Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Radio - Full Power down when on battery?
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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Radio - Full Power down when on battery?
jdoering;527633 Wrote: Hmm... I'm very glad to hear that the radio does in fact wake back up for alarms if it powers down while on battery. But if I'm reading all of this right - there is no apparent difference to the user between completely down due to a long button press and down due to auto-off when running from battery. While I understand the conflicting goals; I think behavior that is essentially invisible to the user is a bad idea even if it solves some corner case nicely. Consider an old battery-powered alarm clock. If you throw it in your luggage with an alarm set it WILL go off in your bags at the set time. I notice that my iPhone does NOT have this feature. Maybe as a nod to keeping things off on planes as well as honoring the users wish to silence a phone no matter what. But I recall an older Nokia (6200) I had did wake up from a full power-down to sound an alarm. I think an alaram is an alarm for a clock-like device and it's much better to err on the side of firing. If they want to handle the user-intent case then add an option during manual power down where the user is prompted to disable alarms if there are any scheduled (if they don't respond in X seconds - power down continues but alarms stay active). Right now if I see a Rado with a battery and a dark screen I don't know whether or not it might fire alarms. -Jeff While it will wake up for an alarm, if during a power failure (and therefore the wireless network is down), the back-up alarm does not sound. -- Tony T Tony T's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34544 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76177 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Radio - Full Power down when on battery?
jjzolx;524902 Wrote: no power in the bathroom? That doesn't sound like much fun. lmao -- diannabill diannabill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38082 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76177 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Radio - Full Power down when on battery?
iPhone;525288 Wrote: I believe the behavior was designed to increase battery run time between charges through full shut down after 20 minutes or so of inactivity. So what is considered inactivity - no volume adjustments or other human interface? That may limit my hammock time to 19 minutes at a time. -- diannabill diannabill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38082 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76177 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Radio - Full Power down when on battery?
diannabill;547802 Wrote: So what is considered inactivity - no volume adjustments or other human interface? That may limit my hammock time to 19 minutes at a time. It would also have to include audio playback. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76177 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Radio - Full Power down when on battery?
JJZolx;547803 Wrote: It would also have to include audio playback. Hope so - have a battery on order and anxious to go to the remote reaches of my backyard with this thing. -- diannabill diannabill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38082 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76177 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Radio - Full Power down when on battery?
Hmm... I'm very glad to hear that the radio does in fact wake back up for alarms if it powers down while on battery. But if I'm reading all of this right - there is no apparent difference to the user between completely down due to a long button press and down due to auto-off when running from battery. While I understand the conflicting goals; I think behavior that is essentially invisible to the user is a bad idea even if it solves some corner case nicely. Consider an old battery-powered alarm clock. If you throw it in your luggage with an alarm set it WILL go off in your bags at the set time. I notice that my iPhone does NOT have this feature. Maybe as a nod to keeping things off on planes as well as honoring the users wish to silence a phone no matter what. But I recall an older Nokia (6200) I had did wake up from a full power-down to sound an alarm. I think an alaram is an alarm for a clock-like device and it's much better to err on the side of firing. If they want to handle the user-intent case then add an option during manual power down where the user is prompted to disable alarms if there are any scheduled (if they don't respond in X seconds - power down continues but alarms stay active). Right now if I see a Rado with a battery and a dark screen I don't know whether or not it might fire alarms. -Jeff -- jdoering jdoering's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17482 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76177 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Radio - Full Power down when on battery?
