[RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[Philip Williamson]

You have a bow, and murder Persians. And impregnate half the world. 
#mongolianstyle #genghisbike

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

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[RBW] Re: The ups and downs of my Clem Smith Jr

[Joe Bernard]

Brian, there's a thread around here somewhere called Orange Roadini with some 
pics. I finally finished it up last week, I'm going to get a ride tomorrow and 
take some new shots. 

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[RBW] Re: ATTN: Mass and Boston Folks: Builders Ball?

['Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I live a 15-minute walk from the venue but found out about this only a few 
days ago and will be out of town until Sunday night.  I'm bummed I won't be 
going, but I understand it's an annual event, right?

Nothing loaded when I clicked your link so I can't comment on the 
bikability of your route except to say that Boston has a good bike culture 
but in general it's slow going with all the traffic and lights.  Bike lanes 
are plentiful and well-marked.  

Hope you have fun.  I'm envious.  

Dave

>
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[RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[M Talley]

I just mentioned the very rim that this bike needs in a post over at the 
650b group. The nature of that lament was the inability to get many rim 
brake 650b rims out of the supply source I checked. I looked no farther 
than QBP but even they don't sell the Alex rim that is stock on the Surly 
Pack Rat (650b rim brake model) I know that could change but a quick look 
shows a lot of rims for the class of bike Grant is outing as the leading 
trend style of bike - so disc only. The interesting rim that is on a stock 
bike and would suit the Hill bike is on the Specialize Roll. It is 30mm 
wide and has machined brake tracks. I wondered where one would get one if a 
wheel repair was needed. Grant may have ideas for sourcing solutions for 
some of these issues outed in this thread. It's the brakes that have me 
wondering.

On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 1:26:53 PM UTC-4, Kevin Mulcahy wrote:
>
> To me it looks like the top tube is too short if it’s designed around 
> swept back bars, which means you’re going to get handcuffed when riding 
> around switchback. 
>
> How many rims out there that are suited for plus sized tires, tubeless 
> compatible, and available for rim brake action? Slim pickens, no doubt. 
> Especially for the silver lovers. Any rim brake options in 29+? 
>
> I was hoping for more of a “high performance” all-rounder rigid mtb, like 
> a rethought MB-1 designed around some more progressive or modern examples 
> of mtb geometry. 

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[RBW] Re: The ups and downs of my Clem Smith Jr

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Hi Joe,
Thanks, very generous and yes, I’m interested but unlikely to make the swap 
anytime soon (family/work and simply a matter not having the time to mess with 
my only complete and fully functioning bike at the moment) and this also seems 
to be exactly what The OP, Jim Bronson, might be lookIng for as well per his 
original post.  So I’ll defer to Jim if he wants to take you up on the offer 
first and has a more immediate need... and if not I’ll happily take it off your 
hands and set it aside for a future friction > index swap on my Clem.

Love the look of the bullmoose’d Roadini by the way and don’t think I’ve seen 
pics of it on this group yet... is it still a work in progress? Of course, I 
may have missed it previously if you did post pics as I just haven’t been 
keeping up with all threads lately.

Best,
Brian Cole
Lawrenceville NJ

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Re: [RBW] New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[dougP]

Remember when MTBs first came out in the 80s?  Tons of people bought them 
because of the upright riding position, decent size tires, and versatility 
for commuting / touring / casual riding.  No intention of off-roading.  
These people were turned off by skinny tires, drop bars and the general 
discomfort of road bikes.  I think Rivendell's current line-up reflects a 
return to those ideals of way back when, and the ethos of "just ride".  

dougP

On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 7:00:23 PM UTC-7, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> His more expensive bicycles might be high performance, but I would not say 
> the Complete SWB is high performance--lots of pedal strike on rocky trails, 
> bars wide for northeastern woodsy single track. But that could be solved by 
> the higher zoot framesets with the EBB, and taking a hacksaw to the 
> handlebars. Also, I'm not the world's greatest mountain biker. So there's 
> that.
>
> But it's pretty clear Rivendell is not trying to market a "high 
> performance, progressive" mtb. Just a smart, rethunk formerly known as 
> mountain bicycle for riding sanely through wood and over dale. I would say 
> the Gus Boots and the Complete are different but similar--fantastic and fun 
> bikes with as wide a rubber as anyone will need for just about anything. It 
> would have been a tough choice between the GBW and the Jones Comp, but I 
> have in the back of my mind re-acquiring a Clementine, and that would be 
> too redundant. I like the ability to pick up the Clementine by the top 
> tube. But that Boots is kinda awesome. Maybe I'm just a sucker for a mixte 
> or a swoop tube combined with big knobbies.
>
> On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 3:16:15 PM UTC-4, Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>> I think Jones still has high performance, progressive, rigid mtb market 
>> to himself. I wonder how much cross shopping there will be between Jones 
>> and this bike? Though the Jones starts at just $1100 for the unicrown 
>> frameset. 
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Monday, September 17, 2018, Kevin Mulcahy  wrote:
>>
>>> To me it looks like the top tube is too short if it’s designed around 
>>> swept back bars, which means you’re going to get handcuffed when riding 
>>> around switchback. 
>>>
>>> How many rims out there that are suited for plus sized tires, tubeless 
>>> compatible, and available for rim brake action? Slim pickens, no doubt. 
>>> Especially for the silver lovers. Any rim brake options in 29+?
>>>
>>> I was hoping for more of a “high performance” all-rounder rigid mtb, 
>>> like a rethought MB-1 designed around some more progressive or modern 
>>> examples of mtb geometry. 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Those are nice but they cover up to a 2.5" tire. The Gus takes a 2.8 max 
(with fender? seems that way as they talk about wiggle room at that width.) 
and the Jones Complete has a 3" tire.

On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 9:04:36 AM UTC-4, iamkeith wrote:
>
> On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 4:36:09 AM UTC-6, Mark in Beacon wrote:
> >Wonder what fenders would fit over the 2.8 x 27.5?
>
> https://www.sks-germany.com/en/products/bluemels-75-u/
>

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Re: [RBW] New "Hill" Bike is Posted

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

His more expensive bicycles might be high performance, but I would not say 
the Complete SWB is high performance--lots of pedal strike on rocky trails, 
bars wide for northeastern woodsy single track. But that could be solved by 
the higher zoot framesets with the EBB, and taking a hacksaw to the 
handlebars. Also, I'm not the world's greatest mountain biker. So there's 
that.

But it's pretty clear Rivendell is not trying to market a "high 
performance, progressive" mtb. Just a smart, rethunk formerly known as 
mountain bicycle for riding sanely through wood and over dale. I would say 
the Gus Boots and the Complete are different but similar--fantastic and fun 
bikes with as wide a rubber as anyone will need for just about anything. It 
would have been a tough choice between the GBW and the Jones Comp, but I 
have in the back of my mind re-acquiring a Clementine, and that would be 
too redundant. I like the ability to pick up the Clementine by the top 
tube. But that Boots is kinda awesome. Maybe I'm just a sucker for a mixte 
or a swoop tube combined with big knobbies.

On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 3:16:15 PM UTC-4, Eric Daume wrote:
>
> I think Jones still has high performance, progressive, rigid mtb market to 
> himself. I wonder how much cross shopping there will be between Jones and 
> this bike? Though the Jones starts at just $1100 for the unicrown frameset. 
>
> Eric
>
> On Monday, September 17, 2018, Kevin Mulcahy  > wrote:
>
>> To me it looks like the top tube is too short if it’s designed around 
>> swept back bars, which means you’re going to get handcuffed when riding 
>> around switchback. 
>>
>> How many rims out there that are suited for plus sized tires, tubeless 
>> compatible, and available for rim brake action? Slim pickens, no doubt. 
>> Especially for the silver lovers. Any rim brake options in 29+?
>>
>> I was hoping for more of a “high performance” all-rounder rigid mtb, like 
>> a rethought MB-1 designed around some more progressive or modern examples 
>> of mtb geometry. 
>>
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[RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I don't know that with V-brakes, a la Clemlos,  it is that much cleaner, 
it's just that you don't need the relay pulley; same bends, though. And 
there really is no other routing that I'm aware of--most "women's" mt bike 
frames from the 80s-90s came with this setup. It is the bane of 
step-through (or in this case "hi-swoop") top tubes. At least with mixtes, 
you can often avoid the dreaded "brake housing facing upward" routing by 
splitting off around the seat tube. I guess they could do the old  
chainstay mount u-brakeeveryone would love that! Clean look, but dirty 
brakes.

