RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

2018-09-02 Thread 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 
Thanks Jim

 

Just had a look and there was a flattened vertical lin in the carpet behind the 
pedal, I removed the carpet and sound deadening behind it. I managed to lift 
the pedal and pull the cable out fully, but cannot get the pawl to engage with 
the quadrant. 

 

Looks like I need to take the pedal box out to investigate further.

 

Wasn’t there a recommendation to replace the Fiesta quadrant with a different 
one, perhaps Escort. I think there was a specific coloured Ford item, but I 
can’t remember the details.

 

Chris

 

From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Jim Hearne
Sent: 02 September 2018 21:11
To: Quantum Owners Group 
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Did you reset the ratchet on the quadrant after you fitted the new clutch ?
Lift the pedal up against it's stop with a bit of wood or a second person (this 
releases the ratchet) and then pull the clutch cable inner out as far as it 
will go in the engine bay.
Release the pedal and then press it a few times, you should hear the ratchet 
reset.

You can't mix low lift and normal lift clutch parts but since you replaced as a 
set it should be ok.

I remember an issue with clutch ratchet not working correctly if you had too 
much carpet behind the pedal which meant it couldn't be pressed down far enough 
for the ratchet to be triggered.

Jim

On Sunday, September 2, 2018 at 7:49:05 PM UTC+1, Chris Fairlie wrote:

 

I thought I had an issue with my 2+2 clutch as the bite point was rather high 
and it would start to slip as soon as I started to press the clutch pedal. I 
bit the bullet and took the engine out only to fine the clutch plate wasn’t 
very worn, but it looks like someone has been riding the clutch as the splines 
are badly scored by the thrust bearing and some blueing.  Not sure it is 
relevant, but the old clutch was a Motorcraft unit with the friction plate 
marked ‘Low Lift’ and a white quadrant adjuster fitted.

 

I fitted brand new 3 part Valeo clutch kit hoping this would solve my issues. 
Wrong!

 

Now the clutch cannot be fully disengaged so I cannot get it into gear. The 
bite point is about 10mm off the floor. I am using the same clutch cable and 
the quadrant is untouched.  

 

Any ideas please?

 

Thanks 

 

Chris Fairlie

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

2018-09-03 Thread chris.quant via Quantum Owners Group 
I’m pretty sure the recommended quadrant colour was white.

Chris G

From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 
Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2018 9:44 PM
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

Thanks Jim

 

Just had a look and there was a flattened vertical lin in the carpet behind the 
pedal, I removed the carpet and sound deadening behind it. I managed to lift 
the pedal and pull the cable out fully, but cannot get the pawl to engage with 
the quadrant. 

 

Looks like I need to take the pedal box out to investigate further.

 

Wasn’t there a recommendation to replace the Fiesta quadrant with a different 
one, perhaps Escort. I think there was a specific coloured Ford item, but I 
can’t remember the details.

 

Chris

 

From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Jim Hearne
Sent: 02 September 2018 21:11
To: Quantum Owners Group 
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Did you reset the ratchet on the quadrant after you fitted the new clutch ?
Lift the pedal up against it's stop with a bit of wood or a second person (this 
releases the ratchet) and then pull the clutch cable inner out as far as it 
will go in the engine bay.
Release the pedal and then press it a few times, you should hear the ratchet 
reset.

You can't mix low lift and normal lift clutch parts but since you replaced as a 
set it should be ok.

I remember an issue with clutch ratchet not working correctly if you had too 
much carpet behind the pedal which meant it couldn't be pressed down far enough 
for the ratchet to be triggered.

Jim

On Sunday, September 2, 2018 at 7:49:05 PM UTC+1, Chris Fairlie wrote:

   

  I thought I had an issue with my 2+2 clutch as the bite point was rather high 
and it would start to slip as soon as I started to press the clutch pedal. I 
bit the bullet and took the engine out only to fine the clutch plate wasn’t 
very worn, but it looks like someone has been riding the clutch as the splines 
are badly scored by the thrust bearing and some blueing.  Not sure it is 
relevant, but the old clutch was a Motorcraft unit with the friction plate 
marked ‘Low Lift’ and a white quadrant adjuster fitted.

   

  I fitted brand new 3 part Valeo clutch kit hoping this would solve my issues. 
Wrong!

   

  Now the clutch cannot be fully disengaged so I cannot get it into gear. The 
bite point is about 10mm off the floor. I am using the same clutch cable and 
the quadrant is untouched.  

   

  Any ideas please?

   

  Thanks 

   

  Chris Fairlie

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

2018-09-03 Thread Susan and Martin Scott 
Hi Chris,
The complete clutch kit I used was part FINIS #5024280
It is possible to use a manual adjust clutch off an Escort part #1029012
Martin Scott
  - Original Message - 
  From: chris.quant via Quantum Owners Group 
  To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 3:28 PM
  Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem


  I’m pretty sure the recommended quadrant colour was white.

  Chris G

  From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 
  Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2018 9:44 PM
  To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

  Thanks Jim

   

  Just had a look and there was a flattened vertical lin in the carpet behind 
the pedal, I removed the carpet and sound deadening behind it. I managed to 
lift the pedal and pull the cable out fully, but cannot get the pawl to engage 
with the quadrant. 

   

  Looks like I need to take the pedal box out to investigate further.

   

  Wasn’t there a recommendation to replace the Fiesta quadrant with a different 
one, perhaps Escort. I think there was a specific coloured Ford item, but I 
can’t remember the details.

   

  Chris

   

  From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Jim Hearne
  Sent: 02 September 2018 21:11
  To: Quantum Owners Group 
  Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

   

  Did you reset the ratchet on the quadrant after you fitted the new clutch ?
  Lift the pedal up against it's stop with a bit of wood or a second person 
(this releases the ratchet) and then pull the clutch cable inner out as far as 
it will go in the engine bay.
  Release the pedal and then press it a few times, you should hear the ratchet 
reset.

  You can't mix low lift and normal lift clutch parts but since you replaced as 
a set it should be ok.

  I remember an issue with clutch ratchet not working correctly if you had too 
much carpet behind the pedal which meant it couldn't be pressed down far enough 
for the ratchet to be triggered.

  Jim

  On Sunday, September 2, 2018 at 7:49:05 PM UTC+1, Chris Fairlie wrote:

 

I thought I had an issue with my 2+2 clutch as the bite point was rather 
high and it would start to slip as soon as I started to press the clutch pedal. 
I bit the bullet and took the engine out only to fine the clutch plate wasn’t 
very worn, but it looks like someone has been riding the clutch as the splines 
are badly scored by the thrust bearing and some blueing.  Not sure it is 
relevant, but the old clutch was a Motorcraft unit with the friction plate 
marked ‘Low Lift’ and a white quadrant adjuster fitted.

 

I fitted brand new 3 part Valeo clutch kit hoping this would solve my 
issues. Wrong!

 

Now the clutch cannot be fully disengaged so I cannot get it into gear. The 
bite point is about 10mm off the floor. I am using the same clutch cable and 
the quadrant is untouched.  

 

Any ideas please?

 

Thanks 

 

Chris Fairlie

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RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

2018-09-03 Thread 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 
Thanks Chris. 

 

After Jim’s post I removed a layer of carpet and some sound deadening material 
from behind the clutch pedal. That made no difference. So I managed to get the 
pedal box out tonight and the quadrant works fine on the bench, but wasn’t in 
the car. Is it a white 50mm quadrant part number 88AB7L353AA made in 1995 so 
someone changed it out well after the car was built. Sill cannot understand why 
it won’t work now.

 

Martin

 

This is an interesting thought, does the manual adjust pedal need a specific 
quadrant?

 

Regards

 

Chris 

 

From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Susan and Martin Scott
Sent: 03 September 2018 16:28
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Hi Chris,

The complete clutch kit I used was part FINIS #5024280

It is possible to use a manual adjust clutch off an Escort part #1029012

Martin Scott

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From: chris.quant via Quantum Owners Group 
<mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>  

To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 3:28 PM

Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

I’m pretty sure the recommended quadrant colour was white.

 

Chris G

 

From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 
<mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2018 9:44 PM

To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>  

Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Thanks Jim

 

Just had a look and there was a flattened vertical lin in the carpet behind the 
pedal, I removed the carpet and sound deadening behind it. I managed to lift 
the pedal and pull the cable out fully, but cannot get the pawl to engage with 
the quadrant. 

 

Looks like I need to take the pedal box out to investigate further.

 

Wasn’t there a recommendation to replace the Fiesta quadrant with a different 
one, perhaps Escort. I think there was a specific coloured Ford item, but I 
can’t remember the details.

 

Chris

 

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[mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hearne
Sent: 02 September 2018 21:11
To: Quantum Owners Group mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Did you reset the ratchet on the quadrant after you fitted the new clutch ?
Lift the pedal up against it's stop with a bit of wood or a second person (this 
releases the ratchet) and then pull the clutch cable inner out as far as it 
will go in the engine bay.
Release the pedal and then press it a few times, you should hear the ratchet 
reset.

You can't mix low lift and normal lift clutch parts but since you replaced as a 
set it should be ok.

I remember an issue with clutch ratchet not working correctly if you had too 
much carpet behind the pedal which meant it couldn't be pressed down far enough 
for the ratchet to be triggered.

Jim

On Sunday, September 2, 2018 at 7:49:05 PM UTC+1, Chris Fairlie wrote:

 

I thought I had an issue with my 2+2 clutch as the bite point was rather high 
and it would start to slip as soon as I started to press the clutch pedal. I 
bit the bullet and took the engine out only to fine the clutch plate wasn’t 
very worn, but it looks like someone has been riding the clutch as the splines 
are badly scored by the thrust bearing and some blueing.  Not sure it is 
relevant, but the old clutch was a Motorcraft unit with the friction plate 
marked ‘Low Lift’ and a white quadrant adjuster fitted.

 

I fitted brand new 3 part Valeo clutch kit hoping this would solve my issues. 
Wrong!

 

Now the clutch cannot be fully disengaged so I cannot get it into gear. The 
bite point is about 10mm off the floor. I am using the same clutch cable and 
the quadrant is untouched.  

 

Any ideas please?

 

Thanks 

 

Chris Fairlie

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RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

2018-09-03 Thread 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 
Another question, is it normal that the clutch release arm has 25mm of free 
movement before the thrust bearing touches the back of the splines?

 

From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 
[mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: 03 September 2018 20:16
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Thanks Chris. 

 

After Jim’s post I removed a layer of carpet and some sound deadening material 
from behind the clutch pedal. That made no difference. So I managed to get the 
pedal box out tonight and the quadrant works fine on the bench, but wasn’t in 
the car. Is it a white 50mm quadrant part number 88AB7L353AA made in 1995 so 
someone changed it out well after the car was built. Sill cannot understand why 
it won’t work now.

