Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam cleaning error?

[Remo Mattei]

Perfect. Thanks 

> On Aug 12, 2024, at 11:38 AM, Eric Broch  wrote:
> 
> It is enabled once during install of dspam for dependencies perl-Mail-Mbox*. 
> It should not be enabled all the time. This was necessary when I built dspam 
> for el8/9. If Rocky now has these dependencies we could get rid of 
> Fedora...which would be nice.
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/12/2024 12:25 PM, Remo Mattei wrote:
>> Super that did the trick. Not sure do we not set fedora34 on by default?
>> 
>>> On Aug 12, 2024, at 10:58 AM, Eric Broch  
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is fedora enabled in /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora34.repo
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 8/12/2024 11:38 AM, Remo Mattei wrote:
 Hello Eric, 
 There is an issue as mysql-devel  is not available on Rocky Linux
 
 
 https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/mysql-devel-is-not-available/11939
 
 Suggestions?
 
 
 
 Enabling CRB repo
 CRB repo is enabled and named: crb
 Mon Aug 12 11:36:29 AM MDT 2024 > /etc/rc.d
 qmail7.italy1.com dnf install mysql-devel
 Rocky Linux 9 - BaseOS 

   13 kB/s | 4.1 kB 00:00
 Rocky Linux 9 - AppStream  

   16 kB/s | 4.5 kB 00:00
 Rocky Linux 9 - CRB

  3.6 MB/s | 2.4 MB 00:00
 Dependencies resolved.
 ===
  Package  Architecture 
  Version 
 RepositorySize
 ===
 Installing:
  mysql-devel  x86_64   
  8.0.36-1.el9_3  
 crb   92 k
 Installing dependencies:
  libzstd-develx86_64   
  1.5.1-2.el9 
 appstream 46 k
  mysql-libs   x86_64   
  8.0.36-1.el9_3  
 crb  1.2 M
  openssl-develx86_64   
  1:3.0.7-27.el9.0.2  
 appstream3.0 M
  zlib-devel   x86_64   
  1.2.11-40.el9   
 appstream 44 k
 
 Transaction Summary
 ===
 Install  5 Packages
 
 Total download size: 4.4 M
 Installed size: 12 M
 Is this ok [y/N]: y
 Downloading Packages:
 (1/5): libzstd-devel-1.5.1-2.el9.x86_64.rpm

   62 kB/s |  46 kB 00:00
 (2/5): zlib-devel-1.2.11-40.el9.x86_64.rpm 

   58 kB/s |  44 kB 00:00
 (3/5): mysql-devel-8.0.36-1.el9_3.x86_64.rpm   

  197 kB/s |  92 kB 00:00
 (4/5): openssl-devel-3.0.7-27.el9.0.2.x86_64.rpm   

  2.2 MB/s | 3.0 MB 00:01
 (5/5): mysql-libs-8.0.36-1.el9_3.x86_64.rpm

  1.2 MB/s | 1.2 MB 00:01
 

Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam cleaning error?

[Eric Broch]

It is enabled once during install of dspam for dependencies 
perl-Mail-Mbox*. It should not be enabled all the time. This was 
necessary when I built dspam for el8/9. If Rocky now has these 
dependencies we could get rid of Fedora...which would be nice.



On 8/12/2024 12:25 PM, Remo Mattei wrote:

Super that did the trick. Not sure do we not set fedora34 on by default?


On Aug 12, 2024, at 10:58 AM, Eric Broch  wrote:

Is fedora enabled in /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora34.repo



On 8/12/2024 11:38 AM, Remo Mattei wrote:

Hello Eric,
There is an issue as mysql-devel  is not available on Rocky Linux


MYSQL-DEVEL is not available 

forums.rockylinux.org 

	<8dcea115acbdf94cde48db7cc9f3c53786815d53.png> 





Suggestions?



Enabling CRB repo
CRB repo is enabled and named: crb
Mon Aug 12 11:36:29 AM MDT 2024 > /etc/rc.d
qmail7.italy1.com dnf install mysql-devel
Rocky Linux 9 - BaseOS                13 kB/s | 4.1 kB     00:00
Rocky Linux 9 - AppStream               16 kB/s | 4.5 kB     00:00
Rocky Linux 9 - CRB              3.6 MB/s | 2.4 MB     00:00
Dependencies resolved.
===
 Package  Architecture                              Version 
Repository                                    Size

===
Installing:
 mysql-devel  x86_64  8.0.36-1.el9_3      crb 92 k
Installing dependencies:
 libzstd-devel  x86_64  1.5.1-2.el9     appstream                   
                  46 k

 mysql-libs x86_64  8.0.36-1.el9_3      crb  1.2 M
 openssl-devel  x86_64  1:3.0.7-27.el9.0.2      appstream  3.0 M
 zlib-devel x86_64  1.2.11-40.el9     appstream                     
                44 k


Transaction Summary
===
Install  5 Packages

Total download size: 4.4 M
Installed size: 12 M
Is this ok [y/N]: y
Downloading Packages:
(1/5): libzstd-devel-1.5.1-2.el9.x86_64.rpm               62 kB/s | 
 46 kB     00:00
(2/5): zlib-devel-1.2.11-40.el9.x86_64.rpm                58 kB/s | 
 44 kB     00:00
(3/5): mysql-devel-8.0.36-1.el9_3.x86_64.rpm               197 kB/s 
|  92 kB     00:00
(4/5): openssl-devel-3.0.7-27.el9.0.2.x86_64.rpm               2.2 
MB/s | 3.0 MB     00:01
(5/5): mysql-libs-8.0.36-1.el9_3.x86_64.rpm              1.2 MB/s | 
1.2 MB     00:01

---
Total              2.2 MB/s | 4.4 MB     00:01
Running transaction check
Transaction check succeeded.
Running transaction test
The downloaded packages were saved in cache until the next 
successful transaction.

You can remove cached packages by executing 'dnf clean packages'.
Error: Transaction test error:
  file /usr/lib64/mysql/libmysqlclient.so.21 from install of 
mysql-libs-8.0.36-1.el9_3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package 
community-mysql-libs-8.0.23-2.fc34.x86_64





On Aug 12, 2024, at 10:30 AM, Eric Broch  
wrote:


It should be provided my mysql-devel on EL9

On 8/12/2024 11:15 AM, Remo Mattei wrote:

Hello guys has anyone seen this one?


/etc/cron.daily/dspam:

Can not run MySQL purge script:
 /usr/bin/mysql_config does not exist

Thanks in the meanwhile I will investigate it.

Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam cleaning error?

[Remo Mattei]

Super that did the trick. Not sure do we not set fedora34 on by default?

> On Aug 12, 2024, at 10:58 AM, Eric Broch  wrote:
> 
> Is fedora enabled in /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora34.repo
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/12/2024 11:38 AM, Remo Mattei wrote:
>> Hello Eric, 
>> There is an issue as mysql-devel  is not available on Rocky Linux
>> 
>> 
>> https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/mysql-devel-is-not-available/11939
>> 
>> Suggestions?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Enabling CRB repo
>> CRB repo is enabled and named: crb
>> Mon Aug 12 11:36:29 AM MDT 2024 > /etc/rc.d
>> qmail7.italy1.com dnf install mysql-devel
>> Rocky Linux 9 - BaseOS   
>>  
>>   13 kB/s | 4.1 kB 00:00
>> Rocky Linux 9 - AppStream
>>  
>>   16 kB/s | 4.5 kB 00:00
>> Rocky Linux 9 - CRB  
>>  
>>  3.6 MB/s | 2.4 MB 00:00
>> Dependencies resolved.
>> ===
>>  Package  Architecture   
>>Version 
>> RepositorySize
>> ===
>> Installing:
>>  mysql-devel  x86_64 
>>8.0.36-1.el9_3  crb   
>> 92 k
>> Installing dependencies:
>>  libzstd-develx86_64 
>>1.5.1-2.el9 
>> appstream 46 k
>>  mysql-libs   x86_64 
>>8.0.36-1.el9_3  crb   
>>1.2 M
>>  openssl-develx86_64 
>>1:3.0.7-27.el9.0.2  
>> appstream3.0 M
>>  zlib-devel   x86_64 
>>1.2.11-40.el9   
>> appstream 44 k
>> 
>> Transaction Summary
>> ===
>> Install  5 Packages
>> 
>> Total download size: 4.4 M
>> Installed size: 12 M
>> Is this ok [y/N]: y
>> Downloading Packages:
>> (1/5): libzstd-devel-1.5.1-2.el9.x86_64.rpm  
>>  
>>   62 kB/s |  46 kB 00:00
>> (2/5): zlib-devel-1.2.11-40.el9.x86_64.rpm   
>>  
>>   58 kB/s |  44 kB 00:00
>> (3/5): mysql-devel-8.0.36-1.el9_3.x86_64.rpm 
>>  
>>  197 kB/s |  92 kB 00:00
>> (4/5): openssl-devel-3.0.7-27.el9.0.2.x86_64.rpm 
>>  
>>  2.2 MB/s | 3.0 MB 00:01
>> (5/5): mysql-libs-8.0.36-1.el9_3.x86_64.rpm  
>>  
>>  1.2 MB/s | 1.2 MB 00:01
>> ---
>> Total
>>  
>>  2.2 MB/s | 4.4 MB 00:01
>> Running transaction check
>> Transaction check succeeded.
>> Running transaction test
>> The downloaded packages were saved in cache until the next successful 
>> transaction.
>> You can remove cached packages by executing 'dnf clean packages'.
>> Error: Tra

Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam cleaning error?

[Eric Broch]

Is fedora enabled in /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora34.repo



On 8/12/2024 11:38 AM, Remo Mattei wrote:

Hello Eric,
There is an issue as mysql-devel  is not available on Rocky Linux


MYSQL-DEVEL is not available 

forums.rockylinux.org 

	8dcea115acbdf94cde48db7cc9f3c53786815d53.png 





Suggestions?



Enabling CRB repo
CRB repo is enabled and named: crb
Mon Aug 12 11:36:29 AM MDT 2024 > /etc/rc.d
qmail7.italy1.com dnf install mysql-devel
Rocky Linux 9 - BaseOS                                               
 13 kB/s | 4.1 kB     00:00
Rocky Linux 9 - AppStream                                             
  16 kB/s | 4.5 kB     00:00
Rocky Linux 9 - CRB                                              3.6 
MB/s | 2.4 MB     00:00

Dependencies resolved.
===
 Package  Architecture                              Version           
                          Repository                    Size

===
Installing:
 mysql-devel                                      x86_64               
                   8.0.36-1.el9_3                            crb       
    92 k

Installing dependencies:
 libzstd-devel                                    x86_64               
                   1.5.1-2.el9                           appstream     
      46 k
 mysql-libs                                       x86_64               
                   8.0.36-1.el9_3                            crb       
   1.2 M
 openssl-devel                                    x86_64               
                   1:3.0.7-27.el9.0.2                           
 appstream          3.0 M
 zlib-devel                                       x86_64               
                   1.2.11-40.el9                           appstream   
        44 k


Transaction Summary
===
Install  5 Packages

Total download size: 4.4 M
Installed size: 12 M
Is this ok [y/N]: y
Downloading Packages:
(1/5): libzstd-devel-1.5.1-2.el9.x86_64.rpm                           
                    62 kB/s |  46 kB     00:00
(2/5): zlib-devel-1.2.11-40.el9.x86_64.rpm                             
                   58 kB/s |  44 kB     00:00
(3/5): mysql-devel-8.0.36-1.el9_3.x86_64.rpm                           
                    197 kB/s |  92 kB     00:00
(4/5): openssl-devel-3.0.7-27.el9.0.2.x86_64.rpm                       
                        2.2 MB/s | 3.0 MB     00:01
(5/5): mysql-libs-8.0.36-1.el9_3.x86_64.rpm                           
                   1.2 MB/s | 1.2 MB     00:01

---
Total                                              2.2 MB/s | 4.4 MB   
  00:01

Running transaction check
Transaction check succeeded.
Running transaction test
The downloaded packages were saved in cache until the next successful 
transaction.

You can remove cached packages by executing 'dnf clean packages'.
Error: Transaction test error:
  file /usr/lib64/mysql/libmysqlclient.so.21 from install of 
mysql-libs-8.0.36-1.el9_3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package 
community-mysql-libs-8.0.23-2.fc34.x86_64






On Aug 12, 2024, at 10:30 AM, Eric Broch  wrote:

It should be provided my mysql-devel on EL9

On 8/12/2024 11:15 AM, Remo Mattei wrote:

Hello guys has anyone seen this one?


/etc/cron.daily/dspam:

Can not run MySQL purge script:
 /usr/bin/mysql_config does not exist

Thanks in the meanwhile I will investigate it.

Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam cleaning error?

[Remo Mattei]

Hello Eric, 
There is an issue as mysql-devel  is not available on Rocky Linux


https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/mysql-devel-is-not-available/11939

Suggestions?



Enabling CRB repo
CRB repo is enabled and named: crb
Mon Aug 12 11:36:29 AM MDT 2024 > /etc/rc.d
qmail7.italy1.com dnf install mysql-devel
Rocky Linux 9 - BaseOS  

13 kB/s | 4.1 kB 00:00
Rocky Linux 9 - AppStream   

16 kB/s | 4.5 kB 00:00
Rocky Linux 9 - CRB 

   3.6 MB/s | 2.4 MB 00:00
Dependencies resolved.
===
 Package  Architecture  
Version Repository  
  Size
===
Installing:
 mysql-devel  x86_64
8.0.36-1.el9_3  crb 
  92 k
Installing dependencies:
 libzstd-develx86_64
1.5.1-2.el9 appstream   
  46 k
 mysql-libs   x86_64
8.0.36-1.el9_3  crb 
 1.2 M
 openssl-develx86_64
1:3.0.7-27.el9.0.2  appstream   
 3.0 M
 zlib-devel   x86_64
1.2.11-40.el9   appstream   
  44 k

Transaction Summary
===
Install  5 Packages

Total download size: 4.4 M
Installed size: 12 M
Is this ok [y/N]: y
Downloading Packages:
(1/5): libzstd-devel-1.5.1-2.el9.x86_64.rpm 

62 kB/s |  46 kB 00:00
(2/5): zlib-devel-1.2.11-40.el9.x86_64.rpm  

58 kB/s |  44 kB 00:00
(3/5): mysql-devel-8.0.36-1.el9_3.x86_64.rpm

   197 kB/s |  92 kB 00:00
(4/5): openssl-devel-3.0.7-27.el9.0.2.x86_64.rpm

   2.2 MB/s | 3.0 MB 00:01
(5/5): mysql-libs-8.0.36-1.el9_3.x86_64.rpm 

   1.2 MB/s | 1.2 MB 00:01
---
Total   

   2.2 MB/s | 4.4 MB 00:01
Running transaction check
Transaction check succeeded.
Running transaction test
The downloaded packages were saved in cache until the next successful 
transaction.
You can remove cached packages by executing 'dnf clean packages'.
Error: Transaction test error:
  file /usr/lib64/mysql/libmysqlclient.so.21 from install of 
mysql-libs-8.0.36-1.el9_3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package 
community-mysql-libs-8.0.23-2.fc34.x86_64




> On Aug 12, 2024, at 10:30 AM, Eric Broch  wrote:
> 
> It should be provided my mysql-devel on EL9
> 
> On 8/12/2024 11:15 AM, Remo Mattei wrote:
>> Hello guys has anyone seen this one?
>> 
>> 
>> /etc/cron.daily/dspam:
>> 
>> Can not run MySQL purge script:
>>  /usr/bin/mysql_config d

Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam cleaning error?

[Eric Broch]

It should be provided my mysql-devel on EL9

On 8/12/2024 11:15 AM, Remo Mattei wrote:

Hello guys has anyone seen this one?


/etc/cron.daily/dspam:

Can not run MySQL purge script:
 /usr/bin/mysql_config does not exist

Thanks in the meanwhile I will investigate it.

Re: [qmailtoaster] DSPAM using lots of mysql

[Remo Mattei]

Ok that got fixed with the mariadb-devel :) 

Just in case someone else was wondering.

Remo

> On Jul 18, 2022, at 10:43 AM, Remo Mattei  wrote:
> 
> Hello guys, I also notice this on Rocky 
> 
> 0logwatch  dspam  logrotate  squirrelmail.cron
> 
> root in rocky in /etc/cron.daily
> ❯ sh dspam
> Can not run MySQL purge script:
>  /usr/bin/mysql_config does not exist
> 
> Where in my other centos7 works just fine, I will have to tack it down, as I 
> am traveling now. 
> 
> Remo 
> 
>> On Jul 18, 2022, at 9:27 AM, Eric Broch  wrote:
>> 
>> Are you sure it's dspam database?
>> 
>> # du -sh /var/lib/mysql/*
>> 
>> # man dspam_clean
>> 
>> # dspam_clean -s -p -u30,15,10,10 u...@domain.com
>> 
>> 
>> On 7/18/2022 9:37 AM, Remo Mattei wrote:
>>> Hello any suggestions on cleaning up my DSPAM? It’s using 70GB :).
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Remo
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Re: [qmailtoaster] DSPAM using lots of mysql

[Remo Mattei]

Hello guys, I also notice this on Rocky 

0logwatch  dspam  logrotate  squirrelmail.cron

root in rocky in /etc/cron.daily
❯ sh dspam
Can not run MySQL purge script:
  /usr/bin/mysql_config does not exist

Where in my other centos7 works just fine, I will have to tack it down, as I am 
traveling now. 

Remo 

> On Jul 18, 2022, at 9:27 AM, Eric Broch  wrote:
> 
> Are you sure it's dspam database?
> 
> # du -sh /var/lib/mysql/*
> 
> # man dspam_clean
> 
> # dspam_clean -s -p -u30,15,10,10 u...@domain.com
> 
> 
> On 7/18/2022 9:37 AM, Remo Mattei wrote:
>> Hello any suggestions on cleaning up my DSPAM? It’s using 70GB :).
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Remo
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Re: [qmailtoaster] DSPAM using lots of mysql

[Eric Broch]

Are you sure it's dspam database?

# du -sh /var/lib/mysql/*

# man dspam_clean

# dspam_clean -s -p -u30,15,10,10 u...@domain.com


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Hello any suggestions on cleaning up my DSPAM? It’s using 70GB :).

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Re: [qmailtoaster] DSPAM Web UI frontend setup

[Remo Mattei]

Thanks Eric, 
After looking it, the script did run but reading the notes now the DSPAM user 
needs to be above 1000 and mine is at 966, I will have to check back on how to 
move it over to 1000, have not changed an account ID for a while now :) 

Remo 

> On May 30, 2021, at 10:10 AM, Eric Broch  wrote:
> 
> The below script has instructions and should get you up and running. Look 
> under
> 
> 'Do you want to implement Dspam Web [Y/N]:'
> 
> https://github.com/qmtoaster/dspam/blob/master/dspamdb.sh 
> 
> 
> On 5/30/2021 10:45 AM, Remo Mattei wrote:
>> Hello, I was looking at the site, but I did not see the steps for the DSPAM 
>> Web UI, has anyone set that up, can they share the instructions ?
>> 
>> Thanks, 
>> Remo 



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Re: [qmailtoaster] DSPAM Web UI frontend setup

[Eric Broch]

The below script has instructions and should get you up and running. 
Look under


'Do you want to implement Dspam Web [Y/N]:'

https://github.com/qmtoaster/dspam/blob/master/dspamdb.sh


On 5/30/2021 10:45 AM, Remo Mattei wrote:

Hello, I was looking at the site, but I did not see the steps for the DSPAM Web 
UI, has anyone set that up, can they share the instructions ?

Thanks,
Remo

Re: [qmailtoaster] Dspam Doesn't Install on CentOS 8

[Jim McNamara]

Thank you, Eric. That solved the issue with the installation of dspam.



On 10/7/20 4:50 PM, Eric Broch wrote:

here is the repo file and the mirror file

# cat fedora.repo
[fedora]
name=Fedora 28
mirrorlist=file:///etc/yum.repos.d/fedoramirrors
enabled=1
gpgcheck=0
priority=100

# cat fedoramirrors
https://d2lzkl7pfhq30w.cloudfront.net/pub/archive/fedora/linux/releases/28/Everything/x86_64/os/ 

http://mirror.math.princeton.edu/pub/fedora-archive/fedora/linux/releases/28/Everything/x86_64/os/ 

http://pubmirror1.math.uh.edu/fedora-buffet/archive/fedora/linux/releases/28/Everything/x86_64/os/ 

https://pubmirror2.math.uh.edu/fedora-buffet/archive/fedora/linux/releases/28/Everything/x86_64/os/ 

http://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora-buffet/archive/fedora/linux/releases/28/Everything/x86_64/os/ 

https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/archive/fedora/linux/releases/28/Everything/x86_64/os/ 



On 10/7/2020 2:28 PM, Eric Broch wrote:
I enabled fedora 28 repo at priority=100 (standard 99) so as not to 
mess with el8.


Two packages are required from fedora

 perl-Mail-Mbox-MessageParser noarch 1.5105-11.fc28 
fedora   59 k
 perl-Mail-MboxParser noarch 0.55-22.fc28 
fedora   61 k


On 10/7/2020 9:42 AM, Jim McNamara wrote:

Hello, folks.


I am in process of building a machine on CentOS 8 via the scripts 
and instructions from http://www.qmailtoaster.net/. I've encountered 
a problem with dspam however. When I download and execute 
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/qmtoaster/dspam/master/dspamdb.sh, 
this is the immediate output -



[root@catchmail2 installs]# ./dspamdb.sh
Last metadata expiration check: 1:45:28 ago on Wed 07 Oct 2020 
08:39:09 AM EDT.

Error:
 Problem 1: conflicting requests
  - nothing provides perl(Mail::MboxParser) needed by 
dspam-3.10.2-31.qt.mariadb.el8.x86_64

 Problem 2: conflicting requests
  - nothing provides perl(GD::Graph::lines3d) needed by 
dspam-web-3.10.2-31.qt.mariadb.el8.x86_64
(try to add '--skip-broken' to skip uninstallable packages or 
'--nobest' to use not only best candidate packages)



The rest of the script continues and creates the database, but 
nothing practical gets installed:



[root@catchmail2 installs]# which dspam
/usr/bin/which: no dspam in 
(/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/root/bin)

[root@catchmail2 installs]# find /usr -name dspam
/usr/share/selinux/targeted/default/active/modules/100/dspam
[root@catchmail2 installs]#

In the (distant) past I got myself into deep trouble having some 
Perl modules installed via the OS and others from CPAN, more often 
than not the two separate install types wouldn't see/interact with 
one another, even when things end up somewhere below /usr/local.



