Re: [RBW] Re: RIV status of 650; and big frames .
On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 22:51 -0700, Esteban wrote: If Anthony at Longleaf can pull together reliable deliver of his version of the P/R, there should be good, cheap 650B options out there. Yes, but what, if anything is happening with that effort? There hasn't been an update since last year, only questions without answers. I don't find Anthony's silence in any way reassuring. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Vitruvian Shoes
I got a pair of these based on a list recommendation and enjoy them for cycling as well as walking. I noticed today that they are closing up and offering all remaining shoes at $25/pr. Some might be interested http://www.vitruvianrunning.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Want some 700C Hetres or Pari-Motos? Sign up here
At just under 6', I do not think 700 42s would fit as well as that width does on a 650b frame. But definitely would be willing to pre-pay for a 700 38 ultra-light. On Aug 17, 10:13 pm, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: Note, I have absolutely no power to make this happen, but if there are enough of us who would pre-order such a beast, perhaps someone with actual power would make this happen. Please specify if you have a preference for a Pari-Moto (38mm, ultra-light) or a Hetre (42mm, slightly thicker tread, but still very supple). Personally, I'd be happy to prepay $120 for a pair of either of them. Cheers, Gernot -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Vitruvian Shoes
I found that if you supinate, that is your ankles tend to roll outward as you walk, then Vitruvians are not for you. The inner half of the heel is more firm, the outer half softer. On Aug 18, 6:23 am, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: I got a pair of these based on a list recommendation and enjoy them for cycling as well as walking. I noticed today that they are closing up and offering all remaining shoes at $25/pr. Some might be interested http://www.vitruvianrunning.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Want some 700C Hetres or Pari-Motos? Sign up here
I would definately be in for a pair of Hetres. On Aug 17, 10:13 pm, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: Note, I have absolutely no power to make this happen, but if there are enough of us who would pre-order such a beast, perhaps someone with actual power would make this happen. Please specify if you have a preference for a Pari-Moto (38mm, ultra-light) or a Hetre (42mm, slightly thicker tread, but still very supple). Personally, I'd be happy to prepay $120 for a pair of either of them. Cheers, Gernot -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Want some 700C Hetres or Pari-Motos? Sign up here
+1 for either, Pari-Moto preferred. But if both were available I'd get 'em as long as the pricing wasn't too out of line with Marathon Supremes. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On Aug 17, 10:13 pm, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: Note, I have absolutely no power to make this happen, but if there are enough of us who would pre-order such a beast, perhaps someone with actual power would make this happen. Please specify if you have a preference for a Pari-Moto (38mm, ultra-light) or a Hetre (42mm, slightly thicker tread, but still very supple). Personally, I'd be happy to prepay $120 for a pair of either of them. Cheers, Gernot -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Western Mass
On Aug 17, 8:14 pm, alford jalfor...@gmail.com wrote: I'm moving to Western Mass next month and wanted to know if anyone on the list has any tips, insights, whathaveyou to offer to a newbie in the area. Especially interested in winter riding and road conditions. I know this is a bit OT but I do have a Quickbeam that I hope to introduce to the area. Feel free to comment offline if it seems appropiate. it's beautiful, and there's a very strong cycling scene there. lots to explore, and you're not far from the Adirondacks, Green Mountains, and White Mountains when you want to get out of the Berkshires. depending on where you're coming from, the winter riding and road conditions might be shocking. It gets really cold, ice is a real danger on the road and i've never seen potholes of such magnitude as those in Mass (and we have some monsters in VT). there are a number of clubs to reach out to - the folks at New England Randonneurs (NERds) are very friendly and knowledgeable and could probably hook you up with some great routes to start exploring. New Horizons Bike shop in Westfield, MA also hosts a brevet series - the owner there, Don Podloski (sp.?), knows his way around the area as well as anyone. annual events like D2R2 and the Green River Ride (Westfield brevets) are very popular, must do rides. Enjoy! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: RIV status of 650; and big frames .
And this shows how different folks react to bikes. I wanted to love the P/R. Tried everything possible to get it to work for me. Unfortunately, there were some issues that were for me insurmountable. Have a theory, although it is neither here nor there at this point. (But will mention it would be interesting to ride that bike again now that I've lost another 20+ pounds. If it still handles the same, then the theory is out the window.) As for tire choice, the thing I like about 650B is the slightly wider tires. Although with 40's on the Hillborne and 50's on my LHT, it's no longer such an issue. For wide tires, am pleased with current choices. While I would like a tire that would handle like a Hetre, the glass strewn roads around here would prevent me from actually using it. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Aug 18, 12:51 am, Esteban kemm...@gmail.com wrote: Eric's old Kogswell really gets me (and the groceries and kids) around! 650B city bike, I've found, takes the cake (along with the lumps and bumps). http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671...@n02/4590765200/ If Anthony at Longleaf can pull together reliable deliver of his version of the P/R, there should be good, cheap 650B options out there. Riv is in the game for good -- just not for the big sizes. The Hetres Pari-Motos have really pushed the discussion of wheel size over to discussion of tires. In my estimation, I think like this: Harsh = any 23mm race tire Fast = (700c) Challenge Parigi-Roubiax; (650B) Pari-Moto; (650B) Hetre. Here, 700c has its own sporty charms, but the volume of the 650B offerings is an added bonus All-rounder = (700c) Jack Brown Greens; (700c) Paselas in 32 or 35; (650B0 Col de La Vie or maybe the new Somas. Invincible = any Schwalbe tractor tire When I ordered my Ebisu randonneuse, I went with 700c. It was a tough decision, but I wanted to run skinnier tires for near-excusive road riding. How about everyone just get one of each? Esteban San Diego, Calif. On Aug 17, 8:06 pm, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: What a difference 10 months make. Last October I ordered my Sam, and being between the 52 and the 56, I ordered the 56, partly because my 19 year old other bike (Fisher Sphinx monster cross) is decidedly too small (17!), and Grant was encouraging me to go big. But I also live in Thailand, and while 700C stuff I like is hard to impossible to find here (it's either ultra-light racing stuff, or cheap tank-like hybrid stuff), I figured that if I did have an emergency, I could find *some* 700C rim or tire here locally (and I have already had two rims destroyed by cars here). But at the time, though I would have been interested in 650B, the word Hetre did not yet speed up my pulse. I didn't know what it was, or how special. I also used to put 28s on my Fisher for road rides, and 45s for mtn bike rides, and hadn't discovered the immense pleasure of mixed-surface rides. Now I have, and for each ride I choose between 42mm semi knobbies (on the Fisher) and 33mm JBs or 35mm Paselas (on the Sam) depending on expected conditions. I'd really like something that combines the advantages of both. So I am putting my money where my mouth is, and will start a new thread to see how many of us would pre-pay for a 700C Pari-Moto or Hetre? However, on Monday for our weekly local Rivride, we did one of my favorite 50k loops, which involves a lot of pavement, but also at least 10k of dirt, some of which is rather steep and technical. I had decided before that my 42mm knobbies were better for this ride, and had I known we would go this route, I probably would have picked the Fisher. But I found that the JBs performed really well. There was one steep climb where I momentarily lost traction on the rear wheel, but I recovered and made it to the top. I didn't dismount any more often or descend more slowly than my companions on fatter tires. Not to say that a 700C PariMoto wouldn't have been better, but I found that I do enjoy riding a tire that is a bit too skinny for the conditions, as it forces me to become fully present in what I am doing, for a zen-like cycling experience. :) Here's a photo:http://www.flickr.com/photos/25150...@n08/4903469472/ Cheers, Gernot On Aug 18, 7:18 am, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Having been on that ride, I can attest to the bike's beauty. Unfortunately, don't have a good photo of it to add. Yes, a reflector would be a nice add on, but the integrated light makes up for that in my opinion. Part of me wishes for a larger 650B bike again. (Esteban has the one I tried to get to work). And do have some regrets not buying a 61cm Bleriot instead. All in all, though am quite content with my other choices. And really, when it comes to being different, my larger frame 26 wheel bike is just fine. http://www.flickr.com/photos/14126...@n05/4532886734/in/set-721576237... Eric
Re: [RBW] Re: RIV status of 650; and big frames .
