Re: [RBW] No love for the Albastache?

['clayton bailey' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks J, but I have had three back surgeries too, and their stem isn’t tall 
enough, due to the fact I bought a smaller frame than Grant would recommend, so 
I can run a suspension seat post. I have a 100 mm Nitto dirt drop, all the way 
up, to get the right fit. Rather funny looking but it works. I am stiff and 
can’t get low. If I have a custom frame made, which I probably should, it will 
have a sloping top tube and a tall head tube, so I can run a normal stem 
without six inches of spacers...and a suspension seat post (which I swear by, 
everyone should have one, they save energy as well as the back) and be able to 
use a short travel Hite Rite at the same time, for when I go bikepacking. 
Moving my saddle height around really helps with the back pain and stability in 
rough terrain. 
Dream bike would be a lugged Riv Gus Boots, with light steel, and a straight, 
but highly sloped top tube, with fancy paint and lugs, and geometry that works 
with drops, wide tires and moderate front load.  Roadish, with a burly seat 
cluster optimized for the hite rite, with a grease pin hole. It should come 
with a woman I can date for free. And coffee. It should come with coffee too.
ClaytonDDD

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On Thursday, November 15, 2018, 8:54 PM, Justin, Oakland 
 wrote:

You can use carbon 31.8 bars on your Atlantis with one of the VO 31.8 quill 
stems. 

-J

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[RBW] Re: FS: 54cm Rambouillet - $1,300

[Mike K.]

Bumping the Ram. And dropping the price to $1,200 plus shipping. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Deerhead, WTB, bullmoose, rando bag

[Mike K.]

Also! Riv bullmoose bars. $125 shipped

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[RBW] FS: Deerhead, WTB, bullmoose, rando bag

[Mike K.]

Evening all,
Have a few goodies lying around, prices including shipping CONUS

M700 front and rear derailleurs (Deerhead group): $70
Vintage bullmoose bars with built in routing for canti brakes: $90
Single WTB Horizon tire, 650bx47: $50
Red canvas rando bag: $40
Shimano 600 tricolor rear derailleur: just pay shipping

Feel free to make an offer. 

Pics: https://photos.app.goo.gl/apvsRG9Q9fYBdUhu6

- Mike in ATX

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Re: [RBW] No love for the Albastache?

[Justin, Oakland]

You can use carbon 31.8 bars on your Atlantis with one of the VO 31.8 quill 
stems. 

-J

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[RBW] Alternative flat bars odd feel?

[Joe Bernard]

That's what the recumbent folks call tiller effect, the light-steering feel you 
get by sitting up and back away from the front wheel. Yes the sensation will 
fade shortly, you're just used to bars that have all positions ahead of the 
stem. 

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Re: [RBW] No love for the Albastache?

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

  Vibration is now my enemy. I have two carbon bikes, both with carbon 
handlebars which are very absorbent but air pressure is the thing that affects 
my hands the most. 
  The higher the air pressure in my tires, the quicker my hand(s) go. I was 
kinda amazed at the difference in speed that my hands went numb at different 
pressures. Riding around with fifteen lbs. pressure is the sweet spot. 
 I have to run drops so I can move my hands around, or they go numb. Flat bars 
don’t work for me either, as my weight goes on the outside edge of my palm. A 
wide, extremely flared drop bar lets me put my weight on the thumb web, or 
muscle area rather than the no-no spot. 
Carbon bars help me the most, but I can’t find a 26.0 dia. in an extremely 
flared drop carbon bar. Anyone know of one? 
  One of the reasons I’m excited over the Boots is all the carbon bars I can 
chose from (the new Thompson gravel bar looks sweet). I firmly believe that the 
long one inch steerers and quill stems is one of the secret to the comfort of 
my Atlantis, so I think it would be a tie (with a stiff clamp on stem and 
larger diameter carbon bars on the Boots), if they were to get in a fight. 
  The Boots fork looks comfy and not overbuilt, and with the bigger tires I’m 
making a guess that it would be as comfortable as my Atlantis, just slower 
around town, with 2.8s at fifteen psi to prevent vibration.

 Crap. Did I just talk myself out of a Boots?  Sorry for the topic wander...

Clayton DDD

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[RBW] Alternative flat bars odd feel?

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I suspect your steering with your hands, not your body. Initial all motion from 
your core, and they will flow stunningly well.

With abandon,
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[RBW] Alternative flat bars odd feel?

[Daniel D.]

I went from mtb's with flat bars and bar ends to drop bars. Loved the multiple 
hand positions and they became my bar of choice.  But I've been curious about 
mustache bars since discovering riv.  Can never pull the trigger on cost of 
replacing what works just to try something different.

