Re: [RBW] All turned around bout rims [SOS Help!]

[Aaron Young]

Ditto on the summer ride, Hugh.

This 26" set will be for my "rough stuff" Koga Miyata Valley Runner.
Currently it's set up with Albatross bars, but I'm planning on going to
Albastache bars because I feel like I can be more aggressive on downhills
with the brakes up front.  I have regular moustache bars (Moustace
Classique?") on my Sam H. and I love those on downhills.  Ideally, the Koga
Miyata will also be my camping bike and might possibly do some touring
depending on how racked I can get it (and if I can ever get my act together
enough to actually do a tour). So wheels-wise I want to cover those bases.
 I was thinking the Velocity Atlas might be overkill so that's what lead me
to the Aeroheat.

-Aaron

On Thursday, May 8, 2014, Hugh Smitham  wrote:

> Hey Aaron,
>
> I did have a wheel set built.  DT Swiss rims 4_ _ ? double butted DT
> spokes SON 28 Black hub with an XT rear hub Black.  I originally wanted a
> set of Velocity Synergy's in black with MSW's but apparently they don't
> make the Synergy's in 26" so I went with the DT rims as they had a similar
> cross section to the Velocity's. The wheels are laced 32 front & rear as
> I'm about 155 lbs and don't figure on carrying excessive gear/weight (no
> more than 40lbs but more likely in the 30 lb range) and compromised with a
> bit less rotating weight. I'll get the specific's on the rim model later.
> I'd like to do my own build but life has conspired to limit my time these
> days.
>
> Which bike are your wheels intended for? Look forward to what you build
> and hope to get a ride in with you this Summer.
> On May 8, 2014 12:41 PM, "Aaron Young" 
> <1ce...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hugh,
>>
>> I just finished reading through this thread. But how does it end?  Did
>> you decide on a rim? Which one and what do you think of it?
>>
>> I'm resurrecting this thread because I'm researching 26" rims for my
>> first go at wheel building.  I was leaning toward the Aeroheat before
>> coming across this thread, and will likely go in that direction.
>>
>> Hope your wheels worked out well.
>>
>> -Aaron Young
>> The Dalles, OR
>>
>> On Thursday, January 16, 2014, Hugh Smitham 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I know Grant you are a chatty sort. But really thanks for the explanation
>> with some history behind it...history is always fun stuff in my book!
>> Lesson and all.
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
>> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>>
>> http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 10:23 PM, grant  wrote:
>>
>> The early mountain bikes had 32mm rims for the 50mm or so tires they had.
>> The tire and rim with were proportional. Mtn bike tire rims got skinnier
>> when Keith Bontrager (this is not a knock, he has been a hero) cut down
>> Mavic road rims (MA-2, 20.5mm) to mtn bike 26 size, and big rim  makers and
>> bike bike product managers wanted to be nearly as cool, so followed that
>> move and made skinnier rims, and we've never recovered.
>> The ISO (international standards org) recommends much rider rims than
>> almost anybody uses...for fat tires. They don't enforce rules or oversee or
>> anything. They're a bunch of engineers who recommend. The older wider rims
>> are more in line with their recs for fatter tires.
>>
>> The only drawback to a wider tire is weight. It holds a lower pressure
>> tire better, it provides slightly more height and width, and especially in
>> the case of a sidepull or centerpull, it gives a fatter tire a better
>> chance to escape btw the pads when the arms are released. With canti or V,
>> this isn't a big deal, but if the fork blades are wide and the   canti
>> posts are set wide and the rim is skinny, the pads will arc down at the
>> contact point, which...can't be great.
>>
>> Wider is also much stronger laterally, but...blah blah blah...
>>
>> I think in our catalogue we have tire recs for rim widths. I don't have
>> one here and I won't be within 122 miles of one for a few days, but
>> basically...if your tire is fat your rim should be...not skinny. I don't
>> think I'm surprising anybody with that statement, but I apologize for using
>> so many words to get to it.
>> G
>>
>> On Thursday, January 16, 2014 5:00:38 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> Hey I need the collective wisdom of this group. First, how does rim width
>> affect tires overall width, height, ride? Does it even make a difference
>> between 22.5 mm and 27.5 mm?
>>
>> What are your thoughts on these rims for a loaded tour/S240 rig:
>>
>> Sheldon Brown 26" rims .
>>
>> Which of these would you go for especially if your attempting to keep the
>> costs down? Other suggestions are welcome.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> ~Hugh
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Re: [RBW] Get your Rivendell water bottles!

[Philip Williamson]

I'm on PB Bike's side. You are in the wrong. 

You emailed a stranger to tell him what a jerk he was, then posted his private 
messages to you in a public forum, in order to laugh at him. By name, in 
public. 

Badly done.

Philip
www.biketinker.com

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[RBW] Re: How would your choice of Rivish Bike carry forward to your choice of automobile?

[Christopher Murray]

I think the obvious choice would be a classic VW Beetle- 1967 maybe? Easy to 
work on and very logical and straightforward. On my '67 the windshield washer 
fluid reservoir was pressurized by the spare tire. GENIUS!!

+1 on the Element. Spent many nights sleeping in the back of it with my bike 
right next to me. Up early and riding. I must say it is not great for a young, 
growing family. 

Also must give a shout-out to the Chevy Volt. An absolutely amazing piece of 
engineering that still makes me smile when I get behind the wheel. 

Cheers!
Chris

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Re: [RBW] Ring the Peak Birthday Ride

[Hugh Flynn]

Seems like the dictionary definition of a man who has it all. Very nice.

Thanks for posting pictures. That's one fine bike you have there!

Hugh Flynn
Newburyport, MA


On May 8, 2014, at 5:19 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:

> Headed out at 4am this morning sporting my new birthday light (B+M Ixon IQ). 
> Roads are wondrously quiet then! And thanks to the new light, brilliantly 
> illuminated as well. Plus, battery powered, so it works when in LCG up 25% 
> slopes. Grin.
> 
> The trails are now clear of snow, (my birthday tends to be a good marker of 
> this around here), so this was my first serious trail ride of the year (7.5 
> hours of riding). Highlights:
> 
> -- Bigfoot sports a mullet
> -- I rode higher gearing than I've ever ridden on these trails, though lower 
> than I'll have on my QB. I think these are too rocky and technical for the QB 
> anyway, but it's good to find out where I am in comparison.
> -- Forest thinning equipment is LOUD and carries a LONG way. Thankful for 
> earplugs. So much for remote solitude.
> -- Long rides feel god.
> -- Birthday rides increase appreciation for the bike I have and the bike 
> that's coming.
> -- Birthday rides are a wondrous time for reflection on the abundance of life 
> and love I've been blessed with so far and looking forward to another year of 
> wild adventure.
> -- Backroad connectors are brilliant ways to avoid congestion and brain 
> implosion on the highway, making rides like this possible (wife needn't drive 
> me to the trailhead!).
> -- Amazing homecomings are a great way to end a ride. Lassies (who weren't up 
> when I left) burst out the house and engulfed me upon my arrival.
> 
> Pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/sets/72157644582864445/
> 
> With abandon,
> Patrick
> 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
> www.OurHolyConception.org
> 
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[RBW] Re: Ring the Peak Birthday Ride

[Shoji Takahashi]

Happy Birthday Patrick, and many more. 


On Thursday, May 8, 2014 5:19:56 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Headed out at 4am this morning sporting my new birthday light (B+M Ixon 
> IQ). Roads are wondrously quiet then! And thanks to the new light, 
> brilliantly illuminated as well. Plus, battery powered, so it works when in 
> LCG up 25% slopes. Grin.
>
> The trails are now clear of snow, (my birthday tends to be a good marker 
> of this around here), so this was my first serious trail ride of the year 
> (7.5 hours of riding). Highlights:
>
> — Bigfoot sports a mullet
> — I rode higher gearing than I’ve ever ridden on these trails, though 
> lower than I’ll have on my QB. I think these are too rocky and technical 
> for the QB anyway, but it’s good to find out where I am in comparison.
> — Forest thinning equipment is LOUD and carries a LONG way. Thankful for 
> earplugs. So much for remote solitude.
> — Long rides feel god.
> — Birthday rides increase appreciation for the bike I have and the bike 
> that’s coming.
> — Birthday rides are a wondrous time for reflection on the abundance of 
> life and love I’ve been blessed with so far and looking forward to another 
> year of wild adventure.
> — Backroad connectors are brilliant ways to avoid congestion and brain 
> implosion on the highway, making rides like this possible (wife needn’t 
> drive me to the trailhead!).
> — Amazing homecomings are a great way to end a ride. Lassies (who weren’t 
> up when I left) burst out the house and engulfed me upon my arrival.
>
> Pictures: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/sets/72157644582864445/
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org *
> *www.OurHolyConception.org *
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: Ring the Peak Birthday Ride

[WETH]

A great set of photos and a wonderful way to start your birthday.  Many happy 
returns!

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[RBW] Re: Question about Bleriot selling...drops or Albas more likely to sell?

[Deacon Patrick]

Yes, indeed! This bunch is a wonderful gift!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, May 8, 2014 6:49:15 PM UTC-6, Michael wrote:
>
> This forum is like a Riv-bike consulting firm.
>>
> Great to have other folks in the know to consult.
>

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[RBW] Re: Question about Bleriot selling...drops or Albas more likely to sell?

[Michael]

>
> This forum is like a Riv-bike consulting firm.
>
Great to have other folks in the know to consult.

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[RBW] Re: Question about Bleriot selling...drops or Albas more likely to sell?

[Michael]

>
> Yes, I don't have the tool to remove it.
>
 
That makes sense to include bb with the crankset for sale. Good idea. 
Thanks for the pricing info, too.
 
Maybe I will wait a few more weeks before trying to sell it parted out, or 
try it on eBay complete first.
 
Thanks for all the great info. You guys are awesome.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dura Ace 7410 cranks -- Pretty!

[Joe Bernard]

A triple for Patrick?? A double-plus-8 is already 15 gears too many for him!

On Wednesday, May 7, 2014 9:31:27 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Thanks; but no need for a triple. I'll just run really big cogs -- am 
> thinking of perhaps 16-26.
>
> Patrick Moore
> iPhone
>
> On May 7, 2014, at 8:37 PM, Dave Johnston > 
> wrote:
>
> If you want to turn it into a triple I think Ted Durrant / Willow still 
> has some tripilzers for blow out prices.  You would of course need a longer 
> BB to use it as a triple though. I picked up a 40t Tripilizer for the 7410 
> crank I recently paid a lot more for. I also picked up a more practical 49t 
> outer ring for dirt cheap.
>
>
> -Dave
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[RBW] Re: Question about Bleriot selling...drops or Albas more likely to sell?

[Bill Lindsay]

No to the BB.

I'd wager a dollar that the person who wants to buy a used Bleriot will not 
want an external BB.  In fact, the person who buys your frame would 
probably go straight to the LBS and pay money to have a mechanic remove 
it.  So your frame is actually worth more without the BB than it is with 
it.  Are you throwing in the BB because you don't have the tool to remove 
it?

Your customer will likely want the brake calipers, though.  Few people have 
those super long reachers just laying around.  Go frame+fork+headset+brake 
calipers.  Include the BB with the crankset.  Maybe $80 I'm thinking.  
Maybe $50 for the RD and $25 for the FD.  The wheelset is tough, since the 
rims are mismatched.  Maybe offer them separately on here and on the 650B 
group page.  $100 for the rear and $50 for the front?  That would be a 
decent price for both sides I think.

On Thursday, May 8, 2014 12:47:44 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:
>
> Anyone know what I could ask for the derailers and wheels and crankset 
>> that would be fair?
>>
> I don't know how to price those.
>
> I would probably then sell it F/F/H/bb
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Hunqapillar

[David Stein]

This is actually my first bike with canti's with a center pull (all my road
bikes have had shimano 105 calipers). I spent way too long last night
trying to figure out how to get them to release so I could remove the tire,
in my defense it was dark, my dog was bullying me into playing fetch, and i
was trying to cook. Finally figured it out.

And on the blog they did have their own saddle on it, I supplied my own
Brooks Cambrium. I love that saddle, have been riding it on my road bike
for a few months, excited to have it on my trail bike. Though the brown
leather brooks looked better with the tan bar tape. Guess it won't matter
when my ass is in the seat and I'm riding. A little nervous about long term
wear on it, but only time will tell.


On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Ryan  wrote:

> OOPS...what Shoji said. I meant CX70 cantis.  Those are terrific brakes.
> I've had them on my X0-1 for a couple of years now. Almost thinking about
> getting another set for my AR which has circa 95 DeoreXT cantilevers with a
> similar profile. The new CX70's are really slick, though ...especially for
> ease of tire removalyes!!!
>
> On Wednesday, May 7, 2014 11:15:56 PM UTC-5, DS wrote:
>>
>> Hey how about that, that's my bike on the blug. There was another
>> Hunqapillar (also a single top tube) that was about to be built up to, so
>> unless it was the exact same size and build I'd say it's mine.
>>
>> I got another set of wheels and just put them on with my new compass
>> tires, it's 2 bikes in ones: http://imgur.com/a/yUfWG
>> Please ignore the fact that I store a dog bed in my fireplace. Space is
>> tight ;)
>>
>> Hopefully will have a bikepacking version in a few months. Three in one
>> special.
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 7, 2014 7:17:21 PM UTC-7, djbardwil wrote:
>>>
>>> Beautiful build and great color scheme - best of luck with it!  I am the
>>> same PBH and recently put a similar Brooks Cambium on my Atlantis and rode
>>> it in the NYC 5 Boro Tour this weekend.  I'd like to hear your experience
>>> once you've had some time on it.
>>>
>>> By the way - except for the saddle, is that not your new bike on the
>>> BLUG?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 7, 2014 10:01:56 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 Love the color, good call on that one! I think going down a size on
 off-road bikes is a good call. I've put the downhill foot down on an
 off-camber trail once too many times on a full-framed bike.

