Re: [RBW] Shimano bar-end shifters & Albatross bars for commuting

[Joe Bernard]

To clarify, I think you would like indexed bar-ends, and I've had no 
problem with 8-speed index shifters on a 7-speed cassette. Technically 
there may be a very small difference in spacing between 7- and 8-speed 
cogsets, but in practice it wasn't noticeable once the shifting was dialed 
so that the derailer pulleys were perfectly centered under the 4th (middle) 
position.
 

On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 7:56:28 PM UTC-7, WETH wrote:

> Dear Shoji and Joe, thanks for the response.  I have a bike with stem 
> mounted shifters (friction) that I ride on the weekends.  I have commuted 
> with it, but I did not like the uncertainty of which gear I dropped into 
> nor the time I had to spend  with only one hand on the bar while navigating 
> busy urban roads.  That in part could be solved by practice, but I am 
> fairly set in my commuting ways.  I do however enjoy friction shifting on 
> my weekend rides.  In response to another thread on bags, someone said (Jim 
> from Hiawatha Cyclcery maybe?) paraphrasing here: fit, utility, looks- pick 
> any two and be happy.  Since the grip shifters function and fit how I ride 
> when commuting, I suppose I should leave them.  I can  adjust more quickly 
> to the new twisting motion on the grip shifts better than I could adjust to 
> friction shifting.  It's just those bar-end shifters look so nice!
> Thanks for allowing me to think this through.
> Erl

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[RBW] Re: Another day, another ride.

[hsmitham]

Looks like another nice ride. Thanks for the report.

Best,

Hugh
Sunland, CA

On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 8:36:39 PM UTC-7, Mike wrote:
>
> I left my house this morning with the intention of dropping off some 
> library books then rambling through Forest Park, getting some coffee and 
> then maybe pedaling home back through Forest Park. After I dropped off the 
> library books I found myself pedaling east. It seemed like today we got 
> yesterday's forecast of sun, clouds and warm temps (low 60s). As I was 
> heading out the Marine Dr bike path I kept thinking about routes--Multnomah 
> Falls again? Crown Point? Louden? Loop around to the Springwater Corridor? 
> I'm not sure what happened but soon enough I was back on the Old Columbia 
> Hwy and found myself taking the right turn that would lead me to Bull 
> Run/Gordon Creek, a fairly quiet and hilly road that follows the Sandy 
> River. Lots of climbing with some fast descents, nice weather, no dogs and 
> very little traffic made for a nice ride in spite of feeling a bit tired. 
> No gravel today or exploration down new roads. I'm glad I got out and took 
> advantage of the nice weather and got out for long ride. I'm not sure of 
> the mileage, I think it might be in the 75 mile range. 
>
> Here's some photos:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/sets/72157633104506447/with/8597133868/
>
> This one is for Manny:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/8597133868/in/set-72157633104506447
>
> --mike
>

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[RBW] Another day, another ride.

[Mike]

I left my house this morning with the intention of dropping off some 
library books then rambling through Forest Park, getting some coffee and 
then maybe pedaling home back through Forest Park. After I dropped off the 
library books I found myself pedaling east. It seemed like today we got 
yesterday's forecast of sun, clouds and warm temps (low 60s). As I was 
heading out the Marine Dr bike path I kept thinking about routes--Multnomah 
Falls again? Crown Point? Louden? Loop around to the Springwater Corridor? 
I'm not sure what happened but soon enough I was back on the Old Columbia 
Hwy and found myself taking the right turn that would lead me to Bull 
Run/Gordon Creek, a fairly quiet and hilly road that follows the Sandy 
River. Lots of climbing with some fast descents, nice weather, no dogs and 
very little traffic made for a nice ride in spite of feeling a bit tired. 
No gravel today or exploration down new roads. I'm glad I got out and took 
advantage of the nice weather and got out for long ride. I'm not sure of 
the mileage, I think it might be in the 75 mile range. 

Here's some photos:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/sets/72157633104506447/with/8597133868/

This one is for Manny:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/8597133868/in/set-72157633104506447

--mike

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Re: [RBW] Re: This week's adventure.

[hsmitham]

Mike,

I see a bunch or roads from Acton to Mill Creek summit and Mt Gleason rd up 
and over Mount Gleason but don't see a North Fork? I see a Moody Truck 
Trail back to Soledad Sands Park. Is that the the route your referring to?

Hugh
Sunland, CA

On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 1:23:00 PM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote:
>
> I rode from the Acton Metrolink station over Mill Creek Summit. We were on 
> 23-25mm tires so no dirt on that ride.
>  I've always wanted to ride from Acton ML up Mill Creek Summit, over 
> Gleason and down thru North Fork back to Newhall Metrolink. Lots of dirt 
> over Gleason and down.
>
> ~mike 
>
> On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 9:54:11 AM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> @ Mike, on the BigT to Clear creek Angeles Crest ride did you find any 
>> dirt to ride.
>>
>> Hugh
>> Sunland, CA 
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 11:57:39 PM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote:
>>>
>>> I've ridden Angeles Forest to Upper Big Tujunga to Angeles Crest.  Great 
>>> ride and beautiful in Winter.  
>>>
>>> ~mike
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 11:13:52 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'd like to do that one of these days. My decommissioned highway is old 
 38 to Angelus Oaks. Rode it Sunday and again today (with PDX guests in 
 tow!). Same basic idea though. Good times on two wheels!


 On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 10:58 PM, Andy Smitty Schmidt <54c...@gmail.com
 > wrote:

> Not sure the current condition... but sometimes they close a chunk of 
> the Angeles Crest Hwy in 
> winter. 
> I've hiked it when it's closed... makes for a cool adventure. You'd have 
> to 
> carry the bike over some snowy stretches, but there'd be a lot of dry 
> pavement all to yourself. Also the closed section of Hwy 39 that connects 
> with the Angeles Crest Hwy is lonely. 
>
> --Smitty
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 9:32:29 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>
>> Mike,
>>
>> Another great ride report! Makes me want to load the car up and road 
>> trip it North. How many miles did you ride?
>>
>> Hugh
>>
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[RBW] Imperial vs. B17 for upright riding. Which has more cush?

[Michael]

I know about the cutout and why it is there.
But more wondering if cushier on the sit bones, too. Wondering if it gives 
more than a B17. Especially for more upright riding
 

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Re: [RBW] Shimano bar-end shifters & Albatross bars for commuting

[WETH]

Dear Shoji and Joe, thanks for the response.  I have a bike with stem mounted 
shifters (friction) that I ride on the weekends.  I have commuted with it, but 
I did not like the uncertainty of which gear I dropped into nor the time I had 
to spend  with only one hand on the bar while navigating busy urban roads.  
That in part could be solved by practice, but I am fairly set in my commuting 
ways.  I do however enjoy friction shifting on my weekend rides.  In response 
to another thread on bags, someone said (Jim from Hiawatha Cyclcery maybe?) 
paraphrasing here: fit, utility, looks- pick any two and be happy.  Since the 
grip shifters function and fit how I ride when commuting, I suppose I should 
leave them.  I can  adjust more quickly to the new twisting motion on the grip 
shifts better than I could adjust to friction shifting.  It's just those 
bar-end shifters look so nice!
Thanks for allowing me to think this through.
Erl

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Re: [RBW] Re: Question 27" wheel conversion to 700c wheels and maybe to 650b

[Kainalu]

Yeah, I was exaggerating.  
My point was gatorskins=bad, schwalbes=good

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Re: [RBW] Shimano bar-end shifters & Albatross bars for commuting

[Steve Palincsar]

On Wed, 2013-03-27 at 17:45 -0700, WETH wrote:
> Ryan and Steve, thank you for your responses.

> Steve, the bike takes a tumble on a monthly basis (I am a teacher and
> park my bike in the classroom; at home the dogs and children manage to
> knock it over regularly).  

In my experience, that's more likely to damage a handlebar than to
damage Shimano bar end shifters.  It can, however, break one of the
Silver/Sun Tour Sprint shifters; happened to me.

> In regard to index shifting on a 6 and 7, here is the product write up
> from the rivendell site:"Shimano's best bar-end shifters,the
> Dura-Ace's are indexable only with 9-speed cassettes; the Ultegras
> index good enough with 6, 7, or 8 speed cassettes and both work with a
> friction mode, tooso if the "good enough" isn't good enough, throw
> it into friction, cowboy, and ride away. "

Grant's idea of "good enough" isn't mine, I'm afraid.



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Re: [RBW] Shimano bar-end shifters & Albatross bars for commuting

[Joe Bernard]

I've indexed 8-speed bar-ends with 7-speed cassttes easy peasy, but agree 
with Shoji that Silver Power Ratchets are the bee's knees for rifling up 
and down a 7-speed. You never quite know which cog you're going to stop at, 
but you almost always land right square on a good one. Try it for a while, 
then go back to indexing. You'll be surprised how clunky and archaic it 
will feel. In my opinion, of course...

On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 6:20:14 PM UTC-7, Shoji Takahashi wrote:

> Hey Erl,
> If you're comfortable with friction (from your downtube shifting days), 
> then you may want to go with friction for bar ends. You won't have to worry 
> about setting up indexing, which could mean a little more tweaking to make 
> it index properly. Also, you won't have to worry about getting compatible 
> parts for indexing. You may even like it better than click-click-clicking.
>
> Good luck, sho
>
> On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 8:45:54 PM UTC-4, WETH wrote:
>>
>> Ryan and Steve, thank you for your responses.
>> Steve, the bike takes a tumble on a monthly basis (I am a teacher and 
>> park my bike in the classroom; at home the dogs and children manage to 
>> knock it over regularly).  In regard to index shifting on a 6 and 7, here 
>> is the product write up from the rivendell site:"Shimano's best bar-end 
>> shifters,the Dura-Ace's are indexable only with 9-speed cassettes; the 
>> Ultegras index good enough with 6, 7, or 8 speed cassettes and both work 
>> with a friction mode, tooso if the "good enough" isn't good enough, 
>> throw it into friction, cowboy, and ride away. "
>>  I will definitely have to make sure they are compatable with my 7 speed 
>> cassette.  Thanks again for taking the time to respond.
>> Safe cycling,
>> Erl
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Another All Rounder on the Bay.

