[RBW] A weekend in the Methow Valley

[Cecily Walker]

A group of 7 friends and I took a long weekend trip to the Methow Valley in 
the North Cascades of Washington. Long before I got a Betty Foy, I dreamed 
of riding single track, but couldn't find much locally that wasn't very 
technical trails that required mountain bikes. My friend Kay, a seasoned 
mountain bike enthusiast, ensured me that the blue trails in the Okanogan 
National Forest would be a piece of cake for the Betty Foy, and she was 
right. 

Here's a map of where we rode: 
http://www.mvsta.com//images/sunmap_summer.jpg

It was my first time doing riding of this sort, and it took some getting 
used to. The trail was a mixture of large loose gravel, sandy soil, mud, 
and pine needles over hard packed dirt. To make matters worse, the 
osteoarthritis in my right knee really flared up a couple of days before 
the trip, and unfortunately the cortisone shot I had the day before my 
departure didn't do much for the inflammation. I was undaunted though.

Friday morning dawned cool with cerulean blue skies with nary a cloud in 
sight. The layer of cool air was fairly shallow, because by the time we got 
our bikes unloaded from the car, things had warmed up enough for me to go 
on without a jacket. 

We combined the Beaver Pond and Rodeo trails to do a loop around Beaver 
Lake. I had some trouble finding the right gear to match the ground 
conditions at first, but after about the first 20 minutes I seemed to get 
the hang of things. The only times I had to get off my bike were to push up 
a couple of short, steep inclines I didn't change gears quickly enough for, 
and to scale down a "rock garden" incline that Kay thought might be a bit 
much for a novice rider on Soma New Express tires. 

Because I got out to the country and put the Betty Foy through her paces, I 
feel as if I'm finally a part of the Rivendell club. I'm sad to say that 
the summer single track season is rapidly coming to a close, but there's 
always next year!

Here are a few photos from the weekend. We stopped a lot on the way to 
Winthrop, and were particularly taken with the views from Washington Pass. 
There's a photo of me riding singletrack in the set from the weekend: 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cecily/sets/72157635790163246/

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[RBW] Re: San Diego Bay Ride Not Sure If It Counts

[hsmitham]

Curtis,

Nice ride great pictures and it looks like just awesome weather. And there 
was a ferry pic :-)

~Hugh

On Sunday, September 22, 2013 7:35:28 PM UTC-7, Curtis wrote:
>
> Hi,
>  
> Now that the new standard has been set for proof of ride (music video) not 
> sure if pictures will be sufficient.
>  
> However, just in case here is the link:
>  
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/97010676@N07/sets/
>  
> Enjoyed a closed road due to a tri event.  We slipped in and became 
> want-a-be racers for a good half hour.  It was great to see so many people 
> out on bikes.
>  
> Ride safe,
>  
> Curtis
>

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[RBW] Re: San Diego Bay Ride

[hsmitham]

Curtis and Tom,

Yes I'd like to do this ride very much. I've ridden parts of the ride you 
did Curtis but not with Coronado Island and ferry thrown in. Any pics while 
on the ferry? I haven't seen any on Flickr as of this post.

Thinking of an S240 in mid to late October say the 18th & 19th though I may 
come down October 16th thru the 19th I'd like to do a S480 but hey an 
overnight will do. Here's what I'd like to do. Drive to Julian ride the 
bike up to Mt Laguna Approximately 35 miles by way of Hwy 79 through 
Cuyamaca to Old Hwy 80 connecting with the Sunrise Hwy and Camping at 
Laguna Campground or Burnt Rancheria Camp, then the next day ride the 20 
miles down the Sunrise Hwy to Julian for Apple pie. Or Camp in Cuyamaca 
then camp up on laguna and return to Julian.  Anyway that my notion, I do 
need to visit with the parents but I'm going to squeeze this in some how.

Best,

~Hugh

On Saturday, September 21, 2013 11:38:37 AM UTC-7, Curtis wrote:
>
> So much San Diego experience here. The Bay Shore is one of my favorites. 
> It is also so easy to visit several great beer joints along the way. 
>
> Hugh, when you come south so time we will do this ride. 
>
> On Saturday, September 21, 2013, Derek Simmons wrote:
>
>> And Eric, I still remember doing it with you. I'm jealous now because 
>> we've relocated to North Carolina and the SD Bay ride is even farther for 
>> me than you.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Eric Platt wrote:
>>
>>> Okay, am officially jealous.  Still remember doing that ride 4 years 
>>> ago.  Want to do it again some day. (With the extension past Sunset Cliffs 
>>> and out to Point Loma.  And I want to do it on a "real" bike, or at least 
>>> Esteban's Kogswell.
>>>  
>>> Eric Platt
>>> St. Paul, MN
>>>
>>> Eric Platt
>>> St. Paul, MN
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 5:51 PM, Curtis McKenzie wrote:
>>>
 Hi,

 Just in case any SoCal folks are interested:

 I will be riding the San Diego Bay Shore Bike Route on Sunday morning 
 (9/22). Will be at the fountain in Balboa Park at about 8:30 am. The route 
 is very flat and about 25 miles. Planning on taking the ferry to close the 
 loop.

 Ride safe,

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Re: [RBW] Re: Whitefish Bike Retreat - MT

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Shawn G is right. I have Amtrak'ed to Whitefish with a bike, and it is as 
he has described. My train was about 6 hours late into WFH, though, which 
meant getting to my hotel a block from the station at 3am.

