Re: [RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[Grant Petersen]

Damn. Well, maybe we can sneak it in the new catalog. No attributions, tho.

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 9:19 PM, Lum Gim Fong  wrote:

> If you are selling both the original and the new version Atlantis you
> could call the new version the “Longboard Atlantis”. Very Riv and very
> California.
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[RBW] [podcast] Higher, Faster, Rougher, Wilder

[Ash]

Happen to listen to this because of a long drive recently.

https://overcast.fm/+HsdL-boc

Nice discussion.  Not sure who those two guys are, but they are quite 
knowledgeable.

They talked about (topics I can recall):

- Bike touring, Alps
- Someone had printed only 100 copies of apparently a very useful  bike 
touring book decades ago, there's a kickstarter to make a new version of it
- 'Everesting'
- 650B, wide tires, ride comfort
- Biking as a non-sport/racing hobby, etc

enjoy!


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[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[Lum Gim Fong]

If you are selling both the original and the new version Atlantis you could 
call the new version the “Longboard Atlantis”. Very Riv and very California.

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[RBW] Re: Request to support Richmond Composite (OT)

[Justin, Oakland]

Taking the night off my Google Groups/Facebook/Twitter hiatus to find this. 
Glad to. If I can’t go I’ll donate!

-J

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[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[tc]

I know this will be revealed in time, and others have said the same...but I 
just can't help but notice the similarities between the MIT Atlantis and 
the Appa.  I don't believe the bikes in the following comparison pic are 
the same size - regardless, hard to deny.  I look fwd to hearing all the 
juicy details!



Tom

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Re: [RBW] FS: Deuter Rack Pack 2 Panniers $15 + shipping

[Joe Bernard]

Maybe Randall should think of a number between 1 and 100, then pick the winner 
of $15 panniers ;-)

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[RBW] Re: Nitto F-16 Handlebar Bag Support

[Michael Doleman]

Got it -- thank you. That's exactly the feedback I was looking for. For my 
purposes, it sounds like a non-starter. The weight saved isn't worth it. 
I'll just stick with my Nitto mini front rack + decaleur. Appreciate the 
input.

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> I’ve used one of those on my Ram with an Ostrich bag.  It’s okay but there 
> are limits.  Since the bag sits high and hangs off the bars, it can effect 
> steering/wheel flop.   Also, the platform is small, so you can’t load up 
> the bag with heavy items or the bag will sag.  It’s good to carry light 
> loads on longer rides on your road bike.

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[RBW] Nitto F-16 Handlebar Bag Support

[LBleriot]

I’ve used one of those on my Ram with an Ostrich bag.  It’s okay but there are 
limits.  Since the bag sits high and hangs off the bars, it can effect 
steering/wheel flop.   Also, the platform is small, so you can’t load up the 
bag with heavy items or the bag will sag.  It’s good to carry light loads on 
longer rides on your road bike.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Deacon Patrick is famous

[dougP]

In the lower right corner it says: "Photo: Patrick Jones"

dougP

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> Hey Doug P,  where do you see the photo credit in lower right corner?
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Mar 26, 2018, at 5:15 PM, Ron Mc  
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> gotta admit that photo is a pretty good testimonial 
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Re: [RBW] FS: Deuter Rack Pack 2 Panniers $15 + shipping

[Deacon Patrick]

PM sent, in case you don’t get it.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] FS: Deuter Rack Pack 2 Panniers $15 + shipping

[Randall Rupp]

Nope, $15 + shipping, email me off list.  I'm not using them and I'd rather
somebody here reanimates them.  I got them second hand myself (back in
2008), I don't think they had been used when I got them.  Anyway, don't
feel bad for me - I didn't pay anything close to retail for them.


On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 1:50 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Randy: You did mean to post "$150.00", right?
>
> If not, I'll takem!
>
> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 11:45 AM, Randall Rupp  wrote:
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>> Set of two (2) rear panniers, slate gray, blue, with some orange, 48L
>> capacity, integrated rain covers.  Bought in 2008 and in great condition,
>> used on 3 week-long tours around VA and NC.  $15 + shipping (CONUS).
>>
>> I can send photo(s) if there's interest, but you can see a similar set
>> here:  https://aushiker.com/deuter-rack-pack-ii/
>>
>> Contact off-list, thanks!
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Re: [RBW] Re: '09 Sam Redux

[Steve Palincsar]

On 03/26/2018 05:49 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:

Sweet! Bells are surprisingly wondrous additions to my two bikes. Now it’s 
spring and folks are out, I have to retrain the trail populace that my bell is 
my bell and not a cell phone or the passing ambulance, or what’s a trolly doing 
out here? — comments I’ve gotten in recent days after they ignored my bell the 
first ring or two. Despite the hilarity, the interactions were all possitive 
and involved laughter, despite their surprise at the bell belonging to a bike — 
something voice has never achieved.


You're meeting people who are surprised to hear a bell on a bicycle???   
That's really weird.  I encounter tourists from the world over down 
around the Tidal Basin and they all know what a bicycle bell is, even 
though most of them do not speak English.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Deacon Patrick is famous

[Mike Williams]

Hey Doug P,  where do you see the photo credit in lower right corner?

Sent from my iPhone

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[RBW] Re: Riv-ified Trek 850 Commuter.

[RichS]

Nice work. Looks great! Glad you retrieved it for a second act.

Best,
Richard

On Sunday, March 25, 2018 at 8:37:26 PM UTC-4, David B wrote:
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> Good ol’ Albatross. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: "Canti-Rom" Romulus 59, built for randonneuring

[DMG]

Hmm. I don't know why Google has decided the photos need to be upside down. 
 Let's try that again...







On Monday, March 26, 2018 at 7:59:28 AM UTC-4, DMG wrote:
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> Hi all,
>
> Needing to part ways with my first run, Toyo-made Romulus, with lots of 
> practical upgrades and goodies. I'm in Washington DC and would love not to 
> ship. Official writeup:
>
> Early 2000s rare "canti-rom" classic lugged steel road bike that mixes 
> performance with comfort and practicality. It's got a lot of the higher-end 
> Riv components you'd expect, plus a Velo Orange Randonneur rack with 
> decaleur and Ostrich front bag, plus a B Luxos B headlight wired to a 
> DH-72/Open Pro front wheel and is ready for high speed night riding as well 
> as light touring. Frame is in good shape (no dents) but the paint has has a 
> definite patina -- all surface rust has been sanded and sealed with 
> clearcoat. Beausage galore! 
>
> Full build:
>
> Wrights vintage saddle on Kalloy seatpost
> Nitto Soba bars on Nitto stem; Ultegra headset
> Cane Creek SCR-5 levers on Tektro 720 brakes w/ Kool Stop pads
> Diacomp ENE shifters, 105 front, Ultegra rear derailleur
> Shimano compact double Ultegra crank with Willow chainrings; MKS Sylvan 
> Track pedals with double straps
> Velo-Orange Randonneur rack/decaleur; Ostrich randonneur bag
> Cateye water bottles
> Araya/105 rear wheel (matching front included) with 32mm Continental 
> Gatorskins 
> DH-72/Mavic Open Pro front wheel with Luxos B headlight (modified to be 
> fully waterproof, with cables hardwired to the circuitboard) attached with 
> VO light mount 
>
> Would like $1250. Please contact me at dmgdmg at gmail dot com with any 
> questions. Thanks!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[Grant Petersen]

Not film. Pal Sean's iPhone, about 22 hours ago. He rode the 51, I was on
the 56.

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> Were those pictures shot on film?
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> Nice thumbie shot!
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[RBW] Re: Errandonneering 2018

[RichS]

You Carried What? Holy cow, all this on a QB fixed gear! I salute you 
Deacon Patrick (Gri). Congratulations on making the home page of the 
Riv web site. That's an inspiring photograph.

