Re: [RBW] Crustendell Clementine Clydesdale Cargo Cycle Conversion progress

[Pam Bikes]

Love this!  I have a blue banana bag that may look good on the seat.  I 
want to know how it handles.  This reminds me of the #sheldonbrown

On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 7:05:44 PM UTC-4 Jared Wilson wrote:

> I love everything about this, thank you for stepping outside of the box!
>
> On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 3:14:30 PM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>
>> The Crust Clydesdale fork has mounts for two brakes - a disc and a V / 
>> cantilever. I am using a V-brake as a parking brake. The third brake lever 
>> is a Dia-Compe with locking mechanism - similar to what many recumbent 
>> trikes have. Apply the brake, push the button in, release the brake, 
>> release the button and the lever maintains cable tension, locking the 
>> wheel. Just apply the brake lever again and release and the button pops out 
>> and the parking brake is off.
>>
>> You can also get a brake lever that applies two brakes at once, but I 
>> thought the parking brake along with the SteerStopper to lock the forks 
>> straight ahead is what a cargo bike needs.
>>
>> [image: parkingbrakes.jpg]
>>
>> The twist ties are just temporary until I am satisfied with cable lengths 
>> and routing.
>>
>> The blue cables are to match the blue Clementine decals.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 11:25:36 AM UTC-4 J J wrote:
>>
>>> Wow, that’s a cool hybrid! Elegant and utilitarian. 
>>> I can’t remember ever seeing a bicycle parking brake. 
>>>
>>> On Oct 6, 2022, at 8:46 AM, lconley  wrote:
>>>
>>> Making some progress again at last. Fitting fenders and playing with 
 tire sizes. Going to install the chain today. Ordered the locking brake 
 lever for the parking brake.

>>>
>>> <22-10-06s.jpg>
>>>
>>> Laing 
>>>
>>>  
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[RBW] Re: Your cyclist vs. motorist war/horror stories

[Pam Bikes]

I haven't read all the posts except the first one but couple of things...  
I teach Cycling Savvy (
https://cyclingsavvy.org/event/3-part-workshop-charlotte-nc-oct-21-23/2022-10-21/)
 which 
teaches communication and cooperation.  I never use the one finger salute, 
I always use the friendly wave and smile tactic.  (I don't give anyone the 
power to ruin my ride.)  But before that I communicate in four redundant 
ways.  1) Lane selection - using the lane for my intended direction, i.e. 
the left lane if I'm making a L.  2) Lane positioning - positioning myself 
for my direction of travel, i.e. in the left side of the lane if I'm 
turning right.  3) Shoulder check - this helps build empathy by humanizing 
yourself.  You have a life which is valuable.  And this acknowledges the 
motorists presence.  4) Signaling - your next move.  In the original post, 
I'd have signaled either R or L.  If I'm not making a turn and I do not 
want to release the lane or can't release the lane, I'd hold up my pointer 
finger indicating I need a second.  Communicating helps defuse a possibly 
tense situation.  While this is not fool proof, it generally works most of 
the time.  I ride daily.  I ride wherever I need to go.  And mostly I have 
95% good experiences.  The bad ones I chalk up to people who are frustrated 
being trapped in a car.  And they'd be having a bad day and honking at me 
even if I were driving a car.  Aggression is not b/c you are on a bike.  It 
may be b/c they are in a car.  Of course, I get a few honks.  But I've 
never had anything thrown at me.  Please come to Charlotte, NC and ride 
w/me and you'll see.  I take people riding all the time and they say 
they've never had such a good experience.  And when I rode the last 5 days 
across NC (365 miles), it was basically the same.  And my goal then was to 
get full lane change passes and I think I got about 90%.   
https://ridewithgps.com/collections/58792

I hope this doesn't come across the wrong way.  We have all experienced 
aggression.  It is real.  I hope this helps.

On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 10:01:54 PM UTC-4 Berkeleyan wrote:

> RBW content - I owe my 1998 Rivendell LongLow Custom to getting doored in 
> west Berkeley. I was coming back from (high carbohydrate) lunch at 
> Jack-in-da-Box and was pedaling my lugged steel Centurion past parked cars 
> when a door swung open and caught me in the ribs - immediate full stop. A 
> painful injury, entirely not my fault. Long story short, the car driver's 
> insurance company agreed to a cash settlement, and I poured it it into a 
> custom RBW frame (and full set of components). The LongLow is still in the 
> stable.
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[RBW] Re: FS- SON delux/DT Swiss dyno wheel 284.88€

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

To be clear, I’m not selling mine, but there’s one left over there in 
Germany, and with the current exchange, this comes out to a very good deal. 
And yes, my Rambouillet will look funny with black spokes in front, silver 
out back, but it’ll have lights!
-Kai
On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 5:21:54 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
wrote:

>
> https://www.bike24.com/p2164993.html?searchTerm=Son+delux+dt+swiss=SBP=production_SEARCH_INDEX_EN=SON264810==anonymized=631038
>
> I can’t afford it, but I bought the second to last one anyways.
> -Kai
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[RBW] Re: Your cyclist vs. motorist war/horror stories

[Berkeleyan]

RBW content - I owe my 1998 Rivendell LongLow Custom to getting doored in 
west Berkeley. I was coming back from (high carbohydrate) lunch at 
Jack-in-da-Box and was pedaling my lugged steel Centurion past parked cars 
when a door swung open and caught me in the ribs - immediate full stop. A 
painful injury, entirely not my fault. Long story short, the car driver's 
insurance company agreed to a cash settlement, and I poured it it into a 
custom RBW frame (and full set of components). The LongLow is still in the 
stable.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Front low rider rack for Sam Hillborne

[Brian McDermott]

That’s brilliant

On Sun, Oct 9, 2022 at 20:20 Collin A  wrote:

> I ended up using a tubus tara on my appaloosa, but lowered the whole
> system down using some old chainring.
>
> The key is to bolt the chainrings at opposite maximums so the rack cannot
> rotate. It's works for forks that don't have the lowrider mount, but do
> have the rando rack mounts
>
> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 2:55:28 PM UTC-7 BobW wrote:
>
>> I'm considering taking my Sam on some bike tours so looking into from
>> lowrider rack for front panniers.  I already have a rear Tubus rack, so
>> would be wanting to utilize the low riders for additional panniers.
>> Looking for suggestions for proven solutions that fit the same well.   BTW,
>> my Sam is a non-canti model - sidepull calipers.
>>
>> Thanks!!
>>
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[RBW] WTB: inexpensive rear rack

[James]

I am looking to acquire an inexpensive rear rack.  One that will hold 
panniers (as opposed to a saddle bag support rack).  $100 shipped is my max 
- ideally in the $75 range.  I'm in Western NC.  Send me a PM if you think 
you may have something you'd like to part with.

Best,
James

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Re: [RBW] Re: Your cyclist vs. motorist war/horror stories

[George Schick]

These are difficult issues for all of us, but the door often swings both 
ways.  A couple of years ago I had stopped at a point where a bike trail 
crosses a major state highway, waiting for the light to change so I could 
proceed across the intersection.  On the opposite side of the intersection 
were parents with their two small children waiting to cross to my side of 
the road.  When the light did change a car waiting to turn to it's right 
just kept on going in front of the group of cyclists, honking its horn as 
they turned.  One of the kids somehow made it across OK with their mother 
yelling loudly at the inconsiderate/unlawful driver.

OTOH, there was an incident a number of years ago on a city street in 
Chicago where a cyclist pulled up along the right side of a large truck 
that was waiting for the light to change in order to make a right turn, as 
was the cyclist.  As the light changed, the truck driver proceeded to make 
a right turn, running over and killing the cyclist on his "blind" right 
side.  There was major outrage about this event among those in the 
"activist" cycling "community," some of whom proclaimed that trucks should 
all be equipped with those "side shields" which might have prevented the 
catastrophe.  However, this was wrong thinking.  Those so-called "side 
shields" often seen on the trailers of over-the-road tractor/trailer rigs 
are there for aerodynamic purposes only, not for the prevention of 
pedestrian accidents.  The cyclist should have known better than to pull 
along side of a truck like that where he/she was in his blind spot.
 
