Re: [RBW] Re: A Raspberry Racing Platypus and a QuickGrilver Clem Vs.A Roadie on Killer Hill

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Rich, 

I wonder the same. I haven't been involved with Riv for as long as most of 
you, but since 2012 I can't think of a more exciting bike. Hopelessly 
biased, I know, but I'm  sticking to it. There's magic in the Riv mixtes.
Leah

On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 8:03:43 AM UTC-7 RichS wrote:

> Delightful mother and son story:-) Makes me wonder if any Rivendell model 
> has ever generated this kind of anticipation and enthusiasm? Carry on Leah!
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 1:10:22 AM UTC-4 JAS wrote:
>
>> I just love the image of you guys “lying in wait” for the next roadie 
>> to underestimate you and Baby Bear.  You tell a good story, Leah!  Thanks 
>> for the latest tale of the raspberry Platy.
>> On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 8:42:29 PM UTC-7 Curtis wrote:
>>
>>> Could be called a paddle.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2021, 8:32 PM Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>>
 You guys are funnier than I am. 

 Baby Bear needs a racing Platypus, don’t you think? That green one 
 might do the trick - we need a catchy name. We’ll wait at the bottom of 
 Killer Hill for roadies to appear and then we’ll throw down the gauntlet. 
 Or something. What do you call a gathering of Platypuses? 

 Sent from my iPad

 On Mar 15, 2021, at 7:27 PM, dougP  wrote:

 
 Joe:


 * "When he gets close I close my mouth, slow my breathing and smile at 
 him so he won’t know I am actually about to die. He averts his eyes but he 
 does say hi."*

 *That's a stone cold assassin right there. Obliterated him! *

 Do NOT mess with this woman!  Matching luggage beats matching kit every 
 time.  

 doug

 On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 6:57:59 PM UTC-7 Ray Varella wrote:

> I think you should change the title to “the power of the ruby 
> slipper”. 
>
> Ray
>
> On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 3:25:51 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:
>
>> Well, I guess that's one story he won't be telling his wife: 
>> "beautiful raspberry bike, with raspberry helmet, RandiJo bag, gloves 
>> and 
>> Hydro-flask just whirled by me UP KILLER HILL.  But I did beat the 
>> little 
>> one."  
>>
>> I say give it a year for the little one.
>>
>> LOVE the story (and all the raspberry).
>>
>> On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 11:41:36 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> [image: 269F6687-1E73-4DC9-ABC6-A84D0D1AE0A9.jpeg]Today Baby Bear 
>>> (he’s 12) accompanied me on a ride. We were just beginning our ascent 
>>> of 
>>> Killer Hill when we noticed a roadie up ahead. He was on the path, and 
>>> not 
>>> the road, and his Lycra was rather tight. He had the glasses, the 
>>> carbon, 
>>> the kit - he was telling the world he was LEGIT. I wasn’t buying it. I 
>>> looked at my son, who was looking at me and mirroring my expression. 
>>>
>>> “Let’s get him,” I said.
>>>
>>> Now, let me set this scene for you. My son is about 60 pounds. He’s 
>>> piloting a 45 cm Clem H with a large Nitto rear rack and basket, and a 
>>> couple of handlebar bags. Huge 2 inch Kenda tires on those heavy stock 
>>> Clem 
>>> wheels. His bike weighs half his body weight, I’ll bet. And worse, he’s 
>>> out 
>>> of practice. He used to dance up that hill, but he doesn’t negotiate 
>>> Killer 
>>> Hill much these days (my kids are in virtual school so no bike 
>>> commute)...but facts be darned, we’ve decided. 
>>>
>>> Baby Bear has a strong start, and I follow behind. He rings his bell 
>>> to alert the roadie to our presence. The roadie is NOT expecting anyone 
>>> else to be climbing this hill on a bike, and especially not passing 
>>> him, so 
>>> it doesn’t compute and he misses it. I give him two pretty Spurcycle 
>>> dings 
>>> and an “on your left” and then he knows. We shoot past him at a higher 
>>> speed than we’d ever normally take and again, exchange looks, this time 
>>> worried ones. Our incline is rapidly increasing and we are going too 
>>> fast. 
>>> We have 3/4 of a mile to go. Baby Bear is standing on his pedals and 
>>> breathing hard.
>>>
>>> “Well, we’re committed now,” I tell him. And I mean it. I can’t slow 
>>> down even if it kills me. I’m going to ride my raspberry racing 
>>> Platypus up 
>>> Killer Hill with my Saddlesack and unicorn Platypus pin and if I go 
>>> into 
>>> cardiac arrest at the top it will have been worth it. 
>>>
>>> I don’t realize I’ve dropped my kid. When I do, I see that he has 
>>> been passed by the roadie after he (OH COME ON) stopped to take a drink 
>>> of 
>>> water. The roadie and his unfortunate Lycra are now in the middle of a 
>>> Peterson sandwich. 
>>>
>>> I’m separated from my son; I can no longer see him, and it worries 
>>

[RBW] FS-Clem L 64 --New

[a spen]

Hi Folks,
I ordered this 64 Clem-L, along with most of the bits for the build, but 
then ended up going a different direction. So, rather than bothering Grant 
and co. with a return I thought I would offer it to the group.
 
A couple of configurations possible for how it could be purchased, this is 
what I have in mind:

--F/F/HS (w/ BB & seat post) & Cliff Hanger rims outfitted with 2.8 
Teravail tubeless gumwall tires, Silver hubs ($1350)

--F/F/HS (BB & seat post) $900

--A complete build may also be possible if interested.

Frame is lovely Riv Blue, and has not yet been assembled or ridden. Pics 
available soon. 
Prices include shipping CONUS.

Please PM me and let me know what you think.  Thanks!

Al

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[RBW] Re: Intro from Pittsburgh

[Rusty Click]

Welcome Josh!  Great looking bikes.
I ride around da 'Burgh on a 62 Atlantis or my 60 S. Hillborne however, 
this year has kept me mostly in the S. Hills. While I don't commute on my 
bike (retired), I love riding out to various spots to find neighborhood 
coffee shops, bakeries, see the eagles, etc.   My friends and I have done a 
few S24O's...they are a good way to see different sections of  trails.  I 
occasionally provide bike guide service for day trips and group rides with 
a local outfitter too.  There are plenty of good riding here in Pittsburgh. 
 Hopefully, we'll run into each other!

Rusty Click

On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 2:38:54 PM UTC-4 joshuamarx wrote:

> Thanks for the welcomes!
> Roberta: bite-sized GAP rides sound like a good idea. My wife and I are 
> thinking of doing a one-night ride on the GAP this summer. I had assumed we 
> would just leave from town and try to make it to Ohiopyle, but maybe we 
> should consider driving out and starting somewhere on the trail rather than 
> spend 1/4 of our miles getting out of town (and familiar miles, at that). 
> I'm sure this group would generate some decent recommendations...
>
> Andy: I hope you heal up soon. I've noticed some of your PGH posts in the 
> past, but don't think I have come across you IRL. 
> Josh
> On Tuesday, March 9, 2021 at 5:22:24 PM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> Welcome Josh, from another orange Rivendell rider in Pittsburgh. I 
>> usually commute year round east end to CHP but have been off all winter 
>> following some non-bike related shoulder surgery. 
>>
>> I'll contribute to finding some non-commuting rides this spring as I get 
>> back on the bike. It's bountiful and always possible to provide fun day or 
>> night around here!
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>> On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 4:12:27 PM UTC-5 joshuamarx wrote:
>>
>>> Hello!
>>> I've been spending time on this group for years, for inspiration and 
>>> information, and for general entertainment. It's high time I join the group 
>>> properly so I can contribute every once in a while.
>>>
>>> I'm a proud owner of a 60cm 1st gen (I think) Cheviot, and a 59 cm MIT 
>>> Atlantis--one of the demo completes that Riv sold a while back. Links to 
>>> pictures are below (crossing my fingers that they come through properly). 
>>>
>>> Pre-COVID, 99% of my riding was commuting (downtown Pittsburgh) and 
>>> errand running. The non-commuting of COVID has really cut into my bike 
>>> time--I may need to figure out how to work recreational rides into my life 
>>> this spring!
>>> Best,
>>> Josh
>>>
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1N8pdNanpBNGSY7fOQjHTdaXfIaXPgwP7/view?usp=sharing
>>>
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eghSVYdTjSB2zc3nzY9X8cz8dgQvIbLl/view?usp=sharing
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[David Hays]