notwired;526819 Wrote: Fact #2; set an alarm on your radio, wait a little to make sure the server gets the settings, power down the radio (I don't mean powered down to the clock, I mean powered down to the good bye screen so the display is blank). wait until the appointed time and check the radio, did on anything happen? nope. ...and indeed this is what Logitech intended. See https://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15933#c3 -- peterw http://www.tux.org/~peterw/ Free plugins: 'AllQuiet' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AllQuiet.html) 'Auto Dim/AutoDisplay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AutoDisplay.html) 'BlankSaver' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/BlankSaver.html) 'ContextMenu' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/ContextMenu.html) 'DenonSerial' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/DenonSerial.html) 'FuzzyTime' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/FuzzyTime.html) 'KidsPlay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KidsPlay.html) 'KitchenTimer' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KitchenTimer.html) 'PlayLog' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PlayLog.html) 'PowerCenter/BottleRocket' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PowerCenter.html) 'SaverSwitcher' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SaverSwitcher.html) 'SettingsManager' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SettingsManager.html) 'SleepFade' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SleepFade.html) 'StatusFirst' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/StatusFirst.html) 'SyncOptions' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SyncOptions.html) 'VolumeLock' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/VolumeLock.html) peterw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2107 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76177 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Radio - Full Power down when on battery?
Seems to me an odd distinction between powering down manually and powering down automatically on battery power. You mean to tell me that if I just pull the plug out of the wall and throw the Radio into my luggage then the alarm may go off while my bags are going through airport security? Oh, joy. There are a lot of these little if you do A then X happens, but if you do B then Y happens things like this that are completely undocumented and that nobody would ever have a chance of figuring out. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76177 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Radio - Full Power down when on battery?
JJZolx;527365 Wrote: Seems to me an odd distinction between powering down manually and powering down automatically on battery power. You mean to tell me that if I just pull the plug out of the wall and throw the Radio into my luggage then the alarm may go off while my bags are going through airport security? Sure, since I can't imagine any good way for Radio to differentiate between your yanking the plug and burning battery for another 20 minutes, and your power going out. What's it supposed to do, see if the network is still up? At my house, my broadband and wifi are on a UPS, and I wouldn't bother putting a battery-equipped device like a laptop or Radio on a UPS. Ben and Tom's answer to you is to hold the power button until Radio says Goodbye (whether on AC or battery), and then you're safe. Honestly, though, are you really more concerned about Tom's taking-Radio-through-the-airport than you are sleeping-late-because-the-power-failed? Given how nasty some of the comments have been about Radio alarm failures, do you really think it's wiser for Logitech to cater to the Tom-airport scenario than the didn't-know-Goodbye-meant-no-alarm scenario? -- peterw http://www.tux.org/~peterw/ Free plugins: 'AllQuiet' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AllQuiet.html) 'Auto Dim/AutoDisplay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AutoDisplay.html) 'BlankSaver' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/BlankSaver.html) 'ContextMenu' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/ContextMenu.html) 'DenonSerial' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/DenonSerial.html) 'FuzzyTime' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/FuzzyTime.html) 'KidsPlay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KidsPlay.html) 'KitchenTimer' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KitchenTimer.html) 'PlayLog' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PlayLog.html) 'PowerCenter/BottleRocket' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PowerCenter.html) 'SaverSwitcher' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SaverSwitcher.html) 'SettingsManager' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SettingsManager.html) 'SleepFade' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SleepFade.html) 'StatusFirst' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/StatusFirst.html) 'SyncOptions' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SyncOptions.html) 'VolumeLock' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/VolumeLock.html) peterw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2107 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76177 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Radio - Full Power down when on battery?
Interesting point on the alarm. Since the Radio is pretty optimal as an alarm clock and it can have a battery you'd think the battery should also function as a reliable backup for power outages (backup alarm tone of course). If it powers down all of the way and can't do this - that would be another strike against the unit for not having obvious functionality. As others have noted all sorts of small units can stay alive for days on batteries with at least intermittent wifi access and can of course sound alarms. I haven't tried; but powered down sure looks all the way off on the radio. -Jeff -- jdoering jdoering's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17482 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76177 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Radio - Full Power down when on battery?
