Re: [RBW] Re: Weighing options: Clem L vs. Cheviot (vs. ?)

[Tully Lanter]

Joe - yep, my mistake. I read stoutness into your words re: the more
MTB-like...thanks for clarifying. Makes sense!

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On Mon, Oct 8, 2018, 9:55 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Tully, just to be clear, I didn't mention stoutness..they're both plenty
> stout to me at 190 pounds. For me the Cheviot has a lighter-feeling "road
> bike" ride, which Adam may be reflecting as stiffer.
>
> Overall both felt plush to me, especially in comparison to my current
> Roadini. But like you say, tires matter..the Roadini 700c wheels are
> carrying significantly narrow tires than I had on the other bikes. Shorter
> stays, too.
>
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[RBW] Re: Weighing options: Clem L vs. Cheviot (vs. ?)

[Joe Bernard]

Tully, just to be clear, I didn't mention stoutness..they're both plenty stout 
to me at 190 pounds. For me the Cheviot has a lighter-feeling "road bike" ride, 
which Adam may be reflecting as stiffer.  

Overall both felt plush to me, especially in comparison to my current Roadini. 
But like you say, tires matter..the Roadini 700c wheels are carrying 
significantly narrow tires than I had on the other bikes. Shorter stays, too. 

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[RBW] Roadkill intense increase in your area this week?

[Lum Gim Fong]

Ps- Riv content:I  rode my Roadeo on 23 mile commute today and hit a couple 
chum patches along the way. Glad I didn’t get a flat. Good reason to carry 
latex gloves in the banana sax for grotty tube changes.  Swung by a bloated 
deer carcass and ran thru the smear as I passed. I think it was dry though. I 
hope I didn’t flat. Don’t want to touch the tires until I get a few miles in to 
burn off any blood.


I was thinking what would makevso many animals go out into the road all the 
sudden: Mating season?, New migration from construction? Rabies outbreak? I 
feel bad for these animals. So much traffic. They don’t have a chance.

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[RBW] Roadkill intense increase in your area this week?

[Lum Gim Fong]

I don’t know what is going on in Howard County, MD, but seems like all the 
sudden there are dead deer and raccoons all over the place near my neck of the 
woods. I love animals and it is heartbreaking to see.

I hope I don’t hit anything by car or bike. Scary!

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[RBW] Re: Weighing options: Clem L vs. Cheviot (vs. ?)

[Tully Lanter]

Lum, lambbo - Agreed on looks! Striking from end to end, head badge 
included. Not sure it could get nicer.

Bicycle Belle (great username!) - Yes, it would be the 52cm, and I found 
the thread you mentioned just yesterday. Our local buses can accommodate a 
wheelbase of 46"...and Mr. Pythagoras tells me ~46.5" on the 52...so I 
imagine it's close enough.

Joe, Adam - Interesting to hear pretty much opposite takes on their 
stoutness! If nothing else, that speaks to the difference that the right 
tires make. 

Aesthetics push me toward the Cheviot, no question. V-brakes would be nice, 
but I'm satisfied with long-reach Tektro sidepulls and salmon Kool-Stops on 
my commuter. But the tire clearance...and *budget* clearance...of a Clem 
are appealing. Perhaps wisest not to split too many hairs, but take 
whichever comes up first, knowing I *really *can't go wrong here.


On Monday, October 8, 2018 at 7:40:57 PM UTC-7, Adam Leibow wrote:
>
> I own both. I find the Cheviot to be even stouter than the Clem L. some of 
> this sensation is in the tires (supple compass antelope pass on Clem L and 
> heavier schwalbe smart sam on Cheviot), but I think the triangulation 
> (higher toptube and the extra rear triangle make the cheviot's rear end 
> ride some what rock hard. Echoing what above people have said, the V brakes 
> of the Clem L are much stronger than whatever you'll put on the cheviot. 
> They're both amazing bikes. The effective toptube lengths are quite 
> different, so be aware of that. Good luck with your decision. 
>
> On Monday, October 8, 2018 at 3:32:48 PM UTC-7, Tully Lanter wrote:
>>
>> There are too many outstanding Riv frame options for my 
>> middle-of-the-road needs. Nice problem to face! 
>>
>> I've tested a Clem L and liked it. A lot. Silky smooth, 650b (in 52cm), 
>> step-through for those unplanned traffic/trail dismounts, ample tire 
>> clearance... 
>>
>> However, it felt overly stout for my 150 lbs and minimal cargo.
>>
>> Theoretically, the Cheviot seems like it would have a spritelier feel à 
>> la Sam/Homer while keeping the long chainstays and low, stretched-out top 
>> tube. For whoever has ridden some/all of these, is that about right?
>>
>> Not sure whether long-wheelbase models would fit in our buses' bike 
>> racks...but that's another matter!
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Dirt Drop Bar alternative to Cowchipper with 26 clam

[Shawn Granton]

I also have the Origin 8 Gary bars that I'm going to be selling for pretty 
cheap.
-Shawn in PDX

On Saturday, October 6, 2018 at 8:16:05 PM UTC-7, Jonathan D. wrote:
>
> Is anyone familiar with a good alternative to the Salsa Cowchipper Bar 
> with a 26 clamp?  I like the cowchipper bars a lot and would like a similar 
> bar to use with my nitto stems. 

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[RBW] Re: Dirt Drop Bar alternative to Cowchipper with 26 clam

[Jonathan D.]

Adam -  how do they compare in your view?  Have you tried both?

