[RBW] Re: No love for the Riv Bull bar?

[maxcr]

Thanks Johnny, I took your advice and the bike rides much better! I 
installed it almost as a flat bar and it's wonderful.

Max
On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 1:53:49 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Because there is no rise I don't really see why they would need to be 
> angled at all but every rider is different. Whatever is comfortable to you.
>
>
> On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 10:34:07 AM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>
>> Who has experimented with Riv's Bull bar? It's in stock and perhaps 
>> underappreciated?
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/handlebar-nitto-b901raa
>>
>> I've seen Brendonoid's photo here 
>>
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/kpok5hmtyK4/m/QzOVD6XPAAAJ
>>
>> His seem much less angled down than mine, but I'm not sure if I'm doing 
>> it wrong ;)
>>
>> [image: IMG_8155.jpeg]
>>
>> As seen on the pic, I recently installed it on my Atlantis with a Jim 
>> stem and I'm still playing with potential angle decisions for a comfortable 
>> fit - any insights would be appreciated
>>
>> Max
>>
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Re: [RBW] Your preferred non-leather saddle

[Karl Wilcox]

The new Specialized saddles are quite comfortable— I use one with a 168mm
width; it is about the same width as my Brooks saddles.  They are also
impressively light.

On Thursday, September 22, 2022, zem...@gmail.com  wrote:

> I have tried and failed for years to love and get comfortable on leather
> saddles. I've really put in the miles so I'm fairly certain that this isn't
> a "break in period" issue. I've been through a couple Brooks and Stelle
> Anatomica.
>
> I'd like to get some non-leather saddles a try but there are so many it's
> hard to know where to start. I'm riding a San Marcos (similar to Homer or
> Roadini) with an Albatross bar about an inch above the saddle.
>
> Do you have a favourite non-leather saddle that's comfortable for you in a
> similar riding configuration?
>
> Zack
> Toronto, Canada
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Re: [RBW] Your preferred non-leather saddle

['Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I am with Robert, the WTB Pure V has similarities to the B17 (and my 
favorite saddle, the Berthoud Aspin/Aravis). The Pure V has a dip fore-aft, 
and a flat back. 

Joe, Berthoud butt, Ramey in GJT

On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 8:41:39 PM UTC-6 Robert Tilley wrote:

> B-17’s work really well for me but I do use non-leather saddles on most 
> bikes these days. The WTB Pure V is my favorite and I have a few stashed 
> for future use. The Fabric Scoop Flat and Specialized Romin also work for 
> me.
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 22, 2022, at 11:39 AM, zem...@gmail.com  wrote:
>
> I have tried and failed for years to love and get comfortable on leather 
> saddles. I've really put in the miles so I'm fairly certain that this isn't 
> a "break in period" issue. I've been through a couple Brooks and Stelle 
> Anatomica. 
>
>
> I'd like to get some non-leather saddles a try but there are so many it's 
> hard to know where to start. I'm riding a San Marcos (similar to Homer or 
> Roadini) with an Albatross bar about an inch above the saddle. 
>
> Do you have a favourite non-leather saddle that's comfortable for you in a 
> similar riding configuration?
>
> Zack
> Toronto, Canada
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Re: [RBW] Your preferred non-leather saddle

[rltilley]

B-17’s work really well for me but I do use non-leather saddles on most bikes these days. The WTB Pure V is my favorite and I have a few stashed for future use. The Fabric Scoop Flat and Specialized Romin also work for me.Robert TilleySan Diego, CASent from my iPhoneOn Sep 22, 2022, at 11:39 AM, zem...@gmail.com  wrote:I have tried and failed for years to love and get comfortable on leather saddles. I've really put in the miles so I'm fairly certain that this isn't a "break in period" issue. I've been through a couple Brooks and Stelle Anatomica. I'd like to get some non-leather saddles a try but there are so many it's hard to know where to start. I'm riding a San Marcos (similar to Homer or Roadini) with an Albatross bar about an inch above the saddle. Do you have a favourite non-leather saddle that's comfortable for you in a similar riding configuration?ZackToronto, Canada



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Re: [RBW] YOUR BACK SHRINKING

[Karl Wilcox]

Yes, I used to be 6’7” tall.  At 62, I am now one inch shorter.  I have
moved my saddle closer to the bars.  It immediately solved my aching lower
back on steep climbs.

On Thursday, September 22, 2022, 'Charlie' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>  I USED TO RIDE ON DROP BARS . ONE TIME I NOTICED I WAS RIDING ON THE TOPS
> ONLY.  SO I CHANGED TO UP BARS ( 3 SPEED BARS ) . I HAD LOST 2-3 INCHES IN
> MY HEIGHT.
> I NOW RIDE A SMALLER BIKE .
> Charlie Petry JENERSVILLE PA
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Re: [RBW] help identify a small part and a source for it

[J J]

Thanks Mike and Eric!

On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 2:26:52 PM UTC-4 eric swain wrote:

> Serrated brake caliper washer. Most shops should have them. Presta valve 
> nuts would work for your application as well.
>
>
> https://www.benscycle.com/tektro-serrated-brake-washer--6-1x13-3-sb-silver-caliper-brake-part-tektro-24558-br7205/p?idsku=632011=CjwKCAjwyaWZBhBGEiwACslQo9dCDIEVn6kOCMX9vv3ySQKzgF2rR0IYMRmsnXOH7KsAyqFBGbCQSxoCRhMQAvD_BwE
>
> On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 8:42:29 PM UTC-7 Robert Tilley wrote:
>
>> Looks like the concave washers that come on most brake pad hardware. The 
>> LBS may have a pile of them. Or buy cheap brake pads just for the washers.
>>
>> Robert Tilley
>> San Diego, CA
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 20, 2022, at 7:35 PM, J J  wrote:
>>
>> [image: washers spacers knurled.JPG]
>>
>>
>> I’ve tried in vain to find these locally. I ask for “funky textured lock 
>> washers/spacers” but folks in local shops look at me funny even when I show 
>> them the attached pic. So my terminology is clearly technically incorrect! 
>> It’s a mystery. Riv used many of them on this Glorius build. I’d very much 
>> appreciate help knowing what they’re called and where I can procure some. 
>> They do their job very well. Thanks!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thank you Rivendell

[J J]

Doug, I use Silver 2 shifters with 9-speed Rapid Rise RDs. The cable pull 
length/ratio changes when I pull to the smallest cogs. From the largest 
gear to, say, the fifth cog down, the cable pull amount is about the same 
from gear to gear. Going further down the sprocket definitely requires more 
cable pull. 
On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 5:43:25 PM UTC-4 RichS wrote:

> Hello Doug,
>
> Friction shifting (dt and bar end) has been my only method of changing 
> gears with 7 and 8 speed cogs on my three bikes for so long that it feels 
> natural and intuitive. I guess if I had more variety in my bikes/ 
> drivetrains i.e. 9-11 cogs, index shifting my experience might be different.
>
> Hope that helps.
> - Rich
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Sep 22, 2022, at 10:54 AM, Doug H.  wrote:
>
> Thank you Rich. The description of shifting on Rivendell's website makes 
> sense to me and I don't think I need a 9 speed cassette as I don't shift 
> often to maintain a certain cadence. The one thing I'm still getting used 
> to with friction shifting is that not every gear change requires as equal 
> amount if shifter lever movement so that I imagine having only 7 gears in 
> the rear will help facilitate muscle memory for the movement in various 
> gears. Do you notice this as well when friction shifting?
>
> Doug
>
> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 10:34:55 AM UTC-4 RichS wrote:
>
>> Hi Doug! 
>>
>> As a fellow Dylan fan I offer my congratulations. I just installed a Jim 
>> 7 speed cassette; I'm very pleased. I hope your setup works as well too.
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 9:25:29 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Indeed! That was a nice little surprise. I honestly thought maybe I 
>>> hadn’t quite followed the contest directions to a “t”.
>>>
>>> I purchased some Nitto stuff; some bar plugs, and a lamp holder for my 
>>> Edelux light I purchased from a fellow forum member.
>>>
>>> On Sep 21, 2022, at 8:30 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> I got one, too, and one for the "name the author" contest. I thought 
>>> I'd answered wrong or they'd forgotten about the whole idea! Now what am I 
>>> gonna buy... 樂
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 5:09:28 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 Rivendell recently posed a question on Instagram with a $20 reward for 
 those who answered correctly. As a Bob Dylan fan I was able to answer 
 correctly and just received my reward! I ordered a mini-triangle, two 
 rolls 
 of Newbaum tape and a 7 speed Jim cassette (11-36) to try on my Clem. I 
 will be going from 2x9 to 2x7. I am hoping the friction shifting will be 
 even better along with better chain lines. We shall see.


 Doug (Blowin' In the Wind)
 Athens, Ga

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[RBW] Re: The return of Paul Racers

[Eric Marth]

It would seem speaking up to small companies can make a difference! I don't 
currently have a bike that would fit Racers but I was certainly 
disheartened when they went out of production. 

On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 7:17:10 PM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote:

> Great news.  They must follow this forum.. :-)
>
> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 11:11:19 AM UTC-6 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Paul Comp just posted a message on their Instagram that they are putting 
>> the Paul Racers back on their production schedule. They say a few months 
>> out and suggest signing up for a re-stock alert on the product page. 
>>
>> https://www.instagram.com/reel/Ci0NT4vKyZd/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
>>
>> https://www.paulcomp.com/shop/components/brakes/center-pull-brakes/racer/
>>
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[RBW] Re: The return of Paul Racers

[iamkeith]

Great news.  They must follow this forum.. :-)

On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 11:11:19 AM UTC-6 eric...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Paul Comp just posted a message on their Instagram that they are putting 
> the Paul Racers back on their production schedule. They say a few months 
> out and suggest signing up for a re-stock alert on the product page. 
>
> https://www.instagram.com/reel/Ci0NT4vKyZd/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
>
> https://www.paulcomp.com/shop/components/brakes/center-pull-brakes/racer/
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Re: [RBW] LF: Rivendell Wilbury or Glorious or Velo Orange Mixte- 60cm or 62cm

[Elton Lance]

Hi Matt,

I’ve got a 60cm Wilbury that I’d be willing to sell.  Top-shelf parts and 
build.  If you are still looking I’d be happy to take and send photos.  

Elton Lance
Vero Beach, FL





> On Sep 20, 2022, at 10:50 PM, MCT  wrote:
> 
> Good Evening,
> 
> Looking for a Wilbury or Glorius in size 60 or 62cm. I can’t remember if they 
> were made in 62cm, but either will work.  I know the Velo Orange Mixte was 
> only made in 60cm as the largest.  
> 
> Let me know what you got and interested in selling.  
> 
> Thanks,
> Matt in OKC
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Re: [RBW] YOUR BACK SHRINKING

[aeroperf]

Ouch.  Difference in reach - 25mm, not cm.
 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thank you Rivendell

[R Shannon]

Hello Doug,

Friction shifting (dt and bar end) has been my only method of changing gears 
with 7 and 8 speed cogs on my three bikes for so long that it feels natural and 
intuitive. I guess if I had more variety in my bikes/ drivetrains i.e. 9-11 
cogs, index shifting my experience might be different.

