Re: [RBW] Nine is fine! 1x9 drivetrains in 2024. Who else is doing it?

[Ben Adrian]

Not 1x9, but close.

My wife and I are lucky enough to own a vacation rental in Portugal. After 
renting a bike for every visit, I decided that it would be worth it to just 
buy a bike to keep over there. I ended up getting a killer deal on a steel 
frame cyclocross bike from 1998. It has cantis and could easily fit 38c 
tires. I did a bunch of parts swaps and ended up with a 2x9 drivetrain 
(46/30 in the front and 11-36 in the rear), barcons, noodle bars, and a few 
other things that I can't remember. 

The result is a bike that is somewhere between gravel race bike, and 
Rivendell. It feels great, everything works well, and I think I spent less 
that $500 on all the secondhand parts. It is such a fun ride that I just 
don't even think about gear or setup when on the bike. I jump on, I go, and 
I'm all smiles.

Cheers!
Ben

On Wednesday, July 24, 2024 at 8:48:46 AM UTC-7 John wrote:

> I've tried the Microshift Advent 1x9 on a modern entry level mountain bike 
> and thought it performed really well, especially for the price. The shifter 
> doesn't feel amazing and I don't love the look, but the value is hard to 
> beat. Indexing felt great and the clutch did its job on singletrack. I'd 
> definitely use it on a future build.
>
> John in Minnesota
>

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[RBW] Re: Hwy 1 Closures

[Ben Adrian]

This rings so true ;)

On Wednesday, June 5, 2024 at 7:45:01 AM UTC-7 boru...@gmail.com wrote:

anarcho- adult children 
who spent a fortune on fat tires"


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[RBW] Re: Favorite clip-in/flat pedal combo?

[Ben Adrian]

I've been using the Crank Brothers double shot pedals for a while and 
really like them. The platform is nice for me, and the clip-in side is as 
good as any other brand I've tried.

Crank Brothers are kind of like the forgotten brother of clip in pedals. I 
only tried them because my friend used to get a discount. Since then, I've 
found that I can often find great deals on barely-used pedals. I think 
people try them, but move back to SPD; probably because the rest of their 
bikes use SPD. So I've picked up Candy, Egg Beater, and Double Shot pedals 
for very  good prices. I recently got a set of Double Shot 3 pedals. I had 
only used the Double Shot 1 up until then. The 3 series fees MUCH nicer to 
me.

I will also add that the Egg Beater style of pedal has been my favorite 
version of clip-in pedals. You can clip in from any angle. Insertion and 
removal feels very smooth. Everything is rebuildable. And they are one of 
the lighter pedal systems... if you care about that.

Good luck!
Ben

On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 2:08:52 PM UTC-7 DavidP wrote:

> John,
>
> I use SPD pedals on my "pure" road bike, my most road-ish mixed surface 
> bikes get combo pedals, and everything else gets flat pedals.
> For combo SPD/flat pedals, I have the VP-R62 on one bike, which seems no 
> longer available. But I have a few pairs of the very similar Venzo dual 
> function pedals: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B084GHVVFP/
>
> They all work great, but I prefer the ones with at least a few pins on the 
> flat side. The silver VP pedals have them, but the Venzo's that are most 
> like the VPs do not - only a concern if you must have silver.
>
> -Dave
>
> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 4:42:16 PM UTC-4 Glen wrote:
>
>> Following on to this; has anyone here used the MKS ezy pedal system to 
>> easily swap between flats and clipless?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 1:41:02 PM UTC-6 John Bokman wrote:
>>
>>> Rivsters: 
>>>
>>> I've ridden many many years on Speedplay Frogs with great enjoyment.
>>> I've also ridden for years on flat pedals (MKS Sylvan Touring are my 
>>> favorite) with great enjoyment.
>>>
>>> I'm now curious about trying something I thought I'd never try: A 
>>> clipless-flat combo pedal.  Because there are times  - especially on longer 
>>> rides - when I want more foot support than my flat pedals provide. (Yes, 
>>> I've used larger flat pedals - VP Vice - and found no effective difference 
>>> to my MKS Sylvan in this regard.)
>>>
>>> So for those of you who still ride clipless, and who in fact use a combo 
>>> pedal: What's your favorite?
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Rivendells in South Korea

[Ben Adrian]

I've been watching all of these. Fantastic channel.

Ben

On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 4:31:51 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> It is very definitely permitted to post such interesting videos here; 
> thanks for doing so. I particularly enjoyed (out of the 2 I've watched) the 
> grocery shopping one. + 1 for riding a Riv to make mundane chores into 
> modest and wholly appealing adventures.
>
> Please tell us where you are from, what you do, and why you are living in 
> Seoul?
>
> Also, please tell us who makes your panniers and what the model is.
>
> I do almost all my errands and commuting by bike (not that there's a great 
> deal to do, but =/< 600 miles per year on my car for the last many years), 
> but while these rides traverse pleasant routes they're not the sort that 
> merits videotaping. If I were say in Old Town Albuquerque it might be 
> different.
>
> Others in interesting locales, please post videos of your own errand rides.
>
> Patrick Moore, who lived in Old Town Quebec and remembers Empress 
> (Victoria!) market in Karachi where flies outnumbered (the thousands of) 
> people by many orders of magnitude..
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 11:10 AM Marcus Gomersall  
> wrote:
>
>> Hello fellow Rivendell enthusiasts,
>>
>> I'm Marcus, I live in Seoul, South Korea and am probably riding one of my 
>> Rivs around. I recently started a Youtube channel and thought some people 
>> on here might be interested in seeing it. I have some bike checks of my 
>> Clem, Romulus, Atlantis and Velo Orange Polyvalent but it's mostly 
>> showcasing what cycling in Korea is like. 
>>
>> I hope it's ok to post here and hope you enjoy!  Probably Riding - 
>> YouTube 
>>
>> Thanks for all of your discussions on this group!
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report - Santa Monica to Santa Barbara Century

[Ben Adrian]

Great post, and great ride. I've done Glendale to Santa Barbara (taking 
Amtrak back). It was quite a day.

On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 9:59:01 AM UTC-8 Chris Halasz wrote:

> Keith 
>
> Did you return the same day? 
>
> There is a small contingent of Rivbike cyclists in Santa Barbara. 
>
> May have to organize a ride someday so folks can experience a Mountain 
> Drive ride. 
>
> - Chris 
>
> On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 6:42:18 AM UTC-8 SallyG wrote:
>
>> Wonderful story! Love your writing:)
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 6:04 AM ian m  wrote:
>>
>>> Lovely looking ride. Many years ago I lived in Ventura and commuted to 
>>> SB, I still regularly think about how beautiful that stretch of the 101 was.
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 1:05:50 AM UTC-5 kiziria...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Congrats! Love seeing people knocking out centuries with swept back 
 bars. Looking forward to seeing what I can do on my Platypus (almost done 
 building!). There is the LA Rivendell ride planned on the 17th, come by! 

 Armand
 Also in Santa Monica

 On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 9:30:41 PM UTC-8 Keith P. wrote:

> Part 2:
>
> 50 miles turned into 60, and 60 inched toward 70, and I knew if I got 
> to 80 I'd be too close to 100 to stop.
>
>
> It was hoot. I felt good. Tired but not exhausted. Sore, but with none 
> of the chaffing and agony I thought I might expect.
>
> More a matter of not stopping than pushing through a wall.
>
>
> [image: IMG_3390.jpg]
>
> I was also surprised by how much of the distance was covered on 
> dedicated bike paths along the way. They were numerous and well isolated 
> for long stretches, and when they were non existent, they were most often 
> connected by a frontage road.
>
> I ate some bugs. I ate some almond croissants.
>
> The coast gave way to foothills just before dropping down into Santa 
> Barbara, and just as the mini van pulled up behind me. I sent them on 
> ahead 
> to meet up with me after the last 8 miles of the ride.
>
> [image: IMG_3364.jpg]
>
> [image: IMG_3393.jpg]
>
> (That's 103 not 3)
>
> [image: IMG_3408.jpg]
>
> Here I am, proud of myself. I don't think I expected to go the full 
> distance really.
>
> Always feels good to accomplish something new.
>
>
> [image: IMG_3435.GIF]
>
> The cheering crowds were of course overwhelming.
>
>
> No flats or slow leaks on the Snoqualmie Passes.
>
> The Hillborne preformed like the absolute champ we know it to be.
>
> I have insoles in my vans, but could feel how a stiffer soled shoe 
> would help on long trips like this one.
>
>
> Overall a fantastic Southern California ride.
>
>
> Keith Paugh
>
> Los Angeles, CA
> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 9:26:56 PM UTC-8 Keith P. wrote:
>
>> 1.27.24
>>
>> Perhaps excepting an invitation to a Century ride was overly 
>> optimistic. I haven’t ridden more than 35 miles at once in recent memory 
>> - 
>> Maybe the proposition should have given me pause, but a foolhardy 
>> challenge 
>> is just what we need to feel slightly nervous about from time to time.
>>
>> The plan was to ride from our homes here in Los Angeles to Santa 
>> Barbara on a route exactly 100 miles away. A “Pier to Pier” ride, from 
>> the 
>> Santa Monica Ferris Wheel to Stearns Wharf on the other end.
>>
>> Hugging the coast, we would follow a “mostly” flat course, with about 
>> 2,900 ft of elevation gain over the entire distance. 
>>
>> Not without any climbing, but predominantly gradual climbing, of 
>> short, and rolling hills along the Pacific Coast Highway.
>>
>> It was fun to think about what food to bring for an average of 200 - 
>> 300 calories per hour of riding. 
>>
>> I tried out Tailwind, a hydration drink mix "with electrolytes and 
>> calories."
>>
>> I had two bottles, one with water, and one with Tailwind in them at 
>> any given time. I definitely think it helped to mix “drinking” calories 
>> as 
>> well as eating them.
>>
>> Laying everything out the night before my kids were impressed with 
>> the proposed undertaking. I had to manage expectations and tell them my 
>> goal was reaching half the distance.
>>
>> The group met at 4:45 in the morning so we could be on the road by 
>> 5:00. Most of my cycling friends are younger, more frequent and thus 
>> stronger riders than I am, and several announced they were now planning 
>> to 
>> not only ride the 100 miles to Santa Barbara, but now also ride 
>> back. They laid out a brisk pace with brief stops to get them to the 
>> finish 
>> with ample time for their return trip.
>>
>> [image: 

[RBW] Re: FS: Paul Minimoto Brakes $225

[Ben Adrian]

Sold!
Thanks.

Ben

On Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 9:38:57 PM UTC-8 Ben Adrian wrote:

> Paul Minimoto Silver Set. Non-polished. Two brakes. One bike's worth.
>
> These stop so well, but the setup and cable pull is just a little fiddly 
> for me.
>
> $225 shipped in the US.
>
> Thanks!
> (cutting board not included)
> https://flic.kr/p/2psqz2m
> https://flic.kr/p/2psveze
> https://flic.kr/p/2psxptT
>
> Also, looking for a the following:
> 9 speed RD that can handle a 36t rear cassette.
> Rim brake wheelset that isn't too race-oriented, but also not too 
> overbuilt, and has tubeless potential.
> Cheers!
> Ben in L.A.
>

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[RBW] FS: Paul Minimoto Brakes $225

[Ben Adrian]

Paul Minimoto Silver Set. Non-polished. Two brakes. One bike's worth.

These stop so well, but the setup and cable pull is just a little fiddly 
for me.

$225 shipped in the US.

