[RBW] FS: 60cm blue Rambouillet, nearly complete

[Ian A]

pb - I think that's just the settings on the photo program. Viewing the photos 
on my Android, there is an option at the top of the page to "turn motion off". 
After selecting this option, the photos are most pleasant to view.

Ian#
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[RBW] FS: Lots of stuff: wheels, components, accessories

[Doug Bloch]

I forgot I always wanted to snag a Flickstand! Thanks for the reminder and the 
sale.

Doug Bloch
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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone compared Schwable Almotions to Supremes?

[Ed Fausto]

Hi John,

I have the same experience as  dougP using Schwalbe Supreme 26 x 1.6” in my 
Atlantis during my 4 months TransAm tour in 2016.
Only 1 flat each for front and rear tire.
I would use the same tire in my next tour.

Edgar

> On 6 Nov 2018, at 12:34 PM, jack loudon  wrote:
> 
> John, I've never tried the Allmotions but (like others) have had very good 
> luck with Supremes.  First set 700-50's went close to 10,000 mi with no 
> flats; I did nothing but add air occasionally. I finally retired them because 
> of a sidewall slice that didn't go through, but was nonetheless worrying.  
> The current set of 700-40's have fairly low miles but also no flats. Like 
> you, I live in an area with tire wires, glass, and other debris.  Some have 
> said the Supreme is dead-feeling, and that be correct, depending on the tire 
> it's compared to, but I think they feel fine for a substantial belted tire.  
> However, in acknowledging my biases, I seem to be less sensitive than others 
> to (and therefore less smitten by) the supple Cadillac ride of Compass and 
> similar tires.
> 
> Like you, I've also had compass tires (3 sets so far) and the frequency of 
> flats has become unacceptable to me, in spite of their other qualities.  
> Also, the tread lasts about half as long as the Supremes, but Compass is a 
> completely different tire with a different purpose.   I'm not giving up on 
> Compass, but in the future will only get the ones that are tubeless 
> compatible, and set them up tubeless.
> 
> Jack
> Seattle
> 
> 
> 
>> On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 3:20:33 PM UTC-8, John Phillips wrote:
>> Thanks Jon,  I had forgotten about those, I'll add the Soma Shikoros to my 
>> possibles list.
>> 
>> John
>> 
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[RBW] FS: 60cm blue Rambouillet, nearly complete

['pb' via RBW Owners Bunch]

All due respect, I find the odd movement and noise in those photographs to be 
distracting and irritating and detracting from the bicycle, and distracting and 
irritating and detracting do not make me want to buy a bicycle.

No doubt it's just me. I'm used to that.

~pb

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[RBW] Re: Anyone compared Schwable Almotions to Supremes?

[jack loudon]

John, I've never tried the Allmotions but (like others) have had very good 
luck with Supremes.  First set 700-50's went close to 10,000 mi with no 
flats; I did nothing but add air occasionally. I finally retired them 
because of a sidewall slice that didn't go through, but was nonetheless 
worrying.  The current set of 700-40's have fairly low miles but also no 
flats. Like you, I live in an area with tire wires, glass, and other 
debris.  Some have said the Supreme is dead-feeling, and that be correct, 
depending on the tire it's compared to, but I think they feel fine for a 
substantial belted tire.  However, in acknowledging my biases, I seem to be 
less sensitive than others to (and therefore less smitten by) the supple 
Cadillac ride of Compass and similar tires.

Like you, I've also had compass tires (3 sets so far) and the frequency of 
flats has become unacceptable to me, in spite of their other qualities.  
Also, the tread lasts about half as long as the Supremes, but Compass is a 
completely different tire with a different purpose.   I'm not giving up on 
Compass, but in the future will only get the ones that are tubeless 
compatible, and set them up tubeless.

Jack
Seattle



On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 3:20:33 PM UTC-8, John Phillips wrote:
>
> Thanks Jon,  I had forgotten about those, I'll add the Soma Shikoros to my 
> possibles list.
>
> John
>
>

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[RBW] FS/FT: Nitto, Tubus, VO, saddlebag support, Birkenstocks, Portola, Showers pass

[Drw]

Sorry. Final push here
 
Adding

-Nitto dirt drop stem- 8cm, very good condition, minimal use- 50$ Shipped

Marks rack, tubus rack, portolas also remain available. Buy the portolas and 
the stem and I’ll throw in 2 rolls of the fancy riv cotton bar tape. 

