[RBW] Re: WTB: Clem Smith Jr L 52

[Kim H.]

@Doug,

Here is one. You might want to call to verify that it is in stock in Canada.
https://www.clcycle.ca/en/cadre-et-fourche-rivendell-clem-l-frame-and-fork.html

...or in France:
https://www.lachouetteparis.com/products/rivendell-clem-frame


Kim Hetzel.

On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 1:42:11 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:

> I sold one but now want another one to set up for trail riding. If you 
> have a 52 L in any color that you'd like to sell let me know.
> Doug
>

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Re: [RBW] Santa Cruz Randonneurs 200k ride report

[Andrew Letton]

 Ah, I remember that ride with fond memories. I rode it several times (as a 
Permanent) when I did my R12 back in 2008. Thanks for the report and the trip 
down memory lane, Toshi!
cheers,
Andrew, now of Sydney


On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 12:37:46 PM GMT+10, Toshi Takeuchi 
 wrote:  
 
 Last Saturday I rode the SCR 200k that rides up to Half Moon Bay and back to 
Santa Cruz, including some miles through San Gregorio/Stage Rd., 
Pescadero/Haskins Hill etc.
I think the best part of the ride was that 8 of the 9 riders stuck together 
throughout the ride and finished the ride together.  This made it a great 
opportunity to ride with friends and make several new friends.
One of the riders, Jim, rode one of the early Riv road bikes (color red) and I 
was riding my red Roadeo, so we had a good presence there.  (Many would argue 
that our red bikes are not as fast as orange ones, but nevertheless...)
The morning started out foggy on the coast, and unlike the previous ride a few 
weeks earlier, I neglected to wipe my lenses with the anti-fog wipes, which 
were effective the previous ride; so unfortunately, I had to windshield wiper 
my lenses with my fingers throughout my jaunt up the coast.

One of my ride mates, Ioannis, didn't know about these anti-fog wipes, and they 
work quite well.  They became especially popular during COVID times when masks 
would cause glasses to fog up, and these wipes helped prevent that. 

Although the temperatures got into the 90s inland, by the coast, it was 
extremely pleasant, especially after the fog burned off mid-morning.  We 
stopped by a bakery in Half Moon Bay, where it was nice and sunny, and I ate a 
delicious ham and cheese croissant as well as a chocolate croissant, although 
in this case, the savory one hit the spot better.  As I mentioned previously, I 
am seriously considering PBP 2027, and feel confident that savory croissants 
can fuel my ride very well.  I'll have to see how I feel about that after 
riding 300 miles, but I remain hopeful.
Usually one of the best parts of the day is when we ride down the coast back to 
Santa Cruz with a tailwind, and we were not disappointed on our return down the 
beautiful coast.  A couple spots had some lingering fog that added to the 
coastal scenery with rugged beaches to the right and some beautiful meadows on 
our left.
I'm thinking that either I should have easier access to my phone, or I should 
bring my camera along, especially on the 200k so I can document the beautiful 
views as I ride.
The 200k is always an enjoyable ride distance because you usually get to end in 
the daylight and have an opportunity to enjoy a nice dinner afterwards.  Many 
of us ate some good Mexican food after the ride, and despite a little traffic 
getting out of Santa Cruz, we took our time and enjoyed the rest of the evening.
I definitely want to give thanks to my fellow riders, whose company made the 
day go by smoothly and delightfully.
Toshi in Oakland, CA




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[RBW] Re: Rivrafting: Hunq's Maiden Voyage

[John Rinker]

Thanks Josh and Rich! Yes, it's a really great way to combine two loves and 
a wonderful way to spend time outside. I'm very fortunate up here in BC!

Cheers, John

On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 7:25:13 AM UTC-7 RichS wrote:

> John, 
>
> That is impressive. I love it. A combination of effort, creativity and 
> serenity. What a delightful way to spend the day.
> Always enjoy seeing and reading about your adventures.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 9:10:45 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>
>> John, 
>>
>> That is awesome. Love the bike and that you thought to take your Hunq on 
>> an inflatable raft, just awesome. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 8:27:46 PM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> The Atlantis saw lots of river time aboard the Alpackaraft while I was 
>>> in Arizona, but now that I'm back in BC on my home river, the Slocan, I had 
>>> a chance today to take the Hunq for a paddle. 
>>> [image: Here By Bike - 4 of 4.jpeg]
>>> I rode up the valley along the river on the Slocan Valley Rail Trail for 
>>> about 20km, set up the raft in the shade of some huge cedars, and the 
>>> shoved off into the cool waters of the Slocan River. 
>>> [image: Here By Bike - 1 of 4.jpeg]
>>> My Hunq is slightly heavier than the Atlantis, but the raft didn't seem 
>>> to mind. For several hours I drifted the river taking in the gorgeous 
>>> scenery and birdsong. I'm looking forward to much more of this as the 
>>> summer progresses. 
>>> [image: Here By Bike - 2 of 4.jpeg]
>>> [image: Here By Bike - 3 of 4.jpeg]
>>> Cheers, John
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: 60cm Cheviot (NH+)

[Nicholas Fox]

That could work. I’ll check it out. Thanks!On Jun 26, 2024, at 20:59, Hoch in ut  wrote:There is an orange one on Riv Facebook group. There’s also a 58cm Betty frameset, if that size works. On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 6:53:56 PM UTC-6 Nic in Oslo wrote:If you have a Cheviot that needs a new home I’d love to open mine to it. Any color, frame or complete, all’s good. I’m in NH and am more than happy doing a bit of a road trip if you’re in the New England area. Nic



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Re: [RBW] Santa Cruz Randonneurs 200k ride report

[Jim M.]

Thanks for a great report! I'll be rooting for your 2027 PBP. Maybe you and 
Bill L can both rep Riv there.

jim m
walnut creek

On Monday, June 24, 2024 at 9:19:23 PM UTC-7 Keith P. wrote:

> “ham and cheese croissant as well as a chocolate croissant”
> This is true cycling fuel - only to be followed by an almond croissant an 
> hour later.
> k.
>
> On Jun 24, 2024, at 7:37 PM, Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Last Saturday I rode the SCR 200k that rides up to Half Moon Bay and back 
> to Santa Cruz, including some miles through San Gregorio/Stage Rd., 
> Pescadero/Haskins Hill etc.
>
> I think the best part of the ride was that 8 of the 9 riders stuck 
> together throughout the ride and finished the ride together.  This made it 
> a great opportunity to ride with friends and make several new friends.
>
> One of the riders, Jim, rode one of the early Riv road bikes (color red) 
> and I was riding my red Roadeo, so we had a good presence there.  (Many 
> would argue that our red bikes are not as fast as orange ones, but 
> nevertheless...)
>
> The morning started out foggy on the coast, and unlike the previous ride a 
> few weeks earlier, I neglected to wipe my lenses with the anti-fog wipes, 
> which were effective the previous ride; so unfortunately, I had to 
> windshield wiper my lenses with my fingers throughout my jaunt up the coast.
>
> One of my ride mates, Ioannis, didn't know about these anti-fog wipes, and 
> they work quite well.  They became especially popular during COVID times 
> when masks would cause glasses to fog up, and these wipes helped prevent 
> that. 
>
> Although the temperatures got into the 90s inland, by the coast, it was 
> extremely pleasant, especially after the fog burned off mid-morning.  We 
> stopped by a bakery in Half Moon Bay, where it was nice and sunny, and I 
> ate a delicious ham and cheese croissant as well as a chocolate croissant, 
> although in this case, the savory one hit the spot better.  As I mentioned 
> previously, I am seriously considering PBP 2027, and feel confident that 
> savory croissants can fuel my ride very well.  I'll have to see how I feel 
> about that after riding 300 miles, but I remain hopeful.
>
> Usually one of the best parts of the day is when we ride down the coast 
> back to Santa Cruz with a tailwind, and we were not disappointed on our 
> return down the beautiful coast.  A couple spots had some lingering fog 
> that added to the coastal scenery with rugged beaches to the right and some 
> beautiful meadows on our left.
>
> I'm thinking that either I should have easier access to my phone, or I 
> should bring my camera along, especially on the 200k so I can document the 
> beautiful views as I ride.
>
> The 200k is always an enjoyable ride distance because you usually get to 
> end in the daylight and have an opportunity to enjoy a nice dinner 
> afterwards.  Many of us ate some good Mexican food after the ride, and 
> despite a little traffic getting out of Santa Cruz, we took our time and 
> enjoyed the rest of the evening.
>
> I definitely want to give thanks to my fellow riders, whose company made 
> the day go by smoothly and delightfully.
>
> Toshi in Oakland, CA
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto Technomic Stem

[Kim H.]

@Joel,

One of the main reasons why I bought a Clem Smith Jr L bicycle is having no
difficulty in mounting and dismounting of my bike as a senior cyclist. I
found it difficult to swing my right leg over the back end of my former
bike.

The ride comfort of my Clem is steady and smooth as an elongated bike of 80
inches.

Worth considering IMHO.

Kim Hetzel.

