[RBW] FS: SWOBO XL Wool SS JERSEYS

[Kim Hetzel]

I have three gently used mens Swobo XL wool jerseys made in San Francisco; 
green, blue and maroon and white. Unfortunately, they have various holes in 
all of them. See pictures. The royal blue jersey has the least amount of 
holes. The maroon jersey has the most. The green jersey is in the middle of 
count of holes.

I am unable to wear them no longer, because I have grown older and my body 
has changed to the point that the jerseys do not fit me no more.

I believe these jerseys would be a good fit for someone that wears a medium 
sized jersey with a lot of room or size large at best.

I just washed them with Woolite recently. They are clean and ready to go.

https://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/bop/d/yelm-swobo-xl-wool-ss-jerseys/7554948904.html

$150.00 for all three, shipped in the CONUS via payment through Paypal. 

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA.

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[RBW] Re: Platypus and Mini-Motos?

[Joe Bernard]

Or you'll find somebody who has MiniMotos on a Platy. Could go either way 😬

On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 6:52:23 PM UTC-8 CoalTrain wrote:

> I have Mini-Motos on my Platypus and love them, I run 42's with plenty of 
> room. I'll take a pic later on to show the clearance.
>
> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 8:14:57 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> You're probably not going to find someone with MiniMotos on a Platy so I 
>> did a bit of sleuthing. I have Motolites on my Riv custom with 47mm tires, 
>> the straddle wire height is 103mm, here's the clearance I show. MiniMotos 
>> have an 81mm straddle height, I think that 22mm difference is going to bite 
>> you and that's not including that one of the arms bends over even lower. 
>>
>> I'd recommend the Motolites for her bike, they're super extremely 
>> amazing. 
>>
>> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 3:38:40 PM UTC-8 stoker wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all - 
>>> I received my wife’s 50cm Platypus last week. I am setting it up with 
>>> Cliffhangers and 650b x 48 tires (Switchback Hills). I am wondering if 
>>> Mini-Motos would have sufficient clearance at the straddle wire. Has any 
>>> body tried this combination (or something similar?)
>>>
>>> Thanks all - Bob
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Platypus and Mini-Motos?

[CoalTrain]

I have Mini-Motos on my Platypus and love them, I run 42's with plenty of 
room. I'll take a pic later on to show the clearance.

On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 8:14:57 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> You're probably not going to find someone with MiniMotos on a Platy so I 
> did a bit of sleuthing. I have Motolites on my Riv custom with 47mm tires, 
> the straddle wire height is 103mm, here's the clearance I show. MiniMotos 
> have an 81mm straddle height, I think that 22mm difference is going to bite 
> you and that's not including that one of the arms bends over even lower. 
>
> I'd recommend the Motolites for her bike, they're super extremely amazing. 
>
> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 3:38:40 PM UTC-8 stoker wrote:
>
>> Hi all - 
>> I received my wife’s 50cm Platypus last week. I am setting it up with 
>> Cliffhangers and 650b x 48 tires (Switchback Hills). I am wondering if 
>> Mini-Motos would have sufficient clearance at the straddle wire. Has any 
>> body tried this combination (or something similar?)
>>
>> Thanks all - Bob
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] FOR SALE : 6 CRANKS -$100 FOR ALL

['Charlie' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Please contact me off list @ charliepe...@verizon.net

On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 5:32:18 PM UTC-5 aleksandr...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I will take these. Please. 
> Thank you
> Alex
>
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2022, 3:17 PM 'Charlie' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> 6 CRANKS  - $100 FOR ALL 
>>
>> SOME HAVE NEW RINGS $170 mm LENGTH EXCEPT 1 HAS 175 LENGTH
>>
>> A HAVE MATCHING LEFT ARMS 
>>
>> ALL GOOD RINGS - NO BENT CRANKS
>>
>> THE BAD : HARDLY ANY  BOLTS THAT HOLD THE RINGS TO CRANKS
>>
>> BCD = Bolt Circle Diameter
>>
>> SR CUSTOM 118 BCD - 170 LENGTH ARMS - 52-40 TEETH WITH EXTRA 36 TEETH 
>> CHAIN RING 
>>
>> SUGINO 110BCD - 74BCD - 170 LENGTH ARMS - 52-42-28 TEETH
>>
>> SAKAE 110 BCD - 74 BCD 170 LENGTH ARMS - 48-38-32 TEETH
>>
>> SUGINO 110 BCD - 170 LENGTH ARMS - 52-36 TEETH
>>
>> SUGINO AT (AERO TOUR) 110 BCD - 74 BCD - 52-42-23 TEETH
>>
>> SHIMANO 110BCD - 74BCD - 45-36 TEETHCIMG6605.JPGCIMG6603.JPG
>>
>> 6 CRANKS FOR $100+SHIPPING $22 CASH OR USPS MONEY ORDER (POST OFFICE )
>>NO OTHER MONEY ORDER
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: BxB Better Half frame bag

[Joe Mullins]

SOLD

On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 9:32:04 AM UTC-8 Joe Mullins wrote:

> I can't seem to identify what size this is on the Bags By Bird website. I 
> bought if about a year ago from Golden Saddle and I believe Jay's designs 
> have "refined" a little in that time. Check the photo for measurements. 
>
> I barely used it and its in great shape. There's a small dark mark on the 
> left side and you can still see the markings for when it was sewn. Those 
> are the only flaws I see. I believe the color is Ranger Green XPAC.
>
> $90 shipped to lower 48 or local pickup in Los Angeles.
>
> [image: bh1.jpg][image: bh2.jpg][image: bh3.jpg][image: bh4.jpg][image: 
> bh5.jpg][image: bh6.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: Kickstand plates, what's up with that?

[藍俊彪]

I once called up Bruce Gordon asking him if he would sell/recommend a child
seat for his racks. He gave me a earful! A short summary is that "you
wouldn't carry a sack of potatoes that way, so don't carry your kid that
way. Get a trailer!"

On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 5:50 PM  wrote:

> Good point, Michael!
>
> My kids ride on the Mac ride up front which helps with that. I insert or
> remove them while straddling the top tube. That would be hard to do with a
> rear seat.
>
> Best,
>
> Aaron in El Paso
>
> On Nov 7, 2022, at 18:46, Michael Baquerizo  wrote:
>
> leaning is all fine and good until you throw a kid on the back of your
> bike. my 32 pounder goes on while my pletscher double is out. sam hillborne.
>
>
>
> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 3:49:22 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>
>> Interesting discussions about benefits of and problems with kickstands.
>>
>> Richard, I'm totally with you about how useful the double is.
>>
>> For fun I looked back on Riv's website about 10 years ago (specifically
>> Oct 2011) to see what they had written about kickstands in general and the
>> double Pletschers in particular:
>>
>>
>> **
>>
>> *KICKSTANDS*
>>
>>- Every bike that isn’t strictly a race bike will benefit from a
>>kickstand, but kickstands turn off people by the tens of thousands. Why?
>>Because of old associations with cheap bikes? That may be it. It must be
>>it. But they’re no less functional on an expensive bike, and the expensive
>>bike is the one you’d most like to not fall over, isn’t it? The one you’d
>>least like to see topple?
>>- Clamp on kickstands can smash and wreck thin chainstays…so if you
>>have a history of stripping the threads on screws and peanut butter jar
>>lids, stay away. Wrap the stays with bar-tape. Clamp securely but not
>>oversecurely. Or better yet, get one of the Pletscher clamp-cushions we
>>offer.
>>- Few expensive bikes have brazed-on kickstand plates, but most of
>>ours (not the Roadeo) do. That makes kickstands easy and avoids clamping
>>damage. But it is possible to rip the weld apart if you, like, sit on the
>>bike and fall over on the kickstand side. It has happened. No need. Be
>>careful, and enjoy your kickstand.
>>- We sell the Swiss-made Pletscher model, not the almost as good
>>Greenfield. The story we heard is that Pletscher developed the inner 
>> spring
>>mechanism, and Greenfield has adopted it (in a business agreement). Either
>>way, they’re both good.
>>
>> *PLETSCHER TWIN-LEGGER*
>>
>>- Single-leggers are fine & the way to go for daily use.
>>- But if the lean angle exceeds such and such and the weight is more
>>than so and so, a single-legged kickstand will be overwhelmed.
>>- This Pletscher Two-Legger thrives in  those conditions.
>>- We wouldn't offer it if it weren't spectacular. Here's how it is:
>>- -- It works great.
>>   - -- It's clever.
>>   - -- It's Swiss.
>>   - -- It has heritage without being trendy and coveteous.
>>   - -- It's affordable, although just barely.
>>   - -- You can't buy it at the Five-and-Dime.
>>- It weighs about 1.6 pounds.
>>- As is the case with the single-letter kickstand, you have to cut it
>>to size.
>>- Here's what you do: []
>>
>>
>> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 3:23:35 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Right on, Richard.
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel
>>> Yelm, WA.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 12:20 PM Richard Rose  wrote:
>>>
 I have felt exactly the same for almost almost 50 years. Touring on my
 Clem last July my double kickstand was an absolute joy. While everyone else
 was looking around for something to lean on I was chilling. When their
 bikes were falling over, mine was solid. Plus, the nature of the Clem L,
 with no top tube along with the Bosco bar make unfriendly to the “lean”.
 The stand has become a favorite feature of the bike. But I am just an old
 slow guy:)

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Nov 7, 2022, at 12:33 PM, Will Boericke  wrote:

 If you can't find something to lean it on, keep riding.


 On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 11:47:34 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I'm a "leaner" as well.
>
> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 10:47:15 AM UTC-5 amill...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> It’s been my consistent observation and experience that kickstands
>> cause more damage than they offer any “solution.”
>>
>> It’s always been easy to lean my bike against something. Sometimes I
>> even lean it on the ground. It’s never fallen off the ground.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Aaron in El Paso
>>
>> On Nov 7, 2022, at 08:41, Mark C  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> I don't think the single kickstands put all that much stress on the
>> plate. The double stands are a whole nother thing. I have no idea how
>> people use theirs, but there is a temptatio

Re: [RBW] Re: Kickstand plates, what's up with that?