On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 12:18:04 PM UTC-4, CMR wrote:
>
> It's similar brake routing as a Clem L isn't it? If you use v-brakes it'll 
> be much cleaner, this is just an issue with cantilevers.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[Belopsky]

I have HS33R on my Gunnar. They stop well.

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[RBW] Does this count as "just ride"? The bike is long wheelbase

[A. Nostuh]

Chainstays for days. Very rivendellian

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[RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[Ryan M.]

And you could run hydros with the super awesome full housing routing. 

I really like the curved top tube. 

I just showed my wife this bike...she wants one. Lol

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[RBW] Re: Introduction from RBW fans in NZ

[ascpgh]

Welcome, to the list and to the RBW world!

I write this sitting and eating my dinner between (and cooked on) my DCS 
stove and Fisher and Paykel dish drawer dish washers. It's a small world.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 1:08:26 AM UTC-4, Chris in NZ wrote:
>
> Hello everybody 
>
> I’ve been a member of this forum for a while but haven’t had much to 
> contribute so far aside from the odd comment on a couple of threads. 
> However, I thought I would introduce myself in anticipation of a post in 
> the coming weeks once I assemble a couple of dream bikes (Hunqapillars for 
> myself and my partner!) 
>
>  My partner and I live in Dunedin, New Zealand, and we are avid 
> commuter/utility riders as well as occasional cycle tourists. We currently 
> ride LHTs, have recently bought for short trips and we have a beautiful 
> sage Hubbuhubbuh. 
>
> I had my adult rediscovery of bikes a few years ago when I quit what I was 
> doing, bought the LHT and spent four months touring NZ. During that tour I 
> met a guy riding a bike unlike any I had seen at that point, and until I 
> saw that it had modern Shimano components, I believed must have been a 
> relic.. What really made an impression on me was that he seemed to glide 
> along the road rather than ride and couldn’t believe riding a bike could be 
> so joyous (as much as I enjoyed riding my LHT). I wrote down the word 
> “Atlantis”, and when I finally had a chance to google it, I fell headlong 
> into the Rivendell universe! I found out recently from an old blug that 
> this was Caddie Mike  - if you’re on here Mike, thanks! 
>
> I met my partner shortly after I finished that tour and indoctrinated her 
> into cycling for fun and utility, eventually built her a LHT also, and we 
> both ended up with Albatross bars and a longing for a Rivendell bike... 
> We thought the HHH might sate us but ultimately we both needed singles 
> too! We pushed the button on two Hunqs in January and just received them. 
> Once I’ve got them assembled I’ll report back... 
>
> Chris

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Re: [RBW] Re: Two Orange Rams in the Wild

[Eric Floden]

Oooo, beausavage! Nice...

And if you like words...l do enjoy The Vestibules and their Bulbous Bouffant

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0uuCNAwXGaQ#

On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 at 19:39, ascpgh  wrote:

> Start saving now, that paint job is hard to replicate. Mine has more wear
> and tear than I would call beausage. It's pretty much beausavage at this
> point, refinish estimate  going to new frame instead.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
>
> On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 12:26:52 PM UTC-4, Jennings wrote:
>>
>> Always loved the ram, especially the orange color ones. If I ever have my
>> Hunqapillar repainted it will be the ram orange color scheme.
>
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[RBW] Re: Two Orange Rams in the Wild

[ascpgh]

Start saving now, that paint job is hard to replicate. Mine has more wear 
and tear than I would call beausage. It's pretty much beausavage at this 
point, refinish estimate  going to new frame instead. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh


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>
> Always loved the ram, especially the orange color ones. If I ever have my 
> Hunqapillar repainted it will be the ram orange color scheme. 

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[RBW] Re: Two Orange Rams in the Wild

[ascpgh]

Orange Rambouillets, nice!  

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 10:52:52 AM UTC-4, Luke wrote:
>
> [image: Ram2.jpeg]
>
>
> From the Assenmacher 100 last month in Flint, MI - a ride is always better 
> with another Riv! 
>
> (this is not my photo - but my Ram is on the left)
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Likely FS soon: Rambouillet 60 & Legolas 59

[Reed Kennedy]

Following up on the Great Roadeo Tubing Debate:

I've been using a piece of industrial testing equipment to measure wall
thickness in bike frames. Last weekend I was fortunate enough to measure a
Roadeo, Rambouillet, A. Homer Hilsen, and Hunqapillar all in similar sizes.
(Thanks to Ben Miller!)

Results are here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XeS2nJhBPSDRbqgG1-F2VOI_vK1QZnZmysARDJWyGps/edit?usp=sharing

Short version: The Roadeo is lighter of tube than the Hilsen, with the main
difference being the top tube. However, the 61cm version I measured was not
built with 6/4/6 tubing. Interestingly, the 64cm Rambouillet was almost as
thin / light, but the Roadeo was just a touch thinner.

If anyone around the SF Bay Area has a smaller Roadeo I'd be excited to
measure it. Or, frankly, any other Riv!


Best,
Reed

On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 11:24 AM Brian Campbell 
wrote:

> This is an e-mail exchange I had with Mark at Riv a few years back. I
> think it s his way of telling me that the the ultra lightweight tubing is
> in the smaller sized Roadeos only. YMMV.
>
>
>
> Hi Brian,
>
>
>
> In sizes 59cm and up, the tube spec is pretty similar between the Roadeo
> and Hilsen.  So, the main difference with probably come from lighter
> components and smaller volume tires, resulting in a more spirited ride
> feel. This along with slight geometry differences would differentiate the
> two models.
>
>
>
> Any other questions, let me know.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Campbell,Brian D.
> Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 12:22pm
> To: "m...@rivbike.com" 
> Subject: Roadeo or Hilsen
>
> Mark,
>
>
>
> Hi. I spoke with Will and he suggested an e-mail to you. I ride a 61cm AHH
> (really like it) but am finding I am doing more and more riding where I am
> focused on riding by itself, not carrying things or commuting per se. I was
> considering a Roadeo (also in 61cm or perhaps 59cm size, I can fit both per
> Riv’s sizing method 87cm PB height)) and aside from rear spacing, shifter
> mounts, tires size and slight front end geometry difference on the Roadeo,
> is there a meaningful difference in the tubing types between the two
> frames? If yes, could you let me know what they might be?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Brian
>
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[RBW] Re: Does this count as "just ride"? The bike is long wheelbase

[Garth]

Just riding is just riding it is that it is.  

Such is True Beauty. 

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[RBW] Re: Introduction from RBW fans in NZ

[dougP]

Welcome to our group, and congratulations on the Hunqs.  We look forward to 
pictures.  Hang onto the LHTs.  You might take a tour in the third world 
some day & have to pitch your bike up onto a bus.  If you plan a tour of 
the US, this list is a great resource, with lots of members offering route 
advice and some even overnight accommodations.  

dougP

On Sunday, September 16, 2018 at 10:08:26 PM UTC-7, Chris in NZ wrote:
>
> Hello everybody 
>
> I’ve been a member of this forum for a while but haven’t had much to 
> contribute so far aside from the odd comment on a couple of threads. 
> However, I thought I would introduce myself in anticipation of a post in 
> the coming weeks once I assemble a couple of dream bikes (Hunqapillars for 
> myself and my partner!) 
>
>  My partner and I live in Dunedin, New Zealand, and we are avid 
> commuter/utility riders as well as occasional cycle tourists. We currently 
> ride LHTs, have recently bought for short trips and we have a beautiful 
> sage Hubbuhubbuh. 
>
> I had my adult rediscovery of bikes a few years ago when I quit what I was 
> doing, bought the LHT and spent four months touring NZ. During that tour I 
> met a guy riding a bike unlike any I had seen at that point, and until I 
> saw that it had modern Shimano components, I believed must have been a 
> relic.. What really made an impression on me was that he seemed to glide 
> along the road rather than ride and couldn’t believe riding a bike could be 
> so joyous (as much as I enjoyed riding my LHT). I wrote down the word 
> “Atlantis”, and when I finally had a chance to google it, I fell headlong 
> into the Rivendell universe! I found out recently from an old blug that 
> this was Caddie Mike  - if you’re on here Mike, thanks! 
>
> I met my partner shortly after I finished that tour and indoctrinated her 
> into cycling for fun and utility, eventually built her a LHT also, and we 
> both ended up with Albatross bars and a longing for a Rivendell bike... 
> We thought the HHH might sate us but ultimately we both needed singles 
> too! We pushed the button on two Hunqs in January and just received them. 
> Once I’ve got them assembled I’ll report back... 
>
> Chris

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[RBW] Does this count as "just ride"? The bike is long wheelbase

[Patrick Moore]

https://www.bikeradar.com/us/road/news/article/cycling-land-speed-record-52942/

Not lugged, though. But it looks like a steel fork?