Before I tried again with the suggested --skip-broken or --nobest 
options added into the script, I wanted to write to make Eric aware 
that there's missing dependencies on a clean CentOS 8 install.



I'll snapshot the machine and try again with --nobest. My suspicion 
is GD::Graph::lines3d would be unnecessary for a functional tool, 
but Mail::MboxParser is most likely a must have and no clear path to 
get it.



If anyone has suggestions to those packages, I'd love to hear your 
suggestions.



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Re: [qmailtoaster] Dspam Doesn't Install on CentOS 8

[Eric Broch]

here is the repo file and the mirror file

# cat fedora.repo
[fedora]
name=Fedora 28
mirrorlist=file:///etc/yum.repos.d/fedoramirrors
enabled=1
gpgcheck=0
priority=100

# cat fedoramirrors
https://d2lzkl7pfhq30w.cloudfront.net/pub/archive/fedora/linux/releases/28/Everything/x86_64/os/
http://mirror.math.princeton.edu/pub/fedora-archive/fedora/linux/releases/28/Everything/x86_64/os/
http://pubmirror1.math.uh.edu/fedora-buffet/archive/fedora/linux/releases/28/Everything/x86_64/os/
https://pubmirror2.math.uh.edu/fedora-buffet/archive/fedora/linux/releases/28/Everything/x86_64/os/
http://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora-buffet/archive/fedora/linux/releases/28/Everything/x86_64/os/
https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/archive/fedora/linux/releases/28/Everything/x86_64/os/

On 10/7/2020 2:28 PM, Eric Broch wrote:
I enabled fedora 28 repo at priority=100 (standard 99) so as not to 
mess with el8.


Two packages are required from fedora

 perl-Mail-Mbox-MessageParser noarch 1.5105-11.fc28 
fedora   59 k
 perl-Mail-MboxParser noarch 0.55-22.fc28 
fedora   61 k


On 10/7/2020 9:42 AM, Jim McNamara wrote:

Hello, folks.


I am in process of building a machine on CentOS 8 via the scripts and 
instructions from http://www.qmailtoaster.net/. I've encountered a 
problem with dspam however. When I download and execute 
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/qmtoaster/dspam/master/dspamdb.sh, 
this is the immediate output -



[root@catchmail2 installs]# ./dspamdb.sh
Last metadata expiration check: 1:45:28 ago on Wed 07 Oct 2020 
08:39:09 AM EDT.

Error:
 Problem 1: conflicting requests
  - nothing provides perl(Mail::MboxParser) needed by 
dspam-3.10.2-31.qt.mariadb.el8.x86_64

 Problem 2: conflicting requests
  - nothing provides perl(GD::Graph::lines3d) needed by 
dspam-web-3.10.2-31.qt.mariadb.el8.x86_64
(try to add '--skip-broken' to skip uninstallable packages or 
'--nobest' to use not only best candidate packages)



The rest of the script continues and creates the database, but 
nothing practical gets installed:



[root@catchmail2 installs]# which dspam
/usr/bin/which: no dspam in 
(/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/root/bin)

[root@catchmail2 installs]# find /usr -name dspam
/usr/share/selinux/targeted/default/active/modules/100/dspam
[root@catchmail2 installs]#

In the (distant) past I got myself into deep trouble having some Perl 
modules installed via the OS and others from CPAN, more often than 
not the two separate install types wouldn't see/interact with one 
another, even when things end up somewhere below /usr/local.



Before I tried again with the suggested --skip-broken or --nobest 
options added into the script, I wanted to write to make Eric aware 
that there's missing dependencies on a clean CentOS 8 install.



I'll snapshot the machine and try again with --nobest. My suspicion 
is GD::Graph::lines3d would be unnecessary for a functional tool, but 
Mail::MboxParser is most likely a must have and no clear path to get it.



If anyone has suggestions to those packages, I'd love to hear your 
suggestions.



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Re: [qmailtoaster] Dspam Doesn't Install on CentOS 8

[Eric Broch]

I enabled fedora 28 repo at priority=100 (standard 99) so as not to mess 
with el8.


Two packages are required from fedora

 perl-Mail-Mbox-MessageParser noarch 1.5105-11.fc28 
fedora   59 k
 perl-Mail-MboxParser noarch 0.55-22.fc28 
fedora   61 k


On 10/7/2020 9:42 AM, Jim McNamara wrote:

Hello, folks.


I am in process of building a machine on CentOS 8 via the scripts and 
instructions from http://www.qmailtoaster.net/. I've encountered a 
problem with dspam however. When I download and execute 
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/qmtoaster/dspam/master/dspamdb.sh, 
this is the immediate output -



[root@catchmail2 installs]# ./dspamdb.sh
Last metadata expiration check: 1:45:28 ago on Wed 07 Oct 2020 
08:39:09 AM EDT.

Error:
 Problem 1: conflicting requests
  - nothing provides perl(Mail::MboxParser) needed by 
dspam-3.10.2-31.qt.mariadb.el8.x86_64

 Problem 2: conflicting requests
  - nothing provides perl(GD::Graph::lines3d) needed by 
dspam-web-3.10.2-31.qt.mariadb.el8.x86_64
(try to add '--skip-broken' to skip uninstallable packages or 
'--nobest' to use not only best candidate packages)



The rest of the script continues and creates the database, but nothing 
practical gets installed:



[root@catchmail2 installs]# which dspam
/usr/bin/which: no dspam in 
(/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/root/bin)

[root@catchmail2 installs]# find /usr -name dspam
/usr/share/selinux/targeted/default/active/modules/100/dspam
[root@catchmail2 installs]#

In the (distant) past I got myself into deep trouble having some Perl 
modules installed via the OS and others from CPAN, more often than not 
the two separate install types wouldn't see/interact with one another, 
even when things end up somewhere below /usr/local.



Before I tried again with the suggested --skip-broken or --nobest 
options added into the script, I wanted to write to make Eric aware 
that there's missing dependencies on a clean CentOS 8 install.



I'll snapshot the machine and try again with --nobest. My suspicion is 
GD::Graph::lines3d would be unnecessary for a functional tool, but 
Mail::MboxParser is most likely a must have and no clear path to get it.



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Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam -- yay or nay?

[Eric Broch]

When you do a wget it should retain the privileges of the existing file.

On 9/1/2020 4:34 AM, Eric Broch wrote:


yes

On 9/1/2020 1:39 AM, David Bray wrote:

Hey cool thanks for the dir listing
is the permissions critical here, noting that 
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/qmtoaster/dspam/master/dspamdb.sh

leaves the ownership as root.root and perms 644

David Bray
0418 745334
2 ∞ & <


On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 at 23:29, Eric Broch > wrote:


Here's my domain level directory. There are no .qmail-user files
only .qmail-default :

# ls -la /home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain.tld/
total 24
drwx-- 11 vpopmail vchkpw 4096 Oct 31  2019 .
drwx--  8 vpopmail vchkpw 4096 Apr  6  2019 ..
drwx--  3 vpopmail vchkpw  143 Dec 28  2016 user1
drwx--  3 vpopmail vchkpw  143 Dec 28  2016 user2
drwx--  4 vpopmail vchkpw 4096 Aug 16 13:39 user2
drwx--  3 vpopmail vchkpw  143 Dec 28  2016 user4
drwx--  3 vpopmail vchkpw  143 Dec 28  2016 user5
drwx--  3 vpopmail vchkpw 4096 Apr  8  2019 postmaster
-rw---  1 vpopmail vchkpw   56 Sep 14  2017 .qmail-default

Eric


On 8/31/2020 7:23 AM, Eric Broch wrote:


In the PER USER configuration the
'/home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain.tld/.qmail-default' file
doesn't change and remains:

| /home/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail '' bounce-no-mailbox



On 8/31/2020 7:20 AM, Eric Broch wrote:


So, here's what the directory directory looks like:

# ls -la /home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain.tld/user
total 52
drwx--   4 vpopmail vchkpw  4096 Aug 16 13:39 .
drwx--  11 vpopmail vchkpw  4096 Oct 31  2019 ..
drwx-- 357 vpopmail vchkpw 12288 Aug 31 07:10 Maildir
-rw---   1 vpopmail vchkpw    21 Dec 28  2016 .mailfilter.dspam
-rw---   1 vpopmail vchkpw    42 Aug 16 13:38 .qmail


.qmail file (one line no quotes):  "| preline /usr/bin/maildrop
./.mailfilter.dspam"


.mailfilter.dspam (here)  
.


Eric



On 8/31/2020 7:09 AM, Eric Broch wrote:


When I do per user the file .qmail file resides in that
person's home email directory
'/home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain.tld/user' (in the same
directory as Maildir).

This .qmail file contains the following:

| preline /usr/bin/maildrop ./.mailfilter.dspam

.mailfilter.dspamhere  
.


It does NOT duplicate email.


On 8/30/2020 10:33 PM, Remo Mattei wrote:

I have a little diff variant from Eric,
If I do the top level like Eric I do have the same config, if
I do per user I have the following in the .qmail-user

|/usr/bin/dspam  --deliver=innocent --user $EXT@$USER --debug
--mode=teft --feature=noise,whitelist --stdout -p -m |
/home/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail ''
/home/vpopmail/domains/domain.ht/user 

Keep in mind if you do use RC, this becomes tricky since the
.qmail-user will become .qmail inside of the user home dir
and this will make duplicates (emails).

Just my 2 cents. Overall, it’s pretty similar to what Eric has.

Remo


On Aug 30, 2020, at 6:40 PM, David Bray
mailto:da...@brayworth.com.au>> wrote:

Thanks
My understanding of the beast just increased

Cheers

David Bray
0418 745334
2 ∞ & <


On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 at 11:29, Eric Broch
mailto:ebr...@whitehorsetc.com>>
wrote:

This is the contents of the .qmail-default (domain
level) file that's existed since the beginning and never
changed (directory: /home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain) :

| /usr/bin/dspam --user "$EXT@$HOST" --deliver=stdout | 
/home/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail '' bounce-no-mailbox

The .qmail file if one decides to run dspam by user (not domain) is as 
follows (/home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain/myuser) :

| preline /usr/bin/maildrop ./.mailfilter.dspam

.mailfilter.dspamhere  
.

The lines provided in the previous email do not call dspam at all 
(below):



it creates the .qmail as a result

|/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A 'Content-Filter: 
maildrop-toaster' /etc/mail/mailfilter


if you then edit the account via the admin panel that file becomes:

|/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A 'Content-Filter: 
maildrop-toaster' /etc/mail/mailfilter
/home/vpopmail/domains/brayworth.com/[user]/Maildir/  




Eric

On 8/30/2020 7:06 PM, David Bray wrote:

Ok - working backwards from memory here
and when I read the install script I can see that the
.qmail file is not created

so (and this is getting off topic now)

  * there shoul

Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam -- yay or nay?

[Eric Broch]

yes

On 9/1/2020 1:39 AM, David Bray wrote:

Hey cool thanks for the dir listing
is the permissions critical here, noting that 
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/qmtoaster/dspam/master/dspamdb.sh

leaves the ownership as root.root and perms 644

David Bray
0418 745334
2 ∞ & <


On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 at 23:29, Eric Broch > wrote:


Here's my domain level directory. There are no .qmail-user files
only .qmail-default :

# ls -la /home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain.tld/
total 24
drwx-- 11 vpopmail vchkpw 4096 Oct 31  2019 .
drwx--  8 vpopmail vchkpw 4096 Apr  6  2019 ..
drwx--  3 vpopmail vchkpw  143 Dec 28  2016 user1
drwx--  3 vpopmail vchkpw  143 Dec 28  2016 user2
drwx--  4 vpopmail vchkpw 4096 Aug 16 13:39 user2
drwx--  3 vpopmail vchkpw  143 Dec 28  2016 user4
drwx--  3 vpopmail vchkpw  143 Dec 28  2016 user5
drwx--  3 vpopmail vchkpw 4096 Apr  8  2019 postmaster
-rw---  1 vpopmail vchkpw   56 Sep 14  2017 .qmail-default

Eric


On 8/31/2020 7:23 AM, Eric Broch wrote:


In the PER USER configuration the
'/home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain.tld/.qmail-default' file doesn't
change and remains:

| /home/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail '' bounce-no-mailbox



On 8/31/2020 7:20 AM, Eric Broch wrote:


So, here's what the directory directory looks like:

# ls -la /home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain.tld/user
total 52
drwx--   4 vpopmail vchkpw  4096 Aug 16 13:39 .
drwx--  11 vpopmail vchkpw  4096 Oct 31  2019 ..
drwx-- 357 vpopmail vchkpw 12288 Aug 31 07:10 Maildir
-rw---   1 vpopmail vchkpw    21 Dec 28  2016 .mailfilter.dspam
-rw---   1 vpopmail vchkpw    42 Aug 16 13:38 .qmail


.qmail file (one line no quotes):  "| preline /usr/bin/maildrop
./.mailfilter.dspam"


.mailfilter.dspam (here)  
.


Eric



On 8/31/2020 7:09 AM, Eric Broch wrote:


When I do per user the file .qmail file resides in that
person's home email directory
'/home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain.tld/user' (in the same
directory as Maildir).

This .qmail file contains the following:

| preline /usr/bin/maildrop ./.mailfilter.dspam

.mailfilter.dspamhere  
.


It does NOT duplicate email.


On 8/30/2020 10:33 PM, Remo Mattei wrote:

I have a little diff variant from Eric,
If I do the top level like Eric I do have the same config, if
I do per user I have the following in the .qmail-user

|/usr/bin/dspam  --deliver=innocent --user $EXT@$USER --debug
--mode=teft --feature=noise,whitelist --stdout -p -m |
/home/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail ''
/home/vpopmail/domains/domain.ht/user 

Keep in mind if you do use RC, this becomes tricky since the
.qmail-user will become .qmail inside of the user home dir and
this will make duplicates (emails).

Just my 2 cents. Overall, it’s pretty similar to what Eric has.

Remo


On Aug 30, 2020, at 6:40 PM, David Bray
mailto:da...@brayworth.com.au>> wrote:

Thanks
My understanding of the beast just increased

Cheers

David Bray
0418 745334
2 ∞ & <


On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 at 11:29, Eric Broch
mailto:ebr...@whitehorsetc.com>> wrote:

This is the contents of the .qmail-default (domain level)
file that's existed since the beginning and never changed
(directory: /home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain) :

| /usr/bin/dspam --user "$EXT@$HOST" --deliver=stdout | 
/home/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail '' bounce-no-mailbox

The .qmail file if one decides to run dspam by user (not domain) is as 
follows (/home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain/myuser) :

| preline /usr/bin/maildrop ./.mailfilter.dspam

.mailfilter.dspamhere  
.

The lines provided in the previous email do not call dspam at all 
(below):



it creates the .qmail as a result

|/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A 'Content-Filter: 
maildrop-toaster' /etc/mail/mailfilter


if you then edit the account via the admin panel that file becomes:

|/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A 'Content-Filter: 
maildrop-toaster' /etc/mail/mailfilter
/home/vpopmail/domains/brayworth.com/[user]/Maildir/  




Eric

On 8/30/2020 7:06 PM, David Bray wrote:

Ok - working backwards from memory here
and when I read the install script I can see that the
.qmail file is not created

so (and this is getting off topic now)

  * there should only be a .qmail-default and not a .qmail
  * and
it's likely that these came from an older insta

Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam -- yay or nay?

[David Bray]

Hey cool thanks for the dir listing
is the permissions critical here, noting that
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/qmtoaster/dspam/master/dspamdb.sh
leaves the ownership as root.root and perms 644

David Bray
0418 745334
2 ∞ & <


On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 at 23:29, Eric Broch  wrote:

> Here's my domain level directory. There are no .qmail-user files only
> .qmail-default :
>
> # ls -la /home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain.tld/
> total 24
> drwx-- 11 vpopmail vchkpw 4096 Oct 31  2019 .
> drwx--  8 vpopmail vchkpw 4096 Apr  6  2019 ..
> drwx--  3 vpopmail vchkpw  143 Dec 28  2016 user1
> drwx--  3 vpopmail vchkpw  143 Dec 28  2016 user2
> drwx--  4 vpopmail vchkpw 4096 Aug 16 13:39 user2
> drwx--  3 vpopmail vchkpw  143 Dec 28  2016 user4
> drwx--  3 vpopmail vchkpw  143 Dec 28  2016 user5
> drwx--  3 vpopmail vchkpw 4096 Apr  8  2019 postmaster
> -rw---  1 vpopmail vchkpw   56 Sep 14  2017 .qmail-default
>
> Eric
>
>
> On 8/31/2020 7:23 AM, Eric Broch wrote:
>
> In the PER USER configuration the
> '/home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain.tld/.qmail-default' file doesn't change
> and remains:
>
> | /home/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail '' bounce-no-mailbox
>
>
>
> On 8/31/2020 7:20 AM, Eric Broch wrote:
>
> So, here's what the directory directory looks like:
>
> # ls -la /home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain.tld/user
> total 52
> drwx--   4 vpopmail vchkpw  4096 Aug 16 13:39 .
> drwx--  11 vpopmail vchkpw  4096 Oct 31  2019 ..
> drwx-- 357 vpopmail vchkpw 12288 Aug 31 07:10 Maildir
> -rw---   1 vpopmail vchkpw21 Dec 28  2016 .mailfilter.dspam
> -rw---   1 vpopmail vchkpw42 Aug 16 13:38 .qmail
>
>
> .qmail file (one line no quotes):  "| preline /usr/bin/maildrop
> ./.mailfilter.dspam"
>
>
> .mailfilter.dspam (here) 
> .
>
>
> Eric
>
>
>
> On 8/31/2020 7:09 AM, Eric Broch wrote:
>
> When I do per user the file .qmail file resides in that person's home
> email directory '/home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain.tld/user' (in the same
> directory as Maildir).
>
> This .qmail file contains the following:
>
> | preline /usr/bin/maildrop ./.mailfilter.dspam
>
> .mailfilter.dspam here 
> .
>
>
> It does NOT duplicate email.
>
>
> On 8/30/2020 10:33 PM, Remo Mattei wrote:
>
> I have a little diff variant from Eric,
> If I do the top level like Eric I do have the same config, if I do per
> user I have the following in the .qmail-user
>
> |/usr/bin/dspam  --deliver=innocent --user $EXT@$USER --debug --mode=teft
> --feature=noise,whitelist --stdout -p -m | /home/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail
> '' /home/vpopmail/domains/domain.ht/user
>
> Keep in mind if you do use RC, this becomes tricky since the .qmail-user
> will become .qmail inside of the user home dir and this will make
> duplicates (emails).
>
> Just my 2 cents. Overall, it’s pretty similar to what Eric has.
>
> Remo
>
> On Aug 30, 2020, at 6:40 PM, David Bray  wrote:
>
> Thanks
> My understanding of the beast just increased
>
> Cheers
>
> David Bray
> 0418 745334
> 2 ∞ & <
>
>
> On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 at 11:29, Eric Broch  wrote:
>
>> This is the contents of the .qmail-default (domain level) file that's
>> existed since the beginning and never changed (directory:
>> /home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain) :
>>
>> | /usr/bin/dspam --user "$EXT@$HOST" --deliver=stdout | 
>> /home/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail '' bounce-no-mailbox
>>
>> The .qmail file if one decides to run dspam by user (not domain) is as 
>> follows (/home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain/myuser) :
>>
>> | preline /usr/bin/maildrop ./.mailfilter.dspam
>>
>> .mailfilter.dspam here 
>> .
>>
>> The lines provided in the previous email do not call dspam at all (below):
>>
>> 
>>
>> it creates the .qmail as a result
>>
>> |/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A 'Content-Filter: 
>> maildrop-toaster' /etc/mail/mailfilter
>>
>>
>> if you then edit the account via the admin panel that file becomes:
>>
>> |/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A 'Content-Filter: 
>> maildrop-toaster' /etc/mail/mailfilter
>> /home/vpopmail/domains/brayworth.com/[user]/Maildir/ 
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On 8/30/2020 7:06 PM, David Bray wrote:
>>
>> Ok - working backwards from memory here
>> and when I read the install script I can see that the .qmail file is not
>> created
>>
>> so (and this is getting off topic now)
>>
>>- there should only be a .qmail-default and not a .qmail
>>- and
>>it's likely that these came from an older install
>>   - so they should be removed ..
>>
>>
>> David Bray
>> 0418 745334
>> 2 ∞ & <
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 at 09:53, Eric Broch  wrote:
>>
>>> Hmmm...
>>>
>>> I never had double delivery and mine's been installed for 5 years or
>>> more.
>>>
>>> The install script installs only one dot qmail file (.qmail-default),
>>> and 

Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam -- yay or nay?

[Eric Broch]

And, you're not using DSpam

On 8/31/2020 4:52 PM, Eric Broch wrote:


You're good and are using Sieve it looks like.

On 8/31/2020 4:50 PM, Leonardo wrote:


All my domains have only .qmail-default at domain level (and none at 
user level):


| /home/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail '' bounce-no-mailbox

Except one only-tests domain has:

|/var/qmail/bin/preline -f /usr/libexec/dovecot/deliver -d $EXT@$USER 
-o postmaster_address=postmaster@domain


I have a COS7 and used the install scripts but I remember when I use 
Qmail Admin for vacation messages and aliases it didn't work, so I 
had to replace the dovecot/deliver line for the vdelivermail line.


So I guess I'm not using dspam at all, right?

Em 2020-08-31 10:28, Eric Broch escreveu:

Here's my domain level directory. There are no .qmail-user files 
only .qmail-default :


# ls -la /home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain.tld/
total 24
drwx-- 11 vpopmail vchkpw 4096 Oct 31  2019 .
drwx--  8 vpopmail vchkpw 4096 Apr  6  2019 ..
drwx--  3 vpopmail vchkpw  143 Dec 28  2016 user1
drwx--  3 vpopmail vchkpw  143 Dec 28  2016 user2
drwx--  4 vpopmail vchkpw 4096 Aug 16 13:39 user2
drwx--  3 vpopmail vchkpw  143 Dec 28  2016 user4
drwx--  3 vpopmail vchkpw  143 Dec 28  2016 user5
drwx--  3 vpopmail vchkpw 4096 Apr  8  2019 postmaster
-rw---  1 vpopmail vchkpw   56 Sep 14  2017 .qmail-default

Eric

On 8/31/2020 7:23 AM, Eric Broch wrote:


In the PER USER configuration the 
'/home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain.tld/.qmail-default' file doesn't 
change and remains:


| /home/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail '' bounce-no-mailbox

On 8/31/2020 7:20 AM, Eric Broch wrote:


So, here's what the directory directory looks like:

# ls -la /home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain.tld/user
total 52
drwx--   4 vpopmail vchkpw  4096 Aug 16 13:39 .
drwx--  11 vpopmail vchkpw  4096 Oct 31  2019 ..
drwx-- 357 vpopmail vchkpw 12288 Aug 31 07:10 Maildir
-rw---   1 vpopmail vchkpw    21 Dec 28  2016 .mailfilter.dspam
-rw---   1 vpopmail vchkpw    42 Aug 16 13:38 .qmail

.qmail file (one line no quotes):  "| preline /usr/bin/maildrop 
./.mailfilter.dspam"


.mailfilter.dspam (here)  
.

