[RBW] Re: So what do I put in my tea now?

[Garth]

Exactly lum .   If you just pàuse for awhile ànd really listen , it seems 
everbody is blaming somebody for something.   Oh my . it seems the while 
elephant in the room ,  is human existence itself is the perceived problem and 
we all pretend to be problem solvers in various forms and statures for all 
manners of problems from a flat tire to structural, social and economic and 
political issues to even what's for lunch, , but in case we missed it, and we 
cannot miss it, there are more problems than ever.. so it seems at least.   
But hey, this too is just more rationalizing around the elephant that isn't 
really there .ahahahahaaha !

Like Curly , Moe and Larry . aw  wise guy eh ?  I got you problem 
right here .and the solution  Bam ! right in the snooker .  Feel better 
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[RBW] assessing smooth tread tire wear

[Garth]

You'll just know when to change it, like you always have.  I have worn down 
Vittoria Hypers until I was "riding on snow" ,  the middle was a while strip of 
threads, and even then continued for another 50 miles.  All that happened was 
the ride ;).   Really, you'll be alright regardless, like you always have been. 

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[RBW] Re: assessing smooth tread tire wear

[Ron Mc]

I'm pushing the life of Compass tires on the rears of two bikes right now. 
 If it flats, it's time to change it.  I carry my spare tire so I can do it 
on the roadside if necessary.  
Fingernails are really sensitive, and you can feel the flat spot across the 
tread on worn tires.  

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[RBW] Re: So what do I put in my tea now?

[Deacon Patrick]

Mark put it wonderfully. It's really not that complicated. Eliminate all 
processed foods from your diet (get a VitaMix blender so you can process 
your own). Eat real food. From there it is an n=1 experiment. How are you 
feeling? Try no fat for a month. Try 80% of calories from healthy fat for a 
month. Which one works better for you? If you eliminate grains and sugars, 
what are you replacing those calories with?

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 8:27:00 PM UTC-7, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> In the end, though, it's not that complicated. I believe the advice is 
> "shop the fringes" or something like that. That's where all the unprocessed 
> foods are--vegetables, fruits, fish, meat, eggs, cheese. I like to get as 
> much of that as possible at my farmer's market or from my neighbors. 
> Curious why you have sugar in all your foods and drinks. For stuff that you 
> find you really do not want to do without it, there are other alternatives 
> that are less damaging, and don't spike your insulin so quickly, like honey 
> (tea, cookie recipes) or maple syrup (yogurt, oatmeal) or coconut oil (Wasa 
> crispbread, scrambled eggs, brussel sprouts, ). A teaspoon of sugar in 
> your coffee each day isn't the end of the world, though as Patrick says, I 
> find that after a couple of days, half and half adds plenty of sweetness. 
> Beacon right now has great municipal water. If I were in Flint, I might 
> choose bottled (unless it was locally bottled--lots of bottled water is 
> municipal.)
>
> On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 8:44:52 PM UTC-5, lum gim fong wrote:
>>
>> Patrick,
>>
>> This is exactly why I can't believe any of the championed diets of today: 
>> pro-sugar, pro-fat, no-fat, paleo, vegan, organic, Saccharin, stevia, 
>> caveman diet, bottled water, municipal water, etc...
>>
>> Bad human behavior like this has made it hard for me to believe anything 
>> "they" say.
>>
>>
>> On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 8:10:04 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>>> In case you missed this:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/13/well/eat/how-the-sugar-industry-shifted-blame-to-fat.html?_r=0
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 2:47:06 PM UTC-7, lum gim fong wrote:

 If Taubes is right, then what do I replace sugar in all my foods/drinks 
 with?

>>>

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Re: [RBW] assessing smooth tread tire wear

[Peter White]

Deflate the tire. Then with thumb on one side of the tread and a finger on
the other, roll the tread between thumb and finger. You'll be able to tell
how thin the center of the tread is, compared with the sides. Compare that
with the same procedure on a new tire and you'll know.

Peter White

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 7:28 PM, ted  wrote:

> Hey All,
>
> How does one best determine when a smooth tread tire, like a Jack Brown or
> Soma GR, is worn too thin?
> The other weekend I found I had exceeded the lifetime of a Soma GR tire
> when a flat seemed to be from wearing through it.
> That seems like something I'd rather not do that way. Certainly I'd rather
> not do it that way with the Jack Browns on my SO (on which I sometimes
> commute).
> Sooo, whats the right way?
>
> note, going off an increasing rate of flats doesn't seem to work for me.
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Re: [RBW] Re: assessing smooth tread tire wear

[Steve Palincsar]

On 01/07/2017 06:41 AM, Ron Mc wrote:
I'm pushing the life of Compass tires on the rears of two bikes right 
now.  If it flats, it's time to change it.  I carry my spare tire so I 
can do it on the roadside if necessary.
Fingernails are really sensitive, and you can feel the flat spot 
across the tread on worn tires.




But note that many thin-treaded "event" tires never "square off" - 
there's just not enough tread there to form a noticeable flat section.  
That's been the case for me with 1st Gen Pari Motos, Challenge Parigi 
Roubaix and 28mm Grand Bois ELs.


