[RBW] Re: My Nitto S-83 doesnt fit Brooks rails

[grant]

Over the years (but not in the last ten years) we've gotten back half a 
dozen Brookses that didn't fit Nittos, and it was never the Nitto, they 
were always off by low single-digit millimeters, and always fell into place 
with a little forcing at the beginning. Although I speak their language 
better, when it comes to QC and precision, I'd vote for a forged Japanese 
part over a hand-fitted British one...generally.

On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 4:47:44 PM UTC-7, mike goldman wrote:
>
> i tried 3 of my ti B17's and the rails dont fit, too narrow. is this 
> typical of the S-83? 
>
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[RBW] Re: Speaking of Off-Pavent Rides... Come to Redlands this Spring!

[hsmitham]

The Date is in the Calendar. Looking forward to it. Keep a tent spot open 
for me as it's a long drive home and I'll be enjoying the post ride 
activities.

~Hugh

Wednesday, October 9, 2013 6:14:19 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Over the years, the SoCal chapter of the Rivendell Bicycle 
> Appreciation Society has put on a lot of great rides! 
>
> I've loved EVERY one I've been on, and met a lot of greatpeople. 
> They've actually lead to some pretty good friendships IRL, which is 
> the best part of them. The other thing I love is seeing new areas of 
> the state I've never been to. Amazing to explore back-country from San 
> Diego to Ventura with the above-mentioned folks. 
>
> I also love the idea of the organized rides/brevets/populairs that are 
> happening like the D2R2 in Vermont, and La Ruta Loca in the Bay Area. 
>
> So I think to myself: Why not combine the two? Which gives us this: 
> http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/ 
>
> Some locals and I are trying to put on an "organized" ride, that shows 
> the best of Inland Southern California in the Spring, and keeps people 
> on as much dirt as possible. The rest is majority back/rural roads. 
> Many of the SoCal rides have been on parts of this route, but this 
> links the segments together in an amazing loop that comes out at just 
> about 100km. 
>
> A decent amount of climbing to keep folks honest, but there are no 
> chest-bursters. Some singletrack as well. Not terrible technical, but 
> 1km section of climbing that may cause some walking. Not a biggie. 
>
> The vibe aimed for his an extended Riv-Ride. There are no timing 
> devices, no podium spots, no t-shirts, just the knowledge that it'll 
> be good people on a good route. 
>
> And it's free! Not a money-maker, either for for profit or charity. 
> Just a good ride! I am trying to arrange a post-ride meal and party 
> hosted by the Redlands Bike BBQ http://www.bikebbq.com/ that will be a 
> donations-only set up. They're good people and I'd like to help them 
> out, but again, that's not the point of the ride. 
>
> So long/short: The ride is on March 15th, 2014. Weather should be 
> great. I hope many of you can make it here for this. Cheap/clean/safe 
> hotels in town. Quaint historic downtown to walk around and lots of 
> Victorian, Arts & Crafts, MCM homes to look at for significant others 
> that may not be into the whole 100km bike ride thing. 
>
> Oh, and two independent breweries in town as well. Just thought I'd 
> mention that! 
>
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> David 
>
> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal 
>

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[RBW] Re: The Mysteries of Bike Assembly

[hsmitham]

Michael,

Very insightful regarding all those points especially the funnel shaped 
entry point and cable size. I suspect some would say the derailleur cables 
needs to be a smaller diameter so the cable flexes a bit more especially at 
the rear with all the curves. I'm just guessing here as I am no expert.

The Trek looks fantastic! Isn't this the second Trek you've brought back to 
life? Anyway good job and enjoy the trip to the City in the West.

~Hugh

On Friday, October 11, 2013 7:59:37 AM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> Since retiring I found that my Trek 620 commuter wasn't seeing much use, 
> and after I bought a Saluki on this list I pretty much stopped riding it 
> all together. I tried selling it but no one made me a decent offer and I 
> liked the ride too much to just give it away.  When someone offered a good 
> set of NOS 650B wheels I decided to go ahead with a long standing plan to 
> convert this bike and add S&S couplers to the frame.  Had to move the canti 
> studs, added DT studs and had it powdercoated, all by Bilenkey.  Pictures 
> here: https://www.icloud.com/photostream/#A2GgZLKuGQYuu6   Sorry about 
> the fuzziness but I find it very difficult to hold an iphone steady enough 
> to take decent pictures.  Other than the wheels, all the parts are stuff I 
> had on hand.
>
> Anyway, every time I put a bike together I find myself wondering about why 
> some things are so much harder than they have to be and why the bike 
> industry hasn't made any attempt to ease the process.  Don't get me started 
> on the bright idea of putting one chainring bolt in backwards! Cables 
> puzzle me the most.  First, threading cable into aero brake levers.  If 
> your light isn't perfect, or your eyes are over 50, or you're working with 
> a used cable that has the slightest bend in it, you will struggle.  Why not 
> make the entry point funnel shaped, or the anchor slotted, or removable, or 
> even make the top of the lever housing removable?  How hard would that be? 
>  Second given how much the industry has worked to reduce inventory (steeply 
> sloping TT & ahead stems for example) why do we still have two cable sizes 
> with two different size housing, two different ends, two different caps and 
> crimps?  I understand that brake cables need to be stronger than derailler 
> cables do, but derailler cables don't need to be weaker.  In 35 years of 
> riding the only cable I have ever broken has been a rear derailler.  I was 
> a long way from home and would have been much happier with a stronger 
> derailler cable as there were a lot of hills for me to negotiate on a 
> single speed bike!  This time the cable disconnects created another 
> complication.  If you haven't used these, the female end of the connectors 
> house a cable end.  But that end is sized to work perfectly with derailler 
> cable.  The brake cable end needs to be filed down in order to fit loosely 
> enough to allow the part to turn.  This is in spite of the fact that they 
> made the brake cable hole a tad larger.  In contrast the male end holds the 
> cable with two set screws, but the entry hole in the brake connect is much 
> smaller than the exit hole and, to my eye, just barely distinguishable from 
> the derailler connect.  I think I spent half the time on this job playing 
> with cables!
>
> Now I'm going to take it on a shake down ride, then disassemble, pack it 
> in a suitcase and fly to Oakland on Tuesday.
>
> Michael
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[RBW] RBW cork bar tape work good over gel strips?

[Michael]

I have Specialized Bar Phat gel on my Sam Noodles. But the tape is getting 
worn.
 
How is the Riv cork tape? Wide enough and flexible enough to wrap over bars 
with gel pads on them?
 
Anyone got pics of their bars with the RBW cork black tape on it?
 
Thanks for any info.

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Re: [RBW] Speaking of Off-Pavent Rides... Come to Redlands this Spring!

[cyclotourist]

Y'all need to set up a carpool!!!

On 10/11/13, allenmichael  wrote:
> One more from st Francis.. Sounds too good to miss.
>
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Re: [RBW] Speaking of Off-Pavent Rides... Come to Redlands this Spring!

[allenmichael]

One more from st Francis.. Sounds too good to miss. 

Michael Allen

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[RBW] Thank you for the photos (AKA vicarious rides)

[Manuel Acosta]

Ditto. 

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[RBW] Does anyone want to trade a pair of Ortlieb Packer Pluses for Roller Packers?

[Patrick Moore]

Note: Pluses, with the waterproof inside. Mine are used but no tears or
scuffs. They are red, and I'd prefer red, but will take black.

I simply don't need the waterproofing, just the size and the wide,
unencumbered mouth.

LMK, offlist, please.

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[RBW] Thank you for the photos (AKA vicarious rides)

[Deacon Patrick]

I haven't been able to go for a ride the past few days and just browsing 
through all your photos on Flickr is a wonderful vicarious adventure that helps 
fill the desire to go and do what I can't right now. Thank you!

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Classic Bicycles Calendar

[Jan Heine]

On Friday, October 11, 2013 8:19:58 AM UTC-7, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> But even Greg's "Gitane" and the Colnago are both lugged steel, i presume?
>
>
Absolutely! Even the Caminargent is lugged, but made from aluminum. Only 
the Jo Routens is fillet-brazed...

Jan Heine
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[RBW] Re: Off pavement riding

[Patrick Moore]

Forgot to say, a propos of Stan's: I've been skinting on the amount I put
into the 29er tubes; 2 oz instead of the 6 oz or so I hear Stan recommends
for tubeless 29er tires. At any rate, today's ride took me through the
usual meadows of goatheads, with thorns momentarily embedded before they
are thrown or pushed out of the tread as one rides.

