Re: [RBW] Re: Which RBW Velosophies have worked for you? Which haven't?

[Anne Paulson]

If you go on a long enough bike tour, you end up in a lot of places
where there aren't any trees. The first time I rode across the US, I
didn't have a kickstand on my bike, and my riding partner had one.
Those hundreds of miles across the prairies, where Hans could just
leave his bike on the kickstand and I had to find somewhere to lay
mine down... I had a kickstand put on in Minnesota. At least, I think
it was Minnesota, might have been as soon as Minot, North Dakota. Now
when I tour, I use the kickstand a dozen times a day. They are so
great.

YMMV.

On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:21 PM, rob markwardt  wrote:
> I'm with you all the way except for ponchos, twine, and kickstands.  I can't
> remember once in my whole life where I wished I'd had a kickstand. Maybe if
> I lived where there weren't any trees?
>
> Rob Markwardt
> in the forest of WA
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 9:05:09 PM UTC-8, Michael wrote:
>>
>> Thought hearing from you all would make an interesting thread.
>> I have been enjoying my Sam for a long time now.
>> I call these RBW ideas because that is where I first heard about them
>> (thought I know they have been around for years, just not embraced so much
>> these days). I was an alu/composite race bike kinda rider until I started to
>> fear carbon failures and wanted to look into an all metal bike.
>>
>> I'll start:
>>
>> RBW ideas that worked for me:
>> 1. Wider tires. This has made a huge diff for my quality of riding. I used
>> to own a typical race bike with 700 x 25, 120psi tires.
>> It was great to ride, but hard to handle as it banged and bounced and
>> tires got yanked around on gravelly, busted up shoulders. Not to mention the
>> fear of getting the narrow tires caught in longitudinal road cracks.
>> Got my Rivendell bikes and have used 32mm-40mm ~55psi tires on them and
>> what a difference.
>> No more bike bouncing. Slight rumbling and I am through the rough road
>> parts. Tires stay on their straight course through the bad patches and I
>> feel so much safer. Cush to boot. Very stable handling.
>> I cannot see myself ever going back to anything narrower than 32mm wide
>> tires. They seem dangerous to me now.
>> 2. Fenders. I never woulda dreamed of putting these on a bike in the past.
>> But now I don't see riding without them making any sense to me. It is just
>> good to be prepared and not have to worry about grunging up the bike with
>> the street scum. They look great to boot, and are standard equipment on my
>> bikes. I love the ultra coverage of the longboards.
>> 3. Leather saddles. No more butt pain. yay! What a smooth surface to sit
>> on. I did have a little break in for a coupla weeks, but another dab o'
>> proofhide broke her in and now its great.
>> 4. Steel bike/lugs/cream headtubes/metal head badges. Such a stable ride,
>> beautiful to look at, and no worries about "did I tension that bolt 1nM too
>> far?". Feels good to not have to wonder about failures. The lugs and paint
>> jobs are intoxicating.
>> 5. Smaller chainrings/bigger cassettes/Triples. Healthiest pedaling I have
>> ever felt in my legs. The Sugino toothcounts work great for my neck of the
>> woods. I would never want to go back to 39-52 or 30-40-54 cranks again. And,
>> I have discovered that compact cranksets aren't for me. I love triples.
>> 6. Big Saddle bags. I love that I can carry lunch, repair kits/tools and a
>> jacket in my Carradice, etc. So convenient. No more wondering how will I fit
>> everything into my small nylon wedge.
>> 7. Cotton tape/twine and shellac. I balked at the idea as just taking
>> things too far. But when my Sam arrived with it, it just looked so beautiful
>> and natural and much better than electrical tape. Its fun to do, too!
>> 8. Bar end shifters. At first I thought that it was ridiculous not to have
>> the convenience of brifters on a bike. But when I got my first Rivbike with
>> bar ends, it was love at first shift. Just makes it so much more fun to play
>> with those things than brifting. I think it also encourages your hands to
>> move around more on the bars and I think that helps keep the numbness at
>> bay. A quiet friction shift is a very satisfying sensation. And trimming is
>> fun, too.
>> 9. Platform pedals/ditching the click-ins. I started using MKS Touring
>> pedals and cannot see myself ever going back to click ins. It is so nice to
>> be able to move the foot around and to just hop off the bike and walk
>> normally and not feel weird in public duck walking. Starting up at green
>> lights, all I have to do is just stand on the pedal and go. I don't have to
>> fumble across the intersection anymore to click in. And think of all that
>> cash I save by not having to buy expensive click in shoes and cleats/pedals.
>> 10. Kickstands. Having previously viewed these as bike anchors, I started
>> realizing it just makes things sooo much easier when parking the bike in
>> the garage, hopping off the bike for breaks/taking pictures, and they are
>> just 

Re: [RBW] Re: Which RBW Velosophies have worked for you? Which haven't?

[rob markwardt]

Glad you are having a good time.  Later dude.

On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 10:23:56 PM UTC-8, Christopher Chen wrote:
>
> It's a lot of fun to mount panniers on the tree side of a tree, dude.
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:21 PM, rob markwardt 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> I'm with you all the way except for ponchos, twine, and kickstands.  I 
>> can't remember once in my whole life where I wished I'd had a kickstand. 
>> Maybe if I lived where there weren't any trees?
>>
>> Rob Markwardt
>> in the forest of WA
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 9:05:09 PM UTC-8, Michael wrote:
>>
>>> Thought hearing from you all would make an interesting thread.
>>> I have been enjoying my Sam for a long time now.
>>> I call these RBW ideas because that is where I first heard about them 
>>> (thought I know they have been around for years, just not embraced so much 
>>> these days). I was an alu/composite race bike kinda rider until I started 
>>> to fear carbon failures and wanted to look into an all metal bike.
>>>  
>>> I'll start:
>>>  
>>> *RBW ideas that worked for me:*
>>> *1. Wider tires.* This has made a huge diff for my quality of riding. I 
>>> used to own a typical race bike with 700 x 25, 120psi tires.
>>> It was great to ride, but hard to handle as it banged and bounced and 
>>> tires got yanked around on gravelly, busted up shoulders. Not to mention 
>>> the fear of getting the narrow tires caught in longitudinal road cracks.
>>> Got my Rivendell bikes and have used 32mm-40mm ~55psi tires on them and 
>>> what a difference.
>>> No more bike bouncing. Slight rumbling and I am through the rough road 
>>> parts. Tires stay on their straight course through the bad patches and I 
>>> feel so much safer. Cush to boot. Very stable handling.
>>> I cannot see myself ever going back to anything narrower than 32mm wide 
>>> tires. They seem dangerous to me now.
>>> *2. Fenders.* I never woulda dreamed of putting these on a bike in the 
>>> past. But now I don't see riding without them making any sense to me. It is 
>>> just good to be prepared and not have to worry about grunging up the bike 
>>> with the street scum. They look great to boot, and are standard equipment 
>>> on my bikes. I love the ultra coverage of the longboards.
>>> *3. Leather saddles.* No more butt pain. yay! What a smooth surface to 
>>> sit on. I did have a little break in for a coupla weeks, but another dab o' 
>>> proofhide broke her in and now its great.
>>> *4. Steel bike/lugs/cream headtubes/metal head badges.* Such a stable 
>>> ride, beautiful to look at, and no worries about "did I tension that bolt 
>>> 1nM too far?". Feels good to not have to wonder about failures. The lugs 
>>> and paint jobs are intoxicating.
>>> *5. Smaller chainrings/bigger cassettes/Triples.* Healthiest pedaling I 
>>> have ever felt in my legs. The Sugino toothcounts work great for my neck of 
>>> the woods. I would never want to go back to 39-52 or 30-40-54 cranks again. 
>>> And, I have discovered that compact cranksets aren't for me. I love triples.
>>> *6. Big Saddle bags.* I love that I can carry lunch, repair 
>>> kits/tools and a jacket in my Carradice, etc. So convenient. No more 
>>> wondering how will I fit everything into my small nylon wedge.
>>> *7. Cotton tape/twine and shellac.* I balked at the idea as just taking 
>>> things too far. But when my Sam arrived with it, it just looked so 
>>> beautiful and natural and much better than electrical tape. Its fun to do, 
>>> too!
>>> *8. Bar end shifters.* At first I thought that it was ridiculous not to 
>>> have the convenience of brifters on a bike. But when I got my first Rivbike 
>>> with bar ends, it was love at first shift. Just makes it so much more fun 
>>> to play with those things than brifting. I think it also encourages your 
>>> hands to move around more on the bars and I think that helps keep the 
>>> numbness at bay. A quiet friction shift is a very satisfying sensation. And 
>>> trimming is fun, too.
>>> *9. Platform pedals/ditching the click-ins.* I started using MKS 
>>> Touring pedals and cannot see myself ever going back to click ins. It is so 
>>> nice to be able to move the foot around and to just hop off the bike and 
>>> walk normally and not feel weird in public duck walking. Starting up at 
>>> green lights, all I have to do is just stand on the pedal and go. I don't 
>>> have to fumble across the intersection anymore to click in. And think of 
>>> all that cash I save by not having to buy expensive click in shoes and 
>>> cleats/pedals.
>>> *10. Kickstands.* Having previously viewed these as bike anchors, I 
>>> started realizing it just makes things sooo much easier when parking 
>>> the bike in the garage, hopping off the bike for breaks/taking pictures, 
>>> and they are just fun to install and look at. I love the rat-at-at-at-at 
>>> sound the Pletscher makes when it is flipped.
>>> *11. 650b.* At first I thought: "why?..". And then: "Aw, 
>>> man! Now I am 

[RBW] Re: Cable Management (or) More Twine

[Coconutbill]

>
> keep going... 


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[RBW] Re: Favorite Bike Build-up 'Secret'

[Lynne Fitz]

a stand.  Best present I ever bought myself
a bike tools-only tool box.  I have a rolling one.  Best present my husband 
ever bought me
magnetic dish - many of those little parts you took off stay put.
little ratchet wrench with Allen head bits.  Oh yeah.
and unify all the bolts on your bike, as much as possible - same size Allen 
head!
shop apron - another place to have the tool you need handy, and pockets for 
all the little bits you took off the bike..  Plus you don't end up creating 
more sets of "garage clothes"

On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 6:04:07 AM UTC-8, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> Whether it's an application of beeswax, a dab of a specific grease, quirky 
> cable routing... What is your own favorite tip or trick when building up a 
> new bike out replacing components...?
>
> I'm pretty new to the game but I notice small mentions in some if the riv 
> products of arcane or fancy installs, and I've seen all manner of custom 
> work at my local co-op.  I recently had the pleasure of visiting Rob at 
> Ocean Air Cycles and was impressed at the attention to detail in his builds 
> and the small bits and pieces adapted to make fenders and lights melt into 
> the frame.
>
> I'll start, not that it's much of a secret but I've come to really like 
> starting my handlebar wrap with a layer of recycled inner tube... Cheap and 
> available, more cush than cork under cotton.  You can also run with it 
> without cotton on top as you are trying out different brake/shifter 
> configurations or bar height.  It's really easy to work with and you can 
> even cut it in half canoe style to reduce the'thickness' in some areas or 
> add thickness in other places.
>
> What do you have!?!
> Tony
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Which RBW Velosophies have worked for you? Which haven't?

[Christopher Chen]

It's a lot of fun to mount panniers on the tree side of a tree, dude.


On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:21 PM, rob markwardt wrote:

> I'm with you all the way except for ponchos, twine, and kickstands.  I
> can't remember once in my whole life where I wished I'd had a kickstand.
> Maybe if I lived where there weren't any trees?
>
> Rob Markwardt
> in the forest of WA
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 9:05:09 PM UTC-8, Michael wrote:
>
>> Thought hearing from you all would make an interesting thread.
>> I have been enjoying my Sam for a long time now.
>> I call these RBW ideas because that is where I first heard about them
>> (thought I know they have been around for years, just not embraced so much
>> these days). I was an alu/composite race bike kinda rider until I started
>> to fear carbon failures and wanted to look into an all metal bike.
>>
>> I'll start:
>>
>> *RBW ideas that worked for me:*
>> *1. Wider tires.* This has made a huge diff for my quality of riding. I
>> used to own a typical race bike with 700 x 25, 120psi tires.
>> It was great to ride, but hard to handle as it banged and bounced and
>> tires got yanked around on gravelly, busted up shoulders. Not to mention
>> the fear of getting the narrow tires caught in longitudinal road cracks.
>> Got my Rivendell bikes and have used 32mm-40mm ~55psi tires on them and
>> what a difference.
>> No more bike bouncing. Slight rumbling and I am through the rough road
>> parts. Tires stay on their straight course through the bad patches and I
>> feel so much safer. Cush to boot. Very stable handling.
>> I cannot see myself ever going back to anything narrower than 32mm wide
>> tires. They seem dangerous to me now.
>> *2. Fenders.* I never woulda dreamed of putting these on a bike in the
>> past. But now I don't see riding without them making any sense to me. It is
>> just good to be prepared and not have to worry about grunging up the bike
>> with the street scum. They look great to boot, and are standard equipment
>> on my bikes. I love the ultra coverage of the longboards.
>> *3. Leather saddles.* No more butt pain. yay! What a smooth surface to
>> sit on. I did have a little break in for a coupla weeks, but another dab o'
>> proofhide broke her in and now its great.
>> *4. Steel bike/lugs/cream headtubes/metal head badges.* Such a stable
>> ride, beautiful to look at, and no worries about "did I tension that bolt
>> 1nM too far?". Feels good to not have to wonder about failures. The lugs
>> and paint jobs are intoxicating.
>> *5. Smaller chainrings/bigger cassettes/Triples.* Healthiest pedaling I
>> have ever felt in my legs. The Sugino toothcounts work great for my neck of
>> the woods. I would never want to go back to 39-52 or 30-40-54 cranks again.
>> And, I have discovered that compact cranksets aren't for me. I love triples.
>> *6. Big Saddle bags.* I love that I can carry lunch, repair
>> kits/tools and a jacket in my Carradice, etc. So convenient. No more
>> wondering how will I fit everything into my small nylon wedge.
>> *7. Cotton tape/twine and shellac.* I balked at the idea as just taking
>> things too far. But when my Sam arrived with it, it just looked so
>> beautiful and natural and much better than electrical tape. Its fun to do,
>> too!
>> *8. Bar end shifters.* At first I thought that it was ridiculous not to
>> have the convenience of brifters on a bike. But when I got my first Rivbike
>> with bar ends, it was love at first shift. Just makes it so much more fun
>> to play with those things than brifting. I think it also encourages your
>> hands to move around more on the bars and I think that helps keep the
>> numbness at bay. A quiet friction shift is a very satisfying sensation. And
>> trimming is fun, too.
>> *9. Platform pedals/ditching the click-ins.* I started using MKS Touring
>> pedals and cannot see myself ever going back to click ins. It is so nice to
>> be able to move the foot around and to just hop off the bike and walk
>> normally and not feel weird in public duck walking. Starting up at green
>> lights, all I have to do is just stand on the pedal and go. I don't have to
>> fumble across the intersection anymore to click in. And think of all that
>> cash I save by not having to buy expensive click in shoes and cleats/pedals.
>> *10. Kickstands.* Having previously viewed these as bike anchors, I
>> started realizing it just makes things sooo much easier when parking
>> the bike in the garage, hopping off the bike for breaks/taking pictures,
>> and they are just fun to install and look at. I love the rat-at-at-at-at
>> sound the Pletscher makes when it is flipped.
>> *11. 650b.* At first I thought: "why?..". And then: "Aw,
>> man! Now I am forced into getting these smaller wheels if I want a
>> Rivendell. Why is this guy messing around with these bikes like this?". But
>> the clearance allows me to enjoy the convenience of fenders and safety and
>> cush of wide tires.
>> *12. Ponchos.* Air circulates. Les

[RBW] Re: Which RBW Velosophies have worked for you? Which haven't?

[rob markwardt]

I'm with you all the way except for ponchos, twine, and kickstands.  I 
can't remember once in my whole life where I wished I'd had a kickstand. 
Maybe if I lived where there weren't any trees?

Rob Markwardt
in the forest of WA


On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 9:05:09 PM UTC-8, Michael wrote:
>
> Thought hearing from you all would make an interesting thread.
> I have been enjoying my Sam for a long time now.
> I call these RBW ideas because that is where I first heard about them 
> (thought I know they have been around for years, just not embraced so much 
> these days). I was an alu/composite race bike kinda rider until I started 
> to fear carbon failures and wanted to look into an all metal bike.
>  
> I'll start:
>  
> *RBW ideas that worked for me:*
> *1. Wider tires.* This has made a huge diff for my quality of riding. I 
> used to own a typical race bike with 700 x 25, 120psi tires.
> It was great to ride, but hard to handle as it banged and bounced and 
> tires got yanked around on gravelly, busted up shoulders. Not to mention 
> the fear of getting the narrow tires caught in longitudinal road cracks.
> Got my Rivendell bikes and have used 32mm-40mm ~55psi tires on them and 
> what a difference.
> No more bike bouncing. Slight rumbling and I am through the rough road 
> parts. Tires stay on their straight course through the bad patches and I 
> feel so much safer. Cush to boot. Very stable handling.
> I cannot see myself ever going back to anything narrower than 32mm wide 
> tires. They seem dangerous to me now.
> *2. Fenders.* I never woulda dreamed of putting these on a bike in the 
> past. But now I don't see riding without them making any sense to me. It is 
> just good to be prepared and not have to worry about grunging up the bike 
> with the street scum. They look great to boot, and are standard equipment 
> on my bikes. I love the ultra coverage of the longboards.
> *3. Leather saddles.* No more butt pain. yay! What a smooth surface to 
> sit on. I did have a little break in for a coupla weeks, but another dab o' 
> proofhide broke her in and now its great.
> *4. Steel bike/lugs/cream headtubes/metal head badges.* Such a stable 
> ride, beautiful to look at, and no worries about "did I tension that bolt 
> 1nM too far?". Feels good to not have to wonder about failures. The lugs 
> and paint jobs are intoxicating.
> *5. Smaller chainrings/bigger cassettes/Triples.* Healthiest pedaling I 
> have ever felt in my legs. The Sugino toothcounts work great for my neck of 
> the woods. I would never want to go back to 39-52 or 30-40-54 cranks again. 
> And, I have discovered that compact cranksets aren't for me. I love triples.
> *6. Big Saddle bags.* I love that I can carry lunch, repair 
> kits/tools and a jacket in my Carradice, etc. So convenient. No more 
> wondering how will I fit everything into my small nylon wedge.
> *7. Cotton tape/twine and shellac.* I balked at the idea as just taking 
> things too far. But when my Sam arrived with it, it just looked so 
> beautiful and natural and much better than electrical tape. Its fun to do, 
> too!
> *8. Bar end shifters.* At first I thought that it was ridiculous not to 
> have the convenience of brifters on a bike. But when I got my first Rivbike 
> with bar ends, it was love at first shift. Just makes it so much more fun 
> to play with those things than brifting. I think it also encourages your 
> hands to move around more on the bars and I think that helps keep the 
> numbness at bay. A quiet friction shift is a very satisfying sensation. And 
> trimming is fun, too.
> *9. Platform pedals/ditching the click-ins.* I started using MKS Touring 
> pedals and cannot see myself ever going back to click ins. It is so nice to 
> be able to move the foot around and to just hop off the bike and walk 
> normally and not feel weird in public duck walking. Starting up at green 
> lights, all I have to do is just stand on the pedal and go. I don't have to 
> fumble across the intersection anymore to click in. And think of all that 
> cash I save by not having to buy expensive click in shoes and cleats/pedals.
> *10. Kickstands.* Having previously viewed these as bike anchors, I 
> started realizing it just makes things sooo much easier when parking 
> the bike in the garage, hopping off the bike for breaks/taking pictures, 
> and they are just fun to install and look at. I love the rat-at-at-at-at 
> sound the Pletscher makes when it is flipped.
> *11. 650b.* At first I thought: "why?..". And then: "Aw, man! 
> Now I am forced into getting these smaller wheels if I want a Rivendell. 
> Why is this guy messing around with these bikes like this?". But the 
> clearance allows me to enjoy the convenience of fenders and safety and cush 
> of wide tires.
> *12. Ponchos.* Air circulates. Less sweating under cover.
> *13. Wool.* In summer, any material will be drenched and sticking to my 
> skin. But come seasons of 75 degrees and less, the wool dri

[RBW] Re: Which RBW Velosophies have worked for you? Which haven't?