On Wednesday, September 18, 2013 1:42:08 PM UTC-5, Shawn Granton wrote:
>
> George (and everyone)-
>
> I'm no expert, but I've taken my bike on Amtrak scads of time over the 
> past decade. But first a good thing to check out if you are interested in 
> taking a bike on Amtrak is check their official page:
> http://www.amtrak.com/bring-your-bicycle-onboard
>
> And in brief: "Roll-on" bike service is only currently available on select 
> regional lines, like the Cascades up here in the NW. With any other line, 
> the bike HAS to be boxed and transported as checked baggage (where 
> available.) True folding bikes like Bromptons can be brought on board any 
> train.
>
> On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 9:47 AM, George Schick 
> > wrote:
>
>>  A question I've had is how well the station at Whitefish services bikes 
>> - that is, does it stop long enough for a passenger to get the bike out of 
>> baggage (some stops in small, rural areas are very brief)?
>>
>
> It's not a question of how long a train stops at a station, it's whether 
> or not the station has checked baggage service. Whitefish has checked 
> baggage, so you can bring a boxed bike along. Most (but not all) 
> long-distance lines offer checked baggage. You have to make sure that your 
> departure station AND arrival station have checked baggage service. If you 
> are doing Chicago to Whitefish, you are okay. There are two ways to find 
> out if a line has checked baggage AND your departure and arrival stations 
> have checked baggage service. Either check the stations page on the Amtrak 
> site: http://www.amtrak.com/find-train-bus-stations
> Or, if you know the train you'll take, check the timetable. The timetable 
> will indicate whether the train provides checked baggage service or not, 
> and if it does, each station that offers baggage service will be indicated 
> with the checked baggage "suitcase" icon. For example, here's the Empire 
> Builder's current schedule:
> http://www.amtrak.com/ccurl/731/811/Empire-Builder-Schedule-042813.pdf
>
>   I assume the bike needs to be boxed with at least the pedals removed and 
>> bars turned. 
>>
>
> Yep. The bike boxes provided by Amtrak are larger than bike shop bike 
> boxes, so this should be all you need to do. (Of course, if you have rather 
> large handlebars, you might have to remove them.)
>  
>
>>  Does the Whitefish station facilitate this, i.e., store boxes so you can 
>> get one when you're ready to leave again?
>>
>
> As far as I know, Amtrak's official policy is they do not hold bike boxes. 
> Of course, each station is different, and some stations will do this if you 
> ask nicely and you're going to come back relatively soon. (One station even 
> volunteered to hold my box!) There is also the chance that the station may 
> have some used bike boxes lying around that you can snag for free, it 
> doesn't hurt to ask. (Otherwise, it's $15 for a new bike box.) Smaller 
> stations tend to be better with the holding boxes and giving free used 
> boxes.
>  
>
>>  And what about the hours; if the train comes through there late at night 
>> the station might be closed (unstaffed), which could mean difficulty 
>> storing the box, etc.?
>>
>
> Again, check the stations page, which will list station hours for any 
> STAFFED station: 
> http://www.amtrak.com/find-train-bus-stations
> Generally, the station will be open when the train comes through 
> regardless of what hour it comes through, as it wouldn't make sense for it 
> to be closed when it's most needed. If a station is unstaffed, that's going 
> to mean that it won't have baggage service, which means you can't bring a 
> boxed bike. (If a train provides roll-on service, you should be able to get 
> it on/off at unstaffed stations.)
>
> yours,
> Shawn
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Re: [RBW] San Diego Bay Ride

[cyclotourist]

That was a great ride (minus the bonk and dehydration)! I think
ComicCon was going on, wasn't it?
Here's some pics for those that missed that one:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/sets/72157621936379889/with/3828363481/

Curtis, hope you had a really good time out there today! Hopefully you
and the SD crowd can make it up the SM Palisades ride on Sat!


On 9/22/13, Eric Platt  wrote:
> Derek, yes I do remember.  And again, thank you for saving my hide with
> that water.  Have rarely bonked as bad as that one.  Betting there is a lot
> of good riding out there.
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Derek Simmons <
> retiredinsancleme...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> And Eric, I still remember doing it with you. I'm jealous now because
>> we've relocated to North Carolina and the SD Bay ride is even farther for
>> me than you.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Eric Platt
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Okay, am officially jealous.  Still remember doing that ride 4 years
>>> ago.  Want to do it again some day. (With the extension past Sunset
>>> Cliffs
>>> and out to Point Loma.  And I want to do it on a "real" bike, or at
>>> least
>>> Esteban's Kogswell.
>>>
>>> Eric Platt
>>> St. Paul, MN
>>>
>>> Eric Platt
>>> St. Paul, MN
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 5:51 PM, Curtis McKenzie
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi,

 Just in case any SoCal folks are interested:

 I will be riding the San Diego Bay Shore Bike Route on Sunday morning
 (9/22). Will be at the fountain in Balboa Park at about 8:30 am. The
 route
 is very flat and about 25 miles. Planning on taking the ferry to close
 the
 loop.

 Ride safe,

 Curtis

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[RBW] Re: 120mm cassette hubs

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Fortunately, most Rivs are 130 or 135 mm!

On Sunday, September 22, 2013 10:17:47 AM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Compass Bikes just posted the availability of new Grand Boris branded 5 
> and 6 speed cassette hubs for 120mm rear spacing.  That's a pretty exciting 
> development for a lot of folks.  They have the cog sets as well.  I hope 
> the freewheel hoarders aren't angry about it.  
>
> If I understand the manufacturing relationships, we'll probably see these 
> hubs under a couple other labels as well
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Re: [RBW] Re: Now taking a poll for the month of September SoCal Riv Ride Santa Monica

[cyclotourist]

James, glad you can make it! Long time no see (virtually or IRL)!