[amillhench]

Good point, Michael!

My kids ride on the Mac ride up front which helps with that. I insert or remove 
them while straddling the top tube. That would be hard to do with a rear seat. 

Best,

Aaron in El Paso 

On Nov 7, 2022, at 18:46, Michael Baquerizo  wrote:

leaning is all fine and good until you throw a kid on the back of your bike. 
my 32 pounder goes on while my pletscher double is out. sam hillborne.



On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 3:49:22 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
> Interesting discussions about benefits of and problems with kickstands. 
> 
> Richard, I'm totally with you about how useful the double is. 
> 
> For fun I looked back on Riv's website about 10 years ago (specifically Oct 
> 2011) to see what they had written about kickstands in general and the double 
> Pletschers in particular:
> 
> 
> 
> KICKSTANDS
> Every bike that isn’t strictly a race bike will benefit from a kickstand, but 
> kickstands turn off people by the tens of thousands. Why? Because of old 
> associations with cheap bikes? That may be it. It must be it. But they’re no 
> less functional on an expensive bike, and the expensive bike is the one you’d 
> most like to not fall over, isn’t it? The one you’d least like to see topple?
> Clamp on kickstands can smash and wreck thin chainstays…so if you have a 
> history of stripping the threads on screws and peanut butter jar lids, stay 
> away. Wrap the stays with bar-tape. Clamp securely but not oversecurely. Or 
> better yet, get one of the Pletscher clamp-cushions we offer.
> Few expensive bikes have brazed-on kickstand plates, but most of ours (not 
> the Roadeo) do. That makes kickstands easy and avoids clamping damage. But it 
> is possible to rip the weld apart if you, like, sit on the bike and fall over 
> on the kickstand side. It has happened. No need. Be careful, and enjoy your 
> kickstand.
> We sell the Swiss-made Pletscher model, not the almost as good Greenfield. 
> The story we heard is that Pletscher developed the inner spring mechanism, 
> and Greenfield has adopted it (in a business agreement). Either way, they’re 
> both good.
> PLETSCHER TWIN-LEGGER
> Single-leggers are fine & the way to go for daily use.
> But if the lean angle exceeds such and such and the weight is more than so 
> and so, a single-legged kickstand will be overwhelmed.
> This Pletscher Two-Legger thrives in  those conditions.
> We wouldn't offer it if it weren't spectacular. Here's how it is:
> -- It works great.
> -- It's clever.
> -- It's Swiss.
> -- It has heritage without being trendy and coveteous.
> -- It's affordable, although just barely.
> -- You can't buy it at the Five-and-Dime.
> It weighs about 1.6 pounds.
> As is the case with the single-letter kickstand, you have to cut it to size.
> Here's what you do: []
> 
> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 3:23:35 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Right on, Richard. 
>> 
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA. 
>> 
>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 12:20 PM Richard Rose  wrote:
>>> I have felt exactly the same for almost almost 50 years. Touring on my Clem 
>>> last July my double kickstand was an absolute joy. While everyone else was 
>>> looking around for something to lean on I was chilling. When their bikes 
>>> were falling over, mine was solid. Plus, the nature of the Clem L, with no 
>>> top tube along with the Bosco bar make unfriendly to the “lean”. The stand 
>>> has become a favorite feature of the bike. But I am just an old slow guy:)
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Nov 7, 2022, at 12:33 PM, Will Boericke  wrote:
 
 If you can't find something to lean it on, keep riding.
 
 
 On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 11:47:34 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
> I'm a "leaner" as well.
> 
> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 10:47:15 AM UTC-5 amill...@gmail.com wrote:
>> It’s been my consistent observation and experience that kickstands cause 
>> more damage than they offer any “solution.”
>> 
>> It’s always been easy to lean my bike against something. Sometimes I 
>> even lean it on the ground. It’s never fallen off the ground. 
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Aaron in El Paso 
>> 
>> On Nov 7, 2022, at 08:41, Mark C  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I don't think the single kickstands put all that much stress on the 
>> plate. The double stands are a whole nother thing. I have no idea how 
>> people use theirs, but there is a temptation to push the bike off of the 
>> stand (like on a motorcycle) rather than pick the rear of the bike up 
>> and close the stand. That puts a lot of stress on the front of the plate 
>> that could easily lead to the kind of damage shown here. These stands 
>> are handy for keeping the bike upright with loads, and there shouldn't 
>> be excessive stress in that position. On recumbents, people even try to 
>> sit on the bike while on the stand! - not a good idea.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sunday, Nove

Re: [RBW] Re: Kickstand plates, what's up with that?

[Michael Baquerizo]

leaning is all fine and good until you throw a kid on the back of your 
bike. my 32 pounder goes on while my pletscher double is out. sam hillborne.



On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 3:49:22 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:

> Interesting discussions about benefits of and problems with kickstands. 
>
> Richard, I'm totally with you about how useful the double is. 
>
> For fun I looked back on Riv's website about 10 years ago (specifically 
> Oct 2011) to see what they had written about kickstands in general and the 
> double Pletschers in particular:
>
>
> **
>
> *KICKSTANDS*
>
>- Every bike that isn’t strictly a race bike will benefit from a 
>kickstand, but kickstands turn off people by the tens of thousands. Why? 
>Because of old associations with cheap bikes? That may be it. It must be 
>it. But they’re no less functional on an expensive bike, and the expensive 
>bike is the one you’d most like to not fall over, isn’t it? The one you’d 
>least like to see topple?
>- Clamp on kickstands can smash and wreck thin chainstays…so if you 
>have a history of stripping the threads on screws and peanut butter jar 
>lids, stay away. Wrap the stays with bar-tape. Clamp securely but not 
>oversecurely. Or better yet, get one of the Pletscher clamp-cushions we 
>offer.
>- Few expensive bikes have brazed-on kickstand plates, but most of 
>ours (not the Roadeo) do. That makes kickstands easy and avoids clamping 
>damage. But it is possible to rip the weld apart if you, like, sit on the 
>bike and fall over on the kickstand side. It has happened. No need. Be 
>careful, and enjoy your kickstand.
>- We sell the Swiss-made Pletscher model, not the almost as good 
>Greenfield. The story we heard is that Pletscher developed the inner 
> spring 
>mechanism, and Greenfield has adopted it (in a business agreement). Either 
>way, they’re both good.
>
> *PLETSCHER TWIN-LEGGER*
>
>- Single-leggers are fine & the way to go for daily use.
>- But if the lean angle exceeds such and such and the weight is more 
>than so and so, a single-legged kickstand will be overwhelmed.
>- This Pletscher Two-Legger thrives in  those conditions.
>- We wouldn't offer it if it weren't spectacular. Here's how it is:
>- -- It works great.
>   - -- It's clever.
>   - -- It's Swiss.
>   - -- It has heritage without being trendy and coveteous.
>   - -- It's affordable, although just barely.
>   - -- You can't buy it at the Five-and-Dime.
>- It weighs about 1.6 pounds.
>- As is the case with the single-letter kickstand, you have to cut it 
>to size.
>- Here's what you do: []
>
>
> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 3:23:35 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Right on, Richard. 
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA. 
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 12:20 PM Richard Rose  wrote:
>>
>>> I have felt exactly the same for almost almost 50 years. Touring on my 
>>> Clem last July my double kickstand was an absolute joy. While everyone else 
>>> was looking around for something to lean on I was chilling. When their 
>>> bikes were falling over, mine was solid. Plus, the nature of the Clem L, 
>>> with no top tube along with the Bosco bar make unfriendly to the “lean”. 
>>> The stand has become a favorite feature of the bike. But I am just an old 
>>> slow guy:)
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 7, 2022, at 12:33 PM, Will Boericke  wrote:
>>>
>>> If you can't find something to lean it on, keep riding.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 11:47:34 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 I'm a "leaner" as well.

 On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 10:47:15 AM UTC-5 amill...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> It’s been my consistent observation and experience that kickstands 
> cause more damage than they offer any “solution.”
>
> It’s always been easy to lean my bike against something. Sometimes I 
> even lean it on the ground. It’s never fallen off the ground. 
>
> Best,
>
> Aaron in El Paso 
>
> On Nov 7, 2022, at 08:41, Mark C  wrote:
>
> 
> I don't think the single kickstands put all that much stress on the 
> plate. The double stands are a whole nother thing. I have no idea how 
> people use theirs, but there is a temptation to push the bike off of the 
> stand (like on a motorcycle) rather than pick the rear of the bike up and 
> close the stand. That puts a lot of stress on the front of the plate that 
> could easily lead to the kind of damage shown here. These stands are 
> handy 
> for keeping the bike upright with loads, and there shouldn't be excessive 
> stress in that position. On recumbents, people even try to sit on the 
> bike 
> while on the stand! - not a good idea.
>
>
>
> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 10:30:20 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>
>> So here’s a pic of the plate on an unpai

[RBW] FS: 1985 Ritchey Ascent (XXL/23”) – $1300

[Luke Hendrickson]

I’m moving along my vintage Ritchey mountain bike as I’m just not riding it 
all that much (my Riv’s just too much fun!).

Made by Toyo for Ritchey, almost all of this is first gen Shimano XT (Deer 
Head) along with some super rare high flange black XT hubs. The rear 
brake’s a Suntour roller cam u-brake. The current tires (not pictured here) 
are NOS Tioga Psycho II tires from the early 90s and shred super hard. 
Superlative handling that’s very zippy and fun. Full hand brake levers from 
Suntour, a worn in Brooks B17 saddle, nifty olive paint job, 45-36-24 
chainrings, and a cute lil’ Velo Orange bell top it all off. Feel free to 
ask any questions. I’m open to *reasonable* offers and also wish to sell 
this locally (greater Bay Area).

See here for some backstory: https://theradavist.com/ritchey-ascent-review/

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[RBW] Re: Platypus and Mini-Motos?