 

Martin

 

This is an interesting thought, does the manual adjust pedal need a specific 
quadrant?

 

Regards

 

Chris 

 

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[mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Susan and Martin Scott
Sent: 03 September 2018 16:28
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Hi Chris,

The complete clutch kit I used was part FINIS #5024280

It is possible to use a manual adjust clutch off an Escort part #1029012

Martin Scott

- Original Message - 

From: chris.quant via Quantum Owners Group 
<mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>  

To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 3:28 PM

Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

I’m pretty sure the recommended quadrant colour was white.

 

Chris G

 

From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 
<mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2018 9:44 PM

To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>  

Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Thanks Jim

 

Just had a look and there was a flattened vertical lin in the carpet behind the 
pedal, I removed the carpet and sound deadening behind it. I managed to lift 
the pedal and pull the cable out fully, but cannot get the pawl to engage with 
the quadrant. 

 

Looks like I need to take the pedal box out to investigate further.

 

Wasn’t there a recommendation to replace the Fiesta quadrant with a different 
one, perhaps Escort. I think there was a specific coloured Ford item, but I 
can’t remember the details.

 

Chris

 

From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Jim Hearne
Sent: 02 September 2018 21:11
To: Quantum Owners Group mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Did you reset the ratchet on the quadrant after you fitted the new clutch ?
Lift the pedal up against it's stop with a bit of wood or a second person (this 
releases the ratchet) and then pull the clutch cable inner out as far as it 
will go in the engine bay.
Release the pedal and then press it a few times, you should hear the ratchet 
reset.

You can't mix low lift and normal lift clutch parts but since you replaced as a 
set it should be ok.

I remember an issue with clutch ratchet not working correctly if you had too 
much carpet behind the pedal which meant it couldn't be pressed down far enough 
for the ratchet to be triggered.

Jim

On Sunday, September 2, 2018 at 7:49:05 PM UTC+1, Chris Fairlie wrote:

 

I thought I had an issue with my 2+2 clutch as the bite point was rather high 
and it would start to slip as soon as I started to press the clutch pedal. I 
bit the bullet and took the engine out only to fine the clutch plate wasn’t 
very worn, but it looks like someone has been riding the clutch as the splines 
are badly scored by the thrust bearing and some blueing.  Not sure it is 
relevant, but the old clutch was a Motorcraft unit with the friction plate 
marked ‘Low Lift’ and a white quadrant adjuster fitted.

 

I fitted brand new 3 part Valeo clutch kit hoping this would solve my issues. 
Wrong!

 

Now the clutch cannot be fully disengaged so I cannot get it into gear. The 
bite point is about 10mm off the floor. I am using the same clutch cable and 
the quadrant is untouched.  

 

Any ideas please?

 

Thanks 

 

Chris Fairlie

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

2018-09-03 Thread Susan and Martin Scott 
That's a good question, that I don't know the answer to as I've got the pedal 
but haven't got around to fitting it! Did you buy your cluitch as a complete 
kit? It could be a mismatch on parts as Jim has alluded to.
My clutch has a disengagement problem (having worked ok for some 20k miles) - I 
suspect the the 'fingers' on the clutch plate have lost their strength. We had 
the same problem 20 years ago on Ford Escort, and replacing the complete clutch 
cured it. We also had the same problem on a Fiat Grande Punto we bought from 
new, after only 8k milesand it was replaced under warranty. Other clutches have 
lasted in excess of 100k miles. Anyway, on my Q I replaced the quadrant with a 
larger (55mm?) diameter one and then a new cable - I then looked at what was 
happening at the clutch lever end, and it became clear the quadrant or cable 
couldn't be the issue because when the pedal was fully depressed the clutch arm 
was only about 2mm from hitting the gearbox casing. I'll have to get around to 
changing the clutch, but must get the body painting finished (weather 
permitting).
Martin
  - Original Message - 
  From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 
  To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 8:15 PM
  Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem


  Thanks Chris. 

   

  After Jim’s post I removed a layer of carpet and some sound deadening 
material from behind the clutch pedal. That made no difference. So I managed to 
get the pedal box out tonight and the quadrant works fine on the bench, but 
wasn’t in the car. Is it a white 50mm quadrant part number 88AB7L353AA made in 
1995 so someone changed it out well after the car was built. Sill cannot 
understand why it won’t work now.

   

  Martin

   

  This is an interesting thought, does the manual adjust pedal need a specific 
quadrant?

   

  Regards

   

  Chris 

   

  From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Susan and Martin Scott
  Sent: 03 September 2018 16:28
  To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

   

  Hi Chris,

  The complete clutch kit I used was part FINIS #5024280

  It is possible to use a manual adjust clutch off an Escort part #1029012

  Martin Scott

- Original Message - 

From: chris.quant via Quantum Owners Group 

To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 3:28 PM

Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

I’m pretty sure the recommended quadrant colour was white.

 

Chris G

 

From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 

Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2018 9:44 PM

To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 

    Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Thanks Jim

 

Just had a look and there was a flattened vertical lin in the carpet behind 
the pedal, I removed the carpet and sound deadening behind it. I managed to 
lift the pedal and pull the cable out fully, but cannot get the pawl to engage 
with the quadrant. 

 

Looks like I need to take the pedal box out to investigate further.

 

Wasn’t there a recommendation to replace the Fiesta quadrant with a 
different one, perhaps Escort. I think there was a specific coloured Ford item, 
but I can’t remember the details.

 

Chris

 

From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hearne
Sent: 02 September 2018 21:11
To: Quantum Owners Group 
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Did you reset the ratchet on the quadrant after you fitted the new clutch ?
Lift the pedal up against it's stop with a bit of wood or a second person 
(this releases the ratchet) and then pull the clutch cable inner out as far as 
it will go in the engine bay.
Release the pedal and then press it a few times, you should hear the 
ratchet reset.

You can't mix low lift and normal lift clutch parts but since you replaced 
as a set it should be ok.

I remember an issue with clutch ratchet not working correctly if you had 
too much carpet behind the pedal which meant it couldn't be pressed down far 
enough for the ratchet to be triggered.

Jim

On Sunday, September 2, 2018 at 7:49:05 PM UTC+1, Chris Fairlie wrote:

   

  I thought I had an issue with my 2+2 clutch as the bite point was rather 
high and it would start to slip as soon as I started to press the clutch pedal. 
I bit the bullet and took the engine out only to fine the clutch plate wasn’t 
very worn, but it looks like someone has been riding the clutch as the splines 
are badly scored by the thrust bearing and some blueing.  Not sure it is 
relevan

RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

2018-09-03 Thread 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 
I bought/fitted a complete 3 part Valeo clutch kit. I have to admit I am close 
to taking thee engine/gearbox out again to investigate further. I may refit the 
old clutch kit to see if there is similar free movement.

 

From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Susan and Martin Scott
Sent: 03 September 2018 22:11
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

That's a good question, that I don't know the answer to as I've got the pedal 
but haven't got around to fitting it! Did you buy your cluitch as a complete 
kit? It could be a mismatch on parts as Jim has alluded to.

My clutch has a disengagement problem (having worked ok for some 20k miles) - I 
suspect the the 'fingers' on the clutch plate have lost their strength. We had 
the same problem 20 years ago on Ford Escort, and replacing the complete clutch 
cured it. We also had the same problem on a Fiat Grande Punto we bought from 
new, after only 8k milesand it was replaced under warranty. Other clutches have 
lasted in excess of 100k miles. Anyway, on my Q I replaced the quadrant with a 
larger (55mm?) diameter one and then a new cable - I then looked at what was 
happening at the clutch lever end, and it became clear the quadrant or cable 
couldn't be the issue because when the pedal was fully depressed the clutch arm 
was only about 2mm from hitting the gearbox casing. I'll have to get around to 
changing the clutch, but must get the body painting finished (weather 
permitting).

Martin

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From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 
<mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>  

To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 8:15 PM

Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Thanks Chris. 

 

After Jim’s post I removed a layer of carpet and some sound deadening material 
from behind the clutch pedal. That made no difference. So I managed to get the 
pedal box out tonight and the quadrant works fine on the bench, but wasn’t in 
the car. Is it a white 50mm quadrant part number 88AB7L353AA made in 1995 so 
someone changed it out well after the car was built. Sill cannot understand why 
it won’t work now.

 

Martin

 

This is an interesting thought, does the manual adjust pedal need a specific 
quadrant?

 

Regards

 

Chris 

 

From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Susan and Martin Scott
Sent: 03 September 2018 16:28
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Hi Chris,

The complete clutch kit I used was part FINIS #5024280

It is possible to use a manual adjust clutch off an Escort part #1029012

Martin Scott

- Original Message - 

From: chris.quant via Quantum Owners Group 
<mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>  

To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 3:28 PM

Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

I’m pretty sure the recommended quadrant colour was white.

 

Chris G

 

From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 
<mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2018 9:44 PM

To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>  

Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Thanks Jim

 

Just had a look and there was a flattened vertical lin in the carpet behind the 
pedal, I removed the carpet and sound deadening behind it. I managed to lift 
the pedal and pull the cable out fully, but cannot get the pawl to engage with 
the quadrant. 

 

Looks like I need to take the pedal box out to investigate further.

 

Wasn’t there a recommendation to replace the Fiesta quadrant with a different 
one, perhaps Escort. I think there was a specific coloured Ford item, but I 
can’t remember the details.

 

Chris

 

From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hearne
Sent: 02 September 2018 21:11
To: Quantum Owners Group mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Did you reset the ratchet on the quadrant after you fitted the new clutch ?
Lift the pedal up against it's stop with a bit of wood or a second person (this 
releases the ratchet) and then pull the clutch cable inner out as far as it 
will go in the engine bay.
Release the pedal and then press it a few times, you should hear the ratchet 
reset.

You can't mix low lift a

Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

2018-09-03 Thread Susan and Martin Scott 
Good question, ISTR that the clutch arm appeared to be against the bearing with 
cable etc connected, but if I grasped it I could move it the other way manually.
Martin
  - Original Message - 
  From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 
  To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 9:41 PM
  Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem


  Another question, is it normal that the clutch release arm has 25mm of free 
movement before the thrust bearing touches the back of the splines?

   

  From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 
[mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] 
  Sent: 03 September 2018 20:16
  To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

   

  Thanks Chris. 

   

  After Jim’s post I removed a layer of carpet and some sound deadening 
material from behind the clutch pedal. That made no difference. So I managed to 
get the pedal box out tonight and the quadrant works fine on the bench, but 
wasn’t in the car. Is it a white 50mm quadrant part number 88AB7L353AA made in 
1995 so someone changed it out well after the car was built. Sill cannot 
understand why it won’t work now.

   

  Martin

   

  This is an interesting thought, does the manual adjust pedal need a specific 
quadrant?

