[RBW] Re: New-Bombadil-Day!

[WETH]

Tony,
That looks great!  Enjoy the ride in this morning.  The full moon was 
hanging just above the trees as I left my house on my bike at 6 this 
morning.  A glorious morning to bike commute and on a New-Bombadil, too, 
enjoy!
I look forward to seeing the bike in person.
Erl 

On Thursday, November 6, 2014 11:42:16 PM UTC-5, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> Pardon the poor image quality... I met up with Tom at about 4:30 today to 
> pick up my new blue 56 Bombadil. It was a real pleasure meeting you Tom, 
> thanks for the fantastic bike!
>
> While the bike came with a sweet Bullmoose cockpit I have a ~80 mile ride 
> planned for Veterans Day and I didn't think I could hack the upright 
> cockpit for that long of a day so I went into a crash build tonight with 
> parts from all over the garage... good thing my Saluki is still down for 
> the count as many of her parts were pressed into service.  And yes as 
> you'll see the Co-Op Nitto Handle Works Forged stem did make the initial 
> build! :)  Build highlights;
>
> 56 Bombadil - taller and bigger than I had expected... very close 
> dimensions to my 60 Saluki
> 48cm Noodle handlebars w/ Nitto forged stem
> Bruce Gordon Canti's (super sweet, thanks Tom!)
> Sugino Triple off my Saluki
> Velocity 32H 650B wheelset off my Saluki
> Vee Rubber 650Bx1.95 Tires
> VO Orange brake cable housing
> Silver Shifter (rear/right only)
> No FD, stick shift for now
> Nitto R-14 rear rack / Nitto saddlebag QR & Carradice longflap
>
> I think that's about it, I'll be commuting in tomorrow morning thanks to 
> the successful build tonight... Can't wait!
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Berthoud front bag vendors' stiffner varieties. What are the diffs?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 11/06/2014 10:52 PM, lungimsam wrote:
So I would guess that Compass is talking about the stock Berthoud 
cardboard stiffner when they mention it in their description?




Unless Berthoud has changed its stiffeners in the past half dozen years, 
you are wrong about "stock cardboard."  I have two Berthoud bags; the 
stiffeners are made of plastic, not cardboard.



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[Steve Palincsar]

On 11/06/2014 08:49 PM, justinaug...@gmail.com wrote:

THERE IS ONE GROK. KNEEL BEFORE GROK!

I guess squat before Grok would make more sense.


"Sense" has been conspicuous by its absence around here for a long, long 
time.


Are you now arguing for paleo monotheism?





Anyways.

-J

On Thursday, November 6, 2014 2:13:32 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:

On 11/06/2014 05:02 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:

There is simply too much we do not know to say the paleo lifespan
was (pick your number). 


There never was any such thing as "/the/ paleo life" any more than
there was a single "paleo" diet.  There were many different
paleolithic life styles and many different diets.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Berthoud front bag vendors' stiffner varieties. What are the diffs?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 11/06/2014 07:12 PM, Anton Tutter wrote:

The stiffener that comes with Berthouds is high-density cardboard.


I've never seen cardboard like that.

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[RBW] Re: New-Bombadil-Day!

[Pondero]

Excellent!  Happy for you, Tony. It looks great and I hope you have a 
special Veteran's Day bonding experience.

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Re: [RBW] Re: New-Bombadil-Day!

[Tony DeFilippo]

Thanks guys!  Glorious first morning ride on the Bombadil... I left the
house about the same time as Erl headed for Old Town Alexandria where I met
up with my friend Wes for coffee (inside coffee - Misha's).  After a
pleasant 20 min of coffee and conversation we headed into the city.  My
first random impressions of the bike/build;

-Decent tires are a revelatoin after 2 months of some hard, cheap 26"
rubber I've been running on the XO-3.
-Riding geared after 2 months of single speed makes me feel fast (even
though I'm not)
-I miss my interrupter levers on the noodle bars
-The bike frame fits nicely, disappears under me and deinitely gives a
'confident' ride
-My sweet new Nitto stem is to long for noodles... :(  so it will get
demo'd with albatross bars soon

-Clear, crisp Nov mornings are hard to beat on any bike. The Potomac was a
gorgeous azure-blue (not unlike my new Bombadil!), the horizon was super
crisp... the light in general was really nice.

Couple tweaks before the Veterans Day ride but I'm thrilled to be back on a
Riv!

Tony

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[Ron Mc]

now wait a minute here - grain is not sin - Joseph saved civilization by 
tithing the world's grain supply.  Grain is not evil - it is the foundation 
of all civilization.  Not picking on Grant here, but at some point it's the 
people writing books who are duping the public more than the triglyceride 
factories.  I was fat, now I'm not, you should be like me.  No, I'm not 
like you, I've always been active and healthy.  My grandfather was a grain 
and pig farmer and he lived to 96.  My grandmother made biscuits and 
cornbread at every meal (the dogs got the breakfast cornbread, and they 
lived healthy lives, too).  

On Friday, November 7, 2014 6:40:04 AM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>  On 11/06/2014 08:49 PM, justin...@gmail.com  wrote:
>  
> THERE IS ONE GROK. KNEEL BEFORE GROK! 
>
>  I guess squat before Grok would make more sense.
>  
>
> "Sense" has been conspicuous by its absence around here for a long, long 
> time.
>
> Are you now arguing for paleo monotheism?
>
>
>
>  
>  Anyways.
>
>  -J
>
> On Thursday, November 6, 2014 2:13:32 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: 
>>
>>  On 11/06/2014 05:02 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>  
>> There is simply too much we do not know to say the paleo lifespan was 
>> (pick your number). 
>>
>>
>> There never was any such thing as "*the* paleo life" any more than there 
>> was a single "paleo" diet.  There were many different paleolithic life 
>> styles and many different diets.
>>
>>
>  

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[Deacon Patrick]

The grain of today is not the grain of Jesus or Joseph. It has been 
selectively bread to withstand bugs and blights and climates, which means 
more grows for the same effort, at the price of anti-nutrients that can 
wreak havoc on health. It is also interesting to note that based on fossil 
record dental caries came about with the rise of agriculture and did not 
exist before.

At least for me, grain is a "fall back food" -- if my choice is eat it or 
starve, grain is indeed the bread of life.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, November 7, 2014 7:01:20 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> now wait a minute here - grain is not sin - Joseph saved civilization by 
> tithing the world's grain supply.  Grain is not evil - it is the foundation 
> of all civilization.  Not picking on Grant here, but at some point it's the 
> people writing books who are duping the public more than the triglyceride 
> factories.  I was fat, now I'm not, you should be like me.  No, I'm not 
> like you, I've always been active and healthy.  My grandfather was a grain 
> and pig farmer and he lived to 96.  My grandmother made biscuits and 
> cornbread at every meal (the dogs got the breakfast cornbread, and they 
> lived healthy lives, too).  
>
> On Friday, November 7, 2014 6:40:04 AM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>>  On 11/06/2014 08:49 PM, justin...@gmail.com wrote:
>>  
>> THERE IS ONE GROK. KNEEL BEFORE GROK! 
>>
>>  I guess squat before Grok would make more sense.
>>  
>>
>> "Sense" has been conspicuous by its absence around here for a long, long 
>> time.
>>
>> Are you now arguing for paleo monotheism?
>>
>>
>>
>>  
>>  Anyways.
>>
>>  -J
>>
>> On Thursday, November 6, 2014 2:13:32 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: 
>>>
>>>  On 11/06/2014 05:02 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>  
>>> There is simply too much we do not know to say the paleo lifespan was 
>>> (pick your number). 
>>>
>>>
>>> There never was any such thing as "*the* paleo life" any more than 
>>> there was a single "paleo" diet.  There were many different paleolithic 
>>> life styles and many different diets.
>>>
>>>
>>  

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[Ron Mc]

no food can wreak havoc on any person's health.  Only the person can do 
that by the choices they make.  Fad diets count among bad choices - rank 
them up there with Jacqueline Suzanne novels, because that is where they 
belong - they are the fast food of the publishing industry.  

On Friday, November 7, 2014 8:09:30 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> The grain of today is not the grain of Jesus or Joseph. It has been 
> selectively bread to withstand bugs and blights and climates, which means 
> more grows for the same effort, at the price of anti-nutrients that can 
> wreak havoc on health. It is also interesting to note that based on fossil 
> record dental caries came about with the rise of agriculture and did not 
> exist before.
>
> At least for me, grain is a "fall back food" -- if my choice is eat it or 
> starve, grain is indeed the bread of life.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Friday, November 7, 2014 7:01:20 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> now wait a minute here - grain is not sin - Joseph saved civilization by 
>> tithing the world's grain supply.  Grain is not evil - it is the foundation 
>> of all civilization.  Not picking on Grant here, but at some point it's the 
>> people writing books who are duping the public more than the triglyceride 
>> factories.  I was fat, now I'm not, you should be like me.  No, I'm not 
>> like you, I've always been active and healthy.  My grandfather was a grain 
>> and pig farmer and he lived to 96.  My grandmother made biscuits and 
>> cornbread at every meal (the dogs got the breakfast cornbread, and they 
>> lived healthy lives, too).  
>>
>> On Friday, November 7, 2014 6:40:04 AM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>>
>>>  On 11/06/2014 08:49 PM, justin...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>  
>>> THERE IS ONE GROK. KNEEL BEFORE GROK! 
>>>
>>>  I guess squat before Grok would make more sense.
>>>  
>>>
>>> "Sense" has been conspicuous by its absence around here for a long, long 
>>> time.
>>>
>>> Are you now arguing for paleo monotheism?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>  Anyways.
>>>
>>>  -J
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 6, 2014 2:13:32 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: 

  On 11/06/2014 05:02 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
  
 There is simply too much we do not know to say the paleo lifespan was 
 (pick your number). 