It works both ways.  Yes, there are idiotic and offensive drivers out there 
and I encounter them quite often.  But I also see cyclists "bending' the 
law (in the sense of rules of the road) in a way that frequently 
contributes to the road rage against bikes that we often encounter.  Be 
wise.

On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 5:55:01 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Yep. I use a mirror and always have a "bail off to the right" plan. Which 
> won't be helpful if I'm on the bridge over the channel and the bail-off is 
> way down there in shallow water! 
>
> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 3:32:41 PM UTC-7 aeroperf wrote:
>
>> My bike trail was closed for two weeks in April, 2020, so I rode 2 miles 
>> on the 45mph road to get to the next county where it was still open.
>> I stayed well to the right of the shoulder white line, but one day a 
>> passing driver came close enough to clip my rear-view mirror.  Handlebars 
>> went hard right, and I went over them - fortunately landing on a grassy 
>> berm.
>> I was uninjured (ok, one small new scar), and my Sam was fine, but the 
>> driver didn’t stop or even, as far as I could tell, look in his rear view 
>> mirror.
>> But by the amount of red paint embedded in my mirror mount, he’s probably 
>> still wondering who “keyed” his car.
>>
>> The point - in addition to looking out for drivers who don’t think 
>> bicyclists should be sharing the road, you also have to look out for the 
>> oblivious drivers who don’t seem to be able to keep it between the lines.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 650b Velocity Quill (130 rear) QR wheelset & Nitto FacePlater 31.8 85mm

[Jake Freeland]

Wheelset is still available. Reducing price to $450 shipped. 

On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 1:58:42 PM UTC-4 Jake Freeland wrote:

> 650b Velocity Quill (130 rear) QR wheelset -- These are silver, 32 spoke 
> front and rear with Velocity branded hubs. Approximately 1,000 miles on 
> these. Asking $550 shipped.
>
> Nitto FacePlater 31.8 85mm -- Slightly used. Asking $120 shipped. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Your cyclist vs. motorist war/horror stories

[Joe Bernard]

Yep. I use a mirror and always have a "bail off to the right" plan. Which 
won't be helpful if I'm on the bridge over the channel and the bail-off is 
way down there in shallow water! 

On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 3:32:41 PM UTC-7 aeroperf wrote:

> My bike trail was closed for two weeks in April, 2020, so I rode 2 miles 
> on the 45mph road to get to the next county where it was still open.
> I stayed well to the right of the shoulder white line, but one day a 
> passing driver came close enough to clip my rear-view mirror.  Handlebars 
> went hard right, and I went over them - fortunately landing on a grassy 
> berm.
> I was uninjured (ok, one small new scar), and my Sam was fine, but the 
> driver didn’t stop or even, as far as I could tell, look in his rear view 
> mirror.
> But by the amount of red paint embedded in my mirror mount, he’s probably 
> still wondering who “keyed” his car.
>
> The point - in addition to looking out for drivers who don’t think 
> bicyclists should be sharing the road, you also have to look out for the 
> oblivious drivers who don’t seem to be able to keep it between the lines.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Your cyclist vs. motorist war/horror stories

[aeroperf]

My bike trail was closed for two weeks in April, 2020, so I rode 2 miles on 
the 45mph road to get to the next county where it was still open.
I stayed well to the right of the shoulder white line, but one day a 
passing driver came close enough to clip my rear-view mirror.  Handlebars 
went hard right, and I went over them - fortunately landing on a grassy 
berm.
I was uninjured (ok, one small new scar), and my Sam was fine, but the 
driver didn’t stop or even, as far as I could tell, look in his rear view 
mirror.
But by the amount of red paint embedded in my mirror mount, he’s probably 
still wondering who “keyed” his car.

The point - in addition to looking out for drivers who don’t think 
bicyclists should be sharing the road, you also have to look out for the 
oblivious drivers who don’t seem to be able to keep it between the lines.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Your cyclist vs. motorist war/horror stories

[Curtis McKenzie]

Please be very cautious when choosing to engage with drivers.  Only they
know what lurks in their minds at that moment.

Curtis
Yielding to a 3000 pound mass of steel is a wise decision.

On Sun, Oct 9, 2022, 2:59 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> I moved this year and there's a 55mph 4-lane highway I use a lot, I don't
> love the speeds as the cars fly by but the emergency lane is wide and I
> don't worry about it too much. What PISSES ME OFF are the honkers who do it
> just to startle me cuz I guess it's hilarious.  Not a fan.
>
> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 2:51:24 PM UTC-7 Ian A wrote:
>
>> I had an incident last year thar still affects me. I was rolling along in
>> the shoulder, enjoying the day en route the donut shop turnaround point (30
>> miles out, 30 back) when a pick up driver tried sideswiping me. He had to
>> aim for me, this was intentional. My reactions meant I swerved clear,
>> almost hard enough to take myself off. Luckily my tires held.
>>
>> I had no interaction with driver prior to this. It was a driver who just
>> wanted to punish a cyclist.
>>
>> I still feel stress following this incident and no longer ride that route
>> at all. It's just not fun anymore.
>>
>> I do live in oil country and among really good people, there are some
>> very entitled and angry people who will bully and intimidate.
>>
>> Dealing with this stuff is difficult, but I would say this forum.is
>> probably not the place for it.
>>
>> IanA Alberta Canada
>>
>> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 2:40:27 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I got "the honk" a couple weeks ago. I was on a residential street that
>>> narrows down from 35mph posted limit to 25 as it comes around a tight curve
>>> and shoots downhill. At the crest I took the lane with the knowledge that
>>> shortly I would be rolling at near 25 and a big black lifted pickup came
>>> off a side street at the same time. HONK! It was stupid and I briefly
>>> considered getting aggressive with cowboy, but I just as quickly deduced
>>> that getting run over or shot was probably not a good plan. I moved over
>>> and let Jethro through. My advice is always move over and let Jethro
>>> through, you're not going to win that incredibly stupid battle.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 9:41:46 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 *First of all I'd like to note that starting this thread might not be a
 great idea. But perhaps it would be a way for us to share some experiences,
 vent or commiserate. *

 Well, I think a lot of us have been there. We've had a weird, scary,
 too-close-for-comfort interaction with a motorist. It could be due to
 driver inattention or downright overt aggression. It could have been your
 fault or no fault of your own. Do you have a riding story involving a
 motorist you'd like to share?

 I live in Fredericksburg, VA, a small city built on a grid. We have an
 historic district here, many streets are narrow with one-way traffic. There
 are a few two-lane arteries designed to move cars. Posted speeds are 25 mph
 (I always drive slower and leave my truck in 2nd gear). People drive like
 maniacs on certain residential streets, sometimes reaching 50mph. I often
 wish for more traffic calming infrastructure, crosswalks, speed tables and
 the like.

 In March 2021 I was riding my bike to the bike shop, about a 1.5 mile
 trip. I was heading down a one-way street through a residential
 neighborhood with street parking on the right and long, grassy, landscaped
 park on the left. I was riding to the right side of the street. This
 section of road has one lane and it is unusually wide. There is room for
 someone to comfortably pass a cyclist.

 Someone honked their horn at me but not in the "Hi, heads up, I'm about
 to pass you please and thanks" sort of way but the "Get the fork off the
 road!" kind of way. It was startling. I responded by taking the lane, which
 is legal for cyclists in Virginia. I rode dead center in the middle of the
 lane. I hoisted a one-finger salute and carried on riding. I rode in the
 middle of the lane for approximately 100 feet before making a turn.

 Yes, this was an escalation. And it was a bad decision. I don't think
 I'm alone in feeling frustrated by displays of impatience and aggression
 from drivers and feel that I have certain rights as a human person to ride
 safely. It is sometimes difficult not to react in the moment. Motorists
 might be not only impatient but totally deranged. Road rage is real. And
 drivers are behind the wheel of a vehicle that is easily weaponized. With
 just a feather of the gas pedal or a slight turn of the wheel they can
 inflict irrevocable damage to a cyclist.