Thanks!
(cutting board not included)
https://flic.kr/p/2psqz2m
https://flic.kr/p/2psveze
https://flic.kr/p/2psxptT

Also, looking for a the following:
9 speed RD that can handle a 36t rear cassette.
Rim brake wheelset that isn't too race-oriented, but also not too 
overbuilt, and has tubeless potential.
Cheers!
Ben in L.A.

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Re: [RBW] Advantages of triple drivetrains (VO post)

[Ben Adrian]

I had that same thought, Bill. The big ring on my triples are always the 
least used.

"Unfortunately," my brank is a 110bcd with the Bikingreen 46/30 chainring 
set... machined from one piece of aluminum.
But if a WI VBC crank pops up used, I'll make a dash for it!

--Ben

On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 12:21:33 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Ben
>
> You run a 46/30 with an 11-34 11sp cassette.  If it were me, I'd 
> experiment with a 42-tooth big ring before going to a triple.  46x11 is 
> pretty darn high for a commuter/city bike.  Anything higher than a 4:1 in 
> my book is for the sole purpose of pedaling at >>40mph.  That is a real 
> use-case in hilly areas, but not for me, and especially not for a 
> commuter/city bike.  That's just a suggestion.  The jump from 42 to 30 is 
> much less dramatic.  
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 11:25:39 AM UTC-8 bunny...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I've been kind of triple-curious again. I live in a hilly part of L.A. My 
>> commuter/city bike has an 11-34 11s with a 46/30 front. I've been finding 
>> the 46 to 30 jump to feel pretty large. It feels much more dramatic than 
>> 50-34. For instance, if I switch big to small in the from, I'll sift down 
>> at least 3 cogs on the back to totally avoid spinning out immediately. I 
>> sometimes find myself mildly cross chaining in either direction to find the 
>> right gear.
>>
>> So I've been thinking of either going 1x, or 3x. My other bike is 1x, and 
>> it's a carbon all-road/gravel thing. I like the setup for rougher terrain. 
>> Also, I just don't like the idea of having duplicate bikes. I also 
>> romanticize the bike I had about 20 years go, which had an 11-27 9 speed 
>> with 24/36/46. At the time, it felt luxurious, natural, and easy. But I 
>> didn't know then what I know now, and many times when I've set up a modern 
>> bike like this one from my past, I get quickly disillusioned and undo that 
>> change.
>>
>> I kinda feel like the headline should be "triples: still fun and useful 
>> for hands on bike nerds who like to tinker."
>>
>> Ben
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 10:44:06 AM UTC-8 captaincon...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I dissent.  Front derailers are unnecessarily complicated to setup, and 
>>> so are triple chainrings, especially on XD2s.  I have 1X 10 one two bikes, 
>>> and love it, and I just specced a 1X 11 with a Deore 5100 derailer and 
>>> 11-51 cassette for my BMC Monstercross.  The whole drivetrain cost less 
>>> than a nice triple crankset, it's all lighter too.  Check out Analog Cycles 
>>> for inspiration.
>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 11:45:17 AM UTC-6 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 For years Grant/Rivendell argued against lots of gears in the rear 
 because people didn't need to shift that much. The message was to push 
 through if its too hard or even get off and push the bike up the hill. Now 
 its shifting to a new argument...why not have those extra gears available. 
 Honestly its all marketing to me. I like the simplicity of a 1x because I 
 get the bulk of the gears I need with less maintenance. For me (personally 
 mind you) the front derailer has always been the sketchiest part of the 
 setup. Dropping chains, chain rubits all a balancing act. I am happy 
 to 
 have that all go away with a sacrifice of the granny gear. I see what VO 
 is 
 saying and I think its probably a practical opinion but for me?? 1x just 
 works.

 On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 12:33:52 PM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com 
 wrote:

> I have a triple on just one bike (Soma Saga). My main problem is that 
> when I’m in the smallest chainring I am moving so slowly that it’s hard 
> to 
> stay upright. On the very steep inclines that necessitate the small cog, 
> I 
> find it easier to just get off and walk the bike up the hill (something 
> we 
> used to call a “24-inch gear”).
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>
> On Jan 9, 2024, at 9:20 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:
>
> I've been on half-step triples for over a decade, and never looked 
> back.  
> Many 30-mi rides never see a rear shift.  
>
> 
>
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 11:00:57 AM UTC-6 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>
>> For several years all my bikes have had triples, usually 46-32-20 on 
>> XT 737 cranks. For this current trip I took off the big ring because I 
>> rarely use it when touring with Cindy, or any of my solo riding, just 
>> when 
>> riding with the guys chasing them down hills. It does look a little 
>> ridiculous, with the front der way up in the air but so far its working 
>> out 
>> just fine.
>>
>>
>> Steven Sweedler
>> Plymouth, New Hampshire
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 4:47 PM Patrick Moore  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> VO makes a good case 

Re: [RBW] Advantages of triple drivetrains (VO post)

[Ben Adrian]

I've been kind of triple-curious again. I live in a hilly part of L.A. My 
commuter/city bike has an 11-34 11s with a 46/30 front. I've been finding 
the 46 to 30 jump to feel pretty large. It feels much more dramatic than 
50-34. For instance, if I switch big to small in the from, I'll sift down 
at least 3 cogs on the back to totally avoid spinning out immediately. I 
sometimes find myself mildly cross chaining in either direction to find the 
right gear.

So I've been thinking of either going 1x, or 3x. My other bike is 1x, and 
it's a carbon all-road/gravel thing. I like the setup for rougher terrain. 
Also, I just don't like the idea of having duplicate bikes. I also 
romanticize the bike I had about 20 years go, which had an 11-27 9 speed 
with 24/36/46. At the time, it felt luxurious, natural, and easy. But I 
didn't know then what I know now, and many times when I've set up a modern 
bike like this one from my past, I get quickly disillusioned and undo that 
change.

I kinda feel like the headline should be "triples: still fun and useful for 
hands on bike nerds who like to tinker."

Ben

On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 10:44:06 AM UTC-8 captaincon...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I dissent.  Front derailers are unnecessarily complicated to setup, and so 
> are triple chainrings, especially on XD2s.  I have 1X 10 one two bikes, and 
> love it, and I just specced a 1X 11 with a Deore 5100 derailer and 11-51 
> cassette for my BMC Monstercross.  The whole drivetrain cost less than a 
> nice triple crankset, it's all lighter too.  Check out Analog Cycles for 
> inspiration.
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 11:45:17 AM UTC-6 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> For years Grant/Rivendell argued against lots of gears in the rear 
>> because people didn't need to shift that much. The message was to push 
>> through if its too hard or even get off and push the bike up the hill. Now 
>> its shifting to a new argument...why not have those extra gears available. 
>> Honestly its all marketing to me. I like the simplicity of a 1x because I 
>> get the bulk of the gears I need with less maintenance. For me (personally 
>> mind you) the front derailer has always been the sketchiest part of the 
>> setup. Dropping chains, chain rubits all a balancing act. I am happy to 
>> have that all go away with a sacrifice of the granny gear. I see what VO is 
>> saying and I think its probably a practical opinion but for me?? 1x just 
>> works.
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 12:33:52 PM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>>
>>> I have a triple on just one bike (Soma Saga). My main problem is that 
>>> when I’m in the smallest chainring I am moving so slowly that it’s hard to 
>>> stay upright. On the very steep inclines that necessitate the small cog, I 
>>> find it easier to just get off and walk the bike up the hill (something we 
>>> used to call a “24-inch gear”).
>>>
>>> --Eric Norris
>>> campyo...@me.com
>>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>>>
>>> On Jan 9, 2024, at 9:20 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:
>>>
>>> I've been on half-step triples for over a decade, and never looked 
>>> back.  
>>> Many 30-mi rides never see a rear shift.  
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 11:00:57 AM UTC-6 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>>>
 For several years all my bikes have had triples, usually 46-32-20 on XT 
 737 cranks. For this current trip I took off the big ring because I rarely 
 use it when touring with Cindy, or any of my solo riding, just when riding 
 with the guys chasing them down hills. It does look a little ridiculous, 
 with the front der way up in the air but so far its working out just fine.


 Steven Sweedler
 Plymouth, New Hampshire


 On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 4:47 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> VO makes a good case for triples:
>
>
> https://mailchi.mp/velo-orange.com/triplesaregreatchangemymind?e=9c5efe5ba1
>
> *Simplicity and Effectiveness* While 1x systems boast simplicity, the 
> emphasis on constant shifting may be overstated. Many riders find 
> themselves primarily using the middle ring, operating as a 1x system with 
> added flexibility to adapt to different terrain.
>
> The point that triples are usually used as 1Xs with low and high 
> ranges available is the key, I think. I know that, even with 10 or 11 in 
> back, I'd not want a 1X, and even a 1X + granny (ie, very wide range 
> subcompact 2X) would leave me wanting easy-shifting gears for steep 
> rolling 
> offroad terrain (which I don't ride anymore), as I found when I swapped 
> out 
> a 3X7 for a 2X9 on my erstwhile Fargo. For road use including heavy loads 
> and steep hills the 2X9 was easier to use and provided sufficient range 
> with close cruising steps, but I did miss the middle-ring range between 
> about 65" and 35" which comes with the middle ring on a 46/36/24 triple.
>
> -- 
>
> Patrick 

Re: [RBW] Dia Compe Gran Compe 610 Centerpull Brakes

[Ben Adrian]

Hey Michael!

Yea, google groups is a bit vague :)

You can PayPal $110 to my main email b...@benadrian.com 
<mailto:b...@benadrian.com> 
Or you can Venmo @benadrian

Send me you address via email as well. If you have any more questions, feel 
free to ask :)

Thanks!
Ben Adrian
Los Angeles
510-543-6407

> On Nov 1, 2023, at 6:23 PM, Michael Baquerizo  wrote:
> 
> its alwHs unclear if ive sent a message on iphone, but im intere in these so 
> please let me know what next steps are
> 
> On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 12:33:00 PM UTC-4 bunny...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Whoops. I did not realize that! Thank you.
>> 
>> 
>> On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 9:30:18 AM UTC-7 cycli...@gmail.com <> 
>> wrote:
>>> mages can only be viewed by creating a Paceline account.   May have better 
>>> luck if you post pics on this thread.
>>> 
>>> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 11:10:47 AM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com <> 
>>> wrote:
>>>> Dia Compe Gran Compe 610 centerpull brakes.
>>>> Comes with straddle cables and hangers.
>>>> Recessed nut.
>>>> 
>>>> Amazing brakes, but the spring tension was a bit high for me.
>>>> 
>>>> $110 for the set, shipped in the L48
>>>> 
>>>> Photos are easiest to find here. 
>>>> https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=300992
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> Ben Adrian
> 
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[RBW] FS: Dia Compe Gran Compe 610 Centerpull Brakes

[Ben Adrian]

Dia Compe Gran Compe 610 centerpull brakes.
Comes with straddle cables and hangers.
Recessed nut.

Amazing brakes, but the spring tension was a bit high for me.

$110 for the set, shipped in the L48

Photos are easiest to find here. 
https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=300992

Thanks!
Ben Adrian

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Re: [RBW] Are Paul brakes worth the money?

[Ben Adrian]

I've been on the lookout for a set of Paul Racer brakes for my rim brake 
bike. I tend to find that cheaper U brakes have too much spring tension and 
are not adjustable. My expectation is that Paul with be a very nicely made 
brake with much more tweakability that I'll enjoy.  I probably should just 
buy it new to support the semi-local business.