 There never was any such thing as "*the* paleo life" any more than 
 there was a single "paleo" diet.  There were many different paleolithic 
 life styles and many different diets.


>>>  

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto 35F Campee Front Rack

[cyclotourist]

Yeah, I got carried away there a bit!

On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 10:54 PM, Mike Schiller 
wrote:

> I was wondering what you were gunna do with that big rack.   32F otherwise
> known as the mini campee.
>
> ~mike
> Carlsbad Ca
>
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[Patrick Moore]

Now this may well be true; any sources for more information about it?

On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 7:09 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> The grain of today is not the grain of Jesus or Joseph. It has been
> selectively bread to withstand bugs and blights and climates, which means
> more grows for the same effort, at the price of anti-nutrients that can
> wreak havoc on health.
>

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[Bill Lindsay]

"No food can wreak havoc on any person's health"

That's very well played.  It's like "guns don't kill people, people kill 
people".  Bad foods don't cause poor health, *eating* bad foods cause poor 
health.

Rhetorical yoga, but it's true.  Refined sugar won't cause any health 
problems, provided you don't consume too much of it.  Peanuts don't kill 
people with peanut allergies, provided they don't eat them.  Gluten won't 
wreck a celiac, provided the celiac doesn't eat the gluten.  



On Friday, November 7, 2014 6:37:32 AM UTC-8, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> no food can wreak havoc on any person's health.  Only the person can do 
> that by the choices they make.  Fad diets count among bad choices - rank 
> them up there with Jacqueline Suzanne novels, because that is where they 
> belong - they are the fast food of the publishing industry.  
>
>
  

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[RBW] Re: Bike Industry Controlled by Grant Peterson

[Montclair BobbyB]

Agree, to me "gravel grinding" is a cringe-worthy misnomer... although I DO 
cringe any time I encounter loose gravel *(at which point the 'grinding' 
part is spot-on).* 

I formally refer to this kind of riding as "combo riding" *(which I'm sure 
many of us do as part of any normal ride)*.  A bunch of my friends and I 
are planning a special combo ride next weekend from High Point (NJ) to 
Blairstown, on a varied mix of XC ski trail, paved road, wooded single 
track, dirt road, packed rail trail, and maybe even a little unplanned 
improv if the road/trail (on the map) no longer exists in the real world... 
these rides can get a bit crazy, so we've affectionately dubbed them 
"mutant" rides... They're my absolute favorite.

BB

On Thursday, November 6, 2014 11:00:04 AM UTC-5, Anton Tutter wrote:
>
> Right, and GP wasn't the only one preaching that sermon. There was also 
> Jan Heine and to a lesser extent and more recently, VO.
>
> I do dislike the term "gravel grinding", because it has connotations of 
> effort and exertion. I prefer dirt-road riding, or gravel road riding, or 
> even mixed terrain riding, but none of those sound particularly catchy.
>
> Anton
>  
>
> On Wednesday, November 5, 2014 11:13:20 PM UTC-5, Mike Schiller wrote:
>>
>> not quite decades... but certainly for the last few years. Many Rivs from 
>> the late 90's wont fit anything larger than 32mm tires. And lest we forget 
>> many sport tourers from the 60-70's fit 35mm tires.  and of course 
>> those demi-balloon 40-50 mm tired bikes from France. 
>>
>> as far as "gravel" riders the gravel races are races, full lycra kits 
>> and an emphasis on speed ... certainly not unracers.
>>
>>
>> ~mike
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 5, 2014 9:21:18 AM UTC-8, Noah Deuce wrote:
>>>
>>> Hyperbole, sure, but the drum GP has been beating for decades (better 
>>> tire clearance, too much emphasis on racing, etc.) has finally turned into 
>>> a product "category" that may save the industry from itself. 
>>>
>>> Just see the latest by Guitar Ted: 
>>> http://www.gravelgrindernews.com/less-about-the-rock-and-more-about-the-roll/
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Industry Controlled by Grant Peterson

[Montclair BobbyB]

Ah, the KOM... Beauty!!! Out-aggro'd?  Perhaps, but seldom out-classed!! 
 Keep that beauty in the family for sure.  BB   

On Thursday, November 6, 2014 11:16:20 AM UTC-5, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> I agree, there were some great "all-terrain" bikes built in the 80s.  I 
> love my '88 Schwinn KOM (lugs, prestige, XT, and now drops).  It's funny 
> how a bike that was built as an aggressive racer (and championship winner!) 
> has been out-aggro'd by 30 years of suspension and fat tires.
>
>
>
> I ride a head-shock Cannondale--and now my new Fatboy--for aggressive 
> single track.  The obstacles and big hits are better handled by those newer 
> bikes with knobby tires and wide handlebars.  
>
> But the KOM is still a fast, playful, indestructible bike and makes a 
> great bike for gravel.  The drop bars really changed the feel of the bike 
> (or how I feel on it), and now it just flies on any surface.
>
> I recently broke the original XT rear derailer, and I had to choke back a 
> tear for losing such a trusty, original component.  But, the new cheapo 
> Acera RD is lighter and smoother--maybe because of those huge pulleys Grant 
> likes so much!  (That said, anyone have a XT-M730 RD 
> 
>  
> around?  Or for parts?)
>
> Old steel is still real!  With new paint, I'll be passing this bike (and 
> my others) down to future generations.
>
> Tim
> in:
>
>
>
>
>> Now 30 years later, while my mountain biking has evolved somewhat, and I 
>> followed the industry trends for awhile (dabbling with full-suspension, 
>> aluminum, titanium, etc)  I've gone back to riding a simple, fully-rigid 
>> steel frame/fork (kinda like the original 80s bikes), not because I'm 
>> nostalgic, but because it just FEELS right.  And as for the original 80s 
>> designs, I think the industry absolutely nailed it in designing perfect 
>> workhorse all-rounders build to last... And think about it... the frames, 
>> shifters, brake levers, derailleurs etc of the 80s are still around (I 
>> actually prefer them) because they were built to LAST!  It's a shame that 
>> most of the industry (starting in the late 80s) seemed to drift away from 
>> building these super-high-quality, overbuilt bikes and components in favor 
>> of evolving designs, and (IMO) cheaper-quality... I hope we're seeing this 
>> trend reversed...
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Berthoud front bag vendors' stiffner varieties. What are the diffs?

[Anton Tutter]

Semantics.

It's not corrugated like typical cardboard, but solid, made with a similar 
pulpy water-absorbant material, approximately 5-6 times the thickness of 
cereal box cardboard. Still cardboard if you ask me. Sort of like the 
material in this photo: 
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-NvBxfIVgWBU/T0PK4IHVsFI/CDk/uIJsMNXUk3E/s1600/2012-02-21_10-41-55_391.jpg

I have two Berthoud hbar bags, one older (90s? 00s?) and one newer (2013). 
Both have it.  The older one has a glossy laminate on the exposed side, 
kind of like that glossy paper laminate you find on some gift boxes. The 
newer one doesn't have that laminate. I'll shoot some photos tonight to 
illustrate.



On Friday, November 7, 2014 7:41:20 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> On 11/06/2014 07:12 PM, Anton Tutter wrote: 
> > The stiffener that comes with Berthouds is high-density cardboard. 
>
> I've never seen cardboard like that. 
>

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[Deacon Patrick]

The simple answer is no, I'd have to search for them to find them again. 

It is intriguing that sprouting, fermenting, and soaking were pretty 
standard ways of preparing grains for consumption before easily obtainable 
processed flour. Those processes decrease the amount of anti-nutrients. We 
tried this with oats at one point, finding old Scottish recipes for 
soaked/fermented oats that sat out for a week or more. What we learned was 
it lessened the anti-nutrients, but there was no way to duplicate the 
fermenting process that farmers allowed to happen BEFORE harvesting the 
oats, leaving them on the stalk. That would be fascinating to try to see if 
it makes a difference.