 Cheers,
 David

 "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal





 On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 6:58 PM, Montclair BobbyB 
 wrote:

> Hunqa-Hunqa burnin' love  wow!!
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 7, 2014 3:10:56 PM UTC-4, DS wrote:
>
>> Just picked up my new Hunqapillar yesterday from RBW:
>> http://imgur.com/a/hkcZf
>>
>> Ordered this guy in late January, beat the 4.5 month wait time by 1/3.
>>
>> Took it for a 10 mile spin around Oakland (paved), hoping to do a
>> longer 'inaugural' ride this weekend on some dirt, but could be a few 
>> weeks
>> due to some upcoming travel.
>>
>> Love the handlebar setup. I was super hesitant about it and made a
>> few posts, but mostly followed Patrick's advice (thanks Patrick!). The 
>> real
>> test will be on the trails. I'm coming from 10 years of road riding with
>> very little trail riding experience, I did about a dozen mountain bike
>> rides last year on a Salsa El Mariachi (which I Iater sold). Wish me 
>> luck.
>> Hope to make it out to China Camp July 12 if there is room.
>>
>> Better ride report coming when I hit the trails.
>>
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[RBW] Re: How would your choice of Rivish Bike carry forward to your choice of automobile?

[Frank Brose]

On Monday, May 5, 2014 10:47:34 PM UTC-5, Tom Virgil wrote:
>
> If you are going to say "I ride a Rivendell bicycle, I don't need an 
> automobile", God bless you.  Seriously.
>
> But, assuming that your obsessive, compulsive personality (I have one of 
> those) compels you to carry the threads of your pursuits to their extreme, 
> logical conclusions, I believe that there are some choices out there.  As 
> with our bicycles, they would not be obtained through "standard outlets".
>
> Just my opinion, but I think that as an Atlantis, A. Homer Hilsen, or Sam 
> Hillborne owner, you might gravitate to this.
>
>
> 
>
> Note that the owner has a beard (working on that for myself).  I heard 
> that the owner managed to convert the Seagrave fire truck engine to 
> propane, so perhaps that helps with fuel costs.
>
> There is really only one choice for the owner of a Hunqapillar.  The 
> Hummer would be much too yesterday's trendy.  To hades with the cost of 
> fuel or effort.  It must be a Dodge Power Wagon.
>
> 
>
> This bad boy will go anywhere you want, albeit with an unsynchonized 
> manual transmission.  Well, heck, we don't need no stinking SIS, do we?
>
> Betty Foy and Cheviot are more subtle.  They demonstrate a certain amount 
> of class and an attitude of nonchalance about girl's bike/boy's bike.  They 
> are nevertheless robust vehicles.  Not having one, my suggestion would be 
> the following.
>
>
> 
>
>
> I can only imagine Vancouver librarians rolling up to the book 
> repositories (or straight through them, if desired) in Canadian state 
> issued editions of these contrivances.
>
> ~Tom
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Goldfish Diablo S240

[Deacon Patrick]

Ha! That would be grand! Though it's just me and my dinky iPhone. I have 
camera envy when I see Manny's. But I sold my DSLR for all the brain energy 
it takes me to do what I want with it.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, May 8, 2014 5:46:28 PM UTC-6, dougP wrote:
>
> This gives me an idea:  we get Manny & Patrick on the same ride, taking 
> photos!  Oh, yea, they're 1,000 miles apart.  But it would be fun!  
>
> dougP
>
> On Thursday, May 8, 2014 2:29:29 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Brilliant greens and hills of flowers! That must be a wonder to ride 
>> through! Thanks, Manny, for showing me there can be more to trials than 
>> pinecones and pine needles. Grin.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 6, 2014 8:22:39 PM UTC-6, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>>>
>>> I've done more than my share of this ride before, but it's always 
>>> magical. Specially when you have great people to go with
>>>
>>> Rolled deep with 10+ folks.
>>> Hammock city at Juniper. 
>>> Backpack mtb riding. 
>>> Cheese and Spam musubi Dinner.
>>> Good times.
>>> Pictures Proved I'll be up here again next Tuesday:
>>> https://flic.kr/s/aHsjXSX4yJ
>>>  
>>> Manny " Any one riding the Amgen Tour de Cal on Tuesday?" Acosta
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Goldfish Diablo S240

[dougP]

This gives me an idea:  we get Manny & Patrick on the same ride, taking 
photos!  Oh, yea, they're 1,000 miles apart.  But it would be fun!  

dougP

On Thursday, May 8, 2014 2:29:29 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Brilliant greens and hills of flowers! That must be a wonder to ride 
> through! Thanks, Manny, for showing me there can be more to trials than 
> pinecones and pine needles. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Tuesday, May 6, 2014 8:22:39 PM UTC-6, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>>
>> I've done more than my share of this ride before, but it's always 
>> magical. Specially when you have great people to go with
>>
>> Rolled deep with 10+ folks.
>> Hammock city at Juniper. 
>> Backpack mtb riding. 
>> Cheese and Spam musubi Dinner.
>> Good times.
>> Pictures Proved I'll be up here again next Tuesday:
>> https://flic.kr/s/aHsjXSX4yJ
>>  
>> Manny " Any one riding the Amgen Tour de Cal on Tuesday?" Acosta
>>
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[RBW] Re: Ring the Peak Birthday Ride

[dougP]

Patrick:

Now that's a great way to celebrate a birthday!  Thanks for the photos.  
Among the many fun things on this forum are the pictures that inspire us to 
explore new territory.  

dougP

On Thursday, May 8, 2014 2:19:56 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Headed out at 4am this morning sporting my new birthday light (B+M Ixon 
> IQ). Roads are wondrously quiet then! And thanks to the new light, 
> brilliantly illuminated as well. Plus, battery powered, so it works when in 
> LCG up 25% slopes. Grin.
>
> The trails are now clear of snow, (my birthday tends to be a good marker 
> of this around here), so this was my first serious trail ride of the year 
> (7.5 hours of riding). Highlights:
>
> — Bigfoot sports a mullet
> — I rode higher gearing than I’ve ever ridden on these trails, though 
> lower than I’ll have on my QB. I think these are too rocky and technical 
> for the QB anyway, but it’s good to find out where I am in comparison.
> — Forest thinning equipment is LOUD and carries a LONG way. Thankful for 
> earplugs. So much for remote solitude.
> — Long rides feel god.
> — Birthday rides increase appreciation for the bike I have and the bike 
> that’s coming.
> — Birthday rides are a wondrous time for reflection on the abundance of 
> life and love I’ve been blessed with so far and looking forward to another 
> year of wild adventure.
> — Backroad connectors are brilliant ways to avoid congestion and brain 
> implosion on the highway, making rides like this possible (wife needn’t 
> drive me to the trailhead!).
> — Amazing homecomings are a great way to end a ride. Lassies (who weren’t 
> up when I left) burst out the house and engulfed me upon my arrival.
>
> Pictures: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/sets/72157644582864445/
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org *
> *www.OurHolyConception.org *
>  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: What is the advantage of expensive hubs?

[Anton Tutter]

On Thursday, May 8, 2014 11:56:28 AM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> I tried to grab an old school XTR off of eBay and someone outbid me with 2 
> seconds left.  :(  
>

Almost everyone uses proxy bidders, aka sniping software, to automatically 
bid at the last moment.  There were probably several snipes being made all 
in the last couple of seconds. You can't gauge how high something will go 
by what the current bid is.  It's irrelevant.   

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[RBW] Re: Question about Bleriot selling...drops or Albas more likely to sell?

[Evan]

P.S. On second thought: it's spring. Good time to sell a beautiful bike. 
Maybe give the whole bike a few more weeks on CL?



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Re: [RBW] Re: New Hunqapillar

[Ryan]

OOPS...what Shoji said. I meant CX70 cantis.  Those are terrific brakes. 
I've had them on my X0-1 for a couple of years now. Almost thinking about 
getting another set for my AR which has circa 95 DeoreXT cantilevers with a 
similar profile. The new CX70's are really slick, though ...especially for 
ease of tire removalyes!!!
On Wednesday, May 7, 2014 11:15:56 PM UTC-5, DS wrote: 
>
> Hey how about that, that's my bike on the blug. There was another 
> Hunqapillar (also a single top tube) that was about to be built up to, so 
> unless it was the exact same size and build I'd say it's mine. 
>
> I got another set of wheels and just put them on with my new compass 
> tires, it's 2 bikes in ones: http://imgur.com/a/yUfWG
> Please ignore the fact that I store a dog bed in my fireplace. Space is 
> tight ;)
>
> Hopefully will have a bikepacking version in a few months. Three in one 
> special.
>
> On Wednesday, May 7, 2014 7:17:21 PM UTC-7, djbardwil wrote: 
>>
>> Beautiful build and great color scheme - best of luck with it!  I am the 
>> same PBH and recently put a similar Brooks Cambium on my Atlantis and rode 
>> it in the NYC 5 Boro Tour this weekend.  I'd like to hear your experience 
>> once you've had some time on it. 
>>
>> By the way - except for the saddle, is that not your new bike on the BLUG?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 7, 2014 10:01:56 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: 
>>>
>>> Love the color, good call on that one! I think going down a size on 
>>> off-road bikes is a good call. I've put the downhill foot down on an 
>>> off-camber trail once too many times on a full-framed bike.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> David
>>>
>>> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 6:58 PM, Montclair BobbyB 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hunqa-Hunqa burnin' love  wow!! 


 On Wednesday, May 7, 2014 3:10:56 PM UTC-4, DS wrote:
  
> Just picked up my new Hunqapillar yesterday from RBW: 
> http://imgur.com/a/hkcZf
>
> Ordered this guy in late January, beat the 4.5 month wait time by 1/3.
>
> Took it for a 10 mile spin around Oakland (paved), hoping to do a 
> longer 'inaugural' ride this weekend on some dirt, but could be a few 
> weeks 
> due to some upcoming travel.
>
> Love the handlebar setup. I was super hesitant about it and made a few 
> posts, but mostly followed Patrick's advice (thanks Patrick!). The real 
> test will be on the trails. I'm coming from 10 years of road riding with 
> very little trail riding experience, I did about a dozen mountain bike 
> rides last year on a Salsa El Mariachi (which I Iater sold). Wish me 
> luck. 
> Hope to make it out to China Camp July 12 if there is room.
>
> Better ride report coming when I hit the trails.
>
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[RBW] Re: Question about Bleriot selling...drops or Albas more likely to sell?

[Evan]

To pile on: frame/fork/headset/bottom bracket may well be the way to go. 
Last year I saw a complete copper/orange Raleigh International sell on eBay 
for roughly $350. Since then I've seen International frame/forks, of 
similar or identical vintage and condition, selling for $500+.

Evan E.
SF, CA

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[RBW] Re: New Hunqapillar

[Ryan]

looks like your bike on the BLUG, but with a different saddle than in  the 
pictures you originally posted. Very classy build. I really like that 
green. It looks like those nice CR70 Shimano cantilevers that you're 
running. Am I right? Hope you enjoy it for many years and many happy miles. 
Ryan in Winnipeg
On Wednesday, May 7, 2014 4:13:12 PM UTC-5, DS wrote: 
>
> Good guess Shoji. The Hunqapillar frame is 48. For reference I am 5'7" 
> with a PBH that ranged between 79 and 81 (we used 80 as a measurement). 
>
> I test rode a 51 and loved it, tried to order that one, Brian talked me 
> into a 48. Was very nervous about that too. In the end I probably could 
> have gone either way and been fine. 48, the way it is setup, feels fine, 
> and offers more standover clearance which is good for the trails.
>
> On Wednesday, May 7, 2014 2:09:20 PM UTC-7, Shoji Takahashi wrote: 
>>
>> I'm guessing 48.
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 7, 2014 5:05:33 PM UTC-4, jandrews_nyc wrote: 
>>>
>>> Is that a 54?
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] All turned around bout rims [SOS Help!]

[Hugh Smitham]

Hey Aaron,

I did have a wheel set built.  DT Swiss rims 4_ _ ? double butted DT spokes
SON 28 Black hub with an XT rear hub Black.  I originally wanted a set of
Velocity Synergy's in black with MSW's but apparently they don't make the
Synergy's in 26" so I went with the DT rims as they had a similar cross
section to the Velocity's. The wheels are laced 32 front & rear as I'm
about 155 lbs and don't figure on carrying excessive gear/weight (no more
than 40lbs but more likely in the 30 lb range) and compromised with a bit
less rotating weight. I'll get the specific's on the rim model later. I'd
like to do my own build but life has conspired to limit my time these days.