Eric


On 8/31/2020 7:09 AM, Eric Broch wrote:


When I do per user the file .qmail file resides in that person's 
home email directory '/home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain.tld/user' 
(in the same directory as Maildir).


This .qmail file contains the following:

| preline /usr/bin/maildrop ./.mailfilter.dspam

.mailfilter.dspamhere  
.


It does NOT duplicate email.

On 8/30/2020 10:33 PM, Remo Mattei wrote:

I have a little diff variant from Eric,
If I do the top level like Eric I do have the same config, if I 
do per user I have the following in the .qmail-user
|/usr/bin/dspam  --deliver=innocent --user $EXT@$USER --debug 
--mode=teft --feature=noise,whitelist --stdout -p -m | 
/home/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail '' 
/home/vpopmail/domains/domain.ht/user
Keep in mind if you do use RC, this becomes tricky since the 
.qmail-user will become .qmail inside of the user home dir and 
this will make duplicates (emails).

Just my 2 cents. Overall, it's pretty similar to what Eric has.
Remo

On Aug 30, 2020, at 6:40 PM, David Bray > wrote:


Thanks
My understanding of the beast just increased
Cheers

David Bray
0418 745334
2 ∞ & <

On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 at 11:29, Eric Broch 
mailto:ebr...@whitehorsetc.com>> wrote:


This is the contents of the .qmail-default (domain level)
file that's existed since the beginning and never changed
(directory: /home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain) :

| /usr/bin/dspam --user "$EXT@$HOST" --deliver=stdout | 
/home/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail '' bounce-no-mailbox

The .qmail file if one decides to run dspam by user (not domain) is as 
follows (/home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain/myuser) :

| preline /usr/bin/maildrop ./.mailfilter.dspam

.mailfilter.dspamhere  
.

The lines provided in the previous email do not call dspam at all (below):



it creates the .qmail as a result

|/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A 'Content-Filter: 
maildrop-toaster' /etc/mail/mailfilter


if you then edit the account via the admin panel that file becomes:

|/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A 'Content-Filter: 
maildrop-toaster' /etc/mail/mailfilter
/home/vpopmail/domains/brayworth.com/[user]/Maildir/  




Eric

On 8/30/2020 7:06 PM, David Bray wrote:

Ok - working backwards from memory here
and when I read the install script I can see that the
.qmail file is not created
so (and this is getting off topic now)

  * there should only be a .qmail-default and not a .qmail
  * and
it's likely that these came from an o

Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam -- yay or nay?

[Eric Broch]

You're good and are using Sieve it looks like.

On 8/31/2020 4:50 PM, Leonardo wrote:


All my domains have only .qmail-default at domain level (and none at 
user level):


| /home/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail '' bounce-no-mailbox

Except one only-tests domain has:

|/var/qmail/bin/preline -f /usr/libexec/dovecot/deliver -d $EXT@$USER 
-o postmaster_address=postmaster@domain


I have a COS7 and used the install scripts but I remember when I use 
Qmail Admin for vacation messages and aliases it didn't work, so I had 
to replace the dovecot/deliver line for the vdelivermail line.


So I guess I'm not using dspam at all, right?

Em 2020-08-31 10:28, Eric Broch escreveu:

Here's my domain level directory. There are no .qmail-user files only 
.qmail-default :


# ls -la /home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain.tld/
total 24
drwx-- 11 vpopmail vchkpw 4096 Oct 31  2019 .
drwx--  8 vpopmail vchkpw 4096 Apr  6  2019 ..
drwx--  3 vpopmail vchkpw  143 Dec 28  2016 user1
drwx--  3 vpopmail vchkpw  143 Dec 28  2016 user2
drwx--  4 vpopmail vchkpw 4096 Aug 16 13:39 user2
drwx--  3 vpopmail vchkpw  143 Dec 28  2016 user4
drwx--  3 vpopmail vchkpw  143 Dec 28  2016 user5
drwx--  3 vpopmail vchkpw 4096 Apr  8  2019 postmaster
-rw---  1 vpopmail vchkpw   56 Sep 14  2017 .qmail-default

Eric

On 8/31/2020 7:23 AM, Eric Broch wrote:


In the PER USER configuration the 
'/home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain.tld/.qmail-default' file doesn't 
change and remains:


| /home/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail '' bounce-no-mailbox

On 8/31/2020 7:20 AM, Eric Broch wrote:


So, here's what the directory directory looks like:

# ls -la /home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain.tld/user
total 52
drwx--   4 vpopmail vchkpw  4096 Aug 16 13:39 .
drwx--  11 vpopmail vchkpw  4096 Oct 31  2019 ..
drwx-- 357 vpopmail vchkpw 12288 Aug 31 07:10 Maildir
-rw---   1 vpopmail vchkpw    21 Dec 28  2016 .mailfilter.dspam
-rw---   1 vpopmail vchkpw    42 Aug 16 13:38 .qmail

.qmail file (one line no quotes):  "| preline /usr/bin/maildrop 
./.mailfilter.dspam"


.mailfilter.dspam (here)  
.

Eric


On 8/31/2020 7:09 AM, Eric Broch wrote:


When I do per user the file .qmail file resides in that person's 
home email directory '/home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain.tld/user' 
(in the same directory as Maildir).


This .qmail file contains the following:

| preline /usr/bin/maildrop ./.mailfilter.dspam

.mailfilter.dspamhere  
.


It does NOT duplicate email.

On 8/30/2020 10:33 PM, Remo Mattei wrote:

I have a little diff variant from Eric,
If I do the top level like Eric I do have the same config, if I 
do per user I have the following in the .qmail-user
|/usr/bin/dspam  --deliver=innocent --user $EXT@$USER --debug 
--mode=teft --feature=noise,whitelist --stdout -p -m | 
/home/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail '' 
/home/vpopmail/domains/domain.ht/user
Keep in mind if you do use RC, this becomes tricky since the 
.qmail-user will become .qmail inside of the user home dir and 
this will make duplicates (emails).

Just my 2 cents. Overall, it's pretty similar to what Eric has.
Remo

On Aug 30, 2020, at 6:40 PM, David Bray > wrote:


Thanks
My understanding of the beast just increased
Cheers

David Bray
0418 745334
2 ∞ & <

On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 at 11:29, Eric Broch 
mailto:ebr...@whitehorsetc.com>> wrote:


This is the contents of the .qmail-default (domain level)
file that's existed since the beginning and never changed
(directory: /home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain) :

| /usr/bin/dspam --user "$EXT@$HOST" --deliver=stdout | 
/home/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail '' bounce-no-mailbox

The .qmail file if one decides to run dspam by user (not domain) is as 
follows (/home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain/myuser) :

| preline /usr/bin/maildrop ./.mailfilter.dspam

.mailfilter.dspamhere  
.

The lines provided in the previous email do not call dspam at all (below):



it creates the .qmail as a result

|/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A 'Content-Filter: 
maildrop-toaster' /etc/mail/mailfilter


if you then edit the account via the admin panel that file becomes:

|/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A 'Content-Filter: 
maildrop-toaster' /etc/mail/mailfilter
/home/vpopmail/domains/brayworth.com/[user]/Maildir/  




Eric

On 8/30/2020 7:06 PM, David Bray wrote:

Ok - working backwards from memory here
and when I read the install script I can see that the
.qmail file is not created
so (and this is getting off topic now)

  * there should only be a .qmail-default and not a .qmail
  * and
it's likely that these came from an older install
  o so they should be removed ..


David Bray

Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam -- yay or nay?

[Leonardo]

All my domains have only .qmail-default at domain level (and none at
user level): 

| /home/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail '' bounce-no-mailbox 

Except one only-tests domain has: 

|/var/qmail/bin/preline -f /usr/libexec/dovecot/deliver -d $EXT@$USER -o
postmaster_address=postmaster@domain 

I have a COS7 and used the install scripts but I remember when I use
Qmail Admin for vacation messages and aliases it didn't work, so I had
to replace the dovecot/deliver line for the vdelivermail line. 

So I guess I'm not using dspam at all, right?

Em 2020-08-31 10:28, Eric Broch escreveu:

> Here's my domain level directory. There are no .qmail-user files only 
> .qmail-default : 
> 
> # ls -la /home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain.tld/
> total 24
> drwx-- 11 vpopmail vchkpw 4096 Oct 31  2019 .
> drwx--  8 vpopmail vchkpw 4096 Apr  6  2019 ..
> drwx--  3 vpopmail vchkpw  143 Dec 28  2016 user1
> drwx--  3 vpopmail vchkpw  143 Dec 28  2016 user2
> drwx--  4 vpopmail vchkpw 4096 Aug 16 13:39 user2
> drwx--  3 vpopmail vchkpw  143 Dec 28  2016 user4
> drwx--  3 vpopmail vchkpw  143 Dec 28  2016 user5
> drwx--  3 vpopmail vchkpw 4096 Apr  8  2019 postmaster
> -rw---  1 vpopmail vchkpw   56 Sep 14  2017 .qmail-default 
> 
> Eric 
> 
> On 8/31/2020 7:23 AM, Eric Broch wrote: 
> 
> In the PER USER configuration the 
> '/home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain.tld/.qmail-default' file doesn't change and 
> remains: 
> 
> | /home/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail '' bounce-no-mailbox 
> 
> On 8/31/2020 7:20 AM, Eric Broch wrote: 
> 
> So, here's what the directory directory looks like: 
> 
> # ls -la /home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain.tld/user
> total 52
> drwx--   4 vpopmail vchkpw  4096 Aug 16 13:39 .
> drwx--  11 vpopmail vchkpw  4096 Oct 31  2019 ..
> drwx-- 357 vpopmail vchkpw 12288 Aug 31 07:10 Maildir
> -rw---   1 vpopmail vchkpw21 Dec 28  2016 .mailfilter.dspam
> -rw---   1 vpopmail vchkpw42 Aug 16 13:38 .qmail 
> 
> .qmail file (one line no quotes):  "| preline /usr/bin/maildrop 
> ./.mailfilter.dspam" 
> 
> .mailfilter.dspam (here) [1].
> 
> Eric 
> 
> On 8/31/2020 7:09 AM, Eric Broch wrote: 
> 
> When I do per user the file .qmail file resides in that person's home email 
> directory '/home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain.tld/user' (in the same directory 
> as Maildir). 
> 
> This .qmail file contains the following:
> 
> | preline /usr/bin/maildrop ./.mailfilter.dspam
> 
> .mailfilter.dspam here [1].
> 
> It does NOT duplicate email.
> 
> On 8/30/2020 10:33 PM, Remo Mattei wrote: I have a little diff variant from 
> Eric,  
> If I do the top level like Eric I do have the same config, if I do per user I 
> have the following in the .qmail-user  
> 
> |/usr/bin/dspam  --deliver=innocent --user $EXT@$USER --debug --mode=teft 
> --feature=noise,whitelist --stdout -p -m | /home/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail '' 
> /home/vpopmail/domains/domain.ht/user 
> 
> Keep in mind if you do use RC, this becomes tricky since the .qmail-user will 
> become .qmail inside of the user home dir and this will make duplicates 
> (emails).  
> 
> Just my 2 cents. Overall, it's pretty similar to what Eric has.  
> 
> Remo 
> 
> On Aug 30, 2020, at 6:40 PM, David Bray  wrote: 
> 
> Thanks 
> My understanding of the beast just increased 
> 
> Cheers 
> 
> David Bray 
> 0418 745334
> 2 ∞ & < 
> 
> On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 at 11:29, Eric Broch  wrote: 
> 
> This is the contents of the .qmail-default (domain level) file that's existed 
> since the beginning and never changed (directory: 
> /home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain) :
> 
> | /usr/bin/dspam --user "$EXT@$HOST" --deliver=stdout | 
> /home/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail '' bounce-no-mailbox
> 
> The .qmail file if one decides to run dspam by user (not domain) is as 
> follows (/home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain/myuser) :
> 
> | preline /usr/bin/maildrop ./.mailfilter.dspam
> 
> .mailfilter.dspam here [1].
> 
> The lines provided in the previous email do not call dspam at all (below):
> 
> 
> 
> it creates the .qmail as a result   
> 
> |/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A 'Content-Filter: 
> maildrop-toaster' /etc/mail/mailfilter
> 
> if you then edit the account via the admin panel that file becomes:
> 
> |/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A 'Content-Filter: 
> maildrop-toaster' /etc/mail/mailfilter 
> /home/vpopmail/domains/brayworth.com/[user]/Maildir/ [2]
> 
> 
> 
> Eric
> 
> On 8/30/2020 7:06 PM, David Bray wrote: 
> Ok - working backwards from memory here 
> and when I read the install script I can see that the .qmail file is not 
> created 
> 
> so (and this is getting off topic now) 
> 
> * there should only be a .qmail-default and not a .qmail
> 
> * and
> it's likely that these came from an older install 
> 
> * so they should be removed ..
> 
> David Bray 
> 0418 745334
> 2 ∞ & < 
> 
> On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 at 09:53, Eric Broch  wrote: 
> 
> Hmmm... 
> 
> I never had double delivery and mine's been installed for 5 years or more. 
> 
> The install scrip

Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam -- yay or nay?

[Eric Broch]

Here's my domain level directory. There are no .qmail-user files only 
.qmail-default :


# ls -la /home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain.tld/
total 24
drwx-- 11 vpopmail vchkpw 4096 Oct 31  2019 .
drwx--  8 vpopmail vchkpw 4096 Apr  6  2019 ..
drwx--  3 vpopmail vchkpw  143 Dec 28  2016 user1
drwx--  3 vpopmail vchkpw  143 Dec 28  2016 user2
drwx--  4 vpopmail vchkpw 4096 Aug 16 13:39 user2
drwx--  3 vpopmail vchkpw  143 Dec 28  2016 user4
drwx--  3 vpopmail vchkpw  143 Dec 28  2016 user5
drwx--  3 vpopmail vchkpw 4096 Apr  8  2019 postmaster
-rw---  1 vpopmail vchkpw   56 Sep 14  2017 .qmail-default

Eric


On 8/31/2020 7:23 AM, Eric Broch wrote:


In the PER USER configuration the 
'/home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain.tld/.qmail-default' file doesn't 
change and remains:


| /home/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail '' bounce-no-mailbox



On 8/31/2020 7:20 AM, Eric Broch wrote:


So, here's what the directory directory looks like:

# ls -la /home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain.tld/user
total 52
drwx--   4 vpopmail vchkpw  4096 Aug 16 13:39 .
drwx--  11 vpopmail vchkpw  4096 Oct 31  2019 ..
drwx-- 357 vpopmail vchkpw 12288 Aug 31 07:10 Maildir
-rw---   1 vpopmail vchkpw    21 Dec 28  2016 .mailfilter.dspam
-rw---   1 vpopmail vchkpw    42 Aug 16 13:38 .qmail


.qmail file (one line no quotes):  "| preline /usr/bin/maildrop 
./.mailfilter.dspam"



.mailfilter.dspam (here)  
.


Eric



On 8/31/2020 7:09 AM, Eric Broch wrote:


When I do per user the file .qmail file resides in that person's 
home email directory '/home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain.tld/user' (in 
the same directory as Maildir).


This .qmail file contains the following:

| preline /usr/bin/maildrop ./.mailfilter.dspam

.mailfilter.dspamhere  
.


It does NOT duplicate email.


On 8/30/2020 10:33 PM, Remo Mattei wrote:

I have a little diff variant from Eric,
If I do the top level like Eric I do have the same config, if I do 
per user I have the following in the .qmail-user


|/usr/bin/dspam  --deliver=innocent --user $EXT@$USER --debug 
--mode=teft --feature=noise,whitelist --stdout -p -m | 
/home/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail '' 
/home/vpopmail/domains/domain.ht/user


Keep in mind if you do use RC, this becomes tricky since the 
.qmail-user will become .qmail inside of the user home dir and this 
will make duplicates (emails).


Just my 2 cents. Overall, it’s pretty similar to what Eric has.

Remo

On Aug 30, 2020, at 6:40 PM, David Bray > wrote:


Thanks
My understanding of the beast just increased

Cheers

David Bray
0418 745334
2 ∞ & <


On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 at 11:29, Eric Broch > wrote:


This is the contents of the .qmail-default (domain level) file
that's existed since the beginning and never changed
(directory: /home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain) :

| /usr/bin/dspam --user "$EXT@$HOST" --deliver=stdout | 
/home/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail '' bounce-no-mailbox

The .qmail file if one decides to run dspam by user (not domain) is as 
follows (/home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain/myuser) :

| preline /usr/bin/maildrop ./.mailfilter.dspam

.mailfilter.dspamhere  
.

The lines provided in the previous email do not call dspam at all (below):



it creates the .qmail as a result

|/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A 'Content-Filter: 
maildrop-toaster' /etc/mail/mailfilter


if you then edit the account via the admin panel that file becomes:

|/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A 'Content-Filter: 
maildrop-toaster' /etc/mail/mailfilter
/home/vpopmail/domains/brayworth.com/[user]/Maildir/  




Eric

On 8/30/2020 7:06 PM, David Bray wrote:

Ok - working backwards from memory here
and when I read the install script I can see that the .qmail
file is not created

so (and this is getting off topic now)

  * there should only be a .qmail-default and not a .qmail
  * and
it's likely that these came from an older install
  o so they should be removed ..


David Bray
0418 745334
2 ∞ & <


On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 at 09:53, Eric Broch
mailto:ebr...@whitehorsetc.com>> wrote:

Hmmm...

I never had double delivery and mine's been installed for
5 years or more.

The install script installs only one dot qmail file
(.qmail-default), and only after a query to implement at
domain level.

You have the option to run dspam at domain or user level.

Please show me where in the install procedure a .qmail
file is created with the following line:

|/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A
'Content-Filter: maildrop-toaster' /etc/

Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam -- yay or nay?

[Eric Broch]

In the PER USER configuration the 
'/home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain.tld/.qmail-default' file doesn't change 
and remains:


| /home/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail '' bounce-no-mailbox



On 8/31/2020 7:20 AM, Eric Broch wrote:


So, here's what the directory directory looks like:

# ls -la /home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain.tld/user
total 52
drwx--   4 vpopmail vchkpw  4096 Aug 16 13:39 .
drwx--  11 vpopmail vchkpw  4096 Oct 31  2019 ..
drwx-- 357 vpopmail vchkpw 12288 Aug 31 07:10 Maildir
-rw---   1 vpopmail vchkpw    21 Dec 28  2016 .mailfilter.dspam
-rw---   1 vpopmail vchkpw    42 Aug 16 13:38 .qmail


.qmail file (one line no quotes):  "| preline /usr/bin/maildrop 
./.mailfilter.dspam"



.mailfilter.dspam (here)  
.


Eric



On 8/31/2020 7:09 AM, Eric Broch wrote:


When I do per user the file .qmail file resides in that person's home 
email directory '/home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain.tld/user' (in the 
same directory as Maildir).


This .qmail file contains the following:

| preline /usr/bin/maildrop ./.mailfilter.dspam

.mailfilter.dspamhere  
.


It does NOT duplicate email.


On 8/30/2020 10:33 PM, Remo Mattei wrote:

I have a little diff variant from Eric,
If I do the top level like Eric I do have the same config, if I do 
per user I have the following in the .qmail-user


|/usr/bin/dspam  --deliver=innocent --user $EXT@$USER --debug 
--mode=teft --feature=noise,whitelist --stdout -p -m | 
/home/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail '' /home/vpopmail/domains/domain.ht/user


Keep in mind if you do use RC, this becomes tricky since the 
.qmail-user will become .qmail inside of the user home dir and this 
will make duplicates (emails).


Just my 2 cents. Overall, it’s pretty similar to what Eric has.

Remo

On Aug 30, 2020, at 6:40 PM, David Bray > wrote:


Thanks
My understanding of the beast just increased

Cheers

David Bray
0418 745334
2 ∞ & <


On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 at 11:29, Eric Broch > wrote:


This is the contents of the .qmail-default (domain level) file
that's existed since the beginning and never changed
(directory: /home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain) :

| /usr/bin/dspam --user "$EXT@$HOST" --deliver=stdout | 
/home/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail '' bounce-no-mailbox

The .qmail file if one decides to run dspam by user (not domain) is as 
follows (/home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain/myuser) :

| preline /usr/bin/maildrop ./.mailfilter.dspam

.mailfilter.dspamhere  
.

The lines provided in the previous email do not call dspam at all (below):



it creates the .qmail as a result

|/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A 'Content-Filter: 
maildrop-toaster' /etc/mail/mailfilter


if you then edit the account via the admin panel that file becomes:

|/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A 'Content-Filter: 
maildrop-toaster' /etc/mail/mailfilter
/home/vpopmail/domains/brayworth.com/[user]/Maildir/  




Eric

On 8/30/2020 7:06 PM, David Bray wrote:

Ok - working backwards from memory here
and when I read the install script I can see that the .qmail
file is not created

so (and this is getting off topic now)

  * there should only be a .qmail-default and not a .qmail
  * and
it's likely that these came from an older install
  o so they should be removed ..


David Bray
0418 745334
2 ∞ & <


On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 at 09:53, Eric Broch
mailto:ebr...@whitehorsetc.com>> wrote:

Hmmm...

I never had double delivery and mine's been installed for
5 years or more.

The install script installs only one dot qmail file
(.qmail-default), and only after a query to implement at
domain level.

You have the option to run dspam at domain or user level.

Please show me where in the install procedure a .qmail
file is created with the following line:

|/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A
'Content-Filter: maildrop-toaster' /etc/mail/mailfilter

?

The install script is for CentOS 5/6/7. I've yet to
upgrade it for 8.

I would recommend Dspam; however, it needs some attention.

Eric


On 8/30/2020 4:31 PM, David Bray wrote:

I wondered this exact question and was going to ask this
question
I've wondered how it actually works
I've disabled it

if it works as documented at:

  * https://raw.githubusercontent.com/qmtoaster/dspam/

it creates the .qmail as a result

|/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A
'Content-Filter: maildrop-toaster' /etc/mail/mailfilter


if you th

Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam -- yay or nay?