Hope that helps.
- Rich

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 22, 2022, at 10:54 AM, Doug H.  wrote:
> 
> Thank you Rich. The description of shifting on Rivendell's website makes 
> sense to me and I don't think I need a 9 speed cassette as I don't shift 
> often to maintain a certain cadence. The one thing I'm still getting used to 
> with friction shifting is that not every gear change requires as equal amount 
> if shifter lever movement so that I imagine having only 7 gears in the rear 
> will help facilitate muscle memory for the movement in various gears. Do you 
> notice this as well when friction shifting?
> Doug
> 
>> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 10:34:55 AM UTC-4 RichS wrote:
>> Hi Doug! 
>> 
>> As a fellow Dylan fan I offer my congratulations. I just installed a Jim 7 
>> speed cassette; I'm very pleased. I hope your setup works as well too.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 9:25:29 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>> Indeed! That was a nice little surprise. I honestly thought maybe I hadn’t 
>>> quite followed the contest directions to a “t”.
>>> 
>>> I purchased some Nitto stuff; some bar plugs, and a lamp holder for my 
>>> Edelux light I purchased from a fellow forum member.
>>> 
> On Sep 21, 2022, at 8:30 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
 I got one, too, and one for the "name the author" contest. I thought I'd 
 answered wrong or they'd forgotten about the whole idea! Now what am I 
 gonna buy... 樂
>>> 
 
 
>> On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 5:09:28 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>> Rivendell recently posed a question on Instagram with a $20 reward for 
>> those who answered correctly. As a Bob Dylan fan I was able to answer 
>> correctly and just received my reward! I ordered a mini-triangle, two 
>> rolls of Newbaum tape and a 7 speed Jim cassette (11-36) to try on my 
>> Clem. I will be going from 2x9 to 2x7. I am hoping the friction shifting 
>> will be even better along with better chain lines. We shall see.
>> 
>> 
>> Doug (Blowin' In the Wind)
>> Athens, Ga
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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 kudos

[Richard Rose]

That is my understanding.

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> On Sep 22, 2022, at 2:27 PM, Luke Hendrickson  
> wrote:
> 
> The Silver 2 shifters look wonderful. I got the less expensive option of the 
> Suntour Power Thumbies (two sets actually) and love them. The Silver 2 
> shifters ratchet and have a smooth return like the Suntours, right?
> 
>> On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 1:10:40 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Caveat, I am not a very good bike mechanic & I grew up using friction 
>> shifting. My Clem came to me with the Microshift thumb shifters. The front 
>> shifter of course is friction only. The rear came set up to index (9 speed) 
>> and it has been fine. Better than fine really, but just a little bit klunky 
>> looking (imho) compared to the beautiful Silver 2 units. Honestly I ordered 
>> the Silver's last week 90% base on looks, 10% on the romance of the 
>> mechanical bicycle.
>> The shifters arrived yesterday and I wanted to see if I could do the 
>> install. First I tackled reversing the Shimano brake levers so the clamping 
>> bolts would not interfere with the shifters in the "inside" thumbie position 
>> that Riv seems to prefer. No biggie, just release the cable on each lever 
>> and swap'em. With that out of the way I mounted the rear shifter. Only thing 
>> left was to string the cable. Its a pretty new bike so I wanted to use the 
>> existing cables. I removed the crimped end and extracted the cable without 
>> incident or fraying. I then threaded said cable through the new shifter and 
>> through the housing, It stuck at the last ferrule. It just would not go and 
>> I figured forcing it would be a bad idea. So instead I reversed that 
>> rearmost 12" piece of housing and the cable went right through. I fiddle 
>> with the cable tension a bit and all seemed well. Spun the pedals and tried 
>> shifting up the cassette - no go. Checked the d ring and it was loose. 
>> Snugged it up a bit and damned if it did not shift. Ran it up the cassette 
>> and seemed good enough to test ride.
>> I cannot believe its actually working. But what I really cannot comprehend 
>> is how excellent the shifting is. I think further adjustments are needed but 
>> it goes up and down without incident in the smoothest, most joyfully tactile 
>> way imaginable. Great success! Now I need those gorgeous Love Levers to 
>> complete the look.:)
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Re: [RBW] Your preferred non-leather saddle

[Richard Rose]

I was totally in love with my SQ Labs 611 “active” saddle on my Jones 29 with 
somewhat upright position. They offer instructions for measuring sit bones then 
using a formula to calculate the correct width. Most comfortable saddle I’d 
ever owned - on any bike. When I got my Clem it just was not wide enough for my 
very upright position. So I went whole hog & got a B67, which is superb. I 
would suggest SQ to anyone. Better shops have their fit kit in house & would 
let you try different saddles.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 22, 2022, at 2:39 PM, zem...@gmail.com  wrote:
> 
> I have tried and failed for years to love and get comfortable on leather 
> saddles. I've really put in the miles so I'm fairly certain that this isn't a 
> "break in period" issue. I've been through a couple Brooks and Stelle 
> Anatomica. 
> 
> I'd like to get some non-leather saddles a try but there are so many it's 
> hard to know where to start. I'm riding a San Marcos (similar to Homer or 
> Roadini) with an Albatross bar about an inch above the saddle. 
> 
> Do you have a favourite non-leather saddle that's comfortable for you in a 
> similar riding configuration?
> 
> Zack
> Toronto, Canada
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Re: [RBW] YOUR BACK SHRINKING

[Jon Dukeman]

Yes getting old is a slippery slope.

On Thu, Sep 22, 2022, 8:27 AM 'Charlie' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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>  I USED TO RIDE ON DROP BARS . ONE TIME I NOTICED I WAS RIDING ON THE TOPS
> ONLY.  SO I CHANGED TO UP BARS ( 3 SPEED BARS ) . I HAD LOST 2-3 INCHES IN
> MY HEIGHT.
> I NOW RIDE A SMALLER BIKE .
> Charlie Petry JENERSVILLE PA
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Re: [RBW] Your preferred non-leather saddle

[Jon Dukeman]

The bike  shop I worked at would let you try out a saddle for a couple of
days or a week as long as it's returned in sellable shape. Discus your
experience with leather saddles and the sales person could help you select
one that works for you. A good time to establish a relationship with the
shop too if you buy a saddle from them.

On Thu, Sep 22, 2022, 12:39 PM zem...@gmail.com  wrote:

> I have tried and failed for years to love and get comfortable on leather
> saddles. I've really put in the miles so I'm fairly certain that this isn't
> a "break in period" issue. I've been through a couple Brooks and Stelle
> Anatomica.
>
> I'd like to get some non-leather saddles a try but there are so many it's
> hard to know where to start. I'm riding a San Marcos (similar to Homer or
> Roadini) with an Albatross bar about an inch above the saddle.
>
> Do you have a favourite non-leather saddle that's comfortable for you in a
> similar riding configuration?
>
> Zack
> Toronto, Canada
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[RBW] Re: Your preferred non-leather saddle

[Ben Adrian]

I have tried a lot of saddles and I find that I can't do any that have a 
strong arc or curve. It's too much of a "taint blaster". Unfortunately, 
I've found that almost all leather saddles have either too much arc, or are 
difficult to get into position. I have found a number of modern saddles 
that I like.

Specialized Power and Toupe saddles - 155mm width for me. These are flat 
and feel stable and comfortable. However, they do work best with padded 
bike shorts if the ride is long, and can start to get challenging after a 
couple hours without a padded chamois. 

I also have a Selle SMP "Plus" model as well. This has worked great on my 
Riv; correct amount of padding, desireable shap, but OH IT'S UGLY

I revently picked up a Rivet Imogene saddle from this forum. It's a flat, 
pretty wide saddle. I THINK it's working, but I"m waiting for a longer 
setback seatpost before I decide for sure. 

But holy hell, saddles are a litera and figurative pain in the ass until 
something comes along and you ride and stop thinking about it.

Cheers!
Ben

On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 11:54:48 AM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> This might be bad advice since I like brooks saddles (the B-17), and only 
> gave up on them because my sweat in combination with my riding style 
> basically destroyed too many B-17s so quickly that I went with a lower 
> mainteneance solution. I switched over to the Ritchey WCS saddle, and 
> they've worked out great for me. What's impressive about them is that the 
> "Vector Wing" structure doubles as saddlebag loops, which is something that 
> doesn't exist on most plastic saddles.
>
> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 11:39:19 AM UTC-7 zem...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I have tried and failed for years to love and get comfortable on leather 
>> saddles. I've really put in the miles so I'm fairly certain that this isn't 
>> a "break in period" issue. I've been through a couple Brooks and Stelle 
>> Anatomica. 
>>
>> I'd like to get some non-leather saddles a try but there are so many it's 
>> hard to know where to start. I'm riding a San Marcos (similar to Homer or 
>> Roadini) with an Albatross bar about an inch above the saddle. 
>>
>> Do you have a favourite non-leather saddle that's comfortable for you in 
>> a similar riding configuration?
>>
>> Zack
>> Toronto, Canada
>>
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Re: [RBW] Your preferred non-leather saddle

[Josiah Anderson]

I agree with Joe, the Fizik Aliente is pretty good as non-leather saddles
go, if that's the same one I'm thinking of. Mine is much older and is
battered beyond recognition at this point. I love the Selle Italia Flite
for race bikes, but I can't imagine it working well in as upright a
position as you described, and they're getting rare and quite expensive, so
I don't think I can agree with that suggestion.

I also like the Brooks C17 with some shellac added to make it smooth; there
should be a thread on ibob or maybe here where I posted about that a couple
years ago. It has the same sort of soft hammock feeling as a leather saddle
once broken in, but is definitely not the same shape as any leather Brooks.
However, nothing is more comfortable for me than a well-broken-in Brooks
Pro or Idéale 90 (or B17 for upright positions), and since a saddle is
better for me the more it feels like one of those, something entirely
different that what I've recommended might be better for you.

Josiah Anderson
Missoula, MT

Le jeu. 22 sept. 2022 à 12:39, zem...@gmail.com  a
écrit :

> I have tried and failed for years to love and get comfortable on leather
> saddles. I've really put in the miles so I'm fairly certain that this isn't
> a "break in period" issue. I've been through a couple Brooks and Stelle
> Anatomica.
>
> I'd like to get some non-leather saddles a try but there are so many it's
> hard to know where to start. I'm riding a San Marcos (similar to Homer or
> Roadini) with an Albatross bar about an inch above the saddle.
>
> Do you have a favourite non-leather saddle that's comfortable for you in a
> similar riding configuration?
>
> Zack
> Toronto, Canada
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini 61 on Craigslist (not mine)

[J J]

We lost it, Joe. In the immediate aftermath, a quiet hush descended over 
the entire shop because everyone was shocked by what happened. And then it 
was like, wtf?!? 