[hsmitham]

Joe,

If such a color schemed All Rounder comes up you have exclusive dibs on 
that deal ;)

Hugh
Sunland, CA

On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 7:03:52 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Most Rivs get repainted by a known Riv-painter, and hue close to Grant's 
> guidelines for what a Rivendell should look like. I don't think that type 
> of respray devalues them, especially if it's a Joe Bell job. Now if you see 
> a neon pink/orange/red fade, all bets are off ;)
>
> On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 6:14:23 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>
>> Brad,
>>
>> First really good looking bike and I like your set up. I don't typically 
>> like yellow cause its so bright but yours at least in the picture and 
>> viewed on my laptop display looks like a muted yellow which looks awesome! 
>> I appreciate the confirmation of the original decals.
>>
>> As far as the valuation on a repaint? I suppose it depends on who is 
>> buying it and whether they care, or the pool of die hard Riv purest (The 
>> reason I posed the question and you answered that) who would possibly 
>> de-value 
>> such a deviation from its original format. As you said it's a bike and 
>> meant to be ridden I tend to err on the notion that a few nicks are and 
>> it's function foremost IMO which seems the case with the AR. I do like a 
>> fresh paint job and new decals. 
>>
>> In the future when I have the financial capabilities I'll probably look 
>> for one in my size.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Hugh
>> Sunland, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 4:46:40 PM UTC-7, jinxed wrote:
>>>
>>> Hugh,
>>>
>>> Indeed, my 96 AR has a "speared" Rivendell and no decals on the seat 
>>> tube aside from the Reynolds tubing designation. Actually it's pretty plain.
>>>
>>> Here's a snap of the bare 
>>> frame
>>>
>>> Interesting question you raise regarding possible "de-valuing" of a 
>>> frame by repainting it as I am considering doing just that. I dont like 
>>> yellow AT ALL but must admit some nagging guilt about removing an original 
>>> paintjob and more so the DT logo. That said, this frame will always be the 
>>> 51st Rivendell regardless of color. There was some lively discussion 
>>> regarding the repaint the very first Rivendell All Rounder from it's mythic 
>>> pumpkin hue to a black and royal blue scheme before being sold. Although it 
>>> was a striking combination and expensive paintjob, the 
>>> general consensus was that it had lost value of monetary AND historical 
>>> sense. It was THE bike that brought much love and admiration to the brand 
>>> and was widely championed. I have two favorite Rivendells of all time and 
>>> it was one of them. In the end though, it's just paint and riding the bike 
>>> is what's important.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 10:51:41 AM UTC-6, hsmitham wrote:

 @Joe, Curious AntBikeMike claims original lugs and Head badge, but 
 later decals? So then you believe the frame was painted at what point 
 based 
 on the decals? Would a repaint de-value the Frame and fork? You said 
 earlier that the Original AR didn't have a seat tube decal? Does anyone 
 have a example of an original AR (pics?)  you mentioned a yellow one. For 
 me this is an academic pursuit in Rivendell lore and valuation since thank 
 God it's not my size!

 Hugh
 Sunland, CA



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[RBW] Re: Another All Rounder on the Bay.

[Joe Bernard]

Most Rivs get repainted by a known Riv-painter, and hue close to Grant's 
guidelines for what a Rivendell should look like. I don't think that type 
of respray devalues them, especially if it's a Joe Bell job. Now if you see 
a neon pink/orange/red fade, all bets are off ;)

On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 6:14:23 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

> Brad,
>
> First really good looking bike and I like your set up. I don't typically 
> like yellow cause its so bright but yours at least in the picture and 
> viewed on my laptop display looks like a muted yellow which looks awesome! 
> I appreciate the confirmation of the original decals.
>
> As far as the valuation on a repaint? I suppose it depends on who is 
> buying it and whether they care, or the pool of die hard Riv purest (The 
> reason I posed the question and you answered that) who would possibly 
> de-value 
> such a deviation from its original format. As you said it's a bike and 
> meant to be ridden I tend to err on the notion that a few nicks are and 
> it's function foremost IMO which seems the case with the AR. I do like a 
> fresh paint job and new decals. 
>
> In the future when I have the financial capabilities I'll probably look 
> for one in my size.
>
> Best,
>
> Hugh
> Sunland, CA
>
> On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 4:46:40 PM UTC-7, jinxed wrote:
>>
>> Hugh,
>>
>> Indeed, my 96 AR has a "speared" Rivendell and no decals on the seat tube 
>> aside from the Reynolds tubing designation. Actually it's pretty plain.
>>
>> Here's a snap of the bare 
>> frame
>>
>> Interesting question you raise regarding possible "de-valuing" of a frame 
>> by repainting it as I am considering doing just that. I dont like yellow AT 
>> ALL but must admit some nagging guilt about removing an original paintjob 
>> and more so the DT logo. That said, this frame will always be the 51st 
>> Rivendell regardless of color. There was some lively discussion regarding 
>> the repaint the very first Rivendell All Rounder from it's mythic pumpkin 
>> hue to a black and royal blue scheme before being sold. Although it was a 
>> striking combination and expensive paintjob, the general consensus was that 
>> it had lost value of monetary AND historical sense. It was THE bike that 
>> brought much love and admiration to the brand and was widely championed. I 
>> have two favorite Rivendells of all time and it was one of them. In the end 
>> though, it's just paint and riding the bike is what's important.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 10:51:41 AM UTC-6, hsmitham wrote:
>>>
>>> @Joe, Curious AntBikeMike claims original lugs and Head badge, but later 
>>> decals? So then you believe the frame was painted at what point based on 
>>> the decals? Would a repaint de-value the Frame and fork? You said earlier 
>>> that the Original AR didn't have a seat tube decal? Does anyone have a 
>>> example of an original AR (pics?)  you mentioned a yellow one. For me this 
>>> is an academic pursuit in Rivendell lore and valuation since thank God it's 
>>> not my size!
>>>
>>> Hugh
>>> Sunland, CA
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Handlebar

[Shoji Takahashi]

Grant wrote a short piece in an earlier RR about TC factor-- "TC" for 
tilt-control. My mind's paraphrase (which could be entirely 
misrepresentative of GP's view), is that wider Q-factor is countered by 
wider tilt-control, i.e., handlebar width. It's a leverage thing.

There's a lot of personal preference in bikes. Try to find what you like-- 
it keeps the shops in business and Nitto bending metal!



On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 5:42:35 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> On Wed, 2013-03-27 at 12:01 -0700, René Sterental wrote: 
> >   I also read somewhere in Jan's blog or magazine that narrower drop 
> > bars work better with low trail forks whereas wider bars are better 
> > for higher trail geometries. 
>
> Jan has pointed out that bar width changed over time, in relation to 
> changes in steering geometry.  As tires narrowed and trail increased, 
> bars got wider.  He has also been very clear about his preference for 
> narrower bars with low trail bikes. 
>
> Depending on your definition of "narrow" that may or may not be the case 
> for other riders.  I like 44 cm bars with my low trail bikes.  I tried a 
> bike once (around a big parking lot) that had Grand Bois Randonneur 
> bars.  I have no idea what steering geometry the bike had; I didn't like 
> the bars because they felt to me as though there was almost no room for 
> my hands on the bar tops. 
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Shimano bar-end shifters & Albatross bars for commuting

[Shoji Takahashi]

Hey Erl,
If you're comfortable with friction (from your downtube shifting days), 
then you may want to go with friction for bar ends. You won't have to worry 
about setting up indexing, which could mean a little more tweaking to make 
it index properly. Also, you won't have to worry about getting compatible 
parts for indexing. You may even like it better than click-click-clicking.

Good luck, sho

On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 8:45:54 PM UTC-4, WETH wrote:
>
> Ryan and Steve, thank you for your responses.
> Steve, the bike takes a tumble on a monthly basis (I am a teacher and park 
> my bike in the classroom; at home the dogs and children manage to knock it 
> over regularly).  In regard to index shifting on a 6 and 7, here is the 
> product write up from the rivendell site:"Shimano's best bar-end 
> shifters,the Dura-Ace's are indexable only with 9-speed cassettes; the 
> Ultegras index good enough with 6, 7, or 8 speed cassettes and both work 
> with a friction mode, tooso if the "good enough" isn't good enough, 
> throw it into friction, cowboy, and ride away. "
>  I will definitely have to make sure they are compatable with my 7 speed 
> cassette.  Thanks again for taking the time to respond.
> Safe cycling,
> Erl

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[RBW] Re: Another All Rounder on the Bay.

[hsmitham]

Brad,

First really good looking bike and I like your set up. I don't typically 
like yellow cause its so bright but yours at least in the picture and 
viewed on my laptop display looks like a muted yellow which looks awesome! 
I appreciate the confirmation of the original decals.

As far as the valuation on a repaint? I suppose it depends on who is buying 
it and whether they care, or the pool of die hard Riv purest (The reason I 
posed the question and you answered that) who would possibly de-value such 
a deviation from its original format. As you said it's a bike and meant to 
be ridden I tend to err on the notion that a few nicks are and it's 
function foremost IMO which seems the case with the AR. I do like a fresh 
paint job and new decals. 

In the future when I have the financial capabilities I'll probably look for 
one in my size.

