Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 64cm Sam Hillborne

[Reid Echols]

Proud owner of my first Riv! Mattt shipped promptly and it arrived basically 
overnight (?!). Happy Saturday morning for me. 

Here's what it looks like now:  https://flic.kr/p/UryRAi
 

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[RBW] Compass on tour?

[Rod Holland]

I've been riding my LHT with Snoqualmie Pass Extralights over a gamut of 
terrains, under load, with no flats.

rod

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[RBW] Re: Compass on tour?

[Ash A]

Andy, your review makes me want to get those compass tires despite the fact 
that I have two sets of spare tires I'm yet to try!



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[RBW] Re: Compass on tour?

[Ian Strader]

Do you think running them tubeless would have kept you from flatting?

On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 1:51:41 PM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> I recently did a mixed-surface tour on Vancouver Island on my Atlantis 
> with 44mm Compass tires. Another guy had 42mm Barlow Pass 650B tires. We 
> have five compass flats in 1-2 miles. That was on a very rough and rocky 
> mountain descent. Otherwise we had zero flats for five days. We were riding 
> bikes with two panniers and a handlebar bag each. I'd say that so long as 
> you stay off the mountain bike trails, you should be just fine :)
>
> On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 12:52:43 PM UTC-5, Ryan Thompson wrote:
>>
>> Tim,
>>
>> An another option may be Soma's C-Line (700x38c) or one of their Shikoro 
>> tires which are supple but have some flat protection.  I have the c-lines 
>> on my Cheviot and the Shikoros on my Sam.  I've used both for commuting and 
>> a short three day tour on the C canal trail (surface like the Katy trail) 
>> with no flats.
>>
>> Good luck on your tour.
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>> On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 10:21:48 AM UTC-4, Tim wrote:
>>>
>>> So, I absolutely love my Compass Barlow Pass extra light, 700x38s on my 
>>> Hilsen. I've been riding them for 2-2 1/2 years. I'm planning on riding 
>>> from KC to Phoenix in a couple of weeks. I'll be on pavement. I'm around 
>>> 230-235 lbs (30 lbs too heavy currently) and I'll have some gear since I'll 
>>> be camping some, with hotels a couple nights per week. No cooking gear. 
>>> I'll try to keep my load down to 25-30 lbs. I know many people would never 
>>> tour with such a "fragile" tire, but I don't want to give them up. I would 
>>> definitely carry an extra tire (along with the usual tubes, patches, etc.) 
>>> because I had to abandon PBP after 1000K due to a sidewall cut (I found out 
>>> that tire boots simply will not hold a Compass tire. I used 2 boots and 
>>> paper money to boot it but still had 7 flats over around 100K), so I 
>>> wouldn't make that mistake again. I don't plan on any gravel but wouldn't 
>>> be afraid of some short sections and even an intentional jaunt or two 
>>> (although I've yet to develop much of an affinity for gravel.) Ok, so, 
>>> what's the group consensus? Compass for a fat guy on tour or not? Thanks!
>>
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Re: [RBW] FS: Tubus Tara + mounts; Nitto 32F mini-rack; XT 10-spd RD-M773; Surly Seatpost Clamp 30mm; Problem Solvers Direct Mount Adapter

[Bob K.]

Pictures: https://flic.kr/s/aHskUhwf96

And here's what's left:

>
> *Nitto 32F Mini-Rack*--*$110 shipped/OBO*--I bought this with my Sam in 
> 2009, but it's only been (off and) on my bike for the past year or so. It's 
> the model with the front tab. Great shape. Riv sells them for $140. 
>
> *Tubus Tara (silver) + Tubus LM-1 fork mount adapters*--*$80 shipped*--I 
> bought this setup a year ago. I used it on a couple of short tours. There 
> is some wear on the rails, a bit more than I previously thought. I guess 
> the powder coat is pretty thin. Anyway, highly functional. New price based 
> on wear.
>
> *XT RD-M773 (long cage)*--*$35 shipped/OBO*--I bought this from a list 
> member a few weeks back for my new Troll, but I decided to go a different 
> direction. Slight wear from (I assume) installing/uninstalling the rear 
> wheel.
>
> *Surly Stainless (black) seatpost clamp, 30mm clamp diameter*--*$17 
> shipped OBO*--This came with my Troll. It's new. I replaced it with a 
> gold one because gold is pretty.  Save a few bucks off retail ($20 shipped) 
> and help me fund the rack.
>

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Re: [RBW] FS again

[Andrew Huston]

I picked up a Joe and would love a Brompton to have for trips where I can't 
take the Joe. I feel that I can get what I need from the JA for most 
circumstances and what I can't, the Brompton. I've become quickly enamored with 
that little sucker. You will not find a cleaner 'beam. 

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[RBW] Re: Guidonette levers on Choco?

[Eric Karnes]

I've had the same experience with them on porteur bars. Very little power 
and the sit very low down from the handlebars. So unless you have very long 
fingers, they are pretty hard to reach...

I really wanted to like them, but they just didn't work for me.

Eric

On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 6:40:56 PM UTC-4, Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>
> I have used them on some porteur handlebars, which are kind of like 
> narrower Choco bars. I personally wouldn't recommend using them. Heavy 
> braking is difficult from the ends. Because of the leverage you have on the 
> ends of the levers in an emergency stop, they may rotate on the bars, no 
> matter how tightly you've mounted them on the bars. Ask me how I know!
>
> Eamon
>
> On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 7:54:29 PM UTC-7, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>>
>> Has anyone tried the Dia Compe guidonette levers on the Chocobar?
>>
>> -Justin 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] FS again

[Bob Lovejoy]

I believe this was in the original post...

https://saginaw.craigslist.org/bik/6081708623.html


On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 6:57:18 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> What are you selling?
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Tires for Sam

[Broccoli Cog]

I actually have a set of Clement Strada LGG in the 32 mm variety in my 
collection. I told you I have a problem! Actually I am hoping the JBs are a 
little plumber as they should measure a true 33. I think the Clements are 
closer to 31 but I don't know for sure. 

On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 7:30:54 PM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>
> Brewster, you are prolly aware that Clement has a 32mm road tire the LGG, 
> but there it is in case not. Panaracer also makes the Gravel King smooth 
> tread in a 32, not be confused with SK version which does not. Their names 
> a descriptions are very irregular to say the least !  
>
> If you ever want some inexpensive tires for under 20 buckos consider 
> Performance bike shops Metro K tires. They are steel bead but I swear to 
> goodness they ride really nice regardless of the price. They measure 
> 33-34mm on Mavic A719 rims. I run them at 40-50 psi. In this case you get 
> more than you pay for.
>

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Re: [RBW] FS again

[Patrick Moore]

What are you selling?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Which Compass tires for a Sam Hillborne riden on pavement

[Patrick Moore]

Well, he discounted air drag from fatter tires; but I think I find that
fatter, and taller too, tires slow me down in a strong headwind compared to
28s or 32s.

And big fat 29er knobbies definitely have more wind drag in headwinds!

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 5:48 PM, John Stowe  wrote:

> Jan's testing method involves actually riding down a road, so air
> resistance should play into his results - at least at testing speeds (wind
> drag rises with the square of velocity) - which is another reason to trust
> his results more than those from a smooth, stationary roller.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Which Compass tires for a Sam Hillborne riden on pavement

[John Stowe]

Jan's testing method involves actually riding down a road, so air resistance 
should play into his results - at least at testing speeds (wind drag rises with 
the square of velocity) - which is another reason to trust his results more 
than those from a smooth, stationary roller.

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[RBW] FS again

[Andrew Huston]

Any interest in frame, fork , wheels?

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[RBW] Re: Tires for Sam

[Garth]

Brewster, you are prolly aware that Clement has a 32mm road tire the LGG, but 
there it is in case not. Panaracer also makes the Gravel King smooth tread in a 
32, not be confused with SK version which does not. Their names a descriptions 
are very irregular to say the least !  

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Performance bike shops Metro K tires. They are steel bead but I swear to 
goodness they ride really nice regardless of the price. They measure 33-34mm on 
Mavic A719 rims. I run them at 40-50 psi. In this case you get more than you 
pay for.

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: 60cm Quickbeam on eBay

[Eric Daume]

I just want to say that this post has some of the best quality, clearest
photos I've seen in a long time.

Not my size, though!

Eric
Plain City, OH

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 12:25 PM, Neil  wrote:

> Hey all, I'm the one selling this bike for a friend of mine. Feel free to
> contact me directly if you would like to deal peer-to-peer for a better
> deal. eBay takes considerable fees so the bike is priced to absorb that
> ~$150 hit in fees. Still, the deal is very fair considering how nicely the
> bike is put together with some high end parts. It rides just perfect!
>
> Mr. Eddie Flayer-- the bike isn't rusty but some of the bolts holding the
> fenders on are. I don't think your comment is very kind.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Neil
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 8:44:00 AM UTC-4, Belopsky wrote:
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/rivendell-quickbeam-singlespeed-
>> bicycle-60-cm-nitto-phil-wood-honjo-brooks-/391772091525
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[RBW] Re: "Modern" Components on a Riv?

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Just to clarify, that is a photo that RBW posted up some time ago.  I 
believe it was (or maybe still is) their 54cm Demo.  If I had a 
Hunqapillar, it wouldn't be set up much different than that.  





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>
> Hey y'all, 
>
> Since I've decided to rebuild my Sam I've been looking for some 
> inspiration. I saw Roman's Sam in staff bikes with a Sram crankset, and am 
> considering trying a full Sram 1x setup. Do any of you have experience with 
> builds like this? I don't suspect that I'll run into any issues, but would 
> love some feedback.
>
> Thanks, 
>
> Will Ashe
>
> LA-->ATX
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[RBW] Re: Guidonette levers on Choco?

['Eamon Nordquist' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I have used them on some porteur handlebars, which are kind of like 
narrower Choco bars. I personally wouldn't recommend using them. Heavy 
braking is difficult from the ends. Because of the leverage you have on the 
ends of the levers in an emergency stop, they may rotate on the bars, no 
matter how tightly you've mounted them on the bars. Ask me how I know!

