Re: [RBW] Re: Spring Break Fun in Santa Monica - ride report

2010-03-26 Thread cyclotourist
So a constant grade vs. the variable of Westridge... Hmmm.  I'm guessing
having more dirt on Sullivan was nicer than Westridge.  A lot of traffic on
that lower section.

So good to know you held your own w/ the fat tire crowd!  That entire route
really calls out for a cross bike.  Anything more is pretty much overkill.
But at least you saw someone out there using the trails!!!


On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:22 PM, Aaron Thomas wrote:

> Nope. I went *up* Sullivan this time -- the reverse of the other day.
> I did it in go-fast mode to see how quickly it might be done without
> lots of stopping. About 1.5-2 hours round trip.
>
> Doing the loop in reverse saves you the massive gradient (you know
> what I'm talking about), but you buy yourself a long, steady,
> unrelenting climb to the top. No rollers, no respite, until you get to
> where we parted ways the other day.
>
> I could have made it easier on myself by taking it slow and steady,
> but I was duking it out with some mountain bikers who were blazing
> fast. My lungs were in my throat. Great fun!
>
> On Mar 25, 9:48 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
> > Good deal!  Did you come back down Sullivan?
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Aaron Thomas  >wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > The Santa Monica mountains are so nice this time of year that I
> > > couldn't resist doing the loop again this afternoon:
> >
> > >http://twitpic.com/1ay991
> >
> > >http://twitpic.com/1ayafl
> >
> > > Aaron
> >
> > > On Mar 23, 12:49 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
> > > > Thanks for looking!
> >
> > > > On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:32 AM, William 
> wrote:
> > > > > Excellent set.  Thanks for putting it up.
> >
> > > > > On Mar 23, 11:09 am, cyclotourist  wrote:
> > > > > > We're all pretty worn out today... but had fun in the process!
>  It's
> > > my
> > > > > > favorite loop, I just love it!
> >
> > > > > > On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Brad Gantt 
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > I know that route well. It really is a great ride. Looks like
> > > everyone
> > > > > > > had fun.
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[RBW] Re: Sac Tweed Ride 3/28

2010-03-26 Thread Harry
The Wilbury may be making this trip with me. It's a drag, but I'll be
tweed-less.

Harry

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[RBW] Re: The Hunqapillar Geometry Chart is now up

2010-03-26 Thread EricP
Well, I just went with what Grant recommended - 58 for me.  Looks from
the table to be about right.  Now can start thinking about handlebars
for this beastie.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Mar 25, 10:08�pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
> That's EXACTLY my consideration of the sizes. �Correct top tube length vs.
> better standover height.
>
> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Michael_S wrote:
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>
>
> > Yes it's up... Now I see I'm in between the 54 and 58. If I use drop
> > bars the 54 would be right and flat bars the 58 would be the right
> > size based on top tube length.
>
> > But then the standover on the 58 is too big for inconvenient stops.
>
> > ...and yes it is certainly unique in the world of off trail bikes.
> > It's a very beautiful bike that I would love to have.
>
> > Decision, decisions...
>
> > ~Mike~
>
> > On Mar 25, 3:13 pm, William  wrote:
> > > I see that on the Hunqa page, there is a geometry chart as the last
> > > photo. �I'm still really really tempted. �I might do it. �It's really
> > > low risk. �There are really not many bikes like it. �None that good
> > > looking.
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[RBW] Re: Hunqageometry

2010-03-26 Thread JoelMatthews
Not so much the color, although the white was a lot whiter - I had
asked for something more cream - than the quality of the
application.

The paint on the frame is baked on to a high standard to allow for an
almost glass like finish. Too glass like as it turned out.  Minor ding
caused cracking along the top tube.  On the fork, the paint started
flaking off.

Apparetly JB would have repainted, but that would have required boxing
and shipping to San Diego.  Someone at my LBS wanted the bike, so I
sold it (at a heavily discounted price).

Wiegle does not go for the gloss. To my eye, at least, his paint jobs
more durable.  Of course, I have only looked at his bikes, not owned
one for any length of time.

Back to the topic, Riv in the past has used a Norther Cali painter
with more than a little skill.  The paint on my Hilsen was
incredible.  From Grant's post anyway, it reads as though the Hunqs
are being painted here, not in Taiwan.

If that is accurate, I expect the paint and lug shadowing will turn
out very well, if not to the standard Mr. Weigle puts in his bikes
that can cost up to 10 times more and have multi-year waits.

On Mar 25, 10:35 pm, newenglandbike  wrote:
> Not implying it was fine or anything but just out of curiosity, what
> about that JB paint job was disappointing?  It looks pretty dialed in
> the photos.  Almost like it was a computer generated image or
> something.   But then again the photos don't show everything of
> course.
>
> A friend of mine showed me his JP Wiegle frame and I have to say it
> looked amazing.
>
> On Mar 25, 11:08 pm, JoelMatthews  wrote:
>
>
>
> > I was disappointed with the JB paint on my first custom:
>
> >http://oswaldcycleworks.com/gallery.php
>
> > to the point I wound up getting rid of it (well, the paint and
> > frustration with Rohloff maintenance).
>
> > I've come to the opinion Peter Wiegle is a better painter than Joe
> > Bell.  Or probably more accurate, whoever is actually painting in JB's
> > shop now.
>
> > On Mar 25, 9:44 pm, happyriding  wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 25, 1:07 pm, JoelMatthews  wrote:
>
> > > > > Any chance you could be swayed by one lone voice:  no lug lining,
> > > > > please!   Subtle is better than garish.  Even two dark colors
> > > > > highlight the lug lines enough.
>
> > > > Not sure anyone could say these lined lugs are garish. Indeed, I would
> > > > describe this bike as very subtle and understated (along with lovely):
>
> > > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/49353...@n00/4461108956/sizes/l/
>
> > > I would agree.  But I would also point out that the lugs are not lined
> > > on that bike: only a couple of the windows are lined.  On that bike, I
> > > think the subtle accents of the lined windows look fine.  Now, if that
> > > bike had all its lugs lined, it would look garish to me.  Try to
> > > imagine the aqua paint tracing every lug line on the head tube and on
> > > the fork crown in that picture.  I think you would see an explosion of
> > > aqua paint, which to my eye would be quite jarring.
>
> > > Also, in my opinion, for lug lines to look good, they have to be
> > > painted with the utmost precision--like Joe Bell does them.  Lug lines
> > > draw your attention to them, and sloppy lug lines are very noticeable.- 
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[RBW] Re: Hunqageometry

2010-03-26 Thread happyriding
On Mar 26, 7:04 am, JoelMatthews  wrote:
>
> Back to the topic, Riv in the past has used a Norther Cali painter
> with more than a little skill.  The paint on my Hilsen was
> incredible.  From Grant's post anyway, it reads as though the Hunqs
> are being painted here, not in Taiwan.
>

I don't think that is correct.  The prototypes are being painted
locally.  However, I was told the production frames will be painted in
Taiwan.

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[RBW] Re: Bleriot .. how/if to transform.

2010-03-26 Thread Patrick in VT
On Mar 26, 1:01 am, andrew hill  wrote:
> also, am i stupid to be doing this to the Bleriot?  e.g. should it remain a 
> >gofast/tourer and i should get used to/adjust to the drops, or try mustache 
> bars >on it?  i've got a 29er mtn bike that is pretty sweet as it is, and 
> could (should) >serve trailriding duty without blinking.

if you ever want to "gofast" or "tour" - yeah, you should probably get
used the drops.   but it's a little concerning that you're describing
that set-up as twitchy and hard to reach the brakes.  is this your
first bike with drops?  are you feeling too stretched out?  you may
need to experiment with bar height and different stems.

anyway, sounds like putting bullmoose bars on the bleriot is going to
give you the same bike that you have with the hillborne.

and as David notes, the bleriot won't have more standover if it is
sized comparably to the hillborne.  in fact, seems like you should
have more standover clearance on the hillborne - not less - given the
sloping top tube.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Spring Break Fun in Santa Monica - ride report

2010-03-26 Thread James Valiensi
Hey,
That looks so fun. I need to head out there this weekend.
Please tell me what kind of tires you have on that bike.

James Valiensi, PE
Northridge, CA
H818.775.1847 M.818.585.1796


On Mar 25, 2010, at 9:21 PM, Aaron Thomas wrote:

> The Santa Monica mountains are so nice this time of year that I
> couldn't resist doing the loop again this afternoon:
> 
> http://twitpic.com/1ay991
> 
> http://twitpic.com/1ayafl
> 
> Aaron
> 
> On Mar 23, 12:49 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
>> Thanks for looking!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:32 AM, William  wrote:
>>> Excellent set.  Thanks for putting it up.
>> 
>>> On Mar 23, 11:09 am, cyclotourist  wrote:
 We're all pretty worn out today... but had fun in the process!  It's my
 favorite loop, I just love it!
>> 
 On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Brad Gantt  wrote:
> I know that route well. It really is a great ride. Looks like everyone
> had fun.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Matching bar-wrap to Sam H. accent color.

2010-03-26 Thread clyde canter
Please let us know if you find a match for the blue.
Thanks,
C

On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Brian  wrote:

> Clyde,
> Thanks for the input. I do have some dark blue Tressostar tape, but
> before I used that, I decide to try to get some other ideas. To me, at
> least in bright light, the accents are more purple than blue. I've
> actually been looking at the purple tapes at RBW and SOMA but it's
> kind of hard on the web to really get a sense of the true color. But
> your right, they're so thin, who will really be able to notice the
> difference? Your idea of matching the saddle is intriguing as I have a
> honey Brooks as well.
> Brian
>
> On Mar 25, 10:27 am, clyde canter  wrote:
> > Brian.
> >  I had the same idea for my Sam.  At my LBS they had 3 shades of dark
> blue
> > corkall Bike Ribbon I think and some blue Cateye cloth.  The Cateye
> > cloth looked to be the best, although not perfect.  I should note that I
> > don't distinguish subtle shade differences in color any more, and that
> blue
> > stripe is mighty narrow on the bike so I'm not sure I'd be a good one to
> > choose a color. I decided to go with orange Bike Ribbon cork which I
> > shellaced  with Bullseye amber.  This matched the honey Brooks really
> well.
> > They (LBS) had some light blue cork that matched the headbadge pretty
> well.
> > Hope this helps,
> > Clyde
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Brian 
> wrote:
> >
> > > I'd like to match the bar wrap on my new green Hillborne to the
> > > purplish-blue accent color that's on the seat tube. If anyone has done
> > > this, what tape or wrap did you use? Thanks.
> >
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[RBW] Re: Spring Break Fun in Santa Monica - ride report

2010-03-26 Thread Esteban
Two rides that stand out last year among my favorites were with you
guys on these trails.  Just awesome riding.

Hmmm... its not that far of a drive

Esteban
San Diego, Calif.

On Mar 26, 7:10 am, James Valiensi  wrote:
> Hey,
> That looks so fun. I need to head out there this weekend.
> Please tell me what kind of tires you have on that bike.
>
> James Valiensi, PE
> Northridge, CA
> H818.775.1847 M.818.585.1796
>
> On Mar 25, 2010, at 9:21 PM, Aaron Thomas wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > The Santa Monica mountains are so nice this time of year that I
> > couldn't resist doing the loop again this afternoon:
>
> >http://twitpic.com/1ay991
>
> >http://twitpic.com/1ayafl
>
> > Aaron
>
> > On Mar 23, 12:49 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
> >> Thanks for looking!
>
> >> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:32 AM, William  wrote:
> >>> Excellent set.  Thanks for putting it up.
>
> >>> On Mar 23, 11:09 am, cyclotourist  wrote:
>  We're all pretty worn out today... but had fun in the process!  It's my
>  favorite loop, I just love it!
>
>  On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Brad Gantt  wrote:
> > I know that route well. It really is a great ride. Looks like everyone
> > had fun.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Matching bar-wrap to Sam H. accent color.

2010-03-26 Thread clyde canter
That's a nice looking bike Earl.
I'm glad I didn't have the color choice to make.  They only had the green
ones.
I like them both.
Where did you find the bag?
Best,
Clyde

.
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 12:56 AM, Earl Grey  wrote:

> You can also get very close to the honey Brooks with Tressostar orange
> tape and amber shellac:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/25150...@n08/4425669203/
>
> I was intentionally not careful in applying a constant amount of
> shellac, and rode the bike for a while with just one coat, darkening
> the tape where my hands are usually. To my eye, these variations in
> the tape color make for an even better match. As the Brooks darkens
> over time, you can darken the bar tape by adding more coats of
> shellac.
>
> Gernot
>
> On Mar 25, 11:20 pm, Brian  wrote:
> > Clyde,
> > Thanks for the input. I do have some dark blue Tressostar tape, but
> > before I used that, I decide to try to get some other ideas. To me, at
> > least in bright light, the accents are more purple than blue. I've
> > actually been looking at the purple tapes at RBW and SOMA but it's
> > kind of hard on the web to really get a sense of the true color. But
> > your right, they're so thin, who will really be able to notice the
> > difference? Your idea of matching the saddle is intriguing as I have a
> > honey Brooks as well.
> > Brian
> >
> > On Mar 25, 10:27 am, clyde canter  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Brian.
> > >  I had the same idea for my Sam.  At my LBS they had 3 shades of dark
> blue
> > > corkall Bike Ribbon I think and some blue Cateye cloth.  The Cateye
> > > cloth looked to be the best, although not perfect.  I should note that
> I
> > > don't distinguish subtle shade differences in color any more, and that
> blue
> > > stripe is mighty narrow on the bike so I'm not sure I'd be a good one
> to
> > > choose a color. I decided to go with orange Bike Ribbon cork which I
> > > shellaced  with Bullseye amber.  This matched the honey Brooks really
> well.
> > > They (LBS) had some light blue cork that matched the headbadge pretty
> well.
> > > Hope this helps,
> > > Clyde
> >
> > > On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Brian 
> wrote:
> >
> > > > I'd like to match the bar wrap on my new green Hillborne to the
> > > > purplish-blue accent color that's on the seat tube. If anyone has
> done
> > > > this, what tape or wrap did you use? Thanks.
> >
> > > > Brian
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[RBW] Re: Bleriot .. how/if to transform.