[George Millwood]

Anytime you pedal from Warragul to Wollongong, there'll be a line of beers 
on the counter at the Five islands because you're gonna need 'em.  Cheers
 

On Wednesday, 20 November 2013 23:17:10 UTC+11, sameness wrote:

> I'm gonna mention the Kool Aid, but to collect you'll have to come to the 
>> Five Islands Brewery here n Wollongong, Australia
>
>
> Your shout? I reckon I can be there by smoko.
>
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Warragul, VIC Australia
>

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[RBW] Re: December Angeles Forest S240

[Mike Schiller]

The best I can figure is that from the summit of Gleason to the Sun Valley 
Metrolink station is 37 miles. It may make sense to go further down the SC 
Divide road before camping. 

Looks like I'll have to drive up early to get the 1st train.  My incoming 
Orange County train misses the AV train by 10min. at Union Station.

~mike


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[RBW] Re: Favorite Bike Build-up 'Secret'

[rob markwardt]

I've rebuilt loads of bike but it takes me foreverI'd rather ride than 
wrench.  My philosphy todayDo the easy stuff.  Drop it off at the shop 
for the rest. 

On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 6:04:07 AM UTC-8, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> Whether it's an application of beeswax, a dab of a specific grease, quirky 
> cable routing... What is your own favorite tip or trick when building up a 
> new bike out replacing components...?
>
> I'm pretty new to the game but I notice small mentions in some if the riv 
> products of arcane or fancy installs, and I've seen all manner of custom 
> work at my local co-op.  I recently had the pleasure of visiting Rob at 
> Ocean Air Cycles and was impressed at the attention to detail in his builds 
> and the small bits and pieces adapted to make fenders and lights melt into 
> the frame.
>
> I'll start, not that it's much of a secret but I've come to really like 
> starting my handlebar wrap with a layer of recycled inner tube... Cheap and 
> available, more cush than cork under cotton.  You can also run with it 
> without cotton on top as you are trying out different brake/shifter 
> configurations or bar height.  It's really easy to work with and you can 
> even cut it in half canoe style to reduce the'thickness' in some areas or 
> add thickness in other places.
>
> What do you have!?!
> Tony
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cable Management (or) More Twine

[Christopher Chen]

Okay, shellac nerds.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/10973756713/


On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Zack  wrote:

> Most excellent.
>>
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[RBW] December Angeles Forest S240

[hsmitham]

Hi SoCal Riv Riders,

Throwing out nother overnighter this time in the Angeles Forest above 
Tujunga, Ca. Let's get one last one in before we close out 13'

Date: December 13 & 14th. Depart Time TBD

Leave from Acton Metrolink Station climb 1700' over 11 miles to Mill Creek 
Summit then continue climbing another 1060'  up Mount Gleason Rd for 12 
miles for a grand total of 2760' and 23 miles. Make camp and enjoy the 
views.

On Saturday the 14th Coffee & Tea and what ever you like, head back on 
Santa Clara Divide Rd to Pacoima Canyon and Bear Divide. Climb up to Dillon 
Divide and ride down Little Tujunga Canyon Rd grab some Lunch beer and 
recover. **Disclaimer* I don't know the distance back on Santa Clara Divide 
Rd, it's broken pavement with dirt sections and there will be climbing.

http://www.metrolinktrains.com/ There's a 9ish train departing US arriving 
around 10:50 or so. I'd prefer to get an earlier start as we have less 
daylight. The earlier train gets in around 8 am.

If the Weather is inclement we will have a back up location with less 
elevation, or just hunker down at my place...got a fridge full of brs. 
Of course input is welcome.


~Hugh

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike overnight near Ventura California

[Hugh Smitham]

I'm off from 27th to the 30th but Thanksgiving is on the 28th and I'm
planning on going to my Brothers for that day. I wish I could join you as
it's really close and I need to get back out for an overnight and that loop
is really nice.

I'm getting ready to post the mid December S240 up Mount Gleason. I figured
that would work for you since you mentioned the 7th you'd be busy.




Best,


~Hugh


On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Curtis McKenzie  wrote:

> Hugh,
>
> Is work getting in the way?
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 20, 2013, hsmitham wrote:
>
>> Curtis,
>>
>> Mike is on the money Anacapa is an awesome brewery highly recommend,
>> right in DT Ventura. Sounds like a great time wish I could join in.
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 12:31:31 PM UTC-8, Mike Schiller wrote:
>>>
>>> I've done it many times.  We often went up into the hills of Montecito
>>> and came out in downtown Santa Barbara.   A number of times from Santa
>>> Paula too.
>>>
>>> It was a nice escape from the heat of Santa Clarita in the summer.
>>>
>>> There is also a nice brewpub called Anacapa in downtown Ventura.
>>>
>>> mike
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 9:45:14 AM UTC-8, Curtis wrote:

 Mike,  the Ojai route sounds great.  Seems as if one could do a loop
 with your route.


 On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 10:05 PM, Mike Schiller <
 mikey...@rocketmail.com> wrote:

> Curtis, you could ride up to Ojai and over Casitas Pass on the 1st
> day. About 34 miles and includes a nice bike trail in route to Ojai.  You
> can go further up Hwy 150 into Summerland if you want a longer ride and
> comedown the coast into Carpinteria.
> On day two it's an easy ride down the coast ( except a short section
> on  the shoulder of Hwy 101) down Rincon and a bike trail into Ventura.
>  That section will take less than 2 hours.
>
>  ~mike
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 5:15:24 PM UTC-8, Curtis wrote:
>
>> I will be in Ventura next week for about 36 hours. Will be taking the
>> bike with plans to camp somewhere.  Any ideas would be most helpful.
>>  Thanks.
>>
>> Ride safe,
>>
>> Curtis
>>
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[RBW] Re: Bike overnight near Ventura California

[Curtis McKenzie]

Hugh,

Is work getting in the way?

On Wednesday, November 20, 2013, hsmitham wrote:

> Curtis,
>
> Mike is on the money Anacapa is an awesome brewery highly recommend, right
> in DT Ventura. Sounds like a great time wish I could join in.
>
> ~Hugh
>
> On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 12:31:31 PM UTC-8, Mike Schiller wrote:
>>
>> I've done it many times.  We often went up into the hills of Montecito
>> and came out in downtown Santa Barbara.   A number of times from Santa
>> Paula too.
>>
>> It was a nice escape from the heat of Santa Clarita in the summer.
>>
>> There is also a nice brewpub called Anacapa in downtown Ventura.
>>
>> mike
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 9:45:14 AM UTC-8, Curtis wrote:
>>>
>>> Mike,  the Ojai route sounds great.  Seems as if one could do a loop
>>> with your route.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 10:05 PM, Mike Schiller >> > wrote:
>>>
 Curtis, you could ride up to Ojai and over Casitas Pass on the 1st day.
 About 34 miles and includes a nice bike trail in route to Ojai.  You can go
 further up Hwy 150 into Summerland if you want a longer ride and comedown
 the coast into Carpinteria.
 On day two it's an easy ride down the coast ( except a short section on
  the shoulder of Hwy 101) down Rincon and a bike trail into Ventura.  That
 section will take less than 2 hours.

  ~mike


 On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 5:15:24 PM UTC-8, Curtis wrote:

> I will be in Ventura next week for about 36 hours. Will be taking the
> bike with plans to camp somewhere.  Any ideas would be most helpful.
>  Thanks.
>
> Ride safe,
>
> Curtis
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[RBW] Re: what have you carried on your Rivendell?

[dougP]

Precious cargo like that should only be entrusted to a Rivendell. :-).  

dougP

On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 7:02:16 PM UTC-8, Edwin W wrote:
>
> I carry my boys on the back of my Sam all the time
> 7 year old sitting on the rack (with a piece of a foam mat for padding)
> 5 or 2 year old in a kettler bike seat attached to the seat tube.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike overnight near Ventura California

[hsmitham]

Curtis,

Mike is on the money Anacapa is an awesome brewery highly recommend, right 
in DT Ventura. Sounds like a great time wish I could join in.

~Hugh

On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 12:31:31 PM UTC-8, Mike Schiller wrote:
>
> I've done it many times.  We often went up into the hills of Montecito and 
> came out in downtown Santa Barbara.   A number of times from Santa Paula 
> too.
>
> It was a nice escape from the heat of Santa Clarita in the summer.
>
> There is also a nice brewpub called Anacapa in downtown Ventura.
>
> mike
>
> On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 9:45:14 AM UTC-8, Curtis wrote:
>>
>> Mike,  the Ojai route sounds great.  Seems as if one could do a loop with 
>> your route.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 10:05 PM, Mike Schiller 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Curtis, you could ride up to Ojai and over Casitas Pass on the 1st day. 
>>> About 34 miles and includes a nice bike trail in route to Ojai.  You can go 
>>> further up Hwy 150 into Summerland if you want a longer ride and comedown 
>>> the coast into Carpinteria.
>>> On day two it's an easy ride down the coast ( except a short section on 
>>>  the shoulder of Hwy 101) down Rincon and a bike trail into Ventura.  That 
>>> section will take less than 2 hours. 
>>>
>>>  ~mike
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 5:15:24 PM UTC-8, Curtis wrote:
>>>
 I will be in Ventura next week for about 36 hours. Will be taking the 
 bike with plans to camp somewhere.  Any ideas would be most helpful. 
  Thanks.

 Ride safe,

 Curtis

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[RBW] Re: Who pre ordered an English Jacket?

[Deacon Patrick]

I spent less for my Scottish ventile Hilltrek Jacket and love it, plus I 
get a hood. From the description, I would expect this jacket to be lighter 
than mine, which is admittedly heavy and bulky by today's standards. I 
would love to see on in person.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 8:22:14 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I think the new English Jacket looks pretty swank.  Who is getting one 
> from the pre-sale?  
>
> I'm definitely going to try one on at the Grand Opening Party in 
> December.  
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[RBW] Re: Who pre ordered an English Jacket?

[sameness]

Great design, awesome details, and probably my favorite color combination 
to boot.

Alas, I don't think I've shelled out $430.00 for my entire wardrobe. 

Somebody please buy a Medium and hate it, preferably to the tune of a >50% 
loss? Thanks in advance.

Jeff "Would Spend It If I Had It" Hagedorn
Warragul, VIC Australia

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Re: [RBW] Favorite Bike Build-up 'Secret'

[jimD]

Best tip ever!


On Nov 20, 2013, at 7:13 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> 4. Have a favorite drink handy and pleasant music on the hi-fi. The last 
> drowns out the cursing.

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Re: [RBW] Who pre ordered an English Jacket?

[cyclotourist]

Wow, that is incredible.

On 11/20/13, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> I think the new English Jacket looks pretty swank.  Who is getting one from
>
> the pre-sale?
>
> I'm definitely going to try one on at the Grand Opening Party in December.
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Re: [RBW] Favorite Bike Build-up 'Secret'

[cyclotourist]

Yes!

How many times have I had to re-purchase a part that I sold off,
thinking I wouldn't possibly need it in the future...


On 11/20/13, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> One big picture item:  INVENTORY.  Over the last 4 or 5 years, I've gotten
> into the habit of stocking up on almost everything.  I keep an eye out for
> deals, closeouts, etc.  Spend $40 here, $60 there, maybe $100 every once in
>

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[RBW] Who pre ordered an English Jacket?

[Bill Lindsay]

I think the new English Jacket looks pretty swank.  Who is getting one from 
the pre-sale?  

I'm definitely going to try one on at the Grand Opening Party in December.  

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[RBW] Re: what have you carried on your Rivendell?

[Edwin W]

I carry my boys on the back of my Sam all the time
7 year old sitting on the rack (with a piece of a foam mat for padding)
5 or 2 year old in a kettler bike seat attached to the seat tube.

Edwin

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Re: [RBW] Gravels of Gaar...

[cyclotourist]

That looks like close to the perfect ride!

On 11/20/13, meade anderson  wrote:
> About a month ago, Paul and I cranked out a wonderful ride thru some of the
> most scenic areas on the east side of the Blue Ridge Mountains in Virginia.
> I haven't had time to post the links or the story.I'll let the pictures do
> the talking and there is some overlap between our shots (surprise,
> surprise,
> surprise) but they are worth a quick view.  Even though I had visited this
> area dozens of times over the years we managed to hit many roads I had
> never
> seen except on maps.  It turned out to be a perfect fall day.cool, a few
> clouds, no rain, changing leaves, etc
>
>
>
> Mine: http://www.flickr.com/photos/julianmeade/sets/72157637327213254/
>
>
>
> Paul's: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/sets/72157636982615115/
>
>
>
> Meade Anderson
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[RBW] Gravels of Gaar...

[meade anderson]

About a month ago, Paul and I cranked out a wonderful ride thru some of the
most scenic areas on the east side of the Blue Ridge Mountains in Virginia.
I haven't had time to post the links or the story.I'll let the pictures do
the talking and there is some overlap between our shots (surprise, surprise,
surprise) but they are worth a quick view.  Even though I had visited this
area dozens of times over the years we managed to hit many roads I had never
seen except on maps.  It turned out to be a perfect fall day.cool, a few
clouds, no rain, changing leaves, etc

 

Mine: http://www.flickr.com/photos/julianmeade/sets/72157637327213254/

 

Paul's: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/sets/72157636982615115/

 

Meade Anderson

 

 

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[RBW] Re: Which RBW Velosophies have worked for you? Which haven't?

[Cecily Walker]

I arrived at Rivendell after owning a Trek Navigator comfort bike, a 
Batavus Fryslan honest-to-goodness Dutch bike, and a Norco City Glide bike, 
so many of the Rivendell velosophies were familiar to me. The ones that 
worked: 

1. *Fat tires* - I've always ridden on fat tires, in a mostly upright (or 
bolt upright position),
2. *Steel bikes* -  my Dutch bike moved me away from aluminum bikes for 
good. I tried being a racy rider for all of about a weekend, but the 
extreme discomfort and competitive nature never felt right for me.
3. *Don't assume your bike shop is making money*. Having a friend who is a 
shop owner cured me of this for good.
4. *Be visible and polite to pedestrians*. I smile, say hi (if they smile 
back). I even do it to drivers, but I mostly get scowls back from people in 
cars. 
5. *Ponchos *- a fat woman in a yellow poncho is just inviting commentary, 
and I know I look like a school bus, but at least I'm dry.
6. *650B *- 26" tires just look puny and undersized to me now, and my giant 
feet and 700c tires never got along well.

The velosophies that haven't worked for me are:

1. *Wool *- apparently retailers don't think fat women wear wool or even 
need wool cycling apparel, so this is one I won't ever adopt. 
2. *Never ride a bike until you're confident you can fix a flat* - I have 
friends, colleagues, and a reputable bike shop that can do it for me.
3. *Don't ride in shoes you can't walk through an antique shop in*. Up 
until recently (thanks, rheumatoid arthritis) I had quite a collection of 
beautiful albeit somewhat impractical high heeled shoes that I rode in. 
Because I didn't have to walk great distances, riding a bike opened up a 
whole new avenue of footwear choices!
4. *Leather saddles* - the jury is still out. I'm still tweaking to find 
the perfect fit, but I'm not sure if it's me or the saddle I'm using.

This was  a fun thread to read and participate in. Thanks for starting it, 
Michael!

On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 9:05:09 PM UTC-8, Michael wrote:
>
> Thought hearing from you all would make an interesting thread.
> I have been enjoying my Sam for a long time now.
> I call these RBW ideas because that is where I first heard about them 
> (thought I know they have been around for years, just not embraced so much 
> these days). I was an alu/composite race bike kinda rider until I started 
> to fear carbon failures and wanted to look into an all metal bike.
>  
> I'll start:
>  
> *RBW ideas that worked for me:*
> *1. Wider tires.* This has made a huge diff for my quality of riding. I 
> used to own a typical race bike with 700 x 25, 120psi tires.
> It was great to ride, but hard to handle as it banged and bounced and 
> tires got yanked around on gravelly, busted up shoulders. Not to mention 
> the fear of getting the narrow tires caught in longitudinal road cracks.
> Got my Rivendell bikes and have used 32mm-40mm ~55psi tires on them and 
> what a difference.
> No more bike bouncing. Slight rumbling and I am through the rough road 
> parts. Tires stay on their straight course through the bad patches and I 
> feel so much safer. Cush to boot. Very stable handling.
> I cannot see myself ever going back to anything narrower than 32mm wide 
> tires. They seem dangerous to me now.
> *2. Fenders.* I never woulda dreamed of putting these on a bike in the 
> past. But now I don't see riding without them making any sense to me. It is 
> just good to be prepared and not have to worry about grunging up the bike 
> with the street scum. They look great to boot, and are standard equipment 
> on my bikes. I love the ultra coverage of the longboards.
> *3. Leather saddles.* No more butt pain. yay! What a smooth surface to 
> sit on. I did have a little break in for a coupla weeks, but another dab o' 
> proofhide broke her in and now its great.
> *4. Steel bike/lugs/cream headtubes/metal head badges.* Such a stable 
> ride, beautiful to look at, and no worries about "did I tension that bolt 
> 1nM too far?". Feels good to not have to wonder about failures. The lugs 
> and paint jobs are intoxicating.
> *5. Smaller chainrings/bigger cassettes/Triples.* Healthiest pedaling I 
> have ever felt in my legs. The Sugino toothcounts work great for my neck of 
> the woods. I would never want to go back to 39-52 or 30-40-54 cranks again. 
> And, I have discovered that compact cranksets aren't for me. I love triples.
> *6. Big Saddle bags.* I love that I can carry lunch, repair 
> kits/tools and a jacket in my Carradice, etc. So convenient. No more 
> wondering how will I fit everything into my small nylon wedge.
> *7. Cotton tape/twine and shellac.* I balked at the idea as just taking 
> things too far. But when my Sam arrived with it, it just looked so 
> beautiful and natural and much better than electrical tape. Its fun to do, 
> too!
> *8. Bar end shifters.* At first I thought that it was ridiculous not to 
> have the convenience of brifters on a bike. But when I got my first Rivbike 
> 

[RBW] Re: what have you carried on your Rivendell?

[Deacon Patrick]

Wow, Andy! Glad you made it back and healed up well. What road allowed you 
to go 42 miles in such seclusion? I presume if a car had passed/stopped you 
would have accepted help?