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[RBW] Re: Leo Roadini on Brevet--SFR Del Puerto Canyon 200k ride report

[John Hawrylak]

Bill 

Great ride report and sounds like a very fulfilling ride. Your Leo really 
performed 

The 1 lb weight savings (Leo vs Roadeo) translates into a 1/12 mph increase 
or using your measured 125.5M & 7H45M time, the 1/12mph increase is 16.4 
mph avg and a 7H43M time.  A time savings of 2M!! 

John Hawrylak
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[RBW] Re: Anyone compared Schwable Almotions to Supremes?

[John Phillips]

Thanks Jon,  I had forgotten about those, I'll add the Soma Shikoros to my 
possibles list.

John

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[RBW] Re: Anyone compared Schwable Almotions to Supremes?

[Jon BALER]

My wife and I have used Supremes on touring bikes for the last few years, 
and both have good resistance to punctures.  She has 700x35, and I have the 
700x40.

I have had 700x38 Soma Shikoro on my commuting bike, and had good luck with 
them and they roll nice.  They have a 700x50 version too.  For low mileage 
errand running, I think this tire would be good balance of flat resistance 
and rolling resistance.

On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 4:36:28 PM UTC-5, John Phillips wrote:
>
> Hi Garth, I'm running my Antelope Pass 55mm tires about 25 psi in the 
> front and about 35 psi in the back. My Hunqapillar weighs about 32(?) lbs & 
> I weigh about 240 lbs, but usually keep my groceries to 10 lbs or less per 
> run.
>
> John
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[RBW] Re: Leo Roadini on Brevet--SFR Del Puerto Canyon 200k ride report

[Ash]

Thanks for the wonderful ride report Bill! 

I Googled and got the Del Puerto 200k map.   Want to attempt it sometime. 
 Longest I've done is 70 miles (on Appaloosa).  That took 8 hrs!  

This 200k might be a 14-15hrs deal for me.  Probably a good one for the 
summer, so there's enough daylight hours.  Maybe I'll get a Roadini by then.





On Sunday, 4 November 2018 07:32:05 UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Yesterday was the Del Puerto Canyon 200k brevet, hosted by San Francisco 
> Randonneurs. Luckily for me the day remained conflict-free and I was able 
> to do it.  It was the 26th RUSA event of my career of 200k or greater, and 
> I logged my best time ever: 8 hours 18 minutes.  
>
> I woke up a little earlier than I needed to, at 4:45AM.  I was able to 
> pack light because of the amazing weather forecast.  The Del Puerto Canyon 
> 200k starts and finishes in Pleasanton, CA, just south of Mount Diablo.  
> The ride goes out and over the hills that make up the Altamont 
> Pass,meanders through the flat farm roads around Tracy and Wesley, and then 
> returns out and over the same hills via Del Puerto Canyon.  The forecast 
> called for temps in the low 50s to start and venturing into the high 70s in 
> some places.  So I wore bib-shorts, a light base layer, short sleeve 
> jersey, arm warmers and a reflective vest.  The ride started at 8AM, which 
> would be light enough to not require any lighting.  Sunset would come at 
> about 6PM, so I did bring lights just in case I went over 10 hours.  I 
> carried a little Cygolite Dart (from Riv), a battery taillight, and two 
> elastic head lamps that could serve as backup head or tail lights. I also 
> carried a USB battery stick in case I needed to boost my phone, Wahoo, or 
> headlight.  In my Ruthworks rackless Brevet bag went those lighting bits, a 
> few bars, and a travel size sunscreen for when the armwarmers came off and 
> the guns came out.  I made coffee and breakfast, got lubed up and dressed 
> and I was a good 25 minutes ahead of schedule.  I had planned to catch the 
> 6:20AM Bart train, and it's a 5-minute bomb down the hill to get to the 
> Bart station.  I went ahead and decided to grab the 6:00AM train instead 
> and left early, and still had to wait on the platform for several minutes.  
> The Fremont Train takes me down past Oakland to the transfer station at Bay 
> Fair, where I transfer to a Pleasanton train to head over the hills in 
> Castro Valley out to the start. There was a delay due to track repair, and 
> a chilly wait for my Pleasanton train, but I was still at the start with my 
> card in plenty of time.  
>
> The turnout for this event was huge; the biggest ever for this event which 
> was first run in 2011.  ~150 randos had signed up, partially because of the 
> great weather forecast, partially because there is always an uptick in 
> participation the year before a PBP year, and partially because this is 
> SFRs flattest 200k, with "only" 5300 ft of climbing. It was a huge bunch 
> that started off. I didn't want to get sucked up with any of the 'too fast' 
> groups, so I looked for familiar SFR riders who I knew were in my time-zone 
> and hung with them for the first ~15 miles through the urban streets of 
> Pleasanton and Livermore before the first climb began. That first climb was 
> around 1200ft, with a gradually increasing grade all along its length, 
> topping off at around 10% at the peak. This did a good job of stretching 
> out the riders, and there was essentially no traffic so it was a great time 
> to move up. I was feeling good, so I left the familiar group behind and 
> passed a lot of slower riders. I was aiming for a decent time, and one way 
> to make a good time is to not waste a lot of time at controls. The first 
> control threatened to be a time sink if you arrive within a few minutes of 
> a lot of other riders, because there would be only one volunteer to stamp 
> your card, while a second volunteer checks your name on the roster. I was 
> motivated to move up if I could, and I found a great rhythm on Leo. 
> Checking my Strava, the majority of the climb is captured in the "Tesla 
> Topper" segment. That 8.24 mile segment climbs 981ft, and I averaged 
> 13.3mph for that segment. If I could average >20kph on one of the few 
> climbs, a sub-10-hour ride and finishing before dark was looking good. 
>
> I found a partner to paceline with on the fast descent, who noted "we 
> should get the miles in NOW, while we have a tailwind". The descent and the 
> flat farm roads on the valley floor felt like cheating, we were moving 
> really fast. I found another group of strong riders to work with on the 
> farm roads, which were thankfully quite smooth and almost car-free. I 
> noticed another rider up the road a bit, so I pushed harder to bridge up to 
> him, and looked back to find that I'd left that group of ~6 behind.  I 
> stayed with this faster rider until we hit the first control at mile 44 at 
> 

