[RBW] Current Status

[hsmitham]

Yep the first big storm of 2014 in Southern California...for those of you 
out East jealous of our fair weather, well read about it 
hereand  know that we sometimes have to 
change plans.

~Hugh

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[RBW] Re: FS: Schwalbe Marathon 650b Tires.

[Michael]

PS- the 44's are fantastic.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Schwalbe Marathon 650b Tires.

[Michael]

Thanks.
That's the newest version.

I am looking for the older, narrower 584-42 version.
But I'm sure these will be taken soon. Better start packing them up now.

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[RBW] Re: What does "IRD" and "IGH" mean?

[Michael]

Thanks for the info.
I can think of:
TT
ST
HT
DT
SH
PBH
F/F/HS
BB
CC
AHH
RBW

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[RBW] 62 Rambouilet on ebay

[Philip Williamson]

Making a point of not being the owner of a bike posted in a FS (for sale, not 
full suspension (usually)) link is traditional, going back to the iBOB email 
list and UseNet. I think there are two logical reasons: full disclosure ("this 
isn't a self-serving post designed to promote my sale"), and minimizing 
requests from people for more information you don't have.

Philip
www.biketinker.com

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[RBW] Re: What does "IRD" and "IGH" mean?

[Evan]

IRD = Interloc Racing Design (http://www.interlocracing.com/index.html)

IGH = internal geared hub

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[RBW] Re: What does "IRD" and "IGH" mean?

[IanA]

ERD comes up a lot for wheel builders.  BSD for tires.  

BIKE is another one I've seen - not sure what that one stands for?

On Friday, February 28, 2014 11:04:57 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> IRD is a brand name, short for Interloc Racing Design, I think. IGH is an 
> acronym for "internally geared hub," like a Sturmey Archer (SA) 3 speed hub.
> Are there other cryptic acronyms we use as shorthand around here?
>
> Philip 
> www.biketinker.com
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[RBW] What does "IRD" and "IGH" mean?

[Philip Williamson]

IRD is a brand name, short for Interloc Racing Design, I think. IGH is an 
acronym for "internally geared hub," like a Sturmey Archer (SA) 3 speed hub.
Are there other cryptic acronyms we use as shorthand around here?

Philip 
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[RBW] Re: FS: Schwalbe Marathon 650b Tires.

[David Banzer]

Sidewall reads:
44-584 (26x1-1/2 650x42B)
They measured around 41mm on Synergies. 

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[RBW] Re: Bleriot Frames FS

[Michael]

>
> Here we go:
>

" If the headtube and fork crown seat are not milled correctly, the bearing 
races of your headset will not be perpendicular to the steering axis, and 
your headset will either have play, or will bind, or both. If you have a 
new frame or are overhauling your bike and want your headset to work as 
well as possible, bring me the frame and fork, and I'll machine the 
headtube and fork crown to precise tolerances and properly install your 
headset"

...from his "services" page.

*Does this mean "facing"?, or actual steel shaving?*

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[RBW] What does "IRD" and "IGH" mean?

[Michael]

I see these trebles thrown around a lot in Riv-speak and was wondering what 
they mean.
Are they brand names? Do they mean "Independent -somethingorothers"?

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[RBW] Re: FS: Schwalbe Marathon 650b Tires.

[Michael]

> Does the sidewall say 584-42, or 584-44?
>

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[RBW] 62 Rambouilet on ebay

[Michael]

Dig this, lugged stem and all:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Rambouillet-Toyo-factory-62cm-touring-randonneur-steel-lugged-Nitto-/321335753004?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ad11a792c

Not mine (why do people say that in these posts?).

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[RBW] Re: Evolution of your bike preference?

[grrlyrida]

That looks like my pink Schwinn Junior Miss!! I wish I still had that bike. 
Folks here in Silverlake build them up and ride around town with them. I 
saw one parked at Traders and looked at it with envy.

On Friday, February 28, 2014 6:36:05 PM UTC-8, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> oh, we're going that far back - first bike was a Sears The Rail
>
> 
>
> exactly the same as the purple one in the ad - 5-sp RD, stick shift, 20" 
> front and 24" rear (I wonder if this is why I run a Vittoria Evo front tire 
> and Parigi rear on my go-fast?)
>
>
> On Friday, February 28, 2014 5:50:35 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Age 7-11: Schwinn Stingray, to school a few miles away, but most memories 
>> of "ghost riding" it down the road, over ramps and jumps and over the same 
>> jumps over the ditch in front of our house. 
>> 11-17: Diamond Back mountain bike. Most memorable ride was Fall River 
>> Road in Rockey Mountain national park, where I lost brakes due to mud and 
>> bailed, watching it fly over the edge (payback for ghost riding my previous 
>> bike no doubt). I was bruised up, but the bike was fine except for a 
>> slightly bent front big chain ring. Used a rock to bash it back into place.
>> 17-2002: Cannondale Alum. touring bike. Skinny tires. Racing poser unable 
>> to ride dirt. Toured Europe after high school like a lycra fool. Memories 
>> include a century ride through London after which I was covered in soot 
>> that felt an inch thick and didn't completely come off until we followed 
>> the Seine River into Paris in 100˚F/100% humidity, but replaced it with 
>> dead gnats, so maybe not. Then there was baulking like a chicken in the 
>> middle of the just closed French grocery to ask for where the chicken soup 
>> was, only to be dragged on the hard heels of my cycling cleats (in which I 
>> walked like a chicken) to the eggs. Apparently I looked I'd just laid an 
>> egg. Sardonic grin.
>> 2003-200? Greenspeed recumbent trike until I discovered going barefoot 
>> and running the trails was possible with vertigo and it was so remote and 
>> wonderful I gave the trike to our godson's brother who has multiple 
>> challenges, including walking.
>> 2012-Present: RIvendell Hunqapillar and wondrous trail riding and 
>> bikepacking to places nobody else goes. Glorious solitude! Fat tires are 
>> beautiful, but I suspect I don't want to go fatter because of the bounce, 
>> but I'll try that someday and see how we get along.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Evolution of your bike preference?

[grrlyrida]

My mom told me that when I was 2 we were stationed at Strategic Air Command 
HQ's. She thought I was outside playing with the neighbor kids and then 
went to check on me and I was riding my tricycle along side an Air Police. 
He said I had rode my trike 2 miles to the gate and I didn't know my 
address but knew how to get home. That was the start of my love affair with 
bikes. 

I don't remember my bikes when we were station in Japan, Guam and the 
Philipines because we moved every 2 to 4 years. But when we were stationed 
at Vandenberg AFB, my dad bought me a Schwinn Junior Miss. It was in my 
favorite color--pink and had a white plastic basket with pink and white 
plastic flowers on the front. I loved riding around the base with my 
friends for hours. I rode it to school everyday. I felt so independent. I 
even brought home our first puppy in that basket.

Then my dad retired to Santa Ynez Valley and I still rode my Schwinn to 
elementary school everyday. Since I outgrew my Junior Miss by the 6th 
grade, my dad bought me a purple 10 speed and I hated it. I was confused by 
the brakes and the shifters plus it was a boys bike (straight top tube) and 
I didn't like that I could barely put my feet on the ground. I hated the 
uncomfortable drop handlebars. I tried riding it one time in front of my 
dad and put it away. 

Then junior high and high school came and went and I didn't a bike because 
my dad bought my sister and I a small car to share. In college I had this 
crappy Fiat X19 and it broke down every other week. The last time it 
stopped working I used my part time job money to buy a trek 720 purple 
hybrid. They only had a guys version so I used that to ride around to 3 
summer lifeguarding jobs. I was in the best shape ever. Then I graduated 
and one of my work study supervisors gave me her old car, so I started 
driving again.

In 2006, I notice I had gained 30 lbs. I remembered what great shape I was 
in riding my bike in college, so I bought a trek 2200 woman specific bike, 
in pink, of course. The go fast bike was great climbing, but I couldn't 
ride it when the pavement disappeared, which happens a lot on mountain 
roads in LA. One day I wanted to go to Traders and pick up a few items, but 
it took 30 mins for me to get al kitted up and thats when I decided I 
needed a new bike. I was online and started reading about Betty Foy and in 
2009 I discovered this list.

3 years later, I found an old bridgestone mixte in the back of a car repair 
shop and built it into my grocery getter with bags and basket from Rivbike. 
I also had a dyno wheel built. Then I became head pastry chef and treated 
myself to a Riv custom mixte. I received it last June. If it wasn't for 
discovering Rivendell, I would still be using a messenger bag and getting 
kitted up just to pick up a few groceries. 


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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis w/ some fatties!

[dougP]

"What about the 700c wheel efficiency Vs. the 26"wheel once they're 
rolling?"

This is an interesting question.  Before getting her mini-Lantis, my wife 
rode a 700c wheeled bike.  Coasting downhill, she always drifted behind me 
on my 700c Atlantis.  Her bike would only take 28 mm tires vs the 40ish 
widths I used (usually a pretty hefty touring tire).  On her 26" wheeled 47 
cm Atlantis she coasts as fast as I do downhill.  Does this prove 
anything?  She's got less frontal area than I do.  Her Atlantis is only a 
pound or so different than her old bike.  The old bike has 28 mm Paselas.  
We put 1.25" Panaracer Urban Max tires on her Atlantis when we got it, and 
it now has a 1.25" Pasela on the front and a 1.5" Compass on the back.  No 
difference in coasting.  

Based on observation & experience, I couldn't suggest that there's any 
significant difference between 700 & 26 for touring or general purpose 
riding.  Maybe at the margins of racing, say for acceleration, or MTB 
manuverability, there may be something worth some small percentage 
advantage in one size or the other.  

Maybe that's where the "650B magic" comes in.  When you get your Atlantis 
built up, we'll blind-fold you & have you ride around on each of your bikes 
to see if you can tell the difference in wheel size.  Now that would be fun 
test!

dougP

On Thursday, February 27, 2014 12:52:08 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Doug,
>
> What about the 700c wheel efficiency Vs. the 26"wheel once they're 
> rolling? It's been my understanding one of the reasons many tour bikes are 
> using 26" size wheels is they are easier to get a heavy mass rolling? Seems 
> like that would be true. So as I see it there's always a compromise in 
> choosing a wheel size. The 26" for carrying a load and it's maneuverability 
> off road are positive attributes and since your hauling stuff one would 
> inherently understand you won't be as quick as a race bike. Yet another 
> reason folks are always favoring multiple steeds and the N+1 factor as well.
>
> ~Hugh
>
> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>
> http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 10:36 AM, dougP >wrote:
>
>> "I've read numerous accounts that suggest 700c wheels rollover things 
>> better than 26" wheels..."
>>
>> True but in reality not a huge difference.  A BQ article on tires 
>> contained a graphic comparing the angle of a 700 wheel vs a 26" against a 
>> block maybe 4" tall (?).  The difference in the angle was surprisingly 
>> small & personally I doubt I'd notice the difference.
>>
>> Hugh, I look forward to comparing my 700 wheeled Atlantis to your 26".  
>>
>> dougP
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 4:11:09 PM UTC-8, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:
>>>
>>> Keep in mind that I'm not a mountain biker and other than riding gravel 
>>> roads way back when, all my riding is on pavement.  
>>>
>>> I can't say how much is the fat tires themselves.  The difference 
>>> between my 40mm and my 55mm tires is far larger than the numbers would 
>>> suggest.  I think it's that old volume thingwith the 55mm tires having 
>>> a lot more.  The closest I've come to riding a 700c fatter tire was a short 
>>> test ride on a Surly Karate Monkey and it lacked something that both my old 
>>> 820 and the new Troll I test rode have.  
>>>
>>> I tend to ride like a little kid, meaning I don't ride from point A to 
>>> point B.  My favorite place to ride (when it's not packed with pedestrians) 
>>> is the walking path in our subdivision.  This is a typical sidewalk on 
>>> gently rolling terrain and I don't think there is a true straight stretch 
>>> of sidewalk that is longer than a few yards.  Tons of curves with some 
>>> twists and turns while speeding up and slowing down, according to the path. 
>>>  My experience is that the 26" wheels accelerate faster and are far more 
>>> maneuverable than 700c wheels.  The entry I use to the walkway is a gutter 
>>> that is at a 90 degree angle to the sidewalk with curb on either side so 
>>> there is no room for error when making that turn.  It's a bit scary on 700c 
>>> x 40mm tires but a breeze on 559 x 55mm tires.  I think it boils down to a 
>>> ride that is very nimble and quick while still being very smooth and cushy. 
>>>
>>> I've read numerous accounts that suggest 700c wheels rollover things 
>>> better than 26" wheels and that 700c wheels maintain their momentum better 
>>> and the latter, at least, seems to be true in my experience (I never roll 
>>> over things so no experience with the first).   Riding my 700c bike is fun 
>>> but almost bordering on boring.  Riding a 26" bike is both exhilarating and 
>>> it literally makes me feel like a little kid again.  For me, a long ride is 
>>> 10 miles so the 26" wheels are a no-brainer.  If I was more into traveling 
>>> and riding longer distances, I'd have to do some soul-searching before 
>>> making a firm commitment to o

[RBW] Re: Evolution of your bike preference?

[rob markwardt]

As a kid I went from little red roadster, to Sears Free Spirit stingray, to 
a Huffy ten-speed (all gifts from parents. I'd get the Paramount I really 
wanted later...much later).  In college I had a Schwinn (LeTour?) and a 
Shogun which was the best bike I'd ever had.  Felt fast but in reality it 
was pretty heavy brute.  I later built it up into a fixed-gear and rode it 
for quite a few years.  Next came a Trek Multi trek and another 
Schwinn….then the madness begins!  I signed up for the STP in 2002 and 
started looking for a "good bike". That was when I first discovered 
Rivendell but I ended up with a Bianchi instead.  It was fine but didn't 
have the clearance or the aesthetics of what I was looking for.  Got the 
vintage bike bug (and the Paramount) and became somewhat obsessed…many 
bikes later still working on that affliction.  Got a Bleriot in 2007 and 
it's been my favorite bike since.  I also had a Rambouillet but ended up 
selling it to finance a used custom Riv a few years ago.   I'm pretty happy 
now but still keep looking.  Not much interests me except for certain 
vintage looks …would love an old Frenchie or an early Jack Taylor.  I've 
also had kind of a desire for the whole BQ, custom, Rando/650b thing but 
every time I think about pulling the plug I go for a ride on my Bleriot and 
feel pretty satisfied.  

Some pics of most of the bikes mentioned plus my current vintage 
favorites...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/77502424@N00/sets/72157641680403133/. 

 

Rob Markwardt

On Friday, February 28, 2014 9:13:47 AM UTC-8, jinxed wrote:
>
> Over the last couple weeks I have been fortunate to get out and ride each 
> of the bikes in my stable. This offered some really surprising comparisons 
> and conflicted some of my previous thoughts on each bike. My bikes are USA 
> made and they're all steel, and I'm attached to all of them. They also 
> happen to be different wheel sizes. 26" Riv AR, 650b OAC Rambler, 29" Spot 
> MTB, and 700c Cross/race.
>
> My biking trajectory was BMX - MTB - Cross - Road - and now is some sort 
> of hybrid of all those. I was a staunch opponent of 29er and clung to 26" 
> adamantly until I finally gave up and tried the larger wheel size. I had to 
> eat a lot of crow when I enjoyed it. Since then I've never gone back to 26" 
> off road, but still held on to romantic praise for it.
>
> CX was just a natural offshoot of MTB when trying to ride on the road. 
> Although I raced road bikes, I much preferred riding them in the dirt. My 
> ultimate ride is a fast swoopy twisty turny jaunt through wooded 
> singletrack on a CX bike. It's what my bike dreams are made of.
>
> My first Rivendell was also my first 650b and it felt like a bridge 
> between the MTB and CX. It seemed to be the true all round that perfectly 
> fit the way I wanted to ride, and more importantly where I have the most 
> access to ride. I have several dirt trails I prefer riding on, but I must 
> take pavement to get there. I think the best aspect of the Rivendell line 
> in it's entirety is that they do well in many types of terrain. Obviously 
> age and life circumstances affect how and where I ride, but I find much 
> more enjoyment out of the exploration type of riding I'm doing now. I 
> attribute much of that to this list and the ideals behind the bike designs.
>
> This brings me to my recent riding. If I had ranked my bikes based on 
> mental attachment, it would have been AR, CX, 650b, 29er. But after riding 
> them all back to back I realized my enjoyment of the ride of those bikes is 
> a different sequence: 650b, CX, 29er, AR.
>
> I'm surprised I prefer larger diameter wheels, because I refuse to admit 
> 26" is dead! But if I were to choose, 650 is the smallest platform I'd go 
> to.
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Schwalbe Marathon 650b Tires.

[rcnute]

FWIW these are great tires.  I put them on every winter for daily commuting 
and still going strong 3 years later.

Ryan

On Friday, February 28, 2014 7:55:01 PM UTC-8, David Banzer wrote:
>
> Just picked up a new-to-me 650b wheelset. Already have tires that I like 
> and use. To minimalize parts...
>
> FS: Schwalbe 650b Marathon Tires
> $45 plus actual shipping. 
> Please contact offlist if interested.
> Paypal Personal payment preferred.
>
> Thanks,
> David
> Chicago
>

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[RBW] Re: A lugged steel boomerang? My Hillborne is back!