notwired;526819 Wrote: Fact #2; set an alarm on your radio, wait a little to make sure the server gets the settings, power down the radio (I don't mean powered down to the clock, I mean powered down to the good bye screen so the display is blank). wait until the appointed time and check the radio, did on anything happen? nope. Make sure you're using MySB or running SBS 7.4.2 and file a bug on that -- it's supposed to wake up. How early are you shutting down Radio? IIRC, it's supposed to wake up 20 minutes early (great for overnight shutdowns) -- but bad if the code doesn't account for powering down less than 20 minutes before the alarm. -- peterw http://www.tux.org/~peterw/ Free plugins: 'AllQuiet' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AllQuiet.html) 'Auto Dim/AutoDisplay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AutoDisplay.html) 'BlankSaver' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/BlankSaver.html) 'ContextMenu' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/ContextMenu.html) 'DenonSerial' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/DenonSerial.html) 'FuzzyTime' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/FuzzyTime.html) 'KidsPlay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KidsPlay.html) 'KitchenTimer' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KitchenTimer.html) 'PlayLog' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PlayLog.html) 'PowerCenter/BottleRocket' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PowerCenter.html) 'SaverSwitcher' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SaverSwitcher.html) 'SettingsManager' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SettingsManager.html) 'SleepFade' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SleepFade.html) 'StatusFirst' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/StatusFirst.html) 'SyncOptions' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SyncOptions.html) 'VolumeLock' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/VolumeLock.html) peterw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2107 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76177 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Radio - Full Power down when on battery?
peterw;526837 Wrote: Make sure you're using MySB or running SBS 7.4.2 and file a bug on that -- it's supposed to wake up. How early are you shutting down Radio? IIRC, it's supposed to wake up 20 minutes early (great for overnight shutdowns) -- but bad if the code doesn't account for powering down less than 20 minutes before the alarm. Grr, yeah, there seems to be a bug here. Looks like the SqueezePlay code deliberately unschedules the wakeup when you power Radio down. Not good. -- peterw http://www.tux.org/~peterw/ Free plugins: 'AllQuiet' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AllQuiet.html) 'Auto Dim/AutoDisplay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AutoDisplay.html) 'BlankSaver' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/BlankSaver.html) 'ContextMenu' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/ContextMenu.html) 'DenonSerial' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/DenonSerial.html) 'FuzzyTime' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/FuzzyTime.html) 'KidsPlay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KidsPlay.html) 'KitchenTimer' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KitchenTimer.html) 'PlayLog' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PlayLog.html) 'PowerCenter/BottleRocket' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PowerCenter.html) 'SaverSwitcher' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SaverSwitcher.html) 'SettingsManager' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SettingsManager.html) 'SleepFade' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SleepFade.html) 'StatusFirst' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/StatusFirst.html) 'SyncOptions' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SyncOptions.html) 'VolumeLock' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/VolumeLock.html) peterw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2107 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76177 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Radio - Full Power down when on battery?
peterw;526850 Wrote: Actually it's supposed to wake up 3 minutes early, but it doesn't do that if you manually power it down. I don't have a battery, so I can't test the auto-shutdown scenario. Bug filed, patch submitted: https://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15933 Maybe the logic is that if you've manually powered down then you don't want the alarm to fire. Which makes some sense, otherwise you have to pull the battery from the unit to keep it from waking you up. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76177 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Radio - Full Power down when on battery?
JJZolx;526854 Wrote: Maybe the logic is that if you've manually powered down then you don't want the alarm to fire. Which makes some sense, otherwise you have to pull the battery from the unit to keep it from waking you up. Maybe, but I think if you don't want alarms to fire, then you should disable them (either individually, or using the global alarms enabled option). I guess we'll see what Logitech says, and maybe I'll publish a patch if they say the current behavior is intentional. -- peterw http://www.tux.org/~peterw/ Free plugins: 'AllQuiet' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AllQuiet.html) 'Auto Dim/AutoDisplay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AutoDisplay.html) 'BlankSaver' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/BlankSaver.html) 'ContextMenu' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/ContextMenu.html) 'DenonSerial' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/DenonSerial.html) 'FuzzyTime' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/FuzzyTime.html) 'KidsPlay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KidsPlay.html) 'KitchenTimer' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KitchenTimer.html) 'PlayLog' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PlayLog.html) 'PowerCenter/BottleRocket' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PowerCenter.html) 'SaverSwitcher' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SaverSwitcher.html) 'SettingsManager' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SettingsManager.html) 'SleepFade' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SleepFade.html) 'StatusFirst' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/StatusFirst.html) 'SyncOptions' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SyncOptions.html) 'VolumeLock' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/VolumeLock.html) peterw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2107 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76177 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Radio - Full Power down when on battery?