On 9/21/13, chocotaco  wrote:
> Good Morning Team:
>
> I might have missed it, but have a final starting point and departure time
> been chosen? I have no strong preference, but I am hoping to join you.
>
> Thanks,
>
> James Black
> Los Angeles, CA
>
> On Wednesday, September 11, 2013 3:47:00 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> SoCal Rivsters,
>>
>> Created a poll for date and time for the Santa Monica Palisades dirt ride.
>>
>> I included Sunday's so as to include Bryan. If we do a choose a Sunday, I
>>
>> will need to start early like 8 am and be done by 12 noon...food for me
>> but
>> I'll be brew fasting, of course not you.
>>
>> Here's the poll:
>>
>> http://doodle.com/9rwysqgz8bkudhft
>>
>> Looking forward to another awesome ride.
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Campy Only!: Ride to Bridge of the Gods, 9-19-13

[Eric Norris]

I was still 15+ miles from the bridge when I overheard someone saying that the 
rain was a half an hour away. Luckily, it held off for a couple of hours. 

–Eric N
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> On Sep 22, 2013, at 8:01 PM, Shawn Granton  
> wrote:
> 
> Good job! Somehow when you were talking about this ride I wasn't picturing 
> something on this scale. Glad you had fun out there and the weather held, 
> mostly. Great set of photos, too. Reminds me I haven't been out that way 
> since June...
> 
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[RBW] San Diego Bay Ride Not Sure If It Counts

[Curtis]

Hi,
 
Now that the new standard has been set for proof of ride (music video) not 
sure if pictures will be sufficient.
 
However, just in case here is the link:
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/97010676@N07/sets/
 
Enjoyed a closed road due to a tri event.  We slipped in and became 
want-a-be racers for a good half hour.  It was great to see so many people 
out on bikes.
 
Ride safe,
 
Curtis

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[RBW] Re: Campy Only!: Ride to Bridge of the Gods, 9-19-13

[Shawn Granton]

Good job! Somehow when you were talking about this ride I wasn't picturing 
something on this scale. Glad you had fun out there and the weather held, 
mostly. Great set of photos, too. Reminds me I haven't been out that way 
since June...

-Shawn

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[RBW] Campy Only!: Ride to Bridge of the Gods, 9-19-13

[Eric Norris]

Well, I made it to Portland and put in about 95 miles on Friday, riding from 
Troutdale, OR, into Washington state, then up the Columbia River to Bridge of 
the Gods and back on the Oregon side. Photos prove it happened:

http://campyonlyguy.blogspot.com/2013/09/ride-to-bridge-of-gods-9-19-13.html

Some very nice scenery on this ride ... once I was able to escape the greater 
Vancouver, WA, area. Old Hwy 30 on the Oregon side, with its multiple 
waterfalls and general lack of cars was especially nice. Stopped at the bridge 
and had a yummy piece of marionberry pie in the local diner. Also bought some 
totally delicious smoked salmon from a Native American couple who caught the 
fish themselves in the main stem of the Columbia.

Got rained on for about 20 miles in the dark, but all in all a great day on the 
bike.

--Eric
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[RBW] Re: 120mm cassette hubs

[Bill Lindsay]

Justin

Where can I buy a Suntour 120mm cassette hub?

On Sunday, September 22, 2013 3:02:06 PM UTC-7, justin...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> While I love this and everything they do, I'm curious as to what the 
> difference between this and the (already available, contrary to Jan's 
> statement) Suntour hubs? Rebaged? Upgraded bearings? Anything?
>
> -J
>
> On Sunday, September 22, 2013 11:17:47 AM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Compass Bikes just posted the availability of new Grand Boris branded 5 
>> and 6 speed cassette hubs for 120mm rear spacing.  That's a pretty exciting 
>> development for a lot of folks.  They have the cog sets as well.  I hope 
>> the freewheel hoarders aren't angry about it.  
>>
>> If I understand the manufacturing relationships, we'll probably see these 
>> hubs under a couple other labels as well
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[Edwin W]

Maybe my feet aren't that tough, but I don't like the sneaker pedals that Riv 
sells with no sneakers on! But I love them with shoes or flip flops.  Not 
enough flat surface. The Ergons look good and pricey. Harris Cyclery sells the 
good and cheap ones that look like Raleigh's from the '70's rubber platforms 
with reflectors. 

Edwin

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Re: [RBW] San Diego Bay Ride

[Tony DeFilippo]

I did that ride back in April while in town on travel... What a cool tour 
around SD!  I'd be interested in seeing your track as you go past the naval 
station and through the national city area... My own route through there didn't 
seem optimal.

Tony

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[RBW] WTB: Set of Rolly-Polly's

[Brian Campbell]

I have an older Ritchey road bike with a max tire size of 28mm. Looking for 
a set of new or lightly used Rolly-Polly's. Please let me know if you have 
a set you want to part with.

