[RBW] Weird Comments from the Peanut Gallery...

[Ian A]

It's extraordinary how a negative comment (or one perceived as such) holds so 
much power, when a hundred compliments go forgotten.

Think of your local waving and encouraging motorists and remember how much 
respect is paid to you. 

All winter long, mine is the only bicycle locked to the bike racks outside 
work. Some of the employees disapprove of my choice "you must be able to afford 
a car by now" etc., but others solicit advice on what bike they should buy so 
they can start riding. In the first instance if the tone is not hostile, I can 
explain how the ride home clears the stress of the day. For the folk asking 
advice - I try to avoid giving any! I do point out the benefits of wider tires 
and neutral riding position, but beyond that try to be non-committal. I am 
encouraged by the interest though.

Illegitimi non carborundum

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xdLnxfFVsi4

IanA Alberta Canada

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[RBW] Re: RBW 25 -Atlantic side of things

[Timothy Hurley]

Minnewaska sounds great! Can you camp there? Was this already discussed and I 
missed it?

-T.J. in Philadelphia 

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Re: [RBW] RBW XXV WHO’S COMING

[Justin August]

That’s up to folks who offer up rides!

I know recreating the Tour de Fromage was floated on a recent ride with Phil, 
Manny and Jenny Oh have verbally said they’d Co-lead a ride. Im just the 
vehicle for the camp site and such.



Justin
On Apr 1, 2019, 5:29 PM -0700, Pancake , wrote:
> Probably just for one night, but really hope I can ride over from Napa (46 
> miles, 2,200 elevation, good food on the way). Registered.
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[RBW] RBW XXV WHO’S COMING

[Pancake]

Probably just for one night, but really hope I can ride over from Napa (46 
miles, 2,200 elevation, good food on the way). Registered.

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[RBW] Re: RBW XXV WHO’S COMING

['Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Even though it is quite a ways off.  Specific rides planned/organized with 
leader named etc would be wonderful.  Hoping the weather is not so sweltering 
that people bail on the later end of the celebration/gathering!  
Planning on traveling from Michigan to attend.  Not sure if I will arrive via 
plane ✈️, motorcycle(again) 🏍, or a combination of 🚙 and bike 🚲.
So proud of Grant and RBW for surviving for 25 years providing bikes, books, 
hatchets, fellowship, philosophy, health and dietary thoughts, and the joy of 
unracing (Just Ride).

Sincerely,
Ryan Hankinson
West Michigan

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[RBW] Re: Weird Comments from the Peanut Gallery...

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Good point, Doug. Never ascribe as ill will or arrogance what can be explained 
by ignorance. I’ve been guilty of ignorance ... well, I’m ignorant of how many 
times. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

[S]

What happened to the original thread? Did it get too contentious? 


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[RBW] Re: Any UnRacers in Franklin, Tennessee?

[Karl]

Matt,

Thanks for the kind words. Andrew... I think we may already be connected! Would 
love to ride sometime. I have a slight affinity for Rivendell and share many of 
their philosophies. 

Karl
Nashville, TN

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[RBW] Re: Weird Comments from the Peanut Gallery...

[Joe Bernard]

Still raining in much of the country, eh?

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Re: [RBW] GAP Trail, west end, improvement

[ascpgh]

Even the green crosswalks haven’t been corrected. At the Smithfield Street 
Bridge where that ramp’s accessible it and an older sign tell you to cross, go 
right then left on Fort Pitt Blvd., the old, traffic filled make-do route.

At the bridge I just went left a few feet on the sidewalk to the ramp then down 
to the river. No more traffic lights or urban confusion l.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh 

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[RBW] Re: Weird Comments from the Peanut Gallery...

[dougP]

I had to read it a couple of times to see the "joke".  Bicycle messengers 
are used in many large US cities for reasons of speed & efficiency.  On any 
give day in New York, I'll bet quite a few of those messengers are 
delivering multi-million dollar contracts, proposals, lawsuits, reports, 
etc.  You just encountered a provincial.  If he rode to the PO on a horse, 
(not unthinkable in many rural areas), would he take offense to someone 
asking "Pony Express?".

dougP, (pedaling to the PO whenever I need to.)

On Monday, April 1, 2019 at 3:03:14 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Weirdest comment from the peanut gallery in a long while. I was packing up 
> packages at the Post when a guy about my age stopped at the door and said: 
> “Amazon Asia, huh?”
>
> After a few rounds of him trying to explain the “joke” as “that’s how they 
> actually deliver packages in Asia” and then giving up and saying “I guess 
> it’s not as good a joke as I thought,” my poor brain with all the noise 
> (that no one but me likely even noticed) had no better response than: “The 
> bicycle is a great form of transportation the world over.”
>
> I failed at my usual smile and wave. This was stand there dumbfounded at 
> the levels of arrogance inherent in his statement with my head cocked and 
> look stupid. It did that really well. Grin.
>
> Any odd comments lately?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
> www.CatholicHalos.org
> www.DeaconPatrick.org
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[RBW] Re: Jan’s take on transfer of motor racing bits to bikes

[Mike Packard]

VO too: 
https://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2019/04/introducing-new-l-handlebar-bag.html

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[RBW] Weird Comments from the Peanut Gallery...

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Of course, in giving the benifit of the doubt, it is entirely possible I 
misread his tone or he misdelivered it. Which is why I gave a mostly neutral 
response.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Weird Comments from the Peanut Gallery...

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

His tone of delivery was smarmy rather than excited to see a bicycle in use.

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Re: [RBW] Weird Comments from the Peanut Gallery...

[Patrick Moore]

Oh, I forgot my anecdote. I was casually wheeling my 2003 Riv thru the
aisles of my favored Sprout's when a young 40 something piped up, "Old
steely!" I let rip with magisterial rebuttal. I should have said, still
magisterially, "You must be a Fred."

On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 4:15 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Was his joke arrogant? They do deliver packages by means other than
> automobile in much of Asia far more than we do here.
>
> Or did he mean, "Damned backward slant eyes"? If that, then yes, arrogant.
> (I myself am 1/2 of what Wm Howard Taft, when head of US government in the
> Phillippines, called "our little brown brothers.")
>
> Patrick "*big* brown brother" Moore, who has slanty eyes himself, in ABQ,
> NM.
>
> On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 4:03 PM 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Weirdest comment from the peanut gallery in a long while. I was packing
>> up packages at the Post when a guy about my age stopped at the door and
>> said: “Amazon Asia, huh?”
>>
>> After a few rounds of him trying to explain the “joke” as “that’s how
>> they actually deliver packages in Asia” and then giving up and saying “I
>> guess it’s not as good a joke as I thought,” my poor brain with all the
>> noise (that no one but me likely even noticed) had no better response than:
>> “The bicycle is a great form of transportation the world over.”
>>
>> I failed at my usual smile and wave. This was stand there dumbfounded at
>> the levels of arrogance inherent in his statement with my head cocked and
>> look stupid. It did that really well. Grin.
>>
>> Any odd comments lately?
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>> www.CatholicHalos.org
>> www.DeaconPatrick.org
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Re: [RBW] Weird Comments from the Peanut Gallery...

[Patrick Moore]

Was his joke arrogant? They do deliver packages by means other than
automobile in much of Asia far more than we do here.

Or did he mean, "Damned backward slant eyes"? If that, then yes, arrogant.
(I myself am 1/2 of what Wm Howard Taft, when head of US government in the
Phillippines, called "our little brown brothers.")

Patrick "*big* brown brother" Moore, who has slanty eyes himself, in ABQ,
NM.

