Re: [RBW] Re: 30 Days of Biking!

[Joe Bernard]

Technically that's an Apple Watch line 😁

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[RBW] Re: Swapping Clem H to Atlantis

[Bill Lindsay]

My Atlantis is definitely a HilliBike.  Why?  Because I spent a dollar for 
a Hillibike sticker at Rivendell Bicycle Works and applied it to my 
Atlantis.  

It's a dynamite country bike as well.  I run 27.5" x 2.0" tires on mine and 
I have not had any problem with pedal strike.  The only time I've had a 
pedal strike was on a curb, riding too close to the curb.  It is a longish 
bike.  The only stairwell I negotiate with a bike is my dentist's office 
and it's a pain getting up the stairs with it.  I keep it in the garage on 
a hook, where the length actually makes it easier.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 9:45:26 AM UTC-7, Collin A wrote:
>
> Hey Folks,
>
> I've enjoyed my Clem over the past 2 years, but have always had a nagging 
> desire for an Atlantis or Apaloosa, partly for the differing ride 
> characteristics, but also cause lugs and that creamy blue-green :). I 
> finally realized that one of the updates in the 2020 Atlantis was a switch 
> of tire size from 26" to 650b in the 50cm size. Combined with my missing 
> the latest round of Apaloosas (0 for 2!) Inow see an openning to doing a 
> parts switch from my current 52 Clem H to a 50 cm Atlantis and wanted to 
> pull from the collective experience of the group. I have a few questions 
> for folks:
>
>1. Is the Atlantis more of a hillibike or a country bike? I imagine 
>Hilibike thanks to the now 2.4" tire clearance and how most folks have set 
>theirs up.
>   - Bill's Atlantis and another more recent build post come to mind 
>2. For folks who've run a 2" tire on the atlantis, have you noticed 
>any weird pedal strike or standover issues since the bike is designed for 
>larger tires
>3. What are some of the more unique aspects of the Atlantis that you 
>enjoy or despise?
>4. Seatpost size on the 50cm model? Assuming 26.8 but I can't find any 
>documentation
>5. Is the Atlantis easy to maneuver around the train, apartment, 
>stairwell, etc. or is it still a big bike?
>
> Any other thoughts/differences? I am curious to hear the groups overall 
> impressions of the Atlantis, especially for those who have switched between 
> a few of the Rivendell models.
>
> I'm planning to still keep the Atlantis on the hillibike side of the 
> spectrum and hopefully use it to explore the sierra foothills this summer 
> (or next, if California stays on the current trajectory)
>
> Thanks all,
> Collin in Sacramento
>

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[RBW] Re: Why I went Tubeless

[masmojo]

FWIW, I've converted 6 wheels to tubeless in the last 6 weeks. Jumped out on my 
most recent set up the other day hauling ass when, near as I can tell a large 
lug nut that was wedged up against a traffic dot, flatted my back tire. 
I struck it so hard that it lifted the rear of my bike 2 or 3 inches off the 
ground & broke the traffic dot free from the cement, which in turn went 
skittering across the road.
I immediately knew there was no way it was going to seal on it's own luckily I 
was only 2 miles from the house.
I plugged the entry hole only to discover there was A PINCH FLAT! It seems that 
even with 50 PSI, the tire compressed enough to pinch the sidewall between the 
rim & the debris!!! I thought "just my luck; only I would get an unfixable flat 
in a brand new tire only days after setting it up" 🙄 
So one new tire later I am back on the road!

https://photos.app.goo.gl/XdDj673t8isHNzRe9

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Re: [RBW] Lighten Up: Clem Edition

[masmojo]

Everything new isn't better (like PF30 BBs), but plenty of old things, even 
good old things are not as good as some of the newer things. 
The things that work will stick around and the things that can be improved on 
will fade away. 
Yes, rim brakes can be just as effective, (sometimes more so) than disc brakes, 
but I favor disc.
I fitted some Pauls Mini Moto's to my Atlantis & honestly they grip so hard I 
am afraid to ride the thing lest I land on my head! 

Grant does come around to things it just takes time. Hilly bikes are not 
something he would have done 25 years ago, but here we are! Unfortunately, 
sometimes destiny forces his hand, like when Rivendells lug maker decided to 
shut down.
I do think it's highly unlikely he'll embrace thru axles & disc brakes in my 
lifetime though.

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[RBW] Analog Cycles: Free Tubeless Clinic on Instagram Live

[Melanie]

Leah - Yes, the new wheels for the Appaloosa have been ordered. Even before 
James’s wonderful presentation. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: He Ain't Heavy, He's My Clem Smith L('il Missy)

[Mark Roland]

I may start calling mine Clemel. Say it fast, rhymes with dremel. Or no, *E*l 
Clem! *Si!*

A fuller report to come, though as I say  above, my first impression is 
just more good. But two things. Except for a brief couple short 
neighborhood rides on an orange Clementine, it's been a few years since 
I've ridden the original geometry. And the other thing, I am likely not as 
discerning as you.

And I think perhaps the particular changes that occurred might have less 
impact on my body type, and my brain type. If a bike is a reasonable fit, I 
adapt the software. That said, I do note ride qualities, basic handling 
attributes, etc.It would have been neat to have them both at the same time 
to do a true head to head comparison, that's for sure.

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 10:26:49 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> Please keep us updated on your thoughts and experiences with your new Clem 
> L. Man, can we still call them Clementines? 
>
> When I first saw that bike I had the opposite reaction - I thought it was 
> so romantic. It was all sensuous and swoopy and it CALLED to me. But I had 
> a Betty at the time, and it was inconceivable that I would ALSO have a 
> Clementine. But my mother in law jumped at the chance to have a pretty 
> Clementine of her own, and she rode it for a few summers before her health 
> took her away from riding. Then it came to me, and imagine how sad I was 
> when I began to favor it over the good old Betz. But there’s no two ways 
> about it; Clementines have fairy dust in their DNA and have been known to 
> upstage a “fancy” Rivendell and relegate it to the corner of the garage. 
> The Betz is now sold, but I’ll get a Cheviot to replace it, and hopefully 
> the longer chainstays and ability to take fatter tires will make it 
> resemble what I have come to love in the Clem.
>
> Now, since we both had OG Clementines, you will have to tell us if you 
> noticed differences between this new Lil Missy and the old one. I found 
> them to be VERY different. I had both in my possession for a couple months 
> and the differences were obvious. 
>
> One last thing, I’m changing parts on my Clem and fancying it up a bit; my 
> sister got a 2019 Clem L (happy 10th anniversary to her from her husband) 
> in chameleon green like yours. Hers is completely stock, stem and all. I 
> will drive to Minnesota with mine in tow this summer and we will be able to 
> compare both our Clems and see how different I’ve really made mine from 
> hers. Or not.
>
> I’d love to read all your many thoughts on all things Clementine, as you 
> get acquainted.
>
> Leah
> Henderson,NV 
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 15, 2020, at 6:23 PM, Mark Roland  > wrote:
>
> 
> Thanks guys.
>
> Bob, yes,. convivial indeed, as Ivan would say. Hope we can have some East 
> Coast convivial again this summer or fall!
>
> Jason, when the Clementine was first unveiled, I thought, gadzooks, that 
> is the ugliest bike I've ever seen. Somehow not a minute later I decided it 
> was beautiful and I would buy one. I guess I had a conversion moment.
>
> Tim, this is not my first time at the Clem Rodeo. It's like an old friend 
> that you call up after a few years and pick up where you left off!
>
> On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 2:12:00 PM UTC-4, Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:
>>
>> Mark,
>>
>> That Raleigh Bronze-Green-like color is gorgeous! I love all the retro 
>> touches on the build; your Clem just oozes conviviality!  : )
>>
>> Bob E
>> Cranford, NJ
>>
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[RBW] FS: Garage Cleanout, Tires, Random Parts

[David B]

Getting into next level garage clearout where I'm clearing out pretty much 
everything that's not installed on a bike.
I've set up these parts for sale in my webshop.
There's photos and brief descriptions in the webshop listings.
Shipping is not included, but is calculated based on size/shape and my best 
guess. If I can ship it for less, I'll refund the difference, but in most 
cases I'm covering part of shipping.
Please go through the webshop to purchase - checkout process uses Paypal 
for shipping - and I can easily track purchases and print shipping labels.
Contact offlist if you have a particular question about an item.

Link to everything is: https://treetop.bigcartel.com/category/bike-parts

Geax Mezcal Tires - 26 x 2.3" - pair - $15

Vee Rubber V12 Tires - 29 x 1.95" - pair - $25

Continental Contact Speed - 650b, 50mm - pair - wire bead - $40

Kenda Tires - 20 x 1.95 - pair - wire bead - $12

Soma Grand Randonneur Tires - 650b - 42mm - pair - $20

WTB Byway Tires - 650b, 47mm - pair - $25

Maxxis Ardent Tires - 29 x 2.4" - skinwall - pair - $50

Clement XC LXV - 29 x 2.1" - pair - $30

Nitto Zao Decaleur - $65

Campagnolo Victory/Triomphe Downtube Shifters - nos - $20

SunRace Left Thumb Shifter - ratchety friction - $20

Wake Threadless Stem - black - 60mm - 25.4mm - $6

Velo Orange Threadless Stem - silver - 10cm, 26.0 - $15

Velo Orange Grand Cru Maes Parallel Drop Bar - silver - 26.0, 46cm - $30

Black V-Brake Set, Brakes and Levers - $15

Tektro Drop Bar Brake Levers for V-Brakes - black - $10

Kally Uno Riser Quill Stem - silver - 10cm, 25.4 - $7

Nitto B132 Randonneur Drop Bars - 2 available, 25.4mm, 44cm - $10 or $20

Origin8 Classique Drop Bar Levers w/ Shimano cables/housing - new - $30

Shimano T3000 Rear Hub - 32h - $10

Chainring Lot - stack of random chainrings, 74, 110, and 130 rings - $10

Shimano Polished Silver Cranks - triple 130/74 - $30

DT Revolution Spokes - 14/17/14 - 294mm - 32 count w/ nipples - new - $20

Willow Chainrings - $8-$12

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Re: [RBW] Re: He Ain't Heavy, He's My Clem Smith L('il Missy)

[Leah Peterson]

I honestly can’t tell you what it is. I was always hoping Lovely Bicycle would 
tell us - did you ever read her intro to the black and cream Clementine she got 
Rivendell to send her? She had a Betty Foy and didn’t like it. She had a 
Hillborne, too, that I think she liked better. But the Clementine? It was 
magic. She tried and failed to get the words to describe that bike, but she 
promised she would deliver them after further review of the bicycle. But then 
her personal life took her away from blogging and we never did get the full 
review. I *did* see in her new blog that she wrote in the comments that she 
rode the Clementine exclusively for all 9 months of her pregnancy. I’m sure she 
had quite lovely bicycles to choose from, but she chose the Clementine. 

I know you’re tempted by the traditional Rivs, but don’t be. The Clem has fairy 
dust in the frame! 

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 15, 2020, at 7:35 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
> 
> 
> Leah, I've thought back to that sentiment that you've stated, about how 
> Clems, despite being the most pedestrian of Rivs, manage to out-do their 
> bejazzled counterparts quite a few times. I thought about it when reading 
> that SF Craigslist ad of the 50cm Atlantis, and how it's for sale because the 
> owner rides their Clem all the time instead. And I definitely think about it 
> when I look at the "sale" Atlantis on the Riv website that happens to be my 
> size. 
> 
> I do think you're right, but I don't really understand why. Maybe because it 
> has all the DNA of a Rivendell but it has no ego; it just wants to be useful 
> above all else.  
> 
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[RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[j.schwartz]

Hudson Valley, about two hour north of the city
Been up here for about 3 years after many years in Brooklyn 

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Re: [RBW] Re: He Ain't Heavy, He's My Clem Smith L('il Missy)

[Jason Fuller]

Leah, I've thought back to that sentiment that you've stated, about how 
Clems, despite being the most pedestrian of Rivs, manage to out-do their 
bejazzled counterparts quite a few times. I thought about it when reading 
that SF Craigslist ad of the 50cm Atlantis, and how it's for sale because 
the owner rides their Clem all the time instead. And I definitely think 
about it when I look at the "sale" Atlantis on the Riv website that happens 
to be my size. 

I do think you're right, but I don't really understand why. Maybe because 
it has all the DNA of a Rivendell but it has no ego; it just wants to be 
useful above all else.  

 

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Re: [RBW] Lighten Up: Clem Edition

[Mark Roland]

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 James / Analog Cycles wrote:  *"I think if 
Rivendell was being created now, rather than in 1994, Grant would have a 
very different view on tubeless, disc brakes, rim profiles etc."*

I disagree. Just because someone is a certain age doesn't mean all of their 
likes and proclivities are defined simply by what was or was not available 
when they were thirty. I'm a handful of years younger than Grant, and I 
know lots of riders older than either he or I who embrace discs, tubeless, 
what have you. Choosing not to use these technologies is not so much about 
nostalgia or being retro or grumpy retro or this works so why "improve" 
it.  It's  more about the relationship of us humans  to the technologies we 
use, and what a given technology does to the experience, as well as to us, 
our culture, and the physical spaces we create in the world. My reasoning 
doesn't always completely overlap with Grant's, but we often reach the same 
conclusion. A twenty-year old could also hold these values and views of the 
world.(True, they would have to be wise for their years...)

James writes: *"... rims, spokes, even hubs are so much better today than 
they were 10 years ago.  Old rim profiles were flexy, old hubs were clunky 
and had slow engagement."*   

No doubt you are right! Please send me all your clunky old 8-10 speed Dura 
Ace and XTR hub sets. I'll spend my lonely nights lacing them  to noodly 
old Open Pros or CR-18s, or some NOS 26" Weinmanns or Mavis or Arayas. Now 
that I'm old I guess it won't bother me so much to wait for them to slowly 
engage...
 

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Re: [RBW] Re: He Ain't Heavy, He's My Clem Smith L('il Missy)

[Leah Peterson]

Please keep us updated on your thoughts and experiences with your new Clem L. 
Man, can we still call them Clementines? 

When I first saw that bike I had the opposite reaction - I thought it was so 
romantic. It was all sensuous and swoopy and it CALLED to me. But I had a Betty 
at the time, and it was inconceivable that I would ALSO have a Clementine. But 
my mother in law jumped at the chance to have a pretty Clementine of her own, 
and she rode it for a few summers before her health took her away from riding. 
Then it came to me, and imagine how sad I was when I began to favor it over the 
good old Betz. But there’s no two ways about it; Clementines have fairy dust in 
their DNA and have been known to upstage a “fancy” Rivendell and relegate it to 
the corner of the garage. The Betz is now sold, but I’ll get a Cheviot to 
replace it, and hopefully the longer chainstays and ability to take fatter 
tires will make it resemble what I have come to love in the Clem.

Now, since we both had OG Clementines, you will have to tell us if you noticed 
differences between this new Lil Missy and the old one. I found them to be VERY 
different. I had both in my possession for a couple months and the differences 
were obvious. 

One last thing, I’m changing parts on my Clem and fancying it up a bit; my 
sister got a 2019 Clem L (happy 10th anniversary to her from her husband) in 
chameleon green like yours. Hers is completely stock, stem and all. I will 
drive to Minnesota with mine in tow this summer and we will be able to compare 
both our Clems and see how different I’ve really made mine from hers. Or not.

I’d love to read all your many thoughts on all things Clementine, as you get 
acquainted.

Leah
Henderson,NV 
Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 15, 2020, at 6:23 PM, Mark Roland  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks guys.
> 
> Bob, yes,. convivial indeed, as Ivan would say. Hope we can have some East 
> Coast convivial again this summer or fall!
> 
> Jason, when the Clementine was first unveiled, I thought, gadzooks, that is 
> the ugliest bike I've ever seen. Somehow not a minute later I decided it was 
> beautiful and I would buy one. I guess I had a conversion moment.
> 
> Tim, this is not my first time at the Clem Rodeo. It's like an old friend 
> that you call up after a few years and pick up where you left off!
> 
>> On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 2:12:00 PM UTC-4, Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:
>> Mark,
>> 
>> That Raleigh Bronze-Green-like color is gorgeous! I love all the retro 
>> touches on the build; your Clem just oozes conviviality!  : )
>> 
>> Bob E
>> Cranford, NJ
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[RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[lambbo]

J. Schwartz, where is that? I thought you were in NYC?

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 9:05:11 AM UTC-4, j.schwartz wrote:
>
> Path, Joe, Trees, Stream, Solar Farm, Mountain 
> (warm and muddy trail ride yesterday)
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[RBW] Re: He Ain't Heavy, He's My Clem Smith L('il Missy)

[Mark Roland]

Thanks guys.

Bob, yes,. convivial indeed, as Ivan would say. Hope we can have some East 
Coast convivial again this summer or fall!

Jason, when the Clementine was first unveiled, I thought, gadzooks, that is 
the ugliest bike I've ever seen. Somehow not a minute later I decided it 
was beautiful and I would buy one. I guess I had a conversion moment.

Tim, this is not my first time at the Clem Rodeo. It's like an old friend 
that you call up after a few years and pick up where you left off!