-Ben

On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 3:11:40 AM UTC-7 larson@gmail.com wrote:

> I have two bikes with Paul levers and love them. I upgraded my Black 
> Mountain Cycles monstercross with Paul Neo Retro cantis and really like 
> them and a significant improvement over the Tektros that I originally had 
> on the bike.
> Randy in WI
>
> On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 9:30:48 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:
>
>> This is really old thread but I’ll chime in. 
>>
>> I found an NOS Saluki recently with PAUL center pulls. The bike, once I 
>> applied a couple of component swaps, is beautiful. Very…uh…svelte, for want 
>> of a better word. But those PAUL brakes just did not fit…to my eye anyway. 
>> Too much industrial muscle and kind of stiff. I found some good old 
>> Weinmann centerpulls, long reach—they fit the the theme perfectly and stop 
>> surprisingly well. I sold the PAULS and put a wad of  in my pocket. YRMV, 
>> but I’m happy. 
>>
>> Jock
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 25, 2022 at 10:52 AM Bill Fulford  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I was recently gifted $500 to Rivendell. My plan was to upgrade my 2007 
>>> Atlantis with Paul brakes and levers. I placed the order only to read later 
>>> that the brakes are sold per wheel. That’s  more than I wanted to spend. So 
>>> before I call Rivendell tomorrow morning to cancel I’m wondering how folks 
>>> feel about these brakes? I would be ordering the linear pull brake with 
>>> love levers. Are they worth it? 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Style on the bike

[Ben Adrian]

I was in Portugal in May and got a pair of these capri-length 
shorts/knickers at Decathlon.
https://www.decathlon.fr/p/bermuda-de-randonnee-nh500-homme/_/R-p-332747

Now, I've always loved the "longer than shorts, shorter than pants" 
clothing. But sometimes people are less friendly to dudes who wear capris. 
Luckily, when I tried them on my wife thought that I looked super cute. So 
those short pants became the hit of the summer. They are by far my best 
short/pants for casual bike riding. They are my best non-lycra pant. I 
should have bought 4 of 'em. Next time I'm gonna stock up.

Ben

On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 2:14:23 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Awesome. Perfect fall outfit, and very reminiscent of our 90s days (like a 
> polished grunge?) - bring it back! Also love the pants, a little bit of 
> stretch is so great for riding. And your Sam is dressed in similar fashion 
> and just looks like it goes with your ‘fit. Thanks for posting; I get no 
> small amount of delight from these Bike Style posts!
> L
>
> On Oct 3, 2023, at 10:46 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
>
> I am not particularly stylish, but my cool but dry autumn day kit is 
> extremely Vancouverite: 
>
>
> - Du/er stretchy slim fit jeans
> - Patagonia flannel shirt (absolutely the best quality flannel shirt I've 
> ever touched) 
> - Vessi waterproof sneakers 
> - Arcteryx thin merino gloves (not pictured) 
>
> I neglected to wear a cap today, so style points lost there. My helmet is 
> just an old MTB hand-me-down .. I need to refresh that. 
>
> 
>
>
> As it gets colder, I'll pull out the Randi Jo over-the-ear wool cap and 
> wear the Ronnie leather gloves I recently purchased. 
>
> On Monday, 2 October 2023 at 19:18:28 UTC-7 Max S wrote:
>
>> It's like my foot changed in the last year or two... All the shoes in the 
>> sizes I used to be able to wear no longer fit, and that goes for bike 
>> shoes, formal shoes, casual shoes... Bought a pair of those VeloSambas – in 
>> BLUE SUEDE, and TWO sizes larger than I used to wear, which now somehow 
>> fits – and am about to try them out on the bike. 
>>
>> - Max "if the shoe fits, wear it" in A2 
>>
>> [image: best foot forward.jpg]
>>
>> On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 7:02:32 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Max - I love the shoes. If those didn’t work out, you’ll grace us with a 
>>> photo on the bike of their replacements, I just know it.
>>>
>>> Luke - so good. Black on black with all the accessories (“cuz men gotta 
>>> have their accessories”), looking fit and content on that Atlantis with the 
>>> rainbow top tube. Love it. 
>>> Goal: Find you a bike style photographer like Luke’s. 
>>>
>>> On Oct 2, 2023, at 12:52 AM, Luke Hendrickson  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 9:27:02 PM UTC-7 J wrote:
>>>
 That Coppi chest pocket shirt above was remade by Ostroy 
 https://ostroy.com/products/mesh-resort-shirt-with-front-buttons-pocket


 On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 9:41:19 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:

> Love that you match your bike so well.  Great style for your bike and 
> you!  You are a well-matched pair.
>
> On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 2:31:11 PM UTC-4 steve...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Okay...I'll risk the catcalls and cheap jokes - here's a glamour pic 
>> of my stylish riding kit. I say "function first & to each their own". 
>>
>> [image: IMG_1918.jpeg]
>>
>> On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 8:41:28 AM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> Johnny, fellow Gex Xer here. 80s fashion was something to behold 
>>> indeed! I must say that I do miss my black Members Only jacket and wish 
>>> I 
>>> still had it. I'll leave the denim jean jacket in the past though along 
>>> with the mullet haircut.
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 8:18:12 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 *where. Man do I hate that there is no edit functionality

 On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 8:17:31 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien 
 wrote:

> I'm firmly Gen X and we 100% were doing pegged pant legs in the 
> 80's. Hip to do with a pair of Bugle Boys. 90's fashion is OK to make 
> a 
> comeback but 80's is not. Let's leave that were it was. :)
>
> On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 5:31:15 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle 
> Ding Ding! wrote:
>
>> 
>> Gosh, Danielle, I am so sorry to hear about you being hit by a 
>> car. So, so sorry. I would have never thought about wooden shoes but 
>> wow, I 
>> can see how they would have protected your foot. Were you hit on the 
>> Cheviot? And its still in working order? 
>>
>> I was also wondering about the peg and fold because I was class 
>> of ‘99 - here I thought we had invented it but Bill’s generation had 
>> already 

[RBW] Re: FS: EVERYTHING! Lots of parts and tools

[Ben Adrian]

also PM ing

On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 11:56:12 AM UTC-7 in...@brentknepper.com wrote:

> Also sent a pm :)
>
> On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 1:52:39 PM UTC-5 Nikko in Oakland wrote:
>
>> PM coming
>>
>> On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 11:27:56 AM UTC-7 twowheeledtexan wrote:
>>
>>> I'm moving and clearing out a bunch of stuff I've been hoarding. Prices 
>>> are shipped, PP or Venmo, you pay the fees or friends and family. Discounts 
>>> for multiple things, the more you buy the better so I don't have to ship 
>>> multiple little things. If you don't like the price just make a reasonable 
>>> offer. The pics should go along with the list hopefully. I'm in NW Indiana 
>>> an hour from Chicago if you really wanted to come pick something up. I'll 
>>> also be listing a few bikes soon. Please just message or email me instead 
>>> of crowding the forum with responses.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1--2QXscjKipzaGsGAcK8fKL8KamllTMS?usp=drive_link
>>>
>>> Bike parts listed in general from top left of picture down to bottom 
>>> right. Everything is used and in good condition unless otherwise mentioned 
>>> or New In Box.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *Threaded stems:*
>>>
>>> Nitto forged Tallux I believe 25.4x110 150mm min insertion $60
>>>
>>> Nitto Technomic 26x100 150mm min insert $40
>>>
>>> Technomic 26x70x 150mm $40
>>>
>>> Technomic 26x50x 150 $40
>>>
>>> Discord Fingerling 70mm and 50mm x 31.8 $120
>>>
>>> Discord Wright 30mmx31.8 $120
>>>
>>> Velo Orange 80x31.8x 150mm $30
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *Threadless stems:*
>>>
>>> Velo Orange 25.4x100 $25
>>>
>>> VO 25.4x90 $25
>>>
>>> VO 25.4x80 $25
>>>
>>> Soma 25.4x100 $20
>>>
>>> Soma 26x100 $20
>>>
>>> IRD 26x80 $25
>>>
>>> Silver unmarked 26x100 $5 or free with any other purchase
>>>
>>> Nitto UI85EX 26x60 $80
>>>
>>> Dimension 31.8x100 $5 or free with any other purchase
>>>
>>> FSA 31.8x90 $10
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *Brake levers:*
>>>
>>> Shimano BL-R550 2 sets black and 3 sets silver $30 a set
>>>
>>> Sunrace no markings on them but I believe they’re the V brake model that 
>>> Riv used to sell $30
>>>
>>> Shimano BL-R780 black V brake NIB $30
>>>
>>> Dia Compe short pull $10
>>>
>>> TRP RRL Black $60
>>>
>>> TRP RRL Gum $80
>>>
>>> Gevenalle GX 10 spd Shimano mtn short/long pull compatible $120
>>>
>>> Gevenalle/Retroshift 9spd Shimano short pull $110
>>>
>>> Cane Creek v brake $20
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *Brakes:*
>>>
>>> Paul Comp Motolites 3 sets $180 a pair. One set does not have a barrel 
>>> adjuster on the noodle, I’ll take $150 for that set.
>>>
>>> Avid, vintage I think? $80 
>>>
>>> Paul Racer $180
>>>
>>> Avid shorty ultimates $50
>>>
>>> Paul touring canti $140
>>>
>>> Avid BB7 road 2 sets $20 each
>>>
>>> Tektro R539 med reach $50
>>>
>>> Tektro R559 long reach $50
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *Brake pads:* All sets $5 each or free with another purchase
>>>
>>> Hayes MX-5 
>>>
>>> Sram Elixir
>>>
>>> Shimano JO2A
>>>
>>> Avid BB7
>>>
>>> Shimano inserts
>>>
>>> Kool Stop pads from Riv
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *Shifters:*
>>>
>>> Silver Thumbies and mounts $100 NIB
>>>
>>> Silver downtube $40
>>>
>>> Shimano 9 spd $20
>>>
>>> Ene Ciclo/Dia Compe 11spd downtube set $60
>>>
>>> Paul thumbies mounts 2 sets 22.2 $60 set
>>>
>>> Suntour  vintage thumbies $20
>>>
>>> Shimano bar end pods 2 sets, one set without washers but I’ll give you 
>>> the dt washers shown next to them and you can file off the tabs if you 
>>> want. $20
>>>
>>> Microshift 9spd on mounts $30
>>>
>>> Shimano SL-M780 3x10, 2 sets, one has indicators $40
>>>
>>> Free with any purchase DT boss covers and DT barrel adjusters
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *Derailleurs:*
>>>
>>> Deore RD-M591 9 spd silver $30
>>>
>>> Deore RD-M591 9 spd black $30
>>>
>>> Deore RD-T610 10spd $30
>>>
>>> XT RD-M786 10 spd w/clutch $40
>>>
>>> XT RD-M772 10 spd $40
>>>
>>> Microshift Advent X w/clutch $50
>>>
>>> Deore FD-T610 $20
>>>
>>> CX-70 Direct mount on clamp $20
>>>
>>> CX-70 Clamp $20
>>>
>>> Claris FD-2400 clamp $20
>>>
>>> IRD Alpina-F triple, direct mount on clamp $30
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *Handlebars:*
>>>
>>> VO crazy bars $80
>>>
>>> VO Klunker $50
>>>
>>> Bosco heat treated aluminum 2 sets 1 new 25.4x58 $100, $80 used
>>>
>>> Losco HTA 25.4x54 $80
>>>
>>> Billie bar HTA 2 sets 25.4x58 $80
>>>
>>> Albatross steel 2 sets 25.4x 55 $60
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Crust towel rack 660x26 $100
>>>
>>> Crust towel rack 600x26 $100
>>>
>>> Nitto M-137 dirt drop 31.8x52 $80
>>>
>>> Soma portola 26x56 $30
>>>
>>> Nitto noodles M177 46x26 $40
>>>
>>> Spank flare 52x31.8 $100
>>>
>>> Jones bars 2 sets $50
>>>
>>> Vintage bullmoose bars 700mm across $40
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *Seatposts:*
>>>
>>> Whiskey No. 7 carbon 31.6x400 $40
>>>
>>> Ritchey comp 27.2x400 $20
>>>
>>> Kalloy uno 26.8x350 $10
>>>
>>> Nitto dynamic 27.2x300 $60
>>>
>>> Silver unmarked prob Kalloy 27.2x250 $10 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *Racks:*
>>>
>>> Nitto M-18 2 sets $80
>>>
>>> Nitto Mark’s rack w/long stays $100
>>>
>>> Nitto M-12 2 sets brake post mount $80
>>>
>>> Nitto like RBW 51 $100

Re: [RBW] Re: Los Angeles Riv Ride

[Ben Adrian]

Super fun!
A good pile of Rivs. A number of other cool bikes. Even two e-bikes.
Great conversation, everyone was super positive. Total type 1 fun.