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[RBW] Re: PSA: Good price on a Bay Area Atlantis

[Belopsky]

Well either someone got a great deal or it got flagged ;)

On Saturday, January 7, 2017 at 2:52:08 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> The listing is gone a few hours after I asked for current pics. Much 
> weirdness going on there. 

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[RBW] Re: battery powered taillight tinkering

[Belopsky]

Looks good. I was going to do similar but then bought a B&M Secula instead. 
I might gut it though...

How did you attach the light to the housing your turned? 

On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 4:52:22 PM UTC-5, S. Greco wrote:
>
> I acquired a strange frame recently (650B Pedimoto Triple Triangle) which 
> had a braze-on for a taillight on the back of the seat tube. I didn't have 
> a dyno-hub wheel set for the bike, so I was on the hunt for a battery 
> powered one. To my knowledge, the only one available is from Boulder 
> Bicycle? I ordered one, but when it arrived I realized that it was threaded 
>  M6  frame was drilled and tapped for M5 - it seemed unwise to drill out 
> and re-tap the frame, so I gave it to a friend. He remarked that it was 
> funny that it matched the custom-made taillight on his Tournesol - slightly 
> different housing but same electronics and lens. Looking through the 
> paperwork that came with the Boulder Lamp it included instructions for the 
> re-housed innards which are . . . a Road ID Supernova.
>
> I'm wondering if anyone else has done this, or seen this lens on other 
> custom lights?
> The Road ID is great on its on - bright, lasts long, clips onto anything, 
> comes in a few colors if you're into that, and you can choose between 
> always-on and blinky by flipping the battery orientation. Oh, and it's only 
> 14.99 from your local amazon store : )
>
> To be clear, i'm not knocking anyone. I think its a pretty ingenious find 
> / starting point for a lamp project.
> Armed with this knowledge I simply bought the Road ID light, machined off 
> the clip and turned my own housing on a lathe.
>
> The Boulder Bicycle taillight:
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> The "RoadID Supernova" :
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> My new taillight : 
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> If you have access to a lathe and some free time on your hands I highly 
> recommend this as a project. The whole thing only took about an hour and 
> would be even easier and faster if it were designed to bolt onto one of the 
> many hourglass shaped braze-ons which are plentiful on most Rivs these days.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> - Steve
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Albastache + brifters

[Dave Johnston]

Here is a good stem calculator.

http://yojimg.net/bike/web_tools/stem.php

Velo Orange makes an LD stem that is much less than Crusts $125 and has a 
double bolt removable face plate to make stem swaps easier.

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Re: [RBW] Re: assessing smooth tread tire wear

[Ron Mc]

and yeah, when P-R flats after the last Stan's repair and I know have well 
over 1000 mi on it, it's time to replace it.  I ride a tire as long as it's 
reliable, and I always carry a spare, so I don't give it a lot of attention 
until it asks.  

On Saturday, January 7, 2017 at 8:08:08 AM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
>
> But note that many thin-treaded "event" tires never "square off" - 
> there's just not enough tread there to form a noticeable flat section.   
> That's been the case for me with 1st Gen Pari Motos, Challenge Parigi 
> Roubaix and 28mm Grand Bois ELs. 
>

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[RBW] strada rosa, goatheads, tubeless

[ted]

I recall reading that there are a lot of goatheads on the strada rosa 
route, and I am wondering if that is a compelling argument in favor of 
doing that ride with a tubeless setup. 
What do those who know the ride think?

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Re: [RBW] strada rosa, goatheads, tubeless

[Patrick Moore]

Ted: tubeless and modern sealants are separable; you can benefit from the
latter without the former. I live in in one of the worst goathead locations
in the world and successfully ride very fragile (Challenge Parigi Roubaix)
and extremely thin, light, and supple (Compass Elk Pass -- these are even
lighter than the P-R but far less fragile, IME) tires on and off road here
using Orange Seal. Orange Seal will not prevent 100% of thorn flats, but it
will prevent 95% plus.

Try Orange Seal in your road tubes. I find it works very well in tubes at
higher pressures; it is only with pressures under 30 psi or so -- ie with
off road tires -- that I found modern sealants ineffective; I run my F
Freds tubeless.

On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 9:23 AM, ted  wrote:

> I recall reading that there are a lot of goatheads on the strada rosa
> route, and I am wondering if that is a compelling argument in favor of
> doing that ride with a tubeless setup.
> What do those who know the ride think?
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Re: [RBW] Re: assessing smooth tread tire wear

[Clayton.sf]

seeing the casing is usually my clue.

Clayton Scott
SF, CA 

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Re: [RBW] Re: assessing smooth tread tire wear

[Ron Mc]

that's a good clue

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> seeing the casing is usually my clue.
>
> Clayton Scott
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[RBW] FS Berthoud Decaleur 50mm ahead

[Clayton.sf]

habe one threadless Berthoud decaleur for sale in 50mm drop. comes with all the 
bits. good shape. $50 shipped to CONUS.

Clayton Scott
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Re: [RBW] Albastache + brifters

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Ash. Before you make the seat adjustment, you may want to turn the 
seatpost around to its proper position. You have your saddle slammed all 
the way back already, but your seatpost is facing the wrong way.