On Wed, Jun 26, 2024, 6:42 PM Gordon Stam  wrote:

> Joel, maybe look into one of those Nitto 4 bolt face plate stems. I
> believe that the quill is just as long as the Technomic, or Tallux, at 225
> cm but the stem comes out at 90 degrees which gives you a few extra cm of
> height. A little geometry, or an online stem length/height calculator, will
> tell you how much.
>
> Concerning a step through for balance issue mitigation - I don't know.
> Maybe getting on is easier since you don't necessarily have to swing your
> leg over the saddle but when you stop the lack of a crossbar makes keeping
> the bike upright a little trickier. I got my Clem Jr. this spring (love it,
> actually) and that lack of a cross bar caught me out on a few occasions and
> I dropped the bike. I've since gotten used to it, sort of. That said youay
> be right, getting on and off might be easier if the balance is getting to
> be an issue. Good luck!
>
> On Wed, Jun 26, 2024, 4:32 PM Kim H.  wrote:
>
>> @Joel,
>>
>> You are more than welcome.
>> I hope it works out very well for you.
>> Send some pictures to us herein would be nice, when you get it installed.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 2:39:15 PM UTC-7 J S wrote:
>>
>>> Kim,
>>> I’m with you on threadless, not for me. I think I found the same stem,
>>> maybe on Ben’s, Technomic XL or something like that.
>>>
>>> Thanks again.
>>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 2:05 PM Kim H.  wrote:
>>>
 You are more than welcome, Joel.

 So, in a nutshell, you are trying to find a way to get your handlebar
 higher ? Right  ?

 After a long research on the internet, I found that long quill stem. I
 was and remain very pleased with the outcome. I just couldn't cross the
 threadless stem bridge as stubborn as I am from being old school. My bike
 would not look right.

 Let me know what your decision choice is.

 Sincerely,
 Kim.



 On Wed, Jun 26, 2024, 10:56 AM J S  wrote:

>
> Thanks Kim, you’ve got that right and the miles get less and speed
> slower. But if I can still ride I am happy.
> On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 12:49 PM Kim H.  wrote:
>
>> As we grow older, the gears get lower and the handlebars get higher.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 9:25:49 AM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Joel,
>>>
>>> I bought a NITTO Technomic NTC-280 Stem
>>>  on
>>> my 58cm Nitto Bosco bars from Alex Cycles without going threadless. I am
>>> happy with it on my Clem.
>>>
>>> [image: thumbnail_20240111_143550.jpg]
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 8:59:42 AM UTC-7 J S wrote:
>>>
 Rich, thanks. A forum friend said he has a nitto steerer extender.
 I am waiting for pics. He said it would give me up to 3” added height. 
 That
 might be the least expensive way ro go about this and solve the 
 problem. I
 am hoping it is feasible.

 Hoping you are well and riding, my Hillborne seems to be the most
 comfortable but the bars are 3cm higher than the saddle compares to the
 Saluki and yes, I would like to Keep the Saluki if possible.

 Joel



 On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 11:25 AM RichS  wrote:

> Hi Joel,
>
> One more suggestion, albeit more extreme than a stem change, would
> be to have a framebuilder replace the existing steerer tube with a 
> taller
> one.
> I guess that alternative would depend on how committed you are to
> keeping the Saluki. Good luck with whatever direction you choose. The
> mixtes you mentioned would be on my list as well if my septugenarian 
> body
> demands it at some point!
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 3:20:56 PM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Erik, I did find both of those and either might be the
>> solution.
>>
>> Joel
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 1:14 PM Erik Wright 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Joel,
>>>
>>> Soma has a couple options. You could look at the 225mm rise
>>> Dirt Drop stem
>>> 
>>> for some more height, or the mega-tall 

Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto Technomic Stem

[Gordon Stam]

Joel, maybe look into one of those Nitto 4 bolt face plate stems. I believe
that the quill is just as long as the Technomic, or Tallux, at 225 cm but
the stem comes out at 90 degrees which gives you a few extra cm of height.
A little geometry, or an online stem length/height calculator, will tell
you how much.

Concerning a step through for balance issue mitigation - I don't know.
Maybe getting on is easier since you don't necessarily have to swing your
leg over the saddle but when you stop the lack of a crossbar makes keeping
the bike upright a little trickier. I got my Clem Jr. this spring (love it,
actually) and that lack of a cross bar caught me out on a few occasions and
I dropped the bike. I've since gotten used to it, sort of. That said youay
be right, getting on and off might be easier if the balance is getting to
be an issue. Good luck!

On Wed, Jun 26, 2024, 4:32 PM Kim H.  wrote:

> @Joel,
>
> You are more than welcome.
> I hope it works out very well for you.
> Send some pictures to us herein would be nice, when you get it installed.
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 2:39:15 PM UTC-7 J S wrote:
>
>> Kim,
>> I’m with you on threadless, not for me. I think I found the same stem,
>> maybe on Ben’s, Technomic XL or something like that.
>>
>> Thanks again.
>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 2:05 PM Kim H.  wrote:
>>
>>> You are more than welcome, Joel.
>>>
>>> So, in a nutshell, you are trying to find a way to get your handlebar
>>> higher ? Right  ?
>>>
>>> After a long research on the internet, I found that long quill stem. I
>>> was and remain very pleased with the outcome. I just couldn't cross the
>>> threadless stem bridge as stubborn as I am from being old school. My bike
>>> would not look right.
>>>
>>> Let me know what your decision choice is.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Kim.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2024, 10:56 AM J S  wrote:
>>>

 Thanks Kim, you’ve got that right and the miles get less and speed
 slower. But if I can still ride I am happy.
 On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 12:49 PM Kim H.  wrote:

> As we grow older, the gears get lower and the handlebars get higher.
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 9:25:49 AM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>
>> Hi Joel,
>>
>> I bought a NITTO Technomic NTC-280 Stem
>>  on
>> my 58cm Nitto Bosco bars from Alex Cycles without going threadless. I am
>> happy with it on my Clem.
>>
>> [image: thumbnail_20240111_143550.jpg]
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 8:59:42 AM UTC-7 J S wrote:
>>
>>> Rich, thanks. A forum friend said he has a nitto steerer extender. I
>>> am waiting for pics. He said it would give me up to 3” added height. 
>>> That
>>> might be the least expensive way ro go about this and solve the 
>>> problem. I
>>> am hoping it is feasible.
>>>
>>> Hoping you are well and riding, my Hillborne seems to be the most
>>> comfortable but the bars are 3cm higher than the saddle compares to the
>>> Saluki and yes, I would like to Keep the Saluki if possible.
>>>
>>> Joel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 11:25 AM RichS  wrote:
>>>
 Hi Joel,

 One more suggestion, albeit more extreme than a stem change, would
 be to have a framebuilder replace the existing steerer tube with a 
 taller
 one.
 I guess that alternative would depend on how committed you are to
 keeping the Saluki. Good luck with whatever direction you choose. The
 mixtes you mentioned would be on my list as well if my septugenarian 
 body
 demands it at some point!

 Best,
 Rich in ATL

 On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 3:20:56 PM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com
 wrote:

> Thanks Erik, I did find both of those and either might be the
> solution.
>
> Joel
>
> On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 1:14 PM Erik Wright 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Joel,
>>
>> Soma has a couple options. You could look at the 225mm rise Dirt
>> Drop stem
>> 
>> for some more height, or the mega-tall 280mm rise Nitto Technomic 
>> (25.4
>> version for your Chocos/Albas
>> )
>> for even more.
>>
>> Getting a mixte would be pretty cool, but so would keeping your
>> Saluki!
>>
>> Erik, Philly
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 11:07:03 AM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I believe the Nitto technomic stem is 

[RBW] Re: WTB: 60cm Cheviot (NH+)

[Hoch in ut]

There is an orange one on Riv Facebook group. There’s also a 58cm Betty 
frameset, if that size works. 
On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 6:53:56 PM UTC-6 Nic in Oslo wrote:

> If you have a Cheviot that needs a new home I’d love to open mine to it. 
>
> Any color, frame or complete, all’s good. 
>
> I’m in NH and am more than happy doing a bit of a road trip if you’re in 
> the New England area. 
>
> Nic
>

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[RBW] WTB: 60cm Cheviot (NH+)

[Nic in Oslo]

If you have a Cheviot that needs a new home I’d love to open mine to it. 

Any color, frame or complete, all’s good. 

I’m in NH and am more than happy doing a bit of a road trip if you’re in 
the New England area. 

Nic

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[Bill Lindsay]

New Email Newsletter all about the Roaduno is out.  So, based on my above 
"offer", if you plan to buy a 58 or a 61.5 frame set, think about getting 
the complete instead and letting me in on the parts.  The price delta is 
$650.  My offer is $700 plus my personal expert labor in helping you pull 
your complete together.  You'll get the frame a hair cheaper.  I only want 
to do this if it's local, so we don't have to ship things around.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 3:54:00 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> The down tube graphics are exceptional.  I agree the purple "1" on the 
> silver pops.  I'm hooked on the Saint Jump stickers.  
>
> I bought two different R05C0 8U883 bikes because of the rocket headbadge. 
>  The Rosco Bubbe Road that I owned is available from CMR right now, and I 
> endorse it.  
>
> I half want to convince one of you frame set buyers to get a complete 
> instead so I can grab the parts kit.  I want a set of the svelte new Silver 
> cranks (in 173) and the Saint Jump wheels are great too.  If you are in the 
> East Bay hand-off range and want to do something, let me know.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 3:19:26 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Question to the group; anyone ever bought a bike solely for the downtube 
>> graphics? Riv nailed it with this Roaduno at least in my book. I do 
>> particularly like it on the silver but all three look good to me.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 26, 2024, at 5:50 PM, Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA <
>> martin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> And I agree about the missing canti option. With the upcoming V-brake I 
>> would have bit the bullet on a silver one myself. 
>>
>> Marty
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[Bill Lindsay]

The down tube graphics are exceptional.  I agree the purple "1" on the 
silver pops.  I'm hooked on the Saint Jump stickers.  