2010-03-26 Thread Rocky B
I agree with Patrick, if you feel too stretched out and can't reach
the brakes from the tops...it sounds like your stem is too long.  I
would experiment with a shorter stem...

On Mar 26, 8:32 am, Patrick in VT  wrote:
> On Mar 26, 1:01 am, andrew hill  wrote:
>
> > also, am i stupid to be doing this to the Bleriot?  e.g. should it remain a 
> > >gofast/tourer and i should get used to/adjust to the drops, or try 
> > mustache bars >on it?  i've got a 29er mtn bike that is pretty sweet as it 
> > is, and could (should) >serve trailriding duty without blinking.
>
> if you ever want to "gofast" or "tour" - yeah, you should probably get
> used the drops.   but it's a little concerning that you're describing
> that set-up as twitchy and hard to reach the brakes.  is this your
> first bike with drops?  are you feeling too stretched out?  you may
> need to experiment with bar height and different stems.
>
> anyway, sounds like putting bullmoose bars on the bleriot is going to
> give you the same bike that you have with the hillborne.
>
> and as David notes, the bleriot won't have more standover if it is
> sized comparably to the hillborne.  in fact, seems like you should
> have more standover clearance on the hillborne - not less - given the
> sloping top tube.

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[RBW] Racer M Alive!

2010-03-26 Thread Marty
Very nice option for many builds. Fits 45mm fenders with no brake arm
interference!

http://www.paulcomp.com/racerm.html

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Re: [RBW] Re: Spring Break Fun in Santa Monica - ride report

2010-03-26 Thread cyclotourist
Mine too.  Just great rides!  That's why I took my out-of-towners out
there.  Wanted to show of the best we've got!!!

James:  I believe they're Maxxis cross tires, but not sure of the model.

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 7:23 AM, Esteban  wrote:

> Two rides that stand out last year among my favorites were with you
> guys on these trails.  Just awesome riding.
>
> Hmmm... its not that far of a drive
>
> Esteban
> San Diego, Calif.
>
> On Mar 26, 7:10 am, James Valiensi  wrote:
> > Hey,
> > That looks so fun. I need to head out there this weekend.
> > Please tell me what kind of tires you have on that bike.
> >
> > James Valiensi, PE
> > Northridge, CA
> > H818.775.1847 M.818.585.1796
> >
> > On Mar 25, 2010, at 9:21 PM, Aaron Thomas wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > The Santa Monica mountains are so nice this time of year that I
> > > couldn't resist doing the loop again this afternoon:
> >
> > >http://twitpic.com/1ay991
> >
> > >http://twitpic.com/1ayafl
> >
> > > Aaron
> >
> > > On Mar 23, 12:49 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
> > >> Thanks for looking!
> >
> > >> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:32 AM, William 
> wrote:
> > >>> Excellent set.  Thanks for putting it up.
> >
> > >>> On Mar 23, 11:09 am, cyclotourist  wrote:
> >  We're all pretty worn out today... but had fun in the process!  It's
> my
> >  favorite loop, I just love it!
> >
> >  On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Brad Gantt 
> wrote:
> > > I know that route well. It really is a great ride. Looks like
> everyone
> > > had fun.
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Re: [RBW] Racer M Alive!

2010-03-26 Thread Dustin Sharp
"Between the arms there is enough clearance to fit a 45mm fender and a 32mm
tire"


Hm. Says 32, but I wonder if a tire measuring 33.333 might just fit?


On 3/26/10 7:52 AM, "Marty"  wrote:

> Very nice option for many builds. Fits 45mm fenders with no brake arm
> interference!
> 
> http://www.paulcomp.com/racerm.html


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[RBW] Re: Sac Tweed Ride 3/28

2010-03-26 Thread Rick
No, you won't, Harry: wear a shirt with a collar, take Nan's knickers
with you, I've got an extra pair of over-the-calf argyle socks, and
we'll get you into a sweater vest, a bow tie, and a cycling
cap...voila!

Beth, we're looking forward to meeting you and your new Betty--I
believe there will be over a dozen Rivs in attendance!

Rick and Erin

P.S.: Try to make the breakfast--it's going to be great!

On Mar 26, 2:30 am, Harry  wrote:
> The Wilbury may be making this trip with me. It's a drag, but I'll be
> tweed-less.
>
> Harry

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[RBW] Re: Spring Break Fun in Santa Monica - ride report

2010-03-26 Thread Aaron Thomas
Yes, the tires are Maxxis Locust 700x35c:

http://www.maxxis.com/Bicycle/Cyclocross/Locust.aspx

I've done those trails on Jack Brown greens and Pasela 35mm, but the
CX tires work best. It's nice to have some knobs.

On Mar 26, 7:57 am, cyclotourist  wrote:
> Mine too.  Just great rides!  That's why I took my out-of-towners out
> there.  Wanted to show of the best we've got!!!
>
> James:  I believe they're Maxxis cross tires, but not sure of the model.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 7:23 AM, Esteban  wrote:
> > Two rides that stand out last year among my favorites were with you
> > guys on these trails.  Just awesome riding.
>
> > Hmmm... its not that far of a drive
>
> > Esteban
> > San Diego, Calif.
>
> > On Mar 26, 7:10 am, James Valiensi  wrote:
> > > Hey,
> > > That looks so fun. I need to head out there this weekend.
> > > Please tell me what kind of tires you have on that bike.
>
> > > James Valiensi, PE
> > > Northridge, CA
> > > H818.775.1847 M.818.585.1796
>
> > > On Mar 25, 2010, at 9:21 PM, Aaron Thomas wrote:
>
> > > > The Santa Monica mountains are so nice this time of year that I
> > > > couldn't resist doing the loop again this afternoon:
>
> > > >http://twitpic.com/1ay991
>
> > > >http://twitpic.com/1ayafl
>
> > > > Aaron
>
> > > > On Mar 23, 12:49 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
> > > >> Thanks for looking!
>
> > > >> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:32 AM, William 
> > wrote:
> > > >>> Excellent set.  Thanks for putting it up.
>
> > > >>> On Mar 23, 11:09 am, cyclotourist  wrote:
> > >  We're all pretty worn out today... but had fun in the process!  It's
> > my
> > >  favorite loop, I just love it!
>
> > >  On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Brad Gantt 
> > wrote:
> > > > I know that route well. It really is a great ride. Looks like
> > everyone
> > > > had fun.
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[RBW] Re: Hunqageometry

2010-03-26 Thread JoelMatthews
> I don't think that is correct.  The prototypes are being painted
> locally.  However, I was told the production frames will be painted in
> Taiwan.

Ahh.  Well, definitely an unknown quantity then.

Not sure if they come from the same outfit or not, but I saw a guyin
Chicago riding one of the new Velo Orange Polyvalents made and painted
in Taiwan.  These are a black matte.  Coverage was good, but hardly
Rivendellian level quality.

Where were the Belriots painted?  I understand they were nice looking
bikes.  Never saw one in person though.

On Mar 26, 8:30 am, happyriding  wrote:
> On Mar 26, 7:04 am, JoelMatthews  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Back to the topic, Riv in the past has used a Norther Cali painter
> > with more than a little skill.  The paint on my Hilsen was
> > incredible.  From Grant's post anyway, it reads as though the Hunqs
> > are being painted here, not in Taiwan.
>
> I don't think that is correct.  The prototypes are being painted
> locally.  However, I was told the production frames will be painted in
> Taiwan.

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[RBW] Re: The Hunqapillar Geometry Chart is now up

2010-03-26 Thread William
Very nice Eric.  You will be a wooly bully!

When I was at Riv HQ there was a pair of Schwalbe Marathon XR's on the
shelf.  Those are such burly looking tires.  I don't know quite how I
got to be this kind of guy, but somehow I think about bikes from the
tires up now.

I loved the Jack Brown, so I bought a Hillborne
I loved the Gran Bois Hetre (and the Quasi Moto), so I bought a
Bombadil
Now I'm infatuated with the Marathon XR, pretty clear consequences
forthcoming

Bill

On Mar 26, 3:20 am, EricP  wrote:
> Well, I just went with what Grant recommended - 58 for me.  Looks from
> the table to be about right.  Now can start thinking about handlebars
> for this beastie.
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
> On Mar 25, 10:08 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
>
> > That's EXACTLY my consideration of the sizes. Correct top tube length vs.
> > better standover height.
>
> > On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Michael_S wrote:
>
> > > Yes it's up... Now I see I'm in between the 54 and 58. If I use drop
> > > bars the 54 would be right and flat bars the 58 would be the right
> > > size based on top tube length.
>
> > > But then the standover on the 58 is too big for inconvenient stops.
>
> > > ...and yes it is certainly unique in the world of off trail bikes.
> > > It's a very beautiful bike that I would love to have.
>
> > > Decision, decisions...
>
> > > ~Mike~
>
> > > On Mar 25, 3:13 pm, William  wrote:
> > > > I see that on the Hunqa page, there is a geometry chart as the last
> > > > photo. I'm still really really tempted. I might do it. It's really
> > > > low risk. There are really not many bikes like it. None that good
> > > > looking.
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[RBW] Re: Bleriot .. how/if to transform.

2010-03-26 Thread Justin August
Or you can sell the Bleriot to me!
;)

-Justin

On Mar 26, 1:01 am, andrew hill  wrote:
> ok, guys - maybe some advice is needed.
>
> i've been riding this Bleriot for a bit, and enjoying it's quickness, but 
> cannot get used to the noodle drops on it.  just to twitchy, harder to reach 
> brakes from the top, etc... and it's got 1.5" panaracers on it now, and those 
> dia-compe centerpulls that Rivendell likes..
>
> i've got some bullmoose bars coming for it - i think i'll like that much 
> better.  now i'm thinking it might make sense to really build it out though, 
> a a trail bike, e.g. some fat studded tires.  Jay tells me i could fit 42-44, 
> or so.. anyone know a good wide, knobby trail-riding tire that'll fit?  
>
> also, am i stupid to be doing this to the Bleriot?  e.g. should it remain a 
> gofast/tourer and i should get used to/adjust to the drops, or try mustache 
> bars on it?  i've got a 29er mtn bike that is pretty sweet as it is, and 
> could (should) serve trailriding duty without blinking.
>
> i should also mention that i've got a Sam with bullmoose bars already - the 
> Sam would prob make a better on/off rounder, with it's upsloping tube, but 
> it's too big for unplanned stops, for me.  plus, riding the sam feels like 
> taking a convertible towncar out for a weekend drive.. it's the smmoothest, 
> sturdiest, ridelikebuttah that i've ever had (and it's got Schwalbe Mara Sup 
> 40's).  i did a 12 mile round-trip commute today.  was a mindblowing 
> experience.  easy even in the uphill direction.  
>
> that being said, the 650Bs of the Bleriot really makes that feel quicker than 
> the Sam, to me.. though the Sam is almost deceptively smooth, so maybe it 
> just feels slower.  anyway, the experience i've had on the Sam is making me 
> want to "fix" the Bleriot, so it's as comfortable, stable, etc.. but i don't 
> want to overlap the Sam or a front-suspension mtn bike totally, either :)
>
> i'm sure some of you have gone through this...
>
> -andrew

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[RBW] Re: Racer M Alive!

2010-03-26 Thread J. Burkhalter
Thanks for the heads up Marty.  Good news indeed!

On Mar 26, 8:52 am, Marty  wrote:
> Very nice option for many builds. Fits 45mm fenders with no brake arm
> interference!
>
> http://www.paulcomp.com/racerm.html

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[RBW] Re: Racer M Alive!

2010-03-26 Thread William
Those are swank!  I can't afford not to have a set.

"Hello, Keven?  It's me Bill, can you sell me a bike to fit these
brakes?  A Roadeo?  Sounds perfecto!

On Mar 26, 7:52 am, Marty  wrote:
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> interference!
>
> http://www.paulcomp.com/racerm.html

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[RBW] Re: Racer M Alive!

2010-03-26 Thread MichaelH
Thanks for the heads up, I've been thinking of treating my '03
Rambouillet to some new clothes - brakes and crank.  I've been waiting
for these.

Michael

On Mar 26, 10:52 am, Marty  wrote:
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> interference!
>
> http://www.paulcomp.com/racerm.html

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[RBW] Re: Bleriot .. how/if to transform.

2010-03-26 Thread Erik C
Good advice so far. I ride a bleriot with noodles and don't have the
experience you are describing. What tires are you using? CLDVs seemed
a little squirrely in comparison to the GB Cypres I ride now.