See you all at the next one!

Ben

On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 9:28:47 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:

> Great photos! I’ll definitely be at the next one. 
>
> On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 7:08:04 PM UTC-7 mma...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> It was really nice meeting everyone today. Thanks for putting this 
>> together, Houston! -Matt
>>
>> [image: 52930629896_37f8dac6c8_k.jpg]
>> [image: 52931014820_aa47186b7d_k.jpg]
>> [image: 52931069163_9fa788d6e4_k.jpg]
>> On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 8:27:54 AM UTC-7 chris@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Same here, see you all in a bit. 
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On May 27, 2023, at 8:23 AM, Bryce Dwyer  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi all — on my way but will likely arrive right at 9:00
>>> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 9:56:23 AM UTC-7 Houston Wilson wrote:
>>>
 Hi everyone,

 I'm looking forward to seeing y'all this Saturday at Griffith for our 
 LA Riv meet-up! All riders are welcome, Riv bike owners or not. 
 Originally, 
 the meet-up was for 8 AM, but I want to push it back an hour to start in 
 some warmer weather. If anyone isn't cool with this, we can always go back 
 to the og time, just LMK.

 *As a reminder, here are the details:*

 When: 9 AM 
 Where: Franklin's Cafe across from the Greek at 2650 N Vermont Ave, 
 Los Angeles, CA 90027
 Route: Loop around Vista del Valle to the Observatory around 10 mi with 
 1k ft. of climbing

 Optional Extras: If people want, we can throw in a pie stop at House of 
 Pies after the Observatory &/or add on the Hollywood Sign climb for folks 
 who want to do some more climbing!

 -Houston

 On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 3:55:01 PM UTC-7 dwyer...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm planning on attending as well. Also thinking about the "single 
> scoop" for the LA Invitational. 
>
> On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 2:04 PM David Person  
> wrote:
>
>> I've marked my calendar.
>>
>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 8:32:49 AM UTC-7 Houston Wilson wrote:
>>
>>> [image: RBWLAMeetup.jpg]
>>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 7:56:40 AM UTC-7 Houston Wilson wrote:
>>>
 Hi y'all,

 Thank you for all of your feedback/responses! It's looking like May 
 27th has the highest level of availability! We can always adjust 
 specifics 
 closer to the date, but for now let's keep the morning/afternoon of 
 the 
 27th open. As a tentative plan, let's meet at Franklin's Cafe across 
 from 
 the Greek at 8 am. 

 Isaac and Matt, I'm gonna try to make it out to the Cub House that 
 weekend...it looks so sick! 

 So excited to meet everyone! 

 -Houston

 On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 7:48:04 AM UTC-7 mma...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Valley head checking in; I can't commit to any May dates but 
> wanted rep the set.
>
> For awareness, Isaac is talking about the 2023 Los Angeles 
> Invitational (Everyone's invited) 5/20 - 5/21 
> . John Prolly's write 
> 2022 write-up: A Weekend at The Cub House’s 2022 LA Invitational 
> 
> I signed up for the 55 mile ride on Saturday and reserved a spot 
> at the swap. It's a great event and everyone is super nice. The swap 
> is 
> really good too because sellers usually have interesting or high end 
> items.
> -Matt
>
> [image: losangelesinvitational.jpg]
> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 9:14:29 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart 
> wrote:
>
>> @isaac -- The Cub House events are right around the corner from 
>> meexcellent bike shop. And their community events are a blast. 
>> Definitely a great opportunity for a Pasadena ride especially since 
>> there 
>> are a ton of good coffee shops in the area.
>>
>> @bryce -- Yep, that was orange Sam at Palomares Adobe. What a 
>> great location. My daughter and I were attending the 626 event and 
>> happened 
>> upon the grounds. Will definitely go back there with the rest of the 
>> family 
>> in the future. BTW, your Atlantis looks dialed in. Really love the 
>> handlebar setup, and will probably go that route once the Roaduno 
>> frames 
>> come out.
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 2:03:38 PM UTC-7 
>> cycli...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Griffith Park would be doable for me 20th or 27th. 
>>>
>>> David 
>>> 

Re: [RBW] Re: Los Angeles Riv Ride

[Ben Adrian]

Those bags look super cool. I look forward to checking them out on a future 
ride.

Ben

On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 5:26:05 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:

> [image: IMG_0338.jpeg][image: IMG_0337.jpeg][image: IMG_0336.jpeg]
>
> Ugh….super bummed I can’t make it! Sorry all. Something came up. 
>
> Off topic, but I dabble with sewing and have a few prototype bags that I 
> was gonna give away. Not really interested in shipping….just figured I’d 
> pass them on to the next person. Maybe we can get another ride scheduled 
> soon. 
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 9:56:23 AM UTC-7 Houston Wilson wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I'm looking forward to seeing y'all this Saturday at Griffith for our LA 
>> Riv meet-up! All riders are welcome, Riv bike owners or not. Originally, 
>> the meet-up was for 8 AM, but I want to push it back an hour to start in 
>> some warmer weather. If anyone isn't cool with this, we can always go back 
>> to the og time, just LMK.
>>
>> *As a reminder, here are the details:*
>>
>> When: 9 AM 
>> Where: Franklin's Cafe across from the Greek at 2650 N Vermont Ave, Los 
>> Angeles, CA 90027
>> Route: Loop around Vista del Valle to the Observatory around 10 mi with 
>> 1k ft. of climbing
>>
>> Optional Extras: If people want, we can throw in a pie stop at House of 
>> Pies after the Observatory &/or add on the Hollywood Sign climb for folks 
>> who want to do some more climbing!
>>
>> -Houston
>>
>> On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 3:55:01 PM UTC-7 dwyer...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I'm planning on attending as well. Also thinking about the "single 
>>> scoop" for the LA Invitational. 
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 2:04 PM David Person  wrote:
>>>
 I've marked my calendar.

 On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 8:32:49 AM UTC-7 Houston Wilson wrote:

> [image: RBWLAMeetup.jpg]
> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 7:56:40 AM UTC-7 Houston Wilson wrote:
>
>> Hi y'all,
>>
>> Thank you for all of your feedback/responses! It's looking like May 
>> 27th has the highest level of availability! We can always adjust 
>> specifics 
>> closer to the date, but for now let's keep the morning/afternoon of the 
>> 27th open. As a tentative plan, let's meet at Franklin's Cafe across 
>> from 
>> the Greek at 8 am. 
>>
>> Isaac and Matt, I'm gonna try to make it out to the Cub House that 
>> weekend...it looks so sick! 
>>
>> So excited to meet everyone! 
>>
>> -Houston
>>
>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 7:48:04 AM UTC-7 mma...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Valley head checking in; I can't commit to any May dates but wanted 
>>> rep the set.
>>>
>>> For awareness, Isaac is talking about the 2023 Los Angeles 
>>> Invitational (Everyone's invited) 5/20 - 5/21 
>>> . John Prolly's write 2022 
>>> write-up: A Weekend at The Cub House’s 2022 LA Invitational 
>>> 
>>> I signed up for the 55 mile ride on Saturday and reserved a spot at 
>>> the swap. It's a great event and everyone is super nice. The swap is 
>>> really 
>>> good too because sellers usually have interesting or high end items.
>>> -Matt
>>>
>>> [image: losangelesinvitational.jpg]
>>> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 9:14:29 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>>>
 @isaac -- The Cub House events are right around the corner from 
 meexcellent bike shop. And their community events are a blast. 
 Definitely a great opportunity for a Pasadena ride especially since 
 there 
 are a ton of good coffee shops in the area.

 @bryce -- Yep, that was orange Sam at Palomares Adobe. What a great 
 location. My daughter and I were attending the 626 event and happened 
 upon 
 the grounds. Will definitely go back there with the rest of the family 
 in 
 the future. BTW, your Atlantis looks dialed in. Really love the 
 handlebar 
 setup, and will probably go that route once the Roaduno frames come 
 out.

 On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 2:03:38 PM UTC-7 cycli...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Griffith Park would be doable for me 20th or 27th. 
>
> David 
> Black & Tan Sam
> Thousand Oaks
>
> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 11:54:53 AM UTC-7 
> dwyer...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi all –– Atlantis rider in the Pomona Valley here. I could 
>> likely make the 20th or the 27th, with a preference for the 27th.
>>
>> Tony: I think that was my Atlantis you saw! I'd guess that was 
>> your parked orange Riv at the Palomares Adobe that I saw too. What a 
>> coincidence!
>>
>> The Mt. Hollywood route is definitely a climb but it has some 

Re: [RBW] Re: Los Angeles Riv Ride

[Ben Adrian]

Looking forward to it, though I am Riv-less at the moment. The Riv-minded, 
party pace ride :)

Ben

On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 3:27:46 PM UTC-7 dwyer...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm planning to join! 
>
> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 3:18:23 PM UTC-7 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately, I'll have to pass.  More climbing than I'm in shape for at 
>> this time.
>>
>> David/Thousand Oaks/2015 Hillborne
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 12:14:15 PM UTC-7 Brian Cunningham wrote:
>>
>>> Great! Looking for to it. Looks like a perfect 71 degree day is in store 
>>> for us. The 9am start seems like a good balance. Early enough but not too 
>>> early. Admittedly the starting point is only a 30 min ride from my place.
>>>
>>> Brian/Glendale/2015 Hillborne
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 9:56:23 AM UTC-7 Houston Wilson wrote:
>>>
 Hi everyone,

 I'm looking forward to seeing y'all this Saturday at Griffith for our 
 LA Riv meet-up! All riders are welcome, Riv bike owners or not. 
 Originally, 
 the meet-up was for 8 AM, but I want to push it back an hour to start in 
 some warmer weather. If anyone isn't cool with this, we can always go back 
 to the og time, just LMK.

 *As a reminder, here are the details:*

 When: 9 AM 
 Where: Franklin's Cafe across from the Greek at 2650 N Vermont Ave, 
 Los Angeles, CA 90027
 Route: Loop around Vista del Valle to the Observatory around 10 mi with 
 1k ft. of climbing

 Optional Extras: If people want, we can throw in a pie stop at House of 
 Pies after the Observatory &/or add on the Hollywood Sign climb for folks 
 who want to do some more climbing!

 -Houston

 On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 3:55:01 PM UTC-7 dwyer...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm planning on attending as well. Also thinking about the "single 
> scoop" for the LA Invitational. 
>
> On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 2:04 PM David Person  
> wrote:
>
>> I've marked my calendar.
>>
>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 8:32:49 AM UTC-7 Houston Wilson wrote:
>>
>>> [image: RBWLAMeetup.jpg]
>>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 7:56:40 AM UTC-7 Houston Wilson wrote:
>>>
 Hi y'all,

 Thank you for all of your feedback/responses! It's looking like May 
 27th has the highest level of availability! We can always adjust 
 specifics 
 closer to the date, but for now let's keep the morning/afternoon of 
 the 
 27th open. As a tentative plan, let's meet at Franklin's Cafe across 
 from 
 the Greek at 8 am. 