[dougP]

Bill:

What a story!  I think this bike is your destiny.  I can almost hear the 
cogs clicking into place as it comes together.  

dougP

On Friday, February 28, 2014 2:45:43 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Another tiny 'stars aligning' moment.  You may have noticed the wheelset 
> on the Hillborne has rims with Ceramic sidewalls.  I rolled by CyclePath in 
> Hayward to re-stock straddle cables and took the longshot on their KoolStop 
> board.  Lo and behold, they had two pairs of KoolStop Green (ceramic 
> formula) V-Inserts.  What are the odds of finding those in-stock at a shop? 
>  Pretty long odds.  
>
> Funny side story.  The guy behind the counter has worked there at 
> CyclePath for a long time, certainly multiple years.  When I asked him for 
> straddle cables, he walked in back, and came back out with three different 
> things.  He said "I'm not too familiar with these, are any of these what 
> you need?".  
>
> Am I a retro-grouch just because I use cantilever brakes now?  
> Or am I a retro grouch because I use rim brakes at all?  
>
> I will at least give him credit that one of the three things he brought 
> out was what I needed and all three things vaguely qualified as straddle 
> cables.  
>
> On Friday, February 28, 2014 12:37:10 PM UTC-8, Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>>
>> "I hope it takes you on many wonderful adventures." Indeed.
>> Shoji
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] SoCal February S240 poll.

[cyclotourist]

Yes it will!!!

Cheers,
David

"it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal





On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 6:58 PM, Mike Schiller wrote:

> Ojai has had 3.3 inches of rain so far from this storm.  Probably get
> another few inches until the storm moves eastward.
>
> On a positive note... it will be nice and green in a few weeks!
>
> ~mike
> Carlsbad Ca
>
>
> On Friday, February 28, 2014 6:41:04 PM UTC-8, dougP wrote:
>>
>> Friday mid-day here in OC we had rainfall of biblical proportions.  Good
>> call to cancel for the time being.  The canyons in LA must have been
>> flooded.
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Thursday, February 27, 2014 11:59:05 AM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Guy's,
>>>
>>> Well I think it's about time to call this adventure off officially.
>>> Mother nature has conspired to throw a wrench into our plans...as I type
>>> this the sun is shinning and it's just gorgeous but we all know that can
>>> change on a dime!
>>>
>>> I checked the NOAA site and a Hazardous Weather outlook is still in
>>> effect. For those of you not in our southerly clime we are not faint of
>>> heart, we are though not as prepared to contend with heavy rain, as when it
>>> does rain here it's not a Seattle drizzle it dumps down hard and intense.
>>> Then there's the fact that since we've been in a drought the earth is dry
>>> and will become a muddy mess rapidly.
>>> because our Northern friends have been a bogarting.
>>>
>>> Happy trails to you all.
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
>>>
>>> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
>>> moving." -- Albert Einstein
>>>
>>> http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 7:21 PM, Mike Schiller 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 the train up to Ventura  on 2/28 is 761
 train from Moorpark south is 784 leaves Moorpark at 324 pm

 guess I need to drag out my rain gear.

 We could add some distance Friday if it's muddy on dirt and go up 33
 aways. It's a  nice ride up there.

 ~mike


 On Sunday, February 23, 2014 5:32:11 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:

> Curtis,
>
> What Mike said is correct we will be stopping in Ojai for food ect.
>
> Yes there is rain in the forecast but I'm preparing for rain and will
> ride and camp. If it does rain I think it would be wise to skip the Sulfur
> Mountain section as it'll be muddy. So we'd ride up the bike trail to Ojai
> then swing back down to Lake Casitas and camp. There is always the Ojai
> Rancho Inn if things go really side-ways.
>
> I'm planning on purchasing my Amtrak tickets from Burbank to Ventura
> and then Moorpark to Burbank. Mike what are the train numbers? Especially
> the Moorpark one. I'll buy them on Wednesday or Thursday.
>
> ~Hugh
>
> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
> moving." -- Albert Einstein
>
> http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Mike Schiller <
> mikey...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>
>>  I did't get out on the bike today.
>>
>> I'm sure we will be stopping for liquid refreshment and maybe some
>> food too.
>>
>> ~mike
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, February 23, 2014 4:35:58 PM UTC-8, Curtis wrote:
>>
>>> Mike,
>>>
>>> Were you riding on Manchester today?
>>>
>>> Also, do you think the group will be stopping for some supplies in
>>> Ojai?  I do no want to run afoul of the collective.
>>>
>>> Curtis
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 23, 2014, Mike Schiller 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 we will ride thru Ojai before camping on Friday night.  Plenty of
 food and other items available.

 ~mike

 On Sunday, February 23, 2014 10:45:05 AM UTC-8, Curtis wrote:
>
> 70 percent chance of rain for Friday.
>
> For planning purposes only.  Will we be going near a food store
> later in the day on Friday?  If so I may buy food at that time. If 
> not I
> will bring the needed calories.
>
> Thanks
>
> Curtis
>
> On Tuesday, February 18, 2014, Mike Schiller <
> mikey...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Did I miss an email?  A JTree overnight?   March is filling up
>> fast.
>>
>> I'll be on the same train(s) with Curtis.  I would guess we will
>> be there before 10am after loading up and the long ride under the 
>> freeway
>> to Rob's.
>>
>> ~mike
>>
>>
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[RBW] FS: Schwalbe Marathon 650b Tires.

[David Banzer]

Just picked up a new-to-me 650b wheelset. Already have tires that I like 
and use. To minimalize parts...

FS: Schwalbe 650b Marathon Tires
$45 plus actual shipping. 
Please contact offlist if interested.
Paypal Personal payment preferred.

Thanks,
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[RBW] Re: 9 to 8 speed worth it for better friction shifting?

[dougP]

If Jim says "works, sometimes", my sense is this is not a good idea.  Seems 
like the downside could be spendy.

dougP

On Friday, February 28, 2014 4:41:22 PM UTC-8, Evan Baird wrote:
>
> My buddy Will used to run friction with an Alfine hub on his 650b Vaya. 
> Said it worked ok. Seems sketchy to me though.
>
> On Friday, February 28, 2014 10:07:52 AM UTC-8, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>>
>> Since we're talking friction-shifting, I thought I'd ask again (cuz I do 
>> this periodically): Anyone have any success friction-shifting an 
>> internal-geared hub?  Yes yes, I know about potentially damaging the 
>> internals if you're not quite 'in-gear', but I'd really like to figure out 
>> a way to do this safely.   If you think about it, we get familiar enough 
>> with friction-shifting derailleurs on feel alone, such that we never really 
>> have to look down to know we've shifted into the right gear. Can we not get 
>> the same kind of 'feel' from an IG hub, even if it requires over-shifting, 
>> then settling back squarely onto the cog, so to speak???  
>>
>> There are some IG hubs (like the SRAM/Sachs Spectro and Dual Drive hubs) 
>> that use a 'click box' with a push rod to 'switch' into the next 
>> gear...(which I believe is different from moving the planetary gears 
>> directly via cable movement, but I could be mistaken). The push-rod 
>> mechanism seems almost like it's (in essence) already indexed within the 
>> hub, and the cable movement via the clickbox merely causes the next shift. 
>>  If this is the case, I suppose the between-gear problem could potentially 
>> be a non-issue (than say with other types of IG hubs like the Alfine or 
>> Nexus)... You just move the cable enough to force the next shift, and then 
>> let up slightly??  Any insights from the Engineers/Intellectuals/Crazies in 
>> this group whether this makes any sense?
>>
>> Maybe I should just do like the Mythbusters and go for it, risking life 
>> and limb in the interest of bicycle science...
>>
>> BB
>>
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Friday, February 28, 2014 1:28:05 AM UTC-5, Michael wrote:
>>>
>>> Update:
>>>
>>> I called RBW and they said it would definitely help to go to 8 speed 
>>> cassette over the 9peed.
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bleriot Frames FS

[Peter Morgano]

Someone call grumpy Peter White quick!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Rivendell-Bleriot-650b-Frameset-55cm-Never-Used-Lugged-Steel-nos-touring-/380840496270?pt=US_Bicycles_Frames&hash=item58abdccc8e


On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> My Bleriot had slight bulging of the top-and-downtubes at the headtube
> junction, so I assume Peter White is referencing some deformation in that
> general area on Bleriot frames. Or not.
>
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
>
> On Friday, February 28, 2014 6:33:45 AM UTC-8, Michael wrote:
>
>> Anyone know what this means,  and is it necessary?
>>>
>>
>>
>>> "mill the head tube and
>>> fork crown with the Campagnolo cutters so a headset won't wear out in a
>>> few
>>> months"
>>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] SoCal February S240 poll.

[Mike Schiller]

Ojai has had 3.3 inches of rain so far from this storm.  Probably get 
another few inches until the storm moves eastward. 

On a positive note... it will be nice and green in a few weeks!   

~mike
Carlsbad Ca

On Friday, February 28, 2014 6:41:04 PM UTC-8, dougP wrote:
>
> Friday mid-day here in OC we had rainfall of biblical proportions.  Good 
> call to cancel for the time being.  The canyons in LA must have been 
> flooded.  
>
> dougP
>
> On Thursday, February 27, 2014 11:59:05 AM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> Hey Guy's,
>>
>> Well I think it's about time to call this adventure off officially. 
>> Mother nature has conspired to throw a wrench into our plans...as I type 
>> this the sun is shinning and it's just gorgeous but we all know that can 
>> change on a dime!
>>
>> I checked the NOAA site and a Hazardous Weather outlook is still in 
>> effect. For those of you not in our southerly clime we are not faint of 
>> heart, we are though not as prepared to contend with heavy rain, as when it 
>> does rain here it's not a Seattle drizzle it dumps down hard and intense. 
>> Then there's the fact that since we've been in a drought the earth is dry 
>> and will become a muddy mess rapidly. 
>> because our Northern friends have been a bogarting. 
>>
>> Happy trails to you all.
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
>> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>>
>> http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 7:21 PM, Mike Schiller 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> the train up to Ventura  on 2/28 is 761
>>> train from Moorpark south is 784 leaves Moorpark at 324 pm
>>>
>>> guess I need to drag out my rain gear.
>>>
>>> We could add some distance Friday if it's muddy on dirt and go up 33 
>>> aways. It's a  nice ride up there.
>>>
>>> ~mike
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 23, 2014 5:32:11 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>>>
 Curtis,

 What Mike said is correct we will be stopping in Ojai for food ect.

 Yes there is rain in the forecast but I'm preparing for rain and will 
 ride and camp. If it does rain I think it would be wise to skip the Sulfur 
 Mountain section as it'll be muddy. So we'd ride up the bike trail to Ojai 
 then swing back down to Lake Casitas and camp. There is always the Ojai 
 Rancho Inn if things go really side-ways.

 I'm planning on purchasing my Amtrak tickets from Burbank to Ventura 
 and then Moorpark to Burbank. Mike what are the train numbers? Especially 
 the Moorpark one. I'll buy them on Wednesday or Thursday.

 ~Hugh

 “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
 moving.” ― Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




 On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Mike Schiller >>> > wrote:

>  I did't get out on the bike today.   
>
> I'm sure we will be stopping for liquid refreshment and maybe some 
> food too.
>
> ~mike
>
>
> On Sunday, February 23, 2014 4:35:58 PM UTC-8, Curtis wrote:
>
>> Mike,
>>
>> Were you riding on Manchester today?
>>
>> Also, do you think the group will be stopping for some supplies in 
>> Ojai?  I do no want to run afoul of the collective.
>>
>> Curtis
>>
>> On Sunday, February 23, 2014, Mike Schiller  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> we will ride thru Ojai before camping on Friday night.  Plenty of 
>>> food and other items available.
>>>
>>> ~mike
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 23, 2014 10:45:05 AM UTC-8, Curtis wrote:

 70 percent chance of rain for Friday.

 For planning purposes only.  Will we be going near a food store 
 later in the day on Friday?  If so I may buy food at that time. If not 
 I 
 will bring the needed calories. 

 Thanks 

 Curtis

 On Tuesday, February 18, 2014, Mike Schiller <
 mikey...@rocketmail.com> wrote:

> Did I miss an email?  A JTree overnight?   March is filling up 
> fast.
>
> I'll be on the same train(s) with Curtis.  I would guess we will 
> be there before 10am after loading up and the long ride under the 
> freeway 
> to Rob's.  
>
> ~mike
>
>
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[RBW] Re: New Rear Racks

[dougP]

Woo Hoo!  New & improved.  I've got both a Nitto & a Tubus with the lower 
pannier rails and that is a significant improvement, at least for those of 
us who like to overload racks.  If you've ever gotten crazy trying to load 
or unload a rack with panniers & something on the platform, and felt like 
your were doing a Rubik's Cube puzzle, this is your solution.  

dougP

On Friday, February 28, 2014 9:32:29 AM UTC-8, Brian Campbell wrote:
>
> are in stock...
>  
> http://www.rivbike.com/category-s/147.htm
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Evolution of your bike preference?

[Peter Morgano]

My Murray BMX got me everywhere as a kid. My brother had a matching one and
we had great adventures. We then went to mtbs. But as cars and girls took
over bikes took a backseat. In my late 20s got back into cycling, had many
a vintage bike trying to get that just right feel. A buddy of mine at work
would send blug posts saying they had changed his whole way of riding. Took
the plunge, took a few different models to get it right but life after
Rivendell is like seeing the light!
On Feb 28, 2014 9:36 PM, "Ron Mc"  wrote:

> oh, we're going that far back - first bike was a Sears The Rail
>
> 
>
> exactly the same as the purple one in the ad - 5-sp RD, stick shift, 20"
> front and 24" rear (I wonder if this is why I run a Vittoria Evo front tire
> and Parigi rear on my go-fast?)
>
>
> On Friday, February 28, 2014 5:50:35 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Age 7-11: Schwinn Stingray, to school a few miles away, but most memories
>> of "ghost riding" it down the road, over ramps and jumps and over the same
>> jumps over the ditch in front of our house.
>> 11-17: Diamond Back mountain bike. Most memorable ride was Fall River
>> Road in Rockey Mountain national park, where I lost brakes due to mud and
>> bailed, watching it fly over the edge (payback for ghost riding my previous
>> bike no doubt). I was bruised up, but the bike was fine except for a
>> slightly bent front big chain ring. Used a rock to bash it back into place.
>> 17-2002: Cannondale Alum. touring bike. Skinny tires. Racing poser unable
>> to ride dirt. Toured Europe after high school like a lycra fool. Memories
>> include a century ride through London after which I was covered in soot
>> that felt an inch thick and didn't completely come off until we followed
>> the Seine River into Paris in 100˚F/100% humidity, but replaced it with
>> dead gnats, so maybe not. Then there was baulking like a chicken in the
>> middle of the just closed French grocery to ask for where the chicken soup
>> was, only to be dragged on the hard heels of my cycling cleats (in which I
>> walked like a chicken) to the eggs. Apparently I looked I'd just laid an
>> egg. Sardonic grin.
>> 2003-200? Greenspeed recumbent trike until I discovered going barefoot
>> and running the trails was possible with vertigo and it was so remote and
>> wonderful I gave the trike to our godson's brother who has multiple
>> challenges, including walking.
>> 2012-Present: RIvendell Hunqapillar and wondrous trail riding and
>> bikepacking to places nobody else goes. Glorious solitude! Fat tires are
>> beautiful, but I suspect I don't want to go fatter because of the bounce,
>> but I'll try that someday and see how we get along.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
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Re: [RBW] SoCal February S240 poll.

[dougP]

Friday mid-day here in OC we had rainfall of biblical proportions.  Good 
call to cancel for the time being.  The canyons in LA must have been 
flooded.  

dougP

On Thursday, February 27, 2014 11:59:05 AM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Hey Guy's,
>
> Well I think it's about time to call this adventure off officially. Mother 
> nature has conspired to throw a wrench into our plans...as I type this the 
> sun is shinning and it's just gorgeous but we all know that can change on a 
> dime!
>
> I checked the NOAA site and a Hazardous Weather outlook is still in 
> effect. For those of you not in our southerly clime we are not faint of 
> heart, we are though not as prepared to contend with heavy rain, as when it 
> does rain here it's not a Seattle drizzle it dumps down hard and intense. 
> Then there's the fact that since we've been in a drought the earth is dry 
> and will become a muddy mess rapidly. 
> because our Northern friends have been a bogarting. 
>
> Happy trails to you all.
>
> ~Hugh
>
> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>
> http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 7:21 PM, Mike Schiller 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> the train up to Ventura  on 2/28 is 761
>> train from Moorpark south is 784 leaves Moorpark at 324 pm
>>
>> guess I need to drag out my rain gear.
>>
>> We could add some distance Friday if it's muddy on dirt and go up 33 
>> aways. It's a  nice ride up there.
>>
>> ~mike
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, February 23, 2014 5:32:11 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>>> Curtis,
>>>
>>> What Mike said is correct we will be stopping in Ojai for food ect.
>>>
>>> Yes there is rain in the forecast but I'm preparing for rain and will 
>>> ride and camp. If it does rain I think it would be wise to skip the Sulfur 
>>> Mountain section as it'll be muddy. So we'd ride up the bike trail to Ojai 
>>> then swing back down to Lake Casitas and camp. There is always the Ojai 
>>> Rancho Inn if things go really side-ways.
>>>
>>> I'm planning on purchasing my Amtrak tickets from Burbank to Ventura and 
>>> then Moorpark to Burbank. Mike what are the train numbers? Especially the 
>>> Moorpark one. I'll buy them on Wednesday or Thursday.
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
>>>
>>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
>>> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>>>
>>> http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Mike Schiller 
>>> wrote:
>>>
  I did't get out on the bike today.   