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 2:12:00 PM UTC-4, Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> That Raleigh Bronze-Green-like color is gorgeous! I love all the retro 
> touches on the build; your Clem just oozes conviviality!  : )
>
> Bob E
> Cranford, NJ
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[RBW] Re: Pedal Strikes when Turning

[Scott Calhoun]

Plus one regarding wide platform pedals being a contributing factor. I 
rarely have had pedal strike except when using the VP platforms that Riv 
sold. If you want to pedal a Riv through corners, you'll probably want a 
Roadeo, Ram, or Roadini with the biggest tires you can get and clipless or 
other lower profile pedals. On my Ram, I used to pedal through corners all 
the time without issue. That said, I wasn't leaning into corners anywhere 
near as aggressively as I used to in a Crit. 

Scott Calhoun

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 12:15:10 PM UTC-7, James / Analog Cycles 
wrote:
>
> Crit bikes have high BB's because you need to pedal thru turns.  Riv style 
> frames are not made for that.  You just don't pedal in turns.  Wide 
> platform pedals don't help either.  
>
> -James / Analog Cycles / Fan of high bottom brackets and short cranks.
>
> On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 12:18:02 PM UTC-4, John Hawrylak wrote:
>>
>> Past and current Rivendell models with 700C wheels have Bottom Bracket 
>> Drops (BBD) in the 75 to 80 mm range.  The exceptions seem to be: 
>> GusBothWilson at 70mm, Legalos at 70mm, and Quickbeam at 73mm.
>>
>> Is it common to have pedal strikes while turning??  Perhaps, you avoid 
>> pedaling when turning or cornering or hold the cranks near 3 and 9 o'clock.
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
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Re: Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Roberta]

Lovely!

Is that Heinz?  I love going there for walks.  

If not, please let me know.  I'm looking for more routes to ride.

Roberta

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>
> It was too late in the day for coffee outside yesterday, so I made tea 
> outside at the local wildlife refuge (the first urban refuge in the US!).
>
> Erik, Philly
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[RBW] Re: Why I went Tubeless

[Roberta]

I'm not worried about any of the setup because Analog Cycle is doing that 
for me.  :)  

Also, on my Joe Appaloosa, I think I had one flat in three years.  Perhaps 
two.

The reason I'm trying tubeless is for an improved ride.  Between switching 
from heavy stock Kendas that came on my bike moving to Gravel King 48 
slicks, AND going tubeless, I'm expecting a better ride quality.  But, I 
wouldn't have gone tubeless if it meant more flats.

Roberta

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 8:49:23 AM UTC-4, Tim Bantham wrote:
>
> There's been some discussion on the board lately about the pros and cons 
> of tubeless tires. I am a tubeless believer but I wasn't always that way. I 
> wanted to share my experiences as a way of adding some perspective to those 
> considering giving it a go. Analog cycles is doing an Instagram live on 
> tubeless tonight at 5:00 PM ET. You should watch it if you are remotely 
> interested. Much of my current tubeless knowledge was gained by talking 
> with James and Candice. Before I met the good folks at Analog I had quite a 
> bit of experience with tubeless setups. Some good and some not so good. 
>
> The first thing I'll make clear is that you can continue to run tubes in 
> your tires and be perfectly happy for the remainder of your biking life. 
> Nothing wrong with that. Tubeless is not going to rock your world. However, 
> there are many benefits to setting your tires up tubeless. I'd like to 
> share those with you based on my own experiences. 
>
> You can run low pressure without fear of getting a pinch flat. If you are 
> a Riv fan you already know the benefit of soft tires. Subtle ride quality 
> with lots of cush to absorb the bumps. To me this is worth it alone but 
> there are other benefits. 
>
> Much easier to fix a flat tire. True confession I rarely get a flat tire 
> with tubeless. If you get a small puncture sometimes just riding the tire 
> allows sealant to get into the hole and seal the tire. If it doesn't seal 
> you have to plug the hole. Let's say you run over a nail. You can fix the 
> flat without removing the wheel. Murphy's law is that 75% of your flats 
> will be on the rear tire.With a tube you have to take the rear wheel off in 
> the field. No big deal right? I know... I've done it tons of times. That 
> said, if I can avoid doing so why wouldn't I? With tubeless you can plug 
> the hole without removing the wheel from the bike. That to me that is a 
> significant benefit. Of course there remains the possibility that you can 
> get a gash in the sidewall. That happens but if you are prepared with 
> gorilla tape and gorilla glue you can fix that without removing the wheel 
> from the bike as well. 
>
> Final tips: 
>
>- Get the Dynapill made by Dynaplug for your tubeless repairs. 
>- Still carry a tube with you. A tube could always be installed as a 
>last resort but it should be rare. 
>- Invest in a good air compressor. An air compressor is handy! The 
>pumps that are sold claiming to seat tubeless tires don't work as claimed. 
>I know because I own one. 
>- Don't try to seat tubeless with a regular bicycle pump. Doesn't work 
>and not worth the frustration. See above. 
>- Use Orange Seal Endurance Sealant. Best sealant on the market. Blows 
>away anything else I've ever tried. 
>- The tubeless tape that Analog sells is fantastic! Easy to work with, 
>has the right amount of stretch. 
>- Don't try to set up any old rim/tire combo tubeless. Look for rims 
>that are advertised as tubeless. I have Velocity Cliffhangers and Quills 
> on 
>my bikes. Both set up easily.  
>- Buy a tubeless ready tire. 
>- Don't worry about sealant randomly oozing out of your tire. Doesn't 
>happen if you set everything up correctly.
>- Use a regular bicycle pump to maintain air in your tires after 
>successful set up. 
>- Refill with fresh sealant every six months.
>- Buy the Park Tools valve core remover to make adding fresh sealant 
>easier. 
>
> Hit me up with any questions. Do watch the tubeless set up live show 
> tonight on Instagram and go to Analogs website for tubeless set up tips. 
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: He Ain't Heavy, He's My Clem Smith L('il Missy)

[Lyman Labry]

Beautiful.

On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 6:54 PM Tim Bantham  wrote:

> Very nice Clem build Mark! I love my Clem. I hope you enjoy yours as well.
>
> Tim
>
> On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 10:36:17 PM UTC-4, Mark Roland wrote:
>>
>> After much procrastination, my Clem L had a proper shakedown spin today.
>> No Easter parade I'm afraid, but we made do. I'll keep it clear of
>> luggage--back o bike bags and a front bag--for a day or two of tweaking.
>> But it's still a bit on the light side, so I'm looking forward to throwing
>> that extra weight on there to settle it down a bit!;^) *More photos here*:
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/qc6rMfoke1P8X9Dj7
>>
>> [image: IMG_20200412_095005021.jpg]
>>
>> [image: IMG_20200412_125139417.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: 30 Days of Biking!

[R Shannon]

Ditto Patrick. My experience as well.
Ringing my Crane hammer strike bell but they ain’t moving!

Best,
Rich in ATL

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> On Apr 15, 2020, at 6:36 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> 
> My own experience is that unless your bell is very loud -- the very large 
> brass striker bells that Riv sells or used to sell -- and rung early and rung 
> often, a surprising number of recreation path pedestrians either won't hear 
> or won't register what they hear. I have switched to Spurcycle bells; these 
> aren't as loud, though they are more piercing, and I very often have to 
> augment the bell with a "Cyclist behind you!!" yelled in a courteous, 
> comforting manner, of course. Heck, I've had oncoming pedestrians walk toward 
> me on my side of the road (right side in the US) and not see me approaching 
> until I am 25 yards away, and yell, "Heads UP!" or slam on the brakes and 
> skid the rear tire. So it's less the volume than the type of sound; many 
> recreational walkers and cyclists seem to take for granted that they can 
> wholly tune out when they are off urban thoroughfares and out of their cars. 
> 
>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 3:57 PM masmojo  wrote:
>> Yes, I find that bells are more effective and "friendly" than yelling. The 
>> thing I notice about bell's is even if you ring it a wayz before you get to 
>> people they may not register hearing it, but then suddenly it gets through 
>> to their subconscious or something & the move out of the way.
>> 
>> Too many people with headphones or airpods these days & they can be so small 
>> that you can't tell if the have them or not, so I just assume they do to be 
>> safe.
>> 
>> Rode to the post office 
>> 
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/XdDj673t8isHNzRe9
>> 
>> Titanium Crust Evasion.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Cherry Blossoms Season!

[David Johnston]

A large section of Skyline Drive in Virginia is closed to motorists,
but open to cyclists and walkers. No restrooms or picnic areas are
open though, so you have to be self sufficient in those regards.

On 4/15/20, tuolumnebikes  wrote:
> Mariposa and Tuolumne Counties requested NPS to shut down the park. Per
> NPS news release: As of 3:00 pm today, Friday, March 20, 2020,
> *Yosemite* National Park is *closed* to all park visitors until further
> notice. This *closure* will be enforced 24-hours a day/7-days a week and
> there will be no access permitted to *Yosemite* National Park.
>
> So even the high country is closed. The concern is that the two counties
> have so little health care capacity to deal with people attracted to
> recreation. The Forest Service has also closed their roads to the
> primary recreation areas. It's looking like the bikes only days when
> Glacier Point Road and Tioga Pass open probably won't happen.
>
> On 4/15/2020 7:58 AM, franklyn wrote:
>> Carl,
>>
>> Those are very nice, thanks. I am presuming that you are near Yosemite
>> National Park. I know that the park is closed, similar to many parks
>> around the state. However, many state and county parks near me in the
>> Bay Area are still open to non-motorized access by people on bikes and
>> on foot. Do you know if that is the same situation for Yosemite?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Franklyn
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 7:49:05 AM UTC-7, tuolumne bikes wrote:
>>
>> The Mariposa lilies are starting now. They're very simple--one
>> leaf, one flower growing on exposed hillsides. They are the kind
>> of flower that you have to watch for. The dogwood flowers are
>> coming soon.
>>
>> My basic 13 mile out the door loop ascends a big hill (Big Hill),
>> wraps around the north side of the ridge on gravel and descends on
>> the south face on pavement. The north side has lush drainages with
>> dogwoods and big leaf maple--all just starting to leaf out. The
>> light is awesome now while the trees are still letting the sun
>> through.
>>
>> Carl, Columbia, CA
>>
>> On April 15, 2020 4:39:01 AM PDT, Takashi > > wrote:
>>
>> Jason,
>> You have gorgeous trees near you. Must be fun to ride around
>> in town in this season.
>> I can imagine drivers complaining about fallen blossoms
>> sticking all over their cars!
>>
>> Franklyn,
>> I can't tell if they're cherries either, but it must be a joy
>> to admire them while riding. Beautiful.
>>
>> Tirebiter, Steven, and Roberta,
>> Glad to know that you are enjoying this thread.
>> Cherry blossoms are already falling here, but then peach
>> blossoms are in full bloom.
>> I think I can take pictures of them next weekend.
>>
>>
>> Takashi
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Re: [RBW] WTB: 66 or 68cm Quickbeam frame set

[Curtis McKenzie]

Hello Birdman,

Please tell Bob hello from #16.

Curtis
El Cajon, CA

On Wed, Apr 15, 2020, 4:46 PM Birdman  wrote:

> Thanks Kurt and Julian, I’m meeting with Bob on Friday.
> Best,
> Isaac
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[RBW] Re: He Ain't Heavy, He's My Clem Smith L('il Missy)

[Tim Bantham]

Very nice Clem build Mark! I love my Clem. I hope you enjoy yours as well. 

Tim

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>
> After much procrastination, my Clem L had a proper shakedown spin today. 
> No Easter parade I'm afraid, but we made do. I'll keep it clear of 
> luggage--back o bike bags and a front bag--for a day or two of tweaking. 
> But it's still a bit on the light side, so I'm looking forward to throwing 
> that extra weight on there to settle it down a bit!;^) *More photos here*: 
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/qc6rMfoke1P8X9Dj7
>
> [image: IMG_20200412_095005021.jpg]
>
> [image: IMG_20200412_125139417.jpg]
>
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[RBW] Re: Analog Cycles: Free Tubeless Clinic on Instagram Live

[Tim Bantham]

Well done on the IG live James and Candice. I only was able to check in a 
couple of times but I watched the story.  I had a good excuse though. I was 
out riding my Clem in the woods! It was so cool to connect with some fellow 
Riv folks. We should do a Zoom meeting! 

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 7:08:03 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> That was very informative and cool. I think I'm going to give tubeless 
> another whirl, too, and declare myself an honorary #Rivsister-dude! 😜

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Re: [RBW] WTB: 66 or 68cm Quickbeam frame set

[Birdman]

Thanks Kurt and Julian, I’m meeting with Bob on Friday.
Best,
Isaac

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[RBW] Analog Cycles: Free Tubeless Clinic on Instagram Live

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Melanie, yay! Did you already place an order? 

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Re: [RBW] WTB: 66 or 68cm Quickbeam frame set

[Julian Westerhout]

Bantam's website indicates that he does repairs, and lists BB shell 
replacements as $400+http://www.bantambicycles.com/repairs-and-retrofits

Definitely worth a call. 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL 

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 5:18:19 PM UTC-5, Kurt Manley wrote:
>
> Bantam in Portland would be a good person to check with if he's not on 
> your list already. I've seen him fix Rivs before. Aherne is also very good 
> and has done a downtube replacement for me at a reasonable cost but it was 
> a frame he built. Not sure if he does major repairs on frames he didn't 
> build (this is semi common).
>
> On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 11:21:43 AM UTC-7, Birdman wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, Jonathan. David was helpful. He says the job is over his head, 
>> but put me in touch with another local shop. They quoted $800-1000 in 
>> labor, plus paint stripping and paint! Yikes...
>>
>> I'm bringing the frame to my frame builder friend on Friday for him to 
>> take a look. To James' point above, this is clearly a big job!
>>
>> Isaac
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 5:22:41 PM UTC-7, Jonathan D. wrote:
>>>
>>> David Feldman did a repair for me before and a great job.  He is in 
>>> Vancouver and was the Rivelo mechanic as well.  
>>
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[RBW] Re: Why I went Tubeless

[ted]

My slightly dissenting take:

Listening to folks explain how easy setting up tubeless tires is reminds me 
of when I used to tell folks gluing on tubular racing tires was no big deal.

Though I never use a higher pressure to avoid pinch flats, I never get 
them. I mean in the last 2 decades I think I got 1 pinch flat and that was 
whomping a sizeable rock coming down a trail riding 45mm tires (schwalbe 
"fatties" from RBW) at between 20 and 25 psi. For me avoiding pinch flats 
is not a selling point for going tubeless.

I go weeks on end without getting a single flat all the time. But even 
though I live in the land of drought and am rarely out in inclement 
weather, when I do get one I don't like it, and almost all my flats are 
from wires or thorns or small flints which I expect OS would have sealed 
without me even stopping. So I have some interest in considering the whole 
tubeless thing.

To that end I have acquired and am now using a set of wheels set up 
tubeless on one of my bikes.
So far (~6 months in) it seems fine and has the following advantages for me:
  When I ride that bike along a trail with goat head producing flora all 
about I am much less worried, and so far 0 flats.
  I tend to ride that bike on days after it rains (when there tends to be 
much more crap along the side of the roads), again less worried and so far 
0 flats.

I have another bike with tubeless compatible rims that I've not gone 
tubeless on. I may consider it, but where my tubeless wheels have WTB 
Byways on em, that other bike wears 38mm RH extralights. I've heard the RH 
extralights sidewalls tend to weep when set up tubeless, and that doesn't 
sound like fun to me.



On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 5:49:23 AM UTC-7, Tim Bantham wrote:
>
> There's been some discussion on the board lately about the pros and cons 
> of tubeless tires. I am a tubeless believer but I wasn't always that way. I 
> wanted to share my experiences as a way of adding some perspective to those 
> considering giving it a go. Analog cycles is doing an Instagram live on 
> tubeless tonight at 5:00 PM ET. You should watch it if you are remotely 
> interested. Much of my current tubeless knowledge was gained by talking 
> with James and Candice. Before I met the good folks at Analog I had quite a 
> bit of experience with tubeless setups. Some good and some not so good. 
>
> The first thing I'll make clear is that you can continue to run tubes in 
> your tires and be perfectly happy for the remainder of your biking life. 
> Nothing wrong with that. Tubeless is not going to rock your world. However, 
> there are many benefits to setting your tires up tubeless. I'd like to 
> share those with you based on my own experiences. 
>
> You can run low pressure without fear of getting a pinch flat. If you are 
> a Riv fan you already know the benefit of soft tires. Subtle ride quality 
> with lots of cush to absorb the bumps. To me this is worth it alone but 
> there are other benefits. 
>
> Much easier to fix a flat tire. True confession I rarely get a flat tire 
> with tubeless. If you get a small puncture sometimes just riding the tire 
> allows sealant to get into the hole and seal the tire. If it doesn't seal 
> you have to plug the hole. Let's say you run over a nail. You can fix the 
> flat without removing the wheel. Murphy's law is that 75% of your flats 
> will be on the rear tire.With a tube you have to take the rear wheel off in 
> the field. No big deal right? I know... I've done it tons of times. That 
> said, if I can avoid doing so why wouldn't I? With tubeless you can plug 
> the hole without removing the wheel from the bike. That to me that is a 
> significant benefit. Of course there remains the possibility that you can 
> get a gash in the sidewall. That happens but if you are prepared with 
> gorilla tape and gorilla glue you can fix that without removing the wheel 
> from the bike as well. 
>
> Final tips: 
>
>- Get the Dynapill made by Dynaplug for your tubeless repairs. 
>- Still carry a tube with you. A tube could always be installed as a 
>last resort but it should be rare. 
>- Invest in a good air compressor. An air compressor is handy! The 
>pumps that are sold claiming to seat tubeless tires don't work as claimed. 
>I know because I own one. 
>- Don't try to seat tubeless with a regular bicycle pump. Doesn't work 
>and not worth the frustration. See above. 
>- Use Orange Seal Endurance Sealant. Best sealant on the market. Blows 
>away anything else I've ever tried. 
>- The tubeless tape that Analog sells is fantastic! Easy to work with, 
>has the right amount of stretch. 
>- Don't try to set up any old rim/tire combo tubeless. Look for rims 
>that are advertised as tubeless. I have Velocity Cliffhangers and Quills 
> on 
>my bikes. Both set up easily.  
>- Buy a tubeless ready tire. 
>- Don't worry about sealant randomly oozing out of your tire. Doesn't 
>happe

[RBW] Analog Cycles: Free Tubeless Clinic on Instagram Live

[Joe Bernard]

That was very informative and cool. I think I'm going to give tubeless another 
whirl, too, and declare myself an honorary #Rivsister-dude! 😜

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[RBW] Re: Ideas for very unobtrusive and very QR saddlebag mounting system for non-Brooks saddles

[Patrick Moore]

After far too much thinking about this very minor and evanescent question,
it occurred to me on this afternoon's ride that one possible system for
very QR saddlebag on/off that does not require more than a couple of oz
attached to saddle or seapost might be this:

Drill the dowel on your Carradice transverse saddlebag to take small eye
bolts threaded for installation with nuts, and installed so that the eyes
are butted up against the top of the dowel -- ie, they don't extend far
above the dowel.