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:12 AM, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: And this shows how different folks react to bikes. I wanted to love the P/R. Tried everything possible to get it to work for me. Unfortunately, there were some issues that were for me insurmountable. Have a theory, although it is neither here nor there at this point. (But will mention it would be interesting to ride that bike again now that I've lost another 20+ pounds. If it still handles the same, then the theory is out the window.) I'm with you on the P/R. I wanted to like mine but the quality control issues were very frustrating to me. Having to limit out the smallest cog no matter how small it was b/c the chain rubbed the seat stay was frustrating. Having to deflate the tire on a fenderless install of 35mm tires in order to get the rear wheel in or out b/c the drop outs were too long was also just too much irritation. It rode nicely enough but I didn't like all the misc details that weren't quite right. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Friction shifting with Dia Compe bar end “Silver Shifters”
Thanks for all the replys. My bike is quite new and the shifting is fine other than the largest cogs. If the problem was with derailleur hanger, would it affect all the gears? If forgot to say that the cassette is 9 speed (11-34). Grant Petersen's advice on the Shifting page on rivbike.com sounds good. I think I have two different problems. First, it’s really hard for me to get exact shifts with the biggest cogs with “Silver Shifters” and secondly I had wrong technique (or no technique at all) on upphills. I guess I need to go out and practice the shifting with the biggest cogs and then try Grant Petersen's advice on uphills - to first pedal hard for a stroke to get up a small bit of speed and the pedal lightly and shift. Is there anyone else using the “Silver Shifters” with Shimano 9 speed 11-34. I’m wondering if it’s really so that they don’t work together well - or is it just about the technique? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: Want some 700C Hetres or Pari-Motos? Sign up here
+1 for either or both -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Lynn Skean Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 9:51 AM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Want some 700C Hetres or Pari-Motos? Sign up here +1 for either, Pari-Moto preferred. But if both were available I'd get 'em as long as the pricing wasn't too out of line with Marathon Supremes. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On Aug 17, 10:13 pm, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: Note, I have absolutely no power to make this happen, but if there are enough of us who would pre-order such a beast, perhaps someone with actual power would make this happen. Please specify if you have a preference for a Pari-Moto (38mm, ultra-light) or a Hetre (42mm, slightly thicker tread, but still very supple). Personally, I'd be happy to prepay $120 for a pair of either of them. Cheers, Gernot -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Friction shifting with Dia Compe bar e nd ³Silver Shifters²
on 8/18/10 8:17 AM, JLa at juhani.lait...@gmail.com wrote: Is there anyone else using the ³Silver Shifters² with Shimano 9 speed 11-34. I¹m wondering if it¹s really so that they don¹t work together well - or is it just about the technique? The main challanges with 9 speed gearing and friction shifting are that (1) you don't have as much margin for error as fewer rear sprockets (8, 7, 6, 5...), and (2) _everything_ about the design of the sprockets is designed to let the chain shift smoothly and quickly to a different sprocket. (In the olden days, you had to pretty significantly over-shift, then trim back - now, you kind of nudge it into the next gear). You can definitely use friction shifting with 9 speed setups. You'll learn the discrete amount you need to shift and it will become second nature. It might also help to find what works for your riding style and hand position. I find that for me, keeping my thumb and forefinger on the bars supplies a reference - I shift up with my wrist and the little and ring finger and down with the heel of my palm. Taking your hand completely off the bar to shift is a little less specific. -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net ³Velvet pillows, safari parks, sunglasses: people have become woolly mice. They still have bodies that can walk for five days and four nights through a desert of snow, without food, but they accept praise for having taken a one-hour bicycle ride.² - Tim Krabbe, The Rider Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Send In Your Photos! - Here's how: http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] WTT/WTS: Paul Racer Brakes for Racer Medium Brakes
I'll buy them if they're not already gone. -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 4:34 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] WTT/WTS: Paul Racer Brakes for Racer Medium Brakes I realize that this is a long shot, but I figured it's worth a shot... I've got a pair of NIB Paul Racer Brakes in Silver Anodized that I'd like to trade for a pair of the shorter reach Racer Medium brakes in any finish. Alternatively, I'm willing to sell the pair for $149 + shipping. Thanks, -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: RIV status of 650; and big frames .
On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 11:17 -0400, Seth Vidal wrote: On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:12 AM, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: And this shows how different folks react to bikes. I wanted to love the P/R. Tried everything possible to get it to work for me. Unfortunately, there were some issues that were for me insurmountable. Have a theory, although it is neither here nor there at this point. (But will mention it would be interesting to ride that bike again now that I've lost another 20+ pounds. If it still handles the same, then the theory is out the window.) I'm with you on the P/R. I wanted to like mine but the quality control issues were very frustrating to me. Having to limit out the smallest cog no matter how small it was b/c the chain rubbed the seat stay was frustrating. Having to deflate the tire on a fenderless install of 35mm tires in order to get the rear wheel in or out b/c the drop outs were too long was also just too much irritation. It rode nicely enough but I didn't like all the misc details that weren't quite right. Having to deflate the tire wasn't a quality control issue, but rather the consequence of the decision to go with horizontal dropouts, I believe. And that, in turn, is traceable to a desire to accommodate both internal gear and derailleur drive trains. As for the chain rubbing the seat stay, no idea about that - it doesn't happen with either of my 650B P/Rs. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: RIV status of 650; and big frames .
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: Having to deflate the tire wasn't a quality control issue, but rather the consequence of the decision to go with horizontal dropouts, I believe. Making the dropouts a tiny amount shorter would have solved that one. And that, in turn, is traceable to a desire to accommodate both internal gear and derailleur drive trains. As for the chain rubbing the seat stay, no idea about that - it doesn't happen with either of my 650B P/Rs. happened, iirc, on all of the 700c P/Rs. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Friction shifting with Dia Compe bar end “Silver Shifters”
I use 8-speed on all the Rivendells. Silver shifters with an 8speed SRAM 11-32 cassette. I use a normal rise rear derailleur, and I can absolutely shove it from the second-largest to the largest cog under load silently. Shifting to a smaller cog is already lightly loaded, because I'm shifting to a smaller cog for a reason, so that shift is great, too. I do sometimes undershift a hair and get some in between cog chain noise because the ramped modern cogsets want to shift, but that's just a trim excercise. Silver shifters are very cool and very smooth, and friction shifting is so very easy to maintain, but still, I'd advise Shimano index for anyone who might get frustrated with any of the technique aspects. My Bombadil, with 8 speed index on Paul Thumbies is the best shifting bike I've ever ridden. Absolutely flawless. So if you wanted to try any new parts, I'd put a +1 for possibly trying an 8-speed cogset, and a +1 for possibly trying Shimano barcon shifters. Remember they have the friction option if you want to grouch-out retro-wise. On Aug 18, 8:17 am, JLa juhani.lait...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for all the replys. My bike is quite new and the shifting is fine other than the largest cogs. If the problem was with derailleur hanger, would it affect all the gears? If forgot to say that the cassette is 9 speed (11-34). Grant Petersen's advice on the Shifting page on rivbike.com sounds good. I think I have two different problems. First, it’s really hard for me to get exact shifts with the biggest cogs with “Silver Shifters” and secondly I had wrong technique (or no technique at all) on upphills. I guess I need to go out and practice the shifting with the biggest cogs and then try Grant Petersen's advice on uphills - to first pedal hard for a stroke to get up a small bit of speed and the pedal lightly and shift. Is there anyone else using the “Silver Shifters” with Shimano 9 speed 11-34. I’m wondering if it’s really so that they don’t work together well - or is it just about the technique? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Want some 700C Hetres or Pari-Motos? Sign up here
excellent idea. +1 for either or both. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Friction shifting with Dia Compe bar e nd “Silver Shifters”
I would also recommend going 8 cog on the back. I found 9 too touchy with my Silvers. 8's easy. Brian On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 9:34 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I use 8-speed on all the Rivendells. Silver shifters with an 8speed SRAM 11-32 cassette. I use a normal rise rear derailleur, and I can absolutely shove it from the second-largest to the largest cog under load silently. Shifting to a smaller cog is already lightly loaded, because I'm shifting to a smaller cog for a reason, so that shift is great, too. I do sometimes undershift a hair and get some in between cog chain noise because the ramped modern cogsets want to shift, but that's just a trim excercise. Silver shifters are very cool and very smooth, and friction shifting is so very easy to maintain, but still, I'd advise Shimano index for anyone who might get frustrated with any of the technique aspects. My Bombadil, with 8 speed index on Paul Thumbies is the best shifting bike I've ever ridden. Absolutely flawless. So if you wanted to try any new parts, I'd put a +1 for possibly trying an 8-speed cogset, and a +1 for possibly trying Shimano barcon shifters. Remember they have the friction option if you want to grouch-out retro-wise. On Aug 18, 8:17 am, JLa juhani.lait...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for all the replys. My bike is quite new and the shifting is fine other than the largest cogs. If the problem was with derailleur hanger, would it affect all the gears? If forgot to say that the cassette is 9 speed (11-34). Grant Petersen's advice on the Shifting page on rivbike.com sounds good. I think I have two different problems. First, it’s really hard for me to get exact shifts with the biggest cogs with “Silver Shifters” and secondly I had wrong technique (or no technique at all) on upphills. I guess I need to go out and practice the shifting with the biggest cogs and then try Grant Petersen's advice on uphills - to first pedal hard for a stroke to get up a small bit of speed and the pedal lightly and shift. Is there anyone else using the “Silver Shifters” with Shimano 9 speed 11-34. I’m wondering if it’s really so that they don’t work together well - or is it just about the technique? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: RIV status of 650; and big frames .
