[RBW] Sage Sam tough-up color?

[Jack Barnes]

Just wondering if anyone has found a good nail polish tone to use for 
touching up their sage hillborne. Noticed a few minor chips & scuffs that 
I'd like to treat next time I get all of this PDX grime wiped off the frame.

cheers,
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[RBW] Re: MUSA pre-order

[drew]

I can't imagine anyone really wanting or needing a colored crotch, but it seems 
like a lot of people really don't want a colored crotch.

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[RBW] Roscoe Mtn Mixte on the road.

[Ray Varella]

Guilty!
I kicked myself for not bringing a camera along, especially when I stopped to 
admire a Peregrine Falcon basking in the sun and a minute later a Turkey 
Vulture came and landed nearly on top of him, needless to say, the Falcon left. 

One of the reasons for building this bike is to carry a camera. 

I need to sort out my rack, bag, basket combo. 

Ray
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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Re: Glorius and Wilbury

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Fab ride , I can attest.

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On Feb 16, 2017, at 9:37 PM, Chris Birkenmaier 
> wrote:

Very helpful guys.  Thanks!  I'm afraid a 58 is too big for me.  Any idea on 
price?  Akin to a Roadeo frame, for instance?  Photos still encouraged!

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Different names, same bike. Available as a semi-custom (built-to-order to a Riv 
spec), or you can by the 58cm Glorius Rich-at-Riv is selling. Compared to a 
Cheviot it has shorter chsinstays and super-fancy lugs. I suspect the tubing is 
a bit thinner, too.

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Glorius and Wilbury

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I have a (weirdly built) Wilbury. I can post some pics later.

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Glorius and Wilbury

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They're the same bike, different decals.  There's even one somewhere that has a 
Glorious badge and Wilbury transfers ( or vice versus, I forget).

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[RBW] Roscoe Mtn Mixte on the road.

[Michael Morrissey]

Post photos! I seriously think the Roscoe Mtn Mixte is the best looking 
Rivendell ever. 

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[RBW] Roscoe Mtn Mixte on the road.

[LeahFoy]

You dared to post this without photos?!? You brave soul!

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[RBW] Roscoe Mtn Mixte on the road.

[Ray Varella]

Got my Roscoe on the road and took it for a couple hour ride today. 
I must admit, it rides every bit as good, probably even better than the custom 
Allrounder it replaced. 

It was a parts bin build. 
Sugino AT triple cranks w/Phil BB
Rich Built Dyad/Aeroheat 650b wheels 8 speed 13-32
Suntour XC Pro rear
Some Suntour front, part of the body is dark green, not sure about model
Suntour power ratchet thumines. Shifting is great. 
Albatross bars, Technomic Deluxe stem
Some Dia-Compe levers mated to my vintage Mafac tandem cantilevers. 
Braking is great. 
Brooks saddle
Thunder Burt tires, really nice size tire and ride nicely. 

What a great value in a frame. 
Grant and company are definitely producing more evolved designs. 
Getting a step through has been in the back of mind for a while. 
It will be nice to have such a bike as I age. 

Anyone else get theirs built up yet?

I think you will really like yours. 

Ray
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[RBW] Re: Glorius and Wilbury

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Very helpful guys.  Thanks!  I'm afraid a 58 is too big for me.  Any idea 
on price?  Akin to a Roadeo frame, for instance?  Photos still encouraged!

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> Different names, same bike. Available as a semi-custom (built-to-order to 
> a Riv spec), or you can by the 58cm Glorius Rich-at-Riv is selling. 
> Compared to a Cheviot it has shorter chsinstays and super-fancy lugs. I 
> suspect the tubing is a bit thinner, too. 

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[RBW] Glorius and Wilbury

[Joe Bernard]

Different names, same bike. Available as a semi-custom (built-to-order to a Riv 
spec), or you can by the 58cm Glorius Rich-at-Riv is selling. Compared to a 
Cheviot it has shorter chsinstays and super-fancy lugs. I suspect the tubing is 
a bit thinner, too. 

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[RBW] Glorius and Wilbury

[Richard Rios]

Difference=stickers

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[RBW] Re: MUSA pre-order

[RichS]

Other than black Riv has done olive green w/o the contrasting gusset. The 
latest offering has the boldest color contrast I can recall. 

Regards,
Richard

On Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 6:54:49 PM UTC-5, John Hawrylak wrote:
>
> Did RBW ever explain the contrasting color gussets??   I do not recall 
> seeing something.
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ 
>
> On Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 7:09:47 AM UTC-5, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
>> I agree. I mentioned on another thread I don't use my butterscotch/olive 
>> green MUSA pants very often because of this. And every time I went for the 
>> black/black they were sold out. For a company that stresses riding in 
>> "regular" clothes, this detail is indeed inexplicable. We can get the 
>> concept that they have a gusset without making a color contrast, which is 
>> unflatteringly odd when spotted at the grocery store or the library or a 
>> garden party. I'm not overly fussy about my appearance but it kind of makes 
>> me feel like A.. Hey, there's my crotch, see? or B. I'm out in my weird 
>> pajamas. And I'm no mob boss 
>> .
>>
>>  I do have an older slate blue pair of MUSA shorts that has a dark blue 
>> gusset that is passable.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, February 13, 2017 at 11:22:39 AM UTC-5, drew wrote:
>>>
>>> Love musa shorts. Hate the colored gusset thing they keep doing. A Truly 
>>> baffling and unnecessary design choice to me. I was excited to get the new 
>>> version, but a colored crotch is a deal breaker. 
>>
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[RBW] Glorius and Wilbury

[Chris Birkenmaier]

I guess my research skills must be lacking as I am unable to determine what 
the difference is, if any, between these two models by goggling around the 
net.  Can anyone enlighten me?  I was also wondering about these models as 
I read that a Glorius is still available from Riv but its not found on the 
website as an option.  Would it have to be made as a custom only?  I know I 
could call Rivendell directly but I thought I would bring it up here to 
also see if anyone who has one of these models would like to post some 
photos.  I have a Cheviot already so not sure if these bikes would give me 
anything more than I currently own.  Thanks for any input!