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[RBW] Re: Dirt Drop Bar alternative to Cowchipper with 26 clam

[Adam Leibow]

i have some soma portola bars for sell for cheap if you're interested. 

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> Is anyone familiar with a good alternative to the Salsa Cowchipper Bar 
> with a 26 clamp?  I like the cowchipper bars a lot and would like a similar 
> bar to use with my nitto stems. 

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[RBW] Re: Weighing options: Clem L vs. Cheviot (vs. ?)

[Adam Leibow]

I own both. I find the Cheviot to be even stouter than the Clem L. some of 
this sensation is in the tires (supple compass antelope pass on Clem L and 
heavier schwalbe smart sam on Cheviot), but I think the triangulation 
(higher toptube and the extra rear triangle make the cheviot's rear end 
ride some what rock hard. Echoing what above people have said, the V brakes 
of the Clem L are much stronger than whatever you'll put on the cheviot. 
They're both amazing bikes. The effective toptube lengths are quite 
different, so be aware of that. Good luck with your decision. 

On Monday, October 8, 2018 at 3:32:48 PM UTC-7, Tully Lanter wrote:
>
> There are too many outstanding Riv frame options for my middle-of-the-road 
> needs. Nice problem to face! 
>
> I've tested a Clem L and liked it. A lot. Silky smooth, 650b (in 52cm), 
> step-through for those unplanned traffic/trail dismounts, ample tire 
> clearance... 
>
> However, it felt overly stout for my 150 lbs and minimal cargo.
>
> Theoretically, the Cheviot seems like it would have a spritelier feel à la 
> Sam/Homer while keeping the long chainstays and low, stretched-out top 
> tube. For whoever has ridden some/all of these, is that about right?
>
> Not sure whether long-wheelbase models would fit in our buses' bike 
> racks...but that's another matter!
>

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[RBW] Re: Help with fenders

[Mark Schneider]

Link to Paul's video on fender size per brake 
type. 
https://www.paulcomp.com/video/fender-clearance-and-brakes-motolite-racer-medium-minimoto/

Yes Honjo's are tough to install, I looked at Compass Cycles who also sell 
then but I just found a link to a BQ issue where it's explained (#34), kind 
of a bummer I don't have it I think he should put the instruction on his 
site.

All I got.
Mark

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> I just bought a set of SIMWORKS Honjo 62mm fenders for my Joe Appaloosa - 
> they did not come with any instructions and the parts tags were in 
> Japanese. While I have watched one (the only one I could find) video 
> regarding the installation which looks pretty extensive, I do have some 
> questions if someone has experience with these. Here goes . . .
>
> 1. Drilling the tiny holes for the hardware in aluminum - does that 
> require a special bit? and what would be the best approach to get a clean 
> drill hole result? 
> 2. I have tektro cantilever brakes CR720 on the bike and the brake cable 
> tip rubs on the fender when I put it over the wheel. I don't have much room 
> to cut shorter - and really am 
> new to the cantilever brake system even though i recently replaced the 
> cable hardware as it had rusted. I can lengthen the arch wire so that the 
> brake cable wire may go higher - not sure but wanted to ask before I tore 
> it apart again.
> 3. I'm also looking at the Paul brakes as a replacement but couldn't find 
> any substantive video on whether these would be ok with the fenders - the 
> cantilever touring brakes - any thoughts on this as well would be 
> appreciated.
>
> Guess that's it - hope this works in getting out there. Thanks, D
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Re: [RBW] FS 2011 SAM HILLBORNE FRAMESET + SEAT POST

[Denise Granger]

Its 48cm frame - she’s a great frame for someone - if it doesn’t sell soon, 
I’ll store it away. I know this is a steal! Would like someone to get this that 
will get a lot of fun out of it! Cheers!
 
> On Oct 8, 2018, at 4:52 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> That's a darned good deal for one of Riv's perennial favorites. And it has a 
> single top tube, which is worth an extra $150 to $200 right there.*
> 
> But: What size is it?
> 
> I owned a 55 cm Sam Hill, canti model -- in fact, it had been a Riv shop 
> floor demo and if mine had taken 50 mm tires, I'd have kept it. I did have 
> Dave Porter add mid-fork-leg lowrider brazeons and IIRC one other doodad 
> before I sold it, but I certainly sold mine for more than $500. 
> 
> I don't need a Sam, but they are nice bikes.
> 
> * 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 10:19 AM  > wrote:
> REDUCED PRICING ON FRAMESET - $500 INCLUDES SHIPPING!
> 
> On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 8:21:38 AM UTC-7, nemom...@gmail.com 
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> FS 2011 SAM HILLBORNE FRAMESET + SEAT POST - Hi, Sorry this may be a 
> duplicate posting but I'm learning about this process and I hope to get 
> better with this group - I just used the parts from this frame set to build 
> myself a new Joe Appaloosa which I'm pretty much in love with. Will have more 
> questions on that a little later. But I'm selling this Frameset for $600 + 
> $80 for shipping. I think I've successfully posted this on my google account 
> so here's the link with some pics. Oh and yes, I would consider a partial 
> trade for a front rack and a large basket if anyone is interested in that 
> type of exchange.
> 
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/zJg4H9teqRprB3s9A 
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS 2011 SAM HILLBORNE FRAMESET + SEAT POST

[Patrick Moore]

That's a darned good deal for one of Riv's perennial favorites. *And* it
has a single top tube, which is worth an extra $150 to $200 right there.*

But: What size is it?