The Weston Price Foundation may be a good place to start 
looking. http://www.westonaprice.org

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, November 7, 2014 7:52:20 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Now this may well be true; any sources for more information about it?
>
> On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 7:09 AM, Deacon Patrick  > wrote:
>
>> The grain of today is not the grain of Jesus or Joseph. It has been 
>> selectively bread to withstand bugs and blights and climates, which means 
>> more grows for the same effort, at the price of anti-nutrients that can 
>> wreak havoc on health. 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Industry Controlled by Grant Peterson

[Montclair BobbyB]

Chris:

I didn't take my Typhoon on many actual trails (although I'm sure I would 
have struggled on climbs), but I sure spent lots of time on grass, jumping 
curbs, and skidding on gravel-dirt like nobody's business... 

Funny story, I spent a year a Univ of Dayton in 1976, and took along my 
trusty campus cruiser ('62 red Typhoon with white pinstriped rims and 
bricktread fat tires). One of my dorm buddies took a particular shining to 
it, and always asked to borrow it (everyone else riding their racing bikes 
around campus made fun of my Typhoon)... But this one guy (had a gleam in 
his eye when he looked at my Typhoon) and would ride it over anything that 
DIDN'T resemble a road, including snow mounds, stairs... you name it.  And 
BTW that guy's name was Maurice Tierney, who *(many years later)* founded 
Dirt Rag / Bicycle Times.  *(I like to kid around and claim that I got 
Maurice hooked on mountain biking... oddly there's a little bit of truth to 
that... and we owe lots of thanks to Frank Schwinn, father of the original 
fat tire movement... the rest is history.)*  

BB

On Thursday, November 6, 2014 11:54:25 AM UTC-5, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:
>
> I couldn't agree more.  My tastes in bikes have evolved but I've pretty 
> much arrived at wanting an mid-to-late 80's style All-Rounder bike.  I 
> struggled with the idea of buying a full-fledged MTB for over a year but I 
> finally got out and tried true single-track and discovered I did not enjoy 
> it at all.  Pavement, dirt roads, gravel roads, fire trails and even 
> relatively smooth but wider single-track sounds fun.  I'm more into the 
> journey and the scenery than the high speed, high adrenaline rush of 
> shredding. 
>
> I think the closest thing in my price range is going to be a 26" Long Haul 
> Trucker and that's what I plan to purchase in the Spring.  I'm thinking it 
> will have the benefits of my Takara Highlander but with much more nimble 
> and responsive steering.  I'm hoping it's my "perfect" bike.  I'll probably 
> keep my Takara as a dedicated single-speed because it is just SO MUCH FUN 
> to ride!!  
>
> I almost forgot to ask, but do you remember if your Schwinn Typhoon had 
> the horrendous wheel flop that many early ATB's shared and also DID many of 
> the early 80's ATB's have that characteristic?  I might replace the Takara 
> as a single-speed if I can find a mid-to-late 80's ATB with longer 
> chainstays but a steeper headangle and with forward facing dropouts.  
>
>
>
> On Thursday, November 6, 2014 9:06:13 AM UTC-6, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>>
>> Eric:
>>
>> Indeed, Mountain Bike WAS an excellent magazine, and (having grown up on 
>> a fat-tired Schwinn Typhoon), I remember in 1985 how smitten I became with 
>> the whole idea of mountain bikes... WOW, the mere notion of riding bikes in 
>> the back-country just blew my mind.  For the entire month of June 1985 I 
>> was on a business trip in Pueblo Colorado, where I would hang out every day 
>> after work at the local bike shop talking mountain biking with the staff. 
>>  I bought a copy of Mountain Bike mag, and there was a feature article 
>> about Crested Butte and the emerging mountain biking scene.  I checked the 
>> map (hmm, just a few hours away), made hotel reservations for the weekend 
>> in Crested Butte, found a local shop to rent me a Rockhopper, and spent 2 
>> glorious days riding the high country above CB (Schofield Pass, etc.)... I 
>> was HOOKED for life!
>>
>> Now 30 years later, while my mountain biking has evolved somewhat, and I 
>> followed the industry trends for awhile (dabbling with full-suspension, 
>> aluminum, titanium, etc)  I've gone back to riding a simple, fully-rigid 
>> steel frame/fork (kinda like the original 80s bikes), not because I'm 
>> nostalgic, but because it just FEELS right.  And as for the original 80s 
>> designs, I think the industry absolutely nailed it in designing perfect 
>> workhorse all-rounders build to last... And think about it... the frames, 
>> shifters, brake levers, derailleurs etc of the 80s are still around (I 
>> actually prefer them) because they were built to LAST!  It's a shame that 
>> most of the industry (starting in the late 80s) seemed to drift away from 
>> building these super-high-quality, overbuilt bikes and components in favor 
>> of evolving designs, and (IMO) cheaper-quality... I hope we're seeing this 
>> trend reversed...
>>
>>
>>
>>  
>> On Thursday, November 6, 2014 7:01:52 AM UTC-5, EricP wrote:
>>>
>>> While Fat Tire Flyer was my main influence into riding bikes with wider 
>>> tires, the short-lived magazine "Mountain Bike - for the Adventure" put out 
>>> by Hank Barlow was more my style.  It focused more on touring back roads 
>>> and recreational riding, moreso than racing.  Although racing did show up 
>>> in the magazine.  The first issue actually had reviews of small tents for 
>>> mountain bike touring.
>>>
>>> Eric Platt
>>> St. Paul, MN
>>>
>>> Eric Platt
>>> St. Paul, MN
>>>
>>> On

[RBW] Re: FS: Carradice Super C Panniers - Front and/or Rear

[Montclair BobbyB]

BUMMER!  Anyone else have a set of Super C's they're looking to sell??

BB

On Thursday, November 6, 2014 3:45:27 PM UTC-5, Ryan wrote:
>
> SOLD.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Industry Controlled by Grant Peterson

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I don't do much off-road riding either but that style of bike is fun to 
ride anywhere!! 

I found what is basically an engineering drawing that Joe Breeze did of 
Breezer #1 and it had a 67.5 degree head angle and 50mm of rake on the 
fork.  Given that Tom Ritchey was influenced by the Breezers, I doubt there 
was a huge difference in the way the Breezers and Ritcheys rode versus the 
Stumpjumpers and other mass produced MTB's.  

I'm finding that on my old Highlander, the key is to really use my body 
more and my handlebars less.  I tend to do this on any bike but I'm finding 
that greatly exaggerating what I do on my other, more nimble, bikes works 
really well on this one.  Fat tires, long wheelbase, slack angles and one 
gear.LOVE IT!!  





On Friday, November 7, 2014 9:44:04 AM UTC-6, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>
> Chris:
>
> I didn't take my Typhoon on many actual trails (although I'm sure I would 
> have struggled on climbs), but I sure spent lots of time on grass, jumping 
> curbs, and skidding on gravel-dirt like nobody's business... 
>
> Funny story, I spent a year a Univ of Dayton in 1976, and took along my 
> trusty campus cruiser ('62 red Typhoon with white pinstriped rims and 
> bricktread fat tires). One of my dorm buddies took a particular shining to 
> it, and always asked to borrow it (everyone else riding their racing bikes 
> around campus made fun of my Typhoon)... But this one guy (had a gleam in 
> his eye when he looked at my Typhoon) and would ride it over anything that 
> DIDN'T resemble a road, including snow mounds, stairs... you name it.  And 
> BTW that guy's name was Maurice Tierney, who *(many years later)* founded 
> Dirt Rag / Bicycle Times.  *(I like to kid around and claim that I got 
> Maurice hooked on mountain biking... oddly there's a little bit of truth to 
> that... and we owe lots of thanks to Frank Schwinn, father of the original 
> fat tire movement... the rest is history.)*  
>
> BB
>
>


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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Rambouillet

[bingomck]

$1,200 + s/p

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RE: [RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto 35F Campee Front Rack

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Mike:  Are you interested in one?  Can’t tell for certain from your message.  
Tom

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Subject: [RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto 35F Campee Front Rack

I was wondering what you were gunna do with that big rack.   32F otherwise 
known as the mini campee.

~mike
Carlsbad Ca

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RE: [RBW] New-Bombadil-Day!

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Always a pleasure to meet up with folks I’ve been corresponding with on this 
list, and the beer with Tony was a plus!  That build looks great, Tony, and 
much more practical than my silly interim single speed build on that frame.

Congratulations, and thanks for an entirely pleasant transaction.

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Subject: [RBW] New-Bombadil-Day!

Pardon the poor image quality... I met up with Tom at about 4:30 today to pick 
up my new blue 56 Bombadil. It was a real pleasure meeting you Tom, thanks for 
the fantastic bike!