[RBW] Re: Anyone compared Schwable Almotions to Supremes?

[John Phillips]

Hi Garth, I'm running my Antelope Pass 55mm tires about 25 psi in the front 
and about 35 psi in the back. My Hunqapillar weighs about 32(?) lbs & I 
weigh about 240 lbs, but usually keep my groceries to 10 lbs or less per 
run.

John

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[RBW] Re: Anyone compared Schwable Almotions to Supremes?

[Garth]

   John, Flats are @ what PSI ?

You may simply need to lower the pressure. I run 40mm Vittoria Hypers @ 
33-40 psi and they have been flat free over 3 pairs. 



On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 11:30:45 AM UTC-5, John Phillips wrote:
>
> Been getting too many flats lately, perhaps due to all the 
> construction in my neighborhood, so I'm trying to decide which touring tire 
> to try out in the 50-55mm range. Has anyone compared the Schwalbe Marathon 
> Almotion to the Marathon Supreme?
>
> I'm hoping for a tire to get me home from the store with my wife's mochi 
> ice cream intact without having to go as far as Mondials or the Marathon 
> pluses.
>
> Thnx,
> John
>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone compared Schwable Almotions to Supremes?

[John Phillips]

Thanks Doug, The supremes sound really good.

 Checking the Schwalbe site again, I see for 2019, Schwalbe will be 
offering lighter clincher versions of the Marathon Almotion in 50-622 & 
55-622 sizes once again, along with the heavier tubeless versions in the 
same sizes. 

So maybe I should order Supremes for now and wait to see what people say 
about the new non-tubeless Almotions? More to think about...

John

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[RBW] Coffeeneuring Complete!

[Lum Gim Fong]

I can easily tell how cold it is without listening to snow sounds:

Under 50F.”too cold”.  Br

Keep the reports coming!

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[RBW] Re: Anyone compared Schwable Almotions to Supremes?