 Isaac and Matt, I'm gonna try to make it out to the Cub House that 
 weekend...it looks so sick! 

 So excited to meet everyone! 

 -Houston

 On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 7:48:04 AM UTC-7 mma...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Valley head checking in; I can't commit to any May dates but 
> wanted rep the set.
>
> For awareness, Isaac is talking about the 2023 Los Angeles 
> Invitational (Everyone's invited) 5/20 - 5/21 
> . John Prolly's write 
> 2022 write-up: A Weekend at The Cub House’s 2022 LA Invitational 
> 
> I signed up for the 55 mile ride on Saturday and reserved a spot 
> at the swap. It's a great event and everyone is super nice. The swap 
> is 
> really good too because sellers usually have interesting or high end 
> items.
> -Matt
>
> [image: losangelesinvitational.jpg]
> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 9:14:29 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart 
> wrote:
>
>> @isaac -- The Cub House events are right around the corner from 
>> meexcellent bike shop. And their community events are a blast. 
>> Definitely a great opportunity for a Pasadena ride especially since 
>> there 
>> are a ton of good coffee shops in the area.
>>
>> @bryce -- Yep, that was orange Sam at Palomares Adobe. What a 
>> great location. My daughter and I were attending the 626 event and 
>> happened 
>> upon the grounds. Will definitely go back there with the rest of the 
>> family 
>> in the future. BTW, your Atlantis looks dialed in. Really love the 
>> handlebar setup, and will probably go that route once the Roaduno 
>> frames 
>> come out.
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 2:03:38 PM UTC-7 
>> cycli...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Griffith Park would be doable for me 20th or 27th. 
>>>
>>> David 
>>> Black & Tan Sam
>>> Thousand Oaks
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 11:54:53 AM UTC-7 

[RBW] Re: Los Angeles Riv Ride

[Ben Adrian]

Hey all!
I will be out of the country for about two weeks in MAY, but would love to 
join if I am in town. By no means should the scheduling be done around my 
availability.

Cheers!
Ben

On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 10:34:17 AM UTC-7 Keith P. wrote:

> I remember Ben/bunnyadrian planning a local ride last year.
> Has he seen this yet?
>
> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 10:17:19 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 4:40:12 PM UTC-5 Houston Wilson wrote:
>>
>> Depending on where most folks are located, I think it could be cool to do 
>> the Will Rogers inspiration loop in the Western Santa Monica's or a 
>> Griffith Park/Hollywood Sign moment. Regardless, it'd be a chill pace with 
>> a cafe stop or two thrown in. 
>>
>> I don't think I'm going to make it out that way in May. In fact, my LA 
>> daughter is planning to come here for a week. I'll watch the thread with 
>> interest, though. As for the route ... I can't imagine Griffith 
>> Park/Hollywood Sign being a very "chill" ride - that's a lot of climbing! 
>> But it's beautiful and fun.
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee, WI (and occasionally Alhambra, CA) 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivet Imogene Saddle

[Ben Adrian]

Photos here. Thanks!
Ben
https://www.flickr.com/photos/benadrian/albums/72157716325502908

On Thursday, April 20, 2023 at 10:47:35 AM UTC-7 Ben Adrian wrote:

> Rivet Imogene - Chestnut? CroMo rail. Shows some "patina". Also, there is 
> some discoloration from my denim pants. I want to love this saddle, but no 
> matter how hard I try I just don't get along with leather saddles. - $125 
> shipped
>
> Photos in this thread.
> https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=291675
>
> More info here:
> https://rivetcycleworks.com/product/the-imogene/
>
> Please email directly as I get the digest version of the group.
>
> Cheers!
> Ben
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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivet Imogene Saddle

[Ben Adrian]

I've been informed that a Paceline account is needed to view photos on that 
site. Whoops. I'm attaching the photos here. 
Thanks!
Ben

On Thursday, April 20, 2023 at 10:47:35 AM UTC-7 Ben Adrian wrote:

> Rivet Imogene - Chestnut? CroMo rail. Shows some "patina". Also, there is 
> some discoloration from my denim pants. I want to love this saddle, but no 
> matter how hard I try I just don't get along with leather saddles. - $125 
> shipped
>
> Photos in this thread.
> https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=291675
>
> More info here:
> https://rivetcycleworks.com/product/the-imogene/
>
> Please email directly as I get the digest version of the group.
>
> Cheers!
> Ben
>

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[RBW] FS: Rivet Imogene Saddle

[Ben Adrian]

Rivet Imogene - Chestnut? CroMo rail. Shows some "patina". Also, there is 
some discoloration from my denim pants. I want to love this saddle, but no 
matter how hard I try I just don't get along with leather saddles. - $125 
shipped

Photos in this thread.
https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=291675

More info here:
https://rivetcycleworks.com/product/the-imogene/

Please email directly as I get the digest version of the group.

Cheers!
Ben

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[RBW] Re: Question - when did derailleurs become "mechs"?

[Ben Adrian]

Yeah, I first heard it when I began watching GCN videos. It seems like the 
U.K. produces the mosts cycling media, with a huge uptick on Youtube from 
U.K. sources in teh last 5 years or so. that would be my guess.

Cheers!
Ben

On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 4:20:39 PM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:

> The late, great Sheldon Brown on the same subject in one of his threads 
> referred to rear deraillers as "jumpers," which he said was the 
> African-American term for that component.  In similar manner, he called 
> cassettes "kah-septs" which he attributed to the French for some reason.  
> Hmmm...seems to be a bit of similarity here, but then there is what the 
> early mountain biking crews referred to a chain that had over shifted the 
> front derailler as "chain suck."  Go figure.
>
> On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 1:36:50 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>
>> In 54 years of working on bicycles with derailleurs, I had never used or 
>> heard them referred to as "mechs" until the last year or so. Where did this 
>> come from? Does it only refer to non-electronic derailleurs?
>>
>> Laing
>> Old guy in Delray Beach FL
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rambouillet 58cm Orange

[Ben Adrian]

Hey Everyone! 
This is still for sale. I've had some serious lookers, but no takers.
$1,500 plus shipping?
I need a new computer ;)

Cheers!
Ben

On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 1:28:45 PM UTC-8 alan lavine wrote:

> Good to know, thanks!
>
> On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 11:59:44 AM UTC-5 bunny...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> It wasn't possible to do get the bars on the stem with the stem on the 
>> bike. Like an impossible puzzle. However, with both the stem and bars off 
>> of the bike I was able to gently rotate the stem as I was feeding it onto 
>> the handlebars. There was always one rotational point where the stem would 
>> move on the bars with no forcing. Cheers!
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Ben
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 5:25:25 AM UTC-8 alan lavine wrote:
>>
>>> Very nice bike, wish I could get it.
>>> A question about the build: How did you get the Soma Highway One bars 
>>> thru a Nitto quill stem? I was under the impression these bars required an 
>>> open face stem due to the abrupt curves.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Alan in NYC
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 5:35:04 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sorry the Rambouillet didn't fit you well, despite Grant's input on 
>>>> sizing. It was increasingly under square (top tube shorter than seat tube) 
>>>> up through the sizes. Your 58 has a 57cm TT, my 62's is 59cm. I think 
>>>> Grant 
>>>> was trying to incorporate into frame spec what is often "fit" with seat 
>>>> post setback, stem length, handlebar reach, etc. without excluding sizes 
>>>> and shapes of riders. 
>>>>
>>>> I'm the opposite of your phenotype, too long of leg/short of torso for 
>>>> my height and the Rambouillet fit me like a glove and deflected the need 
>>>> for a custom for 20 years. 
>>>>
>>>> Someone's in for a blast from the past sorry it had to come from this 
>>>> bike's envelope just being outside your perfect fit margins. Sometimes 
>>>> wider accessibility comes at a cost and trying to fit all who come isn't 
>>>> at 
>>>> the cost of ride quality. I know it was for me when looking around for my 
>>>> Rambouillet, all that sloped TT "fastback" foolishness was the meme. 
>>>> Brands 
>>>> made 3-4 sizes in a model and LBS would bodge fit with stem and post 
>>>> choices.
>>>>
>>>> Andy Cheatham
>>>> Pittsburgh
>>>> On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 5:37:30 PM UTC-5 bunny...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Early 2000's Rivendell Rambouillet 58cm frame (Grant from Rivendell 
>>>>> swears this is my size, but I'm a corgi with a long torso and short legs 
>>>>>  
>>>>> ), Orange and Cream finish, lots of small paint dings, some touch-up 
>>>>> paint 
>>>>> from a previous owner, small top tube dent. Everything works great and it 
>>>>> still looks stunning, but it was once somebody's daily driver and shows 
>>>>> appropriate wear. 
>>>>>
>>>>> The Rundown: 
>>>>>
>>>>>- 58cm Rivendell Rambouillet Frame/Fork
>>>>>- Mavic Open Pro Rims on Ultegra 6500 Hubs (32h) (12-26 cassette)
>>>>>- Ultegra 6500 Deraillures with 3x8 Bar End Shifters
>>>>>- Sugino XD Triple Crank 48-38-26
>>>>>- Panaracer Pasela 35c folding bead tires with maybe 50-60 miles.
>>>>>- TRP RRL Brake Levers
>>>>>- Soma Highway One bars (42cm)*BUT I also have some Nitto 
>>>>>Noodle bars in 42cm. take your pick!*
>>>>>- Nitto Cold forged 7cm stem (Tallux? It's pretty tall)   *BUT I 
>>>>>also have the same model in 10-11cm. take your pick!*
>>>>>    - I'll also toss in an 8 speed 11-32 cassette and derailleur 
>>>>>hanger extender. I ran that for a while and while shifting was not 
>>>>> quite as 
>>>>>awesome, having a 26 x 32 gear was nice.
>>>>>- Oh, there is also a set of beat up SKS fenders that I will 
>>>>>include.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> $1,600. + actual shipping cost. I'd, of course, prefer a local sale, 
>>>>> but I can ship to a loving home.
>>>>>
>>>>> Photos: 
>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/benadrian/albums/72177720305079680
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>> Why am I selling? I'd want to know as a buyer.
>>>>> The size is a little big for me. It has never felt quite right. The 
>>>>> ride is great. It glides over the road beautifully. Still ,I never was 
>>>>> able 
>>>>> to make myself comfortable. I just want to try other things.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>> Ben Adrian
>>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] FS: Silver Shifter set

[Ben Adrian]

Original Silver Shifters set.
$50. I'll cover shipping.

I'm selling some other stuff too, none of it to Riv-y, but feel free to 
have a look.
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/bop/d/dodgertown-seatposts-saddles-cranks/7581168817.html

Cheers!
Ben

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rambouillet 58cm Orange

[Ben Adrian]

It wasn't possible to do get the bars on the stem with the stem on the 
bike. Like an impossible puzzle. However, with both the stem and bars off 
of the bike I was able to gently rotate the stem as I was feeding it onto 
the handlebars. There was always one rotational point where the stem would 
move on the bars with no forcing. Cheers!