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 7:07:22 PM UTC-7, ascpgh wrote:
>
> My own broken body after an unfortunate wreck on a road, a very long way 
> from a safe place, in the Rocky Mountains.
>
> Deep flesh wounds and a blown out shoulder from hitting (and sticking to) 
> the chip top at velocity. 42 miles to the next town. 
>
> I emailed Grant about how impressed I and those with me were that I could 
> ride my bike with one arm hanging useless in the tail of my shirt pulled up 
> over my head as a sling for the distance. I looked like an extra from Mad 
> Max by the end of the ride. I even could ride way before I had useful 
> recovery from the injuries too. 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 8:39:26 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:
>>
>> Photo sent to me by a fellow Atlantis owner & obviously bird lover.  This 
>> is 40 lbs of birdseed and did not upset the bike's handling.  While I 
>> didn't weigh the load nor take photos, I've had a stack of canvas tote bags 
>> on my Atlantis that was large enough to make getting on the bike difficult 
>> and most definitely upset the handling.
>>
>> Nice tidy pannier loads aside, what interesting things have people 
>> carried on their Rivendells?  
>>
>> dougP
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: what have you carried on your Rivendell?

[Tim Tetrault]

Andy- powerful story. Thanks for sharing, glad you're okay.


On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 6:07 PM, ascpgh  wrote:

> My own broken body after an unfortunate wreck on a road, a very long way
> from a safe place, in the Rocky Mountains.
>
> Deep flesh wounds and a blown out shoulder from hitting (and sticking to)
> the chip top at velocity. 42 miles to the next town.
>
> I emailed Grant about how impressed I and those with me were that I could
> ride my bike with one arm hanging useless in the tail of my shirt pulled up
> over my head as a sling for the distance. I looked like an extra from Mad
> Max by the end of the ride. I even could ride way before I had useful
> recovery from the injuries too.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 8:39:26 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:
>>
>> Photo sent to me by a fellow Atlantis owner & obviously bird lover.  This
>> is 40 lbs of birdseed and did not upset the bike's handling.  While I
>> didn't weigh the load nor take photos, I've had a stack of canvas tote bags
>> on my Atlantis that was large enough to make getting on the bike difficult
>> and most definitely upset the handling.
>>
>> Nice tidy pannier loads aside, what interesting things have people
>> carried on their Rivendells?
>>
>> dougP
>>
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[RBW] Re: what have you carried on your Rivendell?

[ascpgh]

My own broken body after an unfortunate wreck on a road, a very long way 
from a safe place, in the Rocky Mountains.

Deep flesh wounds and a blown out shoulder from hitting (and sticking to) 
the chip top at velocity. 42 miles to the next town. 

I emailed Grant about how impressed I and those with me were that I could 
ride my bike with one arm hanging useless in the tail of my shirt pulled up 
over my head as a sling for the distance. I looked like an extra from Mad 
Max by the end of the ride. I even could ride way before I had useful 
recovery from the injuries too. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 8:39:26 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:
>
> Photo sent to me by a fellow Atlantis owner & obviously bird lover.  This 
> is 40 lbs of birdseed and did not upset the bike's handling.  While I 
> didn't weigh the load nor take photos, I've had a stack of canvas tote bags 
> on my Atlantis that was large enough to make getting on the bike difficult 
> and most definitely upset the handling.
>
> Nice tidy pannier loads aside, what interesting things have people carried 
> on their Rivendells?  
>
> dougP
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Which RBW Velosophies have worked for you? Which haven't?

[Bill Gibson]

I feel nekkid without my hardhat. Not that Rivendell Bicycle Works opposes
hardhats. Just that they might be optional, but I don't want to start
anything, honest.


On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Bill Gibson  wrote:

> I wear a lot of wool, when I can. But much of the year, in Phoenix, cotton
> is a performance fabric for me. Loose, light cotton.
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Eric Platt wrote:
>
>> Like some others, was gravitating back towards this style when I found
>> Rivendell.  Before my time off the bike, my riding was done on a mid 1980's
>> mountain bike with fenders, flat pedals, upright bars, Brooks saddle and
>> fat(ish) tires.
>>
>> What I've picked up -
>> 1 - wool.  Was usually a cotton and/or synthetic person.  Especially in
>> winter riding.  At that point wool clothing was still fairly itchy and
>> expensive.
>> 2. - Handlebars way, way up there.
>> 3 - saddlebags.  Used to always have a bag on the bike. But now they are
>> bigger.  Still do most of my commuting with a pannier, though.  And camping.
>> 4. riding for fun.  While I've done one race since getting back on the
>> bike, most of the riding is just for riding.  Or camping, or commuting.
>>  But not always with a goal in mind.
>> 5. - S24O  Used to think one had to spend a week or more to go bike
>> camping.  This was a big revelation.  With other things in my life, this is
>> really the only way I can get out and camp.
>>
>> What hasn't worked -
>> 1 - 650B  It wasn't a Rivendell bike, but the whole thing didn't work for
>> me.  No matter how often I tried to like it.
>> 2 - Brooks saddles.  Used to use them almost exclusively.  Then just
>> under a year and a half ago my backside revolted.  While not as elegant,
>> the Terry saddle has worked well.
>> 3. - moustache bars.  Admittedly have not tried a long ride on them, but
>> every time I've tried them out my wrists and hands start revolting.
>>
>>  Eric Platt
>> St. Paul, MN
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Dan Abelson  wrote:
>>
>>> Wide tires, wool, and platform pedals are the biggest for me. On the not
>>> working so well side albatross bars, and bars well above saddle height.
>>> On Nov 20, 2013 4:28 PM, "Chris Lampe 2"  wrote:
>>>
 I think I was attracted to Rivendell because they advocated much of
 what I was already doing.  The big differences that work for me:

 1)  Grant got me back on steel.  I started on steel in 1995 (plus 38mm
 tires and high handlebars) and "upgraded" to aluminum in 2007.  Grant got
 me to comparing my steel and aluminum bikes and steel came out the winner.
 2)  Fat tires.  With a short, 6-month exception, all of my riding was
 on 35-38mm tires.  My inclination was to go skinner.  Now I've got 40mm
 Schwalbe and I'm looking for a bike that will let me mount Big Apples.
 That single limitation is my current bikes' biggest drawback.
 3)  Titanium sporks.  I like a lot of "bits and pieces" in my salad and
 I've always been frustrated because a fork doesn't work well at the end of
 the salad and I don't like having to switch utensils.  I never considered a
 spork because I'd never seen one that wasn't plastic (and breakable) and
 I'd never seen one where the tines extended far enough to actually stab
 baby carrots and grape tomatoes.

 As far as what hasn't worked for me, there is only one big one:

 Albatross bars.   I desperately want to like them but they are the most
 uncomfortable thing I've ever ridden.  I've tried them on several different
 bikes with different top-tube lengths and at different bar heights.  Having
 my hands nearly parallel to the top tube is just the most uncomfortable
 feeling I can imagine.  One of my second-hand bikes had a set of MTB bars
 with 60mm of rise, 10 degrees of sweep and an overall width of 66cm and
 they are perfect.  Every time I try a different bar I end up coming back to
 those.

 There are still plenty of Riv ideas I haven't tried that intrigue me so
 only time will tell.


 On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 11:05:09 PM UTC-6, Michael wrote:

> Thought hearing from you all would make an interesting thread.
> I have been enjoying my Sam for a long time now.
> I call these RBW ideas because that is where I first heard about them
> (thought I know they have been around for years, just not embraced so much
> these days). I was an alu/composite race bike kinda rider until I started
> to fear carbon failures and wanted to look into an all metal bike.
>
> I'll start:
>
> *RBW ideas that worked for me:*
> *1. Wider tires.* This has made a huge diff for my quality of riding.
> I used to own a typical race bike with 700 x 25, 120psi tires.
> It was great to ride, but hard to handle as it banged and bounced and
> tires got yanked around on gravelly, busted up shoulders. Not to mention
> the fear of getting the 

Re: [RBW] Re: Once you go Riv can you ever go back?

[Hugh Smitham]

Yep a pre-ride gospel might work but I know my audience and it  worked
better post ride. I just know what kind of ride I like these days and if I
ride with them I sort of know it'll be a rush push, so if I remain true to
what I like and when I occasionally ride with them it'll be in a relaxed
manner perhaps it will rub off?


Peace,


~Hugh


On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Montclair BobbyB <
montclairbob...@gmail.com> wrote:

> *What I took away from this experience is that while on the ride I barely
> had time to take a picture, I kept looking at all the amazing dirt roads we
> were passing and that's where I wanted to ride. *
>
> *... no smiles just grimaces...*
>
> SO TRUE!!!  ... Maybe a little pre-ride gospel: *Take time to see and
> enjoy the beauty, and the world always looks brighter from behind a
> smile...*
>
> Peace,
> BB
>
> On Monday, November 18, 2013 12:31:34 AM UTC-5, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> Timely, I was going to make a similar post...an old riding partner
>> returned to Los Angeles after living in Massachusetts for three years I
>> always rode race bike mode with him and wore a sausage suit, this Summer I
>> was cleaning out my Bike clothing closet and stuffed all my kits into two
>> bags and stowed them in my attic preferring comfort clothing.
>>
>> While he was living out East he complained about the road conditions and
>> traffic and the only real option was to ride on dirt roads, hearing that I
>> suggested he look into Rivendell that's about the time I drank the kool-Aid
>> and bought my AHH. So leading up to this Saturday he offers to loan me a
>> skinny tired bike I said thank you very much I'll stick with my 42 mm's All
>> the old suspects showed up and some new faces I showed up with  the AHH in
>> my comfortable clothing, bandanna, tennis shoes and low saddle long flap
>> saddle bag...off we rolled on a climby 30 mile loop and I gotta say I kept
>> up only falling off the back on descents but up top with no problem...later
>> while having lunch the topic of clip-less pedals came up and they were all
>> surprised I was not using them (while on the ride one of them fell down and
>> was unable to disengage from the pedal and gave up some skin to the asphalt
>> Gods) and how efficient I was. I got to spread the "Riv" gospel a bit.
>>
>> What I took away from this experience is that while on the ride I barely
>> had time to take a picture, I kept looking at all the amazing dirt roads we
>> were passing and that's where I wanted to ride. The area was bursting with
>> racer types no smiles just grimaces...yeah I'm not going back! I may ride a
>> road bike with 28 mm tires but won't be wearing clingy aero wear.
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>> On Sunday, November 17, 2013 6:21:23 PM UTC-8, Mike wrote:
>>>
>>> I was getting ready for today's ride and trying to decide between
>>> getting kitted up in bibs, jersey, clipless pedals or my standard rambling
>>> kit--Sambas, Chrome knickers, wool undershirt and t-shirt. I just couldn't
>>> get excited about the bibs and all that. Over the past year I've pretty
>>> much done less than 5 rides in a "traditional" kit. I'm not anti clipless
>>> pedals and clingy cycling clothes. My riding today is more like a hike
>>> rather than a trail run so I just don't see a need for the bibs and all the
>>> other stuff. It's so much more comfortable in my rambling kit. I even did
>>> multiple 80+ mile rides in this kit.
>>>
>>> And as for my bikes... I've been preferring my LHT to my Hilsen as the
>>> LHT is even more Riv'ed out than my Hilsen. just a tad more comfy and
>>> stable. Although contrary to Grant's preferences, I prefer the one pannier
>>> for holding my lock, yams (the new corn dog), book, layers, tools, etc.
>>>
>>> On today's ride I couldn't help but think, have I gone past the point of
>>> no return?
>>>
>>> Images from today's ride: http://www.flickr.com/
>>> photos/41335973@N00/sets/72157637785515593/
>>>
>>> --mike
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Which RBW Velosophies have worked for you? Which haven't?

[Bill Gibson]

I wear a lot of wool, when I can. But much of the year, in Phoenix, cotton
is a performance fabric for me. Loose, light cotton.


On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Eric Platt  wrote:

> Like some others, was gravitating back towards this style when I found
> Rivendell.  Before my time off the bike, my riding was done on a mid 1980's
> mountain bike with fenders, flat pedals, upright bars, Brooks saddle and
> fat(ish) tires.
>
> What I've picked up -
> 1 - wool.  Was usually a cotton and/or synthetic person.  Especially in
> winter riding.  At that point wool clothing was still fairly itchy and
> expensive.
> 2. - Handlebars way, way up there.
> 3 - saddlebags.  Used to always have a bag on the bike. But now they are
> bigger.  Still do most of my commuting with a pannier, though.  And camping.
> 4. riding for fun.  While I've done one race since getting back on the
> bike, most of the riding is just for riding.  Or camping, or commuting.
>  But not always with a goal in mind.
> 5. - S24O  Used to think one had to spend a week or more to go bike
> camping.  This was a big revelation.  With other things in my life, this is
> really the only way I can get out and camp.
>
> What hasn't worked -
> 1 - 650B  It wasn't a Rivendell bike, but the whole thing didn't work for
> me.  No matter how often I tried to like it.
> 2 - Brooks saddles.  Used to use them almost exclusively.  Then just under
> a year and a half ago my backside revolted.  While not as elegant, the
> Terry saddle has worked well.
> 3. - moustache bars.  Admittedly have not tried a long ride on them, but
> every time I've tried them out my wrists and hands start revolting.
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Dan Abelson  wrote:
>
>> Wide tires, wool, and platform pedals are the biggest for me. On the not
>> working so well side albatross bars, and bars well above saddle height.
>> On Nov 20, 2013 4:28 PM, "Chris Lampe 2"  wrote:
>>
>>> I think I was attracted to Rivendell because they advocated much of what
>>> I was already doing.  The big differences that work for me:
>>>
>>> 1)  Grant got me back on steel.  I started on steel in 1995 (plus 38mm
>>> tires and high handlebars) and "upgraded" to aluminum in 2007.  Grant got
>>> me to comparing my steel and aluminum bikes and steel came out the winner.
>>> 2)  Fat tires.  With a short, 6-month exception, all of my riding was on
>>> 35-38mm tires.  My inclination was to go skinner.  Now I've got 40mm
>>> Schwalbe and I'm looking for a bike that will let me mount Big Apples.
>>> That single limitation is my current bikes' biggest drawback.
>>> 3)  Titanium sporks.  I like a lot of "bits and pieces" in my salad and
>>> I've always been frustrated because a fork doesn't work well at the end of
>>> the salad and I don't like having to switch utensils.  I never considered a
>>> spork because I'd never seen one that wasn't plastic (and breakable) and
>>> I'd never seen one where the tines extended far enough to actually stab
>>> baby carrots and grape tomatoes.
>>>
>>> As far as what hasn't worked for me, there is only one big one:
>>>
>>> Albatross bars.   I desperately want to like them but they are the most
>>> uncomfortable thing I've ever ridden.  I've tried them on several different
>>> bikes with different top-tube lengths and at different bar heights.  Having
>>> my hands nearly parallel to the top tube is just the most uncomfortable
>>> feeling I can imagine.  One of my second-hand bikes had a set of MTB bars
>>> with 60mm of rise, 10 degrees of sweep and an overall width of 66cm and
>>> they are perfect.  Every time I try a different bar I end up coming back to
>>> those.
>>>
>>> There are still plenty of Riv ideas I haven't tried that intrigue me so
>>> only time will tell.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 11:05:09 PM UTC-6, Michael wrote:
>>>
 Thought hearing from you all would make an interesting thread.
 I have been enjoying my Sam for a long time now.
 I call these RBW ideas because that is where I first heard about them
 (thought I know they have been around for years, just not embraced so much
 these days). I was an alu/composite race bike kinda rider until I started
 to fear carbon failures and wanted to look into an all metal bike.

 I'll start:

 *RBW ideas that worked for me:*
 *1. Wider tires.* This has made a huge diff for my quality of riding.
 I used to own a typical race bike with 700 x 25, 120psi tires.
 It was great to ride, but hard to handle as it banged and bounced and
 tires got yanked around on gravelly, busted up shoulders. Not to mention
 the fear of getting the narrow tires caught in longitudinal road cracks.
 Got my Rivendell bikes and have used 32mm-40mm ~55psi tires on them and
 what a difference.
 No more bike bouncing. Slight rumbling and I am through the rough road
 parts. Tires stay on their straight course through the bad patches and I
 feel s

Re: [RBW] Re: Which RBW Velosophies have worked for you? Which haven't?

[Eric Platt]

Like some others, was gravitating back towards this style when I found
Rivendell.  Before my time off the bike, my riding was done on a mid 1980's
mountain bike with fenders, flat pedals, upright bars, Brooks saddle and
fat(ish) tires.

What I've picked up -
1 - wool.  Was usually a cotton and/or synthetic person.  Especially in
winter riding.  At that point wool clothing was still fairly itchy and
expensive.
2. - Handlebars way, way up there.
3 - saddlebags.  Used to always have a bag on the bike. But now they are
bigger.  Still do most of my commuting with a pannier, though.  And camping.
4. riding for fun.  While I've done one race since getting back on the
bike, most of the riding is just for riding.  Or camping, or commuting.
 But not always with a goal in mind.
5. - S24O  Used to think one had to spend a week or more to go bike
camping.  This was a big revelation.  With other things in my life, this is
really the only way I can get out and camp.

What hasn't worked -
1 - 650B  It wasn't a Rivendell bike, but the whole thing didn't work for
me.  No matter how often I tried to like it.
2 - Brooks saddles.  Used to use them almost exclusively.  Then just under
a year and a half ago my backside revolted.  While not as elegant, the
Terry saddle has worked well.
3. - moustache bars.  Admittedly have not tried a long ride on them, but
every time I've tried them out my wrists and hands start revolting.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN


On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Dan Abelson  wrote:

> Wide tires, wool, and platform pedals are the biggest for me. On the not
> working so well side albatross bars, and bars well above saddle height.
> On Nov 20, 2013 4:28 PM, "Chris Lampe 2"  wrote:
>
>> I think I was attracted to Rivendell because they advocated much of what
>> I was already doing.  The big differences that work for me:
>>
>> 1)  Grant got me back on steel.  I started on steel in 1995 (plus 38mm
>> tires and high handlebars) and "upgraded" to aluminum in 2007.  Grant got
>> me to comparing my steel and aluminum bikes and steel came out the winner.
>> 2)  Fat tires.  With a short, 6-month exception, all of my riding was on
>> 35-38mm tires.  My inclination was to go skinner.  Now I've got 40mm
>> Schwalbe and I'm looking for a bike that will let me mount Big Apples.
>> That single limitation is my current bikes' biggest drawback.
>> 3)  Titanium sporks.  I like a lot of "bits and pieces" in my salad and
>> I've always been frustrated because a fork doesn't work well at the end of
>> the salad and I don't like having to switch utensils.  I never considered a
>> spork because I'd never seen one that wasn't plastic (and breakable) and
>> I'd never seen one where the tines extended far enough to actually stab
>> baby carrots and grape tomatoes.
>>
>> As far as what hasn't worked for me, there is only one big one:
>>
>> Albatross bars.   I desperately want to like them but they are the most
>> uncomfortable thing I've ever ridden.  I've tried them on several different
>> bikes with different top-tube lengths and at different bar heights.  Having
>> my hands nearly parallel to the top tube is just the most uncomfortable
>> feeling I can imagine.  One of my second-hand bikes had a set of MTB bars
>> with 60mm of rise, 10 degrees of sweep and an overall width of 66cm and
>> they are perfect.  Every time I try a different bar I end up coming back to
>> those.
>>
>> There are still plenty of Riv ideas I haven't tried that intrigue me so
>> only time will tell.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 11:05:09 PM UTC-6, Michael wrote:
>>
>>> Thought hearing from you all would make an interesting thread.
>>> I have been enjoying my Sam for a long time now.
>>> I call these RBW ideas because that is where I first heard about them
>>> (thought I know they have been around for years, just not embraced so much
>>> these days). I was an alu/composite race bike kinda rider until I started
>>> to fear carbon failures and wanted to look into an all metal bike.
>>>
>>> I'll start:
>>>
>>> *RBW ideas that worked for me:*
>>> *1. Wider tires.* This has made a huge diff for my quality of riding. I
>>> used to own a typical race bike with 700 x 25, 120psi tires.
>>> It was great to ride, but hard to handle as it banged and bounced and
>>> tires got yanked around on gravelly, busted up shoulders. Not to mention
>>> the fear of getting the narrow tires caught in longitudinal road cracks.
>>> Got my Rivendell bikes and have used 32mm-40mm ~55psi tires on them and
>>> what a difference.
>>> No more bike bouncing. Slight rumbling and I am through the rough road
>>> parts. Tires stay on their straight course through the bad patches and I
>>> feel so much safer. Cush to boot. Very stable handling.
>>> I cannot see myself ever going back to anything narrower than 32mm wide
>>> tires. They seem dangerous to me now.
>>> *2. Fenders.* I never woulda dreamed of putting these on a bike in the
>>> past. But now I don't see riding without them making any

Re: [RBW] Re: what have you carried on your Rivendell?