Which bike are your wheels intended for? Look forward to what you build and
hope to get a ride in with you this Summer.
On May 8, 2014 12:41 PM, "Aaron Young" <1ce...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hugh,
>
> I just finished reading through this thread. But how does it end?  Did you
> decide on a rim? Which one and what do you think of it?
>
> I'm resurrecting this thread because I'm researching 26" rims for my first
> go at wheel building.  I was leaning toward the Aeroheat before coming
> across this thread, and will likely go in that direction.
>
> Hope your wheels worked out well.
>
> -Aaron Young
> The Dalles, OR
>
> On Thursday, January 16, 2014, Hugh Smitham  wrote:
>
>> I know Grant you are a chatty sort. But really thanks for the explanation
>> with some history behind it...history is always fun stuff in my book!
>> Lesson and all.
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
>> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>>
>> http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 10:23 PM, grant  wrote:
>>
>>> The early mountain bikes had 32mm rims for the 50mm or so tires they
>>> had. The tire and rim with were proportional. Mtn bike tire rims got
>>> skinnier when Keith Bontrager (this is not a knock, he has been a hero) cut
>>> down Mavic road rims (MA-2, 20.5mm) to mtn bike 26 size, and big rim
>>> makers and bike bike product managers wanted to be nearly as cool, so
>>> followed that move and made skinnier rims, and we've never recovered.
>>> The ISO (international standards org) recommends much rider rims than
>>> almost anybody uses...for fat tires. They don't enforce rules or oversee or
>>> anything. They're a bunch of engineers who recommend. The older wider rims
>>> are more in line with their recs for fatter tires.
>>>
>>> The only drawback to a wider tire is weight. It holds a lower pressure
>>> tire better, it provides slightly more height and width, and especially in
>>> the case of a sidepull or centerpull, it gives a fatter tire a better
>>> chance to escape btw the pads when the arms are released. With canti or V,
>>> this isn't a big deal, but if the fork blades are wide and the   canti
>>> posts are set wide and the rim is skinny, the pads will arc down at the
>>> contact point, which...can't be great.
>>>
>>> Wider is also much stronger laterally, but...blah blah blah...
>>>
>>> I think in our catalogue we have tire recs for rim widths. I don't have
>>> one here and I won't be within 122 miles of one for a few days, but
>>> basically...if your tire is fat your rim should be...not skinny. I don't
>>> think I'm surprising anybody with that statement, but I apologize for using
>>> so many words to get to it.
>>> G
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 16, 2014 5:00:38 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>>>
 Hey I need the collective wisdom of this group. First, how does rim
 width affect tires overall width, height, ride? Does it even make a
 difference between 22.5 mm and 27.5 mm?

 What are your thoughts on these rims for a loaded tour/S240 rig:

 Sheldon Brown 26" rims .

 Which of these would you go for especially if your attempting to keep
 the costs down? Other suggestions are welcome.

 Thanks,

 ~Hugh

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Re: [RBW] Get your Rivendell water bottles!

[Hugh Flynn]

PB*Bikes wrote:
> yeah haters be hat in,

For the most part, I'm with PB Bikes on this one. He can charge whatever he 
likes, and if people pay what he's asking, then so be it. It won't be me, but 
these are his decisions to make. 

Sure I'll continue to laugh a bit, but it's a free country on all sides.  

Shine on $100 water bottle guy, shine on. 

Hugh "still hate ebay" Flynn
Newburyport, MA




On May 8, 2014, at 5:53 PM, Jim Bronson wrote:

> Haha
> 
> "yeah haters be hatin, I love bikes as much as anyone else.  i search the 
> world for this gear, the xt xtr stuff was imported and it wasnt cheap. 
> 
> you rivs and bfs can ball all yoou want about prices.  
> 
> What it really comes down to is, even if i wanted to sell more, theres 2 of 
> us, so when I drop the prices, we cant handle the volume of sales and end up 
> witha bunch of buttholes buying.  Its always the cheapsters that make the 
> most problem, If i gave someone a set of xtr nos hubs for $100 , theyd 
> complain about something.  Its the nature of bf and probably the riv and 
> ibob, I mostly read the cr list and know peter and lost of those cool 
> builders.  
> 
> When you guys talk shite, think about last year, i stepped up and between 
> cash donation and what I auction for charity, kicked about $1800 to make a 
> wish at bamf.  What you do? The thing i dont do is criticize people for their 
> own personal stuff. I mean what .org do you work for. I run and ecologically 
> viable reused business. Nothing is manufactured right now in china, its 
> searched out , laboriously, invested heavily, risk assesed .   
> 
> I get messages like this all the time. well you guys talk about me at least, 
> too bad most dont the first thing about econ it seams or act like they run 
> their life like a non profit but probably work for some horrible publicly 
> traded company. 
> 
> Glad you had the time to send your negative bs cause you are stuck in the 
> thought pattern that auctions have any bearing on market value, 90% of nos in 
> cycling via ebay is BIN store, you can buy from rivs, swaps, mom and pops, 
> etc.  That another thing i dont do, compete with bike shops in my area like 
> so many others that open up next to each other. Im not selling food, you dont 
> need anything i have.  
> 
> Im having a hard time, one of dogs almost died yesterday and all that xt 
> money make is gonna be gone to the vet. So your message was great , hope you 
> do something that makes  difference for real in the world. man, i export to 
> china, who does that?
> 
> - pb*bikes"
> 
> 
> On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 4:52 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:
> An '87 Paramount is a nice bike.  I would pay good money for it.  In fact 
> there's a huge late 80s Paramont at East Side Pedal Pushers in Austin I would 
> like to have if money was no object.  The guy who owns it works there and is 
> about the same height as me.
> 
> But there are people trying to sell crappy 80s bikes for good money all the 
> time on CL.  That does bother me. Shameless hucksters.  The world is full of 
> them.  I wonder what I could sell my gas pipe Nishiki for?  Certainly more 
> than I would be willing to pay for it.  But anyway.
> 
> 
> On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> I was on the other end.  I bought that 1987 used Schwinn Paramountain on 
> craigslist for $400.  I did the overhaul and put another $400 of parts on it 
> (B17, bosco bullmoose, thumbie shifters, brakepads + cables, chain, 3 
> chainrings).  I did the build so that it would be dialed for me.  When my 
> wife busted me, I told her it was for the Elementary School bike auction, and 
> I tried to sell it for $600.  I got yelled at by two different people telling 
> me what a jerk I was for asking $600 for that bike.  I cheerfully asked each 
> of them what they thought was a fair price.  Both were under $200.  Needless 
> to say, I didn't sell to them, but they left absolutely convinced that I'm a 
> crook.  My wife shook her head and said "so you're keeping it, huh?  
> surprise, surprise!"
> 
> 
> On Thursday, May 8, 2014 2:20:35 PM UTC-7, Hugh Flynn wrote:
> This is the same guy currently offering 1 pair of velox plugs for $30 right? 
> 
> Reminds me of the guys who use to populate rec.bike.forsale (or what ever it 
> was) selling carbon cranks at outrageous prices and routinely getting in 
> fights with anyone who questioned their sky high prices and abusive public 
> demeanor.  One suspects there is more at play with these people than simple 
> logic will reveal, so it's probably best to not feed the trolls with the 
> attention they seem to crave. 
> 
> If someone were to offer me $100 for any water bottle currently in my 
> possession or $30 for any of my NOS velox plugs, I would surely comply with 
> the request. I do, however, have a hard time believing that a person willing 
> to make such an offer actually exists. 
> 
> Hugh "ebay makes my skin crawl" Flynn
> Newburyport, MA
> 
> On May 8, 2014, at 4:32 PM

Re: [RBW] Get your Rivendell water bottles!

[Hugh Flynn]

Jim Bronson wrote:

> Needless to say, I didn't sell to them, but they left absolutely convinced 
> that I'm a crook. 

I think we've probably all been there at one time or another. The difference in 
this case, however, is context. In the situation you've outlined, you were 
trying to sell (albeit not to aggressively :-) something to an audience who 
knew nothing of the object or its relative worth.  Not surprisingly, they found 
your price to be outrageous. 

In this particular case, I think we can safely assume that the audience in this 
forum DOES know something about the objects for sale and has some justification 
for finding the asking prices to be out of line. I, for one, am a nationally 
recognized expert in vintage Rivendell plastic water bottles - so don't try to 
pull anything over on me man. 

I am, however, inclined to say that calling PB Bikes out for being silly will 
only invite argument. Buy or do not. That is all that matters in this context. 

Hugh Flynn
Newburyport, MA

 
On May 8, 2014, at 5:46 PM, Jim Bronson wrote:

> I know it sound strange to say but I actually have better luck with foreign 
> sellers on eBay.  Because they're the folks that are seeking to take Walmart 
> out of the equation and sell direct to first world buyers.  I have no problem 
> buying stuff direct from China. Hong Kong, Singapore, etc, for cheap on eBay. 
>  If it never shows up, oh well, I'm not out much money anyway.  But so far 
> I've had pretty good luck.
> 
> 
> On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 4:38 PM, Hugh Flynn  wrote:
> I have to look away. I just came across a PB Bike listing for $225 Campag 10 
> speed front hub that states it can be used with 9 and 11 speed as well. 
> 
> Such a train wreck. 
> 
> Must stop looking.
> 
> Hugh "still dislike ebay" Flynn
> Newburyport, MA 
> 
> 
> On May 8, 2014, at 5:20 PM, Hugh Flynn wrote:
> 
>> This is the same guy currently offering 1 pair of velox plugs for $30 right? 
>> 
>> Reminds me of the guys who use to populate rec.bike.forsale (or what ever it 
>> was) selling carbon cranks at outrageous prices and routinely getting in 
>> fights with anyone who questioned their sky high prices and abusive public 
>> demeanor.  One suspects there is more at play with these people than simple 
>> logic will reveal, so it's probably best to not feed the trolls with the 
>> attention they seem to crave. 
>> 
>> If someone were to offer me $100 for any water bottle currently in my 
>> possession or $30 for any of my NOS velox plugs, I would surely comply with 
>> the request. I do, however, have a hard time believing that a person willing 
>> to make such an offer actually exists. 
>> 
>> Hugh "ebay makes my skin crawl" Flynn
>> Newburyport, MA
>> 
>> On May 8, 2014, at 4:32 PM, Jim Bronson wrote:
>> 
>>> Got into it with this guy today over his $200 M737 XT hubs...lol
>>> 
>>> "dude i sell these like crazy, back off you dont know what your talking 
>>> aboutnos is 10% auction right now , so those fight it prices dont mean 
>>> squat, they mean 3 people were awake and needed.  Why waste your time 
>>> telling me, ive sold 40 in the last few years, sets, xtr, etc.   look at my 
>>> solds and ive been closed for 2 days before you tell me what the markets 
>>> about"
>>> 
>>> ROFL
>>> 
>>> But anyway.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Peter Morgano  
>>> wrote:
>>> I was wrong, it's only 15% off, still a hot deal though!
>>> 
>>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/RIVENDELL-WATER-BOTTLE-BIDON-MADE-BY-SPECIALIZED-LARGE-GREEN-/310940844287?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item486584c0ff
>>> 
>>> On Apr 25, 2014 12:13 AM, "Peter Morgano"  wrote:
>>> Dude I have a feeling if you hold out it might go 20% off!
>>> 
>>> On Apr 25, 2014 12:05 AM, "rcnute"  wrote:
>>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/RIVENDELL-WATER-BOTTLE-BIDON-MADE-BY-SPECIALIZED-LARGE-GREEN-/310940844287?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item486584c0ff
>>> 
>>> Ryan
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Re: [RBW] Get your Rivendell water bottles!

[Jim Bronson]

Haha

"yeah haters be hatin, I love bikes as much as anyone else. i search the
world for this gear, the xt xtr stuff was imported and it wasnt cheap.

you rivs and bfs can ball all yoou want about prices.

What it really comes down to is, even if i wanted to sell more, theres 2 of
us, so when I drop the prices, we cant handle the volume of sales and end
up witha bunch of buttholes buying. Its always the cheapsters that make the
most problem, If i gave someone a set of xtr nos hubs for $100 , theyd
complain about something. Its the nature of bf and probably the riv and
ibob, I mostly read the cr list and know peter and lost of those cool
builders.

When you guys talk shite, think about last year, i stepped up and between
cash donation and what I auction for charity, kicked about $1800 to make a
wish at bamf. What you do? The thing i dont do is criticize people for
their own personal stuff. I mean what .org do you work for. I run and
ecologically viable reused business. Nothing is manufactured right now in
china, its searched out , laboriously, invested heavily, risk assesed .

I get messages like this all the time. well you guys talk about me at
least, too bad most dont the first thing about econ it seams or act like
they run their life like a non profit but probably work for some horrible
publicly traded company.

Glad you had the time to send your negative bs cause you are stuck in the
thought pattern that auctions have any bearing on market value, 90% of nos
in cycling via ebay is BIN store, you can buy from rivs, swaps, mom and
pops, etc. That another thing i dont do, compete with bike shops in my area
like so many others that open up next to each other. Im not selling food,
you dont need anything i have.

Im having a hard time, one of dogs almost died yesterday and all that xt
money make is gonna be gone to the vet. So your message was great , hope
you do something that makes difference for real in the world. man, i export
to china, who does that?

- pb*bikes"


On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 4:52 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:

> An '87 Paramount is a nice bike.  I would pay good money for it.  In fact
> there's a huge late 80s Paramont at East Side Pedal Pushers in Austin I
> would like to have if money was no object.  The guy who owns it works there
> and is about the same height as me.
>
> But there are people trying to sell crappy 80s bikes for good money all
> the time on CL.  That does bother me. Shameless hucksters.  The world is
> full of them.  I wonder what I could sell my gas pipe Nishiki for?
>  Certainly more than I would be willing to pay for it.  But anyway.
>
>
> On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> I was on the other end.  I bought that 1987 used Schwinn Paramountain on
>> craigslist for $400.  I did the overhaul and put another $400 of parts on
>> it (B17, bosco bullmoose, thumbie shifters, brakepads + cables, chain, 3
>> chainrings).  I did the build so that it would be dialed for me.  When my
>> wife busted me, I told her it was for the Elementary School bike auction,
>> and I tried to sell it for $600.  I got yelled at by two different people
>> telling me what a jerk I was for asking $600 for that bike.  I cheerfully
>> asked each of them what they thought was a fair price.  Both were under
>> $200.  Needless to say, I didn't sell to them, but they left absolutely
>> convinced that I'm a crook.  My wife shook her head and said "so you're
>> keeping it, huh?  surprise, surprise!"
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, May 8, 2014 2:20:35 PM UTC-7, Hugh Flynn wrote:
>>
>>> This is the same guy currently offering 1 pair of velox plugs for $30
>>> right?
>>>
>>> Reminds me of the guys who use to populate rec.bike.forsale (or what
>>> ever it was) selling carbon cranks at outrageous prices and routinely
>>> getting in fights with anyone who questioned their sky high prices and
>>> abusive public demeanor.  One suspects there is more at play with these
>>> people than simple logic will reveal, so it's probably best to not feed the
>>> trolls with the attention they seem to crave.
>>>
>>> If someone were to offer me $100 for any water bottle currently in my
>>> possession or $30 for any of my NOS velox plugs, I would surely comply with
>>> the request. I do, however, have a hard time believing that a person
>>> willing to make such an offer actually exists.
>>>
>>> Hugh "ebay makes my skin crawl" Flynn
>>> Newburyport, MA
>>>
>>> On May 8, 2014, at 4:32 PM, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>>
>>> Got into it with this guy today over his $200 M737 XT hubs...lol
>>>
>>> "dude i sell these like crazy, back off you dont know what your talking
>>> about nos is 10% auction right now , so those fight it prices dont mean
>>> squat, they mean 3 people were awake and needed. Why waste your time
>>> telling me, ive sold 40 in the last few years, sets, xtr, etc. look at my
>>> solds and ive been closed for 2 days before you tell me what the markets
>>> about"
>>>
>>> ROFL
>>>
>>> But anyway.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 25, 20

Re: [RBW] Get your Rivendell water bottles!

