[RBW] Re: New Riv Custom

[Crazy4Suki]

So NICE! Enjoy, Brad - looks like your patience has paid off.
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[RBW] Re: New Riv Custom

[Ron MH]

What an outstanding colour choice. Fire off a message with photos of
the complete package when it's done, please.

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Re: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

[Brian Hanson]

My 59cm AHH is a Waterford (stamped rear dropout) and has 3 cage bosses...

Brian
Seattle

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Anthony Castellino <
rubiconmanagem...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> This is all very good info! Trying to piece it all together...seems best
> place to start is with the Serial Number...but, where is the Serial Number?
> I looked under the bottom bracket, all that found is RIVENDELL engraved...
>
> Here is what I know:
>
> 1) Seems, so far, the 3 cage bosses are only on Toyo builds (based on this
> tiny sample, mine should be built at WF as I only have bosses on seat tube
> and top of down tube)
>
> 2) I also see reference to the Toyo Blue (darker) and the WF Blue
> (lighter)...I certainly have the darker.( Based on this tiny sample, mine
> should be built by Toyo.)
>
> 3) I als read (speculated) that Toyo made all 650 frames and WF made all
> 700 frames...My frame is a 700cc, 57cm. (based on this tiny sample, mine
> should be built at WF)
>
> I would call Riv, but without a serial number, I may not have too much to
> go by...
>
> Thanks for all of the info thus far...
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 1:01 PM, newenglandbike 
> wrote:
>
>> I am not positive that the Rivendell bikes always follow this-   but I
>> think the Waterford frames have serial numbers that begin with a
>> single letter, from [A-M] (excluding 'I') followed by 5 digits.The
>> letter represents the month it was made, from A=January to M=December,
>> with no letter 'I'.  The first two digits are the year and the last
>> three are the frame number for that month:
>>
>> http://www.waterfordbikes.com/site/company/para_dating.php
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 11, 2:22 pm, CycloFiend  wrote:
>> > on 1/11/10 10:56 AM, Anthony (57cm AHH) at rubiconmanagem...@gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > Is there any way to tell if my AHH was made at Toyo or Waterford?
>> >
>> > > I 'heard' if there are only 2 mounts for water bottles, then it is
>> > > Waterford. If there are 3 mounts, the 3rd underneath, it is from
>> > > Toyo...
>> >
>> > > Is this accurate? Are there any other identifiers?
>> >
>> > Hadn't heard that.
>> >
>> > As a single data point (with four variables), my Hilsen is Toyo-built,
>> was a
>> > 59, has a four number place serial number that starts "AH", and has
>> bottom
>> > of the downtube bottle bosses.
>> >
>> > - Jim
>> >
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>> > cyclofi...@earthlink.net
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>> > Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com
>> > Current Classics - Cross Bikes
>> > Singlespeed - Working Bikes
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>> > Get your photos posted:http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines
>> >
>> > "Maybe a bike, once discarded, pines away year after year for the first
>> hand
>> > that steered it, and as it grows old it dreams, in its bike way, of the
>> > young roads."
>> >
>> > -- Robert McCammon, "Boy's Life"
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Riv Custom

[cyclotourist]

Sounds like a perfect bike!  Happy Birthday indeed!

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Brad Gantt  wrote:

> On Jan 11, 8:18 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
> > So what makes it "custom"?  What's the design like?
>
>
> Well, it's not like the numbers are too crazy. Just built exactly the
> way I wanted it. I have been coveting a Rivendell for well over 10
> years and this was a 40th birthday gift from my family and friends.
> The bike has clearance for 42s w/fenders, long reach sidepulls, triple
> crank, King hubs, Noodle bars, bar end shifters, etc.
>
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[RBW] Re: New Riv Custom

[Brad Gantt]

Thanks for all the kind words everybody. I love the color too. It's
exactly what I imagined. It'll be shipped to me on Wednesday and I'll
be sure to take a lot of pictures.


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[RBW] Re: New Riv Custom

[Brad Gantt]

On Jan 11, 8:18 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
> So what makes it "custom"?  What's the design like?


Well, it's not like the numbers are too crazy. Just built exactly the
way I wanted it. I have been coveting a Rivendell for well over 10
years and this was a 40th birthday gift from my family and friends.
The bike has clearance for 42s w/fenders, long reach sidepulls, triple
crank, King hubs, Noodle bars, bar end shifters, etc.


Brad
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Re: [RBW] New Riv Custom

[CycloFiend]

on 1/11/10 2:52 PM, Brad Gantt at brdg...@gmail.com wrote:

> So, after 2 years and 4 months, my custom frame arrived at Riv
> headquarters. Mark is building it up today (and was kind enough to
> snap these pics) and soon it will be mine. Can't wait to give it a
> spin!
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/17053...@n02/sets/

That's really a fine looking frame.  It will be exciting to see it come
together.  I agree on the color - really a winner.

thanks for passing that along!

- Jim

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[RBW] Step-in Frame

[Don Genovese]

I'm 70 years old. At age 68 I rolled a sew-up tire and ended in the
hospital for three weeks with a hip replacement. I'm about 99%
recovered and cycling again but I now have a less flexability in the
leg so that throwing that leg over the saddle is difficult. Stuff
happens!
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[RBW] Re: Traveling to DC and Richmond

[R Gonet]

It was 13 in Richmond this morning.

On Jan 11, 10:09 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 18:05 -0800, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote:
>
> > I assume the weather that far south will be wonderful!
>
> Ha!  It was in the teens this past weekend.
> =
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Riv Custom

[cyclotourist]

So what makes it "custom"?  What's the design like?

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 8:17 PM, cyclotourist wrote:

> Yes, both are amazing looking.  It's sort of a metallic burnt orange to
> me.  Just beautiful!
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 5:09 PM, mark  wrote:
>
>> Beautiful color, and I love the treatment of the fork crown.
>>
>> On Jan 11, 3:52 pm, Brad Gantt  wrote:
>> > So, after 2 years and 4 months, my custom frame arrived at Riv
>> > headquarters. Mark is building it up today (and was kind enough to
>> > snap these pics) and soon it will be mine. Can't wait to give it a
>> > spin!
>> >
>> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/17053...@n02/sets/
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Riv Custom

[cyclotourist]

Yes, both are amazing looking.  It's sort of a metallic burnt orange to me.
Just beautiful!

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 5:09 PM, mark  wrote:

> Beautiful color, and I love the treatment of the fork crown.
>
> On Jan 11, 3:52 pm, Brad Gantt  wrote:
> > So, after 2 years and 4 months, my custom frame arrived at Riv
> > headquarters. Mark is building it up today (and was kind enough to
> > snap these pics) and soon it will be mine. Can't wait to give it a
> > spin!
> >
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/17053...@n02/sets/
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Re: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

[Seth Vidal]

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Anthony Castellino
 wrote:
>
>
> This is all very good info! Trying to piece it all together...seems best
> place to start is with the Serial Number...but, where is the Serial Number?
> I looked under the bottom bracket, all that found is RIVENDELL engraved...
> Here is what I know:
> 1) Seems, so far, the 3 cage bosses are only on Toyo builds (based on this
> tiny sample, mine should be built at WF as I only have bosses on seat tube
> and top of down tube)
> 2) I also see reference to the Toyo Blue (darker) and the WF Blue
> (lighter)...I certainly have the darker.( Based on this tiny sample, mine
> should be built by Toyo.)
> 3) I als read (speculated) that Toyo made all 650 frames and WF made all 700
> frames...My frame is a 700cc, 57cm. (based on this tiny sample, mine should
> be built at WF)
> I would call Riv, but without a serial number, I may not have too much to go
> by...
> Thanks for all of the info thus far...


Serial num is opposite of 'rivendell' on the bottom bracket.

Look at the other side.

-sv
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Re: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

[Anthony Castellino]

This is all very good info! Trying to piece it all together...seems best
place to start is with the Serial Number...but, where is the Serial Number?
I looked under the bottom bracket, all that found is RIVENDELL engraved...

Here is what I know:

1) Seems, so far, the 3 cage bosses are only on Toyo builds (based on this
tiny sample, mine should be built at WF as I only have bosses on seat tube
and top of down tube)

2) I also see reference to the Toyo Blue (darker) and the WF Blue
(lighter)...I certainly have the darker.( Based on this tiny sample, mine
should be built by Toyo.)

3) I als read (speculated) that Toyo made all 650 frames and WF made all 700
frames...My frame is a 700cc, 57cm. (based on this tiny sample, mine should
be built at WF)

I would call Riv, but without a serial number, I may not have too much to go
by...

Thanks for all of the info thus far...

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 1:01 PM, newenglandbike wrote:

> I am not positive that the Rivendell bikes always follow this-   but I
> think the Waterford frames have serial numbers that begin with a
> single letter, from [A-M] (excluding 'I') followed by 5 digits.The
> letter represents the month it was made, from A=January to M=December,
> with no letter 'I'.  The first two digits are the year and the last
> three are the frame number for that month:
>
> http://www.waterfordbikes.com/site/company/para_dating.php
>
>
>
> On Jan 11, 2:22 pm, CycloFiend  wrote:
> > on 1/11/10 10:56 AM, Anthony (57cm AHH) at rubiconmanagem...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Is there any way to tell if my AHH was made at Toyo or Waterford?
> >
> > > I 'heard' if there are only 2 mounts for water bottles, then it is
> > > Waterford. If there are 3 mounts, the 3rd underneath, it is from
> > > Toyo...
> >
> > > Is this accurate? Are there any other identifiers?
> >
> > Hadn't heard that.
> >
> > As a single data point (with four variables), my Hilsen is Toyo-built,
> was a
> > 59, has a four number place serial number that starts "AH", and has
> bottom
> > of the downtube bottle bosses.
> >
> > - Jim
> >
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> > that steered it, and as it grows old it dreams, in its bike way, of the
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sackville TrunkSack Small grid series - a review

[cyclotourist]

BTW, you can spin it around and mount that style seat bag on the handlebars.