[Johnny Alien]

I don't have minimotos but I do use mini v's on my proto-Gallop and I would 
think that would be really tight. I had Ultradynamico Cavas on it (which 
are around 48) and it was really close. I think the minimotos are not quite 
as tall as what I have and the RH tires run true to size. So I can't say 
for suremaybe? I would lean toward not working.

On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 6:38:40 PM UTC-5 stoker wrote:

> Hi all - 
> I received my wife’s 50cm Platypus last week. I am setting it up with 
> Cliffhangers and 650b x 48 tires (Switchback Hills). I am wondering if 
> Mini-Motos would have sufficient clearance at the straddle wire. Has any 
> body tried this combination (or something similar?)
>
> Thanks all - Bob
>

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[RBW] Platypus and Mini-Motos?

[stoker]

Hi all - 
I received my wife’s 50cm Platypus last week. I am setting it up with 
Cliffhangers and 650b x 48 tires (Switchback Hills). I am wondering if 
Mini-Motos would have sufficient clearance at the straddle wire. Has any 
body tried this combination (or something similar?)

Thanks all - Bob

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Re: [RBW] Sharing Your Fall Foliage Fotos 2022

[Ryan Frahm]

I meant to put that! Spokane Washington here. Those trees were put in our 
neighborhood, mostly pines around otherwise. 

On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 12:58:12 PM UTC-8 Tirebiter ATX wrote:

> wow!
>
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 2:56 PM Steven Sweedler  wrote:
>
>> Beautiful picture, would love to know the locations of these different 
>> pictures to see how much longer the foliage lasts in different climes. Steve
>> Plymouth, NH where most of the leaves are down except Beech and Oak
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 11:29 AM Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>>
>>> [image: 5751DB70-4EAD-4F1F-AE8C-0D12DE484965.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>> This was headed into our neighborhood about a week ago. Everything is 
>>> covered in snow this morning though. This day might have been the peak for 
>>> these!
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 8:10:15 AM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Thank-you for the clarification, Peter.

 Kim Hetzel
 Yelm, WA. 

 On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 3:23:07 AM UTC-8 peter...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> That's the shop, not our house. The house is well off to the left, out 
> of the photo.
>
> On Sun, Nov 6, 2022 at 8:12 PM Kim Hetzel  wrote:
>
>> Thank-you, Peter. It is a beautiful picture of contrast. Nice to see 
>> the whole front of your home from visiting your website in purchasing 
>> products from you in the past. 
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA. 
>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 3:00:01 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Lovely, Peter 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 1:21:35 PM UTC-5 jmlmu...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Wow amazing Peter! I've tried (and failed) on numerous occasions to 
 keep one of those alive. I got tired of killing them. 

 All these beautiful shots inspired me to go find a "fall" photo in 
 Los Angeles! I will find one for y'all.

 Joe in Los Angeles

 On Sun, Nov 6, 2022 at 10:02 AM Peter White  
 wrote:

> [image: L1000151.jpeg]
>
> The Japanese Maple tree in front of the shop last week.
>
> On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 2:29 PM Eric Marth  
> wrote:
>
>> Great pics Takashi and Brady :) 
>>
>> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 10:42:00 AM UTC-4 Takashi wrote:
>>
>>> After all the colorful photos, Brady's snowy photo almost looks 
>>> like monochrome (except for the bike).
>>>
>>> Here are couple of photos from today's ride.
>>> It was like a bit too late for the peak colorfulness, but it was 
>>> still enjoyable.
>>>
>>> Takashi
>>>
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[RBW] Re: 57cm lugged Roadini Protovelo

[amillhench]

$1250 complete plus shipping.

$850 frame, fork, headset plus shipping.

Thanks!

Best,

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[RBW] FS: Bikepacking Klite Dynamo+charger setup

[Collin A]

Hey Folks,

As daylight savings has officially ended (thank goodness), I have a pretty 
bomber bikepacking dynamo setup for sale that is more-or-less plug-and-play 
if you have a son dynamo hub.

Photos here:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/yxTf6ktEkReBac5b9

It includes the following:

   - A 'gravel' headlight with a gopro adapter mount - this thing is super 
   bright, and really puts out the lumens - great for middle-of-nowhere riding
   - dual USB charger (one port to have the lights in full time, the other 
   for a usb charger)
   - 'always on' light switch to connect to a son hub using the son coax 
   cable. This thing has a switch to let you turn on the front light - it 
   doubles as a quick flasher if you want someone's attention
   - single blinky rear light to plug into the usb charger.
   - double blinky rear light (can be used instead of the single, or with 
   the double for 3 flashing rear lights)
   - a couple chainstay gopro mounts, and a 31.8 handlebar kedge dynamo 
   mount

Asking for $450 + shipping (probably $15-ish) via USPS priority.

Cheers,
Collin in Sactown

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Re: [RBW] Re: Kickstand plates, what's up with that?

[J J]

Interesting discussions about benefits of and problems with kickstands. 

Richard, I'm totally with you about how useful the double is. 

For fun I looked back on Riv's website about 10 years ago (specifically Oct 
2011) to see what they had written about kickstands in general and the 
double Pletschers in particular:


**

*KICKSTANDS*

   - Every bike that isn’t strictly a race bike will benefit from a 
   kickstand, but kickstands turn off people by the tens of thousands. Why? 
   Because of old associations with cheap bikes? That may be it. It must be 
   it. But they’re no less functional on an expensive bike, and the expensive 
   bike is the one you’d most like to not fall over, isn’t it? The one you’d 
   least like to see topple?
   - Clamp on kickstands can smash and wreck thin chainstays…so if you have 
   a history of stripping the threads on screws and peanut butter jar lids, 
   stay away. Wrap the stays with bar-tape. Clamp securely but not 
   oversecurely. Or better yet, get one of the Pletscher clamp-cushions we 
   offer.
   - Few expensive bikes have brazed-on kickstand plates, but most of ours 
   (not the Roadeo) do. That makes kickstands easy and avoids clamping damage. 
   But it is possible to rip the weld apart if you, like, sit on the bike and 
   fall over on the kickstand side. It has happened. No need. Be careful, and 
   enjoy your kickstand.
   - We sell the Swiss-made Pletscher model, not the almost as good 
   Greenfield. The story we heard is that Pletscher developed the inner spring 
   mechanism, and Greenfield has adopted it (in a business agreement). Either 
   way, they’re both good.

*PLETSCHER TWIN-LEGGER*

   - Single-leggers are fine & the way to go for daily use.
   - But if the lean angle exceeds such and such and the weight is more 
   than so and so, a single-legged kickstand will be overwhelmed.
   - This Pletscher Two-Legger thrives in  those conditions.
   - We wouldn't offer it if it weren't spectacular. Here's how it is:
   - -- It works great.
  - -- It's clever.
  - -- It's Swiss.
  - -- It has heritage without being trendy and coveteous.
  - -- It's affordable, although just barely.
  - -- You can't buy it at the Five-and-Dime.
   - It weighs about 1.6 pounds.
   - As is the case with the single-letter kickstand, you have to cut it to 
   size.
   - Here's what you do: []


On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 3:23:35 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Right on, Richard. 
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA. 
>
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 12:20 PM Richard Rose  wrote:
>
>> I have felt exactly the same for almost almost 50 years. Touring on my 
>> Clem last July my double kickstand was an absolute joy. While everyone else 
>> was looking around for something to lean on I was chilling. When their 
>> bikes were falling over, mine was solid. Plus, the nature of the Clem L, 
>> with no top tube along with the Bosco bar make unfriendly to the “lean”. 
>> The stand has become a favorite feature of the bike. But I am just an old 
>> slow guy:)
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 7, 2022, at 12:33 PM, Will Boericke  wrote:
>>
>> If you can't find something to lean it on, keep riding.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 11:47:34 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> I'm a "leaner" as well.
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 10:47:15 AM UTC-5 amill...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 It’s been my consistent observation and experience that kickstands 
 cause more damage than they offer any “solution.”

 It’s always been easy to lean my bike against something. Sometimes I 
 even lean it on the ground. It’s never fallen off the ground. 

 Best,

 Aaron in El Paso 

 On Nov 7, 2022, at 08:41, Mark C  wrote:

 
 I don't think the single kickstands put all that much stress on the 
 plate. The double stands are a whole nother thing. I have no idea how 
 people use theirs, but there is a temptation to push the bike off of the 
 stand (like on a motorcycle) rather than pick the rear of the bike up and 
 close the stand. That puts a lot of stress on the front of the plate that 
 could easily lead to the kind of damage shown here. These stands are handy 
 for keeping the bike upright with loads, and there shouldn't be excessive 
 stress in that position. On recumbents, people even try to sit on the bike 
 while on the stand! - not a good idea.



 On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 10:30:20 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:

> So here’s a pic of the plate on an unpainted Glorius, which gives a 
> pretty good  view of the weld to one of the chainstays. (We’ve not 
> bothered 
> to put the kickstand mounting hardware on this yet because it’s lightly 
> ridden and has not carried but the smallest loads.) 
>
> I agree that the plates are dainty relative to the sheer burliness of 
> bikes like the Bombadil and Hunqapillar

Re: [RBW] Re: Kickstand plates, what's up with that?

[Kim Hetzel]

Right on, Richard.

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA.