Staying at a fancy hotel thanks to my gfs work.  They had Linus bikes with 
moustachey bars.  Took one out.  Realized something about this style of bar.  I 
also felt it when I test rode a Sam.  

It's as if my left and right sides are fighting each other, seesawing back and 
forth.  Doesn't happen with a flat bar.  Feels odd, more unbalanced.  Do you 
guys know what I'm talking about?  With more miles I'd get used to it...

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Re: [RBW] Not MUSA but Very Riv

[Patrick Moore]

Aha; that may well be the answer.

I read this:

Previously, Europeans and Asians wore gowns, robes, tunics, togas or — as
observed on the 5,300-year-old body of Ötzi the Iceman — a three-piece
combination of loincloth and individual leggings.

... and immediately thought of the Eastern US woodland Indians (and the
Scots Irish who copied them) who (so I read) wore something very similar: 2
individual, separate leg coverings and a loincloth. So 1 pantalon + 1
pantalon = 1 pr pants. Makes sense.

On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 4:10 AM WETH  wrote:

> Patrick,
> I think they started as singular leg coverings tied together at the waist,
> similar to chaps.  I found this article fascinating and connects, though
> loosely, to riding (steel) horses and Grants Blahg post.
> https://www.sciencenews.org/article/first-pants-worn-horse-riders-3000-years-ago
> .
> Erl
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Winter cycling cap, wool + fleece lining; earflaps

[Patrick Moore]

Howard: It is yours, and I'm glad it will go to a good home.

Please paypal $21 to me at:

patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com

And please send me your mailing address. I'll ship First Class.

Thanks, Patrick

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> Patrick, I could really use that cap. Thank you for offering it!  How may
> I complete the transaction, please?
>
> On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 4:15:24 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> A nice wool + fleece cycling cap with short brim and earflaps that is too
>> small for me. Worn a few times, but otherwise as new.
>>
>> Since I wear a L or XL. I'd guess this is more like a Medium.
>>
>> $21 shipped CONUS.
>>
>> OR, buy that box of stuff I posted last week, either with or without #3
>> HpX, and I'll throw this in at no additional charge. See:
>>
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en_US#!searchin/internet-bob/bargain$20in%7Csort:date/internet-bob/x6-SqYkd_KQ/H_hpw4Z1AgAJ
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Re: [RBW] Re: Things I wish Rivendell still sold..

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks. They look like nice frames, and again, I'd like to build one for my
daughter, but I wondered about those curved rear stays.

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bruce.herbit...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't think New Albion is ripping anyone off design wise. The frames are
> not Rivendells and don't quite ride like them, but they are nice. Ours came
> to $1,100 fully built, which is less than many frame sets only at RBW.
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 11:51:25 PM CST, Patrick Moore <
> bertin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> OTOH: is this an illegitimate Riv design rip-off?
>
> On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 8:04 PM Fullylugged 
> wrote:
>
> re: The Betty Foy. The New Albion Starling is close in design and
> affordable. I built one up for a family member and she really likes it. the
> blue is close to Ram blue too.
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[RBW] Re: Disc brakes

[Hoffsta]

Try V-brakes. Much better power than Cantis and you don't have to spend 
many hundred$/thousands$ to modify the frame!
>
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[RBW] Disc brakes

[Ryan M.]

Theoretically, with enough money you could do it but the bike is not designed 
for them.  If you really want a disc bike there are a bunch of them that will 
ride great. 

I’m of the opinion that disc brakes are superior in every way, and I freakin 
hate screwing around with cantis but I will do it if I have toI would never 
modify a current canti bike to take discs though.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto stuff

[Joe Bernard]

All Nitto sold!

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto stuff

[Joe Bernard]

Updated album:


https://photos.app.goo.gl/SeexT95LFcQSs6FW7

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Re: [RBW] Re: Work Stand Suggestions

[Brett Callahan]

Picked it up last night without incident. It appears to be in great shape 
for a used stand, and it fit, barely, in the back of a Ford Focus hatchback 
with the seats down. Fortunately there were no hard stops on the way home, 
because that thing has enough mass to punch right through a seat or window!

On Thursday, November 15, 2018 at 10:36:00 AM UTC-8, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> That pro stand is worth its price.  Lots of pounds for the buck!  Congrats 
> on the purchase; I hope the pickup wasn't too painful.
>
> But those pounds are what makes Pro stands (like a Park PRS) so good; 
> they're sturdy and stable.  The folding-leg PCS designs work fine if you 
> prioritize that the stand be moveable.  But they aren't that stable once 
> they're loaded with a bike.
>
> But, if you can afford a permanent bike work station, the stability of  
> Pro stand is nice to have.  
> I believe a bench-mounted stand (like the Park PCS-12) are a better budget 
> choice than the PCS-10 (due to much better stability) -- but only if you 
> have a suitable mounting spot.  
>
> On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 2:39 PM Brett Callahan  > wrote:
>
>> Just called. It is still available and I'm going to pick it up tonight. 
>> Thanks for the tip, I really appreciate it!
>> Brett
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 11:18:21 AM UTC-8, Hoffsta wrote:
>>>
>>> I just saw this posed in another group:
>>>
>>> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bop/d/park-prs-4-proffesional/6744311771.html
>>>
>>> If I was in Portland I'd buy it today.
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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto stuff

[Joe Bernard]

32f rack sold. 