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Re: [RBW] San Diego Bay Ride

[Eric Platt]

Derek, yes I do remember.  And again, thank you for saving my hide with
that water.  Have rarely bonked as bad as that one.  Betting there is a lot
of good riding out there.
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN


On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Derek Simmons <
retiredinsancleme...@gmail.com> wrote:

> And Eric, I still remember doing it with you. I'm jealous now because
> we've relocated to North Carolina and the SD Bay ride is even farther for
> me than you.
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Eric Platt wrote:
>
>> Okay, am officially jealous.  Still remember doing that ride 4 years
>> ago.  Want to do it again some day. (With the extension past Sunset Cliffs
>> and out to Point Loma.  And I want to do it on a "real" bike, or at least
>> Esteban's Kogswell.
>>
>> Eric Platt
>> St. Paul, MN
>>
>> Eric Platt
>> St. Paul, MN
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 5:51 PM, Curtis McKenzie wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Just in case any SoCal folks are interested:
>>>
>>> I will be riding the San Diego Bay Shore Bike Route on Sunday morning
>>> (9/22). Will be at the fountain in Balboa Park at about 8:30 am. The route
>>> is very flat and about 25 miles. Planning on taking the ferry to close the
>>> loop.
>>>
>>> Ride safe,
>>>
>>> Curtis
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[RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[Deacon Patrick]

Good point on the bolt holes J. Anyone know the bolt size for the VP 001?

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, September 22, 2013 4:17:37 PM UTC-6, justin...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I would try the VP-Vice for this! The "pins" are just bog standard bolts. 
> Easy to replace and find flat heads. See here: 
> http://oceanaircycles.com/2013/04/22/vp-vice-and-001-pedal-comparison/
>
> -J
>
> On Sunday, September 22, 2013 10:58:46 AM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Wonderful to hear, Pam. I've wondered about the Grip Kings. I presume the 
>> ball of your foot is down in the concave slope, toes resting on the 
>> top/front grips? Or are you midfood pedaling? I midfoot pedal. My feet are 
>> 12 , so gorilla's get envious of these beasties. Grin. VFFs never 
>> worked well for me, though it took me running 200 miles in them to figure 
>> that out. I'm THAT thick. Here are a few pics to show pedal placement:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/9863133784/
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/9422980161/
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/9295761124/
>>
>> I "toe clench" to avoid toe flossing by brambles and grasses when it's 
>> narrow trail.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Saturday, September 21, 2013 9:08:39 PM UTC-6, pam wrote:
>>>
>>> I have the Grip Kings and ride in Vibram Five Fingers - have for the 
>>> past 4 years - probably over 10,000 miles.  I had the sneaker pedals.  I 
>>> think for barefoot the sneaker pedals would be slightly better.  I've tried 
>>> riding barefoot with Grip Kings but need a thin sole to really push down 
>>> hard on the pedal - I guess I'm a masher not a spinner.  I'll try the 
>>> sneaker pedals barefoot and will let you know but the platform is slightly 
>>> smaller.  I have a small foot so that helps - Womens' Size 6.  Hope that 
>>> helps.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 19, 2013 9:27:37 AM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Question upfront: how barefoot friendly are the pedals you ride? I'd 
 love input on all pedals, but am specifically wondering about both the VP 
 thin Gripster and MKS Grip King Rivendell offers.

 Relavant détails:
 -- I ride barefoot or in thin leather moccasins (when cold requires) 
 because of the increased proprioception (feedback from the feet that lets 
 the body know where it is in space) I require due to brain stem damage and 
 resultant vertigo.
 -- I am possibly acquiring a second bike (fixie) and thus in need of a 
 second pair of barefoot friendly pedals.
 -- I have and love my oak woodie Bullseye Pedals on my Hunga. These are 
 perhaps the ideal barefoot pedal.
 -- I'm doubtful about the clip less platform pedal set up from Bike 
 Tinker because of the inherent, albeit slight, rotational play inherent to 
 clipless.
 -- I live and run mountain trails barefoot or moccasined, so my feet 
 are well acclimated to rough/uneven surfaces; however, my experience with 
 pedals tells me that on rides longer than 2-3 hours, the foot gets tender 
 from the same pressure points.
 -- The pedal to beat (aside from the oak woodies) is the MKS Touring 
 pedal with rubber blocks. I have a pair with the outer "rings" filed down 
 a 
 bit.
 -- I ride mostly midfoot on the pedal.

 -- One thought on "possibly worth trying" is the Gripster pedals with a 
 thin Vibram soling (which I have) somehow screwed into the cleat treads 
 with broad flathead screws. Any suggestions here greatly appreciated.

 Thanks for your input!

 With abandon,
 Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Dia Compe Ene Ciclo 700 x 28c Tire

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

I used it briefly on a SimpleOne.  Very nice riding tire, but I like something 
with more volume.  Its color is quite dark brown.



On Sep 21, 2013, at 11:46 AM, "Jim Cloud" 
mailto:cloud...@aol.com>> wrote:

Has anyone in the group used this tire?  It's sold by various suppliers, 
including Velo Orange and Ben's Cycle.  Here's a link to the Ben's Cycle 
website showing the tire:
http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=369_183_1170&products_id=11977&zenid=2b837b107a00980169984606c4a3bce2

Jim Cloud
Tucson, AZ

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[RBW] Re: 120mm cassette hubs

[Bill Lindsay]

stephen s

the 14-28 six speed cassette fits on the same 120mm hub.  no cold setting 
needed.  you are golden!

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[RBW] Re: 120mm cassette hubs

[Stephen S]

I'd have to either spread or cold-set the rear spacing and I'd like to keep 
it 5-speed for the time-being.

The rest of the drivetrain would be fine. I went from a 50-42 Campy Record 
crankset to a 53-39 Shimano Ultegra 9-speed crankset to get some lower 
ratios and I run a 9 speed chain.  