On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 12:27 -0400, Seth Vidal wrote: On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: Having to deflate the tire wasn't a quality control issue, but rather the consequence of the decision to go with horizontal dropouts, I believe. Making the dropouts a tiny amount shorter would have solved that one. Not really. I had a frame builder remove as much from the dropouts as he safely could. I could get Col de la Vies out without deflating... and then I switched the bike to Pari Motos, and I'm back to having to deflate the tire to remove and replace the wheel. And that, in turn, is traceable to a desire to accommodate both internal gear and derailleur drive trains. As for the chain rubbing the seat stay, no idea about that - it doesn't happen with either of my 650B P/Rs. happened, iirc, on all of the 700c P/Rs. I think the 700C P/R was an ill-advised hack. Matthew should have left well enough alone and Just Said No. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Friction shifting with Dia Compe bar e nd “Silver Shifters”
On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 09:48 -0700, Brian Hanson wrote: I would also recommend going 8 cog on the back. I found 9 too touchy with my Silvers. 8's easy. I wasn't successful with 8, but found 7 easy. Actually, I can't see the point of 8. In the first place, the selection of available cassettes in 8 has dwindled to the point there isn't one I'd be interested in, other than the Harris custom cassettes. 7, by contrast, has a much wider selection of available useful cassettes, including a 14-32 (you'd be amazed how nice the gearing on a 650B bike is with a 39/53 crank and a 14-32) a 13-30 and a 13-34 for loaded touring. What's more, with a 135 hub a 7 speed with a spacer behind it lets you use all 7 sprockets on the big ring without angularity problems. With an 8 speed cassette, you'd be limited to the outer 7 and would be unable to use the largest sprocket with the big ring. That doesn't sound like such a big deal, but until you're able to do it you don't appreciate how handy it can be to avoid having to do a cross-over shift on a short moderate grade. And finally, 7 is -- in my experience, anyway -- much easier to accurately shift with friction. That's a good thing, because you won't find any new indexed 7 speed shifters, although there are usually plenty of used ones, especially downtube shifters, to be had fairly cheap on ebay. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Friction shifting with Dia Compe bar e nd “Silver Shifters”
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: I wasn't successful with 8, but found 7 easy. Actually, I can't see the point of 8. In the first place, the selection of available cassettes in 8 has dwindled to the point there isn't one I'd be interested in, other than the Harris custom cassettes. 7, by contrast, has a much wider selection of available useful cassettes, including a 14-32 (you'd be amazed how nice the gearing on a 650B bike is with a 39/53 crank and a 14-32) a 13-30 and a 13-34 for loaded touring. What's more, with a 135 hub a 7 speed with a spacer behind it lets you use all 7 sprockets on the big ring without angularity problems. With an 8 speed cassette, you'd be limited to the outer 7 and would be unable to use the largest sprocket with the big ring. That doesn't sound like such a big deal, but until you're able to do it you don't appreciate how handy it can be to avoid having to do a cross-over shift on a short moderate grade. okay - so this may be my own ignorance and vanity but: - where are you finding 7speed silver cassettes? -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Friction shifting with Dia Compe bar e nd “Silver Shifters”
On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 13:00 -0400, Seth Vidal wrote: okay - so this may be my own ignorance and vanity but: - where are you finding 7speed silver cassettes? Depends what you're looking for. I googled around just now and found a bunch of 11-whatevers and a 13-34. When they first discontinued the HG70 in 13-30 a few months ago I found a source that had stock and bought a few. The HG50s (black) are still widely available. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Friction shifting with Dia Compe bar e nd “Silver Shifters”
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 13:00 -0400, Seth Vidal wrote: okay - so this may be my own ignorance and vanity but: - where are you finding 7speed silver cassettes? Depends what you're looking for. I googled around just now and found a bunch of 11-whatevers and a 13-34. When they first discontinued the HG70 in 13-30 a few months ago I found a source that had stock and bought a few. The HG50s (black) are still widely available. An 11-28 doesn't do much for me vs what I have in 8sp and 9sp. I have an hg50 in black and it pains me to admit it but it looks awful. It's like having 1 black anodized rim and one silver, it just kinda stands out. Doesn't effect the ride at all, of course, but there is something to aesthetics. :) -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Friction shifting with Dia Compe bar e nd ³Silver Shifters²
My Ram came stock with Ultegra 9 speed (12 - 27) and bar ends and as JIm notes, I just have only to use a light touch to get them to shift. After over 6,000 miles it's all still working very well. (chain was replaced but the rest is original.) From: CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net You can definitely use friction shifting with 9 speed setups. You'll learn the discrete amount you need to shift and it will become second nature. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Friction shifting with Dia Compe bar e nd “Silver Shifters”
On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 13:17 -0400, Seth Vidal wrote: An 11-28 doesn't do much for me vs what I have in 8sp and 9sp. I have an hg50 in black and it pains me to admit it but it looks awful. It's like having 1 black anodized rim and one silver, it just kinda stands out. Doesn't effect the ride at all, of course, but there is something to aesthetics. :) So what do you like? I found 2 sources for 13-34, and I found 13-30 on ebay in the first 5 pages of google shopping search results. I don't pay attention to the other combinations, because I don't use them -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Friction shifting with Dia Compe bar e nd “Silver Shifters”
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 13:17 -0400, Seth Vidal wrote: An 11-28 doesn't do much for me vs what I have in 8sp and 9sp. I have an hg50 in black and it pains me to admit it but it looks awful. It's like having 1 black anodized rim and one silver, it just kinda stands out. Doesn't effect the ride at all, of course, but there is something to aesthetics. :) So what do you like? I found 2 sources for 13-34, and I found 13-30 on ebay in the first 5 pages of google shopping search results. I don't pay attention to the other combinations, because I don't use them 13-30 works for me. 13-34 is also fine. I was thinking of things less fly-by-night than ebay but you're right - I could fetch them up from there. thanks -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] For eBay: B'stone / BOB material, plus update on my For Sale List
Hello fellow Rivendell riders: Thanks for your enthusiasm for helping me clean out my garage! What's left for sale (but will go eBay by tomorrow if I don't sell it here first) includes black and gray Brooks B17 Champion Special saddles with titanium rails, Sidi Cycle Titanium shoes in 44, Rivendell Hupe, and Rivendell wool dots gloves. Photos and prices here: http://www.adventurecorps.com/forsale/index.html Otherwise, you may be interested in several new auctions which I just started on eBay. Here are all my auctions (seller name is AdventureGumby): http://shop.ebay.com/adventuregumby/m.html?_nkw=_armrs=1_from=_ipg=_trksid=p3686 Items now also for sale include: Bridgestone Owners Bunch (BOB) postcards: set of 8 Bridgestone Owners Bunch (BOB) coin purses: set of 4 Bridgestone Owners Bunch (BOB) Gazettes #5, 6 and 7 Bridgestone Cycle USA Endangered Species Calendar from 1994 The Data Book photocopy from BOB Plus my aforementioned complete Rivendell printed materials collection (from day one to the present), 18 issues of Bicycle Quarterly, and 13 issues of Rouleur. Thanks again for helping me out. I'm enjoying this mutual back- scratching fest and I love the new, open space in my garage! BTW, if there any iBOBs on this list, would you mind letting that list know, too, about my auctions? Thanks! I won't post any further auction/sale messages here until I have new items for sale. Stay tuned, though, as I have a hefty selection of Campy SR and NR, Suntour Superbe Pro, Dura-Ace AX, and much, much more to unload! - Chris Kostman La Jolla, CA http://www.adventurecorps.com http://www.XO-1.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: RIV status of 650; and big frames .
But the Kogswell 700c contribution (note that I did not spell that with a k) was ultimately for a 3-page report in BQ that provided some logic for this here discussion. I don't have it here with me, but I think it went something like this: 700c is optimal for tires up to 32/33.3...650B is best for tires 35-42...26 is fatter tires. Now, if you read enough of Jan's reviews, you'll know he's writing about efficiency, speed, comfort + performance -- all the good properties of a pure rando bike and rider. If you know enough about Riv, you'll have to agree that the philosophy is go with what works and enjoy it. If fat tires fit, then have fun with them. Albatross bars, mountain gearing...touring, camping, rambling, ambling. Its really a fantastic style of riding and approach to equipment. That's why, methinks, there is no 650B in big sizes. I've spent a lot of time in 35mm Paselas on a Romulus (now my brother's bike) and ridden the 50mm Big Apples on a Hunquapillar - and both were a blast on and off road. When I'm getting ready for a 300K, I'd probably go with something different in terms of tires, but that doesn't mean you couldn't ride what-you-got for such a distance. Esteban San Diego, Calif. On Aug 18, 9:50 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 12:27 -0400, Seth Vidal wrote: On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: Having to deflate the tire wasn't a quality control issue, but rather the consequence of the decision to go with horizontal dropouts, I believe. Making the dropouts a tiny amount shorter would have solved that one. Not really. I had a frame builder remove as much from the dropouts as he safely could. I could get Col de la Vies out without deflating... and then I switched the bike to Pari Motos, and I'm back to having to deflate the tire to remove and replace the wheel. And that, in turn, is traceable to a desire to accommodate both internal gear and derailleur drive trains. As for the chain rubbing the seat stay, no idea about that - it doesn't happen with either of my 650B P/Rs. happened, iirc, on all of the 700c P/Rs. I think the 700C P/R was an ill-advised hack. Matthew should have left well enough alone and Just Said No. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv's Retreat from 650B in Larger Sizes, Optimum Tire Pressures/Sizes