The shop's first response was an unsatisfying and defensive, "it was an 
honest mistake," and they would have been content to settle it with a mere 
apology. After a lot of negotiation, the shop agreed to reimburse for labor 
and to replace the brakes — but good luck finding polished (or any other 
finish) NOS Racers. It's been three months since it happened and I've heard 
nothing but crickets. So I was super pleased with Eric's message about Paul 
Component resuming Racer production.

It had taken me nine months to find the brakes — scouring the interwebs, 
cold calling dozens of bike shops all over the country, putting out WTB 
posts. Finally a set appeared in an eBay auction listing. I preempted the 
auction by offering the seller a (very) pretty penny for them. I wanted 
those brakes.

Now... I have not lost perspective. This ordeal was upsetting, but it was 
not an issue of grave existential importance. Still, these things matter to 
bike nerds and to nerds in the making.

Getting back to the original theme of this thread, I'll reiterate that if I 
had the option, I would gladly and enthusiastically pay Rivendell to do any 
frame prep, builds, etc. over any of my local bike shops, even if it meant 
waiting a while.

On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 2:26:36 PM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Indeed. That's really appalling. I'm so glad my LBS is competent like that 
> and would tell me if they can't actually do the work. T
>
> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 11:05:04 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> That's appalling, I would have LOST it if someone did this to my (very 
>> expensive) Paul brakes. They owe you a new Racer. 
>>
>> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 10:59:25 AM UTC-7 J J wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, just noticed your note on this week-old thread, Piaw. Yes, I 
>>> totally agree that anyone can make mistakes. I also think there is a big 
>>> difference between a genuinely innocent mistake and negligence, 
>>> recklessness, or incompetence. (Ignoring specific instructions that were in 
>>> earshot of the entire shop is an unfortunate instance of negligence.)
>>>
>>>  Where you draw the line is debatable and depends on circumstances. For 
>>> me the big gash, scratches, and dings on brand new brakes, as shown in the 
>>> attached pic, unequivocably cross the line. The mechanic attempted to bend 
>>> the fender hanger tab with pliers while pushing off the brake bridge and 
>>> arm, using them as leverage, as the entire shop looked on with shock, and 
>>> despite the fact that he was asked to do it properly. It wouldn't have been 
>>> as big a deal if the Racers were readily available (as they evidently will 
>>> be again in a few months), but this shouldn't have happened regardless. 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_6141.jpg]   
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 1:15:28 PM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Anyone can make mistakes. When we got my wife's Rivendell-assembled 
 Cheviot a few years back, I ended up having to re-tighten the FD, and had 
 to adjust the shifters several times. It's not a big deal. I'd be a lot 
 less forgiving of frame prep failures. I'm a good enough mechanic that I 
 can build wheels myself (and used to teach wheel-building workshops), but 
 my definite preference is for parts and bikes that are "fire and forget". 
 But I'm also blessed to have good mechanics at LBSes for times when I 
 can't 
 or don't have time to fix something myself. I still try to do work myself 
 since frequently they're much more aggressive about replacing parts like 
 brake pads too early than I am.

 On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 9:39:10 AM UTC-7 J J wrote:

> I would happily pay extra for Riv to prep a frame. I have absolute 
> confidence in their work. There are lots of bike shops in my area that I 
> have gone to when I didn’t have the time, tools, or inclination to do 
> work 
> myself. I’m stunned by how consistently they can be counted on for sloppy 
> work — or worse. 
>
> The most recent example was a fender installation on a Wilbury on 
> which we had just installed a NOS set of Paul Racers (the hard to find 
> polished version). I told the shop that Rivendell has a detailed video 
> showing fender installation and could they please check it out and follow 
> Mark’s method. 
>
> Long story as short as I can make it: the eager, wide-eyed mechanic who 
> wanted to work on the bike because he “loves Rivendells”  did it his way, 
> anyway. The fender hanger tab that bolts onto the brake hole on the fork 
> was unevenly bent and rubbing against the headset as the handlebar moved 
> back and forth. We took it back to have them fix it, and in full view of 
> several employees, 

[RBW] Re: Your preferred non-leather saddle

[Bill Lindsay]

Trying and failing for years consecutively sounds pretty rough.  I'm not 
that patient.

What works for me might not work for you, though.  

If/when I have no clue what works for me, I enthusiastically try saddles as 
cheaply as I can.  The best deal I know of is bike shops that have a test 
saddle program.  For most shops that have a test saddle program, they have 
a bunch of test saddles.  They charge you something like $40, and you get 
to try as many of their test saddles as you like over some time period, 
like 90 days.  After the time is up, if you decide to buy a saddle, they 
knock $40 off the price.  If you don't buy a saddle, they keep your $40.  

I think that's a good program.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 11:39:19 AM UTC-7 zem...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have tried and failed for years to love and get comfortable on leather 
> saddles. I've really put in the miles so I'm fairly certain that this isn't 
> a "break in period" issue. I've been through a couple Brooks and Stelle 
> Anatomica. 
>
> I'd like to get some non-leather saddles a try but there are so many it's 
> hard to know where to start. I'm riding a San Marcos (similar to Homer or 
> Roadini) with an Albatross bar about an inch above the saddle. 
>
> Do you have a favourite non-leather saddle that's comfortable for you in a 
> similar riding configuration?
>
> Zack
> Toronto, Canada
>

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[RBW] Re: Your preferred non-leather saddle

[Mike Packard]

It's ugly and has no bag loops but the specialized power saddle is very 
comfortable for me.

mike


On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 1:39:19 PM UTC-5 zem...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have tried and failed for years to love and get comfortable on leather 
> saddles. I've really put in the miles so I'm fairly certain that this isn't 
> a "break in period" issue. I've been through a couple Brooks and Stelle 
> Anatomica. 
>
> I'd like to get some non-leather saddles a try but there are so many it's 
> hard to know where to start. I'm riding a San Marcos (similar to Homer or 
> Roadini) with an Albatross bar about an inch above the saddle. 
>
> Do you have a favourite non-leather saddle that's comfortable for you in a 
> similar riding configuration?
>
> Zack
> Toronto, Canada
>

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[RBW] Re: Your preferred non-leather saddle

[Piaw Na]

This might be bad advice since I like brooks saddles (the B-17), and only 
gave up on them because my sweat in combination with my riding style 
basically destroyed too many B-17s so quickly that I went with a lower 
mainteneance solution. I switched over to the Ritchey WCS saddle, and 
they've worked out great for me. What's impressive about them is that the 
"Vector Wing" structure doubles as saddlebag loops, which is something that 
doesn't exist on most plastic saddles.

On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 11:39:19 AM UTC-7 zem...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have tried and failed for years to love and get comfortable on leather 
> saddles. I've really put in the miles so I'm fairly certain that this isn't 
> a "break in period" issue. I've been through a couple Brooks and Stelle 
> Anatomica. 
>
> I'd like to get some non-leather saddles a try but there are so many it's 
> hard to know where to start. I'm riding a San Marcos (similar to Homer or 
> Roadini) with an Albatross bar about an inch above the saddle. 
>
> Do you have a favourite non-leather saddle that's comfortable for you in a 
> similar riding configuration?
>
> Zack
> Toronto, Canada
>

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Re: [RBW] Your preferred non-leather saddle

[amillhench]

Hello Zack,

I find the Selle Italia flite comfortable in all positions. I rode an original 
Selle San Marcos Regale for years and found that comfortable, too. 

I couldn’t get comfortable on a turbo or rolls and hated the Brooks Cambiums. I 
tried 3. 

Best,

Aaron in El Paso 

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I have tried and failed for years to love and get comfortable on leather 
saddles. I've really put in the miles so I'm fairly certain that this isn't a 
"break in period" issue. I've been through a couple Brooks and Stelle 
Anatomica. 

I'd like to get some non-leather saddles a try but there are so many it's hard 
to know where to start. I'm riding a San Marcos (similar to Homer or Roadini) 
with an Albatross bar about an inch above the saddle. 

Do you have a favourite non-leather saddle that's comfortable for you in a 
similar riding configuration?

Zack
Toronto, Canada
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[RBW] Your preferred non-leather saddle

[zem...@gmail.com]

I have tried and failed for years to love and get comfortable on leather 
saddles. I've really put in the miles so I'm fairly certain that this isn't 
a "break in period" issue. I've been through a couple Brooks and Stelle 
Anatomica. 

I'd like to get some non-leather saddles a try but there are so many it's 
hard to know where to start. I'm riding a San Marcos (similar to Homer or 
Roadini) with an Albatross bar about an inch above the saddle. 

Do you have a favourite non-leather saddle that's comfortable for you in a 
similar riding configuration?

Zack
Toronto, Canada

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[RBW] WTB: 60 Riv Simpleone Frame/Fork

[Michael Ullmer]

All this talk of Riv Singlespeeds by Bill and others  has me wanting to try 
out a Simpleone Frame. I passed one up years ago and am kicking myself for 
it now.

I recently built up a Trek 520 as a fixed gear and while I love it, it 
leaves much to be desired, mainly in terms of tire/fender clearance. I can 
fit 32mm tires, but alas there's not enough clearance for fenders.

A simpleone would allow much more room for wider tires/fenders, and put me 
solidly back in the Riv Owners Bunch membership (currently no Rivs in the 
stable).

Anyone have one they're sitting on. I'm set on components/wheels, just need 
the frame/fork and maybe the headset.

Thanks!
Mike in Minneapolis


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[RBW] Re: FS: some choice Paul/Nitto parts horde

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

Crankset is gone

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno substitute for a while...

[Patrick Moore]

If you forgo a derailleur, the whole point is to maintain the simplicity of
a fixed gear or at least single speed drivetrain. So expect few alternative
gear ratios. OTOH, fixed gear/ss aficionados with aging lungs and knees
need help: solution? main, direct, cruising gear + climbing/bailout gear.

How to do this? Expensive and elusive SA 2-speed fixed gear hubs aside,
 much more available, slanted longish dropouts or the ENO hub. Many old
road bikes have slanted dropouts; you can use the ENO eccentric axle hub on
vertical dropout frames.

Me, the whole point of fixed/ss drivetrains is lost if you try to get too
many gears on a "ss/fixed" setup. After all, the derailleur has been
perfected to the point that no other multigear system can compete -- unless
you look at the alternatives as "expansions" of the ss/fixed drivetrain. I
say this as someone who for personal arcane reasons loves SA hubs. (My
reasons are logical.)

All that to say that my experience leads me to really like the idea of
combining old pre-susp but post-Repak mtb frames with ENO hubs. That very
early '90s top-end Diamond Back with rigid (and, I have to say, very
elegant straight-leg, finely tapered fork) with 60 mm Big Apples and 64" ss
drivetrain (42 t Pro 5 Vis X 17 t fw, 170 mm arms) was almost perfect as a
pavement/sandy-dirt all-rounder, tho' I think I'd gear it up today to 68"
with a 16 t fw. Or, if I wanted some range, a 44 in place of the 42, and a
16/18 or for the weak 17/19 DOS fw.