Best,

Hugh
Sunland, CA

On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 4:46:40 PM UTC-7, jinxed wrote:
>
> Hugh,
>
> Indeed, my 96 AR has a "speared" Rivendell and no decals on the seat tube 
> aside from the Reynolds tubing designation. Actually it's pretty plain.
>
> Here's a snap of the bare 
> frame
>
> Interesting question you raise regarding possible "de-valuing" of a frame 
> by repainting it as I am considering doing just that. I dont like yellow AT 
> ALL but must admit some nagging guilt about removing an original paintjob 
> and more so the DT logo. That said, this frame will always be the 51st 
> Rivendell regardless of color. There was some lively discussion regarding 
> the repaint the very first Rivendell All Rounder from it's mythic pumpkin 
> hue to a black and royal blue scheme before being sold. Although it was a 
> striking combination and expensive paintjob, the general consensus was that 
> it had lost value of monetary AND historical sense. It was THE bike that 
> brought much love and admiration to the brand and was widely championed. I 
> have two favorite Rivendells of all time and it was one of them. In the end 
> though, it's just paint and riding the bike is what's important.
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 10:51:41 AM UTC-6, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> @Joe, Curious AntBikeMike claims original lugs and Head badge, but later 
>> decals? So then you believe the frame was painted at what point based on 
>> the decals? Would a repaint de-value the Frame and fork? You said earlier 
>> that the Original AR didn't have a seat tube decal? Does anyone have a 
>> example of an original AR (pics?)  you mentioned a yellow one. For me this 
>> is an academic pursuit in Rivendell lore and valuation since thank God it's 
>> not my size!
>>
>> Hugh
>> Sunland, CA
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Me, the Sam and a Friend

[Kellie Stapleton]

Thanks Manny I figured you went there as I've read your posts and viewed 
your pix. Sorry you don't know the names..

On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 9:30:33 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>
> Ask the lovely folks at Rivendell HQ. I go there but street names are 
> foreign to me. 

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Re: [RBW] Shimano bar-end shifters & Albatross bars for commuting

[WETH]

Ryan and Steve, thank you for your responses.
Steve, the bike takes a tumble on a monthly basis (I am a teacher and park my 
bike in the classroom; at home the dogs and children manage to knock it over 
regularly).  In regard to index shifting on a 6 and 7, here is the product 
write up from the rivendell site:"Shimano's best bar-end shifters,the 
Dura-Ace's are indexable only with 9-speed cassettes; the Ultegras index good 
enough with 6, 7, or 8 speed cassettes and both work with a friction mode, 
tooso if the "good enough" isn't good enough, throw it into friction, 
cowboy, and ride away. "
 I will definitely have to make sure they are compatable with my 7 speed 
cassette.  Thanks again for taking the time to respond.
Safe cycling,
Erl

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Re: [RBW] Re: Another All Rounder on the Bay.

[Christopher Murray]

Wouldn't this frame be worth more/ be more valuable if Richard Sachs made it? 

Cheers! 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Another All Rounder on the Bay.

[Joe Bernard]

I hear ya, Dave (and have probably given you the same advice), but I just 
don't have the budget for it after buying a Rambouillet last week. We all 
gotta draw the line somewhere, and mine is at 1300 bucks for another frame. 
Of course it'd be great if the seller came down to something I could 
conceivably pull off, but I think it unlikely. I'm sure there's somebody 
out there who can give this rather unique Riv a good home.
 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA. 

On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 9:59:19 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

> Joe, if that's your size (top tube is kinda' long for the seat tube, 51X54 
> is unusual), then it's a great find. Sometimes you just gotta' do it! If 
> you can get a serial #, shoot it by Riv's direction and ask if they can 
> give you any info. That should at least be able to confirm the builder and 
> year.
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 9:51 AM, hsmitham 
> > wrote:
>
>> @Joe, Curious AntBikeMike claims original lugs and Head badge, but later 
>> decals? So then you believe the frame was painted at what point based on 
>> the decals? Would a repaint de-value the Frame and fork? You said earlier 
>> that the Original AR didn't have a seat tube decal? Does anyone have a 
>> example of an original AR (pics?)  you mentioned a yellow one. For me this 
>> is an academic pursuit in Rivendell lore and valuation since thank God it's 
>> not my size!
>>
>> Hugh
>> Sunland, CA
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 7:16:44 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> The plot thickens. AntBikeMike tells me it's a custom for 700c wheels. 
>>> So we have original lugs and headbadge, but it's a custom with fancy Joe 
>>> Bell paint and later decals. Well ok then. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 5:42:52 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>>>
 Just saw this on Ebay. 

 http://www.ebay.com/itm/**Rivendell-frame-set-/**290887072704?pt=LH_**
 DefaultDomain_0&hash=**item43ba387bc0

 Hugh
 Sunland, CA

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[RBW] Re: Another All Rounder on the Bay.

[jinxed]

Hugh,

Indeed, my 96 AR has a "speared" Rivendell and no decals on the seat tube 
aside from the Reynolds tubing designation. Actually it's pretty plain.

Here's a snap of the bare 
frame

Interesting question you raise regarding possible "de-valuing" of a frame 
by repainting it as I am considering doing just that. I dont like yellow AT 
ALL but must admit some nagging guilt about removing an original paintjob 
and more so the DT logo. That said, this frame will always be the 51st 
Rivendell regardless of color. There was some lively discussion regarding 
the repaint the very first Rivendell All Rounder from it's mythic pumpkin 
hue to a black and royal blue scheme before being sold. Although it was a 
striking combination and expensive paintjob, the general consensus was that 
it had lost value of monetary AND historical sense. It was THE bike that 
brought much love and admiration to the brand and was widely championed. I 
have two favorite Rivendells of all time and it was one of them. In the end 
though, it's just paint and riding the bike is what's important.


On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 10:51:41 AM UTC-6, hsmitham wrote:
>
> @Joe, Curious AntBikeMike claims original lugs and Head badge, but later 
> decals? So then you believe the frame was painted at what point based on 
> the decals? Would a repaint de-value the Frame and fork? You said earlier 
> that the Original AR didn't have a seat tube decal? Does anyone have a 
> example of an original AR (pics?)  you mentioned a yellow one. For me this 
> is an academic pursuit in Rivendell lore and valuation since thank God it's 
> not my size!
>
> Hugh
> Sunland, CA
>
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Re: [RBW] Shimano bar-end shifters & Albatross bars for commuting

[Steve Palincsar]

On Wed, 2013-03-27 at 15:41 -0700, WETH wrote:
> 
> Question:  For those who use or have used  the Shimano bar-end
> shifters, especially on Albatross bars, how easy is it to index shift
> rapidly across several gears on the rear cassette?  Is it as easy as
> moving the lever up or down the needed number of clicks? 

Yes, exactly.  You can sweep the entire block, if you like.

> (On my gripshift, index shifting, one click equals one sprocket change
> on the cassette.)  Are the Shimano bar-end shifters durable enough to
> take somewhat rough handling every day?  

What kind of "rough handling" could a bar end shifter get?  Dropping the
bike on it?  Beating it with a hammer?  Ordinary shifting is in no way
"rough."


> I think I have read about a washer cracking easily.)  As I mentioned,
> I ride hard on my commute.  I do not mean to insinuate that the
> shifters are not of good quality, it is just that I am quite hard on
> my gear when commuting.  

What do you mean by "hard on my gear"?


> Hence, the Surly LHT with 26 x 2.35 tires.  Specifically I would be
> using the shifter set compatible with a 6-7-8 speed cassette. 

There is no one shifter set compatible with 6, 7 and 8.  I've never seen
an indexed 6 and I'm not sure they ever existed.  Indexed 7 speed bar
ends definitely existed, but they're quite rare now.  You can get new
stock (possibly new old stock) 8 speed indexed bar end shifters on ebay
quite easily.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Question 27" wheel conversion to 700c wheels and maybe to 650b

[PATRICK MOORE]

I've had similar very annoying experiences, and have always found a cause
located inside the tire: a slipping rim strip; a loose wire bead; a
penetrant stuck inside the casing and impossible to find just by looking at
the tread.

To paraphrase Dr Johnson, such an excess of flats is not in nature.
(Johnson said, "Such an excess of stupidity, Sir, is not in nature.")

On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> On Wed, 2013-03-27 at 13:35 -0700, Kainalu wrote:
> > I got flats every 1/3rd of a mile with gatorskins.  Sometimes it's fun
> to breakdown and repair, the satisfaction of rolling again after a forced
> stop is great!  But if you'd rather just ride your bike straight through
> the day go with the schwalbes.
>
> Riding over a carpet of goatheads?  A bed of nails?  Otherwise, it's
> hard to see how you could have so many flats... unless, of course,
> you're having the same flat over and over again because you forgot to
> remove the glass shard/carpet tack/whatever?
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[RBW] Re: Shimano bar-end shifters & Albatross bars for commuting

[rcnute]

The combination works great.

The plastic outer covers can crack but the shifters will continue to work 
just fine.

Ryan

On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 3:41:46 PM UTC-7, WETH wrote:
>
> Background (may be skipped as it may not be fully relevant to answering 
> the question and is quite wordy): 
> I purchased albatross bars for a bike my son and I are repainting and 
> building up for him.  While waiting for him to select a frame color, I 
> mounted the albatross bars on my daily commuter (a Surly LHT with riv 
> purchased racks and Rivendell sackville bags).  I was running trekking bars 
> with grip shifters, which I liked well-enough for my 16 mile round trip 
> commute, but I found them less comfortable on longer rides.  I really like 
> the albatross bars and am considering making them permanent.  (I will have 
> to purchase a 2nd pair from Rivendell for my son's bike!)  However, my most 
> aggressive riding occurs while I am commuting; it is an urban commute on 
> roads with buses, aggressive commuters and clueless pedestrians.  I shift 
> gears excessively on the 7 speed cassette using the gripshifters.  I often 
> am quickly index shifting through 6-7 gears as I rapidly approach a 
> stoplight. (I stop at all red lights.)  I like to start up from the easiest 
> gear and up/down shift through the gears as needed.  Often, I am quickly 
> shifting to keep pace with the traffic.  Given the heavy vehicle traffic, I 
> like to maintain as consistent/predictable a presence as possible, which 
> usually requires both hands on the handlebars.  I am considering replacing 
> the gripshifts on the albatross bars with Shimano bar-end shifters sold by 
> Rivendell.  The grip shifters feel and look a bit strange on the Albatross 
> bars--though they work fine.  However, I have never used bar-end shifters, 
> only thumb (index), grip (index) and downtube (friction).   If you are 
> patiently still reading, here is my question. 
>
> Question:  For those who use or have used  the Shimano bar-end shifters, 
> especially on Albatross bars, how easy is it to index shift rapidly across 
> several gears on the rear cassette?  Is it as easy as moving the lever up 
> or down the needed number of clicks? (On my gripshift, index shifting, one 
> click equals one sprocket change on the cassette.)  Are the Shimano bar-end 
> shifters durable enough to take somewhat rough handling every day?  (I 
> think I have read about a washer cracking easily.)  As I mentioned, I ride 
> hard on my commute.  I do not mean to insinuate that the shifters are not 
> of good quality, it is just that I am quite hard on my gear when commuting. 
>  Hence, the Surly LHT with 26 x 2.35 tires.  Specifically I would be using 
> the shifter set compatible with a 6-7-8 speed cassette.  
>
> As always I appreciate and always benefit from the individual and 
> collective wisdom of this group.  I apologize for the wordiness of this 
> post. 
> Many thanks, 
> Erl 
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[RBW] Shimano bar-end shifters & Albatross bars for commuting