On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 4:03 PM 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Weirdest comment from the peanut gallery in a long while. I was packing up
> packages at the Post when a guy about my age stopped at the door and said:
> “Amazon Asia, huh?”
>
> After a few rounds of him trying to explain the “joke” as “that’s how they
> actually deliver packages in Asia” and then giving up and saying “I guess
> it’s not as good a joke as I thought,” my poor brain with all the noise
> (that no one but me likely even noticed) had no better response than: “The
> bicycle is a great form of transportation the world over.”
>
> I failed at my usual smile and wave. This was stand there dumbfounded at
> the levels of arrogance inherent in his statement with my head cocked and
> look stupid. It did that really well. Grin.
>
> Any odd comments lately?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
> www.CatholicHalos.org
> www.DeaconPatrick.org
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Re: [RBW] GAP Trail, west end, improvement

[Steve Palincsar]

On 4/1/19 5:52 PM, ascpgh wrote:
Got out today in the crystal clear daylight for a ride in the 34° 
bluster and saw the new switchback ramp from the Smithfield Street 
Bridge down to the Monongahela River wharf where riders on the Great 
Allegheny Passage can get to or from Point State Park and the 
confluence of the Allegheny and Monongahela Rivers creating the Ohio 
River without playing in downtown Pittsburgh urban traffic:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/TQSJcLpk8Ty1nT3KA



Let me be sure I understand: this new ramp lets you come in without the 
maze on downtown streets?  I'm glad the lead rider in our party had BPS, 
because even though there was signage on the streets, there's no way I 
could ever have followed it.   Has this been updated in the online maps 
of the GAP?





A little farther along toward the Point:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/PMuJ8xErVYZdRUHH7

The fountain is off still, despite being opening day at PNC Park for 
the Pirates:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/aqiqjMBkfGQ2v2Uo7



It looks much better when the fountain is on!



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Alexandria, Virginia
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Re: [RBW] Jan’s take on transfer of motor racing bits to bikes

[Eric Floden]

That is great, tnx

EricF
New Edinburg Ont

On Monday, 1 April 2019, George Rosselle  wrote:
> Y'all may find this useful too:
>
> http://whatbars.com/tires/
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, April 1, 2019 at 12:46:04 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>> Jan has perfected a deadpan tongue-in-cheek seriousness of delivery and
a certain twisted April Fool logic that leads to incredibly convincing and
even disturbing April 1 articles.  Sometimes it's almost more frightening
than funny because it sounds so disturbingly real.  It never took long to
see that ShelBroCo products introduced on April 1 were jokes, but here you
really never know, not for 100% certain: there's always that nagging
feeling that just possibly this really is "where things are actually going."
>>
>> Bravo Jan, I say!
>>
>> On 4/1/19 12:17 PM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>>
>> Aye, I read it at 2am, and was at first puzzled by the undermining of
things Jan has recently introduced and his passion for quality, timelss
design. The fact that this is less an April Fools and more a “trajectory of
where things are actually going”, even more so than others of his, is
concerning.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
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[RBW] Weird Comments from the Peanut Gallery...

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Weirdest comment from the peanut gallery in a long while. I was packing up 
packages at the Post when a guy about my age stopped at the door and said: 
“Amazon Asia, huh?”

After a few rounds of him trying to explain the “joke” as “that’s how they 
actually deliver packages in Asia” and then giving up and saying “I guess it’s 
not as good a joke as I thought,” my poor brain with all the noise (that no one 
but me likely even noticed) had no better response than: “The bicycle is a 
great form of transportation the world over.”

I failed at my usual smile and wave. This was stand there dumbfounded at the 
levels of arrogance inherent in his statement with my head cocked and look 
stupid. It did that really well. Grin.

Any odd comments lately?

With abandon,
Patrick

www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
www.CatholicHalos.org
www.DeaconPatrick.org

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv HHH tandem fundraiser 2.0, updated campaign!

[Denise Granger]

Just checked this out and it looks like the goal was reached - this is so great 
- thank you all!

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 1, 2019, at 4:40 AM, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles 
> <4824...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Everyone!  I just posted an update to my personal Facebook page and shop 
> pagewent something like this:  
> 
> We're a wee bit shy of our goal of $2k by 4/1, do you have a few extra clams 
> you can throw towards this most excellent effort? Imagine the joy and 
> excitement this could bring to someone who would otherwise be prevented from 
> such a simple pleasure   (This tandem is being donated to a "Blind Stoker's 
> Club" that allows visually impaired people to ride bikes!)
> 
> Can we all share among our various social media platforms?  We're so close!!
> 
> Alex in Rochester...
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Re: [RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

[Patrick Moore]

I'll be sure to choose a modern helmet over a hairnet when I whack myself
over the head with an Indian club.

I'd rather say a prayer. (And I do, sharing The Deacon's proclivities. At
any rate, a brief prayer looks better than helmet hair and is guaranteed
-Amen! - more effective than an herbal necklace.)

On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 2:37 PM Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> I was the Workshop Chair for the 1974 Great Eastern Rally in Poughkeepsie
> NY.  The MSR bicycle helmet was only weeks away from introduction, and a
> friend who was involved in its development put on a workshop about it.
> After comparing it to the leather hairnet racing helmets of the day, he
> concluded his presentation by putting the helmet on, picking up an Indian
> Club and whacking himself over the head with it.  He then offered the
> Indian Club to the audience members and asked if any of them "would care to
> try that with your leather hairnet."   Not one single taker...
> On 4/1/19 3:36 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> - I'm still weighing the question and hoping for more evidence -
>
> Put a helmet on, bang your head on a wall. Take off helmet, repeat.
>
>
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[RBW] Newbaum's now offers wider, more padded tape

[tc]

In addition to their standard tape, see this page 
 
for info on their new tape.

Tom

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[RBW] GAP Trail, west end, improvement

[ascpgh]

Got out today in the crystal clear daylight for a ride in the 34° bluster 
and saw the new switchback ramp from the Smithfield Street Bridge down to 
the Monongahela River wharf where riders on the Great Allegheny Passage can 
get to or from Point State Park and the confluence of the Allegheny and 
Monongahela Rivers creating the Ohio River without playing in downtown 
Pittsburgh urban traffic:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/TQSJcLpk8Ty1nT3KA

A little farther along toward the Point:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/PMuJ8xErVYZdRUHH7

The fountain is off still, despite being opening day at PNC Park for the 
Pirates:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/aqiqjMBkfGQ2v2Uo7



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Pittsburgh

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Re: [RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

[Patrick Moore]

Sure, Joe.

On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 1:36 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

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[RBW] Re: Touch-up for the mustard/butternut color?

[Weston Hein]

I have a mustard Clem and was going to order a RAL 1027 touch up pen. Not 
sure if it's exact but should be close enough for me. Hope this helps!

https://www.lvppaints.com/RAL-1027-Touch-Up-Pen.html

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[RBW] Re: Any UnRacers in Franklin, Tennessee?

[Matt Jacobs]

Hi Andrew, good to see you on here. 

I've moved out to Utah where there is much Rivendell bliss, but know of a 
couple people that are what you are looking for in Tennessee. Look out for 
Karl Worley, he's the owner of Biscuit Love and also has a couple Riv 
bikes. I have bought a frame from him in the past and would think that he's 
got a few more people to connect you to.

The other is Steele Palombo, who was in Tennessee this past summer but is 
in Utah now, he may be going back. We built up a 650b Lotus last summer for 
him to cruise around on.

If you're ever out this way, give me a holler!