Darn, that Ebisu looks like a deal!
I’m awaiting delivery of a new frame in the drive now. Stop!
David Hays
Buffalo, New York

> On Mar 13, 2021, at 6:07 PM, Jeffrey S  wrote:
> 
> Not a Rivendell, but a VERY nice Ebisu touring bike from Jitensha Studio in 
> Berkeley. Located in Portland, OR.
> 
> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-ebisu-jitensha-study-touring/7290768177.html
>  
> 
> On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 9:14:55 PM UTC-8 Jingy wrote:
> Bleriot frameset
> 57cm
> $400
> Minneapolis MN
> https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/bik/d/amherst-rivendell-bleriot-frame-57-cm/7289878456.html
>  
> 
> On Monday, February 22, 2021 at 7:47:58 PM UTC-6 Matthew Williams wrote:
> Clem Smith Jr. 
> 45cm 
> $1000 
> Waterford, ME 
> https://maine.craigslist.org/bik/d/north-waterford-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7280189187.html
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> Clem Smith Jr. 
> 52cm 
> $1250 
> Seattle, WA 
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-52cm-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7281407780.html
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> Betty Foy 
> 54cm 
> $1000 
> Berkeley, CA 
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/berkeley-custom-rivendell-betty-foy/7280374983.html
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
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[RBW] Re: Susie/Wolbis Front-Center Question

[Shoji Takahashi]

Hi, 
I think F-C is an important parameter for Grant's designs. Here's a 
thread: 
https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/dW25Rl2Qf3M/m/FL_RhSQwAwAJ

I think Joe's point about the type of handlebar to which he's designing the 
frame around is important, and has permitted him to expand F-C over the 
years in other models. 

Grant designs for where he rides (and how he rides). If your ride 
conditions are different, it might not work as well for you. Longer chain 
stays probably help quite a bit on steep hard-pack dirt for climbing and 
descending. East Bay trails aren't rooted like New England trails, so 
popping up front wheel or other MTB-maneuvers isn't as important. For me, 
my low-trail bike washes out on loose dirt trails compared to my Riv. 

Good luck!
shoji
Arlington MA

On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 2:39:33 PM UTC-4 reca...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> Since I've been *very* slowly getting into DIY framebuilding over the 
> past few years, and by way of it, trying to better understand why some 
> geometries work for me and my kind of riding over others, I have come to 
> appreciate the method of builders like Waltworks in terms of using 
> front-center as a guide for putting together a frame geometry with relation 
> to getting the rider's weight distribution the way they want it (i.e. 
> getting the bike to ride and fit the way one wants).
>
> A corollary to this is that a builder might then use, like Waltworks the 
> following method (paraphrased):
>
>
>1. pick the trail you want
>2. pick where you want your wheels to be
>3. pick BB height
>4. make sure the person can then fit the bike in the desired 
>position(s) through HT length, stem, bars, etc.
>
> So my long-winded question is, with Grant's emphasis on getting more 
> upright and weight to the back while making the chainstays longer to 
> accommodate this, what might be the corresponding logic of making the 
> front-center length of the Susie/Wolbis almost so long? Is it a matter of 
> making the total wheelbase longer or a function of the slacker HT and 
> corresponding fork offset/trail), a combo? Perhaps I am wondering most 
> importantly is, what are the ride characteristics of such a choice? Does it 
> still handle in the way that most other high-trail bikes characteristically 
> do? I ask because I am really interested in this design, understand the 
> benefits of longer chainstays especially for my kind of more upright 
> position and preferred weight distribution, but have still found that my 
> favorite kind of bike that I have ridden so far has a longish rear-center, 
> lowish trail, and a  front-center about 10cm shorter than that of the 
> Susie. I am by no means a low trail evangelist, so  I guess what I am 
> looking for are some impressions in terms of front-end handling of the 
> bike? 
>
> Thank you all and please excuse (direct me to the discussions) if this has 
> been covered here before. 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

M. Bleriot a été en guerre! Really, a crankset with no rings? Who does that?

--Eric Norris
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> On Mar 13, 2021, at 3:07 PM, Jeffrey S  wrote:
> 
> Not a Rivendell, but a VERY nice Ebisu touring bike from Jitensha Studio in 
> Berkeley. Located in Portland, OR.
> 
> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-ebisu-jitensha-study-touring/7290768177.html
>  
> 
> On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 9:14:55 PM UTC-8 Jingy wrote:
> Bleriot frameset
> 57cm
> $400
> Minneapolis MN
> https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/bik/d/amherst-rivendell-bleriot-frame-57-cm/7289878456.html
>  
> 
> On Monday, February 22, 2021 at 7:47:58 PM UTC-6 Matthew Williams wrote:
> Clem Smith Jr. 
> 45cm 
> $1000 
> Waterford, ME 
> https://maine.craigslist.org/bik/d/north-waterford-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7280189187.html
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> Clem Smith Jr. 
> 52cm 
> $1250 
> Seattle, WA 
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-52cm-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7281407780.html
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> Betty Foy 
> 54cm 
> $1000 
> Berkeley, CA 
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/berkeley-custom-rivendell-betty-foy/7280374983.html
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie/Wolbis Front-Center Question

[James Valiensi]

Hi,
Longer wheel bases make the bike ride smoother and (to a degree) more stable. 
The really long rear chain-stays are good for carrying bags, because your heals 
do hit them. 
Long chain-stays are harder to ride off road, because they make it harder to 
lift the front (wheelie) over stuff.  
Making the chain-stays so long that the user has to buy two chains to make a 
drive train is a little cruel. 
I could cut four inches off my Joe A chain-stays and be happy with it. 