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:34 AM, amoll68  wrote:

> Thanks Ryan. I also think it's a looker - and was inspired by other
> bikes I've seen here, Flickr, and Cyclofiend (I do intend to send
> pictures there, too.)
>
> I figured the bulldog mini would fit up front, but was pleasantly
> surprised that it fit so well in the seat bag. I had previously tried
> to get it in a Keven's bag, and it didn't really work. I don't lock up
> this bike very often, so easy access isn't a priority. I also like
> keeping the load up front as light as possible - so tools, lock etc
> behind the saddle works well for me.
>
> Alex
>
>
> On Jan 11, 11:21 am, RoadieRyan  wrote:
> > I realize this is a thread about bags but DAMN what a sweet looking
> > homer.  Nice Ride Axel.  Back on topic I have a Lil Loafer mounted up
> > front and it handles the bulldog mini lock just fine
> >
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryans_rando/3741240547/in/set-7215762175...
> >
> > Ryan
> > West Seattle
> >
> > On Jan 11, 8:40 am, Jim Cloud  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > I don't think that it is necessarily an "either/or" thing.  You can
> > > select the bag needed for a particular purpose on any given day.
> > > Anyone who is in to photography "gets it".  The photographer has a
> > > slew of bags suited to any purpose.  A large shoulder bag that can
> > > accommodate two camera bodies, 3-4 lenses, flash, etc.  Another medium
> > > bag that carries one camera with lens attached and a couple of
> > > accessory lens.  Finally (in this imaginary hypothesis) another bag
> > > that is suitable for a camera with lens mounted and a couple of
> > > smallish accessories.
> >
> > > Similarly, I don't always ride my Riv with its Berthoud GB2886 bag on
> > > the front rack.  For shorter day rides (especially here in Tucson,
> > > where a sweater and rain gear are rarely needed), I have my Berthoud
> > > GB786 seat bag (from which the Rivendell "Banana bag" was derived)
> > > which amply accommodates the tools, spares, wallet, keys and snacks I
> > > need for a day ride.
> >
> > > Jim Cloud
> > > Tucson, AZ
> >
> > > On Jan 11, 8:54 am, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> >
> > > > On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 07:34 -0800, cyclotourist wrote:
> >
> > > > > It's just a lot to be carrying around if you're not using it.  The
> > > > > trunk bag looks perfectly packed (although less accessible).
> > > > > Everything is a trade off!  :-)
> >
> > > > Stuff in a trunk bag is perhaps 1% as accessible as in a handlebar
> bag.
> >
> > > > As for "not using it," do you know before you set out on a ride
> whether
> > > > you will need to remove and carry your neoprene booties during the
> ride?
> > > > Or that warm, but bulky, wool outer jersey?  Running out of space is
> a
> > > > problem.  Having extra isn't.- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
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Re: [RBW] Re: Traveling to DC and Richmond

[Steve Palincsar]

On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 18:05 -0800, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote:
> I assume the weather that far south will be wonderful!

Ha!  It was in the teens this past weekend.
=

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wilbury F/F on ebay

[cyclotourist]

I was thinking CX dismounts myself.

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
thill@gmail.com> wrote:

> I agree that the Riv mixtes are pretty, but they really missed the
> boat by not building in clearance for the 2.3" neo-moto. How badass
> would that be!
>
>
> On Jan 11, 8:52 pm, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> > See, that is what I was thinking Dick.  Meant no slight to riders
> > older than I.  Indeed, I am sure a good number of them could drop and
> > out haul me.  But I have seen what an unfortunate injury or arthritis
> > can do to your ability to throw a leg over the saddle.
> >
> > Good to hear the rehab is coming along so well.  I can only hope I
> > remain so committed to riding.
> >
> > On Jan 11, 8:10 pm, Dick Gilpin  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Joel, you're right - "You never know when an accident or disease or
> > > something could come along."  I'm 64, and have ridden a Wilbury for a
> number
> > > of miles. Three and a half years ago I was involved in a freak accident
> in
> > > which I fell off a ravine and shattered my shoulder and pelvis.  Three
> > > surgeries later I now have a new hip, but the nerve in my left leg is
> hosed
> > > up and I'm left with a leg that feels numb all the time and a foot with
> > > limited control.  I also wear an orthotic device to keep my foot from
> > > dropping.  I've loved riding bikes, and I didn't want the accident to
> stop
> > > me from riding.  I bought a Wilbury because it was very difficult for
> me to
> > > swing my leg over the top tube.  The Wilbury is a fine riding bike, and
> it's
> > > served its purpose well.  Now that my leg has gotten stronger I'm able
> to
> > > ride my other nice bikes, but starting off is still a bit of a
> challenge.
> > > Today I start off my rides with my bike next to a curb - it makes the
> top
> > > tube about 6-8 inches lower which makes taking off a lot easier.  I
> gave my
> > > daughter my Wilbury, but at times I miss the ride of that beautiful
> bike.
> >
> > > Dick
> > > Dick Gilpin
> > > 924 Kristen Road
> > > Derby, Ks  67037
> > > dgil...@cox.net
> > > dgil...@mac.comhttp://members.cox.net/dgilpin
> >
> > > > From: JoelMatthews 
> > > > Reply-To: 
> > > > Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:22:39 -0800 (PST)
> > > > To: RBW Owners Bunch 
> > > > Subject: [RBW] Re: Wilbury F/F on ebay
> >
> > > >> How old are you, anyway?  I'm 67 and I have plenty of range of
> motion
> > > >> for a diamond frame.  So, too, did Ernest Csuka in his 80s.  There
> are
> > > >> ways of mounting and dismounting that don't require the flexibility
> and
> > > >> agility of a rope-dancer, you know.
> >
> > > > Mid-40s.
> >
> > > > When my dad retired from his medical practice in his late 60s he
> > > > started restoring houses with my younger brother.  So it is possible
> > > > genetics favor me.  But you never know when an accident or disease or
> > > > something could come along.
> >
> > > > For less than one thousand, a lovely JB painted Wilbury would be nice
> > > > insurance.  Any more than that, I am fine taking a chance on keeping
> > > > my diamond frames.
> >
> > > > On Jan 11, 4:22 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> > > >> On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 12:42 -0800, JoelMatthews wrote:
> > > >>> I was watching it under a theory that perhaps 15 years from now my
> > > >>> range of motion may decrease to the point where I would want a
> Mixte.
> >
> > > >> How old are you, anyway?  I'm 67 and I have plenty of range of
> motion
> > > >> for a diamond frame.  So, too, did Ernest Csuka in his 80s.  There
> are
> > > >> ways of mounting and dismounting that don't require the flexibility
> and
> > > >> agility of a rope-dancer, you know.
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[RBW] Re: Wilbury F/F on ebay

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

I agree that the Riv mixtes are pretty, but they really missed the
boat by not building in clearance for the 2.3" neo-moto. How badass
would that be!


On Jan 11, 8:52 pm, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> See, that is what I was thinking Dick.  Meant no slight to riders
> older than I.  Indeed, I am sure a good number of them could drop and
> out haul me.  But I have seen what an unfortunate injury or arthritis
> can do to your ability to throw a leg over the saddle.
>
> Good to hear the rehab is coming along so well.  I can only hope I
> remain so committed to riding.
>
> On Jan 11, 8:10 pm, Dick Gilpin  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Joel, you're right - "You never know when an accident or disease or
> > something could come along."  I'm 64, and have ridden a Wilbury for a number
> > of miles. Three and a half years ago I was involved in a freak accident in
> > which I fell off a ravine and shattered my shoulder and pelvis.  Three
> > surgeries later I now have a new hip, but the nerve in my left leg is hosed
> > up and I'm left with a leg that feels numb all the time and a foot with
> > limited control.  I also wear an orthotic device to keep my foot from
> > dropping.  I've loved riding bikes, and I didn't want the accident to stop
> > me from riding.  I bought a Wilbury because it was very difficult for me to
> > swing my leg over the top tube.  The Wilbury is a fine riding bike, and it's
> > served its purpose well.  Now that my leg has gotten stronger I'm able to
> > ride my other nice bikes, but starting off is still a bit of a challenge.
> > Today I start off my rides with my bike next to a curb - it makes the top
> > tube about 6-8 inches lower which makes taking off a lot easier.  I gave my
> > daughter my Wilbury, but at times I miss the ride of that beautiful bike.
>
> > Dick
> > Dick Gilpin
> > 924 Kristen Road
> > Derby, Ks  67037
> > dgil...@cox.net
> > dgil...@mac.comhttp://members.cox.net/dgilpin
>
> > > From: JoelMatthews 
> > > Reply-To: 
> > > Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:22:39 -0800 (PST)
> > > To: RBW Owners Bunch 
> > > Subject: [RBW] Re: Wilbury F/F on ebay
>
> > >> How old are you, anyway?  I'm 67 and I have plenty of range of motion
> > >> for a diamond frame.  So, too, did Ernest Csuka in his 80s.  There are
> > >> ways of mounting and dismounting that don't require the flexibility and
> > >> agility of a rope-dancer, you know.
>
> > > Mid-40s.
>
> > > When my dad retired from his medical practice in his late 60s he
> > > started restoring houses with my younger brother.  So it is possible
> > > genetics favor me.  But you never know when an accident or disease or
> > > something could come along.
>
> > > For less than one thousand, a lovely JB painted Wilbury would be nice
> > > insurance.  Any more than that, I am fine taking a chance on keeping
> > > my diamond frames.
>
> > > On Jan 11, 4:22 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> > >> On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 12:42 -0800, JoelMatthews wrote:
> > >>> I was watching it under a theory that perhaps 15 years from now my
> > >>> range of motion may decrease to the point where I would want a Mixte.
>
> > >> How old are you, anyway?  I'm 67 and I have plenty of range of motion
> > >> for a diamond frame.  So, too, did Ernest Csuka in his 80s.  There are
> > >> ways of mounting and dismounting that don't require the flexibility and
> > >> agility of a rope-dancer, you know.
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[RBW] Re: Wilbury F/F on ebay

[JoelMatthews]

See, that is what I was thinking Dick.  Meant no slight to riders
older than I.  Indeed, I am sure a good number of them could drop and
out haul me.  But I have seen what an unfortunate injury or arthritis
can do to your ability to throw a leg over the saddle.

Good to hear the rehab is coming along so well.  I can only hope I
remain so committed to riding.