This transaction went swiftly via email, but I get a whole lotta buyer/seller 
convos through the Reply To Author feature that seem to operate with day-long 
pauses and it drives me crazy! So here's my number for text: 
Joe 415-786-4623

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Re: [RBW] No love for the Albastache?

[Steve Palincsar]

It's happened to me with every flat-style (i.e., non-drop) bar I've ever 
used.


On 11/15/18 2:41 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:
It's interesting.  The only two bikes in my fleet that give me 
occasional numbness both have flat bars.  On my mountain bike I'll get 
numbness on my two smallest fingertips (pinky and ring finger) on both 
hands if I'm mountain biking for more than ~2 hours.  On my Rosco Road 
I'm running Jitensha bars and I get similar numbness at the tips of my 
pinky and ring finger on my left hand, doing my typical 18 mile (each 
way) commute several days in a row.  I'm experimenting with a 
different model of grips this season on my mountain bike.  I'm 
considering switching the Rosco Road back to drop bars


Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA



On Thursday, November 15, 2018 at 11:15:02 AM UTC-8, Clayton wrote:

The nerve location is the same on most everyone. There are
variations, but the general location is the same. The neurologist
said to not put pressure there to avoid nerve damage, so I assume
it would be the same for all cyclists or anyone who might suffer
from repetitive impacts in that area.

I just posted the photo, first up on #Dirtdancedesigns on
instagram, showing where she drew the “X’s”, so people don’t have
to dig. I can’t post photos here on my IPad yet. Haven’t figured
it out.

I love the looks of the Albastache, but the brake lever rotation
problem (quick brake lever access is a big safety issue) and the
nerve impingement issue killed it for me.

Clayton
#DirtDanceDesigns (I sell nothing, so it’s not a sales push )...

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Re: [RBW] No love for the Albastache?

[Bill Lindsay]

It's interesting.  The only two bikes in my fleet that give me occasional 
numbness both have flat bars.  On my mountain bike I'll get numbness on my 
two smallest fingertips (pinky and ring finger) on both hands if I'm 
mountain biking for more than ~2 hours.  On my Rosco Road I'm running 
Jitensha bars and I get similar numbness at the tips of my pinky and ring 
finger on my left hand, doing my typical 18 mile (each way) commute several 
days in a row.  I'm experimenting with a different model of grips this 
season on my mountain bike.  I'm considering switching the Rosco Road back 
to drop bars

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA



On Thursday, November 15, 2018 at 11:15:02 AM UTC-8, Clayton wrote:
>
> The nerve location is the same on most everyone. There are variations, but 
> the general location is the same. The neurologist said to not put pressure 
> there to avoid nerve damage, so I assume it would be the same for all 
> cyclists or anyone who might suffer from repetitive impacts in that area. 
>
> I just posted the photo, first up on #Dirtdancedesigns on instagram, 
> showing where she drew the “X’s”, so people don’t have to dig. I can’t post 
> photos here on my IPad yet. Haven’t figured it out. 
>
> I love the looks of the Albastache, but the brake lever rotation problem 
> (quick brake lever access is a big safety issue) and the nerve impingement 
> issue killed it for me. 
>
> Clayton 
> #DirtDanceDesigns (I sell nothing, so it’s not a sales push )...

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa vs road bike - (pointless) 19 mile commute time comparison

[Drw]

I didn't think the bay area had 19 miles of flatness. This is interesting 
info. 

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Re: [RBW] No love for the Albastache?

['clayton bailey' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Ok, thanks Patrick!\Clay


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Clayton,

To post photos, switch to Desktop (bottom of the page), attache file.

With abandon,
Patrick, who has never experienced numbness with Albastache bars except when he 
should have worn mittens.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Work Stand Suggestions

[Ginz]

I’m debating a bench mounted clamp and putting my PCS in the closet as backup. 
But it seems like getting to the far side of the bike against a work bench, 
even a narrow bench, would be a pain. Fine for a quick chain lube or der 
adjustment. But installing a BB, pedals, adjusting brake pads I’m not sure. 

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Re: [RBW] No love for the Albastache?

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Clayton,

To post photos, switch to Desktop (bottom of the page), attache file.