 I'm sure we will be stopping for liquid refreshment and maybe some food 
 too.

 ~mike


 On Sunday, February 23, 2014 4:35:58 PM UTC-8, Curtis wrote:

> Mike,
>
> Were you riding on Manchester today?
>
> Also, do you think the group will be stopping for some supplies in 
> Ojai?  I do no want to run afoul of the collective.
>
> Curtis
>
> On Sunday, February 23, 2014, Mike Schiller  
> wrote:
>
>> we will ride thru Ojai before camping on Friday night.  Plenty of 
>> food and other items available.
>>
>> ~mike
>>
>> On Sunday, February 23, 2014 10:45:05 AM UTC-8, Curtis wrote:
>>>
>>> 70 percent chance of rain for Friday.
>>>
>>> For planning purposes only.  Will we be going near a food store 
>>> later in the day on Friday?  If so I may buy food at that time. If not 
>>> I 
>>> will bring the needed calories. 
>>>
>>> Thanks 
>>>
>>> Curtis
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 18, 2014, Mike Schiller <
>>> mikey...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Did I miss an email?  A JTree overnight?   March is filling up fast.

 I'll be on the same train(s) with Curtis.  I would guess we will be 
 there before 10am after loading up and the long ride under the freeway 
 to 
 Rob's.  

 ~mike


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[RBW] Re: Evolution of your bike preference?

[Ron Mc]

oh, we're going that far back - first bike was a Sears The Rail



exactly the same as the purple one in the ad - 5-sp RD, stick shift, 20" 
front and 24" rear (I wonder if this is why I run a Vittoria Evo front tire 
and Parigi rear on my go-fast?)


On Friday, February 28, 2014 5:50:35 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Age 7-11: Schwinn Stingray, to school a few miles away, but most memories 
> of "ghost riding" it down the road, over ramps and jumps and over the same 
> jumps over the ditch in front of our house. 
> 11-17: Diamond Back mountain bike. Most memorable ride was Fall River Road 
> in Rockey Mountain national park, where I lost brakes due to mud and 
> bailed, watching it fly over the edge (payback for ghost riding my previous 
> bike no doubt). I was bruised up, but the bike was fine except for a 
> slightly bent front big chain ring. Used a rock to bash it back into place.
> 17-2002: Cannondale Alum. touring bike. Skinny tires. Racing poser unable 
> to ride dirt. Toured Europe after high school like a lycra fool. Memories 
> include a century ride through London after which I was covered in soot 
> that felt an inch thick and didn't completely come off until we followed 
> the Seine River into Paris in 100˚F/100% humidity, but replaced it with 
> dead gnats, so maybe not. Then there was baulking like a chicken in the 
> middle of the just closed French grocery to ask for where the chicken soup 
> was, only to be dragged on the hard heels of my cycling cleats (in which I 
> walked like a chicken) to the eggs. Apparently I looked I'd just laid an 
> egg. Sardonic grin.
> 2003-200? Greenspeed recumbent trike until I discovered going barefoot and 
> running the trails was possible with vertigo and it was so remote and 
> wonderful I gave the trike to our godson's brother who has multiple 
> challenges, including walking.
> 2012-Present: RIvendell Hunqapillar and wondrous trail riding and 
> bikepacking to places nobody else goes. Glorious solitude! Fat tires are 
> beautiful, but I suspect I don't want to go fatter because of the bounce, 
> but I'll try that someday and see how we get along.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Albion Privateer - not the best face yet, but getting there

[dougP]

Get a pair of Soma C Line 38 mm tires on there & it'll get even better.  I 
saw the (for now) disclaimer after the 25 mm tires, so I assume chubby 
tires are part of the plan.  What about rackage & luggage?  

dougP

On Friday, February 28, 2014 4:53:32 PM UTC-8, eflayer wrote:
>
> Rode the Privateer about 20 miles today. It seems similar or better in 
> terms of overall riding experience to my Rambouillets, Bleriots, and Gunnar 
> Sport. I'd bet if you could ride it blindfolded and the others too, you'd 
> be hard pressed to pick a winner. Now I know about lugs and aesthetics and 
> their value and their cost. This one, in my opinion, spells big big bang 
> for the bucks. It looks good too.
> On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 12:26:46 PM UTC-8, eflayer wrote:
>>
>> Came out of the carton looking good. Built up well. Post modern combo of 
>> parts. It is raining today, but I got in a short ride. While this thing 
>> weighs about the same at 25 lbs as the Cannondale I discussed a few weeks 
>> ago, it rides like sveltish upright cruiser. I am pleasantly surprised by 
>> the nice steel springiness.
>> Albatross
>> Thomson X4 stem
>> Tiagra Hollowtech triple crank
>> 11-34 XT 9 cassette
>> 28 hole, Ultegra Open Pro
>> 700 x 25 tires (for now)
>> VO post
>> B17 saddle
>> Tektro 720 cantis
>> Bacchetta brake levers left over from bent days
>> Shimano 9 speed barcons
>> Wellgo dual purpose pedals
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Albion Privateer - not the best face yet, but getting there

[eflayer]

Rode the Privateer about 20 miles today. It seems similar or better in 
terms of overall riding experience to my Rambouillets, Bleriots, and Gunnar 
Sport. I'd bet if you could ride it blindfolded and the others too, you'd 
be hard pressed to pick a winner. Now I know about lugs and aesthetics and 
their value and their cost. This one, in my opinion, spells big big bang 
for the bucks. It looks good too.
On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 12:26:46 PM UTC-8, eflayer wrote:
>
> Came out of the carton looking good. Built up well. Post modern combo of 
> parts. It is raining today, but I got in a short ride. While this thing 
> weighs about the same at 25 lbs as the Cannondale I discussed a few weeks 
> ago, it rides like sveltish upright cruiser. I am pleasantly surprised by 
> the nice steel springiness.
> Albatross
> Thomson X4 stem
> Tiagra Hollowtech triple crank
> 11-34 XT 9 cassette
> 28 hole, Ultegra Open Pro
> 700 x 25 tires (for now)
> VO post
> B17 saddle
> Tektro 720 cantis
> Bacchetta brake levers left over from bent days
> Shimano 9 speed barcons
> Wellgo dual purpose pedals
>

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[RBW] Re: Evolution of your bike preference?

[Evan Baird]

Mongoose BMX bikes > Schwinn hardtail > Specialized CrMo single speed > 
Ironhorse long travel hardtail > KHS OX steel hardtail single speed 
conversion > Specialized fixed gear > Surly Cross Check w/ Albatross bars > 
Steamroller with mustachio bars > Soma ES w drops and friction shifters > 
Origin 8 single speed > Suly 1x1 rigid > Traitior fixed gear porteur > Pake 
C'mute w/ guido levers > self built fillet brazed 650b low trail thingy 
(but I haven't built it up yet). I probably left out a few...

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[RBW] Re: 9 to 8 speed worth it for better friction shifting?

[Evan Baird]

My buddy Will used to run friction with an Alfine hub on his 650b Vaya. 
Said it worked ok. Seems sketchy to me though.

On Friday, February 28, 2014 10:07:52 AM UTC-8, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>
> Since we're talking friction-shifting, I thought I'd ask again (cuz I do 
> this periodically): Anyone have any success friction-shifting an 
> internal-geared hub?  Yes yes, I know about potentially damaging the 
> internals if you're not quite 'in-gear', but I'd really like to figure out 
> a way to do this safely.   If you think about it, we get familiar enough 
> with friction-shifting derailleurs on feel alone, such that we never really 
> have to look down to know we've shifted into the right gear. Can we not get 
> the same kind of 'feel' from an IG hub, even if it requires over-shifting, 
> then settling back squarely onto the cog, so to speak???  
>
> There are some IG hubs (like the SRAM/Sachs Spectro and Dual Drive hubs) 
> that use a 'click box' with a push rod to 'switch' into the next 
> gear...(which I believe is different from moving the planetary gears 
> directly via cable movement, but I could be mistaken). The push-rod 
> mechanism seems almost like it's (in essence) already indexed within the 
> hub, and the cable movement via the clickbox merely causes the next shift. 
>  If this is the case, I suppose the between-gear problem could potentially 
> be a non-issue (than say with other types of IG hubs like the Alfine or 
> Nexus)... You just move the cable enough to force the next shift, and then 
> let up slightly??  Any insights from the Engineers/Intellectuals/Crazies in 
> this group whether this makes any sense?
>
> Maybe I should just do like the Mythbusters and go for it, risking life 
> and limb in the interest of bicycle science...
>
> BB
>
>
>
>  
>
> On Friday, February 28, 2014 1:28:05 AM UTC-5, Michael wrote:
>>
>> Update:
>>
>> I called RBW and they said it would definitely help to go to 8 speed 
>> cassette over the 9peed.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] New Albion Privateer - not the best face yet, but getting there

[Evan Baird]

I prefer downtube shifters over all other styles. They're easy to maintain, 
and they don't get in the way. The fact they're relatively cheap is a bonus.

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[RBW] Re: Evolution of your bike preference?

[Deacon Patrick]

Age 7-11: Schwinn Stingray, to school a few miles away, but most memories 
of "ghost riding" it down the road, over ramps and jumps and over the same 
jumps over the ditch in front of our house. 
11-17: Diamond Back mountain bike. Most memorable ride was Fall River Road 
in Rockey Mountain national park, where I lost brakes due to mud and 
bailed, watching it fly over the edge (payback for ghost riding my previous 
bike no doubt). I was bruised up, but the bike was fine except for a 
slightly bent front big chain ring. Used a rock to bash it back into place.
17-2002: Cannondale Alum. touring bike. Skinny tires. Racing poser unable 
to ride dirt. Toured Europe after high school like a lycra fool. Memories 
include a century ride through London after which I was covered in soot 
that felt an inch thick and didn't completely come off until we followed 
the Seine River into Paris in 100˚F/100% humidity, but replaced it with 
dead gnats, so maybe not. Then there was baulking like a chicken in the 
middle of the just closed French grocery to ask for where the chicken soup 
was, only to be dragged on the hard heels of my cycling cleats (in which I 
walked like a chicken) to the eggs. Apparently I looked I'd just laid an 
egg. Sardonic grin.
2003-200? Greenspeed recumbent trike until I discovered going barefoot and 
running the trails was possible with vertigo and it was so remote and 
wonderful I gave the trike to our godson's brother who has multiple 
challenges, including walking.
2012-Present: RIvendell Hunqapillar and wondrous trail riding and 
bikepacking to places nobody else goes. Glorious solitude! Fat tires are 
beautiful, but I suspect I don't want to go fatter because of the bounce, 
but I'll try that someday and see how we get along.

With abandon,
Patrick 

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RE: [RBW] Re: Evolution of your bike preference?

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Let some air out – the perfect bike will become uber-perfect.

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LeahFoy
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 6:28 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: Evolution of your bike preference?

This is fun!

Age 7: Parents scored a Huffy purple and white with pink roses banana seat bike 
at a garage sale. Said bike had been run over by the family's car, and someone 
had decided to "fix" it with a weld job. It was because of this that pedaling 
the thing was near-impossible, but my scrawny little 7-year-old self managed 
it. Probably on flat tires. I loved having a bike, and was only jealous when I 
got the chance to ride my neighbor's shiny, new Rainbow Brite bike. It pedaled 
like butter compared to mine.

The next bike I remember...

Age 11, 6th grade: It was 1992 and Christmas; I recieved a purple/black/gray 
Huffy (again with the Huffy) mountain bike. It had a BAG and a WATER BOTTLE! 
The bottle came cracked and leaked. The theme for Leah's bikes must have been, 
"mostly functional." I'm sure I rode that with flat tires, too. But I was its 
first owner, and nobody in town had taken a welding torch to it, so I was 
thrilled. I made frequent visits to the garage all winter to look at it and 
smell it and touch it. Come spring, I rode it all over my rural North Dakota 
town and even to my best friend's farmhouse, 5 miles away on gravel roads. She 
had received the exact same bike for Christmas, so we were "twins." But her 
water bottle wasn't cracked. We'd ride horse all weekend. It was FREEDOM.

It WAS North Dakota, after all, and one does have to depend on motor vehicles 
for many things, so bikes fell out of favor with me for my high school years. 
At college, bikes weren't such a big deal, either. We walked or drove.

Finished college, got married and moved to the southwest. Had my little boys 
and suddenly realized they were big enough to be in a bike trailer. My husband 
got me a metallic blue Walmart Schwinn for my 29th birthday (we knew nothing 
about LBS bikes) and my in-laws got me a baby-blue bike trailer. Soon, I was 
flying down hills with my boys and the dog in tow. Still remained clueless 
about riding flat tires. I was hooked.

We moved to Valencia, California and I rode all over it on paved paseos fit for 
a queen. My older son was on his own bike by now, and my younger was still in 
the trailer. I loved every single minute of our bike rides and it was 
contagious. The Indian family next door to us became our best friends, and they 
caught the bike bug from us. Pretty soon they had bikes and we moms and the 
kids were out biking together every day. We moved our younger kids onto 
trail-a-bikes.

My Walmart Schwinn started making a lot of strange sounds. Rattling and grating 
metal were becoming sounds one would associate with me and my bike. One day my 
husband rode it and said, "You know, this bike has seen better days. If you 
want a new one, I'll get one for you."

Music to my ears! I decided I wanted a "nice" bike and since I recognized the 
Trek name, I settled on getting one. I found a screaming deal from a fellow 
nurse on Craigslist - $400 for a barely used Trek 7.6FX. I couldn't believe the 
difference in quality. I even learned about filling tires! I felt spoiled and 
proud of my new bike - this was the best bike ever!

But that didn't last long. I started disliking the flat bars. I wanted to see 
the scenery. My neck and shoulders hurt. The saddle was a killer. The skinny 
tires unnerved me. I couldn't take the gravel when my son asked if we could. I 
started to toy with the idea of selling the Trek in favor of a different bike. 
I went to bike shops. People started talking about carbon and drop bars. I 
started listening to them. I had a dirty thought I couldn't banish - I wondered 
why the best bars I'd ever had were the upright, swept-back ones on my cheap 
bikes. I banished the thought as the foolishness of a novice. I was into "nice" 
bikes now; time to embrace the drop bar and carbon culture.

I was set to do it - really I was - and I had a Specialized road bike with drop 
bars all picked out. But there were some nagging questions; this was the bike 
people recommended, but they didn't seem interested in the part where I said 
I'd be pulling a trail-a-bike and running errands. Nobody mentioned braze-ons, 
racks, or the like. I probably would have just trusted them that this was my 
perfect bike, but the price tag was hefty - remember, I was only acquainted 
with cheap Target/Walmart bikes prior to this - and the fear associated with 
the price tag made me search online a bit more, hoping for a better bike.

I came across Just Ride on Amazon.com, and as soon as I read Grant, it was a 
done deal. I had the perfect answer - a 'nice' bike that could be useful to me! 
I did some serious fast talking to my husband, who by this time believed I had 
lost my mind, and I sort 

[RBW] Re: Evolution of your bike preference?

[LeahFoy]

This is fun!

Age 7: Parents scored a Huffy purple and white with pink roses banana seat 
bike at a garage sale. Said bike had been run over by the family's car, and 
someone had decided to "fix" it with a weld job. It was because of this 
that pedaling the thing was near-impossible, but my scrawny little 
7-year-old self managed it. Probably on flat tires. I loved having a bike, 
and was only jealous when I got the chance to ride my neighbor's shiny, new 
Rainbow Brite bike. It pedaled like butter compared to mine. 

The next bike I remember...

Age 11, 6th grade: It was 1992 and Christmas; I recieved a 
purple/black/gray Huffy (again with the Huffy) mountain bike. It had a BAG 
and a WATER BOTTLE! The bottle came cracked and leaked. The theme for 
Leah's bikes must have been, "mostly functional." I'm sure I rode that with 
flat tires, too. But I was its first owner, and nobody in town had taken a 
welding torch to it, so I was thrilled. I made frequent visits to the 
garage all winter to look at it and smell it and touch it. Come spring, I 
rode it all over my rural North Dakota town and even to my best friend's 
farmhouse, 5 miles away on gravel roads. She had received the exact same 
bike for Christmas, so we were "twins." But her water bottle wasn't 
cracked. We'd ride horse all weekend. It was FREEDOM.

It WAS North Dakota, after all, and one does have to depend on motor 
vehicles for many things, so bikes fell out of favor with me for my high 
school years. At college, bikes weren't such a big deal, either. We walked 
or drove.

Finished college, got married and moved to the southwest. Had my little 
boys and suddenly realized they were big enough to be in a bike trailer. My 
husband got me a metallic blue Walmart Schwinn for my 29th birthday (we 
knew nothing about LBS bikes) and my in-laws got me a baby-blue bike 
trailer. Soon, I was flying down hills with my boys and the dog in tow. 
Still remained clueless about riding flat tires. I was hooked.

We moved to Valencia, California and I rode all over it on paved paseos fit 
for a queen. My older son was on his own bike by now, and my younger was 
still in the trailer. I loved every single minute of our bike rides and it 
was contagious. The Indian family next door to us became our best friends, 
and they caught the bike bug from us. Pretty soon they had bikes and we 
moms and the kids were out biking together every day. We moved our younger 
kids onto trail-a-bikes. 