 The driver responded to my salute by getting within a few feet of my
 back wheel. When I  made a turn to carry on to the bike shop, they
 followed. I could 

[RBW] Re: Front low rider rack for Sam Hillborne

[BobW]

Thanks for the input.  Ideally, I'm looking for a rack where the attachment 
point align with the standard Riv braze on point at the dropout and 
mid-fork.  It appears that the Nitto Mark's MF2 rack that Rive carries 
works, but is kind of pricey @ $221 
(https://www.rivbike.com/products/nitto-marks-hub-area-rack-with-hoop-mf2-20236?_pos=6&_sid=f551ef3e9&_ss=r)
So looking for less expensive alternatives to this.  Thanks!!

On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 10:36:29 AM UTC-4 brianmark...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Not that it's entirely helpful, but when I had a buddy add canti posts to 
> my Sam for a 650b conversion, I also had him add lowrider bosses for a 
> Tubus Tara. 
>
> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 9:13:45 AM UTC-4 captaincon...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Here's how I did it:
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/bQ6G2tBKHaWeErrr8
>>
>> I never really used it, but I don't like racks and prefer large front 
>> handlebar bags.
>>
>> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 4:55:28 PM UTC-5 BobW wrote:
>>
>>> I'm considering taking my Sam on some bike tours so looking into from 
>>> lowrider rack for front panniers.  I already have a rear Tubus rack, so 
>>> would be wanting to utilize the low riders for additional panniers.  
>>> Looking for suggestions for proven solutions that fit the same well.   BTW, 
>>> my Sam is a non-canti model - sidepull calipers.
>>>
>>> Thanks!!
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Your cyclist vs. motorist war/horror stories

[Joe Bernard]

I moved this year and there's a 55mph 4-lane highway I use a lot, I don't 
love the speeds as the cars fly by but the emergency lane is wide and I 
don't worry about it too much. What PISSES ME OFF are the honkers who do it 
just to startle me cuz I guess it's hilarious.  Not a fan. 

On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 2:51:24 PM UTC-7 Ian A wrote:

> I had an incident last year thar still affects me. I was rolling along in 
> the shoulder, enjoying the day en route the donut shop turnaround point (30 
> miles out, 30 back) when a pick up driver tried sideswiping me. He had to 
> aim for me, this was intentional. My reactions meant I swerved clear, 
> almost hard enough to take myself off. Luckily my tires held.
>
> I had no interaction with driver prior to this. It was a driver who just 
> wanted to punish a cyclist. 
>
> I still feel stress following this incident and no longer ride that route 
> at all. It's just not fun anymore.
>
> I do live in oil country and among really good people, there are some very 
> entitled and angry people who will bully and intimidate. 
>
> Dealing with this stuff is difficult, but I would say this forum.is 
> probably not the place for it.
>
> IanA Alberta Canada
>
> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 2:40:27 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I got "the honk" a couple weeks ago. I was on a residential street that 
>> narrows down from 35mph posted limit to 25 as it comes around a tight curve 
>> and shoots downhill. At the crest I took the lane with the knowledge that 
>> shortly I would be rolling at near 25 and a big black lifted pickup came 
>> off a side street at the same time. HONK! It was stupid and I briefly 
>> considered getting aggressive with cowboy, but I just as quickly deduced 
>> that getting run over or shot was probably not a good plan. I moved over 
>> and let Jethro through. My advice is always move over and let Jethro 
>> through, you're not going to win that incredibly stupid battle. 
>>
>> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 9:41:46 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> *First of all I'd like to note that starting this thread might not be a 
>>> great idea. But perhaps it would be a way for us to share some experiences, 
>>> vent or commiserate. *
>>>
>>> Well, I think a lot of us have been there. We've had a weird, scary, 
>>> too-close-for-comfort interaction with a motorist. It could be due to 
>>> driver inattention or downright overt aggression. It could have been your 
>>> fault or no fault of your own. Do you have a riding story involving a 
>>> motorist you'd like to share? 
>>>
>>> I live in Fredericksburg, VA, a small city built on a grid. We have an 
>>> historic district here, many streets are narrow with one-way traffic. There 
>>> are a few two-lane arteries designed to move cars. Posted speeds are 25 mph 
>>> (I always drive slower and leave my truck in 2nd gear). People drive like 
>>> maniacs on certain residential streets, sometimes reaching 50mph. I often 
>>> wish for more traffic calming infrastructure, crosswalks, speed tables and 
>>> the like. 
>>>
>>> In March 2021 I was riding my bike to the bike shop, about a 1.5 mile 
>>> trip. I was heading down a one-way street through a residential 
>>> neighborhood with street parking on the right and long, grassy, landscaped 
>>> park on the left. I was riding to the right side of the street. This 
>>> section of road has one lane and it is unusually wide. There is room for 
>>> someone to comfortably pass a cyclist. 
>>>
>>> Someone honked their horn at me but not in the "Hi, heads up, I'm about 
>>> to pass you please and thanks" sort of way but the "Get the fork off the 
>>> road!" kind of way. It was startling. I responded by taking the lane, which 
>>> is legal for cyclists in Virginia. I rode dead center in the middle of the 
>>> lane. I hoisted a one-finger salute and carried on riding. I rode in the 
>>> middle of the lane for approximately 100 feet before making a turn. 
>>>
>>> Yes, this was an escalation. And it was a bad decision. I don't think 
>>> I'm alone in feeling frustrated by displays of impatience and aggression 
>>> from drivers and feel that I have certain rights as a human person to ride 
>>> safely. It is sometimes difficult not to react in the moment. Motorists 
>>> might be not only impatient but totally deranged. Road rage is real. And 
>>> drivers are behind the wheel of a vehicle that is easily weaponized. With 
>>> just a feather of the gas pedal or a slight turn of the wheel they can 
>>> inflict irrevocable damage to a cyclist. 
>>>
>>> The driver responded to my salute by getting within a few feet of my 
>>> back wheel. When I  made a turn to carry on to the bike shop, they 
>>> followed. I could hear them revving their engine behind me and feathering 
>>> the gas to get close to my back wheel but not quite hit me. I continued to 
>>> ride in the middle of the road. 
>>>
>>> I heard something hit the street next to me. It was an unopened aluminum 
>>> can of a 

[RBW] Re: Your cyclist vs. motorist war/horror stories

[Ian A]

I had an incident last year thar still affects me. I was rolling along in 
the shoulder, enjoying the day en route the donut shop turnaround point (30 
miles out, 30 back) when a pick up driver tried sideswiping me. He had to 
aim for me, this was intentional. My reactions meant I swerved clear, 
almost hard enough to take myself off. Luckily my tires held.

I had no interaction with driver prior to this. It was a driver who just 
wanted to punish a cyclist. 

I still feel stress following this incident and no longer ride that route 
at all. It's just not fun anymore.

I do live in oil country and among really good people, there are some very 
entitled and angry people who will bully and intimidate. 

Dealing with this stuff is difficult, but I would say this forum.is 
probably not the place for it.