Eamon

On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 7:54:29 PM UTC-7, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>
> Has anyone tried the Dia Compe guidonette levers on the Chocobar?
>
> -Justin 
>

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[RBW] Re: Tires for Sam

[Broccoli Cog]

Thanks for the feedback Jon. Those are some great looking bikes! It's kind 
of funny how we talk about 33 mm tires as being narrow.  

On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 2:21:31 PM UTC-4, jtallman wrote:
>
> Tim,
> I have 2 Sam Hillbornes, the first one being an orange 56 cm canti brake 
> version that I bought in the summer of 2009. I have tried several different 
> tires on it over the years, including a set of Jack Browns. I have also 
> found that I enjoy the ride of the Sam more with narrower tires. Four years 
> ago I built up a pair of 27 inch wheels from some spare rims I had and put 
> them on my Sam along with some 27 x 1 1/4 Paselas. I have rarely had 700c 
> tires on it since then.
>
> https://flic.kr/p/fQisoc
>
> I have a blue 55 cm Sam that I bought just over 2 years ago and it has 
> only had a 27 inch wheelset with SwiftTire SandCanyon tires from Loose 
> Screws. You can get them from Amazon.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Panaracer-SwiftTire-inch-Folding-Tire/dp/B01DLN93L4
>
> Blue Sam here: https://flic.kr/p/GpM8Nv
>
> Not suggesting that you should abandon your wheelset, but letting you know 
> your not completely alone in preferring "narrower" tires on a Sam!
>
> Jon Tallman
>
> On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 7:17:00 PM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>>
>> I have been fusing with different tires on my Sam every since I purchased 
>> it late last summer. I thought I wanted to go as wide as possible and have 
>> the ability to ride on multi surfaces. The reality is that 95% of my riding 
>> time on the Sam is on the road. I also have P45 fenders mounted which left 
>> very little clearance for the 40 mm tires. Some of you may recall me 
>> wrestling with the fenders. I decided to try riding the bike with 33mm 
>> tires on it. I had a pair of Clement LAS file treads in my basement so I 
>> decided to give them a try. Although not an absolute, in my opinion a 33mm 
>> tire or something in that range seems to be the sweet spot for the Sam. 
>> When I rode it this morning it was noticeably more nimble. Another big plus 
>> for me is that they easily cleared the fenders. I had been thinking about 
>> buying a set of Compass Barlow Pass tires but my experience with the 33's 
>> had be second guessing. Since the Compass tires have yet to arrive on our 
>> shores I decided to look elsewhere. I was able to find a guy on another 
>> forum selling a set of Jack Brown Blue's that he mounted but never ending 
>> up riding. I picked them up for a good price so I am pretty excited to try 
>> them. I'll report back once I have spent some time riding on them. 
>>
>> Tim 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Tires for Sam

[Broccoli Cog]

Good point. A bad habit of mine is this constant case of upgrade-itis. One 
of the Clements is worn but I could have just purchased one as a 
replacement and put the one with the good tread on the front. Oh well, I 
had my heart set on trying more of a smooth tread version found on the JB's 
as compared to the knobby corners the the file treads provide.  

On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 6:06:42 AM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>
> Why not just keep riding the Clement tires ?  I mean hey, if it ain't 
> broke...
>
> As you found out, wider is not necessarily "better", it's just wider but 
> it doesn't necessarily mean better or worse.
>
> I myself have not drunk the "Compass kool-aid" and prolly never will. 
> Everyone has their own preferences and the ability to express it however 
> that may be, it is our nature to do so. 
>
>  
>
>

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Re: [RBW] 2017 RAGBRAI

[Dale Click]

Hi Tim,

I remember that we didn’t get to ride in 2015 due to my groups timeline.  Let’s 
try to work up some overlaps this year!

Rusty
> On May 2, 2017, at 5:53 PM, Tim Gavin  wrote:
> 
> I live in Iowa and I intend to do the entire week.  But, I'm recovering from 
> ACL replacement surgery, so I may only ride 20 miles each day and drive the 
> rest.
> 
> Our plan is to get one car load of riders and rotate the driving duties.
> 
> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 4:47 PM, Rusty Click  > wrote:
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Re: [RBW] 2017 RAGBRAI

[Tim Gavin]

I live in Iowa and I intend to do the entire week.  But, I'm recovering
from ACL replacement surgery, so I may only ride 20 miles each day and
drive the rest.

Our plan is to get one car load of riders and rotate the driving duties.

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[RBW] 2017 RAGBRAI

[Rusty Click]

Any Riv listers heading to Iowa for this years RAGBRAI?  If so, drop me a 
line.   Robert, are you still out there?

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[RBW] Re: Hub Area Rack, with non-Riv bags...can I?

[Rusty Click]

Hi Neil,

I use the Ortleib Sport Packer Plus front bags without a problem.   They 
are very adjustable.   I have also been known to hang a Stone Cold 
insulated "beverage" bag on the HAR.
My only complaint isn't with the bags, but with the version of the HAR 
itself.  I have the "non-loop", early version, and I believe the loop has 
to make the setup stiffer.  Although, I haven't had any problems with a 
moderate load.

Rusty
Pgh, PA

On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 5:24:40 PM UTC-4, Neil Doran wrote:
>
> I'm back to adding front bags to my Sam. I searched, but did not find info 
> on whether the HAR will accept non-Riv bags, such as Lone Peak or Swift.
>
> I understand Ortleib will work, and saw the thread about adding their 
> mounting hardware to Riv bags, but not interested in that solution.
>
> Anybody with first-hand knowledge of fitting non-Riv bags to the HAR?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Neil
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[RBW] Hub Area Rack, with non-Riv bags...can I?

[Neil Doran]

I'm back to adding front bags to my Sam. I searched, but did not find info 
on whether the HAR will accept non-Riv bags, such as Lone Peak or Swift.

I understand Ortleib will work, and saw the thread about adding their 
mounting hardware to Riv bags, but not interested in that solution.

Anybody with first-hand knowledge of fitting non-Riv bags to the HAR?

Thanks,

Neil

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Re: [Ext] Re: [RBW] Re: FS -- Rivendell Wilbury 59cm complete bike -- UNIQUE BUILD -- $3200

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Nice pic!

But the wooden rims actually serve their function well -- in contrast, I 
suspect (though I have no personal knowledge) to the carbide lamp!

Sent from my iPhone

On May 2, 2017, at 5:01 PM, Steve Palincsar 
> wrote:



On 05/02/2017 04:54 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
I just noticed the rims -- very appealing, though I hear they require yearly 
upkeep, like your old station hack.

The author, Tim Moore, of the very entertaining "Gironimo: Riding the Very 
Terrible 1914 Tour of Italy", used NOS wooden rims on his period Pro bike, and 
made his own brake pads out of wine bottle corks. Note that the rims didn't 
give him problems, though many other components did.

I think wood rims would be very appealing on disc wheels.

as would a carbide headlamp for night operation along with a rear LED blinkie

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS -- Rivendell Wilbury 59cm complete bike -- UNIQUE BUILD -- $3200

[Steve Palincsar]

On 05/02/2017 04:54 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
I just noticed the rims -- very appealing, though I hear they require 
yearly upkeep, like your old station hack.


The author, Tim Moore, of the very entertaining "Gironimo: Riding the 
Very Terrible 1914 Tour of Italy", used NOS wooden rims on his period 
Pro bike, and made his own brake pads out of wine bottle corks. Note 
that the rims didn't give him problems, though many other components did.


I think wood rims would be very appealing on disc wheels.


as would a carbide headlamp for night operation along with a rear LED 
blinkie


Image result for carbide bicycle headlamp

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS -- Rivendell Wilbury 59cm complete bike -- UNIQUE BUILD -- $3200

[Patrick Moore]

I just noticed the rims -- very appealing, though I hear they require
yearly upkeep, like your old station hack.

The author, Tim Moore, of the very entertaining "Gironimo: Riding the Very
Terrible 1914 Tour of Italy", used NOS wooden rims on his period Pro bike,
and made his own brake pads out of wine bottle corks. Note that the rims
didn't give him problems, though many other components did.

I think wood rims would be very appealing on disc wheels.

Patrick Moore, who once really did briefly entertain the thought of buying
a pair of wooden rims when Gnashbar remaindered their stock 20+ years ago.

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 12:26 PM, Minh  wrote:

> Tom,
>
> I think most of us would say this is a beautiful build, but it's also
> quintessentially Pudge :)
>
> I love the wood rims, but don't need a show bike so those actually scare
> me to death!
>
> You should get a little more interest if you separate it out.
>
> On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 2:19:50 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:
>>
>> OK, sound of crickets since I posted this suggests either (a) the bike is
>> of no interest to list members as built, or (b) the price is way too high.
>>
>> As to the former -- functionally, this bike is like a nearly new,
>> super-fancy step through Quickbeam.  It's not for mountainous areas, true,
>> but single speeds are FUN in appropriate areas.  It's a great bike.
>>
>> As to the latter problem, PLEASE feel free to make offers, including
>> aggressive offers or offers for less than the complete build -- I'd love to
>> find a list member who would give this bike the use it deserves.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 30, 2017, at 4:23 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner) <
>> thomas.a...@skadden.com> wrote:
>>
>> *Warning: Long email, but the subject line and next paragraph basically
>> say it all.*
>>
>>
>>
>> OK, folks, the time has come once again to cull some bikes. First up is
>> my essentially new 59 cm Hunter Green Rivendell Wilbury.  Here's a pic:
>> https://flic.kr/p/H2Zb8R  There are many others, including a lot of
>> detail images, in this album:
>>
>> https://flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/sets/72157631845152497
>> 
>>
>>
>> I would prefer to sell this as a complete bike, and to provide some
>> incentive, I've set the asking price pretty low, compared to the actual and
>> replacement cost of the gorgeous frame and beautiful (and unusual, in some
>> cases unique) components.  I'm biased, of course, but I think any buyer who
>> appreciates this kind of bike will be thrilled with this unique example.
>>
>> I bought the frame/fork new from College Park Bicycles in Maryland -- it
>> was in the owner's private stash.  As list members know, a frame like this
>> can now only be obtained by ordering a custom from Rivendell, at about
>> $3,500 for the frameset alone.  This build has about 10 miles on it -- no
>> dings or scratches on the frame that I can find anywhere.
>>
>>
>>
>> I built this bike up from scratch.  It is an unusual, even quirky, build
>> -- a single speed drive train, with hand-built wheels using Italian wooden
>> rims.  I intentionally set out to make this bike as pretty as I could, with
>> much attention to every detail, but don't be deceived -- it is supremely
>> comfortable, and great fun to jump on and ride.  Here is a full parts
>> list.  Except as noted, all parts are NOS.
>>
>>
>>
>> Frame/fork/headset
>>
>> Rivendell Wilbury 59cm
>>
>> Bottom bracket
>>
>> Shimano
>>
>> Wheelset
>>
>> Front hub
>>
>> Peter Weigle-modified vintage Campagnolo
>>
>> Front rim
>>
>> Ghisallo Wooden
>>
>> 36 hole
>>
>> Spokes
>>
>> Wheelsmith
>>
>> Rear hub
>>
>> White Industries ENO Eccentric
>>
>> Rear rim
>>
>> Ghisallo Wooden
>>
>> 36 hole
>>
>> Rear spokes
>>
>> Wheelsmith
>>
>> Tires
>>
>> Grand Bois Hetres
>>
>> Red
>>
>> Freewheel
>>
>> White Industries ENO
>>
>> Chain
>>
>> Wipperman stainless
>>
>> Crankset
>>
>> Peter Weigle-modified vintage Stronglight (I think it's a 49D?)
>>
>> Pedals
>>
>> MKS rubber block, w/ red rubber blocks subbed in to match the Hetres
>>
>> Seatpost
>>
>> Nitto Lugged Post
>>
>> Saddle
>>
>> Brooks B-17 Special (hand-hammered copper rivets)
>>
>> Stem
>>
>> Nitto Lugged Stem
>>
>> Handlebars
>>
>> Nitto Albatross
>>
>> Grips
>>
>> Rivendell Cork, shellacked
>>
>> Brake levers
>>
>> Tektro vintage-style
>>
>> Brakes
>>
>> VO Grand Cru centerpulls
>>
>> Straddle cable hangers
>>
>> Herse-style from Compass Cycles
>>
>> Front bag
>>
>> Tubular custom plaid bag from Eric Hjeltness
>>
>> Rear bag
>>
>> Lunch-bag style plaid bag from Eric Hjeltness
>>
>>
>>
>> Also included is a beautiful leather wrapped thermos flask from Beg
>> Bicycles in the UK, which fits the Nitto bottle cage perfectly, and matches
>> the saddle.
>>
>>
>> Some pertinent measurements:
>>
>>
>>
>> Seat tube 60cm
>>
>> Virtual top tube 

[RBW] Re: Compass on tour?

[Mark Reimer]

I recently did a mixed-surface tour on Vancouver Island on my Atlantis with 
44mm Compass tires. Another guy had 42mm Barlow Pass 650B tires. We have 
five compass flats in 1-2 miles. That was on a very rough and rocky 
mountain descent. Otherwise we had zero flats for five days. We were riding 
bikes with two panniers and a handlebar bag each. I'd say that so long as 
you stay off the mountain bike trails, you should be just fine :)

On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 12:52:43 PM UTC-5, Ryan Thompson wrote:
>
> Tim,
>
> An another option may be Soma's C-Line (700x38c) or one of their Shikoro 
> tires which are supple but have some flat protection.  I have the c-lines 
> on my Cheviot and the Shikoros on my Sam.  I've used both for commuting and 
> a short three day tour on the C canal trail (surface like the Katy trail) 
> with no flats.
>
> Good luck on your tour.
>
> Ryan
>
> On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 10:21:48 AM UTC-4, Tim wrote:
>>
>> So, I absolutely love my Compass Barlow Pass extra light, 700x38s on my 
>> Hilsen. I've been riding them for 2-2 1/2 years. I'm planning on riding 
>> from KC to Phoenix in a couple of weeks. I'll be on pavement. I'm around 
>> 230-235 lbs (30 lbs too heavy currently) and I'll have some gear since I'll 
>> be camping some, with hotels a couple nights per week. No cooking gear. 
>> I'll try to keep my load down to 25-30 lbs. I know many people would never 
>> tour with such a "fragile" tire, but I don't want to give them up. I would 
>> definitely carry an extra tire (along with the usual tubes, patches, etc.) 
>> because I had to abandon PBP after 1000K due to a sidewall cut (I found out 
>> that tire boots simply will not hold a Compass tire. I used 2 boots and 
>> paper money to boot it but still had 7 flats over around 100K), so I 
>> wouldn't make that mistake again. I don't plan on any gravel but wouldn't 
>> be afraid of some short sections and even an intentional jaunt or two 
>> (although I've yet to develop much of an affinity for gravel.) Ok, so, 
>> what's the group consensus? Compass for a fat guy on tour or not? Thanks!
>
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[RBW] Re: Shop Sack Durability

[Mark Reimer]

My medium Green is three years old and holding up great. I have one hole in 
it after the bag flew out of my basket and hit the concrete with a bunch of 
heavy stuff inside. Can't blame the bad on that one :)

On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 3:26:27 PM UTC-5, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> I'm going on 3 years I think with my green medium... Couple holes along 
> the center bottom stitching and definitely wear and 'beusauge' but I've 
> been delighted with the simplicity and robustness of mine. 7 months to 
> first hole send a bit fast but obviously every bag sees much different 
> environments.  

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Re: FS -- Rivendell Wilbury 59cm complete bike -- UNIQUE BUILD -- $3200

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Happy to pay reasonable license fees, in light of demonstrated efficacy of the 
concept!

Sent from my iPhone

On May 2, 2017, at 4:29 PM, Bill Lindsay 
> wrote:

"Bill Lindsay Approach" is a registered trademark.  WINK!

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 12:26:26 PM UTC-7, Pudge wrote:
Maybe I should try the Bill Lindsay approach: Provide the list with a menu of a 
half dozen bikes for sale, first three that sell go, and the survivors get kept.

It certainly worked for Bill, but those were some pretty special bikes!

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 2, 2017, at 3:17 PM, Joe Bernard  
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> Eh, I've had a perfectly normal Appaloosa here for weeks with only one person 
> showing interest (they didn't buy). Sometimes it just takes time for a Riv to 
> sell.
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Re: [RBW] Re: looking for a recent post on brake clearance

[Jim Bronson]

Fantastic photos, thanks Andy!

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 7:31 AM, ascpgh  wrote:

> So true. I had fender rattling and buzz against the resting position of
> the Shimano "longer reach" brake arms on my Rambouillet when my original
> hammered  Honjos and Conti Gatorskin 28s I would tighten up the brakes,
> partially activating them to get better clearance:
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
> It became more than occasional after being banged into from the rear,
> upsetting the perfect arc necessary. I fixed several things with Paul
> Racers, Stampede Pass ELs and a wider/longer set of hammered Honjos. Now it
> is actually the frame bridge and the fork crown that are the clearance
> points despite bigger tires and fenders (sorry for the quality, I flashed
> to get the frame color of the bridge under there):
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
> Good braking, quiet fenders keeping me clean & dry, and a lovely smooth
> ride. Just in time for spring rains.
>
>
> Andy Cheatham
>
> Pittsburgh
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 6:24:46 PM UTC-4, eflayer wrote:
>>
>> yes, on my Salsa Casseroll shod with earlier Shimano BR long reach front
>> brake, a 28mm tire would come very close to hitting just underneath the
>> brake. On that same bike with Race M installed, the clearance was quite a
>> bit bigger and no issue with 28mm Conti 4000 on Velocity A23.
>>
>> On Sunday, April 30, 2017 at 11:59:22 AM UTC-7, reynoldslugs wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear list:
>>>
>>> Someone on this list, or perhaps the iBob list, posted a link to a page
>>> comparing the clearance for different caliper sets in the 47-57 range
>>> (e.g., Tektro R539's and TRP RG957 long-reach, Shimano long reach).
>>>
>>> The web site had a set of very helpful photos, illustrating that some of
>>> the caliper sets had more clearance under the caliper (above the tire).
>>>
>>> I'm trying to get a little more clearance below the caliper for the
>>> tires on my Della Santa... so if anyone can refer me to the link, many
>>> thanks.
>>>
>>> (I searched archives, couldn't find the link).
>>>
>>> I'll cross post to the Bob list, apologies to all.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Max Beach
>>>
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[RBW] Re: PSA: Coffee Outside Bay Area

[Kellie]

This Sat. 5/6, at *8AM*, our regular spot in Marina Bay. Don't forget, *EIGHT 
AM*. We're checking to see if a time change will allow others to join us. 
So BYOM (bring your own mug) with treats to trade for coffee if you don't 
have a brew kit and I hope to see some of you there. About 4.5 miles from 
El Cerrito Plaza BART, mostly of the SF Bay Trail. Info @coffeeoutsideba

On Sunday, February 19, 2017 at 12:01:27 PM UTC-8, Kellie wrote:
>
> *Chasing Mailboxes* has "Coffee Friday," @foundinthemountains (Vancouver) 
> has #coffeeoutsideyvc. Now there's *Coffee Outside Bay Area *(SF): first 
> meet-up is Sat. March 3, 7AM west side of Marina Park on the SF Bay Trail, 
> near Salute Restaurant, Marina Bay. Bring your coffee making set-up (or 
> thermos), share the sunrise , be with like-minded people . Only 4.5 
> miles from the El Cerrito  Plaza BART-you can ride the SF Bay Trail most of 
> the way. More info @coyboygrrl (Instagram).
>
>
>
> 
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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Re: FS -- Rivendell Wilbury 59cm complete bike -- UNIQUE BUILD -- $3200

[Bill Lindsay]

"Bill Lindsay Approach" is a registered trademark.  WINK!

