date:20101029

I completely agree I should be taller. 6ft 1.25inches would be
perfect. And I should weigh about 195 after each of my four daily
meals.

I find that riding a too-small bike is just not as pleasant as riding
a right-sized bike. And I think the RBW notions of right-sized work
perfectly. I'll happily spend your money for you... go custom.

Now, concerning the top tubes

Strength-wise my pure speculation as a pure layman is that for the
sizes where RBW is using double top tubes, there's substantial
strength increase with the diaga-tube versus the 'llel-a-tube. And
that increase is probably in the ballpark with the increase of a 'llel-
a-tube over a single top tube frame. For the diaga-tube, look how
small those triangles are! If it's just marketing, well... it's worked
on me. For the 'llel-a-tube... well, adding extra material itself has
to help. And it does make the main triangle smaller. But having that
long hallway above suggests it's not the most strength-efficient
design. That long rectangle allows a lot of leverage for deformation.
Of course, the real question is: Do the strength-enhancement
differences between one tube vs. 'llel-a-tube vs. diaga-tube matter in
a given application: rider height (i.e. frame size), weight, and
usage... 200#, 10mph flat paved roads? 275#, 20mph boulder-hopping in
sink-hole land? Well, I've made my bet: I've bet that a well-loved
'llel-a-tube'd 60cm Hillborne will last indefinitely with a 260# load
daily on not-great roads and decent trails, 5000 miles/year. The first
four months have been perfect! I'll let you know in a few years how
that's going.

Aesthetics-wise... come on! Diaga-tubes just look wacky! :) Okay,
they're not that bad. But they do not look great. They're visually
confusing, even if you can eek out a symmetry knowing that they simply
flipped the middle head-lug. Hate to say it, because it really isn't
that bad but they put me in mind of the Pontiac Aztek. I'm just
sayin'. I wouldn't let it stop me from buying one, of course. My
appreciation of its strength, whether or not it made a practical
difference for me, easily overwhelms the aesthetics. And it's a bike
that says 'I don't care if *you* like it; I do! to those who note its
looks. Non-violent assertions of independence have intrinsic value.
And of course, if the diaga-tube'd bike fit but the 'llel-a-tube
almost fit... I'd definitely go diaga. But I have literally had
compliments yelled at me half-a-dozen times by men and women who see
my 'llel-a-tubed Hillborne. I have also been stopped by people who
simply wanted to tell me they liked my bike and to chat about it.
Where did you get it? What's the second tube for? I love the paint!
Comments came from non-clubby bike folks *and* from mainstream I-don't-
live-for-bikes people. It is a stunningly attractive object. I
wouldn't expect such mainstream ad hoc looks love for a Diaga-pillar
or Bomba-diag.

Oh, and if you do go custom... get a two-tubed Atlantis-y thing
instead of a Hunqa-y thing... Based on my Hillborne experiences,
having *level* 'llel-a-tubes will probably get women's phone numbers
thrown at you. Smokin'! Ummperhaps you shouldn't mention that to
your wife... :)

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean
P. S.
Yes, I have now planted my feet decidedly on the 'llel-a-tube side of
the line. Let's not get all Butter Battle Book over it, please. But
snarky barbs a la Wilde or Clemens or Churchill... I love those!



On Oct 28, 12:47 pm, Kelly tkslee...@gmail.com wrote:
 Ok I never fit in a Triumph TR6 or a Spitfire, or well that is a
 really long list.
 Now I find the perfect bike my AHH... 67cm but some thought I should
 go double top tube. I didn't as my test ride on a 65 cm was very tight
 even out of the saddle on hard acceration.

 I figured I would get my double top tube on the Hunqapillar to replace
 my tour bike.. not to be.. not a big enough bike not to mention they
 went to the diagnal tube instead of horizontal.. not sure I like the
 look.  What about you?  Is the diagonal really needed? Was the
 horizontal that had been used not a good design or is the diagonal
 just overkill in most cases

 Talked to my wife about paying for a 65cm Hunqapillar with horizontal
 top tubes as a 3k custom. At least that way I get the look I want..
 but short people got no reason.. grrr.. should be a stock size bike..
 ya'll should be taller.. I don't want to wait a year... pout.  Ok I'm
 over it.. sorry

 If I was even only a 6 footer there would be plenty of frames.  Guess
 in 20 years I'll be pissed off and talking about bicycles that I
 didn't fit on too.

 hmm what to do.

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[RBW] Re: High Praise

+1 for this whole notion. Time on a bike may be time *spent*, but it
is not time *wasted*.

I would modify the lines from Raising Arizona.

I love to ride.
'You shore said sump'n there, Neville!

Bikes are great!

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

On Oct 29, 5:01 am, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote:
 I know what you mean.

 I am a yoga teacher, and usually commute to the studio on my Sam.
 Sometimes I take the moped, not because it's faster, but because I
 arrive less sweaty. When no students show up and I rode the moped, I
 feel like I just wasted 40 minutes. But when I ride the bike and I get
 a no show, I just feel like I had a nice short ride.

 Gernot

 On Oct 29, 11:16 am, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote:



  You prefer a seven year old bicycle to a brand new car!  I love it!
  So many people don't get that riding my bike to the grocery store
  makes even a mundane chore an adventure (OK, a possilbe adventure) and
  is fun, versus the hassle of dealing with the car.

  dougP

  On Oct 28, 5:16 pm, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote:

   I was lucky enough to get a new car last Sunday. It's really nice; the 
   whole new car experience, everything working. Comfortable. Fun to drive. 
   I'm honestly excited about it.

   And on Monday morning to come to work, I still couldn't wait to get on my 
   2003 Rambouillet and ride that. That's how great the Rambouillet is. And 
   it's been like that every day this week.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Upgrading from 9 to 8 speed

On Thu, 2010-10-28 at 20:35 -0700, Stonehog wrote:
 I agree - 8 is worth it, but 7 is even slightly better with the
 silvers. For the swap to 8, all you need to do is the cassette. 

Plus, the ratios available with 7 are superior (there are no stock 8s
that start with 13, in fact about the only wide range 8s available now
start with the utterly useless 11), and if you use a spacer behind a 7
you can use all 7 sprockets on the big ring without excessive
cross-chaining issues.  In this case, less is definitely more.



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[RBW] Re: Just Thoughts

2010-10-29 Thread newenglandbike

Kelly, I would call Rivendell and see if they have any 64cm Bombadil
or 64cm Sam Hill frames in stock.   Both have parallel top-tubes and
size-wise, or bar-height-wise, they should be equal or greater than
your 67 AHH.


On Oct 28, 1:47 pm, Kelly tkslee...@gmail.com wrote:
 Ok I never fit in a Triumph TR6 or a Spitfire, or well that is a
 really long list.
 Now I find the perfect bike my AHH... 67cm but some thought I should
 go double top tube. I didn't as my test ride on a 65 cm was very tight
 even out of the saddle on hard acceration.

 I figured I would get my double top tube on the Hunqapillar to replace
 my tour bike.. not to be.. not a big enough bike not to mention they
 went to the diagnal tube instead of horizontal.. not sure I like the
 look.  What about you?  Is the diagonal really needed? Was the
 horizontal that had been used not a good design or is the diagonal
 just overkill in most cases

 Talked to my wife about paying for a 65cm Hunqapillar with horizontal
 top tubes as a 3k custom. At least that way I get the look I want..
 but short people got no reason.. grrr.. should be a stock size bike..
 ya'll should be taller.. I don't want to wait a year... pout.  Ok I'm
 over it.. sorry

 If I was even only a 6 footer there would be plenty of frames.  Guess
 in 20 years I'll be pissed off and talking about bicycles that I
 didn't fit on too.

 hmm what to do.

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[RBW] Re: Upgrading from 9 to 8 speed

2010-10-29 Thread Ginz

I'd use 7sp cassettes if the selection were a bit better and the
quality a bit higher.  For now, I'm using 8sp...

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[RBW] More on 7 speed...plus Bleriot finally finished

2010-10-29 Thread jandrews_nyc

Hi
After reading with interest the previous post about going down in the
number of sprockets from 9 to 8 to 7, I decided to post and share what
I've been dealing with.
First of all, I have a 8 speed Hillborne with Silver shifters built up
by Riv that shifts perfectly...pretty much all the time.

About 6 months ago, I purchased off this list a used Bleriot frameset
and have slowly been building it up on a budget.  I'm finally done but
am having some shifting issues.  By the way, this is the first bike I
ever completely built up all the way from installing headset and BB to
adjusting derailleurs, etc.  So it was a great learning experience.

It's built up as an old man townie 14 speed with the VO wide range
compact double cranksetthe one that's the TA ripoff.
I used a budget Shimano 7 speed cassette with the appropriate 4.5mm
spacer for the current Deore rear hub.
I am using some vintage Suntour handlebar thumbshifters that I
purchased NOS about 2 years ago and used on another bike..so they have
plenty of life left in them.  The crankset is 46T / 30T and the 7
speed cassette is 13-28.
Initially I planned on using the Index setting for the shifters as
they are 7 speed, but I could never get accurate shits.  I did speak
to one mechanic who said Suntours of that era never shifted well and
that's what brought them down.  I don't know if I believe that.
So, since I normally ride friction, I've been content to do that.
but...
The bike slips out of gear often enough to make me think there is some
problem.  Usually its in third largest cog on the cassette. and the
second smallest.  I do have to do a decent amount of trimming when in
the large chainring which is what I'm in 85% of the time.
The little 30T front chainring is reserved for climbing.

Also one more thing...The VO crank and the recommended 118 BB didn't
work initially on the Bleriot.  The crankarms would hit the chainstays
so I used another very long BB that I had.  It's 127.5!  I think the
ideal BB spindle length for this combo would be 122-ish.
I don't know if that is contributing to the shifting slipping, but it
seems to inconsequential to me when I'm riding because that crankset
is so low-Q to begin with.

Any suggestions? I am thinking of maybe taking one more link out of
the chain.

Photos below:

http://gallery.me.com/jasonaschwartz#100082

Thanks,
Jason

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[RBW] Re: Upgrading from 9 to 8 speed

2010-10-29 Thread Mike

If one goes from 8 to 7 speed does the rear derailer set screw need to
be adjusted or do the limits remain the same? I've been using a
Sheldon Century Special 8 speed cassette on my Hilsen but have thought
of going to 7 speed in the future, just sorta curious about set-up.