On Aug 16, 1:46 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Mon, 2010-08-16 at 13:04 -0700, bfd wrote: I don't get it what's with all the randonneur worshipping? I know people here consider racing to be a bad word as it represents all that is supposedly wrong with bicycling. Yet, randonneur is consider good?! Yes. There's very little resemblance between racing and the riding most of us do, and almost no correspondence between the values of racing and ours. Racing, remember, is a sport where there is one winner and everyone else is a loser, and a sport where it seems to be well known that the top performers -- elite athletes who have no resemblance to us at all -- all cheat. Randonneuring is done by people just like us, sometimes in fact us. It's riding like we do, taken out to the limits. It rewards self reliance, and everybody's a winner. So, which of those two extremes is more worthy of respect? What I don't understand is both racing and randonneuring require massive amount of time, commitment and training. You can't do either well without putting in the time. Yes, but if you put in the time, it's possible for an ordinary rider like me (as opposed to naturally gifted athletes) to do it. In fact, I've done it. I'll do it again. But on club rides, I ride with the CCs. Faster than the CCs are the Bs, the BBs, and the As. And this isn't a racing club; most of the A riders aren't fast enough or trained enough to race, even at the lowest levels. Put it another way: anybody here who can do a 100 mile ride could do a 200K brevet, if they were interested. Thanks Steve. I think the issue is more of what use and what people consider comfortable. Unlike you or many others here, my friends and I don't do long distance riding. Due to various time constraints, i.e., family, work, other obligations, we only do short rides of 40-70 miles, and then only on weekends or holidays (if we can get out. So, doing a 200K brevet or longer is out. But in the context of this discussion, you're confusing the sport with the equipment. When we're discussing bikes, we're discussing the equipment. Why the interest in this type of bicycle? For one thing, bikes of this type make it much more comfortable and much easier to do the sort of rides we do. A bike that's designed to be comfortable and easily controllable when you're very tired is a very pleasant bike to ride on a century. I guess that comes down to how you define comfortable. For many, like my friends and I, a racing-style bike is all we need. Since we only do rides under 100 miles, actually closer to 40-60 miles, racing- style bikes with 700x23/25 sized tires is all we need. I ride 700x25 pumped up to about 80-90psi and find them really comfortable. I do ride a carbon bike, but we all know frameset material is never a factor in making a bike comfortable. ;) A bike that's designed to be ridden in severe weather is a pleasure to ride in the rain. We live in the SF Bay Area, so rain is not a big deal. Of course, people like me who commute, have fenders, but for most rides it is not needed. We don't need racks and bags as our rides are short enough that we either carry a few powerbars (yuch!) or can stop somewhere to get food and drinks. A bike that's designed to be able to carry enough to sustain a rider on a brevet is equally capable of carrying everything I need to carry on a winter's day, when it might be 28 degrees at ride start time but it might get up to 45-50 before we're done. Again, we don't do brevets or the distance you do, so carrying enough to sustain a rider is not an issue. What is there to not like about all that? Agree. Nothing. I like all kind of bikes, so rando style works as well as commuters, racers, cross, touring or any other bike. (OK, I don't really care for those flying pigeon chinese bikes... And for another, these bikes actually look like a bicycle. Unlike just about everything you find in a LBS today. You haven't been to my LBS where there are all kind of bikes and styles - from the latest Euro carbon to classic steel framesets from builders like Ron Cooper: http://www.classicrendezvous.com/Bike_Shops/A-Bicycle-Odyssey.htm In fact, Tony's shop iwas the US importer of Ron Cooper framesets, at least until Ron retires! Further, it also appears to require bikes that can be costly. There are quite a few Kogswell P/Rs - configured with drop bars, the R in the name means Randonneur - that have been ridden on brevets. Even fully tricked out with a top of the line lighting system and the best handmade wheels money can buy, a P/R cost less to outfit than the cheapest Madone. So too will a hand-made custom from most of the builders you see over at the VSalon. Agree, Kogwell was a nice frameset. Are they still in business? I haven't heard too much about them recently. *True* racing bikes can cost in excess of $5K to 10K or more, i.e.,
[RBW] Re: WTT/WTS: Paul Racer Brakes for Racer Medium Brakes
Sold! On Aug 18, 9:22 am, Allingham II, Thomas J thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: I'll buy them if they're not already gone. -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 4:34 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] WTT/WTS: Paul Racer Brakes for Racer Medium Brakes I realize that this is a long shot, but I figured it's worth a shot... I've got a pair of NIB Paul Racer Brakes in Silver Anodized that I'd like to trade for a pair of the shorter reach Racer Medium brakes in any finish. Alternatively, I'm willing to sell the pair for $149 + shipping. Thanks, -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. --- --- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at(212) 735-3000and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. === === -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv's Retreat from 650B in Larger Sizes, Optimum Tire Pressures/Sizes
On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 10:55 -0700, bfd wrote: On Aug 16, 1:46 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Mon, 2010-08-16 at 13:04 -0700, bfd wrote: I don't get it what's with all the randonneur worshipping? I know people here consider racing to be a bad word as it represents all that is supposedly wrong with bicycling. Yet, randonneur is consider good?! Yes. There's very little resemblance between racing and the riding most of us do, and almost no correspondence between the values of racing and ours. Racing, remember, is a sport where there is one winner and everyone else is a loser, and a sport where it seems to be well known that the top performers -- elite athletes who have no resemblance to us at all -- all cheat. Randonneuring is done by people just like us, sometimes in fact us. It's riding like we do, taken out to the limits. It rewards self reliance, and everybody's a winner. So, which of those two extremes is more worthy of respect? What I don't understand is both racing and randonneuring require massive amount of time, commitment and training. You can't do either well without putting in the time. Yes, but if you put in the time, it's possible for an ordinary rider like me (as opposed to naturally gifted athletes) to do it. In fact, I've done it. I'll do it again. But on club rides, I ride with the CCs. Faster than the CCs are the Bs, the BBs, and the As. And this isn't a racing club; most of the A riders aren't fast enough or trained enough to race, even at the lowest levels. Put it another way: anybody here who can do a 100 mile ride could do a 200K brevet, if they were interested. Thanks Steve. I think the issue is more of what use and what people consider comfortable. Unlike you or many others here, my friends and I don't do long distance riding. Due to various time constraints, i.e., family, work, other obligations, we only do short rides of 40-70 miles, and then only on weekends or holidays (if we can get out. So, doing a 200K brevet or longer is out. If you regularly do 60-70 mile rides, a September century is probably a nice stretch ride but not an insurmountable obstacle. I'm not saying you should or you must, but many club cyclists enjoy doing September centuries and find them the highlight of the cycling year. And if you've done 4 or 5 centuries in September, as many of us will do, an additional 25%, bring the ride up to 200K is not out of the question. It does bring some additional features or complications, which may be attractions or detractions, depending on your state of mind, such as a few hours of riding at night -- which, believe it or not, many of us have found enjoyable -- and the whole structure around controles and brevet cards. Note, I'm absolutely NOT saying you must or you should do so. All I am saying is, many club cyclists who enjoy doing September centuries may find the additional distance and different structure of a brevet interesting -- especially as an answer to the question now that I've done centuries, what's next? A bike that's designed to be comfortable and easily controllable when you're very tired is a very pleasant bike to ride on a century. I guess that comes down to how you define comfortable. For many, like my friends and I, a racing-style bike is all we need. Since we only do rides under 100 miles, actually closer to 40-60 miles, racing- style bikes with 700x23/25 sized tires is all we need. I ride 700x25 pumped up to about 80-90psi and find them really comfortable. I do ride a carbon bike, but we all know frameset material is never a factor in making a bike comfortable. ;) Do you stop riding in November? I find some of the most sublime riding I do all year happens in the winter, especially very shortly after it snows. Around here, snow seldom lingers very long (last year's blizzards were a strong exception) so 2 days after a snow you'll find a sunny, bright day with temperatures in the low 40s, golden sun sparking on the white snow, and you feel as though you're riding through a Currier and Ives lithograph or a New England picture postcard. Trouble is, those 40 degree temps are causing that crisp white snow to melt and rivulets of snow melt run across the road everywhere. To ride down such a road without fenders invites a brown stripe up the back, specks of dirt on your glasses, and a filthy bike. No bfd, right? Just put fenders on the bike. Hell, racing bikes used to have plenty of clearance for fenders, and eyelets, too. But not any more. Now, with some carbon racing frames there isn't even clearance for a 25mm tire, never mind for full coverage fenders. So what do you do, give up riding when the roads - oh my god - are WET? As for the rest, comfort isn't a huge issue if all you ride are 40-60 miles. Back when I was having problems, they didn't happen until I'd crossed the 75 mile barrier. Then, I'd
Re: [RBW] Re: RIV status of 650; and big frames .
On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 10:54 -0700, Esteban wrote: But the Kogswell 700c contribution (note that I did not spell that with a k) was ultimately for a 3-page report in BQ that provided some logic for this here discussion. Yes, I do have to give you that. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: WTT/WTS: Paul Racer Brakes for Racer Medium Brakes
Thanks for the interest. Brakes have been sold. On Aug 18, 11:22 am, Allingham II, Thomas J thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: I'll buy them if they're not already gone. -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 4:34 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] WTT/WTS: Paul Racer Brakes for Racer Medium Brakes I realize that this is a long shot, but I figured it's worth a shot... I've got a pair of NIB Paul Racer Brakes in Silver Anodized that I'd like to trade for a pair of the shorter reach Racer Medium brakes in any finish. Alternatively, I'm willing to sell the pair for $149 + shipping. Thanks, -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] You Say It'
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[RBW] Re: Friction shifting with Dia Compe bar end “Silver Shifters”
I ride a 9 speed/11-32 and an 8 speed12/30 with barend Silvers. Both work flawlessly. Disclaimer...I live on a big hill, and most of my riding includes big hills. I get a lot of practice. Also, I've been using friction shifting pretty much my whole life so it seems second nature. Not sure I could describe my method but I do recommend letting up a little when shifting under load. Small shifts are fine going up steep hills (1-2 cogs) but don't expect to jump from the little rings to the biggies (3 or more cogs) without some clanking. If I get caught on a really steep hill without getting in the proper gear (does happen occassionally) I'll do a little circle or stop and lift the rear wheel shifting into the big cogs rather than try force it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv's Retreat from 650B in Larger Sizes, Optimum Tire Pressures/Sizes
On Aug 18, 12:01 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: I guess that comes down to how you define comfortable. For many, like my friends and I, a racing-style bike is all we need. Since we only do rides under 100 miles, actually closer to 40-60 miles, racing- style bikes with 700x23/25 sized tires is all we need. I ride 700x25 pumped up to about 80-90psi and find them really comfortable. I do ride a carbon bike, but we all know frameset material is never a factor in making a bike comfortable. ;) Unless you and your friends actually race, why do you need a race style bike at all? If your primary reason to have a bike is to get around with the occasional short fun ride, general use wide tire comfort bike seems a whole lot more appropriate than a bike designed for the sole purpose of getting from point a to point b as fast as possible. Although I do acknowledge that many in your state appear to view BMW 3-series as shopping carts, Good question. Around here there are alot of hills. The belief that a lighter bike will climb better is paramount. Further, many riders, my friends included (but not necessarily me), make very good money, so buying what the *pros* use is also important because if they can climb fast using those types of bikes, so can weFinally, there's also a preception that fat tires, i.e., anything wider than say 32mm is going to slow you down. This may not necessarily be the case, but most people are going to watch Lance, Alberto and Andy and say they ride fast uphill on skinny tire racing bikes, so can we! Let's not consider things like fitness, fit (bike) and training. Racers or racing-style bikes go up hill fast, that's what I got to get!!! Reality, wide tire comfort bikes are not in, so it is going to be a hard sell. You can see this with 650b. Many here swear by it and won't ride anything else. Yet, the general public, my friends included, would just laugh and consider those bikes for those old, slow, fat guys. Of course, many also need to look in the mirror. As for BMWs, hey, I got one (older 1990 535i, 5spd, 125k miles) and yes, they are as common as shopping carts. It is sort of like seeing a Ferrari, Lamborgini or Tesla in the Beverly Hills/Hollywood areaGood Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv's Retreat from 650B in Larger Sizes, Optimum Tire Pressures/Sizes