[Jim Bronson]

An '87 Paramount is a nice bike.  I would pay good money for it.  In fact
there's a huge late 80s Paramont at East Side Pedal Pushers in Austin I
would like to have if money was no object.  The guy who owns it works there
and is about the same height as me.

But there are people trying to sell crappy 80s bikes for good money all the
time on CL.  That does bother me. Shameless hucksters.  The world is full
of them.  I wonder what I could sell my gas pipe Nishiki for?  Certainly
more than I would be willing to pay for it.  But anyway.


On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> I was on the other end.  I bought that 1987 used Schwinn Paramountain on
> craigslist for $400.  I did the overhaul and put another $400 of parts on
> it (B17, bosco bullmoose, thumbie shifters, brakepads + cables, chain, 3
> chainrings).  I did the build so that it would be dialed for me.  When my
> wife busted me, I told her it was for the Elementary School bike auction,
> and I tried to sell it for $600.  I got yelled at by two different people
> telling me what a jerk I was for asking $600 for that bike.  I cheerfully
> asked each of them what they thought was a fair price.  Both were under
> $200.  Needless to say, I didn't sell to them, but they left absolutely
> convinced that I'm a crook.  My wife shook her head and said "so you're
> keeping it, huh?  surprise, surprise!"
>
>
> On Thursday, May 8, 2014 2:20:35 PM UTC-7, Hugh Flynn wrote:
>
>> This is the same guy currently offering 1 pair of velox plugs for $30
>> right?
>>
>> Reminds me of the guys who use to populate rec.bike.forsale (or what ever
>> it was) selling carbon cranks at outrageous prices and routinely getting in
>> fights with anyone who questioned their sky high prices and abusive public
>> demeanor.  One suspects there is more at play with these people than simple
>> logic will reveal, so it's probably best to not feed the trolls with the
>> attention they seem to crave.
>>
>> If someone were to offer me $100 for any water bottle currently in my
>> possession or $30 for any of my NOS velox plugs, I would surely comply with
>> the request. I do, however, have a hard time believing that a person
>> willing to make such an offer actually exists.
>>
>> Hugh "ebay makes my skin crawl" Flynn
>> Newburyport, MA
>>
>> On May 8, 2014, at 4:32 PM, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>
>> Got into it with this guy today over his $200 M737 XT hubs...lol
>>
>> "dude i sell these like crazy, back off you dont know what your talking
>> about nos is 10% auction right now , so those fight it prices dont mean
>> squat, they mean 3 people were awake and needed. Why waste your time
>> telling me, ive sold 40 in the last few years, sets, xtr, etc. look at my
>> solds and ive been closed for 2 days before you tell me what the markets
>> about"
>>
>> ROFL
>>
>> But anyway.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Peter Morgano wrote:
>>
>>> I was wrong, it's only 15% off, still a hot deal though!
>>>
>>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/RIVENDELL-WATER-BOTTLE-BIDON-
>>> MADE-BY-SPECIALIZED-LARGE-GREEN-/310940844287?pt=LH_
>>> DefaultDomain_0&hash=item486584c0ff
>>>  On Apr 25, 2014 12:13 AM, "Peter Morgano"  wrote:
>>>
 Dude I have a feeling if you hold out it might go 20% off!
 On Apr 25, 2014 12:05 AM, "rcnute"  wrote:

>  http://www.ebay.com/itm/RIVENDELL-WATER-BOTTLE-BIDON-
> MADE-BY-SPECIALIZED-LARGE-GREEN-/310940844287?pt=LH_
> DefaultDomain_0&hash=item486584c0ff
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Re: [RBW] Get your Rivendell water bottles!

[Jim Bronson]

I know it sound strange to say but I actually have better luck with foreign
sellers on eBay.  Because they're the folks that are seeking to take
Walmart out of the equation and sell direct to first world buyers.  I have
no problem buying stuff direct from China. Hong Kong, Singapore, etc, for
cheap on eBay.  If it never shows up, oh well, I'm not out much money
anyway.  But so far I've had pretty good luck.


On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 4:38 PM, Hugh Flynn  wrote:

> I have to look away. I just came across a PB Bike listing for $225 Campag
> 10 speed *front* hub that states it can be used with 9 and 11 speed as
> well.
>
> Such a train wreck.
>
> Must stop looking.
>
> Hugh "still dislike ebay" Flynn
> Newburyport, MA
>
>
> On May 8, 2014, at 5:20 PM, Hugh Flynn wrote:
>
> This is the same guy currently offering 1 pair of velox plugs for $30
> right?
>
> Reminds me of the guys who use to populate rec.bike.forsale (or what ever
> it was) selling carbon cranks at outrageous prices and routinely getting in
> fights with anyone who questioned their sky high prices and abusive public
> demeanor.  One suspects there is more at play with these people than simple
> logic will reveal, so it's probably best to not feed the trolls with the
> attention they seem to crave.
>
> If someone were to offer me $100 for any water bottle currently in my
> possession or $30 for any of my NOS velox plugs, I would surely comply with
> the request. I do, however, have a hard time believing that a person
> willing to make such an offer actually exists.
>
> Hugh "ebay makes my skin crawl" Flynn
> Newburyport, MA
>
> On May 8, 2014, at 4:32 PM, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> Got into it with this guy today over his $200 M737 XT hubs...lol
>
> "dude i sell these like crazy, back off you dont know what your talking
> about nos is 10% auction right now , so those fight it prices dont mean
> squat, they mean 3 people were awake and needed. Why waste your time
> telling me, ive sold 40 in the last few years, sets, xtr, etc. look at my
> solds and ive been closed for 2 days before you tell me what the markets
> about"
>
> ROFL
>
> But anyway.
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Peter Morgano wrote:
>
>> I was wrong, it's only 15% off, still a hot deal though!
>>
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/RIVENDELL-WATER-BOTTLE-BIDON-MADE-BY-SPECIALIZED-LARGE-GREEN-/310940844287?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item486584c0ff
>>  On Apr 25, 2014 12:13 AM, "Peter Morgano" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dude I have a feeling if you hold out it might go 20% off!
>>> On Apr 25, 2014 12:05 AM, "rcnute"  wrote:
>>>

 http://www.ebay.com/itm/RIVENDELL-WATER-BOTTLE-BIDON-MADE-BY-SPECIALIZED-LARGE-GREEN-/310940844287?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item486584c0ff

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Re: [RBW] Get your Rivendell water bottles!

[Jim Bronson]

well it started like this

* Dear pb*bikes,*

One of these sold yesterday for $44 plus $7 shipping. It was also NOS. I
can wait for the next one to come up. Or just get a new XT T780 in the
$50-$60 range; won't be quite as shiny but oh well...

Maxi Car hubs are vintage. This is not vintage. It's 10 speed compatible,
for crying out loud. As far as I can tell, you're just trying to see who's
a sucker for bright sliver which seems to be out of style these days. But
hopefully there are enough of these around so that nobody would be tempted
to take your offer.

For $200 you could get a used boutique hub like a Chris King or Phil Wood.
But anyway.


On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> what did you say to him?  did you offer to buy at a lower price or did you
> just tell him his price was too high?
>
>
> On Thursday, May 8, 2014 1:32:39 PM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
>> Got into it with this guy today over his $200 M737 XT hubs...lol
>>
>> "dude i sell these like crazy, back off you dont know what your talking
>> about nos is 10% auction right now , so those fight it prices dont mean
>> squat, they mean 3 people were awake and needed. Why waste your time
>> telling me, ive sold 40 in the last few years, sets, xtr, etc. look at my
>> solds and ive been closed for 2 days before you tell me what the markets
>> about"
>>
>> ROFL
>>
>> But anyway.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Peter Morgano wrote:
>>
>>> I was wrong, it's only 15% off, still a hot deal though!
>>>
>>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/RIVENDELL-WATER-BOTTLE-BIDON-
>>> MADE-BY-SPECIALIZED-LARGE-GREEN-/310940844287?pt=LH_
>>> DefaultDomain_0&hash=item486584c0ff
>>>  On Apr 25, 2014 12:13 AM, "Peter Morgano"  wrote:
>>>
  Dude I have a feeling if you hold out it might go 20% off!
 On Apr 25, 2014 12:05 AM, "rcnute"  wrote:

>  http://www.ebay.com/itm/RIVENDELL-WATER-BOTTLE-BIDON-
> MADE-BY-SPECIALIZED-LARGE-GREEN-/310940844287?pt=LH_
> DefaultDomain_0&hash=item486584c0ff
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Re: [RBW] Get your Rivendell water bottles!

[Bill Lindsay]

I was on the other end.  I bought that 1987 used Schwinn Paramountain on 
craigslist for $400.  I did the overhaul and put another $400 of parts on 
it (B17, bosco bullmoose, thumbie shifters, brakepads + cables, chain, 3 
chainrings).  I did the build so that it would be dialed for me.  When my 
wife busted me, I told her it was for the Elementary School bike auction, 
and I tried to sell it for $600.  I got yelled at by two different people 
telling me what a jerk I was for asking $600 for that bike.  I cheerfully 
asked each of them what they thought was a fair price.  Both were under 
$200.  Needless to say, I didn't sell to them, but they left absolutely 
convinced that I'm a crook.  My wife shook her head and said "so you're 
keeping it, huh?  surprise, surprise!"

On Thursday, May 8, 2014 2:20:35 PM UTC-7, Hugh Flynn wrote:
>
> This is the same guy currently offering 1 pair of velox plugs for $30 
> right? 
>
> Reminds me of the guys who use to populate rec.bike.forsale (or what ever 
> it was) selling carbon cranks at outrageous prices and routinely getting in 
> fights with anyone who questioned their sky high prices and abusive public 
> demeanor.  One suspects there is more at play with these people than simple 
> logic will reveal, so it's probably best to not feed the trolls with the 
> attention they seem to crave. 
>
> If someone were to offer me $100 for any water bottle currently in my 
> possession or $30 for any of my NOS velox plugs, I would surely comply with 
> the request. I do, however, have a hard time believing that a person 
> willing to make such an offer actually exists. 
>
> Hugh "ebay makes my skin crawl" Flynn
> Newburyport, MA
>
> On May 8, 2014, at 4:32 PM, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> Got into it with this guy today over his $200 M737 XT hubs...lol
>
> "dude i sell these like crazy, back off you dont know what your talking 
> about nos is 10% auction right now , so those fight it prices dont mean 
> squat, they mean 3 people were awake and needed. Why waste your time 
> telling me, ive sold 40 in the last few years, sets, xtr, etc. look at my 
> solds and ive been closed for 2 days before you tell me what the markets 
> about"
>
> ROFL
>
> But anyway.
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Peter Morgano 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> I was wrong, it's only 15% off, still a hot deal though! 
>>
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/RIVENDELL-WATER-BOTTLE-BIDON-MADE-BY-SPECIALIZED-LARGE-GREEN-/310940844287?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item486584c0ff
>>  On Apr 25, 2014 12:13 AM, "Peter Morgano" 
>> > 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dude I have a feeling if you hold out it might go 20% off! 
>>> On Apr 25, 2014 12:05 AM, "rcnute" > 
>>> wrote:
>>>

 http://www.ebay.com/itm/RIVENDELL-WATER-BOTTLE-BIDON-MADE-BY-SPECIALIZED-LARGE-GREEN-/310940844287?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item486584c0ff

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Re: [RBW] Get your Rivendell water bottles!

[Hugh Flynn]

I have to look away. I just came across a PB Bike listing for $225 Campag 10 
speed front hub that states it can be used with 9 and 11 speed as well. 

Such a train wreck. 

Must stop looking.

