[RBW] Getting a Bike on a Plane

[Esteban]

Some SWA agents must be sustaining a myth about a $50 charge for a "bicycle," 
as I have had an agent say so once. I said, "no, it is within the limits and I 
fly with it all the time on your airline." The manager came over, they looked 
up the rule, and I was good to go. Maybe like in college "if my professor is 15 
minutes late we can leave," which is a widely-held myth among undergraduates 
but totally untrue.

Sometimes I have been asked and they have me sign a waiver. That's fine. I have 
thought to respond "exercise equipment" or "push chair" but I usually say 
bicycle because I know I am in the right in terms of policy. Totally +1 for 
Skycap. Last vestige of the old way to fly before security lines, and TOTALLY 
worth the few bucks tip.

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[RBW] Re: Terrible News

[jpp]

How sad.  I have only known him through this group and flickr, but feel 
really saddened by his death.  

On Tuesday, July 9, 2013 3:03:07 PM UTC-4, Peter Pesce wrote:
>
> via Twitter:
>
> *ThePathLessPedaled* @*pathlesspedaled* 
> 
>  
>
> Just found out a reader from Durham was killed in a hit and run. RIP Seth 
> Vidal. http://bit.ly/1bljzbI 
> http://www.wral.com/bicyclist-killed-in-durham-hit-and-run/12639104/
>
> I do not know if this is the same person who is regular here. I did not 
> know him personally. The PLP video they link to features a nice guy on an 
> Atlantis. (If not, my apologies for causing undue grief.)
>
> Thoughts and prayers for his family and friends.
>
> -Pete in CT
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Re: [RBW] Chris King Headset

[ascpgh]

If Chris King made brake and derailleur cable I'd buy them.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh, PA

On Thursday, July 11, 2013 1:20:36 PM UTC-4, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:
>
> I agree that CK headsets are an extravagance. You can certainly get a 
> functional, durable headset for much less money. But let's face it, this is 
> a forum for fans of a bicycle company that sells frames that cost a minimum 
> of $1200 and complete bikes that could easily hit $5k. There are much less 
> costly frames and bikes thats serve the same function, right? In that 
> light, an extra $100 or so for an extravagant headset is just the tip of 
> the iceberg.
>
> On Wednesday, July 10, 2013 3:41:45 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> As with many pricey things you can put on a bicycle, sometimes "it's 
>> pretty, it's light, and I want it" are darn good reasons to put it there. 
>>  
>> Joe "not a headset geek, but I get it" Bernard
>> Vallejo, CA.
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 10, 2013 6:42:20 AM UTC-7, stevef wrote:
>>
>>> American designed and made, to exacting standards, in an 
>>> employee-friendly atmosphere, and an environmentally responsible way.  Lots 
>>> there to like IMO.That said, probably more financially justifiable for 
>>> a rough use mountain bike which puts a great deal more strain on a headset.
>>>
>>> Plus, the fine finish and colors-bike jewelry!  B-)
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Don Genovese  wrote:
>>>
 What's with the Chris King headset? I've owned at least twenty-five 
 bikes over the last thirty years, none with a Chris King headset. I've 
 never had a head set fail. Perhaps they will require replacement at some 
 time but I don't think they actually break. Why do people pay such 
 outrageous prices for a Chris King. IMO any headset is not worth that 
 price. Just my rant.
  
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bullmoose Boscos Miniumum Insertion

[Ron Mc]

When we put 26mm-clamp interrupter levers on my daughter's new build, to 
space them onto the 23.8mm bar, I cannibalized the rubber liners for a pair 
of large P-clamps, and they worked Perfectly - exact fit in the clamps.



filled the gap on the bar with yellow twine wrap.  

On Thursday, July 11, 2013 9:51:10 PM UTC-5, Peter M wrote:...

> ...The main bar is a constant 22.2mm all the way across, so Riv's 
>> interrupter levers, with 24mm clamps, wouldn't work without some sort of 
>> shim. Stems are 19.2mm, if anyone cares.
>>
>> -John in DC
>>
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Re: [RBW] No ruse shoes (or, no retention, NYT Style section

[Ron Mc]

I like plain old tennies with my clips and straps (not Converse, 
sierratradingpost closeouts - 
http://www.sierratradingpost.com/hummel-stadil-low-top-usa-shoes-canvas-sneakers-for-men~p~3399g/?filterString=s~men-sneaker%2F&colorFamily=01)
 
though I do use boat shoes for quick in and out errands.  
With my Grip Kings, Merrell Convertible sandals or Merrell Proterra Sport 
for toe cover.  I'm adverse to cleats.  

On Thursday, July 11, 2013 8:32:52 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Haven't yet gotten to BSNYC; this is one more encouragement.
>
> Who says I'm taking the NYT seriously? Not me! I forwarded the link only 
> for the "no ruse shoes" connection.
>
> I still think loose-as-you-want straps and street shoes are the ideal 
> "what, me worry?" shoe-to-pedal solution.
>
> On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 7:20 PM, Peter Morgano 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> Bike snob skewered that article hard today, it was hilarious. As a nyc 
>> rider I can tell you that one can ride the citi bike at 4mph for 10 minutes 
>> in wooden shoes if you want. Don't take anything the times says so 
>> seriously. 
>> On Jul 11, 2013 9:16 PM, "Patrick Moore" > 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/11/fashion/looking-smart-on-the-pedals.html?_r=0
>>>
>>> Personally, from my own experience, the ideal worry free shoe-and-pedal 
>>> system is loose-ish toe straps and boat shoes in summer, Safari boots in 
>>> winter. Both have soles that grip standard track or quill pedals, and with 
>>> the clips/straps you can fine tune the entry ease. 
>>>
>>> But, for me, riding fixed, clipless systems help me torque up climbs and 
>>> keep my foot still when spinning very fast. 
>>>
>>> Odd, I found it easy to get into, and to get out of, clips and straps 
>>> with fixed drivetrains, even using slotted cleats, and I find getting the 
>>> second foot into single sided SPD and Look pedals noticeably harder. I 
>>> think it's over anticipating with the second (right) clip in foot.
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell sighting what are the odds?

[Curtis McKenzie]

Hi Tom.

Beautiful bicycle. I ride along the Del Mar coast a few times each month. I
will keep an eye out for you. Did you remove the d ring on you clean
kanteens?

On Thursday, July 11, 2013, Tom Virgil wrote:

> Please allow me to introduce myself.  I am Tom Virgil and a Samuel
> Hillborne rider.  The new Rivendell bike entered my life in late May 2013.
>  I am still dialing the Sam in.  I live in Del Mar Heights, but often ride
> out to the beach on Carmel Valley Road.  You just might see another
> Rivendell out there; it's me.  I would be delighted to see one other than
> my own.  I am extremely pleased with my bike, but exercising some patience
> through the "honeymoon" before posting pros and cons.  I had great
> technical and sales support from Jared at Rivendell.  You can see my bike
> here .
>
> Best regards,
>
> Tom
>
> On Sunday, July 7, 2013 10:03:03 AM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> Went out for a short ramble South of Del Mar through Torrey Pines reserve
>> and just happened to run into another Hilsen on my way back, Curtis and his
>> 67cm Homer. I recall Curtis joining the bunch inquiring about San Diego
>> mixed terrain rides as he had just acquired his Rivendell. What are the
>> odds in SD county dominated with carbon that we'd run into each other? I'm
>> not a mathematician but it seems the odds would be pretty high. Then again
>> as the Rivendell anomaly amplifies the odds will be more favorable of such
>> serendipitous meetings.It was a nice end to a ride.
>>
>> Pictures prove that it happened.
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/**pedalpusher61/sets/**72157634506333058/
>>
>> ~Hugh
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[RBW] Re: Classy bottle

[LeahFoy]

Zack, so would you say the bottle doesn't change the taste? Some reviews said 
the bottle made their beverages taste strange. Like one could not have coffee, 
rinse and then have water. Yours tastes fine?