Best regards,
Richard

On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 6:54:32 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
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> In which I strive to complete Chasing Mailboxes fantastic invitation to 
> incorporate errands into everyday riding, having tried multiple years, and 
> finally been successful last year.
>
> I’ll update this post as I complete more controls, but wanted to post this 
> in case anyone wanted to quickly jump in and join the fun! Today’s trip: 
> 120 pounds of bulk groceries, for the “You Carried What?” control.
> https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/errandonnee-2018
>
> Here are the details from Mary at Chasing Mailboxes:
>
> https://chasingmailboxes.com/2018/03/11/errandonnee-2018-the-details-of-our-lives/
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> With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: '09 Sam Redux

[Deacon Patrick]

Sweet! Bells are surprisingly wondrous additions to my two bikes. Now it’s 
spring and folks are out, I have to retrain the trail populace that my bell is 
my bell and not a cell phone or the passing ambulance, or what’s a trolly doing 
out here? — comments I’ve gotten in recent days after they ignored my bell the 
first ring or two. Despite the hilarity, the interactions were all possitive 
and involved laughter, despite their surprise at the bell belonging to a bike — 
something voice has never achieved.

Whatever you decide, enjoy the ride!

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Request to support Richmond Composite (OT)

[John G.]

Awesome charity. A previous job had me visit a lot of Title I schools, and 
man, that experience really brought some truths home for me. I remember 
reading an essay by a kid, the prompt for which was "If you could go 
anywhere in the world, where would you go?" The kid's response was 
"Walmart." Broke my heart a bit. Any program that brings new experiences to 
underserved students is alright by me.


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> I'm team mechanic and an assistant coach for El Cerrito High School 
> Mountain Bike Racing.  We're a decent sized team, all from the same school, 
> which puts us in D1 competing against other schools like Berkeley High and 
> Albany High.  Some of the teams are smaller and many individual schools 
> have too few riders to support a team, so they form "composite" teams that 
> include riders from several schools.  San Francisco Composite is a 
> powerhouse, as is Oakland Composite.  This year I've noticed a couple new 
> Composite teams that warm my heart. Tops on that short list is Richmond 
> Composite. Richmond, California is a rough town in the East Bay, with a 
> comparatively depressed local economy, and a lot of lower income families. 
> The Richmond Composite Mountain Bike Racing Team offers a great way to 
> expose lower income and minority teens to the outdoors and to cycling.  
> They also put a bunch of extra effort into including non-English speakers 
> and girls.  Richmond Composite has a fundraiser happening this Wednesday, 
> March 28th at Clif Bar Headquarters in Emeryville.  If you are an Easy Bay 
> bike person and want to be involved, here is info about the event:
>
> https://richmondcomposite.brownpapertickets.com/
>
> If you are not an East Bay bike person, or you are busy on Wednesday 
> night, but want to help out an incredible all-volunteer team, here's their 
> gofundme site:
>
> https://www.gofundme.com/richmondcomp
>
> I'm almost certainly going to be there Wednesday night, and I'll be trying 
> to parlay my donation into a jersey.  Richmond has some SWEET low-key team 
> jerseys.  Scroll down:
>
> https://www.richmondcomposite.com/who-we-are/
>
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> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] Re: Hillborne drivetrain redo, springtime ramble, 1x sort of, and a bald eagle

[Ron Mc]

ps - bald eagles winter here, see them frequently on my greenway rides, 
which follow the creeks,


 and even fish with them in my tailwater (20 min from my house)

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[RBW] Re: Nitto F-16 Handlebar Bag Support

[Ron Mc]

I have an Ostrich bag supported with a Nitto R-12



The straps on the bag also go under the rear arm of the bag support to pin 
it very nicely - it doesn't move if you lift the bike sideways.  .  

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[RBW] Request to support Richmond Composite (OT)

[Bill Lindsay]

I'm team mechanic and an assistant coach for El Cerrito High School 
Mountain Bike Racing.  We're a decent sized team, all from the same school, 
which puts us in D1 competing against other schools like Berkeley High and 
Albany High.  Some of the teams are smaller and many individual schools 
have too few riders to support a team, so they form "composite" teams that 
include riders from several schools.  San Francisco Composite is a 
powerhouse, as is Oakland Composite.  This year I've noticed a couple new 
Composite teams that warm my heart. Tops on that short list is Richmond 
Composite. Richmond, California is a rough town in the East Bay, with a 
comparatively depressed local economy, and a lot of lower income families. 
The Richmond Composite Mountain Bike Racing Team offers a great way to 
expose lower income and minority teens to the outdoors and to cycling.  
They also put a bunch of extra effort into including non-English speakers 
and girls.  Richmond Composite has a fundraiser happening this Wednesday, 
March 28th at Clif Bar Headquarters in Emeryville.  If you are an Easy Bay 
bike person and want to be involved, here is info about the event:

https://richmondcomposite.brownpapertickets.com/

If you are not an East Bay bike person, or you are busy on Wednesday night, 
but want to help out an incredible all-volunteer team, here's their 
gofundme site:

https://www.gofundme.com/richmondcomp

I'm almost certainly going to be there Wednesday night, and I'll be trying 
to parlay my donation into a jersey.  Richmond has some SWEET low-key team 
jerseys.  Scroll down:

https://www.richmondcomposite.com/who-we-are/

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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[RBW] Re: Deacon Patrick is famous

[Ron Mc]

gotta admit that photo is a pretty good testimonial 

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[RBW] Re: Deacon Patrick is famous

[Chris Birkenmaier]

I noticed that too today and expanded the photo to take a closer look at 
our snow traveler.  Great photo Deacon!  You are now officially a Poster 
Boy. Grin...as you would say.
Chris

On Monday, March 26, 2018 at 2:25:06 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I went to www.rivbike.com to check on a couple things that needed 
> checking, and I saw their front page photo is Deacon Patrick rumbling 
> through the snow.  It's a great photo.  Deacon, are all those selfies done 
> completely solo, with a tripod and a timer?  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] Re: Deacon Patrick is famous

[dougP]

I'd noticed the cover photo had changed but didn't look closely enough to 
recognize DP until you mentioned it.  Photo credit lower right corner.  

Maybe this is a new trend for the photographically talented?  

dougP

On Monday, March 26, 2018 at 11:25:06 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I went to www.rivbike.com to check on a couple things that needed 
> checking, and I saw their front page photo is Deacon Patrick rumbling 
> through the snow.  It's a great photo.  Deacon, are all those selfies done 
> completely solo, with a tripod and a timer?  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[dougP]

I can see a frame bag behind the seat post.  

dougP

On Monday, March 26, 2018 at 10:24:09 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I’ll say this: that’s my favorite Grant “thumbs up” picture ever. 
>
> Bill Lindsay 
> El Cerrito Ca

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[RBW] Refined carbs

[Patrick Moore]

Polished white rice: good for what ails you.

https://youtu.be/HkRKi7_Iywc?t=101

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8O35Z_MgpA

And, may not be safe for work, if you work is very, very prim:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7SwjdMIteg

Patrick "Scots Irish + English probably cancels out the Maylay + Chinese +
Arabic" Moore

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[RBW] Re: Hillborne drivetrain redo, springtime ramble, 1x sort of, and a bald eagle

[Ron Mc]

Don't give up on the wide compact double until you try a Ultegra CX-70 FD

   

Check out *this drivetrain result 
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[RBW] Hillborne drivetrain redo, springtime ramble, 1x sort of, and a bald eagle

[Deacon Patrick]

jAndrews, Sweet! But know ... this is very dangerious territory. Slippery slope 
dangerous. I rode almost that exact set-on my Hunqapillar for a few years. 
Loved it. Now I’m fixed gear only — directly because of what I learned by going 
1x9 with a manuel bailout 24t chainring. I am a cautionary tale (well, many, 
actually). Grin.

You’ve done a great job. Enjoy the ride! It is all the gears you need, no 
matter what you do.

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Mt Tam Hunqs

[dougP]

Looks like the hills are greening up nicely.

dougP

On Monday, March 26, 2018 at 1:13:19 PM UTC-7, Kurt Manley wrote:
>
> 4 Hunqs from yesterdays ride on Mt Tamalpais in Marin, CA. Thought you 
> might enjoy.
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>

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[RBW] Mt Tam Hunqs

[Deacon Patrick]

Mammoth country! Great shot!

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Thomson Elite Seatpost -- 26.8 -- with New Sam H.: Seems... Small...?

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Yep, I meant 0.2mm and carelessly left off the decimal (and same for the 
other differences mentioned.)  My mistake but glad you understood what I 
was suggesting. 