IanA Alberta Canada

On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 2:40:27 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I got "the honk" a couple weeks ago. I was on a residential street that 
> narrows down from 35mph posted limit to 25 as it comes around a tight curve 
> and shoots downhill. At the crest I took the lane with the knowledge that 
> shortly I would be rolling at near 25 and a big black lifted pickup came 
> off a side street at the same time. HONK! It was stupid and I briefly 
> considered getting aggressive with cowboy, but I just as quickly deduced 
> that getting run over or shot was probably not a good plan. I moved over 
> and let Jethro through. My advice is always move over and let Jethro 
> through, you're not going to win that incredibly stupid battle. 
>
> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 9:41:46 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> *First of all I'd like to note that starting this thread might not be a 
>> great idea. But perhaps it would be a way for us to share some experiences, 
>> vent or commiserate. *
>>
>> Well, I think a lot of us have been there. We've had a weird, scary, 
>> too-close-for-comfort interaction with a motorist. It could be due to 
>> driver inattention or downright overt aggression. It could have been your 
>> fault or no fault of your own. Do you have a riding story involving a 
>> motorist you'd like to share? 
>>
>> I live in Fredericksburg, VA, a small city built on a grid. We have an 
>> historic district here, many streets are narrow with one-way traffic. There 
>> are a few two-lane arteries designed to move cars. Posted speeds are 25 mph 
>> (I always drive slower and leave my truck in 2nd gear). People drive like 
>> maniacs on certain residential streets, sometimes reaching 50mph. I often 
>> wish for more traffic calming infrastructure, crosswalks, speed tables and 
>> the like. 
>>
>> In March 2021 I was riding my bike to the bike shop, about a 1.5 mile 
>> trip. I was heading down a one-way street through a residential 
>> neighborhood with street parking on the right and long, grassy, landscaped 
>> park on the left. I was riding to the right side of the street. This 
>> section of road has one lane and it is unusually wide. There is room for 
>> someone to comfortably pass a cyclist. 
>>
>> Someone honked their horn at me but not in the "Hi, heads up, I'm about 
>> to pass you please and thanks" sort of way but the "Get the fork off the 
>> road!" kind of way. It was startling. I responded by taking the lane, which 
>> is legal for cyclists in Virginia. I rode dead center in the middle of the 
>> lane. I hoisted a one-finger salute and carried on riding. I rode in the 
>> middle of the lane for approximately 100 feet before making a turn. 
>>
>> Yes, this was an escalation. And it was a bad decision. I don't think I'm 
>> alone in feeling frustrated by displays of impatience and aggression from 
>> drivers and feel that I have certain rights as a human person to ride 
>> safely. It is sometimes difficult not to react in the moment. Motorists 
>> might be not only impatient but totally deranged. Road rage is real. And 
>> drivers are behind the wheel of a vehicle that is easily weaponized. With 
>> just a feather of the gas pedal or a slight turn of the wheel they can 
>> inflict irrevocable damage to a cyclist. 
>>
>> The driver responded to my salute by getting within a few feet of my back 
>> wheel. When I  made a turn to carry on to the bike shop, they followed. I 
>> could hear them revving their engine behind me and feathering the gas to 
>> get close to my back wheel but not quite hit me. I continued to ride in the 
>> middle of the road. 
>>
>> I heard something hit the street next to me. It was an unopened aluminum 
>> can of a carbonated beverage (I didn't go back to check out whether it was 
>> soda, beer or seltzer). Acknowledging the projectile I decided I had to 
>> bail and get up on the sidewalk or somehow turn around to where the car 
>> could not get to me. 
>>
>> As soon as I moved to the side to take a driveway apron up onto the 
>> sidewalk the car passed me, then got right in front of me and slammed on 
>> their brakes. I braked hard and managed not to 

[RBW] FS: LL Bean Cordua Mountain Jeans 32X34 (Think Swrve)

[Dave Grossman]

I bought these to commute in last year from LL Bean and just don't dig 
them.  I have owned Swrve jeans as well and they are really similar 
(perhaps made in the same factory) and fit a bit less skinny than Swrve.

They are a mix of cordura, cotton, and spandex and also have a crotch 
gusset.  I normally wear a 33 and they fit well.  They have a reflective 
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Re: [RBW] FS - MKS XC Bear Trap Pedals

[Philip Barrett]

These are sold!

Thanks,

On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 11:38:35 AM UTC-5 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:

> PM sent!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe
>
> On Oct 9, 2022, at 9:11 AM, Philip Barrett  wrote:
>
> 
>
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[RBW] Re: Your cyclist vs. motorist war/horror stories

[Joe Bernard]

I got "the honk" a couple weeks ago. I was on a residential street that 
narrows down from 35mph posted limit to 25 as it comes around a tight curve 
and shoots downhill. At the crest I took the lane with the knowledge that 
shortly I would be rolling at near 25 and a big black lifted pickup came 
off a side street at the same time. HONK! It was stupid and I briefly 
considered getting aggressive with cowboy, but I just as quickly deduced 
that getting run over or shot was probably not a good plan. I moved over 
and let Jethro through. My advice is always move over and let Jethro 
through, you're not going to win that incredibly stupid battle. 

On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 9:41:46 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> *First of all I'd like to note that starting this thread might not be a 
> great idea. But perhaps it would be a way for us to share some experiences, 
> vent or commiserate. *
>
> Well, I think a lot of us have been there. We've had a weird, scary, 
> too-close-for-comfort interaction with a motorist. It could be due to 
> driver inattention or downright overt aggression. It could have been your 
> fault or no fault of your own. Do you have a riding story involving a 
> motorist you'd like to share? 
>
> I live in Fredericksburg, VA, a small city built on a grid. We have an 
> historic district here, many streets are narrow with one-way traffic. There 
> are a few two-lane arteries designed to move cars. Posted speeds are 25 mph 
> (I always drive slower and leave my truck in 2nd gear). People drive like 
> maniacs on certain residential streets, sometimes reaching 50mph. I often 
> wish for more traffic calming infrastructure, crosswalks, speed tables and 
> the like. 
>
> In March 2021 I was riding my bike to the bike shop, about a 1.5 mile 
> trip. I was heading down a one-way street through a residential 
> neighborhood with street parking on the right and long, grassy, landscaped 
> park on the left. I was riding to the right side of the street. This 
> section of road has one lane and it is unusually wide. There is room for 
> someone to comfortably pass a cyclist. 
>
> Someone honked their horn at me but not in the "Hi, heads up, I'm about to 
> pass you please and thanks" sort of way but the "Get the fork off the 
> road!" kind of way. It was startling. I responded by taking the lane, which 
> is legal for cyclists in Virginia. I rode dead center in the middle of the 
> lane. I hoisted a one-finger salute and carried on riding. I rode in the 
> middle of the lane for approximately 100 feet before making a turn. 
>
> Yes, this was an escalation. And it was a bad decision. I don't think I'm 
> alone in feeling frustrated by displays of impatience and aggression from 
> drivers and feel that I have certain rights as a human person to ride 
> safely. It is sometimes difficult not to react in the moment. Motorists 
> might be not only impatient but totally deranged. Road rage is real. And 
> drivers are behind the wheel of a vehicle that is easily weaponized. With 
> just a feather of the gas pedal or a slight turn of the wheel they can 
> inflict irrevocable damage to a cyclist. 
>
> The driver responded to my salute by getting within a few feet of my back 
> wheel. When I  made a turn to carry on to the bike shop, they followed. I 
> could hear them revving their engine behind me and feathering the gas to 
> get close to my back wheel but not quite hit me. I continued to ride in the 
> middle of the road. 
>
> I heard something hit the street next to me. It was an unopened aluminum 
> can of a carbonated beverage (I didn't go back to check out whether it was 
> soda, beer or seltzer). Acknowledging the projectile I decided I had to 
> bail and get up on the sidewalk or somehow turn around to where the car 
> could not get to me. 
>
> As soon as I moved to the side to take a driveway apron up onto the 
> sidewalk the car passed me, then got right in front of me and slammed on 
> their brakes. I braked hard and managed not to do an endo onto their trunk 
> or hit their vehicle. The straddle cable hanger came loose from the front 
> brake cable. The driver sped off. I did not get their plates. 
>
> A few days later I went around the neighborhood and knocked on every door 
> with a doorbell camera that was along the path of my interaction with the 
> driver. Everyone I asked checked their footage but only one came back with 
> anything showing me or the driver. There was a clip of the driver revving 
> their engine behind me and throwing the can. You can see the can fly 
> through the air and hear it land in the street. I got a good profile shot 
> of the car (2005 Acura TL, maroon with custom window trim), but no view of 
> the tags. 
>
> This is, by far, the worst interaction I've had with a motorist. I've only 
> been riding for a few years. There are others that aren't nearly as bad but 
> still register as scary and unnecessary. They most often occur when a 
> vehicle is passing. I 

Re: [RBW] Nitto Basket Rack: is it too heavy?

[Joe Bernard]

Dangit, I knew I'd forget something. The basket will be fine on the back, 
that rack is strong. 