- Matt Jacobs


On Thursday, March 21, 2019 at 8:51:55 AM UTC-6, Andrew Turner wrote:
>
> This is my first post so if this isn't the right place to look for this 
> kind of information, let me know! 
>
> It seems that every cyclist in my area rides carbon with a full body suit 
> of lycra for free, so the idea of riding around for fun loaded with some 
> nuts, jerky, havarti, and a hammock has yet to spread for reasons nobody 
> can explain. 
>
> I thought Rivendell riders might be a fun starting point! If there's 
> anyone in the Franklin, TN area who are looking for an extra rider, I'm in! 
>
> Thank you, everyone. 
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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Rosco Bubbe - Bronze

[It's me Ryan]

Thanks you guys but it sold this morning locally. I tried to post the bump 
a couple days ago but it din't get though moderation until today. 




On Friday, March 29, 2019 at 11:29:40 AM UTC-7, George Rosselle wrote:
>
> I can't believe you haven't sold this bike yet. How often do you have the 
> opportunity to buy a Radavist featured bike at this price? I love my Rosco, 
> I think it rides better than my first generation Atlantis did. 
>
>
>
> On Friday, March 29, 2019 at 1:26:26 PM UTC-4, It's me Ryan wrote:
>>
>> A quick bump to try it one more time. Thanks
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

[S]

I don’t think anyone here believes a helmet offers a magical level of 
protection in a serious crash. But as I and others have observed in this 
thread, a helmet absolutely can keep your face off the blacktop. As I went 
skidding along the ground in my last bad crash, I was grateful it was the side 
of the helmet and not my face that was doing the skidding. And if you wear 
glasses, a helmet can save them from smashing and sending plastic or glass 
shards into your eyes. That’s nice as well. Also, helmets are so light and 
vented these days that comfort seems a weak argument against wearing a helmet. 

Having broken multiple bones in multiple crashes I am under no illusions as to 
my fragility on a bike. Plenty of other parts can break besides my head, so 
plopping a helmet on doesn’t make me into an instant daredevil. Helmets aren’t 
a 100% solution but they do mitigate damage to a degree and for me that degree 
is sufficient. 

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[RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

[sameness]

Interesting point, Edwin, and I know exactly what you mean. 

I'm often on construction sites as part of my job, and the single easiest 
way to guarantee I'll bang my head on scaffolding is to make me put on my 
hard hat. 

Still and all, and much like Steve's example above, I'm always glad to be 
wearing the hard hat when it happens.

Jeff "Knock On Wood" Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Monday, April 1, 2019 at 12:33:41 PM UTC-7, Edwin W wrote:
>
> Jeff,
>
> I would add one under-studied disadvantage of wearing a helmet: 
> You are more likely to hit your head on things when you have a helmet on 
> than when you do not have one on. I have not seen this scientifically 
> studied (yet!), but I have experienced it myself. Your body is so well 
> trained to know where your head is and to avoid that thing hitting 
> something. Add 1-2" of plastic and foam around it and your subconscious 
> judgment is off. I remember hiking in a cave. I kept knocking my head into 
> things when wearing a hat. I took the hat off and I didn't hit it again. 
> Now, how many cracked helmets are due to this effect, I cannot say, but I 
> will bet more that one.
> *This is NOT a reason to not wear a helmet if you are inclined to do so, 
> but one small disadvantage of wearing one.
> I am more likely to wear a helmet when the risk is higher (in a 
> criterium), and less likely to wear it when the risk is lower (toodling in 
> the Netherlands) while biking, but walking or driving... no matter how 
> risky the situation is (driving in a snowstorm on unplowed roads, for 
> example, or walking right next to a busy street), I will not wear a helmet, 
> and (almost) nobody has ever suggested it.
>
> Edwin
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

[Ryan M.]

Joe, you hit the nail on the head (or head on the wall). I know what I want on 
my head when I’m banging it into a wall.

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Re: [RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

[Steve Palincsar]

I was the Workshop Chair for the 1974 Great Eastern Rally in 
Poughkeepsie NY.  The MSR bicycle helmet was only weeks away from 
introduction, and a friend who was involved in its development put on a 
workshop about it.  After comparing it to the leather hairnet racing 
helmets of the day, he concluded his presentation by putting the helmet 
on, picking up an Indian Club and whacking himself over the head with 
it.  He then offered the Indian Club to the audience members and asked 
if any of them "would care to try that with your leather hairnet."   Not 
one single taker...


On 4/1/19 3:36 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:

- I'm still weighing the question and hoping for more evidence -

Put a helmet on, bang your head on a wall. Take off helmet, repeat.


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Re: [RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

[Joe Bernard]

- I'm still weighing the question and hoping for more evidence -

Put a helmet on, bang your head on a wall. Take off helmet, repeat. 

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[RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

[Edwin W]

Jeff,

I would add one under-studied disadvantage of wearing a helmet: 
You are more likely to hit your head on things when you have a helmet on 
than when you do not have one on. I have not seen this scientifically 
studied (yet!), but I have experienced it myself. Your body is so well 
trained to know where your head is and to avoid that thing hitting 
something. Add 1-2" of plastic and foam around it and your subconscious 
judgment is off. I remember hiking in a cave. I kept knocking my head into 
things when wearing a hat. I took the hat off and I didn't hit it again. 
Now, how many cracked helmets are due to this effect, I cannot say, but I 
will bet more that one.
*This is NOT a reason to not wear a helmet if you are inclined to do so, 
but one small disadvantage of wearing one.
I am more likely to wear a helmet when the risk is higher (in a criterium), 
and less likely to wear it when the risk is lower (toodling in the 
Netherlands) while biking, but walking or driving... no matter how risky 
the situation is (driving in a snowstorm on unplowed roads, for example, or 
walking right next to a busy street), I will not wear a helmet, and 
(almost) nobody has ever suggested it.

Edwin

On Monday, April 1, 2019 at 1:42:02 PM UTC-5, sameness wrote:
>
> I have often wondered the same thing. And by often I mean at least three 
> times, maybe four.
>
> E... off the top of my head:
>
> 1) Helmet hair
> 2) Heat/ventilation/general discomfort
> 3) Personal liberty/bodily autonomy/1%er 
> 4) Something about how when you wear a helmet you are more likely to be a 
> daredevil or act less safely
> 5) Possibly something else about how drivers will give you less space if 
> they think you are protected by a helmet but I can't remember
>
> What am I missing in the way of downsides? Serious, honest, earnest 
> question.
>
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
>
> On Monday, April 1, 2019 at 11:29:40 AM UTC-7, Ryan M. wrote:
>>
>> I can’t really see any downside to wearing a helmet; at the very least it 
>> will save the noggin from lacerations.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

[Joe Bernard]

My understanding is Amsterdam has an entire cycle route infrastructure separate 
from automobiles. Which still isn't going to help you if you plotz on the 
pavement and crack your head, but I'm guessing the likelihood of such a mishap 
is greatly reduced by not dodging cars and their potholes on the way to work 
every morning. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

[Patrick Moore]

All of the below, but principally because I don't like doing something when
I see no good reason for it -- per my earlier posts. I often wonder if
there *are* good reasons, but I haven't seen them yet. I'm still weighing
the question and hoping for more evidence.

As far as I know, wearing a helmet is like tying a little bag of scent or
herbs around your neck to ward off the plague.

I am very pleasantly surprised that this thread has remained so civil. I
was even civil to Garth! (Pulling your chain, Garth!)