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[RBW] Re: Spring Break Fun in Santa Monica - ride report

2010-03-26 Thread Brad Gantt
I'm doing a variation of this ride tomorrow. When I used to live in
Brentwood, I did the climb up Sullivan Cyn. on a regular basis. If I
left at all early I had the place to myself even on the weekends. Wait
too long and you have the folks bombing down on their dual-sprung
rigs. No matter how often I have done that climb, it is a test every
time. It is always interesting to see what shape the trail will be in.
It varies from winding singletrack with multiple water crossings and
drops to wide-open, nearly-paved fireroad. No matter what it is always
a special ride.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bleriot .. how/if to transform.

2010-03-26 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Fri, 2010-03-26 at 10:15 -0700, Erik C wrote:
> Good advice so far. I ride a bleriot with noodles and don't have the
> experience you are describing. What tires are you using? CLDVs seemed
> a little squirrely in comparison to the GB Cypres I ride now.


You know, I have almost 20,000 miles on Col de la Vie tires now, and I
have yet to experience anything like "squirreliness" in those tires.
I've heard that some people experience a certain amount of squirm of the
tread blocks under extreme cornering, but I don't test bikes and don't
ride at the limits of cornering, so I haven't ever experienced it.  I
don't think I'm that exceptional, either -- so I'd be inclined to view
that theory with skepticism.





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Re: [RBW] Re: Bleriot .. how/if to transform.

2010-03-26 Thread andrew hill
it's got Panaracer 1.5's on it.  

and yes - as a couple of other folks guessed, this is my first bike with drops. 
  i'm exceedlingly long-waisted, and don't feel stretched out at all.. but the 
front end does feel twitchy compared to straight bars, bullmoose,etc..

thanks for the advice - so far i'm thinking i should keep the drops and just 
get used to em :/

thanks,
andrew


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RE: [RBW] Re: Bleriot .. how/if to transform.

2010-03-26 Thread Frederick, Steve
To the best of my knowledge there is no Panaracer 1.5" tire in the 650b 
wheelsize.  Are you running another wheelsize on the bike?  

I found a little more air in the front tire of my 650b Quickbeam cured a 
too-quick turn-in sensation.  I'm running Fatty Rumpkins on it which measure 
around 40-41mm wide...

You might also try raising the bars a little to see if it helps.

Steve

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Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Bleriot .. how/if to transform.


it's got Panaracer 1.5's on it.  

and yes - as a couple of other folks guessed, this is my first bike with drops. 
  i'm exceedlingly long-waisted, and don't feel stretched out at all.. but the 
front end does feel twitchy compared to straight bars, bullmoose,etc..

thanks for the advice - so far i'm thinking i should keep the drops and just 
get used to em :/

thanks,
andrew


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Re: [RBW] Re: Bleriot .. how/if to transform.

2010-03-26 Thread Bill Connell
+1 to Raising the bars and changing air pressure as good, easy-to-try
ideas. I was wondering too which drop bars you're using? You could
think about a wider set of drop bars, which might also help with the
quick-feeling front end. You might also look into cyclocross-style
interrupter brake levers on the tops, which work very well and would
potentially give an easier way to brake.

Bill


On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Frederick, Steve
 wrote:
> To the best of my knowledge there is no Panaracer 1.5" tire in the 650b 
> wheelsize.  Are you running another wheelsize on the bike?
>
> I found a little more air in the front tire of my 650b Quickbeam cured a 
> too-quick turn-in sensation.  I'm running Fatty Rumpkins on it which measure 
> around 40-41mm wide...
>
> You might also try raising the bars a little to see if it helps.
>
> Steve
>
> -Original Message-
> From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of andrew hill
> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 1:47 PM
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Bleriot .. how/if to transform.
>
>
> it's got Panaracer 1.5's on it.
>
> and yes - as a couple of other folks guessed, this is my first bike with 
> drops.   i'm exceedlingly long-waisted, and don't feel stretched out at all.. 
> but the front end does feel twitchy compared to straight bars, bullmoose,etc..
>
> thanks for the advice - so far i'm thinking i should keep the drops and just 
> get used to em :/
>
> thanks,
> andrew
>
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[RBW] Re: Racer M Alive!

2010-03-26 Thread JoelMatthews
> "Hello, Keven?  It's me Bill, can you sell me a bike to fit these
> brakes?  A Roadeo?  Sounds perfecto!

"How much to add braze on mounting posts?  $25.00 per post?  I am in
heaven!

On Mar 26, 12:05 pm, William  wrote:
> Those are swank!  I can't afford not to have a set.
>
> "Hello, Keven?  It's me Bill, can you sell me a bike to fit these
> brakes?  A Roadeo?  Sounds perfecto!
>
> On Mar 26, 7:52 am, Marty  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Very nice option for many builds. Fits 45mm fenders with no brake arm
> > interference!
>
> >http://www.paulcomp.com/racerm.html- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bleriot .. how/if to transform.

2010-03-26 Thread andrew hill
yeah... just double checked and they are Panaracer Col De La Vie "Randonnee' 
650Bs..  

i had the bars up really high - too high - and lowering them so they feel right 
(still above the seat) feels about the same... and the tires have 50psi in em, 
per the sidewall.

-a

On Mar 26, 2010, at 10:50 AM, Frederick, Steve wrote:

> To the best of my knowledge there is no Panaracer 1.5" tire in the 650b 
> wheelsize.  Are you running another wheelsize on the bike?  
> 
> I found a little more air in the front tire of my 650b Quickbeam cured a 
> too-quick turn-in sensation.  I'm running Fatty Rumpkins on it which measure 
> around 40-41mm wide...
> 
> You might also try raising the bars a little to see if it helps.
> 
> Steve
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of andrew hill
> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 1:47 PM
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Bleriot .. how/if to transform.
> 
> 
> it's got Panaracer 1.5's on it.  
> 
> and yes - as a couple of other folks guessed, this is my first bike with 
> drops.   i'm exceedlingly long-waisted, and don't feel stretched out at all.. 
> but the front end does feel twitchy compared to straight bars, bullmoose,etc..
> 
> thanks for the advice - so far i'm thinking i should keep the drops and just 
> get used to em :/
> 
> thanks,
> andrew
> 
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[RBW] Re: Racer M Alive!

2010-03-26 Thread Michael_S
Boy those polished ones are the cats pajama's!

will Riv add the braze on's to the Roadeo?  I can't tell from your
"conversation"?

~Mike~

On Mar 26, 11:00 am, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> > "Hello, Keven?  It's me Bill, can you sell me a bike to fit these
> > brakes?  A Roadeo?  Sounds perfecto!
>
> "How much to add braze on mounting posts?  $25.00 per post?  I am in
> heaven!
>
> On Mar 26, 12:05 pm, William  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Those are swank!  I can't afford not to have a set.
>
> > "Hello, Keven?  It's me Bill, can you sell me a bike to fit these
> > brakes?  A Roadeo?  Sounds perfecto!
>
> > On Mar 26, 7:52 am, Marty  wrote:
>
> > > Very nice option for many builds. Fits 45mm fenders with no brake arm
> > > interference!
>
> > >http://www.paulcomp.com/racerm.html-Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: Matching bar-wrap to Sam H. accent color.

2010-03-26 Thread William
I went with Brown Tressostar with Amber Shellac.  It's much darker
than Brooks Honey, but I think it works

http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758...@n04/4201002059/

I'm going to be trying a super dark blue combo on my new build.  I'm
trying to match the navy blue decals on a Bombadil.  I'll be using
Dark Blue Toshi (from Jitensha) with amber shellac.  I'd really like
to see how Newbaums eggplant looks with shellac, on any bike.  That
might be like royalty.

On Mar 25, 9:56 pm, Earl Grey  wrote:
> You can also get very close to the honey Brooks with Tressostar orange
> tape and amber shellac:http://www.flickr.com/photos/25150...@n08/4425669203/
>
> I was intentionally not careful in applying a constant amount of
> shellac, and rode the bike for a while with just one coat, darkening
> the tape where my hands are usually. To my eye, these variations in
> the tape color make for an even better match. As the Brooks darkens
> over time, you can darken the bar tape by adding more coats of
> shellac.
>
> Gernot
>
> On Mar 25, 11:20 pm, Brian  wrote:
>
> > Clyde,
> > Thanks for the input. I do have some dark blue Tressostar tape, but
> > before I used that, I decide to try to get some other ideas. To me, at
> > least in bright light, the accents are more purple than blue. I've
> > actually been looking at the purple tapes at RBW and SOMA but it's
> > kind of hard on the web to really get a sense of the true color. But
> > your right, they're so thin, who will really be able to notice the
> > difference? Your idea of matching the saddle is intriguing as I have a
> > honey Brooks as well.
> > Brian
>
> > On Mar 25, 10:27 am, clyde canter  wrote:
>
> > > Brian.
> > >  I had the same idea for my Sam.  At my LBS they had 3 shades of dark blue
> > > corkall Bike Ribbon I think and some blue Cateye cloth.  The Cateye
> > > cloth looked to be the best, although not perfect.  I should note that I
> > > don't distinguish subtle shade differences in color any more, and that 
> > > blue
> > > stripe is mighty narrow on the bike so I'm not sure I'd be a good one to
> > > choose a color. I decided to go with orange Bike Ribbon cork which I
> > > shellaced  with Bullseye amber.  This matched the honey Brooks really 
> > > well.
> > > They (LBS) had some light blue cork that matched the headbadge pretty 
> > > well.
> > > Hope this helps,
> > > Clyde
>
> > > On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Brian  wrote:
>
> > > > I'd like to match the bar wrap on my new green Hillborne to the
> > > > purplish-blue accent color that's on the seat tube. If anyone has done
> > > > this, what tape or wrap did you use? Thanks.
>
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Re: [RBW] Racer M Alive!

2010-03-26 Thread nathan spindel
Do you think these brakes will enable new Ram fender/tire capabilities
that weren't possible before with the stock Tektro calipers…?

-nathan

On Friday, March 26, 2010, MichaelH  wrote:
> Thanks for the heads up, I've been thinking of treating my '03
> Rambouillet to some new clothes - brakes and crank.  I've been waiting
> for these.
>
> Michael
>
> On Mar 26, 10:52 am, Marty  wrote:
>> Very nice option for many builds. Fits 45mm fenders with no brake arm
>> interference!
>>
>> http://www.paulcomp.com/racerm.html
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Re: [RBW] Racer M Alive!

2010-03-26 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Fri, 2010-03-26 at 11:15 -0700, nathan spindel wrote:
> Do you think these brakes will enable new Ram fender/tire capabilities
> that weren't possible before with the stock Tektro calipers…?

There are several limiting factors.  Brakes crowding fenders when
they're applied is one of them, and these brakes won't while many dual
pivot sidepulls will.  How wide the brake opens is another, and I found
it limited my Rambouillet to 28mm tires.  These open a lot wider than
that.  

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Re: [RBW] Matching bar-wrap to Sam H. accent color.

2010-03-26 Thread nathan spindel
Here's a photo of the eggplant tape with four coats of VO amber
shellac: http://www.flickr.com/photos/natan/4400018765/in/set-72157623013628085/

Prior to shellacking the tape was lighter in color to the purple of
the frame, and after shellacking it got darker and more brown. I
probably should've done just a couple coats of clear shellac. But the
next time around I might wrap em with VO elk hide wrap (black to match
the black saddle) since I'm diggin the look and feel of that wrap on
another bike. So many choices… :)

-nathan

On Friday, March 26, 2010, William  wrote:
> I went with Brown Tressostar with Amber Shellac.  It's much darker
> than Brooks Honey, but I think it works
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758...@n04/4201002059/
>
> I'm going to be trying a super dark blue combo on my new build.  I'm
> trying to match the navy blue decals on a Bombadil.  I'll be using
> Dark Blue Toshi (from Jitensha) with amber shellac.  I'd really like
> to see how Newbaums eggplant looks with shellac, on any bike.  That
> might be like royalty.
>
> On Mar 25, 9:56 pm, Earl Grey  wrote:
>> You can also get very close to the honey Brooks with Tressostar orange
>> tape and amber shellac:http://www.flickr.com/photos/25150...@n08/4425669203/
>>
>> I was intentionally not careful in applying a constant amount of
>> shellac, and rode the bike for a while with just one coat, darkening
>> the tape where my hands are usually. To my eye, these variations in
>> the tape color make for an even better match. As the Brooks darkens
>> over time, you can darken the bar tape by adding more coats of
>> shellac.
>>
>> Gernot
>>
>> On Mar 25, 11:20 pm, Brian  wrote:
>>
>> > Clyde,
>> > Thanks for the input. I do have some dark blue Tressostar tape, but
>> > before I used that, I decide to try to get some other ideas. To me, at
>> > least in bright light, the accents are more purple than blue. I've
>> > actually been looking at the purple tapes at RBW and SOMA but it's
>> > kind of hard on the web to really get a sense of the true color. But
>> > your right, they're so thin, who will really be able to notice the
>> > difference? Your idea of matching the saddle is intriguing as I have a
>> > honey Brooks as well.
>> > Brian
>>
>> > On Mar 25, 10:27 am, clyde canter  wrote:
>>
>> > > Brian.
>> > >  I had the same idea for my Sam.  At my LBS they had 3 shades of dark 
>> > > blue
>> > > corkall Bike Ribbon I think and some blue Cateye cloth.  The Cateye
>> > > cloth looked to be the best, although not perfect.  I should note that I
>> > > don't distinguish subtle shade differences in color any more, and that 
>> > > blue
>> > > stripe is mighty narrow on the bike so I'm not sure I'd be a good one to
>> > > choose a color. I decided to go with orange Bike Ribbon cork which I
>> > > shellaced  with Bullseye amber.  This matched the honey Brooks really 
>> > > well.
>> > > They (LBS) had some light blue cork that matched the headbadge pretty 
>> > > well.
>> > > Hope this helps,
>> > > Clyde
>>
>> > > On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Brian  wrote:
>>
>> > > > I'd like to match the bar wrap on my new green Hillborne to the
>> > > > purplish-blue accent color that's on the seat tube. If anyone has done
>> > > > this, what tape or wrap did you use? Thanks.
>>
>> > > > Brian
>>
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[RBW] Re: Matching bar-wrap to Sam H. accent color.