On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 1:09:14 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> All of what Jason said, and I'll add what I think I remember about Nitto's 
> concern for Mark's Rack: I believe they worry about the adjustable struts 
> and that most folks connect them at the mid-fork braze-ons; that's not a 
> very strong load-bearing situation and things can get bad fast if the rack 
> decides to slide down the struts. The Basket Rack has a lot more "putting 
> too much stuff on it" security built in. 
>
> Some of the floppiness of front loads show on Rivs is due to the high 
> trail design. When you see rando bikes with a big boxy bag on the front 
> those are usually low trail frames which actually handle better with a 
> front load. I don't know why the math works this way but I had a Crust low 
> trail bike and it felt twitchy and weird without a front load, I did NOT 
> like it. High trail Rivs with loads on the rear, this is the way for me 
> ‍♂️
>
> Caveat: High vs. low trail will bring out the arguments with the 
> quickness. This is one man's opinion! 
>
> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 12:57:19 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Oh yes, it will be great to see that brake and head badge again!  
>> Hopefully the marks on the front bag aren't too noticeable since it'll be 
>> "the back side" from most viewing angles. 
>>
>> Regarding using racks like the M-18 and M1-B with a basket: they do have 
>> a pretty low load rating (4.4lbs?), though I am certain there's a large 
>> safety margin vs. other rack brands. I add the irish strap connection from 
>> the "tombstone" to the handlebar as a safeguard against failure. Also, if 
>> you run a metal front fender, that will break the rack's "fall" if it fails 
>> too. These two factors combined leave me unconcerned with running the small 
>> racks with up to maybe 15lbs load.  More than that and the steering is 
>> slowed down a lot anyway. This is a personal risk assessment, not a 
>> recommendation! 
>>
>> Regarding pannier racks, there's no black and white, right or wrong, but 
>> I find that especially with the long rear ends of modern Rivs, you barely 
>> notice the weight on the rear rack compared to the front. They both do the 
>> job, and I've carried heavy front loads on mine, but even with 40lbs on the 
>> rear rack I find Rivs to ride quite normal, but put 40 lbs on the front and 
>> it's a true upper body workout to steer, and if you had to suddenly swerve 
>> around a car door or something, the slowed steering may become a danger
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, 9 October 2022 at 12:35:59 UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, we are going to try it, so I’m glad you guys think it looks ok. 
>>> Jason, that poor bag has black marks from the basket rubbing on it. I hope 
>>> it isn’t too noticeable, what a shame. I think it will be nice to see that 
>>> headbadge and my mismatched colored brakes again, too: 
>>>
>>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: image1.jpeg]
>>>
>>> Regarding smaller racks for the front: Didn’t Rivendell tell us Nitto no 
>>> longer wanted us using racks for baskets? Weren’t we supposed to only use 
>>> the Basket Rack for baskets? This is one hesitation I have with moving my 
>>> basket to the rear, but maybe I’m misunderstanding? 
>>>
>>> Also, what makes a Rivendell better with a rear pannier rack, Jason? I 
>>> have heard this more than once and am curious. I carried heavy front loads 
>>> on my Betty for years and never noticed a problem…but then I also never 
>>> noticed things like worn out chains and bald tires, so…. 
>>>
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Oct 9, 2022, at 3:24 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> "I think the rear basket looks quite good actually, to my surprise to 
>>> be honest!"
>>>
>>> Jason, I was surprised, too. I think it's the long stays, there's so 
>>> much room back there behind the saddle and it fills the space like it 
>>> belongs there. I like it! 
>>> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 10:49:33 AM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 I think the rear basket looks quite good actually, to my surprise to be 
 honest!  And up front, it'll allow that Fab's bag to hang without 
 impediment and you can mount the headlight off the fork crown, which are 
 some big wins in the elegance department. 

 I love the aesthetic and convenience of front cargo, but I'm coming to 
 accept that Rivs are best with a rear pannier rack and only a small front 
 "rando" rack and 137 basket for "overflow" capacity.  I pulled the Pass & 
 Stow rack off my Bombadil and am not looking back!  I'll put a small Nitto 
 rack on and will have saved over half a kg still.  
 On Saturday, 8 October 2022 at 17:57:45 UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> You already know what my opinion will be but I love to hear the sound 
> of my own voice so I'll say it anyway! 
>
> I think 

Re: [RBW] Nitto Basket Rack: is it too heavy?

[Joe Bernard]

All of what Jason said, and I'll add what I think I remember about Nitto's 
concern for Mark's Rack: I believe they worry about the adjustable struts 
and that most folks connect them at the mid-fork braze-ons; that's not a 
very strong load-bearing situation and things can get bad fast if the rack 
decides to slide down the struts. The Basket Rack has a lot more "putting 
too much stuff on it" security built in. 

Some of the floppiness of front loads show on Rivs is due to the high trail 
design. When you see rando bikes with a big boxy bag on the front those are 
usually low trail frames which actually handle better with a front load. I 
don't know why the math works this way but I had a Crust low trail bike and 
it felt twitchy and weird without a front load, I did NOT like it. High 
trail Rivs with loads on the rear, this is the way for me ‍♂️

Caveat: High vs. low trail will bring out the arguments with the quickness. 
This is one man's opinion! 

On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 12:57:19 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Oh yes, it will be great to see that brake and head badge again!  
> Hopefully the marks on the front bag aren't too noticeable since it'll be 
> "the back side" from most viewing angles. 
>
> Regarding using racks like the M-18 and M1-B with a basket: they do have a 
> pretty low load rating (4.4lbs?), though I am certain there's a large 
> safety margin vs. other rack brands. I add the irish strap connection from 
> the "tombstone" to the handlebar as a safeguard against failure. Also, if 
> you run a metal front fender, that will break the rack's "fall" if it fails 
> too. These two factors combined leave me unconcerned with running the small 
> racks with up to maybe 15lbs load.  More than that and the steering is 
> slowed down a lot anyway. This is a personal risk assessment, not a 
> recommendation! 
>
> Regarding pannier racks, there's no black and white, right or wrong, but I 
> find that especially with the long rear ends of modern Rivs, you barely 
> notice the weight on the rear rack compared to the front. They both do the 
> job, and I've carried heavy front loads on mine, but even with 40lbs on the 
> rear rack I find Rivs to ride quite normal, but put 40 lbs on the front and 
> it's a true upper body workout to steer, and if you had to suddenly swerve 
> around a car door or something, the slowed steering may become a danger
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, 9 October 2022 at 12:35:59 UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
>> Well, we are going to try it, so I’m glad you guys think it looks ok. 
>> Jason, that poor bag has black marks from the basket rubbing on it. I hope 
>> it isn’t too noticeable, what a shame. I think it will be nice to see that 
>> headbadge and my mismatched colored brakes again, too: 
>>
>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>
>>
>> [image: image1.jpeg]
>>
>> Regarding smaller racks for the front: Didn’t Rivendell tell us Nitto no 
>> longer wanted us using racks for baskets? Weren’t we supposed to only use 
>> the Basket Rack for baskets? This is one hesitation I have with moving my 
>> basket to the rear, but maybe I’m misunderstanding? 
>>
>> Also, what makes a Rivendell better with a rear pannier rack, Jason? I 
>> have heard this more than once and am curious. I carried heavy front loads 
>> on my Betty for years and never noticed a problem…but then I also never 
>> noticed things like worn out chains and bald tires, so…. 
>>
>> Leah
>>
>> On Oct 9, 2022, at 3:24 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> "I think the rear basket looks quite good actually, to my surprise to be 
>> honest!"
>>
>> Jason, I was surprised, too. I think it's the long stays, there's so much 
>> room back there behind the saddle and it fills the space like it belongs 
>> there. I like it! 
>> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 10:49:33 AM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> I think the rear basket looks quite good actually, to my surprise to be 
>>> honest!  And up front, it'll allow that Fab's bag to hang without 
>>> impediment and you can mount the headlight off the fork crown, which are 
>>> some big wins in the elegance department. 
>>>
>>> I love the aesthetic and convenience of front cargo, but I'm coming to 
>>> accept that Rivs are best with a rear pannier rack and only a small front 
>>> "rando" rack and 137 basket for "overflow" capacity.  I pulled the Pass & 
>>> Stow rack off my Bombadil and am not looking back!  I'll put a small Nitto 
>>> rack on and will have saved over half a kg still.  
>>> On Saturday, 8 October 2022 at 17:57:45 UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 You already know what my opinion will be but I love to hear the sound 
 of my own voice so I'll say it anyway! 