notwired;526862 Wrote: I can't see how WOL would ever work over wireless. It's just broadcasting UDP packets -- as long as the Squeezebox and server are on the same subnet (as in 99% of home networks), why wouldn't it work? -- peterw http://www.tux.org/~peterw/ Free plugins: 'AllQuiet' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AllQuiet.html) 'Auto Dim/AutoDisplay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AutoDisplay.html) 'BlankSaver' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/BlankSaver.html) 'ContextMenu' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/ContextMenu.html) 'DenonSerial' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/DenonSerial.html) 'FuzzyTime' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/FuzzyTime.html) 'KidsPlay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KidsPlay.html) 'KitchenTimer' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KitchenTimer.html) 'PlayLog' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PlayLog.html) 'PowerCenter/BottleRocket' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PowerCenter.html) 'SaverSwitcher' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SaverSwitcher.html) 'SettingsManager' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SettingsManager.html) 'SleepFade' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SleepFade.html) 'StatusFirst' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/StatusFirst.html) 'SyncOptions' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SyncOptions.html) 'VolumeLock' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/VolumeLock.html) peterw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2107 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76177 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Radio - Full Power down when on battery?
peterw;526867 Wrote: It's just broadcasting UDP packets -- as long as the Squeezebox and server are on the same subnet (as in 99% of home networks), why wouldn't it work? WOL only works over wired network, won't work over wireless (true for the current generation of WiFi devices). The reason is obvious. Wireless device need to be connected to the network to receive the packets. When the wireless receiver is off, it is not connected to the network at all (unlike wired network). How does it receive the packet for wake up? If it can receive the packet, it is not off, it does not need WOL. -- Honva Honva's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14948 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76177 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Radio - Full Power down when on battery?
Actually it's supposed to wake up 3 minutes early, but it doesn't do that if you manually power it down. I don't have a battery, so I can't test the auto-shutdown scenario. Bug filed, patch submitted: https://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15933 Peter, could you clarify: - when the radio is disconnected from the main power, it will power itself down after x minutes to safe battery life and will wake up 3min before the alarm (even without your patch) ? - your patch just makes the same behaviour when someone pushes the power button to shut the radio down ? peterw;526867 Wrote: It's just broadcasting UDP packets -- as long as the Squeezebox and server are on the same subnet (as in 99% of home networks), why wouldn't it work? Can you verify it really is ? I tested it once (WOL is supposed to be sent 10min prior to the alarm in 7.4.2) but didn't see a WOL with a sniffer. -- bluegaspode 1x SB-Controller+Receiver (Duet), 1xSB-Boom. 1xSB-Radio Server (7.4.1) running on SheevaPlug (Ubuntu) with attached Western Digital MyBook Essential. Secondary 7.4 Server on Debianized Buffalo Linkstation LS-CHL. bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76177 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Radio - Full Power down when on battery?