On Sunday, September 22, 2013 11:40:15 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> That's not all that hard a problem to find a solution for.  You could buy 
> their 14-28 six-speed cassette and just run an 8-speed chain.  I'm sure the 
> rest of your drivetrain would take that, wouldn't you think?  Or, if you've 
> stockpiled a bunch of 5-speed chains and want to stay period, they built 
> those cassettes out of contemporary ones, so you could mix and match the 
> cogs you want.  Their 14-24 five-speed is probably a 14-16-18-21-24 and 
> your 14-28 five speed is probably 14-17-20-24-28.  It's a little work, but 
> if the lack of rear wheel options has been keeping your fine Jack Taylor 
> unridden, this has got to be a welcome development.   
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Mixte?

[justinaugust]

Please be a mixte with SimpleBeam dropouts. Please be a mixte with QuickOne 
dropouts. Please...

-J

On Friday, September 20, 2013 4:09:23 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Good point, Jeremy.  I forgot about that top tube thing.  
>
> On Thursday, September 19, 2013 7:11:35 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Till wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, but that was a seat lug for a diamond frame bike, it had a socket 
>> for a top tube.  I guess you could cut it off, but it seems silly to go to 
>> all that trouble to make a seat lug and then have to modify it.  
>>
>> Mountain Mixte/Appaloosa would be awesome!
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:40:58 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> Remember there was that super-involved seat lug on the BLUG, which said 
>>> it was going to be on a new bike in one and only one huge size.  Then Grant 
>>> had the followup that he could make multiple sizes with that lug by varying 
>>> chainstay length with each frame size.  Maybe this will be that?
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:05:13 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

 So a half bombadil half betty foy that is around the price of the foy? 
 Sounds awesome!


 On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 1:52 PM, RJM  wrote:

> I would like it to be strong enough and have enough tire clearance so 
> I can make a mountain bike out of it. 
>   
>  
>
> On Tuesday, September 17, 2013 6:09:45 PM UTC-5, William wrote:
>
>> I just read the email update, saying there's a new mixte in the works 
>> with a different name.  That's kind of exciting.  
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[RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[justinaugust]

I would try the VP-Vice for this! The "pins" are just bog standard bolts. 
Easy to replace and find flat heads. See 
here: http://oceanaircycles.com/2013/04/22/vp-vice-and-001-pedal-comparison/

-J

On Sunday, September 22, 2013 10:58:46 AM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Wonderful to hear, Pam. I've wondered about the Grip Kings. I presume the 
> ball of your foot is down in the concave slope, toes resting on the 
> top/front grips? Or are you midfood pedaling? I midfoot pedal. My feet are 
> 12 , so gorilla's get envious of these beasties. Grin. VFFs never 
> worked well for me, though it took me running 200 miles in them to figure 
> that out. I'm THAT thick. Here are a few pics to show pedal placement:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/9863133784/
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/9422980161/
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/9295761124/
>
> I "toe clench" to avoid toe flossing by brambles and grasses when it's 
> narrow trail.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Saturday, September 21, 2013 9:08:39 PM UTC-6, pam wrote:
>>
>> I have the Grip Kings and ride in Vibram Five Fingers - have for the past 
>> 4 years - probably over 10,000 miles.  I had the sneaker pedals.  I think 
>> for barefoot the sneaker pedals would be slightly better.  I've tried 
>> riding barefoot with Grip Kings but need a thin sole to really push down 
>> hard on the pedal - I guess I'm a masher not a spinner.  I'll try the 
>> sneaker pedals barefoot and will let you know but the platform is slightly 
>> smaller.  I have a small foot so that helps - Womens' Size 6.  Hope that 
>> helps.
>>
>>
>> On Friday, April 19, 2013 9:27:37 AM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> Question upfront: how barefoot friendly are the pedals you ride? I'd 
>>> love input on all pedals, but am specifically wondering about both the VP 
>>> thin Gripster and MKS Grip King Rivendell offers.
>>>
>>> Relavant détails:
>>> -- I ride barefoot or in thin leather moccasins (when cold requires) 
>>> because of the increased proprioception (feedback from the feet that lets 
>>> the body know where it is in space) I require due to brain stem damage and 
>>> resultant vertigo.
>>> -- I am possibly acquiring a second bike (fixie) and thus in need of a 
>>> second pair of barefoot friendly pedals.
>>> -- I have and love my oak woodie Bullseye Pedals on my Hunga. These are 
>>> perhaps the ideal barefoot pedal.
>>> -- I'm doubtful about the clip less platform pedal set up from Bike 
>>> Tinker because of the inherent, albeit slight, rotational play inherent to 
>>> clipless.
>>> -- I live and run mountain trails barefoot or moccasined, so my feet are 
>>> well acclimated to rough/uneven surfaces; however, my experience with 
>>> pedals tells me that on rides longer than 2-3 hours, the foot gets tender 
>>> from the same pressure points.
>>> -- The pedal to beat (aside from the oak woodies) is the MKS Touring 
>>> pedal with rubber blocks. I have a pair with the outer "rings" filed down a 
>>> bit.
>>> -- I ride mostly midfoot on the pedal.
>>>
>>> -- One thought on "possibly worth trying" is the Gripster pedals with a 
>>> thin Vibram soling (which I have) somehow screwed into the cleat treads 
>>> with broad flathead screws. Any suggestions here greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your input!
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org*
>>> *www.OurHolyConception.org*
>>>  
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[RBW] Re: 120mm cassette hubs

[justinaugust]

While I love this and everything they do, I'm curious as to what the 
difference between this and the (already available, contrary to Jan's 
statement) Suntour hubs? Rebaged? Upgraded bearings? Anything?

