually. Mike - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I have implemented this, using QMT as a front-end filter for an Exchange Server... It's actually simple... a) Install QMT -- but do NOT add ANY domains (much less users) b) Add your domain to the /var/qmail/contol/rcpthosts file, eg: mymaildomain.com c) Add the address of your exchange server to the file /var/qmail/control/smtproutes, eg: mymaildomain.com:10.1.1.50 NOTE: In my experience, it was a worthless exercise to try to route outbound mail through the toaster as well... let exchange deliver the outbound mail, but QMail sit in front of Exchange on the inbound side. In other words, Exchange should be sitting behind a firewall (or NAT router), and the inbound mail ports (namely 25) should be directed to your QMT system, NOT the Exchange system. (You'll also want to point some type of web interface to the Exchange Server for remote mail access. I use an advanced router to redirect different ports for that purpose). I hope this helps SOMEONE! Dan Daniel McAllister, President IT4SOHO, LLC 224 - 13th Avenue N St. Petersburg, FL 33701 877-IT4SOHO: Toll Free 727-647-7646 In Pinellas 813-464-2093 In Hillsborough 727-507-9435 Fax Only When did you do your last backup? Ask me about unattended offsite backup solutions... to protect your business, not just your data! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing is that spam went way way down while I was using QMT. Are there any documents out there on perhaps using QMT simply as a pre-processing host? All email coming into the network would go though that first, get cleaned, then continue on to the mail server. Mike - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I was basically forced to move my mail to an existing server yesterday because we were having way too much mail never making it to various sites like hotmail and yahoo. We simply cannot exist without being able to send mail to these large sites. I found it sad to have to move them and since only yesterday, the spam levels have become insane again. QMT was definitely doing a VERY good job of keeping the spam out but I just don't have the time to fully understand the software and how all of the packages work together, let alone the upgrade process. I use sendmail and mimedefang here at work and I have way more control than qmail-toaster could ever give us for a front-end to exchange, as So, you're using it as a pre-processor before it hits your mail server. I've always read the qmail was the best out there and that sendmail was slowly dying out but then I've also read that a lot of very large outfits use sendmail. Guess I'll have to look into this as well. Any packages or sites I should check out? Thanks for the help and input btw. Mike - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi We use qmail toaster in our company, how can I see the mailing lists from the web. -Original Message- From: James E. Pratt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 6:05 PM To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Subject: RE: [qmailtoaster] Can I use QMT as a Spam Killer Hi, If your network processes a lot of mail (i.e over 200k messages per day), this could really kill your front-end box, as qmail will accept mail for non-existent users by default and you will be wasting cpu cycles scanning worthless messages that will just end up bouncing and sending lots of backscatter out, essentially worsening the overall spam problem in general :\ ... I use sendmail and mimedefang here at work and I have way more control than qmail-toaster could ever give us for a front-end to exchange, as qmail-toaster is really built more for backend storage of multi-domains. You can get much better performance on a spamassassin relay using a different MTA like sendmail or exim/postfix along with procmail/mimedefang etc... I mean, Qmail is definitely great, but has certain issues that make it somewhat unsuitable for large, single-domain environments... :\ (just my 2 cents!) :) Regards, jp -Original Message- From: Dan McAllister [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 10:48 AM To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] Can I use QMT as a Spam Killer I have implemented this, using QMT as a front-end filter for an Exchange Server... It's actually simple... a) Install QMT -- but do NOT add ANY domains (much less users) b) Add your domain to the /var/qmail/contol/rcpthosts file, eg: mymaildomain.com c) Add the address of your exchange server to the file /var/qmail/control/smtproutes, eg: mymaildomain.com:10.1.1.50 NOTE: In my experience, it was a worthless exercise to try to route outbound mail through the toaster as well... let exchange deliver the outbound mail, but QMail sit in front of Exchange on the inbound side. In other words, Exchange should be sitting behind a firewall (or NAT router), and the inbound mail ports (namely 25) should be directed to your QMT system, NOT the Exchange system. (You'll also want to point some type of web interface to the Exchange Server for remote mail access. I use an advanced router to redirect different ports for that purpose). I hope this helps SOMEONE! Dan Daniel McAllister, President IT4SOHO, LLC 224 - 13th Avenue N St. Petersburg, FL 33701 877-IT4SOHO: Toll Free 727-647-7646 In Pinellas 813-464-2093 In Hillsborough 727-507-9435 Fax Only When did you do your last backup? Ask me about unattended offsite backup solutions... to protect your business, not just your data! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing is that spam went way way down while I was using QMT. Are there any documents out there on perhaps using QMT simply as a pre-processing host? All email coming into the network would go though that first, get cleaned, then continue on to the mail server. Mike - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Aslı Ayaz wrote: Hi We use qmail toaster in our company, how can I see the mailing lists from the web. The wiki (http://wiki.qmailtoaster.com/index.php/Main_Page) contains a link to the list archive (http://www.mail-archive.com/qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com/) -- -Eric 'shubes' - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [qmailtoaster] Can I use QMT as a Spam Killer
Hi, If your network processes a lot of mail (i.e over 200k messages per day), this could really kill your front-end box, as qmail will accept mail for non-existent users by default and you will be wasting cpu cycles scanning worthless messages that will just end up bouncing and sending lots of backscatter out, essentially worsening the overall spam problem in general :\ ... I use sendmail and mimedefang here at work and I have way more control than qmail-toaster could ever give us for a front-end to exchange, as qmail-toaster is really built more for backend storage of multi-domains. You can get much better performance on a spamassassin relay using a different MTA like sendmail or exim/postfix along with procmail/mimedefang etc... I mean, Qmail is definitely great, but has certain issues that make it somewhat unsuitable for large, single-domain environments... :\ (just my 2 cents!) :) Regards, jp -Original Message- From: Dan McAllister [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 10:48 AM To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] Can I use QMT as a Spam Killer I have implemented this, using QMT as a front-end filter for an Exchange Server... It's actually simple... a) Install QMT -- but do NOT add ANY domains (much less users) b) Add your domain to the /var/qmail/contol/rcpthosts file, eg: mymaildomain.com c) Add the address of your exchange server to the file /var/qmail/control/smtproutes, eg: mymaildomain.com:10.1.1.50 NOTE: In my experience, it was a worthless exercise to try to route outbound mail through the toaster as well... let exchange deliver the outbound mail, but QMail sit in front of Exchange on the inbound side. In other words, Exchange should be sitting behind a firewall (or NAT router), and the inbound mail ports (namely 25) should be directed to your QMT system, NOT the Exchange system. (You'll also want to point some type of web interface to the Exchange Server for remote mail access. I use an advanced router to redirect different ports for that purpose). I hope this helps SOMEONE! Dan Daniel McAllister, President IT4SOHO, LLC 224 - 13th Avenue N St. Petersburg, FL 33701 877-IT4SOHO: Toll Free 727-647-7646 In Pinellas 813-464-2093 In Hillsborough 727-507-9435 Fax Only When did you do your last backup? Ask me about unattended offsite backup solutions... to protect your business, not just your data! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing is that spam went way way down while I was using QMT. Are there any documents out there on perhaps using QMT simply as a pre-processing host? All email coming into the network would go though that first, get cleaned, then continue on to the mail server. Mike - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[qmailtoaster] Can I use QMT as a Spam Killer
One thing is that spam went way way down while I was using QMT. Are there any documents out there on perhaps using QMT simply as a pre-processing host? All email coming into the network would go though that first, get cleaned, then continue on to the mail server. Mike - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