[Eric Broch]

So, here's what the directory directory looks like:

# ls -la /home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain.tld/user
total 52
drwx--   4 vpopmail vchkpw  4096 Aug 16 13:39 .
drwx--  11 vpopmail vchkpw  4096 Oct 31  2019 ..
drwx-- 357 vpopmail vchkpw 12288 Aug 31 07:10 Maildir
-rw---   1 vpopmail vchkpw    21 Dec 28  2016 .mailfilter.dspam
-rw---   1 vpopmail vchkpw    42 Aug 16 13:38 .qmail


.qmail file (one line no quotes):  "| preline /usr/bin/maildrop 
./.mailfilter.dspam"



.mailfilter.dspam (here)  
.


Eric



On 8/31/2020 7:09 AM, Eric Broch wrote:


When I do per user the file .qmail file resides in that person's home 
email directory '/home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain.tld/user' (in the 
same directory as Maildir).


This .qmail file contains the following:

| preline /usr/bin/maildrop ./.mailfilter.dspam

.mailfilter.dspamhere  
.


It does NOT duplicate email.


On 8/30/2020 10:33 PM, Remo Mattei wrote:

I have a little diff variant from Eric,
If I do the top level like Eric I do have the same config, if I do 
per user I have the following in the .qmail-user


|/usr/bin/dspam  --deliver=innocent --user $EXT@$USER --debug 
--mode=teft --feature=noise,whitelist --stdout -p -m | 
/home/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail '' /home/vpopmail/domains/domain.ht/user


Keep in mind if you do use RC, this becomes tricky since the 
.qmail-user will become .qmail inside of the user home dir and this 
will make duplicates (emails).


Just my 2 cents. Overall, it’s pretty similar to what Eric has.

Remo

On Aug 30, 2020, at 6:40 PM, David Bray > wrote:


Thanks
My understanding of the beast just increased

Cheers

David Bray
0418 745334
2 ∞ & <


On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 at 11:29, Eric Broch > wrote:


This is the contents of the .qmail-default (domain level) file
that's existed since the beginning and never changed (directory:
/home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain) :

| /usr/bin/dspam --user "$EXT@$HOST" --deliver=stdout | 
/home/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail '' bounce-no-mailbox

The .qmail file if one decides to run dspam by user (not domain) is as 
follows (/home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain/myuser) :

| preline /usr/bin/maildrop ./.mailfilter.dspam

.mailfilter.dspamhere  
.

The lines provided in the previous email do not call dspam at all (below):



it creates the .qmail as a result

|/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A 'Content-Filter: 
maildrop-toaster' /etc/mail/mailfilter


if you then edit the account via the admin panel that file becomes:

|/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A 'Content-Filter: 
maildrop-toaster' /etc/mail/mailfilter
/home/vpopmail/domains/brayworth.com/[user]/Maildir/  




Eric

On 8/30/2020 7:06 PM, David Bray wrote:

Ok - working backwards from memory here
and when I read the install script I can see that the .qmail
file is not created

so (and this is getting off topic now)

  * there should only be a .qmail-default and not a .qmail
  * and
it's likely that these came from an older install
  o so they should be removed ..


David Bray
0418 745334
2 ∞ & <


On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 at 09:53, Eric Broch
mailto:ebr...@whitehorsetc.com>> wrote:

Hmmm...

I never had double delivery and mine's been installed for 5
years or more.

The install script installs only one dot qmail file
(.qmail-default), and only after a query to implement at
domain level.

You have the option to run dspam at domain or user level.

Please show me where in the install procedure a .qmail file
is created with the following line:

|/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A
'Content-Filter: maildrop-toaster' /etc/mail/mailfilter

?

The install script is for CentOS 5/6/7. I've yet to upgrade
it for 8.

I would recommend Dspam; however, it needs some attention.

Eric


On 8/30/2020 4:31 PM, David Bray wrote:

I wondered this exact question and was going to ask this
question
I've wondered how it actually works
I've disabled it

if it works as documented at:

  * https://raw.githubusercontent.com/qmtoaster/dspam/

it creates the .qmail as a result

|/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A
'Content-Filter: maildrop-toaster' /etc/mail/mailfilter


if you then edit the account via the admin panel that file
becomes:

|/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A
'Content-Filter: maildrop-toaster' /etc/mail/mailfilter

/home/vpopmail/do

Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam -- yay or nay?

[Eric Broch]

When I do per user the file .qmail file resides in that person's home 
email directory '/home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain.tld/user' (in the same 
directory as Maildir).


This .qmail file contains the following:

| preline /usr/bin/maildrop ./.mailfilter.dspam

.mailfilter.dspamhere  
.


It does NOT duplicate email.


On 8/30/2020 10:33 PM, Remo Mattei wrote:

I have a little diff variant from Eric,
If I do the top level like Eric I do have the same config, if I do per 
user I have the following in the .qmail-user


|/usr/bin/dspam  --deliver=innocent --user $EXT@$USER --debug 
--mode=teft --feature=noise,whitelist --stdout -p -m | 
/home/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail '' /home/vpopmail/domains/domain.ht/user


Keep in mind if you do use RC, this becomes tricky since the 
.qmail-user will become .qmail inside of the user home dir and this 
will make duplicates (emails).


Just my 2 cents. Overall, it’s pretty similar to what Eric has.

Remo

On Aug 30, 2020, at 6:40 PM, David Bray > wrote:


Thanks
My understanding of the beast just increased

Cheers

David Bray
0418 745334
2 ∞ & <


On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 at 11:29, Eric Broch > wrote:


This is the contents of the .qmail-default (domain level) file
that's existed since the beginning and never changed (directory:
/home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain) :

| /usr/bin/dspam --user "$EXT@$HOST" --deliver=stdout | 
/home/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail '' bounce-no-mailbox

The .qmail file if one decides to run dspam by user (not domain) is as 
follows (/home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain/myuser) :

| preline /usr/bin/maildrop ./.mailfilter.dspam

.mailfilter.dspamhere  
.

The lines provided in the previous email do not call dspam at all (below):



it creates the .qmail as a result

|/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A 'Content-Filter: 
maildrop-toaster' /etc/mail/mailfilter


if you then edit the account via the admin panel that file becomes:

|/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A 'Content-Filter: 
maildrop-toaster' /etc/mail/mailfilter
/home/vpopmail/domains/brayworth.com/[user]/Maildir/  




Eric

On 8/30/2020 7:06 PM, David Bray wrote:

Ok - working backwards from memory here
and when I read the install script I can see that the .qmail
file is not created

so (and this is getting off topic now)

  * there should only be a .qmail-default and not a .qmail
  * and
it's likely that these came from an older install
  o so they should be removed ..


David Bray
0418 745334
2 ∞ & <


On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 at 09:53, Eric Broch
mailto:ebr...@whitehorsetc.com>> wrote:

Hmmm...

I never had double delivery and mine's been installed for 5
years or more.

The install script installs only one dot qmail file
(.qmail-default), and only after a query to implement at
domain level.

You have the option to run dspam at domain or user level.

Please show me where in the install procedure a .qmail file
is created with the following line:

|/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A
'Content-Filter: maildrop-toaster' /etc/mail/mailfilter

?

The install script is for CentOS 5/6/7. I've yet to upgrade
it for 8.

I would recommend Dspam; however, it needs some attention.

Eric


On 8/30/2020 4:31 PM, David Bray wrote:

I wondered this exact question and was going to ask this
question
I've wondered how it actually works
I've disabled it

if it works as documented at:

  * https://raw.githubusercontent.com/qmtoaster/dspam/

it creates the .qmail as a result

|/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A
'Content-Filter: maildrop-toaster' /etc/mail/mailfilter


if you then edit the account via the admin panel that file
becomes:

|/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A
'Content-Filter: maildrop-toaster' /etc/mail/mailfilter

/home/vpopmail/domains/brayworth.com/[user]/Maildir/



which results in a double up of delivery ...
if you remove the file, the problem goes away

so at best it needs to be carefully monitored, but it is
still effective

but the newer scripted install does a pretty good job with
spamassassin anyway ... so I've disabled it..


David Bray
0418 745334
2 ∞ & <


On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 at 07:10, mailto:r...@mattei.org>> wrote:

I have used dspam from the early days so you could put
this as an option 

Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam -- yay or nay?

[Remo Mattei]

I have a little diff variant from Eric, 
If I do the top level like Eric I do have the same config, if I do per user I 
have the following in the .qmail-user 

|/usr/bin/dspam  --deliver=innocent --user $EXT@$USER --debug --mode=teft 
--feature=noise,whitelist --stdout -p -m | /home/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail '' 
/home/vpopmail/domains/domain.ht/user

Keep in mind if you do use RC, this becomes tricky since the .qmail-user will 
become .qmail inside of the user home dir and this will make duplicates 
(emails). 

Just my 2 cents. Overall, it’s pretty similar to what Eric has. 

Remo

> On Aug 30, 2020, at 6:40 PM, David Bray  wrote:
> 
> Thanks
> My understanding of the beast just increased
> 
> Cheers
> 
> David Bray
> 0418 745334
> 2 ∞ & <
> 
> 
> On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 at 11:29, Eric Broch  > wrote:
> This is the contents of the .qmail-default (domain level) file that's existed 
> since the beginning and never changed (directory: 
> /home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain) :
> 
> | /usr/bin/dspam --user "$EXT@$HOST" --deliver=stdout | 
> /home/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail '' bounce-no-mailbox
> 
> The .qmail file if one decides to run dspam by user (not domain) is as 
> follows (/home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain/myuser) :
> 
> | preline /usr/bin/maildrop ./.mailfilter.dspam
> 
> .mailfilter.dspam here 
> .
> 
> The lines provided in the previous email do not call dspam at all (below):
> 
> 
> 
> it creates the .qmail as a result   
> 
> |/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A 'Content-Filter: 
> maildrop-toaster' /etc/mail/mailfilter
> 
> 
> if you then edit the account via the admin panel that file becomes:
> 
> |/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A 'Content-Filter: 
> maildrop-toaster' /etc/mail/mailfilter 
> /home/vpopmail/domains/brayworth.com/[user]/Maildir/ 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Eric
> On 8/30/2020 7:06 PM, David Bray wrote:
>> Ok - working backwards from memory here
>> and when I read the install script I can see that the .qmail file is not 
>> created
>> 
>> so (and this is getting off topic now)
>> there should only be a .qmail-default and not a .qmail
>> and
>> it's likely that these came from an older install
>> so they should be removed ..
>> 
>> David Bray
>> 0418 745334
>> 2 ∞ & <
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 at 09:53, Eric Broch > > wrote:
>> Hmmm...
>> 
>> I never had double delivery and mine's been installed for 5 years or more.
>> 
>> The install script installs only one dot qmail file (.qmail-default), and 
>> only after a query to implement at domain level.
>> 
>> You have the option to run dspam at domain or user level.
>> 
>> Please show me where in the install procedure a .qmail file is created with 
>> the following line:
>> 
>> |/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A 'Content-Filter: 
>> maildrop-toaster' /etc/mail/mailfilter
>> 
>> ?
>> 
>> The install script is for CentOS 5/6/7. I've yet to upgrade it for 8.
>> 
>> I would recommend Dspam; however, it needs some attention.
>> 
>> Eric
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 8/30/2020 4:31 PM, David Bray wrote:
>>> I wondered this exact question and was going to ask this question
>>> I've wondered how it actually works
>>> I've disabled it
>>> 
>>> if it works as documented at:
>>> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/qmtoaster/dspam/ 
>>> it creates the .qmail 
>>> as a result
>>> |/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A 'Content-Filter: 
>>> maildrop-toaster' /etc/mail/mailfilter
>>> 
>>> if you then edit the account via the admin panel that file becomes:
>>> |/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A 'Content-Filter: 
>>> maildrop-toaster' /etc/mail/mailfilter
>>> /home/vpopmail/domains/brayworth.com/[user]/Maildir/ 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> which results in a double up of delivery ...
>>> if you remove the file, the problem goes away
>>> 
>>> so at best it needs to be carefully monitored, but it is still effective
>>> 
>>> but the newer scripted install does a pretty good job with spamassassin 
>>> anyway ... so I've disabled it..
>>> 
>>> 
>>> David Bray
>>> 0418 745334
>>> 2 ∞ & <
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 at 07:10, mailto:r...@mattei.org>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> I have used dspam from the early days so you could put this as an option on 
>>> your playbook. 
>>> 
>>> Just my 2cents 
>>> > Il giorno 30 ago 2020, alle ore 13:43, Angus McIntyre >> > > ha scritto:
>>> > 
>>> > I'm (still!) working on my Ansible role for installing qmailtoaster, but 
>>> > I've switched to CentOS 8, based on Eric's new script, and it seems much 
>>> > more straightforward and robust.
>>> > 
>>> > One question I have is whether I should try to support dspam or not. It 
>>> > looks as if the project was abandoned in 2014, amid reports that dspam 
>>> > never performed as well as the develop

Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam -- yay or nay?

[David Bray]

Thanks
My understanding of the beast just increased

Cheers

David Bray
0418 745334
2 ∞ & <


On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 at 11:29, Eric Broch  wrote:

> This is the contents of the .qmail-default (domain level) file that's
> existed since the beginning and never changed (directory:
> /home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain) :
>
> | /usr/bin/dspam --user "$EXT@$HOST" --deliver=stdout | 
> /home/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail '' bounce-no-mailbox
>
> The .qmail file if one decides to run dspam by user (not domain) is as 
> follows (/home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain/myuser) :
>
> | preline /usr/bin/maildrop ./.mailfilter.dspam
>
> .mailfilter.dspam here 
> .
>
> The lines provided in the previous email do not call dspam at all (below):
>
> 
>
> it creates the .qmail as a result
>
> |/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A 'Content-Filter: 
> maildrop-toaster' /etc/mail/mailfilter
>
>
> if you then edit the account via the admin panel that file becomes:
>
> |/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A 'Content-Filter: 
> maildrop-toaster' /etc/mail/mailfilter
> /home/vpopmail/domains/brayworth.com/[user]/Maildir/ 
> 
>
> 
>
> Eric
>
> On 8/30/2020 7:06 PM, David Bray wrote:
>
> Ok - working backwards from memory here
> and when I read the install script I can see that the .qmail file is not
> created
>
> so (and this is getting off topic now)
>
>- there should only be a .qmail-default and not a .qmail
>- and
>it's likely that these came from an older install
>   - so they should be removed ..
>
>
> David Bray
> 0418 745334
> 2 ∞ & <
>
>
> On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 at 09:53, Eric Broch  wrote:
>
>> Hmmm...
>>
>> I never had double delivery and mine's been installed for 5 years or more.
>>
>> The install script installs only one dot qmail file (.qmail-default), and
>> only after a query to implement at domain level.
>>
>> You have the option to run dspam at domain or user level.
>>
>> Please show me where in the install procedure a .qmail file is created
>> with the following line:
>>
>> |/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A 'Content-Filter:
>> maildrop-toaster' /etc/mail/mailfilter
>>
>> ?
>>
>> The install script is for CentOS 5/6/7. I've yet to upgrade it for 8.
>>
>> I would recommend Dspam; however, it needs some attention.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>> On 8/30/2020 4:31 PM, David Bray wrote:
>>
>> I wondered this exact question and was going to ask this question
>> I've wondered how it actually works
>> I've disabled it
>>
>> if it works as documented at:
>>
>>- https://raw.githubusercontent.com/qmtoaster/dspam/
>>
>> it creates the .qmail as a result
>>
>> |/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A 'Content-Filter:
>> maildrop-toaster' /etc/mail/mailfilter
>>
>>
>> if you then edit the account via the admin panel that file becomes:
>>
>> |/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A 'Content-Filter:
>> maildrop-toaster' /etc/mail/mailfilter
>>
>> /home/vpopmail/domains/brayworth.com/[user]/Maildir/
>> 
>>
>>
>> which results in a double up of delivery ...
>> if you remove the file, the problem goes away
>>
>> so at best it needs to be carefully monitored, but it is still effective
>>
>> but the newer scripted install does a pretty good job with spamassassin
>> anyway ... so I've disabled it..
>>
>>
>> David Bray
>> 0418 745334
>> 2 ∞ & <
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 at 07:10,  wrote:
>>
>>> I have used dspam from the early days so you could put this as an option
>>> on your playbook.
>>>
>>> Just my 2cents
>>> > Il giorno 30 ago 2020, alle ore 13:43, Angus McIntyre 
>>> ha scritto:
>>> >
>>> > I'm (still!) working on my Ansible role for installing qmailtoaster,
>>> but I've switched to CentOS 8, based on Eric's new script, and it seems
>>> much more straightforward and robust.
>>> >
>>> > One question I have is whether I should try to support dspam or not.
>>> It looks as if the project was abandoned in 2014, amid reports that dspam
>>> never performed as well as the developer claimed.
>>> >
>>> > Anyone have any thoughts or feelings (or, better, solid data) on
>>> whether it's worth including dspam in a qmailtoaster install?
>>> >
>>> > Angus
>>> >
>>> > -
>>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com
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>>> >
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>>
>>

Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam -- yay or nay?

[Eric Broch]

This is the contents of the .qmail-default (domain level) file that's 
existed since the beginning and never changed (directory: 
/home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain) :


| /usr/bin/dspam --user "$EXT@$HOST" --deliver=stdout | 
/home/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail '' bounce-no-mailbox

The .qmail file if one decides to run dspam by user (not domain) is as follows 
(/home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain/myuser) :

| preline /usr/bin/maildrop ./.mailfilter.dspam

.mailfilter.dspamhere  
.

The lines provided in the previous email do not call dspam at all (below):



it creates the .qmail as a result

|/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A 'Content-Filter: maildrop-toaster' 
/etc/mail/mailfilter


if you then edit the account via the admin panel that file becomes:

|/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A 'Content-Filter: maildrop-toaster' 
/etc/mail/mailfilter
/home/vpopmail/domains/brayworth.com/[user]/Maildir/



Eric



On 8/30/2020 7:06 PM, David Bray wrote:

Ok - working backwards from memory here
and when I read the install script I can see that the .qmail file is 
not created


so (and this is getting off topic now)

  * there should only be a .qmail-default and not a .qmail
  * and
it's likely that these came from an older install
  o so they should be removed ..


David Bray
0418 745334
2 ∞ & <


On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 at 09:53, Eric Broch > wrote:


Hmmm...

I never had double delivery and mine's been installed for 5 years
or more.

The install script installs only one dot qmail file
(.qmail-default), and only after a query to implement at domain level.

You have the option to run dspam at domain or user level.

Please show me where in the install procedure a .qmail file is
created with the following line:

|/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A 'Content-Filter:
maildrop-toaster' /etc/mail/mailfilter

?

The install script is for CentOS 5/6/7. I've yet to upgrade it for 8.

I would recommend Dspam; however, it needs some attention.

Eric


On 8/30/2020 4:31 PM, David Bray wrote:

I wondered this exact question and was going to ask this question
I've wondered how it actually works
I've disabled it

if it works as documented at:

  * https://raw.githubusercontent.com/qmtoaster/dspam/

it creates the .qmail as a result

|/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A 'Content-Filter:
maildrop-toaster' /etc/mail/mailfilter


if you then edit the account via the admin panel that file becomes:

|/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A 'Content-Filter:
maildrop-toaster' /etc/mail/mailfilter

/home/vpopmail/domains/brayworth.com/[user]/Maildir/



which results in a double up of delivery ...
if you remove the file, the problem goes away

so at best it needs to be carefully monitored, but it is still
effective

but the newer scripted install does a pretty good job with
spamassassin anyway ... so I've disabled it..


David Bray
0418 745334
2 ∞ & <


On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 at 07:10, mailto:r...@mattei.org>> wrote:

I have used dspam from the early days so you could put this
as an option on your playbook.

Just my 2cents
> Il giorno 30 ago 2020, alle ore 13:43, Angus McIntyre
mailto:an...@pobox.com>> ha scritto:
>
> I'm (still!) working on my Ansible role for installing
qmailtoaster, but I've switched to CentOS 8, based on Eric's
new script, and it seems much more straightforward and robust.
>
> One question I have is whether I should try to support
dspam or not. It looks as if the project was abandoned in
2014, amid reports that dspam never performed as well as the
developer claimed.
>
> Anyone have any thoughts or feelings (or, better, solid
data) on whether it's worth including dspam in a qmailtoaster
install?
>
> Angus
>
>
-
> To unsubscribe, e-mail:
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Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam -- yay or nay?

[remo]

Dub mail if you have more than one filter. So if you do default and user .qmail 
you will do get 2 copies.  I have used it since it came out started on centos 5 
and still good for me. 

Remo
> Il giorno 30 ago 2020, alle ore 18:06, David Bray  ha 
> scritto:
> 
> 
> Ok - working backwards from memory here
> and when I read the install script I can see that the .qmail file is not 
> created
> 
> so (and this is getting off topic now)
> there should only be a .qmail-default and not a .qmail
> and
> it's likely that these came from an older install
> so they should be removed ..
> 
> David Bray
> 0418 745334
> 2 ∞ & <
> 
> 
>> On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 at 09:53, Eric Broch  wrote:
>> Hmmm...
>> 
>> I never had double delivery and mine's been installed for 5 years or more.
>> 
>> The install script installs only one dot qmail file (.qmail-default), and 
>> only after a query to implement at domain level.
>> 
>> You have the option to run dspam at domain or user level.
>> 
>> Please show me where in the install procedure a .qmail file is created with 
>> the following line:
>> 
>> |/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A 'Content-Filter: 
>> maildrop-toaster' /etc/mail/mailfilter
>> 
>> ?
>> 
>> The install script is for CentOS 5/6/7. I've yet to upgrade it for 8.
>> 
>> I would recommend Dspam; however, it needs some attention.
>> 
>> Eric
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 8/30/2020 4:31 PM, David Bray wrote:
>>> I wondered this exact question and was going to ask this question
>>> I've wondered how it actually works
>>> I've disabled it
>>> 
>>> if it works as documented at:
>>> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/qmtoaster/dspam/
>>> it creates the .qmail as a result
>>> |/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A 'Content-Filter: 
>>> maildrop-toaster' /etc/mail/mailfilter
>>> 
>>> if you then edit the account via the admin panel that file becomes:
>>> |/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A 'Content-Filter: 
>>> maildrop-toaster' /etc/mail/mailfilter
>>> /home/vpopmail/domains/brayworth.com/[user]/Maildir/
>>> 
>>> which results in a double up of delivery ...
>>> if you remove the file, the problem goes away
>>> 
>>> so at best it needs to be carefully monitored, but it is still effective
>>> 
>>> but the newer scripted install does a pretty good job with spamassassin 
>>> anyway ... so I've disabled it..
>>> 
>>> 
>>> David Bray
>>> 0418 745334
>>> 2 ∞ & <
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 at 07:10,  wrote:
 I have used dspam from the early days so you could put this as an option 
 on your playbook. 
 