On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 11:50 AM duh...@gmail.com  wrote:

> George, I'll take a stab at answering this one for Bill.
>
> He has a double crankset (2 gears), and some combination of double cogs
> and/or freewheels in rear resulting in 4 gears out back.
>
> On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 6:01:37 AM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Bill - you say the Quickbeam is setup as "a 8-speed single speed," so I'm
>> assuming an IGH?  If so, what kind?  A Shimano Nexus 8?  Also, again
>> assuming an IGH, how did you do the cable routing?  I have a Surly 1x1 and
>> I've been fantasizing turning it into an IGH, but I'd have to change bars
>> and figure out how to route the shifting cable.
>> George
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 12:14:16 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> I had been searching for quite a while for a single speed that enabled
>>> some derailer-less gear flexibility.  On one hand I searched for a 58cm
>>> Quickbeam or SimpleONE.  On the other hand I was/am waiting on the
>>> RoadUNO.  I was/am a huge fan of Rivendells rear dropouts with the angle
>>> that allows a significant gear change while maintaining brake adjustment.
>>>
>>> In an absolutely perfect world, my Size Large singlespeed would also
>>> have been 650B (for fat tires and no TCO).  While I'm sitting here in
>>> fantasy-land, I also would have waved my magic wand to have the bike be
>>> belt-compatible, and would allow brakes, but have a discreet way to NOT run
>>> brakes.
>>>
>>> Over the last 18 months or so, I've been working with placeholders for
>>> these things.  I bought a Crust Michigan Man right when they were released
>>> and set it up as a strictly 1-speed fixie in my office in Wayne County,
>>> Michigan.  Will at Riv also has a Michigan Man.  I also managed to acquire
>>> a 58cm Quickbeam, and that is now in my garage as a 8-speed single speed.
>>> I slowly acquired some of the parts for a 650B custom, including a pair of
>>> Rivendell dropouts.  I even had preliminary conversations with a local
>>> builder, and have a tentative spot on his enormous waiting list.
>>>
>>> Then, totally by surprise, a new contender appeared.  Crust released a
>>> new variant of their single speed Lightning Bolt.  It's 650B, with
>>> clearance for 48mm tires and contemporary Randonneur geometry.  It's
>>> belt-compatible and has removable cantilever posts and cable guides.  It's
>>> almost exactly what my custom would have been except for the Riv-style
>>> ends.
>>>
>>> It's 2022, and the lesson we've all learned is that if the thing you
>>> want is available, you buy it, because it may never be available again.
>>> So, I went ahead and bought it, and the frame should arrive today.  I'm
>>> pretty excited.
>>>
>>> Whether or not my new Crust will get replaced by a RoadUNO next year
>>> remains to be seen.  Will's email updates (plus simple geometry) make it
>>> pretty clear to me that the RoadUNO will not have Riv ends.  It'll have
>>> some other svelte track ends, so easy gear changes with a rear brake won't
>>> be part of the feature list, it seems.  I'm still paying very close
>>> attention, but the itch is getting scratched today.
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Silver 2 kudos

[Luke Hendrickson]

The Silver 2 shifters look wonderful. I got the less expensive option of 
the Suntour Power Thumbies (two sets actually) and love them. The Silver 2 
shifters ratchet and have a smooth return like the Suntours, right?

On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 1:10:40 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Caveat, I am not a very good bike mechanic & I grew up using friction 
> shifting. My Clem came to me with the Microshift thumb shifters. The front 
> shifter of course is friction only. The rear came set up to index (9 speed) 
> and it has been fine. Better than fine really, but just a little bit klunky 
> looking (imho) compared to the beautiful Silver 2 units. Honestly I ordered 
> the Silver's last week 90% base on looks, 10% on the romance of the 
> mechanical bicycle.
> The shifters arrived yesterday and I wanted to see if I could do the 
> install. First I tackled reversing the Shimano brake levers so the clamping 
> bolts would not interfere with the shifters in the "inside" thumbie 
> position that Riv seems to prefer. No biggie, just release the cable on 
> each lever and swap'em. With that out of the way I mounted the rear 
> shifter. Only thing left was to string the cable. Its a pretty new bike so 
> I wanted to use the existing cables. I removed the crimped end and 
> extracted the cable without incident or fraying. I then threaded said cable 
> through the new shifter and through the housing, It stuck at the last 
> ferrule. It just would not go and I figured forcing it would be a bad idea. 
> So instead I reversed that rearmost 12" piece of housing and the cable went 
> right through. I fiddle with the cable tension a bit and all seemed well. 
> Spun the pedals and tried shifting up the cassette - no go. Checked the d 
> ring and it was loose. Snugged it up a bit and damned if it did not shift. 
> Ran it up the cassette and seemed good enough to test ride.
> I cannot believe its actually working. But what I really cannot comprehend 
> is how excellent the shifting is. I think further adjustments are needed 
> but it goes up and down without incident in the smoothest, most joyfully 
> tactile way imaginable. Great success! Now I need those gorgeous Love 
> Levers to complete the look.:)
>

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[RBW] Re: 57cm lugged Roadini Protovelo

[matt miller]

What would you guess clearance would be with fenders? TY.

On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 3:09:15 PM UTC-5 amill...@gmail.com wrote:

> Life situations force sale. 
>
> Rivendell Protovelo with identical geometry to the 57cm Roadini but lugged 
> and in Romulus blue. 
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> Build list:
>
> Compass maes 44 handlebars
> Nitto technomic stem
> FSA Riv headset
> Dia Compe Gran Compe 202Q (QR) brake levers
> Blue lug acrylic handlebar tape
> New cables
> Dura ace 8 bar end shifters
> Compass 35mm extra light tires
> Velocity A23 rims laced to 105 hubs
> Brand new Sugino XD crankset 
> 110mm bottom bracket (didn’t pull it, smooth)
> No pedals
> Nitto S83 seatpost
> Selle Italia flite saddle
> Baggins bag (just rewaxed and leather treated)
> Tektro 539 rear, 536 (standard reach) front with brand new kool stop pads 
> and holders
> XT RD-M772 rear derailleur
> Ultegra 6500 front derailleur
> 8 speed 12-34 cassette
> Salsa side entry cages
>
> I think that’s it. The original owner said he thought it had a Roadeo 
> fork. Grant couldn’t recall much about it, but said they had them made in 
> Taiwan and the US circa 2011-2012. No serial number. 
>
> It rides beautifully. I set PRs on segments my first time out. 
>
> I’ve taken up close photos of all blemishes. No dents, cracks or damage. 
>
> Photos here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/hQkyuVzjfQTmgjrcA
>
> $1500 plus shipping. I’ll pack on my dime.
>
> Please reach out with any questions. 
>
> Thank you.
>
> Best,
>
> Aaron in El Paso 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] help identify a small part and a source for it

[eric swain]

Serrated brake caliper washer. Most shops should have them. Presta valve 
nuts would work for your application as well.

https://www.benscycle.com/tektro-serrated-brake-washer--6-1x13-3-sb-silver-caliper-brake-part-tektro-24558-br7205/p?idsku=632011=CjwKCAjwyaWZBhBGEiwACslQo9dCDIEVn6kOCMX9vv3ySQKzgF2rR0IYMRmsnXOH7KsAyqFBGbCQSxoCRhMQAvD_BwE

On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 8:42:29 PM UTC-7 Robert Tilley wrote:

> Looks like the concave washers that come on most brake pad hardware. The 
> LBS may have a pile of them. Or buy cheap brake pads just for the washers.
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 20, 2022, at 7:35 PM, J J  wrote:
>
> [image: washers spacers knurled.JPG]
>
>
> I’ve tried in vain to find these locally. I ask for “funky textured lock 
> washers/spacers” but folks in local shops look at me funny even when I show 
> them the attached pic. So my terminology is clearly technically incorrect! 
> It’s a mystery. Riv used many of them on this Glorius build. I’d very much 
> appreciate help knowing what they’re called and where I can procure some. 
> They do their job very well. Thanks!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini 61 on Craigslist (not mine)

[Piaw Na]

Indeed. That's really appalling. I'm so glad my LBS is competent like that 
and would tell me if they can't actually do the work. T

On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 11:05:04 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> That's appalling, I would have LOST it if someone did this to my (very 
> expensive) Paul brakes. They owe you a new Racer. 
>
> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 10:59:25 AM UTC-7 J J wrote:
>
>> Sorry, just noticed your note on this week-old thread, Piaw. Yes, I 
>> totally agree that anyone can make mistakes. I also think there is a big 
>> difference between a genuinely innocent mistake and negligence, 
>> recklessness, or incompetence. (Ignoring specific instructions that were in 
>> earshot of the entire shop is an unfortunate instance of negligence.)
>>
>>  Where you draw the line is debatable and depends on circumstances. For 
>> me the big gash, scratches, and dings on brand new brakes, as shown in the 
>> attached pic, unequivocably cross the line. The mechanic attempted to bend 
>> the fender hanger tab with pliers while pushing off the brake bridge and 
>> arm, using them as leverage, as the entire shop looked on with shock, and 
>> despite the fact that he was asked to do it properly. It wouldn't have been 
>> as big a deal if the Racers were readily available (as they evidently will 
>> be again in a few months), but this shouldn't have happened regardless. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_6141.jpg]   
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 1:15:28 PM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone can make mistakes. When we got my wife's Rivendell-assembled 
>>> Cheviot a few years back, I ended up having to re-tighten the FD, and had 
>>> to adjust the shifters several times. It's not a big deal. I'd be a lot 
>>> less forgiving of frame prep failures. I'm a good enough mechanic that I 
>>> can build wheels myself (and used to teach wheel-building workshops), but 
>>> my definite preference is for parts and bikes that are "fire and forget". 
>>> But I'm also blessed to have good mechanics at LBSes for times when I can't 
>>> or don't have time to fix something myself. I still try to do work myself 
>>> since frequently they're much more aggressive about replacing parts like 
>>> brake pads too early than I am.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 9:39:10 AM UTC-7 J J wrote:
>>>
 I would happily pay extra for Riv to prep a frame. I have absolute 
 confidence in their work. There are lots of bike shops in my area that I 
 have gone to when I didn’t have the time, tools, or inclination to do work 
 myself. I’m stunned by how consistently they can be counted on for sloppy 
 work — or worse. 

 The most recent example was a fender installation on a Wilbury on which 
 we had just installed a NOS set of Paul Racers (the hard to find polished 
 version). I told the shop that Rivendell has a detailed video showing 
 fender installation and could they please check it out and follow Mark’s 
 method. 