I owned a 55 cm Sam Hill, canti model -- in fact, it had been a Riv shop
floor demo and if mine had taken 50 mm tires, I'd have kept it. I did have
Dave Porter add mid-fork-leg lowrider brazeons and IIRC one other doodad
before I sold it, but I certainly sold mine for more than $500.

I don't need a Sam, but they are nice bikes.

*
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> *REDUCED PRICING ON FRAMESET - $500 INCLUDES SHIPPING!*
>
> On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 8:21:38 AM UTC-7, nemom...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> *FS 2011 SAM HILLBORNE FRAMESET + SEAT POST *- Hi, Sorry this may be a
>> duplicate posting but I'm learning about this process and I hope to get
>> better with this group - I just used the parts from this frame set to build
>> myself a new Joe Appaloosa which I'm pretty much in love with. Will have
>> more questions on that a little later. But I'm selling this Frameset for
>> $600 + $80 for shipping. I think I've successfully posted this on my google
>> account so here's the link with some pics. Oh and yes, I would consider a
>> partial trade for a front rack and a large basket if anyone is interested
>> in that type of exchange.
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/zJg4H9teqRprB3s9A
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[RBW] Weighing options: Clem L vs. Cheviot (vs. ?)

[lambbo]

Can only vouch for the Cheviot, which I think is the nicest bike ever.

I have a 60 which is way too long for buses, subways, most trains, and even 
apartments, 
BUT
my friend has the next size down and it's a normal bike size. 

Do it!

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[RBW] Weighing options: Clem L vs. Cheviot (vs. ?)

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I have experience with the Clem L and the Cheviot's predecessor, the Betty Foy. 
The Clem L is just as you say - silky smooth. I don't find it to be heavy or 
clunky in the least, despite the beefy look of its tubes. I weigh less than 150 
(though I'll never say what I do weigh, ha!) and have no trouble maneuvering 
that bike around. It's actually my mother-in-law's, and I ride it during 
summers at her place, and the land there is flatish. I actually love that bike 
for just what it is, and that low top tube is just sublime. I never kick the 
top tube and smudge the paint, that's for sure. 

My Betty Foy is awesome. It is spritely, but I don't feel it's a great deal 
more so than the Clem L. After 6 years of riding it nearly exclusively, it 
feels like an extension of me. It takes loads really well. It's easy to 
maneuver, but not more than the Clem L. I'd prefer a lower top tube that what 
you get on the Riv mixtes. It's fine, but it would be even better a bit lower. 
I've got marks from my boots knicking the paint on the top tube. Ugh.

As far as bus bike racks, are you getting the 52? I believe I once read on this 
forum that someone with that size was able to fit it fine in the bus bike 
rack...

These bikes are so different but so great that I really think you should have 
BOTH. That's bad advice, isn't it... 

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[RBW] Weighing options: Clem L vs. Cheviot (vs. ?)

[Joe Bernard]

I've owned both - 52 L and 55 Chev - and your impressions are correct. Two 
things to consider:

1. The Clem L "toptube" is noticeably lower than the Cheviot's. They're both 
out of the way for planting a foot quickly on the trail, but if you're looking 
to use that feature to step onto the bike - say, to avoid swinging a leg over a 
big saddlebag - the Chev tube was high enough for my stubby legs to qualify as 
not really being different from a diamond frame for me.

2. The v-brakes that came stock on my L were significantly stronger 
(translating to easier hand pressure) than the long-reach Tektro calipers I 
used on the Chev. They also limit tire size compared to the Clem. Granted, 
there's other side- and center-pull brakes out there which I may have liked 
better. 

Conclusion: They're both nice bikes. Cheviot is more of a road bike to Clem's 
mtb-ish vibe, but the one can do pretty much anything the other can do. I would 
say pick your brakes, tire size, standover, price and color, and have fun!

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[RBW] Re: My wife's request for a bike tour

[dougP]

That's good to know.  You're right, the Spring book was in need of 
updating.  Good to see Mountaineers Books is still handling it.

The ACA maps are frequently updated.  Several of us did the Washington 
section a few years ago & had maps with various dates on them.  Lots of 
updates on those too.

doupP

On Monday, October 8, 2018 at 12:53:12 PM UTC-7, Shawn Granton wrote:
>
> On Sunday, October 7, 2018 at 7:52:54 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>>
>> A complimentary resource to the ACA maps is Bicycling the Pacific Coast 
>> by Vicki Spring & Tom Kirkendell (The Mountaineers Books, Seattle).  The 
>> commentaries are more detailed and the route is essentially the same: take 
>> Hwy 1 south.  
>>
>
> To note: Spring/Kirkendell no longer do this book. Their final (4th) 
> edition came out in 2005, and was a bit shopworn then.
> Bill Thorness has taken over the title, and put out a new edition this 
> year:
> http://billthorness.com/cycling-the-pacific-coast/
>
> While the Spring/Kirkendell run was good for its time, the new Thorness 
> version is much improved and has much more detail, so I'd encourage anyone 
> who wants info on touring the Pacific Coast to seek out the new book.
>
> -Shawn in PDX
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[RBW] Re: Weighing options: Clem L vs. Cheviot (vs. ?)

[Lum Gim Fong]

For looks: Cheviut. No contest, imho.