With abandon,
Patrick, who has never experienced numbness with Albastache bars except when he 
should have worn mittens.

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Re: [RBW] No love for the Albastache?

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The nerve location is the same on most everyone. There are variations, but the 
general location is the same. The neurologist said to not put pressure there to 
avoid nerve damage, so I assume it would be the same for all cyclists or anyone 
who might suffer from repetitive impacts in that area. 

I just posted the photo, first up on #Dirtdancedesigns on instagram, showing 
where she drew the “X’s”, so people don’t have to dig. I can’t post photos here 
on my IPad yet. Haven’t figured it out. 

I love the looks of the Albastache, but the brake lever rotation problem (quick 
brake lever access is a big safety issue) and the nerve impingement issue 
killed it for me. 

Clayton
#DirtDanceDesigns (I sell nothing, so it’s not a sales push )...

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Re: [RBW] Re: Work Stand Suggestions

[Tim Gavin]

That pro stand is worth its price.  Lots of pounds for the buck!  Congrats
on the purchase; I hope the pickup wasn't too painful.

But those pounds are what makes Pro stands (like a Park PRS) so good;
they're sturdy and stable.  The folding-leg PCS designs work fine if you
prioritize that the stand be moveable.  But they aren't that stable once
they're loaded with a bike.

But, if you can afford a permanent bike work station, the stability of  Pro
stand is nice to have.
I believe a bench-mounted stand (like the Park PCS-12) are a better budget
choice than the PCS-10 (due to much better stability) -- but only if you
have a suitable mounting spot.

On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 2:39 PM Brett Callahan 
wrote:

> Just called. It is still available and I'm going to pick it up tonight.
> Thanks for the tip, I really appreciate it!
> Brett
>
> On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 11:18:21 AM UTC-8, Hoffsta wrote:
>>
>> I just saw this posed in another group:
>>
>> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bop/d/park-prs-4-proffesional/6744311771.html
>>
>> If I was in Portland I'd buy it today.
>>
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Re: [RBW] No love for the Albastache?

[Bill Lindsay]

Thanks Clayton.  That context makes sense. In your 'armchair expert' 
opinion, is the Albastache a fundamentally bad handlebar for everyone, 
given that everyone has roughly the same hand anatomy? Or is it mainly bad 
for those people whose hands are already wrecked from the sum of their 
previous hand-activities?  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, November 15, 2018 at 8:35:08 AM UTC-8, Clayton wrote:
>
> E. I chose “E”. 
>
> The surgeon drew little “x’s“ on my hand and the surgeon said ‘No pressure 
> here.’  I came home and went to work on a bar swap project and tried: 
>  Nitto 13’s off road drop, Salsa woodchipper, Albastache, Ahearn, Sycip 
> singles bar, Carver Ti bar and original WTB drops from the eighties. The 
> flat bars were the best for not hitting the ‘x’. Out of the rest, I chose 
> the original WTBs with tons of padding to put the pressure on the fat thumb 
> muscle, rather than the heal of my hand. The Albastache was the worst. 
>
> I’m an ex firefighter paramedic with knowledge of anatomy and 
> physiology  I’ve had three carpal tunnel surgeries and have received 
> lots of advice from MD’s on this... “I’m an armchair expert”.  
>
> Most everyone’s nerve is in the same area. At the base of your palm, on 
> the pinkie side, there is a bony lump. Just in front of it is where the 
> ulnar nerve is, and is exactly where the Albastache’s outer curve hits, no 
> matter where I put my hand. When evaluating bars, the first thing I check 
> is nerve ‘clearance ‘.   Buried somewhere in my Instagram feed is a picture 
> of the ‘x’s’ she drew. #dirtdancedesigns .I can’t post photos or I 
> would. 
>
> Hand numbness sucks. Protect your nerves. 
>
> Clayton DDD

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[RBW] Re: Fishnet longjohn/ boiled wool/ ventile system details

[Mat Grewe]

Oh, and another benefit (not to everyone I know, but this is the Riv forum) 
to Patrick's clothing is being able to walk into a store and look 
relatively normal, albeit with a frosty beard if one is lucky enough to 
grow one...

Another piece often overlooked is acclimating to the cold.  It is not 
dissimilar to building muscles, it takes time, and safe exposure to the 
extremes.  Last year I started taking partially cold showers (start hot, 
soap up, and rinse off in as cold of water as the shower gets; rather 
delightful if you ask me) and I found that I acclimated to the cold quicker 
this year!

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[RBW] Re: No love for the Albastache?

[Ron Mc]

about 2" (40-50mm) shorter reach than what you normally ride with drop 
bars.  