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[RBW] Re: Nice conspicuity finds at the Japanese import store

[Ash]

That's nice!

Now the question is does Zipang still carry it...



On Monday, 17 September 2018 15:07:22 UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Somebody on iBob posted the need for conspicuity lighting, so I searched 
> for this post.  Apparently I bought LED valve caps in March of 2017, and 
> multiple people told me they were fine, except for battery life problems.
>
> It is now September of 2018, and the original batteries are not dead.  I 
> don't ride this particular commute bike every day, but I do ride it 2 or 3 
> times a week and have well over 1000 miles on it (~700 miles documented in 
> Strava).  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 1:28:39 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> We like a few products from the Japanese import store.  The store is 
>> called Zipang and it's in El Cerrito.  We were on a visit a couple weeks 
>> back and I wandered down one of the aisles to find a couple cool cycling 
>> related items, for practically free.  
>>
>> 1.  A nice fender-contoured red rear reflector.  Functionally identical 
>> to something like THIS 
>> 
>>   
>> It's made of plastic, except the mounting bolt and nut are metal.  It's 
>> just a good basic rear reflector, made to fit on a fender.  $1.48
>>
>> 2.  A pair of LED presta valve caps.  You put these on your presta 
>> valves, and when they are jiggled in any way, the LED lights up for a 
>> couple seconds.  If you are riding, they are on constantly, because that's 
>> plenty of jiggle.  They even light up on the BART train.  $1.48 for a pair, 
>> batteries included.  
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
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[RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[Bill Lindsay]

I'd ride that bad-boy.  I bet it's fun.  

I might conisder limiting my rear tire to <2.5" and running a Magura HS33 
hydraulic rim brake, to allay the handwringing over cable routing.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, September 14, 2018 at 8:43:49 PM UTC-7, Collin A wrote:
>
> Looks different, as all rivendell bikes do. It'll be interesting to see 
> how it rides and what the bike industry will think of it at the trade show.
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/peeking-through-the-knothole/all-about-ebikes
>
> Happy Saturday riding everyone,
> Collin
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Nice conspicuity finds at the Japanese import store

[Bill Lindsay]

Somebody on iBob posted the need for conspicuity lighting, so I searched 
for this post.  Apparently I bought LED valve caps in March of 2017, and 
multiple people told me they were fine, except for battery life problems.

It is now September of 2018, and the original batteries are not dead.  I 
don't ride this particular commute bike every day, but I do ride it 2 or 3 
times a week and have well over 1000 miles on it (~700 miles documented in 
Strava).  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 1:28:39 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> We like a few products from the Japanese import store.  The store is 
> called Zipang and it's in El Cerrito.  We were on a visit a couple weeks 
> back and I wandered down one of the aisles to find a couple cool cycling 
> related items, for practically free.  
>
> 1.  A nice fender-contoured red rear reflector.  Functionally identical to 
> something like THIS 
> 
>   
> It's made of plastic, except the mounting bolt and nut are metal.  It's 
> just a good basic rear reflector, made to fit on a fender.  $1.48
>
> 2.  A pair of LED presta valve caps.  You put these on your presta valves, 
> and when they are jiggled in any way, the LED lights up for a couple 
> seconds.  If you are riding, they are on constantly, because that's plenty 
> of jiggle.  They even light up on the BART train.  $1.48 for a pair, 
> batteries included.  
>
> BL in EC
>

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[RBW] Re: Feel-good Vintage Bikes

[Steve Butcher]

Kiley, I often enjoy looking through Craigslist bicycles for my state and 
have picked up a diamond in the rough in the past; for example:  my 
Bridgestone 400 which has been an enjoyment to me.  I, also, can identify 
with the need to practice restraint when looking and remind myself if I 
have the need, time, and space to bring that one home.   

Steve Butcher
Stockton, Missouri

On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 12:28:00 PM UTC-5, Kiley Demond wrote:
>
> When I stayed in Ann Arbor for a year, I followed the Michigan CraigsList 
> scene (after living in the Bay Area for thirty years, CL seems positively 
> dead everywhere else), and I was fascinated by the number of vintage bikes 
> available. I never made the trip to Jackson to visit one place that had 
> hundreds of bikes. I would have spent many hours there and purchased things 
> I didn’t really need, so it was sort of a survival strategy not to go. The 
> Michigan/Wisconsin/Illinois area has so many amazing vintage steel-frame 
> bikes as many were fabricated there and the population was much higher than 
> in the west during those years. There are “barn finds” happening 
> everyday;-). 
>
>  
>
>
> https://annarbor.craigslist.org/bid/d/many-bikes-trek-huffy-schwinn/6693452600.html
>
>  
>
> https://jxn.craigslist.org/bik/d/bikes/6680421487.html
>
>  
>
> Which makes me think about places that restore vintage bikes and 
> (re)awaken a love of “just riding”: one non-profit, Armory Bike Union 
> , and one for profit, but just 
> as easy to love, ReCycle Aspen Art . 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] ATTN: Mass and Boston Folks: Builders Ball?

[Steven Sweedler]

Wally, I am planning on going with a few others. Hope to meet you there.
Steve

On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 2:39 PM Wally Estrella 
wrote:

> Any Riv folk going to the New England Builders Ball this Saturday?
> Weather pending I'm hoping to pedal down from Maine w/ a Sam Hillborne
> fellow, Adam.If anyone is looking to meet up w/ us along the way and
> bring us on into Boston that would be cool
>
> At minimum does the Boston end of this route seem bike friendly to get to
> the location?
> https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28618464
>
> We're either taking the DownEaster back to Maine or will get a shuttle
> back from a friend who's driving down.
>
>
> CHEERS!
> Wally 207land.
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[RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[Kevin Mulcahy]

Sure, I'm making an assumption that the bike would be designed around the 
handlebars and stems that they currently sell.  

On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 1:21:54 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I've heard nothing about the frame being designed around sweptback bars, 
> nor do we know the ETT unless somebody there measured it and told someone. 
> I expect a lot of these bikes to show up with flattish 31.8 mtb bars or 
> Jones Loops. 

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Re: [RBW] New "Hill" Bike is Posted

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I have wondered how much influence Corey's jones plus has had on the GBH, if 
any.

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Re: [RBW] New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[John G]

Looks like a Cleland.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/38236150@N06/


On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 3:16:15 PM UTC-4, Eric Daume wrote:
>
> I think Jones still has high performance, progressive, rigid mtb market to 
> himself. I wonder how much cross shopping there will be between Jones and 
> this bike? Though the Jones starts at just $1100 for the unicrown frameset. 
>
> Eric
>
> On Monday, September 17, 2018, Kevin Mulcahy  > wrote:
>
>> To me it looks like the top tube is too short if it’s designed around 
>> swept back bars, which means you’re going to get handcuffed when riding 
>> around switchback. 
>>
>> How many rims out there that are suited for plus sized tires, tubeless 
>> compatible, and available for rim brake action? Slim pickens, no doubt. 
>> Especially for the silver lovers. Any rim brake options in 29+?
>>
>> I was hoping for more of a “high performance” all-rounder rigid mtb, like 
>> a rethought MB-1 designed around some more progressive or modern examples 
>> of mtb geometry. 
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Re: [RBW] Billie Bar vs. Jones Loop H-Bar

[iamkeith]

Good point.  Or Ti or carbon, for that matter.

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Re: [RBW] New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[Eric Daume]

I think Jones still has high performance, progressive, rigid mtb market to
himself. I wonder how much cross shopping there will be between Jones and
this bike? Though the Jones starts at just $1100 for the unicrown frameset.