My Walmart Schwinn started making a lot of strange sounds. Rattling and 
grating metal were becoming sounds one would associate with me and my bike. 
One day my husband rode it and said, "You know, this bike has seen better 
days. If you want a new one, I'll get one for you."

Music to my ears! I decided I wanted a "nice" bike and since I recognized 
the Trek name, I settled on getting one. I found a screaming deal from a 
fellow nurse on Craigslist - $400 for a barely used Trek 7.6FX. I couldn't 
believe the difference in quality. I even learned about filling tires! I 
felt spoiled and proud of my new bike - this was the best bike ever!

But that didn't last long. I started disliking the flat bars. I wanted to 
see the scenery. My neck and shoulders hurt. The saddle was a killer. The 
skinny tires unnerved me. I couldn't take the gravel when my son asked if 
we could. I started to toy with the idea of selling the Trek in favor of a 
different bike. I went to bike shops. People started talking about carbon 
and drop bars. I started listening to them. I had a dirty thought I 
couldn't banish - I wondered why the best bars I'd ever had were the 
upright, swept-back ones on my cheap bikes. I banished the thought as the 
foolishness of a novice. I was into "nice" bikes now; time to embrace the 
drop bar and carbon culture. 

I was set to do it - really I was - and I had a Specialized road bike with 
drop bars all picked out. But there were some nagging questions; this was 
the bike people recommended, but they didn't seem interested in the part 
where I said I'd be pulling a trail-a-bike and running errands. Nobody 
mentioned braze-ons, racks, or the like. I probably would have just trusted 
them that this was my perfect bike, but the price tag was hefty - remember, 
I was only acquainted with cheap Target/Walmart bikes prior to this - and 
the fear associated with the price tag made me search online a bit more, 
hoping for a better bike.

I came across Just Ride on Amazon.com, and as soon as I read Grant, it was 
a done deal. I had the perfect answer - a 'nice' bike that could be useful 
to me! I did some serious fast talking to my husband, who by this time 
believed I had lost my mind, and I sort of got him on board. I sold the 
Trek for $200 more than I paid for it and called up Keven to chat about a 
Sam Hillborne with drop bars. He said, "Why not a Betty with Albatross 
bars?" Woah, you mean I could be serious about bikes but have the 
swept-back bars and mixte frame of my girlhood 

[RBW] Re: A lugged steel boomerang? My Hillborne is back!

[Tom Goodmann]

Great story, Bill; thanks for providing some of the pictorial history too. 
 Just in from work on a double TT blue Sam, nearing its first year since 
purchase from Headquarters; if you have to go to work, that is a good way 
to go.  --Tom (Miami; yep, beautiful day again)

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[RBW] Re: A lugged steel boomerang? My Hillborne is back!

[Bill Lindsay]

Another tiny 'stars aligning' moment.  You may have noticed the wheelset on 
the Hillborne has rims with Ceramic sidewalls.  I rolled by CyclePath in 
Hayward to re-stock straddle cables and took the longshot on their KoolStop 
board.  Lo and behold, they had two pairs of KoolStop Green (ceramic 
formula) V-Inserts.  What are the odds of finding those in-stock at a shop? 
 Pretty long odds.  

Funny side story.  The guy behind the counter has worked there at CyclePath 
for a long time, certainly multiple years.  When I asked him for straddle 
cables, he walked in back, and came back out with three different things. 
 He said "I'm not too familiar with these, are any of these what you 
need?".  

Am I a retro-grouch just because I use cantilever brakes now?  
Or am I a retro grouch because I use rim brakes at all?  

I will at least give him credit that one of the three things he brought out 
was what I needed and all three things vaguely qualified as straddle 
cables.  

On Friday, February 28, 2014 12:37:10 PM UTC-8, Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>
> "I hope it takes you on many wonderful adventures." Indeed.
> Shoji
>
>
>
>

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RE: [RBW] Re: Evolution of your bike preference?

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

There seems to be a lot of jonesing for fat bikes this winter!  Me, too.

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ryan
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 3:57 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: Evolution of your bike preference?

Neat thread

1961 - learned to ride on my sister's Glider (English brand that Eaton's 
carried) - nice, smooth and quite light bike...electric blue with white fenders 
and nice almostNitto North Road type bars
 1962 - moved to Winnipeg and inherited my other sister's late 40's CCM. But it 
was my bike. Then got first sister's Glider
1968-1971 - abandoned bikes for other adolescent hormonal pursuits
1972 - I came back to my senses .1st 10-speed bought from local hardware. Truly 
scary riding that thing in the rain with the steel rims and crappy brakes. My 
mother's boyfriend owned a 60's Legnano which had chromed lugs and was painted 
an unfortunate shade of Mountsin Dew yellow-green, but rode like a thoroughbred 
compared to my mule
1973 - Read Richard Ballantine's book about Bicycles (cool guy w ponytail 
wrenching an immaculate Condor) and basis that bought a Peugeot PX-10. ^ months 
later it was stolen and I replaced it; 10 years later that one was stolen out 
of our garage in Charleswood , but luckily Gooch's had another model in the 
basement that our insurance paid for
1984 - Cannondaly M500...the funky one with the 26" front and 24" back wheel. 
Cool bike. Sold it to a coworker
1986- Joined touring club. Rode around Manitoba a bunch on Peugeot PX10 
3...which was not ideal for some of the hills we have or carrying 
panniers.Lives now as a terrif single-speed I got a screaming deal on a 
Cannondale 18-speed touring bike. Indexed shifting. This worked really well as 
a loaded tourer and was fun to ride unloaded too. I also bought a Rossin w 
Super Record..nice Italian racer but I never totally warmed up to it. Sold it 
in 2007 or so to a neighbour who kind of collected and rode Italian bikes
1991 Cannondaly SM2000 mountain bike with the Pepperoni forks. Still have it 
but don't ride it
1993 - Bought the iconic, much loved 1993 orange X0-1. I'd never get rid of 
this bike. My wet weather commuter
1997 - Enamoured of all things Bridgestone, ordered the very lovely 
All-Rounder...a deluxe version of the X0-1, but a smoother more refined ride
2000 - Ordered my Riv road as the road bike I should have had
I like practical, elegant, well-made and unique  bikes. If I fell into a CF 
racer I wouldn't be unhappy, but I'm perfectly happy without one

Next? A custom mixte (I am 61 after all) may be in the cards at some point. 
Also, with this interminable winter, I'm sort of jonesing for a fatbike

Ryan - Winnipeg

On Friday, February 28, 2014 11:13:47 AM UTC-6, jinxed wrote:
Over the last couple weeks I have been fortunate to get out and ride each of 
the bikes in my stable. This offered some really surprising comparisons and 
conflicted some of my previous thoughts on each bike. My bikes are USA made and 
they're all steel, and I'm attached to all of them. They also happen to be 
different wheel sizes. 26" Riv AR, 650b OAC Rambler, 29" Spot MTB, and 700c 
Cross/race.

My biking trajectory was BMX - MTB - Cross - Road - and now is some sort of 
hybrid of all those. I was a staunch opponent of 29er and clung to 26" 
adamantly until I finally gave up and tried the larger wheel size. I had to eat 
a lot of crow when I enjoyed it. Since then I've never gone back to 26" off 
road, but still held on to romantic praise for it.

CX was just a natural offshoot of MTB when trying to ride on the road. Although 
I raced road bikes, I much preferred riding them in the dirt. My ultimate ride 
is a fast swoopy twisty turny jaunt through wooded singletrack on a CX bike. 
It's what my bike dreams are made of.

My first Rivendell was also my first 650b and it felt like a bridge between the 
MTB and CX. It seemed to be the true all round that perfectly fit the way I 
wanted to ride, and more importantly where I have the most access to ride. I 
have several dirt trails I prefer riding on, but I must take pavement to get 
there. I think the best aspect of the Rivendell line in it's entirety is that 
they do well in many types of terrain. Obviously age and life circumstances 
affect how and where I ride, but I find much more enjoyment out of the 
exploration type of riding I'm doing now. I attribute much of that to this list 
and the ideals behind the bike designs.

This brings me to my recent riding. If I had ranked my bikes based on mental 
attachment, it would have been AR, CX, 650b, 29er. But after riding them all 
back to back I realized my enjoyment of the ride of those bikes is a different 
sequence: 650b, CX, 29er, AR.

I'm surprised I prefer larger diameter wheels, because I refuse to admit 26" is 
dead! But if I were to choose, 650 is the smallest platform I'd go to.
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RE: [RBW] Re: Evolution of your bike preference?

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

My first  “real” bike was a red Sears 3 speed with upright bars (I was 10).  I 
took them off immediately and replaced them with drops, wrapped in lime green 
semi-transparent plastic tape.  I thought it was the shit.  Rode it to school 3 
years running every day, 6th through 8th grade.  It was stolen from the school 
bike rack (we didn’t lock our bikes way back in the Paleozoic Era), and I 
didn’t replace it – a drivers’ license didn’t seem that far away at that point, 
and anyway my high school was much farther away than my junior high school.

So: a 7 year bike hiatus, through college graduation.  But during my senior 
year my girlfriend and I were planning a post-graduation summer bike tour in 
Europe (summer of 1974) and I needed a bike, so I bought a Fuji S10-S on a bike 
shop recommendation (a very smart bike shop, as it turned out – that was a 
wonderful bike for the price).  I rode it all over England and France, 75 to 
100 miles a day, for 3 months (by myself – the g/f broke up with me right 
before we were going to leave!), after not having ridden a bike for 7 years.  
(Oh, to be that young and flexible again!)  I think I put something like 4000 
miles on that bike that summer.

Brought it back to Philadelphia for law school, where it was promptly stolen.  
(Unlike my Sears bike, it was locked – I don’t know how the thief got it.)  
Anyway, I replaced it with a Raleigh Super Grand Prix in 1975.  Rode that bike 
to and from school for two years, then basically hung it up for almost 25 
years, until one of my sons wanted it (interestingly, to use as a commuter bike 
in Philadelphia – he rode it every day for 3 years until the top tube cracked 
at the headtube lug).

Hanging up the Raleigh led to two decades of no riding at all.  In the late 
‘90s, I bought an aluminum Trek hybrid (a 7600) to ride around on at the beach 
in New Jersey.  A few hundred miles a summer, max.  But it reminded me how much 
I enjoyed being out on a bike, and led to the next stage.

In 2005, I decided I was getting too sedentary, and thought I’d try to commute 
to work on the Trek.  I did that for a year until I had a bad crash, and ruined 
the front wheel on the Trek (in addition to, temporarily, several of my ribs, 
my collarbone, and my wrist).  Interestingly, though, the crash just made me 
more determined to keep up with my commute, and also to try to begin to learn 
more about how bikes worked, and what makes a good bike.  Investigating the 
latter point, I stumbled on the Rivendell website (2006).  I saw the Bombadil 
(then in prototype), and fell in love with its appearance, which reinforced my 
instincts that the Riv way was mostly the right way, for me.  I bought a 
Bombadil shortly thereafter, and Rivendells and the Riv way of looking at 
biking has dominated my approach ever since.  Since then, I’ve had 11 Rivendell 
bikes, and built or rebuilt most of them; I’ve passed on three of them to 
family members, but still have the others.  I’ve probably built up another 15 
bikes in that period – most of those have been passed on as well, either to 
family and friends or as contributions to charity auctions, which I enjoy.

So it took me many years, but biking is again an important part of my life, and 
Rivendell has been an important part of the inspiration for that.

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Schiller
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 4:28 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: Evolution of your bike preference?

The 1st bike I really remember was a candy apple green Stingray... I rode that 
from age 6 'till maybe 12. Most of the time on dirt roads, cow trails, off 
jumps. I stripped it down and rattle can painted it may 5 times. In Jr high I 
got a road bike.  Rode that every where the Stingray went.   Started doing 
longer rides in the canyons of the San Gabriel Mtns. In summer we would be gone 
from morning until after dark.  1st year of college I got a nice Centurion.  
Still riding the dirt canyon roads on 25mm tires.  I was into triathlons for a 
while at that time.  Loved the bike and run but I swim like a stone.  Next was 
a Univega Gran Rally. I loved the way that bike rode.

Then mountain bikes came on the scene, I bought a 1983 Schwinn Sierra, 
Snakebelly tires, a 14-38 Suntour freewheel.  I probably didn't ride that 
Univega ever again. For at least a decade I road 100% off road.  I went through 
a number of MTB's after that, a 1st year 1986 Rockhopper, Fisher HKK, 
Bridgestone MB-2, Fisher Mt Tam. I started racing MTB's Mammoth, Big Bear, 
Keyesville, anything within driving distance.

As full suspension bikes came on the scene and downhill speeds increased I lost 
interest in racing a bit. Owned a few full suspension MTBs but I ended up going 
back to a hardtail 29er. I also  bought a Ciocc road bike and started doing 
more road riding, Some centuries and organized rides.  OK but not my cup of 
tea. I prefer

Re: [RBW] Re: Mini-Beam

[djbardwil]

Steve - 
I may have seen a posting of your bike somewhere in my decision process and 
was completely enamored with the look of blue wrapped drops and blackwalls 
- stunning look.  
I have a 48 cm / 650b Sam and it is just perfect.  

Philip - I have a lot to learn with gearing and part of the reason I went 
this route, but I understand a 3:1 ratio is a good place to start.  I am 
not sure what 72" is referring to but have a new research point to dig 
into.  I appreciate your input.

I believe the frame arrives on Monday and I cannot wait to get this project 
underway!

Thanks. 

On Friday, February 28, 2014 10:46:54 AM UTC-5, stevef wrote:
>
> I'm glad you posted, David--I was concerned that the auction didn't 
> mention that this frame is made for 650b wheels, and I was worred that the 
> buyer might not be aware.  Since you're here, though, you probably know 
> that!  
>
> I have a 52cm 650Beam-great little bike..welcome to the club! 
>
> Steve
>
> In its natural habitat:
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 10:54 PM, djbardwil 
> > wrote:
>
>> Well, I am thrilled to be the very lucky winner of the auction and admit 
>> my addiction to Rivendell.  I was a bit surprised that only one bid came 
>> through but it is a small frame and the dead of winter so the audience may 
>> have been limited.  Apparently, there are only 30 of these 50 cm QBs.  It 
>> should be a great project and I intend to take it slowly and thoughtfully 
>> as I've never built up a non-derailleur bicycle.  Initial thought was to 
>> possibly try out the Sturmey-Archer 2-speed Kickback hub as the basis of a 
>> wheel build and possibly a Sturmey-Archer crankset but I'll need to do some 
>> homework on gearing, spacing, chainline etc.  Nothing is set in stone at 
>> the moment and each component will be a new decision point but, barring the 
>> possible S-A components, it will clearly be a Rivendell build when it's 
>> done.
>>
>> I enjoy this group very much and value your input, stories, and 
>> camaraderie.  Photos will prove the project is underway!
>>
>> Thanks -
>> David
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 9:52:50 PM UTC-5, Coconutbill wrote:
>>>
>>> One day...


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[RBW] Re: Evolution of your bike preference?

[Mike Schiller]

oh... and I forgot to say... I'm seriously considering a fat bike next 
can't go with much fatter tires than that!

~mike

On Friday, February 28, 2014 1:27:33 PM UTC-8, Mike Schiller wrote:
>
> The 1st bike I really remember was a candy apple green Stingray... I rode 
> that from age 6 'till maybe 12. Most of the time on dirt roads, cow trails, 
> off jumps. I stripped it down and rattle can painted it may 5 times. In Jr 
> high I got a road bike.  Rode that every where the Stingray went.   Started 
> doing longer rides in the canyons of the San Gabriel Mtns. In summer we 
> would be gone from morning until after dark.  1st year of college I got a 
> nice Centurion.  Still riding the dirt canyon roads on 25mm tires.  I was 
> into triathlons for a while at that time.  Loved the bike and run but I 
> swim like a stone.  Next was a Univega Gran Rally. I loved the way that 
> bike rode.  
>
> Then mountain bikes came on the scene, I bought a 1983 Schwinn Sierra, 
> Snakebelly tires, a 14-38 Suntour freewheel.  I probably didn't ride that 
> Univega ever again. For at least a decade I road 100% off road.  I went 
> through a number of MTB's after that, a 1st year 1986 Rockhopper, Fisher 
> HKK, Bridgestone MB-2, Fisher Mt Tam. I started racing MTB's Mammoth, Big 
> Bear, Keyesville, anything within driving distance.  
>
> As full suspension bikes came on the scene and downhill speeds increased I 
> lost interest in racing a bit. Owned a few full suspension MTBs but I ended 
> up going back to a hardtail 29er. I also  bought a Ciocc road bike and 
> started doing more road riding, Some centuries and organized rides.  OK but 
> not my cup of tea. I prefer adventure rides where I almost get lost or have 
> to climb fences to get home. I picked up an early version of the Soma Cross 
> bike and re-discovered mixed terrain rides.  Did my first multi-day bike 
> tour.  Bought my 1st Riv, an Orange Hillborne, equipped it with 40mm 
> knobbies and had a blast. Found a nice green Ram and sold the Sam H.  The 
> ride was just so much nicer for me.   
>
> I still have an MTB, a custom steel 29er hardtail, but most of my rides 
> are on a lugged steel 650B custom  with Hetres.  Got a mountain cross 
> custom about done for 700c x 45mm tires. That will probably get a lot of 
> use too. 
> So not much of an evolution, I love riding dirt and going places I've 
> never been before, the bikes are custom now and tailored to my passion. Big 
> fat tires, no suspension, fun, fast rides and sometimes I may stop and 
> admire the views.
>
> ~mike
> Carlsbad Ca
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: Evolution of your bike preference?