On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 12:20 PM Richard Rose  wrote:

> I have felt exactly the same for almost almost 50 years. Touring on my
> Clem last July my double kickstand was an absolute joy. While everyone else
> was looking around for something to lean on I was chilling. When their
> bikes were falling over, mine was solid. Plus, the nature of the Clem L,
> with no top tube along with the Bosco bar make unfriendly to the “lean”.
> The stand has become a favorite feature of the bike. But I am just an old
> slow guy:)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 7, 2022, at 12:33 PM, Will Boericke  wrote:
>
> If you can't find something to lean it on, keep riding.
>
>
> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 11:47:34 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I'm a "leaner" as well.
>>
>> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 10:47:15 AM UTC-5 amill...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It’s been my consistent observation and experience that kickstands cause
>>> more damage than they offer any “solution.”
>>>
>>> It’s always been easy to lean my bike against something. Sometimes I
>>> even lean it on the ground. It’s never fallen off the ground.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Aaron in El Paso
>>>
>>> On Nov 7, 2022, at 08:41, Mark C  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> I don't think the single kickstands put all that much stress on the
>>> plate. The double stands are a whole nother thing. I have no idea how
>>> people use theirs, but there is a temptation to push the bike off of the
>>> stand (like on a motorcycle) rather than pick the rear of the bike up and
>>> close the stand. That puts a lot of stress on the front of the plate that
>>> could easily lead to the kind of damage shown here. These stands are handy
>>> for keeping the bike upright with loads, and there shouldn't be excessive
>>> stress in that position. On recumbents, people even try to sit on the bike
>>> while on the stand! - not a good idea.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 10:30:20 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>>>
 So here’s a pic of the plate on an unpainted Glorius, which gives a
 pretty good  view of the weld to one of the chainstays. (We’ve not bothered
 to put the kickstand mounting hardware on this yet because it’s lightly
 ridden and has not carried but the smallest loads.)

 I agree that the plates are dainty relative to the sheer burliness of
 bikes like the Bombadil and Hunqapillar. I also don’t see any technical
 reason the plates could not be reinforced to withstand the sorts of loads
 these burly bikes are built for. I would be fine with the additional weight
 it would probably take.  I love how practical a double kickstand is and I’m
 so used to it that I can’t imagine using a single on my Hunq.

 Joe, nothing you wrote was lame…  I think I alluded to the phone mount
 being a weak point in Leah’s scenario without naming it specifically, and I
 feel much more secure knowing you agree with my assessment!

 [image: Glorius kickstand plate.jpg]





 On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 9:17:46 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> The Bombadil, despite being such a burly bike itself, has a most
> dainty kickstand plate - so much so that I've removed the kickstand from
> that bike just to avoid bending it and potentially damaging the chainstays
> in the process. Grant recognized the shortcoming and thickened the plate 
> in
> subsequent models but like Joe rightly noted, the double leg kickstands 
> are
> dangerous if not careful and this is, to my understanding, why Riv stopped
> selling them.
>
> On Sunday, 6 November 2022 at 17:59:00 UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> You're welcome! Although I now realize my follow-up was completely
>> redundant, i didn't notice Jim had mentioned the plastic clamp, too, I 
>> just
>> repeated what he said. Lame! 🤪
>>
>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 5:39:43 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> Whew, thanks, guys! Super relieved. You have no idea.
>>>
>>> On Nov 6, 2022, at 2:10 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> Seconding Jim's thoughts about your phone mount. I see a
>>> turn-by-hand screw and plastic clamp, you'll break the clamp before
>>> crushing the bar if you ever screwed it down that hard.
>>>
>>>
>>> A little blue Loctite on the threads of that screw should keep it
>>> tight.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 4:33:20 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 I read the product description which warns of over tightening and
 ruining the frame. And then I thought of my new phone handlebar mount 
 that
 affixes to the bar like a vice and wondered if I’m ruining my Billie 
 Bars!
 I find myself having to tighten it a smidge now and then, and I wonder 
 if
 it’s because it’s mashing the aluminum Billie Bar.

Re: [RBW] Re: Kickstand plates, what's up with that?

[Richard Rose]

I have felt exactly the same for almost almost 50 years. Touring on my Clem 
last July my double kickstand was an absolute joy. While everyone else was 
looking around for something to lean on I was chilling. When their bikes were 
falling over, mine was solid. Plus, the nature of the Clem L, with no top tube 
along with the Bosco bar make unfriendly to the “lean”. The stand has become a 
favorite feature of the bike. But I am just an old slow guy:)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 7, 2022, at 12:33 PM, Will Boericke  wrote:
> 
> If you can't find something to lean it on, keep riding.
> 
> 
>> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 11:47:34 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>> I'm a "leaner" as well.
>> 
>>> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 10:47:15 AM UTC-5 amill...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> It’s been my consistent observation and experience that kickstands cause 
>>> more damage than they offer any “solution.”
>>> 
>>> It’s always been easy to lean my bike against something. Sometimes I even 
>>> lean it on the ground. It’s never fallen off the ground. 
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Aaron in El Paso 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 7, 2022, at 08:41, Mark C  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I don't think the single kickstands put all that much stress on the plate. 
>>> The double stands are a whole nother thing. I have no idea how people use 
>>> theirs, but there is a temptation to push the bike off of the stand (like 
>>> on a motorcycle) rather than pick the rear of the bike up and close the 
>>> stand. That puts a lot of stress on the front of the plate that could 
>>> easily lead to the kind of damage shown here. These stands are handy for 
>>> keeping the bike upright with loads, and there shouldn't be excessive 
>>> stress in that position. On recumbents, people even try to sit on the bike 
>>> while on the stand! - not a good idea.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 10:30:20 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
 So here’s a pic of the plate on an unpainted Glorius, which gives a pretty 
 good  view of the weld to one of the chainstays. (We’ve not bothered to 
 put the kickstand mounting hardware on this yet because it’s lightly 
 ridden and has not carried but the smallest loads.) 
 
 I agree that the plates are dainty relative to the sheer burliness of 
 bikes like the Bombadil and Hunqapillar. I also don’t see any technical 
 reason the plates could not be reinforced to withstand the sorts of loads 
 these burly bikes are built for. I would be fine with the additional 
 weight it would probably take.  I love how practical a double kickstand is 
 and I’m so used to it that I can’t imagine using a single on my Hunq.
 
 Joe, nothing you wrote was lame…  I think I alluded to the phone mount 
 being a weak point in Leah’s scenario without naming it specifically, and 
 I feel much more secure knowing you agree with my assessment!  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 9:17:46 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
> The Bombadil, despite being such a burly bike itself, has a most dainty 
> kickstand plate - so much so that I've removed the kickstand from that 
> bike just to avoid bending it and potentially damaging the chainstays in 
> the process. Grant recognized the shortcoming and thickened the plate in 
> subsequent models but like Joe rightly noted, the double leg kickstands 
> are dangerous if not careful and this is, to my understanding, why Riv 
> stopped selling them. 
> 
>> On Sunday, 6 November 2022 at 17:59:00 UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>> You're welcome! Although I now realize my follow-up was completely 
>> redundant, i didn't notice Jim had mentioned the plastic clamp, too, I 
>> just repeated what he said. Lame! 🤪
>> 
>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 5:39:43 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>> Whew, thanks, guys! Super relieved. You have no idea. 
>>> 
> On Nov 6, 2022, at 2:10 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
 Seconding Jim's thoughts about your phone mount. I see a turn-by-hand 
 screw and plastic clamp, you'll break the clamp before crushing the 
 bar if you ever screwed it down that hard. 
>>> 
 
 A little blue Loctite on the threads of that screw should keep it 
 tight. 
 
> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 4:33:20 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
> I read the product description which warns of over tightening and 
> ruining the frame. And then I thought of my new phone handlebar mount 
> that affixes to the bar like a vice and wondered if I’m ruining my 
> Billie Bars! I find myself having to tighten it a smidge now and 
> then, and I wonder if it’s because it’s mashing the aluminum Billie 
> Bar. Can anyone offer an opinion here? (I got a new iPhone and it’s 
> huge and heavy, for what it’s worth.)
> 

[RBW] FS: SWOBO XL Wool SS JERSEYS

[Kim Hetzel]

I have three gently used mens Swobo XL wool jerseys made in San Francisco; 
green, blue and maroon and white. Unfortunately, they have various holes in 
all of them. See pictures. The royal blue jersey has the least amount of 
holes. The maroon jersey has the most. The green jersey is in the middle of 
count of holes. 

I am unable to wear them no longer, because I have grown older and my body 
has changed to the point that the jerseys do not fit me no more. 

I believe these jerseys would be a good fit for someone that wears a medium 
sized jersey with a lot of room or size large at best. 

I just washed them with Woolite recently. They are clean and ready to go. 

$150.00 for all three, shipped in the CONUS via payment through Paypal. 

Maroon jersey:

https://i.imgur.com/HApP5go.jpg
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Green Jersey:
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Blue Jersey:
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Re: [RBW] Re: Kickstand plates, what's up with that?

[Kim Hetzel]

"Ride like the Wind"- The Youngbloods

On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 11:38:45 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote:

> My Raleigh three speed in the 70's may have had a kickstand, and yet even 
> with one, the bike can still fall over if the ground or the kickstand 
> itself isn't "just right". Where I ride now out in the country they would 
> be of no value as the terrain where I stop is highly "irregular". Even if 
> they were effective, I still would not use one as I always have something 
> to lean it against, or on  yeah  the ground never fails and quite 
> secure. My bikes, mostly the Bombadil which like all such frames are too 
> wheel floppy for my preference, have fallen over a few times, mostly at 
> home outside the garage on asphalt, with nothing more than a scuffed bar 
> end brake lever.  Where I live, flat level ground is very rare. Three 
> cheers for living in the country ! ! !  Sure, carrying a strap to secure 
> the front wheel is an idea, or some other doohickey . but going through 
> all that every time you stop sheesh .too much !
>
> Just ride like the Wind  It never fails and never falls over ! 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Kickstand plates, what's up with that?

[Kim Hetzel]

"Ride the Wind" - The Youngbloods.

On Mon, Nov 7, 2022, 11:38 AM Garth  wrote:

> My Raleigh three speed in the 70's may have had a kickstand, and yet even
> with one, the bike can still fall over if the ground or the kickstand
> itself isn't "just right". Where I ride now out in the country they would
> be of no value as the terrain where I stop is highly "irregular". Even if
> they were effective, I still would not use one as I always have something
> to lean it against, or on  yeah  the ground never fails and quite
> secure. My bikes, mostly the Bombadil which like all such frames are too
> wheel floppy for my preference, have fallen over a few times, mostly at
> home outside the garage on asphalt, with nothing more than a scuffed bar
> end brake lever.  Where I live, flat level ground is very rare. Three
> cheers for living in the country ! ! !  Sure, carrying a strap to secure
> the front wheel is an idea, or some other doohickey . but going through
> all that every time you stop sheesh .too much !
>
> Just ride like the Wind  It never fails and never falls over !
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Kickstand plates, what's up with that?