[WETH]

Background (may be skipped as it may not be fully relevant to answering the 
question and is quite wordy):
I purchased albatross bars for a bike my son and I are repainting and building 
up for him.  While waiting for him to select a frame color, I mounted the 
albatross bars on my daily commuter (a Surly LHT with riv purchased racks and 
Rivendell sackville bags).  I was running trekking bars with grip shifters, 
which I liked well-enough for my 16 mile round trip commute, but I found them 
less comfortable on longer rides.  I really like the albatross bars and am 
considering making them permanent.  (I will have to purchase a 2nd pair from 
Rivendell for my son's bike!)  However, my most aggressive riding occurs while 
I am commuting; it is an urban commute on roads with buses, aggressive 
commuters and clueless pedestrians.  I shift gears excessively on the 7 speed 
cassette using the gripshifters.  I often am quickly index shifting through 6-7 
gears as I rapidly approach a stoplight. (I stop at all red lights.)  I like to 
start up from the easiest gear and up/down shift through the gears as needed.  
Often, I am quickly shifting to keep pace with the traffic.  Given the heavy 
vehicle traffic, I like to maintain as consistent/predictable a presence as 
possible, which usually requires both hands on the handlebars.  I am 
considering replacing the gripshifts on the albatross bars with Shimano bar-end 
shifters sold by Rivendell.  The grip shifters feel and look a bit strange on 
the Albatross bars--though they work fine.  However, I have never used bar-end 
shifters, only thumb (index), grip (index) and downtube (friction).   If you 
are patiently still reading, here is my question.

Question:  For those who use or have used  the Shimano bar-end shifters, 
especially on Albatross bars, how easy is it to index shift rapidly across 
several gears on the rear cassette?  Is it as easy as moving the lever up or 
down the needed number of clicks? (On my gripshift, index shifting, one click 
equals one sprocket change on the cassette.)  Are the Shimano bar-end shifters 
durable enough to take somewhat rough handling every day?  (I think I have read 
about a washer cracking easily.)  As I mentioned, I ride hard on my commute.  I 
do not mean to insinuate that the shifters are not of good quality, it is just 
that I am quite hard on my gear when commuting.  Hence, the Surly LHT with 26 x 
2.35 tires.  Specifically I would be using the shifter set compatible with a 
6-7-8 speed cassette. 

As always I appreciate and always benefit from the individual and collective 
wisdom of this group.  I apologize for the wordiness of this post.
Many thanks,
Erl

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Re: [RBW] Re: Another All Rounder on the Bay.

[Bruce Herbitter]

When I had my pre-production Road repainted, the painter found just two
sets of the original decals avail. I bought one of them of course.  The
"Rivendell" decal on this bike is correct for a custom, I believe.

On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:51 AM, hsmitham  wrote:

> @Joe, Curious AntBikeMike claims original lugs and Head badge, but later
> decals? So then you believe the frame was painted at what point based on
> the decals? Would a repaint de-value the Frame and fork? You said earlier
> that the Original AR didn't have a seat tube decal? Does anyone have a
> example of an original AR (pics?)  you mentioned a yellow one. For me this
> is an academic pursuit in Rivendell lore and valuation since thank God it's
> not my size!
>
> Hugh
> Sunland, CA
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Another All Rounder on the Bay.

[hsmitham]

Sorry I figure TCO is referring to toe overlap?

-Hugh
Sunland, CA

On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 3:09:45 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Yes, good points. You have to make some compromises to avoid TCO on 
> smaller frames. That's one of the big argument for going with 650B. 
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 10:36 AM, iamkeith 
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 10:59:19 AM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.comwrote:
>>>
>>>  (top tube is kinda' long for the seat tube, 51X54 is unusual), 
>>>  
>>>
>>  
>> If it is in fact a 51cm frame built around 700c tires as noted (which 
>> certainly looks to be correct, based on the proportion), and room for some 
>> fat rubber per All Rounder definition, I'll bet the top tube HAD to be that 
>> long - otherwise the TCO could have been horrendous.  Not that there's 
>> anything wrong with it...  I think it's cool that it's so unique.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Another All Rounder on the Bay.

[cyclotourist]

Yes, good points. You have to make some compromises to avoid TCO on smaller
frames. That's one of the big argument for going with 650B.


On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 10:36 AM, iamkeith  wrote:

>
> On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 10:59:19 AM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>  (top tube is kinda' long for the seat tube, 51X54 is unusual),
>>
>>
>
> If it is in fact a 51cm frame built around 700c tires as noted (which
> certainly looks to be correct, based on the proportion), and room for some
> fat rubber per All Rounder definition, I'll bet the top tube HAD to be that
> long - otherwise the TCO could have been horrendous.  Not that there's
> anything wrong with it...  I think it's cool that it's so unique.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Handlebar

[Steve Palincsar]

On Wed, 2013-03-27 at 12:01 -0700, René Sterental wrote:
>   I also read somewhere in Jan's blog or magazine that narrower drop
> bars work better with low trail forks whereas wider bars are better
> for higher trail geometries.

Jan has pointed out that bar width changed over time, in relation to
changes in steering geometry.  As tires narrowed and trail increased,
bars got wider.  He has also been very clear about his preference for
narrower bars with low trail bikes.

Depending on your definition of "narrow" that may or may not be the case
for other riders.  I like 44 cm bars with my low trail bikes.  I tried a
bike once (around a big parking lot) that had Grand Bois Randonneur
bars.  I have no idea what steering geometry the bike had; I didn't like
the bars because they felt to me as though there was almost no room for
my hands on the bar tops.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Question 27" wheel conversion to 700c wheels and maybe to 650b

[Steve Palincsar]

On Wed, 2013-03-27 at 13:35 -0700, Kainalu wrote:
> I got flats every 1/3rd of a mile with gatorskins.  Sometimes it's fun to 
> breakdown and repair, the satisfaction of rolling again after a forced stop 
> is great!  But if you'd rather just ride your bike straight through the day 
> go with the schwalbes.

Riding over a carpet of goatheads?  A bed of nails?  Otherwise, it's
hard to see how you could have so many flats... unless, of course,
you're having the same flat over and over again because you forgot to
remove the glass shard/carpet tack/whatever?



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[RBW] Desperately seeking ...... !

[PATRICK MOORE]

16 X 9- (nine-) [IX] speed spacers. Can (1) pay or (2) trade or (3)
brown-nose.

I know, I know, Miche and Problem Solvers both make them, and I can buy
online, but the one stockist that Googling presented wants $9 for shipping
$16 worth of product that could be mailed for $2.

(I called my nearest LBS today and thoroughly confused the young man who
ansererewededeted. I called another LBS slightly further away and the much
better informed respondent said, "Dunno! Maybe?")]}.)

Background: I have two (2) [{(II)}] 8-speed wheelsets for the Fargo, but
adding just one (1) [I] more cog would take very desirable ratio combos to
the level that could be honestly called "wunnerful!". (Id est, one (1) {I}
more cog on the dirt wheelset would give me a 61" gear between the present
65" and 58" (LXV and LVIII).

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Re: [RBW] Re: Question 27" wheel conversion to 700c wheels and maybe to 650b

[Kainalu]

I got flats every 1/3rd of a mile with gatorskins.  Sometimes it's fun to 
breakdown and repair, the satisfaction of rolling again after a forced stop is 
great!  But if you'd rather just ride your bike straight through the day go 
with the schwalbes.
-Kai

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Re: [RBW] WTT: Nitto Lugged stem/cockpit

[PATRICK MOORE]

FWIW, and it may not be much, I swapped my 46 cm Noodles, on the Fargo, to
42s and I was very surprised at how much more comfortable the 42s were --
just about perfect. I'm narrowish and just shy of 6'.

Unfortunately the Fargo sometimes sees modestly technical terrain, and
there is nothing but NOTHING more useless in technical terrain than a
narrow road drop bar.

On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Alex Zeibot  wrote:

> Hey,
> I have Nitto Lugged stem, 110 mm that I find too long.  Anyone wants to
> trade his/her 90 or 100 mm stem of same kind?  I also have 48cm Nitto
> Noodle bars and would like to exchange for 42/44cm or sell for $50.  Both
> in fantastic and near mint condition.
> Thanks!
> Alex
> St. Paul
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Re: [RBW] Re: Handlebar

[PATRICK MOORE]

This is interesting. FWIW, I have narrow Grand Bois (Compass Bicycles) Maes
Parallels on my two Riv Road Customs, and these are (IIRC) only 37 cm wide
at the hoods -- at any rate, the widest offered are 38 or 39.

I have absolutely no problem with control using these on relatively high
trail Rivs and it is without any question the most comfortable bar I have
used. I love them and would pay double the already high price for them.
(Note that their finish puts even the Noodles to shame.)

I don't recall having tried Rando bars, Nitto or otherwise -- wonder how
they'd do on the Fargo compared to the Midge (for which this latest hack,
of which {hack} the results are positive but not ecstatically positive):

https://picasaweb.google.com/BERTIN753/BIKESMISCELLANEA#5859423272048789282

The problem, again, being that, with the Midge, you can't position the ends
of the hooks parallel to Terra Firma.

I notice that the Nitto Rando (no longer carried by Riv, I see) has a
shallowish 122 mm drop and a med/longish 110 mm reach. The problem for me
is that the widest seems to be only a 41.

I am curious if anyone has found, and used, a Rando type bar that is at
least 44 cm wide at the hoods.