While the bike came with a sweet Bullmoose cockpit I have a ~80 mile ride 
planned for Veterans Day and I didn't think I could hack the upright cockpit 
for that long of a day so I went into a crash build tonight with parts from all 
over the garage... good thing my Saluki is still down for the count as many of 
her parts were pressed into service.  And yes as you'll see the Co-Op Nitto 
Handle Works Forged stem did make the initial build! :)  Build highlights;

56 Bombadil - taller and bigger than I had expected... very close dimensions to 
my 60 Saluki
48cm Noodle handlebars w/ Nitto forged stem
Bruce Gordon Canti's (super sweet, thanks Tom!)
Sugino Triple off my Saluki
Velocity 32H 650B wheelset off my Saluki
Vee Rubber 650Bx1.95 Tires
VO Orange brake cable housing
Silver Shifter (rear/right only)
No FD, stick shift for now
Nitto R-14 rear rack / Nitto saddlebag QR & Carradice longflap

I think that's about it, I'll be commuting in tomorrow morning thanks to the 
successful build tonight... Can't wait!

Tony



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Re: [RBW] WTB: Nitto 35F Campee Front Rack

[Jim Bronson]

there was one on the 650B list, but it wasn't the smallish 32F, it was
a big one.

On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 6:46 PM, cyclotourist  wrote:
> Any used ones out there? I'm swapping one between bikes, and figure it might
> be easier to just commit!
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Industry Controlled by Grant Peterson

[tarik saleh]

Hey Bobby,

That is a great story indeed. As someone who has had a passel of typhoons
over the years which have seen a fair bit of off road action, and as
someone who has met and ridden with Maurice a few times, and been a dirt
rag subscriber since the nineties, I really appreciate it.

Thanks

Tarik


On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 8:44 AM, Montclair BobbyB 
wrote:

> Chris:
>
> I didn't take my Typhoon on many actual trails (although I'm sure I would
> have struggled on climbs), but I sure spent lots of time on grass, jumping
> curbs, and skidding on gravel-dirt like nobody's business...
>
> Funny story, I spent a year a Univ of Dayton in 1976, and took along my
> trusty campus cruiser ('62 red Typhoon with white pinstriped rims and
> bricktread fat tires). One of my dorm buddies took a particular shining to
> it, and always asked to borrow it (everyone else riding their racing bikes
> around campus made fun of my Typhoon)... But this one guy (had a gleam in
> his eye when he looked at my Typhoon) and would ride it over anything that
> DIDN'T resemble a road, including snow mounds, stairs... you name it.  And
> BTW that guy's name was Maurice Tierney, who *(many years later)* founded
> Dirt Rag / Bicycle Times.  *(I like to kid around and claim that I got
> Maurice hooked on mountain biking... oddly there's a little bit of truth to
> that... and we owe lots of thanks to Frank Schwinn, father of the original
> fat tire movement... the rest is history.)*
>
> BB
>
>
> On Thursday, November 6, 2014 11:54:25 AM UTC-5, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:
>>
>> I couldn't agree more.  My tastes in bikes have evolved but I've pretty
>> much arrived at wanting an mid-to-late 80's style All-Rounder bike.  I
>> struggled with the idea of buying a full-fledged MTB for over a year but I
>> finally got out and tried true single-track and discovered I did not enjoy
>> it at all.  Pavement, dirt roads, gravel roads, fire trails and even
>> relatively smooth but wider single-track sounds fun.  I'm more into the
>> journey and the scenery than the high speed, high adrenaline rush of
>> shredding.
>>
>> I think the closest thing in my price range is going to be a 26" Long
>> Haul Trucker and that's what I plan to purchase in the Spring.  I'm
>> thinking it will have the benefits of my Takara Highlander but with much
>> more nimble and responsive steering.  I'm hoping it's my "perfect" bike.
>> I'll probably keep my Takara as a dedicated single-speed because it is just
>> SO MUCH FUN to ride!!
>>
>> I almost forgot to ask, but do you remember if your Schwinn Typhoon had
>> the horrendous wheel flop that many early ATB's shared and also DID many of
>> the early 80's ATB's have that characteristic?  I might replace the Takara
>> as a single-speed if I can find a mid-to-late 80's ATB with longer
>> chainstays but a steeper headangle and with forward facing dropouts.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, November 6, 2014 9:06:13 AM UTC-6, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>>>
>>> Eric:
>>>
>>> Indeed, Mountain Bike WAS an excellent magazine, and (having grown up on
>>> a fat-tired Schwinn Typhoon), I remember in 1985 how smitten I became with
>>> the whole idea of mountain bikes... WOW, the mere notion of riding bikes in
>>> the back-country just blew my mind.  For the entire month of June 1985 I
>>> was on a business trip in Pueblo Colorado, where I would hang out every day
>>> after work at the local bike shop talking mountain biking with the staff.
>>> I bought a copy of Mountain Bike mag, and there was a feature article about
>>> Crested Butte and the emerging mountain biking scene.  I checked the map
>>> (hmm, just a few hours away), made hotel reservations for the weekend in
>>> Crested Butte, found a local shop to rent me a Rockhopper, and spent 2
>>> glorious days riding the high country above CB (Schofield Pass, etc.)... I
>>> was HOOKED for life!
>>>
>>> Now 30 years later, while my mountain biking has evolved somewhat, and I
>>> followed the industry trends for awhile (dabbling with full-suspension,
>>> aluminum, titanium, etc)  I've gone back to riding a simple, fully-rigid
>>> steel frame/fork (kinda like the original 80s bikes), not because I'm
>>> nostalgic, but because it just FEELS right.  And as for the original 80s
>>> designs, I think the industry absolutely nailed it in designing perfect
>>> workhorse all-rounders build to last... And think about it... the frames,
>>> shifters, brake levers, derailleurs etc of the 80s are still around (I
>>> actually prefer them) because they were built to LAST!  It's a shame that
>>> most of the industry (starting in the late 80s) seemed to drift away from
>>> building these super-high-quality, overbuilt bikes and components in favor
>>> of evolving designs, and (IMO) cheaper-quality... I hope we're seeing this
>>> trend reversed...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 6, 2014 7:01:52 AM UTC-5, EricP wrote:

 While Fat Tire Flyer was my main influence into riding bikes with wider
 tires, the short-liv

[RBW] Re: New-Bombadil-Day!

[Deacon Patrick]

Looking good! A sharp start to what will hopefully be a long and prosperous 
friendship!

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: New-Bombadil-Day!

[Tony DeFilippo]

Tom - I couldn't agree more.  An excellent transaction all around!  And I
wouldn't call your SS build 'silly', it was a very stylish and unique look
and I may very well revisit it at some point.  I took a spin around the
block with those bullmoose bars last night mid-build, they are unlike
anything I've ridden before.  I definitely want to give it a decent try
especially offroad sometime soon.

Thanks Patrick - I certainly hope so. I've had a lot of churn on the bike
stable over the past 2 years which hasn't gone unnoticed by my lovely
Wife.  I think the Saluki-Bombadil duo does a nice job of satisfying both
practicality and vanity... and of course there's no good reason to divest
myself of the XO-3 or Bob Jackson (project) either... :)

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Re: [RBW] Re: New-Bombadil-Day!

[Bill Lindsay]

I really wanted to buy it.  I'm really glad you did, and it stayed "in the 
family".  

On Friday, November 7, 2014 10:37:22 AM UTC-8, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> Tom - I couldn't agree more.  An excellent transaction all around!  And I 
> wouldn't call your SS build 'silly', it was a very stylish and unique look 
> and I may very well revisit it at some point.  I took a spin around the 
> block with those bullmoose bars last night mid-build, they are unlike 
> anything I've ridden before.  I definitely want to give it a decent try 
> especially offroad sometime soon.
>  
> Thanks Patrick - I certainly hope so. I've had a lot of churn on the bike 
> stable over the past 2 years which hasn't gone unnoticed by my lovely 
> Wife.  I think the Saluki-Bombadil duo does a nice job of satisfying both 
> practicality and vanity... and of course there's no good reason to divest 
> myself of the XO-3 or Bob Jackson (project) either... :)
>  
>  
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Re: [RBW] WTB: Nitto 35F Campee Front Rack

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

Thanks Jim! I've had some offers on the larger one, probably because I put 
the wrong model # down. D'oh!

On Friday, November 7, 2014 9:25:37 AM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> there was one on the 650B list, but it wasn't the smallish 32F, it was 
> a big one. 
>
> On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 6:46 PM, cyclotourist  > wrote: 
> > Any used ones out there? I'm swapping one between bikes, and figure it 
> might 
> > be easier to just commit! 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Cheers, 
> > David 
> > 
> > Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace 
> > 
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> > 
> > 
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[Trenker]

I wonder what the average weight of a Rivendell owner is? 

:-)


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[Deacon Patrick]

N+1
Grin.

With abandon,
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On Friday, November 7, 2014 12:38:05 PM UTC-7, Trenker wrote:
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>
>
> I wonder what the average weight of a Rivendell owner is? 
>
> :-)
>
>
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[RBW] Alternatives to MUSA pants and knickers?

[Christian]

Hi All,

I was interested in buying a pair of either the pants or the knickers but 
they're sold out--knickers might be back in 2015, so says the website.  So, 
I'm looking for alternatives.  Something similar--quick drying, maybe a 
little (a lot?) wind-resistant, simple.  Thanks

Christian 

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[RBW] Re: Alternatives to MUSA pants and knickers?