On Monday, March 26, 2018 at 12:58:06 PM UTC-4, Michael Doleman wrote:
>
> Well, it would be a 0.2mm difference, not a full 2mm, but point still 
> taken: I agree that in a perfect world I don't want to do anything as 
> drastic as using a wrong-sized seatpost.
>
> I don't know that I'd trust my reading of my analog/non-dial calipers to 
> accurately reflect what would likely be far less than a half millimeter 
> difference.
>
> I definitely don't see any eyeball-noticeable deformation of the binder, 
> as I tighten it up, and I can say with fairly strong assurance that there's 
> nothing amiss with the threading of the actual bolt. That all seems fine. I 
> just don't care for how much I seem to have to tighten things up to make it 
> work. Reason being, of course, the looser the post in the slot, the more 
> the constriction pressure is directed against one particular circumference 
> of the post, and that introduces what could be a higher-than-desired stress 
> riser on the post (I would assume).
>
> I've had a similar issue with other bikes, in the past, and ultimately it 
> was all fine. But I am mainly wondering if anyone else has had similar 
> experiences. I'm more used to some very small amount of force being needed 
> to install the seatpost, even when the binder is completely loose. In the 
> case with the Thomson/Sam, there is absolutely no force at all needed. The 
> post would simple fall straight down if you dropped it into the tube -- and 
> that just doesn't *seem* quite right to me, for whatever reason.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, March 26, 2018 at 9:37:41 AM UTC-7, Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>>
>> Hi Michael,
>>
>> If possible, I'd take a caliper measurement of both the post outer 
>> diameter and the seatube inner diameter to be sure if either (or both) are 
>> slightly out of spec.
>>
>> Going up 2mm would not likely work in your favor if the seatube is spec'd 
>> correctly at 26.8.
>>
>> I also wonder if the binder bolt and nut could be contributing somehow 
>> and binding or somewhat cross threading?  Riv seatbinders take easy to find 
>> metric bolts so you could try an alternate of the same size.
>>
>>  Out of curiosity, do you notice the ears of the seatlug binder pinching 
>> or deforming such that they get close to touching and bridging the gap when 
>> tightened enough to hold the post sufficiently?  Wondering as I have 
>> experienced too small posts before (not posts manufactured out of spec... 
>> but undersized posts that had been used on frames designed for larger 
>> diameter posts.)
>>
>> One was a hand-me-down frame that came into my possession with a 26.2 
>> installed and a heavily deformed seatbinder.  This frame turned out 
>> to require a 26.8 post after spreading the binder back apart and the 6mm 
>> difference was significant and easily noticeable.
>>
>> On the other hand, another frame called for a 30.9 post and the stock 
>> post was too short for me.  I had a much longer 27.2 post and a 27.2-30.8 
>> shim available and the 1mm difference of the 30.8 shim vs 30.9 
>> seatbinder was minimal enough to not cause any noticeable deformation but 
>> definitely noticeable when tightening since it required much greater effort 
>> to get it nice and snug.
>>
>> Brian Cole
>> Lawrenceville NJ
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, March 26, 2018 at 11:44:36 AM UTC-4, Michael Doleman wrote:
>>
>>> Just wanted to get some advice, here.
>>>
>>> I am building my new Sam Hillborne, which takes a 26.8 seatpost. For the 
>>> size of frame I use, unless I get a ridiculously short stem (like, 6cm), I 
>>> need a zero-setback seatpost. Especially if I want there to be space behind 
>>> the saddle to use my Carradice Bagman uplift. I tend to like the feel of a 
>>> zero-setback post, anyway, though.
>>>
>>> The only really nice, zero-setback post that I know of, in a 26.8 size, 
>>> is Thomson, so that's what I got. It looks great on the bike, but -- man -- 
>>> does it ever seem a bit narrow in diameter. I can tighten it down such that 
>>> it does, indeed, seem to be properly static in the slot, but I *really* 
>>> have to tighten the bolt down hard. Enough so that I'm slightly worried 
>>> about it and wanted to know if anyone else has had similar experiences with 
>>> Thomson posts. I can almost imagine that sizing-up, to a 27.0, might 
>>> actually work, but then I'd be worried about it getting hopelessly stuck.
>>>
>>> Maybe I shouldn't worry, I guess. All things being equal, I think I'd 
>>> rather have a seatpost that's a little too tight than a little too snug.
>>>
>>> Anyone have any words of advice and/or reassurance?
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Hillborne drivetrain redo, springtime ramble, 1x sort of, and a bald eagle

[jandrews_nyc]

I've been tinkering with my 1st gen. SH (original green/gold..then powder 
coated black) that I purchased in '09 from Riv.
I'm playing around with a homespun 1x set up with stuff I have here in the 
box.  Today was finally a warm sunny early spring day so I wanted to test 
the bike out.
I'm near the Catskills in New York and the winter has been dragging 
onbut that seems to be wrapping up.  Also, very excited to be riding 
more off road now that I'm up here.
A couple of days ago I took apart the original triple crankset (46/36/24) 
and made it a wide-low double (bash guard/40/26).  I was having shifting 
problems and took the bike to my new local shop operated by fellow RBW 
lister Brian...who straightened my derailleur hanger.  Today I removed the 
front derailleur and front shifter altogether and kept the small chainring 
for a manual bailout in case I needed it.
I also swapped out the Soma supple Vitesse tires for Bruce Gordon RnR 
700x43's at about 35 psi.
The 12-34 8-speed IRD cassette has been great for the past 5 years with the 
triple but I think I'm gonna need to upgrade...maybe to a 13-40 9-speed (is 
there such a thing?)
I just got back from a quick 8 mile ride to get used to the bikeriding 
on pavement, gravel, and straight up wet grass and mud.
This thing is feeling so great...I know the gearing as it is isn't low 
enough and certainly not low enough if I'm going to carry any camping gear. 
 But not even thinking about shifting up front is a very freeing feeling.
That being said, the friction shifting wasn't totally excellent.  Even 
though the derailleur tab was straightened, I suspect the actual derailleur 
cage may be slightly bent as well.  It's also from '09 and I think it may 
be nearing the end of it's life.  I need to work on that a little more.  
A couple questions:  I don't think I'm interested in a clutch derailleur or 
a wide-narrow chainring...but I do want a larger cassette  If I'm to 
keep a normal derailleur ,does it seem wise to add one of those links to 
the hanger? 
If I keep it front-derailleurless but have the granny gear on the 
crank...could I get by with a medium cage rear ?

On my way home I crossed the Rondout Creek and noticed a bald eagle just 
standing ankle-deep in the water along the shore taking drinks of water.  I 
see them often, but never down on the ground or in the water.  

















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[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[Ryan Merrill]

Were those pictures shot on film?

Nice thumbie shot!


>>>

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[RBW] Mt Tam Hunqs

[Kurt Manley]

4 Hunqs from yesterdays ride on Mt Tamalpais in Marin, CA. Thought you 
might enjoy.





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[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[John Hawrylak]

Grant

No disagreement, but are you able to say what the new chainstay length 
is??  Current model is 46cm.  47-48cm  is about the limit for a 116 link 
chain.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Monday, March 26, 2018 at 1:09:21 PM UTC-4, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:

> Just so latecomers know what this is about:
> The new Atlantis is everybit as well made as the old one and sells for a 
> thousand less. The design has evolved, not to sling mud at the old one--a 
> great bike, yes, I think--but because we've ridden bikes with longer 
> chainstays and come to prefer them on smooth flat and rough steep, up or 
> down. It's not a landslide difference, but it is noticeable. It seems 
> unlikely that a noticeable improvement in the rough would come at the cost 
> of a good ride in town, but in fact (opinion), they're both improved. A 
> limo in town, a long surfboard in the oceans..
> Many of the fears or concerns raised are (unavoidably) what I think of as 
> "intellectual-theoretical" concerns that get magnified and solidified with 
> repetition: The bike will be sluggish, it will lack zip, something like 
> that. In my experience (reinforced by others who've ridden it), that's not 
> the case. When I ride the new 56 (the sample of which has chainstays 1cm 
> longer than the production will), to me it feels as "quick" as a bike ought 
> to feel under any circumstances.
> The Atlantis in any form is a dear, dear bike to me. I still have the 
> first prototype. I've ridden every iteration. I'm quite familiar with it. 
> I'm 63 now--which I don't consider to be old at all, but it's sounding that 
> way. I think what I want to say is that I don't ride any differently now, I 
> don't ride different terrain, I am "not going gentle.." or anything. That's 
> not a matter of pride, just a matter of fact. In other words, I am not 
> taking the "classic Atla" and turning it into an old man's bike.
> I wish everybody here with doubts or who is bummed by the new Atlantis 
> could actually ride it. Not measure and form conclusions based on the math; 
> not see the gap and hate it from the get-go. Not let long-held 
> troublemaking aesthetic-proportional dogma get in the way. 
>
> DOWNHILL, how can a longer rear end not be better? UPHILL, the same--less 
> wheelie tendency, better weight distribution. Yesterday's ride (shown here) 
> was up and down steep stuff, had some slop from recent rains, and had tons 
> of normal riding, too.
>
> Ultimately change is always met with controversy and criticism, and that's 
> just life and it's not bad and I LOVE the fact that everybody LOVES the 
> "old" Atlantis. And the old Atlantis is still available. It costs more, but 
> it's there. 
>
> Anyway, thanks to all. What a fun thing!  Longer's not wronger! Both are 
> still available!
>
> B,
>
> Grant
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 4:50:02 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>>
>> This extensive discussion of chainstay length got me to thinking:  how 
>> much difference are we really talking?  Or is the big gap in the photo just 
>> freaking people out?  So I dug out my old Atlantis flyer from before I 
>> bought mine in '03.  Here's some chainstay length figures from the original 
>> design (I presume) and from current web posting:
>>
>> early 2000s:
>>
>> 56 cm (26" wheels):  44 cm
>> 58 cm (700c) :  45.5 cm
>>
>> current (May 2017 chart)
>>
>> 56 cm (650B)  :  47.5 cm
>> 56 cm (26") 46 cm
>> 58 cm (700c)   47 cm
>>
>> Over time, the chainstays have grown somewhat but nothing radical.  Of 
>> course, the large gap and Riv's general evolution to longer chainstays 
>> suggests something even longer, but until geo charts are published, we can 
>> only speculate.  
>>
>> To put the extra length into perspective, I measured the wheelbase of my 
>> 58 cm / 700c bike at +/-107 cm.  From original to current, the 58 cm 
>> chainstays have grown 1.5 cm, extending the wheelbase approx 1.4%.  Going 
>> out on a limb here but I'll guess that's an extremely subtle change, at 
>> best.  
>>
>> Now of course the next question is how the further extension of 
>> chainstays on the MIT version will impact ride, handling, etc.  The 
>> announcement says "made it better here and there" and Grant's use 
>> of the term "...penny" on various measurements suggests pretty subtle 
>> and incremental changes.  Likely they've learned a lot from their trend 
>> toward longer wheelbases as they've been at it for a few years now.  
>> Remember the Mystery Bike project?  And now the production bikes designed 
>> as LWB models?  The Atlantis is such an icon that my guess is they were 
>> pretty darn conservative and didn't do anything that have comprised the 
>> performance.  
>>
>> You gotta trust somebody.  I'll bet on Grant & the elves of Walnut Creek.
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 3:10:48 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> The BLUG today announced an upcoming pre-sale for a less expensive 
>>> Atlantis.  No doubt they will 

[RBW] Deacon Patrick is famous

[iamkeith]

To think, we almost lost track of you for a while there.

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[RBW] Nitto F-16 Handlebar Bag Support

[Michael Doleman]

I'm just curious, has anyone used one of these things:


I looks like a reasonable-enough option. I have a small-ish Ostrich h'bar 
bag that I'd use with it, and this seems like a great simple & lightweight 
option for carrying it. But it also looks like it could potentially be 
problematic. Anyone have experience?

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[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[John G.]

The picks make me wanna swap out the tires on my Atlantis and mount the 
rear rack a bit higher.

Anything that brings more Atlantii into the world is a good thing. 

On Monday, March 26, 2018 at 1:09:21 PM UTC-4, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:
>
> Just so latecomers know what this is about:
> The new Atlantis is everybit as well made as the old one and sells for a 
> thousand less. The design has evolved, not to sling mud at the old one--a 
> great bike, yes, I think--but because we've ridden bikes with longer 
> chainstays and come to prefer them on smooth flat and rough steep, up or 
> down. It's not a landslide difference, but it is noticeable. It seems 
> unlikely that a noticeable improvement in the rough would come at the cost 
> of a good ride in town, but in fact (opinion), they're both improved. A 
> limo in town, a long surfboard in the oceans..
> Many of the fears or concerns raised are (unavoidably) what I think of as 
> "intellectual-theoretical" concerns that get magnified and solidified with 
> repetition: The bike will be sluggish, it will lack zip, something like 
> that. In my experience (reinforced by others who've ridden it), that's not 
> the case. When I ride the new 56 (the sample of which has chainstays 1cm 
> longer than the production will), to me it feels as "quick" as a bike ought 
> to feel under any circumstances.
> The Atlantis in any form is a dear, dear bike to me. I still have the 
> first prototype. I've ridden every iteration. I'm quite familiar with it. 
> I'm 63 now--which I don't consider to be old at all, but it's sounding that 
> way. I think what I want to say is that I don't ride any differently now, I 
> don't ride different terrain, I am "not going gentle.." or anything. That's 
> not a matter of pride, just a matter of fact. In other words, I am not 
> taking the "classic Atla" and turning it into an old man's bike.
> I wish everybody here with doubts or who is bummed by the new Atlantis 
> could actually ride it. Not measure and form conclusions based on the math; 
> not see the gap and hate it from the get-go. Not let long-held 
> troublemaking aesthetic-proportional dogma get in the way. 
>
> DOWNHILL, how can a longer rear end not be better? UPHILL, the same--less 
> wheelie tendency, better weight distribution. Yesterday's ride (shown here) 
> was up and down steep stuff, had some slop from recent rains, and had tons 
> of normal riding, too.
>
> Ultimately change is always met with controversy and criticism, and that's 
> just life and it's not bad and I LOVE the fact that everybody LOVES the 
> "old" Atlantis. And the old Atlantis is still available. It costs more, but 
> it's there. 
>
> Anyway, thanks to all. What a fun thing!  Longer's not wronger! Both are 
> still available!
>
> B,
>
> Grant
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 4:50:02 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>>
>> This extensive discussion of chainstay length got me to thinking:  how 
>> much difference are we really talking?  Or is the big gap in the photo just 
>> freaking people out?  So I dug out my old Atlantis flyer from before I 
>> bought mine in '03.  Here's some chainstay length figures from the original 
>> design (I presume) and from current web posting:
>>
>> early 2000s:
>>
>> 56 cm (26" wheels):  44 cm
>> 58 cm (700c) :  45.5 cm
>>
>> current (May 2017 chart)
>>
>> 56 cm (650B)  :  47.5 cm
>> 56 cm (26") 46 cm
>> 58 cm (700c)   47 cm
>>
>> Over time, the chainstays have grown somewhat but nothing radical.  Of 
>> course, the large gap and Riv's general evolution to longer chainstays 
>> suggests something even longer, but until geo charts are published, we can 
>> only speculate.  
>>
>> To put the extra length into perspective, I measured the wheelbase of my 
>> 58 cm / 700c bike at +/-107 cm.  From original to current, the 58 cm 
>> chainstays have grown 1.5 cm, extending the wheelbase approx 1.4%.  Going 
>> out on a limb here but I'll guess that's an extremely subtle change, at 
>> best.  
>>
>> Now of course the next question is how the further extension of 
>> chainstays on the MIT version will impact ride, handling, etc.  The 
>> announcement says "made it better here and there" and Grant's use 
>> of the term "...penny" on various measurements suggests pretty subtle 
>> and incremental changes.  Likely they've learned a lot from their trend 
>> toward longer wheelbases as they've been at it for a few years now.  
>> Remember the Mystery Bike project?  And now the production bikes designed 
>> as LWB models?  The Atlantis is such an icon that my guess is they were 
>> pretty darn conservative and didn't do anything that have comprised the 
>> performance.  
>>
>> You gotta trust somebody.  I'll bet on Grant & the elves of Walnut Creek.
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 3:10:48 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> The BLUG today announced an upcoming pre-sale for a less expensive 
>>> Atlantis.  No doubt they will be made in Taiwan.  

[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[Ryan Merrill]

There is a slight selling point to the long chainstays that I'll point out 
but it isn't at all Riv'ish but I'm gonna say it anyway.