On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 12:42 PM sameness  wrote:

> I have often wondered the same thing. And by often I mean at least three
> times, maybe four.
>
> E... off the top of my head:
>
> 1) Helmet hair
> 2) Heat/ventilation/general discomfort
> 3) Personal liberty/bodily autonomy/1%er
> 4) Something about how when you wear a helmet you are more likely to be a
> daredevil or act less safely
> 5) Possibly something else about how drivers will give you less space if
> they think you are protected by a helmet but I can't remember
>
> What am I missing in the way of downsides? Serious, honest, earnest
> question.
>
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
>
> On Monday, April 1, 2019 at 11:29:40 AM UTC-7, Ryan M. wrote:
>>
>> I can’t really see any downside to wearing a helmet; at the very least it
>> will save the noggin from lacerations.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Original Rivendell Mountain Bike

[Patrick Moore]

I wouldn't mind owning that bike!

On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 9:21 PM Benz, Sunnyvale, CA 
wrote:

> So what's the difference, other than lugs? I ask because I have an old
> Rivendell that looks like yours, and I always thought it was an AR.
>
> [image: 28497552804_43723635eb_z.jpg]
>
>
> On Sunday, March 31, 2019 at 7:59:16 PM UTC-7, RonaTD wrote:
>>
>> The link provided shows an All Rounder, which is not the same as the
>> mountain bike. The mountain bike was going to use a fork crown that would
>> look like a lugged unicrown, but the fork blade bends that were required
>> proved to be to difficult.
>>
>> I have a Riv MTB made by Waterford, using the All Rounder fork. The
>> geometry is very similar to a Bridgestone MB-0/1.
>>
>> https://flickr.com/photos/7627416@N06/sets/72157628554831513
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee WI
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[RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

[lconley]

I generally did not wear helmets for the last 50+ years of cycling, unless 
required by an event or club. They did not have helmets when I started 
cycling (other than the hard to locate leather hair net style), and once 
they did, my head was too big and they did not fit well. I actually had one 
of the very early open topped Skid Lids in the mid 70s - It was yellow and 
matched the paint on my Paramount. A few years ago, during my three years 
in Everett, WA, I drove down to Universal Cycles in Portland, they did not 
have a helmet in the entire store that really fit me, one sort of fit, but 
the salesclerk refused to sell it to me because he said that it did not fit 
well enough. He told me that I needed a Giro Bishop helmet. I called around 
and found one at another bike shop in Portland, and sure enough, it fit. 
Recently I put a "Da Brim" sunshade on it and now I wear it, mostly for the 
protection from the sun.

I spent some time in Amsterdam a few years ago - they generally don't wear 
helmets and I haven't read anything about the Dutch cyclists having a 
higher than normal rate of cycling deaths or injuries. I think Americans 
like the illusion of safety  - be it bike helmets or big SUVs.

Laing Conley
Cocoa, FL

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Re: [RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Eric, I think the idea is “glimpse cognition recognition” (a technical term I 
just made up). Riding down a trail, I am always scanning ahead, scouting my 
line of travel as I impliment it. I don’t identify most trees as I pass, but I 
do notice branches sticking out that effect my line and adjust accordingly. 
Similarly with people walking down the road. I asses from a glimpse how much 
space I will give them. Child(ren), dog, or group? A lot of space. Individual 
lost in thier own world? A lot of space. Someone who sees me and waves or I 
recognize? Less space.

Drivers do the same thing, and have developed a bias, so the theory goes, 
against racing mentality cyclists. If I don’t LOOK at a GLANCE like a racer, 
they give me more room. I have long experienced this. I get even more room when 
I take the right wheel track on the road and wave and smile.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Given that there’s so much concern out there about whether motorists notice 
cyclists at all, it’s nice to see that some drivers (see item #5) pay so much 
attention that they discern whether we’re wearing a helmet and adjust passing 
distances accordingly. I wish that was the case, but I don’t think it is.

--Eric Norris
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> On Apr 1, 2019, at 11:42 AM, sameness  wrote:
> 
> I have often wondered the same thing. And by often I mean at least three 
> times, maybe four.
> 
> E... off the top of my head:
> 
> 1) Helmet hair
> 2) Heat/ventilation/general discomfort
> 3) Personal liberty/bodily autonomy/1%er 
> 4) Something about how when you wear a helmet you are more likely to be a 
> daredevil or act less safely
> 5) Possibly something else about how drivers will give you less space if they 
> think you are protected by a helmet but I can't remember
> 
> What am I missing in the way of downsides? Serious, honest, earnest question.
> 
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
> 
> On Monday, April 1, 2019 at 11:29:40 AM UTC-7, Ryan M. wrote:
> I can’t really see any downside to wearing a helmet; at the very least it 
> will save the noggin from lacerations.
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[RBW] Re: RBW XXV WHO’S COMING

[Ash]

Registered.


On Friday, 29 March 2019 11:57:58 UTC-7, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>
> RIV 25th ANNIVERSARY WHO'S COMING
> http://rbwxxv.eventbrite.com 
>
>
>
> Justin
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Re: [RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

[Patrick Moore]

Garth, you are in good company!

On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 12:44 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> In an appreciation of John Dryden.
>
>> On 4/1/19 1:19 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> "He delighted to tread upon the brink of meaning."
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

[Patrick Moore]

In an appreciation of John Dryden.

[image: image.png]

On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 11:42 AM Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> Libquotes attributes it to Samuel Johnson, but doesn't source it beyond
> that.
> On 4/1/19 1:19 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> "He delighted to tread upon the brink of meaning."
>
> 5 gold stars to anyone who can attribute this dictum.
>
> Garth, I love you.
>
> Over and out.
>
> Patrick Moore, currently helmetless at his keyboard in ABQ, NM.
>
> On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 3:43 AM Garth  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Life is Living and Living is Life.  Indivisibility, Infinity .  Life
>> cannot harm or heal Life for the simple fact that *Life Itself Living is
>> Living Itself Life  .*
>>
>> Life is Life's Own-Life..
>>
>>
>> BEING The BEING That BEING Be  BEING ITSELF* .   * The who, what,
>> where, when, why and how  ALL BEING Being The ALL BEING ... ALL-ITSELF .
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

[sameness]

Edited because remembered:

6) Something else about how helmets snap back your head and neck on 
(frontal?) impact and possibly make things worse

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Monday, April 1, 2019 at 11:42:02 AM UTC-7, sameness wrote:
>
> I have often wondered the same thing. And by often I mean at least three 
> times, maybe four.
>
> E... off the top of my head:
>
> 1) Helmet hair
> 2) Heat/ventilation/general discomfort
> 3) Personal liberty/bodily autonomy/1%er 
> 4) Something about how when you wear a helmet you are more likely to be a 
> daredevil or act less safely
> 5) Possibly something else about how drivers will give you less space if 
> they think you are protected by a helmet but I can't remember
>
> What am I missing in the way of downsides? Serious, honest, earnest 
> question.
>
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
>
> On Monday, April 1, 2019 at 11:29:40 AM UTC-7, Ryan M. wrote:
>>
>> I can’t really see any downside to wearing a helmet; at the very least it 
>> will save the noggin from lacerations.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

[sameness]

I have often wondered the same thing. And by often I mean at least three 
times, maybe four.

E... off the top of my head:

1) Helmet hair
2) Heat/ventilation/general discomfort
3) Personal liberty/bodily autonomy/1%er 
4) Something about how when you wear a helmet you are more likely to be a 
daredevil or act less safely
5) Possibly something else about how drivers will give you less space if 
they think you are protected by a helmet but I can't remember

What am I missing in the way of downsides? Serious, honest, earnest 
question.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Monday, April 1, 2019 at 11:29:40 AM UTC-7, Ryan M. wrote:
>
> I can’t really see any downside to wearing a helmet; at the very least it 
> will save the noggin from lacerations.