[cyclotourist]

And they let you leave

On 11/20/13, EastBayGuy  wrote:
> Stopped by RBWHQ last Saturday and was asked what was in my Medium
> Saddlebag. My reply was...
>
> 12 pack of 21st amendment Beer
> 3 pound Tritip
> 4 ears of Corn
> red onion
> pound of cheese
> baguette
>
> Amazing what you can fit in the Medium Saddlebag
>
> Dustin G
> WC Ca
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: what have you carried on your Rivendell?

[Christopher Chen]

And you can use irish straps to hold a 2' disco ball on top of the D-rings!

cc


On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 4:01 PM, EastBayGuy  wrote:

> Stopped by RBWHQ last Saturday and was asked what was in my Medium
> Saddlebag. My reply was...
>
> 12 pack of 21st amendment Beer
> 3 pound Tritip
> 4 ears of Corn
> red onion
> pound of cheese
> baguette
>
> Amazing what you can fit in the Medium Saddlebag
>
> Dustin G
> WC Ca
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[RBW] Re: what have you carried on your Rivendell?

[EastBayGuy]

Stopped by RBWHQ last Saturday and was asked what was in my Medium 
Saddlebag. My reply was...

12 pack of 21st amendment Beer
3 pound Tritip
4 ears of Corn
red onion
pound of cheese
baguette

Amazing what you can fit in the Medium Saddlebag

Dustin G
WC Ca


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Re: [RBW] Re: Which RBW Velosophies have worked for you? Which haven't?

[Dan Abelson]

Wide tires, wool, and platform pedals are the biggest for me. On the not
working so well side albatross bars, and bars well above saddle height.
On Nov 20, 2013 4:28 PM, "Chris Lampe 2"  wrote:

> I think I was attracted to Rivendell because they advocated much of what I
> was already doing.  The big differences that work for me:
>
> 1)  Grant got me back on steel.  I started on steel in 1995 (plus 38mm
> tires and high handlebars) and "upgraded" to aluminum in 2007.  Grant got
> me to comparing my steel and aluminum bikes and steel came out the winner.
> 2)  Fat tires.  With a short, 6-month exception, all of my riding was on
> 35-38mm tires.  My inclination was to go skinner.  Now I've got 40mm
> Schwalbe and I'm looking for a bike that will let me mount Big Apples.
> That single limitation is my current bikes' biggest drawback.
> 3)  Titanium sporks.  I like a lot of "bits and pieces" in my salad and
> I've always been frustrated because a fork doesn't work well at the end of
> the salad and I don't like having to switch utensils.  I never considered a
> spork because I'd never seen one that wasn't plastic (and breakable) and
> I'd never seen one where the tines extended far enough to actually stab
> baby carrots and grape tomatoes.
>
> As far as what hasn't worked for me, there is only one big one:
>
> Albatross bars.   I desperately want to like them but they are the most
> uncomfortable thing I've ever ridden.  I've tried them on several different
> bikes with different top-tube lengths and at different bar heights.  Having
> my hands nearly parallel to the top tube is just the most uncomfortable
> feeling I can imagine.  One of my second-hand bikes had a set of MTB bars
> with 60mm of rise, 10 degrees of sweep and an overall width of 66cm and
> they are perfect.  Every time I try a different bar I end up coming back to
> those.
>
> There are still plenty of Riv ideas I haven't tried that intrigue me so
> only time will tell.
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 11:05:09 PM UTC-6, Michael wrote:
>
>> Thought hearing from you all would make an interesting thread.
>> I have been enjoying my Sam for a long time now.
>> I call these RBW ideas because that is where I first heard about them
>> (thought I know they have been around for years, just not embraced so much
>> these days). I was an alu/composite race bike kinda rider until I started
>> to fear carbon failures and wanted to look into an all metal bike.
>>
>> I'll start:
>>
>> *RBW ideas that worked for me:*
>> *1. Wider tires.* This has made a huge diff for my quality of riding. I
>> used to own a typical race bike with 700 x 25, 120psi tires.
>> It was great to ride, but hard to handle as it banged and bounced and
>> tires got yanked around on gravelly, busted up shoulders. Not to mention
>> the fear of getting the narrow tires caught in longitudinal road cracks.
>> Got my Rivendell bikes and have used 32mm-40mm ~55psi tires on them and
>> what a difference.
>> No more bike bouncing. Slight rumbling and I am through the rough road
>> parts. Tires stay on their straight course through the bad patches and I
>> feel so much safer. Cush to boot. Very stable handling.
>> I cannot see myself ever going back to anything narrower than 32mm wide
>> tires. They seem dangerous to me now.
>> *2. Fenders.* I never woulda dreamed of putting these on a bike in the
>> past. But now I don't see riding without them making any sense to me. It is
>> just good to be prepared and not have to worry about grunging up the bike
>> with the street scum. They look great to boot, and are standard equipment
>> on my bikes. I love the ultra coverage of the longboards.
>> *3. Leather saddles.* No more butt pain. yay! What a smooth surface to
>> sit on. I did have a little break in for a coupla weeks, but another dab o'
>> proofhide broke her in and now its great.
>> *4. Steel bike/lugs/cream headtubes/metal head badges.* Such a stable
>> ride, beautiful to look at, and no worries about "did I tension that bolt
>> 1nM too far?". Feels good to not have to wonder about failures. The lugs
>> and paint jobs are intoxicating.
>> *5. Smaller chainrings/bigger cassettes/Triples.* Healthiest pedaling I
>> have ever felt in my legs. The Sugino toothcounts work great for my neck of
>> the woods. I would never want to go back to 39-52 or 30-40-54 cranks again.
>> And, I have discovered that compact cranksets aren't for me. I love triples.
>> *6. Big Saddle bags.* I love that I can carry lunch, repair
>> kits/tools and a jacket in my Carradice, etc. So convenient. No more
>> wondering how will I fit everything into my small nylon wedge.
>> *7. Cotton tape/twine and shellac.* I balked at the idea as just taking
>> things too far. But when my Sam arrived with it, it just looked so
>> beautiful and natural and much better than electrical tape. Its fun to do,
>> too!
>> *8. Bar end shifters.* At first I thought that it was ridiculous not to
>> have the convenience of brifters on a bike. But when

[RBW] Re: what have you carried on your Rivendell?

[joe kelly]

last winter i carried my car battery to and from the auto parts store a 
coupla miles away on my quickbeam with a mini font and a wald basket. it 
was so heavy iwas worried it was gonna break. it held though!
joe

On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 8:39:26 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:
>
> Photo sent to me by a fellow Atlantis owner & obviously bird lover.  This 
> is 40 lbs of birdseed and did not upset the bike's handling.  While I 
> didn't weigh the load nor take photos, I've had a stack of canvas tote bags 
> on my Atlantis that was large enough to make getting on the bike difficult 
> and most definitely upset the handling.
>
> Nice tidy pannier loads aside, what interesting things have people carried 
> on their Rivendells?  
>
> dougP
>

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[RBW] Re: Hetres vs. Pari-Moto, your thoughts?

[Hoffsta]

I have both Pari Motos and Hetres and have ridden a good amount of miles on 
each. As far as speed goes, I can't feel too much difference between the to 
two- both are very fast. The difference between either of these tires to a 
stepped down like Col de la Vie is much more noticeable than the difference 
between them. I can attest to the fragility of the Pari Moto as I've had a 
couple of slashes from road debris while I've had none on the Hetre. As for 
comfort, the Hetre is better. Bumps are better neutralized and cornering is 
slightly more confident. If I had to pick one to ride with for the rest of 
my days, it would be the Hetre. Fast and comfortable. I will likely try 
Hetre EL, tubeless next time.

Since you just bought Motos, I recommend wearing them out and then trying 
some Hetres when they need replacing.

Cheers,
Sean
Eugene OR

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[RBW] Re: Which RBW Velosophies have worked for you? Which haven't?

[Chris Lampe 2]

I think I was attracted to Rivendell because they advocated much of what I 
was already doing.  The big differences that work for me:
 
1)  Grant got me back on steel.  I started on steel in 1995 (plus 38mm 
tires and high handlebars) and "upgraded" to aluminum in 2007.  Grant got 
me to comparing my steel and aluminum bikes and steel came out the winner.
2)  Fat tires.  With a short, 6-month exception, all of my riding was on 
35-38mm tires.  My inclination was to go skinner.  Now I've got 40mm 
Schwalbe and I'm looking for a bike that will let me mount Big Apples.  
That single limitation is my current bikes' biggest drawback.
3)  Titanium sporks.  I like a lot of "bits and pieces" in my salad and 
I've always been frustrated because a fork doesn't work well at the end of 
the salad and I don't like having to switch utensils.  I never considered a 
spork because I'd never seen one that wasn't plastic (and breakable) and 
I'd never seen one where the tines extended far enough to actually stab 
baby carrots and grape tomatoes.  
 
As far as what hasn't worked for me, there is only one big one:
 
Albatross bars.   I desperately want to like them but they are the most 
uncomfortable thing I've ever ridden.  I've tried them on several different 
bikes with different top-tube lengths and at different bar heights.  Having 
my hands nearly parallel to the top tube is just the most uncomfortable 
feeling I can imagine.  One of my second-hand bikes had a set of MTB bars 
with 60mm of rise, 10 degrees of sweep and an overall width of 66cm and 
they are perfect.  Every time I try a different bar I end up coming back to 
those. 
 
There are still plenty of Riv ideas I haven't tried that intrigue me so 
only time will tell. 
 
 
On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 11:05:09 PM UTC-6, Michael wrote:

> Thought hearing from you all would make an interesting thread.
> I have been enjoying my Sam for a long time now.
> I call these RBW ideas because that is where I first heard about them 
> (thought I know they have been around for years, just not embraced so much 
> these days). I was an alu/composite race bike kinda rider until I started 
> to fear carbon failures and wanted to look into an all metal bike.
>  
> I'll start:
>  
> *RBW ideas that worked for me:*
> *1. Wider tires.* This has made a huge diff for my quality of riding. I 
> used to own a typical race bike with 700 x 25, 120psi tires.
> It was great to ride, but hard to handle as it banged and bounced and 
> tires got yanked around on gravelly, busted up shoulders. Not to mention 
> the fear of getting the narrow tires caught in longitudinal road cracks.
> Got my Rivendell bikes and have used 32mm-40mm ~55psi tires on them and 
> what a difference.
> No more bike bouncing. Slight rumbling and I am through the rough road 
> parts. Tires stay on their straight course through the bad patches and I 
> feel so much safer. Cush to boot. Very stable handling.
> I cannot see myself ever going back to anything narrower than 32mm wide 
> tires. They seem dangerous to me now.
> *2. Fenders.* I never woulda dreamed of putting these on a bike in the 
> past. But now I don't see riding without them making any sense to me. It is 
> just good to be prepared and not have to worry about grunging up the bike 
> with the street scum. They look great to boot, and are standard equipment 
> on my bikes. I love the ultra coverage of the longboards.
> *3. Leather saddles.* No more butt pain. yay! What a smooth surface to 
> sit on. I did have a little break in for a coupla weeks, but another dab o' 
> proofhide broke her in and now its great.
> *4. Steel bike/lugs/cream headtubes/metal head badges.* Such a stable 
> ride, beautiful to look at, and no worries about "did I tension that bolt 
> 1nM too far?". Feels good to not have to wonder about failures. The lugs 
> and paint jobs are intoxicating.
> *5. Smaller chainrings/bigger cassettes/Triples.* Healthiest pedaling I 
> have ever felt in my legs. The Sugino toothcounts work great for my neck of 
> the woods. I would never want to go back to 39-52 or 30-40-54 cranks again. 
> And, I have discovered that compact cranksets aren't for me. I love triples.
> *6. Big Saddle bags.* I love that I can carry lunch, repair 
> kits/tools and a jacket in my Carradice, etc. So convenient. No more 
> wondering how will I fit everything into my small nylon wedge.
> *7. Cotton tape/twine and shellac.* I balked at the idea as just taking 
> things too far. But when my Sam arrived with it, it just looked so 
> beautiful and natural and much better than electrical tape. Its fun to do, 
> too!
> *8. Bar end shifters.* At first I thought that it was ridiculous not to 
> have the convenience of brifters on a bike. But when I got my first Rivbike 
> with bar ends, it was love at first shift. Just makes it so much more fun 
> to play with those things than brifting. I think it also encourages your 
> hands to move around more on the bars and I think that helps 

[RBW] Re: Which RBW Velosophies have worked for you? Which haven't?

[Daniel D.]

This is where I miss clipless pedals the most.  Now I fumble more often to 
get the pedal in a good starting position, with clipless it was pretty 
automatic since my foot was stuck to it :p.

On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 9:05:09 PM UTC-8, Michael wrote:
>
>
> *9. Platform pedals/ditching the click-ins.* I don't have to fumble 
> across the intersection anymore to click in. And think of all that cash I 
> save by not having to buy expensive click in shoes and cleats/pedals.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Favorite Bike Build-up 'Secret'

[Philip Williamson]

Boom. I'm stealing this. Great idea. My uncle the mechanic always had one 
of those, along with a mirror-on-a-stick. 
Thanks!


On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 12:51:32 PM UTC-8, velomann wrote:
>
> One tool I use a lot, and I'd be lost without, is one of those retractable 
> magnet wands. Looks like a shiny pen  - or car antennae - folded up. Super 
> useful in sucking the bearings out of a wheel or BB when rebuilding. Also 
> useful for sweeping the floor for same bearings when you didn't get them 
> all in the jar lid you were using as a temporary tray.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Favorite Bike Build-up 'Secret'

[Philip Williamson]

"No school like the old school." Mill Valley Cyclery used to do this to all 
their mountain bike builds in the mid-'80s.

Philip
www.biketinker.com


On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 12:21:23 PM UTC-8, Perry wrote:
>
> One more. If you're not planning on/sure about fenders, slip a piece of 
> old inner tube over fork steerer and down to crown before assembly. Slip it 
> over the bottom headset cup after assembly/adjustment. It will prevent 
> water from shooting into bottom of headset like a power wash during a 
> downpour. 2" wide inner tube is about perfect. Of course, this will most 
> definitely offend anyone who believes that a bike without full fenders is 
> an abomination. ;) 
>
> • Perry 
>

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Re: [RBW] Favorite Bike Build-up 'Secret'

[Philip Williamson]

Yep. 
Also learned the hard way. If everything isn't seated hard all the way up 
the line, you'll do it all again. 


On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 10:17:24 AM UTC-8, Anton Tutter wrote:
>
> Oh, and a trick for getting the ferules to seat all the way before making 
> final derailleur adjustments is to yank an exposed section of cable hard 
> after all routing and bolting up has been done.  
>
> Anton
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 1:13:37 PM UTC-5, Anton Tutter wrote:
>>
>> I use a dremel cutting wheel, but then finish the ends flat and open the 
>> ends with a gold old fashioned awl.
>>
>> Anton
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 10:26:43 AM UTC-5, David G wrote:
>>>
>>> When installing new cable housing, cut with a Dremel tool cutting wheel 
>>> and open up the ends with a home-made pokey-spoke (
>>> *http://tinyurl.com/lh5bxdy* ). 
>>>
>>>
>>>  - David G in San Diego  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 6:04 AM, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>>>  
 Whether it's an application of beeswax, a dab of a specific grease, 
 quirky cable routing... What is your own favorite tip or trick when 
 building up a new bike out replacing components...?

 I'm pretty new to the game but I notice small mentions in some if the 
 riv products of arcane or fancy installs, and I've seen all manner of 
 custom work at my local co-op.  I recently had the pleasure of visiting 
 Rob 
 at Ocean Air Cycles and was impressed at the attention to detail in his 
 builds and the small bits and pieces adapted to make fenders and lights 
 melt into the frame.

 I'll start, not that it's much of a secret but I've come to really like 
 starting my handlebar wrap with a layer of recycled inner tube... Cheap 
 and 
 available, more cush than cork under cotton.  You can also run with it 
 without cotton on top as you are trying out different brake/shifter 
 configurations or bar height.  It's really easy to work with and you can 
 even cut it in half canoe style to reduce the'thickness' in some areas or 
 add thickness in other places.

 What do you have!?!
 Tony

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Re: [RBW] Favorite Bike Build-up 'Secret'

[Philip Williamson]

Amen to 5 and 7. 
5. I attach the (drop bar) brake levers snug-but-loose, and ride the naked 
bars around the neighborhood, and kind of wriggle them up, down, toe-in, 
etc, until they're good. Then I lock them down and ride farther, to make 
sure. Then I tape. 
7. I have indeed adjusted fiddly things while balancing the bike with my 
head. Now I use the stand if I'm just changing a tire, and it's just 
holding the bike off the ground while I work nearby. 

- I like to keep my cable housing "short but graceful." I hold the housings 
where they need to run, and turn the bars all the way, both ways, and mark 
the cable against the stop. I cut it at the mark, and it seems to work. I 
assume everyone does this, but I did learn the hard way. 
- Oh! I rebuilt the cockpit on someone else's bike (flat bars to Albas), 
and only had to buy one brake and one shift cable, because I reused the old 
rear brake and shifter cables as the new fronts.  
- I reuse cable ends by pinching them "open" again, then pinching them 
flat. 
- Anytime the bike shop asks if I need cable ends or "bolts with that," I 
say yes. If they charge me, fine, if not, even better. 