> On Mar 16, 2021, at 1:57 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Riffing slightly off Garth's very Garthy statement, "no one knows why it 
> works" is kinda Grant's vibe and why he doesn't like to answer "How long is 
> the toptube?" I gave him my PBH (plus he's seen me) and told him what I 
> wanted my custom to be like and he said "Sounds good, I'll call you when it's 
> ready." Numbers? I didn't need any stinking NUMBERS! 
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 1:38:54 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
> Because the spread out wheels is like riding a horse in stride.  Yes, I 
> thought of a techie answer, but frankly that never says anything of substance 
> that anyone can instantly if ever relate to. It's like the teacher talking in 
> Charlie Brown . wah wah wah .. whatever !  
> 
> 
> Picture riding a horse .. feel that stability that sureness of the 
> hooves flying through the air and landing in grace and elegance . that 
> "wow" ... that smile on your face .  
> 
> What's funny to me is that despite all the theories of the world, still no 
> one has a clue of "how life works" because trying to figure things out is 
> "barking up the wrong tree". It's never happen cuz nothing ever happen-ed. 
> . teeheehee. 
> On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 2:53:55 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
> My very non-knowledgeable answer is the long front-center allows for high 
> stack-height and a slack fork angle with way-reach-back bars like Boscos 
> without cramping the rider. My custom was specifically designed for those 
> bars and to be ridden with them way up there to accommodate arthritis in my 
> hands (I can't lean forward much) and the front-center is wa longer than 
> I would have believed would work for me. It's perfect and turns similar to 
> every other Riv I've owned. 
> 
> Summary: I think it matters a lot what bars you're going to use. Most Rivs 
> these days aren't designed with straight-and-flat bars or drops. 
> 
> On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 11:39:33 AM UTC-7 reca...@gmail.com <> wrote:
> Hello All,
> 
> Since I've been very slowly getting into DIY framebuilding over the past few 
> years, and by way of it, trying to better understand why some geometries work 
> for me and my kind of riding over others, I have come to appreciate the 
> method of builders like Waltworks in terms of using front-center as a guide 
> for putting together a frame geometry with relation to getting the rider's 
> weight distribution the way they want it (i.e. getting the bike to ride and 
> fit the way one wants).
> 
> A corollary to this is that a builder might then use, like Waltworks the 
> following method (paraphrased):
> 
> pick the trail you want
> pick where you want your wheels to be
> pick BB height
> make sure the person can then fit the bike in the desired position(s) through 
> HT length, stem, bars, etc.
> So my long-winded question is, with Grant's emphasis on getting more upright 
> and weight to the back while making the chainstays longer to accommodate 
> this, what might be the corresponding logic of making the front-center length 
> of the Susie/Wolbis almost so long? Is it a matter of making the total 
> wheelbase longer or a function of the slacker HT and corresponding fork 
> offset/trail), a combo? Perhaps I am wondering most importantly is, what are 
> the ride characteristics of such a choice? Does it still handle in the way 
> that most other high-trail bikes characteristically do? I ask because I am 
> really interested in this design, understand the benefits of longer 
> chainstays especially for my kind of more upright position and preferred 
> weight distribution, but have still found that my favorite kind of bike that 
> I have ridden so far has a longish rear-center, lowish trail, and a  
> front-center about 10cm shorter than that of the Susie. I am by no means a 
> low trail evangelist, so  I guess what I am looking for are some impressions 
> in terms of front-end handling of the bike? 
> 
> Thank you all and please excuse (direct me to the discussions) if this has 
> been covered here before. 
> 
> 
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[RBW] Re: Susie/Wolbis Front-Center Question

[Joe Bernard]

Riffing slightly off Garth's very Garthy statement, "no one knows why it 
works" is kinda Grant's vibe and why he doesn't like to answer "How long is 
the toptube?" I gave him my PBH (plus he's seen me) and told him what I 
wanted my custom to be like and he said "Sounds good, I'll call you when 
it's ready." Numbers? I didn't need any stinking NUMBERS! 


On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 1:38:54 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:

> Because the spread out wheels is like riding a horse in stride.  Yes, I 
> thought of a techie answer, but frankly that never says anything of 
> substance that anyone can instantly if ever relate to. It's like the 
> teacher talking in Charlie Brown . wah wah wah .. whatever !  
>
>
> Picture riding a horse .. feel that stability that sureness of the 
> hooves flying through the air and landing in grace and elegance . that 
> "wow" ... that smile on your face .  
>
> What's funny to me is that despite all the theories of the world, still no 
> one has a clue of "how life works" because trying to figure things out 
> is "barking up the wrong tree". It's never happen cuz nothing ever 
> happen-ed. . teeheehee. 
> On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 2:53:55 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> My very non-knowledgeable answer is the long front-center allows for high 
>> stack-height and a slack fork angle with way-reach-back bars like Boscos 
>> without cramping the rider. My custom was specifically designed for those 
>> bars and to be ridden with them way up there to accommodate arthritis in my 
>> hands (I can't lean forward much) and the front-center is wa longer 
>> than I would have believed would work for me. It's perfect and turns 
>> similar to every other Riv I've owned. 
>>
>> Summary: I think it matters a lot what bars you're going to use. Most 
>> Rivs these days aren't designed with straight-and-flat bars or drops. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 11:39:33 AM UTC-7 reca...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> Since I've been *very* slowly getting into DIY framebuilding over the 
>>> past few years, and by way of it, trying to better understand why some 
>>> geometries work for me and my kind of riding over others, I have come to 
>>> appreciate the method of builders like Waltworks in terms of using 
>>> front-center as a guide for putting together a frame geometry with relation 
>>> to getting the rider's weight distribution the way they want it (i.e. 
>>> getting the bike to ride and fit the way one wants).
>>>
>>> A corollary to this is that a builder might then use, like Waltworks the 
>>> following method (paraphrased):
>>>
>>>
>>>1. pick the trail you want
>>>2. pick where you want your wheels to be
>>>3. pick BB height
>>>4. make sure the person can then fit the bike in the desired 
>>>position(s) through HT length, stem, bars, etc.
>>>
>>> So my long-winded question is, with Grant's emphasis on getting more 
>>> upright and weight to the back while making the chainstays longer to 
>>> accommodate this, what might be the corresponding logic of making the 
>>> front-center length of the Susie/Wolbis almost so long? Is it a matter of 
>>> making the total wheelbase longer or a function of the slacker HT and 
>>> corresponding fork offset/trail), a combo? Perhaps I am wondering most 
>>> importantly is, what are the ride characteristics of such a choice? Does it 
>>> still handle in the way that most other high-trail bikes characteristically 
>>> do? I ask because I am really interested in this design, understand the 
>>> benefits of longer chainstays especially for my kind of more upright 
>>> position and preferred weight distribution, but have still found that my 
>>> favorite kind of bike that I have ridden so far has a longish rear-center, 
>>> lowish trail, and a  front-center about 10cm shorter than that of the 
>>> Susie. I am by no means a low trail evangelist, so  I guess what I am 
>>> looking for are some impressions in terms of front-end handling of the 
>>> bike? 
>>>
>>> Thank you all and please excuse (direct me to the discussions) if this 
>>> has been covered here before. 
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Susie/Wolbis Front-Center Question

[Garth]

Because the spread out wheels is like riding a horse in stride.  Yes, I 
thought of a techie answer, but frankly that never says anything of 
substance that anyone can instantly if ever relate to. It's like the 
teacher talking in Charlie Brown . wah wah wah .. whatever !  


Picture riding a horse .. feel that stability that sureness of the 
hooves flying through the air and landing in grace and elegance . that 
"wow" ... that smile on your face .  

What's funny to me is that despite all the theories of the world, still no 
one has a clue of "how life works" because trying to figure things out 
is "barking up the wrong tree". It's never happen cuz nothing ever 
happen-ed. . teeheehee. 
On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 2:53:55 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> My very non-knowledgeable answer is the long front-center allows for high 
> stack-height and a slack fork angle with way-reach-back bars like Boscos 
> without cramping the rider. My custom was specifically designed for those 
> bars and to be ridden with them way up there to accommodate arthritis in my 
> hands (I can't lean forward much) and the front-center is wa longer 
> than I would have believed would work for me. It's perfect and turns 
> similar to every other Riv I've owned. 
>
> Summary: I think it matters a lot what bars you're going to use. Most Rivs 
> these days aren't designed with straight-and-flat bars or drops. 
>
> On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 11:39:33 AM UTC-7 reca...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> Since I've been *very* slowly getting into DIY framebuilding over the 
>> past few years, and by way of it, trying to better understand why some 
>> geometries work for me and my kind of riding over others, I have come to 
>> appreciate the method of builders like Waltworks in terms of using 
>> front-center as a guide for putting together a frame geometry with relation 
>> to getting the rider's weight distribution the way they want it (i.e. 
>> getting the bike to ride and fit the way one wants).
>>
>> A corollary to this is that a builder might then use, like Waltworks the 
>> following method (paraphrased):
>>
>>
>>1. pick the trail you want
>>2. pick where you want your wheels to be
>>3. pick BB height
>>4. make sure the person can then fit the bike in the desired 
>>position(s) through HT length, stem, bars, etc.
>>
>> So my long-winded question is, with Grant's emphasis on getting more 
>> upright and weight to the back while making the chainstays longer to 
>> accommodate this, what might be the corresponding logic of making the 
>> front-center length of the Susie/Wolbis almost so long? Is it a matter of 
>> making the total wheelbase longer or a function of the slacker HT and 
>> corresponding fork offset/trail), a combo? Perhaps I am wondering most 
>> importantly is, what are the ride characteristics of such a choice? Does it 
>> still handle in the way that most other high-trail bikes characteristically 
>> do? I ask because I am really interested in this design, understand the 
>> benefits of longer chainstays especially for my kind of more upright 
>> position and preferred weight distribution, but have still found that my 
>> favorite kind of bike that I have ridden so far has a longish rear-center, 
>> lowish trail, and a  front-center about 10cm shorter than that of the 
>> Susie. I am by no means a low trail evangelist, so  I guess what I am 
>> looking for are some impressions in terms of front-end handling of the 
>> bike? 
>>
>> Thank you all and please excuse (direct me to the discussions) if this 
>> has been covered here before. 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Susie/Wolbis Front-Center Question

[Joe Bernard]

My very non-knowledgeable answer is the long front-center allows for high 
stack-height and a slack fork angle with way-reach-back bars like Boscos 
without cramping the rider. My custom was specifically designed for those 
bars and to be ridden with them way up there to accommodate arthritis in my 
hands (I can't lean forward much) and the front-center is wa longer 
than I would have believed would work for me. It's perfect and turns 
similar to every other Riv I've owned. 