Also, like Patrick, I would also question the safety of that setup, but for 
a different reason. If, as you say, the extender is inserted fully, that is 
a mighty short head tube, and you may be creating this situation, described 
here by Sheldon Brown:

Danger! 

*Note:* Steerers  are 
butted  at the bottom, 
so the hole in the steerer is constant-diameter until near the bottom, then 
the walls taper inward in the butted section. 

It is *vitally important* that 
*the steerer extender (or stem) is not inserted so far that the wedge is 
installed where the steerer is narrowing, or it could come loose 
unpredictably. *


When this happens, only the edge/corner of the quill or wedge contacts the 
steerer, and it is trying to "grab" a slanted surface. 

This is sometimes a problem on smaller frames if you try to insert the stem 
or a stem extender too far down into the steerer. 

The stem may also loosen unexpectedly if the steerer has been bulged out by 
overtightening the expander or wedge.

[image: Stem Inserted Too Far]



I highly suspect that your Raleigh setup may fall under the above scenario. 
Even on flats at 15mph, having your handlebars disconnect can be 
disconcerting.


On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 6:08:35 PM UTC-5, Ash A wrote:
>
> Rode the Raleigh 21 miles to work today.  My neck is not a happy camper 
> today.  Can't wait to ride like I want to ride once the Appaloosa arrives!
>
> I'm going to try the seat adjustment you suggested before I ride back.
>
>
> Here's picture of the Raleigh (more 
> https://goo.gl/photos/Ha4YXYY7WoPgZgVw8)
>
>
> -Ash
>
>
> On Wednesday, 4 January 2017 07:04:21 UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Please post photos of the built Appaloosa and of the Ace. The Appaloosa 
>> is one of the Rivs I'd like to own, along with (in order of seriousness) 
>> the Roadeo, the Hunq, the Atlantis, and the Legolas. The A would come in 
>> about here.
>>
>> And who doesn't want to own a new/old Raleigh?
>>
>>
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[RBW] So what do I put in my tea now?

[Bill]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thescienceofnutrition.wordpress.com/2012/06/16/gary-taubes-is-a-blowhard/amp/

Maybe Gary Taubes isn't right.

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Re: [RBW] strada rosa, goatheads, tubeless

[Richard Rios]

Yes there are lots of goatheads out there. I say how good are you at fixing 
flats and how much do you mind mid ride flat repair. If you are good run em as 
is and patch the flats as they come along. Medium don't care slime or orange 
seal is great. Hate fixing flats tire liners and some sorta sealant and you are 
good to go. For what it's worth I've done the ride twice and love it! :) the 
first time I had nada other than pasela tour guard tires and had one goat head 
flat towards the very end of the ride. The other time I ran tire liners and had 
zero flats. But the route changes so you might want to check in with ride 
organizers as to what they will be running the ride through for the best 
advice. 

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Re: [RBW] strada rosa, goatheads, tubeless

[Richard Rios]

Sorry I didn't even mention tubeless but unless you are curious or have other 
reasons for wanting to go tubeless I would say it is unnecessary.

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[RBW] Re: strada rosa, goatheads, tubeless

[Hugh Smitham]

Ted,

I highly recommend a tubeless setup. Though a bit of a hassle to initially 
setup the benefits far outweigh any hassle. I especially like finding 10+ 
goatheads embedded in a tire after a ride, plucking em out spinning the 
wheel to distribute the sealant and the leaks go away.

~Hugh 
On Saturday, January 7, 2017 at 8:23:20 AM UTC-8, ted wrote:
>
> I recall reading that there are a lot of goatheads on the strada rosa 
> route, and I am wondering if that is a compelling argument in favor of 
> doing that ride with a tubeless setup. 
> What do those who know the ride think?
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: So what do I put in my tea now?

[Hugh Smitham]

Steve is on the money here. 

I drink coffee in the morning with some 1/2 & 1/2 and in the afternoon any 
number of my favorite teas always with a spoonful of honey and 1/2 & 1/2. 

~Hugh 

On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 2:57:13 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
>
> On 01/06/2017 05:44 PM, lum gim fong wrote: 
> > My question was partially a joke, as many people say not to consume 
> > something or face the tragic consequences. 
> > 
> > Modern western nutrition advice is like a never ending, flowing field 
> > of ever changing zeitgeists. 
> > 
> > Hard to sort through it all to see what is really true about nutrition. 
> > 
> > Hi fat, low fat, no sugar, coffee causes cancer, oops... now it 
> > doesn't! Who's backing which research, etc. Broccoli causes cancer,, 
> > whoops, now it doesn't... 
> > 
> > 
>
> Ride what you like, eat what you like? 
>
>
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RE: [RBW] So what do I put in my tea now?

[olofstroh]

  
Bill wrote:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thescienceofnutrition.wordpress.com/2012/06/16/gary-taubes-is-a-blowhard/amp/

Maybe Gary Taubes isn't right.