Honva;526871 Wrote: WOL only works over wired network, won't work over wireless (true for the current generation of WiFi devices). The reason is obvious. Wireless device need to be connected to the network to receive the packets. When the wireless receiver is off, it is not connected to the network at all (unlike wired network). How does it receive the packet for wake up? If it can receive the packet, it is not off, it does not need WOL. Right, the receiving/asleep machine needs a wired connection. Most folks recommend using wired ethernet to connect the SBS host to the wireless access point, in which case a wireless Squeezebox should be able to use WOL to wake the server up. But, right, if the server uses a wireless network connection, that won't work. bluegaspode;526872 Wrote: Peter, could you clarify: - when the radio is disconnected from the main power, it will power itself down after x minutes to safe battery life and will wake up 3min before the alarm (even without your patch) ? - your patch just makes the same behaviour when someone pushes the power button to shut the radio down ? I cannot confirm how Radio behaves with a battery, as I don't have a battery. In fact, my Radio cannot take a battery -- it's an early hardware version (I'm a lucky beta tester). I tested it once (WOL is supposed to be sent 10min prior to the alarm in 7.4.2) but didn't see a WOL with a sniffer. Yeah, I hear WOL has some problems in 7.4.x, but I have not run SBS on a WOL-capable server in years. -- peterw http://www.tux.org/~peterw/ Free plugins: 'AllQuiet' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AllQuiet.html) 'Auto Dim/AutoDisplay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AutoDisplay.html) 'BlankSaver' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/BlankSaver.html) 'ContextMenu' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/ContextMenu.html) 'DenonSerial' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/DenonSerial.html) 'FuzzyTime' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/FuzzyTime.html) 'KidsPlay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KidsPlay.html) 'KitchenTimer' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KitchenTimer.html) 'PlayLog' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PlayLog.html) 'PowerCenter/BottleRocket' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PowerCenter.html) 'SaverSwitcher' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SaverSwitcher.html) 'SettingsManager' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SettingsManager.html) 'SleepFade' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SleepFade.html) 'StatusFirst' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/StatusFirst.html) 'SyncOptions' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SyncOptions.html) 'VolumeLock' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/VolumeLock.html) peterw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2107 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76177 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Radio - Full Power down when on battery?
Honva;526871 Wrote: WOL only works over wired network, won't work over wireless (true for the current generation of WiFi devices). The reason is obvious. Wireless device need to be connected to the network to receive the packets. When the wireless receiver is off, it is not connected to the network at all (unlike wired network). How does it receive the packet for wake up? If it can receive the packet, it is not off, it does not need WOL. Only the server needs to be wireless, my wireless SB3 and Controller can wake my servers just fine. -- Mnyb Main hifi: SB3 (soon to replaced by a Touch :) It is on preorder) Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Receiver (soon to be replaced by my SB3 and the SBR to be stuffed in a box in the attic ) Miscellaneous use: Radio (battery pack to be ordered) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to control this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76177 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Radio - Full Power down when on battery?
I might be wrong, because I don't yet have a battery for mine, but I feel like I read somewhere that even when it's completely off, there's code that will turn on the radio for an alarm. Am I totally off base? What if you just set an alarm for when you expect to use it so it's on when you get there? Or does this only work on AC power? -- FredFredrickson FredFredrickson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16584 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76177 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Radio - Full Power down when on battery?
I really think this should be configurable (like laptops). I see it doing the same thing when I take it to the bathroom (I have plugs but the point in a battery is so I don't have to drag the power cord around). What if I wanted to remotely start it? The hard power down to conserve battery makes sense but a user should be able to override. I wasn't even sure it was correct behavior (like the OP) since it isn't controlled by any UI visible settings. -Jeff -- jdoering jdoering's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17482 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76177 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Radio - Full Power down when on battery?
Ask yourself this: Would the battery life of (totally guessing here) 6-10 hours be sufficient for this application if it did _not_ power itself down completely? The big power drain here is the wifi and as long as the Radio is in standby, the wifi would run and stay in contact with the wireless network. Do you really want to charge it every 8 hours so that you can keep it ready to use instantly? Would it be better to wait to power up or find a Radio with a completely dead battery when you went to use it? I suppose it could be made configurable to shut down the wifi radio instead of powering off completely, but I've witnessed Squeezeboxes trying to re-establish wireless connections (log in to wireless router, find server, etc.) enough times to think that it wouldn't be much faster than going through the full power up sequence. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76177 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Radio - Full Power down when on battery?