[dougP]

John:

I've used the Supremes for 10 years now & like them a lot.  Punctures are 
rare in my suburban environment & I've also taken them off road without 
issues.  They will definitely be more flat resistant than the Compass.  No 
experience with the All Motion.  I doubt you need to go full Mondial or 
Tour Plus.  I've also used Mondials and they are heavier than Supremes so 
likely more flat resistant.  I average 1 flat per year with Supremes in 
about 3k of riding.  The high water mark was a 40 mm front Supreme that 
went 11k with zero flats.  It still had some life left but I thought it had 
earned its keep.  

dougP

On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 10:26:40 AM UTC-8, John Phillips wrote:
>
> Patrick, my flats are caused by broken glass, wires and urban construction 
> debris rather than goat heads. 
>
> I've been trying to run my errands on Compass tires, but I really can't 
> afford the time it takes to fix a flat when my wife's ice cream is on 
> board. So I'm trying to find the "most supple," "flat-resistant" touring 
> tire I can find in 50-55mm. Or am I asking for too much from a tire?
>
> John
>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone compared Schwable Almotions to Supremes?

[John Phillips]

Thanks Patrick, the Big Apples certainly sound like another option to 
consider.

John

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[RBW] Coffeeneuring Complete!

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks, Andy and Lum. Andy, one of the ways I estimate temperature is the sound 
of the snow underfoot. I’m not a sound engineer, so I’m unsure of the technical 
way to describe it, but the “sparklier” it is the colder it is. -20˚F sounds 
very different from -10, 0, 10, 20, and 30. When I’m able to confirm with a 
thermometer, I’m accurate to the closest five degrees.

Lum, here we just call it weather, no crisis. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick 

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[RBW] FS: Lots of stuff: wheels, components, accessories

[Kiley Demond]

Here is the list of what I have finally quantified for sale (and chances 
are, I have missed something and will have to add it). Shipping is always a 
pain and the cost usually varies by your location. For reference, I am in 
zip code 86301. I will do my best finding the lowest cost (and managing 
shipping and logistics is on my CV) so let me know what you want and your 
zip code and I will let you know the shipping cost — and I am willing to 
absorb some of the shipping cost at my discretion. Some items have free 
shipping (FS), some ship free if included with other stuff. Buy more and my 
interest in negotiating goes way up. The items that were off my Riv-built 
Cheviot are italicized. Towards the end of the week, I will start listing 
the unsold on eBay.

Private message me for Q

Cheers,

Kiley 

*Velocity Atlas wheels 
 
700C with Schwalbe Big Ben Performance Race Guard 
 tires 50-622 
28 x 2 *with oodles of mile left (maybe 100 miles on them). Willing to sell 
wheels and tires separately. $200 for the wheels, $40 for the tires + 
shipping

 

Schwalbe Tires Big Ben Active Line Kevlar Guards 
 50-622 / 28 x 
2 *GREY* which is a discontinued color. Brand new with tags! $40 for two + 
shipping

 

SKS Fenders Commuter II B65 

 
 New, never installed. Comes with the long stays but they can be cut to any 
size. $30 + shipping

 

SKS Fenders Commuter II B53 
 
Inside lined with reflective tape (looks great!) “Will-workaround” to fit 
2” tires on a Cheviot (means that the front fender is in two pieces due to 
lack of clearance under the R559 brakes. Fenders Only! $15 + shipping

 

Avid Speed Dial SL brake levers 
 $50 FS

 

Silver Shifters 
 no 
holders $40 FS

 

*Shimano Claris 2 x ? front derailleur FD-2400 

 
$10 *+ shipping

 

*Shimano Deore 9-speed rear derailleur RD M591 SGS 

 
$20 *+ shipping

 

Shimano Tiagra 9-speed triple front derailleur FD-R453 

 
$20 + shipping

 

Shimano Sora 9-speed rear derailleur RD-3400 

 
$20 + shipping

 

Shimano 3 x 9-speed Rapidfire shifters SL-R440 

 
$25 = shipping

 

Busch and Mueller Cross Bracket 
 
$5 FS

 

Nite Ize Handlebar Phone Holder 

 
One in Black, one in White available $8 FS

 

Metal Pant Leg Clips 
 $5 FS

 

Rainlegs 

 
“pants” XLong These are actually chaps and cover the tops of your legs for 
riding in rain. The waist is fully adjustable, so the XL is great for those 
with long femurs. $25 FS

 

Abus Amparo Frame Lock 
 $25 + 
shipping

 

Bike Cover aka pyjamas VK International 

 
I bought this from Rolling Orange in Brooklyn before it gave up retail to 
focus on bike tours of NYC for the Dutch (pretty brilliant idea to offer 
bike tours for the people who ride their bikes everywhere). It is in very 
good condition except the black is quite sun faded in some areas after a 
year of Cupertino, CA sun. $25 + shipping

 

Velo Orange Retro Cage, no tab 

 
(great for handlebars) cage $15 Add-on Item or ask about shipping

 

Velo Orange Mojave Cage  
(fits Nalgene bottles) $25 Add-on Item or ask about shipping

 

Velo Orange Handlebar Cage Mount 
 
$5 FS 

 

Soma Stash  bottle, tall 7.5” 
$4 Add-on Item or ask about shipping 

 

Cage Rocket 

Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone compared Schwable Almotions to Supremes?