[Deacon Patrick]

Check out Rail Riders pants. They are my back up plan for when I need to 
replace my Rivs. The only downside Is we'd have to sew the paints into 
knickers. 
http://www.railriders.com

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[RBW] Re: Hilsen Overhaul

[stonehog]

Agreed - thanks, Michael.  The 105 and a Sachs I had laying around both 
have cages that nearly brush the chain stay.  I pulled the CX70 from the 
hunqa and will be using that.

Brian

On Wednesday, November 5, 2014 3:27:40 AM UTC-8, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> I have not found the 105 to be the best choice for very small chainrings. 
>  The cage is too long to get low enough before it hits the stay.  I have 
> found the Campy Comp Triple to be much better.  I think the IRD is molded 
> after it.
>
> Enjoy the new ride.
>
> Michael
>
> On Wednesday, November 5, 2014 1:42:43 AM UTC-5, stonehog wrote:
>>
>> I am finishing up an overhaul on my '09 AHH.  I've changed out a few 
>> things - replaced my Jack Brown Greens (measured 34.5mm when I pulled 'em) 
>> with Compass Stampede Pass rubber (measuring around 31.5mm).  Edelux 2 to 
>> improve lighting from the original 1.  
>>
>> On a lark, I put the old Mark's rack with the Plat rack extension on the 
>> back of the bike.  I've come to realize that I don't like putting the 
>> weight up front on this guy due to wheel flop, but I still want to 
>> occasionally camp with this bike - a good platform is key.  
>>
>> I also changed out most of the drivetrain:
>> 1. dropped the 44T for a 42T to hopefully reduce the chance of breaking 
>> another front derailleur
>> 2. went back to indexed 9-speed downtube shifters and rear 9-speed 
>> cassette - also retrying the Wipperman chain
>>
>> In an effort to reduce the (albeit light) occasional shimmy, I put a 
>> Miche needle bearing headset on.  
>>
>> Initial test rides show are nice and snappy!!, but I have some work to do 
>> on the derailleur adjustments (rear) and will have to put the 105 front 
>> derailleur back on (tried an older Sachs) due to clearance on the tight 
>> Compass cranks.  One more day and it'll be just right.  
>>
>> Pics:  https://flic.kr/s/aHsk4EQ4R1
>>
>> Brian Hanson
>> Seattle, WA
>> Bike Blog 
>>  
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Re: [RBW] Re: New-Bombadil-Day!

[Tom Harrop]

Nice bike! There's something really enjoyable about riding a fat-tyred 
Bombadil with drop bars.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Alternatives to MUSA pants and knickers?

[Patrick Moore]

Bicycle Fixations has a couple of knickers models, I think. Me, I like the
old, no longer produced, hemp version better than the classic wool ones;
one pair of those I owned wore through in the leg rather quickly, though
this may have been a fluke.

They are having a sale on one model.

http://www.bicyclefixation.com/shop.html

On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Check out Rail Riders pants. They are my back up plan for when I need to
> replace my Rivs. The only downside Is we'd have to sew the paints into
> knickers.
> http://www.railriders.com
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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money, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto 35F Campee Front Rack

[Mike Schiller]

No Tom, just teasing David. I have a spare, but it is used occasionally on 
my monstercross bike.

~mike

On Friday, November 7, 2014 8:56:12 AM UTC-8, Pudge wrote:
>
>  Mike:  Are you interested in one?  Can’t tell for certain from your 
> message.  Tom
>
>  
>
> 
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[Bill]

So if we eliminate agriculture we'll all have perfect teeth and get rid of 
those pesky "anti-nutrients", whatever they are, as well?

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Re: [RBW] Re: New-Bombadil-Day!

[Bill]

Ah, you finally get to experience some double-top-tube goodness.  And if you 
eliminated the XO-3 you'd have more time and space to get the Saluki back on 
the road, i.e., N-1.

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[Ron Mc]

I'm 6'3" and 215 lbs.  My blood pressure today is the same as when I was 
19, though I was 15 lbs lighter when I was 19.  

On Friday, November 7, 2014 1:40:34 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> N+1
> Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Friday, November 7, 2014 12:38:05 PM UTC-7, Trenker wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I wonder what the average weight of a Rivendell owner is? 
>>
>> :-)
>>
>>
>>

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[Deacon Patrick]

On a personal and familial scale, yes. That is precisely what happened. 
Pre-paleo dental bill per child before they reached five: $4,000. Since 
paleo? Only the cost of checkups. Some cavities even vanished. Tooth care 
involves brushing with baking soda, flossing, and swishing mouth with 
coconut oil. No tooth paste or mouth wash. Beth is fresh and clean? Why? 
Friendly bacteria. 
 
Bill, in the age of the internet, there is no excuse for ignorance such as 
"anti-nutrients, whatever they are" so I presume you have no interest in 
finding out? In case you or others do, however, here is the impeccable yet 
oddly trusted Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antinutrient

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, November 7, 2014 2:54:04 PM UTC-7, Bill wrote:
>
> So if we eliminate agriculture we'll all have perfect teeth and get rid of 
> those pesky "anti-nutrients", whatever they are, as well?
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[Daniel D.]

Fad diets come and go.  I've lost 35 pounds this year, I'm lighter now than 
I was graduating high school.  Actually started out wanting to lose just 
~15 pounds  that I was over my usual weight but just kept on going.  Didn't 
do anything extreme just tracked my calories in/out and rode more/longer. 
 Easy stuff like only eating half that massive burrito and saving the other 
half for another meal.  My cholesterol's always been good and my blood 
pressure's down.  For most eating more sensibly and exercising works pretty 
darn well.

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[Patrick Moore]

It's hard to get annoyed at people who discover a way of eating that makes
them feel much better in many different ways, so I have no beef against the
-- what do you call'ems, those who eschew starch and eat mostly protein and
fat. My own take is that this is just one more example of how people thrive
on so many different diets. The Inuit, of course, were traditionally
notorious for living largely on meat, fat, and fish and, from what I've
read, they were normally healthy. OTOH, Orthodox monks, who never eat meat,
and eat dairy only on special occasions -- the very strict eat only
vegetables, and oil only on non-strict-fast days -- are themselves
notororious for living long and healthy lives, free in particular from the
chronic ailments (almost wrote aliments) suffered by the old accustomed to
what I think should be called the American commercial diet.

I was amused and annoyed to see that there is even a formal diet, with
websites, called the Daniel diet, after Daniel who refused Nebuchadnezzer's
rich palace food for legumes and who, with his friends, were healthier
after several months on them than the better fed.

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Re: [RBW] WTB Nitto Campee front rack

[Tim Gavin]

As far as I understand, they come in two sizes:  a 700 / 650 sized one that
you pictured (with angled mounts), and a 26" version (with straight mounts,
presumably to attach to the front of the fork).

Best of luck,
Tim

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>
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[Patrick Moore]

Dinner tonight: I'd like to hear what others have eaten over the last 32
days. "2" because I can't remember beyond that. I:

Thurs night: big bowl of spaghetti with olive oil, salt, black pepper, red
pepper; 6 pieces of toast with butter. Bad even by my standards, but I
didn't feel like going to the store.

Tonight: big stir fry of onions and Bell and Hatch peppers, to be eaten
wrapped in large flour tortillas with non-dairy mayo (nothing against
Hellman's, it's what I got at Costco.

Red wine in plenty. Black coffee, tea with cream and sugar.

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[RBW] Re: New-Bombadil-Day!

[DS]

Nice! Is this taking over the Atlantis as your new trail bike? If you need 
to break it in I'll be at Joaquin Miller park in Oakland tomorrow morning 
for a short ride.

On Thursday, November 6, 2014 8:42:16 PM UTC-8, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> Pardon the poor image quality... I met up with Tom at about 4:30 today to 
> pick up my new blue 56 Bombadil. It was a real pleasure meeting you Tom, 
> thanks for the fantastic bike!
>
> While the bike came with a sweet Bullmoose cockpit I have a ~80 mile ride 
> planned for Veterans Day and I didn't think I could hack the upright 
> cockpit for that long of a day so I went into a crash build tonight with 
> parts from all over the garage... good thing my Saluki is still down for 
> the count as many of her parts were pressed into service.  And yes as 
> you'll see the Co-Op Nitto Handle Works Forged stem did make the initial 
> build! :)  Build highlights;
>
> 56 Bombadil - taller and bigger than I had expected... very close 
> dimensions to my 60 Saluki
> 48cm Noodle handlebars w/ Nitto forged stem
> Bruce Gordon Canti's (super sweet, thanks Tom!)
> Sugino Triple off my Saluki
> Velocity 32H 650B wheelset off my Saluki
> Vee Rubber 650Bx1.95 Tires
> VO Orange brake cable housing
> Silver Shifter (rear/right only)
> No FD, stick shift for now
> Nitto R-14 rear rack / Nitto saddlebag QR & Carradice longflap
>
> I think that's about it, I'll be commuting in tomorrow morning thanks to 
> the successful build tonight... Can't wait!
>
> Tony
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New-Bombadil-Day!