 Long story as short as I can make it: the eager, wide-eyed mechanic who 
 wanted to work on the bike because he “loves Rivendells”  did it his way, 
 anyway. The fender hanger tab that bolts onto the brake hole on the fork 
 was unevenly bent and rubbing against the headset as the handlebar moved 
 back and forth. We took it back to have them fix it, and in full view of 
 several employees, including the shop manager, the mechanic tried to bend 
 the tab back using the Racer as leverage for his pliers. He did this 
 despite my partner telling him “shouldn’t you take it off before you do 
 that?” He totally ignored her, and in a second he put a gash into the the 
 brake bridge. Now we’re not precious about nicks and scratches. But this 
 was a deep gash on a brand new set of rare Racers, and it was horrible. 
 It’s 
 painful even recalling it. I regret that I didn’t intervene before he 
 ruined it (though again, he ignored my partner, which could be another 
 story for another thread about the contempt and condescension with which 
 many LBS mechanics and sales people treat women). 

 I think we have mythologized local bike shops. Sure, I’ve had some 
 great experiences. But the proof of the pudding is always in the tasting, 
 and recent experiences left me with extreme, long lasting  bitterness. 
 Local shops have forgotten to reattach brake cables after a service, left 
 the quick release skewers very loose, stripped threads, made adjustments 
 worse, I could go on and on — basic stuff that should not happen and that 
 have safety implications. It’s to the point that the only “local” shop I 
 trust anymore is about 50 miles away, even though I have at least 5 shops 
 within walking distance, a few blocks from where I live. I don’t want 
 shops 
 to use my bikes for training mechanics. It’s too unreliable. On top of 
 that, the local shops’ 

Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini 61 on Craigslist (not mine)

[Joe Bernard]

That's appalling, I would have LOST it if someone did this to my (very 
expensive) Paul brakes. They owe you a new Racer. 

On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 10:59:25 AM UTC-7 J J wrote:

> Sorry, just noticed your note on this week-old thread, Piaw. Yes, I 
> totally agree that anyone can make mistakes. I also think there is a big 
> difference between a genuinely innocent mistake and negligence, 
> recklessness, or incompetence. (Ignoring specific instructions that were in 
> earshot of the entire shop is an unfortunate instance of negligence.)
>
>  Where you draw the line is debatable and depends on circumstances. For me 
> the big gash, scratches, and dings on brand new brakes, as shown in the 
> attached pic, unequivocably cross the line. The mechanic attempted to bend 
> the fender hanger tab with pliers while pushing off the brake bridge and 
> arm, using them as leverage, as the entire shop looked on with shock, and 
> despite the fact that he was asked to do it properly. It wouldn't have been 
> as big a deal if the Racers were readily available (as they evidently will 
> be again in a few months), but this shouldn't have happened regardless. 
>
> [image: IMG_6141.jpg]   
>
> On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 1:15:28 PM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Anyone can make mistakes. When we got my wife's Rivendell-assembled 
>> Cheviot a few years back, I ended up having to re-tighten the FD, and had 
>> to adjust the shifters several times. It's not a big deal. I'd be a lot 
>> less forgiving of frame prep failures. I'm a good enough mechanic that I 
>> can build wheels myself (and used to teach wheel-building workshops), but 
>> my definite preference is for parts and bikes that are "fire and forget". 
>> But I'm also blessed to have good mechanics at LBSes for times when I can't 
>> or don't have time to fix something myself. I still try to do work myself 
>> since frequently they're much more aggressive about replacing parts like 
>> brake pads too early than I am.
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 9:39:10 AM UTC-7 J J wrote:
>>
>>> I would happily pay extra for Riv to prep a frame. I have absolute 
>>> confidence in their work. There are lots of bike shops in my area that I 
>>> have gone to when I didn’t have the time, tools, or inclination to do work 
>>> myself. I’m stunned by how consistently they can be counted on for sloppy 
>>> work — or worse. 
>>>
>>> The most recent example was a fender installation on a Wilbury on which 
>>> we had just installed a NOS set of Paul Racers (the hard to find polished 
>>> version). I told the shop that Rivendell has a detailed video showing 
>>> fender installation and could they please check it out and follow Mark’s 
>>> method. 
>>>
>>> Long story as short as I can make it: the eager, wide-eyed mechanic who 
>>> wanted to work on the bike because he “loves Rivendells”  did it his way, 
>>> anyway. The fender hanger tab that bolts onto the brake hole on the fork 
>>> was unevenly bent and rubbing against the headset as the handlebar moved 
>>> back and forth. We took it back to have them fix it, and in full view of 
>>> several employees, including the shop manager, the mechanic tried to bend 
>>> the tab back using the Racer as leverage for his pliers. He did this 
>>> despite my partner telling him “shouldn’t you take it off before you do 
>>> that?” He totally ignored her, and in a second he put a gash into the the 
>>> brake bridge. Now we’re not precious about nicks and scratches. But this 
>>> was a deep gash on a brand new set of rare Racers, and it was horrible. 
>>> It’s 
>>> painful even recalling it. I regret that I didn’t intervene before he 
>>> ruined it (though again, he ignored my partner, which could be another 
>>> story for another thread about the contempt and condescension with which 
>>> many LBS mechanics and sales people treat women). 
>>>
>>> I think we have mythologized local bike shops. Sure, I’ve had some great 
>>> experiences. But the proof of the pudding is always in the tasting, and 
>>> recent experiences left me with extreme, long lasting  bitterness. Local 
>>> shops have forgotten to reattach brake cables after a service, left the 
>>> quick release skewers very loose, stripped threads, made adjustments worse, 
>>> I could go on and on — basic stuff that should not happen and that have 
>>> safety implications. It’s to the point that the only “local” shop I trust 
>>> anymore is about 50 miles away, even though I have at least 5 shops within 
>>> walking distance, a few blocks from where I live. I don’t want shops to use 
>>> my bikes for training mechanics. It’s too unreliable. On top of that, the 
>>> local shops’ labor rates are not less than Rivendell’s rates, and in my 
>>> area, they are often *more*, adding insult to injury. For me it’s a 
>>> no-brainer to pay Rivendell to do the work, pay extra for repacking, and so 
>>> on. I don’t mean to rag on LBSs, though. I’m just sharing my actual 
>>> 

Re: [RBW] Re: Do Roadinis ride tall?

[Piaw Na]

Doesn't seem very circular to me if almost all the extra material went into 
height instead of width. :-)  I guess that's what I get for running 
Velocity Aerohead rims which are narrower than current fashion.

On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 9:57:44 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:

> Bicycle tires are basically circles in cross section, as the tire gets 
> wider it also gets taller. The width of the rim will impact the width to a 
> certain degree, but not the height. Modern car tires a more like rectangles 
> where the width and height are independent of one another.
>
> Laing
>
> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 12:51:28 PM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I went back and measured the height of my tires, and discovered that 
>> indeed, the tires were 8mm taller on the Roadini than on my touring bike. 
>> It's very strange, since these were nominally 700x28 or 700x30mm tires, but 
>> measured only 27mm wide on the rims. I guess all the extra material on 
>> "wider" tires went into raising the height of the tire (which is 
>> undesirable) as opposed to increasing the width of the tire (which was what 
>> I expected). Does this continue as you increase tire size? For instance, if 
>> I got a 700x38mm tire, would I expect to it to end up being only 30mm wide, 
>> but end up adding another 1cm to the height of the bike?
>>
>> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 8:18:29 PM UTC-7 Philip Williamson wrote:
>>
>>> Without arguing against BB drop affecting handling and the perception of 
>>> handling, I can’t see how stack can make a bike feel or ride “tall,” IF the 
>>> bars are level with the saddle. I think the shorter reach makes you sit up, 
>>> raising your head and giving you a narrower base (ass to grips) which I 
>>> think might degrade balance on the bike. I’m much less “in” the bike on a 
>>> smaller bike, even with the saddle and grips up. Jim Bronson also says his 
>>> “tall” bike gives him a much more upright posture.
>>>
>>> The reason I think reach drives the “tall” feeling more than stack: In 
>>> my mind’s eye I can put my hands on the bars, and the bike can grow or 
>>> shrink vertically and the stem and seatpost can make up the difference. My 
>>> position on the bike stays the same. If, however, I shrink the top 
>>> tube, my hands move back towards my hips and my head and CG move up. 
>>>
>>> I like to measure my bikes saddle-center to grip-center, rather than 
>>> saddle-tip to steerer-center.
>>>
>>> Philip
>>> Sonoma County, Calif
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 5:47:59 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>

> I don't think a rider can meaningfully feel a 5mm difference in BB 
> drop.  I think what you are feeling is likely Stack related.  A 54cm 
> Roadini is a bigger bike than a 56cm RB1.  Is your stem slammed?  Slam 
> that 
> stem! :)
> If you want to split the difference, ride your Roadini for now, and 
> get a deposit in on a Nobilette Roadeo.  Sell the Roadini when it 
> arrives, 
> and off you go.  I'm not sure if you'd prefer a 57 Roadeo, or maybe a 55? 
>  
>
>>
>>>
 I went and measured the stack and reach on both bikes. Turns out my 
 touring bike actually has a higher stack (71.8cm measured from BB to 
 handlebar hood) and reach (45cm measured from BB to handlebar stem 
 center), 
 while the Roadini had 68.58cm and 41.91cm on both of those measurements. 
 What is significant is that the BB height on the touring bike is 10.5" 
 while the BB height on the Roadini is 11", which is a 1.3cm difference. I 
 guess I can definitely feel a 13mm difference in center of gravity shift, 
 5mm of which is accounted for by the BB drop difference, and then other 
 8mm 
 is accounted for by the bigger tires (which is strange since the 
 difference 
 between tires is basically going from 25mm to 30mm tires, but 3mm 
 difference might be within the margin of error)

>>>

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[RBW] The return of Paul Racers

[Eric Marth]

Paul Comp just posted a message on their Instagram that they are putting 
the Paul Racers back on their production schedule. They say a few months 
out and suggest signing up for a re-stock alert on the product page. 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Ci0NT4vKyZd/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

https://www.paulcomp.com/shop/components/brakes/center-pull-brakes/racer/

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Re: [RBW] Re: Do Roadinis ride tall?

[lconley]

Bicycle tires are basically circles in cross section, as the tire gets 
wider it also gets taller. The width of the rim will impact the width to a 
certain degree, but not the height. Modern car tires a more like rectangles 
where the width and height are independent of one another.