[Patrick Moore]

Got it. Still, the Apples may be an option; it's just that for flats other
than by goathead, I get perhaps 1 every year (I think Jan has the same
experience in Seattle or wherever he is) so I can't really speak to that
sort of puncture (and I'm glad of that; our goatheads are certainly bad
enough.

I certainly wouldn't use Compass tires where nails and wire and glass were
common. Compass tires and similar thin-skin tires work for me with
goatheads only because of modern sealants, but these are notorious for
being less effective for larger punctures.

On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 11:26 AM John Phillips  wrote:

> Patrick, my flats are caused by broken glass, wires and urban construction
> debris rather than goat heads.
>
> I've been trying to run my errands on Compass tires, but I really can't
> afford the time it takes to fix a flat when my wife's ice cream is on
> board. So I'm trying to find the "most supple," "flat-resistant" touring
> tire I can find in 50-55mm. Or am I asking for too much from a tire?
>
> John
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[RBW] Re: Anyone compared Schwable Almotions to Supremes?

[Ash]

I don't have a comparison between them, but I'm running Almotion 650Bx2.0 
on my Joe A.  I've switched between those and WTB Horizon's.  Cumulative I 
have over 1k miles on Almotions.  No flats so far.  Ride is very smooth and 
supple.I have them mounted on Velocity Atlas rims.  



On Monday, 5 November 2018 08:30:45 UTC-8, John Phillips wrote:
>
> Been getting too many flats lately, perhaps due to all the 
> construction in my neighborhood, so I'm trying to decide which touring tire 
> to try out in the 50-55mm range. Has anyone compared the Schwalbe Marathon 
> Almotion to the Marathon Supreme?
>
> I'm hoping for a tire to get me home from the store with my wife's mochi 
> ice cream intact without having to go as far as Mondials or the Marathon 
> pluses.
>
> Thnx,
> John
>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone compared Schwable Almotions to Supremes?

[John Phillips]

Patrick, my flats are caused by broken glass, wires and urban construction 
debris rather than goat heads. 

I've been trying to run my errands on Compass tires, but I really can't 
afford the time it takes to fix a flat when my wife's ice cream is on 
board. So I'm trying to find the "most supple," "flat-resistant" touring 
tire I can find in 50-55mm. Or am I asking for too much from a tire?

John

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Re: [RBW] Anyone compared Schwable Almotions to Supremes?

[Patrick Moore]

If the culprits are goatheads, I have to recommend the Big Apple.
Relatively cheap, heavy as lead (*), but roll surprisingly well (at least
until you hit a rise), and man, shrug off 99 out of every 100 goatheads;
the only tire I've used besides horrible, horrible, horrible armored ones
that I can ride around here on both pavement and bosque dirt and not worry
about more than a few goathead flats -- I'd come out of the bush with
scores of goatheads stuck in tread, and just brush them off before
pavement, and not lose any air over the following week.

Someone I know recently installed a pair (1.98 lb each! -- 700C X 60) after
having used some cheapos filled with a liter of Slime each; and he was
amazed and exclaimed exuberanly about how much better they ride. These come
in 60 and 50 mm widths, I think.

(*) I myself rode the "Liteskin" version, a svelte 800 grams.

On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 9:30 AM John Phillips  wrote:

> Been getting too many flats lately, perhaps due to all the
> construction in my neighborhood, so I'm trying to decide which touring tire
> to try out in the 50-55mm range. Has anyone compared the Schwalbe Marathon
> Almotion to the Marathon Supreme?
>
> I'm hoping for a tire to get me home from the store with my wife's mochi
> ice cream intact without having to go as far as Mondials or the Marathon
> pluses.
>
> Thnx,
> John
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Re: [RBW] Leo Roadini on Brevet--SFR Del Puerto Canyon 200k ride report

[jack loudon]

Bill: "Thanks for that, Jock. Like you, I have no idea what 'planing' is."
Thanks to both Jock and Bill for validating that I'm not totally deficient 
(or at least not alone) because I also don't understand planing, after well 
over 100,000 miles of riding. 