Hugh "still dislike ebay" Flynn
Newburyport, MA 


On May 8, 2014, at 5:20 PM, Hugh Flynn wrote:

> This is the same guy currently offering 1 pair of velox plugs for $30 right? 
> 
> Reminds me of the guys who use to populate rec.bike.forsale (or what ever it 
> was) selling carbon cranks at outrageous prices and routinely getting in 
> fights with anyone who questioned their sky high prices and abusive public 
> demeanor.  One suspects there is more at play with these people than simple 
> logic will reveal, so it's probably best to not feed the trolls with the 
> attention they seem to crave. 
> 
> If someone were to offer me $100 for any water bottle currently in my 
> possession or $30 for any of my NOS velox plugs, I would surely comply with 
> the request. I do, however, have a hard time believing that a person willing 
> to make such an offer actually exists. 
> 
> Hugh "ebay makes my skin crawl" Flynn
> Newburyport, MA
> 
> On May 8, 2014, at 4:32 PM, Jim Bronson wrote:
> 
>> Got into it with this guy today over his $200 M737 XT hubs...lol
>> 
>> "dude i sell these like crazy, back off you dont know what your talking 
>> aboutnos is 10% auction right now , so those fight it prices dont mean 
>> squat, they mean 3 people were awake and needed.  Why waste your time 
>> telling me, ive sold 40 in the last few years, sets, xtr, etc.   look at my 
>> solds and ive been closed for 2 days before you tell me what the markets 
>> about"
>> 
>> ROFL
>> 
>> But anyway.
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Peter Morgano  
>> wrote:
>> I was wrong, it's only 15% off, still a hot deal though!
>> 
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/RIVENDELL-WATER-BOTTLE-BIDON-MADE-BY-SPECIALIZED-LARGE-GREEN-/310940844287?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item486584c0ff
>> 
>> On Apr 25, 2014 12:13 AM, "Peter Morgano"  wrote:
>> Dude I have a feeling if you hold out it might go 20% off!
>> 
>> On Apr 25, 2014 12:05 AM, "rcnute"  wrote:
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/RIVENDELL-WATER-BOTTLE-BIDON-MADE-BY-SPECIALIZED-LARGE-GREEN-/310940844287?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item486584c0ff
>> 
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[RBW] Re: Ring the Peak Birthday Ride

[Deacon Patrick]

Chris and Chris: Thanks!

Chris: If 2 hours of use counts as long enough to render an initial 
opinion, yes, I am happy with it. I love that it is a quick mount on the 
bars and one mount/light will easily work on both bikes. I should have 
gotten the glare guard and am debating how to best remedy that. The 
illumination pattern is fantastic on the road (just point it up far enough 
so the bright patch disappears and you see a LONG way), a bit odd on steep 
trail, but easily workable (I only did LCG in the dark on the trail).

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, May 8, 2014 3:25:20 PM UTC-6, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:
>
> Happy Birthday!
>
> I was on the phone about 2.5 hours ago ordering an Ixon IQ from Peter 
> White.  Sounds like you are happy with yours!
>
>
>
> On Thursday, May 8, 2014 4:19:56 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Headed out at 4am this morning sporting my new birthday light (B+M Ixon 
>> IQ). Roads are wondrously quiet then! And thanks to the new light, 
>> brilliantly illuminated as well. Plus, battery powered, so it works when in 
>> LCG up 25% slopes. Grin.
>>
>> The trails are now clear of snow, (my birthday tends to be a good marker 
>> of this around here), so this was my first serious trail ride of the year 
>> (7.5 hours of riding). Highlights:
>>
>> — Bigfoot sports a mullet
>> — I rode higher gearing than I’ve ever ridden on these trails, though 
>> lower than I’ll have on my QB. I think these are too rocky and technical 
>> for the QB anyway, but it’s good to find out where I am in comparison.
>> — Forest thinning equipment is LOUD and carries a LONG way. Thankful for 
>> earplugs. So much for remote solitude.
>> — Long rides feel god.
>> — Birthday rides increase appreciation for the bike I have and the bike 
>> that’s coming.
>> — Birthday rides are a wondrous time for reflection on the abundance of 
>> life and love I’ve been blessed with so far and looking forward to another 
>> year of wild adventure.
>> — Backroad connectors are brilliant ways to avoid congestion and brain 
>> implosion on the highway, making rides like this possible (wife needn’t 
>> drive me to the trailhead!).
>> — Amazing homecomings are a great way to end a ride. Lassies (who weren’t 
>> up when I left) burst out the house and engulfed me upon my arrival.
>>
>> Pictures: 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/sets/72157644582864445/
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
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>> *www.OurHolyConception.org *
>>  
>>

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[RBW] Re: Goldfish Diablo S240

[Deacon Patrick]

Brilliant greens and hills of flowers! That must be a wonder to ride 
through! Thanks, Manny, for showing me there can be more to trials than 
pinecones and pine needles. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, May 6, 2014 8:22:39 PM UTC-6, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>
> I've done more than my share of this ride before, but it's always magical. 
> Specially when you have great people to go with
>
> Rolled deep with 10+ folks.
> Hammock city at Juniper. 
> Backpack mtb riding. 
> Cheese and Spam musubi Dinner.
> Good times.
> Pictures Proved I'll be up here again next Tuesday:
> https://flic.kr/s/aHsjXSX4yJ
>  
> Manny " Any one riding the Amgen Tour de Cal on Tuesday?" Acosta
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Re: [RBW] Ring the Peak Birthday Ride

[Chris Chen]

Happy Birthday Deacon!


On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Headed out at 4am this morning sporting my new birthday light (B+M Ixon
> IQ). Roads are wondrously quiet then! And thanks to the new light,
> brilliantly illuminated as well. Plus, battery powered, so it works when in
> LCG up 25% slopes. Grin.
>
> The trails are now clear of snow, (my birthday tends to be a good marker
> of this around here), so this was my first serious trail ride of the year
> (7.5 hours of riding). Highlights:
>
> — Bigfoot sports a mullet
> — I rode higher gearing than I’ve ever ridden on these trails, though
> lower than I’ll have on my QB. I think these are too rocky and technical
> for the QB anyway, but it’s good to find out where I am in comparison.
> — Forest thinning equipment is LOUD and carries a LONG way. Thankful for
> earplugs. So much for remote solitude.
> — Long rides feel god.
> — Birthday rides increase appreciation for the bike I have and the bike
> that’s coming.
> — Birthday rides are a wondrous time for reflection on the abundance of
> life and love I’ve been blessed with so far and looking forward to another
> year of wild adventure.
> — Backroad connectors are brilliant ways to avoid congestion and brain
> implosion on the highway, making rides like this possible (wife needn’t
> drive me to the trailhead!).
> — Amazing homecomings are a great way to end a ride. Lassies (who weren’t
> up when I left) burst out the house and engulfed me upon my arrival.
>
> Pictures:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/sets/72157644582864445/
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
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> *www.OurHolyConception.org *
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[RBW] Re: Ring the Peak Birthday Ride

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Happy Birthday!

I was on the phone about 2.5 hours ago ordering an Ixon IQ from Peter 
White.  Sounds like you are happy with yours!



On Thursday, May 8, 2014 4:19:56 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Headed out at 4am this morning sporting my new birthday light (B+M Ixon 
> IQ). Roads are wondrously quiet then! And thanks to the new light, 
> brilliantly illuminated as well. Plus, battery powered, so it works when in 
> LCG up 25% slopes. Grin.
>
> The trails are now clear of snow, (my birthday tends to be a good marker 
> of this around here), so this was my first serious trail ride of the year 
> (7.5 hours of riding). Highlights:
>
> — Bigfoot sports a mullet
> — I rode higher gearing than I’ve ever ridden on these trails, though 
> lower than I’ll have on my QB. I think these are too rocky and technical 
> for the QB anyway, but it’s good to find out where I am in comparison.
> — Forest thinning equipment is LOUD and carries a LONG way. Thankful for 
> earplugs. So much for remote solitude.
> — Long rides feel god.
> — Birthday rides increase appreciation for the bike I have and the bike 
> that’s coming.
> — Birthday rides are a wondrous time for reflection on the abundance of 
> life and love I’ve been blessed with so far and looking forward to another 
> year of wild adventure.
> — Backroad connectors are brilliant ways to avoid congestion and brain 
> implosion on the highway, making rides like this possible (wife needn’t 
> drive me to the trailhead!).
> — Amazing homecomings are a great way to end a ride. Lassies (who weren’t 
> up when I left) burst out the house and engulfed me upon my arrival.
>
> Pictures: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/sets/72157644582864445/
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org *
> *www.OurHolyConception.org *
>  
>

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[RBW] Ring the Peak Birthday Ride

[Deacon Patrick]

Headed out at 4am this morning sporting my new birthday light (B+M Ixon IQ). 
Roads are wondrously quiet then! And thanks to the new light, brilliantly 
illuminated as well. Plus, battery powered, so it works when in LCG up 25% 
slopes. Grin.

The trails are now clear of snow, (my birthday tends to be a good marker of 
this around here), so this was my first serious trail ride of the year (7.5 
hours of riding). Highlights:

-- Bigfoot sports a mullet
-- I rode higher gearing than I've ever ridden on these trails, though lower 
than I'll have on my QB. I think these are too rocky and technical for the QB 
anyway, but it's good to find out where I am in comparison.
-- Forest thinning equipment is LOUD and carries a LONG way. Thankful for 
earplugs. So much for remote solitude.
-- Long rides feel god.
-- Birthday rides increase appreciation for the bike I have and the bike that's 
coming.
-- Birthday rides are a wondrous time for reflection on the abundance of life 
and love I've been blessed with so far and looking forward to another year of 
wild adventure.
-- Backroad connectors are brilliant ways to avoid congestion and brain 
implosion on the highway, making rides like this possible (wife needn't drive 
me to the trailhead!).
-- Amazing homecomings are a great way to end a ride. Lassies (who weren't up 
when I left) burst out the house and engulfed me upon my arrival.

Pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/sets/72157644582864445/

With abandon,
Patrick

www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
www.OurHolyConception.org

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Re: [RBW] Get your Rivendell water bottles!

[Hugh Flynn]

This is the same guy currently offering 1 pair of velox plugs for $30 right? 

Reminds me of the guys who use to populate rec.bike.forsale (or what ever it 
was) selling carbon cranks at outrageous prices and routinely getting in fights 
with anyone who questioned their sky high prices and abusive public demeanor.  
One suspects there is more at play with these people than simple logic will 
reveal, so it's probably best to not feed the trolls with the attention they 
seem to crave. 

If someone were to offer me $100 for any water bottle currently in my 
possession or $30 for any of my NOS velox plugs, I would surely comply with the 
request. I do, however, have a hard time believing that a person willing to 
make such an offer actually exists. 

Hugh "ebay makes my skin crawl" Flynn
Newburyport, MA

On May 8, 2014, at 4:32 PM, Jim Bronson wrote:

> Got into it with this guy today over his $200 M737 XT hubs...lol
> 
> "dude i sell these like crazy, back off you dont know what your talking about 
>nos is 10% auction right now , so those fight it prices dont mean squat, 
> they mean 3 people were awake and needed.  Why waste your time telling me, 
> ive sold 40 in the last few years, sets, xtr, etc.   look at my solds and ive 
> been closed for 2 days before you tell me what the markets about"
> 
> ROFL
> 
> But anyway.
> 
> 
> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Peter Morgano  
> wrote:
> I was wrong, it's only 15% off, still a hot deal though!
> 
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/RIVENDELL-WATER-BOTTLE-BIDON-MADE-BY-SPECIALIZED-LARGE-GREEN-/310940844287?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item486584c0ff
> 
> On Apr 25, 2014 12:13 AM, "Peter Morgano"  wrote:
> Dude I have a feeling if you hold out it might go 20% off!
> 
> On Apr 25, 2014 12:05 AM, "rcnute"  wrote:
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/RIVENDELL-WATER-BOTTLE-BIDON-MADE-BY-SPECIALIZED-LARGE-GREEN-/310940844287?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item486584c0ff
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Re: [RBW] Get your Rivendell water bottles!

[Bill Lindsay]

what did you say to him?  did you offer to buy at a lower price or did you 
just tell him his price was too high?

On Thursday, May 8, 2014 1:32:39 PM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> Got into it with this guy today over his $200 M737 XT hubs...lol
>
> "dude i sell these like crazy, back off you dont know what your talking 
> about nos is 10% auction right now , so those fight it prices dont mean 
> squat, they mean 3 people were awake and needed. Why waste your time 
> telling me, ive sold 40 in the last few years, sets, xtr, etc. look at my 
> solds and ive been closed for 2 days before you tell me what the markets 
> about"
>
> ROFL
>
> But anyway.
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Peter Morgano 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> I was wrong, it's only 15% off, still a hot deal though! 
>>
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/RIVENDELL-WATER-BOTTLE-BIDON-MADE-BY-SPECIALIZED-LARGE-GREEN-/310940844287?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item486584c0ff
>>  On Apr 25, 2014 12:13 AM, "Peter Morgano" 
>> > 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dude I have a feeling if you hold out it might go 20% off! 
>>> On Apr 25, 2014 12:05 AM, "rcnute" > 
>>> wrote:
>>>

 http://www.ebay.com/itm/RIVENDELL-WATER-BOTTLE-BIDON-MADE-BY-SPECIALIZED-LARGE-GREEN-/310940844287?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item486584c0ff

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Re: [RBW] All turned around bout rims [SOS Help!]

[Aaron Young]

Sounds like a good rim, Hugh.

Chris, the rim wall on my rear wheel is getting pretty thin and I keep
getting this thought that it's going to fail pretty soon. I'll do a 26" set
first (maybe just the rear) and do a 650b set next. Might go with Aeroheats
on that build too.