Clamp short hooks to your saddle rails. Install the saddlebag by hooking
the eye bolts onto the hooks.

This of course raises the question (it does not "beg" it; begging the
question is the logical fallacy of assuming what you want to prove; IOW,
arguing in a circle): what sort of hooks, and how attach them securely to
the rearward part of the saddle rails?

And this last question is what stumps me. Ideas?

But I just thought of this: Instead of eye bolts, bolt J hooks to the
dowel, and hook over saddle rails themselves. Thoughts? Must really stop
procrastinating my trip to True Value.


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[RBW] Analog Cycles: Free Tubeless Clinic on Instagram Live

[Melanie]

I’ve joined the tubeless crew, too!

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[RBW] Re: Analog Cycles: Free Tubeless Clinic on Instagram Live

[Roberta]

That was a super session!  I'm so glad I'm having you enlighten and uplift 
my Joe Appaloosa.  See you soon!

Roberta

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 10:45:21 AM UTC-4, James / Analog Cycles 
wrote:
>
> Hey my real time ability to reply to threads has been fixed...
>
> We will eventually post a video on our site.  Instagram is a tool, just 
> like this forum.  They're the same, really, and if you are ok with one... 
> the other is also valid.  
>
> We currently have a bunch of info on our site about tubeless set up, 
> component selection, tubeless repair.  If you are not into videos or moving 
> images (we all know Magic Lantern shows are the only true art form, movies 
> are passe), you should go read that stuff, which takes the form of text and 
> static images.  
>
> Here are those links: 
>
> Set up guide: 
> https://www.analogcycles.com/true-facts-components/analogs-tubeless-set-up-guide/
> parts selection: 
> https://www.analogcycles.com/tubeless-component-selection/
> tubeless maintenance: 
> https://www.analogcycles.com/true-facts-components/tubeless-maintainence-repairs/
>
> -James who doesn't have running water, a flush toilet, lives in a tent, 
> has an off the grid bike shop, uses only wood for heat but still believes 
> in Instagram Johnson
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 4:59:03 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>>
>> ***Posted on behalf of James and Candice, whose posts are delayed on the 
>> List*** 
>>
>> Analog Cycles, a Rivendell dealer out of rural Vermont has mounted 500 
>> tubeless tires and counting. They have honed their technique and are 
>> willing to share their tips on all things tubeless. James and Candice are 
>> offering us a FREE tubeless clinic. They will cover tubeless mounting, 
>> maintenance, and flat-fixing via an Instagram Live session. You will be 
>> able to ask your questions via text during the video and get your answers, 
>> straight from Analog. 
>>
>> If you’ve been considering going tubeless or if you have just wanted to 
>> know how it all works, join us Wednesday, April 15 at 5 pm EASTERN time. 
>> Most folks are working from home, so hope those from other time zones can 
>> hop on. Follow Analog Cycles on Instagram and look for them to go live 4.15 
>> at 5pm EST. 
>>
>> Thanks so much, James and Candice - I can’t wait to tune in. 
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Analog Cycles: Free Tubeless Clinic on Instagram Live

[J Imler]

After the tutorial, I’m game. Thanks James and Candice!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Have an idea for my stash of unused camera film

[Patrick Moore]

Thank you, Daniel. My daughter will enjoy her foray into film (she's
somewhat experienced in digital) and I will send you at least one print.

On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 4:34 PM Daniel D.  wrote:

> My shipping envelopes are due to arrive in may!  then i'll get em out to
> y'all.
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Re: [RBW] Re: 30 Days of Biking!

[Patrick Moore]

My own experience is that unless your bell is very loud -- the very large
brass striker bells that Riv sells or used to sell -- and rung early and
rung often, a surprising number of recreation path pedestrians either won't
hear or won't register what they hear. I have switched to Spurcycle bells;
these aren't as loud, though they are more piercing, and I very often have
to augment the bell with a "Cyclist behind you!!" yelled in a courteous,
comforting manner, of course. Heck, I've had oncoming pedestrians walk
toward me on my side of the road (right side in the US) and not see me
approaching until I am 25 yards away, and yell, "*Heads UP!" *or slam on
the brakes and skid the rear tire. So it's less the volume than the type of
sound; many recreational walkers and cyclists seem to take for granted that
they can wholly tune out when they are off urban thoroughfares and out of
their cars.

On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 3:57 PM masmojo  wrote:

> Yes, I find that bells are more effective and "friendly" than yelling. The
> thing I notice about bell's is even if you ring it a wayz before you get to
> people they may not register hearing it, but then suddenly it gets through
> to their subconscious or something & the move out of the way.
>
> Too many people with headphones or airpods these days & they can be so
> small that you can't tell if the have them or not, so I just assume they do
> to be safe.
>
> Rode to the post office
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/XdDj673t8isHNzRe9
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[RBW] Re: Have an idea for my stash of unused camera film

[Daniel D.]

My shipping envelopes are due to arrive in may!  then i'll get em out to 
y'all.


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Re: [RBW] Another Clem fender conundrum

[Jim Bronson]

Thanks for the suggestions guys.  I think I like Dan's suggestion of the VO
springy thing the best.  I'll try that first.

As for Analog's comments, agreed, rather buy from a bike retailer than a
hardware store!  They're most likely to have the exact stuff one needs.

-Jim
Leander(thal), TX

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 7:33 AM Dan McNamara  wrote:

> Hi Jim,
>
> I have used a wine cork with a long bolt to address this. There is also
> this item from Velo-Orange that might help:
>
> https://velo-orange.com/products/spring-thing?_pos=1&_sid=3accc6dce&_ss=r
>
> You could probably put something similar together with a trip to the
> hardware store.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Dan
>
> San Rafael, CA
>
> On Apr 13, 2020, at 9:46 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:
>
> 
> Well after 3 years, I decided to finally put the fenders on that I had
> purchased with the bike.  There was a drenching on a rather cold day (for
> Texas in March) a few weeks back, and I can't have that road grime all over
> me again.
>
> Thoughts of, oh why oh why didn't I just pay the $40 or whatever it was
> to have Rivendell put them on before shipping the bike? Come to mind at
> times like these.
>
> So anyway the front fender went pretty well but the back fender was a
> train wreck/dumpster fire (pick one).  The fender line is a disaster.
> There must be at least three inches between the fender and the tire near
> the seat stay.  I put the bike in the stand and took the fender back off.
>
> I need a long bolt and something like a wine cork to create some shim
> space there.  I have seen these done before on other bikes
>
> Does anyone have suggestions?  I would prefer to order the bolt online.  I
> have lots of wine corks and other assorted washers lying around.
>
> Pics at https://photos.app.goo.gl/LTC6BnG1T9WXK2jXA of the front and rear.
>
> Jim
> Leander, TX
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Why I went Tubeless

[Patrick Moore]

FWIW, I find that Orange Seal, both Regular and Endurance (I think that the
Endurance is a bit "thinner" -- like skim milk instead of 4%) will from
time to time clog my valves; very annoying when you find you've
overinflated a tire and the gunk won't let you release pressure unless you
basically disassemble the valve and poke a stick down the valve stem to
clear it.

I will add, FWIW, that if you live in goatheadland, then modern sealants
let you ride nice tires without going through 2 100-unit boxes of Remas a
year while riding less nice tires (Kojaks). I don't know if I ever went
through a full 200, but I sure did get through more than 150, and this
while riding under 4K miles a year (maxed out at 4K when commuting to a
real office; dropped to an aspirational 3K thereafter) on 3-4-5 bikes.

Here is my experience.

Stan's and OS work bloody wonderful in very thin (F Fred, Big One) very fat
(50 and 60 mm actual) tires at very low (down to 18 psi) pressures, when
you set these tires up tubeless; sealant is no bloody good with tubes at
pressures under -- gross guess, but based on my experience -- about 35 psi.

Stans' and OS work pretty well (that's 2 units down on the wonderful scale)
when used in tubes at pressures higher than ~ 40+ -- 29 mm Parigi Roubaix
and 28 mm Rene Herse Elk Passes. At lower pressures, there's not enough of
it to force the sealant into the holes in the tubes.

Orange Seal Endurance works very well for low pressure, fat, tubeless
tires; it works less well for 40 psi+ tires with tubes; Orange Seal Regular
seems to plug holes better in tubes at these pressures. And Stan's (note: I
switched to OS back in about 2014, so my experience with Stan's may be
dated; I know only the 2014 Stan's) works well in tubes at 40psi + but not
as well as OS; and Stan's also worked well in fat, thinwall, tubeless tires
at low pressures, but OS, both varieties, works considerably better.

Stan's will dry to form little rubber octopuses; OS dries to a film.

OS both varieties seems to remain liquid longer than Stan's, both in tubes
and in tubeless tires. Stan's seems to remain liquid in tubes for at least
12 months (high desert; summer humidity often sub 10% -- I've seen it at
5%); but OS, both, seems to last longer -- at least 18 months. I've not had
time to compare OS R with OS E here.

Overall, these sealants work better in tubeless tires of the fat, thinwall,
low pressure variety than in lightweight tubes in thinwall tires at road
pressures; OTOH, these sealants work well enough in the latter to let you
ride gossamer-light, supple road tires (559 X 28 Elk Pass = 178 grams) at
40-65 psi pressures in places where goatheads abound and where, from
personal experience, without sealants, you will very literally get a thorn
flat every 1 or 2 miles.

Lastly, as good as modern sealants are, they are *not* the Holy Grail and *ne
plus ultra* of nice-tire heaven. Even modern sealants are messy pains in
the  a** -- more messy in tubes than in tubeless, but messy in tubeless
when you get a larger hole than thorns make, and even thorn holes will
often have the sealant spraying for a few wheel revolutions until it plugs
the hole. But the tradeoff is certainly worth it for off road tubeless; and
it is worth it even for road tubes if you like to ride paper tire or don't
like to patch tubes while riding heavier tires. My cut-off point would be
about 1 patch a week. If I could ride top-quality road tires (Rene Herse)
with tubes and fix just 1 puncture a week at 60-80 miles per week, I'd not
use sealant. More than that, I'll take it.

FWIW too, I *never* get pinch flats even with fat tires and tubes at 12 psi
on dirt. The last time I got a pinch flat, about 8 years ago, was by
deliberately riding fast into a patch of large, sharp-edge gravel on
pavement, on 190 gram 22 mm tires at 80 psi front, to see if I would --
pinch flat. I did.



On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 1:36 PM Rick Thompson  wrote:

> I had the same problem after changing from Orange Seal to Panaracer
> sealant, but found I could clear the clogged valve stem with a nail. Now I
> fill until flow slows down, pull off the fill tube and push the bunch of
> walnuts shells in with the nail, put back the tube and continue. I am not
> sure the Panaracer is any better than OS, may change back after using up
> the big bottle.
>
> On sidewall weeping: both OS and Panaracer weeped with RH extralight
> tires, but the endurance tires do not weep at all. Living in goathead
> country, these are my now my favorites. Ride is slightly less plush than
> the extralights.
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 11:13:04 AM UTC-7, Clark Fitzgerald wrote:
>>
>> I was unable to add Panaracer sealant through the valve because the large
>> bits of walnut inside clog it up. Had to unseat the bead, add it directly
>> to the tire, and reseat the bead- all the hassle of the initial setup. It
>> was very frustrating. Lesson: use sealant you can top off through the valve.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 1

Re: [RBW] WTB: 66 or 68cm Quickbeam frame set

[Kurt Manley]

Bantam in Portland would be a good person to check with if he's not on your 
list already. I've seen him fix Rivs before. Aherne is also very good and 
has done a downtube replacement for me at a reasonable cost but it was a 
frame he built. Not sure if he does major repairs on frames he didn't build 
(this is semi common).

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 11:21:43 AM UTC-7, Birdman wrote:
>
> Thanks, Jonathan. David was helpful. He says the job is over his head, but 
> put me in touch with another local shop. They quoted $800-1000 in labor, 
> plus paint stripping and paint! Yikes...
>
> I'm bringing the frame to my frame builder friend on Friday for him to 
> take a look. To James' point above, this is clearly a big job!
>
> Isaac
>
> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 5:22:41 PM UTC-7, Jonathan D. wrote:
>>
>> David Feldman did a repair for me before and a great job.  He is in 
>> Vancouver and was the Rivelo mechanic as well.  
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Analog Cycles: Free Tubeless Clinic on Instagram Live

[Leah Peterson]

The clinic was A1. Fantastic. I can’t believe I’m saying this, but I think I 
could patch those tires myself with that cool lipstick tool! 

Thanks so much, James and Candice, you knocked your first Live videos out of 
the park! I think there were about 70 viewers at the height of it.

Did anyone else decide to go tubeless after watching? 

Joyce, I hope you join your #Rivsisters on the tubeless side.
Leah

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 15, 2020, at 3:09 PM, JAS  wrote:
> 
> 
> James and Candace @ Analog,
> 
> Thanks so much for the tutorial on tubeless.  I learned a lot and especially 
> appreciated the hole and slash repair demo.  I always wondered if tubeless 
> was lighter since you're putting the sealant into the tire and that has to 
> weigh something.  Obviously, it doesn't weigh as much as a tube, even when 
> you add more over the top of the initial sealant.  Good job on the video!
> 
> --Joyce
> Another RivSister thinking about going tubeless
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[RBW] Re: Analog Cycles: Free Tubeless Clinic on Instagram Live

[JAS]

James and Candace @ Analog,

Thanks so much for the tutorial on tubeless.  I learned a lot and 
especially appreciated the hole and slash repair demo.  I always wondered 
if tubeless was lighter since you're putting the sealant into the tire and 
that has to weigh something.  Obviously, it doesn't weigh as much as a 
tube, even when you add more over the top of the initial sealant.  Good job 
on the video!

--Joyce
Another RivSister thinking about going tubeless

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Re: [RBW] Re: 30 Days of Biking!

[masmojo]

Yes, I find that bells are more effective and "friendly" than yelling. The 
thing I notice about bell's is even if you ring it a wayz before you get to 
people they may not register hearing it, but then suddenly it gets through to 
their subconscious or something & the move out of the way.

Too many people with headphones or airpods these days & they can be so small 
that you can't tell if the have them or not, so I just assume they do to be 
safe.

Rode to the post office 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/XdDj673t8isHNzRe9

Titanium Crust Evasion.

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[RBW] Re: Swapping Clem H to Atlantis

[Andrew Nussbaum]

Thanks, Collin. Good call. I'd been looking in the wrong place!

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 2:47:29 PM UTC-6, Collin A wrote:
>
> Andrew,
>
> There definitely seems to be an inconsistency between the geometry charts 
> and the actual models, my guess based on how often there are little tweaks 
> to the frames. The Atlantis page specifically calls out the 2.4" clearance 
> here:
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/framesets/products/frame-new-atlantis
>
> That's an interesting note about how you have the Clem and Atlantis setup. 
> What is your PBH? Another reason/thought for the switch it is to try and 
> get a frame that fits just a wee bit better.
>
> Thanks for the comments so far, I really appreciate them!
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 1:37:36 PM UTC-7, Andrew Nussbaum wrote:
>>
>> I have a tangential question: is it accurate that then Atlantis can fit 
>> tires up to 2.4"? The Riv website 
>>  says it fits tires up to 2.2" 
>> only.
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 2:29:18 PM UTC-6, LBleriot wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm lucky enough to own both a Clem H and an MIT Atlantis.  My Clem has 
>>> swept back bars and Cazaderos so that I can ride trails.  My Atlantis has 
>>> drop bars and front rack for long comfy road rides.  I'm sure there are 
>>> lots of differences in geometry details and other nuances that I don't 
>>> understand, but to me the frames are pretty much the same and are 
>>> interchangeable.  I could swap parts back and forth between the frames, and 
>>> probably wouldn't notice a difference.
>>>
>>> Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 12:45:26 PM UTC-4, Collin A wrote:
>>>
 Hey Folks,

 I've enjoyed my Clem over the past 2 years, but have always had a 
 nagging desire for an Atlantis or Apaloosa, partly for the differing ride 
 characteristics, but also cause lugs and that creamy blue-green :). I 
 finally realized that one of the updates in the 2020 Atlantis was a switch 
 of tire size from 26" to 650b in the 50cm size. Combined with my missing 
 the latest round of Apaloosas (0 for 2!) Inow see an openning to doing a 
 parts switch from my current 52 Clem H to a 50 cm Atlantis and wanted to 
 pull from the collective experience of the group. I have a few questions 
 for folks:

1. Is the Atlantis more of a hillibike or a country bike? I imagine 
Hilibike thanks to the now 2.4" tire clearance and how most folks have 
 set 
theirs up.
   - Bill's Atlantis and another more recent build post come to 
   mind 
2. For folks who've run a 2" tire on the atlantis, have you noticed 
any weird pedal strike or standover issues since the bike is designed 
 for 
larger tires
3. What are some of the more unique aspects of the Atlantis that 
you enjoy or despise?
4. Seatpost size on the 50cm model? Assuming 26.8 but I can't find 
any documentation
5. Is the Atlantis easy to maneuver around the train, apartment, 
stairwell, etc. or is it still a big bike?