Eric

On Monday, September 17, 2018, Kevin Mulcahy  wrote:

> To me it looks like the top tube is too short if it’s designed around
> swept back bars, which means you’re going to get handcuffed when riding
> around switchback.
>
> How many rims out there that are suited for plus sized tires, tubeless
> compatible, and available for rim brake action? Slim pickens, no doubt.
> Especially for the silver lovers. Any rim brake options in 29+?
>
> I was hoping for more of a “high performance” all-rounder rigid mtb, like
> a rethought MB-1 designed around some more progressive or modern examples
> of mtb geometry.
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Re: [RBW] Billie Bar vs. Jones Loop H-Bar

[Eric Daume]

How about the Jones non-loop model? It should be less stiff than the loop.

Eric

On Monday, September 17, 2018, Jake P  wrote:

> I think the lack of a larger flair/it being a narrower bar is gunna be the
> deal breaker for me..  I love a 45' bend on a handlebar; it's my personal
> favorite hand position for 99% of riding.  My issue is that the jones is
> super stiff, and I love the feel of my boscos, so I was hoping the billie
> could get me a similar comfort/compliance but with a more familiar
> jones-style hand position/width.  Maybe the ever-elusive Waive bar will be
> the answer. We'll see...
>
> On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 11:49:19 AM UTC-5, Ryan M. wrote:
>>
>> I stuck a Jones bar on my single speed mountain bike and totally love it.
>> The 45 degree bend is awesome and the bar gives quite a few different hand
>> positions. I really like the loop area for a small front bag too. The 710
>> version of the loop bar has a lot of real estate so you can ride normal
>> with your hands on top of the brake levers or scoot far back for a pretty
>> upright position.
>>
>> Haven't tried the billie but it doesn't flair out as much as the Jones.
>> On a bike meant for off road riding, I would rather have the flair. My
>> Appaloosa has Chocos which basically come straight back. I like that for
>> greenway riding and more casual/touring stuff.
>>
>> On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 12:09:19 AM UTC-5, Jake P wrote:
>>
>>> In the most perfectly 'Grant' fashion, the dimension descriptions of the
>>> Billie are more about ~feel~ than anything else. Which I really appreciate,
>>> but I've never ridden an Alba so I don't have much of a starting point to
>>> base his descriptions on.
>>>
>>> Can anybody who's ridden both a Jones Loop H-Bar and a Billie comment on
>>> the ride quality/ ~feel~ differences between the two?
>>>
>>> If anybody has both bars and can photograph them on top of each other to
>>> show differences in the dimensions (grip area length, bar angle, width etc)
>>> I would be greatly appreciative as well!!! Thnx
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Big Bar Bag for original Moustache bar

[Patrick Moore]

David: Brilliant! A couple of short pieces of PVC pipe would work too.

Thanks!

On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 12:56 PM, David B  wrote:

> And thinking about it more, I think just a couple leather standoff things
> might work with a Carradice Camper.
> These are typically used with the seatpost strap on a saddlebag, but might
> work fine to lower the bag, but still keep things tight.
> Like this bag here, second photo in: https://www.instagram.com/p/
> BjKpAemh1bz/?taken-by=treetopgoods
> I was able to get everything tight and secure as I used a very dense/stiff
> leather.
> David
>
> On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 1:47:56 PM UTC-5, David B wrote:
>>
>> I can't recall where or on what bike (possibly Watanabe bag on an Alps
>> bike?), but wooden dowels were used to move the top of a handlebar bag
>> forward from a drop bar, so that the tops of the bar could be used. The
>> dowels were shaped to the contour of the bars, then leather straps were
>> used to attach the bag to the bar. In this way, the dowels were merely
>> spacers held in place somehow, maybe attached to one part of the strap.
>> I'd think this method might work for you in a way that wouldn't require
>> something to be clamped to the m-bar.
>> I'll look for a photo...
>> David
>>
>> On Saturday, September 15, 2018 at 1:51:10 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> My Hon Solo can only take smallish panniers and still clear my size 10s
>>> -- I use Ortlieb Sports Packers. I'd like to augment the load capacity with
>>> something in the front, but the M-bar is not friendly to many bar-mount
>>> bags. I cannot find a front lowrider rack to fit this Dahon model, and I've
>>> looked extensively.
>>>
>>> So, ideas? I could attach a Carradice Camper if I had some way of
>>> strapping the dowel (ie, attaching the Brooks-slot straps) 2 or 3" or so
>>> below the bottom of the bar; 2" or more to allow me to open the flap
>>> sufficiently to use it.
>>>
>>> The bag would have to be capacious enough to carry at least a 10 lb bag
>>> of potatoes, though I use that instance only to indicate volume.
>>>
>>> I can simply sling as many as 3 full plastic grocery bags by their
>>> handles from the big and complex bar mast/bar QR/bar extender/M-bar
>>> junction, but they do swing about.
>>>
>>> (The photo shows the Hon Solo earlier; it now has a new BioLogic dynohub
>>> with f and r lights (Lumotec IQ in front, Toplight Line Plus in back.)
>>>
>>> Ideas?
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Big Bar Bag for original Moustache bar

[David B]

And thinking about it more, I think just a couple leather standoff things 
might work with a Carradice Camper.
These are typically used with the seatpost strap on a saddlebag, but might 
work fine to lower the bag, but still keep things tight.
Like this bag here, second photo in: 
https://www.instagram.com/p/BjKpAemh1bz/?taken-by=treetopgoods
I was able to get everything tight and secure as I used a very dense/stiff 
leather.
David

On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 1:47:56 PM UTC-5, David B wrote:
>
> I can't recall where or on what bike (possibly Watanabe bag on an Alps 
> bike?), but wooden dowels were used to move the top of a handlebar bag 
> forward from a drop bar, so that the tops of the bar could be used. The 
> dowels were shaped to the contour of the bars, then leather straps were 
> used to attach the bag to the bar. In this way, the dowels were merely 
> spacers held in place somehow, maybe attached to one part of the strap.
> I'd think this method might work for you in a way that wouldn't require 
> something to be clamped to the m-bar.
> I'll look for a photo...
> David
>
> On Saturday, September 15, 2018 at 1:51:10 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> My Hon Solo can only take smallish panniers and still clear my size 10s 
>> -- I use Ortlieb Sports Packers. I'd like to augment the load capacity with 
>> something in the front, but the M-bar is not friendly to many bar-mount 
>> bags. I cannot find a front lowrider rack to fit this Dahon model, and I've 
>> looked extensively.
>>
>> So, ideas? I could attach a Carradice Camper if I had some way of 
>> strapping the dowel (ie, attaching the Brooks-slot straps) 2 or 3" or so 
>> below the bottom of the bar; 2" or more to allow me to open the flap 
>> sufficiently to use it. 
>>
>> The bag would have to be capacious enough to carry at least a 10 lb bag 
>> of potatoes, though I use that instance only to indicate volume.
>>
>> I can simply sling as many as 3 full plastic grocery bags by their 
>> handles from the big and complex bar mast/bar QR/bar extender/M-bar 
>> junction, but they do swing about. 
>>
>> (The photo shows the Hon Solo earlier; it now has a new BioLogic dynohub 
>> with f and r lights (Lumotec IQ in front, Toplight Line Plus in back.)
>>
>> Ideas?
>>
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[RBW] Re: Big Bar Bag for original Moustache bar

[David B]

I can't recall where or on what bike (possibly Watanabe bag on an Alps 
bike?), but wooden dowels were used to move the top of a handlebar bag 
forward from a drop bar, so that the tops of the bar could be used. The 
dowels were shaped to the contour of the bars, then leather straps were 
used to attach the bag to the bar. In this way, the dowels were merely 
spacers held in place somehow, maybe attached to one part of the strap.
I'd think this method might work for you in a way that wouldn't require 
something to be clamped to the m-bar.
I'll look for a photo...
David

On Saturday, September 15, 2018 at 1:51:10 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> My Hon Solo can only take smallish panniers and still clear my size 10s -- 
> I use Ortlieb Sports Packers. I'd like to augment the load capacity with 
> something in the front, but the M-bar is not friendly to many bar-mount 
> bags. I cannot find a front lowrider rack to fit this Dahon model, and I've 
> looked extensively.
>
> So, ideas? I could attach a Carradice Camper if I had some way of 
> strapping the dowel (ie, attaching the Brooks-slot straps) 2 or 3" or so 
> below the bottom of the bar; 2" or more to allow me to open the flap 
> sufficiently to use it. 
>
> The bag would have to be capacious enough to carry at least a 10 lb bag of 
> potatoes, though I use that instance only to indicate volume.
>
> I can simply sling as many as 3 full plastic grocery bags by their handles 
> from the big and complex bar mast/bar QR/bar extender/M-bar junction, but 
> they do swing about. 
>
> (The photo shows the Hon Solo earlier; it now has a new BioLogic dynohub 
> with f and r lights (Lumotec IQ in front, Toplight Line Plus in back.)
>
> Ideas?
>
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[RBW] ATTN: Mass and Boston Folks: Builders Ball?