On Oct 29, 4:08 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
 On Thu, 2010-10-28 at 20:35 -0700, Stonehog wrote:
  I agree - 8 is worth it, but 7 is even slightly better with the
  silvers. For the swap to 8, all you need to do is the cassette.

 Plus, the ratios available with 7 are superior (there are no stock 8s
 that start with 13, in fact about the only wide range 8s available now
 start with the utterly useless 11), and if you use a spacer behind a 7
 you can use all 7 sprockets on the big ring without excessive
 cross-chaining issues.  In this case, less is definitely more.

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[RBW] Re: Upgrading from 9 to 8 speed

2010-10-29 Thread Forrest

I went from 9 to 8 using Silver shifters and the move to 8 has been an
improvement for me. I have a 7-spd freewheel (and Silver shifters) on
my other bike, and that works real well, too. I like the 7, but not
better than the 8. Not worse, either.  -- Forrest

On Oct 28, 9:44 pm, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thinking of replacing a Shimano 9 speed cassette with an 8. Shifters
 are Silvers. Do I need to upgrade the 9 sp Sram chain to an 8 sp as
 well? My hunch is that with friction I won't notice a difference. Has
 anyone tried this?

 Am I being silly? I have 3 bikes with 9 speed, and one in storage with
 7. Should I just leave well enough alone? I find the Silvers shift
 great most of the time, though sometimes I shift two gears when I
 intend to only shift one (not a big deal with a close ratio cassette).
 The Shimano barends on another bike don't shift so well in friction on
 9 speed, but I did just order another pair of Silvers. Just curious
 how much better Silvers shift over 8 compared to 9 speeds, and whether
 that would be further improved by using an 8 sp chain.

 Thanks,

 Gernot

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Thoughts

Huh?

Can we stop all the talk about?

Uh... no?

Referring to cars might get old if it happens all the time, just like composing 
haiku might get old if it happens all the time. I don't think you'd ask, but 
don't expect to bring a halt to haiku writing in the forum if you do.

bicycle does not mean anything but car. And referring to a car or something 
about a car is not referring to car culture, a phrase which it seems is 
intended to imply a taint that ain't.

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean
P.S.
Heaven forfend the choice, but I'd rather someone stole my car than my bike. 
And though I only do it a few times a year, I'm very lucky I found a way to 
haul my Hillborne on my Fit.


- newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote:
 OK this post has nothing to do with the question at hand-but can
 we stop all the talk about cars?There was a 'Jaguar' reference in
 another thread, here a 'Triumph' reference, somebody bought a new car
 in yet another thread, and now we have the Pontiac Aztec. I mean
 no disrespect nor to pick on anyone in particular but come on, this is
 a *bicycle* forum and we are all bicyclists here-  we can draw
 analogies from something other than car culture, can't we?
 
 
 
 On Oct 29, 6:02 am, Thomas Lynn Skean 
 wrote:
  I completely agree I should be taller. 6ft 1.25inches would be
  perfect. And I should weigh about 195 after each of my four daily
  meals.
 
  I find that riding a too-small bike is just not as pleasant as riding
  a right-sized bike. And I think the RBW notions of right-sized work
  perfectly. I'll happily spend your money for you... go custom.
 
  Now, concerning the top tubes
 
  Strength-wise my pure speculation as a pure layman is that for the
  sizes where RBW is using double top tubes, there's substantial
  strength increase with the diaga-tube versus the 'llel-a-tube. And
  that increase is probably in the ballpark with the increase of a 'llel-
  a-tube over a single top tube frame. For the diaga-tube, look how
  small those triangles are! If it's just marketing, well... it's worked
  on me. For the 'llel-a-tube... well, adding extra material itself has
  to help. And it does make the main triangle smaller. But having that
  long hallway above suggests it's not the most strength-efficient
  design. That long rectangle allows a lot of leverage for deformation.
  Of course, the real question is: Do the strength-enhancement
  differences between one tube vs. 'llel-a-tube vs. diaga-tube matter in
  a given application: rider height (i.e. frame size), weight, and
  usage... 200#, 10mph flat paved roads? 275#, 20mph boulder-hopping in
  sink-hole land? Well, I've made my bet: I've bet that a well-loved
  'llel-a-tube'd 60cm Hillborne will last indefinitely with a 260# load
  daily on not-great roads and decent trails, 5000 miles/year. The first
  four months have been perfect! I'll let you know in a few years how
  that's going.
 
  Aesthetics-wise... come on! Diaga-tubes just look wacky! :) Okay,
  they're not that bad. But they do not look great. They're visually
  confusing, even if you can eek out a symmetry knowing that they simply
  flipped the middle head-lug. Hate to say it, because it really isn't
  that bad but they put me in mind of the Pontiac Aztek. I'm just
  sayin'. I wouldn't let it stop me from buying one, of course. My
  appreciation of its strength, whether or not it made a practical
  difference for me, easily overwhelms the aesthetics. And it's a bike
  that says 'I don't care if *you* like it; I do! to those who note its
  looks. Non-violent assertions of independence have intrinsic value.
  And of course, if the diaga-tube'd bike fit but the 'llel-a-tube
  almost fit... I'd definitely go diaga. But I have literally had
  compliments yelled at me half-a-dozen times by men and women who see
  my 'llel-a-tubed Hillborne. I have also been stopped by people who
  simply wanted to tell me they liked my bike and to chat about it.
  Where did you get it? What's the second tube for? I love the paint!
  Comments came from non-clubby bike folks *and* from mainstream I-don't-
  live-for-bikes people. It is a stunningly attractive object. I
  wouldn't expect such mainstream ad hoc looks love for a Diaga-pillar
  or Bomba-diag.
 
  Oh, and if you do go custom... get a two-tubed Atlantis-y thing
  instead of a Hunqa-y thing... Based on my Hillborne experiences,
  having *level* 'llel-a-tubes will probably get women's phone numbers
  thrown at you. Smokin'! Ummperhaps you shouldn't mention that to
  your wife... :)
 
  Yours,
  Thomas Lynn Skean
  P. S.
  Yes, I have now planted my feet decidedly on the 'llel-a-tube side of
  the line. Let's not get all Butter Battle Book over it, please. But
  snarky barbs a la Wilde or Clemens or Churchill... I love those!
 
  On Oct 28, 12:47 pm, Kelly  wrote:
 
   Ok I never fit in a Triumph TR6 or a Spitfire, or well that is a
   really long list.
   Now I find the perfect bike my

[RBW] Re: Upgrading from 9 to 8 speed

2010-10-29 Thread Michael_S

yes, the upper limit screw has to be adjusted as 7 speed casettes are
narrower than 8 or 9. That was the only thing I did switching from 9
to 7.

~Mike~


On Oct 29, 7:18 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
 If one goes from 8 to 7 speed does the rear derailer set screw need to
 be adjusted or do the limits remain the same? I've been using a
 Sheldon Century Special 8 speed cassette on my Hilsen but have thought
 of going to 7 speed in the future, just sorta curious about set-up.

 On Oct 29, 4:08 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:



  On Thu, 2010-10-28 at 20:35 -0700, Stonehog wrote:
   I agree - 8 is worth it, but 7 is even slightly better with the
   silvers. For the swap to 8, all you need to do is the cassette.

  Plus, the ratios available with 7 are superior (there are no stock 8s
  that start with 13, in fact about the only wide range 8s available now
  start with the utterly useless 11), and if you use a spacer behind a 7
  you can use all 7 sprockets on the big ring without excessive
  cross-chaining issues.  In this case, less is definitely more.- Hide quoted 
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[RBW] Re: Winter Vacation

2010-10-29 Thread Michael_S

I would agree with Kevin that Maui, and I think Kauai, are great for
cycling vactions.  One note though... the water off Hawaii pales in
comparison to the blue Caribbean.

~Mike~

On Oct 29, 1:18 am, Rob Harrison robha...@gmail.com wrote:
 We had a project over there, in Honolulu actually. Living Building 
 Challenge... I fell in love. Such a beautiful, sensual place. Unfortunately 
 the project didn't proceed--due to the banking crisis. Go, if you can. You 
 will not regret it.

 Rob in Seattle

 On Oct 28, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Kevin Turinsky kjturin...@mac.com wrote:



  While perhaps seemingly not as exotic as some of those other places, I
  urge you not to underestimate the mindblowingly high-quality riding
  and adventure Maui has to offer. Maui is not just touristy beaches and
  golf. There's great backcountry stuff there; hikes and waterfalls
  galore. The riding there is simply blissful - no glass at all on the
  roads. Roads have good shoulders. Rent a house or BB over on Paia
  side, up in Haiku. Leave for Hana or Kaanapali 1/2 hour before
  sunrise, and you'll likely never have a car come from behind. I've
  ridden all over that island, and there is so much fantastic adventure
  riding and backcountry roads that's it's amazing; farms, beaches,
  waves, chickens, cows, horses, piggies, sugar cane, forests, mist,
  sun, warm rain, toads, roadside pig roasts, smoothie stands, etc. Most
  people don't realize just how good it is, because all they know about
  is touristy Kihei or Wailea. I never ride over there. The backroad to
  Kaanapali is a joy on weekday mornings; no to very low traffic. I'd go
  out and ride for 4 hours in the morning, get back to the house and
  then zip off to the beach w/ the family! Perfect!! I always took my
  Atlantis w/ skinny wheels/tires, but you can rent Litespeeds there.
  Hell, you could even get off the plane, make your first stop at Costco
  and buy a cheap-o bike and ride it into the ground for two weeks, then
  donate it to your favorite cause. I've heard of that technique used
  many times.

  The roads are fantastic, lots and lots of climbing if you want it,
  great beer, food stops everywhere, virtually no language problems,
  friendly country folks...I could go on and on. There's a really good
  Maui bike map too, that way you'll be able to link up seemingly
  endless rides. I'll dig around for the link.

  Maui, Maui, Maui. None of the other Hawaiian islands have such high-
  quality, interesting, and varied riding. Oh, and you can even get a
  guest membership to the Outrigger paddling clubs, and do some big
  morning ocean paddles. Do a search on it. I urge you!

  There's way more to Maui than just Don Ho.