   

  Regards

   

  Chris 

   

  From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Susan and Martin Scott
  Sent: 03 September 2018 16:28
  To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

   

  Hi Chris,

  The complete clutch kit I used was part FINIS #5024280

  It is possible to use a manual adjust clutch off an Escort part #1029012

  Martin Scott

- Original Message - 

From: chris.quant via Quantum Owners Group 

To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 3:28 PM

Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

I’m pretty sure the recommended quadrant colour was white.

 

Chris G

 

From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 

Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2018 9:44 PM

To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 

    Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Thanks Jim

 

Just had a look and there was a flattened vertical lin in the carpet behind 
the pedal, I removed the carpet and sound deadening behind it. I managed to 
lift the pedal and pull the cable out fully, but cannot get the pawl to engage 
with the quadrant. 

 

Looks like I need to take the pedal box out to investigate further.

 

Wasn’t there a recommendation to replace the Fiesta quadrant with a 
different one, perhaps Escort. I think there was a specific coloured Ford item, 
but I can’t remember the details.

 

Chris

 

From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hearne
Sent: 02 September 2018 21:11
To: Quantum Owners Group 
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Did you reset the ratchet on the quadrant after you fitted the new clutch ?
Lift the pedal up against it's stop with a bit of wood or a second person 
(this releases the ratchet) and then pull the clutch cable inner out as far as 
it will go in the engine bay.
Release the pedal and then press it a few times, you should hear the 
ratchet reset.

You can't mix low lift and normal lift clutch parts but since you replaced 
as a set it should be ok.

I remember an issue with clutch ratchet not working correctly if you had 
too much carpet behind the pedal which meant it couldn't be pressed down far 
enough for the ratchet to be triggered.

Jim

On Sunday, September 2, 2018 at 7:49:05 PM UTC+1, Chris Fairlie wrote:

   

  I thought I had an issue with my 2+2 clutch as the bite point was rather 
high and it would start to slip as soon as I started to press the clutch pedal. 
I bit the bullet and took the engine out only to fine the clutch plate wasn’t 
very worn, but it looks like someone has been riding the clutch as the splines 
are badly scored by the thrust bearing and some blueing.  Not sure it is 
relevant, but the old clutch was a Motorcraft unit with the friction plate 
marked ‘Low Lift’ and a white quadrant adjuster fitted.

   

  I fitted brand new 3 part Valeo clutch kit hoping this would solve my 
issues. Wrong!

   

  Now the clutch cannot be fully disengaged so I cannot get it into gear. 
The bite point is about 10mm off the floor. I am using the same clutch cable 
and the quadrant is untouched.  

   

  Any ideas please?

   

  Thanks 

   

  Chris Fairlie

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RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

2018-09-03 Thread andyheaton64 
Just trawling my memory bank as Q001 is a prototype. 
Is there any remarks I have written in the build manual from Lady Q about mods 
to the pedal box?
Does there happen to be any history that Rob at qoc can put his hands on or do 
you have a copy of the file ?
Where pressure has been put on the clutch, the Fulcrum arm to the gearbox 
release bearing isn't fractured is it? 
I am just wondering whether the pedal box needs moving away from the bulk head 
to give more clearance? Or would that have the opposite effect ?
Does the gear linkage need adjusting ?
Did both clutches look the same ?
I will trawl through the history files and see if I can find any info for you 
Chris 
P.s I can pop over Sunday afternoon when i finish work if your about ?
Regards Andy 



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
 Original message From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners 
Group  Date: 03/09/2018  22:27  (GMT+00:00) To: 
quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed 
with a 2+2 clutch problem 
I bought/fitted a complete 3 part Valeo clutch kit. I have to admit I am close 
to taking thee engine/gearbox out again to investigate further. I may refit the 
old clutch kit to see if there is similar free movement. From: 
quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Susan and Martin Scott
Sent: 03 September 2018 22:11
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem That's 
a good question, that I don't know the answer to as I've got the pedal but 
haven't got around to fitting it! Did you buy your cluitch as a complete kit? 
It could be a mismatch on parts as Jim has alluded to.My clutch has a 
disengagement problem (having worked ok for some 20k miles) - I suspect the the 
'fingers' on the clutch plate have lost their strength. We had the same problem 
20 years ago on Ford Escort, and replacing the complete clutch cured it. We 
also had the same problem on a Fiat Grande Punto we bought from new, after only 
8k milesand it was replaced under warranty. Other clutches have lasted in 
excess of 100k miles. Anyway, on my Q I replaced the quadrant with a larger 
(55mm?) diameter one and then a new cable - I then looked at what was happening 
at the clutch lever end, and it became clear the quadrant or cable couldn't be 
the issue because when the pedal was fully depressed the clutch arm was only 
about 2mm from hitting the gearbox casing. I'll have to get around to changing 
the clutch, but must get the body painting finished (weather 
permitting).Martin- Original Message - From: 'Chris Fairlie' via 
Quantum Owners Group To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 
03, 2018 8:15 PMSubject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch 
problem Thanks Chris.  After Jim’s post I removed a layer of carpet and some 
sound deadening material from behind the clutch pedal. That made no difference. 
So I managed to get the pedal box out tonight and the quadrant works fine on 
the bench, but wasn’t in the car. Is it a white 50mm quadrant part number 
88AB7L353AA made in 1995 so someone changed it out well after the car was 
built. Sill cannot understand why it won’t work now. Martin This is an 
interesting thought, does the manual adjust pedal need a specific quadrant? 
Regards Chris  From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Susan and Martin Scott
Sent: 03 September 2018 16:28
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Hi 
Chris,The complete clutch kit I used was part FINIS #5024280It is possible to 
use a manual adjust clutch off an Escort part #1029012Martin Scott- 
Original Message - From: chris.quant via Quantum Owners Group To: 
quantumowners@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 3:28 PMSubject: 
Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem I’m pretty sure 
the recommended quadrant colour was white. Chris G From: 'Chris Fairlie' via 
Quantum Owners Group Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2018 9:44 PMTo: 
quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed 
with a 2+2 clutch problem Thanks Jim Just had a look and there was a flattened 
vertical lin in the carpet behind the pedal, I removed the carpet and sound 
deadening behind it. I managed to lift the pedal and pull the cable out fully, 
but cannot get the pawl to engage with the quadrant.  Looks like I need to take 
the pedal box out to investigate further. Wasn’t there a recommendation to 
replace the Fiesta quadrant with a different one, perhaps Escort. I think there 
was a specific coloured Ford item, but I can’t remember the details. Chris 
From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Jim Hearne
Sent: 02 September 2018 21:

Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

2018-09-04 Thread Jim Hearne 
There is certainly a fair bit of free play without the cable attached, 
possibly as much as 25mm.

Jim


On Monday, September 3, 2018 at 9:41:25 PM UTC+1, Chris Fairlie wrote:
>
> Another question, is it normal that the clutch release arm has 25mm of 
> free movement before the thrust bearing touches the back of the splines?
>
>  
>
> *From:* 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group [mailto:
> quantumowners@googlegroups.com] 
> *Sent:* 03 September 2018 20:16
> *To:* quantumowners@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
>
>  
>
> Thanks Chris. 
>
>  
>
> After Jim’s post I removed a layer of carpet and some sound deadening 
> material from behind the clutch pedal. That made no difference. So I 
> managed to get the pedal box out tonight and the quadrant works fine on the 
> bench, but wasn’t in the car. Is it a white 50mm quadrant part number 
> 88AB7L353AA made in 1995 so someone changed it out well after the car was 
> built. Sill cannot understand why it won’t work now.
>
>  
>
> Martin
>
>  
>
> This is an interesting thought, does the manual adjust pedal need a 
> specific quadrant?
>
>  
>
> Regards
>
>  
>
> Chris 
>
>  
>
> *From:* quantumowners@googlegroups.com [
> mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com ] *On 
> Behalf Of *Susan and Martin Scott
> *Sent:* 03 September 2018 16:28
> *To:* quantumowners@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
>
>  
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> The complete clutch kit I used was part FINIS #5024280
>
> It is possible to use a manual adjust clutch off an Escort part #1029012
>
> Martin Scott
>
> - Original Message - 
>
> *From:* chris.quant via Quantum Owners Group 
>  
>
> *To:* quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
>
> *Sent:* Monday, September 03, 2018 3:28 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
>
>  
>
> I’m pretty sure the recommended quadrant colour was white.
>
>  
>
> Chris G
>
>  
>
> *From:* 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 
>  
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 2, 2018 9:44 PM
>
> *To:* quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
>
> *Subject:* RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
>
>  
>
> Thanks Jim
>
>  
>
> Just had a look and there was a flattened vertical lin in the carpet 
> behind the pedal, I removed the carpet and sound deadening behind it. I 
> managed to lift the pedal and pull the cable out fully, but cannot get the 
> pawl to engage with the quadrant. 
>
>  
>
> Looks like I need to take the pedal box out to investigate further.
>
>  
>
> Wasn’t there a recommendation to replace the Fiesta quadrant with a 
> different one, perhaps Escort. I think there was a specific coloured Ford 
> item, but I can’t remember the details.
>
>  
>
> Chris
>
>  
>
> *From:* quantumowners@googlegroups.com [
> mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com ] *On 
> Behalf Of *Jim Hearne
> *Sent:* 02 September 2018 21:11
> *To:* Quantum Owners Group 
> *Subject:* [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
>
>  
>
> Did you reset the ratchet on the quadrant after you fitted the new clutch ?
> Lift the pedal up against it's stop with a bit of wood or a second person 
> (this releases the ratchet) and then pull the clutch cable inner out as far 
> as it will go in the engine bay.
> Release the pedal and then press it a few times, you should hear the 
> ratchet reset.
>
> You can't mix low lift and normal lift clutch parts but since you replaced 
> as a set it should be ok.
>
> I remember an issue with clutch ratchet not working correctly if you had 
> too much carpet behind the pedal which meant it couldn't be pressed down 
> far enough for the ratchet to be triggered.
>
> Jim
>
> On Sunday, September 2, 2018 at 7:49:05 PM UTC+1, Chris Fairlie wrote:
>
>  
>
> I thought I had an issue with my 2+2 clutch as the bite point was rather 
> high and it would start to slip as soon as I started to press the clutch 
> pedal. I bit the bullet and took the engine out only to fine the clutch 
> plate wasn’t very worn, but it looks like someone has been riding the 
> clutch as the splines are badly scored by the thrust bearing and some 
> blueing.  Not sure it is relevant, but the old clutch was a Motorcraft unit 
> with the friction plate marked ‘Low Lift’ and a white quadrant adjuster 
> fitted.
>
>  
>
> I fitted brand new 3 part Valeo clutch kit hoping this would solve my 
> issues. Wrong!
>
>  
>
&g

Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

2018-09-04 Thread chris.quant via Quantum Owners Group 
I’ve just remembered my pedal pivot bushings have worn out and gone oval, 
creating more play in the pedal.
Could this also be a cause of your problem?