Bill, thanks for the great ride report.  You are an inspiration to many of 
us.

Jock, I used to own a beautiful orange Ebusu All-Purpose but I impulsively 
gave it to my then-son-in-law as a wedding present.  The marriage lasted 
about a year and I haven't seen the bike since.  I hope he or somebody is 
enjoying it.  Ebisu's have an understated elegance I haven't seen in many 
bikes.

Jack
Seattle



On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 6:38:26 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Thanks for that, Jock. Like you, I have no idea what 'planing' is. I've 
> admired your orange Ebisu several times. What color is your new one?
>
> Bill
>
> On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 6:14:30 AM UTC-8, Jock Dewey wrote:
>>
>> Hey, Bill, et. al.:
>>
>> Quoting BL: "I get it that ML (LGF) for years dwelled on flexy tubing 
>> bikes, presumably from reading Jan Heine stuff.  Jan Heine knows that the 
>> weight of the bike doesn't matter.  Jan Heine prefers the feel of a flexier 
>> bike, but acknowledges that is an extremely nuanced, very subtle feeling. "
>>
>> We all love BQ for those tires and so many other things, too. But Mr. BQ 
>> once wrote a couple years ago when someone asked why his Mafac levers were 
>> missing the tiny thin rubber strips on top. The reply was 'to save weight.'
>>
>> That one had me questioning the whole endeavor honestly. 
>>
>> I just had Hiroshi built me another EBISU frame. A 'Road' this time. In 
>> our quite extensive communications he asked about tubing. I told him I 
>> weigh 135 wringing wet and that I could probably get by with really light. 
>> Frame is 58 cm (c-to-c). He asked about OS as opposed to 28.6 throughout. I 
>> told him he's the expert, you decide.
>>
>> He said OK, 'I use 8-5-8 downtube then'. I said fine, my EBISU All 
>> Purpose is 8-5-8 and it's light, fast, smooth as can be. I'm not privy to 
>> his reasoning for that. I tend to keep my bicycles for the duration, but 
>> maybe has to do with what happens passing it along to someone big and 
>> beefy, I dunno.
>>
>> I do know this, however. My lastest EBISU replaces the bike attached. I 
>> called it my MYSTERY bike, just to fool myself mostly. It was a SOMA 
>> Stanyan, a good looking bike with SS lugs, fork crown, Taiwan Tange 
>> Prestige but rather heavy I suppose. The very best bits, however. Wheels, 
>> bars & stem, crankset, seatpost, etc. And whaddya know, turned out to be 
>> maybe my favorite rider. Even though heavier and with much less provenance 
>> than my other bikes, it always felt fast fast fast to me and always made me 
>> want to push hard, the good kind of push. It just felt like it wanted to 
>> go. I admit, after spending 50 years on the bike, and most of them on 
>> really nice machines, I still don't really know what 'planing' is. And for 
>> sure don't really care either. At my age, I can't see those angels dancing 
>> on the pinhead anymore, and I've concluded that it doesn't matter anyway. 
>>
>> Of course, to each his own. There is no single solution to any of these 
>> positions.
>>
>> So I look forward to building the new one and will post some pix when I 
>> complete it. Must be EBISU Time on the good ol' BOBList!
>>
>> BEST / Jock Dewey / Athens, GA
>>
>> On Sunday, November 4, 2018 at 11:48:23 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> The poster previously known as Michael Levan, now known as Lum Gim Fong 
>>> asked "Why not?" swap out my Leo Roadini for a different bike made of 6/4/6 
>>> tubing.  He said I can have the fit and handling of a Leo Roadini, so I 
>>> assume he means that he is recommending that I order a Custom Rivendell 
>>> made with Leo Roadini geometry but with lighter, flexier tubing.  Assuming 
>>> that is what he is recommending, then the list of Why Nots would include:
>>>
>>> 1. The Leo Roadini was $900, and a Rivendell Custom is $3500
>>> 2. A frame that weighs one pound less would make me plus my bike weigh 
>>> 0.5% less.  I would be 0.5% faster on climbs, exactly the same speed on 
>>> flats, and very slightly slower on descents.. In order to measure these 
>>> things, I would have to do a detailed statistical analysis of Strava data.  
>>> In other words, I would not look for it ,and not looking for it would mean 
>>> I would not find it.  
>>>
>>> Alternatively, Michael Levan (Lum Gim Fong) might have meant "why not 
>>> buy a Roadeo instead?".  The list of "why nots" for a Roadeo would include:
>>>
>>> 1. The Leo Roadini was $900, and a Roadeo is $2600.
>>> 2. A Roadeo is a road race bike.  I'm not a road racer, and I don't use 
>>> my Leo Roadini on road racing type rides.  I don't do 'club races'.  I 
>>> don't do local crits.  The extra stability and comfort of a Leo Roadini are 
>>> not detriments (for me). 
>>> 