  Kevin

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Re: [RBW] Re: Winter Vacation

2010-10-29 Thread Seth Vidal

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote:
 I would agree with Kevin that Maui, and I think Kauai, are great for
 cycling vactions.  One note though... the water off Hawaii pales in
 comparison to the blue Caribbean.


Would NZ be too far afield? I ask b/c jan/feb there is quite nice.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Winter Vacation

2010-10-29 Thread Eric Norris

My wife and I recently spent some time on Kauai ... and I brought my folding 
bike.  Cycling there is nice, but not as varied as you might find on Oahu 
(where I have also ridden) and limited by the island's size.  Kauai is smaller 
than Oahu, and the paved road system only goes about 3/4 of the way around the 
island. 

If you like climbing, there is the road to the overlooks of Waimea Canyon 
(which I unfortunately didn't get to ride).

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On Oct 29, 2010, at 7:45 AM, Michael_S wrote:

 I would agree with Kevin that Maui, and I think Kauai, are great for
 cycling vactions.  One note though... the water off Hawaii pales in
 comparison to the blue Caribbean.
 
 ~Mike~
 
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 We had a project over there, in Honolulu actually. Living Building 
 Challenge... I fell in love. Such a beautiful, sensual place. Unfortunately 
 the project didn't proceed--due to the banking crisis. Go, if you can. You 
 will not regret it.
 
 Rob in Seattle
 
 On Oct 28, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Kevin Turinsky kjturin...@mac.com wrote:
 
 
 
 While perhaps seemingly not as exotic as some of those other places, I
 urge you not to underestimate the mindblowingly high-quality riding
 and adventure Maui has to offer. Maui is not just touristy beaches and
 golf. There's great backcountry stuff there; hikes and waterfalls
 galore. The riding there is simply blissful - no glass at all on the
 roads. Roads have good shoulders. Rent a house or BB over on Paia
 side, up in Haiku. Leave for Hana or Kaanapali 1/2 hour before
 sunrise, and you'll likely never have a car come from behind. I've
 ridden all over that island, and there is so much fantastic adventure
 riding and backcountry roads that's it's amazing; farms, beaches,
 waves, chickens, cows, horses, piggies, sugar cane, forests, mist,
 sun, warm rain, toads, roadside pig roasts, smoothie stands, etc. Most
 people don't realize just how good it is, because all they know about
 is touristy Kihei or Wailea. I never ride over there. The backroad to
 Kaanapali is a joy on weekday mornings; no to very low traffic. I'd go
 out and ride for 4 hours in the morning, get back to the house and
 then zip off to the beach w/ the family! Perfect!! I always took my
 Atlantis w/ skinny wheels/tires, but you can rent Litespeeds there.
 Hell, you could even get off the plane, make your first stop at Costco
 and buy a cheap-o bike and ride it into the ground for two weeks, then
 donate it to your favorite cause. I've heard of that technique used
 many times.
 
 The roads are fantastic, lots and lots of climbing if you want it,
 great beer, food stops everywhere, virtually no language problems,
 friendly country folks...I could go on and on. There's a really good
 Maui bike map too, that way you'll be able to link up seemingly
 endless rides. I'll dig around for the link.
 
 Maui, Maui, Maui. None of the other Hawaiian islands have such high-
 quality, interesting, and varied riding. Oh, and you can even get a
 guest membership to the Outrigger paddling clubs, and do some big
 morning ocean paddles. Do a search on it. I urge you!
 
 There's way more to Maui than just Don Ho.
 
 Kevin
 
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[RBW] Re: Just Thoughts

2010-10-29 Thread Kelly

I actually don't mind the look of the new Bombadil.  I don't like the
water bottle cage.. my coffee will spill at that angle.




On Oct 29, 8:04 am, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote:
 Kelly, I would call Rivendell and see if they have any 64cm Bombadil
 or 64cm Sam Hill frames in stock.   Both have parallel top-tubes and
 size-wise, or bar-height-wise, they should be equal or greater than
 your 67 AHH.



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Re: [RBW] Tires for the Winter

2010-10-29 Thread Bruce Baker

Thanks for all of the input. I think the best option was to have a
different bike for winter. That would be a good excuse to get another Riv!
Unfortunately I just bought the Sam H. and don't think I can swing another
bike. I think the one of the Scwalbes non-studded should work. I did like
the idea of having a different set of wheels for the winter. I'll keep you
posted on what I end up with..
Bruce

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 5:05 AM, nawr...@comcast.net wrote:

Consider getting a second wheelset with the studded snow tires mounted on
them. This is what I do and it makes it easy to swap out the wheelset when
bad wheather rolls in.

Dave Nawrocki
Fort Collins, CO

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Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 8:02:45 AM
Subject: [RBW] Tires for the Winter

Does anyone have suggestions for tires for the wintertime on a Sam Hill???
I'm running Jack Browns at the moment but I would like more tread for those
wet snowy conditions..
Thanks,
Bruce

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[RBW] Re: High Praise

2010-10-29 Thread George Schick

Jim - I agree.  Every time I hop onto my Rambouillet I am amazed all
over again at what a great handling bike and wonderful ride I am on.
I wish I would've had a bike like that many, many years ago.

George

On Oct 28, 7:16 pm, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote:
 I was lucky enough to get a new car last Sunday. It's really nice; the whole 
 new car experience, everything working. Comfortable. Fun to drive. I'm 
 honestly excited about it.

 And on Monday morning to come to work, I still couldn't wait to get on my 
 2003 Rambouillet and ride that. That's how great the Rambouillet is. And it's 
 been like that every day this week.

 -Jim W.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Thoughts

Oh, if they have parallel-tubed 64cm Bombadils, that seems it'd be worth a 
shot. I haven't compared the geometries, but it can't be way far off the 
theoretical Hunqa 65cm.

Consider the Hillborne carefully, though. I love mine to death. But It 
certainly won't fit the range of tires that either a Hunqa or a Bomba would. 
And I notice the price on the web is only $1000 for the 64cm; I'd check with 
RBW instead of assuming those have either canti-studs (which it isn't clear you 
care about) *or* two top tubes (which it seems clear you do).

It'd be cool if the Hillborne works out for you; the price would sure be right! 
Mine's a dream.

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean


- newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote:
 Kelly, I would call Rivendell and see if they have any 64cm Bombadil
 or 64cm Sam Hill frames in stock.   Both have parallel top-tubes and
 size-wise, or bar-height-wise, they should be equal or greater than
 your 67 AHH.
 
 
 On Oct 28, 1:47 pm, Kelly  wrote:
  Ok I never fit in a Triumph TR6 or a Spitfire, or well that is a
  really long list.
  Now I find the perfect bike my AHH... 67cm but some thought I should
  go double top tube. I didn't as my test ride on a 65 cm was very tight
  even out of the saddle on hard acceration.
 
  I figured I would get my double top tube on the Hunqapillar to replace
  my tour bike.. not to be.. not a big enough bike not to mention they
  went to the diagnal tube instead of horizontal.. not sure I like the
  look.  What about you?  Is the diagonal really needed? Was the
  horizontal that had been used not a good design or is the diagonal
  just overkill in most cases
 
  Talked to my wife about paying for a 65cm Hunqapillar with horizontal
  top tubes as a 3k custom. At least that way I get the look I want..
  but short people got no reason.. grrr.. should be a stock size bike..
  ya'll should be taller.. I don't want to wait a year... pout.  Ok I'm
  over it.. sorry
 
  If I was even only a 6 footer there would be plenty of frames.  Guess
  in 20 years I'll be pissed off and talking about bicycles that I
  didn't fit on too.
 
  hmm what to do.
 
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[RBW] 1950 rough stuff race

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9_Fs1QtsOYfeature=player_embedded (from
AHTBMhttp://www.allhailtheblackmarket.com/2010/10/a_quilt_work_of_mish_mash_hodg.html
)

I guess technically it's a cyclocross race, but by eyes tell me it's
something else!

Don't forget to join us on Nov.
13thhttp://www.flickr.com/groups/socal_rivendell_bicycle_appreciation_society/discuss/72157624750204662/!
It will look something like that.

But not really.

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RE: [RBW] Re: Just Thoughts

2010-10-29 Thread Frederick, Steve

...we can draw analogies from something other than car culture, can't we?



This is America--what do you think?  B-)  

(Car analogies are the Cadillac of analogies)


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[RBW] Two posts on our site

2010-10-29 Thread John Bennett

We've had a super slow week, and yesterday was the slowest day of all.

Grant wrote this last night:

http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/303

Dave thought of this a little while ago:

http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/304

As Grant said, If you plan to buy something anyway and we have
ithope to hear from you.

Cheers,

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Re: [RBW] Two posts on our site

2010-10-29 Thread Seth Vidal

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 1:46 PM, John Bennett johnat...@gmail.com wrote:
 We've had a super slow week, and yesterday was the slowest day of all.

 Grant wrote this last night:

 http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/303

 Dave thought of this a little while ago:

 http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/304

 As Grant said, If you plan to buy something anyway and we have
 ithope to hear from you.


You don't happen to have a secret stash of large AHH that aren't
showing up on the sale page, do you?

-sv

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Re: [RBW] Two posts on our site

I feel your pain. The resume business, surprisingly active during the
usually slow summer, has been exceptionally bad over the last six
weeks, for me and for others including the very high enders ($1500/pop
upward).

That said, one OT comment and one OT (= on topic) comment: first,
send me (y'all; not just John) solid resume candidates and if I close,
you get 20% (my usual fee for mid-level management and professionals
is $500 + $100 for cover letter, so that's $100 or $120), which is 5%
better than the usual referral fee at this level.

Second: I hope to buy a tech deluxe shortly after I mess around with
the Motobecane's bar reach and height. AND I will spend at least 10%
of the remainder at Riv for each such as above client.

So there.

Patrick struggling in ABQ Moore

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 11:46 AM, John Bennett johnat...@gmail.com wrote:
 We've had a super slow week, and yesterday was the slowest day of all.

 Grant wrote this last night:

 http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/303

 Dave thought of this a little while ago:

 http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/304

 As Grant said, If you plan to buy something anyway and we have
 ithope to hear from you.

 Cheers,

 John

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Re: [RBW] 1950 rough stuff race

I love the water traps. Two observations and questions: one, steel
versus crabon fibre or somesuch light stuff: con for steel: heavier
when you are flinging your steed across small rivers. Pro for steel:
it won't break as easily when your throw it and hit a boulder.