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA  

On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 12:26:26 PM UTC-7, Pudge wrote:
>
> Maybe I should try the Bill Lindsay approach: Provide the list with a menu 
> of a half dozen bikes for sale, first three that sell go, and the survivors 
> get kept. 
>
> It certainly worked for Bill, but those were some pretty special bikes! 
>
> Sent from my iPhone 
>
> > On May 2, 2017, at 3:17 PM, Joe Bernard  
> wrote: 
> > 
> > Eh, I've had a perfectly normal Appaloosa here for weeks with only one 
> person showing interest (they didn't buy). Sometimes it just takes time for 
> a Riv to sell. 
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[RBW] Re: PSA: 60cm Quickbeam on eBay

[eflayer]

as Neil Young would say "rust never sleeps."

On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 5:44:00 AM UTC-7, Belopsky wrote:
>
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/rivendell-quickbeam-singlespeed-bicycle-60-cm-nitto-phil-wood-honjo-brooks-/391772091525
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[RBW] Re: Shop Sack Durability

[Tony DeFilippo]

I'm going on 3 years I think with my green medium... Couple holes along the 
center bottom stitching and definitely wear and 'beusauge' but I've been 
delighted with the simplicity and robustness of mine. 7 months to first hole 
send a bit fast but obviously every bag sees much different environments.  

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Re: [RBW] Guidonette levers on Choco?

[Justin August]

I would love to see pictures if you have them.

-J

On May 2, 2017, 1:18 PM -0700, WETH , wrote:
> Justin,
> I have them on albatross bars not Choco. https://flic.kr/p/MX1Vwv
> I like how they follow the curb of the bar so I can reach the brakes quickly 
> from several hand positions. However, the levers flex too much when you 
> squeeze them toward the ends. Only confident stopping power for me comes from 
> braking where the lever enters the bracket. I feel ambivalent about the 
> performance.
> Let me know if you want more photos.
> Best wishes,
> Erl
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[RBW] Guidonette levers on Choco?

[WETH]

Justin,
I have them on albatross bars not Choco. https://flic.kr/p/MX1Vwv
I like how they follow the curb of the bar so I can reach the brakes quickly 
from several hand positions.  However, the levers flex too much when you 
squeeze them toward the ends.  Only confident stopping power for me comes from 
braking where the lever enters the bracket.  I feel ambivalent about the 
performance. 
Let me know if you want more photos.
Best wishes,
Erl

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Re: FS -- Rivendell Wilbury 59cm complete bike -- UNIQUE BUILD -- $3200

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Well let me add a different point of view.  I think that the bike is 
stunning and the components very inviting and I don't at all think that 
$3200 is out of line for the bike.  Take a gander into your typical local 
bike shop that carries Specialized or Treks and see what their price tags 
are for some of the carbon bikes.  I understand not comparing apples to 
apples but that is kind of my point.  Just saying what you are getting for 
your money is solid on Pudge's bike, IMO.  Pudge, if the bike had been my 
size I would have bought it several months back when I was trolling for a 
mixte.  (I'm on the list now for the mountain mixte).  Good luck with your 
sale.  Someone should be very happy.

On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 3:26:26 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:
>
> Maybe I should try the Bill Lindsay approach: Provide the list with a menu 
> of a half dozen bikes for sale, first three that sell go, and the survivors 
> get kept. 
>
> It certainly worked for Bill, but those were some pretty special bikes! 
>
> Sent from my iPhone 
>
> > On May 2, 2017, at 3:17 PM, Joe Bernard  
> wrote: 
> > 
> > Eh, I've had a perfectly normal Appaloosa here for weeks with only one 
> person showing interest (they didn't buy). Sometimes it just takes time for 
> a Riv to sell. 
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[RBW] WTT Choco for Albatross Alu

[Stuart Lovinggood]

Sorry to spam the list with errant WTT posts but I had great success with 
my last one. I have a set of Choco Norm bars (heat-treated aluminum, 55cm, 
25.4 clamp area) that came with my Appaloosa. I prefer the look and 
slightly less sweepy sweep of the Albatross – and the Choco comes back just 
a wee bit too much for me. I swapped the whole setup for Bullmoose bars but 
now that the Chocos are on my MB-5, I realize I enjoy the relative hand 
position more. 

The bars are near new but have a small surface scratch under the grip from 
some stubborn ESI grips. Not super picky about the Albatross bars 
condition. 

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Re: FS -- Rivendell Wilbury 59cm complete bike -- UNIQUE BUILD -- $3200

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Maybe I should try the Bill Lindsay approach: Provide the list with a menu of a 
half dozen bikes for sale, first three that sell go, and the survivors get kept.

It certainly worked for Bill, but those were some pretty special bikes!

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 2, 2017, at 3:17 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
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> sell.
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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Re: FS -- Rivendell Wilbury 59cm complete bike -- UNIQUE BUILD -- $3200

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Drew:

Your diagnosis is doubtless correct -- thanks for the clear-eyed assessment.  
I'm certainly not immune to a spot of self-delusion!

Here's an alternative offer to the list:  frame/fork/headset/bb + brakes + 
cockpit (stem, bars, grips and levers) for $1950 plus actual shipping?

Or make an offer for what you want, folks

Tom

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> On May 2, 2017, at 3:06 PM, drew  wrote:
>
> Beautiful bike. I keep thinking I should buy a Wilbury or some riv step 
> through and just hold on to it for when I can't lift my legs.
>
> I do think it's gonna be hard to sell this way. Super high end, yet unique 
> and enigmatic parts either means you're gonna have to find someone with a lot 
> of extra money, or someone who has your exact taste and wants a bike to be 
> exactly what you wanted this one to be.
>
> I'm in no position on any front to let another bike into my life, but if I 
> was, a green mixte would up there on the list.
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[RBW] Re: FS -- Rivendell Wilbury 59cm complete bike -- UNIQUE BUILD -- $3200

[Joe Bernard]

Eh, I've had a perfectly normal Appaloosa here for weeks with only one person 
showing interest (they didn't buy). Sometimes it just takes time for a Riv to 
sell. 

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Re: FS -- Rivendell Wilbury 59cm complete bike -- UNIQUE BUILD -- $3200

[drew]

Beautiful bike. I keep thinking I should buy a Wilbury or some riv step through 
and just hold on to it for when I can't lift my legs. 

I do think it's gonna be hard to sell this way. Super high end, yet unique and 
enigmatic parts either means you're gonna have to find someone with a lot of 
extra money, or someone who has your exact taste and wants a bike to be exactly 
what you wanted this one to be.

I'm in no position on any front to let another bike into my life, but if I was, 
a green mixte would up there on the list. 

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Re: FS -- Rivendell Wilbury 59cm complete bike -- UNIQUE BUILD -- $3200

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Minh:

I know I should part it out for max value, but I just find it hard to break it 
up. Why do the wood rims scare you?   Bikes had wood rims for many decades.  
They ride great, stop fine, and look fantastic.  And they're quite sturdy.

Anyway, I hope the invitation to make offers for less than the whole package 
will generate some activity.

Tom

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On May 2, 2017, at 2:26 PM, Minh 
> wrote:

Tom,

I think most of us would say this is a beautiful build, but it's also 
quintessentially Pudge :)

I love the wood rims, but don't need a show bike so those actually scare me to 
death!

You should get a little more interest if you separate it out.

On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 2:19:50 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:
OK, sound of crickets since I posted this suggests either (a) the bike is of no 
interest to list members as built, or (b) the price is way too high.

As to the former -- functionally, this bike is like a nearly new, super-fancy 
step through Quickbeam.  It's not for mountainous areas, true, but single 
speeds are FUN in appropriate areas.  It's a great bike.

As to the latter problem, PLEASE feel free to make offers, including aggressive 
offers or offers for less than the complete build -- I'd love to find a list 
member who would give this bike the use it deserves.



Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 30, 2017, at 4:23 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner) 
 wrote:

Warning: Long email, but the subject line and next paragraph basically say it 
all.

OK, folks, the time has come once again to cull some bikes. First up is my 
essentially new 59 cm Hunter Green Rivendell Wilbury.  Here's a pic:  
https://flic.kr/p/H2Zb8R  There are many others, including a lot of detail 
images, in this album:
https://flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/sets/72157631845152497

I would prefer to sell this as a complete bike, and to provide some incentive, 
I've set the asking price pretty low, compared to the actual and replacement 
cost of the gorgeous frame and beautiful (and unusual, in some cases unique) 
components.  I'm biased, of course, but I think any buyer who appreciates this 
kind of bike will be thrilled with this unique example.

I bought the frame/fork new from College Park Bicycles in Maryland -- it was in 
the owner's private stash.  As list members know, a frame like this can now 
only be obtained by ordering a custom from Rivendell, at about $3,500 for the 
frameset alone.  This build has about 10 miles on it -- no dings or scratches 
on the frame that I can find anywhere.

I built this bike up from scratch.  It is an unusual, even quirky, build -- a 
single speed drive train, with hand-built wheels using Italian wooden rims.  I 
intentionally set out to make this bike as pretty as I could, with much 
attention to every detail, but don't be deceived -- it is supremely 
comfortable, and great fun to jump on and ride.  Here is a full parts list.  
Except as noted, all parts are NOS.

Frame/fork/headset

Rivendell Wilbury 59cm

Bottom bracket

Shimano

Wheelset


Front hub

Peter Weigle-modified vintage Campagnolo


Front rim

Ghisallo Wooden

36 hole


Spokes

Wheelsmith


Rear hub

White Industries ENO Eccentric


Rear rim

Ghisallo Wooden

36 hole


Rear spokes

Wheelsmith

Tires

Grand Bois Hetres

Red

Freewheel

White Industries ENO

Chain

Wipperman stainless

Crankset

Peter Weigle-modified vintage Stronglight (I think it's a 49D?)