[Wally Estrella]

Any Riv folk going to the New England Builders Ball this Saturday?
Weather pending I'm hoping to pedal down from Maine w/ a Sam Hillborne 
fellow, Adam.If anyone is looking to meet up w/ us along the way and 
bring us on into Boston that would be cool

At minimum does the Boston end of this route seem bike friendly to get to 
the location?
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28618464

We're either taking the DownEaster back to Maine or will get a shuttle back 
from a friend who's driving down.


CHEERS!
Wally 207land.

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Re: [RBW] Big Bar Bag for original Moustache bar

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks. In fact, several of those bags look very promising -- except that I
am currently using the original Moustache bar, the bends of which prevent
top access to bags strapped directly to the bar.

What may do is buy a sufficiently strong handlebar extender (clamp to bar
and offer a short tube for carrying more stuff), install it angled down,
and attach my Camper to that.

On Sat, Sep 15, 2018 at 3:51 PM, velomann  wrote:

> Fabio’s Chest?
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[RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[Joe Bernard]

I've heard nothing about the frame being designed around sweptback bars, nor do 
we know the ETT unless somebody there measured it and told someone. I expect a 
lot of these bikes to show up with flattish 31.8 mtb bars or Jones Loops. 

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[RBW] Re: Billie Bar vs. Jones Loop H-Bar

[Jake P]

I think the lack of a larger flair/it being a narrower bar is gunna be the 
deal breaker for me..  I love a 45' bend on a handlebar; it's my personal 
favorite hand position for 99% of riding.  My issue is that the jones is 
super stiff, and I love the feel of my boscos, so I was hoping the billie 
could get me a similar comfort/compliance but with a more familiar 
jones-style hand position/width.  Maybe the ever-elusive Waive bar will be 
the answer. We'll see...

On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 11:49:19 AM UTC-5, Ryan M. wrote:
>
> I stuck a Jones bar on my single speed mountain bike and totally love it. 
> The 45 degree bend is awesome and the bar gives quite a few different hand 
> positions. I really like the loop area for a small front bag too. The 710 
> version of the loop bar has a lot of real estate so you can ride normal 
> with your hands on top of the brake levers or scoot far back for a pretty 
> upright position. 
>
> Haven't tried the billie but it doesn't flair out as much as the Jones. On 
> a bike meant for off road riding, I would rather have the flair. My 
> Appaloosa has Chocos which basically come straight back. I like that for 
> greenway riding and more casual/touring stuff. 
>
> On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 12:09:19 AM UTC-5, Jake P wrote:
>
>> In the most perfectly 'Grant' fashion, the dimension descriptions of the 
>> Billie are more about ~feel~ than anything else. Which I really appreciate, 
>> but I've never ridden an Alba so I don't have much of a starting point to 
>> base his descriptions on. 
>>
>> Can anybody who's ridden both a Jones Loop H-Bar and a Billie comment on 
>> the ride quality/ ~feel~ differences between the two? 
>>
>> If anybody has both bars and can photograph them on top of each other to 
>> show differences in the dimensions (grip area length, bar angle, width etc) 
>> I would be greatly appreciative as well!!! Thnx
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Shimano cantilever brakes (CX-70/50) link wire question

[Jeff Bogdanovich]

Thanks Rich, I’ll keep searching. Take care!

Jeff

On Sep 17, 2018, at 12:29 PM, R Shannon 
mailto:rshannon6...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Jeff:

If I had it I would happily send it but I’m positive it’s gone. Try Universal 
or Ben’s Cycle. They may have a replacement.

Regards,
Rich in ATL

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 16, 2018, at 4:24 PM, Kalmia Vt 
mailto:russell.f.f...@gmail.com>> wrote:

95 mm on my CX-50s.

On Saturday, September 15, 2018 at 3:03:29 PM UTC-4, Jeffrey B wrote:
Please help! I'm setting up a set of new CX-70 brakes on my Sam Hillborne and 
can't find the link wires. I called Riv but they don't have replacements. Would 
anyone be willing to measure the length of their CX-70/50 link wire for me 
(center to center) so I know which replacement unit link to order? Or, if you 
have these link wires that you don't use I would pay to help clean out your 
parts bin :)

Thanks all!
Jeff

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Re: [RBW] Re: Shimano cantilever brakes (CX-70/50) link wire question

[R Shannon]

Hi Jeff:

If I had it I would happily send it but I’m positive it’s gone. Try Universal 
or Ben’s Cycle. They may have a replacement.

Regards,
Rich in ATL

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 16, 2018, at 4:24 PM, Kalmia Vt  wrote:
> 
> 95 mm on my CX-50s.
> 
>> On Saturday, September 15, 2018 at 3:03:29 PM UTC-4, Jeffrey B wrote:
>> Please help! I'm setting up a set of new CX-70 brakes on my Sam Hillborne 
>> and can't find the link wires. I called Riv but they don't have 
>> replacements. Would anyone be willing to measure the length of their 
>> CX-70/50 link wire for me (center to center) so I know which replacement 
>> unit link to order? Or, if you have these link wires that you don't use I 
>> would pay to help clean out your parts bin :)
>> 
>> Thanks all! 
>> Jeff
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[RBW] Feel-good Vintage Bikes

[Kiley Demond]

 

When I stayed in Ann Arbor for a year, I followed the Michigan CraigsList 
scene (after living in the Bay Area for thirty years, CL seems positively 
dead everywhere else), and I was fascinated by the number of vintage bikes 
available. I never made the trip to Jackson to visit one place that had 
hundreds of bikes. I would have spent many hours there and purchased things 
I didn’t really need, so it was sort of a survival strategy not to go. The 
Michigan/Wisconsin/Illinois area has so many amazing vintage steel-frame 
bikes as many were fabricated there and the population was much higher than 
in the west during those years. There are “barn finds” happening 
everyday;-). 

 

https://annarbor.craigslist.org/bid/d/many-bikes-trek-huffy-schwinn/6693452600.html

 

https://jxn.craigslist.org/bik/d/bikes/6680421487.html

 

Which makes me think about places that restore vintage bikes and (re)awaken 
a love of “just riding”: one non-profit, Armory Bike Union 
, and one for profit, but just 
as easy to love, ReCycle Aspen Art . 

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[RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[Kevin Mulcahy]

To me it looks like the top tube is too short if it’s designed around swept 
back bars, which means you’re going to get handcuffed when riding around 
switchback. 

How many rims out there that are suited for plus sized tires, tubeless 
compatible, and available for rim brake action? Slim pickens, no doubt. 
Especially for the silver lovers. Any rim brake options in 29+?

I was hoping for more of a “high performance” all-rounder rigid mtb, like a 
rethought MB-1 designed around some more progressive or modern examples of mtb 
geometry. 