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell sighting what are the odds?

[Mike Schiller]

Nice bike Tom. I had a Hillborne and enjoyed it a lot.  I live a few miles 
north of you in Carlsbad. I ride along the coast down to your area quite 
often too.  
No Riv at this time but I have a few lugged steel customs with plenty of 
Riv parts.
~mike



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[RBW] Seattle Loding FOUND

[Eric Norris]

Lodging has been secured for my stay in Seattle! 

If you're on the STP ride tomorrow, look for me--I'll be wearing a Northern 
California Randonneurs jersey, riding a folding Dahon.

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[RBW] My wife's new Betty Foy

[Addison Wilhite]

Thought I'd pass along a few pics.  Today was her first commute on the
bike.  Still dialing a few things in but she's loving it.

http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2013/07/a-new-bike-in-family-betty-foy.html

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Re: [RBW] My wife's new Betty Foy

[Brian Hanson]

Another beautiful Betty!

Brian
Seattle, WA

Brian Hanson
Seattle, WA


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> Thought I'd pass along a few pics.  Today was her first commute on the
> bike.  Still dialing a few things in but she's loving it.
>
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Re: [RBW] My wife's new Betty Foy

[Patrick Moore]

She looks like a child at Christmas.

Aren't Rivendell bike packing jobs works of art in their own right?

On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Addison Wilhite
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> Thought I'd pass along a few pics.  Today was her first commute on the
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>
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Re: [RBW] My wife's new Betty Foy

[Addison Wilhite]

The bike packing job was almost too good.  It took me longer to unpack it
than to install the front brake/fender, rack and basket, saddle/seatpost.
 They are pretty amazing at packing.




On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 8:13 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> She looks like a child at Christmas.
>
> Aren't Rivendell bike packing jobs works of art in their own right?
>
> On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Addison Wilhite  > wrote:
>
>> Thought I'd pass along a few pics.  Today was her first commute on the
>> bike.  Still dialing a few things in but she's loving it.
>>
>>
>> http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2013/07/a-new-bike-in-family-betty-foy.html
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell sighting what are the odds?

[justinaugust]

In Philly? Seems rare. I have two - SimpleOne and Hillborne. I see a red 
All-Rounder (I think) some mornings.  To be fair though we have Bilenky's every 
30 feet it seems!

-J

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RE: [RBW] Re: Rivendell sighting what are the odds?

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

There's a green Quickbeam right around the corner from you, Justin (I think) -- 
48th and Cedar.

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In Philly? Seems rare. I have two - SimpleOne and Hillborne. I see a red 
All-Rounder (I think) some mornings.  To be fair though we have Bilenky's every 
30 feet it seems!

-J

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[RBW] Re: FS: Three (3!) very Rivish yet very different used bicycles

[William]

The RB-1 is now at it's new home back east.  The Miyata is still available. 
 

The Stumpjumper Sport only drew interest without the saddle and cockpit, so 
I've decided to re-offer it with a pizza menu buyback program.  

1.  Take the whole bike for $400 + shipping
2.  Subtract the saddle.  $350 + shipping
3.  Also subtract the cockpit from 2.  $250 + shipping
4.  Also subtract the crankset, BB and pedals from 3.  $200 + shipping
5.  Also subtract the complete wheelset from 4.  $120 + shipping
6.  Also subtract the brakes and derailers from 5, leaving frame, fork, 
headset and seatpost.  $100 + shipping

I live in the East Bay, so no charge shipping for pickup or delivery in the 
Bay Area.  

On Thursday, June 6, 2013 8:55:09 PM UTC-7, William wrote:
>
> So anyhow, here's the set for the Miyata
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/sets/72157629709054752/
>
> Here's the most representative photo
>
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/7345511078/in/set-72157629709054752
>
> Here's the set for the Stumpjumper
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/sets/72157630935094690/
>
> and the most representative photo
>
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/7824790510/in/set-72157630935094690
>

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Re: [RBW] My wife's new Betty Foy

[bwphoto]

What a beauty! I've been wanting to do the same for my wife after she gets 
her knee replacement, I'd love to get  her off of the Townie she is riding 
now. 

On Friday, July 12, 2013 10:18:19 AM UTC-5, Addison wrote:
>
> The bike packing job was almost too good.  It took me longer to unpack it 
> than to install the front brake/fender, rack and basket, saddle/seatpost. 
>  They are pretty amazing at packing.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 8:13 AM, Patrick Moore 
> > wrote:
>
>> She looks like a child at Christmas.
>>
>> Aren't Rivendell bike packing jobs works of art in their own right?
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Addison Wilhite 
>> 
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Thought I'd pass along a few pics.  Today was her first commute on the 
>>> bike.  Still dialing a few things in but she's loving it.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2013/07/a-new-bike-in-family-betty-foy.html
>>>
>>> Regards,
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[RBW] Re: My wife's new Betty Foy

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>
> Congrats!!  That looks like one fun bike!! 
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[RBW] Re: My wife's new Betty Foy

[Deacon Patrick]

Right, er, ride on! Grin. Beautiful bike.

With abandon,
Patrick

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>
> Thought I'd pass along a few pics.  Today was her first commute on the 
> bike.  Still dialing a few things in but she's loving it.
>
>
> http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2013/07/a-new-bike-in-family-betty-foy.html
>
> Regards,
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[RBW] Synergy rims

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

I've seen several complaints again recently about Synergy's cracking.
I had mine built about 2 years ago and they are fine.
Anybody know if the issue was particular to US or  Aussie rims, or just 
luck of the draw?
I decided to spring for hand built wheels (36 hole Synergies, XT hubs, 
14/15 guage spokes) to avoid having to mess with them.  I just checked mine 
and they are a just little worn, nothing you wouldn't expect after 2 years 
of daily use. Living over here, far away from reasonably prices shipping, I 
do get nervous when I read stories about people having to replace them, 
sometimes more than once.

Jay 

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[RBW] Re: Synergy rims

[William]

Everything I've read about the cracking issues has been limited to a batch 
a few years back.  Everything I've read that is current tends to agree that 
they are great rims, except for the difficulty many have getting tires to 
run straight on them.  I have four sets of 650B synergy wheels in the 
stable, and they are all fine and all over 2 years old, too.  