Pedals

MKS rubber block, w/ red rubber blocks subbed in to match the Hetres

Seatpost

Nitto Lugged Post

Saddle

Brooks B-17 Special (hand-hammered copper rivets)

Stem

Nitto Lugged Stem

Handlebars

Nitto Albatross

Grips

Rivendell Cork, shellacked

Brake levers

Tektro vintage-style

Brakes

VO Grand Cru centerpulls

Straddle cable hangers

Herse-style from Compass Cycles

Front bag

Tubular custom plaid bag from Eric Hjeltness

Rear bag

Lunch-bag style plaid bag from Eric Hjeltness


Also included is a beautiful leather wrapped thermos flask from Beg Bicycles in 
the UK, which fits the Nitto bottle cage perfectly, and matches the saddle.

Some pertinent measurements:

Seat tube 60cm
Virtual top tube 59cm
Saddle height as pictured 78cm
Reach (rear of saddle to rear ends of grips) 70cm

I have a PBH of around 87cm, and it fits me like a glove.  Moreover, since it's 
a mixte, the fit is flexible, as standover is not an issue.

I have just about $4,600 invested in this bike, which is essentially brand new. 
 Replacement cost would be an additional $1,700, so around $5,300.  I'm asking 
$3,200.  I'll consider delivery anywhere in the Middle Atlantic states, so if 
you're willing to meet me halfway, no need to ship within a radius of at least 
400 miles of Delaware.  Otherwise, actual shipping cost paid by buyer.

Hit me up if you have 

[RBW] Re: Shop Sack Durability

[Bob Lovejoy]

Tim,

I do not have an answer to your question but I will say there seem to be 
two weights of shop sack...  tan, olive and blue are more robust... brown 
and grey still robust, but possibly less so.

Those notes come at the bottom of Grant's latest blahg:  
https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/peeking-through-the-knothole/assorted-stuff-ive-seen-and-read-recently-not-the-best-or-most-fascinating-just-some-of-it-thats-worth-a-glance

Not much of an answer, sorry.  I do have two shop sacks, a blue and a 
brown, and there is a somewhat detectable difference in weight and 
stiffness to the cloth.

Bob
Almost not raining Galesburg, IL


On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 1:21:15 PM UTC-5, Timothy Orr wrote:
>
> Hey, Y'all 
>
> I've been using my large shop sack nearly every day for the last seven 
> months. I love it. However, one of the corners is forming a hole. I soft of 
> thought it would last forever, but it's not looking good at this rate. 
> Anyone had experiences with durability? Is this normal? 
>
> Thanks! 
> Tim 
> Portland, OR 
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS -- Rivendell Wilbury 59cm complete bike -- UNIQUE BUILD -- $3200

[Minh]

Tom,

I think most of us would say this is a beautiful build, but it's also 
quintessentially Pudge :)

I love the wood rims, but don't need a show bike so those actually scare me 
to death! 

You should get a little more interest if you separate it out.  

On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 2:19:50 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:
>
> OK, sound of crickets since I posted this suggests either (a) the bike is 
> of no interest to list members as built, or (b) the price is way too high.
>
> As to the former -- functionally, this bike is like a nearly new, 
> super-fancy step through Quickbeam.  It's not for mountainous areas, true, 
> but single speeds are FUN in appropriate areas.  It's a great bike. 
>
> As to the latter problem, PLEASE feel free to make offers, including 
> aggressive offers or offers for less than the complete build -- I'd love to 
> find a list member who would give this bike the use it deserves. 
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 30, 2017, at 4:23 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner) <
> thomas.a...@skadden.com > wrote:
>
> *Warning: Long email, but the subject line and next paragraph basically 
> say it all.*
>
>  
>
> OK, folks, the time has come once again to cull some bikes. First up is my 
> essentially new 59 cm Hunter Green Rivendell Wilbury.  Here's a pic:  
> https://flic.kr/p/H2Zb8R  There are many others, including a lot of 
> detail images, in this album: 
>
> https://flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/sets/72157631845152497 
> 
>   
>
> I would prefer to sell this as a complete bike, and to provide some 
> incentive, I've set the asking price pretty low, compared to the actual and 
> replacement cost of the gorgeous frame and beautiful (and unusual, in some 
> cases unique) components.  I'm biased, of course, but I think any buyer who 
> appreciates this kind of bike will be thrilled with this unique example.
>
> I bought the frame/fork new from College Park Bicycles in Maryland -- it 
> was in the owner's private stash.  As list members know, a frame like this 
> can now only be obtained by ordering a custom from Rivendell, at about 
> $3,500 for the frameset alone.  This build has about 10 miles on it -- no 
> dings or scratches on the frame that I can find anywhere.
>
>  
>
> I built this bike up from scratch.  It is an unusual, even quirky, build 
> -- a single speed drive train, with hand-built wheels using Italian wooden 
> rims.  I intentionally set out to make this bike as pretty as I could, with 
> much attention to every detail, but don't be deceived -- it is supremely 
> comfortable, and great fun to jump on and ride.  Here is a full parts 
> list.  Except as noted, all parts are NOS.
>
>  
>
> Frame/fork/headset
>
> Rivendell Wilbury 59cm
>
> Bottom bracket
>
> Shimano
>
> Wheelset
>
> Front hub
>
> Peter Weigle-modified vintage Campagnolo
>
> Front rim
>
> Ghisallo Wooden 
>
> 36 hole
>
> Spokes
>
> Wheelsmith
>
> Rear hub
>
> White Industries ENO Eccentric
>
> Rear rim
>
> Ghisallo Wooden 
>
> 36 hole
>
> Rear spokes
>
> Wheelsmith
>
> Tires
>
> Grand Bois Hetres
>
> Red
>
> Freewheel
>
> White Industries ENO
>
> Chain
>
> Wipperman stainless
>
> Crankset
>
> Peter Weigle-modified vintage Stronglight (I think it's a 49D?)
>
> Pedals
>
> MKS rubber block, w/ red rubber blocks subbed in to match the Hetres
>
> Seatpost
>
> Nitto Lugged Post
>
> Saddle
>
> Brooks B-17 Special (hand-hammered copper rivets)
>
> Stem
>
> Nitto Lugged Stem
>
> Handlebars
>
> Nitto Albatross
>
> Grips
>
> Rivendell Cork, shellacked
>
> Brake levers
>
> Tektro vintage-style
>
> Brakes
>
> VO Grand Cru centerpulls
>
> Straddle cable hangers
>
> Herse-style from Compass Cycles
>
> Front bag
>
> Tubular custom plaid bag from Eric Hjeltness
>
> Rear bag
>
> Lunch-bag style plaid bag from Eric Hjeltness
>
>  
>
> Also included is a beautiful leather wrapped thermos flask from Beg 
> Bicycles in the UK, which fits the Nitto bottle cage perfectly, and matches 
> the saddle.
>
>
> Some pertinent measurements:
>
>  
>
> Seat tube 60cm
>
> Virtual top tube 59cm
>
> Saddle height as pictured 78cm
>
> Reach (rear of saddle to rear ends of grips) 70cm
>
>  
>
> I have a PBH of around 87cm, and it fits me like a glove.  Moreover, since 
> it's a mixte, the fit is flexible, as standover is not an issue.
>
>  
>
> I have just about $4,600 invested in this bike, which is essentially brand 
> new.  Replacement cost would be an additional $1,700, so around $5,300. 
>  I'm asking $3,200.  I'll consider delivery anywhere in the Middle Atlantic 
> states, so if you're willing to meet me halfway, no need to ship within a 
> radius of at least 400 miles of Delaware.  Otherwise, actual shipping 
> cost paid by buyer.
>
>  
>
> Hit me up if you have any questions.  I'm probably going to be posting 
> some other bikes in the next couple of weeks, too.
>
>  
>
> Thanks for 

[RBW] Re: FS: 2007 NEW 56CM GREEN RAMBOUILLET FRAME/FORK (LATE MODEL #RB1100)

['Gunner' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The new Rambouillet frame set is still available. In addition, for the 
asking price I will include the new set of 700C H29 fluted Honjo fender 
with all mounting hardware ($130.00 value) listed in my original post. 
Additional pictures available upon request.

On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 1:26:03 PM UTC-4, Gunner wrote:
>
> *FOR SALE: NEW 2007 56CM. GREEN RAMBOUILLET FRAME/ FORK/ HEADSET/BOTTOM 
> BRACKET. *
>
> I am the original owner. The frame was purchased new in 2007 from 
> Rivendell Bike Works. The frame has never been built up and it is in new 
> condition.  The serial number is (RB1100)  
>
> $1450.00
>
> Buyer will pay actual shipping charges. I will pay to have the frame/fork 
> professionally packed at my local bike shop.
>
> In addition, If interested I would consider selling the following 
> components/parts (new/never installed) originally purchased for this 
> Rambouillet build:
>
> 1. New Dura Ace 7700 series 32/36 9 speed, Mavic 700C MA-3 silver rims, 
> Wheelsmith DB14 spokes (built by Peter White)
>
> 2. (4) Ruffy Tuffy 700C kevlar bead tires
>
>
> 3. Set of Honjo Fenders including all accessories
>
> 4. Set of Shimano R600 Brake Calipers (Dura Ace quality)
>
> Thank you for your consideration
>
> (Additional pictures available upon request)
>
>
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: looking for a recent post on brake clearance

[Mike Godwin]

Brakes I've used that give good clearance are suntour superbe short or nomal 
reach and the diacomp equivalents. Are those gran comp and royal gran comp?
Mike in warm SLO

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 60cm Quickbeam on eBay

[Neil]

Hey all, I'm the one selling this bike for a friend of mine. Feel free to 
contact me directly if you would like to deal peer-to-peer for a better 
deal. eBay takes considerable fees so the bike is priced to absorb that 
~$150 hit in fees. Still, the deal is very fair considering how nicely the 
bike is put together with some high end parts. It rides just perfect!