On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 12:47 -0700, bfd wrote: On Aug 18, 12:01 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Unless you and your friends actually race, why do you need a race style bike at all? If your primary reason to have a bike is to get around with the occasional short fun ride, general use wide tire comfort bike seems a whole lot more appropriate than a bike designed for the sole purpose of getting from point a to point b as fast as possible. Although I do acknowledge that many in your state appear to view BMW 3-series as shopping carts, Good question. Around here there are alot of hills. The belief that a lighter bike will climb better is paramount. Further, many riders, my friends included (but not necessarily me), make very good money, so buying what the *pros* use is also important because if they can climb fast using those types of bikes, so can we Even though they weigh a lot less and produce a lot more power? Finally, there's also a preception that fat tires, i.e., anything wider than say 32mm is going to slow you down. This may not necessarily be the case, but most people are going to watch Lance, Alberto and Andy and say they ride fast uphill on skinny tire racing bikes, so can we! Let's not consider things like fitness, fit (bike) and training. Racers or racing-style bikes go up hill fast, that's what I got to get!!! Chicks look good in bras. You should get one, too! Reality, wide tire comfort bikes are not in, so it is going to be a hard sell. You can see this with 650b. Many here swear by it and won't ride anything else. Yet, the general public, my friends included, would just laugh and consider those bikes for those old, slow, fat guys. Of course, many also need to look in the mirror. I'd say your friends are uninformed and immature, and to be honest, I'm not even slightly interested in attempting to educate them or to change their minds. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv's Retreat from 650B in Larger Sizes, Optimum Tire Pressures/Sizes
On Aug 18, 3:01 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Unless you and your friends actually race, why do you need a race style bike at all? just like it's fun to go bombing around on a country bike, some folks find it fun to go fast on a road bike whether they race or not. light bikes are fun to ride, and if people are having fun - why not have a race style bike? for the some, the occasional short fun ride is 50 miles at 20+mph - a road bike seems like a good choice there. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv's Retreat from 650B in Larger Sizes, Optimum Tire Pressures/Sizes
On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 12:59 -0700, Patrick in VT wrote: On Aug 18, 3:01 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Unless you and your friends actually race, why do you need a race style bike at all? just like it's fun to go bombing around on a country bike, some folks find it fun to go fast on a road bike whether they race or not. light bikes are fun to ride, and if people are having fun - why not have a race style bike? for the some, the occasional short fun ride is 50 miles at 20+mph - a road bike seems like a good choice there. To me, the real question is, other than styling and the whole fantasy wannabee pro racer let's play pretend, what real advantage does something like a Madone give you for precisely that kind of riding over a racing bike that Eddy Merckx might have ridden? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv's Retreat from 650B in Larger Sizes, Optimum Tire Pressures/Sizes
just like it's fun to go bombing around on a country bike, some folks find it fun to go fast on a road bike whether they race or not. light bikes are fun to ride, and if people are having fun - why not have a race style bike? for the some, the occasional short fun ride is 50 miles at 20+mph - a road bike seems like a good choice there. I am not aganst them, and indeed Tom Kellogg of Specturm Bikes is in the process of making me a 30th Anniversary racer. If you only have one bike, however, a Hilsen or a well thought out Rando would probably serve you better. That is, if you ride as much and for as many different reasons I am guessing BFD (and you, Steve and most everyone else posting here). Granted, San Francisco has some unique terrain and plenty of mass transit and walking options. On Aug 18, 2:59 pm, Patrick in VT swing4...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 18, 3:01 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Unless you and your friends actually race, why do you need a race style bike at all? just like it's fun to go bombing around on a country bike, some folks find it fun to go fast on a road bike whether they race or not. light bikes are fun to ride, and if people are having fun - why not have a race style bike? for the some, the occasional short fun ride is 50 miles at 20+mph - a road bike seems like a good choice there. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv's Retreat from 650B in Larger Sizes, Optimum Tire Pressures/Sizes
On Aug 18, 1:10 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 12:59 -0700, Patrick in VT wrote: On Aug 18, 3:01 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Unless you and your friends actually race, why do you need a race style bike at all? just like it's fun to go bombing around on a country bike, some folks find it fun to go fast on a road bike whether they race or not. light bikes are fun to ride, and if people are having fun - why not have a race style bike? for the some, the occasional short fun ride is 50 miles at 20+mph - a road bike seems like a good choice there. To me, the real question is, other than styling and the whole fantasy wannabee pro racer let's play pretend, what real advantage does something like a Madone give you for precisely that kind of riding over a racing bike that Eddy Merckx might have ridden? Well, if you look at today's Eddy Merckx bikes, probably not much. Compared to the bikes he used when he raced, quite a bit of difference. For example, Madone are carbon, use integrated shifters and clipless pedals. The bikes definitely weigh a lot less too. Assuming Eddy used a bike that weighed 18-20lbs, today's bikes are limited to something like 6.8kg or about 14.9lbs. That 3 to 5 lb difference is pretty big. It may mean more to a racer than an average overweight weekend warrior. But, as Patrick stated if it gets someone out on a bike than what's not to like?! The bad thing is that because racing style bikes are so prevalent, they dominate the market and make it harder for good, reliable equipment to be available at a reasonable price. The big example of that is Mavic removing its MA2 rim from the market. Arguably one of the best clincher rims ever made. Similarly, back in 2008, when I was building up my steel cross/ commuter bike, Paul Taylor breakaway, I wanted silver parts to match my black with gold paneled frameset. It may sound funny, but silver parts were not that easy to find! On my own, I was able to find most parts used or NOS and my LBS luckily sold Nitto bars and threadless stem. Of course, this was before VO started carrying more silver parts. Still, it was harder than sourcing black components which seem to be abundant in all price ranges. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Want some 700C Hetres or Pari-Motos? Sign up here
Definitely sign me up. Brian On Aug 18, 2010, at 9:34 AM, stevep33 steve...@gmail.com wrote: excellent idea. +1 for either or both. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Want some 700C Hetres or Pari-Motos? Sign up here
I'd at least take one set of either and possibly both. On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Stonehog stone...@gmail.com wrote: Definitely sign me up. Brian On Aug 18, 2010, at 9:34 AM, stevep33 steve...@gmail.com wrote: excellent idea. +1 for either or both. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv's Retreat from 650B in Larger Sizes, Optimum Tire Pressures/Sizes
On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 13:47 -0700, bfd wrote: just like it's fun to go bombing around on a country bike, some folks find it fun to go fast on a road bike whether they race or not. light bikes are fun to ride, and if people are having fun - why not have a race style bike? for the some, the occasional short fun ride is 50 miles at 20+mph - a road bike seems like a good choice there. To me, the real question is, other than styling and the whole fantasy wannabee pro racer let's play pretend, what real advantage does something like a Madone give you for precisely that kind of riding over a racing bike that Eddy Merckx might have ridden? Well, if you look at today's Eddy Merckx bikes, probably not much. No, I'm not talking about the Merckx brand, I'm talking about bikes he might have actually raced on back in the 1970s. Compared to the bikes he used when he raced, quite a bit of difference. For example, Madone are carbon, use integrated shifters and clipless pedals. The bikes definitely weigh a lot less too. And I'm not talking about what are the differences between today's race bikes and those of the early 1970s. The question is, what REAL ADVANTAGE does a bike like a Madone give you, the rider, over a racing bike of the 1970s? Differences in frame materials do not constitute an advantage in and of themselves. Assuming Eddy used a bike that weighed 18-20lbs, today's bikes are limited to something like 6.8kg or about 14.9lbs. That 3 to 5 lb difference is pretty big. It may mean more to a racer than an average overweight weekend warrior. OK, let's say a five pounds lighter bike for a rider who might well be 10 KG overweight or more. How much of an actual advantage is that? What does it translate to in terms of performance, as opposed to bragging rights? If you and your pals ride primarily for fun and fitness, do those missing 3-5 pounds enhance your enjoyment? (It's certainly hard to see how they enhance your fitness -- that would be improved by adding weight, not subtracting it.) Will you go faster? If so, how much faster? And how much difference would that make? But, as Patrick stated if it gets someone out on a bike than what's not to like?! The bad thing is that because racing style bikes are so prevalent, they dominate the market and make it harder for good, reliable equipment to be available at a reasonable price. So you're saying racing equipment is less expensive? Balderdash. Let's just pick on wheels, shall we? Two thousand for a set of low spoke count racing wheels, and if you break a spoke you're done, the wheel isn't turning in the rear triangle. Compare that with a handmade wheel like what Rich at Riv builds, or what Peter White builds - let's say, Dura Ace hubs and Open Pro rims, 32 or 36 spokes. Dead reliable wheels that would still turn if you did break a spoke. Racing brakes, perhaps? $875 or more for a set of brakes? Yeah, you shave a few grams. What's a set of Shimano brakes go for? Or Tektros? Or maybe let's talk cranks. A thousand bucks for a crankset that maybe (or maybe not) includes the bottom bracket bearings. How's that compare with the Sugino Alpina, for example? I was at a rest stop at our club century 2 years ago and I overheard a guy behind me talking about the upgrade he'd just made to his bike: carbon handlebars and a carbon stem. It cost him a thousand bucks, but man, look at how many grams he saved! A thousand bucks for a handlebar and a stem? As they say in Dublin, Jesus wept. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv's Retreat from 650B in Larger Sizes, Optimum Tire Pressures/Sizes