For 150 lbs., I will say that I have personally found (at 146-178lbs at any 
given time) that *all* Rivbikes are too stout for me except the Roadeo. I 
cannot ride anything *at or more* than 8/5/8 tubing or bogs down on hills 
for me. Maybe I am a weakling. In all other ways you can't find a better 
riding bike, than a Rivendell, imho.

But if it is a toss up between Chevy and Clem, definitely a Chevy. Much, 
much  prettier bike. Way more elegant.

Again, if function isn't an issue.
I don't know what the functional diffs are between them.

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[RBW] Re: Help with fenders

[Lum Gim Fong]

Shape the fender radius to the arc of your tires by using your fingers to 
slightly push the sides together all along its length (makes fender 
longer/ends move away from tire) or spreading them apart with fingers on 
each side of fender and the thumb along the spine all along its length  
(makes fender radius tighter, hugging the curve of the tire better and 
closer on the ends.
Never grab the ends of the fender and pull or push them towards/away from 
each other. You will kink the fender.

*It must be attached to the chainstay bridge. *You can buy nylon 
spacers/steel spacers/cork spacers at a hardware store.
Next attach to Seatstay bridge.
Do all this with the stays attached to fender but not to frame yet.
Attach stays to frame last, under no tension.

Right now I am in single combat with a Berthoud fender over a 32mm tire on 
a Rambouillet and it just...won't...fit. Front was fine, but rear...no way. 
Even after trying different things with the mounting points the tire is 
just...too..big. So I will install 28mm tires, which I was planning all 
along.
But I like to install fenders with largest tires possible first (if I have 
them) to get maximum clearance for the smaller ones I will actually use.
So 32mm fender installation for 28mm tires = massive clearance. I like alot 
of clearance.

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[RBW] Weighing options: Clem L vs. Cheviot (vs. ?)

[Tully Lanter]

There are too many outstanding Riv frame options for my middle-of-the-road 
needs. Nice problem to face! 

I've tested a Clem L and liked it. A lot. Silky smooth, 650b (in 52cm), 
step-through for those unplanned traffic/trail dismounts, ample tire 
clearance... 

However, it felt overly stout for my 150 lbs and minimal cargo.

Theoretically, the Cheviot seems like it would have a spritelier feel à la 
Sam/Homer while keeping the long chainstays and low, stretched-out top 
tube. For whoever has ridden some/all of these, is that about right?

Not sure whether long-wheelbase models would fit in our buses' bike 
racks...but that's another matter!

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[RBW] Re: Dirt Drop Bar alternative to Cowchipper with 26 clam

[Kellie]

Sim Works To Smile and Smile bars

On Saturday, October 6, 2018 at 8:16:05 PM UTC-7, Jonathan D. wrote:
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> Is anyone familiar with a good alternative to the Salsa Cowchipper Bar 
> with a 26 clamp?  I like the cowchipper bars a lot and would like a similar 
> bar to use with my nitto stems. 

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[RBW] Re: Whatbars.com

['Eric Myers' via RBW Owners Bunch]

What a useful tool!  And timely too.  Thanks for sharing it here.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Help with fenders

[Patrick Moore]

Your efforts paid off well; it looks like an ace job, if I may facetiously
use a British slang term.

Patrick "I'll bet you're chuffed to bits. My first attempt was a dog's
breakfast" Moore

On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 9:02 AM  wrote:

> Hi, just finally completed this project on my new bike - thank you guys
> for all the help it was really helpful - I've posted a few pics if anyone
> wants to take a look!
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/76jda9iH4UBtfdpHA
>
> On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 8:17:34 AM UTC-7, nemom...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> I just bought a set of SIMWORKS Honjo 62mm fenders for my Joe Appaloosa -
>> they did not come with any instructions and the parts tags were in
>> Japanese. While I have watched one (the only one I could find) video
>> regarding the installation which looks pretty extensive, I do have some
>> questions if someone has experience with these. Here goes . . .
>>
>> 1. Drilling the tiny holes for the hardware in aluminum - does that
>> require a special bit? and what would be the best approach to get a clean
>> drill hole result?
>> 2. I have tektro cantilever brakes CR720 on the bike and the brake cable
>> tip rubs on the fender when I put it over the wheel. I don't have much room
>> to cut shorter - and really am
>> new to the cantilever brake system even though i recently replaced the
>> cable hardware as it had rusted. I can lengthen the arch wire so that the
>> brake cable wire may go higher - not sure but wanted to ask before I tore
>> it apart again.
>> 3. I'm also looking at the Paul brakes as a replacement but couldn't find
>> any substantive video on whether these would be ok with the fenders - the
>> cantilever touring brakes - any thoughts on this as well would be
>> appreciated.
>>
>> Guess that's it - hope this works in getting out there. Thanks, D
>>
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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Richard Rios]

Great question!  I am a golden ager for sure.  Have an Atlantis, Rambo, and 
Simple 1.  Sold a Toyo Hilsen and have serious regrets about that one...

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> My favorite label haters are the No Labels group. They have a label. 

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Re: [RBW] My wife's request for a bike tour

[Patrick Moore]

I've no advice to give, but I for one would be very interested to read
reports and see photos of your family cycling vacation.

I hope it goes well.