Chris G

From: Jim Hearne 
Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 9:22 AM
To: Quantum Owners Group 
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

These are the details for manual clutch adjust modification but it's for a Mk3 
Fiesta. 
I have done it on my 2+2 but i had to modify the pedal to get it to match the 
other pedals.

Somewhere i have details on the Escort Quadrent mods.

Jim


On Monday, September 3, 2018 at 4:27:38 PM UTC+1, Susan and Martin Scott wrote: 
  Hi Chris,
  The complete clutch kit I used was part FINIS #5024280
  It is possible to use a manual adjust clutch off an Escort part #1029012
  Martin Scott
- Original Message - 
From: chris.quant via Quantum Owners Group 
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

I’m pretty sure the recommended quadrant colour was white.

Chris G

From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 
Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2018 9:44 PM
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
    Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

Thanks Jim



Just had a look and there was a flattened vertical lin in the carpet behind 
the pedal, I removed the carpet and sound deadening behind it. I managed to 
lift the pedal and pull the cable out fully, but cannot get the pawl to engage 
with the quadrant. 



Looks like I need to take the pedal box out to investigate further.



Wasn’t there a recommendation to replace the Fiesta quadrant with a 
different one, perhaps Escort. I think there was a specific coloured Ford item, 
but I can’t remember the details.



Chris



From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hearne
Sent: 02 September 2018 21:11
To: Quantum Owners Group 
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem



Did you reset the ratchet on the quadrant after you fitted the new clutch ?
Lift the pedal up against it's stop with a bit of wood or a second person 
(this releases the ratchet) and then pull the clutch cable inner out as far as 
it will go in the engine bay.
Release the pedal and then press it a few times, you should hear the 
ratchet reset.

You can't mix low lift and normal lift clutch parts but since you replaced 
as a set it should be ok.

I remember an issue with clutch ratchet not working correctly if you had 
too much carpet behind the pedal which meant it couldn't be pressed down far 
enough for the ratchet to be triggered.

Jim

On Sunday, September 2, 2018 at 7:49:05 PM UTC+1, Chris Fairlie wrote:



  I thought I had an issue with my 2+2 clutch as the bite point was rather 
high and it would start to slip as soon as I started to press the clutch pedal. 
I bit the bullet and took the engine out only to fine the clutch plate wasn’t 
very worn, but it looks like someone has been riding the clutch as the splines 
are badly scored by the thrust bearing and some blueing.  Not sure it is 
relevant, but the old clutch was a Motorcraft unit with the friction plate 
marked ‘Low Lift’ and a white quadrant adjuster fitted.



  I fitted brand new 3 part Valeo clutch kit hoping this would solve my 
issues. Wrong!



  Now the clutch cannot be fully disengaged so I cannot get it into gear. 
The bite point is about 10mm off the floor. I am using the same clutch cable 
and the quadrant is untouched.  



  Any ideas please?



  Thanks 



  Chris Fairlie

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RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

2018-09-04 Thread 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 
Andy 

 

Responses below.

 

From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of andyheaton64
Sent: 03 September 2018 23:11
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Just trawling my memory bank as Q001 is a prototype. 

 

Is there any remarks I have written in the build manual from Lady Q about mods 
to the pedal box? [CF] Nothing in Lady Q’s build manual

 

Does there happen to be any history that Rob at qoc can put his hands on or do 
you have a copy of the file ? [CF] There was nothing in the Quantum file about 
the build, only sales invoices for the car and parts supplied to various owners.

 

Where pressure has been put on the clutch, the Fulcrum arm to the gearbox 
release bearing isn't fractured is it? [CF] Didn’t look like it, but I cannot 
check unless I take the engine out again and split the gearbox off which is 
looking increasingly likely.

 

I am just wondering whether the pedal box needs moving away from the bulk head 
to give more clearance? Or would that have the opposite effect ? [CF] I tried 
lengthening the cable sheath by adding a jubilee clip at the gearbox end. It 
made no difference as the clutch pawl still didn’t engage with the quadrant.

 

Does the gear linkage need adjusting ? [CF] I don’t think so as I can select 
any gear with the engine off and can get in to 3rd, 4th and 5th gears with the 
engine running, but the clutch is dragging so I get a sort of ‘automatic 
gearbox creep’

 

Did both clutches look the same ? [CF] Yes.

 

I will trawl through the history files and see if I can find any info for you 
Chris [CF] Thanks

 

P.s I can pop over Sunday afternoon when i finish work if your about ? [CF] 
That would be very much appreciated.

 

Regards Andy 

 

 

 

 

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

 

 Original message 

From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> > 

Date: 03/09/2018 22:27 (GMT+00:00) 

To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>  

Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem 

 

I bought/fitted a complete 3 part Valeo clutch kit. I have to admit I am close 
to taking thee engine/gearbox out again to investigate further. I may refit the 
old clutch kit to see if there is similar free movement.

 

From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Susan and Martin Scott
Sent: 03 September 2018 22:11
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

That's a good question, that I don't know the answer to as I've got the pedal 
but haven't got around to fitting it! Did you buy your cluitch as a complete 
kit? It could be a mismatch on parts as Jim has alluded to.

My clutch has a disengagement problem (having worked ok for some 20k miles) - I 
suspect the the 'fingers' on the clutch plate have lost their strength. We had 
the same problem 20 years ago on Ford Escort, and replacing the complete clutch 
cured it. We also had the same problem on a Fiat Grande Punto we bought from 
new, after only 8k milesand it was replaced under warranty. Other clutches have 
lasted in excess of 100k miles. Anyway, on my Q I replaced the quadrant with a 
larger (55mm?) diameter one and then a new cable - I then looked at what was 
happening at the clutch lever end, and it became clear the quadrant or cable 
couldn't be the issue because when the pedal was fully depressed the clutch arm 
was only about 2mm from hitting the gearbox casing. I'll have to get around to 
changing the clutch, but must get the body painting finished (weather 
permitting).

Martin

- Original Message - 

From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 
<mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>  

To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 8:15 PM

Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Thanks Chris. 

 

After Jim’s post I removed a layer of carpet and some sound deadening material 
from behind the clutch pedal. That made no difference. So I managed to get the 
pedal box out tonight and the quadrant works fine on the bench, but wasn’t in 
the car. Is it a white 50mm quadrant part number 88AB7L353AA made in 1995 so 
someone changed it out well after the car was built. Sill cannot understand why 
it won’t work now.

 

Martin

 

This is an interesting thought, does the manual adjust pedal need a specific 
quadrant?

 

Regards

 

Chris 

 

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RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

2018-09-04 Thread 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 
Thanks Jum

 

Wow, as I feared, I would really need to find a car in a scrap yard and grab a 
matched set of bits.

 

Regards

 

Chris

 

From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Jim Hearne
Sent: 04 September 2018 09:22
To: Quantum Owners Group 
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

These are the details for manual clutch adjust modification but it's for a Mk3 
Fiesta.

I have done it on my 2+2 but i had to modify the pedal to get it to match the 
other pedals.

 

Somewhere i have details on the Escort Quadrent mods.

 

Jim



On Monday, September 3, 2018 at 4:27:38 PM UTC+1, Susan and Martin Scott wrote:

Hi Chris,

The complete clutch kit I used was part FINIS #5024280

It is possible to use a manual adjust clutch off an Escort part #1029012

Martin Scott

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To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 3:28 PM

Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

I’m pretty sure the recommended quadrant colour was white.

 

Chris G

 

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Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2018 9:44 PM

To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>  

Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Thanks Jim

 

Just had a look and there was a flattened vertical lin in the carpet behind the 
pedal, I removed the carpet and sound deadening behind it. I managed to lift 
the pedal and pull the cable out fully, but cannot get the pawl to engage with 
the quadrant. 

 

Looks like I need to take the pedal box out to investigate further.

 

Wasn’t there a recommendation to replace the Fiesta quadrant with a different 
one, perhaps Escort. I think there was a specific coloured Ford item, but I 
can’t remember the details.

 

Chris

 

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[mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> 
] On Behalf Of Jim Hearne
Sent: 02 September 2018 21:11
To: Quantum Owners Group mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Did you reset the ratchet on the quadrant after you fitted the new clutch ?
Lift the pedal up against it's stop with a bit of wood or a second person (this 
releases the ratchet) and then pull the clutch cable inner out as far as it 
will go in the engine bay.
Release the pedal and then press it a few times, you should hear the ratchet 
reset.

You can't mix low lift and normal lift clutch parts but since you replaced as a 
set it should be ok.

I remember an issue with clutch ratchet not working correctly if you had too 
much carpet behind the pedal which meant it couldn't be pressed down far enough 
for the ratchet to be triggered.

Jim

On Sunday, September 2, 2018 at 7:49:05 PM UTC+1, Chris Fairlie wrote:

 

I thought I had an issue with my 2+2 clutch as the bite point was rather high 
and it would start to slip as soon as I started to press the clutch pedal. I 
bit the bullet and took the engine out only to fine the clutch plate wasn’t 
very worn, but it looks like someone has been riding the clutch as the splines 
are badly scored by the thrust bearing and some blueing.  Not sure it is 
relevant, but the old clutch was a Motorcraft unit with the friction plate 
marked ‘Low Lift’ and a white quadrant adjuster fitted.

 

I fitted brand new 3 part Valeo clutch kit hoping this would solve my issues. 
Wrong!

 

Now the clutch cannot be fully disengaged so I cannot get it into gear. The 
bite point is about 10mm off the floor. I am using the same clutch cable and 
the quadrant is untouched.  

 

Any ideas please?

 

Thanks 

 

Chris Fairlie

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RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

2018-09-04 Thread 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 
Thanks Chris

 

The bushes look to be in good condition.

 

Chris

 

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Sent: 04 September 2018 09:57
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Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

I’ve just remembered my pedal pivot bushings have worn out and gone oval, 
creating more play in the pedal.

Could this also be a cause of your problem?

 

Chris G

 

From: Jim Hearne <mailto:j...@quantums.info>  

Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 9:22 AM

To: Quantum Owners Group <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>  

Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

These are the details for manual clutch adjust modification but it's for a Mk3 
Fiesta. 

I have done it on my 2+2 but i had to modify the pedal to get it to match the 
other pedals.

 

Somewhere i have details on the Escort Quadrent mods.

 

Jim



On Monday, September 3, 2018 at 4:27:38 PM UTC+1, Susan and Martin Scott wrote: 

Hi Chris,

The complete clutch kit I used was part FINIS #5024280

It is possible to use a manual adjust clutch off an Escort part #1029012

Martin Scott

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From: chris.quant via Quantum Owners Group 
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To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 3:28 PM

Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

I’m pretty sure the recommended quadrant colour was white.