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[RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

[Ryan M.]

Was just thinking that. 

I can’t really see any downside to wearing a helmet; at the very least it will 
save the noggin from lacerations.

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[RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

[Ash]

😂 😂 😂


On Saturday, 30 March 2019 05:44:23 UTC-7, alan lavine wrote:
>
> Thank you, Garth, for clarifying a complex issue.
> Alan
> NYC
>
> On Saturday, March 30, 2019 at 5:43:22 AM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Life is Living and Living is Life.  Indivisibility, Infinity .  Life 
>> cannot harm or heal Life for the simple fact that *Life Itself Living is 
>> Living Itself Life  .*   
>>
>> Life is Life's Own-Life.. 
>>
>>
>> BEING The BEING That BEING Be  BEING ITSELF* .   * The who, what, 
>> where, when, why and how  ALL BEING Being The ALL BEING ... ALL-ITSELF .
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

[Daniel D.]

Why not always pay extra attention? :p

On Sunday, March 31, 2019 at 6:42:52 PM UTC-7, MCT wrote:
>
> +1 on the helmet.  I forgot mine for a ride last week on the bike path. I 
> still rode, felt out of place and paid extra attention.
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 2 Gus Boots For Sale on Riv Site

[S]

That’s interesting. I would have liked to hear that conversation. I was 
initially against the idea, but after doing more research, I am no longer sure. 
I still don’t think Rivendell should go to disc on all their bikes, but would 
one disc bike hurt? No need to answer that question. “Selling a disc bike would 
feel bad” is a good enough reason. I am just curious what the actual 
conversation was like. 

It’s complicated. I am reminded of that recent Tom Ritchey interview wherein he 
makes a long and detailed case that steel forks are the best. And yet, Ritchey 
sells no steel forks. That seems … odd? Sad? Confusing? To be clear, I don’t 
fault Tom Ritchey for that decision. Selling carbon forks is the pragmatic move 
and Ritchey Bikes seems to be doing ok financially. But, to me, it’s 
disappointing, maybe even a little troubling, that a company would feel it has 
to sell something it doesn’t really believe in. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

[Josette Akresh-Gonzales]

Dear friends, 


This is a fascinatingly humble and civil thread! ❤️


Two summers ago I decided to stop wearing a helmet after I realized that 
mine was about 10 years old and I'd been told that they should be replaced 
every 3 years. My B.S.-o'meter went off and since then I've been working on 
gathering info about helmets: what they were designed to do, what tests 
have been done to prove they work, and whether or not helmet mandates, such 
as the one in Australia, are having an impact on bike-related injuries, 
concussions, or fatalities. Here's my doc with lots of notes, quotes, and 
links. 


https://docs.google.com/document/d/1U3Cke_Ffzt9dOFDrAxun1gf3yffqOMxNe0Gi0W5dxIQ/edit?usp=sharing

Best, 
Josette

On Monday, April 1, 2019 at 1:42:06 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> Libquotes attributes it to Samuel Johnson, but doesn't source it beyond 
> that.
> On 4/1/19 1:19 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> "He delighted to tread upon the brink of meaning." 
>
> 5 gold stars to anyone who can attribute this dictum.
>
> Garth, I love you.
>
> Over and out.
>
> Patrick Moore, currently helmetless at his keyboard in ABQ, NM.
>
> On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 3:43 AM Garth > 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Life is Living and Living is Life.  Indivisibility, Infinity .  Life 
>> cannot harm or heal Life for the simple fact that *Life Itself Living is 
>> Living Itself Life  .*   
>>
>> Life is Life's Own-Life.. 
>>
>>
>> BEING The BEING That BEING Be  BEING ITSELF* .   * The who, what, 
>> where, when, why and how  ALL BEING Being The ALL BEING ... ALL-ITSELF .
>>
>>
>>
> -- 
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> Alexandria, Virginia 
> USA
>
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 2 Gus Boots For Sale on Riv Site

[S]

That’s interesting. I would have liked to hear that conversation. I was 
initially against the idea, but after doing more research, I am no longer sure. 
I still don’t think Rivendell should go to disc on all their bikes, but would 
one disc bike hurt? Please don’t answer that question. I am not trying to 
second guess anyone. I am just curious what the actual conversation was like.

It’s complicated. I am reminded of that recent Tom Ritchey interview wherein he 
makes a long and detailed case that steel forks are the best. And yet, Ritchey 
sells no steel forks. That seems … odd? Sad? Confusing? To be clear, I don’t 
fault Tom Ritchey for that decision. Selling carbon forks is the pragmatic move 
and Ritchey Bikes seems to be doing ok financially. But, to me, it’s 
disappointing, maybe even a little troubling, that a company would feel it has 
to sell something it doesn’t really believe in. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

[Steve Palincsar]

Libquotes attributes it to Samuel Johnson, but doesn't source it beyond 
that.


On 4/1/19 1:19 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:

"He delighted to tread upon the brink of meaning."

5 gold stars to anyone who can attribute this dictum.

Garth, I love you.

Over and out.

Patrick Moore, currently helmetless at his keyboard in ABQ, NM.

On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 3:43 AM Garth > wrote:




Life is Living and Living is Life.  Indivisibility, Infinity . 
Life cannot harm or heal Life for the simple fact that *_Life
Itself Living is Living Itself Life _ .*

Life is Life's Own-Life..


BEING The BEING That BEING Be  BEING ITSELF*. * The who, what,
where, when, why and how  ALL BEING Being The ALL BEING ...
ALL-ITSELF .




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Re: [RBW] To Helmet or not

[Patrick Moore]

"Now I strive to ride within my means."

That is a very eloquent expression of a good rule to ride by, helmet or no
helmet, and so is the gloss: Mindfulness, confidence, skill, and humility
are essential to riding safely.  Thanks.

On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 1:05 PM 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Mark,
>
> I am thankful you are doing so well. I don’t know what they told you about
> watching for signs of a closed head injury that can appear up to two months
> after a concussion, but they all fall into the category of “the world just
> seem harder now.” Feel free to contact me off list if you would like, or
> explore my ministry website to others with brain injury (I will soon have a
> post up there about “I got a Concussion. Now What?” There are things I
> found helpful in healing that also may help more soon after a concussion.
>
> It is well known here I do not wear a helmet and that I have brain injury
> due to over eight concussions since I was 12. If a helmet were essential to
> riding safely, I would wear one. Since a helmet is not essential to riding
> safely and wearing one impedes my ability to ride (that much weight on my
> head combined with constant vertigo do not play well), I do not wear a
> helmet. A few points, which I believe are in addition to those already made:
>
> - Coup-contre coup: the physics of the brain and skull in a sudden stop
> that a helmet does nothing to protect against (and likely can’t).
> - A head and helmet weigh more than a head, so a helmeted head is, by the
> laws of physics, more likely to impact the ground in an accident. How much
> more? I doubt anyone knows.
> - I had 8+ concussions over 19 years, starting at age twelve. Over the
> last 16 years, I’ve had no concussions. What changed? I learned humility
> and slowed down to within my means to 1) assess the environment I am
> passing through well and then 2) safely navigate it and have avoided or
> minimized all subsequent accidents. Failure to do either or both of these
> is the cause of every accident I had. Now I strive to ride within my means.
> Doing this well can be done with or without a helmet. Riding within my
> means neither requires a bare head nor is it prevented by a helmet. An
> accident is assuredly a sign I failed in one or both, even if that failure
> was a failure to assess and account for other’s failures or unexpected but
> anticipatable conditions. So far, I’ve found that all conditions are
> anticipatable with enough mindfulness. I adoped the Navy Seal saying “Slow
> is smooth and smooth is fast.” Another version of “as fast as I can, as
> slow as I must.” Grin.
> - A helmet may prevent some of the injury in a low speed or glancing
> impact, but a helmet is entirely superflaus to riding safely. Mindfulness,
> confidence, skill, and humility are essential to riding safely.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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Re: [RBW] Re: Jan’s take on transfer of motor racing bits to bikes