On Jan 11, 8:10 pm, Dick Gilpin  wrote:
> Joel, you're right - "You never know when an accident or disease or
> something could come along."  I'm 64, and have ridden a Wilbury for a number
> of miles. Three and a half years ago I was involved in a freak accident in
> which I fell off a ravine and shattered my shoulder and pelvis.  Three
> surgeries later I now have a new hip, but the nerve in my left leg is hosed
> up and I'm left with a leg that feels numb all the time and a foot with
> limited control.  I also wear an orthotic device to keep my foot from
> dropping.  I've loved riding bikes, and I didn't want the accident to stop
> me from riding.  I bought a Wilbury because it was very difficult for me to
> swing my leg over the top tube.  The Wilbury is a fine riding bike, and it's
> served its purpose well.  Now that my leg has gotten stronger I'm able to
> ride my other nice bikes, but starting off is still a bit of a challenge.
> Today I start off my rides with my bike next to a curb - it makes the top
> tube about 6-8 inches lower which makes taking off a lot easier.  I gave my
> daughter my Wilbury, but at times I miss the ride of that beautiful bike.
>
> Dick
> Dick Gilpin
> 924 Kristen Road
> Derby, Ks  67037
> dgil...@cox.net
> dgil...@mac.comhttp://members.cox.net/dgilpin
>
>
>
> > From: JoelMatthews 
> > Reply-To: 
> > Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:22:39 -0800 (PST)
> > To: RBW Owners Bunch 
> > Subject: [RBW] Re: Wilbury F/F on ebay
>
> >> How old are you, anyway?  I'm 67 and I have plenty of range of motion
> >> for a diamond frame.  So, too, did Ernest Csuka in his 80s.  There are
> >> ways of mounting and dismounting that don't require the flexibility and
> >> agility of a rope-dancer, you know.
>
> > Mid-40s.
>
> > When my dad retired from his medical practice in his late 60s he
> > started restoring houses with my younger brother.  So it is possible
> > genetics favor me.  But you never know when an accident or disease or
> > something could come along.
>
> > For less than one thousand, a lovely JB painted Wilbury would be nice
> > insurance.  Any more than that, I am fine taking a chance on keeping
> > my diamond frames.
>
> > On Jan 11, 4:22 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> >> On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 12:42 -0800, JoelMatthews wrote:
> >>> I was watching it under a theory that perhaps 15 years from now my
> >>> range of motion may decrease to the point where I would want a Mixte.
>
> >> How old are you, anyway?  I'm 67 and I have plenty of range of motion
> >> for a diamond frame.  So, too, did Ernest Csuka in his 80s.  There are
> >> ways of mounting and dismounting that don't require the flexibility and
> >> agility of a rope-dancer, you know.
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[RBW] Re: Wilbury F/F on ebay

[JoelMatthews]

> I love step-through frames.  You don't have to "need" one in order to enjoy
> them.  Hopping on and going just seems easier on a step through.  I steal
> hers as often as possible!

I don't disagree out of hand.  Personally I think mixtes - the
Japanese Riv's especially so - are among the more sculptural of
bikes.

However, I live in a densely populated area of the city in a rather
small one bedroom apartment.  Sure, I could get a storage space, or
even keep the bike in the basement of one of my investment
properties.  But I long ago made the decision that if I am going to
own something, it goes in my apartment or on the balcony.

I already have three bikes (and hundreds of antique bike parts and
tools).  If I am going to be keeping a 4th frame around, I need an
excuse.  Moreover, as lovely as that Wilbury is, I get the sense a lot
there are lot of people out there who actually want to ride it.
Keeping it out of commission would be slightly criminal.

On Jan 11, 8:37 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
> My wife's Glorius is a
> 56cm and measures to 57cm at the top of the lug point.
>
> I love step-through frames.  You don't have to "need" one in order to enjoy
> them.  Hopping on and going just seems easier on a step through.  I steal
> hers as often as possible!
>
> I'm looking closely at the one on ebaby, but know the fun doesn't start till
> the last 12 seconds of the auction... :-)
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Andrew  wrote:
> > Im a little confused by the size, if you read the bottom it says from
> > center of BB to the tip of the lug on the seatpost is 59cm, so maybe
> > its really a 58cm. They never made a 58cm, but also it says the theo
> > toptube is a 56 which would make it smaller than a 58cm. Any thoughts?
>
> > On Jan 11, 3:27 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 15:22 -0800, JoelMatthews wrote:
> > > > > How old are you, anyway?  I'm 67 and I have plenty of range of motion
> > > > > for a diamond frame.  So, too, did Ernest Csuka in his 80s.  There
> > are
> > > > > ways of mounting and dismounting that don't require the flexibility
> > and
> > > > > agility of a rope-dancer, you know.
>
> > > > Mid-40s.
>
> > > A callow youth, in other words...
>
> > > > When my dad retired from his medical practice in his late 60s he
> > > > started restoring houses with my younger brother.  So it is possible
> > > > genetics favor me.  But you never know when an accident or disease or
> > > > something could come along.
>
> > > Yes, death could be just around the corner.  But assuming you don't kick
> > > the bucket or become so incapacitated you can't ride a bike, there's no
> > > reason to believe that in my god, a quarter of a century, you'll become
> > > so unfit you won't be able to get on a diamond frame.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Wilbury F/F on ebay

[cyclotourist]

My wife's Glorius is a
56cm and measures to 57cm at the top of the lug point.

I love step-through frames.  You don't have to "need" one in order to enjoy
them.  Hopping on and going just seems easier on a step through.  I steal
hers as often as possible!

I'm looking closely at the one on ebaby, but know the fun doesn't start till
the last 12 seconds of the auction... :-)


On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Andrew  wrote:

> Im a little confused by the size, if you read the bottom it says from
> center of BB to the tip of the lug on the seatpost is 59cm, so maybe
> its really a 58cm. They never made a 58cm, but also it says the theo
> toptube is a 56 which would make it smaller than a 58cm. Any thoughts?
>
> On Jan 11, 3:27 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> > On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 15:22 -0800, JoelMatthews wrote:
> > > > How old are you, anyway?  I'm 67 and I have plenty of range of motion
> > > > for a diamond frame.  So, too, did Ernest Csuka in his 80s.  There
> are
> > > > ways of mounting and dismounting that don't require the flexibility
> and
> > > > agility of a rope-dancer, you know.
> >
> > > Mid-40s.
> >
> > A callow youth, in other words...
> >
> >
> >
> > > When my dad retired from his medical practice in his late 60s he
> > > started restoring houses with my younger brother.  So it is possible
> > > genetics favor me.  But you never know when an accident or disease or
> > > something could come along.
> >
> > Yes, death could be just around the corner.  But assuming you don't kick
> > the bucket or become so incapacitated you can't ride a bike, there's no
> > reason to believe that in my god, a quarter of a century, you'll become
> > so unfit you won't be able to get on a diamond frame.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Riv Custom

[rasterdogs]

I'm not Brad but have a similar story 

. 

I got my custom in November of 2008. My wait time was a bit more that 3 yrs. 

I too was in the same Curt/Mark N builder transition that Brad was. 

Since I had a Romulus to ride during the wait time it was no big deal to me. 



I totally love my Riv Custom. 



-JimD 


- Original Message - 
From: "Brad Gantt"  
To: "RBW Owners Bunch"  
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 3:42:27 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: [RBW] Re: New Riv Custom 

I'm not entirely sure other than there was a long list of folks ahead of me. 
Curt and Mark were both building at the time I placed the order but after Curt 
stopped building Rivs I imagine the entire queue fell on Mark's shoulders. He 
works these in around his own frames. To be fair, Grant was quite clear about 
customs not being for those who couldn't afford to wait. Once I have it, the 
wait will be the furthest thing from my mind. At least it wasn't a Vanilla. :) 
Brad On Jan 11, 3:28 pm, Rene Sterental wrote: > Beautiful. Why did it take so 
long? 
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[RBW] Re: New Riv Custom

[amoll68]

Stunning!!! Congratulations Brad.

So, by Mark, do you mean Nobilette? If so, he's a busy man, with his
own stuff AND the Rene Herse bikes. No wonder it took over two years.

Alex Moll
Seattle, WA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Wilbury F/F on ebay

[Dick Gilpin]

Joel, you're right - "You never know when an accident or disease or
something could come along."  I'm 64, and have ridden a Wilbury for a number
of miles. Three and a half years ago I was involved in a freak accident in
which I fell off a ravine and shattered my shoulder and pelvis.  Three
surgeries later I now have a new hip, but the nerve in my left leg is hosed
up and I'm left with a leg that feels numb all the time and a foot with
limited control.  I also wear an orthotic device to keep my foot from
dropping.  I've loved riding bikes, and I didn't want the accident to stop
me from riding.  I bought a Wilbury because it was very difficult for me to
swing my leg over the top tube.  The Wilbury is a fine riding bike, and it's
served its purpose well.  Now that my leg has gotten stronger I'm able to
ride my other nice bikes, but starting off is still a bit of a challenge.
Today I start off my rides with my bike next to a curb - it makes the top
tube about 6-8 inches lower which makes taking off a lot easier.  I gave my
daughter my Wilbury, but at times I miss the ride of that beautiful bike.

Dick
Dick Gilpin 
924 Kristen Road
Derby, Ks  67037
dgil...@cox.net
dgil...@mac.com
http://members.cox.net/dgilpin


> From: JoelMatthews 
> Reply-To: 
> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:22:39 -0800 (PST)
> To: RBW Owners Bunch 
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Wilbury F/F on ebay
> 
>> How old are you, anyway?  I'm 67 and I have plenty of range of motion
>> for a diamond frame.  So, too, did Ernest Csuka in his 80s.  There are
>> ways of mounting and dismounting that don't require the flexibility and
>> agility of a rope-dancer, you know.
> 
> Mid-40s.
> 
> When my dad retired from his medical practice in his late 60s he
> started restoring houses with my younger brother.  So it is possible
> genetics favor me.  But you never know when an accident or disease or
> something could come along.
> 
> For less than one thousand, a lovely JB painted Wilbury would be nice
> insurance.  Any more than that, I am fine taking a chance on keeping
> my diamond frames.
> 
> On Jan 11, 4:22 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>> On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 12:42 -0800, JoelMatthews wrote:
>>> I was watching it under a theory that perhaps 15 years from now my
>>> range of motion may decrease to the point where I would want a Mixte.
>> 
>> How old are you, anyway?  I'm 67 and I have plenty of range of motion
>> for a diamond frame.  So, too, did Ernest Csuka in his 80s.  There are
>> ways of mounting and dismounting that don't require the flexibility and
>> agility of a rope-dancer, you know.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Traveling to DC and Richmond

[Seth Vidal]

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
 wrote:
> I assume the weather that far south will be wonderful!
>

Well mid-feb has a way of being 'odd'.

Normally we have one weekend in mid feb where the temp spikes to about
60-70F and is clear and STUNNING.

If the planets align it would be PERFECT for nahbs to have weather like that.

It's also possible it will be sleeting. :)


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[RBW] Re: Traveling to DC and Richmond

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

I assume the weather that far south will be wonderful!