 Just my 2cents 
 > Il giorno 30 ago 2020, alle ore 13:43, Angus McIntyre  
 > ha scritto:
 > 
 > I'm (still!) working on my Ansible role for installing qmailtoaster, 
 > but I've switched to CentOS 8, based on Eric's new script, and it seems 
 > much more straightforward and robust.
 > 
 > One question I have is whether I should try to support dspam or not. It 
 > looks as if the project was abandoned in 2014, amid reports that dspam 
 > never performed as well as the developer claimed.
 > 
 > Anyone have any thoughts or feelings (or, better, solid data) on whether 
 > it's worth including dspam in a qmailtoaster install?
 > 
 > Angus
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Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam -- yay or nay?

[David Bray]

Ok - working backwards from memory here
and when I read the install script I can see that the .qmail file is not
created

so (and this is getting off topic now)

   - there should only be a .qmail-default and not a .qmail
   - and
   it's likely that these came from an older install
  - so they should be removed ..


David Bray
0418 745334
2 ∞ & <


On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 at 09:53, Eric Broch  wrote:

> Hmmm...
>
> I never had double delivery and mine's been installed for 5 years or more.
>
> The install script installs only one dot qmail file (.qmail-default), and
> only after a query to implement at domain level.
>
> You have the option to run dspam at domain or user level.
>
> Please show me where in the install procedure a .qmail file is created
> with the following line:
>
> |/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A 'Content-Filter:
> maildrop-toaster' /etc/mail/mailfilter
>
> ?
>
> The install script is for CentOS 5/6/7. I've yet to upgrade it for 8.
>
> I would recommend Dspam; however, it needs some attention.
>
> Eric
>
>
> On 8/30/2020 4:31 PM, David Bray wrote:
>
> I wondered this exact question and was going to ask this question
> I've wondered how it actually works
> I've disabled it
>
> if it works as documented at:
>
>- https://raw.githubusercontent.com/qmtoaster/dspam/
>
> it creates the .qmail as a result
>
> |/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A 'Content-Filter:
> maildrop-toaster' /etc/mail/mailfilter
>
>
> if you then edit the account via the admin panel that file becomes:
>
> |/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A 'Content-Filter:
> maildrop-toaster' /etc/mail/mailfilter
>
> /home/vpopmail/domains/brayworth.com/[user]/Maildir/
> 
>
>
> which results in a double up of delivery ...
> if you remove the file, the problem goes away
>
> so at best it needs to be carefully monitored, but it is still effective
>
> but the newer scripted install does a pretty good job with spamassassin
> anyway ... so I've disabled it..
>
>
> David Bray
> 0418 745334
> 2 ∞ & <
>
>
> On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 at 07:10,  wrote:
>
>> I have used dspam from the early days so you could put this as an option
>> on your playbook.
>>
>> Just my 2cents
>> > Il giorno 30 ago 2020, alle ore 13:43, Angus McIntyre 
>> ha scritto:
>> >
>> > I'm (still!) working on my Ansible role for installing qmailtoaster,
>> but I've switched to CentOS 8, based on Eric's new script, and it seems
>> much more straightforward and robust.
>> >
>> > One question I have is whether I should try to support dspam or not. It
>> looks as if the project was abandoned in 2014, amid reports that dspam
>> never performed as well as the developer claimed.
>> >
>> > Anyone have any thoughts or feelings (or, better, solid data) on
>> whether it's worth including dspam in a qmailtoaster install?
>> >
>> > Angus
>> >
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Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam -- yay or nay?

[Eric Broch]

Hmmm...

I never had double delivery and mine's been installed for 5 years or more.

The install script installs only one dot qmail file (.qmail-default), 
and only after a query to implement at domain level.


You have the option to run dspam at domain or user level.

Please show me where in the install procedure a .qmail file is created 
with the following line:


|/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A 'Content-Filter: 
maildrop-toaster' /etc/mail/mailfilter


?

The install script is for CentOS 5/6/7. I've yet to upgrade it for 8.

I would recommend Dspam; however, it needs some attention.

Eric


On 8/30/2020 4:31 PM, David Bray wrote:

I wondered this exact question and was going to ask this question
I've wondered how it actually works
I've disabled it

if it works as documented at:

  * https://raw.githubusercontent.com/qmtoaster/dspam/

it creates the .qmail as a result

|/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A 'Content-Filter:
maildrop-toaster' /etc/mail/mailfilter


if you then edit the account via the admin panel that file becomes:

|/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A 'Content-Filter:
maildrop-toaster' /etc/mail/mailfilter

/home/vpopmail/domains/brayworth.com/[user]/Maildir/



which results in a double up of delivery ...
if you remove the file, the problem goes away

so at best it needs to be carefully monitored, but it is still effective

but the newer scripted install does a pretty good job with 
spamassassin anyway ... so I've disabled it..



David Bray
0418 745334
2 ∞ & <


On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 at 07:10, > wrote:


I have used dspam from the early days so you could put this as an
option on your playbook.

Just my 2cents
> Il giorno 30 ago 2020, alle ore 13:43, Angus McIntyre
mailto:an...@pobox.com>> ha scritto:
>
> I'm (still!) working on my Ansible role for installing
qmailtoaster, but I've switched to CentOS 8, based on Eric's new
script, and it seems much more straightforward and robust.
>
> One question I have is whether I should try to support dspam or
not. It looks as if the project was abandoned in 2014, amid
reports that dspam never performed as well as the developer claimed.
>
> Anyone have any thoughts or feelings (or, better, solid data) on
whether it's worth including dspam in a qmailtoaster install?
>
> Angus
>
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Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam -- yay or nay?

[David Bray]

I wondered this exact question and was going to ask this question
I've wondered how it actually works
I've disabled it

if it works as documented at:

   - https://raw.githubusercontent.com/qmtoaster/dspam/

it creates the .qmail as a result

|/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A 'Content-Filter:
maildrop-toaster' /etc/mail/mailfilter


if you then edit the account via the admin panel that file becomes:

|/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/maildrop -A 'Content-Filter:
maildrop-toaster' /etc/mail/mailfilter

/home/vpopmail/domains/brayworth.com/[user]/Maildir/


which results in a double up of delivery ...
if you remove the file, the problem goes away

so at best it needs to be carefully monitored, but it is still effective

but the newer scripted install does a pretty good job with spamassassin
anyway ... so I've disabled it..


David Bray
0418 745334
2 ∞ & <


On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 at 07:10,  wrote:

> I have used dspam from the early days so you could put this as an option
> on your playbook.
>
> Just my 2cents
> > Il giorno 30 ago 2020, alle ore 13:43, Angus McIntyre 
> ha scritto:
> >
> > I'm (still!) working on my Ansible role for installing qmailtoaster,
> but I've switched to CentOS 8, based on Eric's new script, and it seems
> much more straightforward and robust.
> >
> > One question I have is whether I should try to support dspam or not. It
> looks as if the project was abandoned in 2014, amid reports that dspam
> never performed as well as the developer claimed.
> >
> > Anyone have any thoughts or feelings (or, better, solid data) on whether
> it's worth including dspam in a qmailtoaster install?
> >
> > Angus
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Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam -- yay or nay?

[remo]

I have used dspam from the early days so you could put this as an option on 
your playbook. 

Just my 2cents 
> Il giorno 30 ago 2020, alle ore 13:43, Angus McIntyre  ha 
> scritto:
> 
> I'm (still!) working on my Ansible role for installing qmailtoaster, but 
> I've switched to CentOS 8, based on Eric's new script, and it seems much more 
> straightforward and robust.
> 
> One question I have is whether I should try to support dspam or not. It looks 
> as if the project was abandoned in 2014, amid reports that dspam never 
> performed as well as the developer claimed.
> 
> Anyone have any thoughts or feelings (or, better, solid data) on whether it's 
> worth including dspam in a qmailtoaster install?
> 
> Angus
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Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam configuration

[ChandranManikandan]

Thanks Eric.
Will try to do the same.

On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 11:24 PM Eric Broch  wrote:

> I use dspam with SA.
>
> Yes, you can run three spam engines.
>
> I've never set up the browser because my clients did not want to be
> burdened with it.
>
>
> On 11/24/2019 10:13 PM, ChandranManikandan wrote:
>
> Hi Eric,
>
> I have install qmt on centos 7, it is asking for dspam installation.
> Dspam is replace the spamassassin.
> And how many spam engines running spamdyke,spamassassin and dspam all
> these three running on the same machine if i select to install dspam.
> Is anyway to manage dspam through browser after install qmt along with
> dspam.
>
> Please give me your advise.
>
>
> --
>
>
> *Regards, Chandran *
>
>

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Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam configuration

[Eric Broch]

I use dspam with SA.

Yes, you can run three spam engines.

I've never set up the browser because my clients did not want to be 
burdened with it.



On 11/24/2019 10:13 PM, ChandranManikandan wrote:

Hi Eric,

I have install qmt on centos 7, it is asking for dspam installation.
Dspam is replace the spamassassin.
And how many spam engines running spamdyke,spamassassin and dspam all 
these three running on the same machine if i select to install dspam.
Is anyway to manage dspam through browser after install qmt along with 
dspam.


Please give me your advise.


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Chandran
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Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam training script

[Eric Broch]

Stevan,

In this directory you'll find everything I use: 
ftp://ftp.whitehorsetc.com/pub/scripts/dspam/


The bash scripts are for learning notspam (ham) and spam you can change 
the IMAP directories to suit yourself. The most effective method I've 
found for dspam is to train on error. After dspam is set up start 
manually moving email in your IMAP client.


If spam ends up in you inbox move it to the spam folder for training. 
The script will train dspam and move it to the 1-learned folder. If a 
message in the 1-learned folder is ham move it to the 1-notspam folder 
for training.


the . (dot) scripts (.qmail and .mailfilter) are for running mail 
through dspam and automatically moving mail to the spam folder. You'll 
need to install maildrop if it isn't already installed.


Included in the .mailfilter scripts is my out-of-office (vacation) tool. 
If you send yourself a message with subject 'out of office' with any 
combination of upper and lower case letters it will trigger autorespond. 
What you type in the message body will be the vacation message. To 
deactivate autorespond simply send yourself another message with 'out of 
office'.


Eric

On 10/25/2019 3:12 AM, Stevan Stevic wrote:

Hi list,
i receve too many spam messages on server.

Does anyone have a dspam learning script (bash).

I  would  also  like  all  messages  that meet the spam criteria to be
transferred to the user's spam folder.



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Re: [qmailtoaster] Dspam

[Eric Broch]

I use maildrop and have this is my .mailfilter file

 exception {
 xfilter "/usr/bin/dspam --user $EXT@$HOST --stdout 
--deliver=innocent,spam"

  }

in .qmail-default it would be the following:

| /usr/bin/dspam --user "$EXT@$HOST" --deliver=stdout | 
/home/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail '' bounce-no-mailbox



On 3/25/2017 7:51 PM, Fabian A. Santiago wrote:

What calls dspam? Is it still .Qmail-default?


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Re: [qmailtoaster] DSPAM status

[Eric Broch]

On 7/10/2014 7:55 PM, Eric Shubert wrote:
> I was sad to see Tom Hendrikx announce that he will no longer be
> leading the DSPAM project. It looks as though DSPAM will likely just
> become stagnate, and probably fall by the wayside.
>
> With this in mind, I'm much less inclined to use DSPAM for delivery
> (use-specific) spam filtering. If someone wants to make a case for
> DSPAM use, it'll be a long uphill battle.
>
> For those of you using DSPAM, please let me know how you're using it,
> and perhaps we can come up with something using dovecot's deliver and
> plugins that will provide the desired functionality in this area.
>
> Thanks

That's a shame as I am using DSPAM presently with great results. I was
using it at the domain level with a call in the .qmail-default file
using this format: '| /usr/local/bin/dspamc --user "$EXT@$HOST"
--deliver=stdout | /home/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail '' bounce-no-mailbox'
, however, I discovered that some attachments, and very few at that,
were being stripped only when the call to DSPAM was present. I am
currently testing on my own server DSPAM's use in each user's
.mailfilter file using this call: 'xfilter "/usr/local/bin/dspamc --user
$EXT@$HOST --deliver=stdout".' Hopefully the later will solve the
'stripped attachment' problem.

Anyway I'd be interested in calling DSPAM from Dovecot LDA using
Dovecot's configuration files but have yet to find a way.



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Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam

[Eric Broch]

As with all things new, there is a learning curve and in my case some
frustrations and fears that it may not work as expected. Once this is
overcome (IMHO) it's well worth it and maintenance, if any, is a snap.
As I stated before, once DSPAM is trained on a user, no more training is
really necessary (in my experience). After initial deployment and
training, it's been pretty much hands-free. On my own system I trained
roughly 30 emails and now I train about 1 every month or two. The one
client (I'm planning another) that I've deployed DSPAM with is very
pleased. We are tagging now 98-99%, or more, of the spam coming in, and
with Maildrop the client never has to see it. I don't even think we need
Spamassassin any more. I might add that if you have Outlook 2012 it
removes email headers when moving email between folders and for this
reason training with DSPAM is problematic but not impossible. Also on
the client's system I found that only a few users were really having
issues with spam so I was able to concentrate more thoroughly on heavily
spammed accounts.

Now, there were a few initial problems like what Angus experienced and
in order to remedy this I deleted the user's DSPAM signature dbase and
started over. Then I trained only on 'error' and skipped all 'corpus'
training, though my Readme covers it. I had to clear signature data at
most once per user.



On 3/23/2014 2:37 PM, Helmut Fritz wrote:
>
> Just observing the topic -- this 'seems' a lot more complicated than
> spamassasin.
>
>  
>
> *From:*Eric Broch [mailto:ebr...@whitehorsetc.com]
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 23, 2014 8:32 AM
> *To:* qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com
> *Subject:* Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam
>
>  
>
> On 3/23/2014 8:05 AM, Angus McIntyre wrote:
>
>  
>
> On Mar 20, 2014, at 6:34 PM, Eric Broch  <mailto:ebr...@whitehorsetc.com>> wrote:
>
> Your welcome. Since November, I've created a much easier
> automated install here
> <ftp://ftp.whitehorsetc.com/pub/dspam/>. Be sure to look at
> the Readme file. And, as always, check the script.
>
>  
>
> Hmm. That seems to be an FTP link. I tried logging on as 'guest',
> but it doesn't seem to want to talk to me.
>
>  
>
> I'm not really convinced by dspam yet. Untrained, it classifies
> everything as 'Innocent'. I fed it a massive corpus of spam and it
> then classified everything as 'Spam'. So I blew everything away
> and started over. This time, I've been feeding it an unrecognized
> spam (which is to say, all of it) in correction mode (i.e.
> --source=error). This is having a limited effect. After feeding it
> many hundreds of spams, it still believes that all my spam is
> actually 'Innocent', but at least I've shaken its confidence a bit
> - it's now only 85% convinced that 'Pro Viagra for Men' is a valid
> message.
>
>  
>
> It looks like I will have a lot more training to do before I can
> persuade it to successfully recognize any spam at all ... and then
> only for the particular user that I've trained. I'm also concerned
> that many of the messages I see are filled with hash buster text,
> which is designed specifically to dodge and poison statistical
> filters like dspam.
>
>  
>
> Apologies if this is slightly off-topic, but given that dspam is
> under consideration for future QMT releases, I felt that I should
> share my experience. It's certainly not looking like a magic
> bullet to me at the moment.
>
>  
>
> Angus
>
> Angus,
>
> The FTP site should work now. My firewall was blocking it for some
> reason (testing fail2ban).
>
> Anyway, for my set ups I did not train on the 'corpus' setting only on
> 'error.' In order to train on 'error' the message must have a DSPAM
> header which I configured to be in the email header NOT them message.
> On my own machine I trained (as error) about 30 spam messages marked
> by DSPAM as innocent. And, now I get 1 spam a month, if that.
> On my client's site which receives about 60,000 emails a month on
> average I trained between 100 and 200 messages the same way with
> similar results.
>
> I read through the users email directory and catenate (cat) each spam
> marked as Innocent through the dspam client program as follows:
>
> cat $email | dspamc --user user@domain --mode=teft --class=spam --source=error
>
> The results have been excellent.
>
> EricB
>

RE: [qmailtoaster] dspam

[Helmut Fritz]

Just observing the topic - this 'seems' a lot more complicated than
spamassasin.

 

From: Eric Broch [mailto:ebr...@whitehorsetc.com] 
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 8:32 AM
To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com
Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam

 

On 3/23/2014 8:05 AM, Angus McIntyre wrote:

 

On Mar 20, 2014, at 6:34 PM, Eric Broch  wrote:

Your welcome. Since November, I've created a much easier automated install
here <ftp://ftp.whitehorsetc.com/pub/dspam/> . Be sure to look at the Readme
file. And, as always, check the script.

 

Hmm. That seems to be an FTP link. I tried logging on as 'guest', but it
doesn't seem to want to talk to me.

 

I'm not really convinced by dspam yet. Untrained, it classifies everything
as 'Innocent'. I fed it a massive corpus of spam and it then classified
everything as 'Spam'. So I blew everything away and started over. This time,
I've been feeding it an unrecognized spam (which is to say, all of it) in
correction mode (i.e. --source=error). This is having a limited effect.
After feeding it many hundreds of spams, it still believes that all my spam
is actually 'Innocent', but at least I've shaken its confidence a bit - it's
now only 85% convinced that 'Pro Viagra for Men' is a valid message.

 

It looks like I will have a lot more training to do before I can persuade it
to successfully recognize any spam at all . and then only for the particular
user that I've trained. I'm also concerned that many of the messages I see
are filled with hash buster text, which is designed specifically to dodge
and poison statistical filters like dspam.

 

Apologies if this is slightly off-topic, but given that dspam is under
consideration for future QMT releases, I felt that I should share my
experience. It's certainly not looking like a magic bullet to me at the
moment.

 

Angus

Angus,

The FTP site should work now. My firewall was blocking it for some reason
(testing fail2ban). 

Anyway, for my set ups I did not train on the 'corpus' setting only on
'error.' In order to train on 'error' the message must have a DSPAM header
which I configured to be in the email header NOT them message. On my own
machine I trained (as error) about 30 spam messages marked by DSPAM as
innocent. And, now I get 1 spam a month, if that.
On my client's site which receives about 60,000 emails a month on average I
trained between 100 and 200 messages the same way with similar results.

I read through the users email directory and catenate (cat) each spam marked
as Innocent through the dspam client program as follows:

cat $email | dspamc --user user@domain --mode=teft --class=spam
--source=error

The results have been excellent. 

EricB 

Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam

[Eric Broch]

On 3/23/2014 8:05 AM, Angus McIntyre wrote:
>
> On Mar 20, 2014, at 6:34 PM, Eric Broch  > wrote:
>> Your welcome. Since November, I've created a much easier automated
>> install here . Be sure to look
>> at the Readme file. And, as always, check the script.
>
> Hmm. That seems to be an FTP link. I tried logging on as 'guest', but
> it doesn't seem to want to talk to me.
>
> I'm not really convinced by dspam yet. Untrained, it classifies
> everything as 'Innocent'. I fed it a massive corpus of spam and it
> then classified everything as 'Spam'. So I blew everything away and
> started over. This time, I've been feeding it an unrecognized spam
> (which is to say, all of it) in correction mode (i.e. --source=error).
> This is having a limited effect. After feeding it many hundreds of
> spams, it still believes that all my spam is actually 'Innocent', but
> at least I've shaken its confidence a bit - it's now only 85%
> convinced that 'Pro Viagra for Men' is a valid message.
>
> It looks like I will have a lot more training to do before I can
> persuade it to successfully recognize any spam at all … and then only
> for the particular user that I've trained. I'm also concerned that
> many of the messages I see are filled with hash buster text, which is
> designed specifically to dodge and poison statistical filters like dspam.
>
> Apologies if this is slightly off-topic, but given that dspam is under
> consideration for future QMT releases, I felt that I should share my
> experience. It's certainly not looking like a magic bullet to me at
> the moment.
>
> Angus
Angus,

The FTP site should work now. My firewall was blocking it for some
reason (testing fail2ban).

Anyway, for my set ups I did not train on the 'corpus' setting only on
'error.' In order to train on 'error' the message must have a DSPAM
header which I configured to be in the email header NOT them message. On
my own machine I trained (as error) about 30 spam messages marked by
DSPAM as innocent. And, now I get 1 spam a month, if that.
On my client's site which receives about 60,000 emails a month on
average I trained between 100 and 200 messages the same way with similar
results.

I read through the users email directory and catenate (cat) each spam
marked as Innocent through the dspam client program as follows:

cat $email | dspamc --user user@domain --mode=teft --class=spam --source=error

The results have been excellent.

EricB

Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam

[Angus McIntyre]

On Mar 20, 2014, at 6:34 PM, Eric Broch  wrote:
> Your welcome. Since November, I've created a much easier automated install 
> here. Be sure to look at the Readme file. And, as always, check the script.

Hmm. That seems to be an FTP link. I tried logging on as 'guest', but it 
doesn't seem to want to talk to me.

I'm not really convinced by dspam yet. Untrained, it classifies everything as 
'Innocent'. I fed it a massive corpus of spam and it then classified everything 
as 'Spam'. So I blew everything away and started over. This time, I've been 
feeding it an unrecognized spam (which is to say, all of it) in correction mode 
(i.e. --source=error). This is having a limited effect. After feeding it many 
hundreds of spams, it still believes that all my spam is actually 'Innocent', 
but at least I've shaken its confidence a bit - it's now only 85% convinced 
that 'Pro Viagra for Men' is a valid message.

It looks like I will have a lot more training to do before I can persuade it to 
successfully recognize any spam at all … and then only for the particular user 
that I've trained. I'm also concerned that many of the messages I see are 
filled with hash buster text, which is designed specifically to dodge and 
poison statistical filters like dspam.

Apologies if this is slightly off-topic, but given that dspam is under 
consideration for future QMT releases, I felt that I should share my 
experience. It's certainly not looking like a magic bullet to me at the moment.