Thanks for the replies everyone. A couple of points: 1. I don't see why it can't just power down everything *but* the wireless and still last for several days on battery. I've got other wireless devices (with much smaller batteries) that in some cases last for weeks in this state. Fair enough, they may not be 'constantly' connected, but I'm not sure the Radio needs to be either. 2. Agree with jdoering that it's easy to interpret this as a bug as it's exhibiting behaviour it never has before, and there appear to be no related settings on the player or SBS. Having it power down fully does present a problem in other ways. For example, I most often control my various players using Applescript, which I use to power on the ones I want, set volume, play favourites, etc. This clearly won't work with the player powered down, and I'm not yet sure if it's going to cause the script to error as well. I can live with it disconnecting itself from the wireless (even at the expense of the scripting) to save on battery, but I'd rather it went into some sort of sleep with screen, sound, wireless, etc. off but able to wake instantly. The startup sequence takes long enough as to be annoying in the morning when I go to use it. Thoughts? -- twynne 2 x Booms, 2 x SB3, 1 x Duet, 1 x SB Radio twynne's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1326 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76177 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Radio - Full Power down when on battery?
twynne;524898 Wrote: I bought it for use in a bathroom (which in the UK has no power outlets). I plug it in elsewhere when it needs charging, but planned to leave it in the bathroom unless charging. I was just surprised to find that it behaves differently (ie. fully shutting down) when running on battery. Given how long it takes to start up, I'm not sure I like the new behaviour. I believe the behavior was designed to increase battery run time between charges through full shut down after 20 minutes or so of inactivity. Personally, I like the idea. Less recharging and how hard is it to press the power button on the way to take the first morning leak? By the time one is done, the SB Radio should be all booted and ready to play. Of course the other solution to your specific concern is to move it from bedroom (plugged in) to bathroom (unplugged) and back to bedroom (plugged in) so that full shut down never happens. As for no outlets in the Head, how did you guys use electric shavers back in the day when they required a cord? Did one have to shave in the bedroom in front of the dresser or in the hallway at the makeup mirror? Woman have to use butane curling irons or blow dry their hair someplace else besides the bathroom? Back in the day before GFIs, the outlet used to be built into the vanity lighting above the mirror. Cords were required to be only long enough to reach ones neck when standing up. It was hoped that this would prevent a device from reaching a bathroom water source while plugged in as the cord was not long enough while plugged in to even reach the counter much less the sink. -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: Second Boom Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76177 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Radio - Full Power down when on battery?
As for the first point, I understand the reasoning - just wish there were a bit solution to a full shutdown. My iPod Touch is similar (with a MUCH smaller battery and a much larger screen) but only appears to connect to the network when the screen is activated. The battery lasts for weeks! As for the outlets, some UK bathrooms have a special outlet for shavers but these are very limited in the types of device you can plug in - for one by the type of plug and secondly by the max power drawn. If you plugged in a Radio I suspect you'd blow the plug. In my case, this plug is inside a cabinet so it wouldn't be practical anyway. Not sure the history, but they're very careful about power in bathrooms here! I'm sure it's a building reg that an outlet can't be within x of a water source or similar. -- twynne 2 x Booms, 2 x SB3, 1 x Duet, 1 x SB Radio twynne's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1326 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76177 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Radio - Full Power down when on battery?
twynne;525296 Wrote: As for the first point, I understand the reasoning - just wish there were a bit solution to a full shutdown. My iPod Touch is similar (with a MUCH smaller battery and a much larger screen) but only appears to connect to the network when the screen is activated. The battery lasts for weeks! As for the outlets, some UK bathrooms have a special outlet for shavers but these are very limited in the types of device you can plug in - for one by the type of plug and secondly by the max power drawn. If you plugged in a Radio I suspect you'd blow the plug. In my case, this plug is inside a cabinet so it wouldn't be practical anyway. Not sure the history, but they're very careful about power in bathrooms here! I'm sure it's a building reg that an outlet can't be within x of a water source or similar. In the UK, shaver sockets must be double wound transformer insulated and limited to ~20VA, with electronic overload cutout. (BS7671) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... SB Touch Beta (wired) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76177 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Radio - Full Power down when on battery?