I bought two different R05C0 8U883 bikes because of the rocket headbadge. 
 The Rosco Bubbe Road that I owned is available from CMR right now, and I 
endorse it.  

I half want to convince one of you frame set buyers to get a complete 
instead so I can grab the parts kit.  I want a set of the svelte new Silver 
cranks (in 173) and the Saint Jump wheels are great too.  If you are in the 
East Bay hand-off range and want to do something, let me know.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 3:19:26 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Question to the group; anyone ever bought a bike solely for the downtube 
> graphics? Riv nailed it with this Roaduno at least in my book. I do 
> particularly like it on the silver but all three look good to me.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 26, 2024, at 5:50 PM, Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA <
> martin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> And I agree about the missing canti option. With the upcoming V-brake I 
> would have bit the bullet on a silver one myself. 
>
> Marty
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Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto Technomic Stem

[Kim H.]

@Joel,

You are more than welcome. 
I hope it works out very well for you.
Send some pictures to us herein would be nice, when you get it installed.

Kim Hetzel. 

On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 2:39:15 PM UTC-7 J S wrote:

> Kim, 
> I’m with you on threadless, not for me. I think I found the same stem, 
> maybe on Ben’s, Technomic XL or something like that. 
>
> Thanks again. 
> On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 2:05 PM Kim H.  wrote:
>
>> You are more than welcome, Joel. 
>>
>> So, in a nutshell, you are trying to find a way to get your handlebar 
>> higher ? Right  ?
>>
>> After a long research on the internet, I found that long quill stem. I 
>> was and remain very pleased with the outcome. I just couldn't cross the 
>> threadless stem bridge as stubborn as I am from being old school. My bike 
>> would not look right. 
>>
>> Let me know what your decision choice is. 
>>
>> Sincerely, 
>> Kim.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2024, 10:56 AM J S  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks Kim, you’ve got that right and the miles get less and speed 
>>> slower. But if I can still ride I am happy. 
>>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 12:49 PM Kim H.  wrote:
>>>
 As we grow older, the gears get lower and the handlebars get higher.

 Kim Hetzel.

 On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 9:25:49 AM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:

> Hi Joel,
>
> I bought a NITTO Technomic NTC-280 Stem 
>  on 
> my 58cm Nitto Bosco bars from Alex Cycles without going threadless. I am 
> happy with it on my Clem.
>
> [image: thumbnail_20240111_143550.jpg]
>
> Kim Hetzel.
> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 8:59:42 AM UTC-7 J S wrote:
>
>> Rich, thanks. A forum friend said he has a nitto steerer extender. I 
>> am waiting for pics. He said it would give me up to 3” added height. 
>> That 
>> might be the least expensive way ro go about this and solve the problem. 
>> I 
>> am hoping it is feasible.
>>
>> Hoping you are well and riding, my Hillborne seems to be the most 
>> comfortable but the bars are 3cm higher than the saddle compares to the 
>> Saluki and yes, I would like to Keep the Saluki if possible. 
>>
>> Joel
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 11:25 AM RichS  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Joel,
>>>
>>> One more suggestion, albeit more extreme than a stem change, would 
>>> be to have a framebuilder replace the existing steerer tube with a 
>>> taller 
>>> one.
>>> I guess that alternative would depend on how committed you are to 
>>> keeping the Saluki. Good luck with whatever direction you choose. The 
>>> mixtes you mentioned would be on my list as well if my septugenarian 
>>> body 
>>> demands it at some point!
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 3:20:56 PM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Erik, I did find both of those and either might be the 
 solution. 

 Joel

 On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 1:14 PM Erik Wright  
 wrote:

> Hi Joel,
>
> Soma has a couple options. You could look at the 225mm rise Dirt 
> Drop stem 
> 
>  
> for some more height, or the mega-tall 280mm rise Nitto Technomic 
> (25.4 
> version for your Chocos/Albas 
> )
>  
> for even more.
>
> Getting a mixte would be pretty cool, but so would keeping your 
> Saluki!
>
> Erik, Philly
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 11:07:03 AM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I believe the Nitto technomic stem is basically the Tallux steel, 
>> 225 ht. I also believe this is the highest stem rise available. I 
>> have used 
>> these since I have gone to Albatross and Choco  bars. I bought a 
>> frame 2 
>> years ago and unknown to me at the time the steerer tube was cut, 
>> the stem 
>> height is about 2.5-3 cm less than on my Sam Hillborne and I believe 
>> it is 
>> enough to aggravate my back, going from yesterdays ride. Any 
>> suggestions? I 
>> may have to sell the much sought after Saluki frame. If I did with 
>> advancing age, some balance issues I would be looking for a 
>> Willbury, Yves 
>> Gomes or a Cheviot as I like the shorter chainstays better. The 
>> Saluki is a 
>> 54 cm, so about a 51 by todays models like my Hillborne.  I would 
>> have to 
>> look at the effective TT lengths on any frame, not sure how Riv 

[RBW] FS: 24 Riv Readers $50 +ship

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I'm looking for a new home for my Rivendell Readers. They are in good shape
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Also free with the order: three Bicycle Quarterly issues: Vol. 5 Edition 4,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[Richard Rose]

Question to the group; anyone ever bought a bike solely for the downtube graphics? Riv nailed it with this Roaduno at least in my book. I do particularly like it on the silver but all three look good to me.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 26, 2024, at 5:50 PM, Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA  wrote:And I agree about the missing canti option. With the upcoming V-brake I would have bit the bullet on a silver one myself. Marty



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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA]

And I agree about the missing canti option. With the upcoming V-brake I 
would have bit the bullet on a silver one myself. 

Marty

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[RBW] Re: Internal rim width

[J J]

Hey Dylan. Yes, I've run the Fleecers on Dyads with tubes. No problems at 
all. They were on a Hunq and I rode them hard, frequently with heavy loads. 
I have different tires now, but I would not hesitate to run Fleecers on 
Dyads again. 

For what it's worth, I had *endurance plus* casing, as my previous 
experience with various RH tires in standard and extra light casing showed 
me that the latter two were very, very, very prone to sidewall gashes and 
flats on regular pavement and easy gravel trails, nothing hardcore or 
"technical". I had more flats with standard and extra light than with any 
other tires I have ever used.

Jim

On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 5:08:27 PM UTC-4 dylantho...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi - 
>
> I'm considering getting some big Fleecer Ridge tires on my velocity dyads. 
> RH has a suggested rim width of 19mm, but the dyads measure 18.6. Anyone 
> have experience with this? I'm assuming I'll be OK - but you know what they 
> say about that. Not sure if it matters, but I'll be running them with 
> tubes. 
>
> thanks,
> d
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Re: [RBW] Re: Internal rim width

[dylan green]

Thanks everyone!On Jun 26, 2024, at 2:41 PM, Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA  wrote:I have Fleecer Ridge on Dyads with tubes, and it's been no problem. Really nice tires!Marty<52161011153_8f8fb5bd1a_h.jpg>On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 5:08:27 PM UTC-4 dylan green wrote:Hi - I'm considering getting some big Fleecer Ridge tires on my velocity dyads. RH has a suggested rim width of 19mm, but the dyads measure 18.6. Anyone have experience with this? I'm assuming I'll be OK - but you know what they say about that. Not sure if it matters, but I'll be running them with tubes. thanks,d



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Re: [RBW] Internal rim width

[Eric Daume]

I would have zero concerns with that combo.

Eric

On Wednesday, June 26, 2024, dylan green  wrote:

> Hi -
>
> I'm considering getting some big Fleecer Ridge tires on my velocity dyads.
> RH has a suggested rim width of 19mm, but the dyads measure 18.6. Anyone
> have experience with this? I'm assuming I'll be OK - but you know what they
> say about that. Not sure if it matters, but I'll be running them with
> tubes.
>
> thanks,
> d
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Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto Technomic Stem

[J S]

Kim,
I’m with you on threadless, not for me. I think I found the same stem,
maybe on Ben’s, Technomic XL or something like that.