 

Chris G

 

From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 
<mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2018 9:44 PM

To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>  

Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Thanks Jim

 

Just had a look and there was a flattened vertical lin in the carpet behind the 
pedal, I removed the carpet and sound deadening behind it. I managed to lift 
the pedal and pull the cable out fully, but cannot get the pawl to engage with 
the quadrant. 

 

Looks like I need to take the pedal box out to investigate further.

 

Wasn’t there a recommendation to replace the Fiesta quadrant with a different 
one, perhaps Escort. I think there was a specific coloured Ford item, but I 
can’t remember the details.

 

Chris

 

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[mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> 
] On Behalf Of Jim Hearne
Sent: 02 September 2018 21:11
To: Quantum Owners Group mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Did you reset the ratchet on the quadrant after you fitted the new clutch ?
Lift the pedal up against it's stop with a bit of wood or a second person (this 
releases the ratchet) and then pull the clutch cable inner out as far as it 
will go in the engine bay.
Release the pedal and then press it a few times, you should hear the ratchet 
reset.

You can't mix low lift and normal lift clutch parts but since you replaced as a 
set it should be ok.

I remember an issue with clutch ratchet not working correctly if you had too 
much carpet behind the pedal which meant it couldn't be pressed down far enough 
for the ratchet to be triggered.

Jim

On Sunday, September 2, 2018 at 7:49:05 PM UTC+1, Chris Fairlie wrote:

 

I thought I had an issue with my 2+2 clutch as the bite point was rather high 
and it would start to slip as soon as I started to press the clutch pedal. I 
bit the bullet and took the engine out only to fine the clutch plate wasn’t 
very worn, but it looks like someone has been riding the clutch as the splines 
are badly scored by the thrust bearing and some blueing.  Not sure it is 
relevant, but the old clutch was a Motorcraft unit with the friction plate 
marked ‘Low Lift’ and a white quadrant adjuster fitted.

 

I fitted brand new 3 part Valeo clutch kit hoping this would solve my issues. 
Wrong!

 

Now the clutch cannot be fully disengaged so I cannot get it into gear. The 
bite point is about 10mm off the floor. I am using the same clutch cable and 
the quadrant is untouched.  

 

Any ideas please?

 

Thanks 

 

Chris Fairlie

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

2018-09-04 Thread Susan and Martin Scott 
Chris,
I don't know what the state of completeness is at the moment, but are you able 
to put a piece of wood between the clutch pedal and seat frame in order to 
fully depress the pedal (or easier still, use an assistant)? if the release 
arm/lever (whatever we wish to call it)  where the cable connects has no more 
room for movement then that eliminates the quadrant, pedal or cable as being 
culpable.
Martin
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  Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 2:25 PM
  Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem


  Andy 

   

  Responses below.

   

  From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of andyheaton64
  Sent: 03 September 2018 23:11
  To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

   

  Just trawling my memory bank as Q001 is a prototype. 

   

  Is there any remarks I have written in the build manual from Lady Q about 
mods to the pedal box? [CF] Nothing in Lady Q’s build manual

   

  Does there happen to be any history that Rob at qoc can put his hands on or 
do you have a copy of the file ? [CF] There was nothing in the Quantum file 
about the build, only sales invoices for the car and parts supplied to various 
owners.

   

  Where pressure has been put on the clutch, the Fulcrum arm to the gearbox 
release bearing isn't fractured is it? [CF] Didn’t look like it, but I cannot 
check unless I take the engine out again and split the gearbox off which is 
looking increasingly likely.

   

  I am just wondering whether the pedal box needs moving away from the bulk 
head to give more clearance? Or would that have the opposite effect ? [CF] I 
tried lengthening the cable sheath by adding a jubilee clip at the gearbox end. 
It made no difference as the clutch pawl still didn’t engage with the quadrant.

   

  Does the gear linkage need adjusting ? [CF] I don’t think so as I can select 
any gear with the engine off and can get in to 3rd, 4th and 5th gears with the 
engine running, but the clutch is dragging so I get a sort of ‘automatic 
gearbox creep’

   

  Did both clutches look the same ? [CF] Yes.

   

  I will trawl through the history files and see if I can find any info for you 
Chris [CF] Thanks

   

  P.s I can pop over Sunday afternoon when i finish work if your about ? [CF] 
That would be very much appreciated.

   

  Regards Andy 

   

   

   

   

  Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

   

   Original message 

  From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 
 

  Date: 03/09/2018 22:27 (GMT+00:00) 

  To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 

  Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem 

   

  I bought/fitted a complete 3 part Valeo clutch kit. I have to admit I am 
close to taking thee engine/gearbox out again to investigate further. I may 
refit the old clutch kit to see if there is similar free movement.

   

  From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Susan and Martin Scott
  Sent: 03 September 2018 22:11
  To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

   

  That's a good question, that I don't know the answer to as I've got the pedal 
but haven't got around to fitting it! Did you buy your cluitch as a complete 
kit? It could be a mismatch on parts as Jim has alluded to.

  My clutch has a disengagement problem (having worked ok for some 20k miles) - 
I suspect the the 'fingers' on the clutch plate have lost their strength. We 
had the same problem 20 years ago on Ford Escort, and replacing the complete 
clutch cured it. We also had the same problem on a Fiat Grande Punto we bought 
from new, after only 8k milesand it was replaced under warranty. Other clutches 
have lasted in excess of 100k miles. Anyway, on my Q I replaced the quadrant 
with a larger (55mm?) diameter one and then a new cable - I then looked at what 
was happening at the clutch lever end, and it became clear the quadrant or 
cable couldn't be the issue because when the pedal was fully depressed the 
clutch arm was only about 2mm from hitting the gearbox casing. I'll have to get 
around to changing the clutch, but must get the body painting finished (weather 
permitting).

  Martin

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To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 

    Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 8:15 PM

Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Thanks Chris. 

 

After Jim’s post I removed a layer of carpet and some sound deadening 
material from behind the clutch pedal. That made no difference. So I managed to 
get th

RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

2018-09-05 Thread 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 
Dave

 

The car already had an escort quadrant fitted. 

 

Martin

 

I refitted the pedal box and fully depressed the clutch. The is still quite a 
bit of travel on the release arm. So looks like there is an issue with the 
adjuster and or cable.

 

Regards

 

Chris

 

From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Dave English
Sent: 04 September 2018 18:11
To: Quantum Owners Group 
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Hi Chris

 

I had a similar problem for years, the clutch bite point being too low. My fix 
was to modify the white quadrant to increase the radius to the cable and 
increase the amount the cable moved. Eventually I fitted a quadrant from a Mk3 
Escort (81-86), Ford part number 78GB7L583AC. This was coloured black (I don't 
think that means much). This had a larger radius and solved the problem. The 
bite point is still on the low side but doesn't create an issue.

 

Regards

 

Dave English

Q2-009

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

2018-09-05 Thread Susan and Martin Scott 
Hi Chris,
If I recall correctly the Escort quadrant is the 55mm black one. With an 
observer, is it possible to see if the arm starts moving when the pedal is 
depressed, or if there is a delay indicating slack being taken up. Could also 
'twang' the cable at the arm to guage if there is any slack.
Martin
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  Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 8:57 PM
  Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem


  Dave

   

  The car already had an escort quadrant fitted. 

   

  Martin

   

  I refitted the pedal box and fully depressed the clutch. The is still quite a 
bit of travel on the release arm. So looks like there is an issue with the 
adjuster and or cable.

   

  Regards

   

  Chris

   

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On Behalf Of Dave English
  Sent: 04 September 2018 18:11
  To: Quantum Owners Group 
  Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

   

  Hi Chris

   

  I had a similar problem for years, the clutch bite point being too low. My 
fix was to modify the white quadrant to increase the radius to the cable and 
increase the amount the cable moved. Eventually I fitted a quadrant from a Mk3 
Escort (81-86), Ford part number 78GB7L583AC. This was coloured black (I don't 
think that means much). This had a larger radius and solved the problem. The 
bite point is still on the low side but doesn't create an issue.

   

  Regards

   

  Dave English

  Q2-009

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RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

2018-09-06 Thread andyheaton64 
 Chris I will be over around 2pm on Sunday after work 👌
Regards Andy 


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with a 2+2 clutch problem 
Dave The car already had an escort quadrant fitted.  Martin I refitted the 
pedal box and fully depressed the clutch. The is still quite a bit of travel on 
the release arm. So looks like there is an issue with the adjuster and or 
cable. Regards Chris From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave English
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Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Hi Chris I 
had a similar problem for years, the clutch bite point being too low. My fix 
was to modify the white quadrant to increase the radius to the cable and 
increase the amount the cable moved. Eventually I fitted a quadrant from a Mk3 
Escort (81-86), Ford part number 78GB7L583AC. This was coloured black (I don't 
think that means much). This had a larger radius and solved the problem. The 
bite point is still on the low side but doesn't create an issue. Regards Dave 
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RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

2018-09-06 Thread 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 
Thanks Andy

 

I’m becoming reasonably sure that there isn’t enough travel in the clutch pedal 
to properly operate the clutch release arm. I suspect that someone previously 
managed to get the lever further back meaning that the leaver was pressing on 
the thrust bearing was permenantely (like someone riding the clutch). I have 
ordered a 55mm Escort quadrant, but won’t be here for Sunday.

 

I will pull the engine back out to double check the clutch parts and the 
release arm for any defects.

 

Regards

 

Chris

 

From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of andyheaton64
Sent: 05 September 2018 21:23
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

 Chris I will be over around 2pm on Sunday after work 👌

 

Regards Andy 

 

 

 

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

 

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Date: 05/09/2018 20:57 (GMT+00:00) 

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Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem 

 

Dave

 

The car already had an escort quadrant fitted. 

 

Martin

 

I refitted the pedal box and fully depressed the clutch. The is still quite a 
bit of travel on the release arm. So looks like there is an issue with the 
adjuster and or cable.

 

Regards

 

Chris

 

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[mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave English
Sent: 04 September 2018 18:11
To: Quantum Owners Group mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Hi Chris

 

I had a similar problem for years, the clutch bite point being too low. My fix 
was to modify the white quadrant to increase the radius to the cable and 
increase the amount the cable moved. Eventually I fitted a quadrant from a Mk3 
Escort (81-86), Ford part number 78GB7L583AC. This was coloured black (I don't 
think that means much). This had a larger radius and solved the problem. The 
bite point is still on the low side but doesn't create an issue.

 

Regards

 

Dave English

Q2-009

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RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

2018-09-06 Thread 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 
Marin

 

No slack at the  gearbox or pedal end when depressing the clutch

 

Chris

 

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Sent: 05 September 2018 22:09
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Hi Chris,

If I recall correctly the Escort quadrant is the 55mm black one. With an 
observer, is it possible to see if the arm starts moving when the pedal is 
depressed, or if there is a delay indicating slack being taken up. Could also 
'twang' the cable at the arm to guage if there is any slack.