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Re: [RBW] New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[ian m]

LWB = Long WheelBase, yes. Long chainstay, not compared to Rivs. My Clem 
has a full 8 cm longer chainstay and doesn't fit 29x3" tires. Jones bikes 
have a slacker seat tube angle, about 4 degree slacker head tube angle, and 
over 20mm more fork offset. This puts the rear wheel more under the riders 
body and the front wheel farther out front. Very easy to life the front and 
still very stable ride thanks to long wheelbase

On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 12:40:41 PM UTC-4, Eric Daume wrote:
>
> Er, Jones is more known for his long chainstay bikes these days. When I 
> called to talk to him about the SWB model, he spent most of the 
> conversation extolling the virtues of the LWB bike. 
>
> Eric
>
> On Monday, September 17, 2018, ian m > 
> wrote:
>
>> I had imagined the possibility of a Riv off-roader replacing my current 
>> Clem, as riding off road is 95% of my riding now, but this bike repeats the 
>> same design flaw as the Clem. Jones Bikes prove that you can have a huge 
>> wheelbase for an awesomely stable ride on a Mtn bike, but it shouldn't come 
>> from long chainstays. Putting the back wheel so far behind the rider's mass 
>> increases the difficulty in raising the front end, especially while riding 
>> uphill. While that may seem superfluous for perfectly manicured California 
>> trails, it's a necessity for riding off road in other places. Unless that 
>> seat tube is far slacker than the Clem's I think it would be a bear to 
>> handle on a rocky, rooty uphill. I am jealous of that pump peg tho
>>
>>
>> On Friday, September 14, 2018 at 11:43:49 PM UTC-4, Collin A wrote:
>>>
>>> Looks different, as all rivendell bikes do. It'll be interesting to see 
>>> how it rides and what the bike industry will think of it at the trade show.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/peeking-through-the-knothole/all-about-ebikes
>>>
>>> Happy Saturday riding everyone,
>>> Collin
>>>
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[RBW] Re: The ups and downs of my Clem Smith Jr

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

I just recently stumbled upon these.. anyone know if these SunXCD downtube 
shifters with 7/8sp indexed rear would install directly into the stock Clem 
shifter pods?
https://store.somafab.com/su78spdosh.html

Brian Cole
Lawrenceville, NJ

On Wednesday, September 5, 2018 at 4:51:21 PM UTC-4, Jim Bronson wrote:

> The good news about my Clem is that I've been riding it a lot more since I 
> moved.  I now live on a busy 4 lane highway with no shoulders, so I was 
> having to either brave the traffic to get to a side street or trail, or put 
> the bike on the car, which I hate to do if I'm just going out for a fun 
> ride.  I found a gravel path behind my condo complex that goes about a 
> quarter mile to the next cross street to the highway.  From there I can 
> cross the highway and access the regional mixed terrain trail system.  
>
> The shortcut I found has got pretty rough big-ish rocks so I am loath to 
> ride my more roadish Rivendells with their relatively fragile Compass 
> tires.  The Clem though tackles this section with aplumb so I find myself 
> wheeling it out for rides more than my other bikes.  I also find the 
> traction just a little bit better on the pea gravel sections of the 
> regional trails, where the slick Compass tires might kick out a bit going 
> around a corner, the Clem and it's big Kendas track straight and true where 
> I point my wheels.  It just feels a little less squirrely, so to say.
>
> Which is a good segue into what I don't like.  I bought my 65 ClemH 
> complete and one of the things that it came with that I am not super 
> enamored of is the Bosco bars.  This may sound odd since they are 58cm wide 
> (I think) but they feel too narrow and too far back for me.  I feel like I 
> might hit them with my knees when I'm out riding.  I feel I would prefer a 
> bar with less intrusion into my midsection.  I'd also prefer something a 
> little less upright, which I think having a bar that's not so far into my 
> midsection will take care of itself.  It just doesn't feel dialed in the 
> way it is now.
>
> Looking around on Rivendell's website, I like the look of the Billie 
> bars.  I'm just not sure if 58 will be wide enough for my preference.  I'm 
> thinking maybe because they flare out a lot more and much less back than 
> the Boscos, that the 58 might be fine in this form factor.  Truth is my 
> drop bar bikes are only 48cm so having a bar not so far back like the 
> Billie would work I think
>
> Or there is the Aherne+MAP handlebar which is 61.5 cm wide in the wider 
> version.
> https://www.ahearnecycles.com/shop/ahearnemap-handlebar if you're not 
> familar.  I still have some store credit at Rivendell though so this route 
> would cost me more out of pocket.
>
> Anyone tried either of these bars on their Clem?
>
> The other thing I don't like is friction shifting.  Does Microshift or 
> SunRace make an indexed 8 speed thumbie?  I was hoping to re-use the thumb 
> pod and just get the shifter part of it, but I can only find 8 speed in 
> friction.  I could switch to Shimano 8 which would require a different 
> thumb pod or go 9 speed indexed T09 Microshift thumbies which would require 
> a 9 speed cassette and potentially a different derailer.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> -Jim
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[RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[iamkeith]

here's a fairly current list of V brake lengths:

https://www.gravelbike.com/v-brake-arm-lengths/

I think maybe the ones I linked on ebay, which are longer than any of 
these, were intended for 26-700c conversions?  Whatever works, though.

On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 10:41:08 AM UTC-6, iamkeith wrote:
>
> Quick search seems to suggest that V brakes with longer arms do exist.  
> These are 125mm long vs a typical 100mm, which seems like it should fit a 
> 3" tire.  I don't know what that does to the cable pull / leverage equation:
>
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/44mm-Extra-Long-V-Brakes-Rim-Front-Rear-Brake-Set-Linear-Pull-V-Brake-/221991915213
>
> On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 10:18:04 AM UTC-6, CMR wrote:
>>
>> It's similar brake routing as a Clem L isn't it? If you use v-brakes 
>> it'll be much cleaner, this is just an issue with cantilevers.
>>
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[RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[lconley]

It works better if you use a long cable hanger instead of a short cable 
hanger. I also like to wrap the cable around the drive side of the bike - 
lengthens / straightens out the curve. You can also use a seat stay bridge 
mounted hanger from Tektro, that is what I did on my Medium Mountain Mixte 
- looks like a similar curved seat stay bridge.

Laing
Cocoa, FL

On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 12:18:04 PM UTC-4, CMR wrote:

> It's similar brake routing as a Clem L isn't it? If you use v-brakes it'll 
> be much cleaner, this is just an issue with cantilevers.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Billie Bar vs. Jones Loop H-Bar

[Ryan M.]

I stuck a Jones bar on my single speed mountain bike and totally love it. 
The 45 degree bend is awesome and the bar gives quite a few different hand 
positions. I really like the loop area for a small front bag too. The 710 
version of the loop bar has a lot of real estate so you can ride normal 
with your hands on top of the brake levers or scoot far back for a pretty 
upright position. 

Haven't tried the billie but it doesn't flair out as much as the Jones. On 
a bike meant for off road riding, I would rather have the flair. My 
Appaloosa has Chocos which basically come straight back. I like that for 
greenway riding and more casual/touring stuff. 

On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 12:09:19 AM UTC-5, Jake P wrote:

> In the most perfectly 'Grant' fashion, the dimension descriptions of the 
> Billie are more about ~feel~ than anything else. Which I really appreciate, 
> but I've never ridden an Alba so I don't have much of a starting point to 
> base his descriptions on. 
>
> Can anybody who's ridden both a Jones Loop H-Bar and a Billie comment on 
> the ride quality/ ~feel~ differences between the two? 
>
> If anybody has both bars and can photograph them on top of each other to 
> show differences in the dimensions (grip area length, bar angle, width etc) 
> I would be greatly appreciative as well!!! Thnx

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Re: [RBW] New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[Eric Daume]

Er, Jones is more known for his long chainstay bikes these days. When I
called to talk to him about the SWB model, he spent most of the
conversation extolling the virtues of the LWB bike.

Eric

On Monday, September 17, 2018, ian m  wrote:

> I had imagined the possibility of a Riv off-roader replacing my current
> Clem, as riding off road is 95% of my riding now, but this bike repeats the
> same design flaw as the Clem. Jones Bikes prove that you can have a huge
> wheelbase for an awesomely stable ride on a Mtn bike, but it shouldn't come
> from long chainstays. Putting the back wheel so far behind the rider's mass
> increases the difficulty in raising the front end, especially while riding
> uphill. While that may seem superfluous for perfectly manicured California
> trails, it's a necessity for riding off road in other places. Unless that
> seat tube is far slacker than the Clem's I think it would be a bear to
> handle on a rocky, rooty uphill. I am jealous of that pump peg tho
>
>
> On Friday, September 14, 2018 at 11:43:49 PM UTC-4, Collin A wrote:
>>
>> Looks different, as all rivendell bikes do. It'll be interesting to see
>> how it rides and what the bike industry will think of it at the trade show.
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/peeking-through-the-knothole/a
>> ll-about-ebikes
>>
>> Happy Saturday riding everyone,
>> Collin
>>
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[RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[iamkeith]

Quick search seems to suggest that V brakes with longer arms do exist.  
These are 125mm long vs a typical 100mm, which seems like it should fit a 
3" tire.  I don't know what that does to the cable pull / leverage equation:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/44mm-Extra-Long-V-Brakes-Rim-Front-Rear-Brake-Set-Linear-Pull-V-Brake-/221991915213

On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 10:18:04 AM UTC-6, CMR wrote:
>
> It's similar brake routing as a Clem L isn't it? If you use v-brakes it'll 
> be much cleaner, this is just an issue with cantilevers.
>
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Re: [RBW] Billie Bar vs. Jones Loop H-Bar

[Eric Daume]

I have both. I like the Jones better. It gives me more useful hand
positions, whereas I find the Billie bar, like its Albatross predecessor,
too upright.  The Billie bar might be flexier/more comfortable though.  But
the hand position on the Jones win it for me.