[Mike Schiller]

The 1st bike I really remember was a candy apple green Stingray... I rode 
that from age 6 'till maybe 12. Most of the time on dirt roads, cow trails, 
off jumps. I stripped it down and rattle can painted it may 5 times. In Jr 
high I got a road bike.  Rode that every where the Stingray went.   Started 
doing longer rides in the canyons of the San Gabriel Mtns. In summer we 
would be gone from morning until after dark.  1st year of college I got a 
nice Centurion.  Still riding the dirt canyon roads on 25mm tires.  I was 
into triathlons for a while at that time.  Loved the bike and run but I 
swim like a stone.  Next was a Univega Gran Rally. I loved the way that 
bike rode.  

Then mountain bikes came on the scene, I bought a 1983 Schwinn Sierra, 
Snakebelly tires, a 14-38 Suntour freewheel.  I probably didn't ride that 
Univega ever again. For at least a decade I road 100% off road.  I went 
through a number of MTB's after that, a 1st year 1986 Rockhopper, Fisher 
HKK, Bridgestone MB-2, Fisher Mt Tam. I started racing MTB's Mammoth, Big 
Bear, Keyesville, anything within driving distance.  

As full suspension bikes came on the scene and downhill speeds increased I 
lost interest in racing a bit. Owned a few full suspension MTBs but I ended 
up going back to a hardtail 29er. I also  bought a Ciocc road bike and 
started doing more road riding, Some centuries and organized rides.  OK but 
not my cup of tea. I prefer adventure rides where I almost get lost or have 
to climb fences to get home. I picked up an early version of the Soma Cross 
bike and re-discovered mixed terrain rides.  Did my first multi-day bike 
tour.  Bought my 1st Riv, an Orange Hillborne, equipped it with 40mm 
knobbies and had a blast. Found a nice green Ram and sold the Sam H.  The 
ride was just so much nicer for me.   

I still have an MTB, a custom steel 29er hardtail, but most of my rides are 
on a lugged steel 650B custom  with Hetres.  Got a mountain cross custom 
about done for 700c x 45mm tires. That will probably get a lot of use too. 
So not much of an evolution, I love riding dirt and going places I've never 
been before, the bikes are custom now and tailored to my passion. Big fat 
tires, no suspension, fun, fast rides and sometimes I may stop and admire 
the views.

~mike
Carlsbad Ca
 

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[RBW] Re: Evolution of your bike preference?

[Ryan]

Neat thread
 
1961 - learned to ride on my sister's Glider (English brand that Eaton's 
carried) - nice, smooth and quite light bike...electric blue with white 
fenders and nice almostNitto North Road type bars
 1962 - moved to Winnipeg and inherited my other sister's late 40's CCM. 
But it was my bike. Then got first sister's Glider
1968-1971 - abandoned bikes for other adolescent hormonal pursuits
1972 - I came back to my senses .1st 10-speed bought from local hardware. 
Truly scary riding that thing in the rain with the steel rims and crappy 
brakes. My mother's boyfriend owned a 60's Legnano which had chromed lugs 
and was painted an unfortunate shade of Mountsin Dew yellow-green, but rode 
like a thoroughbred compared to my mule
1973 - Read Richard Ballantine's book about Bicycles (cool guy w ponytail 
wrenching an immaculate Condor) and basis that bought a Peugeot PX-10. ^ 
months later it was stolen and I replaced it; 10 years later that one was 
stolen out of our garage in Charleswood , but luckily Gooch's had another 
model in the basement that our insurance paid for
1984 - Cannondaly M500...the funky one with the 26" front and 24" back 
wheel. Cool bike. Sold it to a coworker
1986- Joined touring club. Rode around Manitoba a bunch on Peugeot PX10 
3...which was not ideal for some of the hills we have or carrying 
panniers.Lives now as a terrif single-speed I got a screaming deal on a 
Cannondale 18-speed touring bike. Indexed shifting. This worked really well 
as a loaded tourer and was fun to ride unloaded too. I also bought a Rossin 
w Super Record..nice Italian racer but I never totally warmed up to it. 
Sold it in 2007 or so to a neighbour who kind of collected and rode Italian 
bikes
1991 Cannondaly SM2000 mountain bike with the Pepperoni forks. Still have 
it but don't ride it
1993 - Bought the iconic, much loved 1993 orange X0-1. I'd never get rid of 
this bike. My wet weather commuter
1997 - Enamoured of all things Bridgestone, ordered the very lovely 
All-Rounder...a deluxe version of the X0-1, but a smoother more refined ride
2000 - Ordered my Riv road as the road bike I should have had
I like practical, elegant, well-made and unique  bikes. If I fell into a CF 
racer I wouldn't be unhappy, but I'm perfectly happy without one
 
Next? A custom mixte (I am 61 after all) may be in the cards at some point. 
Also, with this interminable winter, I'm sort of jonesing for a fatbike
 
Ryan - Winnipeg

On Friday, February 28, 2014 11:13:47 AM UTC-6, jinxed wrote:

> Over the last couple weeks I have been fortunate to get out and ride each 
> of the bikes in my stable. This offered some really surprising comparisons 
> and conflicted some of my previous thoughts on each bike. My bikes are USA 
> made and they're all steel, and I'm attached to all of them. They also 
> happen to be different wheel sizes. 26" Riv AR, 650b OAC Rambler, 29" Spot 
> MTB, and 700c Cross/race. 
>
> My biking trajectory was BMX - MTB - Cross - Road - and now is some sort 
> of hybrid of all those. I was a staunch opponent of 29er and clung to 26" 
> adamantly until I finally gave up and tried the larger wheel size. I had to 
> eat a lot of crow when I enjoyed it. Since then I've never gone back to 26" 
> off road, but still held on to romantic praise for it.
>
> CX was just a natural offshoot of MTB when trying to ride on the road. 
> Although I raced road bikes, I much preferred riding them in the dirt. My 
> ultimate ride is a fast swoopy twisty turny jaunt through wooded 
> singletrack on a CX bike. It's what my bike dreams are made of.
>
> My first Rivendell was also my first 650b and it felt like a bridge 
> between the MTB and CX. It seemed to be the true all round that perfectly 
> fit the way I wanted to ride, and more importantly where I have the most 
> access to ride. I have several dirt trails I prefer riding on, but I must 
> take pavement to get there. I think the best aspect of the Rivendell line 
> in it's entirety is that they do well in many types of terrain. Obviously 
> age and life circumstances affect how and where I ride, but I find much 
> more enjoyment out of the exploration type of riding I'm doing now. I 
> attribute much of that to this list and the ideals behind the bike designs.
>
> This brings me to my recent riding. If I had ranked my bikes based on 
> mental attachment, it would have been AR, CX, 650b, 29er. But after riding 
> them all back to back I realized my enjoyment of the ride of those bikes is 
> a different sequence: 650b, CX, 29er, AR.
>
> I'm surprised I prefer larger diameter wheels, because I refuse to admit 
> 26" is dead! But if I were to choose, 650 is the smallest platform I'd go 
> to.
>

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[RBW] FS, Tires, Bars, and Bag oh my prices reduced

[Michael Williams]

Hey group,  doing some early spring cleaning,  have some tires and other 
stuff for sale!  Everything is gently used, prices dont include shipping, 
 deals for multiple items!
Acorn Boxy Rando bag   tan w/ brown trim $160( retails for $210+tax)
 Resist Nomad tires.  700x 45 $25/pair
Kenda Karma 700x1.9.  $25/pair
Schwalbe Mar. Duremes. 700x40.  $60/pair
Force Field Rumpkins.  650Bx41. $65/pair
Nitto Bosco bar with Technomic Deluxe (12cm) stem.   $90. Can sell separate 
if interested
Shimano 600 crank. Double 53/39 175mm arms $20


Reply off list pleez!  Thanks. -Mike

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[RBW] Re: A lugged steel boomerang? My Hillborne is back!

[Shoji Takahashi]

"I hope it takes you on many wonderful adventures." Indeed.
Shoji


On Friday, February 28, 2014 2:44:42 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> When I pulled up my MonsterCross build photos, I immediately went looking 
> for those tires online.  It looks so kickass, and there's still tons of 
> clearance.  That would shred.  It looks like that tire isn't made anymore, 
> though.  I'll probably buy some Rock and Roads and wait for that new WTB 
> Nano 700x40 as wellAND buy some 700x38 Compass Barlow Pass road tires 
> as well.  So many great tires
>
> One thing I forgot to mention about the re-purchase.  I did go pick it up 
> riding my dad's Windsor, and rode back down 2 miles to BART with the frame 
> on my shoulder.  On the BART train this tiny woman (maybe 5', maybe 95lbs) 
> looked at me with Windsor and Hillborne and said "new frame?".  I said 
> "new/old/new frame".  She said "well, I hope it takes you on many wonderful 
> adventures"
>
> I've never gotten a random bike blessing from a stranger like that.  Maybe 
> she was an angel?  
>
>
>
> On Friday, February 28, 2014 11:11:30 AM UTC-8, jinxed wrote:
>>
>> Bill...this is just an awesome story! I have never had a bike come back 
>>> to me although many would be welcome.
>>>
>>
>> And for the record...your monstercross build is absolutely THE best!! I 
>> would have purchased the same frame a size down, but they had switched to 
>> sidepull by the time I was shopping. Oddly I ended up on a Hilsen which was 
>> sidepull too. But that got got traded for my AR. MAN I wish the Hilsen had 
>> come with cantis!!!
>>
>> Really crazy that someone could have such a beauty hanging around and 
>> never build it!! It's like you put in cryogenic storage for deep space 
>> travel and now it's reached the galactic outpost and assigned a fresh 
>> mission!  
>>
>

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RE: [RBW] Re: A lugged steel boomerang? My Hillborne is back!

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Great story.

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lindsay
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 2:45 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: A lugged steel boomerang? My Hillborne is back!

When I pulled up my MonsterCross build photos, I immediately went looking for 
those tires online.  It looks so kickass, and there's still tons of clearance.  
That would shred.  It looks like that tire isn't made anymore, though.  I'll 
probably buy some Rock and Roads and wait for that new WTB Nano 700x40 as 
wellAND buy some 700x38 Compass Barlow Pass road tires as well.  So many 
great tires

One thing I forgot to mention about the re-purchase.  I did go pick it up 
riding my dad's Windsor, and rode back down 2 miles to BART with the frame on 
my shoulder.  On the BART train this tiny woman (maybe 5', maybe 95lbs) looked 
at me with Windsor and Hillborne and said "new frame?".  I said "new/old/new 
frame".  She said "well, I hope it takes you on many wonderful adventures"

I've never gotten a random bike blessing from a stranger like that.  Maybe she 
was an angel?



On Friday, February 28, 2014 11:11:30 AM UTC-8, jinxed wrote:
Bill...this is just an awesome story! I have never had a bike come back to me 
although many would be welcome.

And for the record...your monstercross build is absolutely THE best!! I would 
have purchased the same frame a size down, but they had switched to sidepull by 
the time I was shopping. Oddly I ended up on a Hilsen which was sidepull too. 
But that got got traded for my AR. MAN I wish the Hilsen had come with cantis!!!

Really crazy that someone could have such a beauty hanging around and never 
build it!! It's like you put in cryogenic storage for deep space travel and now 
it's reached the galactic outpost and assigned a fresh mission!
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[RBW] Re: Evolution of your bike preference?

[Ron Mc]

Most changes based on comfort.  
First thing was a Unicanitor saddle on my old Raleigh because it looked 
good and I could ride it then.  The desire was a go-fast bike within a 
student budget.   Then killed the spined crank on my old Raleigh climbing 
to my apartment in south Austin.  Bought parts at the co-op bike shop where 
racers sold the parts they won, and replaced it with a Sugino Mighty Comp. 
 Had s set of wheels built on Zeus hubs with Rigida 1320 rims and 1" tires, 
tighter 5-sp sprocket, Shimano 600 RD (190g, still one of the lightest and 
most reliable road RD ever made), and threw in Zeus shifters and gum-hood 
brake levers (getting rid of the old Weinmann safety levers) - the wheels 
changed the nature of the bike, and kept me riding it a long time.  It was 
fast. 
As I got older eased up to 1-1/8" tires and softer saddles - Concor then 
Terry.  
Finally couldn't get comfortable on the long GB stem and Maes bend drops. 
 After finding Rivendell whet for a moustache cockpit rebuild, B-17, 
bar-end shifter pods, and found a new level of comfort.  6-speed rear, 
Half-step chainring in the front then found a cyclotouriste triple with 
half steps and escape to make the bike more versatile.  Rivved out with 
fenders and front rack/bags.  Most recently new wheels, finally 700c, 
7-speed rear, and back to 32mm tires.  Still riding the bike after 38 
years.  
After getting back in shape was ready for a go-fast and built my Moser, 
though with (moderately) tall Nitto stem and Cinelli dream bars.  
Don't have the budget for a Rivendelll for a few more years, but it's high 
on my want list.  
It's going to be versatile and big tires.  

On Friday, February 28, 2014 1:20:19 PM UTC-6, Liesl wrote:
>
> 1963:  Pretend that I own my Brother's 3-speed black Raleigh; for a family 
> photo, pose next to it barefoot in my brother's bad-ass green bay packer 
> uniform like all of it was mine.
> 1965:  learn to ride on a prehistoric BMX type fixed gear with solid 
> rubber wheels covered with cloth electrical tape.  Point down grassy hill 
> and hang on for dear life.
> 1968:  Blue Sears girls bike.  Wanted a Schwinn.  Wanted a boys bike.
> 1971:  Save money.  Buy Schwinn Cherry Crate stingray.  Thought it /I was 
> cool until I tried to ride more than 1 block and/or more than a 1% grade
> 1974:  Save money.  Read books on bikes.  Buy Mercier "10-speed".  Ride a 
> lot happily in my small city of Madison WI and surrounding country roads.
> 1980:  Get into motorcycles in a big way and bicycles go by the wayside 
> for 2 decades.
> 1998:  Return to bicycles.  Don't need to save money in the same way to 
> get one.  Live in Frisco.  Buy a Kona Fire Mountain because "that's what 
> you want".  Have lots of fun riding it.
> 2005:  Start bike commuting 20 miles round-trip to work.  Live in Mpls.  
> Do it in the winter.  Love it.
> 2006:  See an Atlantis with Baggins panniers. Gob-smacked.  Google 
> Rivendell.  Fall in love. Devote myself to riding enough to warrant a Riv.
> 2007:  Visit Riv.  Ride a Ram and a Glorious.  Eventually decide on a 
> Saluki.  Love it.  Fall out of love with my Kona.
> 2008:  Pick up a Trek 620 single speed for a winter bike.
> 2009:  Snatch a Proto Bleriot Frame and build it up as a single speed.  
> Love it.
> 2010:  Must travel with bike!  Use recent 50th birthday as an excuse and 
> buy a pair of Bike Fridays for me and Erin.  Love it.
> 2013:  Win Riv raffle and go to heaven.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Evolution of your bike preference?

[Edwin W]

The first bike that I bought, with my own hard earned money was a Redline 
BMX in 7th grade or so. I still have it. The first useful bike I got was in 
8th grade. I would tally up my babysitting money and go to the local bike 
shop (Larry and Jeff's on 79th and 3rd in NYC). Each time I would think, 
gosh, if I could just babysit one more time I could get the next bike up. 
Then the next. Then the one with leather (may have been faux, but to 
contrast with foam) wrapped bars, dt shifters instead of stem shifters and 
sportier graphics (these are the things I noticed). And finally I had to go 
ahead and get it because I needed it to get to my summer job. It was a 
Panasonic DX-1000 (I think? Maybe the 500 had the foam handlebars).
Anyway, I rode it all over Central Park and the Upper East and West Sides 
of Manhattan. I took it on a bike trip to the Pacific NW one summer. And I 
outgrew it.
I then had a series of beaters I didn't ride much. All errand bikes. Which 
has been most of my riding all my life. In the middle of college I got my 
friend's ?5 year old Cannondale racing type bike and rode that on and off 
for ten years. While commuting all over NYC I made it into flat bar to be 
like the messengers. I flatted on the 23s and got some 25s, but only 
certain 25s could fit. I realized that there were different tire clearances 
for different bikes! I also had an LBS build up a single speed bull horn 
1980's lugged steel something or other. Messenger style, again. 
I continued with that as my daily commuter and then got a Redline 925 fixed 
gear used off CL and like the slightly fatter tires. 
I commuted on that 925 for a couple of years. Toward the end of that I 
discovered Riv. I sold the Cannondale for $175 15 years after I bought it 
for $225. That was worth it!
I moved to Nashville and our bikes were in storage on on the way so I got a 
Raleigh Sprite off this or iBob list (thanks Marty!). IT was a lot bigger 
than the 925, but I had been reading Grant's stuff and thought I could go a 
bit bigger. I loved a bigger bike! I loved the 1x5 friction shifting and 
700x35s and fenders and racks and I eventually got a dynamo. 
But I thought might do some road riding! So I got a used Nishiki Riviera 
off this list (thanks Patrick M!). But I always liked to ride the Raleigh 
since it had dynamo lighting. And with three young kids I rarely went on 
long bike rides during the day. I liked building it up, but I sold it after 
2 years of little use.
After a few years of that I had a 40th birthday and treated myself to a 
used Hillborne (thanks Jim M!). I ride everywhere on that and it is what I 
have been looking for now for awhile - a perfect town and country bike.