On Thursday, November 15, 2018 at 1:59:49 AM UTC-6, Joey Robinson wrote:
>
> Is there a good rule of thumb for how to change your stem when switching 
> to Albastache handlebars?
>
> Right now I run a 100 mm stem with 44 cm Nitto Noodles. Any suggestions 
> for which length would be the best based off this info?
>
> On Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 12:24:49 PM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> I put Long distance on my moustache bars and love them - 
>>
>> 
>> - I think most people use too great reach on their stem, don't angle 
>> their break levers downward correctly, and try to grab the bend of the bars 
>> rather than resting their palms on the straight sweep and only hooking 
>> their thumbs in the bend.  
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 6, 2018 at 2:46:06 PM UTC-6, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>>>
>>> I agree. I tried the original Moustache and hand pain would start in 
>>> first 1/2 mile of rides. Pain pain pain. No matter where on the bar I'd 
>>> grip, pressure point on the exact same spot, no variation, at least for me. 
>>> Gave it a month. Never tried any 'stache iteration since. But for some 
>>> people they are fantastic I hear. So I guess it is like saddles, very 
>>> personal. They look very cool though and I had the best braking finger 
>>> reach with road levers on them. So there are pluses.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 6, 2018 at 12:22:46 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:

 The Moustache Handlebar - Grant told me he says the whole name 'cause 
 it's a riff on handlebar moustache - on the Bstone XO-1 is what drew me 
 into bikes around 1992, I thought it was the coolest thing! But alas I've 
 tried every variation of them since and my hands/wrists just can't do it. 
 Oh well!
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Disc brakes

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Sorry, Mat, but I don’t track miles so I’ve not idea. I only have one canti 
(Paul Comp) brake per bike, on the front now, so the rear rim wears really 
well! Grin. I got 3-4 years out of my front rim on the Hunqapillar, and that 
includes a fair bit of bikepacking with loaded steep single track descents. I 
still have it and it may be fine, but it is a bit concave now. It’s Atlas. 
Mostly the wheels I’ve needed to replace are due to buying manufactured rather 
than hand-build wheels, and spokes popped on rocks or roots and I bent the rim 
beyond saving. Since then, I shifted to Rich wheels and no more such issues, 
despite my riding increasing since shifting to fixed gear.

With abandon,
Patrick  

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Re: [RBW] No love for the Albastache?

[Ron Mc]

you're funny, Joe

On Thursday, November 15, 2018 at 12:47:19 AM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I suspect it was a variation on the old doctor joke.
>  
> "Doctor, it hurts when I ride like this."
>
> 'Don't ride like that!'
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[RBW] Re: Disc brakes

[Mat Grewe]

Patrick, how many miles do rims last you in those conditions (and what 
model of rims)?

On Thursday, November 15, 2018 at 11:02:29 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> You’d need mounts and a beefier fork. Why do you ask? Unless you ride in 
> insanely stupid conditions (below freezing but the roads are wet because 
> the sun shines in places so everything freezed when it gets on your bike, 
> including rim brakes, or in deep snow so the snow clogs up the rims), 
> cantilevers are brilliant. Ask me how I know. Grin. And in those 
> conditions, disk brakes have been known to freeze up too, and are harder to 
> clear. Only reliable solutions I found were drum brakes (which have other 
> problems) or fixed gear back pedal braking, which I’ve switched to and 
> absolutely love for my insanely stupid conditions. Grin. 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 

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[RBW] Disc brakes

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

You’d need mounts and a beefier fork. Why do you ask? Unless you ride in 
insanely stupid conditions (below freezing but the roads are wet because the 
sun shines in places so everything freezed when it gets on your bike, including 
rim brakes, or in deep snow so the snow clogs up the rims), cantilevers are 
brilliant. Ask me how I know. Grin. And in those conditions, disk brakes have 
been known to freeze up too, and are harder to clear. Only reliable solutions I 
found were drum brakes (which have other problems) or fixed gear back pedal 
braking, which I’ve switched to and absolutely love for my insanely stupid 
conditions. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick 

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Re: [RBW] No love for the Albastache?

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

E. I chose “E”. 

The surgeon drew little “x’s“ on my hand and the surgeon said ‘No pressure 
here.’  I came home and went to work on a bar swap project and tried:  Nitto 
13’s off road drop, Salsa woodchipper, Albastache, Ahearn, Sycip singles bar, 
Carver Ti bar and original WTB drops from the eighties. The flat bars were the 
best for not hitting the ‘x’. Out of the rest, I chose the original WTBs with 
tons of padding to put the pressure on the fat thumb muscle, rather than the 
heal of my hand. The Albastache was the worst. 

I’m an ex firefighter paramedic with knowledge of anatomy and physiology  
I’ve had three carpal tunnel surgeries and have received lots of advice from 
MD’s on this... “I’m an armchair expert”. 