 I think your new plan is the way and the basket on the back looks fine. 
 I wouldn't worry about overloading the basket/bags..Platys aren't built 
 for 
 full-on touring loads but you've got a lot of triangulation back there 
 with 
 the mid-stays, I think you'll be fine. 

Re: [RBW] Nitto Basket Rack: is it too heavy?

[Jason Fuller]

Oh yes, it will be great to see that brake and head badge again!  Hopefully 
the marks on the front bag aren't too noticeable since it'll be "the back 
side" from most viewing angles. 

Regarding using racks like the M-18 and M1-B with a basket: they do have a 
pretty low load rating (4.4lbs?), though I am certain there's a large 
safety margin vs. other rack brands. I add the irish strap connection from 
the "tombstone" to the handlebar as a safeguard against failure. Also, if 
you run a metal front fender, that will break the rack's "fall" if it fails 
too. These two factors combined leave me unconcerned with running the small 
racks with up to maybe 15lbs load.  More than that and the steering is 
slowed down a lot anyway. This is a personal risk assessment, not a 
recommendation! 

Regarding pannier racks, there's no black and white, right or wrong, but I 
find that especially with the long rear ends of modern Rivs, you barely 
notice the weight on the rear rack compared to the front. They both do the 
job, and I've carried heavy front loads on mine, but even with 40lbs on the 
rear rack I find Rivs to ride quite normal, but put 40 lbs on the front and 
it's a true upper body workout to steer, and if you had to suddenly swerve 
around a car door or something, the slowed steering may become a danger





 




On Sunday, 9 October 2022 at 12:35:59 UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> Well, we are going to try it, so I’m glad you guys think it looks ok. 
> Jason, that poor bag has black marks from the basket rubbing on it. I hope 
> it isn’t too noticeable, what a shame. I think it will be nice to see that 
> headbadge and my mismatched colored brakes again, too: 
>
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
>
> [image: image1.jpeg]
>
> Regarding smaller racks for the front: Didn’t Rivendell tell us Nitto no 
> longer wanted us using racks for baskets? Weren’t we supposed to only use 
> the Basket Rack for baskets? This is one hesitation I have with moving my 
> basket to the rear, but maybe I’m misunderstanding? 
>
> Also, what makes a Rivendell better with a rear pannier rack, Jason? I 
> have heard this more than once and am curious. I carried heavy front loads 
> on my Betty for years and never noticed a problem…but then I also never 
> noticed things like worn out chains and bald tires, so…. 
>
> Leah
>
> On Oct 9, 2022, at 3:24 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> "I think the rear basket looks quite good actually, to my surprise to be 
> honest!"
>
> Jason, I was surprised, too. I think it's the long stays, there's so much 
> room back there behind the saddle and it fills the space like it belongs 
> there. I like it! 
> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 10:49:33 AM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> I think the rear basket looks quite good actually, to my surprise to be 
>> honest!  And up front, it'll allow that Fab's bag to hang without 
>> impediment and you can mount the headlight off the fork crown, which are 
>> some big wins in the elegance department. 
>>
>> I love the aesthetic and convenience of front cargo, but I'm coming to 
>> accept that Rivs are best with a rear pannier rack and only a small front 
>> "rando" rack and 137 basket for "overflow" capacity.  I pulled the Pass & 
>> Stow rack off my Bombadil and am not looking back!  I'll put a small Nitto 
>> rack on and will have saved over half a kg still.  
>> On Saturday, 8 October 2022 at 17:57:45 UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> You already know what my opinion will be but I love to hear the sound of 
>>> my own voice so I'll say it anyway! 
>>>
>>> I think your new plan is the way and the basket on the back looks fine. 
>>> I wouldn't worry about overloading the basket/bags..Platys aren't built for 
>>> full-on touring loads but you've got a lot of triangulation back there with 
>>> the mid-stays, I think you'll be fine. Just try to remember when you're e 
>>> in the store that you brought the bike, not a van! 藍
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 4:39:08 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 Piaw has a point. It could come to that! (A trailer.) I went out and 
 did a mock-up of how my bike would look with a rear basket. Not as nice, 
 but there would be no wheel flop and I’d lose the weight of that heavy 
 rack…

 Sent from my iPhone[image: image0.jpeg]

 On Oct 8, 2022, at 7:18 PM, Piaw Na  wrote:

 I think the "weight doesn't matter" statement only applies to say, the 
 3 pound difference between my Roadini and my custom Ti touring bike. 
 Nobody 
 would say that when comparing my Roadini and my triplet (65 pounds empty, 
 320+ pounds loaded with myself, 2 kids, a 2 panniers for a 3 week tour). 
 Having said that, even on the triplet I shave every ounce I can because it 
 matters when you're at your limit and you're climbing a mountain in 100F. 
 If I were Leah, I would get a trailer that I could easily mount/remove for 
 when I needed to carry a lot of stuff. I 

[RBW] Re: Your cyclist vs. motorist war/horror stories

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Scary.
In the other direction, I got a good foot planted on the hood of an 
obnoxious Bentley that was being disrespectful of bicycle cross traffic. 
The driver looked super pissed and horribly distraught all at once. Not a 
Joe Bell, but the paint was pretty nice. I’ll do the same to any car, but 
fancy ones are a bonus. Classic angry cyclist exercising his privilege, I 
know.
On the other hand, as a teen in Las Vegas, I was riding along the shoulder 
of a desolate section of road when a car traveling my way passed going 90 
or so. As they overtook me, I was surprised by something passing within 
inches of my head, the intense fizzy release sound in the distance ahead of 
me told me it had been an unopened can/missile. Knowing there was a red 
light not too far ahead, I never pedaled harder in my life in trying to 
catch them there, imagining that I’d send myself through their open window 
and try my best to kill everyone in the car. Luckily I never caught up…
Stupid all over the place, be safe out there, and always keep an eye out 
for escape routes
-Kai

On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 12:41:46 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> *First of all I'd like to note that starting this thread might not be a 
> great idea. But perhaps it would be a way for us to share some experiences, 
> vent or commiserate. *
>
> Well, I think a lot of us have been there. We've had a weird, scary, 
> too-close-for-comfort interaction with a motorist. It could be due to 
> driver inattention or downright overt aggression. It could have been your 
> fault or no fault of your own. Do you have a riding story involving a 
> motorist you'd like to share? 
>
> I live in Fredericksburg, VA, a small city built on a grid. We have an 
> historic district here, many streets are narrow with one-way traffic. There 
> are a few two-lane arteries designed to move cars. Posted speeds are 25 mph 
> (I always drive slower and leave my truck in 2nd gear). People drive like 
> maniacs on certain residential streets, sometimes reaching 50mph. I often 
> wish for more traffic calming infrastructure, crosswalks, speed tables and 
> the like. 
>
> In March 2021 I was riding my bike to the bike shop, about a 1.5 mile 
> trip. I was heading down a one-way street through a residential 
> neighborhood with street parking on the right and long, grassy, landscaped 
> park on the left. I was riding to the right side of the street. This 
> section of road has one lane and it is unusually wide. There is room for 
> someone to comfortably pass a cyclist. 
>
> Someone honked their horn at me but not in the "Hi, heads up, I'm about to 
> pass you please and thanks" sort of way but the "Get the fork off the 
> road!" kind of way. It was startling. I responded by taking the lane, which 
> is legal for cyclists in Virginia. I rode dead center in the middle of the 
> lane. I hoisted a one-finger salute and carried on riding. I rode in the 
> middle of the lane for approximately 100 feet before making a turn. 
>
> Yes, this was an escalation. And it was a bad decision. I don't think I'm 
> alone in feeling frustrated by displays of impatience and aggression from 
> drivers and feel that I have certain rights as a human person to ride 
> safely. It is sometimes difficult not to react in the moment. Motorists 
> might be not only impatient but totally deranged. Road rage is real. And 
> drivers are behind the wheel of a vehicle that is easily weaponized. With 
> just a feather of the gas pedal or a slight turn of the wheel they can 
> inflict irrevocable damage to a cyclist. 
>
> The driver responded to my salute by getting within a few feet of my back 
> wheel. When I  made a turn to carry on to the bike shop, they followed. I 
> could hear them revving their engine behind me and feathering the gas to 
> get close to my back wheel but not quite hit me. I continued to ride in the 
> middle of the road. 
>
> I heard something hit the street next to me. It was an unopened aluminum 
> can of a carbonated beverage (I didn't go back to check out whether it was 
> soda, beer or seltzer). Acknowledging the projectile I decided I had to 
> bail and get up on the sidewalk or somehow turn around to where the car 
> could not get to me. 
>
> As soon as I moved to the side to take a driveway apron up onto the 
> sidewalk the car passed me, then got right in front of me and slammed on 
> their brakes. I braked hard and managed not to do an endo onto their trunk 
> or hit their vehicle. The straddle cable hanger came loose from the front 
> brake cable. The driver sped off. I did not get their plates. 
>
> A few days later I went around the neighborhood and knocked on every door 
> with a doorbell camera that was along the path of my interaction with the 
> driver. Everyone I asked checked their footage but only one came back with 
> anything showing me or the driver. There was a clip of the driver revving 
> their engine behind me and throwing the can. You can see the can fly 
> 