-J

On Sunday, September 22, 2013 11:17:47 AM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Compass Bikes just posted the availability of new Grand Boris branded 5 
> and 6 speed cassette hubs for 120mm rear spacing.  That's a pretty exciting 
> development for a lot of folks.  They have the cog sets as well.  I hope 
> the freewheel hoarders aren't angry about it.  
>
> If I understand the manufacturing relationships, we'll probably see these 
> hubs under a couple other labels as well
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[RBW] Jonesing for a Quickbeam 54-56cm

[Trevor saxton]

Hello thought I'd try, while I love my roadeos ride, I am still filled with 
regret over selling my Simpleone, if anyone is interested in selling their 
Quickbeam or Simpleone 54 or 56cm, please send me an email offlineI am 
interested in frame/fork/headset only, paint condition does not matter. 

Thanks 

Trevor

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[RBW] Re: FS: Brooks B17, Turbo, and Nitto Stem

[rob markwardt]

sorry, b17 is gone.

Rob

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> I couldn't figure out how to send a personal
> message on the smart phone , app ! Sorry!  Is the b17 still available ? 

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[RBW] Re: 120mm cassette hubs

[Bill Lindsay]

That's not all that hard a problem to find a solution for.  You could buy 
their 14-28 six-speed cassette and just run an 8-speed chain.  I'm sure the 
rest of your drivetrain would take that, wouldn't you think?  Or, if you've 
stockpiled a bunch of 5-speed chains and want to stay period, they built 
those cassettes out of contemporary ones, so you could mix and match the 
cogs you want.  Their 14-24 five-speed is probably a 14-16-18-21-24 and 
your 14-28 five speed is probably 14-17-20-24-28.  It's a little work, but 
if the lack of rear wheel options has been keeping your fine Jack Taylor 
unridden, this has got to be a welcome development.   

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[RBW] Re: 120mm cassette hubs

[Stephen S]

A wider range 5 speed cassette would be nice. I have a 14-28 5-speed 
freewheel on my 72' Bob Jackson and I'd hate to lose the climbing gears


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>
> Compass Bikes just posted the availability of new Grand Boris branded 5 
> and 6 speed cassette hubs for 120mm rear spacing.  That's a pretty exciting 
> development for a lot of folks.  They have the cog sets as well.  I hope 
> the freewheel hoarders aren't angry about it.  
>
> If I understand the manufacturing relationships, we'll probably see these 
> hubs under a couple other labels as well
>

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[RBW] 120mm cassette hubs

[Bill Lindsay]

Compass Bikes just posted the availability of new Grand Boris branded 5 and 6 
speed cassette hubs for 120mm rear spacing.  That's a pretty exciting 
development for a lot of folks.  They have the cog sets as well.  I hope the 
freewheel hoarders aren't angry about it.  

If I understand the manufacturing relationships, we'll probably see these hubs 
under a couple other labels as well

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[RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[Deacon Patrick]

Wonderful to hear, Pam. I've wondered about the Grip Kings. I presume the 
ball of your foot is down in the concave slope, toes resting on the 
top/front grips? Or are you midfood pedaling? I midfoot pedal. My feet are 
12 , so gorilla's get envious of these beasties. Grin. VFFs never 
worked well for me, though it took me running 200 miles in them to figure 
that out. I'm THAT thick. Here are a few pics to show pedal placement:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/9863133784/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/9422980161/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/9295761124/

I "toe clench" to avoid toe flossing by brambles and grasses when it's 
narrow trail.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, September 21, 2013 9:08:39 PM UTC-6, pam wrote:
>
> I have the Grip Kings and ride in Vibram Five Fingers - have for the past 
> 4 years - probably over 10,000 miles.  I had the sneaker pedals.  I think 
> for barefoot the sneaker pedals would be slightly better.  I've tried 
> riding barefoot with Grip Kings but need a thin sole to really push down 
> hard on the pedal - I guess I'm a masher not a spinner.  I'll try the 
> sneaker pedals barefoot and will let you know but the platform is slightly 
> smaller.  I have a small foot so that helps - Womens' Size 6.  Hope that 
> helps.
>
>
> On Friday, April 19, 2013 9:27:37 AM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Question upfront: how barefoot friendly are the pedals you ride? I'd love 
>> input on all pedals, but am specifically wondering about both the VP thin 
>> Gripster and MKS Grip King Rivendell offers.
>>
>> Relavant détails:
>> -- I ride barefoot or in thin leather moccasins (when cold requires) 
>> because of the increased proprioception (feedback from the feet that lets 
>> the body know where it is in space) I require due to brain stem damage and 
>> resultant vertigo.
>> -- I am possibly acquiring a second bike (fixie) and thus in need of a 
>> second pair of barefoot friendly pedals.
>> -- I have and love my oak woodie Bullseye Pedals on my Hunga. These are 
>> perhaps the ideal barefoot pedal.
>> -- I'm doubtful about the clip less platform pedal set up from Bike 
>> Tinker because of the inherent, albeit slight, rotational play inherent to 
>> clipless.
>> -- I live and run mountain trails barefoot or moccasined, so my feet are 
>> well acclimated to rough/uneven surfaces; however, my experience with 
>> pedals tells me that on rides longer than 2-3 hours, the foot gets tender 
>> from the same pressure points.
>> -- The pedal to beat (aside from the oak woodies) is the MKS Touring 
>> pedal with rubber blocks. I have a pair with the outer "rings" filed down a 
>> bit.
>> -- I ride mostly midfoot on the pedal.
>>
>> -- One thought on "possibly worth trying" is the Gripster pedals with a 
>> thin Vibram soling (which I have) somehow screwed into the cleat treads 
>> with broad flathead screws. Any suggestions here greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks for your input!
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org*
>> *www.OurHolyConception.org*
>>  
>>