On Friday, July 12, 2013 10:28:56 AM UTC-7, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>
> I've seen several complaints again recently about Synergy's cracking.
> I had mine built about 2 years ago and they are fine.
> Anybody know if the issue was particular to US or  Aussie rims, or just 
> luck of the draw?
> I decided to spring for hand built wheels (36 hole Synergies, XT hubs, 
> 14/15 guage spokes) to avoid having to mess with them.  I just checked mine 
> and they are a just little worn, nothing you wouldn't expect after 2 years 
> of daily use. Living over here, far away from reasonably prices shipping, I 
> do get nervous when I read stories about people having to replace them, 
> sometimes more than once.
>
> Jay 
>

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[RBW] Re: Synergy rims

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

Glad to hear it. Mine are 700c.

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[RBW] Re: Synergy rims

[Mike Schiller]

I don't know if you saw Chris's set.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/11446716@N07/9251360500/  
And I've heard of another like this as well.  

Enough data for me to stay away from them with new wheel builds.

~mike




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[RBW] Re: Bent saddle rails

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

Saddle is creaking so I called S-A. They very generously offered me a 
discounted price for a new one, which I happily accepted. It's on back 
order now which is fine with me. They suggested I try their new Truleather 
this time, which is apparently longer lasting but less waterproof. I'll 
report back here when I get a few miles in on it.

I briefly considered going back to Brooks B17 instead, and I realized 
something. I had always thought the B17 could be a bit wider for me. The 
S-A is 10mm less wide than the Brooks but it feels just right to me. 
Clearly there is another factor besides width at play. In any case the S-A 
fits me and I will be happy to have a new one. 

The broken one was getting close to the end of its tension screw anyway, 
after too short a time (18 months). Hopefully the new (and improved) one 
will last longer.

Jay

On Friday, July 5, 2013 5:17:36 PM UTC+3, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I am glad you are OK and all injuries were minor. I second Ron's input 
> that the saddle is shot. On a possible lessons to learn note -- have you 
> practiced your emergency hard stop lately? Per Sheldon:
>
> "Jobst Brandt has a quite plausible theory that the typical 
> "over-the-bars" crash is caused, not so much by braking too hard, but by 
> braking hard without using the rider's arms to brace against the 
> deceleration: The bike stops, the rider keeps going until the rider's 
> thighs bump into the handlebars, and the bike, which is no longer 
> supporting the weight of the rider, flips."
>
> "It is important to use your arms to brace yourself securely during hard 
> braking, to prevent this. Indeed, good technique involves moving back on 
> your saddle as far as you can comfortably go, to keep the center of gravity 
> as far back as possible. This applies whether you are using the front, rear 
> or both brakes."
> http://sheldonbrown.com/brakturn.html
>
> I've done a hard stop on a loose gravel hill (unridable section suddenly 
> appeared where it had looked rideable) with a rear heavy touring load and 
> while I didn't flip, the rear of the bike ended up in front and I was 
> laughing so hard I couldn't stop for five minutes.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Thursday, July 4, 2013 11:58:00 PM UTC-6, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>>
>> I did an endo on my Sam a few weeks ago, described below if anyone is 
>> interested.
>> Saddle is Selle Anatomica mounted on a VO 2-bolt seatpost with lots of 
>> setback.
>> The rails of the saddle got pretty bent but I was able to readjust the 
>> angles and position to where I like it.
>> There is a bit of up and down play if I push the back of the saddle with 
>> my hand, but for all I know it was always like that.
>> Is this OK or should I be looking for a new saddle?
>>
>> Jay
>>
>> Circumstances of endo, if anyone is interested:
>> 1. Infrastructure - 2 way bike lane next to a fast interurban road, 1 
>> lane in each direction, clearly marked with freshly painted bikes and 
>> arrows every 100 feet or so
>> 2. Me - Downhill in the correct lane at 25 mph on my Sam. 2nd day with 
>> the Albas and proper levers for v-brakes which replaced the Tektro hack for 
>> road bars and v-s
>> 3. Obstacle - Some dude riding uphill straight at me in the wrong lane. 
>> Guess he didn't understand the meaning of the freshly painted white arrows 
>> every 100 feet?
>> 4. Result - "hey" -> nothing, I move left, he moves right, I hit brakes 
>> too hard and flip, collision avoided, me on pavement
>> 5. Injuries - nothing major, I was a bit banged up and sore for a few 
>> weeks after but after a short rest I rode the rest of the way to work and 
>> cleaned up there
>> Unfortunately, as far as I know there is no video of what must have been 
>> a very impressive somersault.
>>
>

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[RBW] Tightening the curve on fenders with arc too large for the wheels.

[Patrick Moore]

I bought and installed a pair of PB Cascadia fenders, I think they're the
45 mm width, on the '03 Riv yesterday -- slow day at Stevie's, and I
decided paying full $39 pop instead of taking my discount allowed me
ethically to install them at the shop. They work fine, but of course their
natural arc has to be tightened to fit closely over the 559X32 wheels. This
leaves a noticeable bulge in the front fender just aft of the crown.

Is there any way to get rid of this bulge? I have to admit that the motive
is as much aesthetic as practical -- and no doubt as much pathological
neat-mindedness as aesthetic.

I have thought of:

1. slitting the edges, letting them overlap, and then gluing.
2. clamping: using the rear's plastic seatstay bridge mounting clip (with
the tab cut off) as a sort of brace/stiffener.

Other ideas? Comments and advice? ("Go boil yer head!" "Get a life!" "Yeah,
shut up, already.")

These fenders will stay on only during our brief seasons of precipitation
-- otherwise I would have tracked down a nice set of metal fenders.

Request: regarding #2 above: I tossed said clip yesterday, so if this is
workable I'll need another. Anyone?

Too bad that the nice pair of SKS 700cX35s generously donated by Ryan
Watson were too narrow for the Kojas, but they will do well for the Ram
with its Parigi Roubaix.

Oh, and this: The '03 Curt-built has the very carefully arranged clearance
allowed by "normal" reach brake arches, so that there are at least 3 and
probably 4-5 mm of clearance at the tight spots under crown and brake
bridge, this with 559X1.35 Kojaks that measure 32 mm on the narrow Sun
semi-aero rims.

Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: Classy bottle

[Zack]

In my experience the bottle itself doesn't impart any taste.  If I have 
coffee in the morning and just rinse with a tiny bit of water (like on the 
road) it has a faint hint of coffee.  If I have coffee and then wash it out 
with a little dish soap and water, it is totally taste-free.


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[RBW] Re: Bent saddle rails

[Ron Mc]