Mr. Eddie Flayer-- the bike isn't rusty but some of the bolts holding the 
fenders on are. I don't think your comment is very kind. 

Thanks!

-Neil

On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 8:44:00 AM UTC-4, Belopsky wrote:
>
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/rivendell-quickbeam-singlespeed-bicycle-60-cm-nitto-phil-wood-honjo-brooks-/391772091525
>

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[RBW] Re: Tires for Sam

[jtallman]

Tim,
I have 2 Sam Hillbornes, the first one being an orange 56 cm canti brake 
version that I bought in the summer of 2009. I have tried several different 
tires on it over the years, including a set of Jack Browns. I have also 
found that I enjoy the ride of the Sam more with narrower tires. Four years 
ago I built up a pair of 27 inch wheels from some spare rims I had and put 
them on my Sam along with some 27 x 1 1/4 Paselas. I have rarely had 700c 
tires on it since then.

https://flic.kr/p/fQisoc

I have a blue 55 cm Sam that I bought just over 2 years ago and it has only 
had a 27 inch wheelset with SwiftTire SandCanyon tires from Loose Screws. 
You can get them from Amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/Panaracer-SwiftTire-inch-Folding-Tire/dp/B01DLN93L4

Blue Sam here: https://flic.kr/p/GpM8Nv

Not suggesting that you should abandon your wheelset, but letting you know 
your not completely alone in preferring "narrower" tires on a Sam!

Jon Tallman

On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 7:17:00 PM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>
> I have been fusing with different tires on my Sam every since I purchased 
> it late last summer. I thought I wanted to go as wide as possible and have 
> the ability to ride on multi surfaces. The reality is that 95% of my riding 
> time on the Sam is on the road. I also have P45 fenders mounted which left 
> very little clearance for the 40 mm tires. Some of you may recall me 
> wrestling with the fenders. I decided to try riding the bike with 33mm 
> tires on it. I had a pair of Clement LAS file treads in my basement so I 
> decided to give them a try. Although not an absolute, in my opinion a 33mm 
> tire or something in that range seems to be the sweet spot for the Sam. 
> When I rode it this morning it was noticeably more nimble. Another big plus 
> for me is that they easily cleared the fenders. I had been thinking about 
> buying a set of Compass Barlow Pass tires but my experience with the 33's 
> had be second guessing. Since the Compass tires have yet to arrive on our 
> shores I decided to look elsewhere. I was able to find a guy on another 
> forum selling a set of Jack Brown Blue's that he mounted but never ending 
> up riding. I picked them up for a good price so I am pretty excited to try 
> them. I'll report back once I have spent some time riding on them. 
>
> Tim 
>

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[RBW] Shop Sack Durability

[Timothy Orr]

Hey, Y'all

I've been using my large shop sack nearly every day for the last seven months. 
I love it. However, one of the corners is forming a hole. I soft of thought it 
would last forever, but it's not looking good at this rate. Anyone had 
experiences with durability? Is this normal? 

Thanks!
Tim 
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[RBW] Re: FS -- Rivendell Wilbury 59cm complete bike -- UNIQUE BUILD -- $3200

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

OK, sound of crickets since I posted this suggests either (a) the bike is of no 
interest to list members as built, or (b) the price is way too high.

As to the former -- functionally, this bike is like a nearly new, super-fancy 
step through Quickbeam.  It's not for mountainous areas, true, but single 
speeds are FUN in appropriate areas.  It's a great bike.

As to the latter problem, PLEASE feel free to make offers, including aggressive 
offers or offers for less than the complete build -- I'd love to find a list 
member who would give this bike the use it deserves.



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On Apr 30, 2017, at 4:23 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner) 
> wrote:

Warning: Long email, but the subject line and next paragraph basically say it 
all.

OK, folks, the time has come once again to cull some bikes. First up is my 
essentially new 59 cm Hunter Green Rivendell Wilbury.  Here's a pic:  
https://flic.kr/p/H2Zb8R  There are many others, including a lot of detail 
images, in this album:
https://flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/sets/72157631845152497

I would prefer to sell this as a complete bike, and to provide some incentive, 
I've set the asking price pretty low, compared to the actual and replacement 
cost of the gorgeous frame and beautiful (and unusual, in some cases unique) 
components.  I'm biased, of course, but I think any buyer who appreciates this 
kind of bike will be thrilled with this unique example.

I bought the frame/fork new from College Park Bicycles in Maryland -- it was in 
the owner's private stash.  As list members know, a frame like this can now 
only be obtained by ordering a custom from Rivendell, at about $3,500 for the 
frameset alone.  This build has about 10 miles on it -- no dings or scratches 
on the frame that I can find anywhere.

I built this bike up from scratch.  It is an unusual, even quirky, build -- a 
single speed drive train, with hand-built wheels using Italian wooden rims.  I 
intentionally set out to make this bike as pretty as I could, with much 
attention to every detail, but don't be deceived -- it is supremely 
comfortable, and great fun to jump on and ride.  Here is a full parts list.  
Except as noted, all parts are NOS.

Frame/fork/headset

Rivendell Wilbury 59cm

Bottom bracket

Shimano

Wheelset


Front hub

Peter Weigle-modified vintage Campagnolo


Front rim

Ghisallo Wooden

36 hole


Spokes

Wheelsmith


Rear hub

White Industries ENO Eccentric


Rear rim

Ghisallo Wooden

36 hole


Rear spokes

Wheelsmith

Tires

Grand Bois Hetres

Red

Freewheel

White Industries ENO

Chain

Wipperman stainless

Crankset

Peter Weigle-modified vintage Stronglight (I think it's a 49D?)

Pedals

MKS rubber block, w/ red rubber blocks subbed in to match the Hetres

Seatpost

Nitto Lugged Post

Saddle

Brooks B-17 Special (hand-hammered copper rivets)

Stem

Nitto Lugged Stem

Handlebars

Nitto Albatross

Grips

Rivendell Cork, shellacked

Brake levers

Tektro vintage-style

Brakes

VO Grand Cru centerpulls

Straddle cable hangers

Herse-style from Compass Cycles

Front bag

Tubular custom plaid bag from Eric Hjeltness

Rear bag

Lunch-bag style plaid bag from Eric Hjeltness


Also included is a beautiful leather wrapped thermos flask from Beg Bicycles in 
the UK, which fits the Nitto bottle cage perfectly, and matches the saddle.

Some pertinent measurements:

Seat tube 60cm
Virtual top tube 59cm
Saddle height as pictured 78cm
Reach (rear of saddle to rear ends of grips) 70cm

I have a PBH of around 87cm, and it fits me like a glove.  Moreover, since it's 
a mixte, the fit is flexible, as standover is not an issue.

I have just about $4,600 invested in this bike, which is essentially brand new. 
 Replacement cost would be an additional $1,700, so around $5,300.  I'm asking 
$3,200.  I'll consider delivery anywhere in the Middle Atlantic states, so if 
you're willing to meet me halfway, no need to ship within a radius of at least 
400 miles of Delaware.  Otherwise, actual shipping cost paid by buyer.

Hit me up if you have any questions.  I'm probably going to be posting some 
other bikes in the next couple of weeks, too.

Thanks for considering.

Tom Allingham (Pudge, to the list!)





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[RBW] PSA: 60cm Quickbeam on eBay

[Richard Rios]

+1 Mojo, and while I haven't quite thrown in the towel yet...after my last 
selling experience here I do agree this can be an "interesting" crowd to sell 
to !). I noticed surly and salsa has a trder / for sale page on facebook, I 
haven't noticed one for Rivs but might be something to that idea. Anyway I've 
also noticed that while under no pretense of manners and general niceness, that 
there arnt people making snarkey remarks about the asking prices even if / when 
they might seem a bit high. Having bought and sold way to much bike stuff (for 
me anway)  I don't disparage people's asking prices. I assume that like myself, 
they are prolly gonna dump the money back into a different project or trying to 
recoup some of their losses on previous sales of bike stuff. If a deal is sweet 
GREAT! Good for the person who scores said deal. Otherwise I'm not sure what 
the negativity about asking prices on this list is all about. And yes there are 
cases that are funny and a bit obscene like the 50-100 Riv waterbottles on ebay 
and, no this doesn't apply to the entire list, I've had lots a cool easy 
transactions too, and yes to each his own as to what they consider fair 
prices...but really!?


Best,
Richard

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[RBW] Re: Compass on tour?

[Ryan Thompson]

Tim,

An another option may be Soma's C-Line (700x38c) or one of their Shikoro 
tires which are supple but have some flat protection.  I have the c-lines 
on my Cheviot and the Shikoros on my Sam.  I've used both for commuting and 
a short three day tour on the C canal trail (surface like the Katy trail) 
with no flats.

Good luck on your tour.

Ryan

On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 10:21:48 AM UTC-4, Tim wrote:
>
> So, I absolutely love my Compass Barlow Pass extra light, 700x38s on my 
> Hilsen. I've been riding them for 2-2 1/2 years. I'm planning on riding 
> from KC to Phoenix in a couple of weeks. I'll be on pavement. I'm around 
> 230-235 lbs (30 lbs too heavy currently) and I'll have some gear since I'll 
> be camping some, with hotels a couple nights per week. No cooking gear. 
> I'll try to keep my load down to 25-30 lbs. I know many people would never 
> tour with such a "fragile" tire, but I don't want to give them up. I would 
> definitely carry an extra tire (along with the usual tubes, patches, etc.) 
> because I had to abandon PBP after 1000K due to a sidewall cut (I found out 
> that tire boots simply will not hold a Compass tire. I used 2 boots and 
> paper money to boot it but still had 7 flats over around 100K), so I 
> wouldn't make that mistake again. I don't plan on any gravel but wouldn't 
> be afraid of some short sections and even an intentional jaunt or two 
> (although I've yet to develop much of an affinity for gravel.) Ok, so, 
> what's the group consensus? Compass for a fat guy on tour or not? Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Which Compass tires for a Sam Hillborne riden on pavement

[Patrick Moore]

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 10:32 AM, panog  wrote:

> Actually 3 questions, if we add the "where to stop adding more suppleness
> to an already supple tire?".
>

True.