I had to pump the rear tire twice -- + a third anticipatory time -- on the
10 mile return, but as of right now -- 2 hrs after the last pumping -- no
air loss.

The Lezyne "Alloy Drive" -- the fatter one -- is great for fat, low
pressure tires. 120 or 150 strokes serves to bring the FFs up to what my
educated thumb tells me is 30 psi.

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Re: [RBW] Speaking of Off-Pavent Rides... Come to Redlands this Spring!

[cyclotourist]

>From Diego to Francisco, the saints are going to be well represented!

On 10/9/13, Curtis McKenzie  wrote:
> Sounds like a great time. I will clear the date.
>
> On Wednesday, October 9, 2013, Jeremy Till wrote:
>
>> This sounds amazing!  Just might have to take some time off for this
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 6:14:19 PM UTC-7,
>> cyclot...@gmail.com> 'cyclot...@gmail.com');>wrote:
>>>
>>> Over the years, the SoCal chapter of the Rivendell Bicycle
>>> Appreciation Society has put on a lot of great rides!
>>>
>>> I've loved EVERY one I've been on, and met a lot of greatpeople.
>>> They've actually lead to some pretty good friendships IRL, which is
>>> the best part of them. The other thing I love is seeing new areas of
>>> the state I've never been to. Amazing to explore back-country from San
>>> Diego to Ventura with the above-mentioned folks.
>>>
>>> I also love the idea of the organized rides/brevets/populairs that are
>>> happening like the D2R2 in Vermont, and La Ruta Loca in the Bay Area.
>>>
>>> So I think to myself: Why not combine the two? Which gives us this:
>>> http://redlands-strada-rossa.**blogspot.com/
>>>
>>> Some locals and I are trying to put on an "organized" ride, that shows
>>> the best of Inland Southern California in the Spring, and keeps people
>>> on as much dirt as possible. The rest is majority back/rural roads.
>>> Many of the SoCal rides have been on parts of this route, but this
>>> links the segments together in an amazing loop that comes out at just
>>> about 100km.
>>>
>>> A decent amount of climbing to keep folks honest, but there are no
>>> chest-bursters. Some singletrack as well. Not terrible technical, but
>>> 1km section of climbing that may cause some walking. Not a biggie.
>>>
>>> The vibe aimed for his an extended Riv-Ride. There are no timing
>>> devices, no podium spots, no t-shirts, just the knowledge that it'll
>>> be good people on a good route.
>>>
>>> And it's free! Not a money-maker, either for for profit or charity.
>>> Just a good ride! I am trying to arrange a post-ride meal and party
>>> hosted by the Redlands Bike BBQ http://www.bikebbq.com/ that will be a
>>> donations-only set up. They're good people and I'd like to help them
>>> out, but again, that's not the point of the ride.
>>>
>>> So long/short: The ride is on March 15th, 2014. Weather should be
>>> great. I hope many of you can make it here for this. Cheap/clean/safe
>>> hotels in town. Quaint historic downtown to walk around and lots of
>>> Victorian, Arts & Crafts, MCM homes to look at for significant others
>>> that may not be into the whole 100km bike ride thing.
>>>
>>> Oh, and two independent breweries in town as well. Just thought I'd
>>> mention that!
>>>
>>>
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>>> David
>>>
>>> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 60cm Wilbury on the Bay - Original Rivendell Mixte

[cyclotourist]

Ditto here... although I don't know if I could pull it off, was hoping
to not raise to much awareness... :-) My size, local to me... man it's
tempting.

FYI, original BIN was indeed $2K


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> I was hoping no one posted it on here to reduce exposure:). I am interested
> and will be following price.  Pretty rare to see this mixte for sale in
> 60cm.
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Re: [RBW] Re: My Nitto S-83 doesnt fit Brooks rails

[Tim Gavin]

Yeah, geez.  :)  I feel lucky owning 3 lugged steel bikes.


On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> I'm just imagining the wealth of owning at least 3 Titanium railed Brooks
> saddles.
>
> Did you try 3 of 5?  3 of 20?  3 of 36,000?  The mountains of wealth!
>
> Anyway, like others I run a B17 standard on an S-83, both bought from Riv,
> no rail width issue.
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 4:47:44 PM UTC-7, mike goldman wrote:
>>
>> i tried 3 of my ti B17's and the rails dont fit, too narrow. is this
>> typical of the S-83?
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 60cm Wilbury on the Bay - Original Rivendell Mixte

[Perry]

As nice as the bike is, I have to admit that a bike that size with 650b wheels 
looks odd to my eye. Just a personal thing.

• Perry

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[RBW] Re: Sweater/Top recomendation

[ascpgh]

Jack:

I still have the Patagonia Expedition Weight Capilene zip-T top I bought in 
NWA at the PR with multi-usefulness in mind (an itchy cheap wool option was 
only available in olive green). 

I have s Smartwool merino medium weight jersey knit crew has been my most 
used piece here in Pittsburgh. It starts the season under a short sleeved 
jersey or shirt, becomes the base layer under a very vintage North Face 
VersaTech cycling shell holding off wind, drizzle and cold to the high 20°s 
alone if all things are right, then in the worst cases I put the Expedition 
Weight over the merino crew then the jacket. Commuting in the predawn and 
late night that way with just a few accessory additions here and there to 
adjust for precipitation, accumulation, wind chill and other nominal 
potential discomforts. Looking a bit like a time capsule, but heck, the 
reflector strips still gleam brightly in headlights.

If some of this stuff would just wear out I could justify looking around at 
some of the newer, more wooly things. Good news is that I don't look like 
some peloton domestique who missed the team bus if I wear any of it 
off-bike. I've worn both the crew and the shirt in Times Square, Creede, CO 
and sharing the front bench of a john boat in the Eastern Flyway with my 
legendary old Chesapeake. Never thought a shirt would outlive him. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Friday, October 11, 2013 8:27:43 AM UTC-4, NWAJack wrote:
>
> So I live in Arkansas as opposed to MN :), and I'm looking for a good 
> winter shirt/sweater.  Basically I want something I can wear riding, 
> fishing, and hiking in 40-60 degree weather that could also be worn for 
> "general use".   Too often now I end up with just a cotton sweatshirt or 
> something and want something a little nicer and looks better.   I'm looking 
> the WoolyWarm sweaters and also the Assie Wool Crewneck - any suggestions 
> as to which one?
>  
> Thanks,
> Jack in Arkansas
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Re: [RBW] Re: 60cm Wilbury on the Bay - Original Rivendell Mixte

[Mattt]

I was hoping no one posted it on here to reduce exposure:). I am interested and 
will be following price.  Pretty rare to see this mixte for sale in 60cm.

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[RBW] Re: The Mysteries of Bike Assembly

[Tony DeFilippo]

Michael,

Congrats on your new build!  I'm quite fond of the older Trek's myself and 
converted what I believe to be a 1982 715.  I'd considered the Bilenkey 
S&S, re-paint route as well but I was able to get side pull's that reach 
the 650B rims.  My 42mm EL Hetre's just barely fit, getting the stays 
crimped a bit is something else I'd have done if I went the route of major 
frame work.  What a cool bike to have, seems like you've given it a new 
lease on life!

On the mysteries of bike assembly you bring up a bunch of amusing and 
common sense points, looks like you made it work!

Tony

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[RBW] Re: Sweater/Top recomendation

[M D Smith]

My all time favorite "sweaters" are the lightest weight (200g/m) zip neck 
"base layers" from Woolpower.  They are out of Sweden, I believe, but there 
are a few places that sell it on the interwebs.  Most of mine were 
purchased from Granfors Bruks (lately "famous" in these circles for making 
the axes that Rivendell seems to be so besotted over these days...)
 
http://www.woolpower.se/en/
 
http://www.woolpower.se/en/products/base-layer-garments/zip-turtleneck-200/
 
http://216.147.25.196/klar.html
 
They are almost ethereal:  a woolen version of Mithril, if you will.  Not 
the cheapest thing you'll ever find, but worth every penny.  Super 
lightweight, breathable, and, if I say so my damned self, quite pleasing on 
the eye.  I wear one over a regular old T shirt just about every day from 
October until April.
 
NB:  I have one of the 400g/m sweaters as well and it is just too dang warm 
to wear in anything but the most frigid of Scandinavian wind storms.  That 
one, covered by a rain/wind shell, is as warm as any winter coat I have 
ever owned.  And I live in New England... The 200g/m is a perfect garment.  
 