-Aaron

On Thursday, May 8, 2014, hugh flynn  wrote:

> I snapped up a pair of NOS Mavic M261 559 rims (silver, box section,
> double eyelets) that at 26mm wide are a very nice match for my Compas
> 559x1.5 and 1.75 tires. I wouldn't want to go any narrower for 1.5 and
> above tires if I could help it.
>
> On Thursday, May 8, 2014, Chris Chen 
> >
> wrote:
>
>> Aeroheat good. Sure you don't wanna go 650B?
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Aaron Young <1ce...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hugh,
>>
>> I just finished reading through this thread. But how does it end?  Did
>> you decide on a rim? Which one and what do you think of it?
>>
>> I'm resurrecting this thread because I'm researching 26" rims for my
>> first go at wheel building.  I was leaning toward the Aeroheat before
>> coming across this thread, and will likely go in that direction.
>>
>> Hope your wheels worked out well.
>>
>> -Aaron Young
>> The Dalles, OR
>>
>> On Thursday, January 16, 2014, Hugh Smitham 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I know Grant you are a chatty sort. But really thanks for the explanation
>> with some history behind it...history is always fun stuff in my book!
>> Lesson and all.
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
>> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>>
>> http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 10:23 PM, grant  wrote:
>>
>> The early mountain bikes had 32mm rims for the 50mm or so tires they had.
>> The tire and rim with were proportional. Mtn bike tire rims got skinnier
>> when Keith Bontrager (this is not a knock, he has been a hero) cut down
>> Mavic road rims (MA-2, 20.5mm) to mtn bike 26 size, and big rim  makers and
>> bike bike product managers wanted to be nearly as cool, so followed that
>> move and made skinnier rims, and we've never recovered.
>> The ISO (international standards org) recommends much rider rims than
>> almost anybody uses...for fat tires. They don't enforce rules or oversee or
>> anything. They're a bunch of engineers who recommend. The older wider rims
>> are more in line with their recs for fatter tires.
>>
>> The only drawback to a wider tire is weight. It holds a lower pressure
>> tire better, it provides slightly more height and width, and especially in
>> the case of a sidepull or centerpull, it gives a fatter tire a better
>> chance to escape btw the pads when the arms are released. With canti or V,
>> this isn't a big deal, but if the fork blades are wide and the   canti
>> posts are set wide and the rim is skinny, the pads will arc down at the
>> contact point, which...can't be great.
>>
>> Wider is also much stronger laterally, but...blah blah blah...
>>
>> I think in our catalogue we have tire recs for rim widths. I don't have
>> one here and I won't be within 122 miles of one for a few days, but
>> basically...if your tire is fat your rim should be...not skinny. I don't
>> think I'm surprising anybody with that statement, but I apologize for using
>> so many words to get to it.
>> G
>>
>> On Thursday, January 16, 2014 5:00:38 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> Hey I need the collective wisdom of this group. First, how does rim width
>> affect tires overall width, height, ride? Does it even make a difference
>> between 22.5 mm and 27.5 mm?
>>
>> What are your thoughts on these rims for a loaded tour/S240 rig:
>>
>> Sheldon Brown 26" rims .
>>
>> Which of these would you go for especially if your attempting to keep the
>> costs down? Other suggestions are welcome.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: What is the advantage of expensive hubs?

[Bill Lindsay]

the dark green park polylube stuff is fine.  

On Thursday, May 8, 2014 11:56:28 AM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> I tried to grab an old school XTR off of eBay and someone outbid me with 2 
> seconds left.  :(  
>
> Granted, I had outbid them with 15 seconds left...oh well, guess it takes 
> two to tango. 
>
> I gave up and just got a silver FH-T780 current gen XT hub.  It doesn't 
> look as nice and shiny as the old school one but who knows when another NOS 
> XTR will come up...and I need to build my wheel.  I suppose I could have 
> the hubshell powdercoated in shiny silver, I know that is possible ;)
>
> So to answer my own question, no, I don't perceive an advantage to the 
> bling hubs.  The price differential was just too much for me.  Some of the 
> more affordable cartridge bearing hubs either didn't come in 135 (many), or 
> 36h (bikehubstore.com), weren't available in silver (silver) or had some 
> other undesirable aesthetic characteristic (miche and their red axles, for 
> one).  I set a max price of $100.  The XT I got was $49+tax with free 
> shipping and I'm satisfied.
>
> I guess the next question would be, what's the best grease for loose ball 
> bearing hubs ;)  I stopped into Performance today to pick up some various 
> stuff and their shop guys like the DuraAce grease.  It says on the tube 
> that it's made in Germany.  Interesting because you would think most 
> Shimano stuff is produced in Asia.
>
>
> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 11:40 PM, C.J. Filip 
> > wrote:
>
>> When I upgraded the stock LX/Rigida wheel set on my Saluki to a Schmitt 
>> (Son Delux wide) and ~1998 XTR-centered hubs, the choice on this medley was 
>> made by a mixture of bling, the best I could afford, current technology and 
>> aesthetics.
>>
>> I splurged on the dynamo, got a great deal on NOS XTR hubs and they both 
>> just happen to be sexy.
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Re: [RBW] All turned around bout rims [SOS Help!]

[hugh flynn]

I snapped up a pair of NOS Mavic M261 559 rims (silver, box section, double
eyelets) that at 26mm wide are a very nice match for my Compas 559x1.5 and
1.75 tires. I wouldn't want to go any narrower for 1.5 and above tires if I
could help it.

On Thursday, May 8, 2014, Chris Chen  wrote:

> Aeroheat good. Sure you don't wanna go 650B?
>
>
> On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Aaron Young <1ce...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hugh,
>
> I just finished reading through this thread. But how does it end?  Did you
> decide on a rim? Which one and what do you think of it?
>
> I'm resurrecting this thread because I'm researching 26" rims for my first
> go at wheel building.  I was leaning toward the Aeroheat before coming
> across this thread, and will likely go in that direction.
>
> Hope your wheels worked out well.
>
> -Aaron Young
> The Dalles, OR
>
> On Thursday, January 16, 2014, Hugh Smitham  wrote:
>
> I know Grant you are a chatty sort. But really thanks for the explanation
> with some history behind it...history is always fun stuff in my book!
> Lesson and all.
>
> ~Hugh
>
> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>
> http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 10:23 PM, grant  wrote:
>
> The early mountain bikes had 32mm rims for the 50mm or so tires they had.
> The tire and rim with were proportional. Mtn bike tire rims got skinnier
> when Keith Bontrager (this is not a knock, he has been a hero) cut down
> Mavic road rims (MA-2, 20.5mm) to mtn bike 26 size, and big rim  makers and
> bike bike product managers wanted to be nearly as cool, so followed that
> move and made skinnier rims, and we've never recovered.
> The ISO (international standards org) recommends much rider rims than
> almost anybody uses...for fat tires. They don't enforce rules or oversee or
> anything. They're a bunch of engineers who recommend. The older wider rims
> are more in line with their recs for fatter tires.
>
> The only drawback to a wider tire is weight. It holds a lower pressure
> tire better, it provides slightly more height and width, and especially in
> the case of a sidepull or centerpull, it gives a fatter tire a better
> chance to escape btw the pads when the arms are released. With canti or V,
> this isn't a big deal, but if the fork blades are wide and the   canti
> posts are set wide and the rim is skinny, the pads will arc down at the
> contact point, which...can't be great.
>
> Wider is also much stronger laterally, but...blah blah blah...
>
> I think in our catalogue we have tire recs for rim widths. I don't have
> one here and I won't be within 122 miles of one for a few days, but
> basically...if your tire is fat your rim should be...not skinny. I don't
> think I'm surprising anybody with that statement, but I apologize for using
> so many words to get to it.
> G
>
> On Thursday, January 16, 2014 5:00:38 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Hey I need the collective wisdom of this group. First, how does rim width
> affect tires overall width, height, ride? Does it even make a difference
> between 22.5 mm and 27.5 mm?
>
> What are your thoughts on these rims for a loaded tour/S240 rig:
>
> Sheldon Brown 26" rims .
>
> Which of these would you go for especially if your attempting to keep the
> costs down? Other suggestions are welcome.
>
> Thanks,
>
> ~Hugh
>
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Re: [RBW] Get your Rivendell water bottles!

[Jim Bronson]

Got into it with this guy today over his $200 M737 XT hubs...lol

"dude i sell these like crazy, back off you dont know what your talking
about nos is 10% auction right now , so those fight it prices dont mean
squat, they mean 3 people were awake and needed. Why waste your time
telling me, ive sold 40 in the last few years, sets, xtr, etc. look at my
solds and ive been closed for 2 days before you tell me what the markets
about"

ROFL

But anyway.


On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Peter Morgano wrote:

> I was wrong, it's only 15% off, still a hot deal though!
>
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/RIVENDELL-WATER-BOTTLE-BIDON-MADE-BY-SPECIALIZED-LARGE-GREEN-/310940844287?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item486584c0ff
>  On Apr 25, 2014 12:13 AM, "Peter Morgano" 
> wrote:
>
>> Dude I have a feeling if you hold out it might go 20% off!
>> On Apr 25, 2014 12:05 AM, "rcnute"  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/RIVENDELL-WATER-BOTTLE-BIDON-MADE-BY-SPECIALIZED-LARGE-GREEN-/310940844287?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item486584c0ff
>>>
>>> Ryan
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Re: [RBW] All turned around bout rims [SOS Help!]

[Chris Chen]

Aeroheat good. Sure you don't wanna go 650B?


On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Aaron Young <1ce...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hugh,
>
> I just finished reading through this thread. But how does it end?  Did you
> decide on a rim? Which one and what do you think of it?
>
> I'm resurrecting this thread because I'm researching 26" rims for my first
> go at wheel building.  I was leaning toward the Aeroheat before coming
> across this thread, and will likely go in that direction.
>
> Hope your wheels worked out well.
>
> -Aaron Young
> The Dalles, OR
>
> On Thursday, January 16, 2014, Hugh Smitham  wrote:
>
>> I know Grant you are a chatty sort. But really thanks for the explanation
>> with some history behind it...history is always fun stuff in my book!
>> Lesson and all.
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
>> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>>
>> http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 10:23 PM, grant  wrote:
>>
>>> The early mountain bikes had 32mm rims for the 50mm or so tires they
>>> had. The tire and rim with were proportional. Mtn bike tire rims got
>>> skinnier when Keith Bontrager (this is not a knock, he has been a hero) cut
>>> down Mavic road rims (MA-2, 20.5mm) to mtn bike 26 size, and big rim
>>> makers and bike bike product managers wanted to be nearly as cool, so
>>> followed that move and made skinnier rims, and we've never recovered.
>>> The ISO (international standards org) recommends much rider rims than
>>> almost anybody uses...for fat tires. They don't enforce rules or oversee or
>>> anything. They're a bunch of engineers who recommend. The older wider rims
>>> are more in line with their recs for fatter tires.
>>>
>>> The only drawback to a wider tire is weight. It holds a lower pressure
>>> tire better, it provides slightly more height and width, and especially in
>>> the case of a sidepull or centerpull, it gives a fatter tire a better
>>> chance to escape btw the pads when the arms are released. With canti or V,
>>> this isn't a big deal, but if the fork blades are wide and the   canti
>>> posts are set wide and the rim is skinny, the pads will arc down at the
>>> contact point, which...can't be great.
>>>
>>> Wider is also much stronger laterally, but...blah blah blah...
>>>
>>> I think in our catalogue we have tire recs for rim widths. I don't have
>>> one here and I won't be within 122 miles of one for a few days, but
>>> basically...if your tire is fat your rim should be...not skinny. I don't
>>> think I'm surprising anybody with that statement, but I apologize for using
>>> so many words to get to it.
>>> G
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 16, 2014 5:00:38 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>>>
 Hey I need the collective wisdom of this group. First, how does rim
 width affect tires overall width, height, ride? Does it even make a
 difference between 22.5 mm and 27.5 mm?

 What are your thoughts on these rims for a loaded tour/S240 rig:

 Sheldon Brown 26" rims .

 Which of these would you go for especially if your attempting to keep
 the costs down? Other suggestions are welcome.

 Thanks,

 ~Hugh

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Hunqapillar

[Liesl]

Ain't it the best to see your bike on the blug??!!!?

On Wednesday, May 7, 2014 11:15:56 PM UTC-5, DS wrote:
>
> Hey how about that, that's my bike on the blug. There was another 
> Hunqapillar (also a single top tube) that was about to be built up to, so 
> unless it was the exact same size and build I'd say it's mine.
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Question about Bleriot selling...drops or Albas more likely to sell?

[Michael]

>
> Anyone know what I could ask for the derailers and wheels and crankset 
> that would be fair?
>
I don't know how to price those.

I would probably then sell it F/F/H/bb

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Re: [RBW] thump thump thump thump

[Lynne Fitz]

front wheel and new rim are in the superbly skilled hands of Mechanic Mark.  
Should have it back in plenty of time for the 400k on the 17th.

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[RBW] All turned around bout rims [SOS Help!]

[Aaron Young]

Hugh,

I just finished reading through this thread. But how does it end?  Did you
decide on a rim? Which one and what do you think of it?

I'm resurrecting this thread because I'm researching 26" rims for my first
go at wheel building.  I was leaning toward the Aeroheat before coming
across this thread, and will likely go in that direction.

Hope your wheels worked out well.

-Aaron Young
The Dalles, OR

On Thursday, January 16, 2014, Hugh Smitham  wrote:

> I know Grant you are a chatty sort. But really thanks for the explanation
> with some history behind it...history is always fun stuff in my book!
> Lesson and all.
>
> ~Hugh
>
> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>
> http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 10:23 PM, grant 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> The early mountain bikes had 32mm rims for the 50mm or so tires they had.
>> The tire and rim with were proportional. Mtn bike tire rims got skinnier
>> when Keith Bontrager (this is not a knock, he has been a hero) cut down
>> Mavic road rims (MA-2, 20.5mm) to mtn bike 26 size, and big rim  makers and
>> bike bike product managers wanted to be nearly as cool, so followed that
>> move and made skinnier rims, and we've never recovered.
>> The ISO (international standards org) recommends much rider rims than
>> almost anybody uses...for fat tires. They don't enforce rules or oversee or
>> anything. They're a bunch of engineers who recommend. The older wider rims
>> are more in line with their recs for fatter tires.
>>
>> The only drawback to a wider tire is weight. It holds a lower pressure
>> tire better, it provides slightly more height and width, and especially in
>> the case of a sidepull or centerpull, it gives a fatter tire a better
>> chance to escape btw the pads when the arms are released. With canti or V,
>> this isn't a big deal, but if the fork blades are wide and the   canti
>> posts are set wide and the rim is skinny, the pads will arc down at the
>> contact point, which...can't be great.
>>
>> Wider is also much stronger laterally, but...blah blah blah...
>>
>> I think in our catalogue we have tire recs for rim widths. I don't have
>> one here and I won't be within 122 miles of one for a few days, but
>> basically...if your tire is fat your rim should be...not skinny. I don't
>> think I'm surprising anybody with that statement, but I apologize for using
>> so many words to get to it.
>> G
>>
>> On Thursday, January 16, 2014 5:00:38 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>>> Hey I need the collective wisdom of this group. First, how does rim
>>> width affect tires overall width, height, ride? Does it even make a
>>> difference between 22.5 mm and 27.5 mm?
>>>
>>> What are your thoughts on these rims for a loaded tour/S240 rig:
>>>
>>> Sheldon Brown 26" rims .
>>>
>>> Which of these would you go for especially if your attempting to keep
>>> the costs down? Other suggestions are welcome.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
>>>
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[RBW] Seeking Bagman expedition non-QR for Carradice Nelson Longflap

[LBleriot]

Calhoun Cycles has them in stock.