On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 1:01 PM, René Sterental  wrote:

> The shape and curves of the GB Randonneur bar have made it the only drop
> bar that I can ride with virtually no pain in my hands. I can't say that of
> the Noodle or both Nitto Randonneur bars (the narrower and the wider one).
> It's very comfortable both on the tops straight section, curved section and
> straight section going to the hoods, which is the position I find myself
> using most often. I've discovered that its narrowness on the tops also
> makes it very comfortable, and have some sort of theory backed by purely
> empirical evidence I've gathered by doing online research, that the wider
> bars, which are presumably better to open the chest, compress the shoulder
> blades and back, whereas the narrower ones don't do this on the shoulders.
> Since I have no problems breathing, elbows can ge articulated and I have
> many issues with shoulder and neck pain when riding, I noted right away
> that after I got used to the narrowness of the bar, I wasn't having the
> expected shoulder, neck or hand pain I used to always get with the drop
> bars.
>
> I also read somewhere in Jan's blog or magazine that narrower drop bars
> work better with low trail forks whereas wider bars are better for higher
> trail geometries. In my very early days with my Hilsen, I tried the
> narrower Nitto Randonneur bar and found it uncomfortable and didn't like
> how it made the Hilsenhandle, so I went back to the 48 Noodles, which I
> still have on that bike. The Atlantis, where the current GB Randonneur
> resides, handles very nicely with the narrow bars but it has a low trail
> fork. My next step is to install the bars on the Hilsen to see how they
> feel on the standard geometry, and if they not only handle equally well,
> but also remove all the pain and issues that I have when riding the Hilsen
> with the 48 Noodles.
>
> René
>
> René
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 12:12 PM, rcnute  wrote:
>
>> I saw last night that there is a new Soma randonneur bar too.
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 8:22:43 AM UTC-7, René wrote:
>>
>>> If you want a new safe bar that looks just like that one and IMHO is
>>> more confortable than the Nitto, try the Grand Bois Randonneur bar, which
>>> by the way, is also made by Nitto.
>>>
>>> *http://tinyurl.com/bb9t843*
>>>
>>> René
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 8:08 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
 I don't think anyone here is qualified to say it's safe based on a
 photo. Personally, I wouldn't ride an old bent bar.

 Joe Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.

 On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 7:34:02 AM UTC-7, Davidbea wrote:

> While waiting for the Nitto randonneur bar I ordered from my LBS to
> arrive- one of thre options I’m considering for my new Homer build- I
> stopped by the bike coop and found this bar:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/**7**1834221@N00/8591612115/in/**phot**
> ostream
>
> It’s labelled GB and British Made.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/**7**1834221@N00/8592703534/in/**set-**
> 72157633092067433
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/**7**1834221@N00/8592699168/in/**set-**
> 72157633092067433
>
> When the Nitto I lined the two up and noticed, besides an unfortunate
> bend at the right end, it is almost exactly the same.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/**7**1834221@N00/8592696840/in/**set-**
> 72157633092067433/**lightbox/
>
>

Re: [RBW] Re: This week's adventure.

[Mike Schiller]

I rode from the Acton Metrolink station over Mill Creek Summit. We were on 
23-25mm tires so no dirt on that ride.
 I've always wanted to ride from Acton ML up Mill Creek Summit, over 
Gleason and down thru North Fork back to Newhall Metrolink. Lots of dirt 
over Gleason and down.

~mike 

On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 9:54:11 AM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>
> @ Mike, on the BigT to Clear creek Angeles Crest ride did you find any 
> dirt to ride.
>
> Hugh
> Sunland, CA 
>
> On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 11:57:39 PM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote:
>>
>> I've ridden Angeles Forest to Upper Big Tujunga to Angeles Crest.  Great 
>> ride and beautiful in Winter.  
>>
>> ~mike
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 11:13:52 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> I'd like to do that one of these days. My decommissioned highway is old 
>>> 38 to Angelus Oaks. Rode it Sunday and again today (with PDX guests in 
>>> tow!). Same basic idea though. Good times on two wheels!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 10:58 PM, Andy Smitty Schmidt 
>>> <54c...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
 Not sure the current condition... but sometimes they close a chunk of 
 the Angeles Crest Hwy in 
 winter. 
 I've hiked it when it's closed... makes for a cool adventure. You'd have 
 to 
 carry the bike over some snowy stretches, but there'd be a lot of dry 
 pavement all to yourself. Also the closed section of Hwy 39 that connects 
 with the Angeles Crest Hwy is lonely. 

 --Smitty


 On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 9:32:29 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

> Mike,
>
> Another great ride report! Makes me want to load the car up and road 
> trip it North. How many miles did you ride?
>
> Hugh
>
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Re: [RBW] A nice 59 cm Heron on a certain auction site

[Tom Goodmann]

What a badge!  Yeah, I am watching this auction, and hoping for a
financially reasonable outcome; the purchase isn't what I might call
"necessary," as I am committed to a Sam build already with Riv!  But if
this Heron is a good deal . . . .


On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 2:47 PM, reynoldslugs  wrote:

> This one on the auction block is very similar to my 60.  I love the bike,
> currently in the process of building int back up.   The silver is a pretty
> and understated color.  For the interested, some shots of the Heron rebuild
> project:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/sets/72157632100285482/
>
> The Heron is the bike that brought me back to cycling (via Rivendell) in
> about 1998.  I'll always have a sentimental place in the garage for mine.
>
> Max Beach
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Re: [RBW] Re: Handlebar

[René Sterental]

The shape and curves of the GB Randonneur bar have made it the only drop
bar that I can ride with virtually no pain in my hands. I can't say that of
the Noodle or both Nitto Randonneur bars (the narrower and the wider one).
It's very comfortable both on the tops straight section, curved section and
straight section going to the hoods, which is the position I find myself
using most often. I've discovered that its narrowness on the tops also
makes it very comfortable, and have some sort of theory backed by purely
empirical evidence I've gathered by doing online research, that the wider
bars, which are presumably better to open the chest, compress the shoulder
blades and back, whereas the narrower ones don't do this on the shoulders.
Since I have no problems breathing, elbows can ge articulated and I have
many issues with shoulder and neck pain when riding, I noted right away
that after I got used to the narrowness of the bar, I wasn't having the
expected shoulder, neck or hand pain I used to always get with the drop
bars.

I also read somewhere in Jan's blog or magazine that narrower drop bars
work better with low trail forks whereas wider bars are better for higher
trail geometries. In my very early days with my Hilsen, I tried the
narrower Nitto Randonneur bar and found it uncomfortable and didn't like
how it made the Hilsenhandle, so I went back to the 48 Noodles, which I
still have on that bike. The Atlantis, where the current GB Randonneur
resides, handles very nicely with the narrow bars but it has a low trail
fork. My next step is to install the bars on the Hilsen to see how they
feel on the standard geometry, and if they not only handle equally well,
but also remove all the pain and issues that I have when riding the Hilsen
with the 48 Noodles.

René

René


On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 12:12 PM, rcnute  wrote:

> I saw last night that there is a new Soma randonneur bar too.
>
> Ryan
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 8:22:43 AM UTC-7, René wrote:
>
>> If you want a new safe bar that looks just like that one and IMHO is more
>> confortable than the Nitto, try the Grand Bois Randonneur bar, which by the
>> way, is also made by Nitto.
>>
>> *http://tinyurl.com/bb9t843*
>>
>> René
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 8:08 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> I don't think anyone here is qualified to say it's safe based on a
>>> photo. Personally, I wouldn't ride an old bent bar.
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>> Vallejo, CA.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 7:34:02 AM UTC-7, Davidbea wrote:
>>>
 While waiting for the Nitto randonneur bar I ordered from my LBS to
 arrive- one of thre options I’m considering for my new Homer build- I
 stopped by the bike coop and found this bar:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/**7**1834221@N00/8591612115/in/**phot**
 ostream

 It’s labelled GB and British Made.

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/**7**1834221@N00/8592703534/in/**set-**
 72157633092067433

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/**7**1834221@N00/8592699168/in/**set-**
 72157633092067433

 When the Nitto I lined the two up and noticed, besides an unfortunate
 bend at the right end, it is almost exactly the same.

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/**7**1834221@N00/8592696840/in/**set-**
 72157633092067433/**lightbox/

 Is this the bar the Nitto is patterned after? Would it be okay to put a
 pipe in the bar end  to ‘correct’ the errant right end. Would it be safe
 now or corrected?

 BTW I am 62 years old and 150 lbs so wouldn’t be adding a lot of stress
 to it.

 David Hays

 Kenmore, New York

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Re: [RBW] A nice 59 cm Heron on a certain auction site

[reynoldslugs]

This one on the auction block is very similar to my 60.  I love the bike, 
currently in the process of building int back up.   The silver is a pretty 
and understated color.  For the interested, some shots of the Heron rebuild 
project:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/sets/72157632100285482/

The Heron is the bike that brought me back to cycling (via Rivendell) in 
about 1998.  I'll always have a sentimental place in the garage for mine.

Max Beach
Sonoma Co CA

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[RBW] WTT: Nitto Lugged stem/cockpit

[Alex Zeibot]

Hey,
I have Nitto Lugged stem, 110 mm that I find too long.  Anyone wants to
trade his/her 90 or 100 mm stem of same kind?  I also have 48cm Nitto
Noodle bars and would like to exchange for 42/44cm or sell for $50.  Both
in fantastic and near mint condition.
Thanks!
Alex
St. Paul

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Re: [RBW] Re: Another All Rounder on the Bay.