Me: Maybe not, not always. That´s why he took the initiative to start NuSI (the 
nutrition science initiative; nusi.org ) to support research in the subject. 
The author of the link above however is just a person - although in the 
nutrition field - who took offence that Taube critized a study in a blog entry 
without going deep inte the subject, instead directing the reader to Zoe 
Harcombes critique, and answered by insinuating in the link above that Taubes 
just had invented his field to sell snake-oil to feed his family. Not a 
substantial claim of his own, just a condescending statement that Zoe H was 
nowhere to find and problably had bought her license for £30 on the net (ZH is 
a wellknown PhD from Cambridge and researcher).

Frankly, the blogauthor seems to me to be an entrenched traditionalist with 
much thought of his own and lazy to that.

Cheers, and may I direct you to https://www.dietdoctor.com/ if you want to know 
more

Olof Stroh
Uppsala Sweden



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Re: [RBW] So what do I put in my tea now?

[Hugh Smitham]

Not everyone will benefit from a low carb diet. Yes people with diabetes or
those on the fringe of developing type 2 should restrict their starch
intake.

I have a Kidney disease and have cut out all animal meat. I limit my carb
intake but by no means intend to cut carbs entirely.

I like to modify the old adage "Physician heal thyself"  to simply know
thyself, heal thyself.

~Hugh

~Hugh

“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving.” ― Albert Einstein

http://velocipeedemusings.com/



On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 1:22 PM,  wrote:

>
> Bill wrote:
>
> https://www.google.com/amp/s/thescienceofnutrition.
> wordpress.com/2012/06/16/gary-taubes-is-a-blowhard/amp/
>
> Maybe Gary Taubes isn't right.
>
> Me: Maybe not, not always. That´s why he took the initiative to start NuSI
> (the nutrition science initiative; nusi.org ) to support research in the
> subject. The author of the link above however is just a person - although
> in the nutrition field - who took offence that Taube critized a study in a
> blog entry without going deep inte the subject, instead directing the
> reader to Zoe Harcombes critique, and answered by insinuating in the link
> above that Taubes just had invented his field to sell snake-oil to feed his
> family. Not a substantial claim of his own, just a condescending statement
> that Zoe H was nowhere to find and problably had bought her license for £30
> on the net (ZH is a wellknown PhD from Cambridge and researcher).
>
> Frankly, the blogauthor seems to me to be an entrenched traditionalist
> with much thought of his own and lazy to that.
>
> Cheers, and may I direct you to https://www.dietdoctor.com/ if you want
> to know more
>
> Olof Stroh
> Uppsala Sweden
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Whaaaaa-whoooooooooo!

[Hugh Smitham]

On Thursday, January 5, 2017 at 8:44:01 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> What a fun winter’s morning ride! 
> http://thegrid.ai/withabandon/winters-glory 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Sam Hillborne 55cm (Noodle bar set-up)

[Forrest]

Well, this is $1,750 Buy It Now on eBay:
http://my.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MyEbay&gbh=1&CurrentPage=MyeBayAllSelling&ssPageName=STRK:ME:LNLK:MESX


On Thursday, January 5, 2017 at 2:09:10 PM UTC-6, Forrest wrote:
>
> I purchased this new as a complete bike from RBW March 2015. Under 900 
> miles. No dings, dents, never crashed. Blue/gray color with the long-reach 
> sidepull brakes. Build is stock Riv. 
>
> This came from Riv with Albastache bars and Silver bar-end shifters. I 
> have switched it to Noodle 46cm bars with compact-reach Cane Creek brake 
> levers. Is now shod with Schwalbe Marathon Cross 38's. 
>
> *Includes* Grip King pedals and lightly used Selle Anatomica Titanico X 
> saddle. 
>
> $1800. Buyer pays actual shipping cost; I'll pay for professional packing. 
> For a like-new, low miles Hillborne with good pedals and saddle, I modestly 
> think this is a pretty good deal -- $800 less than new bike. 
>
> Thanks for looking. Pics here:  https://flic.kr/s/aHskLhNLsW
>
> -- Forrest Meyer, Iowa City
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivelo

[John A. Bennett]

Dear Eric,

Glad you & Sarah could make it by. Always great to see you. 

And that drone sure was fun. The pictures were cool. 

See you soon!

John + Darby

On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 7:44:01 PM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> My daughter and I had a fun visit to Rivelo today--John and Darby were 
> there, and I took the opportunity to fly my drone for some aerial 
> photography. 
>
> Here's a shot of the Portland Riv outpost from about 100 feet in the air:
>
> 
> (see full image )
>
> Thanks to both Darby and Kohn for making us feel very special!
>
> –Eric N
>
>

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RE: [RBW] So what do I put in my tea now?

[olofstroh]

Of course people are different and react differently to both carbs and other 
nutrients. That is also the view of Taubes and Andreas Eenfeldt who are very 
much against the picture of lchf as bacon galore.

 

And kidney disease is a serious thing and requires individual care.

 

And of course I meant „ ...traditionalist withOUT much thought of his own ..“.

 

Olof in Uppsala

 

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hugh Smitham
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2017 10:32 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: Re: [RBW] So what do I put in my tea now?

 

Not everyone will benefit from a low carb diet. Yes people with diabetes or 
those on the fringe of developing type 2 should restrict their starch intake. 

 

I have a Kidney disease and have cut out all animal meat. I limit my carb 
intake but by no means intend to cut carbs entirely. 