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Re: [RBW] Re: What is the advantage of expensive hubs?

[Jim Bronson]

I tried to grab an old school XTR off of eBay and someone outbid me with 2
seconds left.  :(

Granted, I had outbid them with 15 seconds left...oh well, guess it takes
two to tango.

I gave up and just got a silver FH-T780 current gen XT hub.  It doesn't
look as nice and shiny as the old school one but who knows when another NOS
XTR will come up...and I need to build my wheel.  I suppose I could have
the hubshell powdercoated in shiny silver, I know that is possible ;)

So to answer my own question, no, I don't perceive an advantage to the
bling hubs.  The price differential was just too much for me.  Some of the
more affordable cartridge bearing hubs either didn't come in 135 (many), or
36h (bikehubstore.com), weren't available in silver (silver) or had some
other undesirable aesthetic characteristic (miche and their red axles, for
one).  I set a max price of $100.  The XT I got was $49+tax with free
shipping and I'm satisfied.

I guess the next question would be, what's the best grease for loose ball
bearing hubs ;)  I stopped into Performance today to pick up some various
stuff and their shop guys like the DuraAce grease.  It says on the tube
that it's made in Germany.  Interesting because you would think most
Shimano stuff is produced in Asia.


On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 11:40 PM, C.J. Filip  wrote:

> When I upgraded the stock LX/Rigida wheel set on my Saluki to a Schmitt
> (Son Delux wide) and ~1998 XTR-centered hubs, the choice on this medley was
> made by a mixture of bling, the best I could afford, current technology and
> aesthetics.
>
> I splurged on the dynamo, got a great deal on NOS XTR hubs and they both
> just happen to be sexy.
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Re: [RBW] thump thump thump thump

[Bruce Herbitter]

I've got a set of those Aerohead 650B wheels sitting in my garage, if you
decide you want to re stock Lynne. I rode them a while with 32mm tires but
they are a bit narrow for the 36 and up that I am on these days.


On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Lynne Fitz  wrote:

> given the mileage on the wheel (and this is a first; I usually wear them
> out by 10,000 miles), and long rides in the middle of nowhere planned, I
> will be taking the wheel (front wheel, generator hub), and one of th A23
> rims in the garage over to my LBS, where the mechanics who I have had a
> long and excellent relationship with, will build me a new wheel.
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[RBW] Re: Seeking Bagman expedition non-QR for Carradice Nelson Longflap

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/carradice-original-bagman-support-expedition-prod34048/


On Thursday, May 8, 2014 4:10:49 AM UTC+3, BSWP wrote:
>
> I've decided to take my Carradice on the upcoming ride, in tandem with the 
> front shopsack, and I would really like to get the Nelson back from the 
> seatpost a bit. I saw that Peter White has stopped carrying them, and 
> Wallingford in NO is out of stock.
>
> Does anyone have a Bagman Expedition to sell? Ideally, the 
> non-quick-release version.
>
> Thanks,
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
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Re: [RBW] thump thump thump thump

[Chris Chen]

No arguments there!

I have a spare 700c Synergy wheel lying around but I just realized you're
650b.

Good luck!


On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 10:10 AM, Lynne Fitz  wrote:

> given the mileage on the wheel (and this is a first; I usually wear them
> out by 10,000 miles), and long rides in the middle of nowhere planned, I
> will be taking the wheel (front wheel, generator hub), and one of th A23
> rims in the garage over to my LBS, where the mechanics who I have had a
> long and excellent relationship with, will build me a new wheel.
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Re: [RBW] thump thump thump thump

[Lynne Fitz]

given the mileage on the wheel (and this is a first; I usually wear them out by 
10,000 miles), and long rides in the middle of nowhere planned, I will be 
taking the wheel (front wheel, generator hub), and one of th A23 rims in the 
garage over to my LBS, where the mechanics who I have had a long and excellent 
relationship with, will build me a new wheel.

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[RBW] Re: thump thump thump thump

[dougP]

Rim time.  If the rim suddenly splits, the results are ugly.  If you can 
detect that significant a difference, a lot of metal is gone.  

dougP

On Wednesday, May 7, 2014 9:41:28 PM UTC-7, Lynne Fitz wrote:
>
> my front wheel when braking.  Headset and brakes (Silvers) are not loose. 
>  Rim is 650b Aerohead (yeah).  It has probably 16000 miles on it, and it is 
> worn some. Right by the seam, the rim is about a mm fatter; I can hold the 
> brakes constant, spin the wheel, and it catches right at the seam, even 
> though the seam is wonderfully smooth.
>
> Don't see any cracks in the rim.  Thoughts?  Time for a new front rim? 
>  Really, the whole front end kind of shudders!
>

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Re: [RBW] thump thump thump thump

[Ron Mc]

I was afraid I had a flat when I read this thread

On Thursday, May 8, 2014 8:56:22 AM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> thump thump thump?
>
> get your civic and your subwoofers off my lawn, you dang teenagers!
>
>
> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 11:41 PM, Lynne Fitz 
> > wrote:
>
>> my front wheel when braking.  Headset and brakes (Silvers) are not loose. 
>>  Rim is 650b Aerohead (yeah).  It has probably 16000 miles on it, and it is 
>> worn some. Right by the seam, the rim is about a mm fatter; I can hold the 
>> brakes constant, spin the wheel, and it catches right at the seam, even 
>> though the seam is wonderfully smooth.
>>
>> Don't see any cracks in the rim.  Thoughts?  Time for a new front rim? 
>>  Really, the whole front end kind of shudders!
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[RBW] Re: thump thump thump thump

[Dennis Hogan]

Lynne, I'd give a call to Jude at SugarWheelWorks 
(http://www.sugarwheelworks.com/). Her shop is over on Williams in No Po. 
She'll be able to tell what is going on and she builds beautiful wheels.
Dennis in PDX

On Wednesday, May 7, 2014 9:41:28 PM UTC-7, Lynne Fitz wrote:
>
> my front wheel when braking.  Headset and brakes (Silvers) are not loose. 
>  Rim is 650b Aerohead (yeah).  It has probably 16000 miles on it, and it is 
> worn some. Right by the seam, the rim is about a mm fatter; I can hold the 
> brakes constant, spin the wheel, and it catches right at the seam, even 
> though the seam is wonderfully smooth.
>
> Don't see any cracks in the rim.  Thoughts?  Time for a new front rim? 
>  Really, the whole front end kind of shudders!
>

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[RBW] Re: thump thump thump thump

[Jeremy Till]

I'll third that it sounds like the rim is worn out.  Feeling around the 
brake track, does it feel concave?  If so, that's another sign that it's 
worn out and on the edge of failure.  In any case, I'd take it to the LBS 
for a second opinion, and probably a new rim.  

On Wednesday, May 7, 2014 9:41:28 PM UTC-7, Lynne Fitz wrote:
>
> my front wheel when braking.  Headset and brakes (Silvers) are not loose. 
>  Rim is 650b Aerohead (yeah).  It has probably 16000 miles on it, and it is 
> worn some. Right by the seam, the rim is about a mm fatter; I can hold the 
> brakes constant, spin the wheel, and it catches right at the seam, even 
> though the seam is wonderfully smooth.
>
> Don't see any cracks in the rim.  Thoughts?  Time for a new front rim? 
>  Really, the whole front end kind of shudders!
>

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[RBW] Re: Question about Bleriot selling...drops or Albas more likely to sell?

[Richard Rios]

I have to echo the comments made by others as far as parting the bike out 
and selling it as a frameset goes.  I just sold two Rivs a Hillborne and 
Simplone and found that I received very little response when trying to sell 
them complete.  As soon as I offered them up as framesets they were sold 
within a few weeks.  Best of luck.

Sincerely,
Richard

On Wednesday, May 7, 2014 2:37:36 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:
>
> Not many bites on the Bleriot and was wondering if switching it to drops 
> would help. Do you think drop bar bikes are easier to sell than upright 
> Albas because drops are more popular?
>

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Re: [RBW] RCW Custom Ride Report

[Jeremy Till]

I'll second Tom's message and say that even small bikes with standard 
length chainstays often need extra long struts to reach down to the seat 
stay eyelets while keeping the top of the rack level, so I can see how your 
bike is way out there vis a vis rack compatibility.  I wonder if the 42cm 
Nitto struts that Riv sells 
would 
be long enough and perhaps curve-able to be able to fit one of the Nitto 
rear racks on your bike.  Mark would probably have an idea.

On Wednesday, May 7, 2014 11:18:38 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote:
>
>  Liesl:
>
>  
>
> I don’t know what was unsatisfying about your Tubus Cargo rear rack 
> installation, but I put the stainless steel equivalent Tubus rear rack 
> (Cosmo, I think it’s called) on my Mystery Bike, which also has extremely 
> long chain stays, and it works very well – strong and stable.  I had to use 
> longer rack stays, which you can get from Riv or from Tubus.  Here are some 
> pics:
>
>  
>
> With just a basket on top:  
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/8367710962/in/set-72157630957672582and
>  
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/8366652843/in/set-72157630957672582
>
>  
>
> And with Swift Short Stack Panniers, which I really like:  
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/8176186600/in/set-72157630957672582
>
>  
>
> Maybe longer rack stays would do the trick?
>
>  
>
> Tom
>
>  
>
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> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 07, 2014 1:57 PM
> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject:* [RBW] RCW Custom Ride Report
>
>  
>  
> Hi Friends!  Sheesh, between my crazy work schedule and our last blast of 
> freezing sleety weather it's taken me some time to get riding in and catch 
> up with the group!  Here goes...
>
> *In General:*  This bike puts a smile on my face whether I'm riding it, 
> standing next to it, our just being with it in my living room.  Makes me 
> feel like a kid again (which after all is Keven's *raison d'etre*). Fun 
> to ride, comfortable to ride.  I haven't taken pictures or anything, plus 
> the photos on the blug are more than I could do, so words will have to 
> suffice.
>
> *Specifically (short people, read this):*  The super long chainstays make 
> a profound difference.  I'm 5'2" and this is my third Riv. What's different 
> here is that the bike is so crazy stable.  In talking with Grant, he 
> described how difficult it is to make a wee bike that doesn't feel tippy.  
> I'm not gonna go into geometry here or try to explain why—but rather invite 
> Grant to do a blug or a post on that topic.  What I will describe is my 
> experience.  Up until now, I never wanted to sit as I pedaled up hills.  It 
> always felt like I was always going too slow and pedaling too fast and 
> spending time correcting my steering.  Yuck.  So I just stood.  But not 
> with the custom!  It's like a new world!  The most dramatic example was 
> going tto the May Day festival at a big hilly park here in Minneapolis and 
> just riding anywhere as if I were...I can't even compare it...effortless 
> effort.  I know it's a mix of the big tires and the long chainstays and the 
> Riv crew gearing it right, but it is crazy fun!
>
> *Tires & Weight:*  I am not a gram counter but I am a gram 
> trying-to-understander.  The bike is heavier than my Saluki and the Big 
> Bens are stout.  I do feel this, and for the time being, I am slower...but 
> I don't really care.  The ride is so comfortable and potholes disappear.  
> And it's not a bad thing to be more in shape.  I've said repeatedly to 
> friends here that I might be slower, but I can go anywhere and I could do 
> it all day.  I'm experimenting with tire pressure from 10 to 30 pounds.  
> Great fun.
>
> *Cockpit: * Kevenized Paul Thumbies (meaning flipping them so that they 
> are on the inside of the grip rather than the outside) ROCK!  Bullmoose 
> Boscos ROCK!  Miesha's Cork Grips ROCK!  Okay, I like my cockpit.  I think 
> the thumbies are my all-time favorite shifter set-up (compared to bar-ends 
> and stem mounted).  Just right there and easy.  I'd switched over to Boscos 
> on my other bikes, so I already knoew that I like them, but the Bullmoose 
> version is sweet and I never wonder about whether it will slip even with 
> the long grip area.  Finally, this is my first set of Miesha's Cork Grips 
> (just the plain ones with no grooves but shellacked) and they are 
> wonderful.  Right amount of cushion, fantastic shape, good temperature, and 
> seem to be doing well with sweat.  I don't wanna wear gloves!  Oh, and 
> maroon cloth tape, not shellacked, twined with undyed waxed linen.  Still 
> need to wire the dyno/supernova set-up.
>
> *H2O Cages:*  There isn't a lot of room for the waterbottle that's fitted 
> to the diagatublettes, but it's a fun problem to solve. The trick is not 
> that a bottle doesn't fit, it's getting it out of the cage that feels 

[RBW] Sackville SaddleSack Large or Medium for Rides to Beach?

[BenG]

Def Large, but get all the sand out after the trip! I would use my basket for 
the return trip. Se
ems like sand in your bag would be like sand in your shorts - rubbing things 
raw.