Philip
www.biketinker.com


On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 7:13:18 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> 1. Think it through, first. Test it first, before committing, if you can. 
> If there are instructions, read the instructions. This applies in great 
> heaping spades to cable housing. (And how do I know that???) 
>
> 2. Decent tools. I have built complete bikes and hacked drivetrains with 
> the crudest of tools, as a boy, but it is far, far easier to have box 
> wrenches instead of vise grips and pipe wrench, chain tool instead of 
> hammer, nail, and large-ish nut, and a bench vise instead of the hammer 
> again and a stump. And using nail and hammer on the adjustable cup and 
> lockring on an old bb assembly may require patience.
>
> 3. Keep track of little parts! Oh, my! I now have a series of small, steel 
> bowls and sardine cans in which to temporarily store those little ball 
> bearings, shifter tension washers, and chain master links.
>
> 4. Have a favorite drink handy and pleasant music on the hi-fi. The last 
> drowns out the cursing.
>
> 5. Don't tape your bar before you've ridden the new bike at least a few 
> miles. This mistake often goes with cutting cable housing to the wrong 
> length.
>
> 6. Know and acknowledge that not all parts work together on all frames. 
> No, you cannot get standard reach calipers to work on a 700c wheel jammed 
> into a rod brake roadster frame. No, an old, worn, coaster brake will not 
> modulate well with a 50/15 gear. No, you cannot salvage that 125 mm bb 
> assembly to use with your Grafton crankset, at least if you expect the 
> chainline to be remotely normal and the front derailleur to work properly.
>
> 7. Lastly, a good stand. Hell, even a bad stand. I've torn down and 
> rebuilt dozens of bikes, they either lying on the floor or leaning against 
> the wall -- have you tried to adjust the offside lockring on an old, cheap 
> cup'n'cone bb while propping the bike up with your head?
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 7:04 AM, Tony DeFilippo 
> > wrote:
>
>> Whether it's an application of beeswax, a dab of a specific grease, 
>> quirky cable routing... What is your own favorite tip or trick when 
>> building up a new bike out replacing components...?
>>
>> I'm pretty new to the game but I notice small mentions in some if the riv 
>> products of arcane or fancy installs, and I've seen all manner of custom 
>> work at my local co-op.  I recently had the pleasure of visiting Rob at 
>> Ocean Air Cycles and was impressed at the attention to detail in his builds 
>> and the small bits and pieces adapted to make fenders and lights melt into 
>> the frame.
>>
>> I'll start, not that it's much of a secret but I've come to really like 
>> starting my handlebar wrap with a layer of recycled inner tube... Cheap and 
>> available, more cush than cork under cotton.  You can also run with it 
>> without cotton on top as you are trying out different brake/shifter 
>> configurations or bar height.  It's really easy to work with and you can 
>> even cut it in half canoe style to reduce the'thickness' in some areas or 
>> add thickness in other places.
>>
>> What do you have!?!
>> Tony
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[RBW] Re: Favorite Bike Build-up 'Secret'

[Iron Rider]

I send this comment:
 

On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 4:52:23 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:

> Anti-sieze compound for stuff like stems, seat posts, pedals, cranks, 
> etc.  Anything subject to corrosion, especially aluminum / steel 
> interfaces.  Permatex anti-sieze hangs around long after grease, even 
> Phil's, is gone.  Been using it since the motorcycle days.  Good stuff.
>
>  

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Re: [RBW] Favorite Bike Build-up 'Secret'

[Philip Williamson]

I've heard it called "Athletic Tape," at least at my old Kung Fu studio. 
They sold it for wrapping stick-fighting sticks. 

Philip
www.biketinker.com

On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 8:43:44 AM UTC-8, Kieran J wrote:
>
> We Canucks call this stuff hockey tape. Pretty much found in each and 
> every hardware and skate shop up here, I suppose that's not surprising..
>  
> KJ
>
> On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 9:15:20 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>>  On 11/20/2013 09:04 AM, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>>
>  
>
>>  *Friction tape* is a type of adhesive 
>> tapemade from 
>> cloth  impregnated with a 
>> rubber-based adhesive , and 
>> sometimes an abrasive substance, 
>>
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[RBW] Re: what have you carried on your Rivendell?

[dougP]

That reminds me that I took an old computer printer (a really heavy, clunky 
monster) to the electronic waste recycling on the back of my Atlantis.  Now 
that was wobbly.

dougP

On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 12:21:52 PM UTC-8, Rick wrote:
>
> Some recycling; heavy stuff in the panniers.
>>
>  
>  
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Re: [RBW] Favorite Bike Build-up 'Secret'

[dougP]

Bill:

Now that we know, you may have some inquires, especially about the odd bits 
this group seems to need.  "What's better than having a hefty inventory of 
parts?  A friend with a hefty inventory of parts."  

dougP

On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 10:16:11 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> One big picture item:  INVENTORY.  Over the last 4 or 5 years, I've gotten 
> into the habit of stocking up on almost everything.  I keep an eye out for 
> deals, closeouts, etc.  Spend $40 here, $60 there, maybe $100 every once in 
> a while.  Then, when a frameset comes around, a complete bike materializes 
> from the inventory.  Some things are weird in the size and fit department. 
>  Front derailers and bottom brackets for example, I probably have 10 to 12 
> of each and even then don't always have what I need.  I've got 5 or 6 rear 
> ders, 5 or 6 sets of friction shifters, along with barcon and thumbie and 
> stem mount bases.  I've got 3 or 4 sets of Noodles and a bullmoose. 
>  Something like 15 sets of tires.  Lots of bags and racks.  Several nice 
> 27.2mm seatposts.  A couple nice spare saddles.  I'm kind of low on 
> cranksets, so that will get beefed up this winter.  It's really gratifying 
> when you finish what really amounts to a $2500 build and only spent $700 
> for a frameset because I shopped for all my parts from my own stock.  
>
> One tiny detail item:  I always plug all frame and fork vent holes with a 
> tiny kneaded up blob of beeswax.   
>
> On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 9:52:32 AM UTC-8, jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> 1) Tape the bars with brakes locked hard-closed, so that underlying 
>> cable routing doesn't "squirm about" once you're on the road. 
>>
>> 2) Run shift cables (from cockpit controls) X-style below the DT, 
>> whenever possible. 
>> =- Joe Bunik 
>> Walnut Creek, CA 
>>
>> On 11/20/13, Kieran J  wrote: 
>> > We Canucks call this stuff hockey tape. Pretty much found in each and 
>> every 
>> > 
>> > hardware and skate shop up here, I suppose that's not surprising.. 
>> > 
>> > KJ 
>> > 
>> > On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 9:15:20 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar 
>> wrote: 
>> > 
>> >>  On 11/20/2013 09:04 AM, Tony DeFilippo wrote: 
>> >> 
>> > 
>> > 
>> >>  *Friction tape* is a type of adhesive 
>> >> tapemade from 
>> >> cloth  impregnated with a 
>> >> rubber-based adhesive , and 
>> >> sometimes an abrasive substance, 
>> >> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Favorite Bike Build-up 'Secret'

[sameness]

>
> Leave some extra length in cable runs and don't finish off handlebars. 
> Ride it for a while like that and once satisfied with handlebar/stem, come 
> back for final trim tape, etc. 
>
> • Perry 
>

I need a sign taped to the top tube reading LEAVE HOUSING LONG every time 
I'm in an eager rush to finish a build. The surest way to guarantee I'll 
want to play with bar height is to get the cables and tape perfect 
beforehand.

I also keep an old set of longish brake and shifter cables for this express 
purpose. When everything's copacetic, I swap in the newies. I can't stand 
seeing even a hint of crimped cable before or after the bolt.

I try to never stay on one particularly troublesome task for more than 
three failed attempts or 30 minutes without taking a quick break. When I 
return, the issues are often illuminated like moonlight reflected in the 
falling tide. Or I've just grabbed a beer and a hammer.

And I'll gladly trade three correct, purpose-built tools for one ancient, 
half empty tub of Phil Hand Cleaner.

Jeff Hagedorn
Warragul, VIC Australia

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[RBW] Re: Favorite Bike Build-up 'Secret'

[dougP]

Anti-sieze compound for stuff like stems, seat posts, pedals, cranks, etc.  
Anything subject to corrosion, especially aluminum / steel interfaces.  
Permatex anti-sieze hangs around long after grease, even Phil's, is gone.  
Been using it since the motorcycle days.  Good stuff.

dougP

On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 6:04:07 AM UTC-8, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> Whether it's an application of beeswax, a dab of a specific grease, quirky 
> cable routing... What is your own favorite tip or trick when building up a 
> new bike out replacing components...?
>
> I'm pretty new to the game but I notice small mentions in some if the riv 
> products of arcane or fancy installs, and I've seen all manner of custom 
> work at my local co-op.  I recently had the pleasure of visiting Rob at 
> Ocean Air Cycles and was impressed at the attention to detail in his builds 
> and the small bits and pieces adapted to make fenders and lights melt into 
> the frame.
>
> I'll start, not that it's much of a secret but I've come to really like 
> starting my handlebar wrap with a layer of recycled inner tube... Cheap and 
> available, more cush than cork under cotton.  You can also run with it 
> without cotton on top as you are trying out different brake/shifter 
> configurations or bar height.  It's really easy to work with and you can 
> even cut it in half canoe style to reduce the'thickness' in some areas or 
> add thickness in other places.
>
> What do you have!?!
> Tony
>
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[RBW] Favorite Bike Build-up 'Secret'

[velomann]

One tool I use a lot, and I'd be lost without, is one of those retractable 
magnet wands. Looks like a shiny pen  - or car antennae - folded up. Super 
useful in sucking the bearings out of a wheel or BB when rebuilding. Also 
useful for sweeping the floor for same bearings when you didn't get them all in 
the jar lid you were using as a temporary tray.

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[RBW] Re: Hetres vs. Pari-Moto, your thoughts?

[Rick]

I rode pari motos and had multiple flat issues on a longish trip in the 
mountains.  In fairness, it's possible that I had some residual unlocatable 
metal filing in there that kept re-inserting itself at inopportune times.  
Used my last patch at the top of a steep long climb having located the leak 
in the only source of water for miles around, a rain puddle left in the 
track of an abandoned tractor trailer.  
 
Made it home under my own power, but the confidence I had left in those 
most smooth rolling pari motos was diminished significantly a month later 
when I had a not-particularly sharp stick penetrate straight through -- 
not the sidewall, but center tread.  I've got a picture somewhere.  That 
was that.  
 
Went back to the col de la vie's, then fatty rumpkins, then hetres.  Hetres 
have given me the best ride after the pari motos, but w/o the flats -- one 
over the last two years.  My hetre experience is with the regular kind, not 
the ELs, which I'll probably buy in the near future for the saluki. 

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[RBW] Re: what have you carried on your Rivendell?

[Tim Tetrault]

A belt sander, w/bungees on rack. Not hard, just strange. On Sam H.

On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 5:39:26 PM UTC-8, dougP wrote:
>
> Photo sent to me by a fellow Atlantis owner & obviously bird lover.  This 
> is 40 lbs of birdseed and did not upset the bike's handling.  While I 
> didn't weigh the load nor take photos, I've had a stack of canvas tote bags 
> on my Atlantis that was large enough to make getting on the bike difficult 
> and most definitely upset the handling.
>
> Nice tidy pannier loads aside, what interesting things have people carried 
> on their Rivendells?  
>
> dougP
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike overnight near Ventura California

[Mike Schiller]

I've done it many times.  We often went up into the hills of Montecito and 
came out in downtown Santa Barbara.   A number of times from Santa Paula 
too.

It was a nice escape from the heat of Santa Clarita in the summer.

There is also a nice brewpub called Anacapa in downtown Ventura.

mike

On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 9:45:14 AM UTC-8, Curtis wrote:
>
> Mike,  the Ojai route sounds great.  Seems as if one could do a loop with 
> your route.
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 10:05 PM, Mike Schiller 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> Curtis, you could ride up to Ojai and over Casitas Pass on the 1st day. 
>> About 34 miles and includes a nice bike trail in route to Ojai.  You can go 
>> further up Hwy 150 into Summerland if you want a longer ride and comedown 
>> the coast into Carpinteria.
>> On day two it's an easy ride down the coast ( except a short section on 
>>  the shoulder of Hwy 101) down Rincon and a bike trail into Ventura.  That 
>> section will take less than 2 hours. 
>>
>>  ~mike
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 5:15:24 PM UTC-8, Curtis wrote:
>>
>>> I will be in Ventura next week for about 36 hours. Will be taking the 
>>> bike with plans to camp somewhere.  Any ideas would be most helpful. 
>>>  Thanks.
>>>
>>> Ride safe,
>>>
>>> Curtis
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Re: [RBW] Re: what have you carried on your Rivendell?

[Peter Morgano]

Anyone know what panniers will work with the Burly Moose rack?  I am
looking to do more grocery shopping by bike soon.


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> Some recycling; heavy stuff in the panniers.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Which RBW Velosophies have worked for you? Which haven't?

[C.J. Filip]

YAY - Brooks, friction shifting, 8-speed, 650b (though with Hetres), 
36-spoke wheels, Noodles, Nitto, racks, saddlebags, wide tires, fenders, 
lights, no electronic gadgets
 
NAY - high bars, bomb-proof tires, kickstands, 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Favorite Bike Build-up 'Secret'

[Perry]

One more. If you're not planning on/sure about fenders, slip a piece of old 
inner tube over fork steerer and down to crown before assembly. Slip it over 
the bottom headset cup after assembly/adjustment. It will prevent water from 
shooting into bottom of headset like a power wash during a downpour. 2" wide 
inner tube is about perfect. Of course, this will most definitely offend anyone 
who believes that a bike without full fenders is an abomination. ;)

• Perry

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Re: [RBW] Re: Favorite Bike Build-up 'Secret'

[Perry]

Leave some extra length in cable runs  and don't finish off handlebars. Ride it 
for a while like that and once satisfied with handlebar/stem, come back for 
final trim tape, etc. 

• Perry

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Re: [RBW] Re: Favorite Bike Build-up 'Secret'

[Bill Gibson]

Use needlenose pliers when substituting a hammer, nail, and nut for a chain
tool.
No bike stand? Hang the bike from a tree or a skyhook with a loop of cord.
Portable and versatile, too, when far from shop and home.



On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Only if the wine is grand cru.
>
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> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Ryan  wrote:
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>> MeI like those Nitto barend plugs
>> On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 1:45:50 PM UTC-6, Jan Heine wrote:
>>>
>>> Wine corks as barend plugs. Inexpensive, superlight and look nice.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Once you go Riv can you ever go back?

[Montclair BobbyB]

*What I took away from this experience is that while on the ride I barely 
had time to take a picture, I kept looking at all the amazing dirt roads we 
were passing and that's where I wanted to ride. *

*... no smiles just grimaces...*

SO TRUE!!!  ... Maybe a little pre-ride gospel: *Take time to see and enjoy 
the beauty, and the world always looks brighter from behind a smile...* 

Peace,
BB

On Monday, November 18, 2013 12:31:34 AM UTC-5, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> Timely, I was going to make a similar post...an old riding partner 
> returned to Los Angeles after living in Massachusetts for three years I 
> always rode race bike mode with him and wore a sausage suit, this Summer I 
> was cleaning out my Bike clothing closet and stuffed all my kits into two 
> bags and stowed them in my attic preferring comfort clothing.
>
> While he was living out East he complained about the road conditions and 
> traffic and the only real option was to ride on dirt roads, hearing that I 
> suggested he look into Rivendell that's about the time I drank the kool-Aid 
> and bought my AHH. So leading up to this Saturday he offers to loan me a 
> skinny tired bike I said thank you very much I'll stick with my 42 mm's All 
> the old suspects showed up and some new faces I showed up with  the AHH in 
> my comfortable clothing, bandanna, tennis shoes and low saddle long flap 
> saddle bag...off we rolled on a climby 30 mile loop and I gotta say I kept 
> up only falling off the back on descents but up top with no problem...later 
> while having lunch the topic of clip-less pedals came up and they were all 
> surprised I was not using them (while on the ride one of them fell down and 
> was unable to disengage from the pedal and gave up some skin to the asphalt 
> Gods) and how efficient I was. I got to spread the "Riv" gospel a bit. 
>
> What I took away from this experience is that while on the ride I barely 
> had time to take a picture, I kept looking at all the amazing dirt roads we 
> were passing and that's where I wanted to ride. The area was bursting with 
> racer types no smiles just grimaces...yeah I'm not going back! I may ride a 
> road bike with 28 mm tires but won't be wearing clingy aero wear. 
>
> ~Hugh
>
> On Sunday, November 17, 2013 6:21:23 PM UTC-8, Mike wrote:
>>
>> I was getting ready for today's ride and trying to decide between getting 
>> kitted up in bibs, jersey, clipless pedals or my standard rambling 
>> kit--Sambas, Chrome knickers, wool undershirt and t-shirt. I just couldn't 
>> get excited about the bibs and all that. Over the past year I've pretty 
>> much done less than 5 rides in a "traditional" kit. I'm not anti clipless 
>> pedals and clingy cycling clothes. My riding today is more like a hike 
>> rather than a trail run so I just don't see a need for the bibs and all the 
>> other stuff. It's so much more comfortable in my rambling kit. I even did 
>> multiple 80+ mile rides in this kit. 
>>
>> And as for my bikes... I've been preferring my LHT to my Hilsen as the 
>> LHT is even more Riv'ed out than my Hilsen. just a tad more comfy and 
>> stable. Although contrary to Grant's preferences, I prefer the one pannier 
>> for holding my lock, yams (the new corn dog), book, layers, tools, etc.
>>
>> On today's ride I couldn't help but think, have I gone past the point of 
>> no return? 
>>
>> Images from today's ride: 
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/sets/72157637785515593/
>>
>> --mike
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Favorite Bike Build-up 'Secret'

[Patrick Moore]

Only if the wine is grand cru.

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On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Ryan  wrote:

> MeI like those Nitto barend plugs
> On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 1:45:50 PM UTC-6, Jan Heine wrote:
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>> Wine corks as barend plugs. Inexpensive, superlight and look nice.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Favorite Bike Build-up 'Secret'

[Ryan]

MeI like those Nitto barend plugs
On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 1:45:50 PM UTC-6, Jan Heine wrote: 
>
> Wine corks as barend plugs. Inexpensive, superlight and look nice.
>
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[RBW] Re: Favorite Bike Build-up 'Secret'

[Jan Heine]

Wine corks as barend plugs. Inexpensive, superlight and look nice.

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[RBW] Re: Cable Management (or) More Twine

[Zack]

Most excellent.
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Re: [RBW] Favorite Bike Build-up 'Secret'

[Steve Palincsar]

On 11/20/2013 11:43 AM, Kieran J wrote:
We Canucks call this stuff hockey tape. Pretty much found in each and 
every hardware and skate shop up here, I suppose that's not surprising..

KJ

On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 9:15:20 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:

On 11/20/2013 09:04 AM, Tony DeFilippo wrote:

*Friction tape* is a type of adhesive tape
 made from cloth
 impregnated with a
rubber-based adhesive , and
sometimes an abrasive substance,




I always thought hockey tape was white.  Friction tape is black.

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[RBW] Re: Favorite Bike Build-up 'Secret'

[George Schick]

In keeping with the Dremel tool, use a rotary cutting disc to whack off the 
extra end of an SKS fender stay once fitting and positioning has been 
completed, placing a putty knife blade between the stay and the plastic 
fender to protect it  from being gouged.  Then, switch over to a 
cylindrical grinding bit, using the concave end of it to de-burr and bevel 
the end of the cut-off stay.  For easier installation of the plastic end 
cap, quickly slide it onto the end of the Dremeled stay while it's still 
warm.

On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 8:04:07 AM UTC-6, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> Whether it's an application of beeswax, a dab of a specific grease, quirky 
> cable routing... What is your own favorite tip or trick when building up a 
> new bike out replacing components...?
>
> I'm pretty new to the game but I notice small mentions in some if the riv 
> products of arcane or fancy installs, and I've seen all manner of custom 
> work at my local co-op.  I recently had the pleasure of visiting Rob at 
> Ocean Air Cycles and was impressed at the attention to detail in his builds 
> and the small bits and pieces adapted to make fenders and lights melt into 
> the frame.
>
> I'll start, not that it's much of a secret but I've come to really like 
> starting my handlebar wrap with a layer of recycled inner tube... Cheap and 
> available, more cush than cork under cotton.  You can also run with it 
> without cotton on top as you are trying out different brake/shifter 
> configurations or bar height.  It's really easy to work with and you can 
> even cut it in half canoe style to reduce the'thickness' in some areas or 
> add thickness in other places.
>
> What do you have!?!
> Tony
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Favorite Bike Build-up 'Secret'

[Anton Tutter]

Oh, and a trick for getting the ferules to seat all the way before making 
final derailleur adjustments is to yank an exposed section of cable hard 
after all routing and bolting up has been done.  