[George Rosselle]

Y'all may find this useful too:


http://whatbars.com/tires/





On Monday, April 1, 2019 at 12:46:04 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> Jan has perfected a deadpan tongue-in-cheek seriousness of delivery and a 
> certain twisted April Fool logic that leads to incredibly convincing and 
> even disturbing April 1 articles.  Sometimes it's almost more frightening 
> than funny because it sounds so disturbingly real.  It never took long to 
> see that ShelBroCo products introduced on April 1 were jokes, but here you 
> really never know, not for 100% certain: there's always that nagging 
> feeling that just possibly this really is "where things are actually going."
>
> Bravo Jan, I say!
> On 4/1/19 12:17 PM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>
> Aye, I read it at 2am, and was at first puzzled by the undermining of things 
> Jan has recently introduced and his passion for quality, timelss design. The 
> fact that this is less an April Fools and more a “trajectory of where things 
> are actually going”, even more so than others of his, is concerning.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
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> USA
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

[Patrick Moore]

"He delighted to tread upon the brink of meaning."

5 gold stars to anyone who can attribute this dictum.

Garth, I love you.

Over and out.

Patrick Moore, currently helmetless at his keyboard in ABQ, NM.

On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 3:43 AM Garth  wrote:

>
>
> Life is Living and Living is Life.  Indivisibility, Infinity .  Life
> cannot harm or heal Life for the simple fact that *Life Itself Living is
> Living Itself Life  .*
>
> Life is Life's Own-Life..
>
>
> BEING The BEING That BEING Be  BEING ITSELF* .   * The who, what,
> where, when, why and how  ALL BEING Being The ALL BEING ... ALL-ITSELF .
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

[Patrick Moore]

I am pretty sure that I pay more attention to my riding when riding fixed,
and while riding sans helmet. Can't say I feel out of place, though.

Danny MacAskill is pretty amazing, but I wonder how many trial (heh heh)
runs and editing led up to that very fun video. Did he really do that hay
bale trick in one go?

On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 7:42 PM MCT  wrote:

> +1 on the helmet.  I forgot mine for a ride last week on the bike path. I
> still rode, felt out of place and paid extra attention.
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[RBW] Re: 26" Clem Smith Jr Wheelset - $90+ship

[Ed Carolipio]

Sold pending shipment. Thanks for looking.

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[RBW] Re: RBW XXV WHO’S COMING

[Adam Leibow]

registered. thanks!

On Friday, March 29, 2019 at 11:57:58 AM UTC-7, Justin, Oakland wrote:
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> RIV 25th ANNIVERSARY WHO'S COMING
> http://rbwxxv.eventbrite.com 
>
>
>
> Justin
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Re: [RBW] Re: Jan’s take on transfer of motor racing bits to bikes

[Steve Palincsar]

Jan has perfected a deadpan tongue-in-cheek seriousness of delivery and 
a certain twisted April Fool logic that leads to incredibly convincing 
and even disturbing April 1 articles.  Sometimes it's almost more 
frightening than funny because it sounds so disturbingly real.  It never 
took long to see that ShelBroCo products introduced on April 1 were 
jokes, but here you really never know, not for 100% certain: there's 
always that nagging feeling that just possibly this really is "where 
things are actually going."


Bravo Jan, I say!

On 4/1/19 12:17 PM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:

Aye, I read it at 2am, and was at first puzzled by the undermining of things 
Jan has recently introduced and his passion for quality, timelss design. The 
fact that this is less an April Fools and more a “trajectory of where things 
are actually going”, even more so than others of his, is concerning.

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Jan’s take on transfer of motor racing bits to bikes

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Aye, I read it at 2am, and was at first puzzled by the undermining of things 
Jan has recently introduced and his passion for quality, timelss design. The 
fact that this is less an April Fools and more a “trajectory of where things 
are actually going”, even more so than others of his, is concerning.

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Spring Cleaning

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Spring ... what now? Sardonic grin.

Hunqabeam likely weighs 2-3 times normal for all the frozen mud on there. So 
far, my spring cleaning has involved me laughing hystarically as I pull a sheet 
of ice the size of my seat tube off my seat tube. It was a perfect 3-D 
rendering of the nobbies, formed as the spray from the muddy roads froze on the 
tube immedietly after landing.

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[RBW] Re: RBW 25 -Atlantic side of things

[REC (Roberta)]

I'm still interested.  Perhaps the summer will be better, because the kids 
will be out of school.

Roberta, about 185 south, in Philadelphia

On Monday, April 1, 2019 at 10:55:45 AM UTC-4, jandrews wrote:

> Curious if there's been any movement on this.
> Perhaps later in the season now?
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, March 10, 2019 at 6:17:39 PM UTC-4, DeeterDeeter wrote:
>>
>> + 1 over here! Love minnewaska! I think there is a way to extend the ride 
>> into an adjacent park called Mohonk Preserve. 
>> Here is a link to a new lodge (perhaps mentioned above) in Minnewaska: 
>> https://www.minnewaskalodge.com/ 
>>
>> Thanks to the organizers! Looking forward to meeting up!
>
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[RBW] WTB: Small Saddlesack, Brooks cambium

[Keith Weaver]

Hi all,
I'm thinking I'd like to try a saddlesack for my 54 cm Riv Road. Of course,
it looks like the now discontinued small size would be the one for me. I
have about 9.5" between my saddle loops and the rear tire, so the new
BagBoy won't really work for me. Let me know if you have a Small size
saddlesack for sale.

The bike is currently running an older Sella Anatomica saddle that is at
the end of the adjuster bolt and still feels kind of saggy. I think I may
eventually get it re-covered, but in the meantime, I've been interested in
a Cambium saddle for quite a while. Does anyone have a Cambium sitting
around that they would part with?

On a related note, these parts are for the Road frame that I previously
posted about regarding my Albatross bars situation. It wasn't very
comfortable with those bars, likely due to the cramped cockpit and
relatively harsh ride of the Ruffy Tuffy tires when sitting up so straight.
This weekend I mounted a set of 46 cm Noodles that I bought from a list
member as a complete cockpit, with Tallux stem, Tektro brake levers,
Suntour bar-ends and multi-color bar tape. I rode it both days this
weekend, and I think I like this bike a lot more as a drop-bar bike. I'm
considering going for the Compass Chinook Pass EL tires once I wear out the
Tuffys, or just get tired of them. Now I just need to figure out what frame
I should get to put my Albatross cockpit on!

Cheers,
Keith

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[RBW] Re: RBW 25 -Atlantic side of things

[jandrews]

Curious if there's been any movement on this.
Perhaps later in the season now?




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> + 1 over here! Love minnewaska! I think there is a way to extend the ride 
> into an adjacent park called Mohonk Preserve. 
> Here is a link to a new lodge (perhaps mentioned above) in Minnewaska: 
> https://www.minnewaskalodge.com/ 
>
> Thanks to the organizers! Looking forward to meeting up!