 

I like to modify the old adage "Physician heal thyself"  to simply know 
thyself, heal thyself. 

 

~Hugh  




~Hugh

“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep moving.” ― 
Albert Einstein

 

http://velocipeedemusings.com/

 

 

On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 1:22 PM,  wrote:


Bill wrote:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thescienceofnutrition.wordpress.com/2012/06/16/gary-taubes-is-a-blowhard/amp/

Maybe Gary Taubes isn't right.

Me: Maybe not, not always. That´s why he took the initiative to start NuSI (the 
nutrition science initiative; nusi.org ) to support research in the subject. 
The author of the link above however is just a person - although in the 
nutrition field - who took offence that Taube critized a study in a blog entry 
without going deep inte the subject, instead directing the reader to Zoe 
Harcombes critique, and answered by insinuating in the link above that Taubes 
just had invented his field to sell snake-oil to feed his family. Not a 
substantial claim of his own, just a condescending statement that Zoe H was 
nowhere to find and problably had bought her license for £30 on the net (ZH is 
a wellknown PhD from Cambridge and researcher).

Frankly, the blogauthor seems to me to be an entrenched traditionalist with 
much thought of his own and lazy to that.

Cheers, and may I direct you to https://www.dietdoctor.com/ if you want to know 
more

Olof Stroh
Uppsala Sweden




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[RBW] Re: biking @ 105

[RichS]

Ryan, you'll be able to double your mileage when you receive that stunning new 
mixte!

All the best,
Richard

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[RBW] Re: So what do I put in my tea now?

[Wayne Naha]

Oh, snap!

On Saturday, January 7, 2017 at 2:32:19 PM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
>
>
> https://www.google.com/amp/s/thescienceofnutrition.wordpress.com/2012/06/16/gary-taubes-is-a-blowhard/amp/
>
> Maybe Gary Taubes isn't right.
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[RBW] FS: Sam Hillborne 62cm Black and Cream

[scott minor]

I purchased this sam from Rivendell in Jan '16 and have recently moved most 
of its parts over to a hunqapillar.  Alas, after much deliberation I have 
now decided to part with it.  It's pictured with Tektro long reach brakes 
which I'm happy to include.  Also includes headset originally installed by 
Riv.  Overall the frame is in excellent shape and looks almost new.  Asking 
$975

photos here:  https://flic.kr/s/aHskS5WnMf

Scott Minor
Knoxville, TN

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[RBW] Re: Hillborne 6-degree upsloping top tube

[Dave Johnston]

The newer Sams have slightly shorter effective top tubes relative to their 
seat tubes than the first generation ones. The 60cm model had a 61cm top 
tube and today's 58cm model has a 59cm effective top tube. That may work 
better for you with drop bars and maybe worse with upright bars. 

The 2016 and on 58cm model will have a single top tube as well. Does your 
bike have a double top tube? I would guess that a double top tube would 
make a bike less lively, but more tour worthy. If you are more leg than 
torso I would have recommended going down in size vs up as long as the bars 
would end up where you want them. Smaller bikes tend to feel more lively 
and bigger ones tend to be more stable because of the longer wheelbase, but 
I'm dubious there is a speed difference.

I believe that the early Sams had thinner wall tubes but I can't find the 
specs on those. The "Silver" tubes on the current models are pretty darn 
thick. The top tube on the 55cm is 0.9 - 0.7mm and the downtube 1.1 - 
0.8mm. I think some of the tubes are single butted.

I have a early 56cm Atlantis and have always found it sluggish feeling 
compared to 56 Ram and 57 Bleriot. Its a good tourer and can fit 2" tires, 
so its a better trail rider, so that is a trade off I accept and I still 
find rides fun on almost any bike, but the Atlantis did not work out as the 
"bike for all uses" because of that. It can do it all, but it is not as 
much fun on unloaded zippy day rides. I believe the current Atlantis has 
thicker tubing than the early generation ones, but Riv doesn't like to talk 
about tubing so I'm not sure.


-Dave J


On Thursday, January 5, 2017 at 5:29:16 PM UTC-5, John Bokman wrote:
>
> I'm trying to discern if there's any real (not imagined) physical 
> properties of the upsloping top tube on my 2009 Sam that would make it a 
> sluggish climber. I've never cared for the aesthetics of the sloped frame, 
> so I'm thinking it could be in my head. But the truth is, I've always felt 
> the bike is sluggish climbing, and I'm curious what other's think. Granted, 
> tires make a big difference, but regardless of tires and tire pressures 
> (I've used many variants), the result is the same for me: sluggish 
> climbing. Whatever you do, please don't tell me it's the motor!
>
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: Hillborne 6-degree upsloping top tube

[John Bokman]

Lum, Dave:

I think you are right. I was really on the fence about the size when 
consulting with Jay. He asked if I was planning to use the bike off road, 
and at the time I was thinking I might use it offload only 10% of the time, 
so he counseled me to go to the bigger size. In retrospect, knowing what I 
know now about the length of the top tube, which has always felt too long, 
I don't think the terrain matters. The smaller size would have been better. 
I think Lum is right in my not being able to muscle the large bike. While 
I'd love to get to the point where I can ascend mountains in the saddle, 
I'm often out of the saddle on all my bikes, always have been. I need all 
the leverage and muscle recruitment I can get.