Second observation: gearing: this sort of course seems like a good
candidate for a ss: say 60 to 65; I used to use 63 for allrounder
dirt-cum-pavement. I don't see anyone twiddling and a sub 65 gear is
low enough to get you through surprisingly deep muck (I used it on
sand here in dry ABQ) yet high enough that you don't spin your eyes
out on the rare flat-'n'-smooths.

What do y'all think?

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 10:36 AM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9_Fs1QtsOYfeature=player_embedded (from
 AHTBM)

 I guess technically it's a cyclocross race, but by eyes tell me it's
 something else!

 Don't forget to join us on Nov. 13th!  It will look something like that.

 But not really.

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[RBW] Re: Two posts on our site

2010-10-29 Thread John Bennett

Nope, but we're happy to take your deposit on one!


On Oct 29, 11:01 am, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 1:46 PM, John Bennett johnat...@gmail.com wrote:
  We've had a super slow week, and yesterday was the slowest day of all.

  Grant wrote this last night:

 http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/303

  Dave thought of this a little while ago:

 http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/304

  As Grant said, If you plan to buy something anyway and we have
  ithope to hear from you.

 You don't happen to have a secret stash of large AHH that aren't
 showing up on the sale page, do you?

 -sv

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[RBW] Re: Two posts on our site

2010-10-29 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery

Slow here at Hiawatha Cyclery, too. The weather has been more
beautiful than usual for October, and I see people out on bikes, but
for whatever reason they're not in here buying stuff or getting
repairs. A good snow/ice storm would clear us out of studded tires,
and some mid-winter seasonal depression would boost the retail therapy
part of the business. But for now it's relatively warm and sunny and I
get a lot of phone calls from people who maybe might be in to buy some
unspecified thing at some unspecified future time, but darned few
actual transactions that put money in the bank.

On Oct 29, 12:46 pm, John Bennett johnat...@gmail.com wrote:
 We've had a super slow week, and yesterday was the slowest day of all.

 Grant wrote this last night:

 http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/303

 Dave thought of this a little while ago:

 http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/304

 As Grant said, If you plan to buy something anyway and we have
 ithope to hear from you.

 Cheers,

 John

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[RBW] Re: Two posts on our site

2010-10-29 Thread eflayer

Grant's discussion about salary and the SF Giants got me to thinking.
Barry Zito is being paid $18 million for this season.  He pitched 199
innings.  That means he got paid $90 thousand for each inning he
pitched.  If he averaged 25 pitches per inning, he was getting paid
about $3500 per pitch. And now he is sitting on the bench cause he's
not very good, and to be a spectator he is getting paid about $90
thousand per game.

Now that's obscene.

On Oct 29, 11:19 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 I feel your pain. The resume business, surprisingly active during the
 usually slow summer, has been exceptionally bad over the last six
 weeks, for me and for others including the very high enders ($1500/pop
 upward).

 That said, one OT comment and one OT (= on topic) comment: first,
 send me (y'all; not just John) solid resume candidates and if I close,
 you get 20% (my usual fee for mid-level management and professionals
 is $500 + $100 for cover letter, so that's $100 or $120), which is 5%
 better than the usual referral fee at this level.

 Second: I hope to buy a tech deluxe shortly after I mess around with
 the Motobecane's bar reach and height. AND I will spend at least 10%
 of the remainder at Riv for each such as above client.

 So there.

 Patrick struggling in ABQ Moore





 On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 11:46 AM, John Bennett johnat...@gmail.com wrote:
  We've had a super slow week, and yesterday was the slowest day of all.

  Grant wrote this last night:

 http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/303

  Dave thought of this a little while ago:

 http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/304

  As Grant said, If you plan to buy something anyway and we have
  ithope to hear from you.

  Cheers,

  John

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[RBW] Re: Upgrading from 9 to 8 speed

2010-10-29 Thread Ginz

Also, the spacer you put behind the 7sp cassette (on an 8sp freehub
body) will change the alignment. So, adjusting the limit screws is
definitely necessary.

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[RBW] Re: 1950 rough stuff race

2010-10-29 Thread Patrick in VT

On Oct 29, 2:25 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Second observation: gearing: this sort of course seems like a good
 candidate for a ss: say 60 to 65; I used to use 63 for allrounder
 dirt-cum-pavement. I don't see anyone twiddling and a sub 65 gear is
 low enough to get you through surprisingly deep muck (I used it on
 sand here in dry ABQ) yet high enough that you don't spin your eyes
 out on the rare flat-'n'-smooths.

 What do y'all think?

for the die-hard cx ss'ers, any course is a good candidate for a
single gear!  2:1 is a good starting point - I see lots of 39x18 or
34x17 out there (in the ss category, of course - ss'ers aren't really
competitive in the elite or even cat 3 fields), and that seems
reasonable for most New England courses I race.  CX is hard.  SSCX is
really hard - those who do it tend to rock.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Two posts on our site

Stupid Giants

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 11:50 AM, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote:

Grant's discussion about salary and the SF Giants got me to thinking.
Barry Zito is being paid $18 million for this season. He pitched 199
innings. That means he got paid $90 thousand for each inning he
pitched. If he averaged 25 pitches per inning, he was getting paid
about $3500 per pitch. And now he is sitting on the bench cause he's
not very good, and to be a spectator he is getting paid about $90
thousand per game.

Now that's obscene.

On Oct 29, 11:19 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
I feel your pain. The resume business, surprisingly active during the
usually slow summer, has been exceptionally bad over the last six
weeks, for me and for others including the very high enders ($1500/pop
upward).

That said, one OT comment and one OT (= on topic) comment: first,
send me (y'all; not just John) solid resume candidates and if I close,
you get 20% (my usual fee for mid-level management and professionals
is $500 + $100 for cover letter, so that's $100 or $120), which is 5%
better than the usual referral fee at this level.

Second: I hope to buy a tech deluxe shortly after I mess around with
the Motobecane's bar reach and height. AND I will spend at least 10%
of the remainder at Riv for each such as above client.

So there.

Patrick struggling in ABQ Moore

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We've had a super slow week, and yesterday was the slowest day of all.

Grant wrote this last night:

http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/303

Dave thought of this a little while ago:

http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/304

As Grant said, If you plan to buy something anyway and we have
ithope to hear from you.

Cheers,

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[RBW] Re: Upgrading from 9 to 8 speed

2010-10-29 Thread MichaelH

I use silver shifters and 9 speed.  I have been very happy with it.  I
tried using an inexpensive sram cassette and chain and was very, very
unhappy with it.  When I returned to the good Ultegra cassette and
conex 908 chain I returned to excellent shifting.  I use Dura Ace
indexed bar ends and a 9 speed set up on my tandem but find that the
silvers out perform the DA.  I also try to use the shortest cage
derailler I can get away with.  I had very good shifting with a mid
length Centaur, but when I switched to a CD, I purchased the new
Shimano short cage and find I never miss a shift and only very rarely
have to trim the rear derailler. I don't see how it could get better
than that!

Michael



On Oct 28, 10:44 pm, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thinking of replacing a Shimano 9 speed cassette with an 8. Shifters
 are Silvers. Do I need to upgrade the 9 sp Sram chain to an 8 sp as
 well? My hunch is that with friction I won't notice a difference. Has
 anyone tried this?

 Am I being silly? I have 3 bikes with 9 speed, and one in storage with
 7. Should I just leave well enough alone? I find the Silvers shift
 great most of the time, though sometimes I shift two gears when I
 intend to only shift one (not a big deal with a close ratio cassette).
 The Shimano barends on another bike don't shift so well in friction on
 9 speed, but I did just order another pair of Silvers. Just curious
 how much better Silvers shift over 8 compared to 9 speeds, and whether
 that would be further improved by using an 8 sp chain.

 Thanks,

 Gernot

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[RBW] Re: Two posts on our site

2010-10-29 Thread William

We can all vote with our dollars. There are a few things I could
afford to stock up on, so I'll call in an order

On Oct 29, 1:19 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
Stupid Giants

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 11:50 AM, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote:
Grant's discussion about salary and the SF Giants got me to thinking.
Barry Zito is being paid $18 million for this season. He pitched 199
innings. That means he got paid $90 thousand for each inning he
pitched. If he averaged 25 pitches per inning, he was getting paid
about $3500 per pitch. And now he is sitting on the bench cause he's
not very good, and to be a spectator he is getting paid about $90
thousand per game.

Now that's obscene.

Second: I hope to buy a tech deluxe shortly after I mess around with
the Motobecane's bar reach and height. AND I will spend at least 10%
of the remainder at Riv for each such as above client.

So there.

Patrick struggling in ABQ Moore

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 11:46 AM, John Bennett johnat...@gmail.com
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We've had a super slow week, and yesterday was the slowest day of all.

Grant wrote this last night:

http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/303

Dave thought of this a little while ago:

http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/304

As Grant said, If you plan to buy something anyway and we have
ithope to hear from you.

Cheers,

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Re: [RBW] Two posts on our site

2010-10-29 Thread Anne Paulson

In his posting, Grant says nobody ever wears out tread on tires
anymore. OK, this is embarrassing, but *twice in the last two years* I
have had flats resulting from wearing through the tread of a Panaracer
Pasela. The thing is, it's hard to notice the tread on a rear tire if
you have fenders.

The second offense was on my recent tour in the Sierra. Heading down
from Carson Pass, I heard the ominous hissing sound. Darn I'm unlucky,
I thought as I began to unload the panniers to fix the flat. On seeing
the tire, and the hard evidence of my neglect, I realized that in fact
I was very lucky to get a flat that day, instead of the previous day
on the climb when it was raining and there was no shoulder.

A Highway Patrol officer stopped and inquired if I was OK. As I carry
a spare tire when I'm touring, I assured him that all was under
control. Later on that day, when I stopped at Hams Station for a late
breakfast, the same Highway Patrol guy walked past my table saying,
So I see you fixed your tire.  I'm sure he would have given me a
lift had I needed it. Nice guy.

-- Anne

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 We've had a super slow week, and yesterday was the slowest day of all.

 Grant wrote this last night:

 http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/303

 Dave thought of this a little while ago:

 http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/304

 As Grant said, If you plan to buy something anyway and we have
 ithope to hear from you.