Summary: I think it matters a lot what bars you're going to use. Most Rivs 
these days aren't designed with straight-and-flat bars or drops. 

On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 11:39:33 AM UTC-7 reca...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> Since I've been *very* slowly getting into DIY framebuilding over the 
> past few years, and by way of it, trying to better understand why some 
> geometries work for me and my kind of riding over others, I have come to 
> appreciate the method of builders like Waltworks in terms of using 
> front-center as a guide for putting together a frame geometry with relation 
> to getting the rider's weight distribution the way they want it (i.e. 
> getting the bike to ride and fit the way one wants).
>
> A corollary to this is that a builder might then use, like Waltworks the 
> following method (paraphrased):
>
>
>1. pick the trail you want
>2. pick where you want your wheels to be
>3. pick BB height
>4. make sure the person can then fit the bike in the desired 
>position(s) through HT length, stem, bars, etc.
>
> So my long-winded question is, with Grant's emphasis on getting more 
> upright and weight to the back while making the chainstays longer to 
> accommodate this, what might be the corresponding logic of making the 
> front-center length of the Susie/Wolbis almost so long? Is it a matter of 
> making the total wheelbase longer or a function of the slacker HT and 
> corresponding fork offset/trail), a combo? Perhaps I am wondering most 
> importantly is, what are the ride characteristics of such a choice? Does it 
> still handle in the way that most other high-trail bikes characteristically 
> do? I ask because I am really interested in this design, understand the 
> benefits of longer chainstays especially for my kind of more upright 
> position and preferred weight distribution, but have still found that my 
> favorite kind of bike that I have ridden so far has a longish rear-center, 
> lowish trail, and a  front-center about 10cm shorter than that of the 
> Susie. I am by no means a low trail evangelist, so  I guess what I am 
> looking for are some impressions in terms of front-end handling of the 
> bike? 
>
> Thank you all and please excuse (direct me to the discussions) if this has 
> been covered here before. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS - Bags and a rack! Sackville, Fab's Chest, Nitto

[Sean B.]

Interested in the fabios chest, do you have the mounting hardware for the 
saddle? 

On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 1:38:54 PM UTC-5 Adam Bowen wrote:

> Hi all! I have some bags for sale. All used, but not for very long and 
> none abused. Located in Philadelphia if you want a local pickup, otherwise, 
> I will ship at the buyer's expense. 
>
> Sackville TrunkSack Small - GREEN - $80 +$10 Shipping
> Sackville SaddleSack XSmall - GRAY - $60 + $10 Shipping
> Fabio's Chest, sewn by Swift Industries -  GREEN - LARGE - $200 + $20 
> shipped
> Nitto Mini-Front 32F - $90 + $20 shipped
>
> PHOTOS: 
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Toe348pvjfisziROnus48ArlyxbvHJno?usp=sharing
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Susie/Wolbis Front-Center Question

[reca...@gmail.com]

Hello All,

Since I've been *very* slowly getting into DIY framebuilding over the past 
few years, and by way of it, trying to better understand why some 
geometries work for me and my kind of riding over others, I have come to 
appreciate the method of builders like Waltworks in terms of using 
front-center as a guide for putting together a frame geometry with relation 
to getting the rider's weight distribution the way they want it (i.e. 
getting the bike to ride and fit the way one wants).

A corollary to this is that a builder might then use, like Waltworks the 
following method (paraphrased):


   1. pick the trail you want
   2. pick where you want your wheels to be
   3. pick BB height
   4. make sure the person can then fit the bike in the desired position(s) 
   through HT length, stem, bars, etc.

So my long-winded question is, with Grant's emphasis on getting more 
upright and weight to the back while making the chainstays longer to 
accommodate this, what might be the corresponding logic of making the 
front-center length of the Susie/Wolbis almost so long? Is it a matter of 
making the total wheelbase longer or a function of the slacker HT and 
corresponding fork offset/trail), a combo? Perhaps I am wondering most 
importantly is, what are the ride characteristics of such a choice? Does it 
still handle in the way that most other high-trail bikes characteristically 
do? I ask because I am really interested in this design, understand the 
benefits of longer chainstays especially for my kind of more upright 
position and preferred weight distribution, but have still found that my 
favorite kind of bike that I have ridden so far has a longish rear-center, 
lowish trail, and a  front-center about 10cm shorter than that of the 
Susie. I am by no means a low trail evangelist, so  I guess what I am 
looking for are some impressions in terms of front-end handling of the 
bike? 

Thank you all and please excuse (direct me to the discussions) if this has 
been covered here before. 

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[RBW] WTB 59cm Clem Smith Jr. L - Frameset preferable

[Jonny P]

Hi all -- 

I am working on building my older father a bike. He has finally accepted he 
cannot use drops anymore and that he cannot swing his leg over the top tube 
of his bike. So, I introduced him to the idea of building a Clem L, and he 
is excited and on board. 

He uses a Clean Republic Hilltopper front wheel e-assist on his surly he 
currently rides. This has standard 100mm spacing -- so the front wheel will 
work just fine in a Clem Smith Jr. Fork. It is a very minor assist, but 
helps him get up the hills near his house just west of Portland, OR. 

If any of you have thoughts of selling your Clem Smith Jr. L in 59cm size, 
please reach out. We are willing to pay up to the retail cost provided the 
condition of the frame and the inclusion of Headset, Bottom Bracket, and 
Seatpost as the frame comes directly from Rivendell. 

Thank you! 

Jonathan Pearson
Seattle, WA


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Re: [RBW] Loose headset? Something more sinister?

[Anthony Coffin]

Isn't that the truth, Joe! I find bottom brackets slightly tedious.
Headsets though often take several rides before I get them just right.

On Sun, Mar 14, 2021, 5:48 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Yay for bike shops solving problems! I'll be facing this, too, when my new
> anodized headset spacer shows up for my Susie. Both my bikes came to me
> with perfecty-adjusted-by-Riv headsets and I've left well enough alone.
> I'll have to pull the topnut on the Susie to swap spacers and will then go
> through my ritual of starting too loose and having to readjust three times
> before I get it right. Argh! 🤦
>
> Joe "that's probably right, oh crap it's not right" Bernard
>
> On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 3:17:29 PM UTC-7 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY
> wrote:
>
>> Hurrah!! (saw your new message of joy after I sent that last message of
>> not as much joy)
>> -Kai
>>
>> On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 6:10:25 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I got it handled! The headset nut (or whatever) needed 1/8th of a turn
>>> and then it all snugged up nicely. Got the brake cable/housing sorted out,
>>> too. The anodizing was unhurt in the process. Relief! I know it’s not
>>> rational but I am extra attached to this bike and I get anxiety when things
>>> are wrong with it.
>>>
>>> Thanks for all the help, you are the best!
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Mar 14, 2021, at 12:17 PM, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <
>>> kaivi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Which shop got that brake housing all bunched up on the front (ripples
>>> of plastic piling out of the noodle)? They might be in a rush...
>>>
>>> -Kai
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 2:54:56 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Clarifying my response about REI, It's in response to concerns about
 the ano finish on her headset. I'm sure REI would be careful, too, I just
 know the other shop knows those bikes well and are meticulous about them.