On Jan 11, 7:47 pm, Seth Vidal  wrote:C
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
>
>  wrote:
> > My affable friend Weasel and I are Amtraking with bikes to DC and will
> > be in town Feb 22-23 before riding down to Richmond for NAHBS. Neither
> > of us are riding Rivendells, but I will be on a Toyo-built frame, and
> > my friend is planning to ride his stainless Kabuki. Anyway, I'm hoping
> > to connect with some of you fine folks in that area during our visit.
>
> I'll be up there from durham, nc for the show. Not sure if I'll have a
> bike with me or not - it really depends on how ridiculous the weather
> ends up being that weekend.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

[Seth Vidal]

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 8:19 PM, Leslie  wrote:
> I think you were asking Seth, but, I'm in TN, about 30 min from MSL.
> Next town west.
>

I assume that means you're in kingsport, right?

I went to school in western VA so I travelled a fair bit around the
western VA, NETN area.


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Re: [RBW] Traveling to DC and Richmond

[Seth Vidal]

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
 wrote:
> My affable friend Weasel and I are Amtraking with bikes to DC and will
> be in town Feb 22-23 before riding down to Richmond for NAHBS. Neither
> of us are riding Rivendells, but I will be on a Toyo-built frame, and
> my friend is planning to ride his stainless Kabuki. Anyway, I'm hoping
> to connect with some of you fine folks in that area during our visit.
>

I'll be up there from durham, nc for the show. Not sure if I'll have a
bike with me or not - it really depends on how ridiculous the weather
ends up being that weekend.

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[RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

[EricP]

Or like this one - http://tinyurl.com/y9dcz89

BTW, the 56 with larger tires straddles more like a 58.  So if you
think the 61 would be close, with big tires it would be even closer.

Your other idea sounds good.  It's sort of what I've done.  Although
am using the Hillborne instead of the AHH.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Jan 11, 2:08�pm, "Allingham II, Thomas J"
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> Ex-ACT-ly! �http://www.flickr.com/photos/hiawathacyclery/2596158963/sizes/l/
>
> -Original Message-
> From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
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> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 3:04 PM
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J 
>  wrote:
> > I assume one has your name on it?
>
> Not as yet, I'd like to verify that the 61 is right versus the 59 first. But 
> I'll be travelling NEARISH bristol in 2 weeks so I might force myself to stop 
> by.
>
> > The problem with the delayed gratification is that when I finally got 
> > myself to pull the trigger, I wanted it yesterday. �So now I find myself 
> > trolling on eBay for an interim "fix". �There's an Atlantis in my size on 
> > offer that would make a great errand/commuter bike -- but then of course 
> > I'd have to figure out a way to persuade my S.O. that TWO Rivs is an even 
> > better idea than one!.
>
> The atlantis is a great bike, I have a 58cm and if I got an AHH I'd have an 
> excuse to put the really silly-large tires on the atlantis and make the AHH 
> the 'longer ride' bike.
>
> -sv
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[RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

[Leslie]

I think you were asking Seth, but, I'm in TN, about 30 min from MSL.
Next town west.

On Jan 11, 5:10 pm, "Allingham II, Thomas J"
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> Where are you -- in TN?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Seth Vidal
> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 5:10 PM
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J 
>  wrote:
> > Right -- but there are no dealers who have frames, let alone built bikes, 
> > anywhere near lil' ol' Delaware.
>
> > I doubt I'll bid anywhere near high enough to get this Atlantis, so it's 
> > probably a moot point.  And -- the good news -- I just talked to Keven at 
> > Riv, who told me my brakes are in his hands and the build can begin 
> > promptly.  Only a couple of weeks longer
>
> I know how you feel. We need to start a support group:
> East Coasters with limited access to RBW
>
> ECWLARBW
>
> really ROLLS off the tongue.
>
> -sv
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[RBW] Re: Wilbury F/F on ebay

[Andrew]

Im a little confused by the size, if you read the bottom it says from
center of BB to the tip of the lug on the seatpost is 59cm, so maybe
its really a 58cm. They never made a 58cm, but also it says the theo
toptube is a 56 which would make it smaller than a 58cm. Any thoughts?

On Jan 11, 3:27 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 15:22 -0800, JoelMatthews wrote:
> > > How old are you, anyway?  I'm 67 and I have plenty of range of motion
> > > for a diamond frame.  So, too, did Ernest Csuka in his 80s.  There are
> > > ways of mounting and dismounting that don't require the flexibility and
> > > agility of a rope-dancer, you know.
>
> > Mid-40s.
>
> A callow youth, in other words...
>
>
>
> > When my dad retired from his medical practice in his late 60s he
> > started restoring houses with my younger brother.  So it is possible
> > genetics favor me.  But you never know when an accident or disease or
> > something could come along.
>
> Yes, death could be just around the corner.  But assuming you don't kick
> the bucket or become so incapacitated you can't ride a bike, there's no
> reason to believe that in my god, a quarter of a century, you'll become
> so unfit you won't be able to get on a diamond frame.  
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[RBW] Re: New Riv Custom

[mark]

Beautiful color, and I love the treatment of the fork crown.

On Jan 11, 3:52 pm, Brad Gantt  wrote:
> So, after 2 years and 4 months, my custom frame arrived at Riv
> headquarters. Mark is building it up today (and was kind enough to
> snap these pics) and soon it will be mine. Can't wait to give it a
> spin!
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/17053...@n02/sets/
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Re: [RBW] New Riv Custom

[James Dinneen]

Very, very, very nice bike. Wish you many years of happy riding. Please post as 
built photos when you get it.                                 Jim  D.  
Massachusetts

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From: Brad Gantt 
Subject: [RBW] New Riv Custom
To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 5:52 PM

So, after 2 years and 4 months, my custom frame arrived at Riv
headquarters. Mark is building it up today (and was kind enough to
snap these pics) and soon it will be mine. Can't wait to give it a
spin!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/17053...@n02/sets/
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[RBW] Re: New Riv Custom

[Angus]

It's already yours Brad!  ...you just don't have it yet  :-)

I recall waiting a similar length of time for my All-Rounder (I
believe during a transition from Waterford to Joe Stark).  11 years
later I'm still enjoying the bike.

Angus

P.S. I'm adding this color to the short list of "colors to pick when I
need a repaint."

On Jan 11, 4:52 pm, Brad Gantt  wrote:
> So, after 2 years and 4 months, my custom frame arrived at Riv
> headquarters. Mark is building it up today (and was kind enough to
> snap these pics) and soon it will be mine. Can't wait to give it a
> spin!
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/17053...@n02/sets/
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[RBW] Re: velosophy

[Angus]

I just got the same e-mailwell it will be a nice surprise when it
arrives...I typically don't remember things that long, at least not
anymore.

Angus

On Jan 11, 3:51 pm, Rene Sterental  wrote:
> Got an update from Amazon today stating that the release for this item isn't
> planned until April 2011... so we'll have to be patient.
>
> René
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[RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

[Hondo]

Last Friday I bought a Toyo 63cm. While in the house of Riv, I looked
at a 61cm from Waterford. In addition to the different color, the
Waterford-made AHH has a nicer rear dropout, stamped "Waterford".
Other than that, they are practically identical, this according to
Kevin.

On Jan 11, 10:56 am, "Anthony (57cm AHH)"
 wrote:
> Is there any way to tell if my AHH was made at Toyo or Waterford?
>
> I 'heard' if there are only 2 mounts for water bottles, then it is
> Waterford. If there are 3 mounts, the 3rd underneath, it is from
> Toyo...
>
> Is this accurate? Are there any other identifiers?
>
> Many thanks!
>
> On Jan 11, 7:19 am, Grant Petersen  wrote:
>
>
>
> > I can see how (I mean, clearly see how) it could sound like we're thru with
> > the AHH, but it's not so. Only the Japanese ones. Toyo has never made them
> > bigger than 58, anyway..and Wford has never made them smaller than 57. But
> > Wford has made many and will continue to (forseeble future, etc), and it
> > would be easy enough to have them make the smaller ones. SO: Sorry 'bout
> > that.
>
> > I agree with Jim.
>
> > Best,
>
> > --
> > Grant- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
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[RBW] Traveling to DC and Richmond

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

My affable friend Weasel and I are Amtraking with bikes to DC and will
be in town Feb 22-23 before riding down to Richmond for NAHBS. Neither
of us are riding Rivendells, but I will be on a Toyo-built frame, and
my friend is planning to ride his stainless Kabuki. Anyway, I'm hoping
to connect with some of you fine folks in that area during our visit.
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[RBW] Re: FS: brooks, nitto, soma

[colin p. cummings]

All Sold!

On Jan 10, 8:19 pm, "colin p. cummings" 
wrote:
> Coming to the end of the "stuff I can currently live without"...
>
> Brooks sprung B17 in black, twin rail, nice unscuffed shape, not much
> use on it: $75 shipped
>
> Nitto crystal fellow seatpost which is still very shiny: $45 shipped
>
> Soma Noah's Arc bar without much use on it: $22 shipped
>
> pics available on request, respond off list please.
>
> Thanks for all the curteous purchases.  God bless the RBW list and its
> fantastic members...
>
> cheers,
>
> colin cummings
> amarillo, tX
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Re: [RBW] New Riv Custom

[Jon Grant]

Holy cats! I never get tired of looking at those beautiful bicycles.

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From: Brad Gantt 
Reply-To: 
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:52:35 -0800 (PST)
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] New Riv Custom

So, after 2 years and 4 months, my custom frame arrived at Riv
headquarters. Mark is building it up today (and was kind enough to
snap these pics) and soon it will be mine. Can't wait to give it a
spin!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/17053...@n02/sets/

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[RBW] Re: New Riv Custom

[Brad Gantt]

I'm not entirely sure other than there was a long list of folks ahead
of me. Curt and Mark were both building at the time I placed the order
but after Curt stopped building Rivs I imagine the entire queue fell
on Mark's shoulders. He works these in around his own frames. To be
fair, Grant was quite clear about customs not being for those who
couldn't afford to wait.

Once I have it, the wait will be the furthest thing from my mind. At
least it wasn't a Vanilla. :)

Brad


On Jan 11, 3:28 pm, Rene Sterental  wrote:
> Beautiful. Why did it take so long?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Wilbury F/F on ebay

[Steve Palincsar]

On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 15:22 -0800, JoelMatthews wrote:
> > How old are you, anyway?  I'm 67 and I have plenty of range of motion
> > for a diamond frame.  So, too, did Ernest Csuka in his 80s.  There are
> > ways of mounting and dismounting that don't require the flexibility and
> > agility of a rope-dancer, you know.
> 
> Mid-40s.

A callow youth, in other words...

> 
> When my dad retired from his medical practice in his late 60s he
> started restoring houses with my younger brother.  So it is possible
> genetics favor me.  But you never know when an accident or disease or
> something could come along.