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[RBW] Re: Rosco Bubbe photos on Flickr

[WETH]

Jim, thanks for setting up the group.
Ryan, the 16 year old is my son.  After I explained the concept of the Rosco 
Bubbe, he began following the project updates.  The headbadge and lettering 
sealed the deal.  He enjoys riding it so I couldn't ask for much more.  I had 
him watch/help me build it up, and. though he doesn't currently show any 
interest in wrenching, I hope I planted a seed for later.  We are planning a 
mini tour now for this summer.
Thanks,
Erl

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[RBW] Re: WTT/WTB: (I have a) 58cm Hunqapillar F for a 54cm Hunqapillar F Free diagatube with trade ;)

[brianweee]

Hey Adam! I have a 83.1 cm PBH. (Short legs). Are you interested?

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Re: [RBW] New tires, perhaps?

[LeahFoy]

Well, the shop called and said good news(!) your chain's got life left and we 
trimmed your fender and reattached your mudflap. Bad news(!) the spokes are 
pulling away from the rim (or something) and the rear wheel should be replaced. 
Fine, whatever, just restore her to her former glory, I said. "Oh good, we'll 
get that ordered," he said. And then my heart sunk into the bottom of my chest 
and all my joy drained out of me at the prospect of being bikeless for several 
more days. Maybe I'll just go buy another BBITW to inoculate myself from future 
cruel tragedies. A Cheviot done up in red and cream, I think.

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: VP Pedals on sale

[Richard Rios]

There's been a good bit said. So I'll just throw in my .02. I try to support my 
LBS whenever possible. But when I do I go there with the mindset of I am paying 
for service and dont really sweat the price. If the service isn't there then 
why would I pay a higher price? And I dont. I do and don't like the really low 
ball blow out prices. I like them because they can be nice when you find them 
and it's something useful. But then they bum me out because i know that it 
really kills the price of that item on the second hand market. I recently 
bought a clem for full price and it is worth it! But then I saw Riv had 
discounted it and I thought dang if I ever go to sell, which I don't plan on 
but I never rule out, people will remember that lower price. This happens to me 
occasionally enough because I am in a situation where i kinda have to buy to 
try for better or worse. Unfortunately my experiences with most LBS has been on 
the not that good side of things. Most of the shops in my area cater to the 
racier type folks. so when I ask for "regular" type stuff they don't typically 
stock they don't seem in all that much of a hurry to help. Which sours me in 
general to tryin LBS.This has happened to me at shops even when they do 
specialize in "normal" suff. I took a trip out to one such shop in the Los 
Angeles area about a 75 min drive from where I live to buy a bike. I said yeah 
I'll take it! Order it up... and they gave me some rig a ma roll about needing 
to check stock first and then never got back to me until days later after 
having had promised to get back much sooner. I end ended up buying the bike 
direct and could clearly see the bike was I'm stock online from jump. Not sure 
what that was about but I was bummed because i really wanted to find a great 
new shop to support...b ut the servuce wasn't there :(. I'm not money rich but 
am blessed to have a wife  kid, morgage and all that good stuff. Expensive 
bikes and parts are a luxury for me so I spend to support when I can and save a 
few bucks when possible. I support Rivendell as much as I can because I really 
have learned so much about cycling from Grant. If I hadn't found Riv I'd prolly 
be all hunched over on  some to small frame staring at the ground and missing 
out on so much of what I enjoy about riding a bike. That is worth something to 
me. With that said sometimes I am broker than others and because I am here in 
Cali I get hit with tax plus shipping and the higher price from Riv which just 
makes that voice kick in and say I gotta support my family also and that 
cheaper price becomes to hard to pass up... There shouldnt be any judgemt 
passing or guilt. I think amongst those who participate in this group we are 
all mindful and all just doing the best we can working within the economy we 
have. Stevies looks great by the way! I would love to have a shop like that in 
my neck of the woods. Seems to show good service really does sell. 