[Garth]

My Raleigh three speed in the 70's may have had a kickstand, and yet even 
with one, the bike can still fall over if the ground or the kickstand 
itself isn't "just right". Where I ride now out in the country they would 
be of no value as the terrain where I stop is highly "irregular". Even if 
they were effective, I still would not use one as I always have something 
to lean it against, or on  yeah  the ground never fails and quite 
secure. My bikes, mostly the Bombadil which like all such frames are too 
wheel floppy for my preference, have fallen over a few times, mostly at 
home outside the garage on asphalt, with nothing more than a scuffed bar 
end brake lever.  Where I live, flat level ground is very rare. Three 
cheers for living in the country ! ! !  Sure, carrying a strap to secure 
the front wheel is an idea, or some other doohickey . but going through 
all that every time you stop sheesh .too much !

Just ride like the Wind  It never fails and never falls over ! 

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[RBW] Re: Garage Sale: Random bike stuff/clothing F/S

[Robert Gardner]

Update:

Shirt:
- Simone Cafe du Cycliste XXL Blue/White stripe jersey (gorgeous) -
125 shipped (never warn)

Random:
- Riv Shalacking kit -- 25 shipped (never used)

Wheels/Tires:
- Velocity A23 wheel w/ continental gatorskin/Shimano 105 hub release
- 100 shipped
- Compass Chinook Pass (standard) -- 50 shipped for both (medium wear)
- WTB Cross Boss 700x35 -- 40 shipped for both (light wear)

On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 8:35 AM Robert Gardner
 wrote:
>
> Updating the list!
>
> Clothes for Sale:
> - Simone Cafe du Cycliste XXL Blue/White stripe - 125 shipped (never warn)
>
> Random:
> - Swift Paloma Bag with the hardware - 45$ shipped (it's a little funky tbh)
> - Road Runner Wedge Half Frame Bag -- 50$ shipped
> - Riv Shalacking kit -- 25 shipped (never used)
>
> Wheels/Tires:
> - Velocity A23 wheel w/ continental gatorskin/Shimano 105 hub release
> - 100 shipped
> - Compass Chinook Pass (standard) -- 50 shipped for both (medium wear)
> - WTB Cross Boss 700x35 -- 40 shipped for both (light wear)
>
> On Sun, Nov 6, 2022 at 7:06 PM Robert Gardner
>  wrote:
> >
> > Hello --
> >
> > Lots of cleaning going on and want to get rid of a ton of bike stuff
> > as move apartments. Lots of goodies here and if you want closer up
> > photos or more, just let me know. Happy to do so. Added some pictures
> > of most of the goods.
> >
> > Just lmk -- also local pickup in DC is possible! **Sorry about the 
> > cross-post***
> >
> > Happy riding!
> >
> > - RGinDC
> >
> > Clothes for Sale:
> > - Large MUSA Blue Pants -- 50 shipped
> > - Large MUSA Khaki Pants -- 65 shipped (never worn)
> > - Large Riv Sweatshirt - 30 shipped (been used a few times)
> > - XL Campandgoslow -- 100 shipped (never warn)
> > - Simone Cafe du Cycliste XXL Blue/White stripe - 125 shipped (never warn)
> >
> > Random:
> > - Swift Paloma Bag with the hardware - 45$ shipped (it's a little funky tbh)
> > - Road Runner Wedge Half Frame Bag -- 50$ shipped
> > - Riv Shalacking kit -- 25 shipped (never used)
> >
> > Wheels/Tires:
> > - Velocity A23 wheel w/ continental gatorskin/Shimano 105 hub release
> > - 100 shipped
> > - Compass Chinook Pass (standard) -- 50 shipped for both (medium wear)
> > - WTB Cross Boss 700x35 -- 40 shipped for both (light wear)
> > .

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Re: [RBW] Re: Kickstand plates, what's up with that?

[Toshi Takeuchi]

A sad, but true story.  As a "roadie", having a kickstand was not normal,
so I didn't get a kickstand for my wife's Betty Foy.  When I picked up the
beautiful bike with her at Riv, I leaned the bike against a sign while I
was getting ready to load it onto the car.  Just then, the bike slid off
the sign, scratched the top tube and fell to the ground.  I profusely
apologized to my wife (she doesn't like the idea of beausage right from the
start), and I found some nail polish that was tolerable in hiding the
damage to the paint.  Needless to say, I got her a kickstand so she
wouldn't have to endure that pain again.

Most of my bikes have kickstands now :).

Toshi

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Re: [RBW] Re: Kickstand plates, what's up with that?

[Kim Hetzel]

Hey ! Just lean into the wind.

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA.

On Mon, Nov 7, 2022, 9:33 AM Will Boericke  wrote:

> If you can't find something to lean it on, keep riding.
>
>
> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 11:47:34 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I'm a "leaner" as well.
>>
>> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 10:47:15 AM UTC-5 amill...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It’s been my consistent observation and experience that kickstands cause
>>> more damage than they offer any “solution.”
>>>
>>> It’s always been easy to lean my bike against something. Sometimes I
>>> even lean it on the ground. It’s never fallen off the ground.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Aaron in El Paso
>>>
>>> On Nov 7, 2022, at 08:41, Mark C  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> I don't think the single kickstands put all that much stress on the
>>> plate. The double stands are a whole nother thing. I have no idea how
>>> people use theirs, but there is a temptation to push the bike off of the
>>> stand (like on a motorcycle) rather than pick the rear of the bike up and
>>> close the stand. That puts a lot of stress on the front of the plate that
>>> could easily lead to the kind of damage shown here. These stands are handy
>>> for keeping the bike upright with loads, and there shouldn't be excessive
>>> stress in that position. On recumbents, people even try to sit on the bike
>>> while on the stand! - not a good idea.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 10:30:20 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>>>
 So here’s a pic of the plate on an unpainted Glorius, which gives a
 pretty good  view of the weld to one of the chainstays. (We’ve not bothered
 to put the kickstand mounting hardware on this yet because it’s lightly
 ridden and has not carried but the smallest loads.)

 I agree that the plates are dainty relative to the sheer burliness of
 bikes like the Bombadil and Hunqapillar. I also don’t see any technical
 reason the plates could not be reinforced to withstand the sorts of loads
 these burly bikes are built for. I would be fine with the additional weight
 it would probably take.  I love how practical a double kickstand is and I’m
 so used to it that I can’t imagine using a single on my Hunq.

 Joe, nothing you wrote was lame…  I think I alluded to the phone mount
 being a weak point in Leah’s scenario without naming it specifically, and I
 feel much more secure knowing you agree with my assessment!

 [image: Glorius kickstand plate.jpg]





 On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 9:17:46 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> The Bombadil, despite being such a burly bike itself, has a most
> dainty kickstand plate - so much so that I've removed the kickstand from
> that bike just to avoid bending it and potentially damaging the chainstays
> in the process. Grant recognized the shortcoming and thickened the plate 
> in
> subsequent models but like Joe rightly noted, the double leg kickstands 
> are
> dangerous if not careful and this is, to my understanding, why Riv stopped
> selling them.
>
> On Sunday, 6 November 2022 at 17:59:00 UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> You're welcome! Although I now realize my follow-up was completely
>> redundant, i didn't notice Jim had mentioned the plastic clamp, too, I 
>> just
>> repeated what he said. Lame! 🤪
>>
>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 5:39:43 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> Whew, thanks, guys! Super relieved. You have no idea.
>>>
>>> On Nov 6, 2022, at 2:10 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> Seconding Jim's thoughts about your phone mount. I see a
>>> turn-by-hand screw and plastic clamp, you'll break the clamp before
>>> crushing the bar if you ever screwed it down that hard.
>>>
>>>
>>> A little blue Loctite on the threads of that screw should keep it
>>> tight.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 4:33:20 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 I read the product description which warns of over tightening and
 ruining the frame. And then I thought of my new phone handlebar mount 
 that
 affixes to the bar like a vice and wondered if I’m ruining my Billie 
 Bars!
 I find myself having to tighten it a smidge now and then, and I wonder 
 if
 it’s because it’s mashing the aluminum Billie Bar. Can anyone offer an
 opinion here? (I got a new iPhone and it’s huge and heavy, for what 
 it’s
 worth.)
 [image: image0.jpeg]

 On Nov 6, 2022, at 7:10 AM, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <
 kaivi...@gmail.com> wrote:

 
 https://www.rivbike.com/products/pletscher-kickstand-hardware?variant=23336090241

 Save the plate! Add some weight!
 -Kai

 On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 1:12:04 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>

Re: [RBW] Re: Kickstand plates, what's up with that?

[Will Boericke]

If you can't find something to lean it on, keep riding.