>
> [...] To me and my cycling exposure, the need for the extralight casings
>  is just noise; I do use open tubular type clinchers with supple walls and
> there I draw the line for a number of reasons. When and if I need lower
> rolling resistance then I use latex tubes.
>

I've used many less-than top quality road tires because my principal road
bikes have had 26" wheels, and top quality tires haven't been readily
available for the 559 and 571 sizes. So when Jan put the Elk Pass on the
market, I was thrilled. Frankly, I've not ridden "standard casing" Compass
tires, so I can't really say if, or by how much, the ELs reduce rolling
resistance (the Elk Pass comes only in the EL casing). But the improvement
over the already very decent 1.35" Kojaks was so noticeable that I spent
almost $1K in stocking up. (I had swapped 622 35 mm Kojaks on my erstwhile
Ram for original issue Challenge Parigi Roubaix -- as delicate a tire, I
may add, as any I've used -- and, while the difference was quite
noticeable, it wasn't as noticeable as between the 559 X 1.35 Ks and the
Elk Passes.


> Another consideration on wheel performance, when taken to the nth degree
> via extralight casings etc, is the effect of aerodynamic drag on the
> fendered, high spoke, box rimed, bulbous profile wheel which makes one
> bring into prospective where to draw the line on dialing the rubber rolling
> resistance.
>
> Very true. I think Jan discounts tire air drag as negligible, but I
certainly feel something when I'm pushing 29", 2"+ wide tires against one
of our Spring headwinds! Even more so if the tire has fat, tall knobs (that
is to say, the resistance of the knobs to rolling on pavement is very
noticeably less than when a headwind is added).

I also think fenders, or at least Velo Orange flaps, catch wind; at least,
my 2003 Riv with Elk Passes and a 70" gear doesn't seem as easy to pedal as
my identical, as to position and tires '99 gofast, sans fenders and with a
76" gear. Jan did say that, from his wind tunnel tests, the fenders on the
bike or bikes he tested didn't add to drag.

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[RBW] Re: "Modern" Components on a Riv?

[Will Ashe]

Killer build!

On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 10:26:01 AM UTC-7, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:
>
> Here's some inspiration for you!
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 9:10:47 AM UTC-5, Will Ashe wrote:
>>
>> Hey y'all, 
>>
>> Since I've decided to rebuild my Sam I've been looking for some 
>> inspiration. I saw Roman's Sam in staff bikes with a Sram crankset, and am 
>> considering trying a full Sram 1x setup. Do any of you have experience with 
>> builds like this? I don't suspect that I'll run into any issues, but would 
>> love some feedback.
>>
>> Thanks, 
>>
>> Will Ashe
>>
>> LA-->ATX
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: "Modern" Components on a Riv?

[Austin B]

Wow Chris! Look at that tiny chainring and giant cassette. Does that bike have 
a reverse gear as well??

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Re: [RBW] Re: "Modern" Components on a Riv?

[Patrick Moore]

Nice!

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:26 AM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Here's some inspiration for you!
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 9:10:47 AM UTC-5, Will Ashe wrote:
>>
>> Hey y'all,
>>
>> Since I've decided to rebuild my Sam I've been looking for some
>> inspiration. I saw Roman's Sam in staff bikes with a Sram crankset, and am
>> considering trying a full Sram 1x setup. Do any of you have experience with
>> builds like this? I don't suspect that I'll run into any issues, but would
>> love some feedback.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Will Ashe
>>
>> LA-->ATX
>>
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[RBW] Re: "Modern" Components on a Riv?

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Here's some inspiration for you!





On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 9:10:47 AM UTC-5, Will Ashe wrote:
>
> Hey y'all, 
>
> Since I've decided to rebuild my Sam I've been looking for some 
> inspiration. I saw Roman's Sam in staff bikes with a Sram crankset, and am 
> considering trying a full Sram 1x setup. Do any of you have experience with 
> builds like this? I don't suspect that I'll run into any issues, but would 
> love some feedback.
>
> Thanks, 
>
> Will Ashe
>
> LA-->ATX
>

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[RBW] Re: "Modern" Components on a Riv?

[Will Ashe]

Thanks for the feedback. Much appreciated. 

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[RBW] Re: "Modern" Components on a Riv?

[Austin B]

When I first got my Sam frameset, I used various bits and pieces I had 
laying around to build it up and ride it before I knew exactly what I 
wanted. This included running an Ultegra 6600 10-speed drivetrain & 
brifters on it which I had laying around unused. While it wasn't a typical 
Sam build, everything integrated just fine. I slowly swapped out most of 
the Ultegra parts but ran the hollowtech Ultegra crankset on it for almost 
a year, despite going to a 9-speed 12-36 cassette, Deore RD, and bar-end 
shifters. (I also used the brifters only as brake levers for a bit).

It'll take the modern stuff just fine. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Which Compass tires for a Sam Hillborne riden on pavement

[panog]

Actually 3 questions, if we add the "where to stop adding more suppleness 
to an already supple tire?".

I absolutely agree with your statement regarding the esoteric nature of the 
perceived handling differences between wheel sizes simply due to the fact 
that the absolute judge of what feels best (beyond the kool-aid dispersed 
by the experts) is one's self and one can only judge what they are aware of 
or most often perceive as being best. 

I dont remember if it was a published BQ article or a JH blog entry that 
once said that JH found loosing "nimbleness" on 700c wheels when tire size 
exceeded 32 mm and that was the predominant reason behind moving to 650Bx38 
or x42 to regain it. What this means? To me, nothing more than that JH 
prefers 650Bx38 over 700cx35 or wider for his riding. Same with Jan's 
preference of the super supple (extralight) over the standard supple 
casings.
Should the casual rider be influenced by JH's preferences? IMO, I tend to 
be between Maybe and Not, because they may never realize the benefits they 
believe exist.
Should the higher performance rider be influenced by JH's preferences? IMO, 
if one's riding style, ability, cadence, posture etc are similar to Jan's 
and they are riding on similar tarmac and for as long as Jan does then one 
would expect some gains to be harvested by mimicking what Jan does.

After having drunk my fair share of kool-aid over the years I have come to 
the realization that with bicycles in particular, one needs to separate 
between what's merely true and what's important. To me and my cycling 
exposure, the need for the extralight casings  is just noise; I do use open 
tubular type clinchers with supple walls and there I draw the line for a 
number of reasons. When and if I need lower rolling resistance then I use 
latex tubes. 

Another consideration on wheel performance, when taken to the nth degree 
via extralight casings etc, is the effect of aerodynamic drag on the 
fendered, high spoke, box rimed, bulbous profile wheel which makes one 
bring into prospective where to draw the line on dialing the rubber rolling 
resistance.


On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 5:52:57 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> ...*snipped*.
>
> We've got 2 questions going on here, optimum wheel size and casing 
> suppleness. I rather think that the question of how wheel size affects 
> handling is more "esoteric" than that of casing suppleness, which I guess 
> is available to anyone who rides above a jogging speed. 
>
> On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 7:47 PM, panog  
> wrote:
>
>> The principal benefit of the greater suppleness is reduced rolling 
>> resistance, reduced hysteric losses and thus greater speed for the same 
>> watt input.
>> The real question though is at which point we have diminishing returns. I 
>> dont think that this is a one-answer-fits-all as I believe its greatly 
>> dependent on the ability and expertise of the rider and his equipment to 
>> harness the marginal increase in performance.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Choco-moose Love?

[René Sterental]

I put them on my Cheviot to try, where I had the Ahearne bars that I love.
I think I actually like the Chocos better.

Tried the Bullmoose version first, but swapped it for the normals with a
100mm stem to continue using the shifters on the stem's quill. Mounted the
normals in the same orientation as the BM, so the center is higher. I like
them better this way. These are becoming a favorite.

Will post the BM version for sale shortly, I think.

René

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 5:34 AM William R.  wrote:

> Still rocking and loving the Choco Mooses that came stock on my Appaloosa
> over a year ago. Sometimes I think about trying some Choco Norms to see if
> I like a slightly different angle or if I want to lower them more than I
> can with the mooses. But that's usually when my mind is wandering off the
> bike. While riding, they are just perfect, no need to change a thing.
>
> Bill in Westchester, NY
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Re: [RBW] FS: Tubus Tara + mounts; Nitto 32F mini-rack; XT 10-spd RD-M773; Surly Seatpost Clamp 30mm; Problem Solvers Direct Mount Adapter

[Bob K.]

Bump with new prices on the racks and rear derailleur. Pictures to follow 
this evening.

*Nitto 32F Mini-Rack*--*$110 shipped/OBO*--I bought this with my Sam in 
2009, but it's only been (off and) on my bike for the past year or so. It's 
the model with the front tab. Great shape. Riv sells them for $140. 

*Tubus Tara (silver!) + Tubus LM-1 fork mount adapters*--*$90 shipped/OBO*--I 
bought this setup a year ago. I used it on a couple of short tours. There 
is some slight wear on the rails, but overall great shape. Full disclosure: 
You can get the black version direct from Germany for around $80 shipped. 
The adapters would be roughly $15-20 extra. If you want silver, you can get 
a new one from the UK for about $135 shipped (including adapters). It's not 
a shiny silver, but it's pretty (enough), and it will match your bike well 
(enough). Would prefer not to separate the rack and adapters.

*XT RD-M773 (long cage)*--*$35 shipped/OBO*--I bought this from a list 
member a few weeks back for my new Troll, but I decided to go a different 
direction. Slight wear from (I assume) installing/uninstalling the rear 
wheel.