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[RBW] Re: Spring Cleaning

[Brett Callahan]

Beautiful bikes. I usually drool over Hunqas, but your Sam's colors are so 
nice. 

On Sunday, March 31, 2019 at 9:15:24 PM UTC-7, stonehog wrote:
>
> Here's a few pics of some shiny Rivs.  Haven't posted here in a while.  
> Hope everyone is still riding the heck out of their bikes!
>
> https://flic.kr/s/aHskQ9pDoF
>
> Brian Hanson
> Seattle, WA
> Bike Blog 
> @stonehog
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[RBW] Re: Spring Cleaning

[RichS]

Nice to see you back Brian! Homer and Hunq are looking so good. Homer's 
fenders are so shiny they look chromed. How did you get that finish?

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Monday, April 1, 2019 at 12:15:24 AM UTC-4, stonehog wrote:
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> Here's a few pics of some shiny Rivs.  Haven't posted here in a while.  
> Hope everyone is still riding the heck out of their bikes!
>
> https://flic.kr/s/aHskQ9pDoF
>
> Brian Hanson
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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW XXV WHO’S COMING

[Justin August]

Free n easy with a donation jar to cover the cost of the campground. I know 
some folks are planning rides.

Justin
On Mar 31, 2019, 9:39 PM -0700, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA , 
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> Justin,
>
> Thanks for setting this up! Can you please remind me and confirm that it's 
> free-n-easy, correct? Meaning one can come and go within the Fri-Sun window, 
> correct? Do you have any activities planned? I'm probably going to apply the 
> S24O strategy due to other constraints.
>
> On Friday, March 29, 2019 at 11:57:58 AM UTC-7, Justin, Oakland wrote:
> > RIV 25th ANNIVERSARY WHO'S COMING
> > http://rbwxxv.eventbrite.com
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Re: [RBW] Re: Jan’s take on transfer of motor racing bits to bikes

[ted]

No doubt. 
In that think twice vein, computer controlled auto shifting wouldn’t really 
surprise me much. I believe electronic systems where you only hit up or down 
shift and it decides when to shift just the rear, or to do a front / rear 
combination are already coming to market. With gps, power meter, cadence, and 
shifting systems all talking to a single “bike computer” all ready, can 
automatic shifting be that far away?

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Racks, 26" Wheelset, 700c Wheelset, Yepp Mini Front Baby Carrier, Brooks B17 Brown Saddle

[Dave Grossman]

Hey David, I sent you a PM but not sure if it went through.  

On Sunday, March 31, 2019 at 3:19:54 PM UTC-5, David B wrote:
>
> Stuff for sale: odds & ends & a bike.
> Paypal for payment, regular goods/services is fine.
> Ships from Chicago-ish area. Local pickup HIGHLY encouraged for bike.
> Prices DO NOT include shipping, as these are mostly larger items which 
> will have varying shipping costs.
> Photos will be uploaded shortly to my Instagram page: 
> https://www.instagram.com/treetopgoods/
> Thanks!
> David
>
> 1. Nitto R14 Top Rack - Hoop Version - nice condition, including a pair of 
> longer then needs struts for top attachment, so should work on just about 
> most frames - $100
>
> 2. Nitto Campee 27F Front Rack - lower attachments shortened to fit on top 
> fork end eyelets, best fit for 26"/650b wheels, fit nicely on a 45cm Clem, 
> very short struts included for mid/upper fork attachment and another set 
> for cantilever stud attachments - $180
>
> 3. 26" Wheelset - older, possibly Riv-sanctioned wheelset due to 
> mismatched hubs, Mustang rims, rear asymmetric, 32h, rear hub: Shimano 
> Deore Parallax, 135mm, front hub: Suntour Cyclone (?) hub, rim width around 
> 22/23mm, no skewers - $75
>
> 4. 700c/29" Wheelset - 36h, Shimano RS400 hubs, Sun Rhyno Lite silver rims 
> - I built these up as a second wheelset for my Clem, but used them 
> minimally and am just sticking with one wheelset and swapping tires 
> seasonally - $100
>
> 5. Yepp Mini Front Baby Carrier - black, used for a couple kids who are 
> getting bigger and have moved on to rear mounted seats - $70
>
> 6. Brooks B17 Saddle - brown, used for 10 miles at most, looks close to 
> new aside from the rails - $80
>
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[RBW] Re: PSA: 2 Gus Boots For Sale on Riv Site

[Jonathan D.]

As a reminder Grant was open to discs but the Riv team didn’t want them on this 
bike. I really admire their commitment to their vision and mission.  It is what 
makes Riv so great. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jan’s take on transfer of motor racing bits to bikes

[Steve Palincsar]

And Jan's got that deadpan serious delivery down pat, and unlike 
ShelBroCo's offerings, his April 1 musings always have a degree of 
plausibility that makes you stop and think twice.


On 4/1/19 8:21 AM, Bill Schairer wrote:

‘As we ponder Jan's post I think it would be wise to look at a calendar and see 
what day it is.’

Haha,suckered again!  Being retired I don’t pay much attention to the calendar 
anymore.

Bill S


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[RBW] Re: Jan’s take on transfer of motor racing bits to bikes

[Bill Schairer]

‘As we ponder Jan's post I think it would be wise to look at a calendar and see 
what day it is.’

Haha,suckered again!  Being retired I don’t pay much attention to the calendar 
anymore.

Bill S

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 2 Gus Boots For Sale on Riv Site

[Christopher Cote]

This reminds me of an axiom from the Jeep world, if you'll forgive an 
automotive analogy. Every Jeep enthusiast is said to have a favorite generation 
(CJ2A, CJ7, YJ, etc), and considers anything older a hopelessly anachronistic 
piece of junk, and anything newer a horrible overreach of unnecessary 
technology.

Myself, I like disc brakes, consider indexed shifting a requirement, but I 
won't use any carbon fiber reinforced plastic (that last part is always 
ignored) parts, and I'm just starting to warm up to tubeless tires.

Chris

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[RBW] Re: Riv HHH tandem fundraiser 2.0, updated campaign!

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

Hi Everyone! I just posted an update to my personal Facebook page and shop 
pagewent something like this: We're a wee bit shy of our goal of $2k by 
4/1, do you have a few extra clams you can throw towards this most 
excellent effort? Imagine the joy and excitement this could bring to 
someone who would otherwise be prevented from such a simple pleasure (This 
tandem is being donated to a "Blind Stoker's Club" that allows visually 
impaired people to ride bikes!) Can we all share among our various social 
media platforms? We're so close!!

Alex in Rochester...

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[RBW] Re: Jan’s take on transfer of motor racing bits to bikes

[George Rosselle]

As we ponder Jan's post I think it would be wise to look at a calendar and 
see what day it is.





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>
> Bizarre!  I just can’t figure out the why to it all, bikes dont go 100 
> mph.  If one wants all that, why not just buy a motorcycle and be done with 
> it? 
>
> Bill S

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[RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

[Bill Schairer]

Reminds me of the time I complained to our local police officer about the 
“adults” in our neighborhood running stop signs in their cars.  His comeback 
was that my kids (under the age of 10) should be more careful.

Bill S

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[RBW] Jan’s take on transfer of motor racing bits to bikes

[Bill Schairer]

Bizarre!  I just can’t figure out the why to it all, bikes dont go 100 mph.  If 
one wants all that, why not just buy a motorcycle and be done with it?

