Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
Great stuff Chris. I had just got the info on the mod from my dad yesterday, but looks like Geoff beat me to it. Will be interested to know if you manage to work out how to raise the bite point a little higher than from just off the floor. Mark -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
Geoff struggled with his scanner, so he sent me a photograph. Hopefully the attachment will upload with the message. Chris From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sir Lancelot Sent: 10 September 2018 10:44 To: Quantum Owners Group Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Hi Chris Good to hear you've made some progress but can you enlighten the rest of us on the pedal box modification that Geoff has or can Geoff post the details? On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 9:03:02 PM UTC+1, Chris Fairlie wrote: I’m glad to report some progress. Refitted the original low lift clutch and guess what. I have a bite point above the floor, albeit low. Happy Days. So I will try to find an exact replacement clutch kit. Also Geoff Ward provided a copy of the pedal box modification from the late build manual which is supposed to help too. Thanks for all you help and advice, especially Andy Heaton who helped me to take the engine out again this afternoon. Regards Chris From: quantu...@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantu...@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jim Hearne Sent: 07 September 2018 09:45 To: Quantum Owners Group > Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem I should be able to look it up tonight. Jim On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 10:10:14 PM UTC+1, Chris Fairlie wrote: Thanks Jim Any idea what part number the short arm is? I have found on with part number 88AU7515AA, are you able to identify this? Chris From: quantu...@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantu...@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jim Hearne Sent: 06 September 2018 22:05 To: Quantum Owners Group > Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem I thought i had mentioned this in a earlier reply but maybe i didn't. There were 2 lengths of clutch release lever used that match up with the 2 cable holes in the gearbox that you've seen. As you say, the shorter level will give you more movement on the release bearing for the same cable movement but at the expense of a heavier pedal. I'm not really sure why there were 2 lengths but i've always used the short lever. I guess it's possible that the long lever was for the low lift bearing which needed less movement. As has been mentioned, the lever can shear off where it is welded to the shaft, also the bolt can shear off where the release bearing bracket is attached inside the gearbox/ The later gearboxes had a different lever arrangment which attached to a separate shaft via splines and a pinch bolt. Jim Jim On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 8:29:22 PM UTC+1, Chris Fairlie wrote: Martin I hear what you are saying about the Quadrant, I want to ensure no easy fixes are left untried. Unfortunately it is too late to make more checks as the engine/gearbox are out again. However I can confirm he clutch pedal was going to the floor. Actually I was hitting the Fiberglass bulkhead as I removed all the carpet and sound deadening from behind the pedal just to eliminate that concern. My other thought is the gearbox has two holes for the clutch cable to pass through. I am starting to wonder if I can use the other hole which means tha cable will pull on the release arm nearer to the shaft so I get more degrees of turn for a given movement of the clutch pedal. I know this will lead to a heavier clutch pedal, I need to find something that will work. This would need a different, shorter, arm of some sort of mod to the existing one. While the gear linkage UJ is a little stiff. I had no problem selecting gears before taking the engine out and I can select gears easily when the engine isn’t running. So definitely the clutch is dragging even when the clutch pedal is fully depressed. Chris From: quantu...@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantu...@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Susan and Martin Scott Sent: 06 September 2018 13:37 To: quantu...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Hmm - Your thought that the thrust bearing may have been pressing (when it shouldn't) sounds correct. The movement of the cable will only be 10% more with the 55mm quadrant - Is it possible to check how much cable is pulled when the clutch is fully depressed, in order to get an idea whether the arm will nearly reach the limit (ie hit casing)? Does the pedal hit the floor, or could the arm move more if the pedal was able to move more (ie bigger quadrant will help by 10%) if that makes sense. Just trying to get an idea of the full picture... All knowledge gained before tackling the job is probably worthwhile. I went round in circles with replacing quadrant/cable until I realised the issue must be the clutch (also had the gearchange linkage in bits, and although that
Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
Hi Chris Good to hear you've made some progress but can you enlighten the rest of us on the pedal box modification that Geoff has or can Geoff post the details? On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 9:03:02 PM UTC+1, Chris Fairlie wrote: > > I’m glad to report some progress. Refitted the original low lift clutch > and guess what. I have a bite point above the floor, albeit low. Happy Days. > > > > So I will try to find an exact replacement clutch kit. Also Geoff Ward > provided a copy of the pedal box modification from the late build manual > which is supposed to help too. > > > > Thanks for all you help and advice, especially Andy Heaton who helped me > to take the engine out again this afternoon. > > > > Regards > > > > Chris > > > > *From:* quantu...@googlegroups.com [mailto: > quantu...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Jim Hearne > *Sent:* 07 September 2018 09:45 > *To:* Quantum Owners Group > > *Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem > > > > I should be able to look it up tonight. > > > > Jim > > > > On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 10:10:14 PM UTC+1, Chris Fairlie wrote: > > Thanks Jim > > > > Any idea what part number the short arm is? > > > > I have found on with part number 88AU7515AA, are you able to identify this? > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > *From:* quantu...@googlegroups.com [mailto: > quantu...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Jim Hearne > *Sent:* 06 September 2018 22:05 > *To:* Quantum Owners Group > > *Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem > > > > I thought i had mentioned this in a earlier reply but maybe i didn't. > > > > There were 2 lengths of clutch release lever used that match up with the 2 > cable holes in the gearbox that you've seen. > > As you say, the shorter level will give you more movement on the release > bearing for the same cable movement but at the expense of a heavier pedal. > > I'm not really sure why there were 2 lengths but i've always used the > short lever. > > I guess it's possible that the long lever was for the low lift bearing > which needed less movement. > > > > As has been mentioned, the lever can shear off where it is welded to the > shaft, also the bolt can shear off where the release bearing bracket is > attached inside the gearbox/ > > > > The later gearboxes had a different lever arrangment which attached to a > separate shaft via splines and a pinch bolt. > > > > Jim > > > > Jim > > > > On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 8:29:22 PM UTC+1, Chris Fairlie wrote: > > Martin > > > > I hear what you are saying about the Quadrant, I want to ensure no easy > fixes are left untried. > > > > Unfortunately it is too late to make more checks as the engine/gearbox are > out again. However I can confirm he clutch pedal was going to the floor. > Actually I was hitting the Fiberglass bulkhead as I removed all the carpet > and sound deadening from behind the pedal just to eliminate that concern. > > > > My other thought is the gearbox has two holes for the clutch cable to pass > through. I am starting to wonder if I can use the other hole which means > tha cable will pull on the release arm nearer to the shaft so I get more > degrees of turn for a given movement of the clutch pedal. I know this will > lead to a heavier clutch pedal, I need to find something that will work. > This would need a different, shorter, arm of some sort of mod to the > existing one. > > > > While the gear linkage UJ is a little stiff. I had no problem selecting > gears before taking the engine out and I can select gears easily when the > engine isn’t running. So definitely the clutch is dragging even when the > clutch pedal is fully depressed. > > > > Chris > > > > *From:* quantu...@googlegroups.com [mailto: > quantu...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Susan and Martin > Scott > *Sent:* 06 September 2018 13:37 > *To:* quantu...@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem > > > > Hmm - Your thought that the thrust bearing may have been pressing (when it > shouldn't) sounds correct. The movement of the cable will only be 10% more > with the 55mm quadrant - Is it possible to check how much cable is pulled > when the clutch is fully depressed, in order to get an idea whether the arm > will nearly reach the limit (ie hit casing)? Does the pedal hit the floor, > or could the arm
RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
I’m glad to report some progress. Refitted the original low lift clutch and guess what. I have a bite point above the floor, albeit low. Happy Days. So I will try to find an exact replacement clutch kit. Also Geoff Ward provided a copy of the pedal box modification from the late build manual which is supposed to help too. Thanks for all you help and advice, especially Andy Heaton who helped me to take the engine out again this afternoon. Regards Chris From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hearne Sent: 07 September 2018 09:45 To: Quantum Owners Group Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem I should be able to look it up tonight. Jim On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 10:10:14 PM UTC+1, Chris Fairlie wrote: Thanks Jim Any idea what part number the short arm is? I have found on with part number 88AU7515AA, are you able to identify this? Chris From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Jim Hearne Sent: 06 September 2018 22:05 To: Quantum Owners Group mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem I thought i had mentioned this in a earlier reply but maybe i didn't. There were 2 lengths of clutch release lever used that match up with the 2 cable holes in the gearbox that you've seen. As you say, the shorter level will give you more movement on the release bearing for the same cable movement but at the expense of a heavier pedal. I'm not really sure why there were 2 lengths but i've always used the short lever. I guess it's possible that the long lever was for the low lift bearing which needed less movement. As has been mentioned, the lever can shear off where it is welded to the shaft, also the bolt can shear off where the release bearing bracket is attached inside the gearbox/ The later gearboxes had a different lever arrangment which attached to a separate shaft via splines and a pinch bolt. Jim Jim On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 8:29:22 PM UTC+1, Chris Fairlie wrote: Martin I hear what you are saying about the Quadrant, I want to ensure no easy fixes are left untried. Unfortunately it is too late to make more checks as the engine/gearbox are out again. However I can confirm he clutch pedal was going to the floor. Actually I was hitting the Fiberglass bulkhead as I removed all the carpet and sound deadening from behind the pedal just to eliminate that concern. My other thought is the gearbox has two holes for the clutch cable to pass through. I am starting to wonder if I can use the other hole which means tha cable will pull on the release arm nearer to the shaft so I get more degrees of turn for a given movement of the clutch pedal. I know this will lead to a heavier clutch pedal, I need to find something that will work. This would need a different, shorter, arm of some sort of mod to the existing one. While the gear linkage UJ is a little stiff. I had no problem selecting gears before taking the engine out and I can select gears easily when the engine isn’t running. So definitely the clutch is dragging even when the clutch pedal is fully depressed. Chris From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Susan and Martin Scott Sent: 06 September 2018 13:37 To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Hmm - Your thought that the thrust bearing may have been pressing (when it shouldn't) sounds correct. The movement of the cable will only be 10% more with the 55mm quadrant - Is it possible to check how much cable is pulled when the clutch is fully depressed, in order to get an idea whether the arm will nearly reach the limit (ie hit casing)? Does the pedal hit the floor, or could the arm move more if the pedal was able to move more (ie bigger quadrant will help by 10%) if that makes sense. Just trying to get an idea of the full picture... All knowledge gained before tackling the job is probably worthwhile. I went round in circles with replacing quadrant/cable until I realised the issue must be the clutch (also had the gearchange linkage in bits, and although that wasn't the root of the problem it was too tight) Martin - Original Message - From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2018 1:16 PM S
Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
I should be able to look it up tonight. Jim On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 10:10:14 PM UTC+1, Chris Fairlie wrote: > > Thanks Jim > > > > Any idea what part number the short arm is? > > > > I have found on with part number 88AU7515AA, are you able to identify this? > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > *From:* quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto: > quantumowners@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Jim Hearne > *Sent:* 06 September 2018 22:05 > *To:* Quantum Owners Group > *Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem > > > > I thought i had mentioned this in a earlier reply but maybe i didn't. > > > > There were 2 lengths of clutch release lever used that match up with the 2 > cable holes in the gearbox that you've seen. > > As you say, the shorter level will give you more movement on the release > bearing for the same cable movement but at the expense of a heavier pedal. > > I'm not really sure why there were 2 lengths but i've always used the > short lever. > > I guess it's possible that the long lever was for the low lift bearing > which needed less movement. > > > > As has been mentioned, the lever can shear off where it is welded to the > shaft, also the bolt can shear off where the release bearing bracket is > attached inside the gearbox/ > > > > The later gearboxes had a different lever arrangment which attached to a > separate shaft via splines and a pinch bolt. > > > > Jim > > > > Jim > > > > On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 8:29:22 PM UTC+1, Chris Fairlie wrote: > > Martin > > > > I hear what you are saying about the Quadrant, I want to ensure no easy > fixes are left untried. > > > > Unfortunately it is too late to make more checks as the engine/gearbox are > out again. However I can confirm he clutch pedal was going to the floor. > Actually I was hitting the Fiberglass bulkhead as I removed all the carpet > and sound deadening from behind the pedal just to eliminate that concern. > > > > My other thought is the gearbox has two holes for the clutch cable to pass > through. I am starting to wonder if I can use the other hole which means > tha cable will pull on the release arm nearer to the shaft so I get more > degrees of turn for a given movement of the clutch pedal. I know this will > lead to a heavier clutch pedal, I need to find something that will work. > This would need a different, shorter, arm of some sort of mod to the > existing one. > > > > While the gear linkage UJ is a little stiff. I had no problem selecting > gears before taking the engine out and I can select gears easily when the > engine isn’t running. So definitely the clutch is dragging even when the > clutch pedal is fully depressed. > > > > Chris > > > > *From:* quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto: > quantumowners@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Susan and Martin Scott > *Sent:* 06 September 2018 13:37 > *To:* quantumowners@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem > > > > Hmm - Your thought that the thrust bearing may have been pressing (when it > shouldn't) sounds correct. The movement of the cable will only be 10% more > with the 55mm quadrant - Is it possible to check how much cable is pulled > when the clutch is fully depressed, in order to get an idea whether the arm > will nearly reach the limit (ie hit casing)? Does the pedal hit the floor, > or could the arm move more if the pedal was able to move more (ie bigger > quadrant will help by 10%) if that makes sense. Just trying to get an idea > of the full picture... All knowledge gained before tackling the job is > probably worthwhile. I went round in circles with replacing quadrant/cable > until I realised the issue must be the clutch (also had the gearchange > linkage in bits, and although that wasn't the root of the problem it was > too tight) > > Martin > > - Original Message - > > *From:* 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group > > > *To:* quantumowners@googlegroups.com > > *Sent:* Thursday, September 06, 2018 1:16 PM > > *Subject:* RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem > > > > Marin > > > > No slack at the gearbox or pedal end when depressing the clutch > > > > Chris > > > > *From:* quantumowners@googlegroups.com [ > mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Susan and Martin Scott > *Sent:* 05 September 2018 22:09 > *To:* quant
RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
Thanks Jim Any idea what part number the short arm is? I have found on with part number 88AU7515AA, are you able to identify this? Chris From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hearne Sent: 06 September 2018 22:05 To: Quantum Owners Group Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem I thought i had mentioned this in a earlier reply but maybe i didn't. There were 2 lengths of clutch release lever used that match up with the 2 cable holes in the gearbox that you've seen. As you say, the shorter level will give you more movement on the release bearing for the same cable movement but at the expense of a heavier pedal. I'm not really sure why there were 2 lengths but i've always used the short lever. I guess it's possible that the long lever was for the low lift bearing which needed less movement. As has been mentioned, the lever can shear off where it is welded to the shaft, also the bolt can shear off where the release bearing bracket is attached inside the gearbox/ The later gearboxes had a different lever arrangment which attached to a separate shaft via splines and a pinch bolt. Jim Jim On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 8:29:22 PM UTC+1, Chris Fairlie wrote: Martin I hear what you are saying about the Quadrant, I want to ensure no easy fixes are left untried. Unfortunately it is too late to make more checks as the engine/gearbox are out again. However I can confirm he clutch pedal was going to the floor. Actually I was hitting the Fiberglass bulkhead as I removed all the carpet and sound deadening from behind the pedal just to eliminate that concern. My other thought is the gearbox has two holes for the clutch cable to pass through. I am starting to wonder if I can use the other hole which means tha cable will pull on the release arm nearer to the shaft so I get more degrees of turn for a given movement of the clutch pedal. I know this will lead to a heavier clutch pedal, I need to find something that will work. This would need a different, shorter, arm of some sort of mod to the existing one. While the gear linkage UJ is a little stiff. I had no problem selecting gears before taking the engine out and I can select gears easily when the engine isn’t running. So definitely the clutch is dragging even when the clutch pedal is fully depressed. Chris From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Susan and Martin Scott Sent: 06 September 2018 13:37 To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Hmm - Your thought that the thrust bearing may have been pressing (when it shouldn't) sounds correct. The movement of the cable will only be 10% more with the 55mm quadrant - Is it possible to check how much cable is pulled when the clutch is fully depressed, in order to get an idea whether the arm will nearly reach the limit (ie hit casing)? Does the pedal hit the floor, or could the arm move more if the pedal was able to move more (ie bigger quadrant will help by 10%) if that makes sense. Just trying to get an idea of the full picture... All knowledge gained before tackling the job is probably worthwhile. I went round in circles with replacing quadrant/cable until I realised the issue must be the clutch (also had the gearchange linkage in bits, and although that wasn't the root of the problem it was too tight) Martin - Original Message - From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2018 1:16 PM Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Marin No slack at the gearbox or pedal end when depressing the clutch Chris From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Susan and Martin Scott Sent: 05 September 2018 22:09 To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Hi Chris, If I recall correctly the Escort quadrant is the 55mm black one. With an observer, is it possible to see if the arm starts moving when the pedal is depressed, or if there is a delay indicating slack being taken up. Could also 'twang' the cable at the arm to guage if there is any slack. Martin - Original Message - From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> To: quan
Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
I thought i had mentioned this in a earlier reply but maybe i didn't. There were 2 lengths of clutch release lever used that match up with the 2 cable holes in the gearbox that you've seen. As you say, the shorter level will give you more movement on the release bearing for the same cable movement but at the expense of a heavier pedal. I'm not really sure why there were 2 lengths but i've always used the short lever. I guess it's possible that the long lever was for the low lift bearing which needed less movement. As has been mentioned, the lever can shear off where it is welded to the shaft, also the bolt can shear off where the release bearing bracket is attached inside the gearbox/ The later gearboxes had a different lever arrangment which attached to a separate shaft via splines and a pinch bolt. Jim Jim On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 8:29:22 PM UTC+1, Chris Fairlie wrote: > > Martin > > > > I hear what you are saying about the Quadrant, I want to ensure no easy > fixes are left untried. > > > > Unfortunately it is too late to make more checks as the engine/gearbox are > out again. However I can confirm he clutch pedal was going to the floor. > Actually I was hitting the Fiberglass bulkhead as I removed all the carpet > and sound deadening from behind the pedal just to eliminate that concern. > > > > My other thought is the gearbox has two holes for the clutch cable to pass > through. I am starting to wonder if I can use the other hole which means > tha cable will pull on the release arm nearer to the shaft so I get more > degrees of turn for a given movement of the clutch pedal. I know this will > lead to a heavier clutch pedal, I need to find something that will work. > This would need a different, shorter, arm of some sort of mod to the > existing one. > > > > While the gear linkage UJ is a little stiff. I had no problem selecting > gears before taking the engine out and I can select gears easily when the > engine isn’t running. So definitely the clutch is dragging even when the > clutch pedal is fully depressed. > > > > Chris > > > > *From:* quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto: > quantumowners@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Susan and Martin Scott > *Sent:* 06 September 2018 13:37 > *To:* quantumowners@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem > > > > Hmm - Your thought that the thrust bearing may have been pressing (when it > shouldn't) sounds correct. The movement of the cable will only be 10% more > with the 55mm quadrant - Is it possible to check how much cable is pulled > when the clutch is fully depressed, in order to get an idea whether the arm > will nearly reach the limit (ie hit casing)? Does the pedal hit the floor, > or could the arm move more if the pedal was able to move more (ie bigger > quadrant will help by 10%) if that makes sense. Just trying to get an idea > of the full picture... All knowledge gained before tackling the job is > probably worthwhile. I went round in circles with replacing quadrant/cable > until I realised the issue must be the clutch (also had the gearchange > linkage in bits, and although that wasn't the root of the problem it was > too tight) > > Martin > > ----- Original Message - > > *From:* 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group > > > *To:* quantumowners@googlegroups.com > > *Sent:* Thursday, September 06, 2018 1:16 PM > > *Subject:* RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem > > > > Marin > > > > No slack at the gearbox or pedal end when depressing the clutch > > > > Chris > > > > *From:* quantumowners@googlegroups.com [ > mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Susan and Martin Scott > *Sent:* 05 September 2018 22:09 > *To:* quantumowners@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem > > > > Hi Chris, > > If I recall correctly the Escort quadrant is the 55mm black one. With an > observer, is it possible to see if the arm starts moving when the pedal is > depressed, or if there is a delay indicating slack being taken up. Could > also 'twang' the cable at the arm to guage if there is any slack. > > Martin > > - Original Message - > > *From:* 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group > > > *To:* quantumowners@googlegroups.com > > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 05, 2018 8:57 PM > > *Subject:* RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem > > > > Dave > > > > The car already had an
RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
Martin I hear what you are saying about the Quadrant, I want to ensure no easy fixes are left untried. Unfortunately it is too late to make more checks as the engine/gearbox are out again. However I can confirm he clutch pedal was going to the floor. Actually I was hitting the Fiberglass bulkhead as I removed all the carpet and sound deadening from behind the pedal just to eliminate that concern. My other thought is the gearbox has two holes for the clutch cable to pass through. I am starting to wonder if I can use the other hole which means tha cable will pull on the release arm nearer to the shaft so I get more degrees of turn for a given movement of the clutch pedal. I know this will lead to a heavier clutch pedal, I need to find something that will work. This would need a different, shorter, arm of some sort of mod to the existing one. While the gear linkage UJ is a little stiff. I had no problem selecting gears before taking the engine out and I can select gears easily when the engine isn’t running. So definitely the clutch is dragging even when the clutch pedal is fully depressed. Chris From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Susan and Martin Scott Sent: 06 September 2018 13:37 To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Hmm - Your thought that the thrust bearing may have been pressing (when it shouldn't) sounds correct. The movement of the cable will only be 10% more with the 55mm quadrant - Is it possible to check how much cable is pulled when the clutch is fully depressed, in order to get an idea whether the arm will nearly reach the limit (ie hit casing)? Does the pedal hit the floor, or could the arm move more if the pedal was able to move more (ie bigger quadrant will help by 10%) if that makes sense. Just trying to get an idea of the full picture... All knowledge gained before tackling the job is probably worthwhile. I went round in circles with replacing quadrant/cable until I realised the issue must be the clutch (also had the gearchange linkage in bits, and although that wasn't the root of the problem it was too tight) Martin - Original Message - From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2018 1:16 PM Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Marin No slack at the gearbox or pedal end when depressing the clutch Chris From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Susan and Martin Scott Sent: 05 September 2018 22:09 To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Hi Chris, If I recall correctly the Escort quadrant is the 55mm black one. With an observer, is it possible to see if the arm starts moving when the pedal is depressed, or if there is a delay indicating slack being taken up. Could also 'twang' the cable at the arm to guage if there is any slack. Martin - Original Message - From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 8:57 PM Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Dave The car already had an escort quadrant fitted. Martin I refitted the pedal box and fully depressed the clutch. The is still quite a bit of travel on the release arm. So looks like there is an issue with the adjuster and or cable. Regards Chris From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave English Sent: 04 September 2018 18:11 To: Quantum Owners Group mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> > Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Hi Chris I had a similar problem for years, the clutch bite point being too low. My fix was to modify the white quadrant to increase the radius to the cable and increase the amount the cable moved. Eventually I fitted a quadrant from a Mk3 Escort (81-86), Ford part number 78GB7L583AC. This was coloured black (I don't think that means much). This had a larger radius and solved the problem. The bite point is still on the low side but doesn't create an issue. Regards Dave English Q2-009 -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumown
RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
Hi Mark There was something in the back of mind about this, but I don’t have access to a later manual. Andy kindly lent me Lady Q’s manual, but it is a First Edition. If you can have a look I would be very greatful. Chris From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Sent: 06 September 2018 16:33 To: Quantum Owners Group Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Chris For reference the later build manual that came with my dad's car suggested a mod to the pedal box to do with the pawl release that might help. Can't be undone though, as involves cutting about 9mm off the release and subsequent stop. Haven't got the details at hand, but can sort at the weekend if you want. I have similar set-up and issue to that which Dave E has, where the bite point is very close to the floor. Which can be annoying at times, but you get used to it. I have messed about with the set-up and components but not achieved much. Mark -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
Hi This won't help, but Q2-002 has always had a low clutch bite, so I don't know if it is a 'feature' of the early Quantums. It does not drag or creep though. I can have a look for the build manual if you want to see if it has any modifications? Best regards James T www.bostin.photography Q2-002 -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
Chris For reference the later build manual that came with my dad's car suggested a mod to the pedal box to do with the pawl release that might help. Can't be undone though, as involves cutting about 9mm off the release and subsequent stop. Haven't got the details at hand, but can sort at the weekend if you want. I have similar set-up and issue to that which Dave E has, where the bite point is very close to the floor. Which can be annoying at times, but you get used to it. I have messed about with the set-up and components but not achieved much. Mark -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
Okay i will still pop over. I have a couple of other ideas but need to see the car. Lady Q was an early 2 +2 it'll be a good comparison with memory of the build. We can see if it will work for you. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. Original message From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group Date: 06/09/2018 13:14 (GMT+00:00) To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Thanks Andy I’m becoming reasonably sure that there isn’t enough travel in the clutch pedal to properly operate the clutch release arm. I suspect that someone previously managed to get the lever further back meaning that the leaver was pressing on the thrust bearing was permenantely (like someone riding the clutch). I have ordered a 55mm Escort quadrant, but won’t be here for Sunday. I will pull the engine back out to double check the clutch parts and the release arm for any defects. Regards Chris From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of andyheaton64 Sent: 05 September 2018 21:23 To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Chris I will be over around 2pm on Sunday after work 👌 Regards AndySent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. Original message From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group Date: 05/09/2018 20:57 (GMT+00:00) To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Dave The car already had an escort quadrant fitted. Martin I refitted the pedal box and fully depressed the clutch. The is still quite a bit of travel on the release arm. So looks like there is an issue with the adjuster and or cable. Regards Chris From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave English Sent: 04 September 2018 18:11 To: Quantum Owners Group Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Hi Chris I had a similar problem for years, the clutch bite point being too low. My fix was to modify the white quadrant to increase the radius to the cable and increase the amount the cable moved. Eventually I fitted a quadrant from a Mk3 Escort (81-86), Ford part number 78GB7L583AC. This was coloured black (I don't think that means much). This had a larger radius and solved the problem. The bite point is still on the low side but doesn't create an issue. Regards Dave EnglishQ2-009-- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.-- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the
Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
Hmm - Your thought that the thrust bearing may have been pressing (when it shouldn't) sounds correct. The movement of the cable will only be 10% more with the 55mm quadrant - Is it possible to check how much cable is pulled when the clutch is fully depressed, in order to get an idea whether the arm will nearly reach the limit (ie hit casing)? Does the pedal hit the floor, or could the arm move more if the pedal was able to move more (ie bigger quadrant will help by 10%) if that makes sense. Just trying to get an idea of the full picture... All knowledge gained before tackling the job is probably worthwhile. I went round in circles with replacing quadrant/cable until I realised the issue must be the clutch (also had the gearchange linkage in bits, and although that wasn't the root of the problem it was too tight) Martin - Original Message - From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2018 1:16 PM Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Marin No slack at the gearbox or pedal end when depressing the clutch Chris From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Susan and Martin Scott Sent: 05 September 2018 22:09 To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Hi Chris, If I recall correctly the Escort quadrant is the 55mm black one. With an observer, is it possible to see if the arm starts moving when the pedal is depressed, or if there is a delay indicating slack being taken up. Could also 'twang' the cable at the arm to guage if there is any slack. Martin - Original Message - From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 8:57 PM Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Dave The car already had an escort quadrant fitted. Martin I refitted the pedal box and fully depressed the clutch. The is still quite a bit of travel on the release arm. So looks like there is an issue with the adjuster and or cable. Regards Chris From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave English Sent: 04 September 2018 18:11 To: Quantum Owners Group Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Hi Chris I had a similar problem for years, the clutch bite point being too low. My fix was to modify the white quadrant to increase the radius to the cable and increase the amount the cable moved. Eventually I fitted a quadrant from a Mk3 Escort (81-86), Ford part number 78GB7L583AC. This was coloured black (I don't think that means much). This had a larger radius and solved the problem. The bite point is still on the low side but doesn't create an issue. Regards Dave English Q2-009 -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software. www.avg.com -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com
RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