Yes, death could be just around the corner.  But assuming you don't kick
the bucket or become so incapacitated you can't ride a bike, there's no
reason to believe that in my god, a quarter of a century, you'll become
so unfit you won't be able to get on a diamond frame.  



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Re: [RBW] Re: New Riv Custom

[Rene Sterental]

Beautiful. Why did it take so long?
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[RBW] Re: Wilbury F/F on ebay

[JoelMatthews]

> LOTS of young and old guys on em. My wife has one and it has a
> different ride sort of, maybe its in my head, but I love em and would
> have one if I lived in Europe, or if I wasnt already happy with what I
> got. I am a monogamous bike owner, not a polygamous bike owner like
> you rich guys, so I am happy for what I have.

Mark:

Probably not so much the Wilbury, which is very well designed and
executed, but mixtes tend to flex more than diamond frames.  I expect
the Wilbury has a weight penalty.

But it is very beautiful.  The lines are like sculpture.  The JB paint
job really pulls out the lug and frame details.

I have a camping bike, a city bike, and a 650B (rando style, I
suppose, but I do not ride organized rando or brevet) road bike on the
way.  Otherwise, I have no issues riding a mixte.

On Jan 11, 4:54 pm, Mark  wrote:
> You do not have to be an old guy to ride a mixte. They just are kind
> of sissy to some guys, but only here in America. In europe you see

>
> I will to admit that I didnt get the LARGE SIZE, when I read it, and
> that will definatley thin the herd.
> But they are really nice Japanese frames and the color is nice.
>
> Thats all folks!
>
> Surf
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[RBW] Re: Wilbury F/F on ebay

[JoelMatthews]

> How old are you, anyway?  I'm 67 and I have plenty of range of motion
> for a diamond frame.  So, too, did Ernest Csuka in his 80s.  There are
> ways of mounting and dismounting that don't require the flexibility and
> agility of a rope-dancer, you know.

Mid-40s.

When my dad retired from his medical practice in his late 60s he
started restoring houses with my younger brother.  So it is possible
genetics favor me.  But you never know when an accident or disease or
something could come along.

For less than one thousand, a lovely JB painted Wilbury would be nice
insurance.  Any more than that, I am fine taking a chance on keeping
my diamond frames.

On Jan 11, 4:22 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 12:42 -0800, JoelMatthews wrote:
> > I was watching it under a theory that perhaps 15 years from now my
> > range of motion may decrease to the point where I would want a Mixte.
>
> How old are you, anyway?  I'm 67 and I have plenty of range of motion
> for a diamond frame.  So, too, did Ernest Csuka in his 80s.  There are
> ways of mounting and dismounting that don't require the flexibility and
> agility of a rope-dancer, you know.
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[RBW] Re: New Riv Custom

[Brad Gantt]

Thanks. The color is Cinnamon Pearl (HOK PBC48). JB was great in
helping get exactly what I wanted.

Brad

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[RBW] Re: New Riv Custom

[Mark]

Pretty bike Brad! Worth the wait!
I have always felt that the Custom Head badge is the nicest of all the
Riv Badges

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Re: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

[Seth Vidal]

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 5:51 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J
 wrote:
> Not TOO far from Renaissance Bikes?
>

about 3->3.5 hours. I'm going up that way in the next couple of weeks
and I hope to be able to drop by. However, as far as I know
Renaissance carries only the sam and betty, both fine bikes, but their
sizing is a good bit different than the hilsen.


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[RBW] Re: New Riv Custom

[reynoldslugs]

Beautiful.  How do you call that particular orange?

On Jan 11, 2:52 pm, Brad Gantt  wrote:
> So, after 2 years and 4 months, my custom frame arrived at Riv
> headquarters. Mark is building it up today (and was kind enough to
> snap these pics) and soon it will be mine. Can't wait to give it a
> spin!
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/17053...@n02/sets/
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[RBW] Re: Wilbury F/F on ebay

[Mark]

You do not have to be an old guy to ride a mixte. They just are kind
of sissy to some guys, but only here in America. In europe you see
LOTS of young and old guys on em. My wife has one and it has a
different ride sort of, maybe its in my head, but I love em and would
have one if I lived in Europe, or if I wasnt already happy with what I
got. I am a monogamous bike owner, not a polygamous bike owner like
you rich guys, so I am happy for what I have.

I will to admit that I didnt get the LARGE SIZE, when I read it, and
that will definatley thin the herd.
But they are really nice Japanese frames and the color is nice.

Thats all folks!

Surf
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[RBW] New Riv Custom

[Brad Gantt]

So, after 2 years and 4 months, my custom frame arrived at Riv
headquarters. Mark is building it up today (and was kind enough to
snap these pics) and soon it will be mine. Can't wait to give it a
spin!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/17053...@n02/sets/
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RE: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Not TOO far from Renaissance Bikes? 

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Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J 
 wrote:
> Where are you -- in TN?
>

Durham, NC

-sv


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Re: [RBW] Re: Wilbury F/F on ebay

[Steve Palincsar]

On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 12:42 -0800, JoelMatthews wrote:
> I was watching it under a theory that perhaps 15 years from now my
> range of motion may decrease to the point where I would want a Mixte.

How old are you, anyway?  I'm 67 and I have plenty of range of motion
for a diamond frame.  So, too, did Ernest Csuka in his 80s.  There are
ways of mounting and dismounting that don't require the flexibility and
agility of a rope-dancer, you know.





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[RBW] savannah georgia bike shop

[Dave S.]

Hello All,

My brother-in-law is looking for a good bike shop in Savannah,
Georgia. His K-Mart mountain bike isn't cutting it for his commute to
work as an attorney. Of course, his budget is low and he's looking for
a used bike. Any suggestions? Anyone know of any reputable shops in
the area, particularly ones that sell used bikes?

_daphid
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Re: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

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On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J
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> Where are you -- in TN?
>

Durham, NC

-sv
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RE: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Where are you -- in TN? 

-Original Message-
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[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Seth Vidal
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To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J 
 wrote:
> Right -- but there are no dealers who have frames, let alone built bikes, 
> anywhere near lil' ol' Delaware.
>
> I doubt I'll bid anywhere near high enough to get this Atlantis, so it's 
> probably a moot point.  And -- the good news -- I just talked to Keven at 
> Riv, who told me my brakes are in his hands and the build can begin promptly. 
>  Only a couple of weeks longer


I know how you feel. We need to start a support group:
East Coasters with limited access to RBW

ECWLARBW

really ROLLS off the tongue.

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Re: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

[Seth Vidal]

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J
 wrote:
> Right -- but there are no dealers who have frames, let alone built bikes, 
> anywhere near lil' ol' Delaware.
>
> I doubt I'll bid anywhere near high enough to get this Atlantis, so it's 
> probably a moot point.  And -- the good news -- I just talked to Keven at 
> Riv, who told me my brakes are in his hands and the build can begin promptly. 
>  Only a couple of weeks longer


I know how you feel. We need to start a support group:
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ECWLARBW

really ROLLS off the tongue.

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RE: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Right -- but there are no dealers who have frames, let alone built bikes, 
anywhere near lil' ol' Delaware.

I doubt I'll bid anywhere near high enough to get this Atlantis, so it's 
probably a moot point.  And -- the good news -- I just talked to Keven at Riv, 
who told me my brakes are in his hands and the build can begin promptly.  Only 
a couple of weeks longer 

-Original Message-
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[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Seth Vidal
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 4:58 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J 
 wrote:
> Re your Atlantis, how does the 58cm fit?  What's your PBH?  The Atlantis I'm 
> looking at is a 61cm, which is the size Hilsen Keven put me on, but I worry 
> that with the fat tires the 61cm Atlantis might be hard to straddle.
>

See, this is exactly my problem. On the 58cm atlantis I'm fine. It's comfy, I 
can ride for a long time w/o any pain.  but I'm at the top end of a 
nitto deluxe stem and that seems like I may have gone too small.

But if I put 42 or 45mm tires on it it's getting more and more snug. I think a 
set of 60mm tires would make things even more snug. This is why I'd want to try 
out a 59cm and a 61cm. Given my pbh (which seems to get higher everytime I 
measure it)  I'd probably hit a 60cm almost perfect but probably the best way 
to know is try all of them out.

-sv


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Re: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

[Seth Vidal]

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J
 wrote:
> Re your Atlantis, how does the 58cm fit?  What's your PBH?  The Atlantis I'm 
> looking at is a 61cm, which is the size Hilsen Keven put me on, but I worry 
> that with the fat tires the 61cm Atlantis might be hard to straddle.
>

See, this is exactly my problem. On the 58cm atlantis I'm fine. It's
comfy, I can ride for a long time w/o any pain.  but I'm at
the top end of a nitto deluxe stem and that seems like I may have gone
too small.

But if I put 42 or 45mm tires on it it's getting more and more snug. I
think a set of 60mm tires would make things even more snug. This is
why I'd want to try out a 59cm and a 61cm. Given my pbh (which seems
to get higher everytime I measure it)  I'd probably hit a 60cm almost
perfect but probably the best way to know is try all of them out.

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RE: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Re your Atlantis, how does the 58cm fit?  What's your PBH?  The Atlantis I'm 
looking at is a 61cm, which is the size Hilsen Keven put me on, but I worry 
that with the fat tires the 61cm Atlantis might be hard to straddle. 

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On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J 
 wrote:
> I assume one has your name on it?

Not as yet, I'd like to verify that the 61 is right versus the 59 first. But 
I'll be travelling NEARISH bristol in 2 weeks so I might force myself to stop 
by.



> The problem with the delayed gratification is that when I finally got myself 
> to pull the trigger, I wanted it yesterday.  So now I find myself trolling on 
> eBay for an interim "fix".  There's an Atlantis in my size on offer that 
> would make a great errand/commuter bike -- but then of course I'd have to 
> figure out a way to persuade my S.O. that TWO Rivs is an even better idea 
> than one!.

The atlantis is a great bike, I have a 58cm and if I got an AHH I'd have an 
excuse to put the really silly-large tires on the atlantis and make the AHH the 
'longer ride' bike.


-sv


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Re: [RBW] velosophy

[Rene Sterental]

Got an update from Amazon today stating that the release for this item isn't
planned until April 2011... so we'll have to be patient.

René
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[RBW] Re: wtb: moustache bar

[sean]

Sarah or Justin,
I am interested in a moustache bar too. 26.0 clamp size. Please e-mail
me if you still have one you're willing to part with.