2010-03-26 Thread William
Nathan

Thanks for that.  I always though of that RB-1 color as blue.  Do you
see it purple?  Super nice build either way (even with the plentitude
of twine).

On Mar 26, 11:25 am, nathan spindel  wrote:
> Here's a photo of the eggplant tape with four coats of VO amber
> shellac:http://www.flickr.com/photos/natan/4400018765/in/set-72157623013628085/
>
> Prior to shellacking the tape was lighter in color to the purple of
> the frame, and after shellacking it got darker and more brown. I
> probably should've done just a couple coats of clear shellac. But the
> next time around I might wrap em with VO elk hide wrap (black to match
> the black saddle) since I'm diggin the look and feel of that wrap on
> another bike. So many choices… :)
>
> -nathan
>
> On Friday, March 26, 2010, William  wrote:
> > I went with Brown Tressostar with Amber Shellac.  It's much darker
> > than Brooks Honey, but I think it works
>
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758...@n04/4201002059/
>
> > I'm going to be trying a super dark blue combo on my new build.  I'm
> > trying to match the navy blue decals on a Bombadil.  I'll be using
> > Dark Blue Toshi (from Jitensha) with amber shellac.  I'd really like
> > to see how Newbaums eggplant looks with shellac, on any bike.  That
> > might be like royalty.
>
> > On Mar 25, 9:56 pm, Earl Grey  wrote:
> >> You can also get very close to the honey Brooks with Tressostar orange
> >> tape and amber 
> >> shellac:http://www.flickr.com/photos/25150...@n08/4425669203/
>
> >> I was intentionally not careful in applying a constant amount of
> >> shellac, and rode the bike for a while with just one coat, darkening
> >> the tape where my hands are usually. To my eye, these variations in
> >> the tape color make for an even better match. As the Brooks darkens
> >> over time, you can darken the bar tape by adding more coats of
> >> shellac.
>
> >> Gernot
>
> >> On Mar 25, 11:20 pm, Brian  wrote:
>
> >> > Clyde,
> >> > Thanks for the input. I do have some dark blue Tressostar tape, but
> >> > before I used that, I decide to try to get some other ideas. To me, at
> >> > least in bright light, the accents are more purple than blue. I've
> >> > actually been looking at the purple tapes at RBW and SOMA but it's
> >> > kind of hard on the web to really get a sense of the true color. But
> >> > your right, they're so thin, who will really be able to notice the
> >> > difference? Your idea of matching the saddle is intriguing as I have a
> >> > honey Brooks as well.
> >> > Brian
>
> >> > On Mar 25, 10:27 am, clyde canter  wrote:
>
> >> > > Brian.
> >> > >  I had the same idea for my Sam.  At my LBS they had 3 shades of dark 
> >> > > blue
> >> > > corkall Bike Ribbon I think and some blue Cateye cloth.  The Cateye
> >> > > cloth looked to be the best, although not perfect.  I should note that 
> >> > > I
> >> > > don't distinguish subtle shade differences in color any more, and that 
> >> > > blue
> >> > > stripe is mighty narrow on the bike so I'm not sure I'd be a good one 
> >> > > to
> >> > > choose a color. I decided to go with orange Bike Ribbon cork which I
> >> > > shellaced  with Bullseye amber.  This matched the honey Brooks really 
> >> > > well.
> >> > > They (LBS) had some light blue cork that matched the headbadge pretty 
> >> > > well.
> >> > > Hope this helps,
> >> > > Clyde
>
> >> > > On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Brian  
> >> > > wrote:
>
> >> > > > I'd like to match the bar wrap on my new green Hillborne to the
> >> > > > purplish-blue accent color that's on the seat tube. If anyone has 
> >> > > > done
> >> > > > this, what tape or wrap did you use? Thanks.
>
> >> > > > Brian
>
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[RBW] Re: Racer M Alive!

2010-03-26 Thread JoelMatthews
> will Riv add the braze on's to the Roadeo?  I can't tell from your
> "conversation"?

Purely wishfull thinking on my point.

However, these brakes are so in line with Riv design and philosophy I
really think some of the stock bikes should offer this as an option.
Leastways the higher end U.S. built and the Mixtes - the best of which
in the past had Mafac braze ons - ought to have them.

On Mar 26, 1:06 pm, Michael_S  wrote:
> Boy those polished ones are the cats pajama's!
>
> will Riv add the braze on's to the Roadeo?  I can't tell from your
> "conversation"?
>
> ~Mike~
>
> On Mar 26, 11:00 am, JoelMatthews  wrote:
>
>
>
> > > "Hello, Keven?  It's me Bill, can you sell me a bike to fit these
> > > brakes?  A Roadeo?  Sounds perfecto!
>
> > "How much to add braze on mounting posts?  $25.00 per post?  I am in
> > heaven!
>
> > On Mar 26, 12:05 pm, William  wrote:
>
> > > Those are swank!  I can't afford not to have a set.
>
> > > "Hello, Keven?  It's me Bill, can you sell me a bike to fit these
> > > brakes?  A Roadeo?  Sounds perfecto!
>
> > > On Mar 26, 7:52 am, Marty  wrote:
>
> > > > Very nice option for many builds. Fits 45mm fenders with no brake arm
> > > > interference!
>
> > > >http://www.paulcomp.com/racerm.html-Hidequoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
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Re: [RBW] Matching bar-wrap to Sam H. accent color.

2010-03-26 Thread nathan spindel
Thanks! The Bridgestone catalog refers to it as "lilac" and it's a
little more purple than blue, but it's subtle. Most people look at it
and think it's blue.

I'm really enjoying the bike so far - at $300 on craigslist for the
frame and some bits I like to think of it as a budget pre-Rivish road
bike. ;)

-nathan

On Friday, March 26, 2010, William  wrote:
> Nathan
>
> Thanks for that.  I always though of that RB-1 color as blue.  Do you
> see it purple?  Super nice build either way (even with the plentitude
> of twine).
>
> On Mar 26, 11:25 am, nathan spindel  wrote:
>> Here's a photo of the eggplant tape with four coats of VO amber
>> shellac:http://www.flickr.com/photos/natan/4400018765/in/set-72157623013628085/
>>
>> Prior to shellacking the tape was lighter in color to the purple of
>> the frame, and after shellacking it got darker and more brown. I
>> probably should've done just a couple coats of clear shellac. But the
>> next time around I might wrap em with VO elk hide wrap (black to match
>> the black saddle) since I'm diggin the look and feel of that wrap on
>> another bike. So many choices… :)
>>
>> -nathan
>>
>> On Friday, March 26, 2010, William  wrote:
>> > I went with Brown Tressostar with Amber Shellac.  It's much darker
>> > than Brooks Honey, but I think it works
>>
>> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758...@n04/4201002059/
>>
>> > I'm going to be trying a super dark blue combo on my new build.  I'm
>> > trying to match the navy blue decals on a Bombadil.  I'll be using
>> > Dark Blue Toshi (from Jitensha) with amber shellac.  I'd really like
>> > to see how Newbaums eggplant looks with shellac, on any bike.  That
>> > might be like royalty.
>>
>> > On Mar 25, 9:56 pm, Earl Grey  wrote:
>> >> You can also get very close to the honey Brooks with Tressostar orange
>> >> tape and amber 
>> >> shellac:http://www.flickr.com/photos/25150...@n08/4425669203/
>>
>> >> I was intentionally not careful in applying a constant amount of
>> >> shellac, and rode the bike for a while with just one coat, darkening
>> >> the tape where my hands are usually. To my eye, these variations in
>> >> the tape color make for an even better match. As the Brooks darkens
>> >> over time, you can darken the bar tape by adding more coats of
>> >> shellac.
>>
>> >> Gernot
>>
>> >> On Mar 25, 11:20 pm, Brian  wrote:
>>
>> >> > Clyde,
>> >> > Thanks for the input. I do have some dark blue Tressostar tape, but
>> >> > before I used that, I decide to try to get some other ideas. To me, at
>> >> > least in bright light, the accents are more purple than blue. I've
>> >> > actually been looking at the purple tapes at RBW and SOMA but it's
>> >> > kind of hard on the web to really get a sense of the true color. But
>> >> > your right, they're so thin, who will really be able to notice the
>> >> > difference? Your idea of matching the saddle is intriguing as I have a
>> >> > honey Brooks as well.
>> >> > Brian
>>
>> >> > On Mar 25, 10:27 am, clyde canter  wrote:
>>
>> >> > > Brian.
>> >> > >  I had the same idea for my Sam.  At my LBS they had 3 shades of dark 
>> >> > > blue
>> >> > > corkall Bike Ribbon I think and some blue Cateye cloth.  The 
>> >> > > Cateye
>> >> > > cloth looked to be the best, although not perfect.  I should note 
>> >> > > that I
>> >> > > don't distinguish subtle shade differences in color any more, and 
>> >> > > that blue
>> >> > > stripe is mighty narrow on the bike so I'm not sure I'd be a good one 
>> >> > > to
>> >> > > choose a color. I decided to go with orange Bike Ribbon cork which I
>> >> > > shellaced  with Bullseye amber.  This matched the honey Brooks really 
>> >> > > well.
>> >> > > They (LBS) had some light blue cork that matched the headbadge pretty 
>> >> > > well.
>> >> > > Hope this helps,
>> >> > > Clyde
>>
>> >> > > On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Brian  
>> >> > > wrote:
>>
>> >> > > > I'd like to match the bar wrap on my new green Hillborne to the
>> >> > > > purplish-blue accent color that's on the seat tube. If anyone has 
>> >> > > > done
>> >> > > > this, what tape or wrap did you use? Thanks.
>>
>> >> > > > Brian
>>
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[RBW] Re: Racer M Alive!

2010-03-26 Thread stevep33
Does anyone know if these operate with the amount of cable pull from
standard road levers?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Racer M Alive!

2010-03-26 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Fri, 2010-03-26 at 12:31 -0700, stevep33 wrote:
> Does anyone know if these operate with the amount of cable pull from
> standard road levers?


Yes they do, same as the longer reach Paul Racers.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Bleriot .. how/if to transform.

2010-03-26 Thread andrew hill
thanks Bill,

i'm using nitto noodles.. i'm not 100% sure how to measure them, but these do 
measure ~ 48cm at the widest part of the ramps... think i'm as wide as i can go 
on these types of bars.

i've thought about adding interrupteur levers - and easier brake reach would be 
better, but it's more the extremely-responsive steering that's a larger 
"problem".

best,
andrew

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[RBW] New Betty

2010-03-26 Thread Beth
Since it seems this is the thing you do after you pick up your new
ridehere're the pics 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/8305...@n02/?savedsettings=499651459#photo499651459

Enjoy!

Ps..rides like butter!

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[RBW] Re: New Betty

2010-03-26 Thread William
It's so cute and little!  I want to put it in my pocket!

Seriously great looking bike.  Congrats.

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> ridehere're the 
> picshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/8305...@n02/?savedsettings=499651459#pho...
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Ps..rides like butter!

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[RBW] Re: New Betty

2010-03-26 Thread Jim M.
Very sweet! I saw Mark building that up and took a close look in the
stand. I like that green.

Enjoy the ride!

jim m
wc ca

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> picshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/8305...@n02/?savedsettings=499651459#pho...
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Ps..rides like butter!

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[RBW] Re: New Betty

2010-03-26 Thread Brad Gantt
That's a great looking bike!

On Mar 26, 1:38 pm, Beth  wrote:
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> ridehere're the 
> picshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/8305...@n02/?savedsettings=499651459#pho...
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Ps..rides like butter!

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Re: [RBW] New Betty

2010-03-26 Thread Bill Connell
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Beth  wrote:
> Since it seems this is the thing you do after you pick up your new
> ridehere're the pics 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/8305...@n02/?savedsettings=499651459#photo499651459
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Ps..rides like butter!

The Betty is great in green! Looks like a good match for the green of
my Redwood, i love that color.

-- 
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St. Paul, MN

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Re: [RBW] New Betty

2010-03-26 Thread Bruce
It really came out looking very nice!  Hope you enjoy many miles with Ms. Foy.





From: Beth 
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
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Subject: [RBW] New Betty

Since it seems this is the thing you do after you pick up your new
ridehere're the pics 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/8305...@n02/?savedsettings=499651459#photo499651459

Enjoy!

Ps..rides like butter!

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Re: [RBW] Racer M Alive!

2010-03-26 Thread Gino Zahnd
Yes, it will.

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Dustin Sharp  wrote:
> "Between the arms there is enough clearance to fit a 45mm fender and a 32mm
> tire"
>
>
> Hm. Says 32, but I wonder if a tire measuring 33.333 might just fit?
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Racer M Alive!

2010-03-26 Thread Gino Zahnd
There's a post-mount version, so you don't need special braze-ons.
Though, to maximize function/purpose, the brazeons are the way to go.