Life under the big tent of CYCLING. There's still plenty of room for all of us. I hope we don't revert down to the reverse snobbery of dismissing things just because they are expensive. It's possible to find a sandwich that costs $20, a cocktail that costs $35, socks that cost $80, a wallet that costs $750, a jacket that costs $900, shoes that cost $1500, a bike that costs $18k, a car that costs $300k, a house that costs $20M. Who cares? If I choose to buy an $80 pair of socks and you get in a big wad over the waste of it, that's all on you. For every Riv owner who thinks it's stupid to buy a $1000 crankset, there are 1000 'normal' people who think it's stupid to buy a $1000 bicycle. The fact is that 95% of the rides that 95% of riders do are under 50 miles, and almost anybody could do a 50 mile ride on almost any bike. I did a 50 mile ride on my BMX bike when I was 9. Over the years, I did the same 50 mile ride on a $200 Univega, a $800 Cannondale, and a $1400 Schwinn Paramount. I got tired each time. It has almost nothing to do with what equipment you NEED. It has almost everything to do with the equipment you WANT. If that dude wants a $10k carbo-rocket and you want a $2800 Atlantis, you are both overspending your real needs, and indulging your wants. Many would say you are both conspicuously indulging. I say God bless you both. Now sure there's a lot not to like about people who buy exactly what their buddies buy and dress just like their buddies and then as a group mock an individual riding in Samba's and Grip Kings. But what if it was a bunch of us in Samba's and Grip Kings making fun of a 50- something 25lb overweight guy riding a Madone in a Team Kit? Wouldn't we be just as conformist and just as clique-ish and lame? I'm sure a lot of us here on the site genuinely feel bad for people who want to ride, and buy the only thing available to them at their LBS, a pseudo- racing bike, and then live with the discomfort, displeasure and downright pain of not having a more all-rounderish bike. They are suffering unnecessarily, we think, and we may be right. But going right to the punchline that those people are dumb or immature or conformists or something else that is bad is going a little too far, a little too fast. On Aug 18, 2:23 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 13:47 -0700, bfd wrote: just like it's fun to go bombing around on a country bike, some folks find it fun to go fast on a road bike whether they race or not. light bikes are fun to ride, and if people are having fun - why not have a race style bike? for the some, the occasional short fun ride is 50 miles at 20+mph - a road bike seems like a good choice there. To me, the real question is, other than styling and the whole fantasy wannabee pro racer let's play pretend, what real advantage does something like a Madone give you for precisely that kind of riding over a racing bike that Eddy Merckx might have ridden? Well, if you look at today's Eddy Merckx bikes, probably not much. No, I'm not talking about the Merckx brand, I'm talking about bikes he might have actually raced on back in the 1970s. Compared to the bikes he used when he raced, quite a bit of difference. For example, Madone are carbon, use integrated shifters and clipless pedals. The bikes definitely weigh a lot less too. And I'm not talking about what are the differences between today's race bikes and those of the early 1970s. The question is, what REAL ADVANTAGE does a bike like a Madone give you, the rider, over a racing bike of the 1970s? Differences in frame materials do not constitute an advantage in and of themselves. Assuming Eddy used a bike that weighed 18-20lbs, today's bikes are limited to something like 6.8kg or about 14.9lbs. That 3 to 5 lb difference is pretty big. It may mean more to a racer than an average overweight weekend warrior. OK, let's say a five pounds lighter bike for a rider who might well be 10 KG overweight or more. How much of an actual advantage is that? What does it translate to in terms of performance, as opposed to bragging rights? If you and your pals ride primarily for fun and fitness, do those missing 3-5 pounds enhance your enjoyment? (It's certainly hard to see how they enhance your fitness -- that would be improved by adding weight, not subtracting it.) Will you go faster? If so, how much faster? And how much difference would that make? But, as Patrick stated if it gets someone out on a bike than what's not to like?! The bad thing is that because racing style bikes are so prevalent, they dominate the market and make it harder for good, reliable equipment to be available at a reasonable price. So you're saying racing equipment is less expensive? Balderdash. Let's just pick on wheels, shall we? Two thousand for a set of low spoke count racing wheels, and if you break a spoke you're done, the
[RBW] Re: Want some 700C Hetres or Pari-Motos? Sign up here
Yup. I'm in for a pair of both. On Aug 18, 12:24 am, XO-1.org Rough Riders adventureco...@gmail.com wrote: Two of each! - Chris Kostman On Aug 17, 9:38 pm, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote: I would be in for a set of both, the catch is being the one to make it happen. The current candidates are either focused on other tire sizes or content with the current offerings where durability trumps supple speedy tires. I will go out an a limb and say I would like to be the one to bring these to market, but the learning curve is steep, and I am still at the bottom of the hill. And it may be, well it is, bad form to talk about that in this arena. More later, hopefully Rob On Aug 17, 8:13 pm, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: Note, I have absolutely no power to make this happen, but if there are enough of us who would pre-order such a beast, perhaps someone with actual power would make this happen. Please specify if you have a preference for a Pari-Moto (38mm, ultra-light) or a Hetre (42mm, slightly thicker tread, but still very supple). Personally, I'd be happy to prepay $120 for a pair of either of them. Cheers, Gernot- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] FS: Paul Touring Cantilevers plus extra
My Bombadil has Paul Touring Cantilevers on it. The brakes are great, mechanically perfecto, except they ride tall on the posts. The consequence is that my Nitto Mini front rack doesn't fit without hitting the cable hanger. I checked out a spacer fix, but have decided that I'm just going to run the Tektro CR750s that I have laying around. So, now you can have the Paul's. 1 caliper - Paul Touring Cantilever Silver 1 caliper - Paul Touring Cantilever Black (anodization getting kind of brownish, I confess) The brake pads are Avid Rim Wrangler metal with those pin things, so you can slide in whomever's shoes. The shoes in there are koolstop black, nearly new. I have a set of new koolstop one piece pads too, like the ones you get with the Paul brakes when you buy them new Finally, I'll include a Paul front Brake Booster in black. I tried to remedy front brake chatter on my cross bike with that before I learned what front brake chatter really is. The carriers are generic triangular aluminum, with the name Curve on them. All of the above, $110 shipped anywhere in Con US. Every penny will go directly to my 650B 58cm A.H.Hilsen fund. I run these brakes one silver arm and one black. It looks kind of harlequin, which I think is cool. You might not agree. There are pictures of them on the bike in my flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758...@n04/4474034900/in/set-72157623611013487/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758...@n04/4474032576/in/photostream/ Contact off-list please if you want them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv's Retreat from 650B in Larger Sizes, Optimum Tire Pressures/Sizes
On Aug 18, 2010, at 3:47 PM, bfd wrote: On Aug 18, 1:10 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 12:59 -0700, Patrick in VT wrote: On Aug 18, 3:01 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Unless you and your friends actually race, why do you need a race style bike at all? just like it's fun to go bombing around on a country bike, some folks find it fun to go fast on a road bike whether they race or not. light bikes are fun to ride, and if people are having fun - why not have a race style bike? for the some, the occasional short fun ride is 50 miles at 20+mph - a road bike seems like a good choice there. To me, the real question is, other than styling and the whole fantasy wannabee pro racer let's play pretend, what real advantage does something like a Madone give you for precisely that kind of riding over a racing bike that Eddy Merckx might have ridden? Similar questions can be fairly asked about mountain bikes, randonneur bikes, fixed gear bikes, 29ers, country bikes, etc. It's just a matter of preferences. snip But, as Patrick stated if it gets someone out on a bike than what's not to like?! Bingo! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv's Retreat from 650B in Larger Sizes, Optimum Tire Pressures/Sizes
On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 18:24 -0500, Tim McNamara wrote: To me, the real question is, other than styling and the whole fantasy wannabee pro racer let's play pretend, what real advantage does something like a Madone give you for precisely that kind of riding over a racing bike that Eddy Merckx might have ridden? Similar questions can be fairly asked about mountain bikes, randonneur bikes, fixed gear bikes, 29ers, country bikes, etc. It's just a matter of preferences. Not quite sure what you mean, but I would have no difficulty finding a real advantage for certain kinds of riding comparing a mountain bike with a 1972 road racer, never mind a Madone; and I could easily show you how a randonneur bike might provide you with advantages in certain situations compared to a Madone. It's not just preferences, it is also a matter of some tools being more suitable for certain jobs and certain users than others. For the particular users in the original discussion, I'm not sure I would find many, or even any, meaningful advantage in a Madone vs a 1972 road racer, and I could easily find some situations where the 1972 road racer would be superior due to its greater versatility (because of its greater clearances and its ability to mount fenders). You will recall, in the original posting, bfd's friends wanted Madones so they could be just like the pros because whatever the pros use must be best for them. My point has been all along that it ain't necessarily so. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv's Retreat from 650B in Larger Sizes, Optimum Tire Pressures/Sizes
On Aug 19, 3:47 am, bfd bfd...@yahoo.com wrote: On Aug 18, 1:10 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: But, as Patrick stated if it gets someone out on a bike than what's not to like?! I am not sure it's all that fabulous getting a person on a bike that cannot serve as functional transportation (functional meaning even when it rains or it's dark or you need to carry stuff), especially if it reinforces the perception (in his/her mind, and in folks watching him/her zip down the road) that a bike is nothing more than an expensive toy for a rich person's sport, who is frivolously taking road space away from people who *need* to go somewhere in their cars. Maybe that road racer will eventually realize that a bike can be used for transportation, and will go out of his/her way (as s/he must today) to find a bike that fulfills those needs. But unfortunately I think it is equally likely that the limitations of the bike they own (and the bikes they see on the road) will lead them to believe that all bikes are toys. Granted, I see little problem with having a few racing bikes on the road. But when that is the vast majority of the road bikes out there, and the vast majority of the road bikes in the shops, then not only is bicycling the poorer for it, but we as a society are. Imagine for a moment that the car industry offered us nothing but trunk- and top-less Formula 1 cars (racing bikes), military spec Hummers (mtn bikes) oh, and a few Yugos (today's standard hybrids) and a few Jeep Wranglers (low-end mountain bikes). A ludicrous proposition (though sensible cars *are* few and far between), yet that is what the mainstream bike industry looks like today. So, thanks, Grant and everyone who is dedicated to showing there is an alternative. Gernot The bad thing is that because racing style bikes are so prevalent, they dominate the market and make it harder for good, reliable equipment to be available at a reasonable price. The big example of that is Mavic removing its MA2 rim from the market. Arguably one of the best clincher rims ever made. Similarly, back in 2008, when I was building up my steel cross/ commuter bike, Paul Taylor breakaway, I wanted silver parts to match my black with gold paneled frameset. It may sound funny, but silver parts were not that easy to find! On my own, I was able to find most parts used or NOS and my LBS luckily sold Nitto bars and threadless stem. Of course, this was before VO started carrying more silver parts. Still, it was harder than sourcing black components which seem to be abundant in all price ranges. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Friction shifting with Dia Compe bar end ³Silver Shifters²