Cheers- Mike in Htfd, CT

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[RBW] Re: 50mm tires

[Mike Schiller]

Hugh, I know Patrick loves his FF's but those are seriously lightweight 
tires made for off road racing on hardpack.  Minimal tread and super thin 
sidewalls + flats and tears.  The Big Ben's will cover almost all the 
riding you will do off road I think.   I would get the Supreme's or the new 
Marathon Deluxe for road touring if it was me.

~mike

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[RBW] Re: My Nitto S-83 doesnt fit Brooks rails

[Bill Lindsay]

I'm just imagining the wealth of owning at least 3 Titanium railed Brooks 
saddles.

Did you try 3 of 5?  3 of 20?  3 of 36,000?  The mountains of wealth!

Anyway, like others I run a B17 standard on an S-83, both bought from Riv, 
no rail width issue.

On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 4:47:44 PM UTC-7, mike goldman wrote:
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> i tried 3 of my ti B17's and the rails dont fit, too narrow. is this 
> typical of the S-83? 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: First Century!

[Steven Frederick]

The DZ Nuts that she reviews favorably is my current choice as well.  Works
just fine for me.  (I used Assos for years but a formula change a couple of
seasons ago caused a rash reaction that put me right off the stuff.  And
the saddle for a while...)


On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 2:10 AM, doc  wrote:

> Both bikes currently have sprung saddles: the tourer has a B67 Pre-aged
> and the Rando has a Champion Flyer.  Interestingly, when I used the SA, it
> is paired with an inexpensive shock absorber post where I can pre-set the
> firmness and travel.  It makes for a nice ride.
>
> Below is a link to Chamois Cremes from Lovely Bicycle that may prove
> helpful.  I prefer the BP because it is thicker and has more lasting
> benefit.  For me, I really notice the difference.
>
>
> http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2012/06/chamois-creams-comparative-review.html
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 10:52:05 PM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>>
>> Howard - great to hear you were out on the W&OD as well, I would have
>> loved seeing you out on the RAM in particular!
>>
>> Thanks very much Erl and Eric.
>>
>> Doc - thanks for the advice, I'm going to have to look into Andiamo
>> skins.  I'm still not wild about having to use 'butt paste', but I guess
>> I'll have to figure something out as I look at doing these longer rides.
>>  Also a good point about the 'contact area' toughening up, I'm sure it's
>> just like anything else.  Interesting to me that your looking at the SA for
>> an adventure tourer, I"m curious what you think between sprung and unsprung
>> saddles in general and their applications...?  I like the sprung B67 quite
>> a bit but it's an unfair comparison as I've only done ~50 miles at once as
>> opposed to the century on the SA.
>>
>> Manny - I'm totally headed that direction... at least thats my thought
>> right now.  I am pretty jazzed to have done the first one and want to get
>> back out there as soon as I can pick another day.  Lucky for me (but not
>> for my extra recreational time) I am no longer furloughed so I'll have to
>> get in my rides on weekends like everyone else now!  Thanks for the
>> comments on the pictures, particularly coming from you that means alot!!
>>
>>
>> Tony
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 50mm tires

[Deacon Patrick]

Yes, there are Dureme tandem tires, but they have additional bits to the 
standard Dureme and I'm not sure I'd like it. So I'm stocking up on another 
pair offered on this group, which should keep me good for ___ years.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, October 11, 2013 1:12:38 PM UTC-6, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Patrick, 
>
> Don't know but I thought I saw Duremes tandem's on Schwalbe's web site? 
> Don't know if those work for you. And great feedback on your tires.
>
> Are you going to grab those Supreme's on the list. At least that's what I 
> thought they were. I'm mobile at the moment so my accuracy is questionable.
>
> -Hugh
> On Oct 11, 2013 9:34 AM, "Deacon Patrick" > 
> wrote:
>
>> I love my Schwalbe Duremes (700 x 50 mm) and how smooth they are on 
>> paved/packed road yet handle all the single track I've tossed their way 
>> well. If I were doing a trip that involved a lot of mud or sand, I'd likely 
>> want a fat bike. But no flats in the 18 months I've used them. They're 
>> discontinued, but their replacements seem pretty good as well. I love their 
>> handling and especially not having to deal with flats. 
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick 
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[RBW] Re: WTB Moustache Bars

[Ken D]

I have a pair of the mustache bars for sale on this list (see the sale 
tags) for 40 but willing to part with for 30.  I've had both bars and each 
have their advantages - the mustache is definitely the more aggressive bar 
of the two, but less aggressive than being in the drops on a drop bar.  The 
albastache is more of a gentlemen's bar - more David Niven than Hulk Hogan.

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[RBW] 60 cm Red Wilbury - Original Rivendell Mixte - on the Bay

[Charlie R]

These don't come up often - looks real good with some nice equipment.

Way big for me and not associated in any way other than a huge mixte 
fan

Charlie

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[RBW] My Nitto S-83 doesnt fit Brooks rails

[dylan alverson]

You probably have a post  that takes 30 mm rails for Njs saddles

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[RBW] Re: 50mm tires

[Chris Lampe 2]

Hugh,
 
No problem!  The more information we get the better. 
 
Congrats on the 56cm Atlantis.  Of the production bikes out there, that 
would be my first choice and if I had a chance to ride one and like it a 
lot I might even choose it over the custom frameset I plan to have built.  
 
The 820 is a tank and the knobby tires drive me nuts but it's still a fun 
bike to ride!  I've never ridden 26" wheels and trying them out was my 
primary reason for buying the bike.  I'm now pretty committed to 26" 
instead of 700c for my custom.  I can't imagine how fun a lighter and more 
responsive version of this bike (as I assume the Atlantis is and my custom 
will be) would be. 
 

On Thursday, October 10, 2013 2:59:23 AM UTC-5, hsmitham wrote:

> I'm waiting on delivery of a new to me 56 cm Atlantis and have been 
> wondering what tire to go with? First I'm looking for an all round mixed 
> terrain tire that has plenty of cushion and rolls fairly well. I've liked 
> the idea of running the Big Ben's as Schwalbe states they have a bit more 
> tread then the Big Apples and would be good for mixed terrain surfaces, 
> just don't know about their puncture resistance and wear? Also I'd really 
> like to to run the 2.15" effectively 55 mm's (If I'm not careful I may talk 
> myself into picking up a Bomba or Hung) but if I ran fenders am concerned 
> about clearance. For serious off road I may run the Marathon Plus MTB tires 
> in either 1.75" or the 2.10" obviously with out fenders. What about the 
> Marathon Modials does anyone have experience with these? I know that 
> Patrick will recommend Furious Freds with Stan's and I may very well go 
> that route, but just the same I'd like some other feedback on just a good 
> AR tire & tube combo. And Chris not trying to hijack your post just figured 
> I'd throw in some more questions regarding tire selection rather than clog 
> up the list-serve with another post on roughly the same topic.
>
> And congrats on picking up the Trek 820 I almost went that route but the 
> Atlantis fell into my lap and the Trek 850 hangs from the rafters for now.
>
> ~Hugh
>
> On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 4:25:27 AM UTC-7, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:
>>
>> I finally have a bike that will take 50mm tires (1995 Trek 820).  I 
>> bought this bike as a test vehicle for 26" wheels, which I've never ridden 
>> before, but am interested in on a high dollar bike.  My first inclination 
>> is to go with 50mm Big Apples but Schwalbe makes several other tires in the 
>> 50mm size with the Supreme being of particular interest.  
>>  
>> Is the 50mm Big Apple significantly "cushier" than the 50mm Supreme?  Is 
>> it the width or is there something different about the design of the Big 
>> Apple that makes it more comfortable.  The tires will be primarily for 
>> pavement and I want as light and slick as possible with max comfort.  The 
>> Supreme wins in the light & slick category but I don't know if it is as 
>> comfortable.  
>>
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[RBW] WTB: Nitto Tallux 70cm stem

[Bruce Smitham]

I've got a Nitto Tallux 70mm if you're still looking. In great condition off my 
Atlantis. I'm going to Dirtdrop. Was thinking of $60. Give me a call if 
interested 310-968-6910

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[RBW] Re: Schwalbe Raceguard vs. Kevlar guard Big Apple tire performance

[Joe Nelson]

I would also like to know.

The website says the following which isn't very useful as it doesn't claim 
one to be more puncture resistant than the other:
*Kevlar®Guard*
We have improved the well known Kevlar belt. The protective layer is 
stronger and safer, but, at the same time, now more flexible. Result: The 
protection level is higher and rolling resistance lower.*RaceGuard®*
This belt was developed specially with racing in mind. A synthesis of 
special india rubber and several layers of nylon fabric offers very 
effective protection against penetration punctures. There is only a minimal 
increase in weight and rolling resistance of these tires.