Anton


On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 1:13:37 PM UTC-5, Anton Tutter wrote:
>
> I use a dremel cutting wheel, but then finish the ends flat and open the 
> ends with a gold old fashioned awl.
>
> Anton
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 10:26:43 AM UTC-5, David G wrote:
>>
>> When installing new cable housing, cut with a Dremel tool cutting wheel 
>> and open up the ends with a home-made pokey-spoke (
>> *http://tinyurl.com/lh5bxdy* ). 
>>
>>
>>  - David G in San Diego  
>>  
>>  
>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 6:04 AM, Tony DeFilippo  wrote:
>>  
>>> Whether it's an application of beeswax, a dab of a specific grease, 
>>> quirky cable routing... What is your own favorite tip or trick when 
>>> building up a new bike out replacing components...?
>>>
>>> I'm pretty new to the game but I notice small mentions in some if the 
>>> riv products of arcane or fancy installs, and I've seen all manner of 
>>> custom work at my local co-op.  I recently had the pleasure of visiting Rob 
>>> at Ocean Air Cycles and was impressed at the attention to detail in his 
>>> builds and the small bits and pieces adapted to make fenders and lights 
>>> melt into the frame.
>>>
>>> I'll start, not that it's much of a secret but I've come to really like 
>>> starting my handlebar wrap with a layer of recycled inner tube... Cheap and 
>>> available, more cush than cork under cotton.  You can also run with it 
>>> without cotton on top as you are trying out different brake/shifter 
>>> configurations or bar height.  It's really easy to work with and you can 
>>> even cut it in half canoe style to reduce the'thickness' in some areas or 
>>> add thickness in other places.
>>>
>>> What do you have!?!
>>> Tony
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Favorite Bike Build-up 'Secret'

[Bill Lindsay]

One big picture item:  INVENTORY.  Over the last 4 or 5 years, I've gotten 
into the habit of stocking up on almost everything.  I keep an eye out for 
deals, closeouts, etc.  Spend $40 here, $60 there, maybe $100 every once in 
a while.  Then, when a frameset comes around, a complete bike materializes 
from the inventory.  Some things are weird in the size and fit department. 
 Front derailers and bottom brackets for example, I probably have 10 to 12 
of each and even then don't always have what I need.  I've got 5 or 6 rear 
ders, 5 or 6 sets of friction shifters, along with barcon and thumbie and 
stem mount bases.  I've got 3 or 4 sets of Noodles and a bullmoose. 
 Something like 15 sets of tires.  Lots of bags and racks.  Several nice 
27.2mm seatposts.  A couple nice spare saddles.  I'm kind of low on 
cranksets, so that will get beefed up this winter.  It's really gratifying 
when you finish what really amounts to a $2500 build and only spent $700 
for a frameset because I shopped for all my parts from my own stock.  

One tiny detail item:  I always plug all frame and fork vent holes with a 
tiny kneaded up blob of beeswax.   

On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 9:52:32 AM UTC-8, jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> 1) Tape the bars with brakes locked hard-closed, so that underlying 
> cable routing doesn't "squirm about" once you're on the road. 
>
> 2) Run shift cables (from cockpit controls) X-style below the DT, 
> whenever possible. 
> =- Joe Bunik 
> Walnut Creek, CA 
>
> On 11/20/13, Kieran J > wrote: 
> > We Canucks call this stuff hockey tape. Pretty much found in each and 
> every 
> > 
> > hardware and skate shop up here, I suppose that's not surprising.. 
> > 
> > KJ 
> > 
> > On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 9:15:20 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote: 
> > 
> >>  On 11/20/2013 09:04 AM, Tony DeFilippo wrote: 
> >> 
> > 
> > 
> >>  *Friction tape* is a type of adhesive 
> >> tapemade from 
> >> cloth  impregnated with a 
> >> rubber-based adhesive , and 
> >> sometimes an abrasive substance, 
> >> 
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Re: [RBW] what have you carried on your Rivendell?

[dougP]

"What sort of rack is that bag draped over? A stiff rack is of course the 
key for stable loading."

Tubus Cosmo.  

dougP


On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 8:15:52 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I've passed 40 lb (42?) load+panniers on the Ram with Fly -- groceries in 
> the new Ortlieb Rollers.
>
> Max, at least max recorded, was 45 lb total on the lightweight, 1973 
> Motobecane, also in panniers, also on Fly. The Ram is as good as the Mot at 
> rear loads and handles better unladen (for me, anyway). I've carried ~37 lb 
> on the '03 Curt (custom rack) but the Curt doesn't handle loads as well and 
> is definitely happier cutting it off at 30.
>
> What sort of rack is that bag draped over? A stiff rack is of course the 
> key for stable loading.  
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 6:39 PM, dougP >wrote:
>
>> Photo sent to me by a fellow Atlantis owner & obviously bird lover.  This 
>> is 40 lbs of birdseed and did not upset the bike's handling.  While I 
>> didn't weigh the load nor take photos, I've had a stack of canvas tote bags 
>> on my Atlantis that was large enough to make getting on the bike difficult 
>> and most definitely upset the handling.
>>
>> Nice tidy pannier loads aside, what interesting things have people 
>> carried on their Rivendells?  
>>
>> dougP
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Re: [RBW] Favorite Bike Build-up 'Secret'

[Anton Tutter]

I use a dremel cutting wheel, but then finish the ends flat and open the 
ends with a gold old fashioned awl.

Anton


On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 10:26:43 AM UTC-5, David G wrote:
>
> When installing new cable housing, cut with a Dremel tool cutting wheel 
> and open up the ends with a home-made pokey-spoke (
> *http://tinyurl.com/lh5bxdy* ). 
>
>
>  - David G in San Diego  
>  
>  
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 6:04 AM, Tony DeFilippo 
> > wrote:
>  
>> Whether it's an application of beeswax, a dab of a specific grease, 
>> quirky cable routing... What is your own favorite tip or trick when 
>> building up a new bike out replacing components...?
>>
>> I'm pretty new to the game but I notice small mentions in some if the riv 
>> products of arcane or fancy installs, and I've seen all manner of custom 
>> work at my local co-op.  I recently had the pleasure of visiting Rob at 
>> Ocean Air Cycles and was impressed at the attention to detail in his builds 
>> and the small bits and pieces adapted to make fenders and lights melt into 
>> the frame.
>>
>> I'll start, not that it's much of a secret but I've come to really like 
>> starting my handlebar wrap with a layer of recycled inner tube... Cheap and 
>> available, more cush than cork under cotton.  You can also run with it 
>> without cotton on top as you are trying out different brake/shifter 
>> configurations or bar height.  It's really easy to work with and you can 
>> even cut it in half canoe style to reduce the'thickness' in some areas or 
>> add thickness in other places.
>>
>> What do you have!?!
>> Tony
>>
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[RBW] Re: Which RBW Velosophies have worked for you? Which haven't?

[Kieran J]

Pretty much agree with the general thoughts expressed here so far, although 
the only Rivendell I have is a Rambouillet with Jack Browns and a couple 
small bags front and rear, so more towards the road end than some of 
the 4X4-type Rivs. Man, I enjoy that bike.
 
In addition to the classic aesthetic, the Brooks saddles, the wool and 
cotton tape, I appreciate the high-and-back riding stance that Grant seems 
to champion. I've always felt that I like a lot of setback for the saddle, 
with my butt a ways back from the pedals, and the handlebars at or slightly 
below the saddle and on a stem of reasonable length, so I don't feel 
lunge-y. It just feels like a natural riding position for me personally.
 
Some of Grant's design choices don't appeal to me, but overall, I really 
buy into the casual, human approach to bike riding. Functional, durable and 
enjoyable to pilot, with just the right amount of nerd styley flourishes to 
enchant. 
 
KJ
Toronto, Canada
 
 
On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 12:05:09 AM UTC-5, Michael wrote:

>  Thought hearing from you all would make an interesting thread.
> I have been enjoying my Sam for a long time now.
> I call these RBW ideas because that is where I first heard about them 
> (thought I know they have been around for years, just not embraced so much 
> these days). I was an alu/composite race bike kinda rider until I started 
> to fear carbon failures and wanted to look into an all metal bike.
>  
> I'll start:
>  
> *RBW ideas that worked for me:*
> *1. Wider tires.* This has made a huge diff for my quality of riding. I 
> used to own a typical race bike with 700 x 25, 120psi tires.
> It was great to ride, but hard to handle as it banged and bounced and 
> tires got yanked around on gravelly, busted up shoulders. Not to mention 
> the fear of getting the narrow tires caught in longitudinal road cracks.
> Got my Rivendell bikes and have used 32mm-40mm ~55psi tires on them and 
> what a difference.
> No more bike bouncing. Slight rumbling and I am through the rough road 
> parts. Tires stay on their straight course through the bad patches and I 
> feel so much safer. Cush to boot. Very stable handling.
> I cannot see myself ever going back to anything narrower than 32mm wide 
> tires. They seem dangerous to me now.
> *2. Fenders.* I never woulda dreamed of putting these on a bike in the 
> past. But now I don't see riding without them making any sense to me. It is 
> just good to be prepared and not have to worry about grunging up the bike 
> with the street scum. They look great to boot, and are standard equipment 
> on my bikes. I love the ultra coverage of the longboards.
> *3. Leather saddles.* No more butt pain. yay! What a smooth surface to 
> sit on. I did have a little break in for a coupla weeks, but another dab o' 
> proofhide broke her in and now its great.
> *4. Steel bike/lugs/cream headtubes/metal head badges.* Such a stable 
> ride, beautiful to look at, and no worries about "did I tension that bolt 
> 1nM too far?". Feels good to not have to wonder about failures. The lugs 
> and paint jobs are intoxicating.
> *5. Smaller chainrings/bigger cassettes/Triples.* Healthiest pedaling I 
> have ever felt in my legs. The Sugino toothcounts work great for my neck of 
> the woods. I would never want to go back to 39-52 or 30-40-54 cranks again. 
> And, I have discovered that compact cranksets aren't for me. I love triples.
> *6. Big Saddle bags.* I love that I can carry lunch, repair 
> kits/tools and a jacket in my Carradice, etc. So convenient. No more 
> wondering how will I fit everything into my small nylon wedge.
> *7. Cotton tape/twine and shellac.* I balked at the idea as just taking 
> things too far. But when my Sam arrived with it, it just looked so 
> beautiful and natural and much better than electrical tape. Its fun to do, 
> too!
> *8. Bar end shifters.* At first I thought that it was ridiculous not to 
> have the convenience of brifters on a bike. But when I got my first Rivbike 
> with bar ends, it was love at first shift. Just makes it so much more fun 
> to play with those things than brifting. I think it also encourages your 
> hands to move around more on the bars and I think that helps keep the 
> numbness at bay. A quiet friction shift is a very satisfying sensation. And 
> trimming is fun, too.
> *9. Platform pedals/ditching the click-ins.* I started using MKS Touring 
> pedals and cannot see myself ever going back to click ins. It is so nice to 
> be able to move the foot around and to just hop off the bike and walk 
> normally and not feel weird in public duck walking. Starting up at green 
> lights, all I have to do is just stand on the pedal and go. I don't have to 
> fumble across the intersection anymore to click in. And think of all that 
> cash I save by not having to buy expensive click in shoes and cleats/pedals.
> *10. Kickstands.* Having previously viewed these as bike anchors, I 
> started realizing it just makes things s

Re: [RBW] Favorite Bike Build-up 'Secret'

[Joe Bunik]

1) Tape the bars with brakes locked hard-closed, so that underlying
cable routing doesn't "squirm about" once you're on the road.

2) Run shift cables (from cockpit controls) X-style below the DT,
whenever possible.
=- Joe Bunik
Walnut Creek, CA

On 11/20/13, Kieran J  wrote:
> We Canucks call this stuff hockey tape. Pretty much found in each and every
>
> hardware and skate shop up here, I suppose that's not surprising..
>
> KJ
>
> On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 9:15:20 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>>  On 11/20/2013 09:04 AM, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>>
>
>
>>  *Friction tape* is a type of adhesive
>> tapemade from
>> cloth  impregnated with a
>> rubber-based adhesive , and
>> sometimes an abrasive substance,
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike overnight near Ventura California

[Curtis McKenzie]

Mike,  the Ojai route sounds great.  Seems as if one could do a loop with
your route.


On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 10:05 PM, Mike Schiller
wrote:

> Curtis, you could ride up to Ojai and over Casitas Pass on the 1st day.
> About 34 miles and includes a nice bike trail in route to Ojai.  You can go
> further up Hwy 150 into Summerland if you want a longer ride and comedown
> the coast into Carpinteria.
> On day two it's an easy ride down the coast ( except a short section on
>  the shoulder of Hwy 101) down Rincon and a bike trail into Ventura.  That
> section will take less than 2 hours.
>
>  ~mike
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 5:15:24 PM UTC-8, Curtis wrote:
>
>> I will be in Ventura next week for about 36 hours. Will be taking the
>> bike with plans to camp somewhere.  Any ideas would be most helpful.
>>  Thanks.
>>
>> Ride safe,
>>
>> Curtis
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Re: [RBW] How are 33 mm tires for fire roads?

[John L]

For argument's sake, couldn't you also put 29x3 tires in a Pugsley? Then 
you'd also have the option for 26x4 (or larger if you use the MWOD crank 
and a Moonlander fork, a la the black ops pug).

On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:53:30 PM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote:
>
> Good question. I haven't been able to test ride an ECR. People who 
> have ridden both say the Krampus is more mountain bike-y, and the ECR 
> is more touring bike-y. And I already have a touring bike. 
>
> I'm not so sure the lower BB is better for what I want. More 
> stability, but more pedal strikes too. The Krampus didn't seem too 
> skittish to me. 
>
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Mike Schiller 
> > wrote: 
> > Anne, why not the ECR?  It's got all the braze-ons for touring and a 
> lower 
> > BB, which will mean more stability and a riding position more like an 
> > Atlantis which has the same BB drop.  The BB drop on the Krampus  (60mm) 
> is 
> > pretty high for a bike with 74 mm wide tires.  I'm seriously looking at 
> an 
> > ECR myself as I think it's more suitable to for backcountry touring. 
> > 
> > ~mike 
> > Carlsbad Ca. 
> > 
> > 
> > On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 9:10:03 AM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote: 
> >> 
> >> Speaking of tire width and what tire is too narrow, I'm kind of 
> >> chicken about traction, and I'm moving in the other direction. As I've 
> >> mentioned in this group before, I'm planning a Great Divide ride in 
> >> 2015. I'm about (I think) to pull the trigger on a Surly Krampus. 
> >> Three inches of tire width! Those Knards stick to anything. I won't be 
> >> underbiking, that's for sure. 
> >> 
> >> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Deacon Patrick  
> wrote: 
> >> > A friend is planning on coming on the flash ride on Pikes Peak and 
> was 
> >> > wondering whether to bring his MTB or road bike (33 mm tires aka 27 x 
> >> > 1.75). 
> >> > I helpfully replied, “What are those? I just ride.” He laughed and 
> >> > replied 
> >> > “No. Seriously. Which one?” 
> >> > 
> >> > I don’t know the condition of the most likely route, but in the past 
> >> > it’s 
> >> > had some wash board and loose-ish gravel but was well packed for most 
> of 
> >> > it 
> >> > with a clean line most of the time. May be some snow on the road come 
> >> > Saturday and it will likely melt somewhere along the way. 
> >> > 
> >> > Can you help me help him? 
> >> > 
> >> > With abandon, 
> >> > Patrick 
> >> > 
> >> > www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
> >> > www.OurHolyConception.org 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike overnight near Ventura California

[Curtis McKenzie]

Mike,  that sounds like a great ride.  I will look into it further.  Thanks


On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 10:05 PM, Mike Schiller
wrote:

> Curtis, you could ride up to Ojai and over Casitas Pass on the 1st day.
> About 34 miles and includes a nice bike trail in route to Ojai.  You can go
> further up Hwy 150 into Summerland if you want a longer ride and comedown
> the coast into Carpinteria.
> On day two it's an easy ride down the coast ( except a short section on
>  the shoulder of Hwy 101) down Rincon and a bike trail into Ventura.  That
> section will take less than 2 hours.
>
>  ~mike
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 5:15:24 PM UTC-8, Curtis wrote:
>
>> I will be in Ventura next week for about 36 hours. Will be taking the
>> bike with plans to camp somewhere.  Any ideas would be most helpful.
>>  Thanks.
>>
>> Ride safe,
>>
>> Curtis
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Re: [RBW] How are 33 mm tires for fire roads?

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

If you're not using racks, then the Krampus will be great. If you think 
racks might be part of the equation, the ECR is SWEET. I have one on order.

On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 11:53:30 AM UTC-6, Anne Paulson wrote:
>
> Good question. I haven't been able to test ride an ECR. People who 
> have ridden both say the Krampus is more mountain bike-y, and the ECR 
> is more touring bike-y. And I already have a touring bike. 
>
> I'm not so sure the lower BB is better for what I want. More 
> stability, but more pedal strikes too. The Krampus didn't seem too 
> skittish to me. 
>
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Mike Schiller 
> > wrote: 
> > Anne, why not the ECR?  It's got all the braze-ons for touring and a 
> lower 
> > BB, which will mean more stability and a riding position more like an 
> > Atlantis which has the same BB drop.  The BB drop on the Krampus  (60mm) 
> is 
> > pretty high for a bike with 74 mm wide tires.  I'm seriously looking at 
> an 
> > ECR myself as I think it's more suitable to for backcountry touring. 
> > 
> > ~mike 
> > Carlsbad Ca. 
> > 
> > 
> > On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 9:10:03 AM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote: 
> >> 
> >> Speaking of tire width and what tire is too narrow, I'm kind of 
> >> chicken about traction, and I'm moving in the other direction. As I've 
> >> mentioned in this group before, I'm planning a Great Divide ride in 
> >> 2015. I'm about (I think) to pull the trigger on a Surly Krampus. 
> >> Three inches of tire width! Those Knards stick to anything. I won't be 
> >> underbiking, that's for sure. 
> >> 
> >> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Deacon Patrick  
> wrote: 
> >> > A friend is planning on coming on the flash ride on Pikes Peak and 
> was 
> >> > wondering whether to bring his MTB or road bike (33 mm tires aka 27 x 
> >> > 1.75). 
> >> > I helpfully replied, “What are those? I just ride.” He laughed and 
> >> > replied 
> >> > “No. Seriously. Which one?” 
> >> > 
> >> > I don’t know the condition of the most likely route, but in the past 
> >> > it’s 
> >> > had some wash board and loose-ish gravel but was well packed for most 
> of 
> >> > it 
> >> > with a clean line most of the time. May be some snow on the road come 
> >> > Saturday and it will likely melt somewhere along the way. 
> >> > 
> >> > Can you help me help him? 
> >> > 
> >> > With abandon, 
> >> > Patrick 
> >> > 
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> >> > www.OurHolyConception.org 
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Re: [RBW] Favorite Bike Build-up 'Secret'

[Kieran J]

We Canucks call this stuff hockey tape. Pretty much found in each and every 
hardware and skate shop up here, I suppose that's not surprising..
 