Eric

On Saturday, September 15, 2018, Jake P  wrote:

> In the most perfectly 'Grant' fashion, the dimension descriptions of the
> Billie are more about ~feel~ than anything else. Which I really appreciate,
> but I've never ridden an Alba so I don't have much of a starting point to
> base his descriptions on.
>
> Can anybody who's ridden both a Jones Loop H-Bar and a Billie comment on
> the ride quality/ ~feel~ differences between the two?
>
> If anybody has both bars and can photograph them on top of each other to
> show differences in the dimensions (grip area length, bar angle, width etc)
> I would be greatly appreciative as well!!! Thnx
>
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[RBW] Re: Two Orange Rams in the Wild

['Jennings' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Always loved the ram, especially the orange color ones. If I ever have my 
Hunqapillar repainted it will be the ram orange color scheme. 

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[RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[CMR]

It's similar brake routing as a Clem L isn't it? If you use v-brakes it'll 
be much cleaner, this is just an issue with cantilevers.

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[RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Wow. I keep trying to post, without luck

I wanted this to be a dedicated bike packer, so my critique is my crybaby cry, 
OK?  

The rear brake cable routing..I saw this design on MalWart bikes in the 
eighties. As a mechanic back in the day,  I worked on bikes with cable routing 
similar and the drag was huge if even slightly dirty.  This design alone kills 
the bike for me, but I assume it is a mistake or detail that will be rectified. 

The curved top tube means common frame bags won’t fit for bikepacking. Lack of 
triple braze-ons on the fork for anything cages is a head scratcher for a 
travel bike, as they seem to be more popular than front lowriders. 

I am going to keep staring at the photo for a few hours a day to see if it 
grows on me.And wait to see what details will be changed before I 
commit to another brand.  

Clayton
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[RBW] Re: Two Orange Rams in the Wild

[Kieran J]

Hey Luke - what fenders are those? I'm guessing the P45 Longboards?

KJ


On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 7:52:52 AM UTC-7, Luke wrote:
>
> [image: Ram2.jpeg]
>
>
> From the Assenmacher 100 last month in Flint, MI - a ride is always better 
> with another Riv! 
>
> (this is not my photo - but my Ram is on the left)
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[RBW] Re: New Mtn Bike = Clem L for Me?

[Adam Leibow]

I just bought a clem L for mountain bike/heavy duty rides. Keven (who used 
to work at Rivendell) is my neighbor and one day got me excited about the 
idea of a clem L for mountain biking because of the extremely low toptube, 
and the ability to literally step through and out of the frame during a 
bail on tricky terrain. The weekend after that, I bought one, and have been 
riding it since. It's quite a plush ride, especially with tubeless Compass 
Antelope Pass, and works great as a heavy duty offroad frame as well as an 
all arounder / commuter. wouldn't hesitate to MTB o

On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 10:38:22 AM UTC-7, Kiley Demond wrote:
>
> Wow, I was in California working for a couple of weeks (sixteen straight 
> days), and alas had no time to go to Riv just to see the haps (yes, I'm 
> that old), AND upon my return saw/read how the impending new bike lit up a 
> thread. (BTW, I would approach trying to figure out the name, not as an 
> anagram, but attempted logic: what is the name of the bike it is most like, 
> and does that name have offspring or other associations? That said, I have 
> no idea of the answers, so I am tapping out right away.)
>
> Anyhow, I know there are probably some Clem L owners that will buy the new 
> bike, therefore, I am putting my forth my 'WTB' for a 59 Orange Clem. I 
> might be able to see my way clear to another color, but not at the 
> moment;-).  Frame only is fine. 
>
> Thanks!
>
> Kiley
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[Joe Bernard]

I like ebikes (although I'm out of the game at the moment, I sold all my 
e-stuff), but that video is a terrible way to sell them. "Here's a bunch of 
motor power so you can fly through the air!" is a one-way ticket to ebikes 
being banned on trails. Heckuva job, boys. 

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[RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[ian m]

Also that fork is a beaut 

On Friday, September 14, 2018 at 11:43:49 PM UTC-4, Collin A wrote:
>
> Looks different, as all rivendell bikes do. It'll be interesting to see 
> how it rides and what the bike industry will think of it at the trade show.
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/peeking-through-the-knothole/all-about-ebikes
>
> Happy Saturday riding everyone,
> Collin
>
>
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[RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[ian m]

I had imagined the possibility of a Riv off-roader replacing my current 
Clem, as riding off road is 95% of my riding now, but this bike repeats the 
same design flaw as the Clem. Jones Bikes prove that you can have a huge 
wheelbase for an awesomely stable ride on a Mtn bike, but it shouldn't come 
from long chainstays. Putting the back wheel so far behind the rider's mass 
increases the difficulty in raising the front end, especially while riding 
uphill. While that may seem superfluous for perfectly manicured California 
trails, it's a necessity for riding off road in other places. Unless that 
seat tube is far slacker than the Clem's I think it would be a bear to 
handle on a rocky, rooty uphill. I am jealous of that pump peg tho


On Friday, September 14, 2018 at 11:43:49 PM UTC-4, Collin A wrote:
>
> Looks different, as all rivendell bikes do. It'll be interesting to see 
> how it rides and what the bike industry will think of it at the trade show.
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/peeking-through-the-knothole/all-about-ebikes
>
> Happy Saturday riding everyone,
> Collin
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[masmojo]

I can't say as I hate it!? It seems like a sort of evolution of the Clem to me, 
but I can't say I  would trade my Clementine for one. I would prefer it over my 
Clementine, it solves the water bottle problem & I like the larger, threadless 
steerer; I'll be interested to see how the fork handles those meaty 
wheels/tires.
Regarding climbing; I see a lot of mention of it here & I thought maybe I could 
demystify it for folks.
Good offroad climbing technique trumps most bike design considerations. On a 
hill where you fear losing traction. Get you upper body forward as much as 
possible, low over the handlebars. This prevents the "wheelies". Stay seated, 
then when it gets steep, while maintaining your body position PULL on the 
handlebars. This effectively uses your body position as a lever which pushes 
the back tire into the ground & prevents the dreaded back tire "spin" & loss of 
traction. 
My Surly Ogre has an impossibly short rear triangle, but I can climb some 
pretty steep stuff using this technique. No problem. My main issue is running 
out of juice.

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Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[Reed Kennedy]

On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 7:09 AM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Tangent from the current Blahg: That ebike video was weird. "We don't read
> books" ? 
>

I know, I know! They don't read books, they don't eat nice meals, and their
bikes don't need to be pedaled.

What are they saving all this time and energy for? It must be amazing!


Reed
(Who will be quite abashed when an ebike rider cures cancer.)

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[RBW] Re: [Bulk] European Waterways Booking Form- Urgent

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Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[M Talley]

Speaking of fitting to bikes with 2.8 width tires. Can you imagine a 
V-brake that would work with that wide of a seat stays and have pads that 
reach the rims. It would seem they have to use cantilevers. Just wondering 
- maybe it has been done.
Mark

On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 6:36:09 AM UTC-4, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> Well, I don't think that's necessarily the case--I think there are plenty 
> of folks who wouldn't cotton to the newer generations of Rivendells, even 
> after a spin or two on one. While *I *think they offer a type of ride 
> that almost anyone would enjoy and benefit from, the new Rivs don't fit 
> everyone's perception of what they should be doing on a bicycle, how it 
> should look, etc., etc, etc. Hey, you can lead a horse to water. And that's 
> fine, as long as Rivendell can figure out how to sell enough to make a 
> decent living for everyone involved in the enterprise.  And I'm impressed 
> by Don's apparent faith, keeping track of Rivendell despite ZERO interest 
> in any of the bicycles released by the company in the last decade (the 
> Rodeo came out around this time in 2009.) Hope springs eternal!
>
> I think the Hill Bike looks wonderful, and with the conditions found on 
> many streets these days, it would make a sensible commuter for during the 
> week riding. Wonder what fenders would fit over the 2.8 x 27.5?
>
> On Sunday, September 16, 2018 at 10:51:08 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> The "sweepback bar cruisers" ride great, as does my Roadini. In my 
>> opinion only someone who's never ridden the new models would dismiss them. 
>
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[RBW] Re: Introduction from RBW fans in NZ