On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 11:47:34 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I'm a "leaner" as well.
>
> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 10:47:15 AM UTC-5 amill...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> It’s been my consistent observation and experience that kickstands cause 
>> more damage than they offer any “solution.”
>>
>> It’s always been easy to lean my bike against something. Sometimes I even 
>> lean it on the ground. It’s never fallen off the ground. 
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Aaron in El Paso 
>>
>> On Nov 7, 2022, at 08:41, Mark C  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> I don't think the single kickstands put all that much stress on the 
>> plate. The double stands are a whole nother thing. I have no idea how 
>> people use theirs, but there is a temptation to push the bike off of the 
>> stand (like on a motorcycle) rather than pick the rear of the bike up and 
>> close the stand. That puts a lot of stress on the front of the plate that 
>> could easily lead to the kind of damage shown here. These stands are handy 
>> for keeping the bike upright with loads, and there shouldn't be excessive 
>> stress in that position. On recumbents, people even try to sit on the bike 
>> while on the stand! - not a good idea.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 10:30:20 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>>
>>> So here’s a pic of the plate on an unpainted Glorius, which gives a 
>>> pretty good  view of the weld to one of the chainstays. (We’ve not bothered 
>>> to put the kickstand mounting hardware on this yet because it’s lightly 
>>> ridden and has not carried but the smallest loads.) 
>>>
>>> I agree that the plates are dainty relative to the sheer burliness of 
>>> bikes like the Bombadil and Hunqapillar. I also don’t see any technical 
>>> reason the plates could not be reinforced to withstand the sorts of loads 
>>> these burly bikes are built for. I would be fine with the additional weight 
>>> it would probably take.  I love how practical a double kickstand is and I’m 
>>> so used to it that I can’t imagine using a single on my Hunq.
>>>
>>> Joe, nothing you wrote was lame…  I think I alluded to the phone mount 
>>> being a weak point in Leah’s scenario without naming it specifically, and I 
>>> feel much more secure knowing you agree with my assessment!  
>>>
>>> [image: Glorius kickstand plate.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 9:17:46 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 The Bombadil, despite being such a burly bike itself, has a most dainty 
 kickstand plate - so much so that I've removed the kickstand from that 
 bike 
 just to avoid bending it and potentially damaging the chainstays in the 
 process. Grant recognized the shortcoming and thickened the plate in 
 subsequent models but like Joe rightly noted, the double leg kickstands 
 are 
 dangerous if not careful and this is, to my understanding, why Riv stopped 
 selling them. 

 On Sunday, 6 November 2022 at 17:59:00 UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> You're welcome! Although I now realize my follow-up was completely 
> redundant, i didn't notice Jim had mentioned the plastic clamp, too, I 
> just 
> repeated what he said. Lame! 🤪
>
> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 5:39:43 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> Whew, thanks, guys! Super relieved. You have no idea. 
>>
>> On Nov 6, 2022, at 2:10 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> Seconding Jim's thoughts about your phone mount. I see a 
>> turn-by-hand screw and plastic clamp, you'll break the clamp before 
>> crushing the bar if you ever screwed it down that hard. 
>>
>>
>> A little blue Loctite on the threads of that screw should keep it 
>> tight. 
>>
>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 4:33:20 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> I read the product description which warns of over tightening and 
>>> ruining the frame. And then I thought of my new phone handlebar mount 
>>> that 
>>> affixes to the bar like a vice and wondered if I’m ruining my Billie 
>>> Bars! 
>>> I find myself having to tighten it a smidge now and then, and I wonder 
>>> if 
>>> it’s because it’s mashing the aluminum Billie Bar. Can anyone offer an 
>>> opinion here? (I got a new iPhone and it’s huge and heavy, for what 
>>> it’s 
>>> worth.)
>>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>>
>>> On Nov 6, 2022, at 7:10 AM, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <
>>> kaivi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/pletscher-kickstand-hardware?variant=23336090241
>>>
>>> Save the plate! Add some weight!
>>> -Kai
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 1:12:04 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 I thought I'd bring this over here instead of continuing to hammer 
 Leah's 'Using Your Rivendell' thread. 

 Do we have any reports of plates sep

Re: [RBW] Re: Kickstand plates, what's up with that?

[Johnny Alien]

I'm a "leaner" as well.

On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 10:47:15 AM UTC-5 amill...@gmail.com wrote:

> It’s been my consistent observation and experience that kickstands cause 
> more damage than they offer any “solution.”
>
> It’s always been easy to lean my bike against something. Sometimes I even 
> lean it on the ground. It’s never fallen off the ground. 
>
> Best,
>
> Aaron in El Paso 
>
> On Nov 7, 2022, at 08:41, Mark C  wrote:
>
> 
> I don't think the single kickstands put all that much stress on the plate. 
> The double stands are a whole nother thing. I have no idea how people use 
> theirs, but there is a temptation to push the bike off of the stand (like 
> on a motorcycle) rather than pick the rear of the bike up and close the 
> stand. That puts a lot of stress on the front of the plate that could 
> easily lead to the kind of damage shown here. These stands are handy for 
> keeping the bike upright with loads, and there shouldn't be excessive 
> stress in that position. On recumbents, people even try to sit on the bike 
> while on the stand! - not a good idea.
>
>
>
> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 10:30:20 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>
>> So here’s a pic of the plate on an unpainted Glorius, which gives a 
>> pretty good  view of the weld to one of the chainstays. (We’ve not bothered 
>> to put the kickstand mounting hardware on this yet because it’s lightly 
>> ridden and has not carried but the smallest loads.) 
>>
>> I agree that the plates are dainty relative to the sheer burliness of 
>> bikes like the Bombadil and Hunqapillar. I also don’t see any technical 
>> reason the plates could not be reinforced to withstand the sorts of loads 
>> these burly bikes are built for. I would be fine with the additional weight 
>> it would probably take.  I love how practical a double kickstand is and I’m 
>> so used to it that I can’t imagine using a single on my Hunq.
>>
>> Joe, nothing you wrote was lame…  I think I alluded to the phone mount 
>> being a weak point in Leah’s scenario without naming it specifically, and I 
>> feel much more secure knowing you agree with my assessment!  
>>
>> [image: Glorius kickstand plate.jpg]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 9:17:46 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> The Bombadil, despite being such a burly bike itself, has a most dainty 
>>> kickstand plate - so much so that I've removed the kickstand from that bike 
>>> just to avoid bending it and potentially damaging the chainstays in the 
>>> process. Grant recognized the shortcoming and thickened the plate in 
>>> subsequent models but like Joe rightly noted, the double leg kickstands are 
>>> dangerous if not careful and this is, to my understanding, why Riv stopped 
>>> selling them. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, 6 November 2022 at 17:59:00 UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 You're welcome! Although I now realize my follow-up was completely 
 redundant, i didn't notice Jim had mentioned the plastic clamp, too, I 
 just 
 repeated what he said. Lame! 🤪

 On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 5:39:43 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> Whew, thanks, guys! Super relieved. You have no idea. 
>
> On Nov 6, 2022, at 2:10 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> Seconding Jim's thoughts about your phone mount. I see a turn-by-hand 
> screw and plastic clamp, you'll break the clamp before crushing the bar 
> if 
> you ever screwed it down that hard. 
>
>
> A little blue Loctite on the threads of that screw should keep it 
> tight. 
>
> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 4:33:20 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> I read the product description which warns of over tightening and 
>> ruining the frame. And then I thought of my new phone handlebar mount 
>> that 
>> affixes to the bar like a vice and wondered if I’m ruining my Billie 
>> Bars! 
>> I find myself having to tighten it a smidge now and then, and I wonder 
>> if 
>> it’s because it’s mashing the aluminum Billie Bar. Can anyone offer an 
>> opinion here? (I got a new iPhone and it’s huge and heavy, for what it’s 
>> worth.)
>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>
>> On Nov 6, 2022, at 7:10 AM, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <
>> kaivi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/pletscher-kickstand-hardware?variant=23336090241
>>
>> Save the plate! Add some weight!
>> -Kai
>>
>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 1:12:04 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I thought I'd bring this over here instead of continuing to hammer 
>>> Leah's 'Using Your Rivendell' thread. 
>>>
>>> Do we have any reports of plates separating from the stays from a 
>>> single-leg kickstand, or are they all double-leggers? My experience 
>>> with 
>>> both is this: 
>>>
>>> I used a double-legger on a Clem and could really load that bike up, 
>>> I'm familiar with th

[RBW] Re: WTB: Paul Funky Monkey or Rene Herse front brake cable hanger

[Todd G]

Thanks for all the replies, I’ve found what I needed!

On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 10:19:57 PM UTC-8 Todd G wrote:

> Looking for either of these front cable hangers:
>
>- *Funky Monkey* - I’m looking for 1" / 25.4, silver or polished
>- *Rene Herse -* I’m looking for the slotted steerer version with the 
>barrel adjuster
>
> Please reach out if you can help me out with either of the options above.
>
> Thanks!
>

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Re: [RBW] Powder coated Clem H!

[Ryan Frahm]

Hey Kim, thank you! It is the rattlesnake tape from Campandgoslow. I’ve had 
it around for a while waiting for a time to use it and this seemed right! 
It is thicker than it used to be though and the wrap isn’t as long as I 
planned. I might rewrap it, I’ll see if it bothers me over time. I have 
plenty left for the front section of the bars once everything is in just 
the right spot!

On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 8:29:56 AM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Garth,
>
> I like the way you wrapped your chain stay. It resembles like that of a 
> rattlesnake's skin. BTW, beautiful paint job @ !
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA.
>
> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 5:56:10 AM UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thank you Garth! I was hoping not to break any secret Riv rules by not 
>> putting decals back on. Haha!
>>
>> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 5:01:59 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> That paint color is excellent and I love that it has no advertising over 
>>> it.
>>> Just glorious prismatic paint ! ! !
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Powder coated Clem H!

[Kim Hetzel]

Hi Garth,

I like the way you wrapped your chain stay. It resembles like that of a 
rattlesnake's skin. BTW, beautiful paint job @ !

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA.

On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 5:56:10 AM UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you Garth! I was hoping not to break any secret Riv rules by not 
> putting decals back on. Haha!
>
> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 5:01:59 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote:
>
>> That paint color is excellent and I love that it has no advertising over 
>> it.
>> Just glorious prismatic paint ! ! !
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Garage Sale: Random bike stuff/clothing F/S

[Dave S]

Bummer,  thought i was pretty quick on those!  