 Any other thoughts/differences? I am curious to hear the groups overall 
 impressions of the Atlantis, especially for those who have switched 
 between 
 a few of the Rivendell models.

 I'm planning to still keep the Atlantis on the hillibike side of the 
 spectrum and hopefully use it to explore the sierra foothills this summer 
 (or next, if California stays on the current trajectory)

 Thanks all,
 Collin in Sacramento

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Swapping Clem H to Atlantis

[Collin A]

Andrew,

There definitely seems to be an inconsistency between the geometry charts 
and the actual models, my guess based on how often there are little tweaks 
to the frames. The Atlantis page specifically calls out the 2.4" clearance 
here:
https://www.rivbike.com/collections/framesets/products/frame-new-atlantis

That's an interesting note about how you have the Clem and Atlantis setup. 
What is your PBH? Another reason/thought for the switch it is to try and 
get a frame that fits just a wee bit better.

Thanks for the comments so far, I really appreciate them!


On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 1:37:36 PM UTC-7, Andrew Nussbaum wrote:
>
> I have a tangential question: is it accurate that then Atlantis can fit 
> tires up to 2.4"? The Riv website  
> says it fits tires up to 2.2" only.
>
> On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 2:29:18 PM UTC-6, LBleriot wrote:
>>
>> I'm lucky enough to own both a Clem H and an MIT Atlantis.  My Clem has 
>> swept back bars and Cazaderos so that I can ride trails.  My Atlantis has 
>> drop bars and front rack for long comfy road rides.  I'm sure there are 
>> lots of differences in geometry details and other nuances that I don't 
>> understand, but to me the frames are pretty much the same and are 
>> interchangeable.  I could swap parts back and forth between the frames, and 
>> probably wouldn't notice a difference.
>>
>> Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 12:45:26 PM UTC-4, Collin A wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Folks,
>>>
>>> I've enjoyed my Clem over the past 2 years, but have always had a 
>>> nagging desire for an Atlantis or Apaloosa, partly for the differing ride 
>>> characteristics, but also cause lugs and that creamy blue-green :). I 
>>> finally realized that one of the updates in the 2020 Atlantis was a switch 
>>> of tire size from 26" to 650b in the 50cm size. Combined with my missing 
>>> the latest round of Apaloosas (0 for 2!) Inow see an openning to doing a 
>>> parts switch from my current 52 Clem H to a 50 cm Atlantis and wanted to 
>>> pull from the collective experience of the group. I have a few questions 
>>> for folks:
>>>
>>>1. Is the Atlantis more of a hillibike or a country bike? I imagine 
>>>Hilibike thanks to the now 2.4" tire clearance and how most folks have 
>>> set 
>>>theirs up.
>>>   - Bill's Atlantis and another more recent build post come to mind 
>>>2. For folks who've run a 2" tire on the atlantis, have you noticed 
>>>any weird pedal strike or standover issues since the bike is designed 
>>> for 
>>>larger tires
>>>3. What are some of the more unique aspects of the Atlantis that you 
>>>enjoy or despise?
>>>4. Seatpost size on the 50cm model? Assuming 26.8 but I can't find 
>>>any documentation
>>>5. Is the Atlantis easy to maneuver around the train, apartment, 
>>>stairwell, etc. or is it still a big bike?
>>>
>>> Any other thoughts/differences? I am curious to hear the groups overall 
>>> impressions of the Atlantis, especially for those who have switched between 
>>> a few of the Rivendell models.
>>>
>>> I'm planning to still keep the Atlantis on the hillibike side of the 
>>> spectrum and hopefully use it to explore the sierra foothills this summer 
>>> (or next, if California stays on the current trajectory)
>>>
>>> Thanks all,
>>> Collin in Sacramento
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Swapping Clem H to Atlantis

[Andrew Nussbaum]

I have a tangential question: is it accurate that then Atlantis can fit 
tires up to 2.4"? The Riv website  
says it fits tires up to 2.2" only.

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 2:29:18 PM UTC-6, LBleriot wrote:
>
> I'm lucky enough to own both a Clem H and an MIT Atlantis.  My Clem has 
> swept back bars and Cazaderos so that I can ride trails.  My Atlantis has 
> drop bars and front rack for long comfy road rides.  I'm sure there are 
> lots of differences in geometry details and other nuances that I don't 
> understand, but to me the frames are pretty much the same and are 
> interchangeable.  I could swap parts back and forth between the frames, and 
> probably wouldn't notice a difference.
>
> Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 12:45:26 PM UTC-4, Collin A wrote:
>
>> Hey Folks,
>>
>> I've enjoyed my Clem over the past 2 years, but have always had a nagging 
>> desire for an Atlantis or Apaloosa, partly for the differing ride 
>> characteristics, but also cause lugs and that creamy blue-green :). I 
>> finally realized that one of the updates in the 2020 Atlantis was a switch 
>> of tire size from 26" to 650b in the 50cm size. Combined with my missing 
>> the latest round of Apaloosas (0 for 2!) Inow see an openning to doing a 
>> parts switch from my current 52 Clem H to a 50 cm Atlantis and wanted to 
>> pull from the collective experience of the group. I have a few questions 
>> for folks:
>>
>>1. Is the Atlantis more of a hillibike or a country bike? I imagine 
>>Hilibike thanks to the now 2.4" tire clearance and how most folks have 
>> set 
>>theirs up.
>>   - Bill's Atlantis and another more recent build post come to mind 
>>2. For folks who've run a 2" tire on the atlantis, have you noticed 
>>any weird pedal strike or standover issues since the bike is designed for 
>>larger tires
>>3. What are some of the more unique aspects of the Atlantis that you 
>>enjoy or despise?
>>4. Seatpost size on the 50cm model? Assuming 26.8 but I can't find 
>>any documentation
>>5. Is the Atlantis easy to maneuver around the train, apartment, 
>>stairwell, etc. or is it still a big bike?
>>
>> Any other thoughts/differences? I am curious to hear the groups overall 
>> impressions of the Atlantis, especially for those who have switched between 
>> a few of the Rivendell models.
>>
>> I'm planning to still keep the Atlantis on the hillibike side of the 
>> spectrum and hopefully use it to explore the sierra foothills this summer 
>> (or next, if California stays on the current trajectory)
>>
>> Thanks all,
>> Collin in Sacramento
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Swapping Clem H to Atlantis

[LBleriot]

I'm lucky enough to own both a Clem H and an MIT Atlantis.  My Clem has 
swept back bars and Cazaderos so that I can ride trails.  My Atlantis has 
drop bars and front rack for long comfy road rides.  I'm sure there are 
lots of differences in geometry details and other nuances that I don't 
understand, but to me the frames are pretty much the same and are 
interchangeable.  I could swap parts back and forth between the frames, and 
probably wouldn't notice a difference.

Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 12:45:26 PM UTC-4, Collin A wrote:

> Hey Folks,
>
> I've enjoyed my Clem over the past 2 years, but have always had a nagging 
> desire for an Atlantis or Apaloosa, partly for the differing ride 
> characteristics, but also cause lugs and that creamy blue-green :). I 
> finally realized that one of the updates in the 2020 Atlantis was a switch 
> of tire size from 26" to 650b in the 50cm size. Combined with my missing 
> the latest round of Apaloosas (0 for 2!) Inow see an openning to doing a 
> parts switch from my current 52 Clem H to a 50 cm Atlantis and wanted to 
> pull from the collective experience of the group. I have a few questions 
> for folks:
>
>1. Is the Atlantis more of a hillibike or a country bike? I imagine 
>Hilibike thanks to the now 2.4" tire clearance and how most folks have set 
>theirs up.
>   - Bill's Atlantis and another more recent build post come to mind 
>2. For folks who've run a 2" tire on the atlantis, have you noticed 
>any weird pedal strike or standover issues since the bike is designed for 
>larger tires
>3. What are some of the more unique aspects of the Atlantis that you 
>enjoy or despise?
>4. Seatpost size on the 50cm model? Assuming 26.8 but I can't find any 
>documentation
>5. Is the Atlantis easy to maneuver around the train, apartment, 
>stairwell, etc. or is it still a big bike?
>
> Any other thoughts/differences? I am curious to hear the groups overall 
> impressions of the Atlantis, especially for those who have switched between 
> a few of the Rivendell models.
>
> I'm planning to still keep the Atlantis on the hillibike side of the 
> spectrum and hopefully use it to explore the sierra foothills this summer 
> (or next, if California stays on the current trajectory)
>
> Thanks all,
> Collin in Sacramento
>

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[RBW] Re: Analog Cycles: Free Tubeless Clinic on Instagram Live

[Joe Bernard]

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[RBW] Re: Analog Cycles: Free Tubeless Clinic on Instagram Live

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

45 minutes to Live! See you there!

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[RBW] Re: Pedal Strikes when Turning

['John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch]

James

Thanks for the clarification.  This was what I was looking for, but 
probably did not ask too well.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 3:15:10 PM UTC-4, James / Analog Cycles 
wrote:
>
> Crit bikes have high BB's because you need to pedal thru turns.  Riv style 
> frames are not made for that.  You just don't pedal in turns.  Wide 
> platform pedals don't help either.  
>
> -James / Analog Cycles / Fan of high bottom brackets and short cranks.
>
> On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 12:18:02 PM UTC-4, John Hawrylak wrote:
>>
>> Past and current Rivendell models with 700C wheels have Bottom Bracket 
>> Drops (BBD) in the 75 to 80 mm range.  The exceptions seem to be: 
>> GusBothWilson at 70mm, Legalos at 70mm, and Quickbeam at 73mm.
>>
>> Is it common to have pedal strikes while turning??  Perhaps, you avoid 
>> pedaling when turning or cornering or hold the cranks near 3 and 9 o'clock.
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Amusing PSA: Mustard Clem frame

[Jason Fuller]

"Gravel Peterson"

Why buy direct from Riv when you can pay double on eBay! 

On Wednesday, 15 April 2020 11:45:55 UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I won't link it but there's an NOS Clem F/F/HS on Ebay. $1800! Plus 
> shipping!!!

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[RBW] Re: Why I went Tubeless

[Rick Thompson]

I had the same problem after changing from Orange Seal to Panaracer 
sealant, but found I could clear the clogged valve stem with a nail. Now I 
fill until flow slows down, pull off the fill tube and push the bunch of 
walnuts shells in with the nail, put back the tube and continue. I am not 
sure the Panaracer is any better than OS, may change back after using up 
the big bottle.

On sidewall weeping: both OS and Panaracer weeped with RH extralight tires, 
but the endurance tires do not weep at all. Living in goathead country, 
these are my now my favorites. Ride is slightly less plush than the 
extralights.


On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 11:13:04 AM UTC-7, Clark Fitzgerald wrote:
>
> I was unable to add Panaracer sealant through the valve because the large 
> bits of walnut inside clog it up. Had to unseat the bead, add it directly 
> to the tire, and reseat the bead- all the hassle of the initial setup. It 
> was very frustrating. Lesson: use sealant you can top off through the valve.
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 10:08:21 AM UTC-7, James / Analog Cycles 
> wrote:
>>
>> FWIW, Panaracer sealant freezes at very mild temps, and becomes 
>> unusable.  We discovered this on a night that was in the high 20's. Our 
>> shop is not heated at night and we came back to unusable sealant.  Maybe 
>> this isn't the case if it's mixed.  
>>
>> -James
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 8:49:23 AM UTC-4, Tim Bantham wrote:
>>>
>>> There's been some discussion on the board lately about the pros and cons 
>>> of tubeless tires. I am a tubeless believer but I wasn't always that way. I 
>>> wanted to share my experiences as a way of adding some perspective to those 
>>> considering giving it a go. Analog cycles is doing an Instagram live on 
>>> tubeless tonight at 5:00 PM ET. You should watch it if you are remotely 
>>> interested. Much of my current tubeless knowledge was gained by talking 
>>> with James and Candice. Before I met the good folks at Analog I had quite a 
>>> bit of experience with tubeless setups. Some good and some not so good. 
>>>
>>> The first thing I'll make clear is that you can continue to run tubes in 
>>> your tires and be perfectly happy for the remainder of your biking life. 
>>> Nothing wrong with that. Tubeless is not going to rock your world. However, 
>>> there are many benefits to setting your tires up tubeless. I'd like to 
>>> share those with you based on my own experiences. 
>>>
>>> You can run low pressure without fear of getting a pinch flat. If you 
>>> are a Riv fan you already know the benefit of soft tires. Subtle ride 
>>> quality with lots of cush to absorb the bumps. To me this is worth it alone 
>>> but there are other benefits. 
>>>
>>> Much easier to fix a flat tire. True confession I rarely get a flat tire 
>>> with tubeless. If you get a small puncture sometimes just riding the tire 
>>> allows sealant to get into the hole and seal the tire. If it doesn't seal 
>>> you have to plug the hole. Let's say you run over a nail. You can fix the 
>>> flat without removing the wheel. Murphy's law is that 75% of your flats 
>>> will be on the rear tire.With a tube you have to take the rear wheel off in 
>>> the field. No big deal right? I know... I've done it tons of times. That 
>>> said, if I can avoid doing so why wouldn't I? With tubeless you can plug 
>>> the hole without removing the wheel from the bike. That to me that is a 
>>> significant benefit. Of course there remains the possibility that you can 
>>> get a gash in the sidewall. That happens but if you are prepared with 
>>> gorilla tape and gorilla glue you can fix that without removing the wheel 
>>> from the bike as well. 
>>>
>>> Final tips: 
>>>
>>>- Get the Dynapill made by Dynaplug for your tubeless repairs. 
>>>- Still carry a tube with you. A tube could always be installed as a 
>>>last resort but it should be rare. 
>>>- Invest in a good air compressor. An air compressor is handy! The 
>>>pumps that are sold claiming to seat tubeless tires don't work as 
>>> claimed. 
>>>I know because I own one. 
>>>- Don't try to seat tubeless with a regular bicycle pump. Doesn't 
>>>work and not worth the frustration. See above. 
>>>- Use Orange Seal Endurance Sealant. Best sealant on the market. 
>>>Blows away anything else I've ever tried. 
>>>- The tubeless tape that Analog sells is fantastic! Easy to work 
>>>with, has the right amount of stretch. 
>>>- Don't try to set up any old rim/tire combo tubeless. Look for rims 
>>>that are advertised as tubeless. I have Velocity Cliffhangers and Quills 
>>> on 
>>>my bikes. Both set up easily.  
>>>- Buy a tubeless ready tire. 
>>>- Don't worry about sealant randomly oozing out of your tire. 
>>>Doesn't happen if you set everything up correctly.
>>>- Use a regular bicycle pump to maintain air in your tires after 
>>>successful set up. 
>>>- Refill with fresh sealant every six mon

[RBW] Re: Why I went Tubeless

[Scott Calhoun]

Thanks for posting. The info that James has posted on Analog's site is 
great and aligns with my experiences and struggles. I've converted my 
wider-tired bikes to tubeless for the same reasons: 1. lower pressure w/o 
pinch flat fears 2. strikingly fewer flats, almost none. 

I would also be interesting in the differences between setting up wider rim 
tire combos and road 28-32mm tires that are run at higher pressures. So 
far, I've only set up my fatter >38mm tire bikes. But, I'm about to set up 
a regular-ass road bike wheelset with 28mm Conti 5000TL tires.