Most everyone’s nerve is in the same area. At the base of your palm, on the 
pinkie side, there is a bony lump. Just in front of it is where the ulnar nerve 
is, and is exactly where the Albastache’s outer curve hits, no matter where I 
put my hand. When evaluating bars, the first thing I check is nerve ‘clearance 
‘.   Buried somewhere in my Instagram feed is a picture of the ‘x’s’ she drew. 
#dirtdancedesigns .I can’t post photos or I would. 

Hand numbness sucks. Protect your nerves.

Clayton DDD

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[RBW] Re: Things I wish Rivendell still sold..

[Joe Bernard]

I have the 650B x 32 version available, too. $40 shipped. 

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[RBW] Disc brakes

[Joe Bernard]

Not without having mounts welded to it. 

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[RBW] Disc brakes

[Bruce Baker]

Can you put disc brakes on the Hunqapillar??

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Re: [RBW] Re: Things I wish Rivendell still sold..

[Lum Gim Fong]

Banana sax grid grey

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[RBW] FS: Nitto stuff

[Joe Bernard]

Ah, lugged stem is 9cm. 26.0 with Nitto shims provided. 

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[RBW] FS: Nitto stuff

[Joe Bernard]

Now new and improved with pics! 

Alba tentatively sold locally so I don't gotta find a big box. 

Also have Jack Brown Green tires, 20 miles, pair $100 
Nifty Swifty Speedblend 650B x 32, unknown mileage, color is kinda faded, pair 
$35

https://photos.app.goo.gl/SeexT95LFcQSs6FW7

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa vs road bike - (pointless) 19 mile commute time comparison

[Lum Gim Fong]

Thanks, Ash!
Very interesting.
I find that ease of pedaling is what it is all about, and makes me want to 
ride more.
A  bike that is hard to pedal along discourages me from riding.
The engine's built-in "Fun-o-meter" is only measuring tool that matters!
Sounds like both bikes were tops on your Fun-O-Meter!

Only downside I found to upright rigging was riding in wintry blasts. Torso 
more exposed which meant more suffering in winter upright riding for me.
But the views are fantastic when riding upright!

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[RBW] FREE steerer tube spacers

[RichS]

Spacers have been claimed.

Many thanks,
Rich in ATL

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[RBW] Re: Work Stand Suggestions

[RichS]

Brett:

Having a work stand will make your maintenance work much more pleasant. It 
will also save your back. Park PCS-9 in my garage.

Best,
Rich in ATL 

On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 11:12:02 AM UTC-5, Brett Callahan wrote:
>
> Hi all, 
>
> I'm moving to a bigger place with a basement that will be a great bike 
> workshop area. Given the amount of time I spend tinkering, maintaining, and 
> building bikes for my wife and I, I think it's time to upgrade past the 
> cheap plastic work stand I have been using for the last three years. I 
> don't know the name or model of what I have, but it is a mostly plastic job 
> from Amazon. 
>
> Wants/Needs: I'm not concerned with weight, or ability to store, as it 
> will have a more or less permanent spot in the basement. I'm willing to pay 
> a little more for durability--between my bikes, my wife's bikes and a 
> revolving door of friend's bikes, I seem to do a lot of work on bikes 
> lately. One-hand clamp operation would be great. A built in tool holder is 
> unnecessary, but not a bad thing. 
>
> I'd love to hear your suggestions! 
>
> Brett, looking forward to a long winter of wrenching in PDX. 
>

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[RBW] Appaloosa vs road bike - (pointless) 19 mile commute time comparison

[Bill Lindsay]

Bravo for objectivity, Ash. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito Ca

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Re: [RBW] Re: Things I wish Rivendell still sold..

[R Shannon]

Howard,

That poster. Oh yeah!

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 7:32 AM Howard Ramsay  wrote:

> [image: RIVENDELL poster.jpg]
>
>
> On Saturday, September 22, 2012 at 9:27:43 AM UTC-5, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>>
>> Kinda sad that I missed out on what I believe was the "Golden Years" of
>> Rivendell products. Not saying that their products aren't Golden now. It's
>> just that I always end up finding Rivendell products on ebay that were sold
>> years before I even found the website.  With that these are things I wish
>> Rivendell sold still.
>>
>> Rivendell wool jersey! < Always feel like when I find one my size on
>> ebay they go for 4 !times the original price. I like pockets on my back I
>> feel for biking it's the easy accessible place to grab things. Also they
>> make for great places for hiding bananas
>>
>> Aussie leather slipper wool socks << I had two pairs of these that were a
>> size too big for me but I would still regularly used on camping trips. I
>> loved them! But after a couple of washing the leather bottoms were done.
>> When I went back to try to get them
>>
>> Wool Uno pocket shirt<--- I remember seeing these on the website and
>> thinking how smart it was but never jumped on it because I was a poor
>> college student. Now Rapha sells one for like 80 dollars! I felt they were
>> a smart design that was way before their time.
>>
>> Rivendell Brooks saddle? <-- I've seen these floating around the internet
>> from time to time. I thought it was a neat idea.
>>
>> Anyone else have other things they wish Rivendell still sold?
>>
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[RBW] Re: Things I wish Rivendell still sold..