So, I stuck Sram etap on my cross bike and found out rather quickly that 
the battery for the front derailer limits the tire size in the rear, and it 
makes a really nice place for mud and grime to ge all over...basically 
another place where mud can slow you down or even take out the 
batter/derailer and cause some damage. So, on that bike if I were to keep 
the etap on it, I would be limited to a 33mm tire, barely, which is fine in 
a cross race but blows for gravel riding. It's a problem of short 
chainstays (and sram's electronic shifting.) The bike no longer has etap on 
it. 

Now, on a Riv with their nicely spaced out chainstays, running etap poses 
no problems. (not that too many people are going to run etap on a riv, but 
I'm just saying)

On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 5:10:48 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:

> The BLUG today announced an upcoming pre-sale for a less expensive 
> Atlantis.  No doubt they will be made in Taiwan.  The pricing hint is "a 
> tad more than an Appaloosa".  Is it good that Rivendell is evolving?  I say 
> yes.  Is it a little sad that the Atlantis is changing?  I say sure, a 
> little.  I'd bet a dollar that some of their recent cashflow worries came 
> from the financials around this change.  Made to order frames are expensive 
> but cost you nothing until somebody wants to buy one.  Taiwan builds have 
> to be done in expensive pre-paid runs, which require a bunch of cash on 
> hand.  
>
> The curved double TT of the biggest size was on instagram I think.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA 
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[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[Deacon Patrick]

Always trust a man in plaid!
(rhymes with glade when properly pronounced)
Grin.

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: '09 Sam Redux

[Bill Lindsay]

mega-APPROVE

BL in EC

On Monday, March 26, 2018 at 10:59:51 AM UTC-7, Bob K. wrote:
>
> I almost sold my ‘09 canti Sam this spring in favor of something with disc 
> brakes and travel couplers. I still may go that direction, but I’m 
> practicing contentment for one more year and keeping the Sam. I decided to 
> give it a makeover, however, and I can say after a quick 10 miles with 800 
> feet of climbing through suburban Baltimore this afternoon that the new 
> handlebar, brakes, and shifter setup feels great. I went with an 80mm VO 
> stem with removable faceplate, 46cm Salsa Cowchipper bar, Dura Ace levers 
> and Silver Shifters bought from a lister, and Tektro interrupter levers. I 
> haven’t wrapped the bars just yet, as I’m still tweaking lever positions, 
> but I can’t believe I waited so long to try drop bars on this bike—for the 
> record, I’ve tried original mustache, Albatross, and Albastache bars 
> previously, and at first feel, this is my favorite setup so far.
>
> I also bought my first bell from Riv during the Hail Mary, and I used it 
> today. There's something about the ding of a bell that is just plain fun.
>
> Attached are a few sort of bad pictures for your perusal.
>
> Happy spring, folks!
>
> Bob K. in Baltimore
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[RBW] Deacon Patrick is famous

[Deacon Patrick]

There are a few options, Bill. The first requires setting the timer on the 
iPhone and chucking it in the air and catching it after. This tends to yield 
poor results and extensive phone damage. Alternatively, as I’ve learned to do, 
a Gorilla pod for iPhone hugs tree branches and holds the phone. Then I use a 
timer and burst mode. This yields better results and costs less, presuming no 
need to replace the phone each photo shoot. Grin. Pro Hint, (or at least a 
be-less-of-a-moron hint): remove the tripod when you remove the phone to check 
your shots, lest you have to backtrack miles and remember where you put it when 
you realize you don’t have the tripod a few miles later (if you’re lucky! 
Grin.).

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[RBW] WTB: Banana Sax bag

[Pancake]

I'm looking to add some storage to my Cheviot and the Banana sax bag is 
just the right size, but a bit steep brand new. Anyone (in the Bay Area 
hopefully) have one they're willing to part with? All colors are good, 
though green is not my favorite it still works too.

Thanks,
Abe

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[RBW] Re: Deacon Patrick is famous

[Austin]

It is a great photo. Most of us (me included) who ride solo much of the 
time are resigned to taking photos of our inanimate bikes leaning up 
against things. DP manages some great action shots. One can only assume the 
use of a tripod and maybe time-lapse photography? A simple camera timer 
might be too hard to time just so.

-Austin B. 
Sykesville, MD

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[RBW] Re: '09 Sam Redux

[Austin]

Looks great! Good thinking on the VO stem to fit the 31.8 Cowchipper bar. 
I've never seen a Cowchipper in-person but people seem to really like them.

-Austin

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[RBW] Deacon Patrick is famous

[Bill Lindsay]

I went to www.rivbike.com to check on a couple things that needed checking, 
and I saw their front page photo is Deacon Patrick rumbling through the 
snow.  It's a great photo.  Deacon, are all those selfies done completely 
solo, with a tripod and a timer?  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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[RBW] Re: Thomson Elite Seatpost -- 26.8 -- with New Sam H.: Seems... Small...?

[Clayton.sf]

I have solved a few slipping post issues by sizing up the post by .2mm.
Oddly enough all 3 of them have been Reynolds tubing.

If I were you I'd buy the next size up and see what it does.

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

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[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[Joe Bernard]

- I’ll say this: that’s my favorite Grant “thumbs up” picture ever. -

Yes! 

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[RBW] Re: WTB/ Double kickstand recommendations (non-pletscher)

[Kieran J]

I've been using an Ursus Jumbo on my Bantam porteur for past year or two - 
works great, super solid. Heavy as a rock though.

KJ


On Sunday, March 25, 2018 at 7:08:57 PM UTC-7, Drw wrote:
>
> Looking for a double kickstand for rosco mtn mixte imminent baby hauler. I 
> had a pletscher a while back that started mangling a kickstand plate and 
> I’d rather not do that again. 
> Anybody have any recommendations for something solid that won’t rip off a 
> welded kickstand plate? 
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Re: [RBW] Re: What underseat bags work on sprung Brooks?

[Patrick Moore]

Ahhh, what fun would life be if we couldn't fret about things that really
don't need fretting about? This list would quickly die without fretting.

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 11:53 AM, lconley  wrote:

> [...] I think you may be overthinking - imagining a problem that really
> doesn't exist - seems to be a common thing around here..
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB Carradice Bagman

[Patrick Moore]

Oh, one big benefit of the "Classic" is that it is fully and very simply QR
-- unstrap, lift, remove both support and bag. (Even better in that regard
than the SQR, since it leaves nothing behind on saddle or post, while the
SQR block remains attached to post.)

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 11:54 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I almost bought one of these, but figgered it wouldn't hold the Nelson
> high enough on the 29 1/2"-tired Matthews (I use instead a Super C Slim SQR
> combo, a wonderful setup). But these look elegant, tho' they need
> Brooks-type loops to hook the hooks into.
>
> GBP 26/-.
>
> https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/luggage/carradice-classic-
> saddlebag-rack/?geoc=US
>
> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 8:16 AM, Paul Choi  wrote:
>
>> My first time seeing the Tailfeather. It looks like a well made product.
>> The site shows that they are sold out.
>> Does anyone have one, comment on it?
>>
>> On Sunday, March 25, 2018 at 5:03:42 AM UTC-7, Wally Estrella wrote:
>>>
>>> http://www.theyellowbirdsociety.com/tailfeather/
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 24, 2018 at 6:08:19 PM UTC-4, Jonathan D. wrote:

 I am looking for a Carradice Bagman for a medium saddlesack. I think I
 need the large. I am hoping to avoid putting a rack on a Rambouillet. I use
 a Medium saddlesack now on it now when I ride to work.   Also if anybody
 has suggestions for alternatives that would be appreciated.
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB Carradice Bagman

[Patrick Moore]

I almost bought one of these, but figgered it wouldn't hold the Nelson high
enough on the 29 1/2"-tired Matthews (I use instead a Super C Slim SQR
combo, a wonderful setup). But these look elegant, tho' they need
Brooks-type loops to hook the hooks into.

GBP 26/-.

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> My first time seeing the Tailfeather. It looks like a well made product.
> The site shows that they are sold out.
> Does anyone have one, comment on it?
>
> On Sunday, March 25, 2018 at 5:03:42 AM UTC-7, Wally Estrella wrote:
>>
>> http://www.theyellowbirdsociety.com/tailfeather/
>>
>> On Saturday, March 24, 2018 at 6:08:19 PM UTC-4, Jonathan D. wrote:
>>>
>>> I am looking for a Carradice Bagman for a medium saddlesack. I think I
>>> need the large. I am hoping to avoid putting a rack on a Rambouillet. I use
>>> a Medium saddlesack now on it now when I ride to work.   Also if anybody
>>> has suggestions for alternatives that would be appreciated.
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[RBW] Re: What underseat bags work on sprung Brooks?