So what I have learned about this particular frame (can't speak for any 
other models, even different year of the same model, as Dave points out): 
Being that I ride drops with a long reach (noodles) and that my legs are 
long relative to my torso, and the fact that I'm a light, not-powerful 
rider, the smaller frame would have been a better cal, of me. Maybe not for 
someone else. If I'd been local and could have ridden different sizes, I 
would likely have gone to the smaller frame, I think. Live and learn.

On Saturday, January 7, 2017 at 2:42:24 PM UTC-8, Dave Johnston wrote:
>
> The newer Sams have slightly shorter effective top tubes relative to their 
> seat tubes than the first generation ones. The 60cm model had a 61cm top 
> tube and today's 58cm model has a 59cm effective top tube. That may work 
> better for you with drop bars and maybe worse with upright bars. 
>
> The 2016 and on 58cm model will have a single top tube as well. Does your 
> bike have a double top tube? I would guess that a double top tube would 
> make a bike less lively, but more tour worthy. If you are more leg than 
> torso I would have recommended going down in size vs up as long as the bars 
> would end up where you want them. Smaller bikes tend to feel more lively 
> and bigger ones tend to be more stable because of the longer wheelbase, but 
> I'm dubious there is a speed difference.
>
> I believe that the early Sams had thinner wall tubes but I can't find the 
> specs on those. The "Silver" tubes on the current models are pretty darn 
> thick. The top tube on the 55cm is 0.9 - 0.7mm and the downtube 1.1 - 
> 0.8mm. I think some of the tubes are single butted.
>
> I have a early 56cm Atlantis and have always found it sluggish feeling 
> compared to 56 Ram and 57 Bleriot. Its a good tourer and can fit 2" tires, 
> so its a better trail rider, so that is a trade off I accept and I still 
> find rides fun on almost any bike, but the Atlantis did not work out as the 
> "bike for all uses" because of that. It can do it all, but it is not as 
> much fun on unloaded zippy day rides. I believe the current Atlantis has 
> thicker tubing than the early generation ones, but Riv doesn't like to talk 
> about tubing so I'm not sure.
>
>
> -Dave J
>
>
> On Thursday, January 5, 2017 at 5:29:16 PM UTC-5, John Bokman wrote:
>>
>> I'm trying to discern if there's any real (not imagined) physical 
>> properties of the upsloping top tube on my 2009 Sam that would make it a 
>> sluggish climber. I've never cared for the aesthetics of the sloped frame, 
>> so I'm thinking it could be in my head. But the truth is, I've always felt 
>> the bike is sluggish climbing, and I'm curious what other's think. Granted, 
>> tires make a big difference, but regardless of tires and tire pressures 
>> (I've used many variants), the result is the same for me: sluggish 
>> climbing. Whatever you do, please don't tell me it's the motor!
>>
>>  
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Hillborne 6-degree upsloping top tube

[John Bokman]

Forgot to mention, mine is the single top tube Sam. I don't remember an 
option for a 2X top tube in 2009.

On Saturday, January 7, 2017 at 2:42:24 PM UTC-8, Dave Johnston wrote:
>
> The newer Sams have slightly shorter effective top tubes relative to their 
> seat tubes than the first generation ones. The 60cm model had a 61cm top 
> tube and today's 58cm model has a 59cm effective top tube. That may work 
> better for you with drop bars and maybe worse with upright bars. 
>
> The 2016 and on 58cm model will have a single top tube as well. Does your 
> bike have a double top tube? I would guess that a double top tube would 
> make a bike less lively, but more tour worthy. If you are more leg than 
> torso I would have recommended going down in size vs up as long as the bars 
> would end up where you want them. Smaller bikes tend to feel more lively 
> and bigger ones tend to be more stable because of the longer wheelbase, but 
> I'm dubious there is a speed difference.
>
> I believe that the early Sams had thinner wall tubes but I can't find the 
> specs on those. The "Silver" tubes on the current models are pretty darn 
> thick. The top tube on the 55cm is 0.9 - 0.7mm and the downtube 1.1 - 
> 0.8mm. I think some of the tubes are single butted.
>
> I have a early 56cm Atlantis and have always found it sluggish feeling 
> compared to 56 Ram and 57 Bleriot. Its a good tourer and can fit 2" tires, 
> so its a better trail rider, so that is a trade off I accept and I still 
> find rides fun on almost any bike, but the Atlantis did not work out as the 
> "bike for all uses" because of that. It can do it all, but it is not as 
> much fun on unloaded zippy day rides. I believe the current Atlantis has 
> thicker tubing than the early generation ones, but Riv doesn't like to talk 
> about tubing so I'm not sure.
>
>
> -Dave J
>
>
> On Thursday, January 5, 2017 at 5:29:16 PM UTC-5, John Bokman wrote:
>>
>> I'm trying to discern if there's any real (not imagined) physical 
>> properties of the upsloping top tube on my 2009 Sam that would make it a 
>> sluggish climber. I've never cared for the aesthetics of the sloped frame, 
>> so I'm thinking it could be in my head. But the truth is, I've always felt 
>> the bike is sluggish climbing, and I'm curious what other's think. Granted, 
>> tires make a big difference, but regardless of tires and tire pressures 
>> (I've used many variants), the result is the same for me: sluggish 
>> climbing. Whatever you do, please don't tell me it's the motor!
>>
>>  
>>
>

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[RBW] Has anyone used this bell?