Phil Leigh;525304 Wrote: In the UK, shaver sockets must be double wound transformer insulated and limited to ~20VA, with electronic overload cutout. (BS7671) And there you have it. I knew someone would know! :-) -- twynne 2 x Booms, 2 x SB3, 1 x Duet, 1 x SB Radio twynne's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1326 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76177 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Radio - Full Power down when on battery?
Phil Leigh;525304 Wrote: In the UK, shaver sockets must be double wound transformer insulated and limited to ~20VA That's plenty of current for Radio. You have to play Radio quite loud to even approach half that level. -- peterw http://www.tux.org/~peterw/ Free plugins: 'AllQuiet' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AllQuiet.html) 'Auto Dim/AutoDisplay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AutoDisplay.html) 'BlankSaver' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/BlankSaver.html) 'ContextMenu' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/ContextMenu.html) 'DenonSerial' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/DenonSerial.html) 'FuzzyTime' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/FuzzyTime.html) 'KidsPlay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KidsPlay.html) 'KitchenTimer' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KitchenTimer.html) 'PlayLog' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PlayLog.html) 'PowerCenter/BottleRocket' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PowerCenter.html) 'SaverSwitcher' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SaverSwitcher.html) 'SettingsManager' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SettingsManager.html) 'SleepFade' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SleepFade.html) 'StatusFirst' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/StatusFirst.html) 'SyncOptions' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SyncOptions.html) 'VolumeLock' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/VolumeLock.html) peterw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2107 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76177 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Radio - Full Power down when on battery?
twynne;524898 Wrote: I bought it for use in a bathroom (which in the UK has no power outlets). I plug it in elsewhere when it needs charging, but planned to leave it in the bathroom unless charging. I was just surprised to find that it behaves differently (ie. fully shutting down) when running on battery. Given how long it takes to start up, I'm not sure I like the new behaviour. I'm not sure there is any way round this unless the boot sequence could be shortened. It has to go off or the battery will drain quickly. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... SB Touch Beta (wired) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76177 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
[SlimDevices: Radio] Radio - Full Power down when on battery?
I've recently installed the battery in my Radio, and unplugged it from power for the first time this morning. Since then I've noticed after a period of inactivity (not sure how long just yet) it is completely powered off rather than 'sleeping'. In other words, it goes through the full power-up sequence each time I switch it on rather than immediately being ready to play. Is this a feature of the unit with battery installed, a software/firmware bug, or is there a setting somewhere to control this behaviour? I've had a look through the SBS settings for the player, but can't see anything obvious. Thanks, Tom -- twynne 2 x Booms, 2 x SB3, 1 x Duet, 1 x SB Radio twynne's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1326 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76177 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Radio - Full Power down when on battery?
The Radio will power itself down after a period to conserve battery power when only on battery. I would think pulling the plug with a battery installed should either leave it on or in standby. Then later it should turn itself off completely from standby. If not, it sounds like a bug. Why do you unplug it instead of just pressing off if you only want it to be in standby? -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76177 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Radio - Full Power down when on battery?
I bought it for use in a bathroom (which in the UK has no power outlets). I plug it in elsewhere when it needs charging, but planned to leave it in the bathroom unless charging. I was just surprised to find that it behaves differently (ie. fully shutting down) when running on battery. Given how long it takes to start up, I'm not sure I like the new behaviour. -- twynne 2 x Booms, 2 x SB3, 1 x Duet, 1 x SB Radio twynne's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1326 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76177 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Radio - Full Power down when on battery?
twynne;524898 Wrote: I bought it for use in a bathroom (which in the UK has no power outlets). No power in the bathroom? That doesn't sound like much fun. +---+ |Filename: groundhog_day.jpg| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=9465| +---+ -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76177 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