[Tony DeFilippo]

The ride home was as enjoyable as the ride in...  the stem is definitely
getting replaced w/ a shorter one, maybe tonight.  And I'll get the
FD/shifter installed as well.

Bill - So considerate to look out for me like that! :)  You definitely have
first crack if I ever part w/ the big XO-3!

Dave - I think you have me confused w/ another poster, I did own a 64
Atlantis last year but it was way to big for me and I sold it to a
listmember on the west coast.  I live in the Washington DC area but I
appreciate the offer!


On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 5:24 PM, DS  wrote:

> Nice! Is this taking over the Atlantis as your new trail bike? If you need
> to break it in I'll be at Joaquin Miller park in Oakland tomorrow morning
> for a short ride.
>
> On Thursday, November 6, 2014 8:42:16 PM UTC-8, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
>> Pardon the poor image quality... I met up with Tom at about 4:30 today to
>> pick up my new blue 56 Bombadil. It was a real pleasure meeting you Tom,
>> thanks for the fantastic bike!
>>
>> While the bike came with a sweet Bullmoose cockpit I have a ~80 mile ride
>> planned for Veterans Day and I didn't think I could hack the upright
>> cockpit for that long of a day so I went into a crash build tonight with
>> parts from all over the garage... good thing my Saluki is still down for
>> the count as many of her parts were pressed into service.  And yes as
>> you'll see the Co-Op Nitto Handle Works Forged stem did make the initial
>> build! :)  Build highlights;
>>
>> 56 Bombadil - taller and bigger than I had expected... very close
>> dimensions to my 60 Saluki
>> 48cm Noodle handlebars w/ Nitto forged stem
>> Bruce Gordon Canti's (super sweet, thanks Tom!)
>> Sugino Triple off my Saluki
>> Velocity 32H 650B wheelset off my Saluki
>> Vee Rubber 650Bx1.95 Tires
>> VO Orange brake cable housing
>> Silver Shifter (rear/right only)
>> No FD, stick shift for now
>> Nitto R-14 rear rack / Nitto saddlebag QR & Carradice longflap
>>
>> I think that's about it, I'll be commuting in tomorrow morning thanks to
>> the successful build tonight... Can't wait!
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New-Bombadil-Day!

[David Stein]

Oh right, another Tony, sorry! Well nice ride either way!

On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Tony DeFilippo  wrote:

> The ride home was as enjoyable as the ride in...  the stem is definitely
> getting replaced w/ a shorter one, maybe tonight.  And I'll get the
> FD/shifter installed as well.
>
> Bill - So considerate to look out for me like that! :)  You definitely
> have first crack if I ever part w/ the big XO-3!
>
> Dave - I think you have me confused w/ another poster, I did own a 64
> Atlantis last year but it was way to big for me and I sold it to a
> listmember on the west coast.  I live in the Washington DC area but I
> appreciate the offer!
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 5:24 PM, DS  wrote:
>
>> Nice! Is this taking over the Atlantis as your new trail bike? If you
>> need to break it in I'll be at Joaquin Miller park in Oakland tomorrow
>> morning for a short ride.
>>
>> On Thursday, November 6, 2014 8:42:16 PM UTC-8, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>>
>>> Pardon the poor image quality... I met up with Tom at about 4:30 today
>>> to pick up my new blue 56 Bombadil. It was a real pleasure meeting you Tom,
>>> thanks for the fantastic bike!
>>>
>>> While the bike came with a sweet Bullmoose cockpit I have a ~80 mile
>>> ride planned for Veterans Day and I didn't think I could hack the upright
>>> cockpit for that long of a day so I went into a crash build tonight with
>>> parts from all over the garage... good thing my Saluki is still down for
>>> the count as many of her parts were pressed into service.  And yes as
>>> you'll see the Co-Op Nitto Handle Works Forged stem did make the initial
>>> build! :)  Build highlights;
>>>
>>> 56 Bombadil - taller and bigger than I had expected... very close
>>> dimensions to my 60 Saluki
>>> 48cm Noodle handlebars w/ Nitto forged stem
>>> Bruce Gordon Canti's (super sweet, thanks Tom!)
>>> Sugino Triple off my Saluki
>>> Velocity 32H 650B wheelset off my Saluki
>>> Vee Rubber 650Bx1.95 Tires
>>> VO Orange brake cable housing
>>> Silver Shifter (rear/right only)
>>> No FD, stick shift for now
>>> Nitto R-14 rear rack / Nitto saddlebag QR & Carradice longflap
>>>
>>> I think that's about it, I'll be commuting in tomorrow morning thanks to
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>>>
>>> Tony
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[Deacon Patrick]

Today's meal (I love you, Patrick, but I'm not going back 32 days. Grin.):

Breakfast: 2 cups homemade bone broth, licorice root chi tea with grass fed 
cream.

brain snack (for when my brain wants something, but I'm not hungry: dark 
chocolate (see above post) with chili pepper, coffee. Oddly, flavonoids 
seem to satisfy brain cravings when I've been "bran slammed." 

Lunch: huge (pie pan filled with various dark greens) salad with cheddar 
cheese and cream dressing and cod fish taco-free taco with home fermented 
salsa.

Dinner: one egg with cheddar cheese and chili pepper.

This is quite typical, and my morning and evening meal rarely changes.

With abandon,
Patrick

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> Dinner tonight: I'd like to hear what others have eaten over the last 32 
> days. "2" because I can't remember beyond that. I: 
>
> Thurs night: big bowl of spaghetti with olive oil, salt, black pepper, red 
> pepper; 6 pieces of toast with butter. Bad even by my standards, but I 
> didn't feel like going to the store.
>
> Tonight: big stir fry of onions and Bell and Hatch peppers, to be eaten 
> wrapped in large flour tortillas with non-dairy mayo (nothing against 
> Hellman's, it's what I got at Costco.
>
> Red wine in plenty. Black coffee, tea with cream and sugar.
>

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> On Nov 7, 2014, at 2:08 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
> 
> Some cavities even vanished. 

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[RBW] Re: Hilsen Overhaul

[Deacon Patrick]

Brian, that smooth copper is a glorious color for a Hilsen! Perhaps because 
it was always my favorite color in the crayon box, but it never came out on 
paper the way it looked in the box.

With abandon,
Patrick 

On Friday, November 7, 2014 3:58:14 PM UTC-7, stonehog wrote:
>
> I like the Herse cranks a lot.  High quality, thick/durable chainrings. 
>  I've used them now for over a year and several thousand miles between two 
> bikes.  No problems other than a couple broken derailleurs on one of the 
> cranks (the Hilsen, of course) that are likely either chainline or too big 
> a jump.  Still experimenting on that.  For reference, it happened to 2 
> different derailleurs - Shimano CX70 outer cage fail, and Campy Centaur CT 
> inner cage fail: https://flic.kr/s/aHsk1iQ4KS 
>
> Brian
>
> On Wednesday, November 5, 2014 2:32:41 PM UTC-8, WETH wrote:
>>
>> Brian,
>> I like the idea of Mark rack with platrack on the rear. I may have to 
>> give that a try.
>> Are those Rene Herse cranks from Compass?  If so, how do you like them? 
>> How have the chainrings worn compared to other brands?  I am thinking of 
>> buying a set for my Rivendell Road Standard.  Any thoughts after you have 
>> used them for a while would be appreciated.
>> Thanks,
>> Erl
>
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[RBW] Re: Alternatives to MUSA pants and knickers?

[Matthew J]

There is a Swrve black label knicker that fits the bill.

If you are thin (can't stress enough - Euro sizing to the max!) Muxu makes 
a nice heavier yet comfortable knicker.  

On Friday, November 7, 2014 2:06:19 PM UTC-6, Christian wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I was interested in buying a pair of either the pants or the knickers but 
> they're sold out--knickers might be back in 2015, so says the website.  So, 
> I'm looking for alternatives.  Something similar--quick drying, maybe a 
> little (a lot?) wind-resistant, simple.  Thanks
>
> Christian 
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[RBW] Alternatives to MUSA pants and knickers?

[hsmitham]

http://www.prana.com/nemesis-knicker.html?color=darkkhakihristian,

My knock on the new (don't have experience with the old style) is though baggy 
the waist was super tight with all the elastic, in my case size large. So I 
went with Prana' Nemesis Knickers. They're actually climbing knickers but have 
very little elastic other than the built in stretch of the fabric. The opening 
of the leg area flares some as opposed to cycling specific ones but doesn't 
bother me.

I also wear their shorts made of the same fabric. 

My knock on other manufacturers of cycling knickers is how tight they are 
seeming in my use to be restricted in all the wrong places when in motion. 

YMMV.