 Cheers,

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[RBW] Re: Just Thoughts

2010-10-29 Thread Garth

A 64cm. Bombadil may fit you, it depends on how long you need your TT
to be. The Bombadil is notable longer.

BTW, the 64cm. Sam frame on the web site is $1250, not $1000. Bummer.
Keven told me it had not been updated.

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[RBW] Re: Two posts on our site

2010-10-29 Thread reynoldslugs

1. I don't need much, but I am gonna call RBWHQ and order some stuff.

2. Earlier this year I noticed that Grant sorta looks like Barry
Zito.  I am not sure if that is good or bad, but it would be nice if a
guy like Grant could feel a little of that mega-million love Barry
gets for not pitching.  One pitch = price of a beautiful steel
Rivendell bike.

RL

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[RBW] Re: Two posts on our site

Contrary to popular belief, it is possible to wear out Schwalbe
Marathons.  On my Atlantis, are rear will go around 6k miles, in a mix
of loaded touring, some off roading  general riding.  I've never
pushed one to the point of seeing what's under the tread but when the
center of the chevron pattern is getting faint I think it's earned its
keep.  A brand new pair of tires at the start of touring season is
pretty good insurance against flats.

BTW, Riv has stock again on the Marathon Supreme (my favorite).  I
just got a pair of 40s, looking ahead to next year.  They seem to
come'n'go, so I grabbed 'em while they had them.  Expensive? Sure.
Worth it? Absolutely.

dougP

On Oct 29, 2:15 pm, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote:
 In his posting, Grant says nobody ever wears out tread on tires
 anymore. OK, this is embarrassing, but *twice in the last two years* I
 have had flats resulting from wearing through the tread of a Panaracer
 Pasela. The thing is, it's hard to notice the tread on a rear tire if
 you have fenders.

 The second offense was on my recent tour in the Sierra. Heading down
 from Carson Pass, I heard the ominous hissing sound. Darn I'm unlucky,
 I thought as I began to unload the panniers to fix the flat. On seeing
 the tire, and the hard evidence of my neglect, I realized that in fact
 I was very lucky to get a flat that day, instead of the previous day
 on the climb when it was raining and there was no shoulder.

 A Highway Patrol officer stopped and inquired if I was OK. As I carry
 a spare tire when I'm touring, I assured him that all was under
 control. Later on that day, when I stopped at Hams Station for a late
 breakfast, the same Highway Patrol guy walked past my table saying,
 So I see you fixed your tire.  I'm sure he would have given me a
 lift had I needed it. Nice guy.

 -- Anne





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  We've had a super slow week, and yesterday was the slowest day of all.

  Grant wrote this last night:

 http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/303

  Dave thought of this a little while ago:

 http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/304

  As Grant said, If you plan to buy something anyway and we have
  ithope to hear from you.

  Cheers,

  John

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[RBW] Re: Just Thoughts

I thought Kelly's using a car analogy to reference his size was a lot
more interesting than just saying I'm a really big guy.

dougP

On Oct 29, 5:59 am, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote:
 OK this post has nothing to do with the question at hand-    but can
 we stop all the talk about cars?    There was a 'Jaguar' reference in
 another thread, here a 'Triumph' reference, somebody bought a new car
 in yet another thread, and now we have the Pontiac Aztec.     I mean
 no disrespect nor to pick on anyone in particular but come on, this is
 a *bicycle* forum and we are all bicyclists here-  we can draw
 analogies from something other than car culture, can't we?

 On Oct 29, 6:02 am, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net
 wrote:



  I completely agree I should be taller. 6ft 1.25inches would be
  perfect. And I should weigh about 195 after each of my four daily
  meals.

  I find that riding a too-small bike is just not as pleasant as riding
  a right-sized bike. And I think the RBW notions of right-sized work
  perfectly. I'll happily spend your money for you... go custom.

  Now, concerning the top tubes

  Strength-wise my pure speculation as a pure layman is that for the
  sizes where RBW is using double top tubes, there's substantial
  strength increase with the diaga-tube versus the 'llel-a-tube. And
  that increase is probably in the ballpark with the increase of a 'llel-
  a-tube over a single top tube frame. For the diaga-tube, look how
  small those triangles are! If it's just marketing, well... it's worked
  on me. For the 'llel-a-tube... well, adding extra material itself has
  to help. And it does make the main triangle smaller. But having that
  long hallway above suggests it's not the most strength-efficient
  design. That long rectangle allows a lot of leverage for deformation.
  Of course, the real question is: Do the strength-enhancement
  differences between one tube vs. 'llel-a-tube vs. diaga-tube matter in
  a given application: rider height (i.e. frame size), weight, and
  usage... 200#, 10mph flat paved roads? 275#, 20mph boulder-hopping in
  sink-hole land? Well, I've made my bet: I've bet that a well-loved
  'llel-a-tube'd 60cm Hillborne will last indefinitely with a 260# load
  daily on not-great roads and decent trails, 5000 miles/year. The first
  four months have been perfect! I'll let you know in a few years how
  that's going.

  Aesthetics-wise... come on! Diaga-tubes just look wacky! :) Okay,
  they're not that bad. But they do not look great. They're visually
  confusing, even if you can eek out a symmetry knowing that they simply
  flipped the middle head-lug. Hate to say it, because it really isn't
  that bad but they put me in mind of the Pontiac Aztek. I'm just
  sayin'. I wouldn't let it stop me from buying one, of course. My
  appreciation of its strength, whether or not it made a practical
  difference for me, easily overwhelms the aesthetics. And it's a bike
  that says 'I don't care if *you* like it; I do! to those who note its
  looks. Non-violent assertions of independence have intrinsic value.
  And of course, if the diaga-tube'd bike fit but the 'llel-a-tube
  almost fit... I'd definitely go diaga. But I have literally had
  compliments yelled at me half-a-dozen times by men and women who see
  my 'llel-a-tubed Hillborne. I have also been stopped by people who
  simply wanted to tell me they liked my bike and to chat about it.
  Where did you get it? What's the second tube for? I love the paint!
  Comments came from non-clubby bike folks *and* from mainstream I-don't-
  live-for-bikes people. It is a stunningly attractive object. I
  wouldn't expect such mainstream ad hoc looks love for a Diaga-pillar
  or Bomba-diag.

  Oh, and if you do go custom... get a two-tubed Atlantis-y thing
  instead of a Hunqa-y thing... Based on my Hillborne experiences,
  having *level* 'llel-a-tubes will probably get women's phone numbers
  thrown at you. Smokin'! Ummperhaps you shouldn't mention that to
  your wife... :)

  Yours,
  Thomas Lynn Skean
  P. S.
  Yes, I have now planted my feet decidedly on the 'llel-a-tube side of
  the line. Let's not get all Butter Battle Book over it, please. But
  snarky barbs a la Wilde or Clemens or Churchill... I love those!

  On Oct 28, 12:47 pm, Kelly tkslee...@gmail.com wrote:

   Ok I never fit in a Triumph TR6 or a Spitfire, or well that is a
   really long list.
   Now I find the perfect bike my AHH... 67cm but some thought I should
   go double top tube. I didn't as my test ride on a 65 cm was very tight
   even out of the saddle on hard acceration.

   I figured I would get my double top tube on the Hunqapillar to replace
   my tour bike.. not to be.. not a big enough bike not to mention they
   went to the diagnal tube instead of horizontal.. not sure I like the
   look.  What about you?  Is the diagonal really needed? Was the
   horizontal that had been used not a good design or is the

[RBW] Re: Just Thoughts

When I hear Triumph I think of motorcycle and the Spitfire was
arguably one of the most beautiful airplanes long before it was used
to name a four wheeled, land based vehicle.

dougP

On Oct 29, 10:46 am, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu
wrote:
 ...we can draw analogies from something other than car culture, can't we?

 This is America--what do you think?  B-)  

 (Car analogies are the Cadillac of analogies)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Upgrading from 9 to 8 speed

On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 07:18 -0700, Mike wrote:
 If one goes from 8 to 7 speed does the rear derailer set screw need to
 be adjusted or do the limits remain the same? I've been using a
 Sheldon Century Special 8 speed cassette on my Hilsen but have thought
 of going to 7 speed in the future, just sorta curious about set-up.

You'll need a spacer behind the cassette and you definitely will need to
adjust the limit screw, because the 7 speed cassette is not as wide as
the 8.  They increased the standard for OLN width to 130 when they went
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Re: [RBW] Re: Upgrading from 9 to 8 speed

On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 06:12 -0700, Ginz wrote:
 I'd use 7sp cassettes if the selection were a bit better and the
 quality a bit higher.  For now, I'm using 8sp...

The selection of 7 spd cassettes is every bit as good today as it was
when they first came out, except that pretty much the silver HG70s are
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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Thoughts

On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 15:51 -0700, doug peterson wrote:
 the Spitfire was arguably one of the most beautiful airplanes 

Not much argument about that assessment!



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[RBW] Re: Two posts on our site

2010-10-29 Thread reynoldslugs

Jim Hill's comments remind me, for some reason, of a quote they used
to hang on the wall in City Lights Bookstore, in SF:

People who say they love poetry and never buy any are a bunch of
cheap sons-of-bitches.

- attributed variously to Kenneth Patchen and Lawrence Ferlinghetti

Hope that doesn't offend anyone, it's offered in humor.  Anyway I
needed some new woolie stuff, so I ordered it.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Upgrading from 9 to 8 speed

Are the very cheap black ones as durable as the more expensive ones?

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
 On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 06:12 -0700, Ginz wrote:
 I'd use 7sp cassettes if the selection were a bit better and the
 quality a bit higher.  For now, I'm using 8sp...

 The selection of 7 spd cassettes is every bit as good today as it was
 when they first came out, except that pretty much the silver HG70s are
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Re: [RBW] Re: Upgrading from 9 to 8 speed

On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 17:03 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
 Are the very cheap black ones as durable as the more expensive ones?

I presume by very cheap you refer to the HG50s.  AFAIK they're very
bit as durable as the HG70s, except not as shiny and pretty looking.

Compared to 10-speed cassettes, all 7s could be called very cheap.



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[RBW] Re: Upgrading from 9 to 8 speed

Harris has a good selection of 7 speeds for around $30.  They mention
they are black  the silver finish is no longer available.  Not sure
if that has anything to do with quality.  Lots of them have a 13
smallest cog  the 14-32 is still available.