Richard

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[RBW] Re: MUSA pre-order

[John Hawrylak]

Did RBW ever explain the contrasting color gussets??   I do not recall 
seeing something.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ 

On Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 7:09:47 AM UTC-5, Mark in Beacon wrote:

> I agree. I mentioned on another thread I don't use my butterscotch/olive 
> green MUSA pants very often because of this. And every time I went for the 
> black/black they were sold out. For a company that stresses riding in 
> "regular" clothes, this detail is indeed inexplicable. We can get the 
> concept that they have a gusset without making a color contrast, which is 
> unflatteringly odd when spotted at the grocery store or the library or a 
> garden party. I'm not overly fussy about my appearance but it kind of makes 
> me feel like A.. Hey, there's my crotch, see? or B. I'm out in my weird 
> pajamas. And I'm no mob boss 
> .
>
>  I do have an older slate blue pair of MUSA shorts that has a dark blue 
> gusset that is passable.
>
>
> On Monday, February 13, 2017 at 11:22:39 AM UTC-5, drew wrote:
>>
>> Love musa shorts. Hate the colored gusset thing they keep doing. A Truly 
>> baffling and unnecessary design choice to me. I was excited to get the new 
>> version, but a colored crotch is a deal breaker. 
>
>

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[RBW] Joe review on the BLUG

[dougP]

Most excellent review of the Joe on the BLUG.  A guy with long term bike 
experience pops for a Joe after reading one review and doing minimal 
research.  As may be expected, he loves the bike and the riding style it 
encourages.  Worth a look and good to pass along to anyone wanting to know 
"what's it all about".  

dougP

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: VP Pedals on sale

[Hugh Smitham]

I don't subscribe to the customer is always right. The customer may be
misinformed but courtesy is a bastion of a successful business enterprise.
Rivendell has always got that. Haha fire the customer that's rich.

~Hugh




On Feb 16, 2017 3:40 PM, "panog"  wrote:

 The customer is always right until they are not. At that point the best a
business could do is fire that customer. It works both ways.

Pano G.
Wash DC

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: VP Pedals on sale

[panog]

 The customer is always right until they are not. At that point the best a 
business could do is fire that customer. It works both ways.

Pano G.
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: VP Pedals on sale

[Ryan Fleming]

I suspect you have many repeat (and happy customers) and I expect you will 
even attract a new legion of loyal fans. In fact , may I say, I'm sure of it

Ryan F.  ever since 1997 and probably not done yet

On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 at 5:56:55 PM UTC-6, Grant @ Rivendell 
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>
> Nobody here keeps score, but for the record...if we had a thousand Patrick 
> Moores, we'd be fat and gorgeous.
>
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Patrick Moore  > wrote:
>
>> One -- I won't say problem, but one factor affecting a decision to buy 
>> from Rivendell or from another online vendor or from a LBS or used or 
>> whatever, is the "style" of merchandise. I'm fortunately at the time of 
>> life and at the period in my bike tastes that I have most of what I want, 
>> and my needs are very, very particular. I have my own likes and dislikes 
>> about bikes, riding style, and cycling clothing, and my only "generic" 
>> needs are almost commodity items -- cables, housing, ferrules, sealants, 
>> lubes, and so forth.
>>
>> Rivendell offers a very distinct "style" of bicycles and clothing and 
>> accessories, and for the most part they are not what I want. I'd happily 
>> order more if the inventory was more to my taste. Also, I'd happily order a 
>> Roadeo, a Hunq (maybe; I'd want to convert it to disc brakes), a Legolas 
>> perhaps a Clem, *if* I had the money, but these would be outlier items, 
>> not the focus of my riding preferences.
>>
>> As for the generic things, I can buy them as cheaply at LBS's and support 
>> local businesses.
>>
>> I suppose my Rivendell-fandom is largely coasting on the 3 customs I've 
>> ordered, and on the wonderful Wooly Warm outer jersey -- ragg knit?--  with 
>> tall button collar, rear pockets, trim but not tight cut -- wonderful over 
>> a base wool LS jersey at temps from, say, 45F down to 35F. If Riv still 
>> offered that vest in the same style, I'd truly weigh it against an Ibex.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 4:09 PM, Evan E. > > wrote:
>>
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>>> once a year? -- I always find it interesting. 
>>>
>>> By and large, I try to buy merchandise from Rivendell and to buy labor 
>>> from my LBS. Once in a while, I'll buy an item from an online merchant, 
>>> particularly if, per Grant's post above, said merchant sounds like an 
>>> actual business with actual staff, and, yes, if it offers a good deal on 
>>> something (such as VP Vice pedals) that Riv and my LBS don't stock.
>>>
>>> I love Rivendell and I love the people there, so I do support them. But 
>>> today all I have in my Riv shopping cart is ferrules and two tubes. I don't 
>>> need the tubes. And I've already loaded up on various parts, books, 
>>> bandannas, and pine tar soap. But come to think of it (duh), maybe I should 
>>> buy a gift certificate to use toward future purchases. That would give Riv 
>>> some cash flow -- an advance of sorts. Right?
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[RBW] Re: Rosco Bubbe photos on Flickr

[Ryan Fleming]

good idea...neat bikes...that's for sure and I love the photo of the 16th 
birthday bike...that young man is very lucky to have such an enlightened 
father...pretty hip kid to be jonesing for the bike instead of the driver's 
license

On Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 4:29:17 PM UTC-6, Jim S. wrote:
>
> Here's a better link, to the whole Rosco group.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/groups/3294136@N25/
>
> My intent had been to develop a collection of a variety of Rosco Bubbe 
> photos, not just two photos of my humble Rosco.
>
> On Friday, February 10, 2017 at 4:21:51 PM UTC-6, Jim S. wrote:
>>
>> I really enjoy the various photos of bicycles that group members post. 
>> I'd enjoy seeing lots of Rosco Bubbes, in all their variety of forms, in 
>> one place.
>>
>> I'm no photographer, but I created a group, added a couple of photos of 
>> mine, and attached a link.
>>
>> https://flic.kr/p/Rr7vz7 
>> 
>>
>> If you happen to share my enthusiasm, please feel free to upload some 
>> Rosco Bubbe photos and add them to this group.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Rosco Bubbe photos on Flickr

[Jim S.]