Angus

Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam

[Eric Broch]

On 3/20/2014 3:32 PM, Angus McIntyre wrote:
> On Nov 18, 2013, at 10:32 AM, Eric Broch  wrote:
>> I've been working on getting DSPAM deployed and have implemented it on my 
>> own (CentOS 5) email server with great results. 
> Eric, many belated thanks for this detailed write-up.
>
> Using this, plus the John M. Simpson page that you pointed to, I was able to 
> get dspam installed and running on my server.
>
> I'm now testing it with a single user, and if it works well, then I'll roll 
> it out to the others. I'll be curious to see how well dspam performs on a lot 
> of the spam that I see, which is filled with hashbuster text intended 
> precisely to defeat statistical filters like dspam.
>
> Two minor corrections to the very helpful instructions that you published.
>
> First, I think step 4 should come before step 3 (so that you have access to 
> the dspam setup scripts when you configure your MySQL).
>
> Second in step 7, it should be 'service dspam start' rather than 'service 
> start dspam'.
>
> I don't know if it's worth adding this stuff to the wiki yet, because I don't 
> know how Eric will choose to support dspam in QMT. When it does get added to 
> the wiki, it would be worth including some of the configuration information 
> from JMS's page, as that's crucial to getting dspam working properly. (I 
> almost got stuck with dspam failing to start because it was still running in 
> the default mode - as an adjunct to a mail server - rather than as a 
> client/server-style filtering system, and was throwing an error when it tried 
> to access a port).
>
> Thanks again
>
> Angus
>
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Your welcome. Since November, I've created a much easier automated
install here . Be sure to look at
the Readme file. And, as always, check the script.

EricB.

Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam

[Angus McIntyre]

On Nov 18, 2013, at 10:32 AM, Eric Broch  wrote:
> I've been working on getting DSPAM deployed and have implemented it on my own 
> (CentOS 5) email server with great results. 

Eric, many belated thanks for this detailed write-up.

Using this, plus the John M. Simpson page that you pointed to, I was able to 
get dspam installed and running on my server.

I'm now testing it with a single user, and if it works well, then I'll roll it 
out to the others. I'll be curious to see how well dspam performs on a lot of 
the spam that I see, which is filled with hashbuster text intended precisely to 
defeat statistical filters like dspam.

Two minor corrections to the very helpful instructions that you published.

First, I think step 4 should come before step 3 (so that you have access to the 
dspam setup scripts when you configure your MySQL).

Second in step 7, it should be 'service dspam start' rather than 'service start 
dspam'.

I don't know if it's worth adding this stuff to the wiki yet, because I don't 
know how Eric will choose to support dspam in QMT. When it does get added to 
the wiki, it would be worth including some of the configuration information 
from JMS's page, as that's crucial to getting dspam working properly. (I almost 
got stuck with dspam failing to start because it was still running in the 
default mode - as an adjunct to a mail server - rather than as a 
client/server-style filtering system, and was throwing an error when it tried 
to access a port).

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Re: [qmailtoaster] Dspam with QMT / per-user settings

[P.V.Anthony]

On 12/07/2013 17:17, Fabian Santiago wrote:

Thank you. But how does dspam know to check those email boxes?


Got this doing a search in google. Not qmail but postfix. But you can 
get an idea about the dovecat integration.


https://kuther.net/howtos/integrate-dspam-postfix-dovecot-any-mail-client

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Re: [qmailtoaster] Dspam with QMT / per-user settings

[Fabian Santiago]

Thank you. But how does dspam know to check those email boxes? 

Fabian s. 


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From: "P.V.Anthony"  
Date: 07/11/2013  9:29 PM  (GMT-07:00) 
To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com 
Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] Dspam with QMT / per-user settings 
 
On 12/07/2013 12:13, Fabian Santiago wrote:

> 1.) any way to implement the ability for users to set their own settings?

There is no much setting for the user. Sometimes it is better that the 
user does not mess around with the setting.

If you are try out, use TOE. This has given me very good results.

> 2.) best method of training dspam and possibly automating it by placing
> spam /ham in certain folders or mailboxes?

Yes. Dovecat can but I have not tried it yet. Currently we just email to 
s...@example.com and nots...@example.com

> SA is also there as part of the default qmt install. I am just
> experimenting with dspam. Thanks everyone.

I like dspam more.

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Re: [qmailtoaster] Dspam with QMT / per-user settings

[P.V.Anthony]

On 12/07/2013 12:13, Fabian Santiago wrote:


1.) any way to implement the ability for users to set their own settings?


There is no much setting for the user. Sometimes it is better that the 
user does not mess around with the setting.


If you are try out, use TOE. This has given me very good results.


2.) best method of training dspam and possibly automating it by placing
spam /ham in certain folders or mailboxes?


Yes. Dovecat can but I have not tried it yet. Currently we just email to 
s...@example.com and nots...@example.com



SA is also there as part of the default qmt install. I am just
experimenting with dspam. Thanks everyone.


I like dspam more.

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Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam + qmailtoaster

[Lee R. Copp]

slamp slamp wrote:
> my question iscan this be done globally? i do not want to populate
> each users folder with their own .mailfilter.

I'm not sure about globally but its not really that hard to setup each
user.  My dspam setup requires a custom .qmail file for each user in
order to use the .mailfilter to process the message through dspam and
then into the inbox or spam maildirs.

Each of the .qmail and .mailfilter files are the same for each user
who wants dspam.  I am writing a 'publish' script to update my 30+
users with any changes I make to the 2 files but I haven't had any
time to work on it.  I installed a new server over the holiday and it
will be a while before I can update the low priority scripts...;)

Maybe the .qmail-default in the domain folder would be a direction you
could check into?
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fn:Lee R. Copp
n:Copp;Lee
org:Michigan Scientific Corporation
adr:;;321 East Huron St.;Milford;MI;48381;USA
email;internet:lee.r.c...@michiganscientific.com
title:Project Engineer (EE/ME)
tel;work:248-685-3939
tel;fax:248-684-5406
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RE: [qmailtoaster] DSpam

[Quinn Comendant]

On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:54:11 -0500, Kyle Quillen wrote:
> I would love to be able to have users forward spam messages.

This can be done using SA too, via sa-learn injection. Just create two aliases:

sudo valias -i '|sa-learn --spam --no-sync >> /var/log/sa-learn-spam.log 2>&1' 
[EMAIL PROTECTED];
sudo valias -i '|sa-learn --ham --no-sync >> /var/log/sa-learn-ham.log 2>&1' 
[EMAIL PROTECTED];

Then put this into cron to run nightly by user root:

qmail-spam stop && sudo -H -u vpopmail sa-learn --force-expire && qmail-spam 
start;


Quinn

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RE: [qmailtoaster] DSpam

[A.Mihalic]

My 2 cents, yes hard for my level, i tried but failed to get all the bells
and whistles installen on a centos4 toaster, i could find no suitable
information for my toaster, plus simscan had me confused, i was doomed to
fail.
Then I decided to make dspam on a gateway in front of my beloved toaster
Loaded Debian and followed these howto's "piece of cake"
I did not follow all the steps in order, but rather gathered important
parts from all 3. After reading all three you will see some good ideas
that you want to incorp.
Started at:
http://www.howtoforge.com/virtual_users_and_domains_with_postfix_debian_etch
stopped at mysql and then followed the below howto making adjustments to
use mysql apache2 certs and up to squirrelmail, I only used what I wanted
on my setup.
http://www200.pair.com/mecham/spam/virtualp1.html
Then I used all of the next 2 howto's
http://www.howtoforge.com/etch_postfix_dspam_clamav
http://www.howtoforge.com/dspam_webui_debian_sid
I did use the etch unstable version mod auth mysq dpkg :(
Best if you build your own new mod here.
 I think if you have an extra box and IP the gateway is pretty sweet,
messages that slip by the gate are greeted with the toasters spamassassin
i still see hard rejects once in a while.
Plus user to user mail is still scanned by the toasters clam or should be.

I am very very happy so far.
You have many ways to setup dspam, unpack the dspam tar ball and have a
look see
Good Luck
AM







> Hmmm...is it difficult to implement with our toaster?  Is there something
> on
> that site to get it working?  I might look into writing a step by step for
> our wiki if I have time/decide to put it in...
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jake Vickers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 12:34 PM
> To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com
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>
> Helmut Fritz wrote:
>> Pardon my ignorance.  Is DSpam standalone instead of Spamassasin?  Or
>> a supplement?  Is there a link someone could direct me to for more
>> information?  Thx.
>>
>
> Yes, you would use dspam instead of spamassassin.
> http://dspam.nuclearelephant.com/index.shtml
>
> It had been brought up before a long time ago on the list and was
> something
> I had wanted to look into. I'm starting a project tomorrow that I may use
> it
> on, and wanted to see what the opinions were of the people that have tried
> it and used it.
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Re: [qmailtoaster] DSpam

[Jake Vickers]

Helmut Fritz wrote:

Hmmm...is it difficult to implement with our toaster?  Is there something on
that site to get it working?  I might look into writing a step by step for
our wiki if I have time/decide to put it in... 
  


I don't think it's too difficult - I was fishing a little. I'm going to 
try and setup a devel machine this weekend and see if I can't shoe-horn 
it in. I'll let you know how it goes.




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Re: [qmailtoaster] DSpam

[Jake Vickers]

Helmut Fritz wrote:

Pardon my ignorance.  Is DSpam standalone instead of Spamassasin?  Or a
supplement?  Is there a link someone could direct me to for more
information?  Thx.
  


Yes, you would use dspam instead of spamassassin.
http://dspam.nuclearelephant.com/index.shtml

It had been brought up before a long time ago on the list and was 
something I had wanted to look into. I'm starting a project tomorrow 
that I may use it on, and wanted to see what the opinions were of the 
people that have tried it and used it.




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RE: [qmailtoaster] DSpam

[Helmut Fritz]

Hmmm...is it difficult to implement with our toaster?  Is there something on
that site to get it working?  I might look into writing a step by step for
our wiki if I have time/decide to put it in... 

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To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com
Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] DSpam

Helmut Fritz wrote:
> Pardon my ignorance.  Is DSpam standalone instead of Spamassasin?  Or 
> a supplement?  Is there a link someone could direct me to for more 
> information?  Thx.
>   

Yes, you would use dspam instead of spamassassin.
http://dspam.nuclearelephant.com/index.shtml

It had been brought up before a long time ago on the list and was something
I had wanted to look into. I'm starting a project tomorrow that I may use it
on, and wanted to see what the opinions were of the people that have tried
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[Helmut Fritz]

Pardon my ignorance.  Is DSpam standalone instead of Spamassasin?  Or a
supplement?  Is there a link someone could direct me to for more
information?  Thx.

Helmut 

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It Works!
I did the web ui gateway setup did not setup .Spam folders I let my users
login to the webui.
They can just forward spam via mail if they wish...fast The webui is my
favorite, you can look and see if good emails get caught and have them
delivered, plus see all that trash stopped dead.
I love it.
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[Helmut Fritz]

Pardon my ignorance.  Is DSpam standalone instead of Spamassasin?  Or a
supplement?  Is there a link someone could direct me to for more
information?  Thx.

Helmut 

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It Works!
I did the web ui gateway setup did not setup .Spam folders I let my users
login to the webui.
They can just forward spam via mail if they wish...fast The webui is my
favorite, you can look and see if good emails get caught and have them
delivered, plus see all that trash stopped dead.
I love it.
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[A.Mihalic]

It Works!
I did the web ui gateway setup did not setup .Spam folders
I let my users login to the webui.
They can just forward spam via mail if they wish...fast
The webui is my favorite, you can look and see if good emails get caught
and have them delivered, plus see all that trash stopped dead.
I love it.
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RE: [qmailtoaster] DSpam

[Kyle Quillen]

I for one would like to know how this is working as well. 

I would love to be able to have users forward spam messages.

Q


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Subject: [qmailtoaster] DSpam

Anyone still using DSpam out there? If so, are you happy with it?  I 
like the fact that the users can just forward a message to the spam 
address and it will learn from it - most of my users call me telling me 
the computer is broken and doesn't work when a web page is offline, so 
the easier the better.
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Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam simscan options

[Simone Marzona]

I need something that works at queue level, not at delivery level.

thanks

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> You can add dspam via the instruction at the following pages
> http://www.wimble.info/articles/dspam-qmail-vpopmail.php
> 
> It worth a try.
> 
> 
> > I all
> >
> > Where can I find some informations about configurim simscan to use dspam
> > instead of spamassassin?
> >
> > now simscan does support dspam (switches avaiable in the configure) and
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You can add dspam via the instruction at the following pages
http://www.wimble.info/articles/dspam-qmail-vpopmail.php

It worth a try.


> I all
>
> Where can I find some informations about configurim simscan to use dspam
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Re: [qmailtoaster] Dspam on the toaster

[Lee R. Copp]

Eric "Shubes" wrote:
> Is that one qmail-alias per server, domain, or user? (I'm not real clear on
> the process yet)

Its per user but it might be possible to have a global address if dspam
was tweaked.  It might support it now but I'm not sure...my dspam
version is over a year old.

> Do I understand correctly that dspam also keeps track of ham/spam on a
> per-user basis? In this manner, a piece of mail might be spam to one user
> and ham to another (in the same domain)?

Yes. Yes.
-- 
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Project Engineer (EE/ME)
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[Eric \"Shubes\"]

Lee R. Copp wrote:
> Eric "Shubes" wrote:
>> Would forwarding distort the message since it would appear to be coming from
>> the recipient (forwarder) instead of the original sender? How would dspam
>> handle this?
> 
> Forwarding the message to a spam/ham training address will distort the
> message but dspam won't care.  When dspam is first run the message is
> scanned to create tags that all belong to a unique id.  The tags
> determine spam or ham and dspam marks it as such along with embedding
> the id in the header or body.  To train on a false-pos or false-neg
> dspam only really needs the id and the right command line switch.  So,
> it doesn't matter if you forward it as long as that id is in there.
> Each qmail-alias is set to run dspam with the 'oops, spam' or 'oops,
> ham' switch and dspam learns from its mistake.
> 
> To make things really slick only 1 qmail-alias is needed.  Simply scan
> the header for the prior dspam classification and pipe it back to dspam
> with the correct switch...;)

Sounds slick.

Is that one qmail-alias per server, domain, or user? (I'm not real clear on
the process yet)

Do I understand correctly that dspam also keeps track of ham/spam on a
per-user basis? In this manner, a piece of mail might be spam to one user
and ham to another (in the same domain)?

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When testing is required, it might pay to put a call out to users in the list - I know I would definitely respond. Im very interested in dspam, through my own failed test installs."Eric \"Shubes\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Justice London wrote:> Well, apparently I lied. I'm not going to have time this week to work on the> dspam stuff.> > Justice London> That's ok, Justice. There's no hurry. Slow and steady wins the race! If weget anything going at all on this by the end of the year, I'll be happy. ;)-- -Eric 'shubes'- QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted -To unsubscribe, e-mail:
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Eric "Shubes" wrote:
> Would forwarding distort the message since it would appear to be coming from
> the recipient (forwarder) instead of the original sender? How would dspam
> handle this?

Forwarding the message to a spam/ham training address will distort the
message but dspam won't care.  When dspam is first run the message is
scanned to create tags that all belong to a unique id.  The tags
determine spam or ham and dspam marks it as such along with embedding
the id in the header or body.  To train on a false-pos or false-neg
dspam only really needs the id and the right command line switch.  So,
it doesn't matter if you forward it as long as that id is in there.
Each qmail-alias is set to run dspam with the 'oops, spam' or 'oops,
ham' switch and dspam learns from its mistake.

To make things really slick only 1 qmail-alias is needed.  Simply scan
the header for the prior dspam classification and pipe it back to dspam
with the correct switch...;)
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Re: [qmailtoaster] Dspam on the toaster

[Eric \"Shubes\"]

Jake Vickers wrote:
> Eric "Shubes" wrote:
>> Lee R. Copp wrote:
>>   
>>> Rangi Biddle wrote:
>>> 
 With your setup, does it allow pop3 clients to download less spam? Just
 wondering as this would be an easier approach considering you could filter
 mail marked as spam into a mail folder and train Dspam that way.
   
>>> POP3 would work fine except for the training portion of dspam.  Even
>>> though my setup uses IMAP people can still download the contents of
>>> their inbox which would be clean.  Training could be done by forwarding
>>> ham and spam to email aliases which would be pretty basic using
>>> .qmail-alias files.
>>> 
>>
>> Would forwarding distort the message since it would appear to be coming from
>> the recipient (forwarder) instead of the original sender? How would dspam
>> handle this?
>>
>>   
> I imagine it would. To train spamassassin this way, you need to "bounce"
> or redirect the message to a spam account for it to learn from.
> Sorry, I just jumped in the middle of this. Here is some more info:
> 
> Many thanks to all the contributors, listed in parentheses.
> 
> AOL's integrated email client
> 
> Redirecting mail is not available. /(Dave Goldsmith)/
> 
> Eudora
> 
> Select the message, go to the "Message" menu, choose redirect, fill in
> the address, and choose send. /(Brian Corcoran and Erik Wheeler)/
> 
> Evolution
> 
> Select the message. In the "Actions" menu, choose the "Forward" submenu
> (not "Forward message", the "Forward" submenu). Pick "Redirect", fill in
> the "To" field, and press "Send". /(Johannes Ullrich)/
> 
> OS/X Mail.app
> 
> With the email message open or selected, go to Mail's 'Message' menu and
> select 'Bounce to sender' or 'Redirect'. If you use this frequently, go
> to the "View" menu, choose "Customize toolbar", and add a button for
> "Redirect". /(Marion Bates)/
> 
> Microsoft Outlook 97
> 
> Double-click on the message so it opens in a new window. Click on
> Tools->Resend This Message. A warning will appear about you not being
> the original sender of the message. Click Yes. A message window appears.
> Update the To: field and click on 'Send'. /(Dave Goldsmith)/
> 
> Microsoft Outlook 2000
> 
> Double-click on the message so it opens in a new window. Click on
> Actions->Resend This Message. A warning will appear about you not being
> the original sender of the message. Click Yes. A message window appears.
> Update the To: field and click on 'Send'. /(Dave Goldsmith)/
> 
> Microsoft Outlook Express
> 
> It does not appear to have a redirect option. /(Dave Goldsmith and Alex
> Bates)/
> 
> Netscape Communicator 4.x and 7.x
> 
> They don't appear to have a redirect option.
> 
> Pine
> 
> For a single message, highlight the message and press "b" to bounce it.
> Enter the target address and press enter.
> 
> For multiple messages, select all the messages you'd like to bounce with
> either ":" to select them one at a time, or ";" to select multiple
> messages by message number, subject, body text, etc. Once selected,
> press "a", then "b" to Apply the Bounce command to all of them. Enter
> the target email address. Once done, press ";", then "a" to Unselect All
> selected messages.
> 
> More info can be found at:
> http://www.itc.virginia.edu/desktop/email/pine/bounce.html

I was wondering about dspam w/ pop3. This answers a lot of questions.

I'm disappointed to see that Netscape doesn't have a redirect option.
However, there *is* a mailredirect extension for Mozilla Thunderbird (0.7
and above) and Mozilla Mail. I don't know if this would work with Netscape
or not.

In addition, I see on the dspam list that some people have used both
spamassassin *and* dspam. That being the case, I think we should be looking
to provide dspam in addition to SA on the toaster. It'd be sweet if people
could choose either/and with a simple configuration. Keyword: simple.
Neither one is looking very simple to me at this point. :( Doesn't mean it
can't be done though.

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RE: [qmailtoaster] Dspam on the toaster

[Justice London]

Well, apparently I lied. I'm not going to have time this week to work on the
dspam stuff.

Justice London

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Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] Dspam on the toaster

Jake Vickers wrote:
> Eric "Shubes" wrote:
>> Lee R. Copp wrote:
>>   
>>> Rangi Biddle wrote:
>>> 
>>>> With your setup, does it allow pop3 clients to download less spam? Just
>>>> wondering as this would be an easier approach considering you could
filter
>>>> mail marked as spam into a mail folder and train Dspam that way.
>>>>   
>>> POP3 would work fine except for the training portion of dspam.  Even
>>> though my setup uses IMAP people can still download the contents of
>>> their inbox which would be clean.  Training could be done by forwarding
>>> ham and spam to email aliases which would be pretty basic using
>>> .qmail-alias files.
>>> 
>>
>> Would forwarding distort the message since it would appear to be coming
from
>> the recipient (forwarder) instead of the original sender? How would dspam
>> handle this?
>>
>>   
> I imagine it would. To train spamassassin this way, you need to "bounce"
> or redirect the message to a spam account for it to learn from.
> Sorry, I just jumped in the middle of this. Here is some more info:
> 
> Many thanks to all the contributors, listed in parentheses.
> 
> AOL's integrated email client
> 
> Redirecting mail is not available. /(Dave Goldsmith)/
> 
> Eudora
> 
> Select the message, go to the "Message" menu, choose redirect, fill in
> the address, and choose send. /(Brian Corcoran and Erik Wheeler)/
> 
> Evolution
> 
> Select the message. In the "Actions" menu, choose the "Forward" submenu
> (not "Forward message", the "Forward" submenu). Pick "Redirect", fill in
> the "To" field, and press "Send". /(Johannes Ullrich)/
> 
> OS/X Mail.app
> 
> With the email message open or selected, go to Mail's 'Message' menu and
> select 'Bounce to sender' or 'Redirect'. If you use this frequently, go
> to the "View" menu, choose "Customize toolbar", and add a button for
> "Redirect". /(Marion Bates)/
> 
> Microsoft Outlook 97
> 
> Double-click on the message so it opens in a new window. Click on
> Tools->Resend This Message. A warning will appear about you not being
> the original sender of the message. Click Yes. A message window appears.
> Update the To: field and click on 'Send'. /(Dave Goldsmith)/
> 
> Microsoft Outlook 2000
> 
> Double-click on the message so it opens in a new window. Click on
> Actions->Resend This Message. A warning will appear about you not being
> the original sender of the message. Click Yes. A message window appears.
> Update the To: field and click on 'Send'. /(Dave Goldsmith)/
> 
> Microsoft Outlook Express
> 
> It does not appear to have a redirect option. /(Dave Goldsmith and Alex
> Bates)/
> 
> Netscape Communicator 4.x and 7.x
> 
> They don't appear to have a redirect option.
> 
> Pine
> 
> For a single message, highlight the message and press "b" to bounce it.
> Enter the target address and press enter.
> 
> For multiple messages, select all the messages you'd like to bounce with
> either ":" to select them one at a time, or ";" to select multiple
> messages by message number, subject, body text, etc. Once selected,
> press "a", then "b" to Apply the Bounce command to all of them. Enter
> the target email address. Once done, press ";", then "a" to Unselect All
> selected messages.
> 
> More info can be found at:
> http://www.itc.virginia.edu/desktop/email/pine/bounce.html

I was wondering about dspam w/ pop3. This answers a lot of questions.