I thought they were the same width, within 2mm

On Friday, July 12, 2013 2:17:51 PM UTC-5, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>
> Saddle is creaking so I called S-A. They very generously offered me a 
> discounted price for a new one, which I happily accepted. It's on back 
> order now which is fine with me. They suggested I try their new Truleather 
> this time, which is apparently longer lasting but less waterproof. I'll 
> report back here when I get a few miles in on it.
>
> I briefly considered going back to Brooks B17 instead, and I realized 
> something. I had always thought the B17 could be a bit wider for me. The 
> S-A is 10mm less wide than the Brooks but it feels just right to me. 
> Clearly there is another factor besides width at play. In any case the S-A 
> fits me and I will be happy to have a new one. 
>
> The broken one was getting close to the end of its tension screw anyway, 
> after too short a time (18 months). Hopefully the new (and improved) one 
> will last longer.
>
> Jay
>
> On Friday, July 5, 2013 5:17:36 PM UTC+3, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> I am glad you are OK and all injuries were minor. I second Ron's input 
>> that the saddle is shot. On a possible lessons to learn note -- have you 
>> practiced your emergency hard stop lately? Per Sheldon:
>>
>> "Jobst Brandt has a quite plausible theory that the typical 
>> "over-the-bars" crash is caused, not so much by braking too hard, but by 
>> braking hard without using the rider's arms to brace against the 
>> deceleration: The bike stops, the rider keeps going until the rider's 
>> thighs bump into the handlebars, and the bike, which is no longer 
>> supporting the weight of the rider, flips."
>>
>> "It is important to use your arms to brace yourself securely during hard 
>> braking, to prevent this. Indeed, good technique involves moving back on 
>> your saddle as far as you can comfortably go, to keep the center of gravity 
>> as far back as possible. This applies whether you are using the front, rear 
>> or both brakes."
>> http://sheldonbrown.com/brakturn.html
>>
>> I've done a hard stop on a loose gravel hill (unridable section suddenly 
>> appeared where it had looked rideable) with a rear heavy touring load and 
>> while I didn't flip, the rear of the bike ended up in front and I was 
>> laughing so hard I couldn't stop for five minutes.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Thursday, July 4, 2013 11:58:00 PM UTC-6, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>>>
>>> I did an endo on my Sam a few weeks ago, described below if anyone is 
>>> interested.
>>> Saddle is Selle Anatomica mounted on a VO 2-bolt seatpost with lots of 
>>> setback.
>>> The rails of the saddle got pretty bent but I was able to readjust the 
>>> angles and position to where I like it.
>>> There is a bit of up and down play if I push the back of the saddle with 
>>> my hand, but for all I know it was always like that.
>>> Is this OK or should I be looking for a new saddle?
>>>
>>> Jay
>>>
>>> Circumstances of endo, if anyone is interested:
>>> 1. Infrastructure - 2 way bike lane next to a fast interurban road, 1 
>>> lane in each direction, clearly marked with freshly painted bikes and 
>>> arrows every 100 feet or so
>>> 2. Me - Downhill in the correct lane at 25 mph on my Sam. 2nd day with 
>>> the Albas and proper levers for v-brakes which replaced the Tektro hack for 
>>> road bars and v-s
>>> 3. Obstacle - Some dude riding uphill straight at me in the wrong lane. 
>>> Guess he didn't understand the meaning of the freshly painted white arrows 
>>> every 100 feet?
>>> 4. Result - "hey" -> nothing, I move left, he moves right, I hit brakes 
>>> too hard and flip, collision avoided, me on pavement
>>> 5. Injuries - nothing major, I was a bit banged up and sore for a few 
>>> weeks after but after a short rest I rode the rest of the way to work and 
>>> cleaned up there
>>> Unfortunately, as far as I know there is no video of what must have been 
>>> a very impressive somersault.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Bent saddle rails

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

I looked it up. 170 and 160 millimeters. 

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[RBW] WTB: Bag for a Mark's Rack

[Johnny Alien]

I am looking for one of those Trunksacks or whatever the earlier variants 
were called. I am not really concerned about extra wear or anything.

Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: My wife's new Betty Foy

[LeahFoy]

She's as cute as her new bike! Congrats and enjoy!
Leah

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[RBW] Re: Synergy rims

[Scott G.]

I cracked a Synergy 700OCR in 2008, wheel was built in 2006 IIRC.
Rebuilt wheel with another Synergy OCR  2008, wheel has been fine since.

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Re: [RBW] Chris King Headset

[Garth]

I spent $100 for an American Classic Trilock Headset back in '99 and would 
do it again if they still made them :)   
Grease injection, cartridge bearings(replaceable) , and the locknut only 
requires a 2.5mm allen wrench. What's not to like.
Oh yeah ... it looks way cool too :) 
Priceless ! 

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[RBW] Re: Tightening the curve on fenders with arc too large for the wheels.

[Michael]

>
> I have same problem with my Longboards over 650b wheels. The front of the 
> fender pokes out like a dirt bike fender over the front tire.
>
Longboards are made for 28" wheels, according to their website. 
 
At this point though, I am not too worried about fender line. I just want 
to ride and not have the tires rub the fenders. So now I just adjust 
them for function not looks. Too hard to get them just so. But I do wish I 
could get that front fender nose clearance tight.
 

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[RBW] Re: No ruse shoes (or, no retention, NYT Style section

[Garth]

Birkenstocks for me , and Wellgo MG-1 BMX pedals :)   My feet are 
positioned midfoot over the pedal, and with the cleats of the pedals 
sticking into the soles of shoes, my feet don't move at all. Up 20 some 
percent gradients standing or sitting, and screaming downhill at 120 RPM's 
.  I can ride the same as I ever did in full racing mode with Time pedals 
and all, but I'm in no hurry to bust my butt anymore as there is truly 
nowhere to go ... but KnowingWhereIAM :)

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Re: [RBW] Chris King Headset

[Brewster Fong]

Agree. What made CK's reputation was it was one of the first to use and 
probably more importantly *market* angular cartridge contact bearings. I 
know when I bought my Calfee back in 1997, there was only CK and Cane Creek 
who offered this option. Neither Campy, which was my first choice, nor 
Shimano which also had angular cartridge bearings, made a threadless at 
that time. The CK was about $100 and the CC was $80. I bought the CK and 
never looked back. Further, CK was one of the first to offer anodized 
colors and you could make your headset have multiple colors too! This was 
all the rage back in the 90s when anodized cnc parts were in fashion. That 
it is made in the US is the icing on the cake! Good Luck!

On Thursday, July 11, 2013 10:20:36 AM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:
>
> I agree that CK headsets are an extravagance. You can certainly get a 
> functional, durable headset for much less money. But let's face it, this is 
> a forum for fans of a bicycle company that sells frames that cost a minimum 
> of $1200 and complete bikes that could easily hit $5k. There are much less 
> costly frames and bikes thats serve the same function, right? In that 
> light, an extra $100 or so for an extravagant headset is just the tip of 
> the iceberg.
>
> On Wednesday, July 10, 2013 3:41:45 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> As with many pricey things you can put on a bicycle, sometimes "it's 
>> pretty, it's light, and I want it" are darn good reasons to put it there. 
>>  
>> Joe "not a headset geek, but I get it" Bernard
>> Vallejo, CA.
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 10, 2013 6:42:20 AM UTC-7, stevef wrote:
>>
>>> American designed and made, to exacting standards, in an 
>>> employee-friendly atmosphere, and an environmentally responsible way.  Lots 
>>> there to like IMO.That said, probably more financially justifiable for 
>>> a rough use mountain bike which puts a great deal more strain on a headset.
>>>
>>> Plus, the fine finish and colors-bike jewelry!  B-)
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Don Genovese  wrote:
>>>
 What's with the Chris King headset? I've owned at least twenty-five 
 bikes over the last thirty years, none with a Chris King headset. I've 
 never had a head set fail. Perhaps they will require replacement at some 
 time but I don't think they actually break. Why do people pay such 
 outrageous prices for a Chris King. IMO any headset is not worth that 
 price. Just my rant.
  
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[RBW] Northwest Roadtrip with bikes

[franklyn]

A couple of weeks ago I asked the list for some suggestions on places to 
ride for my Pacific NW roadtrip. We ended up staying twice in Portland with 
a 3-night bike-camping trip in the San Juan Islands. It was great. 