On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 11:45:01 PM UTC, Kelson Kwong wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I happened to order some Big Apple wheels for my new bike, but got shipped 
> the wrong tires. The price was right, but wondering, do people have any 
> opinion about the kevlar version of Big-Apple tires vs. the raceguard 
> versions?
>
> I've read varying reports online, where people think it was a cost-cutting 
> change (that kevlar is more expensive than raceguard --> yet raceguard is 
> $10 more than kevlar in stores). There seems to be a weight difference, but 
> I don't care so much about that...
>
> Any thoughts from anyone?
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Re: [RBW] Speaking of Off-Pavent Rides... Come to Redlands this Spring!

[Curtis McKenzie]

Sounds like a great time. I will clear the date.

On Wednesday, October 9, 2013, Jeremy Till wrote:

> This sounds amazing!  Just might have to take some time off for this
>
> On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 6:14:19 PM UTC-7, 
> cyclot...@gmail.comwrote:
>>
>> Over the years, the SoCal chapter of the Rivendell Bicycle
>> Appreciation Society has put on a lot of great rides!
>>
>> I've loved EVERY one I've been on, and met a lot of greatpeople.
>> They've actually lead to some pretty good friendships IRL, which is
>> the best part of them. The other thing I love is seeing new areas of
>> the state I've never been to. Amazing to explore back-country from San
>> Diego to Ventura with the above-mentioned folks.
>>
>> I also love the idea of the organized rides/brevets/populairs that are
>> happening like the D2R2 in Vermont, and La Ruta Loca in the Bay Area.
>>
>> So I think to myself: Why not combine the two? Which gives us this:
>> http://redlands-strada-rossa.**blogspot.com/
>>
>> Some locals and I are trying to put on an "organized" ride, that shows
>> the best of Inland Southern California in the Spring, and keeps people
>> on as much dirt as possible. The rest is majority back/rural roads.
>> Many of the SoCal rides have been on parts of this route, but this
>> links the segments together in an amazing loop that comes out at just
>> about 100km.
>>
>> A decent amount of climbing to keep folks honest, but there are no
>> chest-bursters. Some singletrack as well. Not terrible technical, but
>> 1km section of climbing that may cause some walking. Not a biggie.
>>
>> The vibe aimed for his an extended Riv-Ride. There are no timing
>> devices, no podium spots, no t-shirts, just the knowledge that it'll
>> be good people on a good route.
>>
>> And it's free! Not a money-maker, either for for profit or charity.
>> Just a good ride! I am trying to arrange a post-ride meal and party
>> hosted by the Redlands Bike BBQ http://www.bikebbq.com/ that will be a
>> donations-only set up. They're good people and I'd like to help them
>> out, but again, that's not the point of the ride.
>>
>> So long/short: The ride is on March 15th, 2014. Weather should be
>> great. I hope many of you can make it here for this. Cheap/clean/safe
>> hotels in town. Quaint historic downtown to walk around and lots of
>> Victorian, Arts & Crafts, MCM homes to look at for significant others
>> that may not be into the whole 100km bike ride thing.
>>
>> Oh, and two independent breweries in town as well. Just thought I'd
>> mention that!
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> David
>>
>> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>>
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[RBW] Re: My Nitto S-83 doesnt fit Brooks rails

[jphillip...@me.com]

I've had this trouble w/ a couple of Brooks saddles. If you remove the seat 
post and hold it in your lap or on a table, it is a bit easier to slowly 
tighten the bolt and gently force the rails to fit the seat post.  I 
tighten the seat post bolt first in the middle, and then at both ends of 
the rails. Once done, there's no problem mounting the saddle on a seat post.

Hope this helps,

John  

On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 4:47:44 PM UTC-7, mike goldman wrote:
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> i tried 3 of my ti B17's and the rails dont fit, too narrow. is this 
> typical of the S-83? 
>
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[RBW] Re: 50mm tires

[Shoji Takahashi]

Hi Hugh,
I've been riding Big Bens on my Hunqapillar (48cm takes 26" wheels) for the 
past several months, and probably ridden ~1,000 miles. I got them from Riv, 
mounted to Aeroheat rims, and they measure just over 52mm now. You can find 
picks on the Flickr group.

I mainly ride them on the pot-holed streets of Cambridge (plenty of glass 
and other debris), though they've seen some dirt roads/paths and plenty of 
tree-root bumps.

I've not experienced any flats, and the side walls look good. The tread in 
the center contact area is showing a little wear, but not excessive. I'm 
~155#, and I've jumped curbs and been practicing bunny hops. That said, 
I've ridden Jack Brown Greens on the same roads and trails, and haven't 
flatted, so I don't think no flats is necessarily meaningful. Also, we're 
fortunate not to have goat heads to contend with over here.

I would recommend the Big Bens as a good all-rounder tire. For my commuting 
needs, I'm interested in the Compass 26" tires. (Big Bens don't feel slow, 
but I'd like to try a lighter weight tire... love the JB Greens on 700C.)

Congrats on the Atlantis. Looking forward to seeing it set up.

Shoji


On Thursday, October 10, 2013 3:59:23 AM UTC-4, hsmitham wrote:
>
> I'm waiting on delivery of a new to me 56 cm Atlantis and have been 
> wondering what tire to go with? First I'm looking for an all round mixed 
> terrain tire that has plenty of cushion and rolls fairly well. I've liked 
> the idea of running the Big Ben's as Schwalbe states they have a bit more 
> tread then the Big Apples and would be good for mixed terrain surfaces, 
> just don't know about their puncture resistance and wear? Also I'd really 
> like to to run the 2.15" effectively 55 mm's (If I'm not careful I may talk 
> myself into picking up a Bomba or Hung) but if I ran fenders am concerned 
> about clearance. For serious off road I may run the Marathon Plus MTB tires 
> in either 1.75" or the 2.10" obviously with out fenders. What about the 
> Marathon Modials does anyone have experience with these? I know that 
> Patrick will recommend Furious Freds with Stan's and I may very well go 
> that route, but just the same I'd like some other feedback on just a good 
> AR tire & tube combo. And Chris not trying to hijack your post just figured 
> I'd throw in some more questions regarding tire selection rather than clog 
> up the list-serve with another post on roughly the same topic.
>
> And congrats on picking up the Trek 820 I almost went that route but the 
> Atlantis fell into my lap and the Trek 850 hangs from the rafters for now.
>
> ~Hugh
>
> On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 4:25:27 AM UTC-7, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:
>>
>> I finally have a bike that will take 50mm tires (1995 Trek 820).  I 
>> bought this bike as a test vehicle for 26" wheels, which I've never ridden 
>> before, but am interested in on a high dollar bike.  My first inclination 
>> is to go with 50mm Big Apples but Schwalbe makes several other tires in the 
>> 50mm size with the Supreme being of particular interest.  
>>  
>> Is the 50mm Big Apple significantly "cushier" than the 50mm Supreme?  Is 
>> it the width or is there something different about the design of the Big 
>> Apple that makes it more comfortable.  The tires will be primarily for 
>> pavement and I want as light and slick as possible with max comfort.  The 
>> Supreme wins in the light & slick category but I don't know if it is as 
>> comfortable.  
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 60cm Wilbury on the Bay - Original Rivendell Mixte

[Peter Morgano]

I swear I think it was 2k, I was putting out feelers at home but I have an
offer in on a house and was told a firm no... Ah well, Someone is gonna get
a sweet ride.
On Oct 11, 2013 3:18 PM, "Bill Lindsay"  wrote:

> GAH!  WANT!!
>
> ##makes grabby hands##
>
> what was the BuyItNow price?
>
> On Friday, October 11, 2013 7:10:05 AM UTC-7, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>>
>> Oh, that is nice...
>>
>> On Friday, October 11, 2013 6:40:40 AM UTC-4, Charlie wrote:
>>>
>>> This is my second attempt to post this - first attempt did not show up -
>>> might have used an incorrect Google ID.
>>>
>>> In any event, there is a beautiful red original mixte with good
>>> equipment on the Bay.  These don't show up that often.  Have no association
>>> with seller.
>>>
>>> Charlie
>>>
>>> Apologies if this message appears twice.  Also not sure if links are
>>> permitted so didn't include one - should be very easy to find though.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: 60cm Wilbury on the Bay - Original Rivendell Mixte

[Bill Lindsay]

GAH!  WANT!!  

##makes grabby hands##

what was the BuyItNow price?  