Thanks again.
On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 2:05 PM Kim H.  wrote:

> You are more than welcome, Joel.
>
> So, in a nutshell, you are trying to find a way to get your handlebar
> higher ? Right  ?
>
> After a long research on the internet, I found that long quill stem. I was
> and remain very pleased with the outcome. I just couldn't cross the
> threadless stem bridge as stubborn as I am from being old school. My bike
> would not look right.
>
> Let me know what your decision choice is.
>
> Sincerely,
> Kim.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 26, 2024, 10:56 AM J S  wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks Kim, you’ve got that right and the miles get less and speed
>> slower. But if I can still ride I am happy.
>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 12:49 PM Kim H.  wrote:
>>
>>> As we grow older, the gears get lower and the handlebars get higher.
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 9:25:49 AM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>>>
 Hi Joel,

 I bought a NITTO Technomic NTC-280 Stem
  on my
 58cm Nitto Bosco bars from Alex Cycles without going threadless. I am happy
 with it on my Clem.

 [image: thumbnail_20240111_143550.jpg]

 Kim Hetzel.
 On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 8:59:42 AM UTC-7 J S wrote:

> Rich, thanks. A forum friend said he has a nitto steerer extender. I
> am waiting for pics. He said it would give me up to 3” added height. That
> might be the least expensive way ro go about this and solve the problem. I
> am hoping it is feasible.
>
> Hoping you are well and riding, my Hillborne seems to be the most
> comfortable but the bars are 3cm higher than the saddle compares to the
> Saluki and yes, I would like to Keep the Saluki if possible.
>
> Joel
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 11:25 AM RichS  wrote:
>
>> Hi Joel,
>>
>> One more suggestion, albeit more extreme than a stem change, would be
>> to have a framebuilder replace the existing steerer tube with a taller 
>> one.
>> I guess that alternative would depend on how committed you are to
>> keeping the Saluki. Good luck with whatever direction you choose. The
>> mixtes you mentioned would be on my list as well if my septugenarian body
>> demands it at some point!
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 3:20:56 PM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Erik, I did find both of those and either might be the
>>> solution.
>>>
>>> Joel
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 1:14 PM Erik Wright 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Joel,

 Soma has a couple options. You could look at the 225mm rise Dirt
 Drop stem
 
 for some more height, or the mega-tall 280mm rise Nitto Technomic (25.4
 version for your Chocos/Albas
 )
 for even more.

 Getting a mixte would be pretty cool, but so would keeping your
 Saluki!

 Erik, Philly


 On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 11:07:03 AM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com
 wrote:

> I believe the Nitto technomic stem is basically the Tallux steel,
> 225 ht. I also believe this is the highest stem rise available. I 
> have used
> these since I have gone to Albatross and Choco  bars. I bought a 
> frame 2
> years ago and unknown to me at the time the steerer tube was cut, the 
> stem
> height is about 2.5-3 cm less than on my Sam Hillborne and I believe 
> it is
> enough to aggravate my back, going from yesterdays ride. Any 
> suggestions? I
> may have to sell the much sought after Saluki frame. If I did with
> advancing age, some balance issues I would be looking for a Willbury, 
> Yves
> Gomes or a Cheviot as I like the shorter chainstays better. The 
> Saluki is a
> 54 cm, so about a 51 by todays models like my Hillborne.  I would 
> have to
> look at the effective TT lengths on any frame, not sure how Riv sized 
> these
> step throughs. All I would need would be the ability to use 42mm 
> tires.
>
> If anyone has any ideas I would be open to listen, or if anyone
> has any of the step throughs I have mentioned above they are looking 
> to
> sell or trade please let me know.
>
> Thank,
>
> Joel
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[RBW] Internal rim width

[dylan green]

Hi - 

I'm considering getting some big Fleecer Ridge tires on my velocity dyads. 
RH has a suggested rim width of 19mm, but the dyads measure 18.6. Anyone 
have experience with this? I'm assuming I'll be OK - but you know what they 
say about that. Not sure if it matters, but I'll be running them with 
tubes. 

thanks,
d

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[RBW] WTB: Clem Smith Jr L 52

[Doug H.]

I sold one but now want another one to set up for trail riding. If you have 
a 52 L in any color that you'd like to sell let me know.
Doug

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Re: [RBW] Re: Front Derailleur Adjustment - Friction DT Shifters

[Jason Noonievut]

Thanks for the tips!I will check that it’s straight.  The cage is rather narrow and perhaps later on I’ll look for a 9-10sp one and if it’s wider, a little less rub.  I probably won’t make any other adjustments because it’s only a minor inconvenience.  On today’s ride it only happened a handful of times and I just nudged it.  The imperfections are what make the whole experience interesting ;-)JasonOn Jun 26, 2024, at 11:40 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:I've never experienced a FD where I never had to trim, even with indexed front shifting. After a while you'll get to know when you're about to have chain rub and will start moving the fd a smidge before you up- or down-shift the rear. Joe Bernard On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 6:15:52 PM UTC-7 Jay wrote:I've been riding my Roadini since February and it has been great, although the FD seems less than ideal.  When I'm in the big ring, it works quietly on only the few smallest sprockets.  When I'm the small ring, works quietly on the 4-5 largest sprockets.  I'm often making minor adjustments to the front DT shifter to line it up so there is no chain rub / noise.  I've gotten used to this and it's not really a big deal, but I was thinking there may be something I can do to improve things, and figured this group knows friction! The shop who built the bike is great, and everything was well done from what I can tell, so my guess is the FD is set up as good as possible, and maybe only a very minor tweak is required.  Perhaps it's just the specific parts and how they work together (i.e., not a perfect system).  Before I try and make any adjustments myself I thought I would ask about others' experience with friction shifting, front derailleurs, or perhaps this specific from derailleur.  My success rate at fixing drivetrain issues in the past is moderate...though it's not intuitive for me, and I have to watch youtube videos to learn before doing anything.Other bikes I have/had are index, usually 105/Ultegra/GRX, and the front derailleur wasn't noticeable, it just worked, quietly.The down tube shifters are Dia-Compe ENE Ciclo 11sp, front derailleur is GRX 810.Thanks in advance!



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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Ride: Lakeshore Trail, Chicago, June 29

[Gautham Narayan]

Too bad about the weather, but selfishly this is great, because I couldn't 
make the 29th (will be up in Chicago, but was flying out of ORD that 
evening, so would have had to figure out what to do with the bike for three 
weeks). Hopefully I can make the Fall Ride - with the added bonus of nicer 
weather!

Cheers,
-Gautham

On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 2:29:56 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Hi All, 
>
> The weather this weekend in Chicago isn’t promising for our ride. Storms 
> are predicted to move through the area for the weekend. We are going to 
> hold off and try again this fall. Sorry to miss it and hope to see you at 
> the next ride.
> Leah and Marc
>
> On Jun 24, 2024, at 8:53 PM, Conway Bennett  
> wrote:
>
> This snuck up on me.  My Hunqapillar and I will probably join.  I was 
> going to do an overnight bike trip Saturday, then I remembered that I 
> volunteered to work this Sunday.
>
>
>
> On Monday, June 24, 2024 at 3:53:13 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Reminder: Marc Irwin and I are planning a Riv Ride this Saturday, June 
>> 29, on Chicago’s famous Lakefront Trail. (Weather permitting!)
>>
>> We are looking for a group of 5 or more riders, if less, we will 
>> reschedule. 
>>
>> When: June 29, 10am
>> Where: Chicago Lakefront Trail.
>>
>> We have traditionally had good turnouts and a ton of fun on these rides, 
>> so I hope to see you this weekend.
>>
>> RSVP here so we can get a headcount! 
>> Leah and Marc
>>
>> On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 10:35:42 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Friends,
>>>
>>> People have been asking when we’re next gathering for another Riv Ride, 
>>> and summer is flying by. How about we squeeze in a ride on June 29th in 
>>> Chicago for a group ride on the Lakeshore Trail? We did do a Riv Ride last 
>>> year beginning in Evanston, but there is (so I hear) another 15 miles of 
>>> gorgous trail we did not ride yet.
>>>
>>> Place: Chicago Lakeshore Trail, meeting spot to be announced later
>>> Date: Saturday, June 29
>>> Time: 10:00 am
>>> Please let me know if you plan to come so we get an idea of a headcount.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Leah and Marc
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Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto Technomic Stem

[Kim H.]

You are more than welcome, Joel.

So, in a nutshell, you are trying to find a way to get your handlebar
higher ? Right  ?

After a long research on the internet, I found that long quill stem. I was
and remain very pleased with the outcome. I just couldn't cross the
threadless stem bridge as stubborn as I am from being old school. My bike
would not look right.

Let me know what your decision choice is.

Sincerely,
Kim.



On Wed, Jun 26, 2024, 10:56 AM J S  wrote:

>
> Thanks Kim, you’ve got that right and the miles get less and speed slower.
> But if I can still ride I am happy.
> On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 12:49 PM Kim H.  wrote:
>
>> As we grow older, the gears get lower and the handlebars get higher.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 9:25:49 AM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Joel,
>>>
>>> I bought a NITTO Technomic NTC-280 Stem
>>>  on my
>>> 58cm Nitto Bosco bars from Alex Cycles without going threadless. I am happy
>>> with it on my Clem.
>>>
>>> [image: thumbnail_20240111_143550.jpg]
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 8:59:42 AM UTC-7 J S wrote:
>>>
 Rich, thanks. A forum friend said he has a nitto steerer extender. I am
 waiting for pics. He said it would give me up to 3” added height. That
 might be the least expensive way ro go about this and solve the problem. I
 am hoping it is feasible.