8 speed standards are also $30 but you'd have to buy 2 and put them
together to get a decent cassette like a 13-30 or 13-32.  Harris makes
their custom cassettes by doing just that and charging $60.

dougP

On Oct 29, 3:56 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
 On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 06:12 -0700, Ginz wrote:
  I'd use 7sp cassettes if the selection were a bit better and the
  quality a bit higher.  For now, I'm using 8sp...

 The selection of 7 spd cassettes is every bit as good today as it was
 when they first came out, except that pretty much the silver HG70s are
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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Thoughts

Perhaps not a bummer at all! $1250 suggests double-top-tube. Gives the OP a 
choice of a less pricey, slightly-shorter theoretical top tube length (though 
it isn't clear to me how much difference it would make).

If the original consideration was a Hunqapillar, then $1250 is less than that, 
let alone a Bombadil.

Obviously, Sam isn't a *close* substitute for either Hunqapillar or Bombadil... 
not as strong, less tire clearance... May not be what the OP seeks.

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean


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 A 64cm. Bombadil may fit you, it depends on how long you need your TT
 to be. The Bombadil is notable longer.
 
 BTW, the 64cm. Sam frame on the web site is $1250, not $1000. Bummer.
 Keven told me it had not been updated.
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Thoughts

But if he orders it today it's $200 off that!

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Thomas Lynn Skean
thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote:

Perhaps not a bummer at all! $1250 suggests double-top-tube. Gives the OP a
choice of a less pricey, slightly-shorter theoretical top tube length
(though it isn't clear to me how much difference it would make).

If the original consideration was a Hunqapillar, then $1250 is less than
that, let alone a Bombadil.

Obviously, Sam isn't a *close* substitute for either Hunqapillar or
Bombadil... not as strong, less tire clearance... May not be what the OP
seeks.

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

On Oct 29, 2010, at 4:33 PM, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote:

A 64cm. Bombadil may fit you, it depends on how long you need your TT
to be. The Bombadil is notable longer.

BTW, the 64cm. Sam frame on the web site is $1250, not $1000. Bummer.
Keven told me it had not been updated.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Thoughts

2010-10-29 Thread Seth Vidal

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 7:16 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
 But if he orders it today it's $200 off that!


I thought that was only for frames on the frame-specials page.

-sv

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[RBW] Re: Two posts on our site

2010-10-29 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery

My first bike shop job was at one of the larger shops in the area, and
the owner is/was a pretty hard-headed, sharp-elbowed businessman. I
remember one time hearing him telling an aspiring-but-procrastinating
customer I'm not operating a museum. That has stuck with me over the
years - in this business I can have nice bikes on display and offer
lots of good advice to anybody who comes through the door, but
merchandise has to be sold and cash has to flow in. Tire-kickers and
gawkers need to be subsidized by the people who buy stuff. Recently my
staff and I spent a couple hours with a customer, answering questions,
letting him ride different bikes, etc. On his third call, he started
asking about different handlebars, and I answered his questions based
on my experience. Ten minutes into the call he tells me he decided to
buy the bike, which I had in stock, from another place. I just
remembered, I'm not operating a museum (or, for that matter, a free
consulting business), and the remainder of the conversation was
incredibly brief. I am glad that I got off the phone quickly, because
I was somewhat angry about it...

On Oct 29, 6:02 pm, reynoldslugs be...@perrylaw.net wrote:
 Jim Hill's comments remind me, for some reason, of a quote they used
 to hang on the wall in City Lights Bookstore, in SF:

 People who say they love poetry and never buy any are a bunch of
 cheap sons-of-bitches.

 - attributed variously to Kenneth Patchen and Lawrence Ferlinghetti

 Hope that doesn't offend anyone, it's offered in humor.  Anyway I
 needed some new woolie stuff, so I ordered it.

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[RBW] Re: More on 7 speed...plus Bleriot finally finished

Jason:

I was having some weird, unintended shifting issues a while back and
someone on the list suggested looking at the RD pulleys.
Specifically, if your rear derailer is intended for indexing, the
upper pulley may be floating, i.e., have a lot of free play.  My
problem went away when I swapped the upper  lower pulleys.  This is
Shimano cassette  RD, with Suntour BarCon friction shifters.  If your
RD is fairly new, this is probably a long shot.

dougP

On Oct 29, 7:15 am, jandrews_nyc jasonaschwa...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi
 After reading with interest the previous post about going down in the
 number of sprockets from 9 to 8 to 7, I decided to post and share what
 I've been dealing with.
 First of all, I have a 8 speed Hillborne with Silver shifters built up
 by Riv that shifts perfectly...pretty much all the time.

 About 6 months ago, I purchased off this list a used Bleriot frameset
 and have slowly been building it up on a budget.  I'm finally done but
 am having some shifting issues.  By the way, this is the first bike I
 ever completely built up all the way from installing headset and BB to
 adjusting derailleurs, etc.  So it was a great learning experience.

 It's built up as an old man townie 14 speed with the VO wide range
 compact double cranksetthe one that's the TA ripoff.
 I used a budget Shimano 7 speed cassette with the appropriate 4.5mm
 spacer for the current Deore rear hub.
 I am using some vintage Suntour handlebar thumbshifters that I
 purchased NOS about 2 years ago and used on another bike..so they have
 plenty of life left in them.  The crankset is 46T / 30T and the 7
 speed cassette is 13-28.
 Initially I planned on using the Index setting for the shifters as
 they are 7 speed, but I could never get accurate shits.  I did speak
 to one mechanic who said Suntours of that era never shifted well and
 that's what brought them down.  I don't know if I believe that.
 So, since I normally ride friction, I've been content to do that.
 but...
 The bike slips out of gear often enough to make me think there is some
 problem.  Usually its in third largest cog on the cassette. and the
 second smallest.  I do have to do a decent amount of trimming when in
 the large chainring which is what I'm in 85% of the time.
 The little 30T front chainring is reserved for climbing.

 Also one more thing...The VO crank and the recommended 118 BB didn't
 work initially on the Bleriot.  The crankarms would hit the chainstays
 so I used another very long BB that I had.  It's 127.5!  I think the
 ideal BB spindle length for this combo would be 122-ish.
 I don't know if that is contributing to the shifting slipping, but it
 seems to inconsequential to me when I'm riding because that crankset
 is so low-Q to begin with.

 Any suggestions? I am thinking of maybe taking one more link out of
 the chain.

 Photos below:

 http://gallery.me.com/jasonaschwartz#100082

 Thanks,
 Jason

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Re: [RBW] Re: Two posts on our site

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 4:39 PM, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
 Contrary to popular belief, it is possible to wear out Schwalbe
 Marathons.  On my Atlantis, are rear will go around 6k miles, in a mix
 of loaded touring, some off roading  general riding.  I've never
 pushed one to the point of seeing what's under the tread but when the
 center of the chevron pattern is getting faint I think it's earned its
 keep.  A brand new pair of tires at the start of touring season is
 pretty good insurance against flats.

 BTW, Riv has stock again on the Marathon Supreme (my favorite).  I
 just got a pair of 40s, looking ahead to next year.  They seem to
 come'n'go, so I grabbed 'em while they had them.  Expensive? Sure.
 Worth it? Absolutely.

For a good compromise between rolling niceness and flat resistance,
what is the best Marathon tire? I've had Racers

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Re: [RBW] Re: Upgrading from 9 to 8 speed

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 5:11 PM, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
What are the best combos, 7 or 8, for a 15-17-20-22-26-34?

Patrick only partly in jest Moore


 8 speed standards are also $30 but you'd have to buy 2 and put them
 together to get a decent cassette like a 13-30 or 13-32.  Harris makes
 their custom cassettes by doing just that and charging $60.

 dougP

 On Oct 29, 3:56 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
 On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 06:12 -0700, Ginz wrote:
  I'd use 7sp cassettes if the selection were a bit better and the
  quality a bit higher.  For now, I'm using 8sp...

 The selection of 7 spd cassettes is every bit as good today as it was
 when they first came out, except that pretty much the silver HG70s are
 gone.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Upgrading from 9 to 8 speed

I don't know from 50s but I mean the black ones, like that 7 sp I
bought full lbs pop for about $30 including tax. Not only is mine not
shiny, it is that light-absorbing matt black (or perhaps ultra-midnite
brown, I'm a bit color blind) which is pretty or not as you prefer.

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
 On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 17:03 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
 Are the very cheap black ones as durable as the more expensive ones?

 I presume by very cheap you refer to the HG50s.  AFAIK they're very
 bit as durable as the HG70s, except not as shiny and pretty looking.

 Compared to 10-speed cassettes, all 7s could be called very cheap.



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[RBW] Re: More on 7 speed...plus Bleriot finally finished

2010-10-29 Thread newenglandbike

You might also check the alignment of the RD.Park has a tool
called the DAG for measuring alignment of the hanger (any decent bike
shop should have it). Very often you'll find that the hanger is
out of alignment, if only slightly, even on new bikes.Aligning it
not only helps with shifting problems, but you'll notice that the
drive-train is suddenly *real* quiet :)

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[RBW] Re: Two posts on our site

My only experience is with the Marathon Supreme.  They are certainly
flat resistant and long wearing.  I find them quite comfortable at 50
to 60 psi in 35 mm size with no load.  I'll bump up 10 psi for loaded
touring.  In over 2 years and at least 10k miles, I've had 2 flats:
one a fine wire, probably from a car or truck tire, and the other a
dreaded goat head in Northern Arizona last month.  Nothing's perfect.

dougP


 For a good compromise between rolling niceness and flat resistance,
 what is the best Marathon tire? I've had Racers

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Re: [RBW] Re: Two posts on our site

How do they roll?

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 5:49 PM, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
 My only experience is with the Marathon Supreme.  They are certainly
 flat resistant and long wearing.  I find them quite comfortable at 50
 to 60 psi in 35 mm size with no load.  I'll bump up 10 psi for loaded
 touring.  In over 2 years and at least 10k miles, I've had 2 flats:
 one a fine wire, probably from a car or truck tire, and the other a
 dreaded goat head in Northern Arizona last month.  Nothing's perfect.

 dougP


 For a good compromise between rolling niceness and flat resistance,
 what is the best Marathon tire? I've had Racers

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[RBW] Re: Two posts on our site

2010-10-29 Thread William

I notice that the SimpleOne is no longer on the frame specials page.
Somebody must've bitten on that offer!