-Gino

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Michael_S  wrote:
> Boy those polished ones are the cats pajama's!
>
> will Riv add the braze on's to the Roadeo?  I can't tell from your
> "conversation"?
>
> ~Mike~
>
> On Mar 26, 11:00 am, JoelMatthews  wrote:
>> > "Hello, Keven?  It's me Bill, can you sell me a bike to fit these
>> > brakes?  A Roadeo?  Sounds perfecto!
>>
>> "How much to add braze on mounting posts?  $25.00 per post?  I am in
>> heaven!
>>
>> On Mar 26, 12:05 pm, William  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > Those are swank!  I can't afford not to have a set.
>>
>> > "Hello, Keven?  It's me Bill, can you sell me a bike to fit these
>> > brakes?  A Roadeo?  Sounds perfecto!
>>
>> > On Mar 26, 7:52 am, Marty  wrote:
>>
>> > > Very nice option for many builds. Fits 45mm fenders with no brake arm
>> > > interference!
>>
>> > >http://www.paulcomp.com/racerm.html-Hide quoted text -
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[RBW] Where are you and when will you take the fenders off for the dry season?

2010-03-26 Thread William
Do you celebrate the changing seasons by annually pulling off the
fenders for the summer and putting them back on for the winter?  When
do you do it?  By feel, by date, or in reaction to the threat of
weather?  Or do you leave them on year-round?

I live in El Cerrito, CA (just north of Berkeley).  We had a little
rain this week, but I am tempted to take off the fenders from my
Hillborne pretty soon.  It's freaking gorgeous out.  I got the bike
last December, so I've never seen it built up without fenders.

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[RBW] Re: Racer M Alive!

2010-03-26 Thread JoelMatthews
> There's a post-mount version, so you don't need special braze-ons.
> Though, to maximize function/purpose, the brazeons are the way to go.

I have experienced original Racers in post mount and braze on.  The
post mounts are probaby better than 99% of what is out there today.
The Brazeons are that much better than the post mounts.

Braze on is a cleaner look and easier to adjust and maintain as well.
Hope Riv agrees.

On Mar 26, 4:07 pm, Gino Zahnd  wrote:
> There's a post-mount version, so you don't need special braze-ons.
> Though, to maximize function/purpose, the brazeons are the way to go.
>
> -Gino
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Michael_S  wrote:
> > Boy those polished ones are the cats pajama's!
>
> > will Riv add the braze on's to the Roadeo?  I can't tell from your
> > "conversation"?
>
> > ~Mike~
>
> > On Mar 26, 11:00 am, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> >> > "Hello, Keven?  It's me Bill, can you sell me a bike to fit these
> >> > brakes?  A Roadeo?  Sounds perfecto!
>
> >> "How much to add braze on mounting posts?  $25.00 per post?  I am in
> >> heaven!
>
> >> On Mar 26, 12:05 pm, William  wrote:
>
> >> > Those are swank!  I can't afford not to have a set.
>
> >> > "Hello, Keven?  It's me Bill, can you sell me a bike to fit these
> >> > brakes?  A Roadeo?  Sounds perfecto!
>
> >> > On Mar 26, 7:52 am, Marty  wrote:
>
> >> > > Very nice option for many builds. Fits 45mm fenders with no brake arm
> >> > > interference!
>
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[RBW] Re: Where are you and when will you take the fenders off for the dry season?

2010-03-26 Thread JoelMatthews
Chicago.  I like the way fenders look and leave them on no matter the
weather.  There is no such thing as a dry season in the upper midwest,
in any event.  Only the occasional drought.

On Mar 26, 4:14 pm, William  wrote:
> Do you celebrate the changing seasons by annually pulling off the
> fenders for the summer and putting them back on for the winter?  When
> do you do it?  By feel, by date, or in reaction to the threat of
> weather?  Or do you leave them on year-round?
>
> I live in El Cerrito, CA (just north of Berkeley).  We had a little
> rain this week, but I am tempted to take off the fenders from my
> Hillborne pretty soon.  It's freaking gorgeous out.  I got the bike
> last December, so I've never seen it built up without fenders.

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Re: [RBW] Where are you and when will you take the fenders off for the dry season?

2010-03-26 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Fri, 2010-03-26 at 14:14 -0700, William wrote:
> Do you celebrate the changing seasons by annually pulling off the
> fenders for the summer and putting them back on for the winter?

no

>   When
> do you do it?  By feel, by date, or in reaction to the threat of
> weather?  Or do you leave them on year-round?

I leave them on all year round.


> 
> I live in El Cerrito, CA (just north of Berkeley).  We had a little
> rain this week, but I am tempted to take off the fenders from my
> Hillborne pretty soon.  It's freaking gorgeous out.  I got the bike
> last December, so I've never seen it built up without fenders.

Our weather here in Northern Virginia's rather different from yours.
There was one summer a few years ago where every single weekend day all
summer long there was a 45% chance of thunderstorms.  I used a fendered
bike for every one of them, and it never rained once on any of the
rides.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Where are you and when will you take the fenders off for the dry season?

2010-03-26 Thread Bill Connell
St. Paul - i have fenders on almost all bikes year 'round. I've had
nice days bring showers mid-ride, and i hate the dirt streak up my
back. My bikes look naked to me now without fenders.

Bill

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 4:17 PM, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> Chicago.  I like the way fenders look and leave them on no matter the
> weather.  There is no such thing as a dry season in the upper midwest,
> in any event.  Only the occasional drought.
>
> On Mar 26, 4:14 pm, William  wrote:
>> Do you celebrate the changing seasons by annually pulling off the
>> fenders for the summer and putting them back on for the winter?  When
>> do you do it?  By feel, by date, or in reaction to the threat of
>> weather?  Or do you leave them on year-round?
>>
>> I live in El Cerrito, CA (just north of Berkeley).  We had a little
>> rain this week, but I am tempted to take off the fenders from my
>> Hillborne pretty soon.  It's freaking gorgeous out.  I got the bike
>> last December, so I've never seen it built up without fenders.

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Re: [RBW] Where are you and when will you take the fenders off for the dry season?

2010-03-26 Thread Dan Abelson
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 4:14 PM, William  wrote:

> Do you celebrate the changing seasons by annually pulling off the
> fenders for the summer and putting them back on for the winter?  When
> do you do it?  By feel, by date, or in reaction to the threat of
> weather?  Or do you leave them on year-round?
>
> I live in El Cerrito, CA (just north of Berkeley).  We had a little
> rain this week, but I am tempted to take off the fenders from my
> Hillborne pretty soon.  It's freaking gorgeous out.  I got the bike
> last December, so I've never seen it built up without fenders.
>
> --


I leave the fenders on year round in Saint Paul.  But I do celebrate the
change from Winter to Spring by pulling the studded tires off the winter
ride.  There is nothing quite like that first ride of spring without studded
tires.  Fortunately this year with our warm March (if it does not snow by
the end of the month it will be the first March in recorded history in the
Twin Cities without snow), I was able to pull off the studded tires pretty
early.

Dan Abelson
St. Paul, MN

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[RBW] Sam Hillborne - a fully loaded tourer?

2010-03-26 Thread happyriding
Hi,

Has anyone done any fully loaded touring on a Sam Hillborne?
According to the Riv website:

--You can ride your Sam Hillborne self-contained across the
country..."

I'm wondering if a size 60 is up to the task.  Or is it going to be
speed wobbling all over the road?  The tubes aren't as stout as the
tubes on the Atlantis, which is available only in the mini sizes now.
Anyone know if there are any orange 60's in stock?

Also, if you like pictures of bikes and haven't seen the pictures
here, they are worth looking at:

http://www.ecovelo.info/2009/09/12/more-sam-h-pics/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ecovelo/4148635160/in/set-72157611470108738/

Beautiful photography.

Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: Racer M Alive!

2010-03-26 Thread William
Speculating is fun, but I called and asked Keven for the answer.  I've
talked with him a few times about a Roadeo maybe next year, so I asked
how it would work if I wanted Paul Racer posts.  He said Waterford is
violently opposed to posts.  He asked them previously to do it for a
customer and they said no.  He asked more encouragingly and they
reluctantly said "OK for $500 extra".  So, in conclusion, he said if I
had to have them, we should pursue a Nobillette built Riv custom.  So
there you have it.  You can't get them, but it's no fault of
Rivendells.

Keven also pointed out all the obvious common sense things.  The
center mount ones are already so strong, maybe too strong.   What more
do you need?.  If they are too strong you can replace them with less
strong center mount ones.  Having a single-source for any of your
parts to keep your bike rideable is risky.  All correct statements.

On Mar 26, 2:15 pm, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> > There's a post-mount version, so you don't need special braze-ons.
> > Though, to maximize function/purpose, the brazeons are the way to go.
>
> I have experienced original Racers in post mount and braze on.  The
> post mounts are probaby better than 99% of what is out there today.
> The Brazeons are that much better than the post mounts.
>
> Braze on is a cleaner look and easier to adjust and maintain as well.
> Hope Riv agrees.
>
> On Mar 26, 4:07 pm, Gino Zahnd  wrote:
>
> > There's a post-mount version, so you don't need special braze-ons.
> > Though, to maximize function/purpose, the brazeons are the way to go.
>
> > -Gino
>
> > On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Michael_S  
> > wrote:
> > > Boy those polished ones are the cats pajama's!
>
> > > will Riv add the braze on's to the Roadeo?  I can't tell from your
> > > "conversation"?
>
> > > ~Mike~
>
> > > On Mar 26, 11:00 am, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> > >> > "Hello, Keven?  It's me Bill, can you sell me a bike to fit these
> > >> > brakes?  A Roadeo?  Sounds perfecto!
>
> > >> "How much to add braze on mounting posts?  $25.00 per post?  I am in
> > >> heaven!
>
> > >> On Mar 26, 12:05 pm, William  wrote:
>
> > >> > Those are swank!  I can't afford not to have a set.
>
> > >> > "Hello, Keven?  It's me Bill, can you sell me a bike to fit these
> > >> > brakes?  A Roadeo?  Sounds perfecto!
>
> > >> > On Mar 26, 7:52 am, Marty  wrote:
>
> > >> > > Very nice option for many builds. Fits 45mm fenders with no brake arm
> > >> > > interference!
>
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[RBW] Re: Racer M Alive!

2010-03-26 Thread JoelMatthews
Well, that is too bad if true.

The Brazeons modulate better than centerposts.

Too strong would never be an issue.  Pauls have near infinite and very
easy adjustability.  Once you get the hang of it, in a matter of
minutes you can set the brakes where they will throw you over the
handlebars with barely a finger twitch or so slack you need to pull
the levers to the grip to slow down.

On Mar 26, 4:38 pm, William  wrote:
> Speculating is fun, but I called and asked Keven for the answer.  I've
> talked with him a few times about a Roadeo maybe next year, so I asked
> how it would work if I wanted Paul Racer posts.  He said Waterford is
> violently opposed to posts.  He asked them previously to do it for a
> customer and they said no.  He asked more encouragingly and they
> reluctantly said "OK for $500 extra".  So, in conclusion, he said if I
> had to have them, we should pursue a Nobillette built Riv custom.  So
> there you have it.  You can't get them, but it's no fault of
> Rivendells.
>
> Keven also pointed out all the obvious common sense things.  The
> center mount ones are already so strong, maybe too strong.   What more
> do you need?.  If they are too strong you can replace them with less
> strong center mount ones.  Having a single-source for any of your
> parts to keep your bike rideable is risky.  All correct statements.
>
> On Mar 26, 2:15 pm, JoelMatthews  wrote:
>
>
>
> > > There's a post-mount version, so you don't need special braze-ons.
> > > Though, to maximize function/purpose, the brazeons are the way to go.
>
> > I have experienced original Racers in post mount and braze on.  The
> > post mounts are probaby better than 99% of what is out there today.
> > The Brazeons are that much better than the post mounts.
>
> > Braze on is a cleaner look and easier to adjust and maintain as well.
> > Hope Riv agrees.
>
> > On Mar 26, 4:07 pm, Gino Zahnd  wrote:
>
> > > There's a post-mount version, so you don't need special braze-ons.
> > > Though, to maximize function/purpose, the brazeons are the way to go.
>
> > > -Gino
>
> > > On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Michael_S  
> > > wrote:
> > > > Boy those polished ones are the cats pajama's!
>
> > > > will Riv add the braze on's to the Roadeo?  I can't tell from your
> > > > "conversation"?
>
> > > > ~Mike~
>
> > > > On Mar 26, 11:00 am, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> > > >> > "Hello, Keven?  It's me Bill, can you sell me a bike to fit these
> > > >> > brakes?  A Roadeo?  Sounds perfecto!
>
> > > >> "How much to add braze on mounting posts?  $25.00 per post?  I am in
> > > >> heaven!
>
> > > >> On Mar 26, 12:05 pm, William  wrote:
>
> > > >> > Those are swank!  I can't afford not to have a set.
>
> > > >> > "Hello, Keven?  It's me Bill, can you sell me a bike to fit these
> > > >> > brakes?  A Roadeo?  Sounds perfecto!
>
> > > >> > On Mar 26, 7:52 am, Marty  wrote:
>
> > > >> > > Very nice option for many builds. Fits 45mm fenders with no brake 
> > > >> > > arm
> > > >> > > interference!
>
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[RBW] Re: Racer M Alive!

2010-03-26 Thread JoelMatthews
Oh, and the reason I say too bad if true is that at first the word
from Riv was no DT braze ons for the Roadeo.  Now it is an option. If
demand is there, Riv may well find a way to convince Waterford the
folly of its ways.