On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 5:57 PM Kip Otteson  wrote:

> My wife requested that we do a bike tour this upcoming summer.  This is a
> pretty rare request and when she mentioned it I jumped at the chance.  I'm
> planning on riding the Pacific Coast route as laid out by Adventure
> Cycling.  We are not doing the whole trip, but are going to be riding from
> Southern Oregon and will be ending up in the OC.  The crew will be me, my
> wife, and two kids, daughter (12) and son (15).  We have ridden a few tours
> in SE Asia but nothing this long.  Not remotely.  I'll be on my Bombadil,
> my wife on her Heron, and my son on a Surly Pack Rat, daughter on an 86'
> Panasonic Mountain Cat 4500.  We plan on being on the road from the 10th of
> June till around the middle of July.  We are both school teachers so this
> is doable as far as work is concerned.  Being teachers, we are on a budget
> and plan on camping as much as we can.  We have used Warm Showers in the
> past and are hosts.  That is a great deal, for sure.
>
> I'm looking for any suggestions from folks that have done this.  Good
> places to camp, words of advice on road conditions, etc.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Kip
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Re: [RBW] Help with fenders

[Kainalu V.]

It's not ok not to attach here, but it is ok to attach by any means at your 
disposal. WWGD says a cork is the ideal spacer for that spot.
-Kai
BKNY

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[RBW] Re: FS: 18" Trek 950, Riv-inspired build - $325

[CMR]

Bump!

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[RBW] My wife's request for a bike tour

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Kip, 

First ... sweet! Sounds a blast! Second, I second the idea of considering a 
less trafficed path. I recall being surprised by how much traffic was there for 
an official bike route (but then, I’m rather spoiled in this neck of the 
woods). Perhaps a blend of routes, hitting the remote sections of the coast and 
then going more inland? Unless traffic has no effect on your or your wife and 
kids’ enjoyment of the days’ rides, may be worth considering.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Whatbars.com

[Ash]

God bless this person!!


So useful.

Thanks for sharing.



On Sunday, 7 October 2018 16:11:33 UTC-7, Stephen W. wrote:
>
> Thought you gals and fellas might find this useful and/or interesting. If 
> this is too "off topic" put the kabash to it. 
>
> http://whatbars.com
>
> Stephen
>
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[RBW] Re: My wife's request for a bike tour

[Shawn Granton]

On Sunday, October 7, 2018 at 7:52:54 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>
> A complimentary resource to the ACA maps is Bicycling the Pacific Coast by 
> Vicki Spring & Tom Kirkendell (The Mountaineers Books, Seattle).  The 
> commentaries are more detailed and the route is essentially the same: take 
> Hwy 1 south.  
>

To note: Spring/Kirkendell no longer do this book. Their final (4th) 
edition came out in 2005, and was a bit shopworn then.
Bill Thorness has taken over the title, and put out a new edition this year:
http://billthorness.com/cycling-the-pacific-coast/

While the Spring/Kirkendell run was good for its time, the new Thorness 
version is much improved and has much more detail, so I'd encourage anyone 
who wants info on touring the Pacific Coast to seek out the new book.

-Shawn in PDX

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[RBW] Re: Roadeo Future?

[Brian Campbell]

This is why I have held on to my 61cm AHH. I fall "in between" sizes and 
thought of getting a 59cm Roadeo. I had the  same conversation with Mark at 
Riv and decide that there were more similarities than differences so it was 
not a meaningful change.  The e-mail exchange below:

Mark,

 

Hi. I spoke with Will and he suggested an e-mail to you. I ride a 61cm AHH 
(really like it) but am finding I am doing more and more riding where I am 
focused on riding by itself, not carrying things or commuting per se. I was 
considering a Roadeo (also in 61cm or perhaps 59cm size, I can fit both per 
Riv’s sizing method 87cm PB height)) and aside from rear spacing, shifter 
mounts, tires size and slight front end geometry difference on the Roadeo, 
is there a meaningful difference in the tubing types between the two 
frames? If yes, could you let me know what they might be?

 

Thanks,

 

Brian



"Hi Brian, 

 

In sizes 59cm and up, the tube spec is pretty similar between the Roadeo 
and Hilsen.  So, the main difference with probably come from lighter 
components and smaller volume tires, resulting in a more spirited ride 
feel. This along with slight geometry differences would differentiate the 
two models.  

 

Any other questions, let me know.

 
Mark:



On Monday, October 8, 2018 at 11:03:46 AM UTC-4, Christopher Murray wrote:
>
> I was at RBHQ in 2010 or 2011 and spoke with Kevin about the Rodeo. My 
> recollection is he said the tubing is basically the same on the 59cm and up 
> Rodeos and AHH. I ride smaller bikes so I didn’t pay much attention or 
> think much of it. I’m sure a quick call to Riv would sort this out. 
>
> Chris

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Re: [RBW] Re: Truing wheels question.

[lconley]

I trued wheels on the bike for 30 years. 
If I wasn't on the road or if I was building from scratch, I took the tire 
off and rubber banded a 10mm combination wrench to the brake pads for the 
up and down.
A few years ago, I bought a Park truing stand, dish tool and tension meter 
and did some more reading on the subject. I am never going back to on the 
bike unless out on the road. I think the biggest improvement was using 
better never-seize on the spokes - less spoke twist and more tension on the 
spokes before the spoke nipples gave up. I am not a Rich or a Peter White, 
but I can build a fairly true wheel.

Laing
Cocoa, FL

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Re: [RBW] Re: Truing wheels question.

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

For the home mechanic doing a minor truing, the age-old technique of “plucking” 
the spokes works pretty well. As the tension of a spoke increases, its sound 
when plucked goes up in frequency. Plunk the spokes to find the ones that are 
loose (lower tones) and avoid putting too much tension by getting the tone of 
the adjusted spokes to more or less match the tones of the spokes around it.