Cheers!
Ben


On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 5:25:25 AM UTC-8 alan lavine wrote:

> Very nice bike, wish I could get it.
> A question about the build: How did you get the Soma Highway One bars thru 
> a Nitto quill stem? I was under the impression these bars required an open 
> face stem due to the abrupt curves.
> Thanks,
> Alan in NYC
>
> On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 5:35:04 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> Sorry the Rambouillet didn't fit you well, despite Grant's input on 
>> sizing. It was increasingly under square (top tube shorter than seat tube) 
>> up through the sizes. Your 58 has a 57cm TT, my 62's is 59cm. I think Grant 
>> was trying to incorporate into frame spec what is often "fit" with seat 
>> post setback, stem length, handlebar reach, etc. without excluding sizes 
>> and shapes of riders. 
>>
>> I'm the opposite of your phenotype, too long of leg/short of torso for my 
>> height and the Rambouillet fit me like a glove and deflected the need for a 
>> custom for 20 years. 
>>
>> Someone's in for a blast from the past sorry it had to come from this 
>> bike's envelope just being outside your perfect fit margins. Sometimes 
>> wider accessibility comes at a cost and trying to fit all who come isn't at 
>> the cost of ride quality. I know it was for me when looking around for my 
>> Rambouillet, all that sloped TT "fastback" foolishness was the meme. Brands 
>> made 3-4 sizes in a model and LBS would bodge fit with stem and post 
>> choices.
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>> On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 5:37:30 PM UTC-5 bunny...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Early 2000's Rivendell Rambouillet 58cm frame (Grant from Rivendell 
>>> swears this is my size, but I'm a corgi with a long torso and short legs  
>>> ), Orange and Cream finish, lots of small paint dings, some touch-up paint 
>>> from a previous owner, small top tube dent. Everything works great and it 
>>> still looks stunning, but it was once somebody's daily driver and shows 
>>> appropriate wear. 
>>>
>>> The Rundown: 
>>>
>>>- 58cm Rivendell Rambouillet Frame/Fork
>>>- Mavic Open Pro Rims on Ultegra 6500 Hubs (32h) (12-26 cassette)
>>>- Ultegra 6500 Deraillures with 3x8 Bar End Shifters
>>>- Sugino XD Triple Crank 48-38-26
>>>- Panaracer Pasela 35c folding bead tires with maybe 50-60 miles.
>>>- TRP RRL Brake Levers
>>>- Soma Highway One bars (42cm)*BUT I also have some Nitto Noodle 
>>>bars in 42cm. take your pick!*
>>>- Nitto Cold forged 7cm stem (Tallux? It's pretty tall)   *BUT I 
>>>also have the same model in 10-11cm. take your pick!*
>>>- I'll also toss in an 8 speed 11-32 cassette and derailleur hanger 
>>>extender. I ran that for a while and while shifting was not quite as 
>>>awesome, having a 26 x 32 gear was nice.
>>>- Oh, there is also a set of beat up SKS fenders that I will include.
>>>
>>>
>>> $1,600. + actual shipping cost. I'd, of course, prefer a local sale, but 
>>> I can ship to a loving home.
>>>
>>> Photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/benadrian/albums/72177720305079680
>>>
>>>  
>>> Why am I selling? I'd want to know as a buyer.
>>> The size is a little big for me. It has never felt quite right. The ride 
>>> is great. It glides over the road beautifully. Still ,I never was able to 
>>> make myself comfortable. I just want to try other things.
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>> Ben Adrian
>>>
>>

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[RBW] FS: Rambouillet 58cm Orange

[Ben Adrian]

Early 2000's Rivendell Rambouillet 58cm frame (Grant from Rivendell swears 
this is my size, but I'm a corgi with a long torso and short legs  ), 
Orange and Cream finish, lots of small paint dings, some touch-up paint 
from a previous owner, small top tube dent. Everything works great and it 
still looks stunning, but it was once somebody's daily driver and shows 
appropriate wear. 

The Rundown: 

   - 58cm Rivendell Rambouillet Frame/Fork
   - Mavic Open Pro Rims on Ultegra 6500 Hubs (32h) (12-26 cassette)
   - Ultegra 6500 Deraillures with 3x8 Bar End Shifters
   - Sugino XD Triple Crank 48-38-26
   - Panaracer Pasela 35c folding bead tires with maybe 50-60 miles.
   - TRP RRL Brake Levers
   - Soma Highway One bars (42cm)*BUT I also have some Nitto Noodle 
   bars in 42cm. take your pick!*
   - Nitto Cold forged 7cm stem (Tallux? It's pretty tall)   *BUT I also 
   have the same model in 10-11cm. take your pick!*
   - I'll also toss in an 8 speed 11-32 cassette and derailleur hanger 
   extender. I ran that for a while and while shifting was not quite as 
   awesome, having a 26 x 32 gear was nice.
   - Oh, there is also a set of beat up SKS fenders that I will include.


$1,600. + actual shipping cost. I'd, of course, prefer a local sale, but I 
can ship to a loving home.

Photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/benadrian/albums/72177720305079680

 
Why am I selling? I'd want to know as a buyer.
The size is a little big for me. It has never felt quite right. The ride is 
great. It glides over the road beautifully. Still ,I never was able to make 
myself comfortable. I just want to try other things.

Cheers!
Ben Adrian

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[RBW] Re: Derailleur precision and wear characteristics for 11+ speed systems

[Ben Adrian]

Campy Ekar is machanical only and has 13 speeds. I've heard nothing but 
good reviews (also, how high price comments). My guess is that they just 
have a lot of cable pull and the derailleur is a lower ratio than other 
mechanicals.

There's also the Ratio Technology retro-fit kit that turns SRAM 10 or 11 
speed mechanical into a 12 speed with their SRAM MTB mechanical standard, 
so one can run road shifters up front and mechanical 12speed MTB in the 
back. I've also heard good things about this.

I think the problems mainly come when people try to make a 1.7:1 ratio 
derailleur (like Shimano 7-8-9 speeds) work on higher numbers of cogs. 

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 9:12:00 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Ted's remark raises an interesting question. I for one didn't think that 
> so very closely spaced cogs might require fine tolerances that exceed the 
> everyday capabilities of shift-by-cable systems, what with friction 
> changing with wear and dirt.
>
> So, question: Is it generally true that above 10 speeds or perhaps 11 
> cable systems don't work very well, or at least, shifting quality degrades 
> quickly compared to systems with fewer cogs and wider tolerances?
>
> I recall using a Cyclo Benelux pullchain rd* to shift 2 cogs hacked onto a 
> SA AW driver; to take an extreme case, I can't imagine that rd indexing 4 
> cogs let alone 12. It did index 2: all t'way for'ard and all t'way 
> backward. (Kidding.)
>
> So, again, to sum up: do 12 and 13 speed systems require and lock you in 
> to electric shifting?
>
> That is a question, not an implicit value judgment.
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2022 at 11:14 AM Ted Durant  wrote:
>
>> ... 
>>
> Exactly! It's not like I used a super-accurate digital measuring device to 
>> come up with the numbers. When you're talking .1 mm, you can understand why 
>> it's hard to make a cable-shifting indexed system work reliably on tightly 
>> packed gears. I was able to confirm on the road my spreadsheet prediction 
>> that a Shimano 9-speed lever can work with a SunTour rear derailer and a 
>> Shimano 8-speed cassette.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] SunTour Rachet Bar Ends shifting a Modern RD - Need to Trim??

[Ben Adrian]

I have a nutty setup at the moment:
Silver 1 shifters
R7000 105 rear derailleur (yes, this is modern 11 speed which has a lower 
cable pull ratio)
11-32 8 speed cassette
9 speed chain

In general, it works really well. I have has some issues "finding" the 
larger cogs. When shifting from small to the 6th or 7th cogs, it sometimes 
either doesn't go enough, or goes too much. I make up for it by 
intentionally shifting too far and then trimming it back down. A bit 
tiresome, but I'm okay with it for the simplicity of the setup.

Also, since this RD has a 1.4 cable pull ratio rathe than a 1.7 of the 9 
speed and earlier RDs, it sould have finer movement. I believe that I have 
experienced this. The R7000 is definitely more forgiving than the RD-6500 
that I had on previously. Thought if I want to go back to my indezed 
shifters, I know this RD won't work.

Cheers!
Ben

On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 9:36:23 AM UTC-8 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:

> While were on the subject. I have some Riv Silver 2 shifters. I can’t seem 
> to get the tension right. They’re either stiffer than I’d like or they 
> slip. New housing and cables. Any tips?
>
> On Sun, Nov 27, 2022 at 8:23 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> Scott has covered this completely so I'll just add this from my 
>> experience with various ratcheting style shifters: I've never noticed the 
>> specific number of clicks per cog, what I *have *noticed is the ratchet 
>> feature makes the "I have to move the lever this much to get a clean shift" 
>> action easier to nail. I can't explain why it helps me, but I always had 
>> better luck with them than pure friction levers. 
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 6:43:17 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:
>>
>>> John:
>>>
>>> I'll attempt to add to the valuable information Dave and Nick have 
>>> shared...
>>>
>>> When thinking about compatibility with shifters, RDs, and cassettes; 
>>> keep in mind the RD does whatever the shifter (index, ratchet, or friction) 
>>> tells it to do, hence the "dummy" comment. So you can for the most part 
>>> eliminate the RD from your compatibility question.
>>>
>>> Your Shimano 8 speed shifter works with your Shimano 7 speed cassette 
>>> because the "indexing" in the shifter is matched with the spacing between 
>>> the cassette cogs; hence one click, one shift. So when you click a shift 
>>> the shifter pulls the cable an amount that causes the RD to move (inboard 
>>> or outboard) an amount equivalent to the distance between the cogs of the 
>>> cassette. On a Shimano 8 speed cassette the distance between cogs is 4.8 
>>> mm, so each time you shift with a Shimano 8 speed indexed shifter the RD is 
>>> going to move 4.8 mm inboard or outboard. Shimano 9 speed cassettes have 
>>> the cogs spaced 4.34 mm apart. You can see the problem if you were to use, 
>>> for example, a Shimano 9 speed indexed shifter with an 8 speed cassette 
>>> (one shift would move RD 4.34 mm, not the needed 4.8 mm between 8 speed 
>>> cassette cogs) Your 8 speed shifter works on the 7 speed cassette because a 
>>> limit screw on the RD doesn't allow it to move the full distance into the 
>>> 8th position and the distance between cogs on a 7 speed cassette are the 
>>> same as 8 speed: 4.8 mm. Indexing (space between cogs) is the same between 
>>> Shimano 7 and 8 speed, so they play well together. If you were to use a 
>>> cassette from a different manufacturer in which the distance between cogs 
>>> was different from that of a Shimano cassette, then you'd likely run into a 
>>> compatibility issue with your 8 speed shifter/non-Shimano cassette 
>>> (assuming cog spacing was different from an 8 speed Shimano cassette).
>>>
>>> One can almost look at a friction shifter as allowing infinite 
>>> adjustment. Riders that are good with them almost develop an indexing in 
>>> their head/hand feel then fine tune after a shift. No indexing to a 
>>> friction shifter so you can run a friction shifter with any make/speed 
>>> cassette. Just have to find the sweet spot yourself.
>>>
>>> The ratchets move the shift cable in little bits (and the RD in little 
>>> bits) I believe (I've never ran them. Someone, please, correct me if I'm 
>>> wrong). So each click moves the shift cable a certain amount that in turn 
>>> moves the RD a certain amount. You'd have to do some research to find out 
>>> how much the RD moves with each click of your 1975s and then do some math. 
>>> You know, at least with your Shimano 7 speed cassette, the cogs are spaced 
>>> 4.8 mm apart. How much does the 1975 shifter move the RD each click? For 
>>> perfect shifting on the 7 speed (or 8) cassette, the clicks (one, two, or 
>>> three)/RD movement would have to add up to intervals of 4.8 mm. I doubt 
>>> that's going to be the case, but fortunately there's a little wiggle room 
>>> short of perfect that will obtain satisfactory shifting. At least there is 
>>> more wiggle room with 4.8 mm spacing than there is with 4.34 mm (Shimano 9 
>>> speed casette).