Bill S

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 2 Gus Boots For Sale on Riv Site

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I doubt it's a black and white issue for Rivendell. From what I have read, 
I think Grant sees bikes continually developing toward the e-bike model, 
with more and more of the technology becoming "black box." You might argue 
that disc brakes, in and of themselves, are not that. But taken with other 
developments and trends, it's hard to deny that bicycles are developing 
into something "less simple" than what many of us grew up riding and 
wrenching.

Our culture is set up to believe in eternal progress, from the caves to the 
stars (with a side trip to Mars, courtesy of E. Musk.) But there is 
evidence aplenty that in fact this is not the way things actually work. In 
the 1970s, Ivan Illich, in Tools for Conviviality, writes about watershed 
moments--those points in time where a tool (and here he referred not only 
to tools in the sense of a hammer or a bicycle, but also societal tools 
like the education, transportation, and medical systems) reaches a kind of 
sweet spot. After that, it starts to accrue complexity for the sake of 
keeping itself going, essentially. Applying this theory to the marketplace, 
since our economy is based on eternal growth, the products within must 
constantly "improve" so we can keep moving toward the stars (and service 
our debt--till we can't).

Now some will say that discs are an improvement, and they work, and are not 
overly complex, what's the big deal. Well, if you've thought about where 
bikes have been and where you see them headed and you care about that and 
you have a company and you have a few principles, maybe you are thinking 
that discs are a not so tiny step toward taking the bicycle into something 
that, in some ways, is no longer a bicycle. And so, perhaps after talking 
with family and friends, you decide, even though it might hurt sales, even 
though it might contribute to an earlier demise to your company, to not 
offer this feature on your bicycles.

I could be totally wrong and not even on the bases, but I think it's not as 
black and white as hey, rim brakes have always worked fine, let's stick 
with 'em, just because we're Rivendell and that's what we do. I think might 
be part of a bigger picture view, and where the company wants to fit into 
that. It could be a watershed line they just don't want to cross, for any 
reason.

Or I could have inhaled a bit too much Boeshield this weekend.

On Saturday, March 30, 2019 at 1:23:43 AM UTC-4, Drw wrote:
>
> We’ve had 4(?) straight up calls for cash in the last year. I’ve 
> contributed to all. Bought a frame for one. I’d be concerned about anyone 
> saying they aren’t concerned. 
>
> I truly believe discs would engage a whole new population. I also don’t 
> think in bicycle black 
> And white terms. If a disc brake is all it takes to get people to come 
> over. Who cares? Even the ibob group and Jan have been able to see this 
> issue with nuance for years now.  Not seeing it with nuance and denying its 
> ramifications financially does seem, to me, like a desperate stand. 
>
> Seeing the idea of having options and differentiation as an ok thing is 
> not the side that’s taking the stand. 
>
> I’ll also stop now though. 

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[RBW] Jan’s take on transfer of motor racing bits to bikes

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Given our discussion about disc brakes and Grant’s stalwart stand, this is 
timely (indeed, check your calendar and your clock). Jan predicts anti-lock 
brakes, anti-wheelie, and computer assisted auto shift. Rim brakes? Spokes? 
Anachronism.
https://janheine.wordpress.com/2019/04/01/technology-transfer-from-motorbikes-and-cars/
 

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Spring Cleaning

[Ed Carolipio]

Thanks for posting. So, so purty.

--Ed C.

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[RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

[Max S]

and...

https://www.outsideonline.com/2391240/guilty-until-proven-helmeted


On Saturday, March 30, 2019 at 5:37:00 AM UTC+3, Mark Schneider wrote:
>
> Good evening,
>
> A recent experience has made me curious on everyones opinion of wearing 
> helmets. To some, it seems against the standard Rivendell ethos to wear a 
> helmet. In this case as in others (clipless pedals)I stray from the 
> standard Rivendell line. I believe in them, I won't get on my bike without 
> one for any meaningful ride. Last night, I had an experience that made me 
> damn glad that I do. I was riding eastbound on Pescadero Road right at rush 
> hour, Butano Creek has been flooding the road for some time now so when 
> traffic coming from both directions approaches the flooded area both sides 
> form a cue. I was riding faster than I normally do as it had just started 
> to pour and I was headed home, as I followed a car across the flooded 
> section because of the small wake, I couldn't see the fog line which I try 
> to stay to the left of, also I was watching the cars much closer than I was 
> where my front tire was going.Well as you probably guessed I crashed hard 
> when my from tire hit the lip of a pothole at an angle that thru me 
> sideways off the bike. My helmeted head hit the pavement hard, and while I 
> didn't loose consciousness I wasn't able to stand on my own or get up for a 
> minute or two despite laying in 4-5 inches of cold water. There's no 
> question that I'd have been injured far worse than I was had I not had a 
> helmet on. I ended up in a ambulance and was taken to the ER. Today, I'm a 
> bit foggy, and my neck is killing me. I was concussed and have a whiplash, 
> the doctor told me I was lucky I had a helmet on, I did not go over the 
> handlebars but fell sideways and hit the side of my head. 
> I guess my point is I think this accident could happen to anyone, I've 
> been riding bikes since the early 1960's and I haven't crashed this hard in 
> decades. I did make some errors,  like not waiting for the traffic to pass, 
> but I've crossed this spot many times this winter as well as turning around 
> when there's too much water. I'm usually cautious as injuries heal slowly 
> at my age.
> So my question is, helmet or no helmet, and if no helmet why?
>
> Thanks
> Mark
> Pescadero Basin
>

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[RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

[Max S]

https://www.outsideonline.com/2392750/safety-numbers-vs-safety-numbers

On Saturday, March 30, 2019 at 5:37:00 AM UTC+3, Mark Schneider wrote:
>
> Good evening,
>
> A recent experience has made me curious on everyones opinion of wearing 
> helmets. To some, it seems against the standard Rivendell ethos to wear a 
> helmet. In this case as in others (clipless pedals)I stray from the 
> standard Rivendell line. I believe in them, I won't get on my bike without 
> one for any meaningful ride. Last night, I had an experience that made me 
> damn glad that I do. I was riding eastbound on Pescadero Road right at rush 
> hour, Butano Creek has been flooding the road for some time now so when 
> traffic coming from both directions approaches the flooded area both sides 
> form a cue. I was riding faster than I normally do as it had just started 
> to pour and I was headed home, as I followed a car across the flooded 
> section because of the small wake, I couldn't see the fog line which I try 
> to stay to the left of, also I was watching the cars much closer than I was 
> where my front tire was going.Well as you probably guessed I crashed hard 
> when my from tire hit the lip of a pothole at an angle that thru me 
> sideways off the bike. My helmeted head hit the pavement hard, and while I 
> didn't loose consciousness I wasn't able to stand on my own or get up for a 
> minute or two despite laying in 4-5 inches of cold water. There's no 
> question that I'd have been injured far worse than I was had I not had a 
> helmet on. I ended up in a ambulance and was taken to the ER. Today, I'm a 
> bit foggy, and my neck is killing me. I was concussed and have a whiplash, 
> the doctor told me I was lucky I had a helmet on, I did not go over the 
> handlebars but fell sideways and hit the side of my head. 
> I guess my point is I think this accident could happen to anyone, I've 
> been riding bikes since the early 1960's and I haven't crashed this hard in 
> decades. I did make some errors,  like not waiting for the traffic to pass, 
> but I've crossed this spot many times this winter as well as turning around 
> when there's too much water. I'm usually cautious as injuries heal slowly 
> at my age.
> So my question is, helmet or no helmet, and if no helmet why?
>
> Thanks
> Mark
> Pescadero Basin
>

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