Scott Calhoun


On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 5:49:23 AM UTC-7, Tim Bantham wrote:
>
> There's been some discussion on the board lately about the pros and cons 
> of tubeless tires. I am a tubeless believer but I wasn't always that way. I 
> wanted to share my experiences as a way of adding some perspective to those 
> considering giving it a go. Analog cycles is doing an Instagram live on 
> tubeless tonight at 5:00 PM ET. You should watch it if you are remotely 
> interested. Much of my current tubeless knowledge was gained by talking 
> with James and Candice. Before I met the good folks at Analog I had quite a 
> bit of experience with tubeless setups. Some good and some not so good. 
>
> The first thing I'll make clear is that you can continue to run tubes in 
> your tires and be perfectly happy for the remainder of your biking life. 
> Nothing wrong with that. Tubeless is not going to rock your world. However, 
> there are many benefits to setting your tires up tubeless. I'd like to 
> share those with you based on my own experiences. 
>
> You can run low pressure without fear of getting a pinch flat. If you are 
> a Riv fan you already know the benefit of soft tires. Subtle ride quality 
> with lots of cush to absorb the bumps. To me this is worth it alone but 
> there are other benefits. 
>
> Much easier to fix a flat tire. True confession I rarely get a flat tire 
> with tubeless. If you get a small puncture sometimes just riding the tire 
> allows sealant to get into the hole and seal the tire. If it doesn't seal 
> you have to plug the hole. Let's say you run over a nail. You can fix the 
> flat without removing the wheel. Murphy's law is that 75% of your flats 
> will be on the rear tire.With a tube you have to take the rear wheel off in 
> the field. No big deal right? I know... I've done it tons of times. That 
> said, if I can avoid doing so why wouldn't I? With tubeless you can plug 
> the hole without removing the wheel from the bike. That to me that is a 
> significant benefit. Of course there remains the possibility that you can 
> get a gash in the sidewall. That happens but if you are prepared with 
> gorilla tape and gorilla glue you can fix that without removing the wheel 
> from the bike as well. 
>
> Final tips: 
>
>- Get the Dynapill made by Dynaplug for your tubeless repairs. 
>- Still carry a tube with you. A tube could always be installed as a 
>last resort but it should be rare. 
>- Invest in a good air compressor. An air compressor is handy! The 
>pumps that are sold claiming to seat tubeless tires don't work as claimed. 
>I know because I own one. 
>- Don't try to seat tubeless with a regular bicycle pump. Doesn't work 
>and not worth the frustration. See above. 
>- Use Orange Seal Endurance Sealant. Best sealant on the market. Blows 
>away anything else I've ever tried. 
>- The tubeless tape that Analog sells is fantastic! Easy to work with, 
>has the right amount of stretch. 
>- Don't try to set up any old rim/tire combo tubeless. Look for rims 
>that are advertised as tubeless. I have Velocity Cliffhangers and Quills 
> on 
>my bikes. Both set up easily.  
>- Buy a tubeless ready tire. 
>- Don't worry about sealant randomly oozing out of your tire. Doesn't 
>happen if you set everything up correctly.
>- Use a regular bicycle pump to maintain air in your tires after 
>successful set up. 
>- Refill with fresh sealant every six months.
>- Buy the Park Tools valve core remover to make adding fresh sealant 
>easier. 
>
> Hit me up with any questions. Do watch the tubeless set up live show 
> tonight on Instagram and go to Analogs website for tubeless set up tips. 
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Pedal Strikes when Turning

[James / Analog Cycles]

Crit bikes have high BB's because you need to pedal thru turns.  Riv style 
frames are not made for that.  You just don't pedal in turns.  Wide 
platform pedals don't help either.  

-James / Analog Cycles / Fan of high bottom brackets and short cranks.

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 12:18:02 PM UTC-4, John Hawrylak wrote:
>
> Past and current Rivendell models with 700C wheels have Bottom Bracket 
> Drops (BBD) in the 75 to 80 mm range.  The exceptions seem to be: 
> GusBothWilson at 70mm, Legalos at 70mm, and Quickbeam at 73mm.
>
> Is it common to have pedal strikes while turning??  Perhaps, you avoid 
> pedaling when turning or cornering or hold the cranks near 3 and 9 o'clock.
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>

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Re: [RBW] WTB: 66 or 68cm Quickbeam frame set

[Joe Bernard]

Gotta say, I don't see the point. Those are cool frames, but spending as much 
or more than the original frame cost is a little nuts to me. It's new frame 
time!

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[RBW] Amusing PSA: Mustard Clem frame

[Joe Bernard]

I won't link it but there's an NOS Clem F/F/HS on Ebay. $1800! Plus shipping!!!

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[RBW] Re: Swapping Clem H to Atlantis

[Joe Bernard]

I've owned both but the Atlantis for only a short time (long story about hand 
problems which knocked me off the bike for a while and I sold that one). So I 
don't have an extensive font of knowledge of the MIT Atlantis (53cm) but it's 
definitely a bike I would take singletracking. I would ride any trail a Clem 
can take, which is most of them. 

Yes it's a long bike. Maybe not *quite* as long as Clem, but you'll do some 
gymnastics in a stairway or elevator. 

Should you buy one with all those lugs in that perfect color? Don't even wait! 

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[RBW] Re: He Ain't Heavy, He's My Clem Smith L('il Missy)

[Jason Fuller]

I'm one of those people who just can't get into the look of a step thru 
bike, with one exception, and that's the Clem L.  There is just something 
magical about its appearance; I expect it's the fact that it's the most 
practical bike geometry there is, which transcends previous concepts of 
beauty. Your build, with the dual racks, lovely fenders, dynamo light, and 
comfy looking tires just elevates this further. 

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Re: [RBW] WTB: 66 or 68cm Quickbeam frame set

[Birdman]

Thanks, Jonathan. David was helpful. He says the job is over his head, but 
put me in touch with another local shop. They quoted $800-1000 in labor, 
plus paint stripping and paint! Yikes...

I'm bringing the frame to my frame builder friend on Friday for him to take 
a look. To James' point above, this is clearly a big job!

Isaac

On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 5:22:41 PM UTC-7, Jonathan D. wrote:
>
> David Feldman did a repair for me before and a great job.  He is in 
> Vancouver and was the Rivelo mechanic as well.  

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[RBW] Re: Why I went Tubeless

[Clark Fitzgerald]

I was unable to add Panaracer sealant through the valve because the large 
bits of walnut inside clog it up. Had to unseat the bead, add it directly 
to the tire, and reseat the bead- all the hassle of the initial setup. It 
was very frustrating. Lesson: use sealant you can top off through the valve.


On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 10:08:21 AM UTC-7, James / Analog Cycles 
wrote:
>
> FWIW, Panaracer sealant freezes at very mild temps, and becomes unusable.  
> We discovered this on a night that was in the high 20's. Our shop is not 
> heated at night and we came back to unusable sealant.  Maybe this isn't the 
> case if it's mixed.  
>
> -James
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 8:49:23 AM UTC-4, Tim Bantham wrote:
>>
>> There's been some discussion on the board lately about the pros and cons 
>> of tubeless tires. I am a tubeless believer but I wasn't always that way. I 
>> wanted to share my experiences as a way of adding some perspective to those 
>> considering giving it a go. Analog cycles is doing an Instagram live on 
>> tubeless tonight at 5:00 PM ET. You should watch it if you are remotely 
>> interested. Much of my current tubeless knowledge was gained by talking 
>> with James and Candice. Before I met the good folks at Analog I had quite a 
>> bit of experience with tubeless setups. Some good and some not so good. 
>>
>> The first thing I'll make clear is that you can continue to run tubes in 
>> your tires and be perfectly happy for the remainder of your biking life. 
>> Nothing wrong with that. Tubeless is not going to rock your world. However, 
>> there are many benefits to setting your tires up tubeless. I'd like to 
>> share those with you based on my own experiences. 
>>
>> You can run low pressure without fear of getting a pinch flat. If you are 
>> a Riv fan you already know the benefit of soft tires. Subtle ride quality 
>> with lots of cush to absorb the bumps. To me this is worth it alone but 
>> there are other benefits. 
>>
>> Much easier to fix a flat tire. True confession I rarely get a flat tire 
>> with tubeless. If you get a small puncture sometimes just riding the tire 
>> allows sealant to get into the hole and seal the tire. If it doesn't seal 
>> you have to plug the hole. Let's say you run over a nail. You can fix the 
>> flat without removing the wheel. Murphy's law is that 75% of your flats 
>> will be on the rear tire.With a tube you have to take the rear wheel off in 
>> the field. No big deal right? I know... I've done it tons of times. That 
>> said, if I can avoid doing so why wouldn't I? With tubeless you can plug 
>> the hole without removing the wheel from the bike. That to me that is a 
>> significant benefit. Of course there remains the possibility that you can 
>> get a gash in the sidewall. That happens but if you are prepared with 
>> gorilla tape and gorilla glue you can fix that without removing the wheel 
>> from the bike as well. 
>>
>> Final tips: 
>>
>>- Get the Dynapill made by Dynaplug for your tubeless repairs. 
>>- Still carry a tube with you. A tube could always be installed as a 
>>last resort but it should be rare. 
>>- Invest in a good air compressor. An air compressor is handy! The 
>>pumps that are sold claiming to seat tubeless tires don't work as 
>> claimed. 
>>I know because I own one. 
>>- Don't try to seat tubeless with a regular bicycle pump. Doesn't 
>>work and not worth the frustration. See above. 
>>- Use Orange Seal Endurance Sealant. Best sealant on the market. 
>>Blows away anything else I've ever tried. 
>>- The tubeless tape that Analog sells is fantastic! Easy to work 
>>with, has the right amount of stretch. 
>>- Don't try to set up any old rim/tire combo tubeless. Look for rims 
>>that are advertised as tubeless. I have Velocity Cliffhangers and Quills 
>> on 
>>my bikes. Both set up easily.  
>>- Buy a tubeless ready tire. 
>>- Don't worry about sealant randomly oozing out of your tire. Doesn't 
>>happen if you set everything up correctly.
>>- Use a regular bicycle pump to maintain air in your tires after 
>>successful set up. 
>>- Refill with fresh sealant every six months.
>>- Buy the Park Tools valve core remover to make adding fresh sealant 
>>easier. 
>>
>> Hit me up with any questions. Do watch the tubeless set up live show 
>> tonight on Instagram and go to Analogs website for tubeless set up tips. 
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: He Ain't Heavy, He's My Clem Smith L('il Missy)

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Mark,

That Raleigh Bronze-Green-like color is gorgeous! I love all the retro 
touches on the build; your Clem just oozes conviviality!  : )

Bob E
Cranford, NJ

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[RBW] Re: Pedal Strikes when Turning

[Clark Fitzgerald]

What Ted wrote. I almost never get pedal strikes from turning, only from 
rocks :)

Fixed gears require different technique- you lean your body, not the bike.


On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 9:24:59 AM UTC-7, ted wrote:
>
> On any corner with the slightest chance of a pedal strike I’m either 
> pedaling or have the outside foot down. Pedals at 3 and 9 is strictly for 
> going straight (or sometimes through wide sweeping turns on fast descents).

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[RBW] Re: Ideas for very unobtrusive and very QR saddlebag mounting system for non-Brooks saddles

[Max S]

https://www.cyclingabout.com/complete-list-of-bikepacking-bag-manufacturers/

On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 6:11:50 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> With my grocery bike currently away from home, I've been using my stripped 
> down gofast with Camper Longflap strapped directly to saddle rails. This is 
> not a heart-rending or earth shaking need, but it would be nice to have 
> some sort of -- I guess -- saddle-mounted or seatpost-mounted QR with which 
> I could swap quickly back and forth between a Camper or say a large 
> Saddlesack, and a small, Banana Bag-sized kit carrier -- or, for that 
> matter, the Ruthworks wedge I now have.
>
> I *do not* want a large clamp like the SQR bracket (I have several of 
> those) or even the Nitto QR mount, nor do I want something to clutter up a 
> wedge, though I certainly don't mind somewhat bulky hardware attached to a 
> large saddlebag.
>
> And I do have a stash of the VO saddle bag loops.
>
> I know that Carradice makes this: 
> https://www.carradice.co.uk/products/saddle-fixing-systems/carradice-classic-saddlebag-rack,
>  
> and I daresay one could rig it up with the VO loops, but they claim a 13 lb 
> limit and I'd like at least 20 lbs' capacity.
>
> Oh, and my bar is too narrow for full Camper or medium Sackville fitment.
>
> And I don't want to use a huge courier bag or backpack.
>
> Ideas?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
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> ---
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>
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[RBW] Re: first impressions of Atlantis

[Clark Fitzgerald]

John

I believe it climbs better because the long chainstays distribute more 
weight on the front wheel. The front wheel tracks straight, and stays down. 
Adding 5 pounds of gear weight to the front rack also improved this 
feeling. In contrast, on many other bikes I've found that in steep climbs 
(for example, some Bay Area fire roads) the front end will pop up or wander 
all over. 

I have my Brooks saddle adjusted all the way forward in the clamp, FWIW.


On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 7:35:11 PM UTC-7, John Hawrylak wrote:
>
> Clark
>
> Great report and a very nice build from the photos.  You mentioned the 
> Atlantis climbs better than your other bikes.  Any ideas or reasons why 
> this is so??
>
> I noticed all MIT Atlantis have a 72° STA and with your 89cm PBH, a 1° 
> slacker STA (from 73° to 72°) results in a 1.3cm increase in saddle setback.
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>

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[RBW] Pedal Strikes when Turning

[Daniel M]

I had an early orange Waterford canti-braked single top tube Hillborne in the 
early 2010s. The tradeoff of the stable high-speed handling was that the bike 
needed to be leaned really far to make a quick tight turn. The combination of 
this, the low bottom bracket, and my love of pedaling through turns meant I got 
A LOT of pedal strike. The most of any bike I've owned. And this was with 
either 165 or 167.5mm cranks (can't remember which).

This is not to disparage the bike at all, rather to simply state that my 
example was not a good candidate for pedaling through tight turns.

Daniel M
Berkeley, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cherry Blossoms Season!

[tuolumnebikes]

Mariposa and Tuolumne Counties requested NPS to shut down the park. Per 
NPS news release: As of 3:00 pm today, Friday, March 20, 2020, 
*Yosemite* National Park is *closed* to all park visitors until further 
notice. This *closure* will be enforced 24-hours a day/7-days a week and 
there will be no access permitted to *Yosemite* National Park.


So even the high country is closed. The concern is that the two counties 
have so little health care capacity to deal with people attracted to 
recreation. The Forest Service has also closed their roads to the 
primary recreation areas. It's looking like the bikes only days when 
Glacier Point Road and Tioga Pass open probably won't happen.


On 4/15/2020 7:58 AM, franklyn wrote:

Carl,

Those are very nice, thanks. I am presuming that you are near Yosemite 
National Park. I know that the park is closed, similar to many parks 
around the state. However, many state and county parks near me in the 
Bay Area are still open to non-motorized access by people on bikes and 
on foot. Do you know if that is the same situation for Yosemite?


Thanks,
Franklyn

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 7:49:05 AM UTC-7, tuolumne bikes wrote:

The Mariposa lilies are starting now. They're very simple--one
leaf, one flower growing on exposed hillsides. They are the kind
of flower that you have to watch for. The dogwood flowers are
coming soon.

My basic 13 mile out the door loop ascends a big hill (Big Hill),
wraps around the north side of the ridge on gravel and descends on
the south face on pavement. The north side has lush drainages with
dogwoods and big leaf maple--all just starting to leaf out. The
light is awesome now while the trees are still letting the sun
through.

Carl, Columbia, CA

On April 15, 2020 4:39:01 AM PDT, Takashi > wrote:

Jason,
You have gorgeous trees near you. Must be fun to ride around
in town in this season.
I can imagine drivers complaining about fallen blossoms
sticking all over their cars!

Franklyn,
I can't tell if they're cherries either, but it must be a joy
to admire them while riding. Beautiful.

Tirebiter, Steven, and Roberta,
Glad to know that you are enjoying this thread.
Cherry blossoms are already falling here, but then peach
blossoms are in full bloom.
I think I can take pictures of them next weekend.


Takashi

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[RBW] Re: First(ish) impressions of Sam Hillborne

[Jason Fuller]

Beauty of a build!  I had the same path to Rivendell ownership, landing on 
a Hillborne for basically exactly the same purposes (with a little bit of 
credit card touring mixed in).  I had a similar concern about it being a 
bit heavy duty and sluggish, coming off a lightweight randonneur frameset, 
but was also impressed by how quick and fun it is for how comfortable and 
stable it is. It's a very special bike!  

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[RBW] Re: Why I went Tubeless

[Collin A]

Hmm, good point! It barely drops below 40 where I live so ignore that 
suggestion then!