Laing

On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 12:51:28 PM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I went back and measured the height of my tires, and discovered that 
> indeed, the tires were 8mm taller on the Roadini than on my touring bike. 
> It's very strange, since these were nominally 700x28 or 700x30mm tires, but 
> measured only 27mm wide on the rims. I guess all the extra material on 
> "wider" tires went into raising the height of the tire (which is 
> undesirable) as opposed to increasing the width of the tire (which was what 
> I expected). Does this continue as you increase tire size? For instance, if 
> I got a 700x38mm tire, would I expect to it to end up being only 30mm wide, 
> but end up adding another 1cm to the height of the bike?
>
> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 8:18:29 PM UTC-7 Philip Williamson wrote:
>
>> Without arguing against BB drop affecting handling and the perception of 
>> handling, I can’t see how stack can make a bike feel or ride “tall,” IF the 
>> bars are level with the saddle. I think the shorter reach makes you sit up, 
>> raising your head and giving you a narrower base (ass to grips) which I 
>> think might degrade balance on the bike. I’m much less “in” the bike on a 
>> smaller bike, even with the saddle and grips up. Jim Bronson also says his 
>> “tall” bike gives him a much more upright posture.
>>
>> The reason I think reach drives the “tall” feeling more than stack: In 
>> my mind’s eye I can put my hands on the bars, and the bike can grow or 
>> shrink vertically and the stem and seatpost can make up the difference. My 
>> position on the bike stays the same. If, however, I shrink the top tube, 
>> my hands move back towards my hips and my head and CG move up. 
>>
>> I like to measure my bikes saddle-center to grip-center, rather than 
>> saddle-tip to steerer-center.
>>
>> Philip
>> Sonoma County, Calif
>>
>> On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 5:47:59 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>
 I don't think a rider can meaningfully feel a 5mm difference in BB 
 drop.  I think what you are feeling is likely Stack related.  A 54cm 
 Roadini is a bigger bike than a 56cm RB1.  Is your stem slammed?  Slam 
 that 
 stem! :)
 If you want to split the difference, ride your Roadini for now, and get 
 a deposit in on a Nobilette Roadeo.  Sell the Roadini when it arrives, and 
 off you go.  I'm not sure if you'd prefer a 57 Roadeo, or maybe a 55?  

>
>>
>>> I went and measured the stack and reach on both bikes. Turns out my 
>>> touring bike actually has a higher stack (71.8cm measured from BB to 
>>> handlebar hood) and reach (45cm measured from BB to handlebar stem center), 
>>> while the Roadini had 68.58cm and 41.91cm on both of those measurements. 
>>> What is significant is that the BB height on the touring bike is 10.5" 
>>> while the BB height on the Roadini is 11", which is a 1.3cm difference. I 
>>> guess I can definitely feel a 13mm difference in center of gravity shift, 
>>> 5mm of which is accounted for by the BB drop difference, and then other 8mm 
>>> is accounted for by the bigger tires (which is strange since the difference 
>>> between tires is basically going from 25mm to 30mm tires, but 3mm 
>>> difference might be within the margin of error)
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Do Roadinis ride tall?

[Piaw Na]

I went back and measured the height of my tires, and discovered that 
indeed, the tires were 8mm taller on the Roadini than on my touring bike. 
It's very strange, since these were nominally 700x28 or 700x30mm tires, but 
measured only 27mm wide on the rims. I guess all the extra material on 
"wider" tires went into raising the height of the tire (which is 
undesirable) as opposed to increasing the width of the tire (which was what 
I expected). Does this continue as you increase tire size? For instance, if 
I got a 700x38mm tire, would I expect to it to end up being only 30mm wide, 
but end up adding another 1cm to the height of the bike?

On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 8:18:29 PM UTC-7 Philip Williamson wrote:

> Without arguing against BB drop affecting handling and the perception of 
> handling, I can’t see how stack can make a bike feel or ride “tall,” IF the 
> bars are level with the saddle. I think the shorter reach makes you sit up, 
> raising your head and giving you a narrower base (ass to grips) which I 
> think might degrade balance on the bike. I’m much less “in” the bike on a 
> smaller bike, even with the saddle and grips up. Jim Bronson also says his 
> “tall” bike gives him a much more upright posture.
>
> The reason I think reach drives the “tall” feeling more than stack: In my 
> mind’s eye I can put my hands on the bars, and the bike can grow or shrink 
> vertically and the stem and seatpost can make up the difference. My 
> position on the bike stays the same. If, however, I shrink the top tube, 
> my hands move back towards my hips and my head and CG move up. 
>
> I like to measure my bikes saddle-center to grip-center, rather than 
> saddle-tip to steerer-center.
>
> Philip
> Sonoma County, Calif
>
> On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 5:47:59 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>>> I don't think a rider can meaningfully feel a 5mm difference in BB 
>>> drop.  I think what you are feeling is likely Stack related.  A 54cm 
>>> Roadini is a bigger bike than a 56cm RB1.  Is your stem slammed?  Slam that 
>>> stem! :)
>>> If you want to split the difference, ride your Roadini for now, and get 
>>> a deposit in on a Nobilette Roadeo.  Sell the Roadini when it arrives, and 
>>> off you go.  I'm not sure if you'd prefer a 57 Roadeo, or maybe a 55?  
>>>

>
>> I went and measured the stack and reach on both bikes. Turns out my 
>> touring bike actually has a higher stack (71.8cm measured from BB to 
>> handlebar hood) and reach (45cm measured from BB to handlebar stem center), 
>> while the Roadini had 68.58cm and 41.91cm on both of those measurements. 
>> What is significant is that the BB height on the touring bike is 10.5" 
>> while the BB height on the Roadini is 11", which is a 1.3cm difference. I 
>> guess I can definitely feel a 13mm difference in center of gravity shift, 
>> 5mm of which is accounted for by the BB drop difference, and then other 8mm 
>> is accounted for by the bigger tires (which is strange since the difference 
>> between tires is basically going from 25mm to 30mm tires, but 3mm 
>> difference might be within the margin of error)
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Roadini Clearance and Brake Reach

[Michael Doleman]

My plan is to use the GC700 front and rear, for the sake of consistent look
and convenience (the 610 has threaded pad mounting, while the 700 has
unthreaded posts). Also I'd just prefer to keep sets together.

On Thu, Sep 22, 2022 at 9:11 AM Patch T  wrote:

> Thanks Michael - I was eagerly waiting for these results. Are you running
> GC700 front and rear, or keeping the 610 up front?
>
> Patch in NYC
>
> On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 5:49:08 PM UTC-4 Michael Doleman wrote:
>
>> In a previous conversation I promised to post my findings on actual brake
>> reach needs for the new Roadini frames. Specifically, I had been
>> speculating that the Dia-Compe/Gran-Compe model GC610 center-pull could
>> work, despite having only 61 of the specified-as-required 63 millimeters of
>> reach.
>>
>> My partner just received her new 50cm model, and I've conducted some
>> initial studies. Findings are interesting, the main one being that there
>> seems to be a rather huge difference between reach needed for the frame
>> versus the fork. For the fork, the GC610 very easily works, with plenty to
>> spare.
>>
>> On the frame itself, it's a different matter. The brake shoe is very
>> close to contacting the (35mm) tire.
>>
>> Some might argue that it could work, but don't include me in that set --
>> too close for comfort.
>>
>> So I'll be installing the GC700 model which gives another 9mm of reach
>> and is a very nice brake as well.
>>
>> Side note: the fit of the rear wheel axle into the dropout was really
>> tight. At first I didn't have the wheel set into it properly and it
>> appeared that the reach was even greater. Make sure you get the wheel
>> properly seated into the dropout -- with the paint, it's quite tight.
>>
>> I tried to add photos to this message but was told the post was too long
>> with them.
>>
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[RBW] Re: New Roadini Clearance and Brake Reach

[Patch T]

Thanks Michael - I was eagerly waiting for these results. Are you running 
GC700 front and rear, or keeping the 610 up front?

Patch in NYC

On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 5:49:08 PM UTC-4 Michael Doleman wrote:

> In a previous conversation I promised to post my findings on actual brake 
> reach needs for the new Roadini frames. Specifically, I had been 
> speculating that the Dia-Compe/Gran-Compe model GC610 center-pull could 
> work, despite having only 61 of the specified-as-required 63 millimeters of 
> reach.
>
> My partner just received her new 50cm model, and I've conducted some 
> initial studies. Findings are interesting, the main one being that there 
> seems to be a rather huge difference between reach needed for the frame 
> versus the fork. For the fork, the GC610 very easily works, with plenty to 
> spare.
>
> On the frame itself, it's a different matter. The brake shoe is very close 
> to contacting the (35mm) tire.
>
> Some might argue that it could work, but don't include me in that set -- 
> too close for comfort. 
>
> So I'll be installing the GC700 model which gives another 9mm of reach and 
> is a very nice brake as well.
>
> Side note: the fit of the rear wheel axle into the dropout was really 
> tight. At first I didn't have the wheel set into it properly and it 
> appeared that the reach was even greater. Make sure you get the wheel 
> properly seated into the dropout -- with the paint, it's quite tight.
>
> I tried to add photos to this message but was told the post was too long 
> with them.
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Roadini Clearance and Brake Reach

[R Shannon]

Laing, thank you for the info. I could sure use those. Beats deflating my
tire when I want to remove a wheel
Your mystery bike looks like a comfy rider. Love the crank too!

- Rich


On Thu, Sep 22, 2022 at 10:38 AM lconley  wrote:

> I got them off of eBay a few years ago. Just save your search and eBay
> will keep looking for them 24/7. That is where I get my Brooks B68 saddles,
> Vetta boxes and Nigel Smythe bags. Getting fewer hits lately, but takes no
> effort and costs nothing. Just have to go through the false hits - Brooks
> B68 turns up baseball cards and Vetta turns up sneakers and watches, but
> you can turn the automatic emails off and just check manually, but
> reasonably priced B68s go quickly.
>
> Laing
>
> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 10:21:55 AM UTC-4 RichS wrote:
>
>> Hello Laing,
>>
>> The QR straddle cable adjusters are a new one for me. After some quick
>> research it appears these are a thing of the past.
>> How unfortunate; what a useful design.
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 7:27:20 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> In the old days, different size brakes from and rear was normal, not
>>> sure exactly why - may have had something to do with horizontal dropouts.
>>> Schwinn Paramounts came with Weinmann centerpulls - 610 front, 750 rear. I
>>> have the same size combo on my Rivendell Mystery Bike and one of my
>>> Paramounts. Nothing wrong with 700/750 on both ends if they fit, but if the
>>> the shorter brake fits, it looks better and is lighter. If lighter does not
>>> compromise function - I always go with lighter, especially if it looks
>>> better. Note the quick release roller straddle cable carriers:
>>>
>>> [image: 3s.jpg]
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS Susie Longbolts Large

[Ryan Frahm]

Just have a shop box and ship it, I’m sure someone would pay the extra for 
that deal. I’d jump on it if I didn’t have one already! I can’t imagine 
selling mine though. 

On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 7:51:24 AM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:

> Oh, and your Susie is beautiful! very tempting ;)
>
> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 10:50:40 AM UTC-4 Daniel MacPherson 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm trying my best to avoid shipping, but if it doesn't sell soon I'll 
>> ship. 
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 22, 2022 at 10:45 AM maxcr  wrote:
>>
>>> Are you still thinking local only? I hate shipping bikes, but I imagine 
>>> that would open up the demand side :)
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 9:59:24 AM UTC-4 Daniel MacPherson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'm Bumping this thread and lowering the price to $2450. Any takers?