Marin No slack at the gearbox or pedal end when depressing the clutch Chris From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Susan and Martin Scott Sent: 05 September 2018 22:09 To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Hi Chris, If I recall correctly the Escort quadrant is the 55mm black one. With an observer, is it possible to see if the arm starts moving when the pedal is depressed, or if there is a delay indicating slack being taken up. Could also 'twang' the cable at the arm to guage if there is any slack. Martin - Original Message - From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 8:57 PM Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Dave The car already had an escort quadrant fitted. Martin I refitted the pedal box and fully depressed the clutch. The is still quite a bit of travel on the release arm. So looks like there is an issue with the adjuster and or cable. Regards Chris From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave English Sent: 04 September 2018 18:11 To: Quantum Owners Group mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> > Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Hi Chris I had a similar problem for years, the clutch bite point being too low. My fix was to modify the white quadrant to increase the radius to the cable and increase the amount the cable moved. Eventually I fitted a quadrant from a Mk3 Escort (81-86), Ford part number 78GB7L583AC. This was coloured black (I don't think that means much). This had a larger radius and solved the problem. The bite point is still on the low side but doesn't create an issue. Regards Dave English Q2-009 -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. _ <https://www.avg.com/internet-security> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software. www.avg.com <https://www.avg.com/internet-security> -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . For more options, visit https://groups.google
RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
Thanks Andy I’m becoming reasonably sure that there isn’t enough travel in the clutch pedal to properly operate the clutch release arm. I suspect that someone previously managed to get the lever further back meaning that the leaver was pressing on the thrust bearing was permenantely (like someone riding the clutch). I have ordered a 55mm Escort quadrant, but won’t be here for Sunday. I will pull the engine back out to double check the clutch parts and the release arm for any defects. Regards Chris From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of andyheaton64 Sent: 05 September 2018 21:23 To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Chris I will be over around 2pm on Sunday after work 👌 Regards Andy Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. Original message From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> > Date: 05/09/2018 20:57 (GMT+00:00) To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Dave The car already had an escort quadrant fitted. Martin I refitted the pedal box and fully depressed the clutch. The is still quite a bit of travel on the release arm. So looks like there is an issue with the adjuster and or cable. Regards Chris From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave English Sent: 04 September 2018 18:11 To: Quantum Owners Group mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> > Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Hi Chris I had a similar problem for years, the clutch bite point being too low. My fix was to modify the white quadrant to increase the radius to the cable and increase the amount the cable moved. Eventually I fitted a quadrant from a Mk3 Escort (81-86), Ford part number 78GB7L583AC. This was coloured black (I don't think that means much). This had a larger radius and solved the problem. The bite point is still on the low side but doesn't create an issue. Regards Dave English Q2-009 -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . Fo
RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
Chris I will be over around 2pm on Sunday after work 👌 Regards Andy Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. Original message From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group Date: 05/09/2018 20:57 (GMT+00:00) To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Dave The car already had an escort quadrant fitted. Martin I refitted the pedal box and fully depressed the clutch. The is still quite a bit of travel on the release arm. So looks like there is an issue with the adjuster and or cable. Regards Chris From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave English Sent: 04 September 2018 18:11 To: Quantum Owners Group Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Hi Chris I had a similar problem for years, the clutch bite point being too low. My fix was to modify the white quadrant to increase the radius to the cable and increase the amount the cable moved. Eventually I fitted a quadrant from a Mk3 Escort (81-86), Ford part number 78GB7L583AC. This was coloured black (I don't think that means much). This had a larger radius and solved the problem. The bite point is still on the low side but doesn't create an issue. Regards Dave EnglishQ2-009-- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
Hi Chris, If I recall correctly the Escort quadrant is the 55mm black one. With an observer, is it possible to see if the arm starts moving when the pedal is depressed, or if there is a delay indicating slack being taken up. Could also 'twang' the cable at the arm to guage if there is any slack. Martin - Original Message - From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 8:57 PM Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Dave The car already had an escort quadrant fitted. Martin I refitted the pedal box and fully depressed the clutch. The is still quite a bit of travel on the release arm. So looks like there is an issue with the adjuster and or cable. Regards Chris From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave English Sent: 04 September 2018 18:11 To: Quantum Owners Group Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Hi Chris I had a similar problem for years, the clutch bite point being too low. My fix was to modify the white quadrant to increase the radius to the cable and increase the amount the cable moved. Eventually I fitted a quadrant from a Mk3 Escort (81-86), Ford part number 78GB7L583AC. This was coloured black (I don't think that means much). This had a larger radius and solved the problem. The bite point is still on the low side but doesn't create an issue. Regards Dave English Q2-009 -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software. www.avg.com -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused o
RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
Dave The car already had an escort quadrant fitted. Martin I refitted the pedal box and fully depressed the clutch. The is still quite a bit of travel on the release arm. So looks like there is an issue with the adjuster and or cable. Regards Chris From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave English Sent: 04 September 2018 18:11 To: Quantum Owners Group Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Hi Chris I had a similar problem for years, the clutch bite point being too low. My fix was to modify the white quadrant to increase the radius to the cable and increase the amount the cable moved. Eventually I fitted a quadrant from a Mk3 Escort (81-86), Ford part number 78GB7L583AC. This was coloured black (I don't think that means much). This had a larger radius and solved the problem. The bite point is still on the low side but doesn't create an issue. Regards Dave English Q2-009 -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
Hi Chris I had a similar problem for years, the clutch bite point being too low. My fix was to modify the white quadrant to increase the radius to the cable and increase the amount the cable moved. Eventually I fitted a quadrant from a Mk3 Escort (81-86), Ford part number 78GB7L583AC. This was coloured black (I don't think that means much). This had a larger radius and solved the problem. The bite point is still on the low side but doesn't create an issue. Regards Dave English Q2-009 -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
Chris, I don't know what the state of completeness is at the moment, but are you able to put a piece of wood between the clutch pedal and seat frame in order to fully depress the pedal (or easier still, use an assistant)? if the release arm/lever (whatever we wish to call it) where the cable connects has no more room for movement then that eliminates the quadrant, pedal or cable as being culpable. Martin - Original Message - From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 2:25 PM Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Andy Responses below. From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of andyheaton64 Sent: 03 September 2018 23:11 To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Just trawling my memory bank as Q001 is a prototype. Is there any remarks I have written in the build manual from Lady Q about mods to the pedal box? [CF] Nothing in Lady Q’s build manual Does there happen to be any history that Rob at qoc can put his hands on or do you have a copy of the file ? [CF] There was nothing in the Quantum file about the build, only sales invoices for the car and parts supplied to various owners. Where pressure has been put on the clutch, the Fulcrum arm to the gearbox release bearing isn't fractured is it? [CF] Didn’t look like it, but I cannot check unless I take the engine out again and split the gearbox off which is looking increasingly likely. I am just wondering whether the pedal box needs moving away from the bulk head to give more clearance? Or would that have the opposite effect ? [CF] I tried lengthening the cable sheath by adding a jubilee clip at the gearbox end. It made no difference as the clutch pawl still didn’t engage with the quadrant. Does the gear linkage need adjusting ? [CF] I don’t think so as I can select any gear with the engine off and can get in to 3rd, 4th and 5th gears with the engine running, but the clutch is dragging so I get a sort of ‘automatic gearbox creep’ Did both clutches look the same ? [CF] Yes. I will trawl through the history files and see if I can find any info for you Chris [CF] Thanks P.s I can pop over Sunday afternoon when i finish work if your about ? [CF] That would be very much appreciated. Regards Andy Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. Original message From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group Date: 03/09/2018 22:27 (GMT+00:00) To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem I bought/fitted a complete 3 part Valeo clutch kit. I have to admit I am close to taking thee engine/gearbox out again to investigate further. I may refit the old clutch kit to see if there is similar free movement. From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Susan and Martin Scott Sent: 03 September 2018 22:11 To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem That's a good question, that I don't know the answer to as I've got the pedal but haven't got around to fitting it! Did you buy your cluitch as a complete kit? It could be a mismatch on parts as Jim has alluded to. My clutch has a disengagement problem (having worked ok for some 20k miles) - I suspect the the 'fingers' on the clutch plate have lost their strength. We had the same problem 20 years ago on Ford Escort, and replacing the complete clutch cured it. We also had the same problem on a Fiat Grande Punto we bought from new, after only 8k milesand it was replaced under warranty. Other clutches have lasted in excess of 100k miles. Anyway, on my Q I replaced the quadrant with a larger (55mm?) diameter one and then a new cable - I then looked at what was happening at the clutch lever end, and it became clear the quadrant or cable couldn't be the issue because when the pedal was fully depressed the clutch arm was only about 2mm from hitting the gearbox casing. I'll have to get around to changing the clutch, but must get the body painting finished (weather permitting). Martin - Original Message - From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 8:15 PM Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Thanks Chris. After Jim’s post I removed a layer of carpet and some sound deadening material from behind the clutch pedal. That made no difference. So I managed to get th
RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