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 10:08:21 AM UTC-7, James / Analog Cycles 
wrote:
>
> FWIW, Panaracer sealant freezes at very mild temps, and becomes unusable.  
> We discovered this on a night that was in the high 20's. Our shop is not 
> heated at night and we came back to unusable sealant.  Maybe this isn't the 
> case if it's mixed.  
>
> -James
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 8:49:23 AM UTC-4, Tim Bantham wrote:
>>
>> There's been some discussion on the board lately about the pros and cons 
>> of tubeless tires. I am a tubeless believer but I wasn't always that way. I 
>> wanted to share my experiences as a way of adding some perspective to those 
>> considering giving it a go. Analog cycles is doing an Instagram live on 
>> tubeless tonight at 5:00 PM ET. You should watch it if you are remotely 
>> interested. Much of my current tubeless knowledge was gained by talking 
>> with James and Candice. Before I met the good folks at Analog I had quite a 
>> bit of experience with tubeless setups. Some good and some not so good. 
>>
>> The first thing I'll make clear is that you can continue to run tubes in 
>> your tires and be perfectly happy for the remainder of your biking life. 
>> Nothing wrong with that. Tubeless is not going to rock your world. However, 
>> there are many benefits to setting your tires up tubeless. I'd like to 
>> share those with you based on my own experiences. 
>>
>> You can run low pressure without fear of getting a pinch flat. If you are 
>> a Riv fan you already know the benefit of soft tires. Subtle ride quality 
>> with lots of cush to absorb the bumps. To me this is worth it alone but 
>> there are other benefits. 
>>
>> Much easier to fix a flat tire. True confession I rarely get a flat tire 
>> with tubeless. If you get a small puncture sometimes just riding the tire 
>> allows sealant to get into the hole and seal the tire. If it doesn't seal 
>> you have to plug the hole. Let's say you run over a nail. You can fix the 
>> flat without removing the wheel. Murphy's law is that 75% of your flats 
>> will be on the rear tire.With a tube you have to take the rear wheel off in 
>> the field. No big deal right? I know... I've done it tons of times. That 
>> said, if I can avoid doing so why wouldn't I? With tubeless you can plug 
>> the hole without removing the wheel from the bike. That to me that is a 
>> significant benefit. Of course there remains the possibility that you can 
>> get a gash in the sidewall. That happens but if you are prepared with 
>> gorilla tape and gorilla glue you can fix that without removing the wheel 
>> from the bike as well. 
>>
>> Final tips: 
>>
>>- Get the Dynapill made by Dynaplug for your tubeless repairs. 
>>- Still carry a tube with you. A tube could always be installed as a 
>>last resort but it should be rare. 
>>- Invest in a good air compressor. An air compressor is handy! The 
>>pumps that are sold claiming to seat tubeless tires don't work as 
>> claimed. 
>>I know because I own one. 
>>- Don't try to seat tubeless with a regular bicycle pump. Doesn't 
>>work and not worth the frustration. See above. 
>>- Use Orange Seal Endurance Sealant. Best sealant on the market. 
>>Blows away anything else I've ever tried. 
>>- The tubeless tape that Analog sells is fantastic! Easy to work 
>>with, has the right amount of stretch. 
>>- Don't try to set up any old rim/tire combo tubeless. Look for rims 
>>that are advertised as tubeless. I have Velocity Cliffhangers and Quills 
>> on 
>>my bikes. Both set up easily.  
>>- Buy a tubeless ready tire. 
>>- Don't worry about sealant randomly oozing out of your tire. Doesn't 
>>happen if you set everything up correctly.
>>- Use a regular bicycle pump to maintain air in your tires after 
>>successful set up. 
>>- Refill with fresh sealant every six months.
>>- Buy the Park Tools valve core remover to make adding fresh sealant 
>>easier. 
>>
>> Hit me up with any questions. Do watch the tubeless set up live show 
>> tonight on Instagram and go to Analogs website for tubeless set up tips. 
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Why I went Tubeless

[James / Analog Cycles]

FWIW, Panaracer sealant freezes at very mild temps, and becomes unusable.  
We discovered this on a night that was in the high 20's. Our shop is not 
heated at night and we came back to unusable sealant.  Maybe this isn't the 
case if it's mixed.  

-James


On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 8:49:23 AM UTC-4, Tim Bantham wrote:
>
> There's been some discussion on the board lately about the pros and cons 
> of tubeless tires. I am a tubeless believer but I wasn't always that way. I 
> wanted to share my experiences as a way of adding some perspective to those 
> considering giving it a go. Analog cycles is doing an Instagram live on 
> tubeless tonight at 5:00 PM ET. You should watch it if you are remotely 
> interested. Much of my current tubeless knowledge was gained by talking 
> with James and Candice. Before I met the good folks at Analog I had quite a 
> bit of experience with tubeless setups. Some good and some not so good. 
>
> The first thing I'll make clear is that you can continue to run tubes in 
> your tires and be perfectly happy for the remainder of your biking life. 
> Nothing wrong with that. Tubeless is not going to rock your world. However, 
> there are many benefits to setting your tires up tubeless. I'd like to 
> share those with you based on my own experiences. 
>
> You can run low pressure without fear of getting a pinch flat. If you are 
> a Riv fan you already know the benefit of soft tires. Subtle ride quality 
> with lots of cush to absorb the bumps. To me this is worth it alone but 
> there are other benefits. 
>
> Much easier to fix a flat tire. True confession I rarely get a flat tire 
> with tubeless. If you get a small puncture sometimes just riding the tire 
> allows sealant to get into the hole and seal the tire. If it doesn't seal 
> you have to plug the hole. Let's say you run over a nail. You can fix the 
> flat without removing the wheel. Murphy's law is that 75% of your flats 
> will be on the rear tire.With a tube you have to take the rear wheel off in 
> the field. No big deal right? I know... I've done it tons of times. That 
> said, if I can avoid doing so why wouldn't I? With tubeless you can plug 
> the hole without removing the wheel from the bike. That to me that is a 
> significant benefit. Of course there remains the possibility that you can 
> get a gash in the sidewall. That happens but if you are prepared with 
> gorilla tape and gorilla glue you can fix that without removing the wheel 
> from the bike as well. 
>
> Final tips: 
>
>- Get the Dynapill made by Dynaplug for your tubeless repairs. 
>- Still carry a tube with you. A tube could always be installed as a 
>last resort but it should be rare. 
>- Invest in a good air compressor. An air compressor is handy! The 
>pumps that are sold claiming to seat tubeless tires don't work as claimed. 
>I know because I own one. 
>- Don't try to seat tubeless with a regular bicycle pump. Doesn't work 
>and not worth the frustration. See above. 
>- Use Orange Seal Endurance Sealant. Best sealant on the market. Blows 
>away anything else I've ever tried. 
>- The tubeless tape that Analog sells is fantastic! Easy to work with, 
>has the right amount of stretch. 
>- Don't try to set up any old rim/tire combo tubeless. Look for rims 
>that are advertised as tubeless. I have Velocity Cliffhangers and Quills 
> on 
>my bikes. Both set up easily.  
>- Buy a tubeless ready tire. 
>- Don't worry about sealant randomly oozing out of your tire. Doesn't 
>happen if you set everything up correctly.
>- Use a regular bicycle pump to maintain air in your tires after 
>successful set up. 
>- Refill with fresh sealant every six months.
>- Buy the Park Tools valve core remover to make adding fresh sealant 
>easier. 
>
> Hit me up with any questions. Do watch the tubeless set up live show 
> tonight on Instagram and go to Analogs website for tubeless set up tips. 
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Swapping Clem H to Atlantis

[Collin A]

I am glad there are others out there with the same predicament, it makes me 
feel better!

But yes, I am on the lower end size wise on the 52 Clem H.

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 9:56:09 AM UTC-7, Jason Fuller wrote:
>
> Ha, I have a Clem H and am constantly fighting a nagging desire to upgrade 
> to an Atlantis / Joe in similar size. But for me, it's purely vanity that 
> draws me in (those lugs, those colours).  
>
> However in my case, it would be going from a 45cm Clem H to a 50cm 
> Atlantis / 51cm Appaloosa, and for me that's a pretty close comparison 
> fit-wise.  So the 52 Clem H must be a tad big for you? Or is it the 
> earlier, shorter geometry?  I know I'd be going to about a 40-50mm longer 
> bike in my hypothetical swap, but I guess that's not so much the case for 
> you. 
>
> Sorry I can't offer any actual experiences, other than empathizing with 
> your plan! 
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Why I went Tubeless

[Collin A]

I'll chime in on some of the notes below:

   - Tubeless sealant - Try using an 80/20 mix of orange seal and Panaracer 
   sealant for tires that have weeping sidewall issues when setup tubeless (RH 
   extralights, for example). I use this on the three tubeless bikes I have 
   now and found they help seal better.
   - Tubeless repair - The relatively new Stan's Dart tool has worked much 
   better than the dynaplug for me. It is also cheaper and easier to 
   reload/refill than the dynaplug.
   - Valve core remover - You can use the chain breaker or spoke wrench on 
   your multitool to remove the core. Most new-ish tools (at least 5 years 
   out) seem to be able to accomplish this task.

Great summary on tubeless, Tim!

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 5:49:23 AM UTC-7, Tim Bantham wrote:
>
> There's been some discussion on the board lately about the pros and cons 
> of tubeless tires. I am a tubeless believer but I wasn't always that way. I 
> wanted to share my experiences as a way of adding some perspective to those 
> considering giving it a go. Analog cycles is doing an Instagram live on 
> tubeless tonight at 5:00 PM ET. You should watch it if you are remotely 
> interested. Much of my current tubeless knowledge was gained by talking 
> with James and Candice. Before I met the good folks at Analog I had quite a 
> bit of experience with tubeless setups. Some good and some not so good. 
>
> The first thing I'll make clear is that you can continue to run tubes in 
> your tires and be perfectly happy for the remainder of your biking life. 
> Nothing wrong with that. Tubeless is not going to rock your world. However, 
> there are many benefits to setting your tires up tubeless. I'd like to 
> share those with you based on my own experiences. 
>
> You can run low pressure without fear of getting a pinch flat. If you are 
> a Riv fan you already know the benefit of soft tires. Subtle ride quality 
> with lots of cush to absorb the bumps. To me this is worth it alone but 
> there are other benefits. 
>
> Much easier to fix a flat tire. True confession I rarely get a flat tire 
> with tubeless. If you get a small puncture sometimes just riding the tire 
> allows sealant to get into the hole and seal the tire. If it doesn't seal 
> you have to plug the hole. Let's say you run over a nail. You can fix the 
> flat without removing the wheel. Murphy's law is that 75% of your flats 
> will be on the rear tire.With a tube you have to take the rear wheel off in 
> the field. No big deal right? I know... I've done it tons of times. That 
> said, if I can avoid doing so why wouldn't I? With tubeless you can plug 
> the hole without removing the wheel from the bike. That to me that is a 
> significant benefit. Of course there remains the possibility that you can 
> get a gash in the sidewall. That happens but if you are prepared with 
> gorilla tape and gorilla glue you can fix that without removing the wheel 
> from the bike as well. 
>
> Final tips: 
>
>- Get the Dynapill made by Dynaplug for your tubeless repairs. 
>- Still carry a tube with you. A tube could always be installed as a 
>last resort but it should be rare. 
>- Invest in a good air compressor. An air compressor is handy! The 
>pumps that are sold claiming to seat tubeless tires don't work as claimed. 
>I know because I own one. 
>- Don't try to seat tubeless with a regular bicycle pump. Doesn't work 
>and not worth the frustration. See above. 
>- Use Orange Seal Endurance Sealant. Best sealant on the market. Blows 
>away anything else I've ever tried. 
>- The tubeless tape that Analog sells is fantastic! Easy to work with, 
>has the right amount of stretch. 
>- Don't try to set up any old rim/tire combo tubeless. Look for rims 
>that are advertised as tubeless. I have Velocity Cliffhangers and Quills 
> on 
>my bikes. Both set up easily.  
>- Buy a tubeless ready tire. 
>- Don't worry about sealant randomly oozing out of your tire. Doesn't 
>happen if you set everything up correctly.
>- Use a regular bicycle pump to maintain air in your tires after 
>successful set up. 
>- Refill with fresh sealant every six months.
>- Buy the Park Tools valve core remover to make adding fresh sealant 
>easier. 
>
> Hit me up with any questions. Do watch the tubeless set up live show 
> tonight on Instagram and go to Analogs website for tubeless set up tips. 
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] FS: ChocoMoose

[Joe Bernard]

Sorry, sold. 

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[RBW] Re: Swapping Clem H to Atlantis

[Jason Fuller]

Ha, I have a Clem H and am constantly fighting a nagging desire to upgrade 
to an Atlantis / Joe in similar size. But for me, it's purely vanity that 
draws me in (those lugs, those colours).  

However in my case, it would be going from a 45cm Clem H to a 50cm Atlantis 
/ 51cm Appaloosa, and for me that's a pretty close comparison fit-wise.  So 
the 52 Clem H must be a tad big for you? Or is it the earlier, shorter 
geometry?  I know I'd be going to about a 40-50mm longer bike in my 
hypothetical swap, but I guess that's not so much the case for you. 

Sorry I can't offer any actual experiences, other than empathizing with 
your plan! 


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Re: [RBW] FS: ChocoMoose

[Jay Lonner]

Are these still available?

Jay Lonner
Bellingham, WA

Sent from my Atari 400

> On Apr 15, 2020, at 2:27 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Used, I bought it used with some signs of being on a bike. Email or text and 
> I'll send a bunch of closeup pics, here it is on my Frank Jones. 
> 
> I'll take a bath on it with UPS but I have a ChocoMoose sized box and I'd 
> like to get both out of here, 
> $80 shipped. 
> 
> joeremi62 gmail com
> Text 415 786 4623 
> 
> Joe Bernard
> Marin County CA. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Timeline

[Jason Fuller]

Right, I did know that but had forgot. Nonetheless, it seemed like an 
awfully practical addition to the lineup - I feel that there's a huge gap 
in the affordable TIG lineup between the Clem and the Roadini, where 
something akin to the Surly Pack Rat (but better executed with the latest 
Grant geom) that can hit that ~$900 price point would fit so nicely. I feel 
like there will be something in that role in the next couple years?

On Saturday, 11 April 2020 23:39:27 UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Rosco Bubbe was a project to blow through a stack of extra forks they had. 
> I don't think you'll ever see those frames again. 

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[RBW] Swapping Clem H to Atlantis

[Collin A]

Hey Folks,

I've enjoyed my Clem over the past 2 years, but have always had a nagging 
desire for an Atlantis or Apaloosa, partly for the differing ride 
characteristics, but also cause lugs and that creamy blue-green :). I 
finally realized that one of the updates in the 2020 Atlantis was a switch 
of tire size from 26" to 650b in the 50cm size. Combined with my missing 
the latest round of Apaloosas (0 for 2!) Inow see an openning to doing a 
parts switch from my current 52 Clem H to a 50 cm Atlantis and wanted to 
pull from the collective experience of the group. I have a few questions 
for folks:

   1. Is the Atlantis more of a hillibike or a country bike? I imagine 
   Hilibike thanks to the now 2.4" tire clearance and how most folks have set 
   theirs up.
  - Bill's Atlantis and another more recent build post come to mind 
   2. For folks who've run a 2" tire on the atlantis, have you noticed any 
   weird pedal strike or standover issues since the bike is designed for 
   larger tires
   3. What are some of the more unique aspects of the Atlantis that you 
   enjoy or despise?
   4. Seatpost size on the 50cm model? Assuming 26.8 but I can't find any 
   documentation
   5. Is the Atlantis easy to maneuver around the train, apartment, 
   stairwell, etc. or is it still a big bike?

Any other thoughts/differences? I am curious to hear the groups overall 
impressions of the Atlantis, especially for those who have switched between 
a few of the Rivendell models.

I'm planning to still keep the Atlantis on the hillibike side of the 
spectrum and hopefully use it to explore the sierra foothills this summer 
(or next, if California stays on the current trajectory)

Thanks all,
Collin in Sacramento

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[RBW] Re: Analog Cycles: Free Tubeless Clinic on Instagram Live

[Roberta]

James sent me this from Instagram's Help files.  
https://help.instagram.com/699289326902954

If you don't want to click on the link, here's what it says:

How do I view someone's live video on Instagram?

When someone you follow shares a live video, their profile picture will 
appear at the top of Feed with a colorful ring around it and the word *Live*. 
Tap or click their profile picture to view their live video. 

You can watch live videos on the Instagram app or on Instagram.com.

While viewing live videos

Keep in mind that when you start viewing a live video, the person sharing 
and anyone else who's viewing may be able to see that you've joined. While 
viewing someone's live video, you can leave comments, like and share it. 
Anyone who's viewing the video can see when you like or comment.

   - On the Instagram app, tap *Comment *at the bottom of the screen to 
   leave a comment, and to like their video. 
   - On Instagram.com, click *Add a comment *at the bottom right of the 
   screen to leave a comment.
   
Live video replays

If someone has shared a live video replay 
 to their story, you'll see it 
at the top of feed with a play button and colorful ring around it. Live 
video replays are only available on the Instagram app.

   - While viewing someone's live video replay, you can tap the right or 
   left side of the screen to skip forwards or backwards.
   - While you can't comment on a live video replay, you can respond to 
   someone's replay by sending a message 
    in Direct.
   - If someone has shared multiple live video replays, you can tap the 
   arrows at the top of the screen to skip between them.
   

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 10:45:21 AM UTC-4, James / Analog Cycles 
wrote:
>
> Hey my real time ability to reply to threads has been fixed...
>
> We will eventually post a video on our site.  Instagram is a tool, just 
> like this forum.  They're the same, really, and if you are ok with one... 
> the other is also valid.  
>
> We currently have a bunch of info on our site about tubeless set up, 
> component selection, tubeless repair.  If you are not into videos or moving 
> images (we all know Magic Lantern shows are the only true art form, movies 
> are passe), you should go read that stuff, which takes the form of text and 
> static images.  
>
> Here are those links: 
>
> Set up guide: 
> https://www.analogcycles.com/true-facts-components/analogs-tubeless-set-up-guide/
> parts selection: 
> https://www.analogcycles.com/tubeless-component-selection/
> tubeless maintenance: 
> https://www.analogcycles.com/true-facts-components/tubeless-maintainence-repairs/
>
> -James who doesn't have running water, a flush toilet, lives in a tent, 
> has an off the grid bike shop, uses only wood for heat but still believes 
> in Instagram Johnson
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 4:59:03 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>>
>> ***Posted on behalf of James and Candice, whose posts are delayed on the 
>> List*** 
>>
>> Analog Cycles, a Rivendell dealer out of rural Vermont has mounted 500 
>> tubeless tires and counting. They have honed their technique and are 
>> willing to share their tips on all things tubeless. James and Candice are 
>> offering us a FREE tubeless clinic. They will cover tubeless mounting, 
>> maintenance, and flat-fixing via an Instagram Live session. You will be 
>> able to ask your questions via text during the video and get your answers, 
>> straight from Analog. 
>>
>> If you’ve been considering going tubeless or if you have just wanted to 
>> know how it all works, join us Wednesday, April 15 at 5 pm EASTERN time. 
>> Most folks are working from home, so hope those from other time zones can 
>> hop on. Follow Analog Cycles on Instagram and look for them to go live 4.15 
>> at 5pm EST. 
>>
>> Thanks so much, James and Candice - I can’t wait to tune in. 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Pedal Strikes when Turning

[ted]

On any corner with the slightest chance of a pedal strike I’m either pedaling 
or have the outside foot down. Pedals at 3 and 9 is strictly for going straight 
(or sometimes through wide sweeping turns on fast descents).