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[RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[Deacon Patrick]

Och! What a blessing you guys are! Thank you. Philip, I will send them your 
way so you can see what you can do to revive them once I have a pair that 
works at least as well. I feel better knowing they will be in your hands 
than a machine shop I just wander into in Colorado Springs that may or may 
not understand pedals. Between the leather clad VPs and Eric's so very 
cherry pedals, I am hopeful! Will coordinate off list once I'm at that 
point.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, September 20, 2013 7:26:54 PM UTC-6, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> Awesome, Eric, I was thinking along the same lines. 
> I wonder if 1/4" oak could be attached to the Thin Gripster VP-001s *with* 
> the 
> pins. If they're the kind that are threaded along the entire length, it 
> might be possible (though tedious) to drill and tap holes through the wood, 
> and... never mind, you could just epoxy the wood on there.
>
> I'm happy to try to get the wobble out of the Bullseye pedals for you, but 
> I don't know that I could do anything that a Colorado machine shop couldn't 
> do. 
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com
>
> On Friday, September 20, 2013 4:34:01 PM UTC-7, EGNolan wrote:
>>
>> I've got more hardwoods than ply at this point, if I don't have enough 
>> oak, which I think I should, I'll use some cherry, it should be as hardy.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Wobbly pedal fix ideas?

[Deacon Patrick]

Thanks, Ian. Multiple posts appreciated for the thoroughness they bring. 
For me, this is the key of what you said: "straight forward, but fiddly." I 
don't handle fiddly well, so I will leave this to those that do. That 
clarity alone is priceless. Thanks again!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, September 22, 2013 3:27:03 AM UTC-6, IanA wrote:
>
> It may also be that the axle thread is okay and that the locknut is 
> stripped.  Only investigation will reveal the situation.  This link might 
> help - http://barcelonapignonfixe.blogspot.ca/2010_10_01_archive.html
>
> apologies to all for the multiple posts.
>
> On Sunday, September 22, 2013 3:22:03 AM UTC-6, IanA wrote:
>>
>> Whoops, I just reread the posting, where the lock nut is spinning out. 
>>  In this case, it may be that the thread is stripped on the axle.  Worth 
>> disassembling the pedal and examining.  If the axle thread is stripped, it 
>> may be possible to find another compatible axle in a used parts bin at the 
>> LBS.  To disassemble and rebuild the pedal is fairly straightforward, but 
>> relatively fiddly work.
>>
>> On Sunday, September 22, 2013 3:17:11 AM UTC-6, IanA wrote:
>>>
>>> Assuming this is a loose bearing pedal, there should be a cone and a 
>>> lock nut - the same system as a loose bearing wheel hub.  First, loosen off 
>>> the lock nut, then turn the cone to the desired setting then tighten the 
>>> lock nut. The lock nut will cause some additional binding/pressure on the 
>>> cone, so the trick is to have the cone a little looser than spot on as the 
>>> lock nut will effectively cause the slack to be taken up.  This part is a 
>>> matter of trial/error and feel, but with some patience, you'll hit the 
>>> sweet spot.  
>>>
>>> If, when the lock nut/cones/bearings etc. are all correctly adjusted and 
>>> there is still a wobbly feeling, there is the possibility that the axle 
>>> itself is a touch bent.  With the pedal disassembled and the axle in hand, 
>>> a practiced hand can tap the axle into true using a vise and a slight tap 
>>> of a hammer.  Hopefully, the adjustment will take up the slack and the axle 
>>> is perfectly true.  
>>>
>>> Ian A.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 20, 2013 4:54:44 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 This is a branch off of the barefoot pedal thread and pertains to my 
 Bullseye pedals. Brief history: the left pedal got rusty, froze, and my 
 LBS 
 rebuilt it. It still wobbles on the axel, though the wobble feels minimal 
 when riding. I'd like to find a way to eliminate the wobble and make it 
 feel like "one piece" as the right pedal does.

 Per Riv recommendation, I removed the dust cap and tried tightening the 
 axel bolt. Forgetting the threads are reversed on the left, I loosened it 
 first, realized my mistake, then tightened it, but it reaches a point 
 where 
 it just spins without getting tighter. Am I missing something?

 Other ideas for salvaging this wonderful pair of pedals?

 With abandon,
 Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Wobbly pedal fix ideas?

[IanA]

It may also be that the axle thread is okay and that the locknut is 
stripped.  Only investigation will reveal the situation.  This link might 
help - http://barcelonapignonfixe.blogspot.ca/2010_10_01_archive.html

apologies to all for the multiple posts.