 On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 3:10:32 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> R10, Analog has them. 
>
> https://analogcycles.com/products/nitto-r-10-rear-bag-support
>
> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 11:47:53 AM UTC-7 
> row.n.2...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> What rear rack.??..i know it's not for sale
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 15, 2022, 12:41 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> Your post says Orange but this is actually the new Dark Gold, yes? 
>>> It's gorgeous, somebody go get it! 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 8:45:09 AM UTC-7 Daniel 
>>> MacPherson wrote:
>>>
 Hello!

 After much debate, I think I'm going to sell my Large Susie 
 Longbolts . I built it up as a commuter but quickly realize I prefer 
 my 
 prior commuter better. Anyway, I'm not right now ready to ship it so 
 local 
 pickup only in the Tallahassee Area. I am willing to drive a couple of 
 hours with the bike to facilitate the sale. Bike has a total of around 
 200 
 miles or so. 

 Specs Below
 Susie Large Frame - Orange
 SRAM GX 11-Speed Rear Derailleur
 SRAM 11-Speed 11-42 Rear Cassette
 Microshift 11-Speed Thumb Shifter
 Billie Bar
 Nitto Technomic Stem
 Wheels - Deore XT laced with Velocity Cliffhanger Rims
 Tires- G-One Speed 55mm, Tubeless
 Sugino AT Crankset with Wolftooth 36t Narrowide Chainring. 
 Avid  7 V-Brakes
 Brooks B17 Saddle
 Pedals and Rear Rack are not included.

 I'm asking $2600.
 Pics can be found here: https://imgur.com/a/U1oWtHI

 Daniel MacPherson

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thank you Rivendell

[Doug H.]

Thank you Rich. The description of shifting on Rivendell's website makes 
sense to me and I don't think I need a 9 speed cassette as I don't shift 
often to maintain a certain cadence. The one thing I'm still getting used 
to with friction shifting is that not every gear change requires as equal 
amount if shifter lever movement so that I imagine having only 7 gears in 
the rear will help facilitate muscle memory for the movement in various 
gears. Do you notice this as well when friction shifting?
Doug

On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 10:34:55 AM UTC-4 RichS wrote:

> Hi Doug! 
>
> As a fellow Dylan fan I offer my congratulations. I just installed a Jim 7 
> speed cassette; I'm very pleased. I hope your setup works as well too.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 9:25:29 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Indeed! That was a nice little surprise. I honestly thought maybe I 
>> hadn’t quite followed the contest directions to a “t”.
>>
>> I purchased some Nitto stuff; some bar plugs, and a lamp holder for my 
>> Edelux light I purchased from a fellow forum member.
>>
>> On Sep 21, 2022, at 8:30 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> I got one, too, and one for the "name the author" contest. I thought I'd 
>> answered wrong or they'd forgotten about the whole idea! Now what am I 
>> gonna buy... 樂
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 5:09:28 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> Rivendell recently posed a question on Instagram with a $20 reward for 
>>> those who answered correctly. As a Bob Dylan fan I was able to answer 
>>> correctly and just received my reward! I ordered a mini-triangle, two rolls 
>>> of Newbaum tape and a 7 speed Jim cassette (11-36) to try on my Clem. I 
>>> will be going from 2x9 to 2x7. I am hoping the friction shifting will be 
>>> even better along with better chain lines. We shall see.
>>>
>>>
>>> Doug (Blowin' In the Wind)
>>> Athens, Ga
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS Susie Longbolts Large

[maxcr]

Oh, and your Susie is beautiful! very tempting ;)

On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 10:50:40 AM UTC-4 Daniel MacPherson 
wrote:

> I'm trying my best to avoid shipping, but if it doesn't sell soon I'll 
> ship. 
>
> On Thu, Sep 22, 2022 at 10:45 AM maxcr  wrote:
>
>> Are you still thinking local only? I hate shipping bikes, but I imagine 
>> that would open up the demand side :)
>>
>> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 9:59:24 AM UTC-4 Daniel MacPherson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm Bumping this thread and lowering the price to $2450. Any takers?
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 3:10:32 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 R10, Analog has them. 

 https://analogcycles.com/products/nitto-r-10-rear-bag-support

 On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 11:47:53 AM UTC-7 
 row.n.2...@gmail.com wrote:

> What rear rack.??..i know it's not for sale
>
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2022, 12:41 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> Your post says Orange but this is actually the new Dark Gold, yes? 
>> It's gorgeous, somebody go get it! 
>>
>> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 8:45:09 AM UTC-7 Daniel MacPherson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello!
>>>
>>> After much debate, I think I'm going to sell my Large Susie 
>>> Longbolts . I built it up as a commuter but quickly realize I prefer my 
>>> prior commuter better. Anyway, I'm not right now ready to ship it so 
>>> local 
>>> pickup only in the Tallahassee Area. I am willing to drive a couple of 
>>> hours with the bike to facilitate the sale. Bike has a total of around 
>>> 200 
>>> miles or so. 
>>>
>>> Specs Below
>>> Susie Large Frame - Orange
>>> SRAM GX 11-Speed Rear Derailleur
>>> SRAM 11-Speed 11-42 Rear Cassette
>>> Microshift 11-Speed Thumb Shifter
>>> Billie Bar
>>> Nitto Technomic Stem
>>> Wheels - Deore XT laced with Velocity Cliffhanger Rims
>>> Tires- G-One Speed 55mm, Tubeless
>>> Sugino AT Crankset with Wolftooth 36t Narrowide Chainring. 
>>> Avid  7 V-Brakes
>>> Brooks B17 Saddle
>>> Pedals and Rear Rack are not included.
>>>
>>> I'm asking $2600.
>>> Pics can be found here: https://imgur.com/a/U1oWtHI
>>>
>>> Daniel MacPherson
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS Susie Longbolts Large

[Daniel MacPherson]

I'm trying my best to avoid shipping, but if it doesn't sell soon I'll
ship.

On Thu, Sep 22, 2022 at 10:45 AM maxcr  wrote:

> Are you still thinking local only? I hate shipping bikes, but I imagine
> that would open up the demand side :)
>
> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 9:59:24 AM UTC-4 Daniel MacPherson
> wrote:
>
>> I'm Bumping this thread and lowering the price to $2450. Any takers?
>>
>> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 3:10:32 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> R10, Analog has them.
>>>
>>> https://analogcycles.com/products/nitto-r-10-rear-bag-support
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 11:47:53 AM UTC-7
>>> row.n.2...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 What rear rack.??..i know it's not for sale

 On Thu, Sep 15, 2022, 12:41 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Your post says Orange but this is actually the new Dark Gold, yes?
> It's gorgeous, somebody go get it!
>
> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 8:45:09 AM UTC-7 Daniel MacPherson
> wrote:
>
>> Hello!
>>
>> After much debate, I think I'm going to sell my Large Susie Longbolts
>> . I built it up as a commuter but quickly realize I prefer my prior
>> commuter better. Anyway, I'm not right now ready to ship it so local 
>> pickup
>> only in the Tallahassee Area. I am willing to drive a couple of hours 
>> with
>> the bike to facilitate the sale. Bike has a total of around 200 miles or
>> so.
>>
>> Specs Below
>> Susie Large Frame - Orange
>> SRAM GX 11-Speed Rear Derailleur
>> SRAM 11-Speed 11-42 Rear Cassette
>> Microshift 11-Speed Thumb Shifter
>> Billie Bar
>> Nitto Technomic Stem
>> Wheels - Deore XT laced with Velocity Cliffhanger Rims
>> Tires- G-One Speed 55mm, Tubeless
>> Sugino AT Crankset with Wolftooth 36t Narrowide Chainring.
>> Avid  7 V-Brakes
>> Brooks B17 Saddle
>> Pedals and Rear Rack are not included.
>>
>> I'm asking $2600.
>> Pics can be found here: https://imgur.com/a/U1oWtHI
>>
>> Daniel MacPherson
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS Susie Longbolts Large

[maxcr]

Are you still thinking local only? I hate shipping bikes, but I imagine 
that would open up the demand side :)

On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 9:59:24 AM UTC-4 Daniel MacPherson wrote:

> I'm Bumping this thread and lowering the price to $2450. Any takers?
>
> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 3:10:32 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> R10, Analog has them. 
>>
>> https://analogcycles.com/products/nitto-r-10-rear-bag-support
>>
>> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 11:47:53 AM UTC-7 row.n.2...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What rear rack.??..i know it's not for sale
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 15, 2022, 12:41 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
 Your post says Orange but this is actually the new Dark Gold, yes? It's 
 gorgeous, somebody go get it! 

 On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 8:45:09 AM UTC-7 Daniel MacPherson 
 wrote:

> Hello!
>
> After much debate, I think I'm going to sell my Large Susie Longbolts 
> . I built it up as a commuter but quickly realize I prefer my prior 
> commuter better. Anyway, I'm not right now ready to ship it so local 
> pickup 
> only in the Tallahassee Area. I am willing to drive a couple of hours 
> with 
> the bike to facilitate the sale. Bike has a total of around 200 miles or 
> so. 
>
> Specs Below
> Susie Large Frame - Orange
> SRAM GX 11-Speed Rear Derailleur
> SRAM 11-Speed 11-42 Rear Cassette
> Microshift 11-Speed Thumb Shifter
> Billie Bar
> Nitto Technomic Stem
> Wheels - Deore XT laced with Velocity Cliffhanger Rims
> Tires- G-One Speed 55mm, Tubeless
> Sugino AT Crankset with Wolftooth 36t Narrowide Chainring. 
> Avid  7 V-Brakes
> Brooks B17 Saddle
> Pedals and Rear Rack are not included.
>
> I'm asking $2600.
> Pics can be found here: https://imgur.com/a/U1oWtHI
>
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[RBW] Re: New Roadini Clearance and Brake Reach

[lconley]

I got them off of eBay a few years ago. Just save your search and eBay will 
keep looking for them 24/7. That is where I get my Brooks B68 saddles, 
Vetta boxes and Nigel Smythe bags. Getting fewer hits lately, but takes no 
effort and costs nothing. Just have to go through the false hits - Brooks 
B68 turns up baseball cards and Vetta turns up sneakers and watches, but 
you can turn the automatic emails off and just check manually, but 
reasonably priced B68s go quickly.

Laing

On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 10:21:55 AM UTC-4 RichS wrote:

> Hello Laing,
>
> The QR straddle cable adjusters are a new one for me. After some quick 
> research it appears these are a thing of the past. 
> How unfortunate; what a useful design. 
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 7:27:20 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>
>> In the old days, different size brakes from and rear was normal, not sure 
>> exactly why - may have had something to do with horizontal dropouts. 
>> Schwinn Paramounts came with Weinmann centerpulls - 610 front, 750 rear. I 
>> have the same size combo on my Rivendell Mystery Bike and one of my 
>> Paramounts. Nothing wrong with 700/750 on both ends if they fit, but if the 
>> the shorter brake fits, it looks better and is lighter. If lighter does not 
>> compromise function - I always go with lighter, especially if it looks 
>> better. Note the quick release roller straddle cable carriers:
>>
>> [image: 3s.jpg]
>>
>> Laing
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thank you Rivendell

[RichS]

Hi Doug! 