For what it's worth, I have silver shifters and a Shimano 12-27 cassette on my Sam, and it shifts exceedingly well. Because of it I have fallen in love with friction shifting, and have turned off the indexing on my Fisher monster cross (Shimano 9 speed barcons, custom 12-32 cassette). On the Fisher, I regularly get unintentional shifts, especially in the big cogs. Both cassettes are reasonably new, both chains are reasonably new SRAM. Haven't swapped things around to isolate the culprit, but my suspicion is that the Shimano shifter in friction can't be adjusted in similarly small increments. Gernot On Aug 18, 11:21 pm, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 8/18/10 8:17 AM, JLa at juhani.lait...@gmail.com wrote: Is there anyone else using the ³Silver Shifters² with Shimano 9 speed 11-34. I¹m wondering if it¹s really so that they don¹t work together well - or is it just about the technique? The main challanges with 9 speed gearing and friction shifting are that (1) you don't have as much margin for error as fewer rear sprockets (8, 7, 6, 5...), and (2) _everything_ about the design of the sprockets is designed to let the chain shift smoothly and quickly to a different sprocket. (In the olden days, you had to pretty significantly over-shift, then trim back - now, you kind of nudge it into the next gear). You can definitely use friction shifting with 9 speed setups. You'll learn the discrete amount you need to shift and it will become second nature. It might also help to find what works for your riding style and hand position. I find that for me, keeping my thumb and forefinger on the bars supplies a reference - I shift up with my wrist and the little and ring finger and down with the heel of my palm. Taking your hand completely off the bar to shift is a little less specific. -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net ³Velvet pillows, safari parks, sunglasses: people have become woolly mice. They still have bodies that can walk for five days and four nights through a desert of snow, without food, but they accept praise for having taken a one-hour bicycle ride.² - Tim Krabbe, The Rider Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Send In Your Photos! - Here's how:http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Heron riders might be interested
looks like it didn't meet the reserve price. i was the 2nd highest bidder, at $956.78 while that Heron was super-attractive to me with it's long top tube and horizontal dropouts (i'm trying to get a singslespeed together w/o chain tensioners and w long tt), i just couldn't bring myself to pay over $1K for it, or even up to that, with the $65 shipping. i came to the game late, however - got into Rivs after the Heron had moved on / been EOL'd. what was the original retail price of a Heron Touring frame - anyone remember? and on a similar note.. anyone have a rivish frame with standover in the low to mid 80s, horizontal dropouts, and a long top tube they might want to get out of their garage? or.. a 58cm Quickbeam? :D cheers, andrew On Aug 13, 2010, at 12:37 AM, James Warren wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Raleigh-Headlamp-bracket-Stem-Mount-Heron-/350383260715?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Heron riders might be interested
ya Seth, that SO 56 is still available.. i just think it's a hair too small (and Grant agreed when I called :) -a On Aug 18, 2010, at 7:47 PM, Seth Vidal wrote: On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 10:40 PM, andrew hill neurod...@gmail.com wrote: looks like it didn't meet the reserve price. i was the 2nd highest bidder, at $956.78 while that Heron was super-attractive to me with it's long top tube and horizontal dropouts (i'm trying to get a singslespeed together w/o chain tensioners and w long tt), i just couldn't bring myself to pay over $1K for it, or even up to that, with the $65 shipping. i came to the game late, however - got into Rivs after the Heron had moved on / been EOL'd. what was the original retail price of a Heron Touring frame - anyone remember? and on a similar note.. anyone have a rivish frame with standover in the low to mid 80s, horizontal dropouts, and a long top tube they might want to get out of their garage? or.. a 58cm Quickbeam? :D so close - isn't that 56 simple one still up on rivbike? -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Friction shifting with Dia Compe bar end “Silver Shifters”
I read from Paul's web site that the Thumbies have 26mm clamp size and fit standard stem-clamp sleeves. But in the picture at rivbike.com they are mounted on Nitto bars that should be 24mm diameter: http://www.rivbike.com/images/products/full//0701/17-124a.jpg Is it possible to fit them to Nitto Noodle bars like that? I'd like to save the clamp area for my bell and speedometer. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Friction shifting with Dia Compe bar end “Silver Shifters”
Thanks for all the help and advice! :) I went for a ride and practiced shifting the 4 largest cogs. Then I rode over a hill few times and pedaled harder for few strokes and then pedaled lighter and shifted. The shifting was really a lot better than before. It’s still not perfect though. It’s especially hard to shift from the biggest cog to second and third biggest when pedaling uphill. Anyways, now I hopefully won’t completely mess up my new cassette and chains. I hope I’ll learn to shift even better. Otherwise I’ll probably get myself some indexed shifters. Being wiser now, I should have built either 8 speed with friction or 9 speed with indexed. I was looking at some Dura-Ace 9 speed down tube shifters in a web shop. I would be happy to hear opinions about bar-end vs down tube shifters. I don’t really like the long cables of bar end shifters, but I’m not sure how it would be to always reach all the way down for shifting - especially when shifting both front and rear “at the same time”. Other option would be Paul Thumbies. Any opinions about Dura-Ace downtube shifters vs bar end shifters with Paul Thumbies? By the way, is it possible to convert Dia Compe bar end shifters to down tube shifters? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Heron riders might be interested
Hi Andrew, On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 19:40, andrew hill neurod...@gmail.com wrote: i came to the game late, however - got into Rivs after the Heron had moved on / been EOL'd. what was the original retail price of a Heron Touring frame - anyone remember? I don't know what the Herons retailed for, but recently on some mailing list or other Alex Wetmore posted a link to his Heron Touring from when he was selling it. It seems to be from 2006 and he was asking $1275 for a nearly complete bike. So... bit of a mismatch in the price of the recent ebay frame and what Alex thought his bike was worth. I think part of it is that Alex gave some lucky person a really good deal. Maybe you've already seen this come to think of it... Anyway, here's the link. There are photos, it's a nice looking bicycle: http://phred.org/~alex/pictures/bikes/heron-touring/ Stuart Fletcher Seattle, WA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv's Retreat from 650B in Larger Sizes, Optimum Tire Pressures/Sizes
Did it just become February all of a sudden? On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 7:02 PM, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 19, 3:47 am, bfd bfd...@yahoo.com wrote: On Aug 18, 1:10 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: But, as Patrick stated if it gets someone out on a bike than what's not to like?! I am not sure it's all that fabulous getting a person on a bike that cannot serve as functional transportation (functional meaning even when it rains or it's dark or you need to carry stuff), especially if it reinforces the perception (in his/her mind, and in folks watching him/her zip down the road) that a bike is nothing more than an expensive toy for a rich person's sport, who is frivolously taking road space away from people who *need* to go somewhere in their cars. Maybe that road racer will eventually realize that a bike can be used for transportation, and will go out of his/her way (as s/he must today) to find a bike that fulfills those needs. But unfortunately I think it is equally likely that the limitations of the bike they own (and the bikes they see on the road) will lead them to believe that all bikes are toys. Granted, I see little problem with having a few racing bikes on the road. But when that is the vast majority of the road bikes out there, and the vast majority of the road bikes in the shops, then not only is bicycling the poorer for it, but we as a society are. Imagine for a moment that the car industry offered us nothing but trunk- and top-less Formula 1 cars (racing bikes), military spec Hummers (mtn bikes) oh, and a few Yugos (today's standard hybrids) and a few Jeep Wranglers (low-end mountain bikes). A ludicrous proposition (though sensible cars *are* few and far between), yet that is what the mainstream bike industry looks like today. So, thanks, Grant and everyone who is dedicated to showing there is an alternative. Gernot The bad thing is that because racing style bikes are so prevalent, they dominate the market and make it harder for good, reliable equipment to be available at a reasonable price. The big example of that is Mavic removing its MA2 rim from the market. Arguably one of the best clincher rims ever made. Similarly, back in 2008, when I was building up my steel cross/ commuter bike, Paul Taylor breakaway, I wanted silver parts to match my black with gold paneled frameset. It may sound funny, but silver parts were not that easy to find! On my own, I was able to find most parts used or NOS and my LBS luckily sold Nitto bars and threadless stem. Of course, this was before VO started carrying more silver parts. Still, it was harder than sourcing black components which seem to be abundant in all price ranges. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA One man's religion is another man's belly laugh. --Robert A. Heinlein -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Basic crank+cassette question
Hi all, I'm hoping to cannibalize some parts from an old bike, but have a question about matching cranks with rear cassette (and derailleurs if they matter). The drivetrain in question is a Shimano Ultegra compact double. The parts are quite new and would be great on a different frame, but the style of the cranks (carbon) would look pretty silly on a country-ish bike. My very basic research tells me that I don't have many choices for a cheaper ($200) set of cranks to match up with the Shimano 10 speed cassette. Hopefully I am wrong, thats why I've come here.. can anyone help me understand compatibility between drivetrain components? I know this isn't riv specific, but I like the group and trust the writers. Thanks, Adam -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv's Retreat from 650B in Larger Sizes, Optimum Tire Pressures/Sizes
maybe they broke their ankles or something On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:33 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote: Did it just become February all of a sudden? On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 7:02 PM, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 19, 3:47 am, bfd bfd...@yahoo.com wrote: On Aug 18, 1:10 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: But, as Patrick stated if it gets someone out on a bike than what's not to like?! I am not sure it's all that fabulous getting a person on a bike that cannot serve as functional transportation (functional meaning even when it rains or it's dark or you need to carry stuff), especially if it reinforces the perception (in his/her mind, and in folks watching him/her zip down the road) that a bike is nothing more than an expensive toy for a rich person's sport, who is frivolously taking road space away from people who *need* to go somewhere in their cars. Maybe that road racer will eventually realize that a bike can be used for transportation, and will go out of his/her way (as s/he must today) to find a bike that fulfills those needs. But unfortunately I think it is equally likely that the limitations of the bike they own (and the bikes they see on the road) will lead them to believe that all bikes are toys. Granted, I see little problem with having a few racing bikes on the road. But when that is the vast majority of the road bikes out there, and the vast majority of the road bikes in the shops, then not only is bicycling the poorer for it, but we as a society are. Imagine for a moment that the car industry offered us nothing but trunk- and top-less Formula 1 cars (racing bikes), military spec Hummers (mtn bikes) oh, and a few Yugos (today's standard hybrids) and a few Jeep Wranglers (low-end mountain bikes). A ludicrous proposition (though sensible cars *are* few and far between), yet that is what the mainstream bike industry looks like today. So, thanks, Grant and everyone who is dedicated to showing there is an alternative. Gernot The bad thing is that because racing style bikes are so prevalent, they dominate the market and make it harder for good, reliable equipment to be available at a reasonable price. The big example of that is Mavic removing its MA2 rim from the market. Arguably one of the best clincher rims ever made. Similarly, back in 2008, when I was building up my steel cross/ commuter bike, Paul Taylor breakaway, I wanted silver parts to match my black with gold paneled frameset. It may sound funny, but silver parts were not that easy to find! On my own, I was able to find most parts used or NOS and my LBS luckily sold Nitto bars and threadless stem. Of course, this was before VO started carrying more silver parts. Still, it was harder than sourcing black components which seem to be abundant in all price ranges. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA One man's religion is another man's belly laugh. --Robert A. Heinlein -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Where did the spring go? Where did my hormones go? Where did my energy go? Where did my go go? Where did the pleasure go? Where did my hair go? -- Ray Davies -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] 61cm Atlantis FS