 Hoping you are well and riding, my Hillborne seems to be the most
 comfortable but the bars are 3cm higher than the saddle compares to the
 Saluki and yes, I would like to Keep the Saluki if possible.

 Joel



 On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 11:25 AM RichS  wrote:

> Hi Joel,
>
> One more suggestion, albeit more extreme than a stem change, would be
> to have a framebuilder replace the existing steerer tube with a taller 
> one.
> I guess that alternative would depend on how committed you are to
> keeping the Saluki. Good luck with whatever direction you choose. The
> mixtes you mentioned would be on my list as well if my septugenarian body
> demands it at some point!
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 3:20:56 PM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks Erik, I did find both of those and either might be the
>> solution.
>>
>> Joel
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 1:14 PM Erik Wright 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Joel,
>>>
>>> Soma has a couple options. You could look at the 225mm rise Dirt
>>> Drop stem
>>> 
>>> for some more height, or the mega-tall 280mm rise Nitto Technomic (25.4
>>> version for your Chocos/Albas
>>> )
>>> for even more.
>>>
>>> Getting a mixte would be pretty cool, but so would keeping your
>>> Saluki!
>>>
>>> Erik, Philly
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 11:07:03 AM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I believe the Nitto technomic stem is basically the Tallux steel,
 225 ht. I also believe this is the highest stem rise available. I have 
 used
 these since I have gone to Albatross and Choco  bars. I bought a frame 
 2
 years ago and unknown to me at the time the steerer tube was cut, the 
 stem
 height is about 2.5-3 cm less than on my Sam Hillborne and I believe 
 it is
 enough to aggravate my back, going from yesterdays ride. Any 
 suggestions? I
 may have to sell the much sought after Saluki frame. If I did with
 advancing age, some balance issues I would be looking for a Willbury, 
 Yves
 Gomes or a Cheviot as I like the shorter chainstays better. The Saluki 
 is a
 54 cm, so about a 51 by todays models like my Hillborne.  I would have 
 to
 look at the effective TT lengths on any frame, not sure how Riv sized 
 these
 step throughs. All I would need would be the ability to use 42mm tires.

 If anyone has any ideas I would be open to listen, or if anyone has
 any of the step throughs I have mentioned above they are looking to 
 sell or
 trade please let me know.

 Thank,

 Joel

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto Technomic Stem

[J S]

Thanks Kim, you’ve got that right and the miles get less and speed slower.
But if I can still ride I am happy.
On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 12:49 PM Kim H.  wrote:

> As we grow older, the gears get lower and the handlebars get higher.
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 9:25:49 AM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>
>> Hi Joel,
>>
>> I bought a NITTO Technomic NTC-280 Stem
>>  on my
>> 58cm Nitto Bosco bars from Alex Cycles without going threadless. I am happy
>> with it on my Clem.
>>
>> [image: thumbnail_20240111_143550.jpg]
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 8:59:42 AM UTC-7 J S wrote:
>>
>>> Rich, thanks. A forum friend said he has a nitto steerer extender. I am
>>> waiting for pics. He said it would give me up to 3” added height. That
>>> might be the least expensive way ro go about this and solve the problem. I
>>> am hoping it is feasible.
>>>
>>> Hoping you are well and riding, my Hillborne seems to be the most
>>> comfortable but the bars are 3cm higher than the saddle compares to the
>>> Saluki and yes, I would like to Keep the Saluki if possible.
>>>
>>> Joel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 11:25 AM RichS  wrote:
>>>
 Hi Joel,

 One more suggestion, albeit more extreme than a stem change, would be
 to have a framebuilder replace the existing steerer tube with a taller one.
 I guess that alternative would depend on how committed you are to
 keeping the Saluki. Good luck with whatever direction you choose. The
 mixtes you mentioned would be on my list as well if my septugenarian body
 demands it at some point!

 Best,
 Rich in ATL

 On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 3:20:56 PM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks Erik, I did find both of those and either might be the
> solution.
>
> Joel
>
> On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 1:14 PM Erik Wright 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Joel,
>>
>> Soma has a couple options. You could look at the 225mm rise Dirt
>> Drop stem
>> 
>> for some more height, or the mega-tall 280mm rise Nitto Technomic (25.4
>> version for your Chocos/Albas
>> )
>> for even more.
>>
>> Getting a mixte would be pretty cool, but so would keeping your
>> Saluki!
>>
>> Erik, Philly
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 11:07:03 AM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I believe the Nitto technomic stem is basically the Tallux steel,
>>> 225 ht. I also believe this is the highest stem rise available. I have 
>>> used
>>> these since I have gone to Albatross and Choco  bars. I bought a frame 2
>>> years ago and unknown to me at the time the steerer tube was cut, the 
>>> stem
>>> height is about 2.5-3 cm less than on my Sam Hillborne and I believe it 
>>> is
>>> enough to aggravate my back, going from yesterdays ride. Any 
>>> suggestions? I
>>> may have to sell the much sought after Saluki frame. If I did with
>>> advancing age, some balance issues I would be looking for a Willbury, 
>>> Yves
>>> Gomes or a Cheviot as I like the shorter chainstays better. The Saluki 
>>> is a
>>> 54 cm, so about a 51 by todays models like my Hillborne.  I would have 
>>> to
>>> look at the effective TT lengths on any frame, not sure how Riv sized 
>>> these
>>> step throughs. All I would need would be the ability to use 42mm tires.
>>>
>>> If anyone has any ideas I would be open to listen, or if anyone has
>>> any of the step throughs I have mentioned above they are looking to 
>>> sell or
>>> trade please let me know.
>>>
>>> Thank,
>>>
>>> Joel
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[Joe Bernard]

Will says on Instagram that they're building up a silver and posting pics 
today. 

On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 8:58:00 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> No pics of the Silver?
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 26, 2024, at 10:03 AM, Dave S  wrote:
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/frame-roaduno
>
>
> Page/Photos are up.
>
> On Sunday, June 23, 2024 at 4:59:43 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> The Roaduno sale begins Thursday June 27th noon Pacific time. Who is 
>> planning to buy one? Will you buy a frameset to build up or a complete? 
>> Color preference?
>>
>> I'm curious as to the demand for this bike. It's not JUST a single speed 
>> which I think is cool. And, cool is good in my lingo. What do you all think 
>> of the stock components?
>>
>> Let's talk Roaduno!!
>>
>> Doug
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[RBW] ISO/WTB: A single 9-speed Shimano Dura-Ace bar end shifter

[Kim H.]

I am looking to buy the right indexed/friction 9-speed Shimano Dura-Ace bar 
end shifter Model SL-BS77 without buying the pair. If you have one stashed 
away in your parts drawers, and in good condition and working order. I 
would like to buy it from you.

Send me some pictures. 

Paypal payment, please.

Thank-you,
Kim Hetzel. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto Technomic Stem

[Kim H.]

As we grow older, the gears get lower and the handlebars get higher.

Kim Hetzel.

On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 9:25:49 AM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:

> Hi Joel,
>
> I bought a NITTO Technomic NTC-280 Stem 
>  on my 
> 58cm Nitto Bosco bars from Alex Cycles without going threadless. I am happy 
> with it on my Clem.
>
> [image: thumbnail_20240111_143550.jpg]
>
> Kim Hetzel.
> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 8:59:42 AM UTC-7 J S wrote:
>
>> Rich, thanks. A forum friend said he has a nitto steerer extender. I am 
>> waiting for pics. He said it would give me up to 3” added height. That 
>> might be the least expensive way ro go about this and solve the problem. I 
>> am hoping it is feasible.
>>
>> Hoping you are well and riding, my Hillborne seems to be the most 
>> comfortable but the bars are 3cm higher than the saddle compares to the 
>> Saluki and yes, I would like to Keep the Saluki if possible. 
>>
>> Joel
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 11:25 AM RichS  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Joel,
>>>
>>> One more suggestion, albeit more extreme than a stem change, would be to 
>>> have a framebuilder replace the existing steerer tube with a taller one.
>>> I guess that alternative would depend on how committed you are to 
>>> keeping the Saluki. Good luck with whatever direction you choose. The 
>>> mixtes you mentioned would be on my list as well if my septugenarian body 
>>> demands it at some point!
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 3:20:56 PM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Erik, I did find both of those and either might be the solution. 