Here's a better link, to the whole Rosco group.

https://www.flickr.com/groups/3294136@N25/

My intent had been to develop a collection of a variety of Rosco Bubbe 
photos, not just two photos of my humble Rosco.

On Friday, February 10, 2017 at 4:21:51 PM UTC-6, Jim S. wrote:
>
> I really enjoy the various photos of bicycles that group members post. I'd 
> enjoy seeing lots of Rosco Bubbes, in all their variety of forms, in one 
> place.
>
> I'm no photographer, but I created a group, added a couple of photos of 
> mine, and attached a link.
>
> https://flic.kr/p/Rr7vz7 
> 
>
> If you happen to share my enthusiasm, please feel free to upload some 
> Rosco Bubbe photos and add them to this group.
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[RBW] Re: WTT/WTB: (I have a) 58cm Hunqapillar F for a 54cm Hunqapillar F Free diagatube with trade ;)

[adam leibow]

hey Brian, what is your PBH?

On Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 11:46:18 AM UTC-8, brianweee wrote:
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>
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[RBW] Re: Your S24O tent recommendation

['doc' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Forgot to mention:  The Kelty is free standing, meaning you can set it up 
without using any stakes, and the fly is still off of the netting.  Only 
you can't use the vestibules.  The BA requires about 5-6 stakes with the 
fly section to keep it off of the netting, plus you have some guy-cords 
that require staking.  This can be an issue on rocky ground.

On Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 3:14:08 PM UTC-5, doc wrote:
>
> I have two smaller tents that get pressed into service for bike camping. 
>  The first is a used Kelty Gunnison 2 person that runs about 4 pounds and 
> sets up lightening fast.  I take that if I'm going to be out more than a 
> few days (because of the extra room for changing clothes, etc...) or if it 
> looks like there might be rain so I can pull all the gear inside.  Its 
> proved to be a very cost effective "start-up" tent.   I also have a used BA 
> Seedhouse SL1 which is very light and compact, and just big enough.  That's 
> good for S240's as well as backpacking.
>
> My biggest wish for a small tent is camouflage, so I can blend in to the 
> landscape.  I like to avoid the campgrounds and stick to forests for the 
> solitude as well as the costs (free).  Most army surplus is pretty beat and 
> rather heavy, and most tactical stuff is way overpriced.  The ideal would 
> be for BA to offer camo print flys as an option. 
>
> On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 at 12:13:51 PM UTC-5, BenG wrote:
>>
>> State parks within 30 miles on 3 compass points, and I have yet to do an 
>> S24O. This is my year. What tent do you recommend, please? And thank you,
>> Ben
>
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[RBW] Re: Your S24O tent recommendation

['doc' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I have two smaller tents that get pressed into service for bike camping. 
 The first is a used Kelty Gunnison 2 person that runs about 4 pounds and 
sets up lightening fast.  I take that if I'm going to be out more than a 
few days (because of the extra room for changing clothes, etc...) or if it 
looks like there might be rain so I can pull all the gear inside.  Its 
proved to be a very cost effective "start-up" tent.   I also have a used BA 
Seedhouse SL1 which is very light and compact, and just big enough.  That's 
good for S240's as well as backpacking.

My biggest wish for a small tent is camouflage, so I can blend in to the 
landscape.  I like to avoid the campgrounds and stick to forests for the 
solitude as well as the costs (free).  Most army surplus is pretty beat and 
rather heavy, and most tactical stuff is way overpriced.  The ideal would 
be for BA to offer camo print flys as an option. 

On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 at 12:13:51 PM UTC-5, BenG wrote:
>
> State parks within 30 miles on 3 compass points, and I have yet to do an 
> S24O. This is my year. What tent do you recommend, please? And thank you,
> Ben

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Re: [RBW] Your S24O tent recommendation

['doc' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Take a look at a Montbell bag.  They have diagonal elastic seams which 
normally keeps the bag snug against the body (quicker to heat up) but will 
also expand when you stretch out.  I believe they are now made in Viet Nam.

On Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 2:02:28 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I did try to sleep in my mummy-shaped bag, which puts my legs in to 
> mermaid mode.  It completely prevents me from splaying my legs to either 
> side.  Perhaps I need to try one of those quilt things?  Yay!  More gear!
>
> B
>
> On Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 9:59:30 AM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:
>>
>> I would look to an expert—it seems the proper way to lay in a hammock is 
>> to have your legs hang over the sides, which allows the knees to bend 
>> naturally. Problem solved.
>>
>>
>>
>> --Eric N
>> campyo...@me.com
>> www.CampyOnly.com
>> Campyonlyguy.blogspot.com
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>>
>>
>> On Feb 16, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Tim Gavin  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Bill-
>>
>> A wide enough hammock can allow you to lie down diagonally, so the curve 
>> is less extreme.  
>>
>>
>>
>> But yeah, that hyperextension bugs the hell out of my knees.  When lying 
>> on my back in a hammock, I usually end up with my legs splayed instead of 
>> straight.  Or, I just sleep on my side (I'm a side sleeper).
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>>> I can't get to sleep in a hammock.  Getting bent into that "C" (or "V") 
>>> shape makes my knees ache from hyperextension.  Am I the only one who can't 
>>> do it?  Am I just doing it wrong?  I use my hammock for lounging, but 
>>> couldn't fall asleep trying to do an overnighter in the backyard as an S24O 
>>> shake down.  
>>>
>>> Bill hammock-challenged Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 9:47:39 AM UTC-8, Jon BALER wrote:

 Hammocks are great.   A 3/4 pad works well, but an underquilt is even 
 better.   Neither is needed for summer camping, and a hammock will feel 
 cooler on the hot summer nights.