-Hugh
los Angeles, CA

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[RBW] Re: Hilsen Overhaul

[stonehog]

I like the Herse cranks a lot.  High quality, thick/durable chainrings. 
 I've used them now for over a year and several thousand miles between two 
bikes.  No problems other than a couple broken derailleurs on one of the 
cranks (the Hilsen, of course) that are likely either chainline or too big 
a jump.  Still experimenting on that.  For reference, it happened to 2 
different derailleurs - Shimano CX70 outer cage fail, and Campy Centaur CT 
inner cage fail: https://flic.kr/s/aHsk1iQ4KS 

Brian

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>
> Brian,
> I like the idea of Mark rack with platrack on the rear. I may have to give 
> that a try.
> Are those Rene Herse cranks from Compass?  If so, how do you like them? 
> How have the chainrings worn compared to other brands?  I am thinking of 
> buying a set for my Rivendell Road Standard.  Any thoughts after you have 
> used them for a while would be appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Erl

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Re: [RBW] Alternatives to MUSA pants and knickers?

[Patrick Moore]

This is a separate but related question. Who, if anyone, makes knickers or
shorts that rise high enough in the rear (ie, high waist or low crotch) so
that they feel comfortable and cover adequately when you are bent over in
the hooks? The MUSAs, pants and knickers, are marginal in that respect, as
are most of the store-bought knickers I've worn -- Bicycle Fixations, 2
models; Rivendell; Swerve; and the Nashbars are only adequate because they
were out of Mediums and I had to buy Large and have the waists taken in.

Come to think of it, one nice thing about the thrift store pair of North
Face (non-lycra) cycling shorts I have is that they are cut high in the
rear.

One virtue of making riding pants out of thrift store kakhis and wool dress
pants is that you can choose those with "higher rise".

On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 4:01 PM, hsmitham  wrote:

> http://www.prana.com/nemesis-knicker.html?color=darkkhakihristian,
>
> My knock on the new (don't have experience with the old style) is though
> baggy the waist was super tight with all the elastic, in my case size
> large. So I went with Prana' Nemesis Knickers. They're actually climbing
> knickers but have very little elastic other than the built in stretch of
> the fabric. The opening of the leg area flares some as opposed to cycling
> specific ones but doesn't bother me.
>
> I also wear their shorts made of the same fabric.
>
> My knock on other manufacturers of cycling knickers is how tight they are
> seeming in my use to be restricted in all the wrong places when in motion.
>
> YMMV.
>
> -Hugh
> los Angeles, CA
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though I give my body to be burned, and have not money, it profiteth me
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[RBW] Re: Hilsen Overhaul

[stonehog]

CX-70 and Campy Centaur CT: https://flic.kr/s/aHsk1iQ4KS 

For what it's worth, I moved to a 42/28 setup on the cranks now, and I'm 
putting another CX-70 on it.  Will test this out to see if it was the 
original 44 ring, or the 14-tooth shift that stressed the derailleur.

I have a nice Suntour XC Pro FD on my other bike with the Herse cranks 
(also 44/28).  No problems ever.  Love that stuff - almost bought some NOS 
Suntours a while back.  Gevenalle looks promising, 
too: http://www.gevenalle.com/store/products/derailleurs/   Supposedly 
stiffer steel cage (to handle demands of mud-caked CX races), and not badly 
priced.  

Brian

On Thursday, November 6, 2014 8:42:48 AM UTC-8, GAJett wrote:
>
> What derailleurs have you been breaking?  
>
> My Hilsen has a 44-41-24 triple setup. This originally came with a 
> nondescript "wide-range triple" front derailleur, which shifted miserably. 
>
> I then put on an old SunTour Supurbe "racing" derailleur.  This shifts 
> like a dream on the 17-tooth jump from the small chainwheel.  
>
> The Supurbe came off my old bike with a 49-44-26 TA chainset, where it 
> also shifted quite well over the 23-tooth jump.  That old bike now has a 
> old Huret Jubilee front derailleur, which is quite serviceable, despite the 
> apparent delicacy, for a bike that doesn't get ridden much anymore.
>
> Reading elsewhere I have found numerous comments that a "standard" racing 
> double often works better for extreme jumps than a wide range triple.  This 
> may be because the shorter cage is stiffer.  Your 14-tooth difference 
> should present no problem.  An added benefit would be that the shorter cage 
> would allow the front derailleur to sit closer to the outer chainring 
> without interference with the chainstay.  An old Campy Record might do the 
> trick.  The Shimano FD CX70 sold by Rivendell 
>  might work as well for your 
> wide double.
> Cheers.
>

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[RBW] FS: Surly Disc Trucker Frameset & Rivet Saddle

[Brian Campbell]

Often considered as a "budget Atlantis"  for sale is an XL Surly 700c Disc 
Trucker Frame & fork) - 25" ctt seat tube or 24" ctc. TT is 23" ctc. was 
stripped and powdered orange when new. New decals added. Never been built. $300 
shipped!

Link to pic of the frame set:
http://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vintage-sales/979891-stuff-sale.html#post17272292

White Rivet Diablo  Saddle

Purchased this saddle at the Rivet booth at Sacramento NAHBS in 2012. Rode 
it maybe 200 miles. Has not seen bad weather. Shows a little wear as seen 
in pics. One small scuff on the side from when a bike fell over.

It's comfy for me, I just don't have a bike right now that requires a white 
saddle, and I do need a Brooks.

So, I'll sell it for $75 plus shipping or I'll trade for a great condition 
b17 or c17. If b17 I'd prefer big copper rivets. Color is negotiable.

More on the rivet

The Diablo - Rivet Cycle Works 


I believe it uses the same material as a Selle Atomica.


Saddle Pic:
http://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vintage-sales/978921-rivet-diablo-leather-saddle-buy-trade.html
 

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Re: [RBW] Alternatives to MUSA pants and knickers?

[Christian McMillen]

Thanks for all the suggestions so far everyone.  In the meantime I remembered 
about Zoic.  I have a pair of their shorts and really like them.  They make 
knickers too: http://www.zoic.com/reign-knicker 
.  AND: coincidentally they’re having a 50% 
off sale! 


> On Nov 7, 2014, at 6:01 PM, hsmitham  wrote:
> 
> http://www.prana.com/nemesis-knicker.html?color=darkkhakihristian,
> 
> My knock on the new (don't have experience with the old style) is though 
> baggy the waist was super tight with all the elastic, in my case size large. 
> So I went with Prana' Nemesis Knickers. They're actually climbing knickers 
> but have very little elastic other than the built in stretch of the fabric. 
> The opening of the leg area flares some as opposed to cycling specific ones 
> but doesn't bother me.
> 
> I also wear their shorts made of the same fabric. 
> 
> My knock on other manufacturers of cycling knickers is how tight they are 
> seeming in my use to be restricted in all the wrong places when in motion. 
> 
> YMMV.
> 
> -Hugh
> los Angeles, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto 35F Campee Front Rack

[cyclotourist]

I get this a lot...

On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Mike Schiller 
wrote:

> No Tom, just teasing David. I have a spare, but it is used occasionally on
> my monstercross bike.
>
> ~mike
>
> On Friday, November 7, 2014 8:56:12 AM UTC-8, Pudge wrote:
>>
>>  Mike:  Are you interested in one?  Can't tell for certain from your
>> message.  Tom
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Alternatives to MUSA pants and knickers?

[hsmitham]

Patrick, 

I really like your point regarding thrift store gabardine pants converted to 
knickers, I'm gonna give it a try. Plus seems to me they'll look great. And the 
price is right.

-Hugh
 Los Angeles,  CA

On Friday, November 7, 2014 3:19:16 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
> This is a separate but related question. Who, if anyone, makes knickers or 
> shorts that rise high enough in the rear (ie, high waist or low crotch) so 
> that they feel comfortable and cover adequately when you are bent over in the 
> hooks? The MUSAs, pants and knickers, are marginal in that respect, as are 
> most of the store-bought knickers I've worn -- Bicycle Fixations, 2 models; 
> Rivendell; Swerve; and the Nashbars are only adequate because they were out 
> of Mediums and I had to buy Large and have the waists taken in.
> 
> 
> Come to think of it, one nice thing about the thrift store pair of North Face 
> (non-lycra) cycling shorts I have is that they are cut high in the rear.
> 
> 
> 
> One virtue of making riding pants out of thrift store kakhis and wool dress 
> pants is that you can choose those with "higher rise". 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 4:01 PM, hsmitham  wrote:
> http://www.prana.com/nemesis-knicker.html?color=darkkhakihristian,
> 
> 
> 
> My knock on the new (don't have experience with the old style) is though 
> baggy the waist was super tight with all the elastic, in my case size large. 
> So I went with Prana' Nemesis Knickers. They're actually climbing knickers 
> but have very little elastic other than the built in stretch of the fabric. 
> The opening of the leg area flares some as opposed to cycling specific ones 
> but doesn't bother me.
> 
> 
> 
> I also wear their shorts made of the same fabric.
> 
> 
> 
> My knock on other manufacturers of cycling knickers is how tight they are 
> seeming in my use to be restricted in all the wrong places when in motion.
> 
> 
> 
> YMMV.
> 
> 
> 
> -Hugh
> 
> los Angeles, CA
> 
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> 
> 
> Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not money, I 
> am become as a sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the 
> gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though 
> I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not money, I am 
> nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give 
> my body to be burned, and have not money, it profiteth me nothing. Money 
> suffereth long, and it is kind; money envieth not; money vaunteth not itself, 
> is not puffed up, doth not behave unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not 
> easily provoked, thinketh no evil; rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth 
> in the truth; beareth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. . . 
> . And now abideth faith, hope, money, these three; but the greatest of these 
> is money. 
>                                                                               
>  -- George Orwell, Keep The Apidistra Flying