We didn't get out of Portland for any ride, but rode all over town for the 
total 4 nights we stayed. On the islands we stayed at Lopez and Orcas, and 
visited San Juan Island. The ride on the west shore of San Juan, and on 
Orcas were spectacular, especially riding from Eastsound to the top of Mt 
Constitution in Moran State Park. Here are some pictures from the trip. We 
both rode 650b-wheeled bikes, where my wife carried her load on a tubus 
rear rack on her 82' Trek 720 and I carried most of the load upfront on my 
Sequoia with a kogswell low-trail fork. Both bikes worked great as touring 
bikes. I saw David's (cyclotourist) flickr pictures on his visit to 
Portland and am a little envious he got to ride with some folks around 
town, but we had a good time. Next time!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/franklyn/collections/72157634576427083/

best,
Franklyn

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Re: [RBW] Chris King Headset

[Matthew J]

I like CK headsets and have used them on a number of builds over the years. 
 But the loud logo even in the soto voce and Ti versions does not move me.

My last three builds have silver Cane Creek 110s.  Also made in the US. 
 Pretty darn lovely in my opinion.  Silver version the logo is all but 
invisible.  So far no issues three years in my CC phase.

On Wednesday, July 10, 2013 8:42:20 AM UTC-5, stevef wrote:
>
> American designed and made, to exacting standards, in an employee-friendly 
> atmosphere, and an environmentally responsible way.  Lots there to like 
> IMO.That said, probably more financially justifiable for a rough use 
> mountain bike which puts a great deal more strain on a headset.
>
> Plus, the fine finish and colors-bike jewelry!  B-)
>
> Steve
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Don Genovese 
> > wrote:
>
>> What's with the Chris King headset? I've owned at least twenty-five bikes 
>> over the last thirty years, none with a Chris King headset. I've never had 
>> a head set fail. Perhaps they will require replacement at some time but I 
>> don't think they actually break. Why do people pay such outrageous prices 
>> for a Chris King. IMO any headset is not worth that price. Just my rant.
>>  
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[RBW] Bikepacking with kids

[Deacon Patrick]

My eldest daughter (12 1/2) is interested in joining me for doing a section of 
the Colorado Trail (high alpine single track), the plan is to travel 10-15 
miles a day (necessitated by water locations in some instances) and be 
surprised if we want/can do more. We have easy outs multiple places along the 
way, can turn around whenever, the ability to camp in one place for multiple 
days, so a lot of flexibility to go as fast or slow as she wants however short 
or long she wants. I'm putting her in charge of all decisions for the trip (how 
far we go, where we stop, etc, so she will need to manage water and our energy, 
take into account timing of afternoon monsoon boomers, etc.)

My primary goal is to make it a wonderful, fun, enjoyable experience for her. 
How far we go, how long we are out do not even matter.  She's done two nights 
before, in addition to family car camping, but the touring aspect will be new.

She will be bringing art and writing supplies, we'll share a three-person tent, 
I'll carry everything but her clothes, sleeping bag, pad, water, and immediate 
food, so I'll be slowed down a fair bit, possibly down to her pace.

Wisdom from those who have gone before me? I'd love to hear it.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Goines poster sold.

[IPATOM]

The Goines poster recently posted has been sold.  Thx.

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[RBW] Re: Northwest Roadtrip with bikes

[Deacon Patrick]

Wonderful! Thanks for sharing!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, July 12, 2013 6:46:20 PM UTC-6, franklyn wrote:
>
> A couple of weeks ago I asked the list for some suggestions on places to 
> ride for my Pacific NW roadtrip. We ended up staying twice in Portland with 
> a 3-night bike-camping trip in the San Juan Islands. It was great. 
>
> We didn't get out of Portland for any ride, but rode all over town for the 
> total 4 nights we stayed. On the islands we stayed at Lopez and Orcas, and 
> visited San Juan Island. The ride on the west shore of San Juan, and on 
> Orcas were spectacular, especially riding from Eastsound to the top of Mt 
> Constitution in Moran State Park. Here are some pictures from the trip. We 
> both rode 650b-wheeled bikes, where my wife carried her load on a tubus 
> rear rack on her 82' Trek 720 and I carried most of the load upfront on my 
> Sequoia with a kogswell low-trail fork. Both bikes worked great as touring 
> bikes. I saw David's (cyclotourist) flickr pictures on his visit to 
> Portland and am a little envious he got to ride with some folks around 
> town, but we had a good time. Next time!
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/franklyn/collections/72157634576427083/
>
> best,
> Franklyn
>

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[RBW] Bikepacking with kids

[murphyjrfk]

I've got nothing on advice Patrick, but I also have a daughter rapidly 
approaching that age and I'd love to hear about your trip when it's over! Have 
a blast!

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[RBW] Re: Bikepacking with kids

[Deacon Patrick]

I'll screw up so you don't have to! Grin. All the hard learned advice I 
have is pretty much in my original post: go their speed and distance. The 
adventure itself will push them, so no need for some arbitrary, imposed 
pushing by me. We've worked up over the past year to her being able to do 
these kinds of distances, but I've never biked this trail, so we'll be 
exploring it together. I'm hoping she gets drawn into the "what's around 
the bend" syndrome and wants to keep going for more than the 4-5 days I 
need to be gone to avoid a loud town event.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, July 12, 2013 7:21:42 PM UTC-6, murphyjrfk wrote:
>
> I've got nothing on advice Patrick, but I also have a daughter rapidly 
> approaching that age and I'd love to hear about your trip when it's over! 
> Have a blast!

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Re: [RBW] Bikepacking with kids

[Robert Barr]

Me as well Patrick. My eldest daughter will be 11 in August. My daughter's
(my younger daughter will be 8 in August) have been a wonder to me since
they were born. We have progressed to riding the local trails as a family
and with the pleasure they seem to have in riding together, I have no idea
where this adventure will lead, but I will forever be grateful for the
opportunity. Keep us posted on your adventure. With big smiles - Bob



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> I've got nothing on advice Patrick, but I also have a daughter rapidly
> approaching that age and I'd love to hear about your trip when it's over!
> Have a blast!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Classy bottle

[steel lugs]

Speaking of classy bottles (albeit, at a premium of ~$75):

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1900584124/the-coloral-company-the-rebirth-of-a-british-cycli



On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 10:04 AM, LeahFoy  wrote:

> Zack, so would you say the bottle doesn't change the taste? Some reviews
> said the bottle made their beverages taste strange. Like one could not have
> coffee, rinse and then have water. Yours tastes fine?
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell sighting what are the odds?

[Tom Virgil]

Good to know you are out there and about.  I often ride from Villa De La 
Valle to Encinitas and then along Neptune in Leucadia.  It is a nice sea 
side cruise.

The D rings on the bamboo topped Klean Kanteens were rattling, so I removed 
them.  I tucked them into a pocket in one of the bags in case I have a 
change of heart.