On Mar 26, 4:45 pm, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> Well, that is too bad if true.
>
> The Brazeons modulate better than centerposts.
>
> Too strong would never be an issue.  Pauls have near infinite and very
> easy adjustability.  Once you get the hang of it, in a matter of
> minutes you can set the brakes where they will throw you over the
> handlebars with barely a finger twitch or so slack you need to pull
> the levers to the grip to slow down.
>
> On Mar 26, 4:38 pm, William  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Speculating is fun, but I called and asked Keven for the answer.  I've
> > talked with him a few times about a Roadeo maybe next year, so I asked
> > how it would work if I wanted Paul Racer posts.  He said Waterford is
> > violently opposed to posts.  He asked them previously to do it for a
> > customer and they said no.  He asked more encouragingly and they
> > reluctantly said "OK for $500 extra".  So, in conclusion, he said if I
> > had to have them, we should pursue a Nobillette built Riv custom.  So
> > there you have it.  You can't get them, but it's no fault of
> > Rivendells.
>
> > Keven also pointed out all the obvious common sense things.  The
> > center mount ones are already so strong, maybe too strong.   What more
> > do you need?.  If they are too strong you can replace them with less
> > strong center mount ones.  Having a single-source for any of your
> > parts to keep your bike rideable is risky.  All correct statements.
>
> > On Mar 26, 2:15 pm, JoelMatthews  wrote:
>
> > > > There's a post-mount version, so you don't need special braze-ons.
> > > > Though, to maximize function/purpose, the brazeons are the way to go.
>
> > > I have experienced original Racers in post mount and braze on.  The
> > > post mounts are probaby better than 99% of what is out there today.
> > > The Brazeons are that much better than the post mounts.
>
> > > Braze on is a cleaner look and easier to adjust and maintain as well.
> > > Hope Riv agrees.
>
> > > On Mar 26, 4:07 pm, Gino Zahnd  wrote:
>
> > > > There's a post-mount version, so you don't need special braze-ons.
> > > > Though, to maximize function/purpose, the brazeons are the way to go.
>
> > > > -Gino
>
> > > > On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Michael_S  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Boy those polished ones are the cats pajama's!
>
> > > > > will Riv add the braze on's to the Roadeo?  I can't tell from your
> > > > > "conversation"?
>
> > > > > ~Mike~
>
> > > > > On Mar 26, 11:00 am, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> > > > >> > "Hello, Keven?  It's me Bill, can you sell me a bike to fit these
> > > > >> > brakes?  A Roadeo?  Sounds perfecto!
>
> > > > >> "How much to add braze on mounting posts?  $25.00 per post?  I am in
> > > > >> heaven!
>
> > > > >> On Mar 26, 12:05 pm, William  wrote:
>
> > > > >> > Those are swank!  I can't afford not to have a set.
>
> > > > >> > "Hello, Keven?  It's me Bill, can you sell me a bike to fit these
> > > > >> > brakes?  A Roadeo?  Sounds perfecto!
>
> > > > >> > On Mar 26, 7:52 am, Marty  wrote:
>
> > > > >> > > Very nice option for many builds. Fits 45mm fenders with no 
> > > > >> > > brake arm
> > > > >> > > interference!
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Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne - a fully loaded tourer?

2010-03-26 Thread Phil Roberts
I've done a few multi-day camp tours on mine. I know that's not like going
cross-country but I tend to bring all the creature comforts of home along
with me, including tent, cot, folding camp chair and enough water to travel
through high dry desert. Compared to my 83 Expedition it handles steep
climbs wonderfully holding a steady line when the going gets slow. I've
descended 40 mph full-load and not once felt like I would lose control. Fat
tires are heavenly on dirt washboard roads.

Phil
AZ

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 2:27 PM, happyriding  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Has anyone done any fully loaded touring on a Sam Hillborne?
> According to the Riv website:
>
> --You can ride your Sam Hillborne self-contained across the
> country..."
>
> I'm wondering if a size 60 is up to the task.  Or is it going to be
> speed wobbling all over the road?  The tubes aren't as stout as the
> tubes on the Atlantis, which is available only in the mini sizes now.
> Anyone know if there are any orange 60's in stock?
>
> Also, if you like pictures of bikes and haven't seen the pictures
> here, they are worth looking at:
>
> http://www.ecovelo.info/2009/09/12/more-sam-h-pics/
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ecovelo/4148635160/in/set-72157611470108738/
>
> Beautiful photography.
>
> Thanks.
>
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Re: [RBW] Where are you and when will you take the fenders off for the dry season?

2010-03-26 Thread Phil Roberts
I leave my fenders on my fendered bikes year-round. Not too much rain here
in the desert but my fendered bikes stay remarkably cleaner than my
non-fendered bikes.

Phil
Chandler, AZ

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 2:14 PM, William  wrote:

> Do you celebrate the changing seasons by annually pulling off the
> fenders for the summer and putting them back on for the winter?  When
> do you do it?  By feel, by date, or in reaction to the threat of
> weather?  Or do you leave them on year-round?
>
> I live in El Cerrito, CA (just north of Berkeley).  We had a little
> rain this week, but I am tempted to take off the fenders from my
> Hillborne pretty soon.  It's freaking gorgeous out.  I got the bike
> last December, so I've never seen it built up without fenders.
>
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[RBW] Re: Where are you and when will you take the fenders off for the dry season?

2010-03-26 Thread franklyn
I live in Berkeley, so we have the same climate. I have three bikes,
and all of them are fendered year-long. I rode the shasta super
century on my fendered ebisu (650b), and drew many double-takes. It
did rain slightly that morning, but I keep it on not completely for
rain or wet weather, but to keep my bike clean. I also like the look
fendered bikes.

Franklyn

On Mar 26, 2:52 pm, Phil Roberts  wrote:
> I leave my fenders on my fendered bikes year-round. Not too much rain here
> in the desert but my fendered bikes stay remarkably cleaner than my
> non-fendered bikes.
>
> Phil
> Chandler, AZ
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 2:14 PM, William  wrote:
> > Do you celebrate the changing seasons by annually pulling off the
> > fenders for the summer and putting them back on for the winter?  When
> > do you do it?  By feel, by date, or in reaction to the threat of
> > weather?  Or do you leave them on year-round?
>
> > I live in El Cerrito, CA (just north of Berkeley).  We had a little
> > rain this week, but I am tempted to take off the fenders from my
> > Hillborne pretty soon.  It's freaking gorgeous out.  I got the bike
> > last December, so I've never seen it built up without fenders.
>
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[RBW] Re: Where are you and when will you take the fenders off for the dry season?

2010-03-26 Thread JoelMatthews
> Fortunately this year with our warm March (if it does not snow by
> the end of the month it will be the first March in recorded history in the
> Twin Cities without snow), I was able to pull off the studded tires pretty
> early.

You guys have had it warmer in MinnSt.Paul than we in Chicago.  Last
night riding home from the train it looked bright and shiney still,
but there was a steady wind that came down from Canada over Lake
Michigan just blasting cold in my face.  Appears it will be that way
until early next week then pow - we have some real warmth predicted.

On Mar 26, 4:26 pm, Dan Abelson  wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 4:14 PM, William  wrote:
> > Do you celebrate the changing seasons by annually pulling off the
> > fenders for the summer and putting them back on for the winter?  When
> > do you do it?  By feel, by date, or in reaction to the threat of
> > weather?  Or do you leave them on year-round?
>
> > I live in El Cerrito, CA (just north of Berkeley).  We had a little
> > rain this week, but I am tempted to take off the fenders from my
> > Hillborne pretty soon.  It's freaking gorgeous out.  I got the bike
> > last December, so I've never seen it built up without fenders.
>
> > --
>
> I leave the fenders on year round in Saint Paul.  But I do celebrate the
> change from Winter to Spring by pulling the studded tires off the winter
> ride.  There is nothing quite like that first ride of spring without studded
> tires.  Fortunately this year with our warm March (if it does not snow by
> the end of the month it will be the first March in recorded history in the
> Twin Cities without snow), I was able to pull off the studded tires pretty
> early.
>
> Dan Abelson
> St. Paul, MN

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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne - a fully loaded tourer?

2010-03-26 Thread RoadieRyan
Cot?  can I ask what kind and how small it gets?  that is the posh
life ;-)

On Mar 26, 2:48 pm, Phil Roberts  wrote:
> I've done a few multi-day camp tours on mine. I know that's not like going
> cross-country but I tend to bring all the creature comforts of home along
> with me, including tent, cot, folding camp chair and enough water to travel
> through high dry desert. Compared to my 83 Expedition it handles steep
> climbs wonderfully holding a steady line when the going gets slow. I've
> descended 40 mph full-load and not once felt like I would lose control. Fat
> tires are heavenly on dirt washboard roads.
>
> Phil
> AZ
>
> On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 2:27 PM, happyriding  wrote:
> > Hi,
>
> > Has anyone done any fully loaded touring on a Sam Hillborne?
> > According to the Riv website:
>
> > --You can ride your Sam Hillborne self-contained across the
> > country..."
>
> > I'm wondering if a size 60 is up to the task.  Or is it going to be
> > speed wobbling all over the road?  The tubes aren't as stout as the
> > tubes on the Atlantis, which is available only in the mini sizes now.
> > Anyone know if there are any orange 60's in stock?
>
> > Also, if you like pictures of bikes and haven't seen the pictures
> > here, they are worth looking at:
>
> >http://www.ecovelo.info/2009/09/12/more-sam-h-pics/
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/ecovelo/4148635160/in/set-72157611470108...
>
> > Beautiful photography.
>
> > Thanks.
>
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[RBW] Re: Where are you and when will you take the fenders off for the dry season?

2010-03-26 Thread Mojo
I have fendered and non-fendered bikes. The only problem with that is
making the right choice on any given day. Here in Western Colorado,
the Spring, especially under strong El Ninos, is our wet season. So
its fender bikes most of the time. Early summer is our driest season.
Then the monsoon in late July-September is when I often get cought
unfendered in a torrent. We get less than 9 inches per year on
average, but no year is average. And the surrounding hills and
mountains, where I like to ride, get lots more.

On Mar 26, 3:59 pm, franklyn  wrote:
> I live in Berkeley, so we have the same climate. I have three bikes,
> and all of them are fendered year-long. I rode the shasta super
> century on my fendered ebisu (650b), and drew many double-takes. It
> did rain slightly that morning, but I keep it on not completely for
> rain or wet weather, but to keep my bike clean. I also like the look
> fendered bikes.
>
> Franklyn
>
> On Mar 26, 2:52 pm, Phil Roberts  wrote:
>
>
>
> > I leave my fenders on my fendered bikes year-round. Not too much rain here
> > in the desert but my fendered bikes stay remarkably cleaner than my
> > non-fendered bikes.
>
> > Phil
> > Chandler, AZ
>
> > On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 2:14 PM, William  wrote:
> > > Do you celebrate the changing seasons by annually pulling off the
> > > fenders for the summer and putting them back on for the winter?  When
> > > do you do it?  By feel, by date, or in reaction to the threat of
> > > weather?  Or do you leave them on year-round?
>
> > > I live in El Cerrito, CA (just north of Berkeley).  We had a little
> > > rain this week, but I am tempted to take off the fenders from my
> > > Hillborne pretty soon.  It's freaking gorgeous out.  I got the bike
> > > last December, so I've never seen it built up without fenders.
>
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[RBW] Re: Where are you and when will you take the fenders off for the dry season?

2010-03-26 Thread Esteban
San Diego.  Two bikes have fenders on year-round - Kogswell getter
('cause its probably urine), and the Protovelo, as I believe 650B
needs fenders to make the look on larger frames.

Quickbeam and Romulus have fenders now, but they'll come off later
this Spring.  This time of year, everything is wet in the morning here
on the coast because of fog.  That will last on-and-off through June.
Riding along the coast means road grime is rather salty, and I like
the fenders on there to keep things clean.

Fenders aren't just for rain.  Also, remember about karma.  If you
take them off, then the weather will turn for the worse.  This is an
El Nino year.

Esteban
Sunny (but still a Pacific climate) San Diego, Calif.

On Mar 26, 2:59 pm, franklyn  wrote:
> I live in Berkeley, so we have the same climate. I have three bikes,
> and all of them are fendered year-long. I rode the shasta super
> century on my fendered ebisu (650b), and drew many double-takes. It
> did rain slightly that morning, but I keep it on not completely for
> rain or wet weather, but to keep my bike clean. I also like the look
> fendered bikes.
>
> Franklyn
>
> On Mar 26, 2:52 pm, Phil Roberts  wrote:
>
>
>
> > I leave my fenders on my fendered bikes year-round. Not too much rain here
> > in the desert but my fendered bikes stay remarkably cleaner than my
> > non-fendered bikes.
>
> > Phil
> > Chandler, AZ
>
> > On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 2:14 PM, William  wrote:
> > > Do you celebrate the changing seasons by annually pulling off the
> > > fenders for the summer and putting them back on for the winter?  When
> > > do you do it?  By feel, by date, or in reaction to the threat of
> > > weather?  Or do you leave them on year-round?
>
> > > I live in El Cerrito, CA (just north of Berkeley).  We had a little
> > > rain this week, but I am tempted to take off the fenders from my
> > > Hillborne pretty soon.  It's freaking gorgeous out.  I got the bike
> > > last December, so I've never seen it built up without fenders.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne - a fully loaded tourer?