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> On Oct 8, 2018, at 9:28 AM, nemomom...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Definitely should test on another wheel. I'm not sure I agree with the idea 
> that you don't need a tensometer to verify your moves so you don't over 
> tighten, but I do know small moves are better and having a truing stand is 
> really helpful. I would recommend a drop of oil on each of the nipples on the 
> wheel you're testing on because likely it's an old wheel you pulled out of 
> the garage or the alley and you may strip the threads on the spokes. It's 
> just a good habit to get into whenever even if you're not building a new 
> wheel. Doesn't hurt!
> 
> On Saturday, October 6, 2018 at 8:28:00 AM UTC-7, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
> Was wondering if this is easy to do for a first timer, or could I mess up the 
> spoke tension and cause big probs.
> 
> Of course, safety is my first concern. I don't want to mess up the wheel and 
> cause a safety issue.
> 
> But it is a skill I would like to have so I don't have to run to the LBS over 
> something that may be simple to do myself.
> 
> Books make it seem simple.
> 
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Re: [RBW] FS: Clem L 59cm - Grilver - Frameset - New - $750 plus shipping

[David B]

I responded to Paul offlist, but I could add the following to the general 
list.
While my intention was to sell outright, interesting trades considered, 
specifically frames for a taller rider, ~93cm pbh.

Also considering selling my Black Mountain Monstercross to make way for 
something new.
David
River Grove, IL

On Monday, October 8, 2018 at 9:24:14 AM UTC-5, Paul wrote:
>
> Any interest in a trade for a 60cm Yves Gomez frame? It's like a Cheviot 
> but shorter chainstays.
>
> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018, 8:39 AM David B > 
> wrote:
>
>> I did a silly thing and bought a Clem L frameset when I already have a 
>> Clem H built up. I've decided to stick with my H.
>> So selling this one for what I paid recently on this list.
>>
>> Rivendell Clem L Frameset
>> New, never built up.
>> Grilver color.
>> 59cm. Curved stay version.
>> Includes frame, fork, headset, bottom bracket, seatpost.
>> Email for photos.
>>
>> $750 plus shipping.
>> I'm in River Grove, IL, just west of Chicago, if you're local. 
>> Thanks!
>> David
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[RBW] Re: Truing wheels question.

[nemomom123]

Definitely should test on another wheel. I'm not sure I agree with the idea 
that you don't need a tensometer to verify your moves so you don't over 
tighten, but I do know small moves are better and having a truing stand is 
really helpful. I would recommend a drop of oil on each of the nipples on 
the wheel you're testing on because likely it's an old wheel you pulled out 
of the garage or the alley and you may strip the threads on the spokes. 
It's just a good habit to get into whenever even if you're not building a 
new wheel. Doesn't hurt!

On Saturday, October 6, 2018 at 8:28:00 AM UTC-7, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Was wondering if this is easy to do for a first timer, or could I mess up 
> the spoke tension and cause big probs.
>
> Of course, safety is my first concern. I don't want to mess up the wheel 
> and cause a safety issue.
>
> But it is a skill I would like to have so I don't have to run to the LBS 
> over something that may be simple to do myself.
>
> Books make it seem simple.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS 2011 SAM HILLBORNE FRAMESET + SEAT POST

[nemomom123]

*REDUCED PRICING ON FRAMESET - $500 INCLUDES SHIPPING!*

On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 8:21:38 AM UTC-7, nemom...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> *FS 2011 SAM HILLBORNE FRAMESET + SEAT POST *- Hi, Sorry this may be a 
> duplicate posting but I'm learning about this process and I hope to get 
> better with this group - I just used the parts from this frame set to build 
> myself a new Joe Appaloosa which I'm pretty much in love with. Will have 
> more questions on that a little later. But I'm selling this Frameset for 
> $600 + $80 for shipping. I think I've successfully posted this on my google 
> account so here's the link with some pics. Oh and yes, I would consider a 
> partial trade for a front rack and a large basket if anyone is interested 
> in that type of exchange.
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/zJg4H9teqRprB3s9A
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[RBW] Re: Roadeo Future?

[Joe Bernard]

Speaking of such matters, there's a red 57 on Ebay. A demo that was on the Riv 
site for a while. 

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[RBW] Re: handlebar/stem bags - what do people like?

[RichS]

That’s a beautiful machine. Compliments on the fender line!

Best,
Rich in ATL

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Re: [RBW] Re: Blahg Post Ethiopian Shoes

[Doug H.]

Per the latest Blahg post Grant received his shoes after a lengthy wait. 
Patience is a virtue, right? I hope you’ll receive your shoes and be happy with 
them. I look forward to some reviews. 
Doug

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Re: [RBW] Re: Blahg Post Ethiopian Shoes

[masmojo]

They got back to me with a ship date of the 13th & a tracking number; which 
basically to me means they hadn't even started them yet, as that was on the 2nd 
or 3rd.
So, I'm still in wait & see mode. I'll see if I get anything on the 13th & then 
on about the 18th if not received I'll be in touch with the credit card 
company. 

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[RBW] Re: New SimWorks rack

[Lester Lammers]

It look a lot like the Soma Demi Porteur  rack. I have one on my MIT 
Atlantis. Perfect fit. It was designed to fit Riv fork bosses. 

https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/demi-porteur-rack

On Saturday, October 6, 2018 at 12:33:51 PM UTC-4, Justin, Oakland wrote:

> This looks fantastic. 
>
> https://www.instagram.com/p/Boj0WokBQai/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet=7qhfwfqkrx8p
>
> -J
>

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[RBW] Re: Obenauf's on shoes?