[hsmitham]

Addison, Great blog and pictures of your AR and you have truly shown its 
versatility with the numerous configurations. Thanks,

Hugh
Sunland, CA

On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 10:15:46 AM UTC-7, Addison wrote:
>
> Mine's around a '99 Match built if memory serves.  Some pics to scan 
> through here as far as decals and such.
>
> http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/search?q=rivendell+allrounder
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Joe Bernard 
> > wrote:
>
>> Hugh, my initial information didn't take into account the transition from 
>> Waterford Rivs to custom Rivs I mentioned later in this thread. I now 
>> believe this frame was a custom made with those lugs, and painted/decaled 
>> as seen by Joe Bell at that time. 
>>  
>> For an example of a Waterford Riv with original graphics, see "Riv All 
>> Rounder price question" on the list.
>>  
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 9:51:41 AM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>>> @Joe, Curious AntBikeMike claims original lugs and Head badge, but later 
>>> decals? So then you believe the frame was painted at what point based on 
>>> the decals? Would a repaint de-value the Frame and fork? You said earlier 
>>> that the Original AR didn't have a seat tube decal? Does anyone have a 
>>> example of an original AR (pics?)  you mentioned a yellow one. For me this 
>>> is an academic pursuit in Rivendell lore and valuation since thank God it's 
>>> not my size!
>>>
>>> Hugh
>>> Sunland, CA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 7:16:44 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:

 The plot thickens. AntBikeMike tells me it's a custom for 700c wheels. 
 So we have original lugs and headbadge, but it's a custom with fancy Joe 
 Bell paint and later decals. Well ok then. 

 On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 5:42:52 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

> Just saw this on Ebay. 
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/**Rivendell-frame-set-/**290887072704?pt=LH_**
> DefaultDomain_0&hash=**item43ba387bc0
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Another All Rounder on the Bay.

[iamkeith]

On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 10:59:19 AM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>  (top tube is kinda' long for the seat tube, 51X54 is unusual), 
>  
>
 
If it is in fact a 51cm frame built around 700c tires as noted (which 
certainly looks to be correct, based on the proportion), and room for some 
fat rubber per All Rounder definition, I'll bet the top tube HAD to be that 
long - otherwise the TCO could have been horrendous.  Not that there's 
anything wrong with it...  I think it's cool that it's so unique.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Another All Rounder on the Bay.

[Addison Wilhite]

Mine's around a '99 Match built if memory serves.  Some pics to scan
through here as far as decals and such.

http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/search?q=rivendell+allrounder




On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Hugh, my initial information didn't take into account the transition from
> Waterford Rivs to custom Rivs I mentioned later in this thread. I now
> believe this frame was a custom made with those lugs, and painted/decaled
> as seen by Joe Bell at that time.
>
> For an example of a Waterford Riv with original graphics, see "Riv All
> Rounder price question" on the list.
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 9:51:41 AM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>
>> @Joe, Curious AntBikeMike claims original lugs and Head badge, but later
>> decals? So then you believe the frame was painted at what point based on
>> the decals? Would a repaint de-value the Frame and fork? You said earlier
>> that the Original AR didn't have a seat tube decal? Does anyone have a
>> example of an original AR (pics?)  you mentioned a yellow one. For me this
>> is an academic pursuit in Rivendell lore and valuation since thank God it's
>> not my size!
>>
>> Hugh
>> Sunland, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 7:16:44 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> The plot thickens. AntBikeMike tells me it's a custom for 700c wheels.
>>> So we have original lugs and headbadge, but it's a custom with fancy Joe
>>> Bell paint and later decals. Well ok then.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 5:42:52 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>>>
 Just saw this on Ebay.

 http://www.ebay.com/itm/**Rivendell-frame-set-/**290887072704?pt=LH_**
 DefaultDomain_0&hash=**item43ba387bc0

 Hugh
 Sunland, CA

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[RBW] Re: Another All Rounder on the Bay.

[Joe Bernard]

Hugh, my initial information didn't take into account the transition from 
Waterford Rivs to custom Rivs I mentioned later in this thread. I now 
believe this frame was a custom made with those lugs, and painted/decaled 
as seen by Joe Bell at that time. 
 
For an example of a Waterford Riv with original graphics, see "Riv All 
Rounder price question" on the list.
 

On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 9:51:41 AM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

> @Joe, Curious AntBikeMike claims original lugs and Head badge, but later 
> decals? So then you believe the frame was painted at what point based on 
> the decals? Would a repaint de-value the Frame and fork? You said earlier 
> that the Original AR didn't have a seat tube decal? Does anyone have a 
> example of an original AR (pics?)  you mentioned a yellow one. For me this 
> is an academic pursuit in Rivendell lore and valuation since thank God it's 
> not my size!
>
> Hugh
> Sunland, CA
>
> On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 7:16:44 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> The plot thickens. AntBikeMike tells me it's a custom for 700c wheels. So 
>> we have original lugs and headbadge, but it's a custom with fancy Joe Bell 
>> paint and later decals. Well ok then. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 5:42:52 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>>> Just saw this on Ebay. 
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-frame-set-/290887072704?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43ba387bc0
>>>
>>> Hugh
>>> Sunland, CA
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Another All Rounder on the Bay.

[cyclotourist]

Joe, if that's your size (top tube is kinda' long for the seat tube, 51X54
is unusual), then it's a great find. Sometimes you just gotta' do it! If
you can get a serial #, shoot it by Riv's direction and ask if they can
give you any info. That should at least be able to confirm the builder and
year.


On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 9:51 AM, hsmitham  wrote:

> @Joe, Curious AntBikeMike claims original lugs and Head badge, but later
> decals? So then you believe the frame was painted at what point based on
> the decals? Would a repaint de-value the Frame and fork? You said earlier
> that the Original AR didn't have a seat tube decal? Does anyone have a
> example of an original AR (pics?)  you mentioned a yellow one. For me this
> is an academic pursuit in Rivendell lore and valuation since thank God it's
> not my size!
>
> Hugh
> Sunland, CA
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 7:16:44 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> The plot thickens. AntBikeMike tells me it's a custom for 700c wheels. So
>> we have original lugs and headbadge, but it's a custom with fancy Joe Bell
>> paint and later decals. Well ok then.
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 5:42:52 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>>> Just saw this on Ebay.
>>>
>>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/**Rivendell-frame-set-/**290887072704?pt=LH_**
>>> DefaultDomain_0&hash=**item43ba387bc0
>>>
>>> Hugh
>>> Sunland, CA
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: This week's adventure.

[hsmitham]

@ Mike, on the BigT to Clear creek Angeles Crest ride did you find any dirt 
to ride.

Hugh
Sunland, CA 

On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 11:57:39 PM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote:
>
> I've ridden Angeles Forest to Upper Big Tujunga to Angeles Crest.  Great 
> ride and beautiful in Winter.  
>
> ~mike
>
> On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 11:13:52 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> I'd like to do that one of these days. My decommissioned highway is old 
>> 38 to Angelus Oaks. Rode it Sunday and again today (with PDX guests in 
>> tow!). Same basic idea though. Good times on two wheels!
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 10:58 PM, Andy Smitty Schmidt 
>> <54c...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Not sure the current condition... but sometimes they close a chunk of 
>>> the Angeles Crest Hwy in 
>>> winter. 
>>> I've hiked it when it's closed... makes for a cool adventure. You'd have to 
>>> carry the bike over some snowy stretches, but there'd be a lot of dry 
>>> pavement all to yourself. Also the closed section of Hwy 39 that connects 
>>> with the Angeles Crest Hwy is lonely. 
>>>
>>> --Smitty
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 9:32:29 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>>>
 Mike,

 Another great ride report! Makes me want to load the car up and road 
 trip it North. How many miles did you ride?

 Hugh


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[RBW] Re: Another All Rounder on the Bay.

[hsmitham]

@Joe, Curious AntBikeMike claims original lugs and Head badge, but later 
decals? So then you believe the frame was painted at what point based on 
the decals? Would a repaint de-value the Frame and fork? You said earlier 
that the Original AR didn't have a seat tube decal? Does anyone have a 
example of an original AR (pics?)  you mentioned a yellow one. For me this 
is an academic pursuit in Rivendell lore and valuation since thank God it's 
not my size!

Hugh
Sunland, CA

On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 7:16:44 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> The plot thickens. AntBikeMike tells me it's a custom for 700c wheels. So 
> we have original lugs and headbadge, but it's a custom with fancy Joe Bell 
> paint and later decals. Well ok then. 
>
> On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 5:42:52 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>
>> Just saw this on Ebay. 
>>
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-frame-set-/290887072704?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43ba387bc0
>>
>> Hugh
>> Sunland, CA
>>
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[RBW] Re: Another All Rounder on the Bay.

[Joe Bernard]

I got more info from Mike, most of which is now in the Ebay listing. It was 
a demo Grant had in 95/96 after the customer returned it because he didn't 
dig the low BB height. You can see the fillet-brazed chainstays used to 
accommadate this design. Mike mentioned it might have been built by Della 
Santa, which refreshed my memory on the early custom builders Grant used 
during the transition from Waterford production Rivs, to the Rivendell name 
being applied only to full customs. 
 
During that time Della Santa, Richard Sachs, and Tim Isaac from match were 
involved, and IMO one of them probably built this frame. It's an 
interesting piece, and I dearly wish to acquire it, but I'm kinda full-up 
on bikes now. A dilemma...

On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 8:57:43 AM UTC-7, Ryan wrote:

> I think this is a 98 or 99 when they went a little more custom and left 
> Waterford...and it looks more long-lowish to me...custom tubing and this is 
> when Joe Bell started painting their frames...could be Match-built or early 
> Joe Starck
>  
> My A/R ordered in 1997 for frame and fork was 1200 + 100 for cream 
> headtube and $25 for my name for a base price of $1325. This was the 
> Waterford-built Riv with Reynolds 753 and 531 fork. Phil BB and Tange 
> roller-ball headset came installed and I think that was another $150 or so. 
> I still have the stud book...er the documentation with Grant's hand-written 
> comments/questions. I had so much fun ordering and outfitting and saving 
> for the bike  I went back for a Road custom in 2001:)
> On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 7:42:52 PM UTC-5, hsmitham wrote:
>
>> Just saw this on Ebay.  
>>
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-frame-set-/290887072704?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43ba387bc0
>>
>> Hugh
>> Sunland, CA
>>
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[RBW] Re: This week's adventure.

[Liesl]

Well *that* looked like a frosty fantastic 
put-a-grin-on-your-face-after-it-was-done adventure!  Glad you didn't have 
any great mishaps; a start-out-sweaty prolonged stop woulda been scarey 
chilly given your expedition wear!  ;)

Liesl the-snow-is-crusty-but-melting in Minneapolis

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[RBW] Re: WTB bar end pods

[gep71154]

Some and oddly not all Shimano pods have a nub on the square that 
interferes with the square-holed spacer that fits over it. If so, two 
options: 
(1) Dremel down the nub, a do-able pain, I've done it twenty times in the 
early days;
(2) Cut out the square-holed washer so it fits over  it. 
Not quite plug-n-play, but that's life.