 Joel

 On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 1:14 PM Erik Wright  
 wrote:

> Hi Joel,
>
> Soma has a couple options. You could look at the 225mm rise Dirt Drop 
> stem 
> 
>  
> for some more height, or the mega-tall 280mm rise Nitto Technomic (25.4 
> version for your Chocos/Albas 
> )
>  
> for even more.
>
> Getting a mixte would be pretty cool, but so would keeping your Saluki!
>
> Erik, Philly
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 11:07:03 AM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I believe the Nitto technomic stem is basically the Tallux steel, 225 
>> ht. I also believe this is the highest stem rise available. I have used 
>> these since I have gone to Albatross and Choco  bars. I bought a frame 2 
>> years ago and unknown to me at the time the steerer tube was cut, the 
>> stem 
>> height is about 2.5-3 cm less than on my Sam Hillborne and I believe it 
>> is 
>> enough to aggravate my back, going from yesterdays ride. Any 
>> suggestions? I 
>> may have to sell the much sought after Saluki frame. If I did with 
>> advancing age, some balance issues I would be looking for a Willbury, 
>> Yves 
>> Gomes or a Cheviot as I like the shorter chainstays better. The Saluki 
>> is a 
>> 54 cm, so about a 51 by todays models like my Hillborne.  I would have 
>> to 
>> look at the effective TT lengths on any frame, not sure how Riv sized 
>> these 
>> step throughs. All I would need would be the ability to use 42mm tires.
>>
>> If anyone has any ideas I would be open to listen, or if anyone has 
>> any of the step throughs I have mentioned above they are looking to sell 
>> or 
>> trade please let me know.
>>
>> Thank,
>>
>> Joel
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto Technomic Stem

[J S]

Rich, thanks. A forum friend said he has a nitto steerer extender. I am
waiting for pics. He said it would give me up to 3” added height. That
might be the least expensive way ro go about this and solve the problem. I
am hoping it is feasible.

Hoping you are well and riding, my Hillborne seems to be the most
comfortable but the bars are 3cm higher than the saddle compares to the
Saluki and yes, I would like to Keep the Saluki if possible.

Joel



On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 11:25 AM RichS  wrote:

> Hi Joel,
>
> One more suggestion, albeit more extreme than a stem change, would be to
> have a framebuilder replace the existing steerer tube with a taller one.
> I guess that alternative would depend on how committed you are to keeping
> the Saluki. Good luck with whatever direction you choose. The mixtes you
> mentioned would be on my list as well if my septugenarian body demands it
> at some point!
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 3:20:56 PM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks Erik, I did find both of those and either might be the solution.
>>
>> Joel
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 1:14 PM Erik Wright  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Joel,
>>>
>>> Soma has a couple options. You could look at the 225mm rise Dirt Drop
>>> stem
>>> 
>>> for some more height, or the mega-tall 280mm rise Nitto Technomic (25.4
>>> version for your Chocos/Albas
>>> )
>>> for even more.
>>>
>>> Getting a mixte would be pretty cool, but so would keeping your Saluki!
>>>
>>> Erik, Philly
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 11:07:03 AM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I believe the Nitto technomic stem is basically the Tallux steel, 225
 ht. I also believe this is the highest stem rise available. I have used
 these since I have gone to Albatross and Choco  bars. I bought a frame 2
 years ago and unknown to me at the time the steerer tube was cut, the stem
 height is about 2.5-3 cm less than on my Sam Hillborne and I believe it is
 enough to aggravate my back, going from yesterdays ride. Any suggestions? I
 may have to sell the much sought after Saluki frame. If I did with
 advancing age, some balance issues I would be looking for a Willbury, Yves
 Gomes or a Cheviot as I like the shorter chainstays better. The Saluki is a
 54 cm, so about a 51 by todays models like my Hillborne.  I would have to
 look at the effective TT lengths on any frame, not sure how Riv sized these
 step throughs. All I would need would be the ability to use 42mm tires.

 If anyone has any ideas I would be open to listen, or if anyone has any
 of the step throughs I have mentioned above they are looking to sell or
 trade please let me know.

 Thank,

 Joel

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[Richard Rose]

No pics of the Silver?Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 26, 2024, at 10:03 AM, Dave S  wrote:https://www.rivbike.com/products/frame-roadunoPage/Photos are up.On Sunday, June 23, 2024 at 4:59:43 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:The Roaduno sale begins Thursday June 27th noon Pacific time. Who is planning to buy one? Will you buy a frameset to build up or a complete? Color preference?I'm curious as to the demand for this bike. It's not JUST a single speed which I think is cool. And, cool is good in my lingo. What do you all think of the stock components?Let's talk Roaduno!!Doug



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[RBW] Re: Front Derailleur Adjustment - Friction DT Shifters

[Joe Bernard]

I've never experienced a FD where I never had to trim, even with indexed 
front shifting. After a while you'll get to know when you're about to have 
chain rub and will start moving the fd a smidge before you up- or 
down-shift the rear. 

Joe Bernard 

On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 6:15:52 PM UTC-7 Jay wrote:

> I've been riding my Roadini since February and it has been great, although 
> the FD seems less than ideal.  When I'm in the big ring, it works quietly 
> on only the few smallest sprockets.  When I'm the small ring, works quietly 
> on the 4-5 largest sprockets.  I'm often making minor adjustments to the 
> front DT shifter to line it up so there is no chain rub / noise.  I've 
> gotten used to this and it's not really a big deal, but I was thinking 
> there may be something I can do to improve things, and figured this group 
> knows friction!
>
>  The shop who built the bike is great, and everything was well done from 
> what I can tell, so my guess is the FD is set up as good as possible, and 
> maybe only a very minor tweak is required.  Perhaps it's just the specific 
> parts and how they work together (i.e., not a perfect system).  
>
> Before I try and make any adjustments myself I thought I would ask about 
> others' experience with friction shifting, front derailleurs, or perhaps 
> this specific from derailleur.  My success rate at fixing drivetrain issues 
> in the past is moderate...though it's not intuitive for me, and I have to 
> watch youtube videos to learn before doing anything.
>
> Other bikes I have/had are index, usually 105/Ultegra/GRX, and the front 
> derailleur wasn't noticeable, it just worked, quietly.
>
> The down tube shifters are Dia-Compe ENE Ciclo 11sp, front derailleur is 
> GRX 810.
>
> Thanks in advance!
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Inspired Ibisu

[Bill Lindsay]

Brian

It's not a stupid question and you are right that c-to-c vs c-to-t is just 
a 1.5cm difference.  I think Ken answered at the top that there is a 
significant difference in fit philosophy between Iimura-san and Rivendell. 
 They provided Iimura-san some measurements and Iimura-san designed a bike 
that "fits" according to Iimura-san.  Somebody who is habituated to a 
Riv-fit may find that fit sort of tiny.  The OP Ken reported a similar 
story with other traditional fitters and his Waterford.  It's just 
different philosophies.  

Ken also stated the opinion that we customers should not prescribe to bike 
designers how to design a bike.  Some customers think that's the definition 
of a custom.  I'm going to specify every single thing.  The middle ground, 
I think, is Stack and Reach.  If Ken's brother had only given Iimura-san 
the Stack and Reach numbers he was after, then I think the frame would have 
been quite a bit bigger.  The setup would have been a French looking 
"fist-of-seatpost", but would have fit great.  My own Ebisu (second-hand) 
is big.  Here are three bikes that fit me and have similar Stack and Reach:

https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/13016460295/in/photolist-kxtPZa-kQdGgx-kQdLae-kQfyiU-21SYx66-7pi77s-83uZiE-8v5RMV-2jzMoAM-2p1fwnV-oQfqiq-7peeRR-7pefcB-7pi6Dm-7pi6HG-7pi71o-8nSHbN-8pbMo7-95X2JT-9616Gj

https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/50088245203/in/photolist-2jj8mfx-2mbbZta-9cx96S

https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53117530540/in/photolist-2oVPef5-2pHGgUk-2pHGgYZ

They all look a lot different.  The point is that a level top tube bike to 
fit like a Rivendell has to be pretty large and have a lot less standover.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 7:00:47 AM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> This may be a stupid question, so if I'm way off, I'm hoping someone here 
> will enlighten me. Regarding the difference in c-c vs. c-t, wouldn't that 
> difference be somewhat nominal given the latitude we are used to with a lot 
> of Rivendell frame sizes? I mean, unless we're talking about a frame with a 
> sloping top tube, wouldn't that only be 1 to 1.5 cm difference for a frame 
> with a traditional mostly horizontal top tube? It seems to me if I could 
> ride both a 51cm and a 54cm Sam Hillborne by altering my cockpit setup 
> slightly, measuring c-t vs. c-c would not factor much into the overall 
> fit... but again, I could be way off base in my understanding.
>
> Brian
> Lex KY
>
> On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 7:45 AM Ryan  wrote:
>
>> That is a lovely frame...very clean and understated. It's too bad it 
>> didn't fit. Wonder what the story is...confusion about how frame size is 
>> measured like @Max suggests? You would think for a custom frame , given 
>> some objective measurements like PBH, Ibisu should be able to nail the size 
>> exactly rather than selecting the optimum size from a couple of production 
>> sizes; the subject of many posts on this forum. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 8:05:37 PM UTC-5 Max S wrote:
>>
>>> Sad. Ebisu are my faves. Was this by chance a mis-understanding of a C-C 
>>> vs. C-T type of measurement?.. 
>>>
>>> - Max "fishy gods" in A2
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 2:50:50 PM UTC-4 John Dewey wrote:
>>>
 Yikes, happy Mr. Imura is busy and grateful I had mine built five years 
 ago. Dumb luck, too, I suppose as the E was delivered to me in Athens GA @ 
 wait time about five weeks. I got similarly lucky once with a JB respray, 
 as well. 

 So I quit while I was ahead. Altho I suppose we ought to learn ‘never 
 say never’ right?