Re: [RBW] Re: Going around in circles with shifters.

[Ben Adrian]

 to install an indexing shifter incorrectly - idiot proofing. 
>>>>>> It 
>>>>>> is easily removed with a file or Dremel to allow silver or Dia-Compe 
>>>>>> friction shifters to be installed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Laing
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 1:00:01 PM UTC-4 
>>>>>> bunny...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> More shifter nerd talk!
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> Attemped to mount the silver shifter onto the shimano pod this 
>>>>>>> morning and ran into a snag. Many of you probably know this, but if 
>>>>>>> not, 
>>>>>>> here's the deal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here's a photo of the Shimano Pod. Thanks Park Tool!
>>>>>>> https://www.parktool.com/assets/img/repairhelp/barendshifter44.jpg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is a little extra half-circle of metal on the little square 
>>>>>>> area where one fits a spacer/washer. The shimano spacer fits right over 
>>>>>>> it. 
>>>>>>> The standard square-hole washer does not. Riv obviously knows ths=is 
>>>>>>> because their silver pods do not have this half-circle.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The only reason I can fathom why this is there is to make the 
>>>>>>> Shimano pods not be compatible wiuth other bands of shift levers. They 
>>>>>>> probably don't want people futzing around. I believe I can dremel that 
>>>>>>> half-circle off and fit my washer, and it will also not affect the 
>>>>>>> shimano 
>>>>>>> performance in any way if I want to put the Shimano shifters back on. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For now, I will remain a downtube shifter user and see if/when I go 
>>>>>>> crazy ;)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ben
>>>>>>> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 3:53:11 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am with you Ben! First 20+ mile ride with the Silver thumbie 
>>>>>>>> rear. Shifting is buttery smooth - love it! It is so responsive & 
>>>>>>>> precise 
>>>>>>>> feeling.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2022, at 5:57 PM, Ben Adrian  wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pointless updates because I just like talking bikes. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ever since I rerouted my cables, my performance has been very good. 
>>>>>>>> However, I've never tried any of the Suntour/Silver ratchet shifters 
>>>>>>>> and 
>>>>>>>> I've always been curious. I found a used set here so I grabbed them. I 
>>>>>>>> gently removed my rear derailleur cable, wrapped the cable and 
>>>>>>>> housing, and 
>>>>>>>> tied it down to my rack. Then I mounted the SIlver shifter to the DT 
>>>>>>>> boss 
>>>>>>>> an ran the a new rear cable to the RD. WOw, these are really nice. And 
>>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>>> direct cable run gives me the smoothest performance yet. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So now... set up the front and leave it as a DT shifter bike, or 
>>>>>>>> try mounting the Silvers on my Shimano pods and do full friction 
>>>>>>>> bar-end? 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ben
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 7:42:14 AM UTC-7 Dorothy C wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I do a half and half set up with my Roadini - Silver One levers, 
>>>>>>>>> front shifter on the downtube and rear shifter on an IRD stem mount.  
>>>>>>>>> You 
>>>>>>>>> can just leave out the left threaded insert from the stem mount for a 
>>>>>>>>> neater appearance
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, August

[RBW] Los Angeles Ride Saturday October 1st

[Ben Adrian]

Hello Riv List. I often plan rides for my non-racing bike friends. Many of 
them are Riv riders and a few even post here. This Saturday I"m doing a 
fun, casual ride around L.A. to eat donuts, talk music, and nerd out on 
bicycles. The description I posted to my friends is below. Thanks!

--

I love donuts. I love bikes. Let's do both! I've planned a mostly flat, 
casual ride, but there are a couple of little climbs thrown in because it's 
L.A. and you can't avoid it.

Saturday October 1st. 9:00 am.
Ms. Donut.
1353 Glendale Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90026

Meet up at Ms. Donut for the first snack.
We then ride to the river path (first climb to get there) and stop by La 
Colombe if anyone wants good coffee.
After that it's up to Eagle Rock to Colorado Donut.
Next is a sharp climb, a fast descent, and a stop at Donut Friend for any 
vegan needs.
Then a cruise AROUND Mt. Washington (not over), through Chinatown, and 
landing at Donut Man (or whatever else you want) at Grand Central Market.
Then back to the start.

I'm going to promote this ride to the Rivendell owner's list. Really, ride 
any bike you want and wear whatever you want. All are welcome. Still, if 
you are fortunate enough to own more than one bike, I encourage riding your 
steel frame, flat pedal, easy-going commuter bike.

A few pieces of advice.

   - Parking can be annoying if you plan to drive to the ride. You're 
   welcome to meet at my place at 8:30 and ride down with me. Text me for 
   details if you need them. 
   - There is also no bathroom at the start. There's a McDonald's across 
   the street, though. 
   - It's probably a good idea to bring a lock on this ride. 
   - At least one donut shop is Cash Only.
   
Strava Event: https://www.strava.com/clubs/303280/group_events/1251872
Strava Route: https://www.strava.com/routes/3009362240178879004

See you Saturday!
Ben
510-543-6407   

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Re: [RBW] Re: Going around in circles with shifters.

[Ben Adrian]

Since I didn't REALLY want to mangle the pods, I decided to dremed the 
square centered washer spacers. A few minutes carefullt carving on each and 
I got the stopper washers to fit over the indexing alignment bump.

Here's hoping for the best on my ride this evening. 
I really live in a charmed world... Amixing shifting on the downtube where 
I have to lean dow a couple inches vs quick-access bar end with MAYBE a bit 
of bonus friction from the housing. 

Cheers!
Ben

On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 10:45:22 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:

> The half-round function is to locate the indexing function of the indexing 
> shifters correctly. Not strictly necessary, but it makes it impossible to 
> install an indexing shifter incorrectly - idiot proofing. It is easily 
> removed with a file or Dremel to allow silver or Dia-Compe friction 
> shifters to be installed.
>
> Laing
>
> On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 1:00:01 PM UTC-4 bunny...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> More shifter nerd talk!
>>  
>> Attemped to mount the silver shifter onto the shimano pod this morning 
>> and ran into a snag. Many of you probably know this, but if not, here's the 
>> deal.
>>
>> Here's a photo of the Shimano Pod. Thanks Park Tool!
>> https://www.parktool.com/assets/img/repairhelp/barendshifter44.jpg
>>
>> There is a little extra half-circle of metal on the little square area 
>> where one fits a spacer/washer. The shimano spacer fits right over it. The 
>> standard square-hole washer does not. Riv obviously knows ths=is because 
>> their silver pods do not have this half-circle.
>>
>> The only reason I can fathom why this is there is to make the Shimano 
>> pods not be compatible wiuth other bands of shift levers. They probably 
>> don't want people futzing around. I believe I can dremel that half-circle 
>> off and fit my washer, and it will also not affect the shimano performance 
>> in any way if I want to put the Shimano shifters back on. 
>>
>> For now, I will remain a downtube shifter user and see if/when I go crazy 
>> ;)
>>
>> Ben
>> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 3:53:11 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am with you Ben! First 20+ mile ride with the Silver thumbie rear. 
>>> Shifting is buttery smooth - love it! It is so responsive & precise feeling.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Sep 19, 2022, at 5:57 PM, Ben Adrian  wrote:
>>>
>>> Pointless updates because I just like talking bikes. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Ever since I rerouted my cables, my performance has been very good. 
>>> However, I've never tried any of the Suntour/Silver ratchet shifters and 
>>> I've always been curious. I found a used set here so I grabbed them. I 
>>> gently removed my rear derailleur cable, wrapped the cable and housing, and 
>>> tied it down to my rack. Then I mounted the SIlver shifter to the DT boss 
>>> an ran the a new rear cable to the RD. WOw, these are really nice. And the 
>>> direct cable run gives me the smoothest performance yet. 
>>>
>>> So now... set up the front and leave it as a DT shifter bike, or try 
>>> mounting the Silvers on my Shimano pods and do full friction bar-end? 
>>>
>>> Ben
>>>
>>> On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 7:42:14 AM UTC-7 Dorothy C wrote:
>>>
>>>> I do a half and half set up with my Roadini - Silver One levers, front 
>>>> shifter on the downtube and rear shifter on an IRD stem mount.  You can 
>>>> just leave out the left threaded insert from the stem mount for a neater 
>>>> appearance
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 6:48:00 PM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey all! Just looking for some gear chat.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a Rambouillet with drop bars. I'm finally getting everything 
>>>>> comfortable, but I've been around the block with my shifters.
>>>>>
>>>>> My bike came with 8 speed bar end shifters. However, when I did my 
>>>>> first configuration I mounted them on the downtube. They worked great. It 
>>>>> was kind of a bummer to reach down, but I went with it because I loved 
>>>>> the 
>>>>> simplicity and getting the cables off the handlebars. 
>>>>>
>>>>> After a while I decided to put them back in the bar ends. I had 
>>>>> previously used bar ends for a long time, so it felt like home. However, 
>>>>> I 
>>>>> have 

[RBW] Re: Your preferred non-leather saddle

[Ben Adrian]

I have tried a lot of saddles and I find that I can't do any that have a 
strong arc or curve. It's too much of a "taint blaster". Unfortunately, 
I've found that almost all leather saddles have either too much arc, or are 
difficult to get into position. I have found a number of modern saddles 
that I like.

Specialized Power and Toupe saddles - 155mm width for me. These are flat 
and feel stable and comfortable. However, they do work best with padded 
bike shorts if the ride is long, and can start to get challenging after a 
couple hours without a padded chamois. 

I also have a Selle SMP "Plus" model as well. This has worked great on my 
Riv; correct amount of padding, desireable shap, but OH IT'S UGLY

I revently picked up a Rivet Imogene saddle from this forum. It's a flat, 
pretty wide saddle. I THINK it's working, but I"m waiting for a longer 
setback seatpost before I decide for sure. 

But holy hell, saddles are a litera and figurative pain in the ass until 
something comes along and you ride and stop thinking about it.

Cheers!
Ben

On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 11:54:48 AM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> This might be bad advice since I like brooks saddles (the B-17), and only 
> gave up on them because my sweat in combination with my riding style 
> basically destroyed too many B-17s so quickly that I went with a lower 
> mainteneance solution. I switched over to the Ritchey WCS saddle, and 
> they've worked out great for me. What's impressive about them is that the 
> "Vector Wing" structure doubles as saddlebag loops, which is something that 
> doesn't exist on most plastic saddles.
>
> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 11:39:19 AM UTC-7 zem...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I have tried and failed for years to love and get comfortable on leather 
>> saddles. I've really put in the miles so I'm fairly certain that this isn't 
>> a "break in period" issue. I've been through a couple Brooks and Stelle 
>> Anatomica. 
>>
>> I'd like to get some non-leather saddles a try but there are so many it's 
>> hard to know where to start. I'm riding a San Marcos (similar to Homer or 
>> Roadini) with an Albatross bar about an inch above the saddle. 
>>
>> Do you have a favourite non-leather saddle that's comfortable for you in 
>> a similar riding configuration?
>>
>> Zack
>> Toronto, Canada
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Going around in circles with shifters.

[Ben Adrian]

More shifter nerd talk!
 
Attemped to mount the silver shifter onto the shimano pod this morning and 
ran into a snag. Many of you probably know this, but if not, here's the 
deal.