On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 8:35:26 AM UTC-5 robert.har...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Updating the list!
>
> Clothes for Sale:
> - Simone Cafe du Cycliste XXL Blue/White stripe - 125 shipped (never warn)
>
> Random:
> - Swift Paloma Bag with the hardware - 45$ shipped (it's a little funky 
> tbh)
> - Road Runner Wedge Half Frame Bag -- 50$ shipped
> - Riv Shalacking kit -- 25 shipped (never used)
>
> Wheels/Tires:
> - Velocity A23 wheel w/ continental gatorskin/Shimano 105 hub release
> - 100 shipped
> - Compass Chinook Pass (standard) -- 50 shipped for both (medium wear)
> - WTB Cross Boss 700x35 -- 40 shipped for both (light wear)
>
> On Sun, Nov 6, 2022 at 7:06 PM Robert Gardner
>  wrote:
> >
> > Hello --
> >
> > Lots of cleaning going on and want to get rid of a ton of bike stuff
> > as move apartments. Lots of goodies here and if you want closer up
> > photos or more, just let me know. Happy to do so. Added some pictures
> > of most of the goods.
> >
> > Just lmk -- also local pickup in DC is possible! **Sorry about the 
> cross-post***
> >
> > Happy riding!
> >
> > - RGinDC
> >
> > Clothes for Sale:
> > - Large MUSA Blue Pants -- 50 shipped
> > - Large MUSA Khaki Pants -- 65 shipped (never worn)
> > - Large Riv Sweatshirt - 30 shipped (been used a few times)
> > - XL Campandgoslow -- 100 shipped (never warn)
> > - Simone Cafe du Cycliste XXL Blue/White stripe - 125 shipped (never 
> warn)
> >
> > Random:
> > - Swift Paloma Bag with the hardware - 45$ shipped (it's a little funky 
> tbh)
> > - Road Runner Wedge Half Frame Bag -- 50$ shipped
> > - Riv Shalacking kit -- 25 shipped (never used)
> >
> > Wheels/Tires:
> > - Velocity A23 wheel w/ continental gatorskin/Shimano 105 hub release
> > - 100 shipped
> > - Compass Chinook Pass (standard) -- 50 shipped for both (medium wear)
> > - WTB Cross Boss 700x35 -- 40 shipped for both (light wear)
> > .
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Re: [RBW] Sharing Your Fall Foliage Fotos 2022

[Kim Hetzel]

Thank-you for the clarification, Peter.

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA. 

On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 3:23:07 AM UTC-8 peter...@gmail.com wrote:

> That's the shop, not our house. The house is well off to the left, out of 
> the photo.
>
> On Sun, Nov 6, 2022 at 8:12 PM Kim Hetzel  wrote:
>
>> Thank-you, Peter. It is a beautiful picture of contrast. Nice to see the 
>> whole front of your home from visiting your website in purchasing products 
>> from you in the past. 
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA. 
>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 3:00:01 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Lovely, Peter 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 1:21:35 PM UTC-5 jmlmu...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Wow amazing Peter! I've tried (and failed) on numerous occasions to 
 keep one of those alive. I got tired of killing them. 

 All these beautiful shots inspired me to go find a "fall" photo in Los 
 Angeles! I will find one for y'all.

 Joe in Los Angeles

 On Sun, Nov 6, 2022 at 10:02 AM Peter White  wrote:

> [image: L1000151.jpeg]
>
> The Japanese Maple tree in front of the shop last week.
>
> On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 2:29 PM Eric Marth  wrote:
>
>> Great pics Takashi and Brady :) 
>>
>> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 10:42:00 AM UTC-4 Takashi wrote:
>>
>>> After all the colorful photos, Brady's snowy photo almost looks like 
>>> monochrome (except for the bike).
>>>
>>> Here are couple of photos from today's ride.
>>> It was like a bit too late for the peak colorfulness, but it was 
>>> still enjoyable.
>>>
>>> Takashi
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Kickstand plates, what's up with that?

[amillhench]

It’s been my consistent observation and experience that kickstands cause more 
damage than they offer any “solution.”

It’s always been easy to lean my bike against something. Sometimes I even lean 
it on the ground. It’s never fallen off the ground. 

Best,

Aaron in El Paso 

On Nov 7, 2022, at 08:41, Mark C  wrote:


I don't think the single kickstands put all that much stress on the plate. The 
double stands are a whole nother thing. I have no idea how people use theirs, 
but there is a temptation to push the bike off of the stand (like on a 
motorcycle) rather than pick the rear of the bike up and close the stand. That 
puts a lot of stress on the front of the plate that could easily lead to the 
kind of damage shown here. These stands are handy for keeping the bike upright 
with loads, and there shouldn't be excessive stress in that position. On 
recumbents, people even try to sit on the bike while on the stand! - not a good 
idea.



On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 10:30:20 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
> So here’s a pic of the plate on an unpainted Glorius, which gives a pretty 
> good  view of the weld to one of the chainstays. (We’ve not bothered to put 
> the kickstand mounting hardware on this yet because it’s lightly ridden and 
> has not carried but the smallest loads.) 
> 
> I agree that the plates are dainty relative to the sheer burliness of bikes 
> like the Bombadil and Hunqapillar. I also don’t see any technical reason the 
> plates could not be reinforced to withstand the sorts of loads these burly 
> bikes are built for. I would be fine with the additional weight it would 
> probably take.  I love how practical a double kickstand is and I’m so used to 
> it that I can’t imagine using a single on my Hunq.
> 
> Joe, nothing you wrote was lame…  I think I alluded to the phone mount being 
> a weak point in Leah’s scenario without naming it specifically, and I feel 
> much more secure knowing you agree with my assessment!  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 9:17:46 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>> The Bombadil, despite being such a burly bike itself, has a most dainty 
>> kickstand plate - so much so that I've removed the kickstand from that bike 
>> just to avoid bending it and potentially damaging the chainstays in the 
>> process. Grant recognized the shortcoming and thickened the plate in 
>> subsequent models but like Joe rightly noted, the double leg kickstands are 
>> dangerous if not careful and this is, to my understanding, why Riv stopped 
>> selling them. 
>> 
>> On Sunday, 6 November 2022 at 17:59:00 UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>> You're welcome! Although I now realize my follow-up was completely 
>>> redundant, i didn't notice Jim had mentioned the plastic clamp, too, I just 
>>> repeated what he said. Lame! 🤪
>>> 
>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 5:39:43 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
 Whew, thanks, guys! Super relieved. You have no idea. 
 
> On Nov 6, 2022, at 2:10 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Seconding Jim's thoughts about your phone mount. I see a turn-by-hand 
> screw and plastic clamp, you'll break the clamp before crushing the bar 
> if you ever screwed it down that hard. 
 
> 
> A little blue Loctite on the threads of that screw should keep it tight. 
> 
> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 4:33:20 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>> I read the product description which warns of over tightening and 
>> ruining the frame. And then I thought of my new phone handlebar mount 
>> that affixes to the bar like a vice and wondered if I’m ruining my 
>> Billie Bars! I find myself having to tighten it a smidge now and then, 
>> and I wonder if it’s because it’s mashing the aluminum Billie Bar. Can 
>> anyone offer an opinion here? (I got a new iPhone and it’s huge and 
>> heavy, for what it’s worth.)
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 6, 2022, at 7:10 AM, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/pletscher-kickstand-hardware?variant=23336090241
>> 
>>> Save the plate! Add some weight!
>>> -Kai
>>> 
>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 1:12:04 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
 I thought I'd bring this over here instead of continuing to hammer 
 Leah's 'Using Your Rivendell' thread. 
 
 Do we have any reports of plates separating from the stays from a 
 single-leg kickstand, or are they all double-leggers? My experience 
 with both is this: 
 
 I used a double-legger on a Clem and could really load that bike up, 
 I'm familiar with that rocking sensation of all the weight torquing on 
 the stand. On my custom I use a single leg (the stock one that came on 
 Clem completes a few years ago) and it's not very strong. It supports 
 the bike fine and I can put a small shopping load in the bags, but as 
 soon as I 

Re: [RBW] Re: Kickstand plates, what's up with that?

[Mark C]

I don't think the single kickstands put all that much stress on the plate. 
The double stands are a whole nother thing. I have no idea how people use 
theirs, but there is a temptation to push the bike off of the stand (like 
on a motorcycle) rather than pick the rear of the bike up and close the 
stand. That puts a lot of stress on the front of the plate that could 
easily lead to the kind of damage shown here. These stands are handy for 
keeping the bike upright with loads, and there shouldn't be excessive 
stress in that position. On recumbents, people even try to sit on the bike 
while on the stand! - not a good idea.



On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 10:30:20 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:

> So here’s a pic of the plate on an unpainted Glorius, which gives a pretty 
> good  view of the weld to one of the chainstays. (We’ve not bothered to put 
> the kickstand mounting hardware on this yet because it’s lightly ridden and 
> has not carried but the smallest loads.) 
>
> I agree that the plates are dainty relative to the sheer burliness of 
> bikes like the Bombadil and Hunqapillar. I also don’t see any technical 
> reason the plates could not be reinforced to withstand the sorts of loads 
> these burly bikes are built for. I would be fine with the additional weight 
> it would probably take.  I love how practical a double kickstand is and I’m 
> so used to it that I can’t imagine using a single on my Hunq.
>
> Joe, nothing you wrote was lame…  I think I alluded to the phone mount 
> being a weak point in Leah’s scenario without naming it specifically, and I 
> feel much more secure knowing you agree with my assessment!  
>
> [image: Glorius kickstand plate.jpg]
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 9:17:46 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> The Bombadil, despite being such a burly bike itself, has a most dainty 
>> kickstand plate - so much so that I've removed the kickstand from that bike 
>> just to avoid bending it and potentially damaging the chainstays in the 
>> process. Grant recognized the shortcoming and thickened the plate in 
>> subsequent models but like Joe rightly noted, the double leg kickstands are 
>> dangerous if not careful and this is, to my understanding, why Riv stopped 
>> selling them. 
>>
>> On Sunday, 6 November 2022 at 17:59:00 UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> You're welcome! Although I now realize my follow-up was completely 
>>> redundant, i didn't notice Jim had mentioned the plastic clamp, too, I just 
>>> repeated what he said. Lame! 🤪
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 5:39:43 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Whew, thanks, guys! Super relieved. You have no idea. 