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[Grant Petersen]

Many of the issues brought up here are addressed (I address them) in the 
book. Not to say that my addressing them carves them into even limestone, 
but the book can speak for itself and me, and I'd hate for somebody to hear 
"ketosis" or "diabetes" and assume that I'm wacky on either of those.
I think entres No. 82-83-84 make a compelling argument for a nutrient-dense 
low-carb diet. One of those, summed up, goes like this: We have a digestive 
system nearly identical to the digestive system of every carnivore. It's a 
simple, one-stomach chamber system (monogastric). It lacks the enzymes and 
complexity needed to digest cellulose, the structural component of 
plants---which isn't to say we don't digest any of them, but we cannot 
digest cellulose without the enzyme cellulase, and we carnivores make at 
most just tiny amounts of that. 
Herbivores digest cellulose by fermenting it. In a ruminant (cow, deer), 
the first stomach chamber is the biggest, and its purpose is fermenting the 
roughage, breaking it down. Then it gets belched up and chewed again as a 
cud, mixed with more enzymes ...then is swallowed and sent through more 
machinery that we don't have, and after a long trip thru the large 
intestine, additional digestion by fermentation takes place in the cecum. 
Apes have a cecum, because they eat roughage and need it. 
Our appendix is a devolved/atrophied cecum. It's about as big around as a 
ball point pen or a fat pencil, and is two to six inches long, typically, 
and its chamber is narrow...and food can get in there, but sometimes 
doesn't get out, and then we get appendicitis or something else.
The point is, over the nearly 3 million years of evolution, from ape to 
Homo whatever, a diet largely of heinous meat has allowed our digestive 
system to reconfigure to what it is now: Carnivoristic. It's so much like a 
dog's.

People've been eating plants in large quantities for at most 11,000 years. 
Middle easterners have the longest exposure to carbs, and as a defense, 
they've evolved saliva with a higher concentration of amylase in it, which 
predigests the starch before it triggers a huge glucose response. But carbs 
(in mass qty) came to Africans and Native Americans and Mexicans and some 
others much later, and they have not had time to adapt. It's not a 
white-and-black difference, though---the "high amylase" spit is still no 
match for the juices an processes an herbivore has to digest roughage.
And even with all that roughage-digesting machinery, the digestion is so 
incomplete that they have to eat constantly to fuel themselves for even the 
most lazy lives (in the case of a cow). And they poop constantly, to make 
room for more food. They're digesting machines, but inefficient ones at 
that.

A human on a high-fiber/plant-based diet is at a serious disadvantage. 
We've evolved the ability to communicate, but throw into that mix the 
influences of marketing and commerce and ego and all that, and it's no 
wonder we're confused.

My book has no original thoughts, thank goodness. I didn't cogitate on 
stuff and make sense of it in my head before putting it on paper and 
declaring it truth. The information is out there and has been out there for 
decades. The past twenty years or so have taught us a lot more, and now the 
level of understanding how it works is quite high.

There are ethical arguments on both sides, and I address some of those, 
too. Maybe all of them. But for me, it comes down to this: People and the 
animals fed by people are the only animals on earth that eat food that is 
incompatible with their digestive system. Many, not all, of the problems we 
have are nearly unique to people, and some of those problems might be 
related to eating funky food.

In the book I try to simplify things. Since I'm simple - minded, it came 
natural to me.
At eatbacondontjog.com I show fantastic food fotos of some actual meals. 
Many contain leaves...even though I don't thoroughly digest them. On that 
site you'll also see we have an anagram contest going. Scroll down a few 
posts. Kind of fun.

eatbacondontjog.com

G

On Friday, November 7, 2014 2:37:06 PM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> H. I will have to ask my dentist next time I see her if cavities can, 
> in fact, “vanish.” That would be wonderful.
>
> —Eric
>
>
> On Nov 7, 2014, at 2:08 PM, Deacon Patrick > 
> wrote:
>
> Some cavities even vanished. 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Berthoud front bag vendors' stiffner varieties. What are the diffs?

[NickBull]

Weird, the stiffener in mine was definitely plastic, not cardboard or 
fiberboard; white plastic if I recall correctly.  I wonder where I put it 
when I took it out?

On Friday, November 7, 2014 10:32:13 AM UTC-5, Anton Tutter wrote:
>
> Semantics.
>
> It's not corrugated like typical cardboard, but solid, made with a similar 
> pulpy water-absorbant material, approximately 5-6 times the thickness of 
> cereal box cardboard. Still cardboard if you ask me. Sort of like the 
> material in this photo: 
> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-NvBxfIVgWBU/T0PK4IHVsFI/CDk/uIJsMNXUk3E/s1600/2012-02-21_10-41-55_391.jpg
>
> I have two Berthoud hbar bags, one older (90s? 00s?) and one newer (2013). 
> Both have it.  The older one has a glossy laminate on the exposed side, 
> kind of like that glossy paper laminate you find on some gift boxes. The 
> newer one doesn't have that laminate. I'll shoot some photos tonight to 
> illustrate.
>
>
>
> On Friday, November 7, 2014 7:41:20 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>> On 11/06/2014 07:12 PM, Anton Tutter wrote: 
>> > The stiffener that comes with Berthouds is high-density cardboard. 
>>
>> I've never seen cardboard like that. 
>>
>

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[RBW] FS: New Sackville, New Brooks, New NITTO rack

[lungimsam]

*New Brooks B17 Imperial - Honey*
Briefly mounted on my new Rivendell and then removed after a couple test 
rides in nice weather. Less than 30 miles on it I would guess.
It is a beautiful saddle. Feels great,  but I just like the cush of sprung 
saddles better. No clamp marks on rails. Saddle looks brand new because it 
is except for the brief test rides.
109$ shipped anywhere in the continental USA.
Pics:  *https://www.flickr.com/photos/70237737@N00/sets/72157648756456368/* 


*New Sackville Bar Sack*
Bought it a few weeks ago and briefly mounted on my new Rivendell and then 
removed after a few rides in nice weather. Less than 75 miles on it, I 
would guess.
Gorgeous, high quality bag, still smells new. Very impressive quality. The 
magnet closure is fantastic. 159$ shipped anywhere in the continental USA.

*New NITTO F-15 rack for Bar Sack*
Bought it a few weeks ago with the above bag and briefly mounted on my new 
Rivendell and then removed after a couple test rides in nice weather. Less 
than 75 miles on it I would guess.
Beautiful rack. Beautiful finish. 59$ shipped anywhere in the continental 
USA.

Decided to go with a front-racked bag, instead of a handlebar mounted bag, 
so that is why I am selling the bag and rack.

Pics of bag and rack to come. Or I can email you some.
Paypal only please.

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On Friday, November 7, 2014 6:09:30 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> The grain of today is not the grain of Jesus or Joseph. It has been 
> selectively bread to withstand bugs and blights and climates, which means 
> more grows for the same effort, at the price of anti-nutrients that can 
> wreak havoc on health. 
>

And to take this a step further what about Genetically Modified Organisms 
(GMO)?  Sure, this can help to avoid pesticides, but why should I eat 
grains that even a bug has the sense to NOT eat?  I am in no way a Paleo 
(or whatever they call themselves) but this bothers me to no end. 

Matt 

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[RBW] Racks: fork barrel eyelet vs. canti braze-on mounting question.

[lungimsam]

So, I have been looking at a lot of rack pics lately.

I see some racks have the straight bolt that directly mounts to fork crown 
hole. And it also has struts that mount directly to fork barrel braze ons. 
NITTO Mini, for example.
Looks like a 5 minute mounting job - must be a luxurious and satisfying 
mount!

But I also see some racks, that have struts that mount to the cantilever 
brake braze on studs. Like the NITTO M12. More involved for sure.

Which type of mounting method is stronger and more durable? To barrels, or 
to canti-studs?

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['hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch]

On Thursday, November 6, 2014 12:35:19 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Incidentally, remembering the story in Daniel about the captives turning 
> away the rich meats offered by the king and turning out healthier than 
> everyone else on a diet of legumes, I was amused and appalled to see that 
> even this has been turned into a theory and a diet.
>
>
 

> Appalled?  Why would you be appalled?
>

Matt 

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