On Friday, July 12, 2013 6:41:24 AM UTC-7, Curtis wrote:
>
> Hi Tom.
>
> Beautiful bicycle. I ride along the Del Mar coast a few times each month. 
> I will keep an eye out for you. Did you remove the d ring on you clean 
> kanteens?
>
> On Thursday, July 11, 2013, Tom Virgil wrote:
>
>> Please allow me to introduce myself.  I am Tom Virgil and a Samuel 
>> Hillborne rider.  The new Rivendell bike entered my life in late May 2013. 
>>  I am still dialing the Sam in.  I live in Del Mar Heights, but often ride 
>> out to the beach on Carmel Valley Road.  You just might see another 
>> Rivendell out there; it's me.  I would be delighted to see one other than 
>> my own.  I am extremely pleased with my bike, but exercising some patience 
>> through the "honeymoon" before posting pros and cons.  I had great 
>> technical and sales support from Jared at Rivendell.  You can see my bike 
>> here .
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> On Sunday, July 7, 2013 10:03:03 AM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>>>
>>> Went out for a short ramble South of Del Mar through Torrey Pines 
>>> reserve and just happened to run into another Hilsen on my way back, Curtis 
>>> and his 67cm Homer. I recall Curtis joining the bunch inquiring about San 
>>> Diego mixed terrain rides as he had just acquired his Rivendell. What are 
>>> the odds in SD county dominated with carbon that we'd run into each other? 
>>> I'm not a mathematician but it seems the odds would be pretty high. Then 
>>> again as the Rivendell anomaly amplifies the odds will be more favorable of 
>>> such serendipitous meetings.It was a nice end to a ride.
>>>
>>> Pictures prove that it happened.
>>>
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/**pedalpusher61/sets/**72157634506333058/
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell sighting what are the odds?

[Tom Virgil]

Lugged steel customs with plenty of Riv parts sounds pretty cool to me.  I 
have seen Boxer bicycles, Boulder bicycles, and Seven (OK, OK, one of 
theirs is titanium).  Some of the special projects I have seen are gorgeous 
Llewellyn 
Voyageur(well
 beyond my budget, though).

On Friday, July 12, 2013 7:07:27 AM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote:
>
> Nice bike Tom. I had a Hillborne and enjoyed it a lot.  I live a few miles 
> north of you in Carlsbad. I ride along the coast down to your area quite 
> often too.  
> No Riv at this time but I have a few lugged steel customs with plenty of 
> Riv parts.
> ~mike
>
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[RBW] Re: My wife's new Betty Foy

[Cecily Walker]

I'm so envious. I'm eagerly awaiting the day when I've saved up enough to 
put in my own order. 

I hope she and Betty are very happy together!

On Friday, July 12, 2013 8:00:17 AM UTC-7, Addison wrote:
>
> Thought I'd pass along a few pics.  Today was her first commute on the 
> bike.  Still dialing a few things in but she's loving it.
>
>
> http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2013/07/a-new-bike-in-family-betty-foy.html
>
> Regards,
>
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[RBW] Re: My wife's new Betty Foy

[KLA]

Beautiful!  What size and what stem length, thanks, Kate


On Friday, July 12, 2013 11:00:17 AM UTC-4, Addison wrote:
>
> Thought I'd pass along a few pics.  Today was her first commute on the 
> bike.  Still dialing a few things in but she's loving it.
>
>
> http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2013/07/a-new-bike-in-family-betty-foy.html
>
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Re: [RBW] WTB- Betty Foy or Glorius

[DianeB]

Thank you, Michael!

On Thursday, July 11, 2013 6:45:21 AM UTC-6, Michael wrote:
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[RBW] Rocket fuel

[Paul Germain]

I'll bet this kept the tailgaters at bay!


Paul Germain
Midlothian, Va.



 Rocket fuel
bwphoto  Jul 09 12:05PM -0700  

Over the weekend we ran out of propane for the grill and we had an extra 
empty canister that needed to go back ...a fitting job for super bike. I 
get our propane from the local hardware store which is a measly 3 miles 
away and I don't drive for short trips and seldom drive for much else, if 
the destination and route is bike friendly I ride whatever bike fits the 
task. Hardware store runs usually require the Xtracycle and more often than 
not require wide loaders. Instead of loading both sides of the X with 
empties I hitched up the trailer. Since I built the X the trailer has been 
sitting idle so I wanted to see how it worked with the X.
 
Other than getting a few entertaining looks and a little kid telling his 
mom he wanted one pulling the trailer was pretty uneventful, I did notice 
the absence of the second tank on the return trip. I have to say having a 
cargo bike is really convenient and with 2" Big Apples it is my errand bike 
of choice.
 
Here's a link to see the set up: 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/billweaverphoto/9247791331/in/set-72157634563525565/
 
I keep thinking of the possibility of a Riv long tail...

 

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[RBW] Conti Tour Ride 650B x 54

[Johnny Alien]

Anyone riding these?  I am interested in some feedback on them.  I am 
looking for a good all around tire. It will be used on light trails as well 
as the road.  Probably the road 80% off the time. (But not fast road riding)

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Re: [RBW] Bikepacking with kids

[Deacon Patrick]

Happy to share our experience. She's both excited and apprehensive, so 
she's already wiser than I am. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, July 12, 2013 7:33:49 PM UTC-6, Robert Barr wrote:
>
> Me as well Patrick. My eldest daughter will be 11 in August. My daughter's 
> (my younger daughter will be 8 in August) have been a wonder to me since 
> they were born. We have progressed to riding the local trails as a family 
> and with the pleasure they seem to have in riding together, I have no idea 
> where this adventure will lead, but I will forever be grateful for the 
> opportunity. Keep us posted on your adventure. With big smiles - Bob
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 9:21 PM, murphyjrfk 
> > wrote:
>
>> I've got nothing on advice Patrick, but I also have a daughter rapidly 
>> approaching that age and I'd love to hear about your trip when it's over! 
>> Have a blast!
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[RBW] Conti Tour Ride 650B x 54

[Manuel Acosta]

I was told they are pretty good mixed terrain tire u coulf wait I hear Merry 
sales is coming out with a mixed terrain tire. Also the soma express b line is 
a fast road tire good on trail

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Re: [RBW] Conti Tour Ride 650B x 54

[Dan McNamara]

I have them on the Bombadil right now. Using the bike as kid hauler. 

They are stout. No buzzing or anything annoying. I have had them on fire roads 
a few times and they were good. 

No complaints about them - they seem like decent all around bike tires. I think 
they are measuring about 47 on the Synergy rims. 

Hope this helps. 

Dan

-Marin

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> Anyone riding these?  I am interested in some feedback on them.  I am looking 
> for a good all around tire. It will be used on light trails as well as the 
> road.  Probably the road 80% off the time. (But not fast road riding)
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[RBW] Shortish Mixed terrain tomorrow.

[Manuel Acosta]

Meet at Fremont Bart 9ish. SHORTISH mixed terrain up Mission Peak. Ramen lunch 
afterwords. PM if ur interested.

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[RBW] Re: Conti Tour Ride 650B x 54

[Johnny Alien]

Currently my build is set to come with the Schwalbe Marathons which I think 
come out to around 38mm.  They are actually heavier than the Conti's. I was 
just curious as to what people thought of them.  The Soma B Line remind me 
alot of the Col de Vie tires which I used for a long time.  They are nice 
but I was looking for something a bit fatter hopefully. I am not a fan of 
skinwalls anymore for some reason.
 