On Friday, October 11, 2013 7:10:05 AM UTC-7, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>
> Oh, that is nice... 
>
> On Friday, October 11, 2013 6:40:40 AM UTC-4, Charlie wrote:
>>
>> This is my second attempt to post this - first attempt did not show up - 
>> might have used an incorrect Google ID.
>>
>> In any event, there is a beautiful red original mixte with good equipment 
>> on the Bay.  These don't show up that often.  Have no association with 
>> seller.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> Apologies if this message appears twice.  Also not sure if links are 
>> permitted so didn't include one - should be very easy to find though. 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 50mm tires

[Hugh Smitham]

Patrick,

Don't know but I thought I saw Duremes tandem's on Schwalbe's web site?
Don't know if those work for you. And great feedback on your tires.

Are you going to grab those Supreme's on the list. At least that's what I
thought they were. I'm mobile at the moment so my accuracy is questionable.

-Hugh
On Oct 11, 2013 9:34 AM, "Deacon Patrick"  wrote:

> I love my Schwalbe Duremes (700 x 50 mm) and how smooth they are on
> paved/packed road yet handle all the single track I've tossed their way
> well. If I were doing a trip that involved a lot of mud or sand, I'd likely
> want a fat bike. But no flats in the 18 months I've used them. They're
> discontinued, but their replacements seem pretty good as well. I love their
> handling and especially not having to deal with flats.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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Re: [RBW] Re: 50mm tires

[Patrick Moore]

Hugh: a word of warning about the Furious Freds. They are wonderful tires,
with sealant, and are probably the best "all rounder-type riding" tires, at
least for my taste -- wide, soft, light, fast, more dirt than pavement. But
they are veruy thin and for rocks and roots I'd suggest something beefier
-- in my case, I got a good deal on nice, light Weirwolfs, but I had
thought of the RAcing Ralph. In fact, if I were in your shoes, or on your
bike, I'd very carefully consider swapping the BBs for singletrack and the
FFs for AR riding.

Note that the FFs are certainly sturdier than the Parigi Roubaixs I have on
the Ram; don't get me wrong, they are not delicate tires, just not heavy
duty ones.


On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Hugh Smitham  wrote:

> Mike,
>
> I'm going to go with the Big Ben's for AR riding and Smart Sam's or
> Furious Fred's for single track. Thanks for the input.
>
> -Hugh
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Re: [RBW] Re: 50mm tires

[Hugh Smitham]

Mike,

I'm going to go with the Big Ben's for AR riding and Smart Sam's or Furious
Fred's for single track. Thanks for the input.

-Hugh
On Oct 11, 2013 9:26 AM, "Mike Schiller"  wrote:

> I used the Ritchey Speedmax Beta on my lugged Stumpjumper. Rolls well on
> pavement and off road.
> http://ritcheylogic.com/mountain/tires/speedmax-beta-mountain-tire.html
>
> I had the 40mm version of the Smart Sams on my Hillborne.  Pretty slow on
> pavement but does well off-road.
>
> I think the Big Ben's are a great all rounder.  Jim Warren has them on his
> Hunqa and loves them.
>
> ~mike
>
> On Thursday, October 10, 2013 11:14:32 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> I just read Dave's comments on the Smart Sam's. So if your riding a 58 cm
>> or larger Atlantis then you need to go with the 45's as I read it the 26"
>> Atlantis's can take the 2.1"/55 mm tire of course with out no fenders.
>>
>> Still need recommendations on a All rounder slicker tread though.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Brencho  wrote:
>>
>>> I like the look of the Smart Sam's up on riv's website. Seem to roll
>>> well since the star that runs down along the tire seems to connect from one
>>> to the other for some nice rolling. I'm wondering, does anyone know if an
>>> atlantis would fit the 55s without fenders? I'd rather that over the 45s,
>>> and am in no position to pick up a hunq!
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Re: [RBW] Re: About to start experimenting with centerpulls

[Patrick Moore]

Spoken like a true professional. Someone should write up a "Rivendell's Way
To Canti/V/Centerpull/Single Pivot/Dual Pivot Happiness." The IRDs on the
Sam that Riv set up were the best brakes I've used, bar none, and I've used
most of them.

Speak more to us about housing: quality, lubrication (what about the
plastic lined stuff?), even ends, ferrules, lengths, bends, and of cables
themselves -- gauge, what have you. I will sit quietly and listen.

I've never had much luck setting up cantis for drop bar levers, so I can
stand to learn much there, having tried with a vast variety of makes and
models -- so much so that I've avoided cantis on my bikes.

Patrick Moore, who has been procrastinating in replacing the disk pads on
his Fargo, which he means nonetheless to ride this afternoon in ABQ, NM.



On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 11:43 AM, brian tester wrote:

> Howdy folks. Speaking as a Rivendell Bicycle Works mechanic, I can offer a
> couple of tidbits about brake stuff that may help out here:
>
> It's one thing to compare brakes to brakes -- Silver sidepulls to Paul
> Racers, for an easy example -- but it's another thing to compare brake
> *set-ups* from bike to bike. There are variables! The brake itself is part
> of a *system* that consists of cables, housing, ferrules, possibly
> straddle cable and yoke position, brake pads and their toe-in or lack
> thereof, brake levers, hangers, frame braze-ons, and, finally, brakes. I
> could mention tires, too, since these are essentially huge brake pads that
> provide friction against the ground. Too easy, then, to look at the brake
> as the only component of note in stopping a bike.
>
> So, it's worth it to look at housing quality, length, and curvature, and
> to look at the finishing on the ends of the housing -- is it flat?
> Flattened on a grinder or file, or is it all sharp and burr-covered? It
> matters! Is the housing the jet-lubed variety? Is it dry as a desert gulch
> in there? Is there a funny kink in the housing, or is it too short or too
> long? These things will directly effect braking feel. Maybe way more than
> the brakes themselves.
>
> It's worth noting that if a brake didn't work at all, we would all know
> it, it would probably no longer be sold, or at least the maker would be a
> disgrace. I have encountered bikes with Paul Racers that frankly frightened
> me in their reluctance to slow down my forward momentum. Same with
> cantilevers, which can be tricky to set up right even for mechanics. I also
> have experienced, on my own bike, humble  sidepulls that will safely and
> reliably slow/stop on trails that I have no business riding on.
>
> If something is *the best*, then all the other things are some degree of
> *worst*. What if, however, there is merely a range of acceptable/workable,
> and it's our responsibility to make the most of the setup?
>
> Sometimes I think disc brakes are taking off merely because the successful
> setup element is more or less simplified to the point of disappearing. Set
> up any brake just right, and the bike *will* stop. Then, it's up to us to
> learn how best to use the brakes.
>
> Anyway, just my two or three cents. Give a call in to RBW if you want to
> discuss this some more.
>
> Best,
> Brian
>
> On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 11:30:30 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> I'm going to start playing around a little bit with centerpull brakes on
>> at least one of my caliper brake equipped bikes.  I bought a pair of the
>> snazzy Gran Compe 610s and the tiny optional front rack from Velo Orange.
>>  They will be replacing Tektro R539 on my "budget Roadeo".
>>
>> Riv Content:  I am no longer capable of taking a bike seriously if it
>> doesn't have a front rack on it, thanks to Riv.  I'm obsessed with getting
>> more clearance for fenders and chubby tires for safety, thanks to Riv.
>>
>> Anyway, can anyone share about changing straight from modern dual pivot
>> caliper brakes to centerpulls and liking them better?  I'm interested to
>> hear about it.
>>
>> FYI, that little rack is TINY.  Check it out next to the Nitto Mini Front:
>>
>>
>> 
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[RBW] Re: About to start experimenting with centerpulls

[Bill Lindsay]

Brian nailed it.  