2010-03-26 Thread Phil Roberts
It's a LuxuryLite, around 2lbs. Expensive but comfy. I put it underneath my
tent so it doesn't rub the tent floor. That is unless I'm sleeping under the
stars.
http://www.luxurylite.com/cotindex

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 3:04 PM, RoadieRyan  wrote:

> Cot?  can I ask what kind and how small it gets?  that is the posh
> life ;-)
>
> On Mar 26, 2:48 pm, Phil Roberts  wrote:
> > I've done a few multi-day camp tours on mine. I know that's not like
> going
> > cross-country but I tend to bring all the creature comforts of home along
> > with me, including tent, cot, folding camp chair and enough water to
> travel
> > through high dry desert. Compared to my 83 Expedition it handles steep
> > climbs wonderfully holding a steady line when the going gets slow. I've
> > descended 40 mph full-load and not once felt like I would lose control.
> Fat
> > tires are heavenly on dirt washboard roads.
> >
> > Phil
> > AZ
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 2:27 PM, happyriding 
> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> >
> > > Has anyone done any fully loaded touring on a Sam Hillborne?
> > > According to the Riv website:
> >
> > > --You can ride your Sam Hillborne self-contained across the
> > > country..."
> >
> > > I'm wondering if a size 60 is up to the task.  Or is it going to be
> > > speed wobbling all over the road?  The tubes aren't as stout as the
> > > tubes on the Atlantis, which is available only in the mini sizes now.
> > > Anyone know if there are any orange 60's in stock?
> >
> > > Also, if you like pictures of bikes and haven't seen the pictures
> > > here, they are worth looking at:
> >
> > >http://www.ecovelo.info/2009/09/12/more-sam-h-pics/
> > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/ecovelo/4148635160/in/set-72157611470108.
> ..
> >
> > > Beautiful photography.
> >
> > > Thanks.
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Re: [RBW] New Betty

2010-03-26 Thread Ray Shine
Wow!  Very nice build.  I am very close to pulling the trigger on a Betty Foy 
(or a Gomez, although I hate the name and slogan on the decals).  My only 
indecision at this point is the cockpit set-up options.  Was that an extra 
charge for that color scheme?

Ray Shine





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Subject: [RBW] New Betty

Since it seems this is the thing you do after you pick up your new
ridehere're the pics 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/8305...@n02/?savedsettings=499651459#photo499651459

Enjoy!

Ps..rides like butter!

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[RBW] Re: New Betty

2010-03-26 Thread Andy.M
That's a great looking ride, Congrats!!   I had not seen any of the
detail on the decals before, I love the apples!
-A

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> ridehere're the 
> picshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/8305...@n02/?savedsettings=499651459#pho...
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Ps..rides like butter!

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[RBW] Re: Where are you and when will you take the fenders off for the dry season?

2010-03-26 Thread soapscum
Seattle. Taking... fenders... off... What a concept.

Yeah, I think I'll be leaving the honjos on indefinitely. It's part of
the reason I chose the hammered honjos (after ease of installation :
\): they look nice enough to wear all year. Maybe I'll put some on my
polo bike...

Shawn

On Mar 26, 3:06 pm, Esteban  wrote:
> San Diego.  Two bikes have fenders on year-round - Kogswell getter
> ('cause its probably urine), and the Protovelo, as I believe 650B
> needs fenders to make the look on larger frames.
>
> Quickbeam and Romulus have fenders now, but they'll come off later
> this Spring.  This time of year, everything is wet in the morning here
> on the coast because of fog.  That will last on-and-off through June.
> Riding along the coast means road grime is rather salty, and I like
> the fenders on there to keep things clean.
>
> Fenders aren't just for rain.  Also, remember about karma.  If you
> take them off, then the weather will turn for the worse.  This is an
> El Nino year.
>
> Esteban
> Sunny (but still a Pacific climate) San Diego, Calif.
>
> On Mar 26, 2:59 pm, franklyn  wrote:
>
> > I live in Berkeley, so we have the same climate. I have three bikes,
> > and all of them are fendered year-long. I rode the shasta super
> > century on my fendered ebisu (650b), and drew many double-takes. It
> > did rain slightly that morning, but I keep it on not completely for
> > rain or wet weather, but to keep my bike clean. I also like the look
> > fendered bikes.
>
> > Franklyn
>
> > On Mar 26, 2:52 pm, Phil Roberts  wrote:
>
> > > I leave my fenders on my fendered bikes year-round. Not too much rain here
> > > in the desert but my fendered bikes stay remarkably cleaner than my
> > > non-fendered bikes.
>
> > > Phil
> > > Chandler, AZ
>
> > > On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 2:14 PM, William  wrote:
> > > > Do you celebrate the changing seasons by annually pulling off the
> > > > fenders for the summer and putting them back on for the winter?  When
> > > > do you do it?  By feel, by date, or in reaction to the threat of
> > > > weather?  Or do you leave them on year-round?
>
> > > > I live in El Cerrito, CA (just north of Berkeley).  We had a little
> > > > rain this week, but I am tempted to take off the fenders from my
> > > > Hillborne pretty soon.  It's freaking gorgeous out.  I got the bike
> > > > last December, so I've never seen it built up without fenders.
>
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[RBW] Re: New Betty

2010-03-26 Thread soapscum
Gorgeous. Congrats on the swank new ride. Tweed for the win!

Shawn

On Mar 26, 3:35 pm, "Andy.M"  wrote:
> That's a great looking ride, Congrats!!   I had not seen any of the
> detail on the decals before, I love the apples!
> -A
>
> On Mar 26, 1:38 pm, Beth  wrote:
>
> > Since it seems this is the thing you do after you pick up your new
> > ridehere're the 
> > picshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/8305...@n02/?savedsettings=499651459#pho...
>
> > Enjoy!
>
> > Ps..rides like butter!

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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne - a fully loaded tourer?

2010-03-26 Thread happyriding
Hi,

Thanks for the response.

On Mar 26, 3:48 pm, Phil Roberts  wrote:
> I've
> descended 40 mph full-load and not once felt like I would lose control.

May I ask what size your Sam Hillborne is?  Front and rear racks?  How
many pounds would you say you had loaded on it?

Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: Where are you and when will you take the fenders off for the dry season?

2010-03-26 Thread rob markwardt
It's taken me over 2 years to get one fender mounted on my
Paramount...should be completed by years end.  There is NO WAY I'm
taking off the fenders that are currently installed.

Rob "my projects take awhile" Markwardt
Seattle, WA

On Mar 26, 3:44 pm, soapscum  wrote:
> Seattle. Taking... fenders... off... What a concept.
>
> Yeah, I think I'll be leaving the honjos on indefinitely. It's part of
> the reason I chose the hammered honjos (after ease of installation :
> \): they look nice enough to wear all year. Maybe I'll put some on my
> polo bike...
>
> Shawn
>
> On Mar 26, 3:06 pm, Esteban  wrote:
>
>
>
> > San Diego.  Two bikes have fenders on year-round - Kogswell getter
> > ('cause its probably urine), and the Protovelo, as I believe 650B
> > needs fenders to make the look on larger frames.
>
> > Quickbeam and Romulus have fenders now, but they'll come off later
> > this Spring.  This time of year, everything is wet in the morning here
> > on the coast because of fog.  That will last on-and-off through June.
> > Riding along the coast means road grime is rather salty, and I like
> > the fenders on there to keep things clean.
>
> > Fenders aren't just for rain.  Also, remember about karma.  If you
> > take them off, then the weather will turn for the worse.  This is an
> > El Nino year.
>
> > Esteban
> > Sunny (but still a Pacific climate) San Diego, Calif.
>
> > On Mar 26, 2:59 pm, franklyn  wrote:
>
> > > I live in Berkeley, so we have the same climate. I have three bikes,
> > > and all of them are fendered year-long. I rode the shasta super
> > > century on my fendered ebisu (650b), and drew many double-takes. It
> > > did rain slightly that morning, but I keep it on not completely for
> > > rain or wet weather, but to keep my bike clean. I also like the look
> > > fendered bikes.
>
> > > Franklyn
>
> > > On Mar 26, 2:52 pm, Phil Roberts  wrote:
>
> > > > I leave my fenders on my fendered bikes year-round. Not too much rain 
> > > > here
> > > > in the desert but my fendered bikes stay remarkably cleaner than my
> > > > non-fendered bikes.
>
> > > > Phil
> > > > Chandler, AZ
>
> > > > On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 2:14 PM, William  wrote:
> > > > > Do you celebrate the changing seasons by annually pulling off the
> > > > > fenders for the summer and putting them back on for the winter?  When
> > > > > do you do it?  By feel, by date, or in reaction to the threat of
> > > > > weather?  Or do you leave them on year-round?
>
> > > > > I live in El Cerrito, CA (just north of Berkeley).  We had a little
> > > > > rain this week, but I am tempted to take off the fenders from my
> > > > > Hillborne pretty soon.  It's freaking gorgeous out.  I got the bike
> > > > > last December, so I've never seen it built up without fenders.
>
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[RBW] Re: Where are you and when will you take the fenders off for the dry season?

2010-03-26 Thread Beth H
On Mar 26, 2:14 pm, William  wrote:
> Do you celebrate the changing seasons by annually pulling off the
> fenders for the summer and putting them back on for the winter?  When
> do you do it?  By feel, by date, or in reaction to the threat of
> weather?  Or do you leave them on year-round?

Portland.
Fenders year-round on all bikes, except my fenderless singlespeed
mountain bike -- which gets a clip-on rear fender if I ride it to work
in the rain.
Beth

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[RBW] Re: New Betty

2010-03-26 Thread happyriding
On Mar 26, 2:41 pm, William  wrote:
> It's so cute and little!  I want to put it in my pocket!
>

Ha ha ha.

Beautiful bike.  There's nothing like picking up a sparkling new
bicycle.

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[RBW] Biking infrastructure article

2010-03-26 Thread Leslie
News like this would make Yehuda happy:
http://greeninc.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/26/transportation-department-embraces-bikes-and-business-groups-cry-foul/

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Re: [RBW] Where are you and when will you take the fenders off for the dry season?

2010-03-26 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Albuquerque, NM, 8 inches a year, and I leave the fenders on three bikes all
year; on the Monocog, for winter only; for the gofast, never -- no braze
ons.

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 3:14 PM, William  wrote:

> Do you celebrate the changing seasons by annually pulling off the
> fenders for the summer and putting them back on for the winter?  When
> do you do it?  By feel, by date, or in reaction to the threat of
> weather?  Or do you leave them on year-round?
>
> I live in El Cerrito, CA (just north of Berkeley).  We had a little
> rain this week, but I am tempted to take off the fenders from my
> Hillborne pretty soon.  It's freaking gorgeous out.  I got the bike
> last December, so I've never seen it built up without fenders.
>
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[RBW] Re: New Betty

2010-03-26 Thread EricP
That's cool!  Now I want a cream headtube on my Hillborne.

Might be my favorite looking Betty Foy.  And a nice, tasteful build,
too.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Mar 26, 3:38�pm, Beth  wrote:
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> ridehere're the 
> picshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/8305...@n02/?savedsettings=499651459#pho...
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Ps..rides like butter!

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[RBW] Re: Where are you and when will you take the fenders off for the dry season?

2010-03-26 Thread EricP
Another St. Paul, MN.  Fenders on all year.  Especially as one has
Berthoud fenders and they are a chore to mount.

Now, I may run the Hunqa without fenders.  Make it more of a "fair
weather" bike.  Just to be different. Plus not sure what if anything
is available for 700C 29er x 60 fenders.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Mar 26, 7:39�pm, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> Albuquerque, NM, 8 inches a year, and I leave the fenders on three bikes all
> year; on the Monocog, for winter only; for the gofast, never -- no braze
> ons.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 3:14 PM, William  wrote:
> > Do you celebrate the changing seasons by annually pulling off the
> > fenders for the summer and putting them back on for the winter? �When
> > do you do it? �By feel, by date, or in reaction to the threat of
> > weather? �Or do you leave them on year-round?
>
> > I live in El Cerrito, CA (just north of Berkeley). �We had a little
> > rain this week, but I am tempted to take off the fenders from my
> > Hillborne pretty soon. �It's freaking gorgeous out. �I got the bike
> > last December, so I've never seen it built up without fenders.
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Re: [RBW] Where are you and when will you take the fenders off for the dry season?

2010-03-26 Thread Bruce
I leave my honjos on year round. I like how they look





From: William 
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Sent: Fri, March 26, 2010 4:14:36 PM
Subject: [RBW] Where are you and when will you take the fenders off for the  
dry season?

Do you celebrate the changing seasons by annually pulling off the
fenders for the summer and putting them back on for the winter?  When
do you do it?  By feel, by date, or in reaction to the threat of
weather?  Or do you leave them on year-round?

I live in El Cerrito, CA (just north of Berkeley).  We had a little
rain this week, but I am tempted to take off the fenders from my
Hillborne pretty soon.  It's freaking gorgeous out.  I got the bike
last December, so I've never seen it built up without fenders.

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[RBW] Re: Where are you and when will you take the fenders off for the dry season?

2010-03-26 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
Eric, Eric, Eric, your LBS has 29x60 fenders in two varieties!