Thanks,
Sean
Austin, TX

       
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[RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

[frank_a]

 The easy way to tell is by the rear dropouts. The Waterford dropout
is very distinct style and it clearly has WATERFORD stamped on it. The
serial number sequence is consistent with all Waterford built frames.
My 59cm Waterford AHH had mounts for only two bottles.
 - Frank

On Jan 11, 1:56 pm, "Anthony (57cm AHH)" 
wrote:
> Is there any way to tell if my AHH was made at Toyo or Waterford?
>
> I 'heard' if there are only 2 mounts for water bottles, then it is
> Waterford. If there are 3 mounts, the 3rd underneath, it is from
> Toyo...
>
> Is this accurate? Are there any other identifiers?
>
> Many thanks!
>
> On Jan 11, 7:19 am, Grant Petersen  wrote:
>
>
>
> > I can see how (I mean, clearly see how) it could sound like we're thru with
> > the AHH, but it's not so. Only the Japanese ones. Toyo has never made them
> > bigger than 58, anyway..and Wford has never made them smaller than 57. But
> > Wford has made many and will continue to (forseeble future, etc), and it
> > would be easy enough to have them make the smaller ones. SO: Sorry 'bout
> > that.
>
> > I agree with Jim.
>
> > Best,
>
> > --
> > Grant
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[RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

[Leslie]

I've ridden one of the built 61" AHH's there, beautiful bike!
That's where my 60" Ram is on layaway at the moment, getting closer to
getting it




On Jan 11, 2:55 pm, Seth Vidal  wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J
> Then I again I just recently talked to the folks at Mountain Sports
> Ltd in bristol, tn and they have 2 61cm AHH in stock just waiting to
> be bought/built.
>
> -sv
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[RBW] Re: Check out new rivbike blog post

[bfd]

On Jan 11, 6:46 am, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 06:43 -0800, jpp wrote:
> > The soma/riv looks really nice and unique.  I think it will be
> > successful.  To me things have shifted a little in the past few years
> > and if riv did the Bleriot with QBP now instead of a few years ago, it
> > would probably be more successful.  I only say this because it is more
> > common to walk into a bike shop today and see a surly, salsa or
> > something made out of steel.
>
> The QBP Bleriot was plenty successful.  It was discontinued because
> Grant did not like the way e-tailers were undercutting the retail price.

Is this Soma/Riv is going to be sold thru Merry Sales or Riv or both?
If thru Merry Sales, then I wonder how Grant is going to keep shops/e-
tailers from undercutting the retail price?
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Re: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

[Rene Sterental]

When I bought my 61cm AHH in September, I was also offered the choice of
Toyo or Waterford. I chose the Waterford one just because I liked the
lighter colored blue better. As far as I know, the color is a sure give-away
of the origin of the bike. Ligher blue = Waterford, darker blue = Toyo.
There may be additional details as expressed above.

René
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[RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

[newenglandbike]

I am not positive that the Rivendell bikes always follow this-   but I
think the Waterford frames have serial numbers that begin with a
single letter, from [A-M] (excluding 'I') followed by 5 digits.The
letter represents the month it was made, from A=January to M=December,
with no letter 'I'.  The first two digits are the year and the last
three are the frame number for that month:

http://www.waterfordbikes.com/site/company/para_dating.php



On Jan 11, 2:22 pm, CycloFiend  wrote:
> on 1/11/10 10:56 AM, Anthony (57cm AHH) at rubiconmanagem...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Is there any way to tell if my AHH was made at Toyo or Waterford?
>
> > I 'heard' if there are only 2 mounts for water bottles, then it is
> > Waterford. If there are 3 mounts, the 3rd underneath, it is from
> > Toyo...
>
> > Is this accurate? Are there any other identifiers?
>
> Hadn't heard that.
>
> As a single data point (with four variables), my Hilsen is Toyo-built, was a
> 59, has a four number place serial number that starts "AH", and has bottom
> of the downtube bottle bosses.
>
> - Jim
>
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> that steered it, and as it grows old it dreams, in its bike way, of the
> young roads."
>
> -- Robert McCammon, "Boy's Life"
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Re: [RBW] Re: Wilbury F/F on ebay

[Bruce]

I rechecked my PBH, believe me. The bike is still too tall for me...




From: Mark 
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Sent: Mon, January 11, 2010 1:26:31 PM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Wilbury F/F on ebay



I cant believe their is only ONE bid for this 2700.00 plus frame on
ebay. I would buy it if I was rich like the rest of you guys on this
blog.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Wilbury F/F on ebay

[Seth Vidal]

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 3:42 PM, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> I was watching it under a theory that perhaps 15 years from now my
> range of motion may decrease to the point where I would want a Mixte.
> Now that someone is bidding (and presumably others will join in
> tomorrow) I am backing off.  It is one thing to pay under a grand for
> a bike to keep it on ice.  Another altogether to pay two bills (which
> I think this may end up going for).

Amusingly this is EXACTLY my progress of thoughts, too. :)



> So if the day ever comes, it will be back to the custom builders for
> me.

Or order an yves gomez now for $1200 and hang it in the attic.

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[RBW] Re: Wilbury F/F on ebay

[JoelMatthews]

I was watching it under a theory that perhaps 15 years from now my
range of motion may decrease to the point where I would want a Mixte.
Now that someone is bidding (and presumably others will join in
tomorrow) I am backing off.  It is one thing to pay under a grand for
a bike to keep it on ice.  Another altogether to pay two bills (which
I think this may end up going for).

So if the day ever comes, it will be back to the custom builders for
me.

On Jan 11, 1:42 pm, Seth Vidal  wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
>
>  wrote:
> > The mixtes, they ain't for everybody...
>
> > (I like them though, and suggested this for a friend who has some
> > range of motion issues)
>
> I agree. There is one in my house already and another one coming but
> neither of them are riv's. I looked hard at this one and for what it
> is I think I'd be better off getting a betty/yves and springing for
> the extra paint job, then I get the specific color I want.
>
> Hope someone enjoys it and if they get it for $950 - even better for them.
>
> -sv
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Re: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

[Seth Vidal]

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J
 wrote:
> Ex-ACT-ly!  http://www.flickr.com/photos/hiawathacyclery/2596158963/sizes/l/
>

something along those lines, yes. :)

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RE: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Ex-ACT-ly!  http://www.flickr.com/photos/hiawathacyclery/2596158963/sizes/l/ 

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To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
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On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J 
 wrote:
> I assume one has your name on it?

Not as yet, I'd like to verify that the 61 is right versus the 59 first. But 
I'll be travelling NEARISH bristol in 2 weeks so I might force myself to stop 
by.



> The problem with the delayed gratification is that when I finally got myself 
> to pull the trigger, I wanted it yesterday.  So now I find myself trolling on 
> eBay for an interim "fix".  There's an Atlantis in my size on offer that 
> would make a great errand/commuter bike -- but then of course I'd have to 
> figure out a way to persuade my S.O. that TWO Rivs is an even better idea 
> than one!.

The atlantis is a great bike, I have a 58cm and if I got an AHH I'd have an 
excuse to put the really silly-large tires on the atlantis and make the AHH the 
'longer ride' bike.


-sv


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Re: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

[Seth Vidal]

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J
 wrote:
> I assume one has your name on it?

Not as yet, I'd like to verify that the 61 is right versus the 59
first. But I'll be travelling NEARISH bristol in 2 weeks so I might
force myself to stop by.



> The problem with the delayed gratification is that when I finally got myself 
> to pull the trigger, I wanted it yesterday.  So now I find myself trolling on 
> eBay for an interim "fix".  There's an Atlantis in my size on offer that 
> would make a great errand/commuter bike -- but then of course I'd have to 
> figure out a way to persuade my S.O. that TWO Rivs is an even better idea 
> than one!.

The atlantis is a great bike, I have a 58cm and if I got an AHH I'd
have an excuse to put the really silly-large tires on the atlantis and
make the AHH the 'longer ride' bike.


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RE: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

I assume one has your name on it?

The problem with the delayed gratification is that when I finally got myself to 
pull the trigger, I wanted it yesterday.  So now I find myself trolling on eBay 
for an interim "fix".  There's an Atlantis in my size on offer that would make 
a great errand/commuter bike -- but then of course I'd have to figure out a way 
to persuade my S.O. that TWO Rivs is an even better idea than one!.

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Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J 
 wrote:
> Broken polishing machines?
>

No - I mean a bike taking a couple of months. It does keep a certain amount of 
'impulse buy' out of it.

Then I again I just recently talked to the folks at Mountain Sports Ltd in 
bristol, tn and they have 2 61cm AHH in stock just waiting to be bought/built.

-sv


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Re: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

[Seth Vidal]

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J
 wrote:
> Broken polishing machines?
>

No - I mean a bike taking a couple of months. It does keep a certain
amount of 'impulse buy' out of it.

Then I again I just recently talked to the folks at Mountain Sports
Ltd in bristol, tn and they have 2 61cm AHH in stock just waiting to
be bought/built.

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RE: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Broken polishing machines? 

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On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J 
 wrote:
> I ordered an AHH 61cm in November, and Keven told me I had my choice 
> of Toyo or Waterford.  We debated pros and cons, and I chose the 
> Waterford (MUSA and all that).  So it would seem there are 61cm frames 
> from both sources.  Bike should be here in a few weeks -- it's getting 
> polished Paul Racers, and apparently the polishing machine at Paul 
> broke.  
>

So it's taken a couple of months, huh? Maybe this is a virtue

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Re: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

[Seth Vidal]

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J
 wrote:
> I ordered an AHH 61cm in November, and Keven told me I had my choice of Toyo 
> or Waterford.  We debated pros and cons, and I chose the Waterford (MUSA and 
> all that).  So it would seem there are 61cm frames from both sources.  Bike 
> should be here in a few weeks -- it's getting polished Paul Racers, and 
> apparently the polishing machine at Paul broke.  
>

So it's taken a couple of months, huh? Maybe this is a virtue

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RE: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

I ordered an AHH 61cm in November, and Keven told me I had my choice of Toyo or 
Waterford.  We debated pros and cons, and I chose the Waterford (MUSA and all 
that).  So it would seem there are 61cm frames from both sources.  Bike should 
be here in a few weeks -- it's getting polished Paul Racers, and apparently the 
polishing machine at Paul broke. 

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Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 2:42 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

Mine, a 63cm, has three water bottle mounts and is the Toyo blue as opposed to 
the softer blue of the Waterford Hilsens. I don't think Grant's statement is 
entirely accurate. I think there was a thing in the reader that had the 
introduction for the Hilsen that said they were being made at both locations 
and mentioned nothing about that having to do with size. I just checked 
Cyclofiend's site for the scans of the introduction.