On Friday, October 11, 2013 10:43:28 AM UTC-7, brian tester wrote:
>
> Howdy folks. Speaking as a Rivendell Bicycle Works mechanic, I can offer a 
> couple of tidbits about brake stuff that may help out here:
>
> It's one thing to compare brakes to brakes -- Silver sidepulls to Paul 
> Racers, for an easy example -- but it's another thing to compare brake 
> *set-ups* from bike to bike. There are variables! The brake itself is part 
> of a *system* that consists of cables, housing, ferrules, possibly 
> straddle cable and yoke position, brake pads and their toe-in or lack 
> thereof, brake levers, hangers, frame braze-ons, and, finally, brakes. I 
> could mention tires, too, since these are essentially huge brake pads that 
> provide friction against the ground. Too easy, then, to look at the brake 
> as the only component of note in stopping a bike.
>
> So, it's worth it to look at housing quality, length, and curvature, and 
> to look at the finishing on the ends of the housing -- is it flat? 
> Flattened on a grinder or file, or is it all sharp and burr-covered? It 
> matters! Is the housing the jet-lubed variety? Is it dry as a desert gulch 
> in there? Is there a funny kink in the housing, or is it too short or too 
> long? These things will directly effect braking feel. Maybe way more than 
> the brakes themselves. 
>
> It's worth noting that if a brake didn't work at all, we would all know 
> it, it would probably no longer be sold, or at least the maker would be a 
> disgrace. I have encountered bikes with Paul Racers that frankly frightened 
> me in their reluctance to slow down my forward momentum. Same with 
> cantilevers, which can be tricky to set up right even for mechanics. I also 
> have experienced, on my own bike, humble  sidepulls that will safely and 
> reliably slow/stop on trails that I have no business riding on.
>
> If something is *the best*, then all the other things are some degree of 
> *worst*. What if, however, there is merely a range of acceptable/workable, 
> and it's our responsibility to make the most of the setup?
>
> Sometimes I think disc brakes are taking off merely because the successful 
> setup element is more or less simplified to the point of disappearing. Set 
> up any brake just right, and the bike *will* stop. Then, it's up to us to 
> learn how best to use the brakes.
>
> Anyway, just my two or three cents. Give a call in to RBW if you want to 
> discuss this some more.
>
> Best,
> Brian
>
> On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 11:30:30 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> I'm going to start playing around a little bit with centerpull brakes on 
>> at least one of my caliper brake equipped bikes.  I bought a pair of the 
>> snazzy Gran Compe 610s and the tiny optional front rack from Velo Orange. 
>>  They will be replacing Tektro R539 on my "budget Roadeo".  
>>
>> Riv Content:  I am no longer capable of taking a bike seriously if it 
>> doesn't have a front rack on it, thanks to Riv.  I'm obsessed with getting 
>> more clearance for fenders and chubby tires for safety, thanks to Riv.  
>>
>> Anyway, can anyone share about changing straight from modern dual pivot 
>> caliper brakes to centerpulls and liking them better?  I'm interested to 
>> hear about it.  
>>
>> FYI, that little rack is TINY.  Check it out next to the Nitto Mini Front:
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Off-pavement riding

[Steven Frederick]

Tut, nothing really exists until it's been successfully marketed,
accessorized and niche'd.  B-)

Steve


On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 1:33 PM, ayjaydee  wrote:

> What are your thoughts on this sudden "discovery" of the pleasures of
> off-pavement riding by the gravel specific bike manufacturers. It seems to
> me that they feel they have invented a whole new form of bicycle activity.
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[RBW] Re: About to start experimenting with centerpulls

[brian tester]

Howdy folks. Speaking as a Rivendell Bicycle Works mechanic, I can offer a 
couple of tidbits about brake stuff that may help out here:

It's one thing to compare brakes to brakes -- Silver sidepulls to Paul 
Racers, for an easy example -- but it's another thing to compare brake 
*set-ups* from bike to bike. There are variables! The brake itself is part 
of a *system* that consists of cables, housing, ferrules, possibly straddle 
cable and yoke position, brake pads and their toe-in or lack thereof, brake 
levers, hangers, frame braze-ons, and, finally, brakes. I could mention 
tires, too, since these are essentially huge brake pads that provide 
friction against the ground. Too easy, then, to look at the brake as the 
only component of note in stopping a bike.

So, it's worth it to look at housing quality, length, and curvature, and to 
look at the finishing on the ends of the housing -- is it flat? Flattened 
on a grinder or file, or is it all sharp and burr-covered? It matters! Is 
the housing the jet-lubed variety? Is it dry as a desert gulch in there? Is 
there a funny kink in the housing, or is it too short or too long? These 
things will directly effect braking feel. Maybe way more than the brakes 
themselves. 

It's worth noting that if a brake didn't work at all, we would all know it, 
it would probably no longer be sold, or at least the maker would be a 
disgrace. I have encountered bikes with Paul Racers that frankly frightened 
me in their reluctance to slow down my forward momentum. Same with 
cantilevers, which can be tricky to set up right even for mechanics. I also 
have experienced, on my own bike, humble  sidepulls that will safely and 
reliably slow/stop on trails that I have no business riding on.

If something is *the best*, then all the other things are some degree of 
*worst*. What if, however, there is merely a range of acceptable/workable, 
and it's our responsibility to make the most of the setup?

Sometimes I think disc brakes are taking off merely because the successful 
setup element is more or less simplified to the point of disappearing. Set 
up any brake just right, and the bike *will* stop. Then, it's up to us to 
learn how best to use the brakes.

Anyway, just my two or three cents. Give a call in to RBW if you want to 
discuss this some more.

Best,
Brian

On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 11:30:30 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I'm going to start playing around a little bit with centerpull brakes on 
> at least one of my caliper brake equipped bikes.  I bought a pair of the 
> snazzy Gran Compe 610s and the tiny optional front rack from Velo Orange. 
>  They will be replacing Tektro R539 on my "budget Roadeo".  
>
> Riv Content:  I am no longer capable of taking a bike seriously if it 
> doesn't have a front rack on it, thanks to Riv.  I'm obsessed with getting 
> more clearance for fenders and chubby tires for safety, thanks to Riv.  
>
> Anyway, can anyone share about changing straight from modern dual pivot 
> caliper brakes to centerpulls and liking them better?  I'm interested to 
> hear about it.  
>
> FYI, that little rack is TINY.  Check it out next to the Nitto Mini Front:
>
>
> 
>
>

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[RBW] Sunrise Report, 10/11/13

[Christopher Chen]

Nice date, that.

Started at Rincon Park, at the base of the Bay Bridge. Realized that it
being dark, it would be kind of hard to find anyone that actually showed up
unless they already knew my cell phone or email address. Two folks joined
at the Ferry Terminal, as we rode along the waterfront trail. Turned up
North Point, to Stockton Street, and a nice climb up Lombard to the top of
Telegraph Hill.

Yet another foggy sunrise, but it was nice and quiet. Runners came by, a
few dog walkers, and some old people practicing Tai-Chi.

I realized I'm practicing the whole "go alone the first times if you have
to, telling your friends, lying if you have to, how much fun it is..."
thing from Grant's s24o primer.

San Francisco not being my home, I rented a bike share bicycle, an
interesting contraption with internal gears and drum brakes. A good bike
for a morning climb. I was joined by a Breezer and a nice Fuji touring
bike. My oh my were the tires overinflated.

Pictures prove we were wired.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/10209500136/
https://twitter.com/secretasianman/status/388700187058642945

Keep Riding,

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[RBW] Re: 50mm tires

[Deacon Patrick]

I love my Schwalbe Duremes (700 x 50 mm) and how smooth they are on 
paved/packed road yet handle all the single track I've tossed their way 
well. If I were doing a trip that involved a lot of mud or sand, I'd likely 
want a fat bike. But no flats in the 18 months I've used them. They're 
discontinued, but their replacements seem pretty good as well. I love their 
handling and especially not having to deal with flats. 

With abandon,
Patrick 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 50mm tires

[Mike Schiller]

I used the Ritchey Speedmax Beta on my lugged Stumpjumper. Rolls well on 
pavement and off road.  
http://ritcheylogic.com/mountain/tires/speedmax-beta-mountain-tire.html

I had the 40mm version of the Smart Sams on my Hillborne.  Pretty slow on 
pavement but does well off-road.

I think the Big Ben's are a great all rounder.  Jim Warren has them on his 
Hunqa and loves them.

~mike

On Thursday, October 10, 2013 11:14:32 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>
> I just read Dave's comments on the Smart Sam's. So if your riding a 58 cm 
> or larger Atlantis then you need to go with the 45's as I read it the 26" 
> Atlantis's can take the 2.1"/55 mm tire of course with out no fenders. 
>
> Still need recommendations on a All rounder slicker tread though.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>
> ~Hugh
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Brencho  >wrote:
>
>> I like the look of the Smart Sam's up on riv's website. Seem to roll well 
>> since the star that runs down along the tire seems to connect from one to 
>> the other for some nice rolling. I'm wondering, does anyone know if an 
>> atlantis would fit the 55s without fenders? I'd rather that over the 45s, 
>> and am in no position to pick up a hunq!
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[RBW] About to start experimenting with centerpulls

[RoadieRyan]

Bill, my first reaction to the diacompe rack was also - it's so tiny it's cute. 
Ended up using it as a basket support on my sister-in-laws bike.