Re: [RBW] Nitto Basket Rack: is it too heavy?

[Joe Bernard]

"I think the rear basket looks quite good actually, to my surprise to be 
honest!"

Jason, I was surprised, too. I think it's the long stays, there's so much 
room back there behind the saddle and it fills the space like it belongs 
there. I like it! 
On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 10:49:33 AM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I think the rear basket looks quite good actually, to my surprise to be 
> honest!  And up front, it'll allow that Fab's bag to hang without 
> impediment and you can mount the headlight off the fork crown, which are 
> some big wins in the elegance department. 
>
> I love the aesthetic and convenience of front cargo, but I'm coming to 
> accept that Rivs are best with a rear pannier rack and only a small front 
> "rando" rack and 137 basket for "overflow" capacity.  I pulled the Pass & 
> Stow rack off my Bombadil and am not looking back!  I'll put a small Nitto 
> rack on and will have saved over half a kg still.  
> On Saturday, 8 October 2022 at 17:57:45 UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> You already know what my opinion will be but I love to hear the sound of 
>> my own voice so I'll say it anyway! 
>>
>> I think your new plan is the way and the basket on the back looks fine. I 
>> wouldn't worry about overloading the basket/bags..Platys aren't built for 
>> full-on touring loads but you've got a lot of triangulation back there with 
>> the mid-stays, I think you'll be fine. Just try to remember when you're e 
>> in the store that you brought the bike, not a van! 藍
>>
>> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 4:39:08 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Piaw has a point. It could come to that! (A trailer.) I went out and did 
>>> a mock-up of how my bike would look with a rear basket. Not as nice, but 
>>> there would be no wheel flop and I’d lose the weight of that heavy rack…
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone[image: image0.jpeg]
>>>
>>> On Oct 8, 2022, at 7:18 PM, Piaw Na  wrote:
>>>
>>> I think the "weight doesn't matter" statement only applies to say, the 
>>> 3 pound difference between my Roadini and my custom Ti touring bike. Nobody 
>>> would say that when comparing my Roadini and my triplet (65 pounds empty, 
>>> 320+ pounds loaded with myself, 2 kids, a 2 panniers for a 3 week tour). 
>>> Having said that, even on the triplet I shave every ounce I can because it 
>>> matters when you're at your limit and you're climbing a mountain in 100F. 
>>> If I were Leah, I would get a trailer that I could easily mount/remove for 
>>> when I needed to carry a lot of stuff. I have had a Yakima single-wheeled 
>>> trailer for 20+ years (out of production now but a similar one can be found 
>>> here: 
>>> https://www.mayacycle.com/bike-trailer-products/maya-cycle-bike-trailer). 
>>> It easily detaches so when you have no load your bike rides like a normal 
>>> bike (no wheel flop, etc), and then when you attach it you get a trailer! 
>>> Even better, with the trailer there are ways of maneuvering it so that the 
>>> trailer acts as a kickstand.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 12:37:28 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 And now..a rant: 

 This topic brings up a rather glaring fallacy with the "weight doesn't 
 matter" ethos, you have to lift the darn thing sometimes. Every time I see 
 someone toss a 17 lbs. road bike up on a roof rack like a feather I sigh a 
 little. I love fully loaded steel bikes for the stuff they can do, but 
 they 
 can be a struggle to live with if you have to get them off the ground 
 regularly. 

 Joe "oh good..stairs" Bernard 

 On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 11:35:41 AM UTC-7 Robert Tilley wrote:

> I have that rack on my Hubbuhubbuh tandem. The rest of the bike is 
> heavy enough that I don’t even notice the rack weight. I like the 
> functionality of the rack so the weight doesn’t bother me much.
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 7, 2022, at 2:00 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi friends, 
>
>
> Can we just talk about the Nitto Basket Rack for one sec? 
>
> I was so excited when this was made and I got one soon after. I have 
> it on my Overkill Shopping Platypus, and I like the way it looks and its 
> utility but it is SO HEAVY. Noticeably heavy. Like, when I lift the 
> unloaded bike onto my van bike rack I struggle - and I’m no wimp. This 
> Platy outweighs my rear-racked and Backabike’d Clem, and I think the 
> Basket 
> Rack is mostly to blame. 
>
> I’m toying with the idea of removing it, but then I’d have to get a 
> new setup for my dyno headlight, so I hesitate. 
>
> I don’t think I’ve heard anyone else complain about the weight of the 
> Basket Rack; I feel like I’m the only one, which makes me suspect I’m 
> wrong. Before I do anything drastic, I just wanted to see if this has 
> been 

[RBW] WTB: Roly Poly 700x28

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Somebody have some? Lightly used OK.

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 

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[RBW] Good listen - Just like life, riding my bike doesn't always make sense. But that's why I love it

[Ashwath Akirekadu]

https://www.npr.org/2022/07/18/1089654169/bill-chappell-cycling

Really enjoyed this 4-min listen

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[RBW] For Sale Shiny Rack

[Ray Varella]

Offered is a Rivendell Shiny Rack 
As new, never used. All mounting hardware in original condition. 
$150 for local pickup 
$160 shipped

Email rayvarella007 at gmail dot com 

Thank you 
Ray

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Re: [RBW] Nitto Basket Rack: is it too heavy?

[Jason Fuller]

I think the rear basket looks quite good actually, to my surprise to be 
honest!  And up front, it'll allow that Fab's bag to hang without 
impediment and you can mount the headlight off the fork crown, which are 
some big wins in the elegance department. 