 On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 10:31:33 AM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com
 wrote:

> Agreed, there's almost certainly nothing to worry about here Leah,
> simple adjustment. Don't dis REI too much, my local branch has an 
> excellent
> bike mechanic who is always thrilled to work on something other than store
> bike assembly.
>
> On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 8:24:18 AM UTC-7 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> Leah,
>> If it turns out to be the headset (which is my bet), then like Joe
>> said, it's a thing that happens sometimes with new builds. I just wanted 
>> to
>> add that it's unlikely that anything is damaged after a short ride with 
>> it
>> just a bit loose. Def important to get it fixed ASAP, but I think there's
>> no need to hyperventilating over whether you damaged your steer tube. :)
>>
>> I had Riv install the headset/fork on my Bubbe and still had to get
>> the local shop to tighten it up after the first few rides.
>>
>> Paul in AR
>>
>> On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 12:09:19 AM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> "Maul the color."
>>>
>>> I suppose it's always possible but the job had already been done
>>> once and nothing bad happened so it should be fine. The wrenches they'll
>>> use are good stuff that fit on the flats of the cups well.
>>>
>>> What will happen is that bottom cup right on the headtube will be
>>> turned a bit to snug it down, then he'll hold that one steady while he
>>> slowly turns the top one to secure the adjustment in place. It's easy to
>>> get wrong on the first try, I usually end up with mine too loose, too.
>>> They'll fix it for ya.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 9:55:16 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 The stem is moving down by the headset. I put the brakes on and
 it’s not so noticeable, but if I lift it by the handlebars I can see 
 and
 feel that stem move. The bolts at the stem are tight and max insertion 
 is
 inside the tube, so that’s not the problem. I don’t know much about
 headsets, but I bet this is the source.

 Next question: do you think REI is going to maul the color of my
 new ano parts with their wrenches?!

 Sent from my iPad

 On Mar 13, 2021, at 9:33 PM, Ray Varella 
 wrote:

 If you hold your front brake on and rock the bike back and forth
 you should be able to see if the headset is loose or the stem is 
 loose. The
 stem is tightened with the bolt in the center, you can do that 
 yourself,
 just make sure the max height/minimum insertion line is below the 
 headset.

 If it’s the headset, you should take it to a shop. REI should be
 able to handle that just fine.
 You need two headset wrenches, one for the top nut and one for the
 nut below the spac

[RBW] FS - Bags and a rack! Sackville, Fab's Chest, Nitto

[Adam Bowen]

Hi all! I have some bags for sale. All used, but not for very long and none 
abused. Located in Philadelphia if you want a local pickup, otherwise, I 
will ship at the buyer's expense. 

Sackville TrunkSack Small - GREEN - $80 +$10 Shipping
Sackville SaddleSack XSmall - GRAY - $60 + $10 Shipping
Fabio's Chest, sewn by Swift Industries -  GREEN - LARGE - $200 + $20 
shipped
Nitto Mini-Front 32F - $90 + $20 shipped

PHOTOS: 
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Toe348pvjfisziROnus48ArlyxbvHJno?usp=sharing




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[RBW] Re: Intro from Pittsburgh

[joshuamarx]

Thanks for the welcomes!
Roberta: bite-sized GAP rides sound like a good idea. My wife and I are 
thinking of doing a one-night ride on the GAP this summer. I had assumed we 
would just leave from town and try to make it to Ohiopyle, but maybe we 
should consider driving out and starting somewhere on the trail rather than 
spend 1/4 of our miles getting out of town (and familiar miles, at that). 
I'm sure this group would generate some decent recommendations...

Andy: I hope you heal up soon. I've noticed some of your PGH posts in the 
past, but don't think I have come across you IRL. 
Josh
On Tuesday, March 9, 2021 at 5:22:24 PM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:

> Welcome Josh, from another orange Rivendell rider in Pittsburgh. I usually 
> commute year round east end to CHP but have been off all winter following 
> some non-bike related shoulder surgery. 
>
> I'll contribute to finding some non-commuting rides this spring as I get 
> back on the bike. It's bountiful and always possible to provide fun day or 
> night around here!
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 4:12:27 PM UTC-5 joshuamarx wrote:
>
>> Hello!
>> I've been spending time on this group for years, for inspiration and 
>> information, and for general entertainment. It's high time I join the group 
>> properly so I can contribute every once in a while.
>>
>> I'm a proud owner of a 60cm 1st gen (I think) Cheviot, and a 59 cm MIT 
>> Atlantis--one of the demo completes that Riv sold a while back. Links to 
>> pictures are below (crossing my fingers that they come through properly). 
>>
>> Pre-COVID, 99% of my riding was commuting (downtown Pittsburgh) and 
>> errand running. The non-commuting of COVID has really cut into my bike 
>> time--I may need to figure out how to work recreational rides into my life 
>> this spring!
>> Best,
>> Josh
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1N8pdNanpBNGSY7fOQjHTdaXfIaXPgwP7/view?usp=sharing
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eghSVYdTjSB2zc3nzY9X8cz8dgQvIbLl/view?usp=sharing
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Jeffrey S]

Not a Rivendell, but a VERY nice Ebisu touring bike from Jitensha Studio in 
Berkeley. Located in Portland, OR.

https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-ebisu-jitensha-study-touring/7290768177.html

On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 9:14:55 PM UTC-8 Jingy wrote:

> Bleriot frameset
> 57cm
> $400
> Minneapolis MN
>
> https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/bik/d/amherst-rivendell-bleriot-frame-57-cm/7289878456.html
> On Monday, February 22, 2021 at 7:47:58 PM UTC-6 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Clem Smith Jr.
>> 45cm
>> $1000
>> Waterford, ME
>>
>> https://maine.craigslist.org/bik/d/north-waterford-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7280189187.html
>>
>>
>> Clem Smith Jr.
>> 52cm
>> $1250
>> Seattle, WA
>>
>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-52cm-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7281407780.html
>>
>>
>> Betty Foy
>> 54cm
>> $1000
>> Berkeley, CA
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/berkeley-custom-rivendell-betty-foy/7280374983.html
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Loose headset? Something more sinister?

[Anthony Coffin]

What Ray said, if the problem is a loose headset the fork and handlebars
should be acting as a solid unit and the movement is coming from the head
tube/headset.

Theoretically either REI or your pro shop should be able to fix this issue
easily. The problem is we don't know which one is going to definitely have
someone on hand who is experienced with threaded headsets. That might be
the reason it wasn't tightened up to begin with. Or there is some other
explanation. I would opt for the pro shop because they didn't mar it up
before and I would want them to be aware that it came loose since
installation.

On Sun, Mar 14, 2021, 12:37 AM Ray Varella  wrote:

> Does your fork move when you lif the bike by the bars or just the stem?
>
> If you loosen the stem and lower it, then tighten it, do you still have
> the same issue?
>
> Ray
>
> On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 10:15:06 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Hmm, I changed my mind about one part. The pro shop are the folks who
>> have babied your bikes and didn't scratch anything up, I'm afraid I have to
>> recommend the 40 minute drive.
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 10:09:19 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> "Maul the color."
>>>
>>> I suppose it's always possible but the job had already been done once
>>> and nothing bad happened so it should be fine. The wrenches they'll use are
>>> good stuff that fit on the flats of the cups well.
>>>
>>> What will happen is that bottom cup right on the headtube will be turned
>>> a bit to snug it down, then he'll hold that one steady while he slowly
>>> turns the top one to secure the adjustment in place. It's easy to get wrong
>>> on the first try, I usually end up with mine too loose, too. They'll fix it
>>> for ya.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 9:55:16 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
>>> wrote:
>>>
 The stem is moving down by the headset. I put the brakes on and it’s
 not so noticeable, but if I lift it by the handlebars I can see and feel
 that stem move. The bolts at the stem are tight and max insertion is inside
 the tube, so that’s not the problem. I don’t know much about headsets, but
 I bet this is the source.