I have been refurbishing old 10 speeds for the last few years and have found 
center pulls as good or better than side pulls.

Ryan S

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Re: [RBW] Classic Bicycles Calendar

[Tim Gavin]

But even Greg's "Gitane" and the Colnago are both lugged steel, i presume?


On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 8:53 AM, Jan Heine  wrote:

> After the success of last year's *Classic Bicycles* Calendar – our stocks
> sold out within a single day! – we teamed up with Rizzoli again to bring
> you a *2014 Calendar of Classic Bicycles*. Once again, it features
> beautiful studio photographs of an eclectic selection of wonderful
> machines. The range of bikes runs from the beautifully conventional to the
> truly incredible, like the Labor with its single-sided fork (in 1910!) or
> the Hirondelle Retro-Directe with its figure-8 chain. There are beauties
> from Caminargent and Oscar Egg, a lovely 1890s Humber, as well as historic
> machines like a PBP-winning René Herse, Ernest Csuka's personal Alex
> Singer, and a tandem that set the hour record in the 1930s. With the
> exception of Greg LeMond's Gitane and Guiseppe Saronni's Colnago, they are
> all Riv-approved bikes with large clearances and fender eyelets... ;-)
>
> More information is here:
>
>
> http://janheine.wordpress.com/2013/10/11/bqs-calendar-of-classic-bicycles-2014/
>
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[RBW] Re: Off-pavement riding

[numbnuts]

On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 10:33:50 AM UTC-7, ayjaydee wrote:
>
> What are your thoughts on this sudden "discovery" of the pleasures of 
> off-pavement riding by the gravel specific bike manufacturers. It seems to 
> me that they feel they have invented a whole new form of bicycle activity.
>

Well, that's it! All of cycling is really just a long continuum, but 
marketing people want to focus us on a 'new' thing, which is really just a 
part of the continuum that was always there. Rarely, in cycling and most 
everywhere else, is something really 'new'. 

To me, personal watercraft were 'new'. At least until I looked into the 
other sorta similar water born personal propulsion thingamabobs. But to me, 
they were new. So maybe to some a 'gravel' bike will also be new. 

That said, bigger tires are good, and drop bar bikes that can ride in the 
dirt are good. So where's the rub?

Well, to me the rub is that marketing can serve to divide people into 
segments, or boxes, rather than to promote the bigger truth, which is that 
were all just part of one big continuum. I add to the already long list of 
cycling descriptors...'Gravel Guy/Gal'. 

As in..

Dude: 'You ride?' 
Dudette: 'Yep, sure do.' 
Dude: 'Whatcha into?'
Dudette: 'Is that a trick question?'
Dude: 'Naa, just wondering what kind of riding you do.'
Dudette: 'Ahh, I'm a Gravel Gal.'
Dude: 'Oh, so you like to get dirty.'
Dudette: 'Go away!'

Smooth tracks,
Chris
Redding, Ca.



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[RBW] Re: Sweater/Top recomendation

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

My favorite cool weather "sweater" (or equivalent) is a fine thread + 
tightly woven Pendleton button up. It blocks the wind better than either 
the sweaters or shirts from Riv. I own/wear a WollyWarm vest sometimes. I 
also have an Ausie Wool zip-neck that I love and wear frequently. If I were 
starting from scratch... I would get one of the Riv garmmets for insulation 
and a Pendleton as a shell. This set up works fine in fog or mist, but will 
certainly soak through in a downpour.   

Filson might have something too. 

--Smitty

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[RBW] The Mysteries of Bike Assembly

[Michael Hechmer]

Since retiring I found that my Trek 620 commuter wasn't seeing much use, 
and after I bought a Saluki on this list I pretty much stopped riding it 
all together. I tried selling it but no one made me a decent offer and I 
liked the ride too much to just give it away.  When someone offered a good 
set of NOS 650B wheels I decided to go ahead with a long standing plan to 
convert this bike and add S&S couplers to the frame.  Had to move the canti 
studs, added DT studs and had it powdercoated, all by Bilenkey.  Pictures 
here: https://www.icloud.com/photostream/#A2GgZLKuGQYuu6   Sorry about the 
fuzziness but I find it very difficult to hold an iphone steady enough to 
take decent pictures.  Other than the wheels, all the parts are stuff I had 
on hand.

Anyway, every time I put a bike together I find myself wondering about why 
some things are so much harder than they have to be and why the bike 
industry hasn't made any attempt to ease the process.  Don't get me started 
on the bright idea of putting one chainring bolt in backwards! Cables 
puzzle me the most.  First, threading cable into aero brake levers.  If 
your light isn't perfect, or your eyes are over 50, or you're working with 
a used cable that has the slightest bend in it, you will struggle.  Why not 
make the entry point funnel shaped, or the anchor slotted, or removable, or 
even make the top of the lever housing removable?  How hard would that be? 
 Second given how much the industry has worked to reduce inventory (steeply 
sloping TT & ahead stems for example) why do we still have two cable sizes 
with two different size housing, two different ends, two different caps and 
crimps?  I understand that brake cables need to be stronger than derailler 
cables do, but derailler cables don't need to be weaker.  In 35 years of 
riding the only cable I have ever broken has been a rear derailler.  I was 
a long way from home and would have been much happier with a stronger 
derailler cable as there were a lot of hills for me to negotiate on a 
single speed bike!  This time the cable disconnects created another 
complication.  If you haven't used these, the female end of the connectors 
house a cable end.  But that end is sized to work perfectly with derailler 
cable.  The brake cable end needs to be filed down in order to fit loosely 
enough to allow the part to turn.  This is in spite of the fact that they 
made the brake cable hole a tad larger.  In contrast the male end holds the 
cable with two set screws, but the entry hole in the brake connect is much 
smaller than the exit hole and, to my eye, just barely distinguishable from 
the derailler connect.  I think I spent half the time on this job playing 
with cables!

Now I'm going to take it on a shake down ride, then disassemble, pack it in 
a suitcase and fly to Oakland on Tuesday.

Michael

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[RBW] Re: Sweater/Top recomendation

[Deacon Patrick]

I can't speak to the roll polly one, but love my Sargent sweaters. Elbow 
patches make them last a lot longer for me.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, October 11, 2013 7:31:29 AM UTC-6, NWAJack wrote:
>
> Does the rollyneck one tend to run tight on the neck?   I think that would 
> bug me, but not sure I like the patches on the military looking 
> one..choices choices... :)
>
> On Friday, October 11, 2013 7:27:43 AM UTC-5, NWAJack wrote:
>
>>  So I live in Arkansas as opposed to MN :), and I'm looking for a good 
>> winter shirt/sweater.  Basically I want somthing I can wear riding, 
>> fishing, and hiking in 40-60 degree weather that could also be worn for 
>> "general use".   Too often now I end up with just a cotton sweatshirt or 
>> something and want something a little nicer and looks better.   I'm looking 
>> the WoolyWarm sweaters and also the Assie Wool Crewneck - any suggestions 
>> as to which one?
>>  
>> Thanks,
>> Jack in Arkansas
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: About to start experimenting with centerpulls

[Peter Morgano]

Haha. In all seriousness though I always found centerpulls the most
aesthetically pleasing, being a C&V guy for a while but also found no real
difference in stopping. They did give a bit more clearance to run Hetres on
my AHH, however.
On Oct 11, 2013 10:29 AM, "Montclair BobbyB" 
wrote:

> *"Experimenting with Centerpulls, you say?"*...  Careful, some regard
> centerpulls as a "gateway" brake... leading to heavier stuff, like drum and
> eventually hydraulic brakes...  Don't go there, friend... I'm living it,
> and have been trying to get clean for years... it's a dark place.
>
> Just say NO...
>
> (TGIF, I'm losing it..)
>
> On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 2:30:30 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> I'm going to start playing around a little bit with centerpull brakes on
>> at least one of my caliper brake equipped bikes.  I bought a pair of the
>> snazzy Gran Compe 610s and the tiny optional front rack from Velo Orange.
>>  They will be replacing Tektro R539 on my "budget Roadeo".
>>
>> Riv Content:  I am no longer capable of taking a bike seriously if it
>> doesn't have a front rack on it, thanks to Riv.  I'm obsessed with getting
>> more clearance for fenders and chubby tires for safety, thanks to Riv.
>>
>> Anyway, can anyone share about changing straight from modern dual pivot
>> caliper brakes to centerpulls and liking them better?  I'm interested to
>> hear about it.
>>
>> FYI, that little rack is TINY.  Check it out next to the Nitto Mini Front:
>>
>>
>> 
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[RBW] Re: About to start experimenting with centerpulls

[Montclair BobbyB]

*"Experimenting with Centerpulls, you say?"*...  Careful, some regard 
centerpulls as a "gateway" brake... leading to heavier stuff, like drum and 
eventually hydraulic brakes...  Don't go there, friend... I'm living it, 
and have been trying to get clean for years... it's a dark place. 