Living in the town known for country,
Edwin in Nashville

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[RBW] Re: A lugged steel boomerang? My Hillborne is back!

[Bill Lindsay]

When I pulled up my MonsterCross build photos, I immediately went looking 
for those tires online.  It looks so kickass, and there's still tons of 
clearance.  That would shred.  It looks like that tire isn't made anymore, 
though.  I'll probably buy some Rock and Roads and wait for that new WTB 
Nano 700x40 as wellAND buy some 700x38 Compass Barlow Pass road tires 
as well.  So many great tires

One thing I forgot to mention about the re-purchase.  I did go pick it up 
riding my dad's Windsor, and rode back down 2 miles to BART with the frame 
on my shoulder.  On the BART train this tiny woman (maybe 5', maybe 95lbs) 
looked at me with Windsor and Hillborne and said "new frame?".  I said 
"new/old/new frame".  She said "well, I hope it takes you on many wonderful 
adventures"

I've never gotten a random bike blessing from a stranger like that.  Maybe 
she was an angel?  



On Friday, February 28, 2014 11:11:30 AM UTC-8, jinxed wrote:
>
> Bill...this is just an awesome story! I have never had a bike come back to 
>> me although many would be welcome.
>>
>
> And for the record...your monstercross build is absolutely THE best!! I 
> would have purchased the same frame a size down, but they had switched to 
> sidepull by the time I was shopping. Oddly I ended up on a Hilsen which was 
> sidepull too. But that got got traded for my AR. MAN I wish the Hilsen had 
> come with cantis!!!
>
> Really crazy that someone could have such a beauty hanging around and 
> never build it!! It's like you put in cryogenic storage for deep space 
> travel and now it's reached the galactic outpost and assigned a fresh 
> mission!  
>

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Re: [RBW] A lugged steel boomerang? My Hillborne is back!

[Bill Lindsay]

MBB,

I set the saddle height and got on it.  I have not coasted chainless down 
the driveway (yet).  

On Friday, February 28, 2014 10:15:18 AM UTC-8, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>
> Yeah, but did you do the ol' "Lemme just ride it down the driveway before 
> the chain is on or the brakes are connected, JUST to get that raw feeling 
> of rolling on it"?  (I wanted to confirm I'm not the only crazy one).. 
>
> On Friday, February 28, 2014 10:33:10 AM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> It helps knowing that everything is going to fit, since I've built this 
>> very frameset three or four times already
>>
>> On Friday, February 28, 2014 6:01:49 AM UTC-8, Tim Gavin wrote:
>>>
>>> 30 minutes!  :)  I know how that is; I do the same when I receive a 
>>> shipment of bike parts.  Tear into them!  
>>>
>>> Binge bike building!
>>>
>>> Congrats on the bike, and many happy returns!
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 11:57 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 I must have been ready with my build kit.  About 30 minutes after 
 getting it into the garage, here she is:

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Aeropress review, ride report, and cycling legends.

[jinxed]

I'll but the first round then.

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[RBW] Re: A lugged steel boomerang? My Hillborne is back!

[jinxed]

>
> Bill...this is just an awesome story! I have never had a bike come back to 
> me although many would be welcome.
>

And for the record...your monstercross build is absolutely THE best!! I 
would have purchased the same frame a size down, but they had switched to 
sidepull by the time I was shopping. Oddly I ended up on a Hilsen which was 
sidepull too. But that got got traded for my AR. MAN I wish the Hilsen had 
come with cantis!!!

Really crazy that someone could have such a beauty hanging around and never 
build it!! It's like you put in cryogenic storage for deep space travel and 
now it's reached the galactic outpost and assigned a fresh mission!  

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Re: [RBW] New Albion Privateer - not the best face yet, but getting there

[Brewster Fong]

On Thursday, February 27, 2014 6:00:08 PM UTC-8, Evan Baird wrote:
>
> Just posted another build up here.
>
> http://newalbioncycles.blogspot.com/2014/02/privateer-build-for-gravelbikecom.html?m=1
>
> In all honesty, the Privateer is identical to the Pake C'mute, with a few 
> little tweaks that make it more versatile, and lighter tubing. I actually 
> owen a C'mute, and its a fine bike, but I think most would agree these look 
> nicer.
>
Dropped into one of my LBSs, American Cyclery, and they had an Albion on 
this display:
 
 
http://americancyclery.com/collections/frontpage/products/new-albion-homebrew
 
I was surprised by the use of dt shifters and asked if he sold alot of 
them. He said that integrated shifters will add at least another $100 to 
the price tag (current retail is $900), so yes, there are people who want a 
nice bike and don't mind dt shifters to save a few dollars.
 
Seems like a pretty good deal for $900! Good Luck! 

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[RBW] Re: Aeropress review, ride report, and cycling legends.

[Mike Schiller]

no warm water and big trees.   Let's just say I had a big smile on my 
face for 4 days

~mike

On Friday, February 28, 2014 9:14:43 AM UTC-8, jinxed wrote:
>
> HA! Does it involve barrels of ice water?
>
> On Friday, February 28, 2014 10:07:56 AM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote:
>>
>> great post Brad.  I remember Peter Post, he was a pretty good racer.   
>> Sounds like you had a great day out on your new bike.  
>>
>> and sometime, if we ever meet, I'll have to tell you a funny story 
>> about those Dutch Women's field hockey players!
>>
>> ~mike
>> Carlsbad Ca.
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: How many mountain bikes do you own?

[Steven Frederick]

I have 4, trail bikes, and there's not much overlap there. I've been trail
riding since before I discovered Rivendell, and I've always liked non-rivvy
mtbs, with suspension and all that.

I have a Soma Juice 29'er hardtail set up as a singlespeed, a custom Curtlo
softail 27.5'er (650b) softail for milder cross country, a Turner Burner
27.5er full suspension for bomber trails and riding over silly stuff, and a
Salsa Mukluk fatbike for winter riding and general fun.

Steve


On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 2:59 PM, Jeff Ong  wrote:

> I have a slightly ridiculous number of mountain bikes, although only a few
> of them regularly get taken off-road. I've got a long travel Santa Cruz
> Huckler and a modern (2005-ish) Klein Attitude hardtail. Having at least
> front suspension really does make a huge difference for modern, very
> aggressive trails, I've reluctantly decided. Also, I discovered that as a
> guy in my 40's, I recover a lot quicker if I ride suspended.
>
> That said, I've also got a MB-Zip which is ridiculously light and fun to
> ride, a very early fillet-brazed Mt. Goat, a nice mid-80's fillet brazed
> Ritchey, and an early 90's Alpinestars elevated chainstay bike that I
> converted to a ridiculous fixed gear after the derailleur hanger bent
> irreparably. Oh, and my daily rider (apart from my Rambouillet) is a mid
> 90's Voodoo Bizango converted to drop bars, with fender/rack mounts I
> brazed on myself. That one still sees quite a bit of dirt, too.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Evolution of your bike preference?

[Patrick Moore]

On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 10:55 AM, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:

> This should be a fun thread!
>>
>>
>
Indeed! I've acquired my preferences over almost 45 years of building my
own bikes -- my first complete build, not counting modifications egregious
or otherwise, was at age 15 in 1970 -- and modifying all the others, and
making all the mistakes with them that it is possible to make.

Long story short, I've come very much to like bikes designed and built for
particular uses -- the all rounder type bike is the least desirable in my
stable. But all the bikes have features and particularly fitting that is
very, very close across dedicated gofast smooth pavement bike to sandy dirt
road bike: low bbs, long stays, way-back saddle and a frame that
accommodates this position and this weight distribution, and the sort of
fit and handling that I can only define as what I've gotten from my 3 Grant
designed road customs (with the Grant-mandated fit: saddle back, bar up and
back, that cured some real weirdness in fit and handling at the time I
ordered my first Road). (I sometimes find this same "feel", at least as to
fit, on other bikes -- somewhat to my surprise -- but -- and this has been
consistent over almost 20 years of riding them -- every time I get back on
one of my Rivendells after extended affairs with other bikes, I feel as if
I've "come home". This applies to the 3 customs, but also largely to the
Ram, which isn't quite as "just right".

That said, all my other bikes are set up to mimic as much as possible the
fit and feel of the 2 remaining Riv Roads, with modifications according to
use. Even the Fargo has saddle height and setback (ie behind bb) identical
to those of the Roads, and bar reach the same, tho' higher bar.

But back to a bike for each use:

Gofast: no nod to usefulness; just gofast (that is a relative term),
particularly for climbing in a highish gear.

Commuter: Even though I no longer commute, my principal errand bike is just
like the gofast but has fatter tires, fenders when needed, rack and lights.
This bike was built 4 years after the Gofast and used for commuting for
several years until I stopped working in an office.

Errand: this one is a high end beater in my taxonomy and it has multiple
gears. This is the Ram, and it does much that the Commuter does, but I
don't need to worry about it as much and I can choose it when I am feeling
lazy (tho' I generally ride it in just one or two gears).

Off road, part A: dirt roads. Must have fat tires for sand and drop bars.
Currently this is the Fargo, but I'd love to afford a Hunquapillar.

Off road, part B: I should get a ss singletrack machine, probably 26".
Upright bar of some sort.

If I had more money than sense: I'd add a Rivendellian equivalent of a top
ed 1970s racing bike: long stays, shallow seat angle, that Rivendell fit
and feel and turn-in.

Oh hell, why not? A fatbike.

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Re: [RBW] SoCal February S240 poll.

[Hugh Smitham]

Tom,

You made me smile this morn. Thanks friend.

~Hugh

"Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving." -- Albert Einstein

http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Tom Virgil  wrote:

>
> In view of the Noachian event occurring in SoCal I believe we can declare
> the first weeks of March "virtual February" and avoid dampening the
> prospect of one S24O/month for 2014.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Tom
>
>
> On Thursday, February 27, 2014 11:59:05 AM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
>> Hey Guy's,
>>
>> Well I think it's about time to call this adventure off officially.
>> Mother nature has conspired to throw a wrench into our plans...as I type
>> this the sun is shinning and it's just gorgeous but we all know that can
>> change on a dime!
>>
>> I checked the NOAA site and a Hazardous Weather outlook is still in
>> effect. For those of you not in our southerly clime we are not faint of
>> heart, we are though not as prepared to contend with heavy rain, as when it
>> does rain here it's not a Seattle drizzle it dumps down hard and intense.
>> Then there's the fact that since we've been in a drought the earth is dry
>> and will become a muddy mess rapidly.
>> because our Northern friends have been a bogarting.
>>
>> Happy trails to you all.
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
>> moving." -- Albert Einstein
>>
>> http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 7:21 PM, Mike Schiller 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> the train up to Ventura  on 2/28 is 761
>>> train from Moorpark south is 784 leaves Moorpark at 324 pm
>>>
>>> guess I need to drag out my rain gear.
>>>
>>> We could add some distance Friday if it's muddy on dirt and go up 33
>>> aways. It's a  nice ride up there.
>>>
>>> ~mike
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 23, 2014 5:32:11 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>>>
 Curtis,

 What Mike said is correct we will be stopping in Ojai for food ect.

 Yes there is rain in the forecast but I'm preparing for rain and will
 ride and camp. If it does rain I think it would be wise to skip the Sulfur
 Mountain section as it'll be muddy. So we'd ride up the bike trail to Ojai
 then swing back down to Lake Casitas and camp. There is always the Ojai
 Rancho Inn if things go really side-ways.

 I'm planning on purchasing my Amtrak tickets from Burbank to Ventura
 and then Moorpark to Burbank. Mike what are the train numbers? Especially
 the Moorpark one. I'll buy them on Wednesday or Thursday.

 ~Hugh

 "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
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 On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Mike Schiller >>> > wrote:

>  I did't get out on the bike today.
>
> I'm sure we will be stopping for liquid refreshment and maybe some
> food too.
>
> ~mike
>
>
> On Sunday, February 23, 2014 4:35:58 PM UTC-8, Curtis wrote:
>
>> Mike,
>>
>> Were you riding on Manchester today?
>>
>> Also, do you think the group will be stopping for some supplies in
>> Ojai?  I do no want to run afoul of the collective.
>>
>> Curtis
>>
>> On Sunday, February 23, 2014, Mike Schiller 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> we will ride thru Ojai before camping on Friday night.  Plenty of
>>> food and other items available.
>>>
>>> ~mike
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 23, 2014 10:45:05 AM UTC-8, Curtis wrote:

 70 percent chance of rain for Friday.

 For planning purposes only.  Will we be going near a food store
 later in the day on Friday?  If so I may buy food at that time. If not 
 I
 will bring the needed calories.

 Thanks

 Curtis

 On Tuesday, February 18, 2014, Mike Schiller <
 mikey...@rocketmail.com> wrote:

> Did I miss an email?  A JTree overnight?   March is filling up
> fast.
>
> I'll be on the same train(s) with Curtis.  I would guess we will
> be there before 10am after loading up and the long ride under the 
> freeway
> to Rob's.
>
> ~mike
>
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Re: [RBW] A lugged steel boomerang? My Hillborne is back!

[Montclair BobbyB]

Yeah, but did you do the ol' "Lemme just ride it down the driveway before 
the chain is on or the brakes are connected, JUST to get that raw feeling 
of rolling on it"?  (I wanted to confirm I'm not the only crazy one).. 

On Friday, February 28, 2014 10:33:10 AM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> It helps knowing that everything is going to fit, since I've built this 
> very frameset three or four times already
>
> On Friday, February 28, 2014 6:01:49 AM UTC-8, Tim Gavin wrote:
>>
>> 30 minutes!  :)  I know how that is; I do the same when I receive a 
>> shipment of bike parts.  Tear into them!  
>>
>> Binge bike building!
>>
>> Congrats on the bike, and many happy returns!
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 11:57 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>>> I must have been ready with my build kit.  About 30 minutes after 
>>> getting it into the garage, here she is:
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: 9 to 8 speed worth it for better friction shifting?

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

I've friction shifted IGH hubs. It "works" sometimes.

On Friday, February 28, 2014 12:07:52 PM UTC-6, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>
> Since we're talking friction-shifting, I thought I'd ask again (cuz I do 
> this periodically): Anyone have any success friction-shifting an 
> internal-geared hub?  Yes yes, I know about potentially damaging the 
> internals if you're not quite 'in-gear', but I'd really like to figure out 
> a way to do this safely.   If you think about it, we get familiar enough 
> with friction-shifting derailleurs on feel alone, such that we never really 
> have to look down to know we've shifted into the right gear. Can we not get 
> the same kind of 'feel' from an IG hub, even if it requires over-shifting, 
> then settling back squarely onto the cog, so to speak???  
>
> There are some IG hubs (like the SRAM/Sachs Spectro and Dual Drive hubs) 
> that use a 'click box' with a push rod to 'switch' into the next 
> gear...(which I believe is different from moving the planetary gears 
> directly via cable movement, but I could be mistaken). The push-rod 
> mechanism seems almost like it's (in essence) already indexed within the 
> hub, and the cable movement via the clickbox merely causes the next shift. 
>  If this is the case, I suppose the between-gear problem could potentially 
> be a non-issue (than say with other types of IG hubs like the Alfine or 
> Nexus)... You just move the cable enough to force the next shift, and then 
> let up slightly??  Any insights from the Engineers/Intellectuals/Crazies in 
> this group whether this makes any sense?
>
> Maybe I should just do like the Mythbusters and go for it, risking life 
> and limb in the interest of bicycle science...
>
> BB
>
>
>
>  
>
> On Friday, February 28, 2014 1:28:05 AM UTC-5, Michael wrote:
>>
>> Update:
>>
>> I called RBW and they said it would definitely help to go to 8 speed 
>> cassette over the 9peed.
>>
>

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RE: [RBW] Re: 9 to 8 speed worth it for better friction shifting?

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Not sure if this is a relevant data point, Bobby, but the Rohloff shifter on my 
Stealth Bomba is nothing more than a cable puller – the indexing that is 
provided by the Alfine shifter actually resides, for the Rohloff, inside the 
hub.  (Exactly HOW it is provided for inside the hub is beyond my meager 
technical capabilities.)  So the Rohloff, it seems to me, is doing exactly what 
you’re talking about the SRAM/Sachs Spectro doing.  Also, the indexing shifters 
(like the Alfine) can get out of adjustment, which causes them to 
chatter/switch between gears (typically easy to fix/adjust with the barrel 
adjuster on the shift cable) – so it must be the case that you could do the 
same thing manually via friction shifting.

But why do you want to friction shift an IGH?  One of their big advantages is 
being able to shift while stopped (at a light, for example), and friction 
shifting an IGH would make it impossible to do that and know whether you’re 
really in gear (since, the bike being stopped, you’d have no cues from the 
noise or ghost shifting in the hub).  I must be missing something, but that’s 
my 2 cents.

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Montclair BobbyB
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 1:08 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: 9 to 8 speed worth it for better friction shifting?