[jim]

I have a pair of the 700 x32 speedblends if anyone is interested. Very low 
miles. Jim

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[RBW] Re: wheel build suggestions

[Howard Ramsay]

Please contact Richard Lesnick at i...@handsonwheels.com 
The same Richard Lesnick that creates all the hand built wheelsets for RBW.

On Saturday, November 10, 2018 at 12:35:20 PM UTC-6, bo richardson wrote:
>
> my atlantis was loaned to a friend who was going to do some work on it for 
> me. 
> a young womman on her cell phone hit him and the bike. he ended up on the 
> hood. 
> Michael is banged up, mostlyok but wont know for sure till osteo visit on 
> the 20th. 
> the bike seems mostly ok. Brooks is damaged, tape is damaged, rear wheel 
> is wrecked. 
>
> Am planning shop-based both wheel rebuild. Schmidt front hub. 
> Rear hub i think is DX, ie shimano 105quality. 
>
> is there a price/value upgrade hub i should buy? it will probably be out 
> of my pocket 
> I dont want White or Phil expense. LX.?IRD? 
> Will keep Schmidt front hub. 
>
> What about nice silver rims? I usually run 1.5” tires.  But possible next 
> owner may want wider tires? 
>
> Thanks 
> Bo Richardson 
> Bellingham 
>
> Thanks for crowdsourced expertise. 
>

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[RBW] Re: No love for the Albastache?

[Surlyprof]

The advice I was given when I shifted from albatross to albastache was to drop 
the stem length 30mm.  I went from a 110 to an 80 and that felt right.  Not 
sure about shifting from drops but Riv probably has a suggestion.

John (happy albastache rider for 3+ years)

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[RBW] Re: FS: Winter cycling cap, wool + fleece lining; earflaps

[Howard Ramsay]

Patrick, I could really use that cap. Thank you for offering it!  How may I 
complete the transaction, please?

On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 4:15:24 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> A nice wool + fleece cycling cap with short brim and earflaps that is too 
> small for me. Worn a few times, but otherwise as new.
>
> Since I wear a L or XL. I'd guess this is more like a Medium.
>
> $21 shipped CONUS.
>
> OR, buy that box of stuff I posted last week, either with or without #3 
> HpX, and I'll throw this in at no additional charge. See: 
>
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en_US#!searchin/internet-bob/bargain$20in%7Csort:date/internet-bob/x6-SqYkd_KQ/H_hpw4Z1AgAJ
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[RBW] Re: Things I wish Rivendell still sold..

[Howard Ramsay]

[image: RIVENDELL poster.jpg]


On Saturday, September 22, 2012 at 9:27:43 AM UTC-5, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>
> Kinda sad that I missed out on what I believe was the "Golden Years" of 
> Rivendell products. Not saying that their products aren't Golden now. It's 
> just that I always end up finding Rivendell products on ebay that were sold 
> years before I even found the website.  With that these are things I wish 
> Rivendell sold still.
>
> Rivendell wool jersey! < Always feel like when I find one my size on 
> ebay they go for 4 !times the original price. I like pockets on my back I 
> feel for biking it's the easy accessible place to grab things. Also they 
> make for great places for hiding bananas 
>
> Aussie leather slipper wool socks << I had two pairs of these that were a 
> size too big for me but I would still regularly used on camping trips. I 
> loved them! But after a couple of washing the leather bottoms were done. 
> When I went back to try to get them
>
> Wool Uno pocket shirt<--- I remember seeing these on the website and 
> thinking how smart it was but never jumped on it because I was a poor 
> college student. Now Rapha sells one for like 80 dollars! I felt they were 
> a smart design that was way before their time. 
>
> Rivendell Brooks saddle? <-- I've seen these floating around the internet 
> from time to time. I thought it was a neat idea. 
>
> Anyone else have other things they wish Rivendell still sold?
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rust proof question

[Steve Butcher]

I've used the Groody Brothers for a frame powder coating project several 
years ago.  They do very nice work.  I have no financial or business 
involvement with them.  I would just like to contribute to this thread 
based on my own experience.  I'd suggest looking at their website to see 
examples of their work.  

Steve Butcher
Stockton, Missouri (about 3 hours drive southwest of Kansas City)

On Saturday, November 10, 2018 at 4:38:27 PM UTC-6, Andrew Huston wrote:
>
> Maybe a dumb question...
> Is it a terrible idea to spray some rustproofing material into a fully 
> built bike or should it be done on a bare frame?  Are there any methods or 
> products that folks find to be best?  