[Greg Bellinger]

Obenaufs oil works great on the inside of dress shoes to keep the leather 
soft. I also use it on the outside of my Allen Edmonds dress shoes, let it 
sink in and them polish as usual. It prevents the leather from cracking 
after repeatedly getting wet in Seattle.

On Friday, January 5, 2018 at 6:57:00 AM UTC-8, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Does it make leather dress shoes look nice or is it a more utilitarian 
> finish to it?
>
> Interested because it is a one time application for weatherproofing.
>

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[RBW] Re: Roadeo Future?

[Christopher Murray]

I was at RBHQ in 2010 or 2011 and spoke with Kevin about the Rodeo. My 
recollection is he said the tubing is basically the same on the 59cm and up 
Rodeos and AHH. I ride smaller bikes so I didn’t pay much attention or think 
much of it. I’m sure a quick call to Riv would sort this out.

Chris

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem L 59 -- Considering a purchase

[James Davis]

I got a forest green Clem 59-L about a month ago (my PBH is 89). When I
decide which bike to ride to work each morning, It has been giving my
Atlantis a run for its money. Yes, I enjoy it that much. It’s a magical
bike like all rivendells tend to be.

I have had no issues with the water bottle cage getting in the way when I
stop and straddle the bike. That is likely because I typically stand over
the lowest part of the swoop, closer to the saddle. However, even when I am
leaning forward on my handle bars at stop lights, I have never become aware
of the water bottle cage.

James
Denver, CO

On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 10:13 PM RDS  wrote:

> To those that have a clem ... when you are carrying a bottle in the bottle
> cage, does it get it the way when you stop or are straddling the bike?
> Yeah, I'm kind of torn b/t the colors.  I live in Georgia, so very doubtful
> that a test ride is possible
>
>
> On Friday, October 5, 2018 at 2:49:36 PM UTC-4, RDS wrote:
>>
>> I am thinking of getting a Clem L frame or complete bike.
>>
>> The latest catalog has a min PBH of 83 for the size 59.  I am 83+/-.
>> Anyone near PBH own one and have any comments?  I am overweight, so most
>> riding will be paved paths.
>>
>> Looks like Gray or Green for a color choice.  Your vote?
>>
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[RBW] FS Large Saddlesack Tan with Pletcher Rack Plate

[Vincent Tamer]

https://photos.app.goo.gl/AWn8Sv1WzHXpAhMs6


I purchased this Large Tan Sack off a member of the Bunch a few months back. It 
is in pretty good condition, only used around 9 times by previous owner. A few 
light brown patches from dirt but not too bad. 

I modified the Sack because I wanted to attach it to my Clem Rack via the quick 
release Rack Plate that can be installed on various objects. I installed the 
plate on the Sack and it fits well. It adds an extra bit of security when 
working with large loads. The plate can be removed but I figured I could keep 
them together in case someone wants to run this setup. I purchased another 
large sack a while back, green just works so much better than the Tan for my 
mustard Clem, so I had to go with that offer. 

Take a look at the pics and see if it is a setup  you want!

I’d be happy to get $200 for this. I paid $210 and the Rack Plate was $35 
(imported from Swissland). Aside from modifying the bag, I only used it on one 
ride in the hills. Message me for more info!

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[RBW] Re: FS: Component bonanza! Shimano, SRAM, Soma, Sugino & TRP

[nemomom123]

Hi, what is the length of the crank arm, if it's 170 I would be very 
interested - also is the rear and front derailleurs - please let me know - 
thanks, D

On Saturday, October 6, 2018 at 4:43:15 PM UTC-7, Sean Cleary wrote:
>
> Some items have sold. 
>
> Still for sale: 
>
> • Soma Portola  26mm handlebar  56cm (used 3 rides)  $40
> • Sugino 48-36-24 9 speed triple crank and Shimano bottom bracket. $80
> • Shimano Deore 9 speed rear + Sora triple front derailleurs $40 for both 
> • Vintage Suntour stem shifters – open to offer
>
>  Prices include shipping in the lower 48 states
>
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[RBW] Re: Help with fenders

[nemomom123]

Hi, just finally completed this project on my new bike - thank you guys for 
all the help it was really helpful - I've posted a few pics if anyone wants 
to take a look!

https://photos.app.goo.gl/76jda9iH4UBtfdpHA

On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 8:17:34 AM UTC-7, nemom...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I just bought a set of SIMWORKS Honjo 62mm fenders for my Joe Appaloosa - 
> they did not come with any instructions and the parts tags were in 
> Japanese. While I have watched one (the only one I could find) video 
> regarding the installation which looks pretty extensive, I do have some 
> questions if someone has experience with these. Here goes . . .
>
> 1. Drilling the tiny holes for the hardware in aluminum - does that 
> require a special bit? and what would be the best approach to get a clean 
> drill hole result? 
> 2. I have tektro cantilever brakes CR720 on the bike and the brake cable 
> tip rubs on the fender when I put it over the wheel. I don't have much room 
> to cut shorter - and really am 
> new to the cantilever brake system even though i recently replaced the 
> cable hardware as it had rusted. I can lengthen the arch wire so that the 
> brake cable wire may go higher - not sure but wanted to ask before I tore 
> it apart again.
> 3. I'm also looking at the Paul brakes as a replacement but couldn't find 
> any substantive video on whether these would be ok with the fenders - the 
> cantilever touring brakes - any thoughts on this as well would be 
> appreciated.
>
> Guess that's it - hope this works in getting out there. Thanks, D
>

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[RBW] My wife's request for a bike tour

[Matt C.]