 Next question: do you think REI is going to maul the color of my new
 ano parts with their wrenches?!

 Sent from my iPad

 On Mar 13, 2021, at 9:33 PM, Ray Varella  wrote:

 If you hold your front brake on and rock the bike back and forth you
 should be able to see if the headset is loose or the stem is loose. The
 stem is tightened with the bolt in the center, you can do that yourself,
 just make sure the max height/minimum insertion line is below the headset.

 If it’s the headset, you should take it to a shop. REI should be able
 to handle that just fine.
 You need two headset wrenches, one for the top nut and one for the nut
 below the spacers.
 I adjust my headset play and hold the lower nut while tightening the
 top nut against the spacers. It takes a bit of experience to do this
 confidently.
 It needs to be tight enough to prevent play but not so tight that it
 binds.

 Hope that helps,

 Ray

 On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 9:13:17 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding
 Ding! wrote:

> Here is the headset.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 13, 2021, at 9:12 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I got anodized headset rings/spacers (and I may be botching the names
> here, but I’ll include a photo in the post after this and you’ll see) and
> had them installed. I felt that the bike was a little vibratory but it
> wasn’t until tonight that I found the source. I happened to lift the front
> end by the bars and felt the bars shift somehow. I had a hex key and
> checked both bolts in the stem - they were tight. I got home, looked it
> over and found that the stem is moving around in the headset. It did NOT 
> do
> this when I had the old headset.
>
>
> I went online and read horror stories. I stopped reading when my heart
> started racing. Something about wrecking the steerer, which sounded
> catastrophic and permanent whatever that is. Is this a minor problem that
> can be fixed with a wrench, would you guess? Or am I going to need to
> change out my headset - maybe this one is too big? Ugh, please not that.
>
> I will either have to drive 40 minutes across town to the mechanics
> who did the service tomorrow, or if you say it’s an easy fix, I could 
> trust
> the REI which is only 20 minutes away.
>
> Hoping the answer is straightforward and the problem easily fixable,
> Leah
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[RBW] Re: A Raspberry Racing Platypus and a QuickGrilver Clem Vs.A Roadie on Killer Hill

[Melanie]

Those new anodized parts gave you the extra push you needed!

On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 11:32:50 AM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> Good story.  Good for you and Baby Bear.  
> On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 11:41:36 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> [image: 269F6687-1E73-4DC9-ABC6-A84D0D1AE0A9.jpeg]Today Baby Bear (he’s 
>> 12) accompanied me on a ride. We were just beginning our ascent of Killer 
>> Hill when we noticed a roadie up ahead. He was on the path, and not the 
>> road, and his Lycra was rather tight. He had the glasses, the carbon, the 
>> kit - he was telling the world he was LEGIT. I wasn’t buying it. I looked 
>> at my son, who was looking at me and mirroring my expression. 
>>
>> “Let’s get him,” I said.
>>
>> Now, let me set this scene for you. My son is about 60 pounds. He’s 
>> piloting a 45 cm Clem H with a large Nitto rear rack and basket, and a 
>> couple of handlebar bags. Huge 2 inch Kenda tires on those heavy stock Clem 
>> wheels. His bike weighs half his body weight, I’ll bet. And worse, he’s out 
>> of practice. He used to dance up that hill, but he doesn’t negotiate Killer 
>> Hill much these days (my kids are in virtual school so no bike 
>> commute)...but facts be darned, we’ve decided. 
>>
>> Baby Bear has a strong start, and I follow behind. He rings his bell to 
>> alert the roadie to our presence. The roadie is NOT expecting anyone else 
>> to be climbing this hill on a bike, and especially not passing him, so it 
>> doesn’t compute and he misses it. I give him two pretty Spurcycle dings and 
>> an “on your left” and then he knows. We shoot past him at a higher speed 
>> than we’d ever normally take and again, exchange looks, this time worried 
>> ones. Our incline is rapidly increasing and we are going too fast. We have 
>> 3/4 of a mile to go. Baby Bear is standing on his pedals and breathing hard.
>>
>> “Well, we’re committed now,” I tell him. And I mean it. I can’t slow down 
>> even if it kills me. I’m going to ride my raspberry racing Platypus up 
>> Killer Hill with my Saddlesack and unicorn Platypus pin and if I go into 
>> cardiac arrest at the top it will have been worth it. 
>>
>> I don’t realize I’ve dropped my kid. When I do, I see that he has been 
>> passed by the roadie after he (OH COME ON) stopped to take a drink of 
>> water. The roadie and his unfortunate Lycra are now in the middle of a 
>> Peterson sandwich. 
>>
>> I’m separated from my son; I can no longer see him, and it worries me. I 
>> can see the roadie clearly, though, and he’s still coming. Mother of the 
>> Year here, I have a tough choice to make. 
>>
>> And I make it.
>>
>> Breathless and exhausted, I stop at the top of the hill and watch the 
>> roadie approach. He will know I’m waiting for my son now and that I have, 
>> indeed, won.  When he gets close I close my mouth, slow my breathing and 
>> smile at him so he won’t know I am actually about to die. He averts his 
>> eyes but he does say hi. After a long while, Baby Bear comes into view. He 
>> is sheepish about being bested after such a strong start but he also 
>> doesn’t berate me for ditching him. He knows I had to do it. He’s glad I 
>> upheld the family honor; we get each other, Baby Bear and me. If he 
>> couldn’t do it, he knew I was gonna have to. 
>>
>> Anyway, Baby Bear is going to take on that hill more often so he can 
>> smoke roadies on his QuickGrilver Clem next time.
>>
>> Leah 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Let's see your shop and workbench

[Pete B]

Thanks Paul, PATC is great. I just pay dues and rent a rustic cabin once or 
twice a year. 

My favorite things about these shop pics are little details like a toolbox 
sticker, or Eric's license plates, and especially, seeing what list members 
with limited space have cooked up. I wrenched on apartment floors, outdoor 
decks, and then in a overstuffed 8x10 shed with no electricity for many 
years. My current setup is about 8 months old and it's more comfortable and 
convenient, but it's not *cooler*. I'd love to see a Riv-ified version of 
the foam-lined-toolbox-and-repair-stand minimalism of event mechanics.

Pete
Arlington, VA
On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 4:14:25 PM UTC-4 Paul Richardson wrote:

> pete:  i dig your PATC sticker!
>
> paul
> takoma park, md.
> On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 11:19:15 AM UTC-4 Pete B wrote:
>
>> Here's my work space, in a corner of the basement. The newest addition is 
>> a 1977 Snap-On tool chest that I rescued from the curb on trash day and 
>> restored.
>>
>> The blue thing behind the vice is a homebrew truing stand that came with 
>> a used dishing tool I bought on Ebay. It's held in place with a bench vise. 
>> I drilled and tapped it for screws that are used for fine adjustment. Acorn 
>> nuts protect the rim from gouging. It works pretty well for the couple 
>> times a year I use it.
>>
>> The machinist vise is another Ebay find I picked up in 2013 for about 
>> $40. It's a Prentiss Bulldog with 3" jaws, probably close to 100 years old 
>> now. I have it and the Park work stand mounted to an old cutting board. I 
>> had this held to my old bench with bolts and wingnuts, instead of bar 
>> clamps. This arrangement allows me to swivel the vise to the front of the 
>> bench, or temporarily remove it.
>>
>> Riv content:  Silver2 shifters and Nitto HiRiser on the Trek 950.
>>
>> Pete
>> Arlington, VA
>>
>> [image: IMG_8282.jpg]
>> [image: image0(1).jpeg]
>> [image: IMG_5820.jpg]
>> On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 9:50:48 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> Get that vise installed! Most important tool in the shop - how else can 
>>> you hacksaw rack struts? ;-)
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 12, 2021 at 7:33:01 PM UTC-5 Kieran J wrote
>>>


 [image: IMG_8782.JPG]

 KJ



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[RBW] Re: Let's see your shop and workbench

[Eric Marth]

Thanks everyone for sharing pics and details and such. It has been great 
seeing everyone's work areas and set ups! 