Saw this just now on Seattle CL if anyone's looking: http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/1906811876.html Ryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] 61cm Atlantis FS
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:53 PM, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: Saw this just now on Seattle CL if anyone's looking: http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/1906811876.html heh. I have a 58cm atlantis that is probably just a touch too small for me, but I still love it - just with slightly more seat post showing than is seemly. :) -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv's Retreat from 650B in Larger Sizes, Optimum Tire Pressures/Sizes
I was out riding. What'd I miss? Ryan On Aug 18, 8:44 pm, Ken Mattina ken.matt...@gmail.com wrote: maybe they broke their ankles or something On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:33 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote: Did it just become February all of a sudden? On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 7:02 PM, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 19, 3:47 am, bfd bfd...@yahoo.com wrote: On Aug 18, 1:10 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: But, as Patrick stated if it gets someone out on a bike than what's not to like?! I am not sure it's all that fabulous getting a person on a bike that cannot serve as functional transportation (functional meaning even when it rains or it's dark or you need to carry stuff), especially if it reinforces the perception (in his/her mind, and in folks watching him/her zip down the road) that a bike is nothing more than an expensive toy for a rich person's sport, who is frivolously taking road space away from people who *need* to go somewhere in their cars. Maybe that road racer will eventually realize that a bike can be used for transportation, and will go out of his/her way (as s/he must today) to find a bike that fulfills those needs. But unfortunately I think it is equally likely that the limitations of the bike they own (and the bikes they see on the road) will lead them to believe that all bikes are toys. Granted, I see little problem with having a few racing bikes on the road. But when that is the vast majority of the road bikes out there, and the vast majority of the road bikes in the shops, then not only is bicycling the poorer for it, but we as a society are. Imagine for a moment that the car industry offered us nothing but trunk- and top-less Formula 1 cars (racing bikes), military spec Hummers (mtn bikes) oh, and a few Yugos (today's standard hybrids) and a few Jeep Wranglers (low-end mountain bikes). A ludicrous proposition (though sensible cars *are* few and far between), yet that is what the mainstream bike industry looks like today. So, thanks, Grant and everyone who is dedicated to showing there is an alternative. Gernot The bad thing is that because racing style bikes are so prevalent, they dominate the market and make it harder for good, reliable equipment to be available at a reasonable price. The big example of that is Mavic removing its MA2 rim from the market. Arguably one of the best clincher rims ever made. Similarly, back in 2008, when I was building up my steel cross/ commuter bike, Paul Taylor breakaway, I wanted silver parts to match my black with gold paneled frameset. It may sound funny, but silver parts were not that easy to find! On my own, I was able to find most parts used or NOS and my LBS luckily sold Nitto bars and threadless stem. Of course, this was before VO started carrying more silver parts. Still, it was harder than sourcing black components which seem to be abundant in all price ranges. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA One man's religion is another man's belly laugh. --Robert A. Heinlein -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Where did the spring go? Where did my hormones go? Where did my energy go? Where did my go go? Where did the pleasure go? Where did my hair go? -- Ray Davies -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv's Retreat from 650B in Larger Sizes, Optimum Tire Pressures/Sizes
I sure hope you weren't on a racing bike. On Aug 18, 9:09 pm, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: I was out riding. What'd I miss? Ryan On Aug 18, 8:44 pm, Ken Mattina ken.matt...@gmail.com wrote: maybe they broke their ankles or something On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:33 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote: Did it just become February all of a sudden? On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 7:02 PM, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 19, 3:47 am, bfd bfd...@yahoo.com wrote: On Aug 18, 1:10 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: But, as Patrick stated if it gets someone out on a bike than what's not to like?! I am not sure it's all that fabulous getting a person on a bike that cannot serve as functional transportation (functional meaning even when it rains or it's dark or you need to carry stuff), especially if it reinforces the perception (in his/her mind, and in folks watching him/her zip down the road) that a bike is nothing more than an expensive toy for a rich person's sport, who is frivolously taking road space away from people who *need* to go somewhere in their cars. Maybe that road racer will eventually realize that a bike can be used for transportation, and will go out of his/her way (as s/he must today) to find a bike that fulfills those needs. But unfortunately I think it is equally likely that the limitations of the bike they own (and the bikes they see on the road) will lead them to believe that all bikes are toys. Granted, I see little problem with having a few racing bikes on the road. But when that is the vast majority of the road bikes out there, and the vast majority of the road bikes in the shops, then not only is bicycling the poorer for it, but we as a society are. Imagine for a moment that the car industry offered us nothing but trunk- and top-less Formula 1 cars (racing bikes), military spec Hummers (mtn bikes) oh, and a few Yugos (today's standard hybrids) and a few Jeep Wranglers (low-end mountain bikes). A ludicrous proposition (though sensible cars *are* few and far between), yet that is what the mainstream bike industry looks like today. So, thanks, Grant and everyone who is dedicated to showing there is an alternative. Gernot The bad thing is that because racing style bikes are so prevalent, they dominate the market and make it harder for good, reliable equipment to be available at a reasonable price. The big example of that is Mavic removing its MA2 rim from the market. Arguably one of the best clincher rims ever made. Similarly, back in 2008, when I was building up my steel cross/ commuter bike, Paul Taylor breakaway, I wanted silver parts to match my black with gold paneled frameset. It may sound funny, but silver parts were not that easy to find! On my own, I was able to find most parts used or NOS and my LBS luckily sold Nitto bars and threadless stem. Of course, this was before VO started carrying more silver parts. Still, it was harder than sourcing black components which seem to be abundant in all price ranges. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscrib...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA One man's religion is another man's belly laugh. --Robert A. Heinlein -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscrib...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Where did the spring go? Where did my hormones go? Where did my energy go? Where did my go go? Where did the pleasure go? Where did my hair go? -- Ray Davies- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] For Sale: Atlantis 61 cm frameset
I have it up on the Seattle Craigslist, along with a couple pictures. I'd like to find a local buyer rather than deal with packing and shipping. I had it built up for a summer, and liked it but it was a bit too large for me. Asking $1500. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Sugino XD2 triple with 10 speed system
Has anyone tried 10 speed systems with Sugino XD2 cranks? Rivendell's web page says: Works with everything but 10 (or more--nice one campy) speed cassette drive trains. Why wouldn't it work with 10 speed? Is the 10 speed chain too narrow? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Sugino XD2 triple with 10 speed system
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:59 PM, Jan RBW jan@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone tried 10 speed systems with Sugino XD2 cranks? Rivendell's web page says: Works with everything but 10 (or more--nice one campy) speed cassette drive trains. Why wouldn't it work with 10 speed? Is the 10 speed chain too narrow? Maybe change the question around a bit: why do you want 10spd? What about 7,8, or 9? They should all fit on the same hub body, I think. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sugino XD2 triple with 10 speed system
The spacing between the chainrings on the XD is for 7/8sp chain. If you are using indexed shifting for 10sp with 10sp chain, then the front derailleur won't push the chain far enough to make the shift. You could get around this if your front shifter is friction, but I imagine there is a risk of the skinnier chain getting wedged between the chainrings. In my experience, if you are using 10sp, especially with STI, you really want to make sure your drivetrain components match. Actually, come to think of it, 9sp STI is pretty bad on the XD cranks, too, but friction makes it better. Speaking of STI, the latest versions are, IMO, much better than earlier ones. Uglier, too, but they work great. You could brush off this topic and say 7-speed is plenty good for me, which is true for most of us, but SRAM and Shimano are pushing hard to make 10sp the standard for their mountain groups. There will soon be many more gearing and shifter/derailleur options for 10sp than there will be for 7/8/9sp. Personally, I run whatever I have lying around, and have no preference as long as I can make it work on my bike. I imagine I'll be using something 10sp in the not-too-distant future. On Aug 18, 10:59 pm, Jan RBW jan@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone tried 10 speed systems with Sugino XD2 cranks? Rivendell's web page says: Works with everything but 10 (or more--nice one campy) speed cassette drive trains. Why wouldn't it work with 10 speed? Is the 10 speed chain too narrow? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv's Retreat from 650B in Larger Sizes, Optimum Tire Pressures/Sizes
On Aug 18, 2010, at 6:33 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote: On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 18:24 -0500, Tim McNamara wrote: To me, the real question is, other than styling and the whole fantasy wannabee pro racer let's play pretend, what real advantage does something like a Madone give you for precisely that kind of riding over a racing bike that Eddy Merckx might have ridden? Similar questions can be fairly asked about mountain bikes, randonneur bikes, fixed gear bikes, 29ers, country bikes, etc. It's just a matter of preferences. Not quite sure what you mean, but I would have no difficulty finding a real advantage for certain kinds of riding comparing a mountain bike with a 1972 road racer, never mind a Madone; and I could easily show you how a randonneur bike might provide you with advantages in certain situations compared to a Madone. It's not just preferences, it is also a matter of some tools being more suitable for certain jobs and certain users than others. For the particular users in the original discussion, I'm not sure I would find many, or even any, meaningful advantage in a Madone vs a 1972 road racer, and I could easily find some situations where the 1972 road racer would be superior due to its greater versatility (because of its greater clearances and its ability to mount fenders) And some find a real advantage in the Madone- you might not, but they do. Horses for courses. It's not really any business of mine what someone else wants to ride, I figure. My choices in bikes are what I think is best for me (and, given the mailing list in which I participate, you can guess pretty accurately what my preferences are. I got no Madones.). You will recall, in the original posting, bfd's friends wanted Madones so they could be just like the pros because whatever the pros use must be best for them. My point has been all along that it ain't necessarily so. And it ain't necessarily so that it ain't necessarily so. ;-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