Kip,

May I recommend this podcast on bike touring the Pacific Coast:

https://castbox.fm/vb/3096376

Also, he has other episodes that discuss different sections he has done that 
were shorter. I think in 2017 he did a southern Oregon to San Francisco ride. 
I'm sure if you read episode descriptions you could easily find it.

Best of luck on your tour next summer!

Matt Cook
Bristol, RI

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[RBW] Re: Ride recap - country biking on local paths

[Ed Carolipio]

Thanks for sharing, especially the photos.

--Ed C.

On Sunday, October 7, 2018 at 9:36:40 PM UTC-7, Tully Lanter wrote:
>
> Riv content: Albatross-inspired handlebars ;)
>
> Seattle-area weather gets fickle around this time of year. There's an 
> equal chance of crisp, sunny days and gray, drizzly ones. Saturday was 
> closer to the former. With the Quickbeam en route to a new home, I took my 
> commuter out into the fall foliage for a between-Rivs "country biking" 
> session. 
>
> Some photos and comments are here 
> .
>
> It totaled about 20 miles with, perhaps, a couple thousand feet of total 
> climbing. I previously rode that route last winter on a light, 20-speed 
> "gravel" bike (long since sold due to lack of utility). The fairly upright 
> single-speed was a totally different experience, but a *more* enjoyable 
> one despite the grunting and groaning that a sole, 62" gear induces on 15% 
> hills. I was delighted with the combination of 480mm chainstays and a 
> longer top tube with Albatross-like bars, even on fairly harsh 35c tires 
> that weren't totally up to the task.
>
> It took all of five miles to become clear that a little more of the 
> same--a bit more chainstay length, BB drop, tire clearance, not to mention 
> Riv build quality--would be sublime.
>

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Re: [RBW] FS: Clem L 59cm - Grilver - Frameset - New - $750 plus shipping

[Paul Sanders]

Any interest in a trade for a 60cm Yves Gomez frame? It's like a Cheviot
but shorter chainstays.

On Mon, Oct 8, 2018, 8:39 AM David B  wrote:

> I did a silly thing and bought a Clem L frameset when I already have a
> Clem H built up. I've decided to stick with my H.
> So selling this one for what I paid recently on this list.
>
> Rivendell Clem L Frameset
> New, never built up.
> Grilver color.
> 59cm. Curved stay version.
> Includes frame, fork, headset, bottom bracket, seatpost.
> Email for photos.
>
> $750 plus shipping.
> I'm in River Grove, IL, just west of Chicago, if you're local.
> Thanks!
> David
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[RBW] FS: Clem L 59cm - Grilver - Frameset - New - $750 plus shipping

[David B]

I did a silly thing and bought a Clem L frameset when I already have a Clem 
H built up. I've decided to stick with my H.
So selling this one for what I paid recently on this list.

Rivendell Clem L Frameset
New, never built up.
Grilver color.
59cm. Curved stay version.
Includes frame, fork, headset, bottom bracket, seatpost.
Email for photos.

$750 plus shipping.
I'm in River Grove, IL, just west of Chicago, if you're local. 
Thanks!
David


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[RBW] Re: My wife's request for a bike tour

[stevef]

If it were me, I'd opt for the Cascade route over the coastal route.  Lower 
traffic, less development and, well-I'm more of a mountain view guy than an 
ocean view guy but that's just me...

Good luck, Steve

On Sunday, October 7, 2018 at 7:57:13 PM UTC-4, Kip Otteson wrote:
>
> My wife requested that we do a bike tour this upcoming summer.  This is a 
> pretty rare request and when she mentioned it I jumped at the chance.  I'm 
> planning on riding the Pacific Coast route as laid out by Adventure 
> Cycling.  We are not doing the whole trip, but are going to be riding from 
> Southern Oregon and will be ending up in the OC.  The crew will be me, my 
> wife, and two kids, daughter (12) and son (15).  We have ridden a few tours 
> in SE Asia but nothing this long.  Not remotely.  I'll be on my Bombadil, 
> my wife on her Heron, and my son on a Surly Pack Rat, daughter on an 86' 
> Panasonic Mountain Cat 4500.  We plan on being on the road from the 10th of 
> June till around the middle of July.  We are both school teachers so this 
> is doable as far as work is concerned.  Being teachers, we are on a budget 
> and plan on camping as much as we can.  We have used Warm Showers in the 
> past and are hosts.  That is a great deal, for sure. 
>
> I'm looking for any suggestions from folks that have done this.  Good 
> places to camp, words of advice on road conditions, etc.   
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Kip 
>

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[RBW] Re: Ride recap - country biking on local paths

[Lum Gim Fong]

Pretty ride!!!
Scary climbs!

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[RBW] Re: Dirt Drop Bar alternative to Cowchipper with 26 clam

[Lester Lammers]

Nitto has a couple of dirt drop bars.

On Saturday, October 6, 2018 at 11:16:05 PM UTC-4, Jonathan D. wrote:
>
> Is anyone familiar with a good alternative to the Salsa Cowchipper Bar 
> with a 26 clamp?  I like the cowchipper bars a lot and would like a similar 
> bar to use with my nitto stems. 

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