As a fellow Dylan fan I offer my congratulations. I just installed a Jim 7 
speed cassette; I'm very pleased. I hope your setup works as well too.

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 9:25:29 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Indeed! That was a nice little surprise. I honestly thought maybe I hadn’t 
> quite followed the contest directions to a “t”.
>
> I purchased some Nitto stuff; some bar plugs, and a lamp holder for my 
> Edelux light I purchased from a fellow forum member.
>
> On Sep 21, 2022, at 8:30 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> I got one, too, and one for the "name the author" contest. I thought I'd 
> answered wrong or they'd forgotten about the whole idea! Now what am I 
> gonna buy... 樂
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 5:09:28 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Rivendell recently posed a question on Instagram with a $20 reward for 
>> those who answered correctly. As a Bob Dylan fan I was able to answer 
>> correctly and just received my reward! I ordered a mini-triangle, two rolls 
>> of Newbaum tape and a 7 speed Jim cassette (11-36) to try on my Clem. I 
>> will be going from 2x9 to 2x7. I am hoping the friction shifting will be 
>> even better along with better chain lines. We shall see.
>>
>>
>> Doug (Blowin' In the Wind)
>> Athens, Ga
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[RBW] Re: New Roadini Clearance and Brake Reach

[Michael Doleman]

Sorry if I caused any confusion, my post was supposed to be more about 
whether the GC610 brake model would work on the new Roadini models. I only 
intended to mention the reach differential between frame/fork as a "by the 
way" thing. I realize it's a thing on many other bikes -- I've worked on 
lots of other framesets where the difference is even more pronounced (and 
I've never been sure the cause of it). To answer the first response, I 
didn't intend to imply there was anything at all wrong with putting the 
GC700 brake both front and back (which is what I'll do).

There had been a much earlier thread wherein several people were concerned 
about the braking power of long-reach caliper style brakes, in particular 
the Tektro side-pull models. So I'd mentioned I would test the GC610 when 
my partner received her new Roadini. It was just interesting to me that it 
works perfectly well up front but not back. No big deal, the GC700 is 
effectively the same brake; in some respects maybe even better.


On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 7:21:55 AM UTC-7 RichS wrote:

> Hello Laing,
>
> The QR straddle cable adjusters are a new one for me. After some quick 
> research it appears these are a thing of the past. 
> How unfortunate; what a useful design. 
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 7:27:20 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>
>> In the old days, different size brakes from and rear was normal, not sure 
>> exactly why - may have had something to do with horizontal dropouts. 
>> Schwinn Paramounts came with Weinmann centerpulls - 610 front, 750 rear. I 
>> have the same size combo on my Rivendell Mystery Bike and one of my 
>> Paramounts. Nothing wrong with 700/750 on both ends if they fit, but if the 
>> the shorter brake fits, it looks better and is lighter. If lighter does not 
>> compromise function - I always go with lighter, especially if it looks 
>> better. Note the quick release roller straddle cable carriers:
>>
>> [image: 3s.jpg]
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 6:17:43 PM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Is there something wrong with using GC700 on both front and rear?
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 2:49:08 PM UTC-7 Michael Doleman 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 In a previous conversation I promised to post my findings on actual 
 brake reach needs for the new Roadini frames. Specifically, I had been 
 speculating that the Dia-Compe/Gran-Compe model GC610 center-pull could 
 work, despite having only 61 of the specified-as-required 63 millimeters 
 of 
 reach.

 My partner just received her new 50cm model, and I've conducted some 
 initial studies. Findings are interesting, the main one being that there 
 seems to be a rather huge difference between reach needed for the frame 
 versus the fork. For the fork, the GC610 very easily works, with plenty to 
 spare.

 On the frame itself, it's a different matter. The brake shoe is very 
 close to contacting the (35mm) tire.

 Some might argue that it could work, but don't include me in that set 
 -- too close for comfort. 

 So I'll be installing the GC700 model which gives another 9mm of reach 
 and is a very nice brake as well.

 Side note: the fit of the rear wheel axle into the dropout was really 
 tight. At first I didn't have the wheel set into it properly and it 
 appeared that the reach was even greater. Make sure you get the wheel 
 properly seated into the dropout -- with the paint, it's quite tight.

 I tried to add photos to this message but was told the post was too 
 long with them.

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Artsy Pics of Your Riv's

[RichS]

The bicycle as sculpture — and the background too. Nice work Craig!

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 9:35:51 PM UTC-4 Paul in Dallas wrote:

> Craig, that is a very cool pic from an angle most wouldn't think of and 
> showing the needling bearing headset bottom cup...that's very cool indeed.
>
> Paul in Dallas 
>
>
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[RBW] YOUR BACK SHRINKING

['Charlie' via RBW Owners Bunch]

  I USED TO RIDE ON DROP BARS . ONE TIME I NOTICED I WAS RIDING ON THE TOPS 
ONLY.  SO I CHANGED TO UP BARS ( 3 SPEED BARS ) . I HAD LOST 2-3 INCHES IN 
MY HEIGHT.
I NOW RIDE A SMALLER BIKE .
Charlie Petry JENERSVILLE PA

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[RBW] Re: New Roadini Clearance and Brake Reach

[RichS]

Hello Laing,

The QR straddle cable adjusters are a new one for me. After some quick 
research it appears these are a thing of the past. 
How unfortunate; what a useful design. 

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 7:27:20 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> In the old days, different size brakes from and rear was normal, not sure 
> exactly why - may have had something to do with horizontal dropouts. 
> Schwinn Paramounts came with Weinmann centerpulls - 610 front, 750 rear. I 
> have the same size combo on my Rivendell Mystery Bike and one of my 
> Paramounts. Nothing wrong with 700/750 on both ends if they fit, but if the 
> the shorter brake fits, it looks better and is lighter. If lighter does not 
> compromise function - I always go with lighter, especially if it looks 
> better. Note the quick release roller straddle cable carriers:
>
> [image: 3s.jpg]
>
> Laing
>
> On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 6:17:43 PM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Is there something wrong with using GC700 on both front and rear?
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 2:49:08 PM UTC-7 Michael Doleman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In a previous conversation I promised to post my findings on actual 
>>> brake reach needs for the new Roadini frames. Specifically, I had been 
>>> speculating that the Dia-Compe/Gran-Compe model GC610 center-pull could 
>>> work, despite having only 61 of the specified-as-required 63 millimeters of 
>>> reach.
>>>
>>> My partner just received her new 50cm model, and I've conducted some 
>>> initial studies. Findings are interesting, the main one being that there 
>>> seems to be a rather huge difference between reach needed for the frame 
>>> versus the fork. For the fork, the GC610 very easily works, with plenty to 
>>> spare.
>>>
>>> On the frame itself, it's a different matter. The brake shoe is very 
>>> close to contacting the (35mm) tire.
>>>
>>> Some might argue that it could work, but don't include me in that set -- 
>>> too close for comfort. 
>>>
>>> So I'll be installing the GC700 model which gives another 9mm of reach 
>>> and is a very nice brake as well.
>>>
>>> Side note: the fit of the rear wheel axle into the dropout was really 
>>> tight. At first I didn't have the wheel set into it properly and it 
>>> appeared that the reach was even greater. Make sure you get the wheel 
>>> properly seated into the dropout -- with the paint, it's quite tight.
>>>
>>> I tried to add photos to this message but was told the post was too long 
>>> with them.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS Susie Longbolts Large

[Daniel MacPherson]

I'm Bumping this thread and lowering the price to $2450. Any takers?

On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 3:10:32 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> R10, Analog has them. 
>
> https://analogcycles.com/products/nitto-r-10-rear-bag-support
>
> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 11:47:53 AM UTC-7 row.n.2...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> What rear rack.??..i know it's not for sale
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 15, 2022, 12:41 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> Your post says Orange but this is actually the new Dark Gold, yes? It's 
>>> gorgeous, somebody go get it! 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 8:45:09 AM UTC-7 Daniel MacPherson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hello!

 After much debate, I think I'm going to sell my Large Susie Longbolts . 
 I built it up as a commuter but quickly realize I prefer my prior commuter 
 better. Anyway, I'm not right now ready to ship it so local pickup only in 
 the Tallahassee Area. I am willing to drive a couple of hours with the 
 bike 
 to facilitate the sale. Bike has a total of around 200 miles or so. 

 Specs Below
 Susie Large Frame - Orange
 SRAM GX 11-Speed Rear Derailleur
 SRAM 11-Speed 11-42 Rear Cassette
 Microshift 11-Speed Thumb Shifter
 Billie Bar
 Nitto Technomic Stem
 Wheels - Deore XT laced with Velocity Cliffhanger Rims
 Tires- G-One Speed 55mm, Tubeless
 Sugino AT Crankset with Wolftooth 36t Narrowide Chainring. 
 Avid  7 V-Brakes
 Brooks B17 Saddle
 Pedals and Rear Rack are not included.

 I'm asking $2600.
 Pics can be found here: https://imgur.com/a/U1oWtHI

 Daniel MacPherson

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Re: [RBW] Rides With Charlie...

[Garth]

  smiling  

On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 2:38:15 PM UTC-4 vhans...@gmail.com wrote:

> Corwin, 
>
> I have heard.  Thanks for all you do! 
>
> Victor 
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at 10:35 AM Corwin Zechar  wrote:
>
>> I have posted a couple of times that I spend a lot of time on tandems. 
>> Mostly with Charlie Cunningham. We have been riding for over a year. Our 
>> destinations have included Point Reyes, Petaluma, Mt Tam, Samuel P. Taylor 
>> park, Turtle Island, Sausalito, Richmond, Oakland, San Rafael and San 
>> Francisco.
>>
>> On a tandem, I spend most of my time thinking about traffic, the 
>> condition of my stoker, hills, stopping, etc. Not much time for pictures. I 
>> have considered getting a Go-Pro camera to mount on Charlie's helmet. 
>> Hasn't happened yet. So all my pictures are from rest stops, breaks 
>> en-route and vista points.
>>
>> Some of you have been clamoring to see the photos. Here is a link 
>> . Sorry there are not more. 
>> Charlie is a powerful stoker who rarely gets tired and never gets out of 
>> breath. We discovered Charlie's love of ice cream (especially chocolate) 
>> during our first ride. So almost every ride includes a stop at one of three 
>> purveyors of ice cream (Scoop in Fairfax, San Anselmo Gelato or Double 
>> Rainbow in San Rafael). Charlie can make a bowl of ice cream last upward of 
>> 30 minutes.
>>
>> Charlie is a renowned inventor and UC Berkeley trained mechanical 
>> engineer. So I can keep him entertained while he consumes his ice cream 
>> watching PBS engineering videos and episodes of Jay Leno's Garage.
>>
>> Hope you enjoy the photos.
>>
>>
>> Corwin
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