[RBW] Re: Anyone compared Schwable Almotions to Supremes?

[Irving]

I'm curious to hear any real world experiences as well. Found some sciency 
data here 

 
and my interpretation is that the Almotion's are a little more puncture 
resistant than the Supreme's.

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[RBW] Anyone compared Schwable Almotions to Supremes?

[John Phillips]

Been getting too many flats lately, perhaps due to all the construction 
in my neighborhood, so I'm trying to decide which touring tire to try out 
in the 50-55mm range. Has anyone compared the Schwalbe Marathon Almotion to 
the Marathon Supreme?

I'm hoping for a tire to get me home from the store with my wife's mochi 
ice cream intact without having to go as far as Mondials or the Marathon 
pluses.

Thnx,
John

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Re: [RBW] Is this PV-8 hub noise normal?

[Lum Gim Fong]

All this is with no wheel installed just looking at  DO looks bent or twisted a 
touch. 

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Re: [RBW] Is this PV-8 hub noise normal?

[Lum Gim Fong]

Ok I will check.
For now, on both my Raleigh and Rambouillet bikes it just looks like the drive 
side DO end is twisted a smidge. Maybe optical illusion. But because I thought 
I might have been overtightening over the years I didnt snug as much this time.

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Re: [RBW] Is this PV-8 hub noise normal?

[Peter White]

If the dropouts are moving while you tighten the skewer, the dropouts are
out of alignment. Take the bike to a competent mechanic to have the
dropouts aligned.

Peter White

On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 8:04 AM Lum Gim Fong  wrote:

> Interesting, because on the recent wheel installation I gave the pitlock
> skewer 1/4 turn less than normal since I noticed my front DO getting bent
> looking a little. Thought I must be overdoing the skewer tightness. I will
> re-snug and see if that quiets it down. Thanks!
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Re: [RBW] Leo Roadini on Brevet--SFR Del Puerto Canyon 200k ride report

[Bill Lindsay]

Thanks for that, Jock. Like you, I have no idea what 'planing' is. I've 
admired your orange Ebisu several times. What color is your new one?