On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 12:27:11 PM UTC-7, JL wrote:
>
> Does anyone have a spare set of bar end pods?
>
> or silver/ diacompe bar end shifters?
>
> reply offlist please
>
> Thanks
> Jason Leach
> SF, CA
>  
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[RBW] Re: Another All Rounder on the Bay.

[Ryan]

I think this is a 98 or 99 when they went a little more custom and left 
Waterford...and it looks more long-lowish to me...custom tubing and this is 
when Joe Bell started painting their frames...could be Match-built or early 
Joe Starck
 
My A/R ordered in 1997 for frame and fork was 1200 + 100 for cream headtube 
and $25 for my name for a base price of $1325. This was the Waterford-built 
Riv with Reynolds 753 and 531 fork. Phil BB and Tange roller-ball headset 
came installed and I think that was another $150 or so. I still have the 
stud book...er the documentation with Grant's hand-written 
comments/questions. I had so much fun ordering and outfitting and saving 
for the bike  I went back for a Road custom in 2001:)
On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 7:42:52 PM UTC-5, hsmitham wrote:

> Just saw this on Ebay.  
>
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-frame-set-/290887072704?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43ba387bc0
>
> Hugh
> Sunland, CA
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell All 'Rounder price question.

[Ryan]

Thanks!
On Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:46:05 PM UTC-5, kevin spicher wrote: 
>
> Hello all..
> I have a Rivendell All 'Rounder purchased in 1996-97 (I have the receipt 
> somewhere).It has Richard Sachs lugs and if I remember right it is a 55 (I 
> am 5'11" 160 LBS)  I am considering selling it, but I have no idea what it 
> is worth. It has very low mileage, guessing maybe 3 or 4K and has been 
> maintained impeccably. I think it's only ever been ridden in the rain a 
> couple times. Here is a photoMKS touring pedals, Paul touring Cantis, 
> Nitto Dream Bar, Nitto Pearl stem, Mavic 661 crank (I think that's the 
> model #) Simplex super lj rear derailer, Simplex front derailer Phil 
> touring Hubs, Sun CR 18 rims, The tires in the photo are wrong it has 
> Schwalbe Marathon Plus tires, Phil BB, ESGE fenders, Suntour Superbe ( I 
> have new gum hoods not on yet) Willow chainring with tripleizer, 
> Specialized seatpost.
>
> I have much better and bigger pics if anyone is interested.
>
> I would appreciate all feedback considering what it is worth and what I 
> would probably get for it.
>
> Thank You,
> Kevin
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB bar end pods

[PATRICK MOORE]

Jim -- I'm interested in buying a pair of pods if you are selling them
relatively cheaply -- this for the Rambouillet.

Will your pods work with 7 speed-era Dura Ace dt shifters? I do have the
keyed washers.

LMK.

Thanks.

On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
thill@gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't know if Dura Ace DT shifters can be converted. You'd need that
> little keyed washer index thing to fit the shifter on the pod (as opposed
> to the curved ones that fit on the downtube). I have lots of pods, but no
> extra little keyed washer index things.
>
> On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 9:16:05 PM UTC-5, Alex Zeibot wrote:
>>
>> Jim,
>> I have Dura Ace DT shifters but would love barcons.  Possible to convert
>> them?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 9:04 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
>> thil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have tons of Shimano pods, which I think work with silver shifters
>>> (correct me if I'm wrong). I can send you some.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 2:27:11 PM UTC-5, JL wrote:

 Does anyone have a spare set of bar end pods?

 or silver/ diacompe bar end shifters?

 reply offlist please

 Thanks
 Jason Leach
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB bar end pods

[Joe Bernard]

Ah, it appears I know not of what I speak on this topic.
 
Joe "never mind" Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 8:32:54 AM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:

> I don't know if Dura Ace DT shifters can be converted. You'd need that 
> little keyed washer index thing to fit the shifter on the pod (as opposed 
> to the curved ones that fit on the downtube). I have lots of pods, but no 
> extra little keyed washer index things.
>
> On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 9:16:05 PM UTC-5, Alex Zeibot wrote:
>>
>> Jim,
>> I have Dura Ace DT shifters but would love barcons.  Possible to convert 
>> them?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 9:04 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
>> thil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have tons of Shimano pods, which I think work with silver shifters 
>>> (correct me if I'm wrong). I can send you some.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 2:27:11 PM UTC-5, JL wrote:

 Does anyone have a spare set of bar end pods?

 or silver/ diacompe bar end shifters?

 reply offlist please

 Thanks
 Jason Leach
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[RBW] Re: WTB bar end pods

[Rich Lesnik]

The Shimano pods need to be altered slightly to work with other DT 
shifters. The raised square section (which receives the square-hole spacer) 
has a half-moon "nub" on one side that needs to be filed down before other 
shifters will fit properly.

On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 7:04:15 PM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:
>
> I have tons of Shimano pods, which I think work with silver shifters 
> (correct me if I'm wrong). I can send you some.
>
> On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 2:27:11 PM UTC-5, JL wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone have a spare set of bar end pods?
>>
>> or silver/ diacompe bar end shifters?
>>
>> reply offlist please
>>
>> Thanks
>> Jason Leach
>> SF, CA
>>  
>>
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell All 'Rounder price question.

[kevin spicher]

I bought the Gum Hoods in L.A. at Coccos. I think they are Cane Creek.

On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 12:48:03 PM UTC-7, Ryan wrote:
>
> I'm glad that you are keeping it for now. I bought mine as the fancy 
> going-to-church version of my 93 X0-1 which I also still have and ride more 
> often. But the AR was the 1st "custom" I ever owned and I had lots of fun 
> picking out the partssome Rivish, some not so much. I do ride it and I 
> would be sorry to sell it. There's  emotional as well as financial 
> investment in a fine and special bike. Which those ARs are
>  
> Now, one of the components we share are those Superbe levers; if you can 
> tell me where you scored new gum hoods, I would love to know :) 
>  
> On Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:46:05 PM UTC-5, kevin spicher wrote:
>
>> Hello all..
>> I have a Rivendell All 'Rounder purchased in 1996-97 (I have the receipt 
>> somewhere).It has Richard Sachs lugs and if I remember right it is a 55 (I 
>> am 5'11" 160 LBS)  I am considering selling it, but I have no idea what it 
>> is worth. It has very low mileage, guessing maybe 3 or 4K and has been 
>> maintained impeccably. I think it's only ever been ridden in the rain a 
>> couple times. Here is a photoMKS touring pedals, Paul touring Cantis, 
>> Nitto Dream Bar, Nitto Pearl stem, Mavic 661 crank (I think that's the 
>> model #) Simplex super lj rear derailer, Simplex front derailer Phil 
>> touring Hubs, Sun CR 18 rims, The tires in the photo are wrong it has 
>> Schwalbe Marathon Plus tires, Phil BB, ESGE fenders, Suntour Superbe ( I 
>> have new gum hoods not on yet) Willow chainring with tripleizer, 
>> Specialized seatpost.
>>
>> I have much better and bigger pics if anyone is interested.
>>
>> I would appreciate all feedback considering what it is worth and what I 
>> would probably get for it.
>>
>> Thank You,
>> Kevin
>>
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[RBW] FS: 58 Atlantis

[Steve Brent]

Custom black Atlantis with top-line components

Some may recognize this as Jim Thill's old bike, he has no responsibility 
for this sale. This bike has all the great components he put on it. Has S&S 
couplers to allow breaking it down. 

Velocity Aerohead rims with a Phil Wood cassette rear hub (36h with asym 
rim) and Phil Wood front hub (32h)
Paul Neo-Retro Cantilever brakes
Riv Albatross Bars (also can include VO Porteur Bars and a custom Syntace 
Bullhorn Bar)
Vintage XT motorcycle brake levers
Ultegra 9sp cassette
960 series XTR rear derailleur (no front derailleur)
9sp Dura Ace shifter
Sugino XD crank with 38t ring and Sugino 24t or 26t ring and Salsa 
chainguard
Technomic stem (tall, with 10-11cm extension) & CrMo Albatross bar
Ritchey cable couplers
Cascadia fenders
SRAM chain
Schwalbe Marathon Plus 700x39 tires with good tread
Minoura kickstand
Riv Atlantis Emblem Plate
Nitto Big Back Rack
Brooks black sprung saddle or a Brooks tan aged saddle (or a Selle 
Anatomica Cydesdale waterproof saddle for $75 extra)
Bike is in excellent condition. Located in Washington DC area. Willing to 
ship. 

$2200. Please email me at wardbrent@hotmail(dot)com

Pics: 
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB bar end pods

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

I don't know if Dura Ace DT shifters can be converted. You'd need that 
little keyed washer index thing to fit the shifter on the pod (as opposed 
to the curved ones that fit on the downtube). I have lots of pods, but no 
extra little keyed washer index things.

On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 9:16:05 PM UTC-5, Alex Zeibot wrote:
>
> Jim,
> I have Dura Ace DT shifters but would love barcons.  Possible to convert 
> them?
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 9:04 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
> thil...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>> I have tons of Shimano pods, which I think work with silver shifters 
>> (correct me if I'm wrong). I can send you some.
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 2:27:11 PM UTC-5, JL wrote:
>>>
>>> Does anyone have a spare set of bar end pods?
>>>
>>> or silver/ diacompe bar end shifters?
>>>
>>> reply offlist please
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Jason Leach
>>> SF, CA
>>>  
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[RBW] Re: Looking for 650b wheelset and tires?

[Ely Rodriguez]

Thanks Ed, email me off-list. Your wheels sound fantastic. They might be 
slightly too awesome for what we plan to use them for. But email me and let 
me know your price. We'll be needing some 32 tires and fenders too, but one 
step at a time.  
elyk...@gmail.com
Thanks!
Ely

On Friday, March 22, 2013 8:05:51 AM UTC-7, EMJr wrote:
>
> Hi Ely, 
> I have the set plus lighting if you need it. It's a freshly laced 
> Schmidt/White Industries/Supernova E3 pro system.
>
> Contact me at e.man...@gmail.com  if interested.
>
> Cheers.
> Ed
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[RBW] FS/FT Brooks B-17

[shawn]

Like new honey B-17 for sale $80 shipped or trade for equivalent black B-17
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[RBW] Re: Another All Rounder on the Bay.