On Mar 26, 7:49 pm, EricP  wrote:
> Another St. Paul, MN.  Fenders on all year.  Especially as one has
> Berthoud fenders and they are a chore to mount.
>
> Now, I may run the Hunqa without fenders.  Make it more of a "fair
> weather" bike.  Just to be different. Plus not sure what if anything
> is available for 700C 29er x 60 fenders.
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
> On Mar 26, 7:39 pm, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
>
> > Albuquerque, NM, 8 inches a year, and I leave the fenders on three bikes all
> > year; on the Monocog, for winter only; for the gofast, never -- no braze
> > ons.
>
> > On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 3:14 PM, William  wrote:
> > > Do you celebrate the changing seasons by annually pulling off the
> > > fenders for the summer and putting them back on for the winter? When
> > > do you do it? By feel, by date, or in reaction to the threat of
> > > weather? Or do you leave them on year-round?
>
> > > I live in El Cerrito, CA (just north of Berkeley). We had a little
> > > rain this week, but I am tempted to take off the fenders from my
> > > Hillborne pretty soon. It's freaking gorgeous out. I got the bike
> > > last December, so I've never seen it built up without fenders.
>
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Re: [RBW] New Betty

2010-03-26 Thread cyclotourist
Yes, that is 100% the correct and appropriate thing to do upon picking up a
new bike!!!

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Beth  wrote:

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> ridehere're the pics
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/8305...@n02/?savedsettings=499651459#photo499651459
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Ps..rides like butter!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Where are you and when will you take the fenders off for the dry season?

2010-03-26 Thread cyclotourist
Redlands California.  Took em off two weeks ago.  The great El Nino faucet
has been turned off.  Will leave 'em off till maybe December or so.
Esge/SKS, take about 5 min to take on/off.

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
thill@gmail.com> wrote:

> Eric, Eric, Eric, your LBS has 29x60 fenders in two varieties!
>
> On Mar 26, 7:49 pm, EricP  wrote:
> > Another St. Paul, MN.  Fenders on all year.  Especially as one has
> > Berthoud fenders and they are a chore to mount.
> >
> > Now, I may run the Hunqa without fenders.  Make it more of a "fair
> > weather" bike.  Just to be different. Plus not sure what if anything
> > is available for 700C 29er x 60 fenders.
> >
> > Eric Platt
> > St. Paul, MN
> >
> > On Mar 26, 7:39 pm, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> >
> > > Albuquerque, NM, 8 inches a year, and I leave the fenders on three
> bikes all
> > > year; on the Monocog, for winter only; for the gofast, never -- no
> braze
> > > ons.
> >
> > > On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 3:14 PM, William  wrote:
> > > > Do you celebrate the changing seasons by annually pulling off the
> > > > fenders for the summer and putting them back on for the winter? When
> > > > do you do it? By feel, by date, or in reaction to the threat of
> > > > weather? Or do you leave them on year-round?
> >
> > > > I live in El Cerrito, CA (just north of Berkeley). We had a little
> > > > rain this week, but I am tempted to take off the fenders from my
> > > > Hillborne pretty soon. It's freaking gorgeous out. I got the bike
> > > > last December, so I've never seen it built up without fenders.
> >
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[RBW] Re: Where are you and when will you take the fenders off for the dry season?

2010-03-26 Thread charlie
Fenders help for more than just rainI leave mine on all year and
enjoy a cleaner bike because of them. You'll get less paint chips and
road tar on your bicycle too. I like the look of a fendered bicycle
and have a rear reflector mounted on my mudflap not to mention
reflector tape stuck on them for night riding.

On Mar 26, 2:14 pm, William  wrote:
> Do you celebrate the changing seasons by annually pulling off the
> fenders for the summer and putting them back on for the winter?  When
> do you do it?  By feel, by date, or in reaction to the threat of
> weather?  Or do you leave them on year-round?
>
> I live in El Cerrito, CA (just north of Berkeley).  We had a little
> rain this week, but I am tempted to take off the fenders from my
> Hillborne pretty soon.  It's freaking gorgeous out.  I got the bike
> last December, so I've never seen it built up without fenders.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne - a fully loaded tourer?

2010-03-26 Thread Phil Roberts
It's a 52cm frame so it has 650B wheels. I have a Tubus Vega on the rear.
I've run it with a Nitto M12 on the front but that rack is currently back on
my Expedition and I'm running the Hillborne primarily as a rear loader with
a small handlebar-mounted bag in the front. By the way, the Hillborne
handles nicely with 5-6 lbs of stuff up front. With full rear panniers and
sleeping stuff strapped to the Tubus, I have around 30-35 lbs of gear plus
my 170 lbs.

Phil

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 4:44 PM, happyriding  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Thanks for the response.
>
> On Mar 26, 3:48 pm, Phil Roberts  wrote:
> > I've
> > descended 40 mph full-load and not once felt like I would lose control.
>
> May I ask what size your Sam Hillborne is?  Front and rear racks?  How
> many pounds would you say you had loaded on it?
>
> Thanks.
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[RBW] powder coat and decals?

2010-03-26 Thread jandrews_nyc
After a scary, but totally non-destructive crash, my bike has major
scrapes.
frame is fine, but i'm thinking of having it powder coated by a place
in the bronx.
its a hillborne, and I'm wondering if Rivendell will send out
replacement decals.
Anyone have experience with this?

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[RBW] Re: powder coat and decals?

2010-03-26 Thread doug peterson
"Scary but totally non-destructive" sounds like a close call; hope you
didn't get hurt.  Contact Riv about the decals.

On Mar 26, 7:57 pm, jandrews_nyc  wrote:
> After a scary, but totally non-destructive crash, my bike has major
> scrapes.
> frame is fine, but i'm thinking of having it powder coated by a place
> in the bronx.
> its a hillborne, and I'm wondering if Rivendell will send out
> replacement decals.
> Anyone have experience with this?

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[RBW] Re: New Betty

2010-03-26 Thread Beth
Thanks for all your great comments! It's been alot of fun reading this
list over the winter, drooling over the Rivbike site and picking out
parts and hemming a hawing. You all have really provided priceless
information through incredibly pleasant and lively discussion.

What a great community.

See you on the road...and in the dirt!

On Mar 26, 6:22 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
> Yes, that is 100% the correct and appropriate thing to do upon picking up a
> new bike!!!
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Beth  wrote:
> > Since it seems this is the thing you do after you pick up your new
> > ridehere're the pics
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/8305...@n02/?savedsettings=499651459#pho...
>
> > Enjoy!
>
> > Ps..rides like butter!
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Re: [RBW] Where are you and when will you take the fenders off for the dry season?

2010-03-26 Thread Horace
San Jose (CA). I leave the fenders on my Quickbeam year-round. Most of my
bikes do not have fenders, though.

Horace.

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 2:14 PM, William  wrote:

> Do you celebrate the changing seasons by annually pulling off the
> fenders for the summer and putting them back on for the winter?  When
> do you do it?  By feel, by date, or in reaction to the threat of
> weather?  Or do you leave them on year-round?
>
> I live in El Cerrito, CA (just north of Berkeley).  We had a little
> rain this week, but I am tempted to take off the fenders from my
> Hillborne pretty soon.  It's freaking gorgeous out.  I got the bike
> last December, so I've never seen it built up without fenders.
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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne - a fully loaded tourer?

2010-03-26 Thread doug peterson
Riv's pretty conservative - if they say you can do it, it can be
done.  Part of Riv's charm is the versatility of their bikes.  Hope
somebody with a Sam chimes in because I'll bet it works well.

I have an Atlantis & it can wobble badly if incorrectly loaded, so
there's more to it than tubing weights and geometry.  I've
experimented to find the right loading for me (yours may be entirely
different) & it's rock solid, done right.  My camping load is around
40 lbs & I use low riders and a rear rack.  I'm convinced that
individual riders and their riding style are a big factor in how a
bike handles under load.  The conventional wisdom is Rivendell's are
"rear loaders" but that's not been my experience.  I put more of my
load on the front than rear.

dougP

On Mar 26, 2:27 pm, happyriding  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Has anyone done any fully loaded touring on a Sam Hillborne?
> According to the Riv website:
>
> --You can ride your Sam Hillborne self-contained across the
> country..."
>
> I'm wondering if a size 60 is up to the task.  Or is it going to be
> speed wobbling all over the road?  The tubes aren't as stout as the
> tubes on the Atlantis, which is available only in the mini sizes now.
> Anyone know if there are any orange 60's in stock?
>
> Also, if you like pictures of bikes and haven't seen the pictures
> here, they are worth looking at:
>
> http://www.ecovelo.info/2009/09/12/more-sam-h-pics/http://www.flickr.com/photos/ecovelo/4148635160/in/set-72157611470108...
>
> Beautiful photography.
>
> Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: Where are you and when will you take the fenders off for the dry season?

2010-03-26 Thread doug peterson
I live in Southern California, & don't own any fenders.  Winter prep
is to add a saddlebag to carry more clothes.  I apologize for the tone
but I bite my tongue for several months during the discussions of
studded tires, fender mounting, etc., and I just couldn't resist this
one.

dougP

On Mar 26, 2:14 pm, William  wrote:
> Do you celebrate the changing seasons by annually pulling off the
> fenders for the summer and putting them back on for the winter?  When
> do you do it?  By feel, by date, or in reaction to the threat of
> weather?  Or do you leave them on year-round?
>
> I live in El Cerrito, CA (just north of Berkeley).  We had a little
> rain this week, but I am tempted to take off the fenders from my
> Hillborne pretty soon.  It's freaking gorgeous out.  I got the bike
> last December, so I've never seen it built up without fenders.

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[RBW] Re: New Betty

2010-03-26 Thread doug peterson
Looks like a lot of thought went into the details.  The result is
stunning.  I've never been keen on tweed but the bag, fender flap and
the color just work so well.  You say "rides like butter" - what tires
& size did you select?

dougP

On Mar 26, 1:38 pm, Beth  wrote:
> Since it seems this is the thing you do after you pick up your new
> ridehere're the 
> picshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/8305...@n02/?savedsettings=499651459#pho...
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Ps..rides like butter!

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[RBW] Re: Where are you and when will you take the fenders off for the dry season?

2010-03-26 Thread William
Haha Doug.

I agree that fenders look really great, and high end fashion fenders
like hammered Honjos or color matched ones probably belong on the bike
year round.

For me I like the changes and having to get used to it.  It keeps
things fresh between me and my bike.  Spice it up, you know?

I admit the karma side has occurred to me.  I take my fenders off and
blammo, there's a storm.  It's taken quite a lot of time for me to
realize that I am not actually the center of the universe.

Whatever your annual fender policy...happy spring everyone.

Bill
On Mar 26, 9:26 pm, doug peterson  wrote:
> I live in Southern California, & don't own any fenders.  Winter prep
> is to add a saddlebag to carry more clothes.  I apologize for the tone
> but I bite my tongue for several months during the discussions of
> studded tires, fender mounting, etc., and I just couldn't resist this
> one.
>
> dougP
>
> On Mar 26, 2:14 pm, William  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Do you celebrate the changing seasons by annually pulling off the
> > fenders for the summer and putting them back on for the winter?  When
> > do you do it?  By feel, by date, or in reaction to the threat of
> > weather?  Or do you leave them on year-round?
>
> > I live in El Cerrito, CA (just north of Berkeley).  We had a little
> > rain this week, but I am tempted to take off the fenders from my
> > Hillborne pretty soon.  It's freaking gorgeous out.  I got the bike
> > last December, so I've never seen it built up without fenders.

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[RBW] Re: Where are you and when will you take the fenders off for the dry season?

2010-03-26 Thread RoadieRyan
Seattlewhat Shawn (Soapscum) said above

On the steel bike they stay on full time mostly due to the fact that
its ..uh..Seattle and also due to the removal hassle factor - VO
fluted not exactly quick release ;-)  but I have the luxury that my
"go fast" circa 1999 Aluminum Cannondale R800 goes fender-less for
those sunny days when I want to ride with fast friends.

The funny thing is that I tried to adapt the R800 to a more "all
rounder" type bike a while back and got a bike that did nothing well.
Once I built up the steel steed to be the comfort/commuter/rain/errand/
noodling around bike I stripped the R800 down and put it back to "race
bike" mode and now its light (relatively) twitchy (in a good way) and
fast, or at least as fast as it will go with me riding it.

Is it wrong that I am lusting after a 3rd road bike (AMOS/San Marcos)
for my stable? .. wait a sec look who I'm asking!

Ryan "Fenders are your friend in the Pacific NW" Surface

On Mar 26, 9:46 pm, William  wrote:
> Haha Doug.
>
> I agree that fenders look really great, and high end fashion fenders
> like hammered Honjos or color matched ones probably belong on the bike
> year round.
>
> For me I like the changes and having to get used to it.  It keeps
> things fresh between me and my bike.  Spice it up, you know?
>
> I admit the karma side has occurred to me.  I take my fenders off and
> blammo, there's a storm.  It's taken quite a lot of time for me to
> realize that I am not actually the center of the universe.
>
> Whatever your annual fender policy...happy spring everyone.
>
> Bill
> On Mar 26, 9:26 pm, doug peterson  wrote:
>
> > I live in Southern California, & don't own any fenders.  Winter prep
> > is to add a saddlebag to carry more clothes.  I apologize for the tone
> > but I bite my tongue for several months during the discussions of
> > studded tires, fender mounting, etc., and I just couldn't resist this
> > one.
>
> > dougP
>
> > On Mar 26, 2:14 pm, William  wrote:
>
> > > Do you celebrate the changing seasons by annually pulling off the
> > > fenders for the summer and putting them back on for the winter?  When
> > > do you do it?  By feel, by date, or in reaction to the threat of
> > > weather?  Or do you leave them on year-round?
>
> > > I live in El Cerrito, CA (just north of Berkeley).  We had a little
> > > rain this week, but I am tempted to take off the fenders from my
> > > Hillborne pretty soon.  It's freaking gorgeous out.  I got the bike
> > > last December, so I've never seen it built up without fenders.

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