Thanks Chris The bushes look to be in good condition. Chris From: chris.quant via Quantum Owners Group [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] Sent: 04 September 2018 09:57 To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem I’ve just remembered my pedal pivot bushings have worn out and gone oval, creating more play in the pedal. Could this also be a cause of your problem? Chris G From: Jim Hearne <mailto:j...@quantums.info> Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 9:22 AM To: Quantum Owners Group <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem These are the details for manual clutch adjust modification but it's for a Mk3 Fiesta. I have done it on my 2+2 but i had to modify the pedal to get it to match the other pedals. Somewhere i have details on the Escort Quadrent mods. Jim On Monday, September 3, 2018 at 4:27:38 PM UTC+1, Susan and Martin Scott wrote: Hi Chris, The complete clutch kit I used was part FINIS #5024280 It is possible to use a manual adjust clutch off an Escort part #1029012 Martin Scott - Original Message - From: chris.quant via Quantum Owners Group <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem I’m pretty sure the recommended quadrant colour was white. Chris G From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2018 9:44 PM To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Thanks Jim Just had a look and there was a flattened vertical lin in the carpet behind the pedal, I removed the carpet and sound deadening behind it. I managed to lift the pedal and pull the cable out fully, but cannot get the pawl to engage with the quadrant. Looks like I need to take the pedal box out to investigate further. Wasn’t there a recommendation to replace the Fiesta quadrant with a different one, perhaps Escort. I think there was a specific coloured Ford item, but I can’t remember the details. Chris From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Jim Hearne Sent: 02 September 2018 21:11 To: Quantum Owners Group mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> > Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Did you reset the ratchet on the quadrant after you fitted the new clutch ? Lift the pedal up against it's stop with a bit of wood or a second person (this releases the ratchet) and then pull the clutch cable inner out as far as it will go in the engine bay. Release the pedal and then press it a few times, you should hear the ratchet reset. You can't mix low lift and normal lift clutch parts but since you replaced as a set it should be ok. I remember an issue with clutch ratchet not working correctly if you had too much carpet behind the pedal which meant it couldn't be pressed down far enough for the ratchet to be triggered. Jim On Sunday, September 2, 2018 at 7:49:05 PM UTC+1, Chris Fairlie wrote: I thought I had an issue with my 2+2 clutch as the bite point was rather high and it would start to slip as soon as I started to press the clutch pedal. I bit the bullet and took the engine out only to fine the clutch plate wasn’t very worn, but it looks like someone has been riding the clutch as the splines are badly scored by the thrust bearing and some blueing. Not sure it is relevant, but the old clutch was a Motorcraft unit with the friction plate marked ‘Low Lift’ and a white quadrant adjuster fitted. I fitted brand new 3 part Valeo clutch kit hoping this would solve my issues. Wrong! Now the clutch cannot be fully disengaged so I cannot get it into gear. The bite point is about 10mm off the floor. I am using the same clutch cable and the quadrant is untouched. Any ideas please? Thanks Chris Fairlie -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, w
RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
Thanks Jum Wow, as I feared, I would really need to find a car in a scrap yard and grab a matched set of bits. Regards Chris From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hearne Sent: 04 September 2018 09:22 To: Quantum Owners Group Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem These are the details for manual clutch adjust modification but it's for a Mk3 Fiesta. I have done it on my 2+2 but i had to modify the pedal to get it to match the other pedals. Somewhere i have details on the Escort Quadrent mods. Jim On Monday, September 3, 2018 at 4:27:38 PM UTC+1, Susan and Martin Scott wrote: Hi Chris, The complete clutch kit I used was part FINIS #5024280 It is possible to use a manual adjust clutch off an Escort part #1029012 Martin Scott - Original Message - From: chris.quant via Quantum Owners Group <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem I’m pretty sure the recommended quadrant colour was white. Chris G From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2018 9:44 PM To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Thanks Jim Just had a look and there was a flattened vertical lin in the carpet behind the pedal, I removed the carpet and sound deadening behind it. I managed to lift the pedal and pull the cable out fully, but cannot get the pawl to engage with the quadrant. Looks like I need to take the pedal box out to investigate further. Wasn’t there a recommendation to replace the Fiesta quadrant with a different one, perhaps Escort. I think there was a specific coloured Ford item, but I can’t remember the details. Chris From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Jim Hearne Sent: 02 September 2018 21:11 To: Quantum Owners Group mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> > Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Did you reset the ratchet on the quadrant after you fitted the new clutch ? Lift the pedal up against it's stop with a bit of wood or a second person (this releases the ratchet) and then pull the clutch cable inner out as far as it will go in the engine bay. Release the pedal and then press it a few times, you should hear the ratchet reset. You can't mix low lift and normal lift clutch parts but since you replaced as a set it should be ok. I remember an issue with clutch ratchet not working correctly if you had too much carpet behind the pedal which meant it couldn't be pressed down far enough for the ratchet to be triggered. Jim On Sunday, September 2, 2018 at 7:49:05 PM UTC+1, Chris Fairlie wrote: I thought I had an issue with my 2+2 clutch as the bite point was rather high and it would start to slip as soon as I started to press the clutch pedal. I bit the bullet and took the engine out only to fine the clutch plate wasn’t very worn, but it looks like someone has been riding the clutch as the splines are badly scored by the thrust bearing and some blueing. Not sure it is relevant, but the old clutch was a Motorcraft unit with the friction plate marked ‘Low Lift’ and a white quadrant adjuster fitted. I fitted brand new 3 part Valeo clutch kit hoping this would solve my issues. Wrong! Now the clutch cannot be fully disengaged so I cannot get it into gear. The bite point is about 10mm off the floor. I am using the same clutch cable and the quadrant is untouched. Any ideas please? Thanks Chris Fairlie -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the i
RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
Andy Responses below. From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of andyheaton64 Sent: 03 September 2018 23:11 To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Just trawling my memory bank as Q001 is a prototype. Is there any remarks I have written in the build manual from Lady Q about mods to the pedal box? [CF] Nothing in Lady Q’s build manual Does there happen to be any history that Rob at qoc can put his hands on or do you have a copy of the file ? [CF] There was nothing in the Quantum file about the build, only sales invoices for the car and parts supplied to various owners. Where pressure has been put on the clutch, the Fulcrum arm to the gearbox release bearing isn't fractured is it? [CF] Didn’t look like it, but I cannot check unless I take the engine out again and split the gearbox off which is looking increasingly likely. I am just wondering whether the pedal box needs moving away from the bulk head to give more clearance? Or would that have the opposite effect ? [CF] I tried lengthening the cable sheath by adding a jubilee clip at the gearbox end. It made no difference as the clutch pawl still didn’t engage with the quadrant. Does the gear linkage need adjusting ? [CF] I don’t think so as I can select any gear with the engine off and can get in to 3rd, 4th and 5th gears with the engine running, but the clutch is dragging so I get a sort of ‘automatic gearbox creep’ Did both clutches look the same ? [CF] Yes. I will trawl through the history files and see if I can find any info for you Chris [CF] Thanks P.s I can pop over Sunday afternoon when i finish work if your about ? [CF] That would be very much appreciated. Regards Andy Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. Original message From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> > Date: 03/09/2018 22:27 (GMT+00:00) To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem I bought/fitted a complete 3 part Valeo clutch kit. I have to admit I am close to taking thee engine/gearbox out again to investigate further. I may refit the old clutch kit to see if there is similar free movement. From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Susan and Martin Scott Sent: 03 September 2018 22:11 To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem That's a good question, that I don't know the answer to as I've got the pedal but haven't got around to fitting it! Did you buy your cluitch as a complete kit? It could be a mismatch on parts as Jim has alluded to. My clutch has a disengagement problem (having worked ok for some 20k miles) - I suspect the the 'fingers' on the clutch plate have lost their strength. We had the same problem 20 years ago on Ford Escort, and replacing the complete clutch cured it. We also had the same problem on a Fiat Grande Punto we bought from new, after only 8k milesand it was replaced under warranty. Other clutches have lasted in excess of 100k miles. Anyway, on my Q I replaced the quadrant with a larger (55mm?) diameter one and then a new cable - I then looked at what was happening at the clutch lever end, and it became clear the quadrant or cable couldn't be the issue because when the pedal was fully depressed the clutch arm was only about 2mm from hitting the gearbox casing. I'll have to get around to changing the clutch, but must get the body painting finished (weather permitting). Martin - Original Message - From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 8:15 PM Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Thanks Chris. After Jim’s post I removed a layer of carpet and some sound deadening material from behind the clutch pedal. That made no difference. So I managed to get the pedal box out tonight and the quadrant works fine on the bench, but wasn’t in the car. Is it a white 50mm quadrant part number 88AB7L353AA made in 1995 so someone changed it out well after the car was built. Sill cannot understand why it won’t work now. Martin This is an interesting thought, does the manual adjust pedal need a specific quadrant? Regards Chris From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroup
Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
I’ve just remembered my pedal pivot bushings have worn out and gone oval, creating more play in the pedal. Could this also be a cause of your problem? Chris G From: Jim Hearne Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 9:22 AM To: Quantum Owners Group Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem These are the details for manual clutch adjust modification but it's for a Mk3 Fiesta. I have done it on my 2+2 but i had to modify the pedal to get it to match the other pedals. Somewhere i have details on the Escort Quadrent mods. Jim On Monday, September 3, 2018 at 4:27:38 PM UTC+1, Susan and Martin Scott wrote: Hi Chris, The complete clutch kit I used was part FINIS #5024280 It is possible to use a manual adjust clutch off an Escort part #1029012 Martin Scott - Original Message - From: chris.quant via Quantum Owners Group To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem I’m pretty sure the recommended quadrant colour was white. Chris G From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2018 9:44 PM To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Thanks Jim Just had a look and there was a flattened vertical lin in the carpet behind the pedal, I removed the carpet and sound deadening behind it. I managed to lift the pedal and pull the cable out fully, but cannot get the pawl to engage with the quadrant. Looks like I need to take the pedal box out to investigate further. Wasn’t there a recommendation to replace the Fiesta quadrant with a different one, perhaps Escort. I think there was a specific coloured Ford item, but I can’t remember the details. Chris From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hearne Sent: 02 September 2018 21:11 To: Quantum Owners Group Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Did you reset the ratchet on the quadrant after you fitted the new clutch ? Lift the pedal up against it's stop with a bit of wood or a second person (this releases the ratchet) and then pull the clutch cable inner out as far as it will go in the engine bay. Release the pedal and then press it a few times, you should hear the ratchet reset. You can't mix low lift and normal lift clutch parts but since you replaced as a set it should be ok. I remember an issue with clutch ratchet not working correctly if you had too much carpet behind the pedal which meant it couldn't be pressed down far enough for the ratchet to be triggered. Jim On Sunday, September 2, 2018 at 7:49:05 PM UTC+1, Chris Fairlie wrote: I thought I had an issue with my 2+2 clutch as the bite point was rather high and it would start to slip as soon as I started to press the clutch pedal. I bit the bullet and took the engine out only to fine the clutch plate wasn’t very worn, but it looks like someone has been riding the clutch as the splines are badly scored by the thrust bearing and some blueing. Not sure it is relevant, but the old clutch was a Motorcraft unit with the friction plate marked ‘Low Lift’ and a white quadrant adjuster fitted. I fitted brand new 3 part Valeo clutch kit hoping this would solve my issues. Wrong! Now the clutch cannot be fully disengaged so I cannot get it into gear. The bite point is about 10mm off the floor. I am using the same clutch cable and the quadrant is untouched. Any ideas please? Thanks Chris Fairlie -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit
Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
There is certainly a fair bit of free play without the cable attached, possibly as much as 25mm. Jim On Monday, September 3, 2018 at 9:41:25 PM UTC+1, Chris Fairlie wrote: > > Another question, is it normal that the clutch release arm has 25mm of > free movement before the thrust bearing touches the back of the splines? > > > > *From:* 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group [mailto: > quantumowners@googlegroups.com] > *Sent:* 03 September 2018 20:16 > *To:* quantumowners@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem > > > > Thanks Chris. > > > > After Jim’s post I removed a layer of carpet and some sound deadening > material from behind the clutch pedal. That made no difference. So I > managed to get the pedal box out tonight and the quadrant works fine on the > bench, but wasn’t in the car. Is it a white 50mm quadrant part number > 88AB7L353AA made in 1995 so someone changed it out well after the car was > built. Sill cannot understand why it won’t work now. > > > > Martin > > > > This is an interesting thought, does the manual adjust pedal need a > specific quadrant? > > > > Regards > > > > Chris > > > > *From:* quantumowners@googlegroups.com [ > mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Susan and Martin Scott > *Sent:* 03 September 2018 16:28 > *To:* quantumowners@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem > > > > Hi Chris, > > The complete clutch kit I used was part FINIS #5024280 > > It is possible to use a manual adjust clutch off an Escort part #1029012 > > Martin Scott > > - Original Message - > > *From:* chris.quant via Quantum Owners Group > > > *To:* quantumowners@googlegroups.com > > *Sent:* Monday, September 03, 2018 3:28 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem > > > > I’m pretty sure the recommended quadrant colour was white. > > > > Chris G > > > > *From:* 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group > > > *Sent:* Sunday, September 2, 2018 9:44 PM > > *To:* quantumowners@googlegroups.com > > *Subject:* RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem > > > > Thanks Jim > > > > Just had a look and there was a flattened vertical lin in the carpet > behind the pedal, I removed the carpet and sound deadening behind it. I > managed to lift the pedal and pull the cable out fully, but cannot get the > pawl to engage with the quadrant. > > > > Looks like I need to take the pedal box out to investigate further. > > > > Wasn’t there a recommendation to replace the Fiesta quadrant with a > different one, perhaps Escort. I think there was a specific coloured Ford > item, but I can’t remember the details. > > > > Chris > > > > *From:* quantumowners@googlegroups.com [ > mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Jim Hearne > *Sent:* 02 September 2018 21:11 > *To:* Quantum Owners Group > *Subject:* [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem > > > > Did you reset the ratchet on the quadrant after you fitted the new clutch ? > Lift the pedal up against it's stop with a bit of wood or a second person > (this releases the ratchet) and then pull the clutch cable inner out as far > as it will go in the engine bay. > Release the pedal and then press it a few times, you should hear the > ratchet reset. > > You can't mix low lift and normal lift clutch parts but since you replaced > as a set it should be ok. > > I remember an issue with clutch ratchet not working correctly if you had > too much carpet behind the pedal which meant it couldn't be pressed down > far enough for the ratchet to be triggered. > > Jim > > On Sunday, September 2, 2018 at 7:49:05 PM UTC+1, Chris Fairlie wrote: > > > > I thought I had an issue with my 2+2 clutch as the bite point was rather > high and it would start to slip as soon as I started to press the clutch > pedal. I bit the bullet and took the engine out only to fine the clutch > plate wasn’t very worn, but it looks like someone has been riding the > clutch as the splines are badly scored by the thrust bearing and some > blueing. Not sure it is relevant, but the old clutch was a Motorcraft unit > with the friction plate marked ‘Low Lift’ and a white quadrant adjuster > fitted. > > > > I fitted brand new 3 part Valeo clutch kit hoping this would solve my > issues. Wrong! > > > &g
RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
Just trawling my memory bank as Q001 is a prototype. Is there any remarks I have written in the build manual from Lady Q about mods to the pedal box? Does there happen to be any history that Rob at qoc can put his hands on or do you have a copy of the file ? Where pressure has been put on the clutch, the Fulcrum arm to the gearbox release bearing isn't fractured is it? I am just wondering whether the pedal box needs moving away from the bulk head to give more clearance? Or would that have the opposite effect ? Does the gear linkage need adjusting ? Did both clutches look the same ? I will trawl through the history files and see if I can find any info for you Chris P.s I can pop over Sunday afternoon when i finish work if your about ? Regards Andy Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. Original message From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group Date: 03/09/2018 22:27 (GMT+00:00) To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem I bought/fitted a complete 3 part Valeo clutch kit. I have to admit I am close to taking thee engine/gearbox out again to investigate further. I may refit the old clutch kit to see if there is similar free movement. From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Susan and Martin Scott Sent: 03 September 2018 22:11 To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem That's a good question, that I don't know the answer to as I've got the pedal but haven't got around to fitting it! Did you buy your cluitch as a complete kit? It could be a mismatch on parts as Jim has alluded to.My clutch has a disengagement problem (having worked ok for some 20k miles) - I suspect the the 'fingers' on the clutch plate have lost their strength. We had the same problem 20 years ago on Ford Escort, and replacing the complete clutch cured it. We also had the same problem on a Fiat Grande Punto we bought from new, after only 8k milesand it was replaced under warranty. Other clutches have lasted in excess of 100k miles. Anyway, on my Q I replaced the quadrant with a larger (55mm?) diameter one and then a new cable - I then looked at what was happening at the clutch lever end, and it became clear the quadrant or cable couldn't be the issue because when the pedal was fully depressed the clutch arm was only about 2mm from hitting the gearbox casing. I'll have to get around to changing the clutch, but must get the body painting finished (weather permitting).Martin- Original Message - From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 8:15 PMSubject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Thanks Chris. After Jim’s post I removed a layer of carpet and some sound deadening material from behind the clutch pedal. That made no difference. So I managed to get the pedal box out tonight and the quadrant works fine on the bench, but wasn’t in the car. Is it a white 50mm quadrant part number 88AB7L353AA made in 1995 so someone changed it out well after the car was built. Sill cannot understand why it won’t work now. Martin This is an interesting thought, does the manual adjust pedal need a specific quadrant? Regards Chris From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Susan and Martin Scott Sent: 03 September 2018 16:28 To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Hi Chris,The complete clutch kit I used was part FINIS #5024280It is possible to use a manual adjust clutch off an Escort part #1029012Martin Scott- Original Message - From: chris.quant via Quantum Owners Group To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 3:28 PMSubject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem I’m pretty sure the recommended quadrant colour was white. Chris G From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2018 9:44 PMTo: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Thanks Jim Just had a look and there was a flattened vertical lin in the carpet behind the pedal, I removed the carpet and sound deadening behind it. I managed to lift the pedal and pull the cable out fully, but cannot get the pawl to engage with the quadrant. Looks like I need to take the pedal box out to investigate further. Wasn’t there a recommendation to replace the Fiesta quadrant with a different one, perhaps Escort. I think there was a specific coloured Ford item, but I can’t remember the details. Chris From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hearne Sent: 02 September 2018 21:
Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
Good question, ISTR that the clutch arm appeared to be against the bearing with cable etc connected, but if I grasped it I could move it the other way manually. Martin - Original Message - From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 9:41 PM Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Another question, is it normal that the clutch release arm has 25mm of free movement before the thrust bearing touches the back of the splines? From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] Sent: 03 September 2018 20:16 To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Thanks Chris. After Jim’s post I removed a layer of carpet and some sound deadening material from behind the clutch pedal. That made no difference. So I managed to get the pedal box out tonight and the quadrant works fine on the bench, but wasn’t in the car. Is it a white 50mm quadrant part number 88AB7L353AA made in 1995 so someone changed it out well after the car was built. Sill cannot understand why it won’t work now. Martin This is an interesting thought, does the manual adjust pedal need a specific quadrant? Regards Chris From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Susan and Martin Scott Sent: 03 September 2018 16:28 To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Hi Chris, The complete clutch kit I used was part FINIS #5024280 It is possible to use a manual adjust clutch off an Escort part #1029012 Martin Scott - Original Message - From: chris.quant via Quantum Owners Group To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem I’m pretty sure the recommended quadrant colour was white. Chris G From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2018 9:44 PM To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Thanks Jim Just had a look and there was a flattened vertical lin in the carpet behind the pedal, I removed the carpet and sound deadening behind it. I managed to lift the pedal and pull the cable out fully, but cannot get the pawl to engage with the quadrant. Looks like I need to take the pedal box out to investigate further. Wasn’t there a recommendation to replace the Fiesta quadrant with a different one, perhaps Escort. I think there was a specific coloured Ford item, but I can’t remember the details. Chris From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hearne Sent: 02 September 2018 21:11 To: Quantum Owners Group Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Did you reset the ratchet on the quadrant after you fitted the new clutch ? Lift the pedal up against it's stop with a bit of wood or a second person (this releases the ratchet) and then pull the clutch cable inner out as far as it will go in the engine bay. Release the pedal and then press it a few times, you should hear the ratchet reset. You can't mix low lift and normal lift clutch parts but since you replaced as a set it should be ok. I remember an issue with clutch ratchet not working correctly if you had too much carpet behind the pedal which meant it couldn't be pressed down far enough for the ratchet to be triggered. Jim On Sunday, September 2, 2018 at 7:49:05 PM UTC+1, Chris Fairlie wrote: I thought I had an issue with my 2+2 clutch as the bite point was rather high and it would start to slip as soon as I started to press the clutch pedal. I bit the bullet and took the engine out only to fine the clutch plate wasn’t very worn, but it looks like someone has been riding the clutch as the splines are badly scored by the thrust bearing and some blueing. Not sure it is relevant, but the old clutch was a Motorcraft unit with the friction plate marked ‘Low Lift’ and a white quadrant adjuster fitted. I fitted brand new 3 part Valeo clutch kit hoping this would solve my issues. Wrong! Now the clutch cannot be fully disengaged so I cannot get it into gear. The bite point is about 10mm off the floor. I am using the same clutch cable and the quadrant is untouched. Any ideas please? Thanks Chris Fairlie -- -- You received this message because you
RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
I bought/fitted a complete 3 part Valeo clutch kit. I have to admit I am close to taking thee engine/gearbox out again to investigate further. I may refit the old clutch kit to see if there is similar free movement. From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Susan and Martin Scott Sent: 03 September 2018 22:11 To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem That's a good question, that I don't know the answer to as I've got the pedal but haven't got around to fitting it! Did you buy your cluitch as a complete kit? It could be a mismatch on parts as Jim has alluded to. My clutch has a disengagement problem (having worked ok for some 20k miles) - I suspect the the 'fingers' on the clutch plate have lost their strength. We had the same problem 20 years ago on Ford Escort, and replacing the complete clutch cured it. We also had the same problem on a Fiat Grande Punto we bought from new, after only 8k milesand it was replaced under warranty. Other clutches have lasted in excess of 100k miles. Anyway, on my Q I replaced the quadrant with a larger (55mm?) diameter one and then a new cable - I then looked at what was happening at the clutch lever end, and it became clear the quadrant or cable couldn't be the issue because when the pedal was fully depressed the clutch arm was only about 2mm from hitting the gearbox casing. I'll have to get around to changing the clutch, but must get the body painting finished (weather permitting). Martin - Original Message - From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 8:15 PM Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Thanks Chris. After Jim’s post I removed a layer of carpet and some sound deadening material from behind the clutch pedal. That made no difference. So I managed to get the pedal box out tonight and the quadrant works fine on the bench, but wasn’t in the car. Is it a white 50mm quadrant part number 88AB7L353AA made in 1995 so someone changed it out well after the car was built. Sill cannot understand why it won’t work now. Martin This is an interesting thought, does the manual adjust pedal need a specific quadrant? Regards Chris From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Susan and Martin Scott Sent: 03 September 2018 16:28 To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Hi Chris, The complete clutch kit I used was part FINIS #5024280 It is possible to use a manual adjust clutch off an Escort part #1029012 Martin Scott - Original Message - From: chris.quant via Quantum Owners Group <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem I’m pretty sure the recommended quadrant colour was white. Chris G From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2018 9:44 PM To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Thanks Jim Just had a look and there was a flattened vertical lin in the carpet behind the pedal, I removed the carpet and sound deadening behind it. I managed to lift the pedal and pull the cable out fully, but cannot get the pawl to engage with the quadrant. Looks like I need to take the pedal box out to investigate further. Wasn’t there a recommendation to replace the Fiesta quadrant with a different one, perhaps Escort. I think there was a specific coloured Ford item, but I can’t remember the details. Chris From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hearne Sent: 02 September 2018 21:11 To: Quantum Owners Group mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> > Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Did you reset the ratchet on the quadrant after you fitted the new clutch ? Lift the pedal up against it's stop with a bit of wood or a second person (this releases the ratchet) and then pull the clutch cable inner out as far as it will go in the engine bay. Release the pedal and then press it a few times, you should hear the ratchet reset. You can't mix low lift a
Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
That's a good question, that I don't know the answer to as I've got the pedal but haven't got around to fitting it! Did you buy your cluitch as a complete kit? It could be a mismatch on parts as Jim has alluded to. My clutch has a disengagement problem (having worked ok for some 20k miles) - I suspect the the 'fingers' on the clutch plate have lost their strength. We had the same problem 20 years ago on Ford Escort, and replacing the complete clutch cured it. We also had the same problem on a Fiat Grande Punto we bought from new, after only 8k milesand it was replaced under warranty. Other clutches have lasted in excess of 100k miles. Anyway, on my Q I replaced the quadrant with a larger (55mm?) diameter one and then a new cable - I then looked at what was happening at the clutch lever end, and it became clear the quadrant or cable couldn't be the issue because when the pedal was fully depressed the clutch arm was only about 2mm from hitting the gearbox casing. I'll have to get around to changing the clutch, but must get the body painting finished (weather permitting). Martin - Original Message - From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 8:15 PM Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Thanks Chris. After Jim’s post I removed a layer of carpet and some sound deadening material from behind the clutch pedal. That made no difference. So I managed to get the pedal box out tonight and the quadrant works fine on the bench, but wasn’t in the car. Is it a white 50mm quadrant part number 88AB7L353AA made in 1995 so someone changed it out well after the car was built. Sill cannot understand why it won’t work now. Martin This is an interesting thought, does the manual adjust pedal need a specific quadrant? Regards Chris From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Susan and Martin Scott Sent: 03 September 2018 16:28 To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Hi Chris, The complete clutch kit I used was part FINIS #5024280 It is possible to use a manual adjust clutch off an Escort part #1029012 Martin Scott - Original Message - From: chris.quant via Quantum Owners Group To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem I’m pretty sure the recommended quadrant colour was white. Chris G From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2018 9:44 PM To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Thanks Jim Just had a look and there was a flattened vertical lin in the carpet behind the pedal, I removed the carpet and sound deadening behind it. I managed to lift the pedal and pull the cable out fully, but cannot get the pawl to engage with the quadrant. Looks like I need to take the pedal box out to investigate further. Wasn’t there a recommendation to replace the Fiesta quadrant with a different one, perhaps Escort. I think there was a specific coloured Ford item, but I can’t remember the details. Chris From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hearne Sent: 02 September 2018 21:11 To: Quantum Owners Group Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Did you reset the ratchet on the quadrant after you fitted the new clutch ? Lift the pedal up against it's stop with a bit of wood or a second person (this releases the ratchet) and then pull the clutch cable inner out as far as it will go in the engine bay. Release the pedal and then press it a few times, you should hear the ratchet reset. You can't mix low lift and normal lift clutch parts but since you replaced as a set it should be ok. I remember an issue with clutch ratchet not working correctly if you had too much carpet behind the pedal which meant it couldn't be pressed down far enough for the ratchet to be triggered. Jim On Sunday, September 2, 2018 at 7:49:05 PM UTC+1, Chris Fairlie wrote: I thought I had an issue with my 2+2 clutch as the bite point was rather high and it would start to slip as soon as I started to press the clutch pedal. I bit the bullet and took the engine out only to fine the clutch plate wasn’t very worn, but it looks like someone has been riding the clutch as the splines are badly scored by the thrust bearing and some blueing. Not sure it is relevan
RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
Another question, is it normal that the clutch release arm has 25mm of free movement before the thrust bearing touches the back of the splines? From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] Sent: 03 September 2018 20:16 To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Thanks Chris. After Jim’s post I removed a layer of carpet and some sound deadening material from behind the clutch pedal. That made no difference. So I managed to get the pedal box out tonight and the quadrant works fine on the bench, but wasn’t in the car. Is it a white 50mm quadrant part number 88AB7L353AA made in 1995 so someone changed it out well after the car was built. Sill cannot understand why it won’t work now. Martin This is an interesting thought, does the manual adjust pedal need a specific quadrant? Regards Chris From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Susan and Martin Scott Sent: 03 September 2018 16:28 To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Hi Chris, The complete clutch kit I used was part FINIS #5024280 It is possible to use a manual adjust clutch off an Escort part #1029012 Martin Scott - Original Message - From: chris.quant via Quantum Owners Group <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem I’m pretty sure the recommended quadrant colour was white. Chris G From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2018 9:44 PM To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Thanks Jim Just had a look and there was a flattened vertical lin in the carpet behind the pedal, I removed the carpet and sound deadening behind it. I managed to lift the pedal and pull the cable out fully, but cannot get the pawl to engage with the quadrant. Looks like I need to take the pedal box out to investigate further. Wasn’t there a recommendation to replace the Fiesta quadrant with a different one, perhaps Escort. I think there was a specific coloured Ford item, but I can’t remember the details. Chris From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hearne Sent: 02 September 2018 21:11 To: Quantum Owners Group mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> > Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Did you reset the ratchet on the quadrant after you fitted the new clutch ? Lift the pedal up against it's stop with a bit of wood or a second person (this releases the ratchet) and then pull the clutch cable inner out as far as it will go in the engine bay. Release the pedal and then press it a few times, you should hear the ratchet reset. You can't mix low lift and normal lift clutch parts but since you replaced as a set it should be ok. I remember an issue with clutch ratchet not working correctly if you had too much carpet behind the pedal which meant it couldn't be pressed down far enough for the ratchet to be triggered. Jim On Sunday, September 2, 2018 at 7:49:05 PM UTC+1, Chris Fairlie wrote: I thought I had an issue with my 2+2 clutch as the bite point was rather high and it would start to slip as soon as I started to press the clutch pedal. I bit the bullet and took the engine out only to fine the clutch plate wasn’t very worn, but it looks like someone has been riding the clutch as the splines are badly scored by the thrust bearing and some blueing. Not sure it is relevant, but the old clutch was a Motorcraft unit with the friction plate marked ‘Low Lift’ and a white quadrant adjuster fitted. I fitted brand new 3 part Valeo clutch kit hoping this would solve my issues. Wrong! Now the clutch cannot be fully disengaged so I cannot get it into gear. The bite point is about 10mm off the floor. I am using the same clutch cable and the quadrant is untouched. Any ideas please? Thanks Chris Fairlie -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> For more options, visit
RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
Thanks Chris. After Jim’s post I removed a layer of carpet and some sound deadening material from behind the clutch pedal. That made no difference. So I managed to get the pedal box out tonight and the quadrant works fine on the bench, but wasn’t in the car. Is it a white 50mm quadrant part number 88AB7L353AA made in 1995 so someone changed it out well after the car was built. Sill cannot understand why it won’t work now. Martin This is an interesting thought, does the manual adjust pedal need a specific quadrant? Regards Chris From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Susan and Martin Scott Sent: 03 September 2018 16:28 To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Hi Chris, The complete clutch kit I used was part FINIS #5024280 It is possible to use a manual adjust clutch off an Escort part #1029012 Martin Scott - Original Message - From: chris.quant via Quantum Owners Group <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem I’m pretty sure the recommended quadrant colour was white. Chris G From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2018 9:44 PM To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Thanks Jim Just had a look and there was a flattened vertical lin in the carpet behind the pedal, I removed the carpet and sound deadening behind it. I managed to lift the pedal and pull the cable out fully, but cannot get the pawl to engage with the quadrant. Looks like I need to take the pedal box out to investigate further. Wasn’t there a recommendation to replace the Fiesta quadrant with a different one, perhaps Escort. I think there was a specific coloured Ford item, but I can’t remember the details. Chris From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hearne Sent: 02 September 2018 21:11 To: Quantum Owners Group mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> > Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Did you reset the ratchet on the quadrant after you fitted the new clutch ? Lift the pedal up against it's stop with a bit of wood or a second person (this releases the ratchet) and then pull the clutch cable inner out as far as it will go in the engine bay. Release the pedal and then press it a few times, you should hear the ratchet reset. You can't mix low lift and normal lift clutch parts but since you replaced as a set it should be ok. I remember an issue with clutch ratchet not working correctly if you had too much carpet behind the pedal which meant it couldn't be pressed down far enough for the ratchet to be triggered. Jim On Sunday, September 2, 2018 at 7:49:05 PM UTC+1, Chris Fairlie wrote: I thought I had an issue with my 2+2 clutch as the bite point was rather high and it would start to slip as soon as I started to press the clutch pedal. I bit the bullet and took the engine out only to fine the clutch plate wasn’t very worn, but it looks like someone has been riding the clutch as the splines are badly scored by the thrust bearing and some blueing. Not sure it is relevant, but the old clutch was a Motorcraft unit with the friction plate marked ‘Low Lift’ and a white quadrant adjuster fitted. I fitted brand new 3 part Valeo clutch kit hoping this would solve my issues. Wrong! Now the clutch cannot be fully disengaged so I cannot get it into gear. The bite point is about 10mm off the floor. I am using the same clutch cable and the quadrant is untouched. Any ideas please? Thanks Chris Fairlie -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage cau
Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
Hi Chris, The complete clutch kit I used was part FINIS #5024280 It is possible to use a manual adjust clutch off an Escort part #1029012 Martin Scott - Original Message - From: chris.quant via Quantum Owners Group To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem I’m pretty sure the recommended quadrant colour was white. Chris G From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2018 9:44 PM To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Thanks Jim Just had a look and there was a flattened vertical lin in the carpet behind the pedal, I removed the carpet and sound deadening behind it. I managed to lift the pedal and pull the cable out fully, but cannot get the pawl to engage with the quadrant. Looks like I need to take the pedal box out to investigate further. Wasn’t there a recommendation to replace the Fiesta quadrant with a different one, perhaps Escort. I think there was a specific coloured Ford item, but I can’t remember the details. Chris From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hearne Sent: 02 September 2018 21:11 To: Quantum Owners Group Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Did you reset the ratchet on the quadrant after you fitted the new clutch ? Lift the pedal up against it's stop with a bit of wood or a second person (this releases the ratchet) and then pull the clutch cable inner out as far as it will go in the engine bay. Release the pedal and then press it a few times, you should hear the ratchet reset. You can't mix low lift and normal lift clutch parts but since you replaced as a set it should be ok. I remember an issue with clutch ratchet not working correctly if you had too much carpet behind the pedal which meant it couldn't be pressed down far enough for the ratchet to be triggered. Jim On Sunday, September 2, 2018 at 7:49:05 PM UTC+1, Chris Fairlie wrote: I thought I had an issue with my 2+2 clutch as the bite point was rather high and it would start to slip as soon as I started to press the clutch pedal. I bit the bullet and took the engine out only to fine the clutch plate wasn’t very worn, but it looks like someone has been riding the clutch as the splines are badly scored by the thrust bearing and some blueing. Not sure it is relevant, but the old clutch was a Motorcraft unit with the friction plate marked ‘Low Lift’ and a white quadrant adjuster fitted. I fitted brand new 3 part Valeo clutch kit hoping this would solve my issues. Wrong! Now the clutch cannot be fully disengaged so I cannot get it into gear. The bite point is about 10mm off the floor. I am using the same clutch cable and the quadrant is untouched. Any ideas please? Thanks Chris Fairlie -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above in
Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
I’m pretty sure the recommended quadrant colour was white. Chris G From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2018 9:44 PM To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Thanks Jim Just had a look and there was a flattened vertical lin in the carpet behind the pedal, I removed the carpet and sound deadening behind it. I managed to lift the pedal and pull the cable out fully, but cannot get the pawl to engage with the quadrant. Looks like I need to take the pedal box out to investigate further. Wasn’t there a recommendation to replace the Fiesta quadrant with a different one, perhaps Escort. I think there was a specific coloured Ford item, but I can’t remember the details. Chris From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hearne Sent: 02 September 2018 21:11 To: Quantum Owners Group Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Did you reset the ratchet on the quadrant after you fitted the new clutch ? Lift the pedal up against it's stop with a bit of wood or a second person (this releases the ratchet) and then pull the clutch cable inner out as far as it will go in the engine bay. Release the pedal and then press it a few times, you should hear the ratchet reset. You can't mix low lift and normal lift clutch parts but since you replaced as a set it should be ok. I remember an issue with clutch ratchet not working correctly if you had too much carpet behind the pedal which meant it couldn't be pressed down far enough for the ratchet to be triggered. Jim On Sunday, September 2, 2018 at 7:49:05 PM UTC+1, Chris Fairlie wrote: I thought I had an issue with my 2+2 clutch as the bite point was rather high and it would start to slip as soon as I started to press the clutch pedal. I bit the bullet and took the engine out only to fine the clutch plate wasn’t very worn, but it looks like someone has been riding the clutch as the splines are badly scored by the thrust bearing and some blueing. Not sure it is relevant, but the old clutch was a Motorcraft unit with the friction plate marked ‘Low Lift’ and a white quadrant adjuster fitted. I fitted brand new 3 part Valeo clutch kit hoping this would solve my issues. Wrong! Now the clutch cannot be fully disengaged so I cannot get it into gear. The bite point is about 10mm off the floor. I am using the same clutch cable and the quadrant is untouched. Any ideas please? Thanks Chris Fairlie -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.goog
RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
Thanks Jim Just had a look and there was a flattened vertical lin in the carpet behind the pedal, I removed the carpet and sound deadening behind it. I managed to lift the pedal and pull the cable out fully, but cannot get the pawl to engage with the quadrant. Looks like I need to take the pedal box out to investigate further. Wasn’t there a recommendation to replace the Fiesta quadrant with a different one, perhaps Escort. I think there was a specific coloured Ford item, but I can’t remember the details. Chris From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hearne Sent: 02 September 2018 21:11 To: Quantum Owners Group Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Did you reset the ratchet on the quadrant after you fitted the new clutch ? Lift the pedal up against it's stop with a bit of wood or a second person (this releases the ratchet) and then pull the clutch cable inner out as far as it will go in the engine bay. Release the pedal and then press it a few times, you should hear the ratchet reset. You can't mix low lift and normal lift clutch parts but since you replaced as a set it should be ok. I remember an issue with clutch ratchet not working correctly if you had too much carpet behind the pedal which meant it couldn't be pressed down far enough for the ratchet to be triggered. Jim On Sunday, September 2, 2018 at 7:49:05 PM UTC+1, Chris Fairlie wrote: I thought I had an issue with my 2+2 clutch as the bite point was rather high and it would start to slip as soon as I started to press the clutch pedal. I bit the bullet and took the engine out only to fine the clutch plate wasn’t very worn, but it looks like someone has been riding the clutch as the splines are badly scored by the thrust bearing and some blueing. Not sure it is relevant, but the old clutch was a Motorcraft unit with the friction plate marked ‘Low Lift’ and a white quadrant adjuster fitted. I fitted brand new 3 part Valeo clutch kit hoping this would solve my issues. Wrong! Now the clutch cannot be fully disengaged so I cannot get it into gear. The bite point is about 10mm off the floor. I am using the same clutch cable and the quadrant is untouched. Any ideas please? Thanks Chris Fairlie -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
Did you reset the ratchet on the quadrant after you fitted the new clutch ? Lift the pedal up against it's stop with a bit of wood or a second person (this releases the ratchet) and then pull the clutch cable inner out as far as it will go in the engine bay. Release the pedal and then press it a few times, you should hear the ratchet reset. You can't mix low lift and normal lift clutch parts but since you replaced as a set it should be ok. I remember an issue with clutch ratchet not working correctly if you had too much carpet behind the pedal which meant it couldn't be pressed down far enough for the ratchet to be triggered. Jim On Sunday, September 2, 2018 at 7:49:05 PM UTC+1, Chris Fairlie wrote: > > > > I thought I had an issue with my 2+2 clutch as the bite point was rather > high and it would start to slip as soon as I started to press the clutch > pedal. I bit the bullet and took the engine out only to fine the clutch > plate wasn’t very worn, but it looks like someone has been riding the > clutch as the splines are badly scored by the thrust bearing and some > blueing. Not sure it is relevant, but the old clutch was a Motorcraft unit > with the friction plate marked ‘Low Lift’ and a white quadrant adjuster > fitted. > > > > I fitted brand new 3 part Valeo clutch kit hoping this would solve my > issues. Wrong! > > > > Now the clutch cannot be fully disengaged so I cannot get it into gear. > The bite point is about 10mm off the floor. I am using the same clutch > cable and the quadrant is untouched. > > > > Any ideas please? > > > > Thanks > > > > Chris Fairlie > -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.