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[RBW] Re: Photos of The Stable - Part 1/4: A. Homer Hilsen

[Collin A]

Thanks, and I agree with the comment about not enough short-people bikes. 
Luckily all of my bikes are in that size range so I am trying to do my part.

Cheers,
Collin in Sac

On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 6:00:53 AM UTC-7, Mark Roland wrote:
>
> Nice build Colin. I like the chainring light holder--I did the brake arm 
> variation on my last dynamo build.
>
> On Saturday, April 11, 2020 at 11:07:22 PM UTC-4, Collin A wrote:
>>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>>  
>>
>> I am working on a few pet projects with the fleet, now that I have way 
>> more time to spend at home. I started with my Fiancé's 47.5 Homer shown 
>> below, courtesy of Rivendell and my parts bin (courtesy of some of you 
>> folks!).
>>
>> [image: Penny V1.png]
>>
>> It had a nitto basket rack (now with a basket), dynamo wheelset from my 
>> clem, SKS P45 fenders, Paul Comp Racer Brakes with Dia Compe levers, Rene 
>> Herse 650x42 Babyshoe Pass, Brooks saddle, and bosco bars, set up as 1x9 
>> wth an ultegra/wolftooth combo. After the delivery of the bike and a few 
>> round-the-park rides, we decided there were a few modifications that needed 
>> to be made. See below for Homer Mk. II
>>
>> [image: IMG_20200411_154315.jpg]
>>
>> This iteration includes the B&M dynamo lights, basket, New Albion/Sugino 
>> crankset with the Silver Chainguard (the stock one was just a plain sheet 
>> of aluminum) and a wolftooth narrow-wide chainring, Sackville banasax and a 
>> safety pizza to round out the food-themed accessories. Oh, also Pitlock 
>> skewers as it serves as a commuter (in the "before-times") and round-towner 
>> in addition to a levee explorer and brewery pickup bike on the weekends. 
>> The main driver for the drivetrain mods was not having pants get snagged, 
>> and that a silver crankset looks better! The 1x drivetrain was a keeper 
>> mainly for it’s simplicity. 
>>
>>  
>>
>> See the album with more photos here: 
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/tc27ZpJR9X6umU9h9
>>
>>  
>>
>> The next iteration may involve switching the 650x42 with 48s in the form 
>> of the switchback hills, assuming they fit, and that the fenders end up 
>> being more of a nuisance. That will depend on the general use of the bike 
>> over the next year, but I think for now it is in a good place and she is 
>> happy with how the bike rides.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Hope everyone is doing well! I’ll get to the other bikes in the ol’ 
>> stable as they slowly get finished up in the next couple of weeks.
>>
>

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[RBW] Pedal Strikes when Turning

['John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Past and current Rivendell models with 700C wheels have Bottom Bracket 
Drops (BBD) in the 75 to 80 mm range.  The exceptions seem to be: 
GusBothWilson at 70mm, Legalos at 70mm, and Quickbeam at 73mm.

Is it common to have pedal strikes while turning??  Perhaps, you avoid 
pedaling when turning or cornering or hold the cranks near 3 and 9 o'clock.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

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[RBW] Re: Lighten Up: Clem Edition

[James / Analog Cycles]

A quick word of warning:  sharing build ideas is A OK, but all build specs 
that we put together are for an individual.  Wheels, tires, spokes, etc, 
need to match a rider and riding style, the weight of the rider, the bike 
and the load needs to be considered.  For example, SP's smaller diameter 
axle and thinner flanges make it less than ideal match for larger riders.  
It's best, like in the medical world, to talk to a professional wheel 
builder or mechanic with lots of experience, when considering a component 
switch.  There is no blanket recommendation out there that's applicable to 
everyone.  I'd hate to see someone copy a build we've put together, have 
shop X assemble the wheels, and then see it all fail under that rider.  In 
a way, that comes back on us, even if we didn't make the direct 
recommendation.

If you are looking for a good wheel builder, and don't want to go through 
our shop, no sweat.  Tommy at Cutlass Velo is an expert wheel builder, he'd 
also be a good guy to reach out to.  He really really cares about what he 
does.  

-James



On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 12:02:00 AM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> I’m not fully committing to this yet. Roberta and I get into trouble 
> because we talk on Marco Polo and then we get ideas and then we like each 
> other’s ideas and the next thing we know our wallets are on fire. 
>
> So, I am ordering a Cheviot, and I am spending extra $ to build it with 
> light parts. But that bike is a long way off, months, in fact. Meanwhile, 
> Roberta is giving her beloved Appaloosa a makeover and it is getting lots 
> of new parts and she’s having all the fun. And since we’re #Rivsisters and 
> I’m like that little sister who wants what her sister has, I want to 
> explore what it would take to lighten up my Clem L, which is my only bike 
> at present, and which is quite heavy. You’ll have heard me mention this in 
> Joe’s What Is A Cheviot thread. If my Clem could lose a little weight it 
> would be the most perfect bike anyone could dream up. A Susie version of 
> Clems would be just so ideal - someone should tell Riv. 
>
> Anyway, if I got aluminum Bosco bars, and new wheels (don’t ask me what 
> kind, how would I know?) would this make my bike feel considerably lighter? 
> I don’t think I can give up my front derailleur because I use it for Killer 
> Hill. And what if I wanted to add dyno while I was at it? Would that negate 
> my weight savings? Also, I’m keeping my racks; I can’t part with those. 
> Maybe I’m not the best candidate for this... 
>
> Has anyone built a Clem up with lighter parts? Does it make a big 
> difference? As in, is it worth the money? 
>
> Thanks! 
> Leah

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[RBW] Re: Why I went Tubeless

[Tim Bantham]

I've had to use the trouble shooting tips (along with a phone call to 
Candice) Extra layer of tape was all it took to solve my issue! Truly good 
stuff in those links! 

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 10:34:20 AM UTC-4, James / Analog Cycles 
wrote:
>
> Thanks Tim!  Stoked to be doing the clinic.  We also have a huge tubeless 
> tutorial on our site, with trouble shooting stuff, a pros and cons write 
> up, and all of the bits you need to get started, except an air compressor.  
>
> Here's those links:
>
> Set up guide: 
> https://www.analogcycles.com/true-facts-components/analogs-tubeless-set-up-guide/
>
> Component selection:  
> https://www.analogcycles.com/tubeless-component-selection/
>
> Maintenance and repairs:  
> https://www.analogcycles.com/true-facts-components/tubeless-maintainence-repairs/
>
> Not all tubeless stuff is created equally.  We've tried and tested a bunch 
> of rims, tapes, tires, sealants, valve stems, and honed in on what is BS 
> and what works.  There's a reason you don't see certain makers listed in 
> our articles.  It's because someone else does a better job of making X or Y.
>
> -James
>
> On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 8:49:23 AM UTC-4, Tim Bantham wrote:
>>
>> There's been some discussion on the board lately about the pros and cons 
>> of tubeless tires. I am a tubeless believer but I wasn't always that way. I 
>> wanted to share my experiences as a way of adding some perspective to those 
>> considering giving it a go. Analog cycles is doing an Instagram live on 
>> tubeless tonight at 5:00 PM ET. You should watch it if you are remotely 
>> interested. Much of my current tubeless knowledge was gained by talking 
>> with James and Candice. Before I met the good folks at Analog I had quite a 
>> bit of experience with tubeless setups. Some good and some not so good. 
>>
>> The first thing I'll make clear is that you can continue to run tubes in 
>> your tires and be perfectly happy for the remainder of your biking life. 
>> Nothing wrong with that. Tubeless is not going to rock your world. However, 
>> there are many benefits to setting your tires up tubeless. I'd like to 
>> share those with you based on my own experiences. 
>>
>> You can run low pressure without fear of getting a pinch flat. If you are 
>> a Riv fan you already know the benefit of soft tires. Subtle ride quality 
>> with lots of cush to absorb the bumps. To me this is worth it alone but 
>> there are other benefits. 
>>
>> Much easier to fix a flat tire. True confession I rarely get a flat tire 
>> with tubeless. If you get a small puncture sometimes just riding the tire 
>> allows sealant to get into the hole and seal the tire. If it doesn't seal 
>> you have to plug the hole. Let's say you run over a nail. You can fix the 
>> flat without removing the wheel. Murphy's law is that 75% of your flats 
>> will be on the rear tire.With a tube you have to take the rear wheel off in 
>> the field. No big deal right? I know... I've done it tons of times. That 
>> said, if I can avoid doing so why wouldn't I? With tubeless you can plug 
>> the hole without removing the wheel from the bike. That to me that is a 
>> significant benefit. Of course there remains the possibility that you can 
>> get a gash in the sidewall. That happens but if you are prepared with 
>> gorilla tape and gorilla glue you can fix that without removing the wheel 
>> from the bike as well. 
>>
>> Final tips: 
>>
>>- Get the Dynapill made by Dynaplug for your tubeless repairs. 
>>- Still carry a tube with you. A tube could always be installed as a 
>>last resort but it should be rare. 
>>- Invest in a good air compressor. An air compressor is handy! The 
>>pumps that are sold claiming to seat tubeless tires don't work as 
>> claimed. 
>>I know because I own one. 
>>- Don't try to seat tubeless with a regular bicycle pump. Doesn't 
>>work and not worth the frustration. See above. 
>>- Use Orange Seal Endurance Sealant. Best sealant on the market. 
>>Blows away anything else I've ever tried. 
>>- The tubeless tape that Analog sells is fantastic! Easy to work 
>>with, has the right amount of stretch. 
>>- Don't try to set up any old rim/tire combo tubeless. Look for rims 
>>that are advertised as tubeless. I have Velocity Cliffhangers and Quills 
>> on 
>>my bikes. Both set up easily.  
>>- Buy a tubeless ready tire. 
>>- Don't worry about sealant randomly oozing out of your tire. Doesn't 
>>happen if you set everything up correctly.
>>- Use a regular bicycle pump to maintain air in your tires after 
>>successful set up. 
>>- Refill with fresh sealant every six months.
>>- Buy the Park Tools valve core remover to make adding fresh sealant 
>>easier. 
>>
>> Hit me up with any questions. Do watch the tubeless set up live show 
>> tonight on Instagram and go to Analogs website for tubeless set up tips. 
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] FS: Velo Orange Zeppelin Fenders 700C 63cm New

[Ryan Thompson]

Hey everyone,

I purchased these fenders late last year for a project that did not 
materialize. They are new and ready to ship.


Velo Orange Fenders - Silver 700c Zeppelin 63cm - $50 plus shipping cost.

Photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/H4HVmFRf9fzYwEBf8


Thanks for looking,

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Re: [RBW] Lighten Up: Clem Edition

[James / Analog Cycles]

Always happy to be busy building nice wheels!  It's a good chunk of our 
business, and it's one we love doing.  I've learned so much about building 
wheels in the past 23 years of doing it.  It's nice to be able to bring 
that bear for folks... rims, spokes, even hubs are so much better today 
than they were 10 years ago.  Old rim profiles were flexy, old hubs were 
clunky and had slow engagement.  It's exciting to be able to build light 
strong wheels with low service intervals.  I think if Rivendell was being 
created now, rather than in 1994, Grant would have a very different view on 
tubeless, disc brakes, rim profiles etc.  He goes with what he knows, but 
that would a different knowledge base if he was 30 years old starting the 
company just now... I don't mean to say he's not knowledgeable, because he 
is, but rather, his perspective would be different.  

For example, light(ish) tubeless tires and stiff rims make way more sense 
than big heavy schwalbe tires and heavy, flexy rims, as they both don't get 
flats, but only one has a light feeling, zippy ride quality.  

If you were touring, you could carry TWO spare tubeless tires with the 
weight you'd save by ditching the Schwalbe Marathons.  But you wouldn't 
need to, because softer tires get less flats.  Think about very full vs 
half full water ballons.  Drop em both, which pops?

-James / Analog Cycles in the woods of Vermont

On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 10:04:37 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> The bottom line for me - which veers off into what *I* like cuz that's how 
> threads travel and I feel like I shouldn't keep guessing/presuming what 
> Leah wants - is Clems are awesome bikes and I think worthy of fancy wheels. 
>
> Which is going to translate to my upcoming custom, another frame I don't 
> expect to be particularly flyweight because I didn't order it that way. I 
> had planned to put basic wheels on and revel in the frame itself, but now 
> (Leah's fault!) I have that jones for the fanciness, too. James is going to 
> be a busy wheelbuilder soon! 
>

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[RBW] Re: First(ish) impressions of Sam Hillborne

[Tim Bantham]

Nice looking Sam build!  I too have a Sam along with a Clem and an 
Appaloosa. The Sam is great bike for going on my current version of a 
speedy road ride. The guys at MBW are good folks. I've been to the shop a 
few times and have done some rides with my Maine friends over the last 
couple of summers. 

Tim

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 10:16:39 AM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
>
> Following along on the Roadini thread...
>
> I just finished building up my Sam H. and could not be happier. I knew I 
> wanted a Rivendell, but I churned internally for years about which model 
> was going to the 'right' model for me. I was looking for something to ride 
> 70/30 road/trail, mostly unloaded and with big clearances. I had zero'd in 
> on a Sam early on but I couldn't stop thinking that it would be too 'stiff 
> and heavy' for its intended usage. My fears were completely unfounded and 
> -- to me at least -- the Sam feels just as "fast" as the Columbus SL tube'd 
> Basso frame it replaced. The only major departure (as far as ride quality 
> is concerned) is that the Sam is several orders of magnitude more 
> comfortable. 
>
> A *huge* (and long overdue) "thank you" goes out to Jason, Mike and co. at 
> Maine 
> Bike Works  for sourcing the frame and 
> working with my now wife to surprise me with it a few seasons ago. I can't 
> speak more highly of the work they do and urge anyone in the area to check 
> them out.
>
> Here's the high level build specs:
> 55cm Canti Sam Hillborne
> Campagnolo Veloce 10 Speed Ergos
> Crust Towel Rack bars
> Paul Neo Retro / Touring Canti
> 9 speed Shimano XT Shadow mech
> CX-50 front der.
> TA Zephyr crank (46/34)
> Velocity Quill rims / Generic Velocity Hubs
> Compass Snoqualmie Pass tires
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cherry Blossoms Season!

[franklyn]

Carl,

Those are very nice, thanks. I am presuming that you are near Yosemite 
National Park. I know that the park is closed, similar to many parks around 
the state. However, many state and county parks near me in the Bay Area are 
still open to non-motorized access by people on bikes and on foot. Do you 
know if that is the same situation for Yosemite?

Thanks,
Franklyn

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 7:49:05 AM UTC-7, tuolumne bikes wrote:
>
> The Mariposa lilies are starting now. They're very simple--one leaf, one 
> flower growing on exposed hillsides. They are the kind of flower that you 
> have to watch for. The dogwood flowers are coming soon. 
>
> My basic 13 mile out the door loop ascends a big hill (Big Hill), wraps 
> around the north side of the ridge on gravel and descends on the south face 
> on pavement. The north side has lush drainages with dogwoods and big leaf 
> maple--all just starting to leaf out. The light is awesome now while the 
> trees are still letting the sun through.
>
> Carl, Columbia, CA
>
> On April 15, 2020 4:39:01 AM PDT, Takashi  > wrote:
>>
>> Jason,
>> You have gorgeous trees near you. Must be fun to ride around in town in 
>> this season.
>> I can imagine drivers complaining about fallen blossoms sticking all over 
>> their cars!
>>
>> Franklyn,
>> I can't tell if they're cherries either, but it must be a joy to admire 
>> them while riding. Beautiful.
>>
>> Tirebiter, Steven, and Roberta,
>> Glad to know that you are enjoying this thread.
>> Cherry blossoms are already falling here, but then peach blossoms are in 
>> full bloom.
>> I think I can take pictures of them next weekend.
>>
>>
>> Takashi
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: 62cm MIT Atlantis photos anywhere?

[scott minor]

Very helpful!  Thank you, Mike, and James.   After seeing these photos, I'm 
thinking one of the shots on the Riv site might be a 62 after all.  Either 
way, these shots certainly satisfy my curiosity.. and that is to say, the 
62 looks good!   -Scott 

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[RBW] Re: What happened to the upside down SA thumb shifters the Riv. was selling

[James / Analog Cycles]

I second that the Sunrace shifters were less than ideal.  I'll go and be 
contrarian and say the Microshift shifters are just ok, they slip under 
load when riding off road.  You need a ratchet, and the best / strongest 
ratchet is the Dura Ace 9 speed bar con shifter.  Mount with Paul thumbies 
for a really good shifting set up.  Can also index 9 speeds... very well.  
Which Microshift... they're indexing is off.  You have to overshift and 
correct back. That's just bad engineering.  It's a feature on every 
Microshift thumbie or bar con I've used.  Can you get used to it? Yes.  
Should you have to? No.

-James / Analog Cycles 

On Friday, April 10, 2020 at 3:17:49 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> They never worked well, the clicks in friction were too indexy. The 
> 9-spedd Microshifts Riv mounts backwards in friction on Clems now are much 
> better. 

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[RBW] Re: Analog Cycles: Free Tubeless Clinic on Instagram Live

[James / Analog Cycles]

Hey my real time ability to reply to threads has been fixed...