[lconley]

Note that Brooks, who know a thing or two about saddles, provide saddle 
loops on the saddle, above the springs. The Brooks springs on Flyers. 
B66s, B-67s and B-73s are very, very, very stiff and don't really move 
much. I am very overweight (obese) and if the springs are going to 
compress, they will compress for me. I just attach my bags to the normal 
saddle loops and never think about it again. I think you may be 
overthinking - imagining a problem that really doesn't exist - seems to be 
a common thing around here..

Laing
Cocoa FL


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[RBW] Re: Cockpit Items - For Sale

[Mat Grewe]

Just the bar end pods are still available.  Everything else has been sold.

   - Silver bar end shifter PODS ONLY - Lightly used - $25

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[RBW] Re: WTB Carradice Bagman

[Brett Callahan]

I have one.  I've only had mine for a week or so, but am happy with it so 
far. Initial impressions are that it is a well made product by a great guy 
here in the Portland area (he's across the river in Washington.)

The finishing is excellent, it is easy to install, and seems sturdy. You 
can flip the attachment points to get increased bag clearance if needed. 
There's a small amount of adjustability to move the bag closer or further 
from the seat. While I can't comment personally as to long term durability 
yet, I know that Shawn Granton has one of the prototypes and I believe he's 
been very happy with it. Maybe he'll chime in. 

One caution: with the short rails on most brooks saddles, you need to have 
the saddle most of the way back in order to mount the attachments, which 
install to the rails behind the seatpost. Not an issue for most, I would 
expect, but if you run your saddle all the way forward, you might have to 
get creative. 

-Brett

On Monday, March 26, 2018 at 7:16:45 AM UTC-7, Paul Choi wrote:
>
> My first time seeing the Tailfeather. It looks like a well made product. 
> The site shows that they are sold out. 
> Does anyone have one, comment on it? 
>
> On Sunday, March 25, 2018 at 5:03:42 AM UTC-7, Wally Estrella wrote:
>>
>> http://www.theyellowbirdsociety.com/tailfeather/
>>
>> On Saturday, March 24, 2018 at 6:08:19 PM UTC-4, Jonathan D. wrote:
>>>
>>> I am looking for a Carradice Bagman for a medium saddlesack. I think I 
>>> need the large. I am hoping to avoid putting a rack on a Rambouillet. I use 
>>> a Medium saddlesack now on it now when I ride to work.   Also if anybody 
>>> has suggestions for alternatives that would be appreciated.
>>
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Re: [RBW] FS: Deuter Rack Pack 2 Panniers $15 + shipping

[Patrick Moore]

Randy: You did mean to post "$150.00", right?

If not, I'll takem!

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 11:45 AM, Randall Rupp  wrote:

> Set of two (2) rear panniers, slate gray, blue, with some orange, 48L
> capacity, integrated rain covers.  Bought in 2008 and in great condition,
> used on 3 week-long tours around VA and NC.  $15 + shipping (CONUS).
>
> I can send photo(s) if there's interest, but you can see a similar set
> here:  https://aushiker.com/deuter-rack-pack-ii/
>
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[RBW] Re: Thomson Elite Seatpost -- 26.8 -- with New Sam H.: Seems... Small...?

[Michael Doleman]

Yeah, I hear you. My hunch is that it's totally fine and 10 minutes into my 
first ride I'll have forgotten all about it.

Main thing is I just wanted to see if someone had some sort of definitive 
information to the effect of it definitely not being advisable to use a 
Thomson seatpost with a Sam, or whatever...

I had an older Sam, with a 27.2 post, and that also was a Thomson. No 
issues. I can't seem to recall the "looseness" factor on that one, though.




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>
> For the money, if it’s wrong, they’ll replace it for free with no 
> questions asked, I would wager.  Cross that bridge when you get to it. 
> Regardless, it should be ‘right’ so you can stop thinking about it, and 
> move on to enjoying your bike. 
>
> Bill Lindsay 
> El Cerrito Ca. 

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Re: [RBW] 'Stasche Brake Lever Opinions

[Patrick Moore]

The big advantage of non-aero levers is that, when you find that you've cut
your cable and housing too short, you don't have to unwrap the bar to fix
your mistake. I'm using a (= 1, one only) nice, retro, Shimano aero lever
on my M bar, on the Hon Solo, and in attempt to make the housing more tidy,
I had shortened it before I installed an extender to hold the bar further
for'ard of the steering "mast". Now it's finicky to fold the mast and bar,
so I'll have to untape, reinstall, and re tape, and I hate taping bars.

Apart from that, no, IME, pretty extensive with the original issue M bar,
this is one bar where aero and non aero levers both work as well, and very
well -- assuming you install them per the original Grantian instructions,
with clamps just for'ard of the bar's curves.

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 8:47 AM, Minh  wrote:

> I've joined the brotherhood of the traveling handlebars and i'm giving
> 'Stache bars another chance with a set being passed on to me--i tried the
> old mustache bars and while i liked them, i liked the albatross bars better
> (not a fair fight i think), since the new albastache bars are more like
> albatross bars maybe this will be the perfect combo.
>
> One thing i had not considered, i used non-aero levers last time.  Are
> there pros/cons of aero levers vs non-aero with 'stache style bars?  I've
> got both options in the parts bin so can go either way...
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[RBW] FS: Albastache, 80mm Technomic, B17 Honey

[Bob K.]

Hi Folks,

Few things for sale! Please respond privately for pictures or to purchase/make 
offers.

Albastache: good condition, some scratching near clamp, tape residue, $50 plus 
actual shipping. (Last time I sent a mustache bar it was like $12-15.)

80mm Technomic--good condition: $30 shipped

B17 (Honey)--Used condition, some scuffs, could use some stitching: $55 shipped

Bar + Stem combo--$70 plus actual shipping

Everything combo: $125 shipped

Thanks!

Bob K. in Baltimore

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[RBW] FS: Deuter Rack Pack 2 Panniers $15 + shipping

[Randall Rupp]

Set of two (2) rear panniers, slate gray, blue, with some orange, 48L
capacity, integrated rain covers.  Bought in 2008 and in great condition,
used on 3 week-long tours around VA and NC.  $15 + shipping (CONUS).

I can send photo(s) if there's interest, but you can see a similar set
here:  https://aushiker.com/deuter-rack-pack-ii/

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[Patrick Moore]

I've only been reading this thread sporadically, but just noticed that the
new Atlantis has 47.5 chainstays in the larger sizes. I know that even some
'70s road race bikes had 44.5 stays (to center of long dropouts; 45 to
end); wasn't 47-8 pretty typical touring bike stay length back in the day?

Patrick Moore, who just had a cm or so added to the 44.5 (to center of
horizontal dropout) cm stays of his '99 gofast, thanks to Chauncey-added,
longer-than-1010 horizontal (forward facing) dropouts from England (to
accommodate a 46 X 15 cruising gear and an old-man-just-turned-63-myself 46
X 19 or 20 Tramway climb gear). (24 3/4" diameter wheels, btw.)

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[RBW] Re: Thomson Elite Seatpost -- 26.8 -- with New Sam H.: Seems... Small...?

[Bill Lindsay]

For the money, if it’s wrong, they’ll replace it for free with no questions 
asked, I would wager.  Cross that bridge when you get to it. Regardless, it 
should be ‘right’ so you can stop thinking about it, and move on to enjoying 
your bike. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito Ca. 

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[RBW] What underseat bags work on sprung Brooks?

[Joe Bernard]

This is bigger than you're looking for, but a good illustration of hanging bags 
under a springer saddle. Just loop the straps through the bottom of the springs 
instead of saddle loops..works great with this small Saddlesack and should work 
well with an extra small, also. I have a RuthWorks wedgy bag that would fit 
well here, too. 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/NwxUVFJz68YunNFy1

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[RBW] Re: Thomson Elite Seatpost -- 26.8 -- with New Sam H.: Seems... Small...?

[Michael Doleman]

Yeah, that sounds reasonable. For the money, it's annoying to have to think 
that the Thomson post would be the problem. The bike came with a Dajia 
post, which I'm fine with using, were it a zero-setback post. I can't right 
now recall that it was like, pulling it out. I will check, with it.