I'm disappointed to see that Netscape doesn't have a redirect option.
However, there *is* a mailredirect extension for Mozilla Thunderbird (0.7
and above) and Mozilla Mail. I don't know if this would work with Netscape
or not.

In addition, I see on the dspam list that some people have used both
spamassassin *and* dspam. That being the case, I think we should be looking
to provide dspam in addition to SA on the toaster. It'd be sweet if people
could choose either/and with a simple configuration. Keyword: simple.
Neither one is looking very simple to me at this point. :( Doesn't mean it
can't be done though.

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[Eric \"Shubes\"]

Justice London wrote:
> Well, apparently I lied. I'm not going to have time this week to work on the
> dspam stuff.
> 
> Justice London
> 

That's ok, Justice. There's no hurry. Slow and steady wins the race! If we
get anything going at all on this by the end of the year, I'll be happy. ;)

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[Eric \"Shubes\"]

Lee R. Copp wrote:
> Rangi Biddle wrote:
>> With your setup, does it allow pop3 clients to download less spam? Just
>> wondering as this would be an easier approach considering you could filter
>> mail marked as spam into a mail folder and train Dspam that way.
> 
> POP3 would work fine except for the training portion of dspam.  Even
> though my setup uses IMAP people can still download the contents of
> their inbox which would be clean.  Training could be done by forwarding
> ham and spam to email aliases which would be pretty basic using
> .qmail-alias files.

Would forwarding distort the message since it would appear to be coming from
the recipient (forwarder) instead of the original sender? How would dspam
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Re: [qmailtoaster] Dspam on the toaster

[Jake Vickers]

Eric "Shubes" wrote:

  Lee R. Copp wrote:
  
  
Rangi Biddle wrote:


  With your setup, does it allow pop3 clients to download less spam? Just
wondering as this would be an easier approach considering you could filter
mail marked as spam into a mail folder and train Dspam that way.
  

POP3 would work fine except for the training portion of dspam.  Even
though my setup uses IMAP people can still download the contents of
their inbox which would be clean.  Training could be done by forwarding
ham and spam to email aliases which would be pretty basic using
.qmail-alias files.

  
  
Would forwarding distort the message since it would appear to be coming from
the recipient (forwarder) instead of the original sender? How would dspam
handle this?

  

I imagine it would. To train spamassassin this way, you need to
"bounce" or redirect the message to a spam account for it to learn from.
Sorry, I just jumped in the middle of this. Here is some more info:
Many thanks to all the contributors, listed in
parentheses. 
AOL's integrated email client 
Redirecting mail is
not available. (Dave
Goldsmith) 
Eudora 
Select the message, go
to the
"Message" menu, choose redirect, fill in the address, and choose
send. (Brian Corcoran and Erik Wheeler) 
Evolution 
Select the message. In
the
"Actions" menu, choose the "Forward" submenu (not
"Forward message", the "Forward" submenu). Pick
"Redirect", fill in the "To" field, and press
"Send". (Johannes Ullrich) 
OS/X Mail.app 
With the email message
open or
selected, go to Mail's 'Message' menu and select 'Bounce to sender' or
'Redirect'. If you use this frequently, go to the "View" menu, choose
"Customize toolbar", and add a button for "Redirect". (Marion
Bates) 
Microsoft Outlook 97 
Double-click on the
message so it
opens in a new window. Click on Tools->Resend This Message. A
warning will
appear about you not being the original sender of the message. Click
Yes. A
message window appears. Update the To: field and click on 'Send'. (Dave
Goldsmith) 
Microsoft Outlook 2000 
Double-click on the
message so it
opens in a new window. Click on Actions->Resend This Message. A
warning will
appear about you not being the original sender of the message. Click
Yes. A
message window appears. Update the To: field and click on 'Send'. (Dave
Goldsmith) 
Microsoft Outlook Express 
It does not appear to
have a
redirect option. (Dave Goldsmith and Alex Bates) 
Netscape Communicator 4.x and 7.x 
They don't appear to
have a
redirect option. 
Pine 
For a single message,
highlight the
message and press "b" to bounce it. Enter the target address and
press enter. 
For multiple messages, select all the
messages
you'd like to bounce with either ":" to select them one at a time, or
";" to select multiple messages by message number, subject, body
text, etc. Once selected, press "a", then "b" to Apply the
Bounce command to all of them. Enter the target email address. Once
done, press
";", then "a" to Unselect All selected messages.
More
info can be found at: http://www.itc.virginia.edu/desktop/email/pine/bounce.html

Re: [qmailtoaster] Dspam on the toaster

[Lee R. Copp]

Rangi Biddle wrote:
> With your setup, does it allow pop3 clients to download less spam? Just
> wondering as this would be an easier approach considering you could filter
> mail marked as spam into a mail folder and train Dspam that way.

POP3 would work fine except for the training portion of dspam.  Even
though my setup uses IMAP people can still download the contents of
their inbox which would be clean.  Training could be done by forwarding
ham and spam to email aliases which would be pretty basic using
.qmail-alias files.
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Re: [qmailtoaster] Dspam on the toaster

[Jake Vickers]

Eric "Shubes" wrote:


I was wondering about dspam w/ pop3. This answers a lot of questions.

I'm disappointed to see that Netscape doesn't have a redirect option.
However, there *is* a mailredirect extension for Mozilla Thunderbird (0.7
and above) and Mozilla Mail. I don't know if this would work with Netscape
or not.

In addition, I see on the dspam list that some people have used both
spamassassin *and* dspam. That being the case, I think we should be looking
to provide dspam in addition to SA on the toaster. It'd be sweet if people
could choose either/and with a simple configuration. Keyword: simple.
Neither one is looking very simple to me at this point. :( Doesn't mean it
can't be done though.

  
That was from a while ago; they may have a fix for Netscape now. Figured 
that would help a little.


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[Rangi Biddle]

Hey Lee,

With your setup, does it allow pop3 clients to download less spam? Just
wondering as this would be an easier approach considering you could filter
mail marked as spam into a mail folder and train Dspam that way.

If so care to share?



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Eric "Shubes" wrote:
>> the administration CGI scripts (if you intend to run the CGI scripts).
This
>> was wholly an apache suexec issue more than a DSpam one.
> 
> Hey Lee, what do you know about this problem? (Please see Rangi's earlier
> post) Did you come across this problem? Solution?

I ignored the admin cgi scripts since I only used IMAP folders for
training...much easier than another website to click around for my users.
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Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam on the toaster

[Lee R. Copp]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> BTW Vexira? with which conf, 2 qmails and vams between them ?

Internet >>> Vexira >>> Qmail

> God save simscan :-P

I will have to check that out.
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Re: [qmailtoaster] Dspam on the toaster

[Lee R. Copp]

Eric "Shubes" wrote:
>> the administration CGI scripts (if you intend to run the CGI scripts).  This
>> was wholly an apache suexec issue more than a DSpam one.
> 
> Hey Lee, what do you know about this problem? (Please see Rangi's earlier
> post) Did you come across this problem? Solution?

I ignored the admin cgi scripts since I only used IMAP folders for
training...much easier than another website to click around for my users.
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[Lee R. Copp]

Eric "Shubes" wrote:
> I suppose that answers anyother question, which AV? I'm think that we'll
> want to change as little as possible of the toaster configuration. Why
> Vexira instead of ClamAV (which is plugged into simscan)?

I setup Vexira before ClamAV got added to the toaster.

> Also, is there some reason you've plugged RBL into Vexira instead of using
> the blacklists control file? Using the blacklists file would block the
> message at the smtp session, before it's even transmitted. I think that
> would save you some bandwidth and processing.

Vexira is a smtp proxy in front of qmail so there is no reason to use
qmail's blacklist control file.  Vexira dumps spam just fine using the RBL.
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Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam on the toaster

[Eric \"Shubes\"]

Firdaus Tjahyadi wrote:
> 
> 
> On 10/27/06, *Eric Shubes* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > 
> wrote:
> 
> Great.
> 
> I was hoping we wouldn't need to wait for Kyle's VMs before we get
> going on
> this. Can we use CentOS4.4 and current toaster on a devel box?
> 
> I'd also like to see 1 or 2 other volunteers.
> 
> Before we jump right in, I'm thinking that we need to figure out how
> DS is
> going to hook into the process.
> 
> 
> 
> hi eric
> feel free to contact me as volunteer for Mandriva 2007
> i've running Mandriva 2007 + Qmailtoaster for my running and backup server
> 
> i'm glad to try simscan + Dspam for my backup server
> 
> regards

Thanks, Firdaus. We'll let you know if/when the time comes.

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[Firdaus Tjahyadi]

On 10/27/06, Eric Shubes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Great.I was hoping we wouldn't need to wait for Kyle's VMs before we get going onthis. Can we use CentOS4.4 and current toaster on a devel box?I'd also like to see 1 or 2 other volunteers.Before we jump right in, I'm thinking that we need to figure out how DS is
going to hook into the process.

hi eric 
feel free to contact me as volunteer for Mandriva 2007 
i've running Mandriva 2007 + Qmailtoaster for my running and backup server

i'm glad to try simscan + Dspam for my backup server

regards

Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam on the toaster

[dsanchez]

>> I have sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org plugged into my Vexira AntiVirus.  I love
>> it.  It blocks 1k-2k messages per day.

BTW Vexira? with which conf, 2 qmails and vams between them ?

I was using that conf and was annoying :-S

God save simscan :-P


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Re: [qmailtoaster] Dspam on the toaster

[Eric \"Shubes\"]

Rangi Biddle wrote:
> 
> Perhaps a point to start would be to take the simscan 1.1 patch and examine
> it.  Either that or wait for the guys at Inter7 to do something with it.

I'd like to see a capable person look at the patch. We should probably hit
inter7's simscan list to see what the status of DSpam is with them.

> 
> Changing the subject ever so slightly, those configure options that Eric
> posted are for DSpam and as I've already pointed out on that issue; it
> wasn't to do with DSpam, but more to do with the user/group that executes
> the administration CGI scripts (if you intend to run the CGI scripts).  This
> was wholly an apache suexec issue more than a DSpam one.

Hey Lee, what do you know about this problem? (Please see Rangi's earlier
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[Eric \"Shubes\"]

Lee R. Copp wrote:
> Eric "Shubes" wrote:
>> .) Do you use any RBLs in conjunction with DSpam? If so, which ones?
> 
> I have sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org plugged into my Vexira AntiVirus.  I love
> it.  It blocks 1k-2k messages per day.

I suppose that answers anyother question, which AV? I'm think that we'll
want to change as little as possible of the toaster configuration. Why
Vexira instead of ClamAV (which is plugged into simscan)?

Also, is there some reason you've plugged RBL into Vexira instead of using
the blacklists control file? Using the blacklists file would block the
message at the smtp session, before it's even transmitted. I think that
would save you some bandwidth and processing.

>> .) Do you have some automated method of creating the necessary .qmail and
>> .qmail-default files automatically when creating a new
>> domain/user (via qmailadmin or CLI)?

I suppose not with just 40 users?

>> .) Most importantly, are  you volunteering to help us out on this project?
>> ;) You've already done a very large part, but I'm wondering if you'll be
>> available for at least consultation.
> 
> I have been meaning on doing an upgrade/backup to the server but its
> hard to dump something which has worked so well...;)  I had kicked
> around the idea to do a dspam-toaster.rpm but never gotten around to it.
>  This sounds like there would be enough interest to make it worth it.
> 
>> Please help us, oh-Lee-one! :)
> 
> Count me in.
> 
>> Many thanks!
> 
> No problemo.

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RE: [qmailtoaster] Dspam on the toaster

[Rangi Biddle]

Hi Guys,

Thanks for the feedback on what I've posted thus far.  I totally agree about
user participation when training Dspam and have explained that to my
customer who is using the toaster for their customers (~415 domains).  But
alas, they themselves are ignorant to the subject of spam.  As someone else
mentioned from my message about catchalls, they are entirely correct and I
to agree that catchalls are an open invitation to spammers to spam you if
you have a catchall.

Considering the amount of active participation there is with DSpam I'd be
happy to put my name forward as one of the testers or perhaps assist in
integrating DSpam with simscan.  

Perhaps a point to start would be to take the simscan 1.1 patch and examine
it.  Either that or wait for the guys at Inter7 to do something with it.

-- Side Bar: If any of you have already experienced what it is like using
DSpam and its effectiveness you'd want to have it running now!  I'm serious
when I make that statement if you've ever gotten sick of clearing out your
Inbox that is full of spam.

Changing the subject ever so slightly, those configure options that Eric
posted are for DSpam and as I've already pointed out on that issue; it
wasn't to do with DSpam, but more to do with the user/group that executes
the administration CGI scripts (if you intend to run the CGI scripts).  This
was wholly an apache suexec issue more than a DSpam one.

I look forward to any comments/feedback.


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> Rangi Biddle wrote:
>> First issue I had was initially deciding on how to integrate DSpam (as
>> is
>> been mentioned already) and how best to manage it.  This basically came
>> down
>> to what the customers wanted which was to leave dealing with marking
>> which
>> messages are spam to the systems administrators.  Really sucks of course
>> considering that a simple error in marking a email for a client would
>> then
>> cause them to not get the email and getting a real earful.
>
> That is a totally impractical solution to spam.  Anything beyond 50-100
> users and you will spend all day just filtering email.  Certain things
> belong to admins (black-lists, antivirus, etc..) but users MUST be
> involved in determining their own spam/ham.  An admin cannot determine
> if a user wants that ad from tiger-direct (or whoever) or not.
>
> Besides, after the initial training there is very little the user needs
> to do except check a spam folder once in a while looking for false
> positives...:)
> --

Yep, a user must involve in this. At least with DSpam.

For DSpam to work as expected MUST be configured user-by-user

Your example of TigerDirect is perfect.

Thinking a little about it, should we uninstall a properly configured,
whole-system antispam spamassassin?

I think SA (or another whole server spam killer) must be installed, with a
very prudent configuration (the default toaster conf is perfect), to help
avoid unwanted bulk traffic.

Anyway bandwith is a scarce resource.

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Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam on the toaster

[Lee R. Copp]

Eric "Shubes" wrote:
> background for this project, but your site is a gold mine!

Thanks...;)

> .) I notice that you started with toaster 1.2.3. What's the latest version
> you're running with DSpam?

r1.2.3 is the last update I did which was a while ago but I started with
whatever version it was at a couple years ago.

> .) What kind of performance are you seeing with mysql as the database
> server? Will this be suitable for a high volume toaster?

I'm not sure.  I have seen anywhere from just under a second to several
seconds to even in the double digits.  The server is a p4 2.4GHz with
512M so it should have plenty of power to blow thru it faster then that.

I haven't really spent any time trying to track down where the lag
is...I only have about 40 mailboxes so it wasn't a big priority.  I know
it should be faster but...

> .) I see that DSpam is hooked in via maildrop. I presume this means that
> messages are never rejected during the smtp session, correct? Are rejection
> messages ever sent to the sender? I suppose not, but what is the use,
> really? (/I'm thinking to myself)

No rejections.  I had borked a dspam upgrade once and they all just
spooled until I unborked it.

> .) Do you use any RBLs in conjunction with DSpam? If so, which ones?

I have sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org plugged into my Vexira AntiVirus.  I love
it.  It blocks 1k-2k messages per day.

> .) Do you have some automated method of creating the necessary .qmail,
> .qmail-default, and .mailfilter files automatically when creating a new
> domain/user (via qmailadmin or CLI)? Note, I would think that the
> .mailfilter file should maybe be in a /bin somewhere, linked to from each
> user (for ease of maintenance).

Wow.  I have one I just missed it when I put the website together.
Check the site again.  Its a tad hard coded but could be built on.

> .) Most importantly, are  you volunteering to help us out on this project?
> ;) You've already done a very large part, but I'm wondering if you'll be
> available for at least consultation.

I have been meaning on doing an upgrade/backup to the server but its
hard to dump something which has worked so well...;)  I had kicked
around the idea to do a dspam-toaster.rpm but never gotten around to it.
 This sounds like there would be enough interest to make it worth it.

> Please help us, oh-Lee-one! :)

Count me in.

> Many thanks!

No problemo.
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Re: [qmailtoaster] Dspam on the toaster

[dsanchez]

> Rangi Biddle wrote:
>> First issue I had was initially deciding on how to integrate DSpam (as
>> is
>> been mentioned already) and how best to manage it.  This basically came
>> down
>> to what the customers wanted which was to leave dealing with marking
>> which
>> messages are spam to the systems administrators.  Really sucks of course
>> considering that a simple error in marking a email for a client would
>> then
>> cause them to not get the email and getting a real earful.
>
> That is a totally impractical solution to spam.  Anything beyond 50-100
> users and you will spend all day just filtering email.  Certain things
> belong to admins (black-lists, antivirus, etc..) but users MUST be
> involved in determining their own spam/ham.  An admin cannot determine
> if a user wants that ad from tiger-direct (or whoever) or not.
>
> Besides, after the initial training there is very little the user needs
> to do except check a spam folder once in a while looking for false
> positives...:)
> --

Yep, a user must involve in this. At least with DSpam.

For DSpam to work as expected MUST be configured user-by-user

Your example of TigerDirect is perfect.

Thinking a little about it, should we uninstall a properly configured,
whole-system antispam spamassassin?

I think SA (or another whole server spam killer) must be installed, with a
very prudent configuration (the default toaster conf is perfect), to help
avoid unwanted bulk traffic.

Anyway bandwith is a scarce resource.

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Re: [qmailtoaster] Dspam on the toaster

[Lee R. Copp]

Rangi Biddle wrote:
> First issue I had was initially deciding on how to integrate DSpam (as is
> been mentioned already) and how best to manage it.  This basically came down
> to what the customers wanted which was to leave dealing with marking which
> messages are spam to the systems administrators.  Really sucks of course
> considering that a simple error in marking a email for a client would then
> cause them to not get the email and getting a real earful.

That is a totally impractical solution to spam.  Anything beyond 50-100
users and you will spend all day just filtering email.  Certain things
belong to admins (black-lists, antivirus, etc..) but users MUST be
involved in determining their own spam/ham.  An admin cannot determine
if a user wants that ad from tiger-direct (or whoever) or not.

Besides, after the initial training there is very little the user needs
to do except check a spam folder once in a while looking for false
positives...:)
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Re: [qmailtoaster] Dspam on the toaster

[dsanchez]

>
>> Second issue I had was mainly the limitations of where I could implement
>> DSpam into the current toaster setup.  With the current toaster there
>> were issues with using either procmail or maildrop as LMTP or LDA which
>> seemed to cause messages to be lost in the void when mail was being
>> delivered (with catchall’s and actual virtual user accounts).  There
>> has
>> been discussion already on this list about integrating DSpam with
>> simscan which has been done already, but, for an earlier version than
>> what is being used at present.  The patch that is also available still
>> isn’t bug free and as mentioned only works with version 1.1 of
>> simscan.
>


BTW, IMHO catchall mail accounts are STUPID.

I think that if you use catchall you don't even care about spam.


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Re: [qmailtoaster] Dspam on the toaster

[dsanchez]

Hi!

   Almost everyone in this list tells about using dspam _instead_ SA .

   DSpam is GREAT, as allow a user to interact with the antispam system
and train it.

   BUT, people is lazy.

   Very lazy.

   Typical users use POP accounts with Outlook and don't know even that
there are IMAP folders on their server.


   Maybe they deserve SPAM, but tell your PHB why they get that much spam!


   A much better approach about spam is getting a VERY conservative
SpamAssassin configuration, just as we with the default toaster have,
and implement DSpam as per user basis (with maildrop).

   If you as user like to control your spam you can use this new option
via IMAP or squirrelmail with folders.

   If you are a tipical user that doesn't use IMAP nor Squirrelmail (90%
of people using non free html mail (gmail, hotmail, etc)), you will get
some SPAM.

And everyone happy, the sun shines the birds sing and the beer is cold
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> Rangi Biddle wrote:
>> Hi Guys,
>>
>> Well I thought I would put my 2 cent’s in to this conversation as
>> I’ve
>> successfully implemented DSpam into my qmail toaster install but had a
>> couple of issues that need to be addressed if considering putting DSpam
>> into the current toaster.
>
> A tad more than 2 cents, methinks. ;)
>
>> First issue I had was initially deciding on how to integrate DSpam (as
>> is been mentioned already) and how best to manage it.  This basically
>> came down to what the customers wanted which was to leave dealing with
>> marking which messages are spam to the systems administrators.  Really
>> sucks of course considering that a simple error in marking a email for a
>> client would then cause them to not get the email and getting a real
>> earful.
>
> I believe that DSpam isn't workable without user participation. This is as
> much a matter of education as it is anything else. I don't think spam can
> be
> addressed solely by system administrator. PHBs and customers need to
> acknowledge that fact (not an opinion). Anything short of that is wishful
> thinking. Of course, there will be some who refuse to understand this, and
> SA is better suited to them (and I suppose they deserve a less effective
> solution).
>
>> Second issue I had was mainly the limitations of where I could implement
>> DSpam into the current toaster setup.  With the current toaster there
>> were issues with using either procmail or maildrop as LMTP or LDA which
>> seemed to cause messages to be lost in the void when mail was being
>> delivered (with catchall’s and actual virtual user accounts).  There
>> has
>> been discussion already on this list about integrating DSpam with
>> simscan which has been done already, but, for an earlier version than
>> what is being used at present.  The patch that is also available still
>> isn’t bug free and as mentioned only works with version 1.1 of
>> simscan.
>
> That's unfortunate. We need to find out what inter7's plans are regarding
> simscan with dspam.
>
>> This is the best approach (I believe) to integrating DSpam into the
>> current toaster as even before mail is accepted for delivery DSpam must
>> allow it to pass.  This unfortunately was not how I implemented DSpam.
>
>> I eventually ended up setting up DSpam as a relay on an aliased
>> interface on the same box which would then send mail after it had passed
>> through back to the other IP on the same host.  This is working ok but
>> would prefer the simscan integration.  There was however one issue that
>> was a nightmare to deal with, especially after the mail server went
>> live.  This was getting the administration panel for DSpam working.  Now
>> this wasn’t a DSpam issue but more of an apache one as the minimum GID
>> of a group that is allowed to suexec CGI scripts was >= 1000 and
>> vpopmail has a GID of 89.  Hmmm, what to do here?  I had to recompile
>> vpopmail (after editing spec file) for the adjustment and then rebuild
>> any other RPM that was dependant on vpopmail and finally changing
>> ownership of all the various files/directories that vpopmail had some
>> type of ownership of.
>
> I wonder how Lee's implemetation dealt with this. Perhaps the
> configuration
> parameters (--with-dspam-home-owner=vpopmail
> --with-dspam-home-group=vchkpw
> --with-dspam-owner=vpopmail --with-dspam-group=vchkpw) took care of it?
>
>> After a long ordeal the finished product was well
>> worth it.  I have gone that little bit further with DSpam and have setup
>> another system that now does all the relaying separately to the Qmail
>> Toaster and just has messages for legitimate users being passed to the
>> actual mail server which further reduces the load of the mail server
>> instead of bouncing messages back and forth.
>
> Sounds nice, but I think that the basic toaster needs to be self
> contained,
> with scalability.
>
>> As someone has asked or
>> mentioned about implementing ClamAV into DSpam this really wasn’t very
>> difficul

Re: [qmailtoaster] Dspam on the toaster

[Eric \"Shubes\"]

Rangi Biddle wrote:
> Hi Guys,
> 
> Well I thought I would put my 2 cent’s in to this conversation as I’ve
> successfully implemented DSpam into my qmail toaster install but had a
> couple of issues that need to be addressed if considering putting DSpam
> into the current toaster.