Just say NO... 

(TGIF, I'm losing it..)

On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 2:30:30 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I'm going to start playing around a little bit with centerpull brakes on 
> at least one of my caliper brake equipped bikes.  I bought a pair of the 
> snazzy Gran Compe 610s and the tiny optional front rack from Velo Orange. 
>  They will be replacing Tektro R539 on my "budget Roadeo".  
>
> Riv Content:  I am no longer capable of taking a bike seriously if it 
> doesn't have a front rack on it, thanks to Riv.  I'm obsessed with getting 
> more clearance for fenders and chubby tires for safety, thanks to Riv.  
>
> Anyway, can anyone share about changing straight from modern dual pivot 
> caliper brakes to centerpulls and liking them better?  I'm interested to 
> hear about it.  
>
> FYI, that little rack is TINY.  Check it out next to the Nitto Mini Front:
>
>
> 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 60cm Wilbury on the Bay - Original Rivendell Mixte

[Montclair BobbyB]

Oh, that is nice... 

On Friday, October 11, 2013 6:40:40 AM UTC-4, Charlie wrote:
>
> This is my second attempt to post this - first attempt did not show up - 
> might have used an incorrect Google ID.
>
> In any event, there is a beautiful red original mixte with good equipment 
> on the Bay.  These don't show up that often.  Have no association with 
> seller.
>
> Charlie
>
> Apologies if this message appears twice.  Also not sure if links are 
> permitted so didn't include one - should be very easy to find though. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 60cm Wilbury on the Bay - Original Rivendell Mixte

[cyclotourist]

I have my eye on it... for sale just down the road from me. I've
wanted a Riv mixte for quite a while, hoping it doesn't go too high.

On 10/11/13, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
> Welcome, Charlie. Sounds like you just joined the list? If so, your initial
>
> post's are moderated, which explains it not showing up. Good looking
> Wilbury. Links fly all the time. Here you
> go:
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/rivendell-wilbury-mixte-touring-bicycle-custom-build-/28118414?pt=US_Bicycles_Frames&hash=item4177e46e02
>
> WIth abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Friday, October 11, 2013 4:40:40 AM UTC-6, Charlie wrote:
>>
>> This is my second attempt to post this - first attempt did not show up -
>> might have used an incorrect Google ID.
>>
>> In any event, there is a beautiful red original mixte with good equipment
>>
>> on the Bay.  These don't show up that often.  Have no association with
>> seller.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> Apologies if this message appears twice.  Also not sure if links are
>> permitted so didn't include one - should be very easy to find though.
>>
>
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[RBW] Classic Bicycles Calendar

[Jan Heine]

After the success of last year's *Classic Bicycles* Calendar – our stocks 
sold out within a single day! – we teamed up with Rizzoli again to bring 
you a *2014 Calendar of Classic Bicycles*. Once again, it features 
beautiful studio photographs of an eclectic selection of wonderful 
machines. The range of bikes runs from the beautifully conventional to the 
truly incredible, like the Labor with its single-sided fork (in 1910!) or 
the Hirondelle Retro-Directe with its figure-8 chain. There are beauties 
from Caminargent and Oscar Egg, a lovely 1890s Humber, as well as historic 
machines like a PBP-winning René Herse, Ernest Csuka's personal Alex 
Singer, and a tandem that set the hour record in the 1930s. With the 
exception of Greg LeMond's Gitane and Guiseppe Saronni's Colnago, they are 
all Riv-approved bikes with large clearances and fender eyelets... ;-)

More information is here:

http://janheine.wordpress.com/2013/10/11/bqs-calendar-of-classic-bicycles-2014/

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[RBW] Re: Sweater/Top recomendation

[NWAJack]

Does the rollyneck one tend to run tight on the neck?   I think that would 
bug me, but not sure I like the patches on the military looking 
one..choices choices... :)

On Friday, October 11, 2013 7:27:43 AM UTC-5, NWAJack wrote:

>  So I live in Arkansas as opposed to MN :), and I'm looking for a good 
> winter shirt/sweater.  Basically I want somthing I can wear riding, 
> fishing, and hiking in 40-60 degree weather that could also be worn for 
> "general use".   Too often now I end up with just a cotton sweatshirt or 
> something and want something a little nicer and looks better.   I'm looking 
> the WoolyWarm sweaters and also the Assie Wool Crewneck - any suggestions 
> as to which one?
>  
> Thanks,
> Jack in Arkansas
>

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[RBW] Re: Sweater/Top recomendation

[Deacon Patrick]

Either Woolie is great, depending on how warm blooded you are and if you're 
sitting around or moving. The key is to have layering options so you can 
easily adjust as needed. The sweater will be warmer though neither will 
stop the wind. You may want a nylon shell for that if you need it.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, October 11, 2013 6:27:43 AM UTC-6, NWAJack wrote:
>
> So I live in Arkansas as opposed to MN :), and I'm looking for a good 
> winter shirt/sweater.  Basically I want somthing I can wear riding, 
> fishing, and hiking in 40-60 degree weather that could also be worn for 
> "general use".   Too often now I end up with just a cotton sweatshirt or 
> something and want something a little nicer and looks better.   I'm looking 
> the WoolyWarm sweaters and also the Assie Wool Crewneck - any suggestions 
> as to which one?
>  
> Thanks,
> Jack in Arkansas
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Stolen Romulus In Sacramento?

[James Warren]

I never pass up a Latin lesson from Virgil.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 10, 2013, at 9:59 PM, Tom Virgil  wrote:

> If you are using Romulus as second declension, accusative, that would be 
> Romulos.
> 
> Man, I am still suffering from being taught by the Jesuits.
> 
> On Thursday, October 10, 2013 2:04:35 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:
> I bet there aren't many bike shops in Sacramento that sold Romuluses. 
> Maybe a check with them? 
> 
> On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Leslie  wrote: 
> > You can only check w/ so many, but I'd suggest checking local LBS's to see 
> > if anyone posted a note about it being stolen, or, perhaps the local 
> > counties' sheriffs? 
> > Craigslist, see if someone posts there about it? 
> > Anywho, disregard my QBP comment; I was thinking of the Bleriot...  Doh! 
> > 
> > -L 
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[RBW] Re: 60cm Wilbury on the Bay - Original Rivendell Mixte

[Deacon Patrick]

Welcome, Charlie. Sounds like you just joined the list? If so, your initial 
post's are moderated, which explains it not showing up. Good looking 
Wilbury. Links fly all the time. Here you 
go: 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/rivendell-wilbury-mixte-touring-bicycle-custom-build-/28118414?pt=US_Bicycles_Frames&hash=item4177e46e02

WIth abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, October 11, 2013 4:40:40 AM UTC-6, Charlie wrote:
>
> This is my second attempt to post this - first attempt did not show up - 
> might have used an incorrect Google ID.
>
> In any event, there is a beautiful red original mixte with good equipment 
> on the Bay.  These don't show up that often.  Have no association with 
> seller.
>
> Charlie
>
> Apologies if this message appears twice.  Also not sure if links are 
> permitted so didn't include one - should be very easy to find though. 
>

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[RBW] Sweater/Top recomendation

[NWAJack]

So I live in Arkansas as opposed to MN :), and I'm looking for a good 
winter shirt/sweater.  Basically I want somthing I can wear riding, 
fishing, and hiking in 40-60 degree weather that could also be worn for 
"general use".   Too often now I end up with just a cotton sweatshirt or 
something and want something a little nicer and looks better.   I'm looking 
the WoolyWarm sweaters and also the Assie Wool Crewneck - any suggestions 
as to which one?
 
Thanks,
Jack in Arkansas

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[RBW] 60cm Wilbury on the Bay - Original Rivendell Mixte

[Charlie]

This is my second attempt to post this - first attempt did not show up - 
might have used an incorrect Google ID.

In any event, there is a beautiful red original mixte with good equipment 
on the Bay.  These don't show up that often.  Have no association with 
seller.

Charlie

Apologies if this message appears twice.  Also not sure if links are 
permitted so didn't include one - should be very easy to find though. 

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