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[RBW] Re: Stein's 'Hypercracker' Tool and Riv Dropouts

[John Rinker]

Ha! Sounds like a fine SNL skit 'The Flatulent Mechanic'.

On Thursday, November 15, 2018 at 9:43:17 AM UTC+5:45, LeRoy wrote:
>
>
> When it comes to fasteners with really high torque values, and when no 
> torque wrench is available, a good approximation is to tighten it until you 
> fart.
>
> LeRoy
>
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[RBW] Re: Stein's 'Hypercracker' Tool and Riv Dropouts

[John Rinker]

Thanks Bill. Your suggestion in #3 is precisely what I have done. 

I've removed the lockring many times and reinstalled, but never with a 
torque wrench. I've always just tightened it about a 'scosh' more than snug 
and have never had issues. 

Cheers. John

On Thursday, November 15, 2018 at 12:06:20 AM UTC+5:45, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I have three thoughts on this:
>
> 1.  The recommended torque rating for a cassette lockring is typically 40 
> N-m.  For those who don't know what that means, that is solidly in the 
> "Really freaking tight" regime.  Like as tight as crank bolts.  In my 
> opinion, that torque rating for a cassette lockring is absurd.  Cassette 
> cogs slide onto a spline.  The top one is only half-engaged with a spline.  
> The job of the lockring is to keep the cogset on the spline and to not 
> allow the cogs to be loose enough to wiggle.  In my opinion, cassette 
> lockrings need not be tightened much farther than 'snug'.  I've never 
> torque wrenched a cassette lockring but my guess is I'm in the 10 N-m range 
> on my bikes.  
>
> 2.  If your cassette lockring has been installed to 40 N-m, I doubt you 
> will be able to remove a cassette lockring with that Stein tool, no matter 
> what part of the dropout you try to brace the tool against. 
>
> 3.  Whenever I've prepped my bike for a tour, if I'm carrying a compact 
> tool like the Stein, I use that tool to install the lockring, so I know I 
> can use that tool to remove the lockring.  I'd remove the lockring with a 
> 'normal' lockring tool/chainwhip, and then install the lockring with an 
> allen key in the Stein tool.  Just get it snug.  Then you'll know you can 
> remove it easily with that same tool when you need to do so.
>
> Bill  'setting my own torque ratings since 1982' Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 11:29:49 PM UTC-8, John Rinker wrote:
>>
>> Good afternoon,
>>
>> I'm wondering if anyone has experience with using the Stein 
>> 'hypercracker' Shimano cassette remover on their Riv frames. In particular, 
>> I concerned about where the locking device (mini-stud) would connect with 
>> the dropout- right on a braze-on- when using the tool to remove the 
>> lock-ring on the cassette. According to Stein's instructions, one is not 
>> supposed to let the mini-stud connect with the derailleur hanger and so 
>> recommends the the back of the dropout. Unfortunately (fortunately in most 
>> cases!), Riv's have a  braze-on right there. Seems to me that it would pop 
>> that braze-on right off. Seems to me the derailleur hanger would be much 
>> stronger.
>>
>> [image: DSCN9461.jpg]
>> These tools are meant for emergency situations only when one is far from 
>> a bike shop or their own whip and lockring tool.
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Not MUSA but Very Riv

[WETH]

Patrick,
I think they started as singular leg coverings tied together at the waist, 
similar to chaps.  I found this article fascinating and connects, though 
loosely, to riding (steel) horses and Grants Blahg post. 
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/first-pants-worn-horse-riders-3000-years-ago.
Erl

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Re: [RBW] Re: Things I wish Rivendell still sold..

[bruce.herbit...@gmail.com]

 I don't think New Albion is ripping anyone off design wise. The frames are not 
Rivendells and don't quite ride like them, but they are nice. Ours came to 
$1,100 fully built, which is less than many frame sets only at RBW. 

On Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 11:51:25 PM CST, Patrick Moore 
 wrote: 
OTOH: is this an illegitimate Riv design rip-off?
On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 8:04 PM Fullylugged  wrote:

re: The Betty Foy. The New Albion Starling is close in design and affordable. I 
built one up for a family member and she really likes it. the blue is close to 
Ram blue too.


  

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[RBW] Rust proof question

[A. Douglas M.]

I usually pull the wheels, bottom bracket, seat post and fork out and spray 
away then give it a few minutes of gentle twirling. 

Like a beautiful lugged baton. 

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[RBW] Re: Things I wish Rivendell still sold..

[iamkeith]

In the spirit of fond nostalgia, and not criticism orlamenting of change:  I 
really wish I'd have gotten some speed-blend tires.  

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