Also totally agree about the bolt binding -- that could definitely be part 
of the issue. I didn't disassemble it to specifically apply grease to the 
interface points. I'll do that and see what happens.

The way the binder area on the Sam is reinforced, I have very little worry 
about any damage, there. It's more about not wanting to have to 
over-tighten anything, and not wanting to have to be thinking about it 
while I ride. I've had saddles move, on me, while riding, and it's 
unnerving.

Anyway, thanks for the tips. I'll check it out with the Dajia and see what 
I can see.



On Monday, March 26, 2018 at 10:18:25 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I have a few thoughts. First off, when in doubt, call Riv. Second, I have 
> experience with many Rivendell seat lugs. They are very stout and so it 
> does take some force to get the seatpost clamp bolt tight. Also, it is 
> possible for the head of the bolt to bind in its hole, making it feel 
> tighter than it is. The classic indicator of that type of binding is it 
> will kind of chirp at you as you loosen it. Make sure there’s greas on that 
> interface under the head of the bolt. Finally I’ve heard anecdotal stuff 
> about Thomson having tolerance issues.  Try any other 26.8mm post, 
> preferably another brand. If a different post behaves better, then you 
> Thomson post is more likely the issue. 
>
> Bill Lindsay 
> El Cerrito Ca 

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[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[Bill Lindsay]

I’ll say this: that’s my favorite Grant “thumbs up” picture ever. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito Ca

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[RBW] Thomson Elite Seatpost -- 26.8 -- with New Sam H.: Seems... Small...?

[Bill Lindsay]

I have a few thoughts. First off, when in doubt, call Riv. Second, I have 
experience with many Rivendell seat lugs. They are very stout and so it does 
take some force to get the seatpost clamp bolt tight. Also, it is possible for 
the head of the bolt to bind in its hole, making it feel tighter than it is. 
The classic indicator of that type of binding is it will kind of chirp at you 
as you loosen it. Make sure there’s greas on that interface under the head of 
the bolt. Finally I’ve heard anecdotal stuff about Thomson having tolerance 
issues.  Try any other 26.8mm post, preferably another brand. If a different 
post behaves better, then you Thomson post is more likely the issue. 

Bill Lindsay 
El Cerrito Ca 

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[RBW] Re: Thomson Elite Seatpost -- 26.8 -- with New Sam H.: Seems... Small...?

[Michael Doleman]

Well, it would be a 0.2mm difference, not a full 2mm, but point still 
taken: I agree that in a perfect world I don't want to do anything as 
drastic as using a wrong-sized seatpost.

I don't know that I'd trust my reading of my analog/non-dial calipers to 
accurately reflect what would likely be far less than a half millimeter 
difference.

I definitely don't see any eyeball-noticeable deformation of the binder, as 
I tighten it up, and I can say with fairly strong assurance that there's 
nothing amiss with the threading of the actual bolt. That all seems fine. I 
just don't care for how much I seem to have to tighten things up to make it 
work. Reason being, of course, the looser the post in the slot, the more 
the constriction pressure is directed against one particular circumference 
of the post, and that introduces what could be a higher-than-desired stress 
riser on the post (I would assume).

I've had a similar issue with other bikes, in the past, and ultimately it 
was all fine. But I am mainly wondering if anyone else has had similar 
experiences. I'm more used to some very small amount of force being needed 
to install the seatpost, even when the binder is completely loose. In the 
case with the Thomson/Sam, there is absolutely no force at all needed. The 
post would simple fall straight down if you dropped it into the tube -- and 
that just doesn't *seem* quite right to me, for whatever reason.









On Monday, March 26, 2018 at 9:37:41 AM UTC-7, Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>
> Hi Michael,
>
> If possible, I'd take a caliper measurement of both the post outer 
> diameter and the seatube inner diameter to be sure if either (or both) are 
> slightly out of spec.
>
> Going up 2mm would not likely work in your favor if the seatube is spec'd 
> correctly at 26.8.
>
> I also wonder if the binder bolt and nut could be contributing somehow and 
> binding or somewhat cross threading?  Riv seatbinders take easy to find 
> metric bolts so you could try an alternate of the same size.
>
>  Out of curiosity, do you notice the ears of the seatlug binder pinching 
> or deforming such that they get close to touching and bridging the gap when 
> tightened enough to hold the post sufficiently?  Wondering as I have 
> experienced too small posts before (not posts manufactured out of spec... 
> but undersized posts that had been used on frames designed for larger 
> diameter posts.)
>
> One was a hand-me-down frame that came into my possession with a 26.2 
> installed and a heavily deformed seatbinder.  This frame turned out 
> to require a 26.8 post after spreading the binder back apart and the 6mm 
> difference was significant and easily noticeable.
>
> On the other hand, another frame called for a 30.9 post and the stock post 
> was too short for me.  I had a much longer 27.2 post and a 27.2-30.8 shim 
> available and the 1mm difference of the 30.8 shim vs 30.9 seatbinder was 
> minimal enough to not cause any noticeable deformation but definitely 
> noticeable when tightening since it required much greater effort to get it 
> nice and snug.
>
> Brian Cole
> Lawrenceville NJ
>
>
>
> On Monday, March 26, 2018 at 11:44:36 AM UTC-4, Michael Doleman wrote:
>
>> Just wanted to get some advice, here.
>>
>> I am building my new Sam Hillborne, which takes a 26.8 seatpost. For the 
>> size of frame I use, unless I get a ridiculously short stem (like, 6cm), I 
>> need a zero-setback seatpost. Especially if I want there to be space behind 
>> the saddle to use my Carradice Bagman uplift. I tend to like the feel of a 
>> zero-setback post, anyway, though.
>>
>> The only really nice, zero-setback post that I know of, in a 26.8 size, 
>> is Thomson, so that's what I got. It looks great on the bike, but -- man -- 
>> does it ever seem a bit narrow in diameter. I can tighten it down such that 
>> it does, indeed, seem to be properly static in the slot, but I *really* 
>> have to tighten the bolt down hard. Enough so that I'm slightly worried 
>> about it and wanted to know if anyone else has had similar experiences with 
>> Thomson posts. I can almost imagine that sizing-up, to a 27.0, might 
>> actually work, but then I'd be worried about it getting hopelessly stuck.
>>
>> Maybe I shouldn't worry, I guess. All things being equal, I think I'd 
>> rather have a seatpost that's a little too tight than a little too snug.
>>
>> Anyone have any words of advice and/or reassurance?
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] What underseat bags work on sprung Brooks?

[REC]

I strap a smallish, inexpensive bag to the seat rails and keep my fix-it 
items in there.  A Carradice Zipped Roll on the saddle bag loops would work 
(would also probably work strapped to the rails).

Another option is to put a roll tool bag or a water bottle filled with 
tools in a water cage.  I was thinking about putting my tools in a water 
bottle cage located on the underside of my down tube.  Out of the way and 
they will stay dry.

Roberta

On Sunday, March 25, 2018 at 9:08:27 PM UTC-4, Drw wrote:

> Yeah anything that doesn’t hook underneath the saddle too much, and sits 
> off the rear is good. The carradice style bags all work and the banana bags 
> are good too. 

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[RBW] Re: Thomson Elite Seatpost -- 26.8 -- with New Sam H.: Seems... Small...?

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Hi Michael,

If possible, I'd take a caliper measurement of both the post outer 
diameter and the seatube inner diameter to be sure if either (or both) are 
slightly out of spec.

Going up 2mm would not likely work in your favor if the seatube is spec'd 
correctly at 26.8.

I also wonder if the binder bolt and nut could be contributing somehow and 
binding or somewhat cross threading?  Riv seatbinders take easy to find 
metric bolts so you could try an alternate of the same size.

 Out of curiosity, do you notice the ears of the seatlug binder pinching or 
deforming such that they get close to touching and bridging the gap when 
tightened enough to hold the post sufficiently?  Wondering as I have 
experienced too small posts before (not posts manufactured out of spec... 
but undersized posts that had been used on frames designed for larger 
diameter posts.)

One was a hand-me-down frame that came into my possession with a 26.2 
installed and a heavily deformed seatbinder.  This frame turned out 
to require a 26.8 post after spreading the binder back apart and the 6mm 
difference was significant and easily noticeable.