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> Anyone riding these?  I am interested in some feedback on them.  I am 
> looking for a good all around tire. It will be used on light trails as well 
> as the road.  Probably the road 80% off the time. (But not fast road riding)

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Re: [RBW] Bikepacking with kids

[Robert Barr]

If we are wise we learn from children



On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 9:52 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Happy to share our experience. She's both excited and apprehensive, so
> she's already wiser than I am. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Friday, July 12, 2013 7:33:49 PM UTC-6, Robert Barr wrote:
>
>> Me as well Patrick. My eldest daughter will be 11 in August. My
>> daughter's (my younger daughter will be 8 in August) have been a wonder to
>> me since they were born. We have progressed to riding the local trails as a
>> family and with the pleasure they seem to have in riding together, I have
>> no idea where this adventure will lead, but I will forever be grateful for
>> the opportunity. Keep us posted on your adventure. With big smiles - Bob
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 9:21 PM, murphyjrfk  wrote:
>>
>>> I've got nothing on advice Patrick, but I also have a daughter rapidly
>>> approaching that age and I'd love to hear about your trip when it's over!
>>> Have a blast!
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Re: [RBW] Bikepacking with kids

[Shoji Takahashi]

One suggestion: if you find a nice place to camp, don't be afraid to stay 
there. Instead, take a day ride or two and go back to base camp. Sometimes 
it's nice not having to pack up and go some place. It'll also give her time 
for her art and/or writing. 

Happy camping, Patrick.

(We're off for car camping later this weekend. We'll go to the swimming 
hole, take a hike, go to the playground, or probably spend a lot of time 
picking up sticks and rocks.)



On Friday, July 12, 2013 10:09:54 PM UTC-4, Robert Barr wrote:
>
> If we are wise we learn from children
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 9:52 PM, Deacon Patrick 
> > wrote:
>
>> Happy to share our experience. She's both excited and apprehensive, so 
>> she's already wiser than I am. Grin.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>> On Friday, July 12, 2013 7:33:49 PM UTC-6, Robert Barr wrote:
>>
>>> Me as well Patrick. My eldest daughter will be 11 in August. My 
>>> daughter's (my younger daughter will be 8 in August) have been a wonder to 
>>> me since they were born. We have progressed to riding the local trails as a 
>>> family and with the pleasure they seem to have in riding together, I have 
>>> no idea where this adventure will lead, but I will forever be grateful for 
>>> the opportunity. Keep us posted on your adventure. With big smiles - Bob
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 9:21 PM, murphyjrfk  wrote:
>>>
 I've got nothing on advice Patrick, but I also have a daughter rapidly 
 approaching that age and I'd love to hear about your trip when it's over! 
 Have a blast!

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[RBW] Re: No ruse shoes (or, no retention, NYT Style section

[Michael]

>
> These are great for cycling. The sole is stiff enough so that I don't feel 
> like the pedal is bending the sole. Even when standing it is great. Plenty 
> of support.
>
 
> http://www.llbean.com/llb/shop/59314?feat=592-GN1&page=men-s-comfort-mocs-leather
>
 
For pedals, I use MKS Touring, with or without toe clips - never-straps.
 
I am so glad I stopped using clipless pedals. It is fun to just jump off 
the bike and walk normally. And I don't have to pay a fortune for shoes and 
pedals anymore.

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[RBW] Portland Bound

[Adam]

Greetings Portlanders,

My wife and I are currently traveling around the San Juan islands on her 
Atlantis and my Hillborne. I wrote the list some time ago for recommendations 
about our journey and a few Portland locals suggested getting together while we 
were in town. We still have a week or so on the road, riding primarily through 
the cascades between here and Portland, and I thought I should throw out a 
potential time to meet up. Our plan is to arrive in Portland sometime around 
the 18th. I was thinking it would be great to grab a beer with some of you good 
folks on the evening of Friday the 19th. I've heard Velo Cult is a great place 
but am open to other suggestions. Anyone game?

Warmly,
Adam

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Re: [RBW] Bikepacking with kids

[Deacon Patrick]

Thanks, Shoji. That's how we've camped with them so far, and is definately 
an option for her on this mini-tour. It's a greate way for side journeys to 
have a base camp for a day or two of exploring.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, July 12, 2013 8:37:30 PM UTC-6, Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>
> One suggestion: if you find a nice place to camp, don't be afraid to stay 
> there. Instead, take a day ride or two and go back to base camp. Sometimes 
> it's nice not having to pack up and go some place. It'll also give her time 
> for her art and/or writing. 
>
> Happy camping, Patrick.
>
> (We're off for car camping later this weekend. We'll go to the swimming 
> hole, take a hike, go to the playground, or probably spend a lot of time 
> picking up sticks and rocks.)
>
>
>
> On Friday, July 12, 2013 10:09:54 PM UTC-4, Robert Barr wrote:
>>
>> If we are wise we learn from children
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 9:52 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
>>
>>> Happy to share our experience. She's both excited and apprehensive, so 
>>> she's already wiser than I am. Grin.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 12, 2013 7:33:49 PM UTC-6, Robert Barr wrote:
>>>
 Me as well Patrick. My eldest daughter will be 11 in August. My 
 daughter's (my younger daughter will be 8 in August) have been a wonder to 
 me since they were born. We have progressed to riding the local trails as 
 a 
 family and with the pleasure they seem to have in riding together, I have 
 no idea where this adventure will lead, but I will forever be grateful for 
 the opportunity. Keep us posted on your adventure. With big smiles - Bob



 On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 9:21 PM, murphyjrfk  wrote:

> I've got nothing on advice Patrick, but I also have a daughter rapidly 
> approaching that age and I'd love to hear about your trip when it's over! 
> Have a blast!
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[RBW] Re: Bikepacking with kids

[dougP]

Patrick:

I think you've already got this wired about as well as can be.  Letting her 
set the pace, pick the spots, etc.  That's absolutely key with kids, and 
you've already figured that out.  The rest of us can learn from your 
experience.  

FWIW, my eldest daughter (age 28) lives in the midwest.  On a whim, my wife 
went to visit her this week.  A few minutes ago, I got a phone call 
reporting that they'd done a 41 mile ride in the Indianapolis area, based 
on a book that she had of Indiana tours.  Neither has ever planned a bike 
ride, but they've both been with me innumerable times.  The moral of the 
story is: raise 'em right & they'll become self-sufficient.  Fast forward 
10-15 years & your daughter may be planning her own trips, & if you're 
lucky, she'll invite you along.  