Nice work on restoring that Snap-On box, Pete! Really cool. 

Wow, sharp eye, Paul. Took me a minute to locate the PATC sticker :) 

And get that vice up, Kieran! ;) 

On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 12:47:16 AM UTC-4 Kieran J wrote:

> It's on my to-do list :-P
>
> On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 6:50:48 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>
>> Get that vise installed! Most important tool in the shop - how else can 
>> you hacksaw rack struts? ;-)
>>
>> Laing
>>
>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith Rear Drop Outs

[Philip Barrett]

It was through Bikeflights.com, I've used them before & they were excellent 
so here's hoping they come through. I doubt any frame however well packed 
would have survived whatever it was they dropped on top off this, the sides 
of the Secialized shipping box were actually burst! A carbon frame would 
have just snapped.

On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 10:54:59 AM UTC-5 RichS wrote:

> Phillip,
>
> What a disappointment to discover the damage when you opened the box. Did 
> Rivendell ship your Clem? I've purchased a few frames from them and the 
> dropouts (and fork ends) were always well secured. 
> Good luck and please let us know how this is resolved. 
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
>
> On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 8:10:16 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Ouch. Yeah, if you can get your money back and put that baby back on a 
>> truck I think that's the plan. Too much drama. 
>>
>>
>> On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 4:58:39 PM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Chain stay has a pretty decent & visible bend, this one's gone the 
>>> journey I'm afraid?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 6:56:36 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Not great! There should have been a dropout block in there so it 
 wouldn't crush even if UPS screwed up. I'd do whatever legalities you need 
 with them and take it to a framebuilder to reset the triangle. It's not 
 broken, just a little bendy at the moment. 


 On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 4:49:15 PM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Well this is probably not good then eh?
> [image: PXL_20210315_232449669.jpg]
>
> On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 6:42:47 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> 135mm.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 4:38:43 PM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> My Clem was delivered today & it looks like UPS crushed the box so 
>>> badly the rear triangle is bent. Does anyone have a measurement of 
>>> their 
>>> rear dropouts internal width?
>>>
>>> Good news is I bought the insurance but it's sad to see a Riv 
>>> destroyed like this.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Bars, Tallux Stem, Tektro Brakes

[Austin B.]

All items are sold.


On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 12:14:36 PM UTC-4 Austin B. wrote:

> Tallux and Noodle are sold.
>
> All other items are pending.
>
> On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 9:01:56 PM UTC-4 Austin B. wrote:
>
>> Tallux is sold.
>> Noodle is pending.
>>
>> On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 4:06:11 PM UTC-5 Austin B. wrote:
>>
>>> Cleaning out the parts bin of Riv-ish stuff. Shipping (US only) is 
>>> additional. Local pickup in DC/Baltimore area is fine. 
>>>
>>> Here's a link to pictures: https://photos.app.goo.gl/HsFKmkp3Z5kzpSof6
>>>
>>> Handlebars--no tape residue on any. Some amber shellac bleed thru on the 
>>> Soma bars only.
>>> *$40 - 46cm Nitto Noodle M177*
>>> *$45 - 46cm Nitto Mark's Bar M178*
>>> *$20 - 44cm Soma Hwy One*
>>>
>>> *$35 - 110mm Nitto Tallux Stem*
>>>
>>> *$25 - Tektro R539 F/R Brakeset*
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Austin B. in MD
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Fabio's Chest (effectively new) - lower price bump

[Jim S.]

this item has sold, thank you for looking.

On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 9:57:41 PM UTC-5 Jim S. wrote:

> It's bigger. It's kind of huge. One might use it in place of panniers and 
> a rack.
>
>
> https://theradavist.com/2016/08/swift-industries-and-ultra-romance-ultaswift-wizard-sleeve-bags/
>
> On Mon, Mar 15, 2021, 19:51 Zac Terrones  wrote:
>
>> Any differences from the zeitgeist? 
>> https://builtbyswift.com/shop/zeitgeist-bag-2021/
>>
>> On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 11:13:42 AM UTC-7 Jim S. wrote:
>>
>>> $200 plus $20 to ship.
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 12, 2021 at 6:02:04 PM UTC-6 Jim S. wrote:
>>>
 So this is a large Fabio's Chest saddle bag or handlebar bag . I bought 
 it, and never mounted it on a bike. It's been in my basement on a shelf. 

 I don't believe he called it "Fabio's Chest" when I bought it. If it 
 was called that, it doesn't say it on the bag, (which I think might be 
 better than having a bag that says "Fabio's Chest.") It's a matter of 
 taste.

 The bag was made by Swift. It's huge, and does a lot of things.

 Here's a video about it.  There are others.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge4v9t5JkfQ

 Here's photos.

 https://photos.app.goo.gl/h9yXAV3dswP3oNRb6

 Price is $230, plus $20 to ship. It requires a big box.

 Thanks for looking.

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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith Rear Drop Outs

[RichS]

Phillip,

What a disappointment to discover the damage when you opened the box. Did 
Rivendell ship your Clem? I've purchased a few frames from them and the 
dropouts (and fork ends) were always well secured. 
Good luck and please let us know how this is resolved. 

Best,
Rich in ATL


On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 8:10:16 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Ouch. Yeah, if you can get your money back and put that baby back on a 
> truck I think that's the plan. Too much drama. 
>
>
> On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 4:58:39 PM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Chain stay has a pretty decent & visible bend, this one's gone the 
>> journey I'm afraid?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 6:56:36 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Not great! There should have been a dropout block in there so it 
>>> wouldn't crush even if UPS screwed up. I'd do whatever legalities you need 
>>> with them and take it to a framebuilder to reset the triangle. It's not 
>>> broken, just a little bendy at the moment. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 4:49:15 PM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Well this is probably not good then eh?
 [image: PXL_20210315_232449669.jpg]

 On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 6:42:47 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> 135mm.
>
>
> On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 4:38:43 PM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> My Clem was delivered today & it looks like UPS crushed the box so 
>> badly the rear triangle is bent. Does anyone have a measurement of their 
>> rear dropouts internal width?
>>
>> Good news is I bought the insurance but it's sad to see a Riv 
>> destroyed like this.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: A Raspberry Racing Platypus and a QuickGrilver Clem Vs.A Roadie on Killer Hill

[Ride for Fun]