Martin

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Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Dave

 

The car already had an escort quadrant fitted. 

 

Martin

 

I refitted the pedal box and fully depressed the clutch. The is still quite a 
bit of travel on the release arm. So looks like there is an issue with the 
adjuster and or cable.

 

Regards

 

Chris

 

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Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Hi Chris

 

I had a similar problem for years, the clutch bite point being too low. My fix 
was to modify the white quadrant to increase the radius to the cable and 
increase the amount the cable moved. Eventually I fitted a quadrant from a Mk3 
Escort (81-86), Ford part number 78GB7L583AC. This was coloured black (I don't 
think that means much). This had a larger radius and solved the problem. The 
bite point is still on the low side but doesn't create an issue.

 

Regards

 

Dave English

Q2-009

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

2018-09-06 Thread Susan and Martin Scott 
Hmm - Your thought that the thrust bearing may have been pressing (when it 
shouldn't) sounds correct. The movement of the cable will only be 10% more with 
the 55mm quadrant - Is it possible to check how much cable is pulled when the 
clutch is fully depressed, in order to get an idea whether the arm will nearly 
reach the limit (ie hit casing)?  Does the pedal hit the floor, or could the 
arm move more if the pedal was able to move more (ie bigger quadrant will help 
by 10%) if that makes sense.  Just trying to get an idea of the full 
picture... All knowledge gained before tackling the job is probably 
worthwhile. I went round in circles with replacing quadrant/cable until I 
realised the issue must be the clutch (also had the gearchange linkage in bits, 
and although that wasn't the root of the problem it was too tight)
Martin
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  Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2018 1:16 PM
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  Marin

   

  No slack at the  gearbox or pedal end when depressing the clutch

   

  Chris

   

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  Sent: 05 September 2018 22:09
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  Hi Chris,

  If I recall correctly the Escort quadrant is the 55mm black one. With an 
observer, is it possible to see if the arm starts moving when the pedal is 
depressed, or if there is a delay indicating slack being taken up. Could also 
'twang' the cable at the arm to guage if there is any slack.

  Martin

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Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 8:57 PM

    Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Dave

 

The car already had an escort quadrant fitted. 

 

Martin

 

I refitted the pedal box and fully depressed the clutch. The is still quite 
a bit of travel on the release arm. So looks like there is an issue with the 
adjuster and or cable.

 

Regards

 

Chris

 

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Sent: 04 September 2018 18:11
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Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Hi Chris

 

I had a similar problem for years, the clutch bite point being too low. My 
fix was to modify the white quadrant to increase the radius to the cable and 
increase the amount the cable moved. Eventually I fitted a quadrant from a Mk3 
Escort (81-86), Ford part number 78GB7L583AC. This was coloured black (I don't 
think that means much). This had a larger radius and solved the problem. The 
bite point is still on the low side but doesn't create an issue.

 

Regards

 

Dave English

Q2-009

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RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

2018-09-06 Thread andyheaton64 
Okay i will still pop over. I have a couple of other ideas but need to see the 
car. Lady Q was an early 2 +2 it'll be a good comparison with memory of the 
build. We can see if it will work for you.


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Group  Date: 06/09/2018  13:14  (GMT+00:00) To: 
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with a 2+2 clutch problem 
Thanks Andy I’m becoming reasonably sure that there isn’t enough travel in the 
clutch pedal to properly operate the clutch release arm. I suspect that someone 
previously managed to get the lever further back meaning that the leaver was 
pressing on the thrust bearing was permenantely (like someone riding the 
clutch). I have ordered a 55mm Escort quadrant, but won’t be here for Sunday. I 
will pull the engine back out to double check the clutch parts and the release 
arm for any defects. Regards Chris From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
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Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem  Chris 
I will be over around 2pm on Sunday after work 👌 Regards AndySent from my 
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Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group  Date: 
05/09/2018 20:57 (GMT+00:00) To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: 
[Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem  Dave The car 
already had an escort quadrant fitted.  Martin I refitted the pedal box and 
fully depressed the clutch. The is still quite a bit of travel on the release 
arm. So looks like there is an issue with the adjuster and or cable. Regards 
Chris From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
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Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Hi Chris I 
had a similar problem for years, the clutch bite point being too low. My fix 
was to modify the white quadrant to increase the radius to the cable and 
increase the amount the cable moved. Eventually I fitted a quadrant from a Mk3 
Escort (81-86), Ford part number 78GB7L583AC. This was coloured black (I don't 
think that means much). This had a larger radius and solved the problem. The 
bite point is still on the low side but doesn't create an issue. Regards Dave 
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

2018-09-06 Thread Mark 
Chris

For reference the later build manual that came with my dad's car suggested 
a mod to the pedal box to do with the pawl release that might help. Can't 
be undone though, as involves cutting about 9mm off the release and 
subsequent stop. 
Haven't got the details at hand, but can sort at the weekend if you want.

I have similar set-up and issue to that which Dave E has, where the bite 
point is very close to the floor. Which can be annoying at times, but you 
get used to it. I have messed about with the set-up and components but not 
achieved much.

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RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

2018-09-06 Thread 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 
Hi Mark

 

There was something in the back of mind about this, but I don’t have access to 
a later manual. Andy kindly lent me Lady Q’s manual, but it is a First Edition. 
If you can have a look I would be very greatful.

 

Chris

 

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Sent: 06 September 2018 16:33
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Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Chris

 

For reference the later build manual that came with my dad's car suggested a 
mod to the pedal box to do with the pawl release that might help. Can't be 
undone though, as involves cutting about 9mm off the release and subsequent 
stop. 

Haven't got the details at hand, but can sort at the weekend if you want.

 

I have similar set-up and issue to that which Dave E has, where the bite point 
is very close to the floor. Which can be annoying at times, but you get used to 
it. I have messed about with the set-up and components but not achieved much.

 

Mark

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RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

2018-09-06 Thread 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 
Martin

 

I hear what you are saying about the Quadrant, I want to ensure no easy fixes 
are left untried.

 

Unfortunately it is too late to make more checks as the engine/gearbox are out 
again. However I can confirm he clutch pedal was going to the floor. Actually I 
was hitting the Fiberglass bulkhead as I removed all the carpet and sound 
deadening from behind the pedal just to eliminate that concern.

 

My other thought is the gearbox has two holes for the clutch cable to pass 
through. I am starting to wonder if I can use the other hole which means tha 
cable will pull on the release arm nearer to the shaft so I get more degrees of 
turn for a given movement of the clutch pedal. I know this will lead to a 
heavier clutch pedal, I need to find something that will work. This would need 
a different, shorter, arm of some sort of mod to the existing one.

 

While the gear linkage UJ is a little stiff. I had no problem selecting gears 
before taking the engine out and I can select gears easily when the engine 
isn’t running. So definitely the clutch is dragging even when the clutch pedal 
is fully depressed.

 

Chris

 

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Sent: 06 September 2018 13:37
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Hmm - Your thought that the thrust bearing may have been pressing (when it 
shouldn't) sounds correct. The movement of the cable will only be 10% more with 
the 55mm quadrant - Is it possible to check how much cable is pulled when the 
clutch is fully depressed, in order to get an idea whether the arm will nearly 
reach the limit (ie hit casing)?  Does the pedal hit the floor, or could the 
arm move more if the pedal was able to move more (ie bigger quadrant will help 
by 10%) if that makes sense.  Just trying to get an idea of the full 
picture... All knowledge gained before tackling the job is probably 
worthwhile. I went round in circles with replacing quadrant/cable until I 
realised the issue must be the clutch (also had the gearchange linkage in bits, 
and although that wasn't the root of the problem it was too tight)

Martin

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Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Marin

 

No slack at the  gearbox or pedal end when depressing the clutch

 

Chris

 

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Sent: 05 September 2018 22:09
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Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Hi Chris,

If I recall correctly the Escort quadrant is the 55mm black one. With an 
observer, is it possible to see if the arm starts moving when the pedal is 
depressed, or if there is a delay indicating slack being taken up. Could also 
'twang' the cable at the arm to guage if there is any slack.

Martin

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To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 8:57 PM

Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Dave

 

The car already had an escort quadrant fitted. 

 

Martin

 

I refitted the pedal box and fully depressed the clutch. The is still quite a 
bit of travel on the release arm. So looks like there is an issue with the 
adjuster and or cable.

 

Regards

 

Chris

 

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[mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave English
Sent: 04 September 2018 18:11
To: Quantum Owners Group mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Hi Chris

 

I had a similar problem for years, the clutch bite point being too low. My fix 
was to modify the white quadrant to increase the radius to the cable and 
increase the amount the cable moved. Eventually I fitted a quadrant from a Mk3 
Escort (81-86), Ford part number 78GB7L583AC. This was coloured black (I don't 
think that means much). This had a larger radius and solved the problem. The 
bite point is still on the low side but doesn't create an issue.

 

Regards

 

Dave English

Q2-009

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

2018-09-06 Thread Jim Hearne 
I thought i had mentioned this in a earlier reply but maybe i didn't.

There were 2 lengths of clutch release lever used that match up with the 2 
cable holes in the gearbox that you've seen.
As you say, the shorter level will give you more movement on the release 
bearing for the same cable movement but at the expense of a heavier pedal.

I'm not really sure why there were 2 lengths but i've always used the short 
lever.
I guess it's possible that the long lever was for the low lift bearing 
which needed less movement.

As has been mentioned, the lever can shear off where it is welded to the 
shaft, also the bolt can shear off where the release bearing bracket is 
attached inside the gearbox/

The later gearboxes had a different lever arrangment which attached to a 
separate shaft via splines and a pinch bolt.