 We did a 5 week west coast trip, and all three of us used hammocks.  My 
 buddy has also through hiked the AT, and rode across country and back with 
 a hammock.

 WarBonnet Blackbird hammocks come highly recommended

 https://www.warbonnetoutdoors.com/product-category/hammocks/


 On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 at 9:20:53 PM UTC-5, Ginz wrote:
>
> I like the Hennessey Hammock. The bubble foil insulation is probably 
> quiet but the space blanket is definitely noises. In warm weather I bring 
> only a bag. In cooler weather I bring a foam pad for extra insulation. 
>
> I also have the spitfire tent. If I could do it again, I'd try to find 
> something free standing and possibly with a vestibule in case of rain. 
>

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[RBW] WTT/WTB: (I have a) 58cm Hunqapillar F for a 54cm Hunqapillar F Free diagatube with trade ;)

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Re: [RBW] Your S24O tent recommendation

[Jeff Lesperance]

Diagonal space or asym desgin of the Hennessy hammock (and others I'm sure
have this too), is the secret sauce to not getting bent up while sleeping.
I put my thermarest pad in the hammock with me, and that helps flatten the
bottom a bit more as well if I wiggle around a bit. I sleep comfortably on
my back and on my side in my Hennessy hammock, and I'm a bit of a princess
and the pea sleeper at home, where I've invested in a "sleep number" bed
that allows me to adjust firmness on a whim.



On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 12:57 PM, Tim Gavin 
wrote:

> Bill-
>
> A wide enough hammock can allow you to lie down diagonally, so the curve
> is less extreme.
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> But yeah, that hyperextension bugs the hell out of my knees.  When lying
> on my back in a hammock, I usually end up with my legs splayed instead of
> straight.  Or, I just sleep on my side (I'm a side sleeper).
>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Bill Lindsay 
> wrote:
>
>> I can't get to sleep in a hammock.  Getting bent into that "C" (or "V")
>> shape makes my knees ache from hyperextension.  Am I the only one who can't
>> do it?  Am I just doing it wrong?  I use my hammock for lounging, but
>> couldn't fall asleep trying to do an overnighter in the backyard as an S24O
>> shake down.
>>
>> Bill hammock-challenged Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 9:47:39 AM UTC-8, Jon BALER wrote:
>>>
>>> Hammocks are great.   A 3/4 pad works well, but an underquilt is even
>>> better.   Neither is needed for summer camping, and a hammock will feel
>>> cooler on the hot summer nights.
>>>
>>> We did a 5 week west coast trip, and all three of us used hammocks.  My
>>> buddy has also through hiked the AT, and rode across country and back with
>>> a hammock.
>>>
>>> WarBonnet Blackbird hammocks come highly recommended
>>>
>>> https://www.warbonnetoutdoors.com/product-category/hammocks/
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 at 9:20:53 PM UTC-5, Ginz wrote:

 I like the Hennessey Hammock. The bubble foil insulation is probably
 quiet but the space blanket is definitely noises. In warm weather I bring
 only a bag. In cooler weather I bring a foam pad for extra insulation.

 I also have the spitfire tent. If I could do it again, I'd try to find
 something free standing and possibly with a vestibule in case of rain.

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Re: [RBW] Your S24O tent recommendation

[Bill Lindsay]

I did try to sleep in my mummy-shaped bag, which puts my legs in to mermaid 
mode.  It completely prevents me from splaying my legs to either side. 
 Perhaps I need to try one of those quilt things?  Yay!  More gear!

B

On Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 9:59:30 AM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> I would look to an expert—it seems the proper way to lay in a hammock is 
> to have your legs hang over the sides, which allows the knees to bend 
> naturally. Problem solved.
>
>
>
> --Eric N
> campyo...@me.com 
> www.CampyOnly.com
> Campyonlyguy.blogspot.com
> @Campyonlyguy
>
>
> On Feb 16, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Tim Gavin  > wrote:
>
> Bill-
>
> A wide enough hammock can allow you to lie down diagonally, so the curve 
> is less extreme.  
>
>
>
> But yeah, that hyperextension bugs the hell out of my knees.  When lying 
> on my back in a hammock, I usually end up with my legs splayed instead of 
> straight.  Or, I just sleep on my side (I'm a side sleeper).
>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Bill Lindsay  > wrote:
>
>> I can't get to sleep in a hammock.  Getting bent into that "C" (or "V") 
>> shape makes my knees ache from hyperextension.  Am I the only one who can't 
>> do it?  Am I just doing it wrong?  I use my hammock for lounging, but 
>> couldn't fall asleep trying to do an overnighter in the backyard as an S24O 
>> shake down.  
>>
>> Bill hammock-challenged Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 9:47:39 AM UTC-8, Jon BALER wrote:
>>>
>>> Hammocks are great.   A 3/4 pad works well, but an underquilt is even 
>>> better.   Neither is needed for summer camping, and a hammock will feel 
>>> cooler on the hot summer nights.
>>>
>>> We did a 5 week west coast trip, and all three of us used hammocks.  My 
>>> buddy has also through hiked the AT, and rode across country and back with 
>>> a hammock.
>>>
>>> WarBonnet Blackbird hammocks come highly recommended
>>>
>>> https://www.warbonnetoutdoors.com/product-category/hammocks/
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 at 9:20:53 PM UTC-5, Ginz wrote:

 I like the Hennessey Hammock. The bubble foil insulation is probably 
 quiet but the space blanket is definitely noises. In warm weather I bring 
 only a bag. In cooler weather I bring a foam pad for extra insulation. 