To quote the intro: "Don't go thinking, "I gotta get a waterford-made one" out 
of a belief that a Toyo-built isn't every bit as good. Both shops make superbe 
frames."

http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/rr38_pg44.jpg

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wilbury F/F on ebay

[Seth Vidal]

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
 wrote:
> The mixtes, they ain't for everybody...
>
> (I like them though, and suggested this for a friend who has some
> range of motion issues)
>

I agree. There is one in my house already and another one coming but
neither of them are riv's. I looked hard at this one and for what it
is I think I'd be better off getting a betty/yves and springing for
the extra paint job, then I get the specific color I want.

Hope someone enjoys it and if they get it for $950 - even better for them.

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[RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

[Mike]

Mine, a 63cm, has three water bottle mounts and is the Toyo blue as
opposed to the softer blue of the Waterford Hilsens. I don't think
Grant's statement is entirely accurate. I think there was a thing in
the reader that had the introduction for the Hilsen that said they
were being made at both locations and mentioned nothing about that
having to do with size. I just checked Cyclofiend's site for the scans
of the introduction.

To quote the intro: "Don't go thinking, "I gotta get a waterford-made
one" out of a belief that a Toyo-built isn't every bit as good. Both
shops make superbe frames."

http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/rr38_pg44.jpg

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[RBW] Re: Wilbury F/F on ebay

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

The mixtes, they ain't for everybody...

(I like them though, and suggested this for a friend who has some
range of motion issues)

On Jan 11, 1:27 pm, Seth Vidal  wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Mark  wrote:
>
> > I cant believe their is only ONE bid for this 2700.00 plus frame on
> > ebay. I would buy it if I was rich like the rest of you guys on this
> > blog.
>
> >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120514295766&ssPag...
>
> I can believe it. It's a large size, which is nice - but doesn't suit
> a lot of people who would be targetting a mixte. IT's been around a
> bit if you look UP CLOSE on the pictures and there's a day left.
> There's no point bidding on it until you're down to the last half hour
> or so anyway.
>
> -sv
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[RBW] Re: Sackville TrunkSack Small grid series - a review

[amoll68]

Thanks Ryan. I also think it's a looker - and was inspired by other
bikes I've seen here, Flickr, and Cyclofiend (I do intend to send
pictures there, too.)

I figured the bulldog mini would fit up front, but was pleasantly
surprised that it fit so well in the seat bag. I had previously tried
to get it in a Keven's bag, and it didn't really work. I don't lock up
this bike very often, so easy access isn't a priority. I also like
keeping the load up front as light as possible - so tools, lock etc
behind the saddle works well for me.

Alex


On Jan 11, 11:21 am, RoadieRyan  wrote:
> I realize this is a thread about bags but DAMN what a sweet looking
> homer.  Nice Ride Axel.  Back on topic I have a Lil Loafer mounted up
> front and it handles the bulldog mini lock just fine
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryans_rando/3741240547/in/set-7215762175...
>
> Ryan
> West Seattle
>
> On Jan 11, 8:40 am, Jim Cloud  wrote:
>
>
>
> > I don't think that it is necessarily an "either/or" thing.  You can
> > select the bag needed for a particular purpose on any given day.
> > Anyone who is in to photography "gets it".  The photographer has a
> > slew of bags suited to any purpose.  A large shoulder bag that can
> > accommodate two camera bodies, 3-4 lenses, flash, etc.  Another medium
> > bag that carries one camera with lens attached and a couple of
> > accessory lens.  Finally (in this imaginary hypothesis) another bag
> > that is suitable for a camera with lens mounted and a couple of
> > smallish accessories.
>
> > Similarly, I don't always ride my Riv with its Berthoud GB2886 bag on
> > the front rack.  For shorter day rides (especially here in Tucson,
> > where a sweater and rain gear are rarely needed), I have my Berthoud
> > GB786 seat bag (from which the Rivendell "Banana bag" was derived)
> > which amply accommodates the tools, spares, wallet, keys and snacks I
> > need for a day ride.
>
> > Jim Cloud
> > Tucson, AZ
>
> > On Jan 11, 8:54 am, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>
> > > On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 07:34 -0800, cyclotourist wrote:
>
> > > > It's just a lot to be carrying around if you're not using it.  The
> > > > trunk bag looks perfectly packed (although less accessible).
> > > > Everything is a trade off!  :-)
>
> > > Stuff in a trunk bag is perhaps 1% as accessible as in a handlebar bag.
>
> > > As for "not using it," do you know before you set out on a ride whether
> > > you will need to remove and carry your neoprene booties during the ride?
> > > Or that warm, but bulky, wool outer jersey?  Running out of space is a
> > > problem.  Having extra isn't.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Wilbury F/F on ebay

[Seth Vidal]

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Mark  wrote:
>
>
> I cant believe their is only ONE bid for this 2700.00 plus frame on
> ebay. I would buy it if I was rich like the rest of you guys on this
> blog.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120514295766&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
>

I can believe it. It's a large size, which is nice - but doesn't suit
a lot of people who would be targetting a mixte. IT's been around a
bit if you look UP CLOSE on the pictures and there's a day left.
There's no point bidding on it until you're down to the last half hour
or so anyway.

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[RBW] Re: Wilbury F/F on ebay

[Mark]

I cant believe their is only ONE bid for this 2700.00 plus frame on
ebay. I would buy it if I was rich like the rest of you guys on this
blog.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120514295766&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Surf cries!
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Re: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

[CycloFiend]

on 1/11/10 10:56 AM, Anthony (57cm AHH) at rubiconmanagem...@gmail.com
wrote:

> 
> 
> Is there any way to tell if my AHH was made at Toyo or Waterford?
> 
> I 'heard' if there are only 2 mounts for water bottles, then it is
> Waterford. If there are 3 mounts, the 3rd underneath, it is from
> Toyo...
> 
> Is this accurate? Are there any other identifiers?

Hadn't heard that. 

As a single data point (with four variables), my Hilsen is Toyo-built, was a
59, has a four number place serial number that starts "AH", and has bottom
of the downtube bottle bosses.

- Jim

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[RBW] Re: Sackville TrunkSack Small grid series - a review

[RoadieRyan]

I realize this is a thread about bags but DAMN what a sweet looking
homer.  Nice Ride Axel.  Back on topic I have a Lil Loafer mounted up
front and it handles the bulldog mini lock just fine

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryans_rando/3741240547/in/set-72157621755729272

Ryan
West Seattle

On Jan 11, 8:40 am, Jim Cloud  wrote:
> I don't think that it is necessarily an "either/or" thing.  You can
> select the bag needed for a particular purpose on any given day.
> Anyone who is in to photography "gets it".  The photographer has a
> slew of bags suited to any purpose.  A large shoulder bag that can
> accommodate two camera bodies, 3-4 lenses, flash, etc.  Another medium
> bag that carries one camera with lens attached and a couple of
> accessory lens.  Finally (in this imaginary hypothesis) another bag
> that is suitable for a camera with lens mounted and a couple of
> smallish accessories.
>
> Similarly, I don't always ride my Riv with its Berthoud GB2886 bag on
> the front rack.  For shorter day rides (especially here in Tucson,
> where a sweater and rain gear are rarely needed), I have my Berthoud
> GB786 seat bag (from which the Rivendell "Banana bag" was derived)
> which amply accommodates the tools, spares, wallet, keys and snacks I
> need for a day ride.
>
> Jim Cloud
> Tucson, AZ
>
> On Jan 11, 8:54 am, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 07:34 -0800, cyclotourist wrote:
>
> > > It's just a lot to be carrying around if you're not using it.  The
> > > trunk bag looks perfectly packed (although less accessible).
> > > Everything is a trade off!  :-)
>
> > Stuff in a trunk bag is perhaps 1% as accessible as in a handlebar bag.
>
> > As for "not using it," do you know before you set out on a ride whether
> > you will need to remove and carry your neoprene booties during the ride?
> > Or that warm, but bulky, wool outer jersey?  Running out of space is a
> > problem.  Having extra isn't.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
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Re: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

[Bill Connell]

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Anthony (57cm AHH)
 wrote:
>
> Is there any way to tell if my AHH was made at Toyo or Waterford?
>
> I 'heard' if there are only 2 mounts for water bottles, then it is
> Waterford. If there are 3 mounts, the 3rd underneath, it is from
> Toyo...
>
> Is this accurate? Are there any other identifiers?


You'd probably have to ask Riv directly (offlist) to know for sure.
ISTR that the odd sizes were being made at Waterford and the evens at
Toyo, but i could be wrong. Guessing by the size breakdown, i'd guess
that W'ford made all the 700c frames, Toyo all the 650b.

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[RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

[Anthony (57cm AHH)]

Is there any way to tell if my AHH was made at Toyo or Waterford?

I 'heard' if there are only 2 mounts for water bottles, then it is
Waterford. If there are 3 mounts, the 3rd underneath, it is from
Toyo...

Is this accurate? Are there any other identifiers?


Many thanks!

On Jan 11, 7:19 am, Grant Petersen  wrote:
> I can see how (I mean, clearly see how) it could sound like we're thru with
> the AHH, but it's not so. Only the Japanese ones. Toyo has never made them
> bigger than 58, anyway..and Wford has never made them smaller than 57. But
> Wford has made many and will continue to (forseeble future, etc), and it
> would be easy enough to have them make the smaller ones. SO: Sorry 'bout
> that.
>
> I agree with Jim.
>
> Best,
>
> --
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Re: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

[Anthony Castellino]

I asked where mine was made...I 'promise' I read the initial email from
Grant with the size (cm) vs location...I happen to have a 57cm...

"Toyo has never made them bigger than 58, anyway..and Wford has never
made them smaller than 57."

...seems the 57 was made in both locations??

I only have 2 water bottle mounts...darker blue color...

Many thanks...



On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Mike  wrote:

> "Toyo has never made them bigger than 58, anyway..and Wford has never
> made them smaller than 57."
>
> Hmmm. I have a 63cm Hilsen that I could swear is made by Toyo. It
> doesn't really matter to me who made it, the bike is great. I'm glad
> it's staying in the line-up.
>
> --mike
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[RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

[Mike]

"Toyo has never made them bigger than 58, anyway..and Wford has never
made them smaller than 57."

Hmmm. I have a 63cm Hilsen that I could swear is made by Toyo. It
doesn't really matter to me who made it, the bike is great. I'm glad
it's staying in the line-up.

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[RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

[franklyn]

will waterford build 650b version of AHH as well, or will the smaller
sizes get 700c instead?