Jim

Jim


On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 8:29:22 PM UTC+1, Chris Fairlie wrote:
>
> Martin
>
>  
>
> I hear what you are saying about the Quadrant, I want to ensure no easy 
> fixes are left untried.
>
>  
>
> Unfortunately it is too late to make more checks as the engine/gearbox are 
> out again. However I can confirm he clutch pedal was going to the floor. 
> Actually I was hitting the Fiberglass bulkhead as I removed all the carpet 
> and sound deadening from behind the pedal just to eliminate that concern.
>
>  
>
> My other thought is the gearbox has two holes for the clutch cable to pass 
> through. I am starting to wonder if I can use the other hole which means 
> tha cable will pull on the release arm nearer to the shaft so I get more 
> degrees of turn for a given movement of the clutch pedal. I know this will 
> lead to a heavier clutch pedal, I need to find something that will work. 
> This would need a different, shorter, arm of some sort of mod to the 
> existing one.
>
>  
>
> While the gear linkage UJ is a little stiff. I had no problem selecting 
> gears before taking the engine out and I can select gears easily when the 
> engine isn’t running. So definitely the clutch is dragging even when the 
> clutch pedal is fully depressed.
>
>  
>
> Chris
>
>  
>
> *From:* quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> quantumowners@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Susan and Martin Scott
> *Sent:* 06 September 2018 13:37
> *To:* quantumowners@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
>
>  
>
> Hmm - Your thought that the thrust bearing may have been pressing (when it 
> shouldn't) sounds correct. The movement of the cable will only be 10% more 
> with the 55mm quadrant - Is it possible to check how much cable is pulled 
> when the clutch is fully depressed, in order to get an idea whether the arm 
> will nearly reach the limit (ie hit casing)?  Does the pedal hit the floor, 
> or could the arm move more if the pedal was able to move more (ie bigger 
> quadrant will help by 10%) if that makes sense.  Just trying to get an idea 
> of the full picture... All knowledge gained before tackling the job is 
> probably worthwhile. I went round in circles with replacing quadrant/cable 
> until I realised the issue must be the clutch (also had the gearchange 
> linkage in bits, and although that wasn't the root of the problem it was 
> too tight)
>
> Martin
>
> ----- Original Message - 
>
> *From:* 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 
>  
>
> *To:* quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 06, 2018 1:16 PM
>
> *Subject:* RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
>
>  
>
> Marin
>
>  
>
> No slack at the  gearbox or pedal end when depressing the clutch
>
>  
>
> Chris
>
>  
>
> *From:* quantumowners@googlegroups.com [
> mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com ] *On 
> Behalf Of *Susan and Martin Scott
> *Sent:* 05 September 2018 22:09
> *To:* quantumowners@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
>
>  
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> If I recall correctly the Escort quadrant is the 55mm black one. With an 
> observer, is it possible to see if the arm starts moving when the pedal is 
> depressed, or if there is a delay indicating slack being taken up. Could 
> also 'twang' the cable at the arm to guage if there is any slack.
>
> Martin
>
> - Original Message - 
>
> *From:* 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 
>  
>
> *To:* quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 05, 2018 8:57 PM
>
> *Subject:* RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
>
>  
>
> Dave
>
>  
>
> The car already had an

RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

2018-09-06 Thread 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 
Thanks Jim

 

Any idea what part number the short arm is? 

 

I have found on with part number 88AU7515AA, are you able to identify this?

 

Chris

 

 

 

From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Jim Hearne
Sent: 06 September 2018 22:05
To: Quantum Owners Group 
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

I thought i had mentioned this in a earlier reply but maybe i didn't.

 

There were 2 lengths of clutch release lever used that match up with the 2 
cable holes in the gearbox that you've seen.

As you say, the shorter level will give you more movement on the release 
bearing for the same cable movement but at the expense of a heavier pedal.

I'm not really sure why there were 2 lengths but i've always used the short 
lever.

I guess it's possible that the long lever was for the low lift bearing which 
needed less movement.

 

As has been mentioned, the lever can shear off where it is welded to the shaft, 
also the bolt can shear off where the release bearing bracket is attached 
inside the gearbox/

 

The later gearboxes had a different lever arrangment which attached to a 
separate shaft via splines and a pinch bolt.

 

Jim

 

Jim



On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 8:29:22 PM UTC+1, Chris Fairlie wrote:

Martin

 

I hear what you are saying about the Quadrant, I want to ensure no easy fixes 
are left untried.

 

Unfortunately it is too late to make more checks as the engine/gearbox are out 
again. However I can confirm he clutch pedal was going to the floor. Actually I 
was hitting the Fiberglass bulkhead as I removed all the carpet and sound 
deadening from behind the pedal just to eliminate that concern.

 

My other thought is the gearbox has two holes for the clutch cable to pass 
through. I am starting to wonder if I can use the other hole which means tha 
cable will pull on the release arm nearer to the shaft so I get more degrees of 
turn for a given movement of the clutch pedal. I know this will lead to a 
heavier clutch pedal, I need to find something that will work. This would need 
a different, shorter, arm of some sort of mod to the existing one.

 

While the gear linkage UJ is a little stiff. I had no problem selecting gears 
before taking the engine out and I can select gears easily when the engine 
isn’t running. So definitely the clutch is dragging even when the clutch pedal 
is fully depressed.

 

Chris

 

From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> 
] On Behalf Of Susan and Martin Scott
Sent: 06 September 2018 13:37
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Hmm - Your thought that the thrust bearing may have been pressing (when it 
shouldn't) sounds correct. The movement of the cable will only be 10% more with 
the 55mm quadrant - Is it possible to check how much cable is pulled when the 
clutch is fully depressed, in order to get an idea whether the arm will nearly 
reach the limit (ie hit casing)?  Does the pedal hit the floor, or could the 
arm move more if the pedal was able to move more (ie bigger quadrant will help 
by 10%) if that makes sense.  Just trying to get an idea of the full 
picture... All knowledge gained before tackling the job is probably 
worthwhile. I went round in circles with replacing quadrant/cable until I 
realised the issue must be the clutch (also had the gearchange linkage in bits, 
and although that wasn't the root of the problem it was too tight)

Martin

- Original Message - 

From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 
<mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>  

To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2018 1:16 PM

Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Marin

 

No slack at the  gearbox or pedal end when depressing the clutch

 

Chris

 

From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Susan and Martin Scott
Sent: 05 September 2018 22:09
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Hi Chris,

If I recall correctly the Escort quadrant is the 55mm black one. With an 
observer, is it possible to see if the arm starts moving when the pedal is 
depressed, or if there is a delay indicating slack being taken up. Could also 
'twang' the cable at the arm to guage if there is any slack.

Martin

- Original Message - 

From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 
<mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>  

To: quan

Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

2018-09-07 Thread Jim Hearne 
I should be able to look it up tonight.

Jim


On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 10:10:14 PM UTC+1, Chris Fairlie wrote:
>
> Thanks Jim
>
>  
>
> Any idea what part number the short arm is? 
>
>  
>
> I have found on with part number 88AU7515AA, are you able to identify this?
>
>  
>
> Chris
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> quantumowners@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Jim Hearne
> *Sent:* 06 September 2018 22:05
> *To:* Quantum Owners Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
>
>  
>
> I thought i had mentioned this in a earlier reply but maybe i didn't.
>
>  
>
> There were 2 lengths of clutch release lever used that match up with the 2 
> cable holes in the gearbox that you've seen.
>
> As you say, the shorter level will give you more movement on the release 
> bearing for the same cable movement but at the expense of a heavier pedal.
>
> I'm not really sure why there were 2 lengths but i've always used the 
> short lever.
>
> I guess it's possible that the long lever was for the low lift bearing 
> which needed less movement.
>
>  
>
> As has been mentioned, the lever can shear off where it is welded to the 
> shaft, also the bolt can shear off where the release bearing bracket is 
> attached inside the gearbox/
>
>  
>
> The later gearboxes had a different lever arrangment which attached to a 
> separate shaft via splines and a pinch bolt.
>
>  
>
> Jim
>
>  
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 8:29:22 PM UTC+1, Chris Fairlie wrote:
>
> Martin
>
>  
>
> I hear what you are saying about the Quadrant, I want to ensure no easy 
> fixes are left untried.
>
>  
>
> Unfortunately it is too late to make more checks as the engine/gearbox are 
> out again. However I can confirm he clutch pedal was going to the floor. 
> Actually I was hitting the Fiberglass bulkhead as I removed all the carpet 
> and sound deadening from behind the pedal just to eliminate that concern.
>
>  
>
> My other thought is the gearbox has two holes for the clutch cable to pass 
> through. I am starting to wonder if I can use the other hole which means 
> tha cable will pull on the release arm nearer to the shaft so I get more 
> degrees of turn for a given movement of the clutch pedal. I know this will 
> lead to a heavier clutch pedal, I need to find something that will work. 
> This would need a different, shorter, arm of some sort of mod to the 
> existing one.
>
>  
>
> While the gear linkage UJ is a little stiff. I had no problem selecting 
> gears before taking the engine out and I can select gears easily when the 
> engine isn’t running. So definitely the clutch is dragging even when the 
> clutch pedal is fully depressed.
>
>  
>
> Chris
>
>  
>
> *From:* quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> quantumowners@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Susan and Martin Scott
> *Sent:* 06 September 2018 13:37
> *To:* quantumowners@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
>
>  
>
> Hmm - Your thought that the thrust bearing may have been pressing (when it 
> shouldn't) sounds correct. The movement of the cable will only be 10% more 
> with the 55mm quadrant - Is it possible to check how much cable is pulled 
> when the clutch is fully depressed, in order to get an idea whether the arm 
> will nearly reach the limit (ie hit casing)?  Does the pedal hit the floor, 
> or could the arm move more if the pedal was able to move more (ie bigger 
> quadrant will help by 10%) if that makes sense.  Just trying to get an idea 
> of the full picture... All knowledge gained before tackling the job is 
> probably worthwhile. I went round in circles with replacing quadrant/cable 
> until I realised the issue must be the clutch (also had the gearchange 
> linkage in bits, and although that wasn't the root of the problem it was 
> too tight)
>
> Martin
>
> - Original Message - 
>
> *From:* 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 
>  
>
> *To:* quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 06, 2018 1:16 PM
>
> *Subject:* RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
>
>  
>
> Marin
>
>  
>
> No slack at the  gearbox or pedal end when depressing the clutch
>
>  
>
> Chris
>
>  
>
> *From:* quantumowners@googlegroups.com [
> mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com ] *On 
> Behalf Of *Susan and Martin Scott
> *Sent:* 05 September 2018 22:09
> *To:* quant

RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

2018-09-09 Thread 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 
I’m glad to report some progress. Refitted the original low lift clutch and 
guess what. I have a bite point above the floor, albeit low. Happy Days.

 

So I will try to find an exact replacement clutch kit. Also Geoff Ward provided 
a copy of the pedal box modification from the late build manual which is 
supposed to help too.

 

Thanks for all you help and advice, especially Andy Heaton who helped me to 
take the engine out again this afternoon.

 

Regards

 

Chris

 

From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Jim Hearne
Sent: 07 September 2018 09:45
To: Quantum Owners Group 
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

I should be able to look it up tonight.

 

Jim



On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 10:10:14 PM UTC+1, Chris Fairlie wrote:

Thanks Jim

 

Any idea what part number the short arm is? 

 

I have found on with part number 88AU7515AA, are you able to identify this?

 

Chris

 

 

 

From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> 
] On Behalf Of Jim Hearne
Sent: 06 September 2018 22:05
To: Quantum Owners Group mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

I thought i had mentioned this in a earlier reply but maybe i didn't.

 

There were 2 lengths of clutch release lever used that match up with the 2 
cable holes in the gearbox that you've seen.

As you say, the shorter level will give you more movement on the release 
bearing for the same cable movement but at the expense of a heavier pedal.

I'm not really sure why there were 2 lengths but i've always used the short 
lever.