You two will have a wonderful trip.  

dougP

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>
> My eldest daughter (12 1/2) is interested in joining me for doing a 
> section of the Colorado Trail (high alpine single track), the plan is to 
> travel 10-15 miles a day (necessitated by water locations in some 
> instances) and be surprised if we want/can do more. We have easy outs 
> multiple places along the way, can turn around whenever, the ability to 
> camp in one place for multiple days, so a lot of flexibility to go as fast 
> or slow as she wants however short or long she wants. I'm putting her in 
> charge of all decisions for the trip (how far we go, where we stop, etc, so 
> she will need to manage water and our energy, take into account timing of 
> afternoon monsoon boomers, etc.)
>
> My primary goal is to make it a wonderful, fun, enjoyable experience for 
> her. How far we go, how long we are out do not even matter.  She's done two 
> nights before, in addition to family car camping, but the touring aspect 
> will be new.
>
> She will be bringing art and writing supplies, we'll share a three-person 
> tent, I'll carry everything but her clothes, sleeping bag, pad, water, and 
> immediate food, so I'll be slowed down a fair bit, possibly down to her 
> pace.
>
> Wisdom from those who have gone before me? I'd love to hear it.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org*
> *www.OurHolyConception.org*
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[RBW] Re: Bikepacking with kids

[Manuel Acosta]

Sounds like you got it covers so far Deacon. Let her make the decisions, 
let her make the mistakes, let her choose the adventure. Get her a camera 
so she can take pictures!
-Manny

On Friday, July 12, 2013 6:05:15 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> My eldest daughter (12 1/2) is interested in joining me for doing a 
> section of the Colorado Trail (high alpine single track), the plan is to 
> travel 10-15 miles a day (necessitated by water locations in some 
> instances) and be surprised if we want/can do more. We have easy outs 
> multiple places along the way, can turn around whenever, the ability to 
> camp in one place for multiple days, so a lot of flexibility to go as fast 
> or slow as she wants however short or long she wants. I'm putting her in 
> charge of all decisions for the trip (how far we go, where we stop, etc, so 
> she will need to manage water and our energy, take into account timing of 
> afternoon monsoon boomers, etc.)
>
> My primary goal is to make it a wonderful, fun, enjoyable experience for 
> her. How far we go, how long we are out do not even matter.  She's done two 
> nights before, in addition to family car camping, but the touring aspect 
> will be new.
>
> She will be bringing art and writing supplies, we'll share a three-person 
> tent, I'll carry everything but her clothes, sleeping bag, pad, water, and 
> immediate food, so I'll be slowed down a fair bit, possibly down to her 
> pace.
>
> Wisdom from those who have gone before me? I'd love to hear it.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org*
> *www.OurHolyConception.org*
>  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell sighting what are the odds?

[Hugh Smitham]

Hi Tom,

Really like the build it looks awesome! Most of my family live in Carmel
Valley and I ride their occasionally. Perhaps we can put together a day
ride one of these days.

Best,



Hugh
Sunland, Ca


On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Tom Virgil  wrote:

> Please allow me to introduce myself.  I am Tom Virgil and a Samuel
> Hillborne rider.  The new Rivendell bike entered my life in late May 2013.
>  I am still dialing the Sam in.  I live in Del Mar Heights, but often ride
> out to the beach on Carmel Valley Road.  You just might see another
> Rivendell out there; it's me.  I would be delighted to see one other than
> my own.  I am extremely pleased with my bike, but exercising some patience
> through the "honeymoon" before posting pros and cons.  I had great
> technical and sales support from Jared at Rivendell.  You can see my bike
> here .
>
> Best regards,
>
> Tom
>
>
> On Sunday, July 7, 2013 10:03:03 AM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> Went out for a short ramble South of Del Mar through Torrey Pines reserve
>> and just happened to run into another Hilsen on my way back, Curtis and his
>> 67cm Homer. I recall Curtis joining the bunch inquiring about San Diego
>> mixed terrain rides as he had just acquired his Rivendell. What are the
>> odds in SD county dominated with carbon that we'd run into each other? I'm
>> not a mathematician but it seems the odds would be pretty high. Then again
>> as the Rivendell anomaly amplifies the odds will be more favorable of such
>> serendipitous meetings.It was a nice end to a ride.
>>
>> Pictures prove that it happened.
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/**pedalpusher61/sets/**72157634506333058/
>>
>> ~Hugh
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[RBW] Re: Tightening the curve on fenders with arc too large for the wheels.

[Michael]

I don't know if any of this applies to the situation but here goes:

1.Are you mounting the fender tab in front of the crown? If not, try it, and 
that may take up a few CM's of fender slack to help flatten the bulge. If you 
are, try it aft.

2.Could you  try mounting the fender with a sliding bridge? Then you could 
really move that puppy right where you want it, letting the slack get taken up 
both in front and behind the crown.

3. If the fender is plastic, heat that puppy up with a blow dryer/ heat gun and 
just bend it to shape?

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[RBW] Re: fs: Rivendell Rambouillet - 58cm blue

[bo richardson]

On Sunday, July 7, 2013 10:19:01 PM UTC-7, Eric wrote: 
>
> So I recently bought this beautiful Rambouillet from member "Steve". And 
> after a funny receiving it a funny thing happened. I took the frame down to 
> the basement placed next to the other bikes, other frames, other wheelsets 
> and other bike related stuff. Then I took a good look at everything, I 
> assessed the stable and came to the realization that "this is too much!" 
> and I can't possibly have every Rivendell ever existed (I own a Saluki & 
> Atlantis as well) and that (fill in the number) of bikes is quite enough. 
>
> As a result this realization I have decided to sell this beauty!
>
> Rivendell Rambouillet - frame/fork/headset - 58cm
>
> Geometry can be found here: http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/geometry.html
>
> Nice condition but with a few knicks in the paint. No dings/dents.
>
> $900 (shipping / any PayPal fees are additional)
>
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[RBW] Re: Tightening the curve on fenders with arc too large for the wheels.

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

Never tried this before as I have 26x2.0 on Cascadia fenders and they fit 
somewhat nicely, but Cascadia fenders are polycarbonate. Back in the day 
when I was still messing around with 1/10 and 1/8-scale RC cars, the bodies 
were polycarbonate and we used to use a hairdryer to soften them, so as to 
shape them. Maybe you can try that with an industrial heat gun?


On Friday, July 12, 2013 12:26:36 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I bought and installed a pair of PB Cascadia fenders, I think they're the 
> 45 mm width, on the '03 Riv yesterday -- slow day at Stevie's, and I 
> decided paying full $39 pop instead of taking my discount allowed me 
> ethically to install them at the shop. They work fine, but of course their 
> natural arc has to be tightened to fit closely over the 559X32 wheels. This 
> leaves a noticeable bulge in the front fender just aft of the crown.
>
> Is there any way to get rid of this bulge? I have to admit that the motive 
> is as much aesthetic as practical -- and no doubt as much pathological 
> neat-mindedness as aesthetic.
>
> I have thought of:
>
> 1. slitting the edges, letting them overlap, and then gluing.
> 2. clamping: using the rear's plastic seatstay bridge mounting clip (with 
> the tab cut off) as a sort of brace/stiffener.
>
> Other ideas? Comments and advice? ("Go boil yer head!" "Get a life!" 
> "Yeah, shut up, already.")
>
> These fenders will stay on only during our brief seasons of precipitation 
> -- otherwise I would have tracked down a nice set of metal fenders.
>
> Request: regarding #2 above: I tossed said clip yesterday, so if this is 
> workable I'll need another. Anyone?
>
> Too bad that the nice pair of SKS 700cX35s generously donated by Ryan 
> Watson were too narrow for the Kojas, but they will do well for the Ram 
> with its Parigi Roubaix.
>
> Oh, and this: The '03 Curt-built has the very carefully arranged clearance 
> allowed by "normal" reach brake arches, so that there are at least 3 and 
> probably 4-5 mm of clearance at the tight spots under crown and brake 
> bridge, this with 559X1.35 Kojaks that measure 32 mm on the narrow Sun 
> semi-aero rims. 
>
> Thanks.
>
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>
> Albuquerque, NM
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