[Joe Bernard]

The plot thickens. AntBikeMike tells me it's a custom for 700c wheels. So 
we have original lugs and headbadge, but it's a custom with fancy Joe Bell 
paint and later decals. Well ok then. 

On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 5:42:52 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

> Just saw this on Ebay. 
>
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-frame-set-/290887072704?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43ba387bc0
>
> Hugh
> Sunland, CA
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Re: [RBW] This week's adventure.

[PATRICK MOORE]

Looks like a great ride for warmer weather! Y'all are hard men for pushing
through, in shorts no less.

I see your chihuahua gets along with his (Timbuk2?) backpack -- wish my
Nico were more amenable. (I had to return my TB2 -- no use trying any more.)

On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 9:41 PM, Mike  wrote:

> Third week in a row that Ed and I got out for a ride and took in some new
> dirt roads. This week we went east to the Columbia River Gorge and
> Multnomah Falls. Once at Multnomah Falls we decided to climb up to Larch
> Mtn Rd via Palmer Mill Rd, a steep dirt road used by locals. The fact that
> it's dirt tends to scare away the tourist. We didn't see a single car on
> it. Towards where it intersects with a paved road we came to Brower Rd
> which is closed to motorized vehicles. We decided to explore it. Ed had
> ridden it in the summer a few years before in the summer. It intersects
> Larch Mtn Rd which climbs from Troutdale for 14 miles to the top of Larch
> Mtn. In the winter it's closed at milepost 10 and is covered in snow until
> May or so. As we rode up Brower we came across more and more snow. Against
> better judgment we continued on pushing our bikes through snow when it
> became too deep to ride. The snow was interspersed with snow free areas so
> we felt comfortable with keeping on in spite of us both wearing less than
> optimal shoes (Ed wearing Sidis and me wearing Sambas. We finally came out
> at mile post 10 on Larch Mtn Rd. Our feet were wet and cold, our brakes
> weren't really working and the road wasn't plowed. For the first couple of
> miles we descended in tire tracks which left "dry" exposed road. It was a
> bit sketchy but we survived. Once back in Troutdale it was a nice easy ride
> back into town after a stop for a V8 as I was having some cramping. I was
> worried about time but made it back into town with plenty of time to
> pick-up my dog Dirk from doggy day care. What a great day. I'll most likely
> ride tomorrow too although most likely a ramble through Forest Park and a
> trip to the library with some coffee drinking and reading in there
> somewhere.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/sets/72157633101635902/
>
> --mike
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[RBW] one WTB (Xtracycle) and one possible FS (VO Polyvalent)

[colinthehippie]

(Cross Post Alert for Bicycle Lifestyle readers!)

First: I'm looking to get an Xtracycle free radical, so if you have one you 
want to sell, I'd like to hear about it.  Email offlist please.

Second: I have a brand new built up very Rivish 57cm VO Polyvalent (green) 
with a VO headset, custom Surly SS wheelset, Fatty Rumpkins, VO porteur 
bars, VO porteur rack, Tektro canti brakes, cartridge BB (Shimano maybe), 
elkskin grips, Dia comple brakes.  Sprung Brooks saddle available (dark 
brown), but no seatpost or crank/pedals.  I'm thinking of selling this for 
$1,200 or so, but would first like to gauge interest.  Email me off list if 
you'd be interested.

Cheers,

Colin Cummings
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB bar end pods

[Ron Mc]

also with Campy and Zeus

On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 9:20:44 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Riv's bar-end pods are direct copies of Shimano's. They will work with 
> Silvers and Dura-Ace dt.
>
> On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 7:16:05 PM UTC-7, Alex Zeibot wrote:
>
>> Jim,
>> I have Dura Ace DT shifters but would love barcons.  Possible to convert 
>> them?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 9:04 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
>> thil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have tons of Shimano pods, which I think work with silver shifters 
>>> (correct me if I'm wrong). I can send you some.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 2:27:11 PM UTC-5, JL wrote:

 Does anyone have a spare set of bar end pods?

 or silver/ diacompe bar end shifters?

 reply offlist please

 Thanks
 Jason Leach
 SF, CA
  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki Shake Down Ride!

[Deacon Patrick]

I always ride (or run) so I can have an easy conversation. No doubt I look 
like I am, a bit over the edge, talking to myself. Grin. If you want to 
know more about this general approach and geek out on heart rate a formula, 
check out Phil Maffetone's Big Book of Endurance. The idea is to build up 
your aerobic fitness, so you go faster with the same effort after a while. 
Works really well. Have fun!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 6:28:27 AM UTC-6, Fullylugged wrote:
>
> As you ride more, this will improve. Riding at a pace (no matter how slow) 
> that you can enjoy the ride in and the surroundings you ride through helps 
> immensely. The improvement curve on stamina is usually quick. Hills for me 
> are definitely different than flat. I use other muscles to climb than go 
> flat and I can tell when they are out of practice on the first hill!
>
> Enjoy the bike :)
>
> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 5:11 AM, Michael Hechmer 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> Hurting - only a little - just a bit dismayed by my lack of punch on the 
>> pedals.  It felt like I bogged down on every little hill, and the head when 
>> on the 9 miles back.  
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Another All Rounder on the Bay.

[Bruce Herbitter]

Great looking bike and easily worth the asking price IMO. WHat would you
pay to get that as a custom today? Double what is asked for. It IS my size,
but I'd have to sell something to live up to my "bikes cash neutral"
promise to the Mrs. I like the bikes I already have, but someone will get a
nice ride here.  Reynolds 753 frame and 531 fork blades in that early
period.



>
> On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 8:48:14 PM UTC-6, Edwin W wrote:
>>
>>
>> If that frame sells for $1500, it sure did hold its value!
>> What did that frame set go for in 1995/6?
>>
>> Edwin
>>
>
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[RBW] Re: This week's adventure.

[Pondero]

I'm thinking maybe Dirk wants to join in when it is just a little warmer.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki Shake Down Ride!

[Bruce Herbitter]

As you ride more, this will improve. Riding at a pace (no matter how slow)
that you can enjoy the ride in and the surroundings you ride through helps
immensely. The improvement curve on stamina is usually quick. Hills for me
are definitely different than flat. I use other muscles to climb than go
flat and I can tell when they are out of practice on the first hill!

Enjoy the bike :)

On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 5:11 AM, Michael Hechmer  wrote:

> Hurting - only a little - just a bit dismayed by my lack of punch on the
> pedals.  It felt like I bogged down on every little hill, and the head when
> on the 9 miles back.
>
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[RBW] Re: Saluki Shake Down Ride!

[Michael Hechmer]

Hurting - only a little - just a bit dismayed by my lack of punch on the 
pedals.  It felt like I bogged down on every little hill, and the head when 
on the 9 miles back.  

On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 7:05:13 PM UTC-4, Michael wrote:
>
> Classy!! Looks like a very Riv-Rando-ready bike!! Congrats.
>>  
>>
> What did you mean by "mixed emotions?". Were you hurting after the ride? 
>

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[RBW] Re: This week's adventure.

[Deacon Patrick]

Great ride! I love the stunning tones my bike gives from fenders and snow 
continually working things out.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 9:41:44 PM UTC-6, Mike wrote:
>
> Third week in a row that Ed and I got out for a ride and took in some new 
> dirt roads. This week we went east to the Columbia River Gorge and 
> Multnomah Falls. Once at Multnomah Falls we decided to climb up to Larch 
> Mtn Rd via Palmer Mill Rd, a steep dirt road used by locals. The fact that 
> it's dirt tends to scare away the tourist. We didn't see a single car on 
> it. Towards where it intersects with a paved road we came to Brower Rd 
> which is closed to motorized vehicles. We decided to explore it. Ed had 
> ridden it in the summer a few years before in the summer. It intersects 
> Larch Mtn Rd which climbs from Troutdale for 14 miles to the top of Larch 
> Mtn. In the winter it's closed at milepost 10 and is covered in snow until 
> May or so. As we rode up Brower we came across more and more snow. Against 
> better judgment we continued on pushing our bikes through snow when it 
> became too deep to ride. The snow was interspersed with snow free areas so 
> we felt comfortable with keeping on in spite of us both wearing less than 
> optimal shoes (Ed wearing Sidis and me wearing Sambas. We finally came out 
> at mile post 10 on Larch Mtn Rd. Our feet were wet and cold, our brakes 
> weren't really working and the road wasn't plowed. For the first couple of 
> miles we descended in tire tracks which left "dry" exposed road. It was a 
> bit sketchy but we survived. Once back in Troutdale it was a nice easy ride 
> back into town after a stop for a V8 as I was having some cramping. I was 
> worried about time but made it back into town with plenty of time to 
> pick-up my dog Dirk from doggy day care. What a great day. I'll most likely 
> ride tomorrow too although most likely a ramble through Forest Park and a 
> trip to the library with some coffee drinking and reading in there 
> somewhere.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/sets/72157633101635902/
>
> --mike
>

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[RBW] Re: Another All Rounder on the Bay.

[IanA]

The US dollar is worth quite a but less though, at least compared to the 
CAD$.  In 1996, the Canadian dollar was worth about US$0.72.  Now 
its roughly at par.  So in 1996 an A/R ($1575 US) would have cost north of 
the border here CAD$2187. Now we would pay more-or-less the same, customs 
and shipping on top.  Even taking the devaluation of the US$ into 
consideration, the A/R has held its value incredibly well (especially if it 
makes $1500 at auction).  The A/R is still such an interesting bike and the 
fact that it lends itself to a simple 650b conversion just increases its 
versatility.  


On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 8:48:14 PM UTC-6, Edwin W wrote:
>
>
> If that frame sells for $1500, it sure did hold its value!
> What did that frame set go for in 1995/6?
>
> Edwin
>

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