I guess it's possible that the long lever was for the low lift bearing which 
needed less movement.

 

As has been mentioned, the lever can shear off where it is welded to the shaft, 
also the bolt can shear off where the release bearing bracket is attached 
inside the gearbox/

 

The later gearboxes had a different lever arrangment which attached to a 
separate shaft via splines and a pinch bolt.

 

Jim

 

Jim



On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 8:29:22 PM UTC+1, Chris Fairlie wrote:

Martin

 

I hear what you are saying about the Quadrant, I want to ensure no easy fixes 
are left untried.

 

Unfortunately it is too late to make more checks as the engine/gearbox are out 
again. However I can confirm he clutch pedal was going to the floor. Actually I 
was hitting the Fiberglass bulkhead as I removed all the carpet and sound 
deadening from behind the pedal just to eliminate that concern.

 

My other thought is the gearbox has two holes for the clutch cable to pass 
through. I am starting to wonder if I can use the other hole which means tha 
cable will pull on the release arm nearer to the shaft so I get more degrees of 
turn for a given movement of the clutch pedal. I know this will lead to a 
heavier clutch pedal, I need to find something that will work. This would need 
a different, shorter, arm of some sort of mod to the existing one.

 

While the gear linkage UJ is a little stiff. I had no problem selecting gears 
before taking the engine out and I can select gears easily when the engine 
isn’t running. So definitely the clutch is dragging even when the clutch pedal 
is fully depressed.

 

Chris

 

From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> 
] On Behalf Of Susan and Martin Scott
Sent: 06 September 2018 13:37
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Hmm - Your thought that the thrust bearing may have been pressing (when it 
shouldn't) sounds correct. The movement of the cable will only be 10% more with 
the 55mm quadrant - Is it possible to check how much cable is pulled when the 
clutch is fully depressed, in order to get an idea whether the arm will nearly 
reach the limit (ie hit casing)?  Does the pedal hit the floor, or could the 
arm move more if the pedal was able to move more (ie bigger quadrant will help 
by 10%) if that makes sense.  Just trying to get an idea of the full 
picture... All knowledge gained before tackling the job is probably 
worthwhile. I went round in circles with replacing quadrant/cable until I 
realised the issue must be the clutch (also had the gearchange linkage in bits, 
and although that wasn't the root of the problem it was too tight)

Martin

- Original Message - 

From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 
<mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>  

To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2018 1:16 PM

S

Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

2018-09-10 Thread Sir Lancelot 
Hi Chris

Good to hear you've made some progress but can you enlighten the rest of us 
on the pedal box modification that Geoff has or can Geoff post the details?

On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 9:03:02 PM UTC+1, Chris Fairlie wrote:
>
> I’m glad to report some progress. Refitted the original low lift clutch 
> and guess what. I have a bite point above the floor, albeit low. Happy Days.
>
>  
>
> So I will try to find an exact replacement clutch kit. Also Geoff Ward 
> provided a copy of the pedal box modification from the late build manual 
> which is supposed to help too.
>
>  
>
> Thanks for all you help and advice, especially Andy Heaton who helped me 
> to take the engine out again this afternoon.
>
>  
>
> Regards
>
>  
>
> Chris
>
>  
>
> *From:* quantu...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> quantu...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Jim Hearne
> *Sent:* 07 September 2018 09:45
> *To:* Quantum Owners Group >
> *Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
>
>  
>
> I should be able to look it up tonight.
>
>  
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 10:10:14 PM UTC+1, Chris Fairlie wrote:
>
> Thanks Jim
>
>  
>
> Any idea what part number the short arm is? 
>
>  
>
> I have found on with part number 88AU7515AA, are you able to identify this?
>
>  
>
> Chris
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* quantu...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> quantu...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Jim Hearne
> *Sent:* 06 September 2018 22:05
> *To:* Quantum Owners Group >
> *Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
>
>  
>
> I thought i had mentioned this in a earlier reply but maybe i didn't.
>
>  
>
> There were 2 lengths of clutch release lever used that match up with the 2 
> cable holes in the gearbox that you've seen.
>
> As you say, the shorter level will give you more movement on the release 
> bearing for the same cable movement but at the expense of a heavier pedal.
>
> I'm not really sure why there were 2 lengths but i've always used the 
> short lever.
>
> I guess it's possible that the long lever was for the low lift bearing 
> which needed less movement.
>
>  
>
> As has been mentioned, the lever can shear off where it is welded to the 
> shaft, also the bolt can shear off where the release bearing bracket is 
> attached inside the gearbox/
>
>  
>
> The later gearboxes had a different lever arrangment which attached to a 
> separate shaft via splines and a pinch bolt.
>
>  
>
> Jim
>
>  
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 8:29:22 PM UTC+1, Chris Fairlie wrote:
>
> Martin
>
>  
>
> I hear what you are saying about the Quadrant, I want to ensure no easy 
> fixes are left untried.
>
>  
>
> Unfortunately it is too late to make more checks as the engine/gearbox are 
> out again. However I can confirm he clutch pedal was going to the floor. 
> Actually I was hitting the Fiberglass bulkhead as I removed all the carpet 
> and sound deadening from behind the pedal just to eliminate that concern.
>
>  
>
> My other thought is the gearbox has two holes for the clutch cable to pass 
> through. I am starting to wonder if I can use the other hole which means 
> tha cable will pull on the release arm nearer to the shaft so I get more 
> degrees of turn for a given movement of the clutch pedal. I know this will 
> lead to a heavier clutch pedal, I need to find something that will work. 
> This would need a different, shorter, arm of some sort of mod to the 
> existing one.
>
>  
>
> While the gear linkage UJ is a little stiff. I had no problem selecting 
> gears before taking the engine out and I can select gears easily when the 
> engine isn’t running. So definitely the clutch is dragging even when the 
> clutch pedal is fully depressed.
>
>  
>
> Chris
>
>  
>
> *From:* quantu...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> quantu...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Susan and Martin 
> Scott
> *Sent:* 06 September 2018 13:37
> *To:* quantu...@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
>
>  
>
> Hmm - Your thought that the thrust bearing may have been pressing (when it 
> shouldn't) sounds correct. The movement of the cable will only be 10% more 
> with the 55mm quadrant - Is it possible to check how much cable is pulled 
> when the clutch is fully depressed, in order to get an idea whether the arm 
> will nearly reach the limit (ie hit casing)?  Does the pedal hit the floor, 
> or could the arm

RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

2018-09-10 Thread 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 
Geoff struggled with his scanner, so he sent me a photograph. 

 

Hopefully the attachment will upload with the message.

 

Chris

 

From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Sir Lancelot
Sent: 10 September 2018 10:44
To: Quantum Owners Group 
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Hi Chris

 

Good to hear you've made some progress but can you enlighten the rest of us on 
the pedal box modification that Geoff has or can Geoff post the details?

On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 9:03:02 PM UTC+1, Chris Fairlie wrote:

I’m glad to report some progress. Refitted the original low lift clutch and 
guess what. I have a bite point above the floor, albeit low. Happy Days.

 

So I will try to find an exact replacement clutch kit. Also Geoff Ward provided 
a copy of the pedal box modification from the late build manual which is 
supposed to help too.

 

Thanks for all you help and advice, especially Andy Heaton who helped me to 
take the engine out again this afternoon.

 

Regards

 

Chris

 

From: quantu...@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:quantu...@googlegroups.com  ] On Behalf Of Jim Hearne
Sent: 07 September 2018 09:45
To: Quantum Owners Group  >
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

I should be able to look it up tonight.

 

Jim



On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 10:10:14 PM UTC+1, Chris Fairlie wrote:

Thanks Jim

 

Any idea what part number the short arm is? 

 

I have found on with part number 88AU7515AA, are you able to identify this?

 

Chris

 

 

 

From: quantu...@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:quantu...@googlegroups.com  ] On Behalf Of Jim Hearne
Sent: 06 September 2018 22:05
To: Quantum Owners Group  >
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

I thought i had mentioned this in a earlier reply but maybe i didn't.

 

There were 2 lengths of clutch release lever used that match up with the 2 
cable holes in the gearbox that you've seen.

As you say, the shorter level will give you more movement on the release 
bearing for the same cable movement but at the expense of a heavier pedal.

I'm not really sure why there were 2 lengths but i've always used the short 
lever.

I guess it's possible that the long lever was for the low lift bearing which 
needed less movement.

 

As has been mentioned, the lever can shear off where it is welded to the shaft, 
also the bolt can shear off where the release bearing bracket is attached 
inside the gearbox/

 

The later gearboxes had a different lever arrangment which attached to a 
separate shaft via splines and a pinch bolt.

 

Jim

 

Jim



On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 8:29:22 PM UTC+1, Chris Fairlie wrote:

Martin

 

I hear what you are saying about the Quadrant, I want to ensure no easy fixes 
are left untried.

 

Unfortunately it is too late to make more checks as the engine/gearbox are out 
again. However I can confirm he clutch pedal was going to the floor. Actually I 
was hitting the Fiberglass bulkhead as I removed all the carpet and sound 
deadening from behind the pedal just to eliminate that concern.

 

My other thought is the gearbox has two holes for the clutch cable to pass 
through. I am starting to wonder if I can use the other hole which means tha 
cable will pull on the release arm nearer to the shaft so I get more degrees of 
turn for a given movement of the clutch pedal. I know this will lead to a 
heavier clutch pedal, I need to find something that will work. This would need 
a different, shorter, arm of some sort of mod to the existing one.

 

While the gear linkage UJ is a little stiff. I had no problem selecting gears 
before taking the engine out and I can select gears easily when the engine 
isn’t running. So definitely the clutch is dragging even when the clutch pedal 
is fully depressed.

 

Chris

 

From: quantu...@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:quantu...@googlegroups.com  ] On Behalf Of Susan and 
Martin Scott
Sent: 06 September 2018 13:37
To: quantu...@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Hmm - Your thought that the thrust bearing may have been pressing (when it 
shouldn't) sounds correct. The movement of the cable will only be 10% more with 
the 55mm quadrant - Is it possible to check how much cable is pulled when the 
clutch is fully depressed, in order to get an idea whether the arm will nearly 
reach the limit (ie hit casing)?  Does the pedal hit the floor, or could the 
arm move more if the pedal was able to move more (ie bigger quadrant will help 
by 10%) if that makes sense.  Just trying to get an idea of the full 
picture... All knowledge gained before tackling the job is probably 
worthwhile. I went round in circles with replacing quadrant/cable until I 
realised the issue must be the clutch (also had the gearchange linkage in bits, 
and although that

Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

2018-09-10 Thread Mark 
Great stuff Chris. I had just got the info on the mod from my dad 
yesterday, but looks like Geoff beat me to it.
Will be interested to know if you manage to work out how to raise the bite 
point a little higher than from just off the floor.
Mark

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