On the other hand, another frame called for a 30.9 post and the stock post 
was too short for me.  I had a much longer 27.2 post and a 27.2-30.8 shim 
available and the 1mm difference of the 30.8 shim vs 30.9 seatbinder was 
minimal enough to not cause any noticeable deformation but definitely 
noticeable when tightening since it required much greater effort to get it 
nice and snug.

Brian Cole
Lawrenceville NJ



On Monday, March 26, 2018 at 11:44:36 AM UTC-4, Michael Doleman wrote:

> Just wanted to get some advice, here.
>
> I am building my new Sam Hillborne, which takes a 26.8 seatpost. For the 
> size of frame I use, unless I get a ridiculously short stem (like, 6cm), I 
> need a zero-setback seatpost. Especially if I want there to be space behind 
> the saddle to use my Carradice Bagman uplift. I tend to like the feel of a 
> zero-setback post, anyway, though.
>
> The only really nice, zero-setback post that I know of, in a 26.8 size, is 
> Thomson, so that's what I got. It looks great on the bike, but -- man -- 
> does it ever seem a bit narrow in diameter. I can tighten it down such that 
> it does, indeed, seem to be properly static in the slot, but I *really* 
> have to tighten the bolt down hard. Enough so that I'm slightly worried 
> about it and wanted to know if anyone else has had similar experiences with 
> Thomson posts. I can almost imagine that sizing-up, to a 27.0, might 
> actually work, but then I'd be worried about it getting hopelessly stuck.
>
> Maybe I shouldn't worry, I guess. All things being equal, I think I'd 
> rather have a seatpost that's a little too tight than a little too snug.
>
> Anyone have any words of advice and/or reassurance?
>

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Re: [RBW] 'Stasche Brake Lever Opinions

[Joe Bernard]

I've used both and they both work, I'm not sure what "weird twist" you're 
referring to. With aero levers the cable comes straight out along the bar 
towards the stem so you tape over it, then it curves down from the end of the 
tape to the brakes. Easy peasy. 

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[RBW] Thomson Elite Seatpost -- 26.8 -- with New Sam H.: Seems... Small...?

[Michael Doleman]

Just wanted to get some advice, here.

I am building my new Sam Hillborne, which takes a 26.8 seatpost. For the 
size of frame I use, unless I get a ridiculously short stem (like, 6cm), I 
need a zero-setback seatpost. Especially if I want there to be space behind 
the saddle to use my Carradice Bagman uplift. I tend to like the feel of a 
zero-setback post, anyway, though.

The only really nice, zero-setback post that I know of, in a 26.8 size, is 
Thomson, so that's what I got. It looks great on the bike, but -- man -- 
does it ever seem a bit narrow in diameter. I can tighten it down such that 
it does, indeed, seem to be properly static in the slot, but I *really* 
have to tighten the bolt down hard. Enough so that I'm slightly worried 
about it and wanted to know if anyone else has had similar experiences with 
Thomson posts. I can almost imagine that sizing-up, to a 27.0, might 
actually work, but then I'd be worried about it getting hopelessly stuck.

Maybe I shouldn't worry, I guess. All things being equal, I think I'd 
rather have a seatpost that's a little too tight than a little too snug.

Anyone have any words of advice and/or reassurance?

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[RBW] Re: 'Stasche Brake Lever Opinions

[Kainalu V.]

My LBS gave me a set of dura-ace non-aero levers and that's what I'm loving 
of late on my albastaches. The non-aero seem like they work better in that 
part of my brain that figures simplicity must make for a bettering, but I 
haven't noticed any difference in function.
-Kai
BK NY


On Monday, March 26, 2018 at 10:47:21 AM UTC-4, Minh wrote:
>
> I've joined the brotherhood of the traveling handlebars and i'm giving 
> 'Stache bars another chance with a set being passed on to me--i tried the 
> old mustache bars and while i liked them, i liked the albatross bars better 
> (not a fair fight i think), since the new albastache bars are more like 
> albatross bars maybe this will be the perfect combo.  
>
> One thing i had not considered, i used non-aero levers last time.  Are 
> there pros/cons of aero levers vs non-aero with 'stache style bars?  I've 
> got both options in the parts bin so can go either way...
>

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Re: [RBW] 'Stasche Brake Lever Opinions

[Tim Gavin]

Non-aero road brake levers on moustache/albastache bars have perfect cable
routing.  Aero road brake levers add a weird twist in the cable housing.



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> I've joined the brotherhood of the traveling handlebars and i'm giving
> 'Stache bars another chance with a set being passed on to me--i tried the
> old mustache bars and while i liked them, i liked the albatross bars better
> (not a fair fight i think), since the new albastache bars are more like
> albatross bars maybe this will be the perfect combo.
>
> One thing i had not considered, i used non-aero levers last time.  Are
> there pros/cons of aero levers vs non-aero with 'stache style bars?  I've
> got both options in the parts bin so can go either way...
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[RBW] 'Stasche Brake Lever Opinions

[Minh]

I've joined the brotherhood of the traveling handlebars and i'm giving 
'Stache bars another chance with a set being passed on to me--i tried the 
old mustache bars and while i liked them, i liked the albatross bars better 
(not a fair fight i think), since the new albastache bars are more like 
albatross bars maybe this will be the perfect combo.  

One thing i had not considered, i used non-aero levers last time.  Are 
there pros/cons of aero levers vs non-aero with 'stache style bars?  I've 
got both options in the parts bin so can go either way...

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[RBW] Re: WTB Carradice Bagman

[Paul Choi]

My first time seeing the Tailfeather. It looks like a well made product. 
The site shows that they are sold out. 
Does anyone have one, comment on it? 

On Sunday, March 25, 2018 at 5:03:42 AM UTC-7, Wally Estrella wrote:
>
> http://www.theyellowbirdsociety.com/tailfeather/
>
> On Saturday, March 24, 2018 at 6:08:19 PM UTC-4, Jonathan D. wrote:
>>
>> I am looking for a Carradice Bagman for a medium saddlesack. I think I 
>> need the large. I am hoping to avoid putting a rack on a Rambouillet. I use 
>> a Medium saddlesack now on it now when I ride to work.   Also if anybody 
>> has suggestions for alternatives that would be appreciated.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone have a spare Rivendell mug they're willing to part with?

[REC]

I had seen this mug on the website, but wouldn't have spent $30 for a mug 
for my self.  A gift for a friend, no problem!  However when I saw how nice 
it was, I sprung for a gift for my self and it sounds like I might have 
gotten the last one.  I noticed something in the wording between the first 
and last lines that I hadn't noticed before.  The first line reads 
"rivendell bicycle works" [sic], the last line reads "rivendell bicycles 
work" [sic].  

The second line is a series of bikes--bike with dog in basket (now known as 
Leah's dog in basket), double top tub, mixte, etc.The graphics are 
around the entire mug, so is good for lefty's as much as right handed 
people (in case Riv orders another batch, some might like to know).

Roberta


On Monday, March 26, 2018 at 2:22:06 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

> +1. I have no use for a Rivendell coffee mug, but I'd buy a Rivendell beer 
> tankard, as long as it were big enough for the normal, righteous, 
> human-scale serving, the British or Imperial Pint, 19 oz and a bit. At 
> least.
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>> Maybe they could put out a tankard or flagon this time.
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Re: [RBW] VeloLumino Fender Light durability/feedback

[Ron Mc]

I've dropped my Cygo headlights so many times that if you could damage 
LEDs, I would have done it already - hasn't happened.  

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Re: [RBW] VeloLumino Fender Light durability/feedback

[Peter White]

FYI:

I import Spanninga's "Pixeo Protector" in both chrome and black finish. So
you can have your Pixeo and whack it too.

http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/spanninga.php

Peter White

On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 8:49 PM, Ray Varella 
wrote:

> I’ve bumped mine quite a few times and there is no visible sign of having
> done so.
>
> I was also careful not to over tighten the mounting nut so it has a very
> tiny bit of wiggle room. Not because it’s loose but because I didn’t cinch
> it so tight as to distort the fender.
>
> All in all, I’ve been very satisfied with the light.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone have a spare Rivendell mug they're willing to part with?

[Patrick Moore]

+1. I have no use for a Rivendell coffee mug, but I'd buy a Rivendell beer
tankard, as long as it were big enough for the normal, righteous,
human-scale serving, the British or Imperial Pint, 19 oz and a bit. At
least.

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