I was going to go for a set of Duremes, for a conceptual Hunqafication
of my Hillborne.  They weren't in stock, so I stocked up on other
stuff.

If anybody wants an excuse to buy something that they won't regret
buyingNorwegian wool undies.  They are awesome.

On Oct 29, 10:46 am, John Bennett johnat...@gmail.com wrote:
 We've had a super slow week, and yesterday was the slowest day of all.

 Grant wrote this last night:

 http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/303

 Dave thought of this a little while ago:

 http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/304

 As Grant said, If you plan to buy something anyway and we have
 ithope to hear from you.

 Cheers,

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[RBW] Re: More on 7 speed...plus Bleriot finally finished

2010-10-29 Thread William

My buddy Doug bought a complete bike A.H.H. off the floor at Riv HQ.
His rear cassette had two problem gears that bugged him to
distraction.  I rode behind him on an S24O and it was obviously not
right.  He'd shift perfectly into the 3rd cog, and as soon as he put
some real pressure on the thing, it would pop out.  Only on two cogs.
I had an identically spaced and sized cassette on my tandem which I
dont ride often, so I put that on his bike.  It's been perfect ever
since.  The bad cassette was the cheapish SRAM level.  The one I
loaned him is the HG-90 level.

My recommendation is to get your hands on another cassette, any other
cassette, and confirm that your experience changes.  If it does, then
figure out what to do about it.  Your pictures look like it's the
black metal shimano cassette which is not Japanese and is not the best
material, in my experience.

A hanger misalignment or pulley float should not consistently be
symptomatic only in the middle of the cassette or only on particular
cogs.

On Oct 29, 4:38 pm, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote:
 You might also check the alignment of the RD.    Park has a tool
 called the DAG for measuring alignment of the hanger (any decent bike
 shop should have it).     Very often you'll find that the hanger is
 out of alignment, if only slightly, even on new bikes.    Aligning it
 not only helps with shifting problems, but you'll notice that the
 drive-train is suddenly *real* quiet :)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Thoughts

2010-10-29 Thread James Warren


...and can contributors  stop using the character e in the posts that discuss 
good things about our Rivendell contraptions?

:  )   ;  )   :  )

-Jim W.



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Re: [RBW] Re: More on 7 speed...plus Bleriot finally finished

2010-10-29 Thread Bruce

one other note which may bear here: friction shifters will jump cogs (in the 
direction of spring tension - normal to the smaller gears, rapid rise the 
reverse) if the tension in the shifter lever screw is too loose. It bears 
checking when you eyeball your chain. When my Saluki started to mystery shift 
from any big gear down to a middle one, I knew right away what the culprit was.

On the 7  8 speed thread: With a freewheel, I can swap any number of gears 
that 
will fit and of course, need no spacer. I have a 6 and a 7 speed currently in 
use. Like them both.






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To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, October 29, 2010 7:07:15 PM
Subject: [RBW] Re: More on 7 speed...plus Bleriot finally finished

My buddy Doug bought a complete bike A.H.H. off the floor at Riv HQ.
His rear cassette had two problem gears that bugged him to
distraction.  I rode behind him on an S24O and it was obviously not
right.  He'd shift perfectly into the 3rd cog, and as soon as he put
some real pressure on the thing, it would pop out.  Only on two cogs.


  

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[RBW] Re: Two posts on our site

2010-10-29 Thread tdusky

I once wore most of the rubber off of a Ruffy Tuffy. It started it's
life on the front and moved to the back. As Ann stated if you have
fenders you don't look at your tires. I happened to turn my bike over
and was shocked to see the rubber worn away down to the casing, in a
number of spots. So I would think the average customer that Grant has
wears out their tires more, because many of them use fenders.

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[RBW] Re: Two posts on our site

2010-10-29 Thread EricP

My good deed was buying stuff from both Rivendell (clothing) and
Hiawatha (studded tires and an Everything cage) today.  No new frame.
But I'm on a self-imposed bike buying hiatus.  Otherwise, the
Hillborne might go to make way for a Pugsley or some such.

As to tires, totally agree with Grant about the Touring II.  Before
switching to mountain bike about 1984, had a road bike that had those
tires.  Went through at least two tires a year.  Probably four.

With respect to modern tires, have worn out some Paselas.  But the
sidewall was going at about the same time the tread was.  Then again,
I was heavier at the time and the extra weight definitely played a
part in wear.  This year wore out a WTB Vulpine 29er tire in about
1,000 miles.  Or at least to the point where it felt prudent to
replace.  Who knows.  Meybe good for a couple thousand more if I work
at it.  Instead, it's a spare.

The Marathon Supremes on the Hillborne will soon end their second
season and still look good.  Well over 3,000 miles.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Oct 29, 7:45 pm, tdusky tdu...@comcast.net wrote:
 I once wore most of the rubber off of a Ruffy Tuffy. It started it's
 life on the front and moved to the back. As Ann stated if you have
 fenders you don't look at your tires. I happened to turn my bike over
 and was shocked to see the rubber worn away down to the casing, in a
 number of spots. So I would think the average customer that Grant has
 wears out their tires more, because many of them use fenders.

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[RBW] Re: 1950 rough stuff race

Well, it looked pretty flat and the water crossings  general abuse
the bikes were put to would be hard on derailers.  Looked like even
the pastures were pretty tough going and the few road sections full of
holes.  Maybe a hub shifter would be appropriate.  Of course, if
you're gonna toss your bike in the drink, less is better.  Definitely
not recommended for a Brooks saddle.

Despite our recent rains, So Cal doesn't have enough water to create
conditions such as these.  Don't worry about having to toss your bike
across a river or encountering any deep mud.  Rocks we got; mud is in
short supply.

dougP

On Oct 29, 12:17 pm, Patrick in VT swing4...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Oct 29, 2:25 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

  Second observation: gearing: this sort of course seems like a good
  candidate for a ss: say 60 to 65; I used to use 63 for allrounder
  dirt-cum-pavement. I don't see anyone twiddling and a sub 65 gear is
  low enough to get you through surprisingly deep muck (I used it on
  sand here in dry ABQ) yet high enough that you don't spin your eyes
  out on the rare flat-'n'-smooths.

  What do y'all think?

 for the die-hard cx ss'ers, any course is a good candidate for a
 single gear!  2:1 is a good starting point - I see lots of 39x18 or
 34x17 out there (in the ss category, of course - ss'ers aren't really
 competitive in the elite or even cat 3 fields), and that seems
 reasonable for most New England courses I race.  CX is hard.  SSCX is
 really hard - those who do it tend to rock.

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[RBW] Re: Just Thoughts

It's hard to spell Rivendell without the e.  So the answer is
no.  :)  :)  :)

dougP

On Oct 29, 5:18 pm, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote:
 ...and can contributors  stop using the character e in the posts that 
 discuss good things about our Rivendell contraptions?

 :  )       ;  )       :  )

 -Jim W.

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[RBW] Re: Two posts on our site

On Oct 29, 4:53 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 How do they roll?

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I'm not sure how to answer that question.  If you mean pedaling
effort, they seem pretty similar to the other tires I've used on my
Atlantis (Panaracer Pasela  T-Serve).  My flat land riding gears are
in the 60s  70s; I can't push +80 without a tailwind or gravity
assist.

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1950 rough stuff race

 On Oct 29, 12:17 pm, Patrick in VT swing4...@gmail.com wrote:
 (in the ss category, of course - ss'ers aren't really
 competitive in the elite or even cat 3 fields),

Is this because of the type of course, or overall? Wouldn't a single
63 gear be quite competitive on a course like that shown in the
video, with few fast flats and a lot of throwing, carrying and mud
path grinding? I'm curious if a gear spread would be much of an
advantage on such a course -- didn't see much shifting in the video
(tho' of course they had far less to shift than we do today). Even a
half mile paved section could be covered at 25 mph at 135 rpm in a 63
gear; would someone with a gear spread be able to make huge amounts of
time over this on such a short flat?

Not doubting, just asking. And I know nothing about CX except that
it's done largely on dirt and that you need a huge kit for it.

(http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/10/news/what-to-bring-to-a-cyclocross-race_144694?utm_source=twitterfeedutm_medium=twitter)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Two posts on our site

Thanks. So they are not dogs. Flat resistant, mega wear and
non-dogginess, if not spriteliness -- worth a closer look in case I
come up with some extra change for Riv-helping purchases.

FWIW, the cheapish Specialized Hemisphere 38s that I now have on the
Fargo's 2nd wheelset roll at ~40/50 as well as the 60mm+ Big Apples at
say 16/20 and possibly climb a bit better  thanks to considerably
lower rim and tire and tube weights, but they are not worth the hassle
and expense of a second wheelset and tireset. Perhaps the Marathons
are.

(I compare the two via the computer readout at ordinary cruising
efforts in the same -- 67 -- gear on known, flat, paved surfaces,
computer calibrated properly for each -- 17-18 is normal absent
significant headwind.)

Anyone else to chime in on the Marathons 38s/40s?

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 8:22 PM, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
 On Oct 29, 4:53 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 How do they roll?

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 I'm not sure how to answer that question.  If you mean pedaling
 effort, they seem pretty similar to the other tires I've used on my
 Atlantis (Panaracer Pasela  T-Serve).  My flat land riding gears are
 in the 60s  70s; I can't push +80 without a tailwind or gravity
 assist.

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[RBW] WTB: 61cm - 64cm Rivendell

2010-10-29 Thread rw1911

Feeler for a 61-64 Rivendell. In accordance with Riv sizing, I'm 6'2
and my PBH is 89-90cm. Rom, Ram, AH Hilsen, custom, possibly an
Atlantis. LMK what you have and price.  Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Upgrading from 9 to 8 speed

2010-10-29 Thread Fai Mao

If you look around on the Net you can find some Falcone 7 and 8 speed
freewheels that are silver.
I have a couple of them and they are, surpirisingly good quality. They
evidently only export the cheaper stuff to N. America for Huffy but
mine has HG type shifting ramps and a nice chrome plate on the cogs.