KJ

On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 9:15:20 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:

>  On 11/20/2013 09:04 AM, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
 

>  *Friction tape* is a type of adhesive 
> tapemade from 
> cloth  impregnated with a 
> rubber-based adhesive , and 
> sometimes an abrasive substance, 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Which RBW Velosophies have worked for you? Which haven't?

[Joe Bunik]

On 11/20/13, Mike  wrote:
> Bigger tires, platform pedals, racks, saddle bags, higher bars, bike
> camping and the overall idea of a country bike.
>
> --mike
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[RBW] Re: Which RBW Velosophies have worked for you? Which haven't?

[Mike]

Bigger tires, platform pedals, racks, saddle bags, higher bars, bike 
camping and the overall idea of a country bike. 

--mike

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[RBW] Re: Which RBW Velosophies have worked for you? Which haven't?

[Ryan]

Great question
 
 
Yes
Consistent adherence to versatility,durability  and quality. Beautifully 
crafted,rugged frames that ride wonderfully and have a classic appeal
Wider tires are really good
Fenders. They make riding in rain so much better. Everyone should have at 
least 1 fendered bike
Moustache and Noodle bars
NITTO
Non-racer philosophy
Twining
Beeswax
Really intelligent product selection
Making Mixte and lady's framesgetting more people on bikes
Not so much
Totally retention-free pedals. In the early 90's I went clipless for a 
while.  In 1999 I bought 2 pairs of those lovely Sidi touring shoes...and I 
like the MKS track style pedals with toe clips and straps. And there I 
stand.
Kickstands. Maybe more for aesthetic reasons...even when I did loaded 
touring I still managed to find a way to securely prop my bike against 
something
Shellac
650 wheels...is this a solution looking for a problem? Not sure. Anyway , 
650B is sort of difficult to source locally in Winnipeg
Festooning a really , really good-looking bike with bags and baskets...but 
to be fair...I don't do S24s and don't care much for camping anymore. Don't 
sleep well. Also prefer commuting on my less glamorous X0-1 and old 
Peugeot...little less attractive to thieves. And if I did grocery-getting, 
I'd use a less fancy bike
Dual top tubes, although, for the larger sizes and Rivendell's emphasis on 
practicality and durability, I understand why they did this.
 
All in all, I love the company, love my Rivs, and enjoy the discussion on 
this group and internet-bob
 
Cheers...Ryan in Winnipeg
On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 11:05:09 PM UTC-6, Michael wrote: 

>  Thought hearing from you all would make an interesting thread.
> I have been enjoying my Sam for a long time now.
> I call these RBW ideas because that is where I first heard about them 
> (thought I know they have been around for years, just not embraced so much 
> these days). I was an alu/composite race bike kinda rider until I started 
> to fear carbon failures and wanted to look into an all metal bike.
>  
> I'll start:
>  
> *RBW ideas that worked for me:*
> *1. Wider tires.* This has made a huge diff for my quality of riding. I 
> used to own a typical race bike with 700 x 25, 120psi tires.
> It was great to ride, but hard to handle as it banged and bounced and 
> tires got yanked around on gravelly, busted up shoulders. Not to mention 
> the fear of getting the narrow tires caught in longitudinal road cracks.
> Got my Rivendell bikes and have used 32mm-40mm ~55psi tires on them and 
> what a difference.
> No more bike bouncing. Slight rumbling and I am through the rough road 
> parts. Tires stay on their straight course through the bad patches and I 
> feel so much safer. Cush to boot. Very stable handling.
> I cannot see myself ever going back to anything narrower than 32mm wide 
> tires. They seem dangerous to me now.
> *2. Fenders.* I never woulda dreamed of putting these on a bike in the 
> past. But now I don't see riding without them making any sense to me. It is 
> just good to be prepared and not have to worry about grunging up the bike 
> with the street scum. They look great to boot, and are standard equipment 
> on my bikes. I love the ultra coverage of the longboards.
> *3. Leather saddles.* No more butt pain. yay! What a smooth surface to 
> sit on. I did have a little break in for a coupla weeks, but another dab o' 
> proofhide broke her in and now its great.
> *4. Steel bike/lugs/cream headtubes/metal head badges.* Such a stable 
> ride, beautiful to look at, and no worries about "did I tension that bolt 
> 1nM too far?". Feels good to not have to wonder about failures. The lugs 
> and paint jobs are intoxicating.
> *5. Smaller chainrings/bigger cassettes/Triples.* Healthiest pedaling I 
> have ever felt in my legs. The Sugino toothcounts work great for my neck of 
> the woods. I would never want to go back to 39-52 or 30-40-54 cranks again. 
> And, I have discovered that compact cranksets aren't for me. I love triples.
> *6. Big Saddle bags.* I love that I can carry lunch, repair 
> kits/tools and a jacket in my Carradice, etc. So convenient. No more 
> wondering how will I fit everything into my small nylon wedge.
> *7. Cotton tape/twine and shellac.* I balked at the idea as just taking 
> things too far. But when my Sam arrived with it, it just looked so 
> beautiful and natural and much better than electrical tape. Its fun to do, 
> too!
> *8. Bar end shifters.* At first I thought that it was ridiculous not to 
> have the convenience of brifters on a bike. But when I got my first Rivbike 
> with bar ends, it was love at first shift. Just makes it so much more fun 
> to play with those things than brifting. I think it also encourages your 
> hands to move around more on the bars and I think that helps keep the 
> numbness at bay. A quiet friction shift is a very satisfying sensation. And 
> trimming is fun, too.
> *9. Platform pedals/ditching the click-ins.

Re: [RBW] FS: Riv related stuff. Freewheels 6,7 speed Suntour, Merino socs,Phil Wood, Thomson, Schwalbe, Specialized shoes etc.

[jimmy johnsen]

OK for the fender nuts. Paypal please



On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 10:44 AM, Jim Bronson  
wrote:
  
I'll take the Sheldon fender nuts. 
On Nov 20, 2013 9:04 AM, "hobie"  wrote:

All prices include shipping. Have a Happy Thanksgiving
>
>2- vintage freewheels 1-Shimano SIS 6 speed MF-Z012 14,16,18,21,24,28  1- 
>Suntour 7 speed 13,15,17,20,23,26,30 Both in good condition. $30.00 shipped 
>for both 
>
>4- Schwalbe tubes 3- #18 extralight, 1- #17 $17.00
>
>1- Thomson Elite 27.2setback seatpost black 330mm long. Some scuffs, scratches 
>nothing serious. $60.00
>
>1- Jeff Jones designed Titec J-Bar handlebar 31.8 clamp black. If you like 
>Bullmoose bars you'll love these if your stem can take them. No longer made. 
>Super comfortable w. Titec Blunt grips. Use 3M adhesive to secure to bars. I 
>love these bars!!! A lot of SS riders use them. You could mount thumb shifters 
>also at front. $60.00   
>
>2- Pairs of vintage Specialized shoes early to mid 90's? size 46 and 44. Brown 
>suede w. green mesh vents. I used these w. toe clips and sealed the SPD holes 
>w. Shoe goo to keep out cold in winter. One toe on the sole of the 44 has been 
>shoe gooed as it was coming up. One toe on the 46 needs to be shoe gooed! Goo 
>is strong!! Very comfortable walking and riding shoes. The 46 I used in winter 
>w. very thick wool socks. I'm usually a 10-10.5 and the 44 fits perfectly. 
>Both pairs for $25.00 
>
>5 pairs of Merino wool socks 1- pair Icebreaker ankle socks greyish color 
>kinda heavy  1- pair Icebreaker ankle  socks Black w. grey accents red trim, 
>1- pair 6" Icebreaker green socks w. white stripes going down ankle. 1- pair 
>of Merino wool green socks maker unknown 1- pair of Patagonia 5" green wool 
>socks. $16.00 
>
>1- Phil Wood outboard bottom bracket. 68/73 English Like new. I installed it 
>and then took off and boxed it up. So new condition in box. $80.00 Wonderful 
>piece!
>
>1- drive side Aluminum Phil Wood retaining ring. $5.00 
>
>Shimano cleats w. base plates SM-SH51 used 5 times  $8.00 pair
>
>1- pair of Sheldon fender nuts. $7.00
>
>1- pair of SR quill vintage pedals SP100BL w. double steel medium toe clips w. 
>leather covering on clips. Both made in Japan. $20.00 
>
>Thanks for looking.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Favorite Bike Build-up 'Secret'

[Patrick Moore]

I'll have to remember that. Me, I use a Park cutter and grind smooth with a
bench grinder, but if the "wire inside" method prevents sharp edges, that
would be a lot quicker.

One more little tip: per Rivendell's suggestion: a small artist's
paintbrush poked through a small hole in a tub of cheap grease makes it
easy to apply the stuff to bolts and (as I did just the other day) to the
bone dry headset bearings of a cheap, POS (tech term) made in China Diamond
Back mtb.


On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Lee Chae  wrote:

> Hey David, better yet, cut the housing with a piece of old wire in it.
>
> Best,
> Lee
>
> On Nov 20, 2013, at 7:26 AM, David Yu Greenblatt <
> david.yu.greenbl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> When installing new cable housing, cut with a Dremel tool cutting wheel
> and open up the ends with a home-made pokey-spoke (
> *http://tinyurl.com/lh5bxdy* ).
>
>
>  - David G in San Diego
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 6:04 AM, Tony DeFilippo  wrote:
>
>> Whether it's an application of beeswax, a dab of a specific grease,
>> quirky cable routing... What is your own favorite tip or trick when
>> building up a new bike out replacing components...?
>>
>> I'm pretty new to the game but I notice small mentions in some if the riv
>> products of arcane or fancy installs, and I've seen all manner of custom
>> work at my local co-op.  I recently had the pleasure of visiting Rob at
>> Ocean Air Cycles and was impressed at the attention to detail in his builds
>> and the small bits and pieces adapted to make fenders and lights melt into
>> the frame.
>>
>> I'll start, not that it's much of a secret but I've come to really like
>> starting my handlebar wrap with a layer of recycled inner tube... Cheap and
>> available, more cush than cork under cotton.  You can also run with it
>> without cotton on top as you are trying out different brake/shifter
>> configurations or bar height.  It's really easy to work with and you can
>> even cut it in half canoe style to reduce the'thickness' in some areas or
>> add thickness in other places.
>>
>> What do you have!?!
>> Tony
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Re: [RBW] Favorite Bike Build-up 'Secret'

[Lee Chae]

Hey David, better yet, cut the housing with a piece of old wire in it. 

Best,
Lee

> On Nov 20, 2013, at 7:26 AM, David Yu Greenblatt 
>  wrote:
> 
> When installing new cable housing, cut with a Dremel tool cutting wheel and 
> open up the ends with a home-made pokey-spoke (http://tinyurl.com/lh5bxdy). 
> 
> - David G in San Diego 
>  
>  
>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 6:04 AM, Tony DeFilippo  wrote:
>> Whether it's an application of beeswax, a dab of a specific grease, quirky 
>> cable routing... What is your own favorite tip or trick when building up a 
>> new bike out replacing components...?
>> 
>> I'm pretty new to the game but I notice small mentions in some if the riv 
>> products of arcane or fancy installs, and I've seen all manner of custom 
>> work at my local co-op.  I recently had the pleasure of visiting Rob at 
>> Ocean Air Cycles and was impressed at the attention to detail in his builds 
>> and the small bits and pieces adapted to make fenders and lights melt into 
>> the frame.
>> 
>> I'll start, not that it's much of a secret but I've come to really like 
>> starting my handlebar wrap with a layer of recycled inner tube... Cheap and 
>> available, more cush than cork under cotton.  You can also run with it 
>> without cotton on top as you are trying out different brake/shifter 
>> configurations or bar height.  It's really easy to work with and you can 
>> even cut it in half canoe style to reduce the'thickness' in some areas or 
>> add thickness in other places.
>> 
>> What do you have!?!
>> Tony
>> 
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Re: [RBW] FS: Riv related stuff. Freewheels 6,7 speed Suntour, Merino socs,Phil Wood, Thomson, Schwalbe, Specialized shoes etc.

[Jim Bronson]

I'll take the Sheldon fender nuts.
On Nov 20, 2013 9:04 AM, "hobie"  wrote:

> All prices include shipping. Have a Happy Thanksgiving
>
> 2- vintage freewheels 1-Shimano SIS 6 speed MF-Z012 14,16,18,21,24,28  1-
> Suntour 7 speed 13,15,17,20,23,26,30 Both in good condition. $30.00 shipped
> for both
>
> 4- Schwalbe tubes 3- #18 extralight, 1- #17 $17.00
>
> 1- Thomson Elite 27.2setback seatpost black 330mm long. Some scuffs,
> scratches nothing serious. $60.00
>
> 1- Jeff Jones designed Titec J-Bar handlebar 31.8 clamp black. If you like
> Bullmoose bars you'll love these if your stem can take them. No longer
> made. Super comfortable w. Titec Blunt grips. Use 3M adhesive to secure to
> bars. I love these bars!!! A lot of SS riders use them. You could mount
> thumb shifters also at front. $60.00
>
> 2- Pairs of vintage Specialized shoes early to mid 90's? size 46 and 44.
> Brown suede w. green mesh vents. I used these w. toe clips and sealed the
> SPD holes w. Shoe goo to keep out cold in winter. One toe on the sole of
> the 44 has been shoe gooed as it was coming up. One toe on the 46 needs to
> be shoe gooed! Goo is strong!! Very comfortable walking and riding shoes.
> The 46 I used in winter w. very thick wool socks. I'm usually a 10-10.5 and
> the 44 fits perfectly. Both pairs for $25.00
>
> 5 pairs of Merino wool socks 1- pair Icebreaker ankle socks greyish color
> kinda heavy  1- pair Icebreaker ankle  socks Black w. grey accents red
> trim, 1- pair 6" Icebreaker green socks w. white stripes going down ankle.
> 1- pair of Merino wool green socks maker unknown 1- pair of Patagonia 5"
> green wool socks. $16.00
>
> 1- Phil Wood outboard bottom bracket. 68/73 English Like new. I installed
> it and then took off and boxed it up. So new condition in box. $80.00
> Wonderful piece!
>
> 1- drive side Aluminum Phil Wood retaining ring. $5.00
>
> Shimano cleats w. base plates SM-SH51 used 5 times  $8.00 pair
>
> 1- pair of Sheldon fender nuts. $7.00
>
> 1- pair of SR quill vintage pedals SP100BL w. double steel medium toe
> clips w. leather covering on clips. Both made in Japan. $20.00
>
> Thanks for looking.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Favorite Bike Build-up 'Secret'

[Peter Morgano]

Have a tackle box marked BIKE TOOLS so prying hands know to go somewhere
else for around the house tools.
On Nov 20, 2013 10:26 AM, "David Yu Greenblatt" <
david.yu.greenbl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> When installing new cable housing, cut with a Dremel tool cutting wheel
> and open up the ends with a home-made pokey-spoke (
> *http://tinyurl.com/lh5bxdy* ).
>
>
>  - David G in San Diego
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 6:04 AM, Tony DeFilippo  wrote:
>
>> Whether it's an application of beeswax, a dab of a specific grease,
>> quirky cable routing... What is your own favorite tip or trick when
>> building up a new bike out replacing components...?
>>
>> I'm pretty new to the game but I notice small mentions in some if the riv
>> products of arcane or fancy installs, and I've seen all manner of custom
>> work at my local co-op.  I recently had the pleasure of visiting Rob at
>> Ocean Air Cycles and was impressed at the attention to detail in his builds
>> and the small bits and pieces adapted to make fenders and lights melt into
>> the frame.
>>
>> I'll start, not that it's much of a secret but I've come to really like
>> starting my handlebar wrap with a layer of recycled inner tube... Cheap and
>> available, more cush than cork under cotton.  You can also run with it
>> without cotton on top as you are trying out different brake/shifter
>> configurations or bar height.  It's really easy to work with and you can
>> even cut it in half canoe style to reduce the'thickness' in some areas or
>> add thickness in other places.
>>
>> What do you have!?!
>> Tony
>>
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Re: [RBW] Favorite Bike Build-up 'Secret'

[David Yu Greenblatt]

When installing new cable housing, cut with a Dremel tool cutting wheel and
open up the ends with a home-made pokey-spoke
(*http://tinyurl.com/lh5bxdy*).



 - David G in San Diego


On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 6:04 AM, Tony DeFilippo  wrote:

> Whether it's an application of beeswax, a dab of a specific grease, quirky
> cable routing... What is your own favorite tip or trick when building up a
> new bike out replacing components...?
>
> I'm pretty new to the game but I notice small mentions in some if the riv
> products of arcane or fancy installs, and I've seen all manner of custom
> work at my local co-op.  I recently had the pleasure of visiting Rob at
> Ocean Air Cycles and was impressed at the attention to detail in his builds
> and the small bits and pieces adapted to make fenders and lights melt into
> the frame.
>
> I'll start, not that it's much of a secret but I've come to really like
> starting my handlebar wrap with a layer of recycled inner tube... Cheap and
> available, more cush than cork under cotton.  You can also run with it
> without cotton on top as you are trying out different brake/shifter
> configurations or bar height.  It's really easy to work with and you can
> even cut it in half canoe style to reduce the'thickness' in some areas or
> add thickness in other places.
>
> What do you have!?!
> Tony
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Favorite Bike Build-up 'Secret'

[islaysteve]

Great tips, guys!  Steve, thanks for the memories of friction tape.  Remember 
seeing the blue sparks when you peel it from the roll in the dark?  Patrick, 
wholeheartedly agree with all of you points, especially the stand!

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Re: [RBW] FS: Riv related stuff. Freewheels 6,7 speed Suntour, Merino socs,Phil Wood, Thomson, Schwalbe, Specialized shoes etc.

[Patrick Moore]

I'll take the socks!


On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 8:04 AM, hobie  wrote:

> All prices include shipping. Have a Happy Thanksgiving
>
> 2- vintage freewheels 1-Shimano SIS 6 speed MF-Z012 14,16,18,21,24,28  1-
> Suntour 7 speed 13,15,17,20,23,26,30 Both in good condition. $30.00 shipped
> for both
>
> 4- Schwalbe tubes 3- #18 extralight, 1- #17 $17.00
>
> 1- Thomson Elite 27.2setback seatpost black 330mm long. Some scuffs,
> scratches nothing serious. $60.00
>
> 1- Jeff Jones designed Titec J-Bar handlebar 31.8 clamp black. If you like
> Bullmoose bars you'll love these if your stem can take them. No longer
> made. Super comfortable w. Titec Blunt grips. Use 3M adhesive to secure to
> bars. I love these bars!!! A lot of SS riders use them. You could mount
> thumb shifters also at front. $60.00
>
> 2- Pairs of vintage Specialized shoes early to mid 90's? size 46 and 44.
> Brown suede w. green mesh vents. I used these w. toe clips and sealed the
> SPD holes w. Shoe goo to keep out cold in winter. One toe on the sole of
> the 44 has been shoe gooed as it was coming up. One toe on the 46 needs to
> be shoe gooed! Goo is strong!! Very comfortable walking and riding shoes.
> The 46 I used in winter w. very thick wool socks. I'm usually a 10-10.5 and
> the 44 fits perfectly. Both pairs for $25.00
>
> 5 pairs of Merino wool socks 1- pair Icebreaker ankle socks greyish color
> kinda heavy  1- pair Icebreaker ankle  socks Black w. grey accents red
> trim, 1- pair 6" Icebreaker green socks w. white stripes going down ankle.
> 1- pair of Merino wool green socks maker unknown 1- pair of Patagonia 5"
> green wool socks. $16.00
>
> 1- Phil Wood outboard bottom bracket. 68/73 English Like new. I installed
> it and then took off and boxed it up. So new condition in box. $80.00
> Wonderful piece!
>
> 1- drive side Aluminum Phil Wood retaining ring. $5.00
>
> Shimano cleats w. base plates SM-SH51 used 5 times  $8.00 pair
>
> 1- pair of Sheldon fender nuts. $7.00
>
> 1- pair of SR quill vintage pedals SP100BL w. double steel medium toe
> clips w. leather covering on clips. Both made in Japan. $20.00
>
> Thanks for looking.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Shifting

[islaysteve]

Thanks Dave.  That's what I'm thinking too, about the two levers moving in the 
same direction.  I hope to give this a try before Spring.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Favorite Bike Build-up 'Secret'

[Patrick Moore]

Labor $60/hr.
If you watch: $80/hr.
If you give advice: $120/hr.