Bill

On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 6:14:30 AM UTC-8, Jock Dewey wrote:
>
> Hey, Bill, et. al.:
>
> Quoting BL: "I get it that ML (LGF) for years dwelled on flexy tubing 
> bikes, presumably from reading Jan Heine stuff.  Jan Heine knows that the 
> weight of the bike doesn't matter.  Jan Heine prefers the feel of a flexier 
> bike, but acknowledges that is an extremely nuanced, very subtle feeling. "
>
> We all love BQ for those tires and so many other things, too. But Mr. BQ 
> once wrote a couple years ago when someone asked why his Mafac levers were 
> missing the tiny thin rubber strips on top. The reply was 'to save weight.'
>
> That one had me questioning the whole endeavor honestly. 
>
> I just had Hiroshi built me another EBISU frame. A 'Road' this time. In 
> our quite extensive communications he asked about tubing. I told him I 
> weigh 135 wringing wet and that I could probably get by with really light. 
> Frame is 58 cm (c-to-c). He asked about OS as opposed to 28.6 throughout. I 
> told him he's the expert, you decide.
>
> He said OK, 'I use 8-5-8 downtube then'. I said fine, my EBISU All Purpose 
> is 8-5-8 and it's light, fast, smooth as can be. I'm not privy to his 
> reasoning for that. I tend to keep my bicycles for the duration, but maybe 
> has to do with what happens passing it along to someone big and beefy, I 
> dunno.
>
> I do know this, however. My lastest EBISU replaces the bike attached. I 
> called it my MYSTERY bike, just to fool myself mostly. It was a SOMA 
> Stanyan, a good looking bike with SS lugs, fork crown, Taiwan Tange 
> Prestige but rather heavy I suppose. The very best bits, however. Wheels, 
> bars & stem, crankset, seatpost, etc. And whaddya know, turned out to be 
> maybe my favorite rider. Even though heavier and with much less provenance 
> than my other bikes, it always felt fast fast fast to me and always made me 
> want to push hard, the good kind of push. It just felt like it wanted to 
> go. I admit, after spending 50 years on the bike, and most of them on 
> really nice machines, I still don't really know what 'planing' is. And for 
> sure don't really care either. At my age, I can't see those angels dancing 
> on the pinhead anymore, and I've concluded that it doesn't matter anyway. 
>
> Of course, to each his own. There is no single solution to any of these 
> positions.
>
> So I look forward to building the new one and will post some pix when I 
> complete it. Must be EBISU Time on the good ol' BOBList!
>
> BEST / Jock Dewey / Athens, GA
>
> On Sunday, November 4, 2018 at 11:48:23 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> The poster previously known as Michael Levan, now known as Lum Gim Fong 
>> asked "Why not?" swap out my Leo Roadini for a different bike made of 6/4/6 
>> tubing.  He said I can have the fit and handling of a Leo Roadini, so I 
>> assume he means that he is recommending that I order a Custom Rivendell 
>> made with Leo Roadini geometry but with lighter, flexier tubing.  Assuming 
>> that is what he is recommending, then the list of Why Nots would include:
>>
>> 1. The Leo Roadini was $900, and a Rivendell Custom is $3500
>> 2. A frame that weighs one pound less would make me plus my bike weigh 
>> 0.5% less.  I would be 0.5% faster on climbs, exactly the same speed on 
>> flats, and very slightly slower on descents.. In order to measure these 
>> things, I would have to do a detailed statistical analysis of Strava data.  
>> In other words, I would not look for it ,and not looking for it would mean 
>> I would not find it.  
>>
>> Alternatively, Michael Levan (Lum Gim Fong) might have meant "why not buy 
>> a Roadeo instead?".  The list of "why nots" for a Roadeo would include:
>>
>> 1. The Leo Roadini was $900, and a Roadeo is $2600.
>> 2. A Roadeo is a road race bike.  I'm not a road racer, and I don't use 
>> my Leo Roadini on road racing type rides.  I don't do 'club races'.  I 
>> don't do local crits.  The extra stability and comfort of a Leo Roadini are 
>> not detriments (for me). 
>> 3.  A frame that weighs one pound less would make me plus my bike weigh 
>> 0.5% less.  I would be 0.5% faster on climbs, exactly the same speed on 
>> flats, and very slightly slower on descents.. In order to measure these 
>> things, I'd have to do a detailed statistical analysis of Strava data.  In 
>> other words, I would not look for it ,and not looking for it would mean I 
>> would not find it.  
>>
>> I get it that ML(LGF) for years dwelled on flexy tubing bikes, presumably 
>> from reading Jan Heine stuff.  Jan Heine knows that the weight of the bike 
>> doesn't matter.  Jan Heine prefers the feel of a flexier bike, but 
>> acknowledges that is an extremely nuanced, very subtle feeling.  The fact 
>> that ML(LGF) claims dramatic differences in 'feel' and large (~10%) 
>> differences in speed tells me 

Re: [RBW] Is this PV-8 hub noise normal?

[Lum Gim Fong]

Interesting, because on the recent wheel installation I gave the pitlock skewer 
1/4 turn less than normal since I noticed my front DO getting bent looking a 
little. Thought I must be overdoing the skewer tightness. I will re-snug and 
see if that quiets it down. Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Is this PV-8 hub noise normal?

[Peter White]

Typical sound you get when the skewer isn't tight enough.

Peter White

On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 11:35 AM Lum Gim Fong  wrote:

> New hub.
> Cannot hear while riding (a little when stopping).
> Only when spinning by hand.
> Not as loud as video makes it sound.
> Normal?
>
> Video here:  https://flic.kr/p/2cALVap
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Re: [RBW] FS: Orange Roadini frame 54cm

[Joe Bernard]

Light-feeling, quick-handling but not squirrelly (I presume that's geometry, 
not ti related), with a bizarre sense of picking up road irregularities that 
disappear into the bike before reaching the bars and saddle. Which I realize 
doesn't make sense as words on a screen, but it sure is fun in practice. 

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