[WETH]

Chris,
Congratulations on the new Hunq.  Having owned an LHT and several Rivs, the 
Hunq is my absolute favorite.  I look forward to seeing photos when you 
have them completed.
All the best,
Erl

On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 1:08:26 AM UTC-4, Chris in NZ wrote:
>
> Hello everybody 
>
> I’ve been a member of this forum for a while but haven’t had much to 
> contribute so far aside from the odd comment on a couple of threads. 
> However, I thought I would introduce myself in anticipation of a post in 
> the coming weeks once I assemble a couple of dream bikes (Hunqapillars for 
> myself and my partner!) 
>
>  My partner and I live in Dunedin, New Zealand, and we are avid 
> commuter/utility riders as well as occasional cycle tourists. We currently 
> ride LHTs, have recently bought for short trips and we have a beautiful 
> sage Hubbuhubbuh. 
>
> I had my adult rediscovery of bikes a few years ago when I quit what I was 
> doing, bought the LHT and spent four months touring NZ. During that tour I 
> met a guy riding a bike unlike any I had seen at that point, and until I 
> saw that it had modern Shimano components, I believed must have been a 
> relic.. What really made an impression on me was that he seemed to glide 
> along the road rather than ride and couldn’t believe riding a bike could be 
> so joyous (as much as I enjoyed riding my LHT). I wrote down the word 
> “Atlantis”, and when I finally had a chance to google it, I fell headlong 
> into the Rivendell universe! I found out recently from an old blug that 
> this was Caddie Mike  - if you’re on here Mike, thanks! 
>
> I met my partner shortly after I finished that tour and indoctrinated her 
> into cycling for fun and utility, eventually built her a LHT also, and we 
> both ended up with Albatross bars and a longing for a Rivendell bike... 
> We thought the HHH might sate us but ultimately we both needed singles 
> too! We pushed the button on two Hunqs in January and just received them. 
> Once I’ve got them assembled I’ll report back... 
>
> Chris

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Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[Ryan M.]

After riding the Appaloosa for a little bit I’m totally sold on the current 
long chain stay thing Riv has going. So far after owning other Riva, the App is 
my favorite Rivendell. 

This Hill bike has some details that I really appreciate for a “mountain bike.” 
 The threadless fork/headset and the full length brake housing are both 
positives for a bike that rolls through the dirt, rock, grass, and mud, which 
is the way I would ride it. I’m very curious to see a geometry chart for this 
bike. It looks like it would make a fine trail riding bike.

That janky brake cable routing in the rear makes me wonder why they would 
insist on canti posts instead of going with a disc brake, at least for the 
rear. With the plus tires one probably cannot use v brakes as the arms won’t be 
long enough, so cantis are the only choice. IMHO it is a poor choice for a bike 
that rolls through the dirt, rock, grass, and mud. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[Joe Bernard]

I guess the direction Riv has taken works for me because Grant and I both seem 
to favor "go for a ride" rides as opposed to "I gotta hit 20/40/60 miles today" 
rides, and we live in the same hilly and mostly dry area. It's certainly fine 
to not be into a particular style of bike - maybe the look and colors don't 
work for you - I just think a current Riv rider would be hard-pressed to 
dislike the ride if they actually rode one. 

Tangent from the current Blahg: That ebike video was weird. "We don't read 
books" ? 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[ChrisB]

I love the new bike and Riv's current direction. The bikes are more 
accessible to a wider audience both design-wise and cost-wise and challenge 
you to think differently (maybe in way that's more in tune with others and 
the terrain). I like that the Hill Bike remains straight-forward to service 
and can be fitted out with economical parts / with versatility, as has 
always been the Riv tradition. The colors, fork blade curves, steel and 
lugs speak to the Riv heritage: the best of the old with the best of the 
new! Bike Industry Haters: Eat my (Musa) shorts!!

On Monday, 17 September 2018 14:04:36 UTC+1, iamkeith wrote:
>
> On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 4:36:09 AM UTC-6, Mark in Beacon wrote:
> >Wonder what fenders would fit over the 2.8 x 27.5?
>
> https://www.sks-germany.com/en/products/bluemels-75-u/
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[RBW] Re: Northeast Riv Unmeeting 2018, Interest/Headcount, Columbus Day Weekend

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

Hiya Dwight,
Call the clerk's office and they'll take care of you.   (585) 394-1120 x2225

Read the thread to see how the process works, it's a little antiquated.

Cheers


On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 1:08:34 AM UTC-4, Dwight Fischer wrote:
>
> Hi all, maybe I missed it, but does someone have contact information on 
> the Y camp to reserve a cabin?
> Thanks
> Dwight onna Homer
>
>
> On Friday, 7 September 2018 16:00:03 UTC-4, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus 
> Bicycles wrote:
>
>> Hi Marc!
>> Yeah it's a bit antiquatedthe way I did it is I called first to see 
>> if the cabin I wanted was availablethey reserve it for you and direct 
>> you to fill out the formthen you send the form and paymentand they 
>> respond with final confirmation.
>>
>> It's a very easy process  
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[iamkeith]

On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 4:36:09 AM UTC-6, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>Wonder what fenders would fit over the 2.8 x 27.5?

https://www.sks-germany.com/en/products/bluemels-75-u/

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Re: [RBW] FS: 58 Sam Hillborne, dark orange

[tom coppedge]

Hey Peter,
I dbl checked and measured 85.6cm. That’s with the stock Alex DM18 rims,
and the Kenda Qwik Tendril 38 tires pumped to 45lb.

I noticed Riv’s geo chart for the 58 Sam lists stand over at 86.3. That
must be with the max tire width of 44 or 45.

Glad to provide more details - let me know.

Thanks,
Tom

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> Hi Tom
> Can you give me a measurement from the ground to midpoint of top tube?
> Many thanks, Peter
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[RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[Garth]

 I get that !   We are not limited to or by any of these production 
models. If it appeals, great ! If not , so what !   The more I see models 
that have no appeal, or are not exactly what I'd love to ride,  the more I 
appreciate what I DO ride right now ... and THAT I ride at all the 
effin' Joy of just riding along  the we ! . which is 
the whole point of any of this in the first place !   

  

  

 
On Sunday, September 16, 2018 at 9:35:54 PM UTC-4, Don Compton wrote:
>
> I really like my Roadeo and loved my Ram. I appreciate Grant's vision. 
> But, I have ZERO interest in his new models. He lost my interest.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Well, I don't think that's necessarily the case--I think there are plenty 
of folks who wouldn't cotton to the newer generations of Rivendells, even 
after a spin or two on one. While *I *think they offer a type of ride that 
almost anyone would enjoy and benefit from, the new Rivs don't fit 
everyone's perception of what they should be doing on a bicycle, how it 
should look, etc., etc, etc. Hey, you can lead a horse to water. And that's 
fine, as long as Rivendell can figure out how to sell enough to make a 
decent living for everyone involved in the enterprise.  And I'm impressed 
by Don's apparent faith, keeping track of Rivendell despite ZERO interest 
in any of the bicycles released by the company in the last decade (the 
Rodeo came out around this time in 2009.) Hope springs eternal!

I think the Hill Bike looks wonderful, and with the conditions found on 
many streets these days, it would make a sensible commuter for during the 
week riding. Wonder what fenders would fit over the 2.8 x 27.5?

On Sunday, September 16, 2018 at 10:51:08 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
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> The "sweepback bar cruisers" ride great, as does my Roadini. In my opinion 
> only someone who's never ridden the new models would dismiss them. 

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[RBW] WTB: Completely knackered Brooks B68 (Going to try re-hanging a leather top)

[Ben Miller]

LeRoy,

I don't have a knackered B68, nor have I tried rehanging a saddle. But I have 
got a custom saddle from Obsidian Monarch. He used an old Brooks frame and 
rehung it with new leather and did custom leather work on it. It's great! 
Definitely thicker leather than on a regular Brooks, so takes a while to break 
in. But I imagine it lasts longer. 

I say go for it man! Do you need a mold to shape the leather? That might be the 
hardest part. 

Ben

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