Since we're talking friction-shifting, I thought I'd ask again (cuz I do this 
periodically): Anyone have any success friction-shifting an internal-geared 
hub?  Yes yes, I know about potentially damaging the internals if you're not 
quite 'in-gear', but I'd really like to figure out a way to do this safely.   
If you think about it, we get familiar enough with friction-shifting 
derailleurs on feel alone, such that we never really have to look down to know 
we've shifted into the right gear. Can we not get the same kind of 'feel' from 
an IG hub, even if it requires over-shifting, then settling back squarely onto 
the cog, so to speak???

There are some IG hubs (like the SRAM/Sachs Spectro and Dual Drive hubs) that 
use a 'click box' with a push rod to 'switch' into the next gear...(which I 
believe is different from moving the planetary gears directly via cable 
movement, but I could be mistaken). The push-rod mechanism seems almost like 
it's (in essence) already indexed within the hub, and the cable movement via 
the clickbox merely causes the next shift.  If this is the case, I suppose the 
between-gear problem could potentially be a non-issue (than say with other 
types of IG hubs like the Alfine or Nexus)... You just move the cable enough to 
force the next shift, and then let up slightly??  Any insights from the 
Engineers/Intellectuals/Crazies in this group whether this makes any sense?

Maybe I should just do like the Mythbusters and go for it, risking life and 
limb in the interest of bicycle science...

BB





On Friday, February 28, 2014 1:28:05 AM UTC-5, Michael wrote:
Update:

I called RBW and they said it would definitely help to go to 8 speed cassette 
over the 9peed.
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[RBW] Re: 9 to 8 speed worth it for better friction shifting?

[Montclair BobbyB]

Since we're talking friction-shifting, I thought I'd ask again (cuz I do 
this periodically): Anyone have any success friction-shifting an 
internal-geared hub?  Yes yes, I know about potentially damaging the 
internals if you're not quite 'in-gear', but I'd really like to figure out 
a way to do this safely.   If you think about it, we get familiar enough 
with friction-shifting derailleurs on feel alone, such that we never really 
have to look down to know we've shifted into the right gear. Can we not get 
the same kind of 'feel' from an IG hub, even if it requires over-shifting, 
then settling back squarely onto the cog, so to speak???  

There are some IG hubs (like the SRAM/Sachs Spectro and Dual Drive hubs) 
that use a 'click box' with a push rod to 'switch' into the next 
gear...(which I believe is different from moving the planetary gears 
directly via cable movement, but I could be mistaken). The push-rod 
mechanism seems almost like it's (in essence) already indexed within the 
hub, and the cable movement via the clickbox merely causes the next shift. 
 If this is the case, I suppose the between-gear problem could potentially 
be a non-issue (than say with other types of IG hubs like the Alfine or 
Nexus)... You just move the cable enough to force the next shift, and then 
let up slightly??  Any insights from the Engineers/Intellectuals/Crazies in 
this group whether this makes any sense?

Maybe I should just do like the Mythbusters and go for it, risking life and 
limb in the interest of bicycle science...

BB



 

On Friday, February 28, 2014 1:28:05 AM UTC-5, Michael wrote:
>
> Update:
>
> I called RBW and they said it would definitely help to go to 8 speed 
> cassette over the 9peed.
>

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[RBW] Re: Bleriot Frames FS

[Joe Bernard]

My Bleriot had slight bulging of the top-and-downtubes at the headtube 
junction, so I assume Peter White is referencing some deformation in that 
general area on Bleriot frames. Or not.
 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Friday, February 28, 2014 6:33:45 AM UTC-8, Michael wrote:

> Anyone know what this means,  and is it necessary?
>>
>  
>
>> "mill the head tube and 
>> fork crown with the Campagnolo cutters so a headset won't wear out in a 
>> few 
>> months"
>>
>
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[RBW] Re: Evolution of your bike preference?

[Chris Lampe 2]

>
> This should be a fun thread!
>  
>
I started out with normal kid's bikes in the 1970's that were mostly based 
on BMX designs.  At some point my parents bought matching 3-speeds and one 
of my goals was to be able to ride my dad's "giant" bike.  I did have one 
10-speed my parents got at K-Mart and I LOVED that bike until the 
"cassette" fell off a couple of miles from home and I had to walk it back.  
At some point I discovered I was big enough to ride my dad's 3-speed, which 
by this time was old and rusty, and I rode that bike until I turned 14 and 
got a motorcycle.  I did pick up a Murray or Roadmaster 10-speed right 
before my freshman year of college.  I knew nothing about how the gearing 
worked and probably didn't put 20 miles on it before leaving it in the 
backyard to rust away.  This was 1986.
 
Around 1993 or 1994 I got the wild notion that I wanted to get an adult 
bicycle.  I did some research and casually looked at catalogs and at some 
point got really serious and narrowed my choice down to a Trek 730 
Multitrack.  I was just starting graduate school and I quit my job of 7.5 
years (that I despised).  The day after I quit I drove 100 miles to the 
nearest large city and bought my 19" Trek 730.  I got REALLY into it 
and rode on a daily basis.  After about six months I decided I wanted a 
road bike so I bought a Raleigh R500 aluminum bike.   I was amazed by how 
light and fast it was and managed one 19 mile ride, my longest as an adult, 
before I decided road biking wasn't for me.  I sold it ASAP.  
 
I continued to ride that Trek 730 until 2007, when I decided it was time to 
"upgrade" to an aluminum hybrid.  I did my research and bought a Trek 7.2 
FX.  I was content riding that bike until 2011 or so when I followed a link 
to RBW from another website that has nothing to do with bicycles.  I 
started reading Grant's ideas and realized that I was already on board with 
many of them, like wider tires, higher bars, broad gearing range, etc...   
I decided to get my old 730 back from dad to test the steel vs aluminum 
difference.  The aluminum bike was sportier (stiffer?) and the steel bike 
was more comfortable.  I think a lot my decision came down to excitement 
about stripping down a steel frame, having it repainted, and then building 
it back up with new components.  
 
I then gave my old 730 back to my dad and started watching Craigslist and 
E-bay.  After three months of constant monitoring, a 1995 21" Trek 730 came 
for sale in the subdivision across the street from ours!  I bought it 
immediately and sold my 7.2 FX to finance a custom Rich Lesnik rear wheel 
and cassette.   
 
I rode the "new" 730 and continued really researching frame geometry.  I 
discovered that both of my 730's and even my 7.2 FX had what was 
essentially MTB geometry so I wanted to try "road" geometry.  Finding a 
bike with that geometry that would allow the use of canti brakes and wider 
tires took awhile but I finally found the Handsome Cycles Devil.  I bought 
the frameset and had it built up with new components I'd purchased.  I was 
thrilled with the bike for the first 6-9 months but then I watched Salsa's 
"So Far to Go" video and "Ride the Divide".  This sparked my interest in a 
more MTB oriented bike so I picked up used MTB's from the 80's and 90's and 
discovered I really like the 1995 Trek 820 with 55mm Big Apples.  
 
I was now sure about wanting a bike that would allow me to run BA's.  This 
precluded my Devil so the search began anew.  At first I decided that 
Velo-Orange's Camargue was the bike for me but it's trail of 56mm with a 
2.1" tire concerned me.  All of those Treks, including my 820, had trail in 
the 70's while my Devil was closer to the Camargue with 61mm of trail.   
 
I found an LBS that carries Surly products and test-rode a Karate Monkey 
and a Troll.  I continued to ride my Devil and my old 820.  Another issue I 
had to resolve was whether to switch to drop bars.  I put them to the test 
and they lost out.  It's MTB bars all the way for me.   
 
At this point I've basically discovered that I prefer a bike that rides 
like a mountain bike.  High trail measurements and shorter chainstays seem 
to do it for me.  I'm decided on selling the Devil and although I love 
riding the 820, newbikeitus is killing me.  Right now I'm contemplating 
whether to simply build up my 820 with the parts from the Devil, to buy a 
Troll or to buy an Ogre (equivalent in geometry to the KM).  As discussed 
in another thread here, I'm enamored with the 26" wheels but my long-term 
goals include riding long distances on dirt and I'm pretty well convinced 
that 700c tires are preferable in that role.  I think once I've saved the 
money for a new frameset I'm going back to the LBS and just doing a 
ride-off between the KM and the Troll.  It will pretty much be an 
apples-to-apples comparison and I'll order the frameset that wins out.  

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RE: [RBW] New Rear Racks

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

If you try to put one in your cart, “out of stock” message appears.  Bummer.

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Subject: [RBW] New Rear Racks

are in stock...

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[RBW] New Rear Racks

[Brian Campbell]

are in stock...
 
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Re: [RBW] New Albion Privateer - not the best face yet, but getting there

[Evan Baird]

I've tried that before, but it's too much to keep track of. I have a 
tendency to get sucked down the as it is, and it's just too much temptation.

On Friday, February 28, 2014 5:29:05 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> get the msgs delivered as email. I am reading this. I am reading this on a 
> rooted nook simple touch and you don't get a much worse touch screen than 
> this. K9 is my mail reader and opera mini the browser.
>
> Joe Bernard > wrote:
>>
>> Ain't *that* the truth. My attempts to do anything with it via 
>> smartphone touchscreen have been maddening. 
>>  
>> Joe Bernard
>> Vallejo, CA.
>>
>> On Thursday, February 27, 2014 6:01:59 PM UTC-8, Evan Baird wrote:
>>
>>> On a related note,Google groups is basically unusable without a 
>>> mechanical keyboard.
>>
>>  
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Re: [RBW] SoCal February S240 poll.

[Tom Virgil]

In view of the Noachian event occurring in SoCal I believe we can declare 
the first weeks of March "virtual February" and avoid dampening the 
prospect of one S24O/month for 2014.

Best regards,

Tom

On Thursday, February 27, 2014 11:59:05 AM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Hey Guy's,
>
> Well I think it's about time to call this adventure off officially. Mother 
> nature has conspired to throw a wrench into our plans...as I type this the 
> sun is shinning and it's just gorgeous but we all know that can change on a 
> dime!
>
> I checked the NOAA site and a Hazardous Weather outlook is still in 
> effect. For those of you not in our southerly clime we are not faint of 
> heart, we are though not as prepared to contend with heavy rain, as when it 
> does rain here it's not a Seattle drizzle it dumps down hard and intense. 
> Then there's the fact that since we've been in a drought the earth is dry 
> and will become a muddy mess rapidly. 
> because our Northern friends have been a bogarting. 
>
> Happy trails to you all.
>
> ~Hugh
>
> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>
> http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 7:21 PM, Mike Schiller 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> the train up to Ventura  on 2/28 is 761
>> train from Moorpark south is 784 leaves Moorpark at 324 pm
>>
>> guess I need to drag out my rain gear.
>>
>> We could add some distance Friday if it's muddy on dirt and go up 33 
>> aways. It's a  nice ride up there.
>>
>> ~mike
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, February 23, 2014 5:32:11 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>>> Curtis,
>>>
>>> What Mike said is correct we will be stopping in Ojai for food ect.
>>>
>>> Yes there is rain in the forecast but I'm preparing for rain and will 
>>> ride and camp. If it does rain I think it would be wise to skip the Sulfur 
>>> Mountain section as it'll be muddy. So we'd ride up the bike trail to Ojai 
>>> then swing back down to Lake Casitas and camp. There is always the Ojai 
>>> Rancho Inn if things go really side-ways.
>>>
>>> I'm planning on purchasing my Amtrak tickets from Burbank to Ventura and 
>>> then Moorpark to Burbank. Mike what are the train numbers? Especially the 
>>> Moorpark one. I'll buy them on Wednesday or Thursday.
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
>>>
>>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
>>> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>>>
>>> http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Mike Schiller 
>>> wrote:
>>>
  I did't get out on the bike today.   

 I'm sure we will be stopping for liquid refreshment and maybe some food 
 too.

 ~mike


 On Sunday, February 23, 2014 4:35:58 PM UTC-8, Curtis wrote:

> Mike,
>
> Were you riding on Manchester today?
>
> Also, do you think the group will be stopping for some supplies in 
> Ojai?  I do no want to run afoul of the collective.
>
> Curtis
>
> On Sunday, February 23, 2014, Mike Schiller  
> wrote:
>
>> we will ride thru Ojai before camping on Friday night.  Plenty of 
>> food and other items available.
>>
>> ~mike
>>
>> On Sunday, February 23, 2014 10:45:05 AM UTC-8, Curtis wrote:
>>>
>>> 70 percent chance of rain for Friday.
>>>
>>> For planning purposes only.  Will we be going near a food store 
>>> later in the day on Friday?  If so I may buy food at that time. If not 
>>> I 
>>> will bring the needed calories. 
>>>
>>> Thanks 
>>>
>>> Curtis
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 18, 2014, Mike Schiller <
>>> mikey...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Did I miss an email?  A JTree overnight?   March is filling up fast.

 I'll be on the same train(s) with Curtis.  I would guess we will be 
 there before 10am after loading up and the long ride under the freeway 
 to 
 Rob's.  

 ~mike


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[RBW] Re: Aeropress review, ride report, and cycling legends.

[jinxed]

HA! Does it involve barrels of ice water?

On Friday, February 28, 2014 10:07:56 AM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote:
>
> great post Brad.  I remember Peter Post, he was a pretty good racer.   
> Sounds like you had a great day out on your new bike.  
>
> and sometime, if we ever meet, I'll have to tell you a funny story 
> about those Dutch Women's field hockey players!
>
> ~mike
> Carlsbad Ca.
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[RBW] Evolution of your bike preference?

[jinxed]

Over the last couple weeks I have been fortunate to get out and ride each 
of the bikes in my stable. This offered some really surprising comparisons 
and conflicted some of my previous thoughts on each bike. My bikes are USA 
made and they're all steel, and I'm attached to all of them. They also 
happen to be different wheel sizes. 26" Riv AR, 650b OAC Rambler, 29" Spot 
MTB, and 700c Cross/race.

My biking trajectory was BMX - MTB - Cross - Road - and now is some sort of 
hybrid of all those. I was a staunch opponent of 29er and clung to 26" 
adamantly until I finally gave up and tried the larger wheel size. I had to 
eat a lot of crow when I enjoyed it. Since then I've never gone back to 26" 
off road, but still held on to romantic praise for it.

CX was just a natural offshoot of MTB when trying to ride on the road. 
Although I raced road bikes, I much preferred riding them in the dirt. My 
ultimate ride is a fast swoopy twisty turny jaunt through wooded 
singletrack on a CX bike. It's what my bike dreams are made of.

My first Rivendell was also my first 650b and it felt like a bridge between 
the MTB and CX. It seemed to be the true all round that perfectly fit the 
way I wanted to ride, and more importantly where I have the most access to 
ride. I have several dirt trails I prefer riding on, but I must take 
pavement to get there. I think the best aspect of the Rivendell line in 
it's entirety is that they do well in many types of terrain. Obviously age 
and life circumstances affect how and where I ride, but I find much more 
enjoyment out of the exploration type of riding I'm doing now. I attribute 
much of that to this list and the ideals behind the bike designs.

This brings me to my recent riding. If I had ranked my bikes based on 
mental attachment, it would have been AR, CX, 650b, 29er. But after riding 
them all back to back I realized my enjoyment of the ride of those bikes is 
a different sequence: 650b, CX, 29er, AR.

I'm surprised I prefer larger diameter wheels, because I refuse to admit 
26" is dead! But if I were to choose, 650 is the smallest platform I'd go 
to.

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[RBW] Re: Aeropress review, ride report, and cycling legends.

[Mike Schiller]

great post Brad.  I remember Peter Post, he was a pretty good racer.   
Sounds like you had a great day out on your new bike.  

and sometime, if we ever meet, I'll have to tell you a funny story 
about those Dutch Women's field hockey players!

~mike
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[RBW] Re: Bunyan Velo No. 4

[Bill]

Think of it as the cyclopublishing version of your LBS.  If you don't spend 
some cash there, there won't be a there in the future.

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[RBW] Re: OT-with minimal Riv content-I just want warm weather!!!

[Deacon Patrick]

Beautiful shots of the falls! I love the ice islands, which I presume are 
juts of rock that are ice covered?

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Mini-Beam

[Steven Frederick]

I'm glad you posted, David--I was concerned that the auction didn't mention
that this frame is made for 650b wheels, and I was worred that the buyer
might not be aware.  Since you're here, though, you probably know that!

I have a 52cm 650Beam-great little bike..welcome to the club!

Steve

In its natural habitat:




On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 10:54 PM, djbardwil  wrote:

> Well, I am thrilled to be the very lucky winner of the auction and admit
> my addiction to Rivendell.  I was a bit surprised that only one bid came
> through but it is a small frame and the dead of winter so the audience may
> have been limited.  Apparently, there are only 30 of these 50 cm QBs.  It
> should be a great project and I intend to take it slowly and thoughtfully
> as I've never built up a non-derailleur bicycle.  Initial thought was to
> possibly try out the Sturmey-Archer 2-speed Kickback hub as the basis of a
> wheel build and possibly a Sturmey-Archer crankset but I'll need to do some
> homework on gearing, spacing, chainline etc.  Nothing is set in stone at
> the moment and each component will be a new decision point but, barring the
> possible S-A components, it will clearly be a Rivendell build when it's
> done.
>
> I enjoy this group very much and value your input, stories, and
> camaraderie.  Photos will prove the project is underway!
>
> Thanks -
> David
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 9:52:50 PM UTC-5, Coconutbill wrote:
>>
>> One day...
>>>
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Re: [RBW] A lugged steel boomerang? My Hillborne is back!