I  have a 13-28 in both a 7 speed and 8 speed freewheel. They do use a
strange remover tool but that is available. The common splined one
almost works but will strip the splines if it is tight on the wheel

On Oct 30, 7:35 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 I don't know from 50s but I mean the black ones, like that 7 sp I
 bought full lbs pop for about $30 including tax. Not only is mine not
 shiny, it is that light-absorbing matt black (or perhaps ultra-midnite
 brown, I'm a bit color blind) which is pretty or not as you prefer.





 On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
  On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 17:03 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
  Are the very cheap black ones as durable as the more expensive ones?

  I presume by very cheap you refer to the HG50s.  AFAIK they're very
  bit as durable as the HG70s, except not as shiny and pretty looking.

  Compared to 10-speed cassettes, all 7s could be called very cheap.

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[RBW] Re: Upgrading from 9 to 8 speed

2010-10-29 Thread charlie

Ditto..I managed to get a really nice SRAM 7 speed cassette 12-32
for under $30. Just shop Amazon and you can find them easy enough. I
wanted a 13-30 and could have purchased one but the SRAM is a nice
shiny silver. I don't think there is much difference in quality. They
are just steel cogs that fit on a splined shaft with a lock ring, all
the bearings are on the hub. For a different bike I purchased a
Shimano for $40 from my local bike shop (12-28) in black and the
quality seemed great.

On Oct 29, 4:35 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 I don't know from 50s but I mean the black ones, like that 7 sp I
 bought full lbs pop for about $30 including tax. Not only is mine not
 shiny, it is that light-absorbing matt black (or perhaps ultra-midnite
 brown, I'm a bit color blind) which is pretty or not as you prefer.



 On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
  On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 17:03 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
  Are the very cheap black ones as durable as the more expensive ones?

  I presume by very cheap you refer to the HG50s.  AFAIK they're very
  bit as durable as the HG70s, except not as shiny and pretty looking.

  Compared to 10-speed cassettes, all 7s could be called very cheap.

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[RBW] Re: 1950 rough stuff race

Patrick:

Thanks for the links.  I rarely check BSNYC but these are pretty
funny.  Fortunately, our little November 13 adventure in Silverado Cyn
won't require anything like this level of complexity.  No stoves, warm-
up equipment or special skin treatments needed.  I'd better take a
cruise out there to make sure the appropriate post-ride liquids are
available.

dougP

On Oct 29, 7:22 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Oct 29, 12:17 pm, Patrick in VT swing4...@gmail.com wrote:
  (in the ss category, of course - ss'ers aren't really
  competitive in the elite or even cat 3 fields),

 Is this because of the type of course, or overall? Wouldn't a single
 63 gear be quite competitive on a course like that shown in the
 video, with few fast flats and a lot of throwing, carrying and mud
 path grinding? I'm curious if a gear spread would be much of an
 advantage on such a course -- didn't see much shifting in the video
 (tho' of course they had far less to shift than we do today). Even a
 half mile paved section could be covered at 25 mph at 135 rpm in a 63
 gear; would someone with a gear spread be able to make huge amounts of
 time over this on such a short flat?

 Not doubting, just asking. And I know nothing about CX except that
 it's done largely on dirt and that you need a huge kit for it.

 (http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/10/news/what-to-bring-to-a-cycloc...)

 Courtesy of 
 youknowwho:http://bikesnobnyc.blogspot.com/2010/10/spending-power-whos-1.html)

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1950 rough stuff race

I just purchased a Platypus as word on the street is we'll need lots of
water.

As for the video, I noticed several derailer-less bikes. Whether they were
fixed, SS or IGH, I don't know, but am guessing SS. You can try to guess
what ratios they were running (if SS). And it depends on what kind of road
sections they didn't show. I would guess they shot most of the film at the
water crossings and barriers rather than the straight away roads.

The guy doing the voiceover is pretty cool. Some 40 years after the fact,
he remembers everyone's name, what they placed, what their day jobs were.
Pretty cool guy!

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 8:14 PM, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote:

Patrick:

Thanks for the links. I rarely check BSNYC but these are pretty
funny. Fortunately, our little November 13 adventure in Silverado Cyn
won't require anything like this level of complexity. No stoves, warm-
up equipment or special skin treatments needed. I'd better take a
cruise out there to make sure the appropriate post-ride liquids are
available.

dougP

On Oct 29, 7:22 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
On Oct 29, 12:17 pm, Patrick in VT swing4...@gmail.com wrote:
(in the ss category, of course - ss'ers aren't really
competitive in the elite or even cat 3 fields),

Is this because of the type of course, or overall? Wouldn't a single
63 gear be quite competitive on a course like that shown in the
video, with few fast flats and a lot of throwing, carrying and mud
path grinding? I'm curious if a gear spread would be much of an
advantage on such a course -- didn't see much shifting in the video
(tho' of course they had far less to shift than we do today). Even a
half mile paved section could be covered at 25 mph at 135 rpm in a 63
gear; would someone with a gear spread be able to make huge amounts of
time over this on such a short flat?

Not doubting, just asking. And I know nothing about CX except that
it's done largely on dirt and that you need a huge kit for it.

(http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/10/news/what-to-bring-to-a-cycloc..
.)

Courtesy of youknowwho:
http://bikesnobnyc.blogspot.com/2010/10/spending-power-whos-1.html)

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[RBW] Re: 1950 rough stuff race

There was at least one fixed gear that I noticed. The guy was pushing
the bike thru some boggy looking stuff the pedals were turning. Of
course, if he tossed it into the drink, got some mud in the FW, it may
have started the day SS was now fixed! You're right; hard to know
what the total course looked like from the film. Only the fun bits
(water crossings, etc) would be interesting to film.

David: What's a Platypus? My Atlantis has 3 cages I've never run
out of water, even in Utah Arizona. We're riding in Orange County,
not Africa or Australia. And the beauty is, if you conk out, it's all
downhill (really, truly, no BS, cross my heart, etc.) back to the
start.

dougP

On Oct 29, 8:47 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
I just purchased a Platypus as word on the street is we'll need lots of
water.

The guy doing the voiceover is pretty cool. Some 40 years after the fact,
he remembers everyone's name, what they placed, what their day jobs were.
Pretty cool guy!

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 8:14 PM, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
Patrick:

dougP

Not doubting, just asking. And I know nothing about CX except that
it's done largely on dirt and that you need a huge kit for it.

(http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/10/news/what-to-bring-to-a-cycloc..
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Re: [RBW] Re: 1950 rough stuff race

I think Noel suggested bringing extra water along, and someone else (Mike?)
said these work pretty good in a saddle bag:
http://www.rei.com/product/797977

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 9:01 PM, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote:

dougP

On Oct 29, 8:47 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
I just purchased a Platypus as word on the street is we'll need lots of
water.

As for the video, I noticed several derailer-less bikes. Whether they
were
fixed, SS or IGH, I don't know, but am guessing SS. You can try to guess
what ratios they were running (if SS). And it depends on what kind of
road
sections they didn't show. I would guess they shot most of the film at
the
water crossings and barriers rather than the straight away roads.

The guy doing the voiceover is pretty cool. Some 40 years after the
fact,
he remembers everyone's name, what they placed, what their day jobs were.
Pretty cool guy!

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 8:14 PM, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net
wrote:
Patrick:

dougP

Is this because of the type of course, or overall? Wouldn't a single
63 gear be quite competitive on a course like that shown in the
video, with few fast flats and a lot of throwing, carrying and mud
path grinding? I'm curious if a gear spread would be much of an
advantage on such a course -- didn't see much shifting in the video
(tho' of course they had far less to shift than we do today). Even a
half mile paved section could be covered at 25 mph at 135 rpm in a
63
gear; would someone with a gear spread be able to make huge amounts
of
time over this on such a short flat?

Not doubting, just asking. And I know nothing about CX except that
it's done largely on dirt and that you need a huge kit for it.

(
http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/10/news/what-to-bring-to-a-cycloc..
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Courtesy of youknowwho:
http://bikesnobnyc.blogspot.com/2010/10/spending-power-whos-1.html)

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1950 rough stuff race

Since my gofast has, alas, provision for only one bottle cage (and I
don't want to use a strap one one), I simply use a discarded PET soda
or paid-for-water bottle in my saddlebag or jersey pocket -- won't
leak, convenient shape and sizes, and you can discard (properly) when
you are done. When it is 100F and 5% humidity, I can drink a lot even
in 20 miles.

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 10:10 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
I think Noel suggested bringing extra water along, and someone else (Mike?)
said these work pretty good in a saddle bag:
http://www.rei.com/product/797977

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 9:01 PM, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote:

dougP

On Oct 29, 8:47 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
I just purchased a Platypus as word on the street is we'll need lots of
water.

As for the video, I noticed several derailer-less bikes. Whether they
were
fixed, SS or IGH, I don't know, but am guessing SS. You can try to
guess
what ratios they were running (if SS). And it depends on what kind of
road
sections they didn't show. I would guess they shot most of the film at
the
water crossings and barriers rather than the straight away roads.

The guy doing the voiceover is pretty cool. Some 40 years after the
fact,
he remembers everyone's name, what they placed, what their day jobs
were.
Pretty cool guy!

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 8:14 PM, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net
wrote:
Patrick:

Thanks for the links. I rarely check BSNYC but these are pretty
funny. Fortunately, our little November 13 adventure in Silverado Cyn
won't require anything like this level of complexity. No stoves,
warm-
up equipment or special skin treatments needed. I'd better take a
cruise out there to make sure the appropriate post-ride liquids are
available.

dougP

Is this because of the type of course, or overall? Wouldn't a single
63 gear be quite competitive on a course like that shown in the
video, with few fast flats and a lot of throwing, carrying and mud
path grinding? I'm curious if a gear spread would be much of an
advantage on such a course -- didn't see much shifting in the video
(tho' of course they had far less to shift than we do today). Even a
half mile paved section could be covered at 25 mph at 135 rpm in a
63
gear; would someone with a gear spread be able to make huge amounts
of
time over this on such a short flat?

Not doubting, just asking. And I know nothing about CX except that
it's done largely on dirt and that you need a huge kit for it.

(http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/10/news/what-to-bring-to-a-cycloc..
.)

Courtesy of youknowwho:
http://bikesnobnyc.blogspot.com/2010/10/spending-power-whos-1.html)

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