[Ray Varella]

https://www.bargaintiger.com/products/modern-bike-bell

Has anyone seen these? Used one?
It's unfortunate they don't have a sound bite so we can hear it. 

Ray
Vallejo CA

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[RBW] Has anyone used this bell?

[William deRosset]

Dear Ray,

It is identical to the Knog oi! bell. I have one. It resonates lightly on 
washboard, and is not as loud as a spur, dia-compe, or crane bell.

It is low profile, looks nice, and integrates well with a handlebar bag and 
decaleur. 

Best, 

Will
William M deRosset
Fort Collins CO

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[RBW] Re: FS: B&M Eyc T Senso Plus Dynamo Front Light - $50 shipped.

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

Eric,
I have one of these as a take-off from my personal bike...if David already 
managed to sell his.  I'll match his price.

cheers

On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 1:28:12 PM UTC-5, Eric wrote:
>
> Hey David, this still available?
>
> - Eric
>

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[RBW] fs: hanging edelux I

[Clayton.sf]

have 1 hanging edelux (first gen) in silver for sale. no tail light connector. 
you will need to use a switch or similar. excellent shape. $75 shipped to CONUS.

Clayton Scott 
SF, CA

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[RBW] Re: FS: B&M Eyc T Senso Plus Dynamo Front Light - $50 shipped.

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

(of course buy from David if he still has it)

On Saturday, January 7, 2017 at 7:01:31 PM UTC-5, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow 
Haus Bicycles wrote:
>
> Eric,
> I have one of these as a take-off from my personal bike...if David already 
> managed to sell his.  I'll match his price.
>
> cheers
>
> On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 1:28:12 PM UTC-5, Eric wrote:
>>
>> Hey David, this still available?
>>
>> - Eric
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: strada rosa, goatheads, tubeless

[dougP]

Ted:

Strada Rossa is in goathead country, and given the amount of rain we've had 
so far, it will be a bumper crop by springtime.  Hopefully David will chime 
in with his hard won wisdom on the subject of tire selection & sealants.  
He's tried a lot of things so he can speak with authority on the subject.

I've ridden it on Marathon Supreme & Marathon Mondials with tubes, sans 
sealant, without flats, but perhaps I've been lucky.  

dougP

On Saturday, January 7, 2017 at 8:23:20 AM UTC-8, ted wrote:
>
> I recall reading that there are a lot of goatheads on the strada rosa 
> route, and I am wondering if that is a compelling argument in favor of 
> doing that ride with a tubeless setup. 
> What do those who know the ride think?
>

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[RBW] Crankset snafu and front derailleur conundrum

[Fullylugged]

I have an unused campy 30 I can swap you for your 28 if you'd rather. PM me if 
you like.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Thinking about selling my Rambouillet

[Fullylugged]

Brakes and tires available now were not when the Road and Road Standard were 
sold, so the bike wasn't designed for them. If converted to 650B, they will 
just squeeze 38mm tires in or you can run Maxy Fasty (33.4) with fenders. 
Several of us here on the list have converted to 650B and I've only heard good 
thoughts from them on it.

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[RBW] Crankset snafu and front derailleur conundrum

[Zach Duval]

Thanks for the reassurance, everyone.

Is anyone running the SunXCD front der to shift across 18 teeth?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hillborne 6-degree upsloping top tube

[David Johnston]

I swapped a riv recommended 58cm Ram for a 56cm Ram for similar
reasons by buying a unbuilt F&F one off the list, moving the parts
over and then selling my used but great condition 58 on the list a few
weeks later. I think I only lost $50-100.

When I ordered the 58cm I was off in my Saddle height measurement by
about +1cm because I was using a non-B17 and some sort of different
MTB clipless pedal system, so that is part of the reason Riv put me on
the larger frame. Even with all that, the 58cm fit pretty well of the
french fit type with a bit less than a fistful of post, and the ride
was a bit smoother, I wanted a more racy look /feel though for my "go
fast" Rambouillet.