We will eventually post a video on our site.  Instagram is a tool, just 
like this forum.  They're the same, really, and if you are ok with one... 
the other is also valid.  

We currently have a bunch of info on our site about tubeless set up, 
component selection, tubeless repair.  If you are not into videos or moving 
images (we all know Magic Lantern shows are the only true art form, movies 
are passe), you should go read that stuff, which takes the form of text and 
static images.  

Here are those links: 

Set up guide: 
https://www.analogcycles.com/true-facts-components/analogs-tubeless-set-up-guide/
parts selection: https://www.analogcycles.com/tubeless-component-selection/
tubeless maintenance: 
https://www.analogcycles.com/true-facts-components/tubeless-maintainence-repairs/

-James who doesn't have running water, a flush toilet, lives in a tent, has 
an off the grid bike shop, uses only wood for heat but still believes in 
Instagram Johnson




On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 4:59:03 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> ***Posted on behalf of James and Candice, whose posts are delayed on the 
> List*** 
>
> Analog Cycles, a Rivendell dealer out of rural Vermont has mounted 500 
> tubeless tires and counting. They have honed their technique and are 
> willing to share their tips on all things tubeless. James and Candice are 
> offering us a FREE tubeless clinic. They will cover tubeless mounting, 
> maintenance, and flat-fixing via an Instagram Live session. You will be 
> able to ask your questions via text during the video and get your answers, 
> straight from Analog. 
>
> If you’ve been considering going tubeless or if you have just wanted to 
> know how it all works, join us Wednesday, April 15 at 5 pm EASTERN time. 
> Most folks are working from home, so hope those from other time zones can 
> hop on. Follow Analog Cycles on Instagram and look for them to go live 4.15 
> at 5pm EST. 
>
> Thanks so much, James and Candice - I can’t wait to tune in. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Ideas for very unobtrusive and very QR saddlebag mounting system for non-Brooks saddles

[KenP]

Has anyopne mentioned one of the quick release behind the seat packs from 
this site:

https://kgear.eogear.com/collections/cycling-bags



On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 6:11:50 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> With my grocery bike currently away from home, I've been using my stripped 
> down gofast with Camper Longflap strapped directly to saddle rails. This is 
> not a heart-rending or earth shaking need, but it would be nice to have 
> some sort of -- I guess -- saddle-mounted or seatpost-mounted QR with which 
> I could swap quickly back and forth between a Camper or say a large 
> Saddlesack, and a small, Banana Bag-sized kit carrier -- or, for that 
> matter, the Ruthworks wedge I now have.
>
> I *do not* want a large clamp like the SQR bracket (I have several of 
> those) or even the Nitto QR mount, nor do I want something to clutter up a 
> wedge, though I certainly don't mind somewhat bulky hardware attached to a 
> large saddlebag.
>
> And I do have a stash of the VO saddle bag loops.
>
> I know that Carradice makes this: 
> https://www.carradice.co.uk/products/saddle-fixing-systems/carradice-classic-saddlebag-rack,
>  
> and I daresay one could rig it up with the VO loops, but they claim a 13 lb 
> limit and I'd like at least 20 lbs' capacity.
>
> Oh, and my bar is too narrow for full Camper or medium Sackville fitment.
>
> And I don't want to use a huge courier bag or backpack.
>
> Ideas?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> -- 
>
> ---
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 62cm MIT Atlantis photos anywhere?

[James / Analog Cycles]

Profile shot of one we built 2 winters ago:  
https://www.instagram.com/p/BqUux6cFLa1/

-james / analog cycles / tangelfoot cycles / fifth season canvas / discord 
components

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 8:10:11 AM UTC-4, scott minor wrote:
>
> Does anyone have a photo they can post?  I can't detect one on the Riv 
> site or google images and curious what a 62 actually looks like.  Seems 
> like all the arch tube examples on the net are 59's.  There are 2 different 
> arch tube side profile shots on the current Riv Atlantis page but they 
> appear to be 2 different pictures of the same sized frame.  A full build 
> picture would be ideal but frameset pic is better than nothing.  
>
> thanks!  
>

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[RBW] Re: Why I went Tubeless

[James / Analog Cycles]

Thanks Tim!  Stoked to be doing the clinic.  We also have a huge tubeless 
tutorial on our site, with trouble shooting stuff, a pros and cons write 
up, and all of the bits you need to get started, except an air compressor.  

Here's those links:

Set up guide: 
https://www.analogcycles.com/true-facts-components/analogs-tubeless-set-up-guide/

Component selection:  
https://www.analogcycles.com/tubeless-component-selection/

Maintenance and repairs:  
https://www.analogcycles.com/true-facts-components/tubeless-maintainence-repairs/

Not all tubeless stuff is created equally.  We've tried and tested a bunch 
of rims, tapes, tires, sealants, valve stems, and honed in on what is BS 
and what works.  There's a reason you don't see certain makers listed in 
our articles.  It's because someone else does a better job of making X or Y.

-James

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 8:49:23 AM UTC-4, Tim Bantham wrote:
>
> There's been some discussion on the board lately about the pros and cons 
> of tubeless tires. I am a tubeless believer but I wasn't always that way. I 
> wanted to share my experiences as a way of adding some perspective to those 
> considering giving it a go. Analog cycles is doing an Instagram live on 
> tubeless tonight at 5:00 PM ET. You should watch it if you are remotely 
> interested. Much of my current tubeless knowledge was gained by talking 
> with James and Candice. Before I met the good folks at Analog I had quite a 
> bit of experience with tubeless setups. Some good and some not so good. 
>
> The first thing I'll make clear is that you can continue to run tubes in 
> your tires and be perfectly happy for the remainder of your biking life. 
> Nothing wrong with that. Tubeless is not going to rock your world. However, 
> there are many benefits to setting your tires up tubeless. I'd like to 
> share those with you based on my own experiences. 
>
> You can run low pressure without fear of getting a pinch flat. If you are 
> a Riv fan you already know the benefit of soft tires. Subtle ride quality 
> with lots of cush to absorb the bumps. To me this is worth it alone but 
> there are other benefits. 
>
> Much easier to fix a flat tire. True confession I rarely get a flat tire 
> with tubeless. If you get a small puncture sometimes just riding the tire 
> allows sealant to get into the hole and seal the tire. If it doesn't seal 
> you have to plug the hole. Let's say you run over a nail. You can fix the 
> flat without removing the wheel. Murphy's law is that 75% of your flats 
> will be on the rear tire.With a tube you have to take the rear wheel off in 
> the field. No big deal right? I know... I've done it tons of times. That 
> said, if I can avoid doing so why wouldn't I? With tubeless you can plug 
> the hole without removing the wheel from the bike. That to me that is a 
> significant benefit. Of course there remains the possibility that you can 
> get a gash in the sidewall. That happens but if you are prepared with 
> gorilla tape and gorilla glue you can fix that without removing the wheel 
> from the bike as well. 
>
> Final tips: 
>
>- Get the Dynapill made by Dynaplug for your tubeless repairs. 
>- Still carry a tube with you. A tube could always be installed as a 
>last resort but it should be rare. 
>- Invest in a good air compressor. An air compressor is handy! The 
>pumps that are sold claiming to seat tubeless tires don't work as claimed. 
>I know because I own one. 
>- Don't try to seat tubeless with a regular bicycle pump. Doesn't work 
>and not worth the frustration. See above. 
>- Use Orange Seal Endurance Sealant. Best sealant on the market. Blows 
>away anything else I've ever tried. 
>- The tubeless tape that Analog sells is fantastic! Easy to work with, 
>has the right amount of stretch. 
>- Don't try to set up any old rim/tire combo tubeless. Look for rims 
>that are advertised as tubeless. I have Velocity Cliffhangers and Quills 
> on 
>my bikes. Both set up easily.  
>- Buy a tubeless ready tire. 
>- Don't worry about sealant randomly oozing out of your tire. Doesn't 
>happen if you set everything up correctly.
>- Use a regular bicycle pump to maintain air in your tires after 
>successful set up. 
>- Refill with fresh sealant every six months.
>- Buy the Park Tools valve core remover to make adding fresh sealant 
>easier. 
>
> Hit me up with any questions. Do watch the tubeless set up live show 
> tonight on Instagram and go to Analogs website for tubeless set up tips. 
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Why I went Tubeless

[ascpgh]

My tubeless journey got under way just as C19 got going. I have a set of 650b 
Pacenti Brevets with RH Babyshoe Pass mounted. All’s well and maybe I’ll better 
for not starting with tubes at this width (650b x 42).

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh 

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Re: [RBW] Re: For salvage sale, Ibis Cousin IT tandem

[Will Rhea]

Hi Rob,

I did get in touch with Ibis, about finding decals (there are! chuckibis.com
)

I'm glad it's going to get fixed but I just won't be able to keep it - no
room!  But I didn't want to see the frame scrapped and parts cannibalized.

Looking for a good home for it, maybe somebody with young kids coming into
it...  I should see if I can find the old crank shorteners for it, and the
original Ibis (flat) stem

-br






On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 7:20 AM Rob Kristoff  wrote:

> So are you going to keep it, Bill? That's a rare and nearly mythical
> beast! But I imagine storing 2 tandems would be difficult.
>
> Have you gotten in touch with Ibis? Seems like they're pretty active
> sending out newsletters and such. Maybe they'd want to let Ibisians (as
> they say) know about your sale?
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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones, Losco Bars

[Philip Williamson]

Joe, do you have links to Grant writing about a new singlespeed bike?
I missed that, and and enjoyable hour reading recent blahg posts didn’t turn 
anything up.

It sure seems like we talk less about Grant’s writing than we used to. When we 
do it’s pretty me,or able, though

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

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[RBW] Re: For salvage sale, Ibis Cousin IT tandem

[Rob Kristoff]

So are you going to keep it, Bill? That's a rare and nearly mythical beast! But 
I imagine storing 2 tandems would be difficult. 

Have you gotten in touch with Ibis? Seems like they're pretty active sending 
out newsletters and such. Maybe they'd want to let Ibisians (as they say) know 
about your sale?

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[RBW] Re: Why I went Tubeless

[greenteadrinkers]

This is awesome, thanks for pulling this together! I recently had a pair of 
wheels built with Cliffhangers with Hurricane Ridge tubeless tires for my 
SimpleOne. Really had no clue what tubeless meant, for me, I was like, is 
that some sort of sew-up deal? But hell no, really cool improvement in the 
tire department. Great to know that James is net-casting a a tubeless 
how-to!

Scott
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On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 8:49:23 AM UTC-4, Tim Bantham wrote:
>
> There's been some discussion on the board lately about the pros and cons 
> of tubeless tires. I am a tubeless believer but I wasn't always that way. I 
> wanted to share my experiences as a way of adding some perspective to those 
> considering giving it a go. Analog cycles is doing an Instagram live on 
> tubeless tonight at 5:00 PM ET. You should watch it if you are remotely 
> interested. Much of my current tubeless knowledge was gained by talking 
> with James and Candice. Before I met the good folks at Analog I had quite a 
> bit of experience with tubeless setups. Some good and some not so good. 
>
> The first thing I'll make clear is that you can continue to run tubes in 
> your tires and be perfectly happy for the remainder of your biking life. 
> Nothing wrong with that. Tubeless is not going to rock your world. However, 
> there are many benefits to setting your tires up tubeless. I'd like to 
> share those with you based on my own experiences. 
>
> You can run low pressure without fear of getting a pinch flat. If you are 
> a Riv fan you already know the benefit of soft tires. Subtle ride quality 
> with lots of cush to absorb the bumps. To me this is worth it alone but 
> there are other benefits. 
>
> Much easier to fix a flat tire. True confession I rarely get a flat tire 
> with tubeless. If you get a small puncture sometimes just riding the tire 
> allows sealant to get into the hole and seal the tire. If it doesn't seal 
> you have to plug the hole. Let's say you run over a nail. You can fix the 
> flat without removing the wheel. Murphy's law is that 75% of your flats 
> will be on the rear tire.With a tube you have to take the rear wheel off in 
> the field. No big deal right? I know... I've done it tons of times. That 
> said, if I can avoid doing so why wouldn't I? With tubeless you can plug 
> the hole without removing the wheel from the bike. That to me that is a 
> significant benefit. Of course there remains the possibility that you can 
> get a gash in the sidewall. That happens but if you are prepared with 
> gorilla tape and gorilla glue you can fix that without removing the wheel 
> from the bike as well. 
>
> Final tips: 
>
>- Get the Dynapill made by Dynaplug for your tubeless repairs. 
>- Still carry a tube with you. A tube could always be installed as a 
>last resort but it should be rare. 
>- Invest in a good air compressor. An air compressor is handy! The 
>pumps that are sold claiming to seat tubeless tires don't work as claimed. 
>I know because I own one. 
>- Don't try to seat tubeless with a regular bicycle pump. Doesn't work 
>and not worth the frustration. See above. 
>- Use Orange Seal Endurance Sealant. Best sealant on the market. Blows 
>away anything else I've ever tried. 
>- The tubeless tape that Analog sells is fantastic! Easy to work with, 
>has the right amount of stretch. 
>- Don't try to set up any old rim/tire combo tubeless. Look for rims 
>that are advertised as tubeless. I have Velocity Cliffhangers and Quills 
> on 
>my bikes. Both set up easily.  
>- Buy a tubeless ready tire. 
>- Don't worry about sealant randomly oozing out of your tire. Doesn't 
>happen if you set everything up correctly.
>- Use a regular bicycle pump to maintain air in your tires after 
>successful set up. 
>- Refill with fresh sealant every six months.
>- Buy the Park Tools valve core remover to make adding fresh sealant 
>easier. 
>
> Hit me up with any questions. Do watch the tubeless set up live show 
> tonight on Instagram and go to Analogs website for tubeless set up tips. 
>
> Tim
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Re: [RBW] Re: In Praise of the Roadini

[Robert Gardner]

Have to agree. I have a 2x1 roadini that it looks like the folks at Riv built 
up for fun (33 1/3 Jack Browns are nice!) — I added towel crust rack bars on 
it, front dynamo, rear swift zeitgeist (with Carradice rack for quick 
breakaway...) and I’ve been riding pretty much everything in and around DC 
pretty much every day since. Have done a few longer rides 50/60 mile rides and 
it is just as sweet heading to the store at the top of my street.

Stable, responsive, quick power transfer and...it’s just a gorgeous bike. 

Strong recommend. It’s my second Riv but I am riding it more than any other 
bike these days. 

Rg in DC  

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> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:02 PM, Dave Grossman  wrote:
> 
> 
> It is the social distancing bike of choice!  Less road traffic, other than 
> drag racing morons, and no one to breathe upon me!
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Re: [RBW] Re: For salvage sale, Ibis Cousin IT tandem

[Chris Corral]

CB cycles in Oakland is very experienced. He apprenticed with Mikkelson for 
a few years. Doing a lot of repairs these days, and he loves weird projects.

https://www.cbcycles.com/



On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 5:05:10 PM UTC-7, Bill Rhea wrote:
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> Thanks Joe, I will reach out to him.
>
> Cheers,
>
> -br
>
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 1:31 PM Joe Bernard  > wrote:
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>> Steve Rex in Sacramento should be able to help if you want to fix that 
>> frame. Or Fitz in Santa Rosa..I'm not sure if he normally does repairs but 
>> he's a good frame builder. 
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[RBW] Re: FS: 26in Generator Front Wheel Velocity NoBS Rim, Shutter precision SV-8 Hub, 36h

[Alberto Robador]

The Wheel has been claimed! Thanks for saving the 26" wheel!

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[RBW] Re: WTB: TA cranks

[Sean Hipkin]

Update: I found some from a previous post on here. Thanks RBW List!

On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 7:01:56 AM UTC-7, Sean Hipkin wrote:
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> I've been looking for some 170-175 TA cranks. Or something similar, Sun 
> XCD/Stronglight. With or without chainrings. Let me know if you want to let 
> some go!
>
> Thanks
>
> Sean
>

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[RBW] Re: Another Clem fender conundrum

[James / Analog Cycles]

If you want to support a bike shop instead of a hardware store (not that we 
don't like hardware stores!), Analog sells spacers and stainless bolts in 
all sorts of lengths for this kinda application.  Aluminum spacers are 
gunna be way better than a cork, which is too compressible / springy for 
rough riding.  

Spacers:  https://www.analogcycles.com/product/alloy-bolt-spacers-m5-m6/
Bolts: https://www.analogcycles.com/product/m5-m6-stainless-bolts/

-James 

On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 12:46:51 AM UTC-4, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> Well after 3 years, I decided to finally put the fenders on that I had 
> purchased with the bike.  There was a drenching on a rather cold day (for 
> Texas in March) a few weeks back, and I can't have that road grime all over 
> me again.
>
> Thoughts of, oh why oh why didn't I just pay the $40 or whatever it was 
> to have Rivendell put them on before shipping the bike? Come to mind at 
> times like these.
>
> So anyway the front fender went pretty well but the back fender was a 
> train wreck/dumpster fire (pick one).  The fender line is a disaster.  
> There must be at least three inches between the fender and the tire near 
> the seat stay.  I put the bike in the stand and took the fender back off.
>
> I need a long bolt and something like a wine cork to create some shim 
> space there.  I have seen these done before on other bikes
>
> Does anyone have suggestions?  I would prefer to order the bolt online.  I 
> have lots of wine corks and other assorted washers lying around.
>
> Pics at https://photos.app.goo.gl/LTC6BnG1T9WXK2jXA of the front and rear.
>
> Jim
> Leander, TX
>
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