 I also have the spitfire tent. If I could do it again, I'd try to find 
 something free standing and possibly with a vestibule in case of rain. 

>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Bubbe photos on Flickr

[Patrick Moore]

I'm no fan of double top tubes, but I have to say that this instance looks
right -- better than either the top one or the bottom one alone, given the
height of the bar.

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 7:59 AM, Jeremy Till  wrote:

> Cool bike!  I love the way that the front rack platform, the diagatube,
> the rear rack stays, and the rear rack platform all form a single line
> through the bike. It reminds me of the lines of James Black's New Cycle
> Truck  mini cargo
> bike.
>
> On Friday, February 10, 2017 at 2:21:51 PM UTC-8, Jim S. wrote:
>>
>> I really enjoy the various photos of bicycles that group members post.
>> I'd enjoy seeing lots of Rosco Bubbes, in all their variety of forms, in
>> one place.
>>
>> I'm no photographer, but I created a group, added a couple of photos of
>> mine, and attached a link.
>>
>> https://flic.kr/p/Rr7vz7
>> 
>>
>> If you happen to share my enthusiasm, please feel free to upload some
>> Rosco Bubbe photos and add them to this group.
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Re: [RBW] Your S24O tent recommendation

[Eric Norris]

I would look to an expert—it seems the proper way to lay in a hammock is to 
have your legs hang over the sides, which allows the knees to bend naturally. 
Problem solved.



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> On Feb 16, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Tim Gavin  wrote:
> 
> Bill-
> 
> A wide enough hammock can allow you to lie down diagonally, so the curve is 
> less extreme.  
> 
> 
> 
> But yeah, that hyperextension bugs the hell out of my knees.  When lying on 
> my back in a hammock, I usually end up with my legs splayed instead of 
> straight.  Or, I just sleep on my side (I'm a side sleeper).
> 
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Bill Lindsay  > wrote:
> I can't get to sleep in a hammock.  Getting bent into that "C" (or "V") shape 
> makes my knees ache from hyperextension.  Am I the only one who can't do it?  
> Am I just doing it wrong?  I use my hammock for lounging, but couldn't fall 
> asleep trying to do an overnighter in the backyard as an S24O shake down.  
> 
> Bill hammock-challenged Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 9:47:39 AM UTC-8, Jon BALER wrote:
> Hammocks are great.   A 3/4 pad works well, but an underquilt is even better. 
>   Neither is needed for summer camping, and a hammock will feel cooler on the 
> hot summer nights.
> 
> We did a 5 week west coast trip, and all three of us used hammocks.  My buddy 
> has also through hiked the AT, and rode across country and back with a 
> hammock.
> 
> WarBonnet Blackbird hammocks come highly recommended
> 
> https://www.warbonnetoutdoors.com/product-category/hammocks/ 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 at 9:20:53 PM UTC-5, Ginz wrote:
> I like the Hennessey Hammock. The bubble foil insulation is probably quiet 
> but the space blanket is definitely noises. In warm weather I bring only a 
> bag. In cooler weather I bring a foam pad for extra insulation.
> I also have the spitfire tent. If I could do it again, I'd try to find 
> something free standing and possibly with a vestibule in case of rain.
> 
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Re: [RBW] Your S24O tent recommendation

[Tim Gavin]

Bill-

A wide enough hammock can allow you to lie down diagonally, so the curve is
less extreme.

[image: Inline image 1]

But yeah, that hyperextension bugs the hell out of my knees.  When lying on
my back in a hammock, I usually end up with my legs splayed instead of
straight.  Or, I just sleep on my side (I'm a side sleeper).

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> I can't get to sleep in a hammock.  Getting bent into that "C" (or "V")
> shape makes my knees ache from hyperextension.  Am I the only one who can't
> do it?  Am I just doing it wrong?  I use my hammock for lounging, but
> couldn't fall asleep trying to do an overnighter in the backyard as an S24O
> shake down.
>
> Bill hammock-challenged Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 9:47:39 AM UTC-8, Jon BALER wrote:
>>
>> Hammocks are great.   A 3/4 pad works well, but an underquilt is even
>> better.   Neither is needed for summer camping, and a hammock will feel
>> cooler on the hot summer nights.
>>
>> We did a 5 week west coast trip, and all three of us used hammocks.  My
>> buddy has also through hiked the AT, and rode across country and back with
>> a hammock.
>>
>> WarBonnet Blackbird hammocks come highly recommended
>>
>> https://www.warbonnetoutdoors.com/product-category/hammocks/
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 at 9:20:53 PM UTC-5, Ginz wrote:
>>>
>>> I like the Hennessey Hammock. The bubble foil insulation is probably
>>> quiet but the space blanket is definitely noises. In warm weather I bring
>>> only a bag. In cooler weather I bring a foam pad for extra insulation.
>>>
>>> I also have the spitfire tent. If I could do it again, I'd try to find
>>> something free standing and possibly with a vestibule in case of rain.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: VP Pedals on sale

[Patrick Moore]

And yet Stevie's is thriving, even if on a very small scale. Business has
improved each of the last 5 years or so, and he's expanded twice in that
period, most recently last year. Again, all on a very small scale, but
Steve is thinking of taking the family to Europe this summer.