On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 7:28 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> My secret? Let Rivendell elves use their secrets and stay out their way!
> Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 7:04:07 AM UTC-7, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>>
>> Whether it's an application of beeswax, a dab of a specific grease,
>> quirky cable routing... What is your own favorite tip or trick when
>> building up a new bike out replacing components...?
>>
>> I'm pretty new to the game but I notice small mentions in some if the riv
>> products of arcane or fancy installs, and I've seen all manner of custom
>> work at my local co-op.  I recently had the pleasure of visiting Rob at
>> Ocean Air Cycles and was impressed at the attention to detail in his builds
>> and the small bits and pieces adapted to make fenders and lights melt into
>> the frame.
>>
>> I'll start, not that it's much of a secret but I've come to really like
>> starting my handlebar wrap with a layer of recycled inner tube... Cheap and
>> available, more cush than cork under cotton.  You can also run with it
>> without cotton on top as you are trying out different brake/shifter
>> configurations or bar height.  It's really easy to work with and you can
>> even cut it in half canoe style to reduce the'thickness' in some areas or
>> add thickness in other places.
>>
>> What do you have!?!
>> Tony
>>
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Re: [RBW] Favorite Bike Build-up 'Secret'

[Patrick Moore]

1. Think it through, first. Test it first, before committing, if you can.
If there are instructions, read the instructions. This applies in great
heaping spades to cable housing. (And how do I know that???)

2. Decent tools. I have built complete bikes and hacked drivetrains with
the crudest of tools, as a boy, but it is far, far easier to have box
wrenches instead of vise grips and pipe wrench, chain tool instead of
hammer, nail, and large-ish nut, and a bench vise instead of the hammer
again and a stump. And using nail and hammer on the adjustable cup and
lockring on an old bb assembly may require patience.

3. Keep track of little parts! Oh, my! I now have a series of small, steel
bowls and sardine cans in which to temporarily store those little ball
bearings, shifter tension washers, and chain master links.

4. Have a favorite drink handy and pleasant music on the hi-fi. The last
drowns out the cursing.

5. Don't tape your bar before you've ridden the new bike at least a few
miles. This mistake often goes with cutting cable housing to the wrong
length.

6. Know and acknowledge that not all parts work together on all frames. No,
you cannot get standard reach calipers to work on a 700c wheel jammed into
a rod brake roadster frame. No, an old, worn, coaster brake will not
modulate well with a 50/15 gear. No, you cannot salvage that 125 mm bb
assembly to use with your Grafton crankset, at least if you expect the
chainline to be remotely normal and the front derailleur to work properly.

7. Lastly, a good stand. Hell, even a bad stand. I've torn down and rebuilt
dozens of bikes, they either lying on the floor or leaning against the wall
-- have you tried to adjust the offside lockring on an old, cheap
cup'n'cone bb while propping the bike up with your head?


On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 7:04 AM, Tony DeFilippo  wrote:

> Whether it's an application of beeswax, a dab of a specific grease, quirky
> cable routing... What is your own favorite tip or trick when building up a
> new bike out replacing components...?
>
> I'm pretty new to the game but I notice small mentions in some if the riv
> products of arcane or fancy installs, and I've seen all manner of custom
> work at my local co-op.  I recently had the pleasure of visiting Rob at
> Ocean Air Cycles and was impressed at the attention to detail in his builds
> and the small bits and pieces adapted to make fenders and lights melt into
> the frame.
>
> I'll start, not that it's much of a secret but I've come to really like
> starting my handlebar wrap with a layer of recycled inner tube... Cheap and
> available, more cush than cork under cotton.  You can also run with it
> without cotton on top as you are trying out different brake/shifter
> configurations or bar height.  It's really easy to work with and you can
> even cut it in half canoe style to reduce the'thickness' in some areas or
> add thickness in other places.
>
> What do you have!?!
> Tony
>
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[RBW] FS: Riv related stuff. Freewheels 6,7 speed Suntour, Merino socs,Phil Wood, Thomson, Schwalbe, Specialized shoes etc.

[hobie]

All prices include shipping. Have a Happy Thanksgiving
 
2- vintage freewheels 1-Shimano SIS 6 speed MF-Z012 14,16,18,21,24,28  1- 
Suntour 7 speed 13,15,17,20,23,26,30 Both in good condition. $30.00 shipped 
for both
 
4- Schwalbe tubes 3- #18 extralight, 1- #17 $17.00
 
1- Thomson Elite 27.2setback seatpost black 330mm long. Some scuffs, 
scratches nothing serious. $60.00
 
1- Jeff Jones designed Titec J-Bar handlebar 31.8 clamp black. If you like 
Bullmoose bars you'll love these if your stem can take them. No longer 
made. Super comfortable w. Titec Blunt grips. Use 3M adhesive to secure to 
bars. I love these bars!!! A lot of SS riders use them. You could mount 
thumb shifters also at front. $60.00  
 
2- Pairs of vintage Specialized shoes early to mid 90's? size 46 and 44. 
Brown suede w. green mesh vents. I used these w. toe clips and sealed the 
SPD holes w. Shoe goo to keep out cold in winter. One toe on the sole of 
the 44 has been shoe gooed as it was coming up. One toe on the 46 needs to 
be shoe gooed! Goo is strong!! Very comfortable walking and riding shoes. 
The 46 I used in winter w. very thick wool socks. I'm usually a 10-10.5 and 
the 44 fits perfectly. Both pairs for $25.00
 
5 pairs of Merino wool socks 1- pair Icebreaker ankle socks greyish color 
kinda heavy  1- pair Icebreaker ankle  socks Black w. grey accents red 
trim, 1- pair 6" Icebreaker green socks w. white stripes going down ankle. 
1- pair of Merino wool green socks maker unknown 1- pair of Patagonia 5" 
green wool socks. $16.00
 
1- Phil Wood outboard bottom bracket. 68/73 English Like new. I installed 
it and then took off and boxed it up. So new condition in box. $80.00 
Wonderful piece!
 
1- drive side Aluminum Phil Wood retaining ring. $5.00
 
Shimano cleats w. base plates SM-SH51 used 5 times  $8.00 pair
 
1- pair of Sheldon fender nuts. $7.00
 
1- pair of SR quill vintage pedals SP100BL w. double steel medium toe clips 
w. leather covering on clips. Both made in Japan. $20.00
 
Thanks for looking.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: [RBW] Which RBW Velosophies have worked for you? Which haven't?

[Patrick Moore]

What about that signature Rivendell handling?

I'd also add the fit and feel of 4 of the 5 I've owned. I took the '03 Curt
(559X1.35"/32 mm actual) Kojaks briefly off road on Monday and I was
surprised how nimble it felt negotiating the rocks and how good it felt on
firm dirt (these surfaces turn to deep sand in summer and require much
fatter tires). But I wished then and there that I had a Riv Road that could
take 60 mm tires.

As to the list: I still like my road bars 3 cm below saddle, my clipless
pedals, panniers instead of very large saddlebags, =<32mm for road, =>55 mm
for dirt, no damned zip ties for metal goods, do it right, why not?, bells,
kickstands -- rear mount -- on errand specific bikes only, flat ramps --
too, too many years riding Nitto 185s!, small rings (and close ratio
gearing), wool at any time below 70F, ponchos (the Campmor $30 one is
outstanding value; tho' we get 9" in a good year ...), and plastic saddles
(my Unicanitor-ized -- no padding, just nice, thick leather over the shell
-- original issue Flite is breaking in).

None of the above has changed for years.



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[RBW] Re: FS: Wool Jerseys / Wool Trainer

[Adam DeFayette]

No one has contacted me, so prices are dropping.
 
Let's go with $140 for the trainer, and $75 and $65 for the jersies 
respectively.
 
Take all three for $275, free shipping.
 
contact me off-list at adam.defaye...@gmail.com or adam...@hotmail.com
 
Thanks!

 
On Monday, November 18, 2013 11:04:00 AM UTC-5, Adam DeFayette wrote:

> I have 2 Woolistic Wool jersies for for sale, and 1 Woolistic Wool trainer.
>  
> All are in perfect like-new condition, size medium.
>  
> Links to each, here:
>
> *http://www.vintagevelos.com/en/wool-trainers/28-molteni-winter-trainer.html*
>
> - selling for $150
>  
>
> http://www.vintagevelos.com/en/team-wool-jerseys/11-cinzano-wool-jersey.html 
> - 
> selling for $85
>  
>
> http://www.vintagevelos.com/en/unique-wool-jerseys/38-italian-national-wool-jersey.html
>  - 
> selling for $75
>  
>  
> Add $7.00 for shipping in the CONUS.
>  
> Or, buy all three items for a flat $300 ($10 discount), and I'll waive 
> shipping.
>  
> These are beautiful pieces, I hate to let them go, but my wife and I are 
> expecting a child soon, and I'm trying to raise some money.
>  
>  
> Please contact me at adam...@hotmail.com
>  
> Paypal ONLY, to the above email address.
>  
> Thank you :-)
>  
>  
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: what have you carried on your Rivendell?

[Clayton]

>
> 
> About 110 lbs or more on moving day on my Atlantis. My homemade Panniers 
> had about 50 lbs., basket had 15 lbs. or so and the Bob carried the rest. I 
> regularly load my panniers with 60 lbs. + of groceries. Tubus rack is still 
> solid. My most expensive grocery trip (that all fit on my Atlantis without 
> a trailer) was $223.00. It was overloaded. It was a bit wobbely riding 
> home. Such is life, if you hate cars.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Once you go Riv can you ever go back?

[Mike]

Thank you Patrick. 

This list is a great little community.

--mike

On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 2:53:05 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> If I may, I'll keep your mom in my prayers.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Favorite Bike Build-up 'Secret'

[Deacon Patrick]

My secret? Let Rivendell elves use their secrets and stay out their way! 
Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 7:04:07 AM UTC-7, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> Whether it's an application of beeswax, a dab of a specific grease, quirky 
> cable routing... What is your own favorite tip or trick when building up a 
> new bike out replacing components...?
>
> I'm pretty new to the game but I notice small mentions in some if the riv 
> products of arcane or fancy installs, and I've seen all manner of custom 
> work at my local co-op.  I recently had the pleasure of visiting Rob at 
> Ocean Air Cycles and was impressed at the attention to detail in his builds 
> and the small bits and pieces adapted to make fenders and lights melt into 
> the frame.
>
> I'll start, not that it's much of a secret but I've come to really like 
> starting my handlebar wrap with a layer of recycled inner tube... Cheap and 
> available, more cush than cork under cotton.  You can also run with it 
> without cotton on top as you are trying out different brake/shifter 
> configurations or bar height.  It's really easy to work with and you can 
> even cut it in half canoe style to reduce the'thickness' in some areas or 
> add thickness in other places.
>
> What do you have!?!
> Tony
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Favorite Bike Build-up 'Secret'

[Steve Palincsar]

On 11/20/2013 09:04 AM, Tony DeFilippo wrote:

I'll start, not that it's much of a secret but I've come to really like 
starting my handlebar wrap with a layer of recycled inner tube... Cheap and 
available, more cush than cork under cotton.  You can also run with it without 
cotton on top as you are trying out different brake/shifter configurations or 
bar height.  It's really easy to work with and you can even cut it in half 
canoe style to reduce the'thickness' in some areas or add thickness in other 
places.


My favorite base handlebar wrap layer is friction tape .   Quoting the 
Wikipedia:


   *Friction tape* is a type of adhesive tape
    made from cloth
    impregnated with a rubber-based
   adhesive , and sometimes an
   abrasive substance, mainly used to increase grip or friction.
   Because the adhesive is impregnated in the cloth, friction tape is
   sticky on both sides. The rubber based adhesive makes it an
   electrical insulator
    and provides a
   degree of protection from liquids and corrosion
   . In the past, friction tape
   was widely used by
   electricians,^
   but PVC  electrical tape
    has replaced it in
   most applications today. The frictional properties of the tape come
   from the cloth material which is often made from cotton
   . One common use is to wrap it
   around the blade of a hockey stick
    to improve puck
    control. Another use is
   to wrap it around the handle of a softball or baseball bat to give
   oneself a better grip. It's also useful as a base when wrapping a
   bicycle handlebar 
   with handlebar tape."  -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friction_tape

I thought a definition might be required because so few these days seem 
to know what the stuff is.  It's a challenge finding it in hardware 
stores -- they look at you blankly when you ask for it in most places.  
Wikipedia doesn't mention it, but friction tape has a distinctive, 
unmistakable odor that, for those of us who grew up with the stuff, 
instantly brings back memories of childhood.  We used to not only wrap 
bat handles (in my case, oftgen recycled broom sticks made into 
stickball bats) but also baseballs, once the leather covering had ripped 
off.



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[RBW] Re: Which RBW Velosophies have worked for you? Which haven't?

[Rod Holland]

I'll join the amen chorus for platform pedals (no more low-speed falls at 
the end of a long ride!), wider tires (given Massachusetts roads, every 
ride is mixed-terrain), and fenders (except when I remove them to fit even 
wider tires).

rod

On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 12:05:09 AM UTC-5, Michael wrote:
>
> Thought hearing from you all would make an interesting thread.
> I have been enjoying my Sam for a long time now.
> I call these RBW ideas because that is where I first heard about them 
> (thought I know they have been around for years, just not embraced so much 
> these days). I was an alu/composite race bike kinda rider until I started 
> to fear carbon failures and wanted to look into an all metal bike.
>  
> I'll start:
>  
> *RBW ideas that worked for me:*
> *1. Wider tires.* This has made a huge diff for my quality of riding. I 
> used to own a typical race bike with 700 x 25, 120psi tires.
> It was great to ride, but hard to handle as it banged and bounced and 
> tires got yanked around on gravelly, busted up shoulders. Not to mention 
> the fear of getting the narrow tires caught in longitudinal road cracks.
> Got my Rivendell bikes and have used 32mm-40mm ~55psi tires on them and 
> what a difference.
> No more bike bouncing. Slight rumbling and I am through the rough road 
> parts. Tires stay on their straight course through the bad patches and I 
> feel so much safer. Cush to boot. Very stable handling.
> I cannot see myself ever going back to anything narrower than 32mm wide 
> tires. They seem dangerous to me now.
> *2. Fenders.* I never woulda dreamed of putting these on a bike in the 
> past. But now I don't see riding without them making any sense to me. It is 
> just good to be prepared and not have to worry about grunging up the bike 
> with the street scum. They look great to boot, and are standard equipment 
> on my bikes. I love the ultra coverage of the longboards.
> *3. Leather saddles.* No more butt pain. yay! What a smooth surface to 
> sit on. I did have a little break in for a coupla weeks, but another dab o' 
> proofhide broke her in and now its great.
> *4. Steel bike/lugs/cream headtubes/metal head badges.* Such a stable 
> ride, beautiful to look at, and no worries about "did I tension that bolt 
> 1nM too far?". Feels good to not have to wonder about failures. The lugs 
> and paint jobs are intoxicating.
> *5. Smaller chainrings/bigger cassettes/Triples.* Healthiest pedaling I 
> have ever felt in my legs. The Sugino toothcounts work great for my neck of 
> the woods. I would never want to go back to 39-52 or 30-40-54 cranks again. 
> And, I have discovered that compact cranksets aren't for me. I love triples.
> *6. Big Saddle bags.* I love that I can carry lunch, repair 
> kits/tools and a jacket in my Carradice, etc. So convenient. No more 
> wondering how will I fit everything into my small nylon wedge.
> *7. Cotton tape/twine and shellac.* I balked at the idea as just taking 
> things too far. But when my Sam arrived with it, it just looked so 
> beautiful and natural and much better than electrical tape. Its fun to do, 
> too!
> *8. Bar end shifters.* At first I thought that it was ridiculous not to 
> have the convenience of brifters on a bike. But when I got my first Rivbike 
> with bar ends, it was love at first shift. Just makes it so much more fun 
> to play with those things than brifting. I think it also encourages your 
> hands to move around more on the bars and I think that helps keep the 
> numbness at bay. A quiet friction shift is a very satisfying sensation. And 
> trimming is fun, too.
> *9. Platform pedals/ditching the click-ins.* I started using MKS Touring 
> pedals and cannot see myself ever going back to click ins. It is so nice to 
> be able to move the foot around and to just hop off the bike and walk 
> normally and not feel weird in public duck walking. Starting up at green 
> lights, all I have to do is just stand on the pedal and go. I don't have to 
> fumble across the intersection anymore to click in. And think of all that 
> cash I save by not having to buy expensive click in shoes and cleats/pedals.
> *10. Kickstands.* Having previously viewed these as bike anchors, I 
> started realizing it just makes things sooo much easier when parking 
> the bike in the garage, hopping off the bike for breaks/taking pictures, 
> and they are just fun to install and look at. I love the rat-at-at-at-at 
> sound the Pletscher makes when it is flipped.
> *11. 650b.* At first I thought: "why?..". And then: "Aw, man! 
> Now I am forced into getting these smaller wheels if I want a Rivendell. 
> Why is this guy messing around with these bikes like this?". But the 
> clearance allows me to enjoy the convenience of fenders and safety and cush 
> of wide tires.
> *12. Ponchos.* Air circulates. Less sweating under cover.
> *13. Wool.* In summer, any material will be drenched and sticking to my 
> skin. But come seasons of 75 degrees and le

[RBW] Favorite Bike Build-up 'Secret'

[Tony DeFilippo]

Whether it's an application of beeswax, a dab of a specific grease, quirky 
cable routing... What is your own favorite tip or trick when building up a new 
bike out replacing components...?

I'm pretty new to the game but I notice small mentions in some if the riv 
products of arcane or fancy installs, and I've seen all manner of custom work 
at my local co-op.  I recently had the pleasure of visiting Rob at Ocean Air 
Cycles and was impressed at the attention to detail in his builds and the small 
bits and pieces adapted to make fenders and lights melt into the frame.

I'll start, not that it's much of a secret but I've come to really like 
starting my handlebar wrap with a layer of recycled inner tube... Cheap and 
available, more cush than cork under cotton.  You can also run with it without 
cotton on top as you are trying out different brake/shifter configurations or 
bar height.  It's really easy to work with and you can even cut it in half 
canoe style to reduce the'thickness' in some areas or add thickness in other 
places.

What do you have!?!
Tony

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