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[RBW] Re: [BOB] Trade? 115 mm Phil for 103 mm Phil?

[Chris Cullum]

The DA 103mm BB is a cartridge model. The spindles are so short that it is
unlikely that a cup and cone type would fit anyway.

I have one but I'm not sure I'm willing to sell as I know I will need it
shortly afterward...

In addition to the DA, which is hard to find, and Phil Wood, Tange and
Sugino make a 103mm JIS cartridge bb that are relatively easy to source.
The Sugino Messenger crank also takes a 103mm IIRC which makes finding
these a little easier than a few years ago. Shimano no longer makes them
that short.


On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 10:36 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I just got a nice 7410 crankset that I thought I'd put on the Ram, which
> now has a nice 115 Phil with a Pro 5 Vis. Alas, I was until very recently
> unaware that while the 740Xs take a 113 the 7410 takes the 103.
>
> I bought the 115 Phil -- steel spindle and rings -- used but it's as
> smooth as any of my 3 others.
>
> Or, if anyone has a jenyouwine Dura Ace 7410 bb in the right size, let's
> talk.
>
> (Were these still cup 'n' cone, or were they cartridge?)
>
> (Or perhaps I should hoard the DA crank + the 8 speed derailleurs I
> recently bought, too, for a possible early '80s Bertin ) (Does
> anyone know about early '80s Bertins? This is about a 60/57, just my size,
> in Vitus Extra Leger or such, which originally came with SImplex SLJ
> derailleurs.)
>
> Thanks, Patrick
>
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[RBW] Re: Question about Bleriot selling...drops or Albas more likely to sell?

[Bill Lindsay]

The wheels are kind of a problem in my mind.  Twin hollow wheels with Deore 
hubs just aren't all that desireable and wheels cost so darn much to ship.  
If you part it out, you might end up setting up that wheelset as a second 
set for your Hillborne.  A twin-hollow wheelset is a cool option for 
somebody doing a 650B conversion, but that person is more likely going to 
need a 130mm or 126mm rear hub, so your market is small there as well.  
Adding up what I think fair prices are for your parts, I think you could 
find yourself at $1350 and still keeping the wheelset for yourself for 
free.  

On Wednesday, May 7, 2014 11:14:29 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:
>
> Thanks for the thoughts. Might be the way to go by selling frame 
> separately. Then wheels. Then other components from the bike since so many 
> are newish.

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[RBW] Re: RCW Custom Ride Report

[Liesl]

Michael, thanks for the tips but I think I'm already doing all that. I think 
the issue is that the springs themselves take up about 2-3 inches of real 
estate so a saddle bag can't tuck up under the seat. The net effect is the 
whole bag hangs lower and further aft and rubs on the rear tire.

Pudge, your rear rack photos are helpful. Longer stays with some strategic 
bends will be the answer.

Fellow short people: the cheviot!

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Hunqapillar

[Shoji Takahashi]

Super! Let me know about the Compass 1.75... I've been contemplating adding 
them for the summer. (But I must say the Big Bens are great for road and 
trail. I've looked at the Smart Sams, but I do too much road to justify it 
over the Big Bens... hence my interest in the Compass.)

I'm the same height+PBH. (Saddle height ~69-70.) It's great on the trails 
to have a little extra room to step down. For my reach, the 48 is better 
for 100mm stem and Noodles. I've got a set of moustache bars that I'll put 
on later this spring/summer.

Also +1 on the CX70 brakes. I swapped out the Tektros (after I over 
tightened and snapped a bolt), and CX70s are great, even with the OEM brake 
pads. Set up is very easy, nice stopping power, good feel at the brake 
lever. For the chubby Big Bens, as advertised, I no longer have to deflate 
the tire to pull the wheel. (Hurray for small victories.)

Jandrews-- I've got a 48 Hunqapillar in grey/bean, so I think that's 
probably an unfair advantage. For this bike, it's the wheel size-- 54 is a 
29er, and those wheels look really big.

Happy riding!
shoji



On Thursday, May 8, 2014 12:15:56 AM UTC-4, DS wrote:
>
> Hey how about that, that's my bike on the blug. There was another 
> Hunqapillar (also a single top tube) that was about to be built up to, so 
> unless it was the exact same size and build I'd say it's mine.
>
> I got another set of wheels and just put them on with my new compass 
> tires, it's 2 bikes in ones: http://imgur.com/a/yUfWG
> Please ignore the fact that I store a dog bed in my fireplace. Space is 
> tight ;)
>
> Hopefully will have a bikepacking version in a few months. Three in one 
> special.
>
> On Wednesday, May 7, 2014 7:17:21 PM UTC-7, djbardwil wrote:
>>
>> Beautiful build and great color scheme - best of luck with it!  I am the 
>> same PBH and recently put a similar Brooks Cambium on my Atlantis and rode 
>> it in the NYC 5 Boro Tour this weekend.  I'd like to hear your experience 
>> once you've had some time on it.
>>
>> By the way - except for the saddle, is that not your new bike on the BLUG?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 7, 2014 10:01:56 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Love the color, good call on that one! I think going down a size on 
>>> off-road bikes is a good call. I've put the downhill foot down on an 
>>> off-camber trail once too many times on a full-framed bike.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> David
>>>
>>> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 6:58 PM, Montclair BobbyB 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hunqa-Hunqa burnin' love  wow!!


 On Wednesday, May 7, 2014 3:10:56 PM UTC-4, DS wrote:

> Just picked up my new Hunqapillar yesterday from RBW: 
> http://imgur.com/a/hkcZf
>
> Ordered this guy in late January, beat the 4.5 month wait time by 1/3.
>
> Took it for a 10 mile spin around Oakland (paved), hoping to do a 
> longer 'inaugural' ride this weekend on some dirt, but could be a few 
> weeks 
> due to some upcoming travel.
>
> Love the handlebar setup. I was super hesitant about it and made a few 
> posts, but mostly followed Patrick's advice (thanks Patrick!). The real 
> test will be on the trails. I'm coming from 10 years of road riding with 
> very little trail riding experience, I did about a dozen mountain bike 
> rides last year on a Salsa El Mariachi (which I Iater sold). Wish me 
> luck. 
> Hope to make it out to China Camp July 12 if there is room.
>
> Better ride report coming when I hit the trails.
>
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[RBW] Re: Trade? 115 mm Phil for 103 mm Phil?

[Mark Reimer]

Sorry, meant to say the BB length is 105, not 103

On Thursday, May 8, 2014 9:07:23 AM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Patrick, I have a Phil 103, stainless spindle, brand new never used. I 
> bought it as it was listed as a 115, but was definitely not...  Since the 
> Phil's have a few mm adjustment it both directions, this may work for you. 
> Interested? It is a JIS taper.
>
> On Wednesday, May 7, 2014 12:36:18 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> I just got a nice 7410 crankset that I thought I'd put on the Ram, which 
>> now has a nice 115 Phil with a Pro 5 Vis. Alas, I was until very recently 
>> unaware that while the 740Xs take a 113 the 7410 takes the 103.
>>
>> I bought the 115 Phil -- steel spindle and rings -- used but it's as 
>> smooth as any of my 3 others. 
>>
>> Or, if anyone has a jenyouwine Dura Ace 7410 bb in the right size, let's 
>> talk.
>>
>> (Were these still cup 'n' cone, or were they cartridge?)
>>
>> (Or perhaps I should hoard the DA crank + the 8 speed derailleurs I 
>> recently bought, too, for a possible early '80s Bertin ) (Does 
>> anyone know about early '80s Bertins? This is about a 60/57, just my size, 
>> in Vitus Extra Leger or such, which originally came with SImplex SLJ 
>> derailleurs.)
>>
>> Thanks, Patrick
>>
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[RBW] Re: Trade? 115 mm Phil for 103 mm Phil?

[Mark Reimer]

Patrick, I have a Phil 103, stainless spindle, brand new never used. I 
bought it as it was listed as a 115, but was definitely not...  Since the 
Phil's have a few mm adjustment it both directions, this may work for you. 
Interested? It is a JIS taper.

On Wednesday, May 7, 2014 12:36:18 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I just got a nice 7410 crankset that I thought I'd put on the Ram, which 
> now has a nice 115 Phil with a Pro 5 Vis. Alas, I was until very recently 
> unaware that while the 740Xs take a 113 the 7410 takes the 103.
>
> I bought the 115 Phil -- steel spindle and rings -- used but it's as 
> smooth as any of my 3 others. 
>
> Or, if anyone has a jenyouwine Dura Ace 7410 bb in the right size, let's 
> talk.
>
> (Were these still cup 'n' cone, or were they cartridge?)
>
> (Or perhaps I should hoard the DA crank + the 8 speed derailleurs I 
> recently bought, too, for a possible early '80s Bertin ) (Does 
> anyone know about early '80s Bertins? This is about a 60/57, just my size, 
> in Vitus Extra Leger or such, which originally came with SImplex SLJ 
> derailleurs.)
>
> Thanks, Patrick
>
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Re: [RBW] thump thump thump thump

[Jan Heine]

On Thursday, May 8, 2014 6:35:57 AM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:
>
> When I had that exact symptom, the rim was unsafely worn out on the 
> braking surface. The rim needed to be replaced. I suspect if you've got 
> 16000 miles on it, that rim has met its maker and needs a decent burial.
>
>
I second that. When your rim gets wider, it means it's bowing outward. At 
the seam is where it's easiest to bow, since the rim is split there. You 
probably are just a few brake maneuvers away from the rim suddenly 
cracking, and a part of the sidewall breaking away. I am surprised that a 
front rim lasted only 16,000 miles, but it all depends on the conditions, 
and, of course, on how thick that sidewall was to begin with.

After you've replaced the rim, you can cut it in half and see how much 
material you had left...

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[RBW] Re: RCW Custom Ride Report

[Michael]

You are attaching the saddle to the eyelet loops on the saddle top, right? Not 
on the rails below the springs, right.

The springs shouldn't interfere with bag installation to do this. Curl the tips 
of the straps with your fingers and they will arc through the saddle eyelets , 
avoiding springs.

Flip your straps and try loading from the top, and also the bottom of eyelets 
to see which direction clears springs best.

Takes a little practice, but works great when you get the hang of it. I use a 
Carradice Peddle, and you can take off the straps to flip them. Don't know if 
poss on the Sackvilles.

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Re: [RBW] thump thump thump thump

[Jim Bronson]

thump thump thump?

get your civic and your subwoofers off my lawn, you dang teenagers!


On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 11:41 PM, Lynne Fitz  wrote:

> my front wheel when braking.  Headset and brakes (Silvers) are not loose.
>  Rim is 650b Aerohead (yeah).  It has probably 16000 miles on it, and it is
> worn some. Right by the seam, the rim is about a mm fatter; I can hold the
> brakes constant, spin the wheel, and it catches right at the seam, even
> though the seam is wonderfully smooth.
>
> Don't see any cracks in the rim.  Thoughts?  Time for a new front rim?
>  Really, the whole front end kind of shudders!
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Re: [RBW] thump thump thump thump

[Anne Paulson]

When I had that exact symptom, the rim was unsafely worn out on the braking
surface. The rim needed to be replaced. I suspect if you've got 16000 miles
on it, that rim has met its maker and needs a decent burial.


On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 9:41 PM, Lynne Fitz  wrote:

> my front wheel when braking.  Headset and brakes (Silvers) are not loose.
>  Rim is 650b Aerohead (yeah).  It has probably 16000 miles on it, and it is
> worn some. Right by the seam, the rim is about a mm fatter; I can hold the
> brakes constant, spin the wheel, and it catches right at the seam, even
> though the seam is wonderfully smooth.
>
> Don't see any cracks in the rim.  Thoughts?  Time for a new front rim?
>  Really, the whole front end kind of shudders!
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Re: [RBW] Dura Ace 7410 cranks -- Pretty!

[Ryan]

Yes, they are pretty. Unlike their modern elephantine incarnation, which 
are downright fugly to my eyes.. Actually, Shimano made a lot of  elegant 
looking components...those early XTR parts were very handsome as well
On Wednesday, May 7, 2014 9:44:57 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: 
>
> Bad photo, pretty crank. 
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 5:21 PM, Jim Bronson 
> > wrote:
>
>> This thread is worthless without Pics!! 
>>
>> ;);)
>>
>>
>>  On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 6:13 PM, Patrick Moore 
>> 
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>  For the Ram; half the motive is just the conceit of having an all or 
>>> more-or-less all Dura Ace drivetrain; the other is to get a bit more gap 
>>> between inside of right arm and middle of outer ring. 
>>>
>>> At any rate, I lucked into a very nice, 170 mm pair for $72 shipped 
>>> Priority. They arrived today. 2-3 small scratches on the drive side arm, 
>>> but overall very good. 
>>>
>>> What pretty cranks! I've seen the older, 740X model which is squarer in 
>>> form; it's nice. But damn if the 7410 isn't prettier, in my experience. And 
>>> so silvery and shiny! IMO, one of the prettiest cranks I've seen, and I've 
>>> seen plenty, with its spare, light shape and bright finish.
>>>
>>> As usual, sometime listmember Ryan Watson has -- of course -- the 
>>> requisite 103 mm Phil bearing assembly to swap for my 115. 
>>>
>>> Now my only remaining decision is between 8 speed DA shifters (for 
>>> indexing) or nice Silvers or similar for friction.
>>>
>>> I've heard that the 8 speed Hyperglide indexes better than the 7 speed 
>>> stuff: is that true?
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Question about Bleriot selling...drops or Albas more likely to sell?

[Matthew J]

More work, but I think you will find doing so will speed the process and 
yield higher returns.

On Thursday, May 8, 2014 1:14:29 AM UTC-5, Michael wrote:
>
> Thanks for the thoughts. Might be the way to go by selling frame 
> separately. Then wheels. Then other components from the bike since so many 
> are newish.

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