Why? Friendly service; a friendly neighborhood approach; willingness to
work on anything (4-wheel, 2-person/2 drivetrain quad car? Mopeds? Electric
bikes? Slime the 2 kids' 16" tires? Find a bearing for your baby jogger?);
a focus on "just ride" bikes -- a commuter with 7 gears and battery lights,
fenders, rack, stand for $400? A huge lineup of all types of consignment
bikes; a willingness to order what you want and install it; very good
mechanical services and a knowledge of weird systems. And people come in
and just donate things like the 2 '70s *toute Campy* pro level road bikes.

https://vimeo.com/104867698

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 10:15 PM, iamkeith  wrote:

> ...
>
> https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/warren-
> buffett-just-dropped-walmart-and-signaled-the-death-of-
> retail-as-we-know-it/ar-AAmWKmg
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Re: [RBW] Your S24O tent recommendation

[Bill Lindsay]

I can't get to sleep in a hammock.  Getting bent into that "C" (or "V") 
shape makes my knees ache from hyperextension.  Am I the only one who can't 
do it?  Am I just doing it wrong?  I use my hammock for lounging, but 
couldn't fall asleep trying to do an overnighter in the backyard as an S24O 
shake down.  

Bill hammock-challenged Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA



On Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 9:47:39 AM UTC-8, Jon BALER wrote:
>
> Hammocks are great.   A 3/4 pad works well, but an underquilt is even 
> better.   Neither is needed for summer camping, and a hammock will feel 
> cooler on the hot summer nights.
>
> We did a 5 week west coast trip, and all three of us used hammocks.  My 
> buddy has also through hiked the AT, and rode across country and back with 
> a hammock.
>
> WarBonnet Blackbird hammocks come highly recommended
>
> https://www.warbonnetoutdoors.com/product-category/hammocks/
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 at 9:20:53 PM UTC-5, Ginz wrote:
>>
>> I like the Hennessey Hammock. The bubble foil insulation is probably 
>> quiet but the space blanket is definitely noises. In warm weather I bring 
>> only a bag. In cooler weather I bring a foam pad for extra insulation. 
>>
>> I also have the spitfire tent. If I could do it again, I'd try to find 
>> something free standing and possibly with a vestibule in case of rain. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: VP Pedals on sale

[Jon BALER]

I buy from my LBS most of the time.  I tend to buy things in advance and 
bundle my orders, so it is efficient for me and the shop. They typically 
put in their QBP order on Mondays, so I try to email them just before that 
with my order.

I keep a lot of common parts and consumables stocked in my garage, so I 
rarely need anything quickly.  

On Saturday, February 11, 2017 at 4:29:09 PM UTC-5, Glen wrote:
>
> Steep and Cheap has VP-001 and Vice along with some others on sale right 
> now.
>
> $33 for the 001s and $30 for the Vices
>
> There was a discussion about the Shimano A530s on here a while ago, they 
> are on sale too.
>
> www.steepandcheap.com 
>
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Re: [RBW] Your S24O tent recommendation

[Jon BALER]

Hammocks are great.   A 3/4 pad works well, but an underquilt is even 
better.   Neither is needed for summer camping, and a hammock will feel 
cooler on the hot summer nights.

We did a 5 week west coast trip, and all three of us used hammocks.  My 
buddy has also through hiked the AT, and rode across country and back with 
a hammock.

WarBonnet Blackbird hammocks come highly recommended

https://www.warbonnetoutdoors.com/product-category/hammocks/


On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 at 9:20:53 PM UTC-5, Ginz wrote:
>
> I like the Hennessey Hammock. The bubble foil insulation is probably quiet 
> but the space blanket is definitely noises. In warm weather I bring only a 
> bag. In cooler weather I bring a foam pad for extra insulation. 
>
> I also have the spitfire tent. If I could do it again, I'd try to find 
> something free standing and possibly with a vestibule in case of rain. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Your S24O tent recommendation

[Mark Reimer]

Another vote for Big Agnes. I have the Fly Creek UL 2 Platinum. Pricey, 
absolutely. But it fits two people (pretty squished, but there is a 
vestibule for your gear) or one person (with room for a bit of gear 
inside), weighs LESS than many bivvy sacks, and has held up beautifully for 
the last 3-4 years I've had it. I've used it in snow storms, thunderstorms, 
2-week bikepacking tours in the mountains, all over. It's an amazing tent. 
If it ever dies on me, I'm getting the exact same one again. 



On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 at 8:20:53 PM UTC-6, Ginz wrote:
>
> I like the Hennessey Hammock. The bubble foil insulation is probably quiet 
> but the space blanket is definitely noises. In warm weather I bring only a 
> bag. In cooler weather I bring a foam pad for extra insulation. 
>
> I also have the spitfire tent. If I could do it again, I'd try to find 
> something free standing and possibly with a vestibule in case of rain. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: VP Pedals on sale

[Scott Henry]

This is always a fun read everytime it comes up.
I never vote with my wallet.   I let companies vote for my business with
their pricing.