A tad more than 2 cents, methinks. ;)

> First issue I had was initially deciding on how to integrate DSpam (as
> is been mentioned already) and how best to manage it.  This basically
> came down to what the customers wanted which was to leave dealing with
> marking which messages are spam to the systems administrators.  Really
> sucks of course considering that a simple error in marking a email for a
> client would then cause them to not get the email and getting a real earful.

I believe that DSpam isn't workable without user participation. This is as
much a matter of education as it is anything else. I don't think spam can be
addressed solely by system administrator. PHBs and customers need to
acknowledge that fact (not an opinion). Anything short of that is wishful
thinking. Of course, there will be some who refuse to understand this, and
SA is better suited to them (and I suppose they deserve a less effective
solution).

> Second issue I had was mainly the limitations of where I could implement
> DSpam into the current toaster setup.  With the current toaster there
> were issues with using either procmail or maildrop as LMTP or LDA which
> seemed to cause messages to be lost in the void when mail was being
> delivered (with catchall’s and actual virtual user accounts).  There has
> been discussion already on this list about integrating DSpam with
> simscan which has been done already, but, for an earlier version than
> what is being used at present.  The patch that is also available still
> isn’t bug free and as mentioned only works with version 1.1 of simscan.

That's unfortunate. We need to find out what inter7's plans are regarding
simscan with dspam.

> This is the best approach (I believe) to integrating DSpam into the
> current toaster as even before mail is accepted for delivery DSpam must
> allow it to pass.  This unfortunately was not how I implemented DSpam. 

> I eventually ended up setting up DSpam as a relay on an aliased
> interface on the same box which would then send mail after it had passed
> through back to the other IP on the same host.  This is working ok but
> would prefer the simscan integration.  There was however one issue that
> was a nightmare to deal with, especially after the mail server went
> live.  This was getting the administration panel for DSpam working.  Now
> this wasn’t a DSpam issue but more of an apache one as the minimum GID
> of a group that is allowed to suexec CGI scripts was >= 1000 and
> vpopmail has a GID of 89.  Hmmm, what to do here?  I had to recompile
> vpopmail (after editing spec file) for the adjustment and then rebuild
> any other RPM that was dependant on vpopmail and finally changing
> ownership of all the various files/directories that vpopmail had some
> type of ownership of.

I wonder how Lee's implemetation dealt with this. Perhaps the configuration
parameters (--with-dspam-home-owner=vpopmail --with-dspam-home-group=vchkpw
--with-dspam-owner=vpopmail --with-dspam-group=vchkpw) took care of it?

> After a long ordeal the finished product was well
> worth it.  I have gone that little bit further with DSpam and have setup
> another system that now does all the relaying separately to the Qmail
> Toaster and just has messages for legitimate users being passed to the
> actual mail server which further reduces the load of the mail server
> instead of bouncing messages back and forth.

Sounds nice, but I think that the basic toaster needs to be self contained,
with scalability.

> As someone has asked or
> mentioned about implementing ClamAV into DSpam this really wasn’t very
> difficult.  All I merely had to do was install the clamav RPM and
> configure clamav to listen for TCP connections, uncomment a few lines in
> the dspam.conf file (ClamAV relevant sections), update clamav db using
> freshclam and finally starting clamav and restarting DSpam (if already
> running before installing ClamAV).

Hopefully we can continue to use clamav under simscan, so this won't be an
issue. I don't anticipate that we'll need to go this route, unless simscan
can't be used for some (unknown/unanticipated) reason.

> From what I have experienced so far, with DSpam, any further spam fights
> (not the canned kind) we will most certainly win.  After receiving a few
> messages (for my own email account) that were spam, I logged into the
> administration panel and marked these messages and a few others that had
> gotten through and well I haven’t seen messages of those type come back
> through again.  Similarly, other admin members did the same after
> showing them what to do and voila same thing for them as well – less
> spam.  Over the course of the next few days we have had significant dr

Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam on the toaster

[Eric \"Shubes\"]

Justice,

I hope you've checked out Lee's site.

Justice London wrote:
> I'll try to work on implementation today and hopefully have some sort of
> working test within the next week or two.  I'll keep you guys informed.
> 
> Justice London
> 

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[Eric \"Shubes\"]

Lee R. Copp wrote:
> Did anyone check out my dspam toaster page?
> 
> http://mail.michscimfd.com/dspam/
> 
> Its a bit dated but might provide some help...;)

This is a fantastic start for us, Lee. I haven't gotten around to googling
background for this project, but your site is a gold mine!

A few questions:

.) I notice that you started with toaster 1.2.3. What's the latest version
you're running with DSpam?

.) What kind of performance are you seeing with mysql as the database
server? Will this be suitable for a high volume toaster?

.) I see that DSpam is hooked in via maildrop. I presume this means that
messages are never rejected during the smtp session, correct? Are rejection
messages ever sent to the sender? I suppose not, but what is the use,
really? (/I'm thinking to myself)

.) Do you use any RBLs in conjunction with DSpam? If so, which ones?

.) Do you have some automated method of creating the necessary .qmail,
.qmail-default, and .mailfilter files automatically when creating a new
domain/user (via qmailadmin or CLI)? Note, I would think that the
.mailfilter file should maybe be in a /bin somewhere, linked to from each
user (for ease of maintenance).

.) Most importantly, are  you volunteering to help us out on this project?
;) You've already done a very large part, but I'm wondering if you'll be
available for at least consultation.

Please help us, oh-Lee-one! :)

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[Justice London]

I'll try to work on implementation today and hopefully have some sort of
working test within the next week or two.  I'll keep you guys informed.

Justice London

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Craig Smith wrote:
> Hi Guys,
> 
> 
> I mentioned this to my boss yesterday highlighting that it is potentially
> better than SA and after reading the FAQ it certainly seems that way.
> 
> They are fairly reluctant to change anything at this point, but I'm all
for
> it.

This is typical for PHBs. No worry. I figure it'll be some time before this
is ready for the masses. We'll need to keep PHBs in mind, and be sure to
make it simple and include some education/sales/training along the way.

> If I can help I will,  it might be a good idea to collate all
> information that we can find in relation to dspam and qmail and simscan.
> There are already a few links on the list.

Yep. We'll need to figure out the best configuration before (or as) we delve
in.

> Our SA currently is very effective, but I belief in improving where
> possible. 

Me too. Spam is an ongoing war, but I think DSpam can win a big battle.

> Craig
>  


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Simone Marzona wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> 
> I'm  a volunteer to test dsmap on qmail toaster on a Mandriva2006 test
> system and send feedback to list/wiki.
> 
> 
Thanks, Simone. I've got you down.

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Craig Smith wrote:
> Hi Guys,
> 
> 
> I mentioned this to my boss yesterday highlighting that it is potentially
> better than SA and after reading the FAQ it certainly seems that way.
> 
> They are fairly reluctant to change anything at this point, but I'm all for
> it.

This is typical for PHBs. No worry. I figure it'll be some time before this
is ready for the masses. We'll need to keep PHBs in mind, and be sure to
make it simple and include some education/sales/training along the way.

> If I can help I will,  it might be a good idea to collate all
> information that we can find in relation to dspam and qmail and simscan.
> There are already a few links on the list.

Yep. We'll need to figure out the best configuration before (or as) we delve in.

> Our SA currently is very effective, but I belief in improving where
> possible. 

Me too. Spam is an ongoing war, but I think DSpam can win a big battle.

> Craig
>  


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Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam on the toaster

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Did anyone check out my dspam toaster page?

http://mail.michscimfd.com/dspam/

Its a bit dated but might provide some help...;)
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Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam on the toaster

[Simone Marzona]

Hi all

I'm  a volunteer to test dsmap on qmail toaster on a Mandriva2006 test 
system and send feedback to list/wiki.



Craig Smith wrote:

Hi Guys,


I mentioned this to my boss yesterday highlighting that it is potentially
better than SA and after reading the FAQ it certainly seems that way.

They are fairly reluctant to change anything at this point, but I'm all for
it.  If I can help I will,  it might be a good idea to collate all
information that we can find in relation to dspam and qmail and simscan.
There are already a few links on the list.

Our SA currently is very effective, but I belief in improving where
possible. 


Craig
 


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From: Eric "Shubes" [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 26 October 2006 21:49

To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com
Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam on the toaster

Thanks Marco. We're (obviously) a long way from testing, but I'll let you
know when we need you.

Marco Cordeiro wrote:

I'm a volunteer to test dspam on one of my servers running centos4.4 and
send feedback to the list.
I fact this server act only as mx secundary to some clients but,
I can use as primary MX to a specific domain and test on it.

Eric, fell free to contact me.

[]'s
Marco Cordeiro


  






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RE: [qmailtoaster] dspam on the toaster

[Craig Smith]

Hi Guys,


I mentioned this to my boss yesterday highlighting that it is potentially
better than SA and after reading the FAQ it certainly seems that way.

They are fairly reluctant to change anything at this point, but I'm all for
it.  If I can help I will,  it might be a good idea to collate all
information that we can find in relation to dspam and qmail and simscan.
There are already a few links on the list.

Our SA currently is very effective, but I belief in improving where
possible. 

Craig
 

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From: Eric "Shubes" [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 26 October 2006 21:49
To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com
Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam on the toaster

Thanks Marco. We're (obviously) a long way from testing, but I'll let you
know when we need you.

Marco Cordeiro wrote:
> I'm a volunteer to test dspam on one of my servers running centos4.4 and
> send feedback to the list.
> I fact this server act only as mx secundary to some clients but,
> I can use as primary MX to a specific domain and test on it.
> 
> Eric, fell free to contact me.
> 
> []'s
> Marco Cordeiro
> 
> 
>   


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Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam on the toaster

[Eric \"Shubes\"]

Thanks Marco. We're (obviously) a long way from testing, but I'll let you
know when we need you.

Marco Cordeiro wrote:
> I'm a volunteer to test dspam on one of my servers running centos4.4 and
> send feedback to the list.
> I fact this server act only as mx secundary to some clients but,
> I can use as primary MX to a specific domain and test on it.
> 
> Eric, fell free to contact me.
> 
> []'s
> Marco Cordeiro
> 
> 
>   


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RE: [qmailtoaster] dspam on the toaster

[Marco Cordeiro]

I'm a volunteer to test dspam on one of my servers running centos4.4 and
send feedback to the list.
I fact this server act only as mx secundary to some clients but,
I can use as primary MX to a specific domain and test on it.

Eric, fell free to contact me.

[]'s
Marco Cordeiro


  

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From: Eric "Shubes" [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 2:59 PM
To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com
Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam on the toaster

Great.

I was hoping we wouldn't need to wait for Kyle's VMs before we get going on
this. Can we use CentOS4.4 and current toaster on a devel box?

I'd also like to see 1 or 2 other volunteers.

Before we jump right in, I'm thinking that we need to figure out how DS is
going to hook into the process.

We'll need to look closely at simscan (I'm already on that email list). It'd
be nice if we could keep simscan, and simply turn SA/DS on/off using
simcontrol file. Just a thought.

Also, I read something in the DS FAQs about easily integrating DSpam w/
clamav. I don't know anything about that yet.

Justice London wrote:
> Since I had to completely turn off bayes for now, I think this is a 
> good idea.  I'll help how I can.  I have a few free systems sitting 
> around I'll try testing, devel, etc. on if I have time.
> 
> Justice London
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Eric "Shubes" [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 10:41 AM
> To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com
> Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam on the toaster
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Citando [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>>
>>> Hi guys, i've read something about getting dspam on the toaster 
>>> instead spamassassin.
>>>
>>> I don't know how dspam works but, shouldn't this be a very traumatic
> change?
>>> I think a nice approach about this will be options.
>>>
>>> You can use spamassassin or dspam ( can be used BOTH ?)
>>>
>>> AFAIK. This is the same as clamav, you can use clamav or TrendMicro 
>>> (via trophie).
>>>
>>>
>>> This could let spamassassin and dspam fans be happy together :-P
>>>
>>> Just my 2 cents (euro-cents :-P)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I think that BOTH is the right way. I'm still not very convinced 
>> about
> DSPAM.
>> When I've the time I'm going to read the docs and setup a test 
>> server, but
> meantime I'm sticking to spamassassin.
>> But I think the best is to integrate DSPAM support into simscan.
>>
>> I've read a post about it somewhere, maybe on this list???.
>>
>>
>>
> 
> After reading the DSpam FAQs, I'm eager to try this out.
> 
> I'm particularly impressed with the DSpam's ability to adapt to 
> per-user situations. I've always believed that adaptive learning is 
> best applied at the user level, not at a domain or server level.
> 
> I also like DSpam's aspects of (claimed) high performance and low 
> administrative requirements. These philosophies fit well with the toaster.
> 
> I think that SA and DSpam should not be used together though. Per the 
> FAQs, "If you are using blacklists, other spam filters, or any other 
> form of training guides, you may be doing more harm than good. If the 
> tool is less accurate than DSPAM is, then you will be training DSPAM 
> to be just as inaccurate." As far as RBLs go, I'd be inclined to 
> continue using a small number of loose RBLs in order to save 
> resources. I'd like to see some test results before making a call on this
though.
> 
> So where do we go from here? I'd like to see a team of volunteers 
> formed to work on a DSpam-toaster project. I'd like to participate in some
fashion.
> Anyone else?
> 
> P.S. I'm still going to attempt to fix my SA bayes DB problem in the 
> meantime. It's urgency just dropped a bit though.
> 

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Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam on the toaster

[Eric \"Shubes\"]

Great.

I was hoping we wouldn't need to wait for Kyle's VMs before we get going on
this. Can we use CentOS4.4 and current toaster on a devel box?

I'd also like to see 1 or 2 other volunteers.

Before we jump right in, I'm thinking that we need to figure out how DS is
going to hook into the process.

We'll need to look closely at simscan (I'm already on that email list). It'd
be nice if we could keep simscan, and simply turn SA/DS on/off using
simcontrol file. Just a thought.

Also, I read something in the DS FAQs about easily integrating DSpam w/
clamav. I don't know anything about that yet.

Justice London wrote:
> Since I had to completely turn off bayes for now, I think this is a good
> idea.  I'll help how I can.  I have a few free systems sitting around I'll
> try testing, devel, etc. on if I have time.
> 
> Justice London
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Eric "Shubes" [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 10:41 AM
> To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com
> Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam on the toaster
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Citando [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>>
>>> Hi guys, i've read something about getting dspam on the toaster instead
>>> spamassassin.
>>>
>>> I don't know how dspam works but, shouldn't this be a very traumatic
> change?
>>> I think a nice approach about this will be options.
>>>
>>> You can use spamassassin or dspam ( can be used BOTH ?)
>>>
>>> AFAIK. This is the same as clamav, you can use clamav or TrendMicro (via
>>> trophie).
>>>
>>>
>>> This could let spamassassin and dspam fans be happy together :-P
>>>
>>> Just my 2 cents (euro-cents :-P)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I think that BOTH is the right way. I'm still not very convinced about
> DSPAM.
>> When I've the time I'm going to read the docs and setup a test server, but
> meantime I'm sticking to spamassassin.
>> But I think the best is to integrate DSPAM support into simscan.
>>
>> I've read a post about it somewhere, maybe on this list???.
>>
>>
>>
> 
> After reading the DSpam FAQs, I'm eager to try this out.
> 
> I'm particularly impressed with the DSpam's ability to adapt to per-user
> situations. I've always believed that adaptive learning is best applied at
> the user level, not at a domain or server level.
> 
> I also like DSpam's aspects of (claimed) high performance and low
> administrative requirements. These philosophies fit well with the toaster.
> 
> I think that SA and DSpam should not be used together though. Per the FAQs,
> "If you are using blacklists, other spam filters, or any other form of
> training guides, you may be doing more harm than good. If the tool is less
> accurate than DSPAM is, then you will be training DSPAM to be just as
> inaccurate." As far as RBLs go, I'd be inclined to continue using a small
> number of loose RBLs in order to save resources. I'd like to see some test
> results before making a call on this though.
> 
> So where do we go from here? I'd like to see a team of volunteers formed to
> work on a DSpam-toaster project. I'd like to participate in some fashion.
> Anyone else?
> 
> P.S. I'm still going to attempt to fix my SA bayes DB problem in the
> meantime. It's urgency just dropped a bit though.
> 

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RE: [qmailtoaster] dspam on the toaster

[Justice London]

Since I had to completely turn off bayes for now, I think this is a good
idea.  I'll help how I can.  I have a few free systems sitting around I'll
try testing, devel, etc. on if I have time.

Justice London

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From: Eric "Shubes" [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 10:41 AM
To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com
Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam on the toaster

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Citando [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> 
>> Hi guys, i've read something about getting dspam on the toaster instead
>> spamassassin.
>>
>> I don't know how dspam works but, shouldn't this be a very traumatic
change?
>>
>> I think a nice approach about this will be options.
>>
>> You can use spamassassin or dspam ( can be used BOTH ?)
>>
>> AFAIK. This is the same as clamav, you can use clamav or TrendMicro (via
>> trophie).
>>
>>
>> This could let spamassassin and dspam fans be happy together :-P
>>
>> Just my 2 cents (euro-cents :-P)
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> I think that BOTH is the right way. I'm still not very convinced about
DSPAM.
> 
> When I've the time I'm going to read the docs and setup a test server, but
meantime I'm sticking to spamassassin.
> 
> But I think the best is to integrate DSPAM support into simscan.
> 
> I've read a post about it somewhere, maybe on this list???.
> 
> 
> 

After reading the DSpam FAQs, I'm eager to try this out.

I'm particularly impressed with the DSpam's ability to adapt to per-user
situations. I've always believed that adaptive learning is best applied at
the user level, not at a domain or server level.

I also like DSpam's aspects of (claimed) high performance and low
administrative requirements. These philosophies fit well with the toaster.

I think that SA and DSpam should not be used together though. Per the FAQs,
"If you are using blacklists, other spam filters, or any other form of
training guides, you may be doing more harm than good. If the tool is less
accurate than DSPAM is, then you will be training DSPAM to be just as
inaccurate." As far as RBLs go, I'd be inclined to continue using a small
number of loose RBLs in order to save resources. I'd like to see some test
results before making a call on this though.

So where do we go from here? I'd like to see a team of volunteers formed to
work on a DSpam-toaster project. I'd like to participate in some fashion.
Anyone else?

P.S. I'm still going to attempt to fix my SA bayes DB problem in the
meantime. It's urgency just dropped a bit though.

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Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam on the toaster

[Eric \"Shubes\"]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Citando [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> 
>> Hi guys, i've read something about getting dspam on the toaster instead
>> spamassassin.
>>
>> I don't know how dspam works but, shouldn't this be a very traumatic change?
>>
>> I think a nice approach about this will be options.
>>
>> You can use spamassassin or dspam ( can be used BOTH ?)
>>
>> AFAIK. This is the same as clamav, you can use clamav or TrendMicro (via
>> trophie).
>>
>>
>> This could let spamassassin and dspam fans be happy together :-P
>>
>> Just my 2 cents (euro-cents :-P)
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> I think that BOTH is the right way. I'm still not very convinced about DSPAM.
> 
> When I've the time I'm going to read the docs and setup a test server, but 
> meantime I'm sticking to spamassassin.
> 
> But I think the best is to integrate DSPAM support into simscan.
> 
> I've read a post about it somewhere, maybe on this list???.
> 
> 
> 

After reading the DSpam FAQs, I'm eager to try this out.

I'm particularly impressed with the DSpam's ability to adapt to per-user
situations. I've always believed that adaptive learning is best applied at
the user level, not at a domain or server level.

I also like DSpam's aspects of (claimed) high performance and low
administrative requirements. These philosophies fit well with the toaster.

I think that SA and DSpam should not be used together though. Per the FAQs,
"If you are using blacklists, other spam filters, or any other form of
training guides, you may be doing more harm than good. If the tool is less
accurate than DSPAM is, then you will be training DSPAM to be just as
inaccurate." As far as RBLs go, I'd be inclined to continue using a small
number of loose RBLs in order to save resources. I'd like to see some test
results before making a call on this though.

So where do we go from here? I'd like to see a team of volunteers formed to
work on a DSpam-toaster project. I'd like to participate in some fashion.
Anyone else?

P.S. I'm still going to attempt to fix my SA bayes DB problem in the
meantime. It's urgency just dropped a bit though.

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Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam on the toaster

[zsoft]

Citando [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

> Hi guys, i've read something about getting dspam on the toaster instead
> spamassassin.
> 
> I don't know how dspam works but, shouldn't this be a very traumatic change?
> 
> I think a nice approach about this will be options.
> 
> You can use spamassassin or dspam ( can be used BOTH ?)
> 
> AFAIK. This is the same as clamav, you can use clamav or TrendMicro (via
> trophie).
> 
> 
> This could let spamassassin and dspam fans be happy together :-P
> 
> Just my 2 cents (euro-cents :-P)
> 
> 
> 
> 
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I think that BOTH is the right way. I'm still not very convinced about DSPAM.

When I've the time I'm going to read the docs and setup a test server, but 
meantime I'm sticking to spamassassin.

But I think the best is to integrate DSPAM support into simscan.

I've read a post about it somewhere, maybe on this list???.



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Re: [qmailtoaster] dspam on the toaster / TMDA

[Harry Zink]

On Oct 25, 2006, at 3:07 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


This could let spamassassin and dspam fans be happy together :-P


I'm not keen on DSPAM, as it appears to require too much work.

I'm a big fan of TMDA. (tmda.net)

whitelisting, that works.


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