*Surly Stainless (black) seatpost clamp, 30mm clamp diameter*--*$17 shipped 
OBO*--This came with my Troll. It's new. I replaced it with a gold one 
because gold is pretty.  Save a few bucks off retail ($20 shipped) and help 
me fund the rack.

*Problem Solvers Direct Mount FD Adapter for 68/73 BB shell (34.9 with 
shims for 31.8)*--*$30 shipped OBO*--It's new-in-packaging. Here's a link 
to the PS description: 
http://problemsolversbike.com/products/shifters-derailleurs/direct_mount_-_25344

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[RBW] PSA: 60cm Quickbeam on eBay

['Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Wow tough crowd. I paid $900 for my green Quickbeam frame with just a headset. 
The components on this one are very nice. It is obvious the bike is in good 
shape even if there is some beausage. This isn't a great bargain but it doesn't 
seem crazy expensive. There is a reason I quit selling my Riv items here.

Joe in GJT

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 60cm Quickbeam on eBay

[Bob Lovejoy]

I will add to the conversation that the seller does have excellent feedback 
and, looking through their past sales, has accepted best offers more than a 
few times.  

I do suspect it is a consignment, taken in and presented mostly as they 
received it.  It is certainly a rider, not necessarily a show bike, but the 
bike looks well thought out and the parts would seem to be great upgrades. 
 My knees ache at even the mention of a fixed/single speed bike, and I do 
cringe a little at top tube dents and scrapes (though they happen far too 
easily in the real world), but if it was my size and I was indeed looking, 
I would consider the asking price or make an offer that made sense to me.

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL

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[RBW] PSA: 60cm Quickbeam on eBay

[Bill]

I don't understand how a seller would go through the effort to box the bike for 
shipping but otherwise would not bother to replace the taillight battery. It 
could just be a consignment and the lister presents the bike exactly as 
received, greasy, dirty, rusty, and dead battery, hoping to make some easy 
money.

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 60cm Quickbeam on eBay

[drew]

No expert, but I have 2 top tube dented bikes and everyone has told me they are 
purely cosmetic. 

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[RBW] "Modern" Components on a Riv?

[Will Ashe]

Hey y'all, 

Since I've decided to rebuild my Sam I've been looking for some 
inspiration. I saw Roman's Sam in staff bikes with a Sram crankset, and am 
considering trying a full Sram 1x setup. Do any of you have experience with 
builds like this? I don't suspect that I'll run into any issues, but would 
love some feedback.

Thanks, 

Will Ashe

LA-->ATX

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 60cm Quickbeam on eBay

[eflayer]

I'd worry more about blowing that much money on a dented and rusty bike 
than I would on any danger from the dent itself.

On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 5:44:00 AM UTC-7, Belopsky wrote:
>
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/rivendell-quickbeam-singlespeed-bicycle-60-cm-nitto-phil-wood-honjo-brooks-/391772091525
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[RBW] Re: PSA: 60cm Quickbeam on eBay

[William R.]

Nice one. Always wanted one of these. My size. I don't quite have those 
funds... But, just in case, is that slight dent in the top tube near the 
saddle anything to be concerned about? Or is that another one of the many 
benefits of steel: not worrying about such things?

Bill in Westchester, NY

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[RBW] PSA: 60cm Quickbeam on eBay

[Belopsky]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/rivendell-quickbeam-singlespeed-bicycle-60-cm-nitto-phil-wood-honjo-brooks-/391772091525

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[RBW] Choco-moose Love?

[William R.]

Still rocking and loving the Choco Mooses that came stock on my Appaloosa over 
a year ago. Sometimes I think about trying some Choco Norms to see if I like a 
slightly different angle or if I want to lower them more than I can with the 
mooses. But that's usually when my mind is wandering off the bike. While 
riding, they are just perfect, no need to change a thing.

Bill in Westchester, NY

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[RBW] Re: looking for a recent post on brake clearance

[ascpgh]

So true. I had fender rattling and buzz against the resting position of the 
Shimano "longer reach" brake arms on my Rambouillet when my original 
hammered  Honjos and Conti Gatorskin 28s I would tighten up the brakes, 
partially activating them to get better clearance:





It became more than occasional after being banged into from the rear, 
upsetting the perfect arc necessary. I fixed several things with Paul 
Racers, Stampede Pass ELs and a wider/longer set of hammered Honjos. Now it 
is actually the frame bridge and the fork crown that are the clearance 
points despite bigger tires and fenders (sorry for the quality, I flashed 
to get the frame color of the bridge under there):





Good braking, quiet fenders keeping me clean & dry, and a lovely smooth 
ride. Just in time for spring rains. 


Andy Cheatham

Pittsburgh





On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 6:24:46 PM UTC-4, eflayer wrote:
>
> yes, on my Salsa Casseroll shod with earlier Shimano BR long reach front 
> brake, a 28mm tire would come very close to hitting just underneath the 
> brake. On that same bike with Race M installed, the clearance was quite a 
> bit bigger and no issue with 28mm Conti 4000 on Velocity A23. 
>
> On Sunday, April 30, 2017 at 11:59:22 AM UTC-7, reynoldslugs wrote:
>>
>> Dear list:
>>
>> Someone on this list, or perhaps the iBob list, posted a link to a page 
>> comparing the clearance for different caliper sets in the 47-57 range 
>> (e.g., Tektro R539's and TRP RG957 long-reach, Shimano long reach).
>>
>> The web site had a set of very helpful photos, illustrating that some of 
>> the caliper sets had more clearance under the caliper (above the tire).
>>
>> I'm trying to get a little more clearance below the caliper for the tires 
>> on my Della Santa... so if anyone can refer me to the link, many thanks.
>>
>> (I searched archives, couldn't find the link).
>>
>> I'll cross post to the Bob list, apologies to all.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Max Beach
>>
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[RBW] Re: Compass on tour?

[ascpgh]

I have Schwalbe Marathon Supremes on my Disc Trucker commuter and Stampede 
Pass ELs on my Rambouillet. If I decided tomorrow to take the GAP/C path 
to Washington DC, I'd take the Ram and its ELs. 

I just love the ride of those tires, with each pedal stroke, that I'd 
happily carry an extra (have one still in package in the tool box) and 
repair kits on bike in case. My last flat, notably, was on the commuter's 
rear wheel despite the tire selection which I made in deference to avoiding 
planning time for flat repair into my commute since I'm already leaving at 
6 am for 14 hours. 

Riding on my time, I don't perseverate over potential flatting or tire 
failure, it's part of what I'm out there doing. Different when I'm on a 
schedule or other people's time. If I am responsible for being on a 
schedule I will add contingency time which I balance with and with which 
temper my equipment choices.

As an interesting comparison, I got rid of a car that came with run flat 
tires as its contingency. I don't drive places that are proximate to tire 
retailers that are open 24/7 hours and stock that brand/size replacement, 
so the idea of being stranded by a tire failure was real. That is unless I 
put a spare one in the trunk myself, which is what the manufacturer should 
have done in the first place instead of making (the famously great 
handling) car ride like a Conestoga wagon on those ridiculous RFTs. Not a 
workable paradigm for me and interestingly similar to my bike tire view.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh




On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 10:21:48 AM UTC-4, Tim wrote:
>
> So, I absolutely love my Compass Barlow Pass extra light, 700x38s on my 
> Hilsen. I've been riding them for 2-2 1/2 years. I'm planning on riding 
> from KC to Phoenix in a couple of weeks. I'll be on pavement. I'm around 
> 230-235 lbs (30 lbs too heavy currently) and I'll have some gear since I'll 
> be camping some, with hotels a couple nights per week. No cooking gear. 
> I'll try to keep my load down to 25-30 lbs. I know many people would never 
> tour with such a "fragile" tire, but I don't want to give them up. I would 
> definitely carry an extra tire (along with the usual tubes, patches, etc.) 
> because I had to abandon PBP after 1000K due to a sidewall cut (I found out 
> that tire boots simply will not hold a Compass tire. I used 2 boots and 
> paper money to boot it but still had 7 flats over around 100K), so I 
> wouldn't make that mistake again. I don't plan on any gravel but wouldn't 
> be afraid of some short sections and even an intentional jaunt or two 
> (although I've yet to develop much of an affinity for gravel.) Ok, so, 
> what's the group consensus? Compass for a fat guy on tour or not? Thanks!

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[RBW] Guidonette levers on Choco?

[Garth]

>From the pics I see on the VO page they appear to have quite a drop to them, 
>meaning you really gotta reach down to them. May or may not work for you 
>depends on what you prefer. 

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[RBW] Re: Tires for Sam

[Garth]

Why not just keep riding the Clement tires ?  I mean hey, if it ain't 
broke...

As you found out, wider is not necessarily "better", it's just wider but it 
doesn't necessarily mean better or worse.

I myself have not drunk the "Compass kool-aid" and prolly never will. Everyone 
has their own preferences and the ability to express it however that may be, it 
is our nature to do so. 





 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Which Compass tires for a Sam Hillborne riden on pavement

[Patrick Moore]

Yes, the benefit of casing suppleness is principally lower rolling
resistance, though I find that more supple tires are also more comfortable
at a given tire pressure (and, OTOH, that they often require a higher
pressure to avoid sidewall flop than do tires with stiffer sidewalls).

We've got 2 questions going on here, optimum wheel size and casing
suppleness. I rather think that the question of how wheel size affects
handling is more "esoteric" than that of casing suppleness, which I guess
is available to anyone who rides above a jogging speed.

On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 7:47 PM, panog  wrote:

> The principal benefit of the greater suppleness is reduced rolling
> resistance, reduced hysteric losses and thus greater speed for the same
> watt input.
> The real question though is at which point we have diminishing returns. I
> dont think that this is a one-answer-fits-all as I believe its greatly
> dependent on the ability and expertise of the rider and his equipment to
> harness the marginal increase in performance.
>

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