I know what I want and I know what I'm buying, I assume that most on this
list do as well, I don't need to be sold anything.

If I head to a store (of any type)  and they have something I want cheap,
I'll buy it.  Otherwise, why spend more?   I have worked on and off in bike
shops for 25 years.  Here is a secret, most shops don't like ordering
things for customers.   It's out of their routine, it's not what they
already paid for to stock and it's an extra thing to do.   Most shops place
an order weekly, a few will order twice weekly.   But its still a pain to
do the extra steps for a one-off.   Plus, I can order damn near anything
right off of my phone and have it within 2-3 days.   That's pretty darn
convenient, and I am a man of convenience.

I was killing some time waiting for a friend last weekend and I pulled into
a Field and Stream store.  They had a rather nice carry pistol, a Ruger LCP
2, for $350.   A few second on my phone and it turns out Cabela's which is
a few miles away has it for $300.   Where do you think I spent money?
Both are my "local" store.  Both employ "local" people.   One Just does a
better job at cost management, inventory control and cost cutting and
regulation.

The $50 I saved went right into an eBay seller on a pair of Modolo anatomic
brake hoods that were probably $8 back in the 80s.
All the dollars always get spent.   Its just a measure of who gets them.

For the record, the 001 pedals are nice but routinely go for right about
$45 online.
Cheers,
Scott




On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 12:15 AM, iamkeith  wrote:

> Joe, i dont mean to answer for grant, and am not at all certain there's
> any common thread, but thought this news story from today was interesting -
> about warren buffett signaling the "death of retail." Seems that even the
> businesses that once killed the other businesses are struggling to stay
> alive:
>
> https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/warren-
> buffett-just-dropped-walmart-and-signaled-the-death-of-
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[RBW] Re: Bike Snob and helmets; podcast (from his today's post)

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

Thanks for sharing!!  We have many of the same perspectives...and often 
catch a lot of flak for it locally.

On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 at 9:06:48 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> https://soundcloud.com/justgobike/episode-5-bike-snobs-and-bacon-lovers
>
> Interesting. His judgments or prejudices are similar to my own.
>
> Patrick Moore, who believes that a discounted Nashbar retro-Molteni cap 
> indubitably protects his head, in ABQ, NM - and wishes he'd saved that old 
> Te-ve Blad jersey!
>
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>
> *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the 
> world revolves.) *Carthusian motto
>
> *It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart
>
> *Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *Aristotle
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Brooks Brick Lane Roll-Up Panniers FOR SALE

[Brian Campbell]

Rats! :-)

On Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 10:46:51 AM UTC-5, Wally Estrella wrote:
>
> SOLD!
>
> Brian someone beat you out by 3 minutes on first contact. 
>
>
>
> CHEERS!
> Wally
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[RBW] Re: Brooks Brick Lane Roll-Up Panniers FOR SALE

[Wally Estrella]

SOLD!

Brian someone beat you out by 3 minutes on first contact. 



CHEERS!
Wally

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[RBW] Re: Brooks Brick Lane Roll-Up Panniers FOR SALE

[Brian Campbell]

message sent

On Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 7:53:37 AM UTC-5, Wally Estrella wrote:
>
> Second-hand brand new, mostly new, slightly used Brooks Brick Lane Roll-Up 
> Panniers.  $110 shipped USD, shipping to US.
>
> I had good intent when first getting these, but sold off the intended bike 
> and no need for the current herd.
> Some slight abrasion were from being mounted once on rack then used for a 
> farmers market trip.
> See pics...
>
>
> Hit me offline.
>
>
> CHEERS!
> Wally in Maine
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Rosco Bubbe photos on Flickr

[Jeremy Till]

Cool bike!  I love the way that the front rack platform, the diagatube, the 
rear rack stays, and the rear rack platform all form a single line through 
the bike. It reminds me of the lines of James Black's New Cycle Truck 
 mini cargo bike.  

On Friday, February 10, 2017 at 2:21:51 PM UTC-8, Jim S. wrote:
>
> I really enjoy the various photos of bicycles that group members post. I'd 
> enjoy seeing lots of Rosco Bubbes, in all their variety of forms, in one 
> place.
>
> I'm no photographer, but I created a group, added a couple of photos of 
> mine, and attached a link.
>
> https://flic.kr/p/Rr7vz7 
> 
>
> If you happen to share my enthusiasm, please feel free to upload some 
> Rosco Bubbe photos and add them to this group.
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[RBW] Re: MUSA pre-order

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I agree. I mentioned on another thread I don't use my butterscotch/olive 
green MUSA pants very often because of this. And every time I went for the 
black/black they were sold out. For a company that stresses riding in 
"regular" clothes, this detail is indeed inexplicable. We can get the 
concept that they have a gusset without making a color contrast, which is 
unflatteringly odd when spotted at the grocery store or the library or a 
garden party. I'm not overly fussy about my appearance but it kind of makes 
me feel like A.. Hey, there's my crotch, see? or B. I'm out in my weird 
pajamas. And I'm no mob boss 
.

 I do have an older slate blue pair of MUSA shorts that has a dark blue 
gusset that is passable.


On Monday, February 13, 2017 at 11:22:39 AM UTC-5, drew wrote:
>
> Love musa shorts. Hate the colored gusset thing they keep doing. A Truly 
> baffling and unnecessary design choice to me. I was excited to get the new 
> version, but a colored crotch is a deal breaker. 

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