Good story.  Good for you and Baby Bear.  
On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 11:41:36 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> [image: 269F6687-1E73-4DC9-ABC6-A84D0D1AE0A9.jpeg]Today Baby Bear (he’s 
> 12) accompanied me on a ride. We were just beginning our ascent of Killer 
> Hill when we noticed a roadie up ahead. He was on the path, and not the 
> road, and his Lycra was rather tight. He had the glasses, the carbon, the 
> kit - he was telling the world he was LEGIT. I wasn’t buying it. I looked 
> at my son, who was looking at me and mirroring my expression. 
>
> “Let’s get him,” I said.
>
> Now, let me set this scene for you. My son is about 60 pounds. He’s 
> piloting a 45 cm Clem H with a large Nitto rear rack and basket, and a 
> couple of handlebar bags. Huge 2 inch Kenda tires on those heavy stock Clem 
> wheels. His bike weighs half his body weight, I’ll bet. And worse, he’s out 
> of practice. He used to dance up that hill, but he doesn’t negotiate Killer 
> Hill much these days (my kids are in virtual school so no bike 
> commute)...but facts be darned, we’ve decided. 
>
> Baby Bear has a strong start, and I follow behind. He rings his bell to 
> alert the roadie to our presence. The roadie is NOT expecting anyone else 
> to be climbing this hill on a bike, and especially not passing him, so it 
> doesn’t compute and he misses it. I give him two pretty Spurcycle dings and 
> an “on your left” and then he knows. We shoot past him at a higher speed 
> than we’d ever normally take and again, exchange looks, this time worried 
> ones. Our incline is rapidly increasing and we are going too fast. We have 
> 3/4 of a mile to go. Baby Bear is standing on his pedals and breathing hard.
>
> “Well, we’re committed now,” I tell him. And I mean it. I can’t slow down 
> even if it kills me. I’m going to ride my raspberry racing Platypus up 
> Killer Hill with my Saddlesack and unicorn Platypus pin and if I go into 
> cardiac arrest at the top it will have been worth it. 
>
> I don’t realize I’ve dropped my kid. When I do, I see that he has been 
> passed by the roadie after he (OH COME ON) stopped to take a drink of 
> water. The roadie and his unfortunate Lycra are now in the middle of a 
> Peterson sandwich. 
>
> I’m separated from my son; I can no longer see him, and it worries me. I 
> can see the roadie clearly, though, and he’s still coming. Mother of the 
> Year here, I have a tough choice to make. 
>
> And I make it.
>
> Breathless and exhausted, I stop at the top of the hill and watch the 
> roadie approach. He will know I’m waiting for my son now and that I have, 
> indeed, won.  When he gets close I close my mouth, slow my breathing and 
> smile at him so he won’t know I am actually about to die. He averts his 
> eyes but he does say hi. After a long while, Baby Bear comes into view. He 
> is sheepish about being bested after such a strong start but he also 
> doesn’t berate me for ditching him. He knows I had to do it. He’s glad I 
> upheld the family honor; we get each other, Baby Bear and me. If he 
> couldn’t do it, he knew I was gonna have to. 
>
> Anyway, Baby Bear is going to take on that hill more often so he can smoke 
> roadies on his QuickGrilver Clem next time.
>
> Leah 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: A Raspberry Racing Platypus and a QuickGrilver Clem Vs.A Roadie on Killer Hill

[RichS]

Delightful mother and son story:-) Makes me wonder if any Rivendell model 
has ever generated this kind of anticipation and enthusiasm? Carry on Leah!

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 1:10:22 AM UTC-4 JAS wrote:

> I just love the image of you guys “lying in wait” for the next roadie 
> to underestimate you and Baby Bear.  You tell a good story, Leah!  Thanks 
> for the latest tale of the raspberry Platy.
> On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 8:42:29 PM UTC-7 Curtis wrote:
>
>> Could be called a paddle.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2021, 8:32 PM Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>>> You guys are funnier than I am. 
>>>
>>> Baby Bear needs a racing Platypus, don’t you think? That green one might 
>>> do the trick - we need a catchy name. We’ll wait at the bottom of Killer 
>>> Hill for roadies to appear and then we’ll throw down the gauntlet. Or 
>>> something. What do you call a gathering of Platypuses? 
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Mar 15, 2021, at 7:27 PM, dougP  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Joe:
>>>
>>>
>>> * "When he gets close I close my mouth, slow my breathing and smile at 
>>> him so he won’t know I am actually about to die. He averts his eyes but he 
>>> does say hi."*
>>>
>>> *That's a stone cold assassin right there. Obliterated him! *
>>>
>>> Do NOT mess with this woman!  Matching luggage beats matching kit every 
>>> time.  
>>>
>>> doug
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 6:57:59 PM UTC-7 Ray Varella wrote:
>>>
 I think you should change the title to “the power of the ruby slipper”. 

 Ray

 On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 3:25:51 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:

> Well, I guess that's one story he won't be telling his wife: 
> "beautiful raspberry bike, with raspberry helmet, RandiJo bag, gloves and 
> Hydro-flask just whirled by me UP KILLER HILL.  But I did beat the little 
> one."  
>
> I say give it a year for the little one.
>
> LOVE the story (and all the raspberry).
>
> On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 11:41:36 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> [image: 269F6687-1E73-4DC9-ABC6-A84D0D1AE0A9.jpeg]Today Baby Bear 
>> (he’s 12) accompanied me on a ride. We were just beginning our ascent of 
>> Killer Hill when we noticed a roadie up ahead. He was on the path, and 
>> not 
>> the road, and his Lycra was rather tight. He had the glasses, the 
>> carbon, 
>> the kit - he was telling the world he was LEGIT. I wasn’t buying it. I 
>> looked at my son, who was looking at me and mirroring my expression. 
>>
>> “Let’s get him,” I said.
>>
>> Now, let me set this scene for you. My son is about 60 pounds. He’s 
>> piloting a 45 cm Clem H with a large Nitto rear rack and basket, and a 
>> couple of handlebar bags. Huge 2 inch Kenda tires on those heavy stock 
>> Clem 
>> wheels. His bike weighs half his body weight, I’ll bet. And worse, he’s 
>> out 
>> of practice. He used to dance up that hill, but he doesn’t negotiate 
>> Killer 
>> Hill much these days (my kids are in virtual school so no bike 
>> commute)...but facts be darned, we’ve decided. 
>>
>> Baby Bear has a strong start, and I follow behind. He rings his bell 
>> to alert the roadie to our presence. The roadie is NOT expecting anyone 
>> else to be climbing this hill on a bike, and especially not passing him, 
>> so 
>> it doesn’t compute and he misses it. I give him two pretty Spurcycle 
>> dings 
>> and an “on your left” and then he knows. We shoot past him at a higher 
>> speed than we’d ever normally take and again, exchange looks, this time 
>> worried ones. Our incline is rapidly increasing and we are going too 
>> fast. 
>> We have 3/4 of a mile to go. Baby Bear is standing on his pedals and 
>> breathing hard.
>>
>> “Well, we’re committed now,” I tell him. And I mean it. I can’t slow 
>> down even if it kills me. I’m going to ride my raspberry racing Platypus 
>> up 
>> Killer Hill with my Saddlesack and unicorn Platypus pin and if I go into 
>> cardiac arrest at the top it will have been worth it. 
>>
>> I don’t realize I’ve dropped my kid. When I do, I see that he has 
>> been passed by the roadie after he (OH COME ON) stopped to take a drink 
>> of 
>> water. The roadie and his unfortunate Lycra are now in the middle of a 
>> Peterson sandwich. 
>>
>> I’m separated from my son; I can no longer see him, and it worries 
>> me. I can see the roadie clearly, though, and he’s still coming. Mother 
>> of 
>> the Year here, I have a tough choice to make. 
>>
>> And I make it.
>>
>> Breathless and exhausted, I stop at the top of the hill and watch the 
>> roadie approach. He will know I’m waiting for my son now and that I 
>> have, 
>> indeed, won.  When he gets close I close my mouth, slow my breathing and 
>> smile at him so he won

[RBW] A Raspberry Racing Platypus and a QuickGrilver Clem Vs.A Roadie on Killer Hill

[True Golden]

Fun to read this story...definitely brings a smile.

If future planned races up the hill occur, possibly bring camera person to 
record the fun for the rest of us.

How many of the Riv Platypuses would the Peterson family need to buy to have a 
puddle?

Paul in Dallas
who occassionally tries to hang with roadies without much success these days.

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[RBW] Re: FS: BQ 60-74 plus others

[Benjamin Kelley]

The stack has been sold.
Thanks,
--ben

On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 3:23:02 PM UTC-5 Benjamin Kelley wrote:

> For sale in one lot;   
> 14 issues of Bicycle Quarterly.
>  60-74,  I have at least one issue left on my subscription, We'll 
> consider that included and I'll also send that once it arrives.  Normal 
> wear from mailing, not from reader abuse. Crinkled spines, bunged up 
> corners etc..  See picture
> 4 issues of Singletrack Magazine.
> 127-130. 
>
> $50 Shipped (USPS Media Mail).
>
> --ben in KC
>
>

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