-Dave J

On 1/7/17, John Bokman  wrote:
> Forgot to mention, mine is the single top tube Sam. I don't remember an
> option for a 2X top tube in 2009.
>
> On Saturday, January 7, 2017 at 2:42:24 PM UTC-8, Dave Johnston wrote:
>>
>> The newer Sams have slightly shorter effective top tubes relative to their
>>
>> seat tubes than the first generation ones. The 60cm model had a 61cm top
>> tube and today's 58cm model has a 59cm effective top tube. That may work
>> better for you with drop bars and maybe worse with upright bars.
>>
>> The 2016 and on 58cm model will have a single top tube as well. Does your
>>
>> bike have a double top tube? I would guess that a double top tube would
>> make a bike less lively, but more tour worthy. If you are more leg than
>> torso I would have recommended going down in size vs up as long as the
>> bars
>> would end up where you want them. Smaller bikes tend to feel more lively
>> and bigger ones tend to be more stable because of the longer wheelbase,
>> but
>> I'm dubious there is a speed difference.
>>
>> I believe that the early Sams had thinner wall tubes but I can't find the
>>
>> specs on those. The "Silver" tubes on the current models are pretty darn
>> thick. The top tube on the 55cm is 0.9 - 0.7mm and the downtube 1.1 -
>> 0.8mm. I think some of the tubes are single butted.
>>
>> I have a early 56cm Atlantis and have always found it sluggish feeling
>> compared to 56 Ram and 57 Bleriot. Its a good tourer and can fit 2" tires,
>>
>> so its a better trail rider, so that is a trade off I accept and I still
>> find rides fun on almost any bike, but the Atlantis did not work out as
>> the
>> "bike for all uses" because of that. It can do it all, but it is not as
>> much fun on unloaded zippy day rides. I believe the current Atlantis has
>> thicker tubing than the early generation ones, but Riv doesn't like to
>> talk
>> about tubing so I'm not sure.
>>
>>
>> -Dave J
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, January 5, 2017 at 5:29:16 PM UTC-5, John Bokman wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm trying to discern if there's any real (not imagined) physical
>>> properties of the upsloping top tube on my 2009 Sam that would make it a
>>>
>>> sluggish climber. I've never cared for the aesthetics of the sloped
>>> frame,
>>> so I'm thinking it could be in my head. But the truth is, I've always
>>> felt
>>> the bike is sluggish climbing, and I'm curious what other's think.
>>> Granted,
>>> tires make a big difference, but regardless of tires and tire pressures
>>> (I've used many variants), the result is the same for me: sluggish
>>> climbing. Whatever you do, please don't tell me it's the motor!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: So what do I put in my tea now?

[lum gim fong]

So if one ate only what Taubes says to eat, I wonder what percentage of 
edible foods for humans found on the planet would have to be cut out.

Like, if *every* human, today, started ate Taubes diet, would a large 
percentage of plant and animal life never be harvested again for human 
consumption?

And would that percentage be so high as to be considered the Taubes diet a 
perversion?

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[RBW] Re: So what do I put in my tea now?

[lum gim fong]

By the way, that 105 year old Frenchman who just rode 14 miles in an 
hour said he eats vegetables and did ultra riding beginning at age 68.

So his life debunks the low carb diet fad, as well as the latest 
"ultra-events-are-not-good-for-you" fad.

>
>

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[RBW] Has anyone used this bell?

[William deRosset]

I will add: if you still have any high frequency hearing, it will probably 
drive you insane on washboard surfaces. It rings lightly right at cruising 
speed. Slow way down, or hammer along at over 20 mph, and it is not a problem.

The spurcycle bell or the ene cyclo knockoff are a more functional product.

Best,

Will

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[RBW] Has anyone used this bell?

[William deRosset]

I will add: if you still have any high frequency hearing, it will probably 
drive you insane on washboard surfaces. It rings lightly right at cruising 
speed. Slow way down, or hammer along at over 20 mph, and it is not a problem.

The spurcycle bell or the ene cyclo knockoff are a more functional product.

Best,

Will

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[RBW] Has anyone used this bell?

[William deRosset]

I will add: if you still have any high frequency hearing, it will probably 
drive you insane on washboard surfaces. It rings lightly right at cruising 
speed. Slow way down, or hammer along at over 20 mph, and it is not a problem.

The spurcycle bell or the ene cyclo knockoff are a more functional product.

Best,

Will

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[RBW] WTB: albastache handlebars

[mike gasparino]

Give me a holler!

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[RBW] Has anyone used this bell?

[Ray Varella]

Thanks Will,
That's very helpful. 

Cheers,
Ray
Vallejo CA

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[RBW] Re: So what do I put in my tea now?

[Deacon Patrick]

You're reaching conclusions perhaps without all the information. For 
example, did you realize that eating veggies is an intigral part of low 
carb? The leafier and greener the better, in general, and they aren't 
carbs, they digest to fatty acids. Additionally, what you refer to as 
the "ultra-events-are-not-good-for-you" fad actually refers to anaerobic 
activity, chronic cardio, not to low-level aerobic activity associated with 
healthy endurance activities.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, January 7, 2017 at 6:53:52 PM UTC-7, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> By the way, that 105 year old Frenchman who just rode 14 miles in an 
> hour said he eats vegetables and did ultra riding beginning at age 68.
>
> So his life debunks the low carb diet fad, as well as the latest 
> "ultra-events-are-not-good-for-you" fad.
>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Great Divide Thoughts

[John Rinker]

Planning to ride my Hunq along the Great Divide late Summer into Fall. My 
current set-up has the albatross bar, but I'm looking to switch them out 
for either Bosco bullmoose or bullmoose. I don't have experience with 
either, but am looking for something that will handle well on rough trail. 
One issue I have with the albas when taking bigger hits on singletrack is 
their tendency to drop due to the leverage of my hands. I figure either of 
the bullmoose bars will eradicate this. Any thoughts appreciated.

Cheers, John 

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