Franklyn

On Jan 11, 10:00 am, Jeremy Till  wrote:
> Sorry folks, i guess i was under the impression that all AHH's were
> currently built by Toyo.  Thanks for the clarification, Grant- now I
> can continue my fantasies of one day owning one, and a Waterford built
> one no less! (phd graduation present in ~8 yrs?)
>
> On Jan 11, 7:19 am, Grant Petersen  wrote:
>
>
>
> > I can see how (I mean, clearly see how) it could sound like we're thru with
> > the AHH, but it's not so. Only the Japanese ones. Toyo has never made them
> > bigger than 58, anyway..and Wford has never made them smaller than 57. But
> > Wford has made many and will continue to (forseeble future, etc), and it
> > would be easy enough to have them make the smaller ones. SO: Sorry 'bout
> > that.
>
> > I agree with Jim.
>
> > Best,
>
> > --
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[RBW] FS: 7S era Shimano 105 group minus hubs

[Doug Van Cleve]

Howdy folks.

I have a nearly complete 7S Shimano 105 group (no hubs/wheels).  I am not
sure exactly why I collected it, but I did and I don't see using it anytime
soon.  I think it is all xx-1055, the stuff that is sort of a greenish
(IMHO) silver.  It is all fully functional, but not all in the same
condition.  The cranks are the roughest with a fair amount of paint/finish
loss but all threads and the chainrings are fine.  The brakes are missing
the mounting nuts and have a bit of corrosion on the chrome parts, but
nothing terrible.  The brake levers very lightly used and pretty much like
new.  The derailleurs are good, the front nicer than rear which has quite a
few scratches. The shifters are used but nice.  Just to be clear, this
"group" includes:  cranks/chainrings, front and rear brake calipers,
shifters, front and rear derailleurs.  Here is a picture:
http://i49.tinypic.com/2edxnch.jpg.  $50 plus cheapest shipping, either
FedEx ground or USPS most likely.

Thanks, Doug

P.S.  I can include a set of elderly Shimano brake pads, just didn't get
them for the picture...
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[RBW] Re: Check out new rivbike blog post

[RoadieRyan]

Hoping that the "San Marcos" comes through as it looks very
interesting.  By the time I can scrape together a grand for a new
frame it would appear that the choices in steel lugged frames will be
plentiful  SamH-San Marcos-VO Rando and if I can drop some tonnage the
Simpleone would also be interesting assuming it uses the same Suze
wheelset/double chain ring setup the QB has.

Anyway nice to have a bounty of choices at the "low end" of the lugged
steel goodness market

On Jan 11, 7:02 am, Seth Vidal  wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 9:59 AM, newenglandbike  
> wrote:
> > This was posted by Cyclofiend:
>
> >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/browse_thread/thread/...
>
> Thanks!
> -sv
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[RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

[Jeremy Till]

Sorry folks, i guess i was under the impression that all AHH's were
currently built by Toyo.  Thanks for the clarification, Grant- now I
can continue my fantasies of one day owning one, and a Waterford built
one no less! (phd graduation present in ~8 yrs?)

On Jan 11, 7:19 am, Grant Petersen  wrote:
> I can see how (I mean, clearly see how) it could sound like we're thru with
> the AHH, but it's not so. Only the Japanese ones. Toyo has never made them
> bigger than 58, anyway..and Wford has never made them smaller than 57. But
> Wford has made many and will continue to (forseeble future, etc), and it
> would be easy enough to have them make the smaller ones. SO: Sorry 'bout
> that.
>
> I agree with Jim.
>
> Best,
>
> --
> Grant
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Re: [RBW] Brand V handlebar bag review

[bpustow]

True,  and I've also noticed that if you're using Campy  ergo shifters the 
velcro attachments to the hoods make it cumbersome to use the  thumb tab 
shifters while wearing wool  gloves. Not a bag I'm able to use in  cold weather.
Bill
Louisville, Ky
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/11/2010 8:02:21 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
clive.stand...@umassmed.edu writes:

95% of  this bag is great, but the last 5% makes it a real pain to use.
I love the  material, minimalist construction, velcro attachments and
the size is  perfect. That's the 95%. However, the bag is ridiculously
difficult to get  into. The single rear zip just doesn't offer enough
access so you end up  blindly feeling around for items. 
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[RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

[JoelMatthews]

Grant:

Thanks for clearing this up.  Double thanks for your committment to
the AHH.

The Hilsen is one of those rare products that does a lot of things and
does each one of those things as good or better than the various niche
specialists.

On Jan 11, 9:19 am, Grant Petersen  wrote:
> I can see how (I mean, clearly see how) it could sound like we're thru with
> the AHH, but it's not so. Only the Japanese ones. Toyo has never made them
> bigger than 58, anyway..and Wford has never made them smaller than 57. But
> Wford has made many and will continue to (forseeble future, etc), and it
> would be easy enough to have them make the smaller ones. SO: Sorry 'bout
> that.
>
> I agree with Jim.
>
> Best,
>
> --
> Grant
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[RBW] Re: Nitto Big Bag Rack + Berthoud fender incompatibility

[Rene Sterental]

Thanks! I'll remove it with a moto-tool.

René

On 1/11/10, mark  wrote:
> I think the pin is there to secure the bottom of a pannier. Most
> modern panniers can be secured at the bottom without the pin, so you
> can probably saw it off with no problem.
>
> The pin in question got in the way of my SKS fenders and my Berthoud
> fenders, so I sawed it off very soon after I got the rack.
>
> mark
>

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[RBW] Re: Sackville TrunkSack Small grid series - a review

[Jim Cloud]

I don't think that it is necessarily an "either/or" thing.  You can
select the bag needed for a particular purpose on any given day.
Anyone who is in to photography "gets it".  The photographer has a
slew of bags suited to any purpose.  A large shoulder bag that can
accommodate two camera bodies, 3-4 lenses, flash, etc.  Another medium
bag that carries one camera with lens attached and a couple of
accessory lens.  Finally (in this imaginary hypothesis) another bag
that is suitable for a camera with lens mounted and a couple of
smallish accessories.

Similarly, I don't always ride my Riv with its Berthoud GB2886 bag on
the front rack.  For shorter day rides (especially here in Tucson,
where a sweater and rain gear are rarely needed), I have my Berthoud
GB786 seat bag (from which the Rivendell "Banana bag" was derived)
which amply accommodates the tools, spares, wallet, keys and snacks I
need for a day ride.

Jim Cloud
Tucson, AZ

On Jan 11, 8:54 am, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 07:34 -0800, cyclotourist wrote:
>
> > It's just a lot to be carrying around if you're not using it.  The
> > trunk bag looks perfectly packed (although less accessible).
> > Everything is a trade off!  :-)
>
> Stuff in a trunk bag is perhaps 1% as accessible as in a handlebar bag.
>
> As for "not using it," do you know before you set out on a ride whether
> you will need to remove and carry your neoprene booties during the ride?
> Or that warm, but bulky, wool outer jersey?  Running out of space is a
> problem.  Having extra isn't.
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[RBW] Re: Brand V handlebar bag review

[reynoldslugs]

And now, for a dissenting opinion:

I just recieved my Brand V handlebar bag, matched to a Brand V Keven's
Bag this past week.  I happily mounted them on a steel bike (Pereira)
with Jack Browns and  spent the weekend grinding away on the Mayacama
hills by and between Napa and Sonoma Valleys, Trinity Road, Mt.
Veeder, Oakville Grade, et cetera.  Man, I love that bag!  I didn't
have any trouble operating the zipper or looking inside, grabbing
sunglasses, food (especially during the bonk on the last climb,
Oakville Grade), vest, and a couple extra layers of wool.  It was a
pretty cold day, the bag is perfect for stashing extra layers of
clothes.

When summer comes around I'll probably stash an extra water bottle in
there for the long, dry rides.

Anyway, good blog, thanks for raising the review, ymmv, as they say.



On Jan 11, 5:01 am, usuk2007  wrote:
> 95% of this bag is great, but the last 5% makes it a real pain to use.
> I love the material, minimalist construction, velcro attachments and
> the size is perfect. That's the 95%. However, the bag is ridiculously
> difficult to get into. The single rear zip just doesn't offer enough
> access so you end up blindly feeling around for items. A big
> improvement would be to have a 3 sided zipped flap, then at least you
> could look down into the bag and see stuff.
>
> http://wheelsofchance.org/2009/12/27/new-loaded-touring-setup/
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[RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

[Esteban]

Cheers to that!

Esteban
San Diego, Calif

On Jan 11, 7:19 am, Grant Petersen  wrote:
> I can see how (I mean, clearly see how) it could sound like we're thru with
> the AHH, but it's not so. Only the Japanese ones. Toyo has never made them
> bigger than 58, anyway..and Wford has never made them smaller than 57. But
> Wford has made many and will continue to (forseeble future, etc), and it
> would be easy enough to have them make the smaller ones. SO: Sorry 'bout
> that.
>
> I agree with Jim.
>
> Best,
>
> --
> Grant
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Re: [RBW] Sackville TrunkSack Small grid series - a review

[Steve Palincsar]

On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 07:34 -0800, cyclotourist wrote:
> 
> It's just a lot to be carrying around if you're not using it.  The
> trunk bag looks perfectly packed (although less accessible).
> Everything is a trade off!  :-)

Stuff in a trunk bag is perhaps 1% as accessible as in a handlebar bag.

As for "not using it," do you know before you set out on a ride whether
you will need to remove and carry your neoprene booties during the ride?
Or that warm, but bulky, wool outer jersey?  Running out of space is a
problem.  Having extra isn't.




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[RBW] Re: Slighty OT: cycling routes New York to Montreal

[MichaelH]

I would second Patrick's observation about Rt 9, or 9N in NY, although
9N is OK north of Lake Placid.  But the Adirondacks has a lot of great
bike roads, with well maintained, wide shoulders.  I've ridden rt 30 &
28, and really enjoyed them.  The roads in Vt tend to be in much
poorer condition than in NY, sorry to say, but there are lots of
beautiful views and most of the drivers are pretty patient.

The RouteVerte book is good for roads but don't rely on it to take you
to the most interesting places.

Michael
Westford, Vt



On Jan 11, 10:30 am, Patrick in VT  wrote:
> On Jan 10, 6:11 pm, JoelMatthews  wrote:
>
> > State Route 9 goes from the Bronx to the Canadian
> > border.
>
> I wouldn't recommend the northern section of Route 9.  very few miles
> are what I consider scenic and it is dominated by motorcycle traffic
> in the summer.
>
> If you head up along the lake, consider crossing into VT.  if you stay
> in NY, i suggest  getting a good map and finding a more scenic route
> through the Adirondacks, which offers some fantastic riding.
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