[Bill Lindsay]

It helps knowing that everything is going to fit, since I've built this 
very frameset three or four times already

On Friday, February 28, 2014 6:01:49 AM UTC-8, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> 30 minutes!  :)  I know how that is; I do the same when I receive a 
> shipment of bike parts.  Tear into them!  
>
> Binge bike building!
>
> Congrats on the bike, and many happy returns!
>
> Tim
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 11:57 PM, Bill Lindsay 
> > wrote:
>
>> I must have been ready with my build kit.  About 30 minutes after getting 
>> it into the garage, here she is:
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: OT-with minimal Riv content-I just want warm weather!!!

[Ron Mc]

thanks for the photos - that's impressive

On Friday, February 28, 2014 8:44:01 AM UTC-6, blakcloud wrote:
>
> Since I live in Toronto, having Rivendell ship me anything is 
> prohibitively expensive. What I do is have it sent to a receiving agent in 
> Niagara Falls on the American side and I drive down and pick it up. This 
> time it was for a 12 cm Nitto stem for my Albatross bars and I bought a 
> Mark's rack for my Sam.
>
> After picking up my package we stopped to have a look at the falls and 
> take some photos. It was around -20 Celsius without windchill. Toronto can 
> be slightly warmer but not by much. I still commute by bike everyday but I 
> don't use my Riv, I use a Trek 
> Portlandwith
>  studded tires. 
>
> Here are the photos of Niagara 
> Falls
> .
>
> Looking forward to the spring where I find cycling much more pleasurable. 
>
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[RBW] Re: Can't wait for the temps to change..

[Ron Mc]

I love s. Texas winters - it's when we get out.  but Feb has been 
exceptionally nice - all our cold weather has been on weekdays, including 
this week, and every weekend had highs of 60 to 80, including this weekend. 
 You can throw stuff, but you won't reach me here.  

On Friday, February 28, 2014 7:59:53 AM UTC-6, Pondero wrote:
>
> You must admire a man who will step up and take action...
>
> Best wishes for a great trip, Rusty, especially if a thorough report and 
> photos are forthcoming.
>
>
> On Thursday, February 27, 2014 3:44:32 PM UTC-6, Rusty Click wrote:
>>
>> I've officially given up wishing for warmer weather to arrive.  It has 
>> been decided, here and now, that I am loading the Hillborne into the car, 
>> and heading to Florida.  I plan on arriving in the Jupiter/West Palm area 
>> on about the 14th.  I am hoping to ride a multi day north on the A1A, and a 
>> few S24O's, while basing out of a very good friends house in the area.
>> If any group members are in the area, let's meet and ride a bit. 
>>  Beaches, coffee shop, sunshine!  WooHoo!   Oh, and by the way, I'm staying 
>> on Jekyll Island 10th through 12th, if anyone is riding that area.
>>
>> Rusty
>> tired of the cold in Pittsburgh, PA
>>
>>

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[RBW] OT-with minimal Riv content-I just want warm weather!!!

[blakcloud]

Since I live in Toronto, having Rivendell ship me anything is prohibitively 
expensive. What I do is have it sent to a receiving agent in Niagara Falls 
on the American side and I drive down and pick it up. This time it was for 
a 12 cm Nitto stem for my Albatross bars and I bought a Mark's rack for my 
Sam.

After picking up my package we stopped to have a look at the falls and take 
some photos. It was around -20 Celsius without windchill. Toronto can be 
slightly warmer but not by much. I still commute by bike everyday but I 
don't use my Riv, I use a Trek 
Portlandwith 
studded tires. 

Here are the photos of Niagara 
Falls
.

Looking forward to the spring where I find cycling much more pleasurable. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ultra-cheap 65cm Redwood on the 'bay

[David Banzer]

I have. 65/66 really is my ideal size. 68 is probably too big. That is an 
intriguing offer though if it went for the opening bid, and he is offering 
to meet up to 200 miles, which makes it completely do-able for me to pick 
them up.
David

On Friday, February 28, 2014 8:14:41 AM UTC-6, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> David-
>
> You've seen this auction, right?  Three XXL tall bikes, sold as one lot:  
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tall-Huge-Big-XXL-XXXL-Rivendell-Panasonic-Cannondale-/151241231527?pt=US_Bicycles_Frames&hash=item2336ae0ca7
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 7:31 PM, David Banzer 
> > wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately it didn't go to me. I happened to be in a meeting, and was 
>> outbid and forgot to raise my max bid. Oh well. Since I did justify money 
>> for a new bike, I guess I'm on the hunt now.
>> David
>> Chicago
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[RBW] Re: Bleriot Frames FS

[Michael]

>
> Anyone know what this means,  and is it necessary?
>
 

> "mill the head tube and 
> fork crown with the Campagnolo cutters so a headset won't wear out in a 
> few 
> months"
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ultra-cheap 65cm Redwood on the 'bay

[Tim Gavin]

David-

You've seen this auction, right?  Three XXL tall bikes, sold as one lot:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tall-Huge-Big-XXL-XXXL-Rivendell-Panasonic-Cannondale-/151241231527?pt=US_Bicycles_Frames&hash=item2336ae0ca7


On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 7:31 PM, David Banzer  wrote:

> Unfortunately it didn't go to me. I happened to be in a meeting, and was
> outbid and forgot to raise my max bid. Oh well. Since I did justify money
> for a new bike, I guess I'm on the hunt now.
> David
> Chicago
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[RBW] Re: Reflection on S24O/Mo

[Pondero]

Oh my, since I missed out on February, Mike's idea sounds like total 
brilliance.

Chris
Sanger, TX

On Thursday, February 27, 2014 8:47:03 PM UTC-6, Mike Schiller wrote:
>
> my opinion is that if you miss one month double up the next month.   Maybe 
> even get ahead and do two months with two trips!
>
> If my wife didn't mind I'd be out on the trails for a week per month.
>
> ~mike
> Carlsbad Ca
>
> On Thursday, February 27, 2014 8:15:57 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Hughes almost two month journey in this endeavor and the challenge he’s 
>> having fitting in February’s S24O got me thinking on a number of fronts, 
>> and I’d love to hear other’s thoughts:
>>
>> — The intriguing thing to me about going at least once a month is the 
>> creativity and wonder and joy of experiencing beauty in all types of 
>> weather. Well, for me personally, I get that range already, so I don’t need 
>> the imposition of whether I go by bike, ski pulk, or for more than one 
>> night. If I accidentally accomplish it, then cool. Grin.
>>
>> — I have enough challenges that for me the idea of an imposed schedule 
>> would be a burden rather than a freedom, though I can easily see how the 
>> structure could lead to freedom for others.
>>
>> That’s as far as I’ve gotten and I’d love to hear your experience and 
>> thoughts.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org *
>> *www.OurHolyConception.org *
>>  
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Re: [RBW] A lugged steel boomerang? My Hillborne is back!

[Tim Gavin]

30 minutes!  :)  I know how that is; I do the same when I receive a
shipment of bike parts.  Tear into them!

Binge bike building!

Congrats on the bike, and many happy returns!

Tim


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> I must have been ready with my build kit.  About 30 minutes after getting
> it into the garage, here she is:
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[RBW] Re: Can't wait for the temps to change..

[Pondero]

You must admire a man who will step up and take action...

Best wishes for a great trip, Rusty, especially if a thorough report and 
photos are forthcoming.


On Thursday, February 27, 2014 3:44:32 PM UTC-6, Rusty Click wrote:
>
> I've officially given up wishing for warmer weather to arrive.  It has 
> been decided, here and now, that I am loading the Hillborne into the car, 
> and heading to Florida.  I plan on arriving in the Jupiter/West Palm area 
> on about the 14th.  I am hoping to ride a multi day north on the A1A, and a 
> few S24O's, while basing out of a very good friends house in the area.
> If any group members are in the area, let's meet and ride a bit.  Beaches, 
> coffee shop, sunshine!  WooHoo!   Oh, and by the way, I'm staying on Jekyll 
> Island 10th through 12th, if anyone is riding that area.
>
> Rusty
> tired of the cold in Pittsburgh, PA
>
>

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Re: [RBW] A lugged steel boomerang? My Hillborne is back!

[Peter Morgano]

I love that run of orange, great color.
On Feb 28, 2014 1:01 AM, "Evan"  wrote:

> Congratulations, Bill!  Somehow your Sam looks best in that third picture
> you posted. Must be the glow of reunion. Can't wait to see the build!
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[RBW] Re: Aeropress review, ride report, and cycling legends.

[Pondero]

Philip,

I first saw in on instagram, but here's the link...

http://bradclick.bigcartel.com/

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Re: [RBW] New Albion Privateer - not the best face yet, but getting there

[Steve Palincsar]

get the msgs delivered as email. I am reading this. I am reading this on a 
rooted nook simple touch and you don't get a much worse touch screen than this. 
K9 is my mail reader and opera mini the browser.

Joe Bernard  wrote:

>Ain't *that* the truth. My attempts to do anything with it via
>smartphone 
>touchscreen have been maddening. 
> 
>Joe Bernard
>Vallejo, CA.
>
>On Thursday, February 27, 2014 6:01:59 PM UTC-8, Evan Baird wrote:
>
>> On a related note,Google groups is basically unusable without a
>mechanical 
>> keyboard.
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[RBW] Re: Riv Chica Warrior Custom: the Build!

[Tony DeFilippo]

Looks like a great build and I can't wait to see those bosco's on that frame.  
I've got a supernova E3 pro2 as well, for the past year and it's a good light.  
If you get a chance try to look at one of the latest B&M Cyo Premium's 
though... I got one back in October and the difference is amazing, and it was 
cheaper than the supernova too!  (Irrelevant if you already have the other I 
know)

Its one if the rare cases of a true technology leap in a bike related component 
that I've seen in the short amount of time I've been paying attention.

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[RBW] Bleriot Frames FS

[Peter Pesce]

Sorry if there was any confusion. I posted this hastily when I saw it for the 
benefit of the group. 
The post appeared on a Google group called Bicycle Lifestyle that Peter White 
moderates. The original post is here:
https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/bicyclelifestyle/Pgk94osMy7A

For those of you who PM'd me, I am not the seller, though my name is Peter and 
the sellers name is Peter and my post was a bit cryptic so the confusion is 
understandable. You should contact Peter White directly. 

Thanks 
Pete in CT

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[RBW] Re: Riv Riders group on Chicago Chainlink

[Marc Irwin]

On Thursday, February 27, 2014 5:44:25 AM UTC-5, Marc Irwin wrote:
>
> I just opened a Rivendell Riders group on the Chainlink bulletin board in 
> Chicago.  I know there are a lot of Riv riders in the area from Grand 
> Rapids around the Lake to Milwaukee and it will hopefully give the area 
> people a chance to exchange ideas and get together occasionally.
>
> Marc
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Re: [RBW] New Albion Privateer - not the best face yet, but getting there

[Joe Bernard]

Ain't *that* the truth. My attempts to do anything with it via smartphone 
touchscreen have been maddening. 
 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

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[RBW] Re: Aeropress review, ride report, and cycling legends.

[Philip Williamson]

So cool! And I share a birthday with Peter Post. I've had a few great 
trailside (and cafe) bike geek-fests recently. They're very recharging. 
Do you have a link to the ACW mugs? I missed them somehow. 

Philip
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On Thursday, February 27, 2014 4:06:24 PM UTC-8, jinxed wrote:
>
> All rides are good rides...some rides are outstanding.
>
> I had an unexpectedly outstanding one today.
>
> Our temps and weather have been wavering the super cold / super nice line 
> seemingly every other day so when it's nice, I try to take advantage. Even 
> if it's just for a short jaunt. Well the forecast looked good for this 
> morning so I planned to run my errands on the bike today. GOOD call that.
>
> First off, I headed down to my local cafe to answer the call of the 
> Aeropress. I had seen them in the shop a while ago and the owner and I have 
> discussed them several times. For whatever reason I never took the plunge. 
> (see what I did there?) Recent events have my wife drinking decaf, so 
> lately I have been brewing solo cups, or firing up the espresso machine. 
> This paired with the recent talk of the famous coffee syringe pushed me 
> over the edge. I hit the shop, purchased my wares, drank a cuppa, and 
> headed out to the next stop.
>
> After 2 quick stops picking up shipping boxes and supplies for the ACW 
> mugs, I started for home. On a whim, I decided to take a small detour to 
> check out one of the dirt trails to see if it was close to dry from the 
> recent snowfall we've had. First off I discovered a cool spillway I had 
> ridden past a couple dozen times and never noticed. Then, as it turned out, 
> the trail was totally dry and rideable...and I was already there...and it 
> seemed a shame not to partakeso I took off!
>
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/42027576@N00/12822717885/in/photostream/lightbox/
>
> A few miles in, the dirt canal trail has a few single tracks that shoot 
> off into some denser wooded areas that I usually romp around on. Where the 
> main trail gets steady traffic, I'm lucky to see one or two people on the 
> singletrack. Today, I was rolling along through the twists and turns when I 
> decided to stop for a photo where the trees opened up. 
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/42027576@N00/12824281034/
>
> As I was getting back on the bike, a gentleman walking his dog approached 
> me. He said hello with an accent, and asked how I liked the VP-001 pedals 
> on my Rambler. He said he had the same ones on his bike. Well as you can 
> imagine we started geeking out on cycling for a solid 40 minutes. Pedals, 
> gearing, climbing, steel frames, racing, cyclocross, Dutch Womens Field 
> Hockey. You know...the usual. During the conversation I learn the 
> following: his name is Fons, he is from the Netherlands, he lives a couple 
> streets away from me, and he enjoyed watching cyclocross racing in 
> europeand he mentioned his brother was a "pretty good" cyclist. As I 
> left, I asked his brothers name so I could look him up. "Peter Post" he 
> says..."you'll see I look just like him!" And he does...but he failed to 
> mention his brother was “De Keizer van de Zesdaagse” The name rung a 
> bell, but I couldn't place it till I got home.
>
> HERE'S a link about Peter 
>
> I know this isn't the most race-centric crowd, but I very much enjoy the 
> old tales of the spring classics.
>
> As I was near home on my bike, he drove by with his dog and tooted his 
> horn waving out the window. I made a new friend in my hood! I'll hope to 
> toast over a pint some day and weave verbal tapestries of cycling stories!
>
> So once home and settled down from the excitement, I decided to fire up 
> the Aeropress and see what the fuss is about. There are plenty 
> more in-depth reviews than I'll give here, but I will say the thing is 
> impressive.
>
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/42027576@N00/12823290384/in/photostream/lightbox/
>  
> The things that stood out: 
>
>- I never realized it was made by the Aerobie people! I LOVE their 
>flying rings and have been playing with them for well over ten years! Glad 
>to continue support of the company. 
>- I assumed, but was happy to confirm it's a USA made product.
>- I also did not know it came with a bag, scoop, funnel, and holder 
>for the filters. Very nice kit indeed.
>- They say it's simple...but holy cow...it's REALLY simple!
>
> I don't know if I got lucky with my grinder setting, or the thing is just 
> forgiving, but following the directions my plunge took right at 20 seconds 
> with what seemed like appropriate pressure. I was VERY pleased with the cup 
> it made. To clarify I was using the same beans I drip or pour over brew 
> with and this method sure brewed a smoother, sweeter and very enjoyable 
> coffee. It's also comically easy to clean up which is bonus for on the bike 
> brewing.
>
> When you leave the house on a bike things have a way of

[RBW] Re: Riv Chica Warrior Custom: the Build!

[grant]

I LOVE the NeedL BlastR!
Brian's name for it, by the way. 
It's going to be fun, Liesl.

On Thursday, February 27, 2014 12:28:59 PM UTC-8, Liesl wrote:
>
> Hi Friends, the beginning is near; looks like Joe Bell will send the 
> custom frame to Riv around March 21.  Zownds!
>
> Here's the build I've worked up with able advice from Mark Abele:
>
> 26" Aerohead 32-hole rims
> SON28 Dyno up front (likely running an already existing Supernova)
> Phil Rivvy in back
> Big Bens
> Tange/IRD NeedL BlastR Roller Drive Headset
> Phil bottom bracket
> Paul Touring Canti's
> Paul Tall and Handsome Seat Post
> Brooks Champion Flyer Select
> Bullmoose Boscos
> Shimano MTP Silver brake levers
> Paul Thumbies
> Miesha Grips
> Sugino XD2 Double Wide Low with 170 cranks
> SRAM 9 speed cassette 11-34 teeth
> Claris Front Derailer
> Shimano XT or Deore Rear Derailer (undecided; opinions?)
> a kickstand, a few water bottle cages, Sackville Flaps
> and a friend is making locally-sourced cedar fenders with me back home!
>
> Now let the Committee Deliberations commence!
>
>

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[RBW] Bike Overnight Report: Battle Ground Lake (Clark County, WA), 25-26 Feb

[Shawn Granton]

Hello fine folk-

The weather was good for these parts, and I had two days off, so I headed 
'cross the river to Battle Ground Lake for a overnight bike camping trip. 
Full report on my blog:
http://urbanadventureleague.wordpress.com/2014/02/28/bike-overnight-bglake-25-feb-2014/

yours,
Shawn

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