 On Nov 6, 2022, at 2:10 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

 Seconding Jim's thoughts about your phone mount. I see a turn-by-hand 
 screw and plastic clamp, you'll break the clamp before crushing the bar if 
 you ever screwed it down that hard. 


 A little blue Loctite on the threads of that screw should keep it 
 tight. 

 On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 4:33:20 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> I read the product description which warns of over tightening and 
> ruining the frame. And then I thought of my new phone handlebar mount 
> that 
> affixes to the bar like a vice and wondered if I’m ruining my Billie 
> Bars! 
> I find myself having to tighten it a smidge now and then, and I wonder if 
> it’s because it’s mashing the aluminum Billie Bar. Can anyone offer an 
> opinion here? (I got a new iPhone and it’s huge and heavy, for what it’s 
> worth.)
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> On Nov 6, 2022, at 7:10 AM, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <
> kaivi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/pletscher-kickstand-hardware?variant=23336090241
>
> Save the plate! Add some weight!
> -Kai
>
> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 1:12:04 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I thought I'd bring this over here instead of continuing to hammer 
>> Leah's 'Using Your Rivendell' thread. 
>>
>> Do we have any reports of plates separating from the stays from a 
>> single-leg kickstand, or are they all double-leggers? My experience with 
>> both is this: 
>>
>> I used a double-legger on a Clem and could really load that bike up, 
>> I'm familiar with that rocking sensation of all the weight torquing on 
>> the 
>> stand. On my custom I use a single leg (the stock one that came on Clem 
>> completes a few years ago) and it's not very strong. It supports the 
>> bike 
>> fine and I can put a small shopping load in the bags, but as soon as I 
>> start to overdo it I can feel the bike getting wobbly like the stand 
>> wants 
>> to give out on me. My guess in this scenario is the single-legger is 
>> warning me before the plate gets too stressed, whilst the double will 
>> let 
>> you load

[RBW] Re: For Sale Nitto RBW51 front/rear rack

[jeffbog...@hotmail.com]

Rack is sold, thanks!

Jeff

On Saturday, 5 November 2022 at 08:59:18 UTC-5 jeffbog...@hotmail.com wrote:

> Excellent condition, can be used front or rear, similar to Mark's M1 rack 
> with larger platform. Asking $135. Please send PM for interest, thanks!
>
> Jeff
> (Alabama)
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[RBW] Re: FS: Reyn Spooner, MUSA shorts, gloves, wool, cashmere

[Eric Marth]

Everything is gone 

except the 

FREE

Costco 

Cashmere 

O la la! 

Okay, I understand why no one wants it! 

On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 11:05:41 AM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:

> Hi everyone. I have a few things for sale and a few things for free today. 
>
> Prices below do not include actual shipping to you. All prices are net to 
> me, PayPal Friends & Family or Venmo.
>
> Pictures are here. 
> 
>
> 
> Thanks!
>
> 01. Reyn Spooner pullover, $25
> Made in Hawaii, blend of cotton and poly. Nice tight floral print. It's a 
> pullover with a chest pocket, doesn't button all the way down. These have 
> appeared in the Riv blog and tumblr in the past and maybe Harry has like 70 
> of them? It's 23" pit to pit and 30" from top of shoulder to bottom hem. 
>
> 02. Rivendell MUSA shorts, $40
> These are a size small and they have been modified for a 6" inseam. Much 
> less baggy than the standard-issue Riv MUSA shorts as a result. The MUSA 
> label was lost in the process. While labeled a small I'm a 34" waist and 
> these fit, a little snug but I did not find them uncomfortable. Good 
> elastic in the belt. Button missing from rear right pocket, other button 
> intact. Front pockets are nylon, not mesh like more recent versions. No 
> issues. Reflectors at back.
>
> 03. Bear Bottom shorts, $10
> A cotton and spandex blend, these have a 5.5" inseam. Pretty trim fit (not 
> billowy). Lots of stretch at the waist, they measure 13" laid flat. I'm a 
> 34" waist and they fit me. Good as non-kit riding shorts. 
>
> 04. Pearl Izumi Gavia gloves, $15
> These are in nice shape, labeled a size large. Here's the description from 
> manufacturer: "Designed with AmFIB® and AmFIB® Block fabric combination for 
> water and wind protection the Pearl izumi Gavia Glove is a versatile glove 
> for cooler weather. Made with a Silicone screened palm for ultimate 
> performance grip and articulated with a Neoprene stretch wrist gusset for 
> ease of movement. This glove offers both flexibility and comfort with a 
> low-profile wrist closure and locking zipper. The soft Microfleece wiping 
> surface makes for easy maintenance.Contents: 60% Nylon / 25% Polyester / 5% 
> Neoprene / 5% Synthetic Leather / 5% Polyurethane." 
>
> 05. Costco/Kirkland Cashmere, free for shipping
> It's a size medium, 100% cashmere sweater. With plenty of holes! Lots of 
> holes. More than you're thinking. Still a nice soft layer, good for fall. 
> Pit to pit is 22", overall length is 27". I got this used, it came with the 
> holes, I store my wool properly. 
>
> 06. Smartwool balaclava, free for shipping
> It's a 100% merino wool balaclava with lots of holes! I inserted a map to 
> try and highlight the holes. I've worn this in the cold and the holes don't 
> actually seem to be a problem. I got this used, it came with the holes. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Powder coated Clem H!

[Ryan Frahm]

Thank you Garth! I was hoping not to break any secret Riv rules by not 
putting decals back on. Haha!

On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 5:01:59 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote:

> That paint color is excellent and I love that it has no advertising over 
> it.
> Just glorious prismatic paint ! ! !
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[RBW] Re: Garage Sale: Random bike stuff/clothing F/S

[Robert Gardner]

Updating the list!

Clothes for Sale:
- Simone Cafe du Cycliste XXL Blue/White stripe - 125 shipped (never warn)

Random:
- Swift Paloma Bag with the hardware - 45$ shipped (it's a little funky tbh)
- Road Runner Wedge Half Frame Bag -- 50$ shipped
- Riv Shalacking kit -- 25 shipped (never used)

Wheels/Tires:
- Velocity A23 wheel w/ continental gatorskin/Shimano 105 hub release
- 100 shipped
- Compass Chinook Pass (standard) -- 50 shipped for both (medium wear)
- WTB Cross Boss 700x35 -- 40 shipped for both (light wear)

On Sun, Nov 6, 2022 at 7:06 PM Robert Gardner
 wrote:
>
> Hello --
>
> Lots of cleaning going on and want to get rid of a ton of bike stuff
> as move apartments. Lots of goodies here and if you want closer up
> photos or more, just let me know. Happy to do so. Added some pictures
> of most of the goods.
>
> Just lmk -- also local pickup in DC is possible! **Sorry about the 
> cross-post***
>
> Happy riding!
>
> - RGinDC
>
> Clothes for Sale:
> - Large MUSA Blue Pants -- 50 shipped
> - Large MUSA Khaki Pants -- 65 shipped (never worn)
> - Large Riv Sweatshirt - 30 shipped (been used a few times)
> - XL Campandgoslow -- 100 shipped (never warn)
> - Simone Cafe du Cycliste XXL Blue/White stripe - 125 shipped (never warn)
>
> Random:
> - Swift Paloma Bag with the hardware - 45$ shipped (it's a little funky tbh)
> - Road Runner Wedge Half Frame Bag -- 50$ shipped
> - Riv Shalacking kit -- 25 shipped (never used)
>
> Wheels/Tires:
> - Velocity A23 wheel w/ continental gatorskin/Shimano 105 hub release
> - 100 shipped
> - Compass Chinook Pass (standard) -- 50 shipped for both (medium wear)
> - WTB Cross Boss 700x35 -- 40 shipped for both (light wear)
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Re: [RBW] Powder coated Clem H!

[Garth]

That paint color is excellent and I love that it has no advertising over it.
Just glorious prismatic paint ! ! !

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[RBW] Re: FS Silver 2 bar end shifters

[lconley]

Not at the moment.

Laing

On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 9:03:59 PM UTC-4 Michael Baquerizo wrote:

> any interest in keeping the pods and selling the shifters?
>
> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 4:08:35 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>
>> Rivendell Silver 2 bar end shifters mounted on Shimano Bar End Pods. 2 
>> minutes with a Dremel tool on the pods and spacers and a second metal 
>> washer and everything fits and lines up just fine. Mounted and tested, but 
>> everything is otherwise new. $115 shipped CONUS or best offer.
>>
>> [image: lineups.jpg][image: XO bar endss.jpg]
>>
>> Laing
>> Delray Beach FL
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Sharing Your Fall Foliage Fotos 2022

[Peter White]

That's the shop, not our house. The house is well off to the left, out of
the photo.

On Sun, Nov 6, 2022 at 8:12 PM Kim Hetzel  wrote:

> Thank-you, Peter. It is a beautiful picture of contrast. Nice to see the
> whole front of your home from visiting your website in purchasing products
> from you in the past.
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA.
> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 3:00:01 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Lovely, Peter
>>
>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 1:21:35 PM UTC-5 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Wow amazing Peter! I've tried (and failed) on numerous occasions to keep
>>> one of those alive. I got tired of killing them.
>>>
>>> All these beautiful shots inspired me to go find a "fall" photo in Los
>>> Angeles! I will find one for y'all.
>>>
>>> Joe in Los Angeles
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 6, 2022 at 10:02 AM Peter White  wrote:
>>>
 [image: L1000151.jpeg]

 The Japanese Maple tree in front of the shop last week.

 On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 2:29 PM Eric Marth  wrote:

> Great pics Takashi and Brady :)
>
> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 10:42:00 AM UTC-4 Takashi wrote:
>
>> After all the colorful photos, Brady's snowy photo almost looks like
>> monochrome (except for the bike).
>>
>> Here are couple of photos from today's ride.
>> It was like a bit too late for the peak colorfulness, but it was
>> still enjoyable.
>>
>> Takashi
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