 JD

 On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 9:18 AM Ken Yokanovich  
 wrote:

> Heartbreaking, yes. I was so excited for my brother when he texted 
> that his new frame was supposed to arrive. We generally talk several 
> times 
> a week and seldom about much more than bikes, bike parts, bike rides, and 
> bike projects. Yes, it's definitely a "First-World" problem, but I was 
> really upsetting to hear him so disappointed.
>
> Careful measurements of several most-comfortable reference bikes 
> including two different 58cm Rivendell Atlantis and a 54cm Rivendell Sam 
> Hillborne were supplied.I think the difference between expectation and 
> reality was a result of different philosophies in how a bike should fit.  
> I 
> don't think it's fair to dictate to a builder "this is how you should 
> make 
> my bike." 
>
> I had a very similar experience years ago when I ordered a custom 
> Waterford touring frame.  At the time, almost every professional bike 
> fitter that I worked with said I should be on a 56 or *maybe* a 58cm 
> frame. When I worked with Grant on the order of my first custom, I was 
> floored by the idea that he was designing a 60cm frame for me. My 
> Waterford 
> was beautiful and I tried to make it work for years before eventually 
> 

Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto Technomic Stem

[RichS]

Hi Joel,

One more suggestion, albeit more extreme than a stem change, would be to 
have a framebuilder replace the existing steerer tube with a taller one.
I guess that alternative would depend on how committed you are to keeping 
the Saluki. Good luck with whatever direction you choose. The mixtes you 
mentioned would be on my list as well if my septugenarian body demands it 
at some point!

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 3:20:56 PM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks Erik, I did find both of those and either might be the solution. 
>
> Joel
>
> On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 1:14 PM Erik Wright  wrote:
>
>> Hi Joel,
>>
>> Soma has a couple options. You could look at the 225mm rise Dirt Drop 
>> stem 
>> 
>>  
>> for some more height, or the mega-tall 280mm rise Nitto Technomic (25.4 
>> version for your Chocos/Albas 
>> )
>>  
>> for even more.
>>
>> Getting a mixte would be pretty cool, but so would keeping your Saluki!
>>
>> Erik, Philly
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 11:07:03 AM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I believe the Nitto technomic stem is basically the Tallux steel, 225 
>>> ht. I also believe this is the highest stem rise available. I have used 
>>> these since I have gone to Albatross and Choco  bars. I bought a frame 2 
>>> years ago and unknown to me at the time the steerer tube was cut, the stem 
>>> height is about 2.5-3 cm less than on my Sam Hillborne and I believe it is 
>>> enough to aggravate my back, going from yesterdays ride. Any suggestions? I 
>>> may have to sell the much sought after Saluki frame. If I did with 
>>> advancing age, some balance issues I would be looking for a Willbury, Yves 
>>> Gomes or a Cheviot as I like the shorter chainstays better. The Saluki is a 
>>> 54 cm, so about a 51 by todays models like my Hillborne.  I would have to 
>>> look at the effective TT lengths on any frame, not sure how Riv sized these 
>>> step throughs. All I would need would be the ability to use 42mm tires.
>>>
>>> If anyone has any ideas I would be open to listen, or if anyone has any 
>>> of the step throughs I have mentioned above they are looking to sell or 
>>> trade please let me know.
>>>
>>> Thank,
>>>
>>> Joel
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Front Derailleur Adjustment - Friction DT Shifters

[Drew Saunders]

I agree, it seems likely that your FD is rotated just a wee bit. I'm not 
familiar with "indexing" FDs, like your GRX 810, but I would expect them to 
be wider than older friction only FDs, just to accommodate the fact that 
indexing front shifters can't trim. Either I'm the best home mechanic, or I 
got really lucky, in that when I set up my new-to-me c. 1990 Campy Croce 
d'Aune FD for 2x11 friction, I got it in just the right spot no not rub on 
the chain through the entire 11 speed range with the "big" ring (middle 
position of a 26-42-guard triple). I was fully expecting to have to trim as 
I ran the cassette. With my bar-end shifters and 9-speed, I would 
occasionally have to trim the FD as I used more of the cassette, but I 
shifted the FD a lot more with a triple than with my "one-by with bailout" 
setup.

Anyway, if you want to embrace full friction, a simpler, older FD may do 
the trick. A quick search on eBay for "Shimano 600 front derailleur" got 
quite a few for under $20. Ultregra was one time "600" then "600 Ultregra" 
so that's an easy search for older Ultegra-level equipment. Dura Ace has 
been Dura Ace for a very long time, but an older 8-speed or 9-speed era DA 
FD would be nice too, but for more money. I went with a Campy FD to go with 
my Mavic DT shifter so I could maximize the number of different brands in 
my drivetrain just to be a contrarian.

Drew

On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 6:15:52 PM UTC-7 Jay wrote:

> I've been riding my Roadini since February and it has been great, although 
> the FD seems less than ideal.  When I'm in the big ring, it works quietly 
> on only the few smallest sprockets.  When I'm the small ring, works quietly 
> on the 4-5 largest sprockets.  I'm often making minor adjustments to the 
> front DT shifter to line it up so there is no chain rub / noise.  I've 
> gotten used to this and it's not really a big deal, but I was thinking 
> there may be something I can do to improve things, and figured this group 
> knows friction!
>
>  The shop who built the bike is great, and everything was well done from 
> what I can tell, so my guess is the FD is set up as good as possible, and 
> maybe only a very minor tweak is required.  Perhaps it's just the specific 
> parts and how they work together (i.e., not a perfect system).  
>
> Before I try and make any adjustments myself I thought I would ask about 
> others' experience with friction shifting, front derailleurs, or perhaps 
> this specific from derailleur.  My success rate at fixing drivetrain issues 
> in the past is moderate...though it's not intuitive for me, and I have to 
> watch youtube videos to learn before doing anything.
>
> Other bikes I have/had are index, usually 105/Ultegra/GRX, and the front 
> derailleur wasn't noticeable, it just worked, quietly.
>
> The down tube shifters are Dia-Compe ENE Ciclo 11sp, front derailleur is 
> GRX 810.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivrafting: Hunq's Maiden Voyage

[RichS]

John, 

That is impressive. I love it. A combination of effort, creativity and 
serenity. What a delightful way to spend the day.
Always enjoy seeing and reading about your adventures.

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 9:10:45 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> John, 
>
> That is awesome. Love the bike and that you thought to take your Hunq on 
> an inflatable raft, just awesome. 
>
> On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 8:27:46 PM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> The Atlantis saw lots of river time aboard the Alpackaraft while I was in 
>> Arizona, but now that I'm back in BC on my home river, the Slocan, I had a 
>> chance today to take the Hunq for a paddle. 
>> [image: Here By Bike - 4 of 4.jpeg]
>> I rode up the valley along the river on the Slocan Valley Rail Trail for 
>> about 20km, set up the raft in the shade of some huge cedars, and the 
>> shoved off into the cool waters of the Slocan River. 
>> [image: Here By Bike - 1 of 4.jpeg]
>> My Hunq is slightly heavier than the Atlantis, but the raft didn't seem 
>> to mind. For several hours I drifted the river taking in the gorgeous 
>> scenery and birdsong. I'm looking forward to much more of this as the 
>> summer progresses. 
>> [image: Here By Bike - 2 of 4.jpeg]
>> [image: Here By Bike - 3 of 4.jpeg]
>> Cheers, John
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Front Derailleur Adjustment - Friction DT Shifters

[aeroperf]

“…often making minor adjustments…” kind of goes along with friction 
shifting, but if it seems excessive, check that the front derailleur cage 
is absolutely parallel to the big chain ring.  It only takes one chain jam 
to knock it askew.  Also that the outer stop of the front derailleur is 
adjusted as “in” as possible (towards the bike center) to *just* get a 
shift up to the big chain ring.

If nothing else works you can try using a 9-speed front derailleur.  It 
should have a slightly wider cage, giving you more rear gears before it 
starts to rub.  The downside is a little more shifter motion before you 
start to move the chain.

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[RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[Dave S]

https://www.rivbike.com/products/frame-roaduno

Page/Photos are up.

On Sunday, June 23, 2024 at 4:59:43 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> The Roaduno sale begins Thursday June 27th noon Pacific time. Who is 
> planning to buy one? Will you buy a frameset to build up or a complete? 
> Color preference?
>
> I'm curious as to the demand for this bike. It's not JUST a single speed 
> which I think is cool. And, cool is good in my lingo. What do you all think 
> of the stock components?
>
> Let's talk Roaduno!!
>
> Doug
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Inspired Ibisu

[Brian Turner]

This may be a stupid question, so if I'm way off, I'm hoping someone here
will enlighten me. Regarding the difference in c-c vs. c-t, wouldn't that
difference be somewhat nominal given the latitude we are used to with a lot
of Rivendell frame sizes? I mean, unless we're talking about a frame with a
sloping top tube, wouldn't that only be 1 to 1.5 cm difference for a frame
with a traditional mostly horizontal top tube? It seems to me if I could
ride both a 51cm and a 54cm Sam Hillborne by altering my cockpit setup
slightly, measuring c-t vs. c-c would not factor much into the overall
fit... but again, I could be way off base in my understanding.