I love the aesthetic and convenience of front cargo, but I'm coming to 
accept that Rivs are best with a rear pannier rack and only a small front 
"rando" rack and 137 basket for "overflow" capacity.  I pulled the Pass & 
Stow rack off my Bombadil and am not looking back!  I'll put a small Nitto 
rack on and will have saved over half a kg still.  
On Saturday, 8 October 2022 at 17:57:45 UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> You already know what my opinion will be but I love to hear the sound of 
> my own voice so I'll say it anyway! 
>
> I think your new plan is the way and the basket on the back looks fine. I 
> wouldn't worry about overloading the basket/bags..Platys aren't built for 
> full-on touring loads but you've got a lot of triangulation back there with 
> the mid-stays, I think you'll be fine. Just try to remember when you're e 
> in the store that you brought the bike, not a van! 藍
>
> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 4:39:08 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Piaw has a point. It could come to that! (A trailer.) I went out and did 
>> a mock-up of how my bike would look with a rear basket. Not as nice, but 
>> there would be no wheel flop and I’d lose the weight of that heavy rack…
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone[image: image0.jpeg]
>>
>> On Oct 8, 2022, at 7:18 PM, Piaw Na  wrote:
>>
>> I think the "weight doesn't matter" statement only applies to say, the 3 
>> pound difference between my Roadini and my custom Ti touring bike. Nobody 
>> would say that when comparing my Roadini and my triplet (65 pounds empty, 
>> 320+ pounds loaded with myself, 2 kids, a 2 panniers for a 3 week tour). 
>> Having said that, even on the triplet I shave every ounce I can because it 
>> matters when you're at your limit and you're climbing a mountain in 100F. 
>> If I were Leah, I would get a trailer that I could easily mount/remove for 
>> when I needed to carry a lot of stuff. I have had a Yakima single-wheeled 
>> trailer for 20+ years (out of production now but a similar one can be found 
>> here: 
>> https://www.mayacycle.com/bike-trailer-products/maya-cycle-bike-trailer). 
>> It easily detaches so when you have no load your bike rides like a normal 
>> bike (no wheel flop, etc), and then when you attach it you get a trailer! 
>> Even better, with the trailer there are ways of maneuvering it so that the 
>> trailer acts as a kickstand.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 12:37:28 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> And now..a rant: 
>>>
>>> This topic brings up a rather glaring fallacy with the "weight doesn't 
>>> matter" ethos, you have to lift the darn thing sometimes. Every time I see 
>>> someone toss a 17 lbs. road bike up on a roof rack like a feather I sigh a 
>>> little. I love fully loaded steel bikes for the stuff they can do, but they 
>>> can be a struggle to live with if you have to get them off the ground 
>>> regularly. 
>>>
>>> Joe "oh good..stairs" Bernard 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 11:35:41 AM UTC-7 Robert Tilley wrote:
>>>
 I have that rack on my Hubbuhubbuh tandem. The rest of the bike is 
 heavy enough that I don’t even notice the rack weight. I like the 
 functionality of the rack so the weight doesn’t bother me much.

 Robert Tilley
 San Diego, CA

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 7, 2022, at 2:00 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
 jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:

 Hi friends, 


 Can we just talk about the Nitto Basket Rack for one sec? 

 I was so excited when this was made and I got one soon after. I have it 
 on my Overkill Shopping Platypus, and I like the way it looks and its 
 utility but it is SO HEAVY. Noticeably heavy. Like, when I lift the 
 unloaded bike onto my van bike rack I struggle - and I’m no wimp. This 
 Platy outweighs my rear-racked and Backabike’d Clem, and I think the 
 Basket 
 Rack is mostly to blame. 

 I’m toying with the idea of removing it, but then I’d have to get a new 
 setup for my dyno headlight, so I hesitate. 

 I don’t think I’ve heard anyone else complain about the weight of the 
 Basket Rack; I feel like I’m the only one, which makes me suspect I’m 
 wrong. Before I do anything drastic, I just wanted to see if this has been 
 anyone else’s experience. Is the Basket Rack a beast? Has anyone else 
 tried 
 it and disliked it? 

 I know there’s a whole discussion out there about carrying weight on 
 the front. I guess I’ve never had a real issue with it, aside from not 
 liking that the bars swing around when parked. I’m not really talking 
 about 
 THAT; I’m wondering if anyone else finds this Nitto rack unnecessarily 

[RBW] Re: WTB: Wavie Bar 750x31.8

[Jared Wilson]

Randy, I believe you're correct that they haven't actually made those 31.8 
Wavies yet.

I do have a pair of the new for 2022 and also currently sold out Bull Bar 
70cm x 31.8  I'm 
going to listing on the group if either of you are interested, $100 + 
shipping.

Jared

On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 9:21:24 AM UTC-7 larson@gmail.com wrote:

> I could be wrong, but I don’t think there is such a bar. I think it is 
> listed as a possible size, and was teased as a possibility in 2022. Someone 
> please correct me if this is incorrect - I’m very interested in this bar as 
> well!
> Randy in Wisconsin
>
> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 10:15:09 AM UTC-5 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> If you have a 750mm wide Wavie bar sitting around, I'd love to buy it 
>> from you. Please send me a PM. If you know another place besides Riv to 
>> source that bar, please let me know!
>>
>> I have the narrow one, but I want the wide one :)
>>
>> Loscos sweep back too much on my Gus, and the narrow Wavie's just aren't 
>> quite wide enough for the handling I want on the chunky single track. 
>> Tumbleweed Persuaders are just about perfect, but they are too wide and I 
>> don't want to cut them down before I give the wide Wavies a try.
>>
>> Paul in AR
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Wavie Bar 750x31.8

[Joe Mullins]

I think it’s only 700 wide but you can add those bar end extension things 
(can’t remember what they’re called) to make it wider. A buddy at Golden Saddle 
did that to his. 

Joe

> On Oct 9, 2022, at 9:21 AM, larson@gmail.com  
> wrote:
> 
> I could be wrong, but I don’t think there is such a bar. I think it is 
> listed as a possible size, and was teased as a possibility in 2022. Someone 
> please correct me if this is incorrect - I’m very interested in this bar as 
> well!
> Randy in Wisconsin
> 
>> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 10:15:09 AM UTC-5 Paul Clifton wrote:
>> If you have a 750mm wide Wavie bar sitting around, I'd love to buy it from 
>> you. Please send me a PM. If you know another place besides Riv to source 
>> that bar, please let me know!
>> 
>> I have the narrow one, but I want the wide one :)
>> 
>> Loscos sweep back too much on my Gus, and the narrow Wavie's just aren't 
>> quite wide enough for the handling I want on the chunky single track. 
>> Tumbleweed Persuaders are just about perfect, but they are too wide and I 
>> don't want to cut them down before I give the wide Wavies a try.
>> 
>> Paul in AR
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Wavie Bar 750x31.8

[larson....@gmail.com]

I could be wrong, but I don’t think there is such a bar. I think it is 
listed as a possible size, and was teased as a possibility in 2022. Someone 
please correct me if this is incorrect - I’m very interested in this bar as 
well!
Randy in Wisconsin

On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 10:15:09 AM UTC-5 Paul Clifton wrote:

> If you have a 750mm wide Wavie bar sitting around, I'd love to buy it from 
> you. Please send me a PM. If you know another place besides Riv to source 
> that bar, please let me know!
>
> I have the narrow one, but I want the wide one :)
>
> Loscos sweep back too much on my Gus, and the narrow Wavie's just aren't 
> quite wide enough for the handling I want on the chunky single track. 
> Tumbleweed Persuaders are just about perfect, but they are too wide and I 
> don't want to cut them down before I give the wide Wavies a try.
>
> Paul in AR
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Sunxcd 50.4 cranks 170mm or less or something else...

[Brian McDermott]

I went through a bit of a hoarding phase on 50.4 bcd cranksets, so I have a 
few pairs of Stronglights if you're interested in one. I also have a pair 
of TA's I may be willing to unload. 

On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 4:23:06 PM UTC-4 J wrote:

> Howdy folks,
>
> I'm preparing parts for a new bike and I'm stuck on cranksets. I'd like to 
> run, what I think is called a sub compact double, but something in the 
> range of 42-26, or 44-26. I could just buy shorter chainring bolts and pull 
> the outer big ring off a triple crank (Sugino AT?) like I've done for 
> years, but I was hoping to do something a bit better looking this time 
> around. 
>
> The Sunxcd is sold out everywhere, I've never been to keen on White 
> Industries and only having black chainrings, RH are beautiful but too 
> expensive, TA are tough to nab on ebay, I don't think I can get that low 
> with the Velo Orange Grand Cru. 
>
> 11-32 or 11-34 cassette. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Front low rider rack for Sam Hillborne

[Conway Bennett]

Here's how I did it:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/bQ6G2tBKHaWeErrr8

I never really used it, but I don't like racks and prefer large front 
handlebar bags.

On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 4:55:28 PM UTC-5 BobW wrote:

> I'm considering taking my Sam on some bike tours so looking into from 
> lowrider rack for front panniers.  I already have a rear Tubus rack, so 
> would be wanting to utilize the low riders for additional panniers.  
> Looking for suggestions for proven solutions that fit the same well.   BTW, 
> my Sam is a non-canti model - sidepull calipers.
>
> Thanks!!
>

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