On Sunday, September 22, 2013 3:22:03 AM UTC-6, IanA wrote:
>
> Whoops, I just reread the posting, where the lock nut is spinning out.  In 
> this case, it may be that the thread is stripped on the axle.  Worth 
> disassembling the pedal and examining.  If the axle thread is stripped, it 
> may be possible to find another compatible axle in a used parts bin at the 
> LBS.  To disassemble and rebuild the pedal is fairly straightforward, but 
> relatively fiddly work.
>
> On Sunday, September 22, 2013 3:17:11 AM UTC-6, IanA wrote:
>>
>> Assuming this is a loose bearing pedal, there should be a cone and a lock 
>> nut - the same system as a loose bearing wheel hub.  First, loosen off the 
>> lock nut, then turn the cone to the desired setting then tighten the lock 
>> nut. The lock nut will cause some additional binding/pressure on the cone, 
>> so the trick is to have the cone a little looser than spot on as the lock 
>> nut will effectively cause the slack to be taken up.  This part is a matter 
>> of trial/error and feel, but with some patience, you'll hit the sweet spot. 
>>  
>>
>> If, when the lock nut/cones/bearings etc. are all correctly adjusted and 
>> there is still a wobbly feeling, there is the possibility that the axle 
>> itself is a touch bent.  With the pedal disassembled and the axle in hand, 
>> a practiced hand can tap the axle into true using a vise and a slight tap 
>> of a hammer.  Hopefully, the adjustment will take up the slack and the axle 
>> is perfectly true.  
>>
>> Ian A.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, September 20, 2013 4:54:44 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> This is a branch off of the barefoot pedal thread and pertains to my 
>>> Bullseye pedals. Brief history: the left pedal got rusty, froze, and my LBS 
>>> rebuilt it. It still wobbles on the axel, though the wobble feels minimal 
>>> when riding. I'd like to find a way to eliminate the wobble and make it 
>>> feel like "one piece" as the right pedal does.
>>>
>>> Per Riv recommendation, I removed the dust cap and tried tightening the 
>>> axel bolt. Forgetting the threads are reversed on the left, I loosened it 
>>> first, realized my mistake, then tightened it, but it reaches a point where 
>>> it just spins without getting tighter. Am I missing something?
>>>
>>> Other ideas for salvaging this wonderful pair of pedals?
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org*
>>> *www.OurHolyConception.org*
>>>  
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Wobbly pedal fix ideas?

[IanA]

Whoops, I just reread the posting, where the lock nut is spinning out.  In 
this case, it may be that the thread is stripped on the axle.  Worth 
disassembling the pedal and examining.  If the axle thread is stripped, it 
may be possible to find another compatible axle in a used parts bin at the 
LBS.  To disassemble and rebuild the pedal is fairly straightforward, but 
relatively fiddly work.

On Sunday, September 22, 2013 3:17:11 AM UTC-6, IanA wrote:
>
> Assuming this is a loose bearing pedal, there should be a cone and a lock 
> nut - the same system as a loose bearing wheel hub.  First, loosen off the 
> lock nut, then turn the cone to the desired setting then tighten the lock 
> nut. The lock nut will cause some additional binding/pressure on the cone, 
> so the trick is to have the cone a little looser than spot on as the lock 
> nut will effectively cause the slack to be taken up.  This part is a matter 
> of trial/error and feel, but with some patience, you'll hit the sweet spot. 
>  
>
> If, when the lock nut/cones/bearings etc. are all correctly adjusted and 
> there is still a wobbly feeling, there is the possibility that the axle 
> itself is a touch bent.  With the pedal disassembled and the axle in hand, 
> a practiced hand can tap the axle into true using a vise and a slight tap 
> of a hammer.  Hopefully, the adjustment will take up the slack and the axle 
> is perfectly true.  
>
> Ian A.
>
>
>
> On Friday, September 20, 2013 4:54:44 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> This is a branch off of the barefoot pedal thread and pertains to my 
>> Bullseye pedals. Brief history: the left pedal got rusty, froze, and my LBS 
>> rebuilt it. It still wobbles on the axel, though the wobble feels minimal 
>> when riding. I'd like to find a way to eliminate the wobble and make it 
>> feel like "one piece" as the right pedal does.
>>
>> Per Riv recommendation, I removed the dust cap and tried tightening the 
>> axel bolt. Forgetting the threads are reversed on the left, I loosened it 
>> first, realized my mistake, then tightened it, but it reaches a point where 
>> it just spins without getting tighter. Am I missing something?
>>
>> Other ideas for salvaging this wonderful pair of pedals?
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org*
>> *www.OurHolyConception.org*
>>  
>>

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[RBW] Re: Wobbly pedal fix ideas?

[IanA]

Assuming this is a loose bearing pedal, there should be a cone and a lock 
nut - the same system as a loose bearing wheel hub.  First, loosen off the 
lock nut, then turn the cone to the desired setting then tighten the lock 
nut. The lock nut will cause some additional binding/pressure on the cone, 
so the trick is to have the cone a little looser than spot on as the lock 
nut will effectively cause the slack to be taken up.  This part is a matter 
of trial/error and feel, but with some patience, you'll hit the sweet spot. 
 

If, when the lock nut/cones/bearings etc. are all correctly adjusted and 
there is still a wobbly feeling, there is the possibility that the axle 
itself is a touch bent.  With the pedal disassembled and the axle in hand, 
a practiced hand can tap the axle into true using a vise and a slight tap 
of a hammer.  Hopefully, the adjustment will take up the slack and the axle 
is perfectly true.  

Ian A.



On Friday, September 20, 2013 4:54:44 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> This is a branch off of the barefoot pedal thread and pertains to my 
> Bullseye pedals. Brief history: the left pedal got rusty, froze, and my LBS 
> rebuilt it. It still wobbles on the axel, though the wobble feels minimal 
> when riding. I'd like to find a way to eliminate the wobble and make it 
> feel like "one piece" as the right pedal does.
>
> Per Riv recommendation, I removed the dust cap and tried tightening the 
> axel bolt. Forgetting the threads are reversed on the left, I loosened it 
> first, realized my mistake, then tightened it, but it reaches a point where 
> it just spins without getting tighter. Am I missing something?
>
> Other ideas for salvaging this wonderful pair of pedals?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org*
> *www.OurHolyConception.org*
>  
>

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