Brian
Lex KY

On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 7:45 AM Ryan  wrote:

> That is a lovely frame...very clean and understated. It's too bad it
> didn't fit. Wonder what the story is...confusion about how frame size is
> measured like @Max suggests? You would think for a custom frame , given
> some objective measurements like PBH, Ibisu should be able to nail the size
> exactly rather than selecting the optimum size from a couple of production
> sizes; the subject of many posts on this forum.
>
> On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 8:05:37 PM UTC-5 Max S wrote:
>
>> Sad. Ebisu are my faves. Was this by chance a mis-understanding of a C-C
>> vs. C-T type of measurement?..
>>
>> - Max "fishy gods" in A2
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 2:50:50 PM UTC-4 John Dewey wrote:
>>
>>> Yikes, happy Mr. Imura is busy and grateful I had mine built five years
>>> ago. Dumb luck, too, I suppose as the E was delivered to me in Athens GA @
>>> wait time about five weeks. I got similarly lucky once with a JB respray,
>>> as well.
>>>
>>> So I quit while I was ahead. Altho I suppose we ought to learn ‘never
>>> say never’ right?
>>>
>>> JD
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 9:18 AM Ken Yokanovich 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Heartbreaking, yes. I was so excited for my brother when he texted that
 his new frame was supposed to arrive. We generally talk several times a
 week and seldom about much more than bikes, bike parts, bike rides, and
 bike projects. Yes, it's definitely a "First-World" problem, but I was
 really upsetting to hear him so disappointed.

 Careful measurements of several most-comfortable reference bikes
 including two different 58cm Rivendell Atlantis and a 54cm Rivendell Sam
 Hillborne were supplied.I think the difference between expectation and
 reality was a result of different philosophies in how a bike should fit.  I
 don't think it's fair to dictate to a builder "this is how you should make
 my bike."

 I had a very similar experience years ago when I ordered a custom
 Waterford touring frame.  At the time, almost every professional bike
 fitter that I worked with said I should be on a 56 or *maybe* a 58cm
 frame. When I worked with Grant on the order of my first custom, I was
 floored by the idea that he was designing a 60cm frame for me. My Waterford
 was beautiful and I tried to make it work for years before eventually
 setting up a 61cm Atlantis.

 Turn around time: it's been about 3 months since my brother shared the
 news that he had ordered the Ebisu. He's a very humble guy (one of the many
 things I love about him) and doesn't like to brag about acquisitions. So,
 I'd imagine one could pad that time a bit depending.

 On Monday, June 24, 2024 at 5:48:10 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Golly that's gorgeous and kind of heartbreaking, the thought of
> ordering a custom Ebisu and it doesn't fit.  Were mistakes made on the
> front end?  Ordering the wrong dimensions?
>
> Since it was acquired recently, what was the turnaround time?  A
> year?  Less?  More?  I ride by the shop frequently and think about getting
> a custom built...
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, June 24, 2024 at 2:56:00 PM UTC-7 Ken Yokanovich wrote:
>
>> Brand new un-ridden Ebisu all-purpose frame, fork, and custom front
>> rack $2,850
>>
>> Chain slap guard, internal wiring for dynamo, fender mounts, and
>> accommodations for wide 700c tires.
>> [image: Full Bike.jpg]
>>
>> *Size information:* Seat tube 56.5cm center-to-center, Top tube
>> 56cm, Standover height 82.5cm with a 700c x 44mm tire. 130mm rear 
>> spacing.
>>
>> The seller is my brother and avid Rivendell enthusiast / multiple
>> Rivendell bike owner.  In fact, I think that is why the bar is set so 
>> high *(pardon
>> the pun)* and the reason behind the sale.  The newly ordered frame
>> is too small, particularly compared with the fit of his other bikes. I'd 
>> be
>> all about buying instead of sharing if we weren't almost identically 
>> sized
>> :D
>>
>> More photos and details can be found in the Craigslist listing here:
>> https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/wsh/bik/d/
>> 

[RBW] Re: Rivrafting: Hunq's Maiden Voyage

[Josh C]

John, 

That is awesome. Love the bike and that you thought to take your Hunq on an 
inflatable raft, just awesome. 

On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 8:27:46 PM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:

> The Atlantis saw lots of river time aboard the Alpackaraft while I was in 
> Arizona, but now that I'm back in BC on my home river, the Slocan, I had a 
> chance today to take the Hunq for a paddle. 
> [image: Here By Bike - 4 of 4.jpeg]
> I rode up the valley along the river on the Slocan Valley Rail Trail for 
> about 20km, set up the raft in the shade of some huge cedars, and the 
> shoved off into the cool waters of the Slocan River. 
> [image: Here By Bike - 1 of 4.jpeg]
> My Hunq is slightly heavier than the Atlantis, but the raft didn't seem to 
> mind. For several hours I drifted the river taking in the gorgeous scenery 
> and birdsong. I'm looking forward to much more of this as the summer 
> progresses. 
> [image: Here By Bike - 2 of 4.jpeg]
> [image: Here By Bike - 3 of 4.jpeg]
> Cheers, John
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Inspired Ibisu

[Ryan]

That is a lovely frame...very clean and understated. It's too bad it didn't 
fit. Wonder what the story is...confusion about how frame size is measured 
like @Max suggests? You would think for a custom frame , given some 
objective measurements like PBH, Ibisu should be able to nail the size 
exactly rather than selecting the optimum size from a couple of production 
sizes; the subject of many posts on this forum. 

On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 8:05:37 PM UTC-5 Max S wrote:

> Sad. Ebisu are my faves. Was this by chance a mis-understanding of a C-C 
> vs. C-T type of measurement?.. 
>
> - Max "fishy gods" in A2
>
> On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 2:50:50 PM UTC-4 John Dewey wrote:
>
>> Yikes, happy Mr. Imura is busy and grateful I had mine built five years 
>> ago. Dumb luck, too, I suppose as the E was delivered to me in Athens GA @ 
>> wait time about five weeks. I got similarly lucky once with a JB respray, 
>> as well. 
>>
>> So I quit while I was ahead. Altho I suppose we ought to learn ‘never say 
>> never’ right?
>>
>> JD
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 9:18 AM Ken Yokanovich  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Heartbreaking, yes. I was so excited for my brother when he texted that 
>>> his new frame was supposed to arrive. We generally talk several times a 
>>> week and seldom about much more than bikes, bike parts, bike rides, and 
>>> bike projects. Yes, it's definitely a "First-World" problem, but I was 
>>> really upsetting to hear him so disappointed.
>>>
>>> Careful measurements of several most-comfortable reference bikes 
>>> including two different 58cm Rivendell Atlantis and a 54cm Rivendell Sam 
>>> Hillborne were supplied.I think the difference between expectation and 
>>> reality was a result of different philosophies in how a bike should fit.  I 
>>> don't think it's fair to dictate to a builder "this is how you should make 
>>> my bike." 
>>>
>>> I had a very similar experience years ago when I ordered a custom 
>>> Waterford touring frame.  At the time, almost every professional bike 
>>> fitter that I worked with said I should be on a 56 or *maybe* a 58cm 
>>> frame. When I worked with Grant on the order of my first custom, I was 
>>> floored by the idea that he was designing a 60cm frame for me. My Waterford 
>>> was beautiful and I tried to make it work for years before eventually 
>>> setting up a 61cm Atlantis.  
>>>
>>> Turn around time: it's been about 3 months since my brother shared the 
>>> news that he had ordered the Ebisu. He's a very humble guy (one of the many 
>>> things I love about him) and doesn't like to brag about acquisitions. So, 
>>> I'd imagine one could pad that time a bit depending.  
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 24, 2024 at 5:48:10 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Golly that's gorgeous and kind of heartbreaking, the thought of 
 ordering a custom Ebisu and it doesn't fit.  Were mistakes made on the 
 front end?  Ordering the wrong dimensions?  

 Since it was acquired recently, what was the turnaround time?  A year?  
 Less?  More?  I ride by the shop frequently and think about getting a 
 custom built...

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Monday, June 24, 2024 at 2:56:00 PM UTC-7 Ken Yokanovich wrote:

> Brand new un-ridden Ebisu all-purpose frame, fork, and custom front 
> rack $2,850 
>
> Chain slap guard, internal wiring for dynamo, fender mounts, and 
> accommodations for wide 700c tires.
> [image: Full Bike.jpg]
>
> *Size information:* Seat tube 56.5cm center-to-center, Top tube 56cm, 
> Standover height 82.5cm with a 700c x 44mm tire. 130mm rear spacing.
>
> The seller is my brother and avid Rivendell enthusiast / multiple 
> Rivendell bike owner.  In fact, I think that is why the bar is set so 
> high *(pardon 
> the pun)* and the reason behind the sale.  The newly ordered frame is 
> too small, particularly compared with the fit of his other bikes. I'd be 
> all about buying instead of sharing if we weren't almost identically 
> sized 
> :D
>
> More photos and details can be found in the Craigslist listing here:
> https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/wsh/bik/d/
> stillwater-2024-ebisu-all-purpose-frame/7759855686.html
>
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