Here's a photo of the Shimano Pod. Thanks Park Tool!
https://www.parktool.com/assets/img/repairhelp/barendshifter44.jpg

There is a little extra half-circle of metal on the little square area 
where one fits a spacer/washer. The shimano spacer fits right over it. The 
standard square-hole washer does not. Riv obviously knows ths=is because 
their silver pods do not have this half-circle.

The only reason I can fathom why this is there is to make the Shimano pods 
not be compatible wiuth other bands of shift levers. They probably don't 
want people futzing around. I believe I can dremel that half-circle off and 
fit my washer, and it will also not affect the shimano performance in any 
way if I want to put the Shimano shifters back on. 

For now, I will remain a downtube shifter user and see if/when I go crazy ;)

Ben
On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 3:53:11 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> I am with you Ben! First 20+ mile ride with the Silver thumbie rear. 
> Shifting is buttery smooth - love it! It is so responsive & precise feeling.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 19, 2022, at 5:57 PM, Ben Adrian  wrote:
>
> Pointless updates because I just like talking bikes. 
>
>
> Ever since I rerouted my cables, my performance has been very good. 
> However, I've never tried any of the Suntour/Silver ratchet shifters and 
> I've always been curious. I found a used set here so I grabbed them. I 
> gently removed my rear derailleur cable, wrapped the cable and housing, and 
> tied it down to my rack. Then I mounted the SIlver shifter to the DT boss 
> an ran the a new rear cable to the RD. WOw, these are really nice. And the 
> direct cable run gives me the smoothest performance yet. 
>
> So now... set up the front and leave it as a DT shifter bike, or try 
> mounting the Silvers on my Shimano pods and do full friction bar-end? 
>
> Ben
>
> On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 7:42:14 AM UTC-7 Dorothy C wrote:
>
>> I do a half and half set up with my Roadini - Silver One levers, front 
>> shifter on the downtube and rear shifter on an IRD stem mount.  You can 
>> just leave out the left threaded insert from the stem mount for a neater 
>> appearance
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 6:48:00 PM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all! Just looking for some gear chat.
>>>
>>> I have a Rambouillet with drop bars. I'm finally getting everything 
>>> comfortable, but I've been around the block with my shifters.
>>>
>>> My bike came with 8 speed bar end shifters. However, when I did my first 
>>> configuration I mounted them on the downtube. They worked great. It was 
>>> kind of a bummer to reach down, but I went with it because I loved the 
>>> simplicity and getting the cables off the handlebars. 
>>>
>>> After a while I decided to put them back in the bar ends. I had 
>>> previously used bar ends for a long time, so it felt like home. However, I 
>>> have a front Mark's rack with a basket and the derailleur cables were 
>>> always getting in the way of the front stuff.
>>>
>>> So I just ran the cables fully under the bar tape and that install works 
>>> great to get stuff out of the way, but now my shifting performance is 
>>> pretty bad from the twisty cable runs; much worse than any other 
>>> configurations.
>>>
>>> So, nothing is really broken, but I know it can be better. Wondering if 
>>> I should try again with a new take on the "not under tape" routing. Or try 
>>> downtube again? Or just go nuts and look for a used STI system?
>>>
>>> Let's chat!
>>> Ben
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Going around in circles with shifters.

[Ben Adrian]

Pointless updates because I just like talking bikes. 

Ever since I rerouted my cables, my performance has been very good. 
However, I've never tried any of the Suntour/Silver ratchet shifters and 
I've always been curious. I found a used set here so I grabbed them. I 
gently removed my rear derailleur cable, wrapped the cable and housing, and 
tied it down to my rack. Then I mounted the SIlver shifter to the DT boss 
an ran the a new rear cable to the RD. WOw, these are really nice. And the 
direct cable run gives me the smoothest performance yet. 

So now... set up the front and leave it as a DT shifter bike, or try 
mounting the Silvers on my Shimano pods and do full friction bar-end? 

Ben

On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 7:42:14 AM UTC-7 Dorothy C wrote:

> I do a half and half set up with my Roadini - Silver One levers, front 
> shifter on the downtube and rear shifter on an IRD stem mount.  You can 
> just leave out the left threaded insert from the stem mount for a neater 
> appearance
>
> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 6:48:00 PM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey all! Just looking for some gear chat.
>>
>> I have a Rambouillet with drop bars. I'm finally getting everything 
>> comfortable, but I've been around the block with my shifters.
>>
>> My bike came with 8 speed bar end shifters. However, when I did my first 
>> configuration I mounted them on the downtube. They worked great. It was 
>> kind of a bummer to reach down, but I went with it because I loved the 
>> simplicity and getting the cables off the handlebars. 
>>
>> After a while I decided to put them back in the bar ends. I had 
>> previously used bar ends for a long time, so it felt like home. However, I 
>> have a front Mark's rack with a basket and the derailleur cables were 
>> always getting in the way of the front stuff.
>>
>> So I just ran the cables fully under the bar tape and that install works 
>> great to get stuff out of the way, but now my shifting performance is 
>> pretty bad from the twisty cable runs; much worse than any other 
>> configurations.
>>
>> So, nothing is really broken, but I know it can be better. Wondering if I 
>> should try again with a new take on the "not under tape" routing. Or try 
>> downtube again? Or just go nuts and look for a used STI system?
>>
>> Let's chat!
>> Ben
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] WTB: long setback seatpost

[Ben Adrian]

Hey All!

I've recently purchased a leather saddle that I think I'll get along with. 
However, like most leather saddles, I'll need a bit more setback to really 
get my sit bones into the right place. 

The plan is to get the Velo-Orange Grand Cru 30mm setback post. I can find 
one for about $50 or so. However, before I buy a new piece of gear, I 
always like to look for something second-hand. Sometimes I can even find 
something nicer for about the same price as a new unit.

So, does anyone have a 27.2, 30mm or longer setback post they might be 
selling?
Thanks!
Ben

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[RBW] Re: FS - Riv Bits - Silver 1 Shifters, Sun/SRAM Dynamo Wheel, Compass Snoqualmie Pass Tires, Rivet Saddle

[Ben Adrian]

I bought the saddle and shifters from Huston and I just wanted to drop a 
note here. His pacing job was the BEST packing job of used gear that I have 
ever received (bike or guitar). Fully reccommend him for transactions. 
Thanks Huston!

Ben

On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 6:33:06 AM UTC-7 Huston wrote:

> All items are SOLD.  Thank you for your interest.
>
> Huston
> Lexington, KY
>
> On Tuesday, September 6, 2022 at 11:00:30 PM UTC-4 Huston wrote:
>
>> Update #2.  Only the wheel remains.
>>
>> 1. Rivendell Silver 1 Shifters.  Shift levers are very clean.  Attachment 
>> hardware shows a bit more wear.  Does not include bar end pods; however, 
>> the stop washers that attach to the downtube bosses are included.  Plastic 
>> washers are not cracked (as they often are).  *SOLD*.
>>
>>
>> 2. Dynamo Wheel.  700c dynamo wheel with Sun CR18 36h rim.  The hub is a 
>> SRAM I-Light D7 series.  For a used wheel, the hub is quite clean.  Rim 
>> shows a bit of wear.  Includes QR skewer.  This would be a good wheel for 
>> giving dynamo lighting a whirl.  $75.00 plus shipping.  Box is 26x26x7.
>>
>> 3. Compass/Rene Herse Snoqualmie Pass tires (2).  700c x 44.  Standard 
>> casing.  Lightly used.  Rear tire shows a little tread wear; front tire 
>> shows minimal wear.  The tires were run with tubes, so they are clean on 
>> the inside.  *SOLD*.
>>
>> 4. Rivet "The Imogene" saddle.  Chrome rails.  Used but clean with a few 
>> light marks on the leather.  These have a listed width of 175mm.  *SOLD*.
>>
>> Huston
>> Lexington, KY
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 6, 2022 at 8:41:49 PM UTC-4 Huston wrote:
>>
>>> Update:
>>>
>>> 1. Rivendell Silver 1 Shifters.  Shift levers are very clean. 
>>>  Attachment hardware shows a bit more wear.  Does not include bar end pods; 
>>> however, the stop washers that attach to the downtube bosses are included. 
>>>  Plastic washers are not cracked (as they often are).  $50.00 shipped to 
>>> CONUS.
>>>
>>> 2. Dynamo Wheel.  700c dynamo wheel with Sun CR18 36h rim.  The hub is a 
>>> SRAM I-Light D7 series.  For a used wheel, the hub is quite clean.  Rim 
>>> shows a bit of wear.  Includes QR skewer.  This would be a good wheel for 
>>> giving dynamo lighting a whirl.  $75.00 plus shipping.  Box is 26x26x7.
>>>
>>> 3. Compass/Rene Herse Snoqualmie Pass tires (2).  700c x 44.  Standard 
>>> casing.  Lightly used.  Rear tire shows a little tread wear; front tire 
>>> shows minimal wear.  The tires were run with tubes, so they are clean on 
>>> the inside.  *SOLD*.
>>>
>>> 4. Rivet "The Imogene" saddle.  Chrome rails.  Used but clean with a few 
>>> light marks on the leather.  These have a listed width of 175mm.  $100 
>>> shipped to CONUS.
>>>
>>> Huston
>>> Lexington, KY
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 6, 2022 at 12:23:58 PM UTC-4 Huston wrote:
>>>
 Greetings,

 I'm in the process of overhauling a new-to-me Rivendell and have some 
 Riv (or Riv-ish) items for sale.  Photos are available here 
 
 .

 1.  Rivendell Silver 1 Shifters.  Shift levers are very clean. 
  Attachment hardware shows a bit more wear.  Does not include bar end 
 pods; 
 however, the stop washers that attach to the downtube bosses are included. 
  Plastic washers are not cracked (as they often are).  $50.00 shipped to 
 CONUS.

 2. Dynamo Wheel.  700c dynamo wheel with Sun CR18 36h rim.  The hub is 
 a SRAM I-Light D7 series.  For a used wheel, the hub is quite clean.  Rim 
 shows a bit of wear.  Includes QR skewer.  This would be a good wheel for 
 giving dynamo lighting a whirl.  $75.00 plus shipping.  Box is 26x26x7.

 3. Compass/Rene Herse Snoqualmie Pass tires (2).  700c x 44.  Standard 
 casing.  Lightly used.  Rear tire shows a little tread wear; front tire 
 shows minimal wear.  The tires were run with tubes, so they are clean on 
 the inside.  $85.00 shipped to CONUS.

 4. Rivet "The Imogene" saddle.  Chrome rails.  Used but clean with a 
 few light marks on the leather.  These have a listed width of 175mm.  $100 
 shipped to CONUS.

 Thanks for looking.  Please send a PM if you are interested.  I will 
 update the list as items are sold.

 Huston
 Lexington, KY

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tektro R559 - Cable Anchor Bolt Replacement?

[Ben Adrian]

Could a small cable channel be cut with something like a dremel? I've never 
used these brakes, so I"m not sure if this is a possible modification.

Cheers!
Ben

On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 10:47:28 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:

> Remember that Stainless Steel cables require a different flux and solder 
> than the older galvanized cables. The solder and flux for SS works on 
> galvanized but not vice-versa.
>
> Laing
>
> On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 1:43:58 PM UTC-4 Tim Tetrault wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the soldering idea- that’s great. On my particular 559s 
>> there’s not one grove but three that seems to act as friction bites on the 
>> cable. 
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2022 at 10:39 lconley  wrote:
>>
>>> You can solder the cable that goes in the anchor. You can still crush 
>>> the soldered cable, but the soldered cable will take more clamping force 
>>> before it crushes.
>>> I also align the square washer so it contacts the cable along the full 
>>> length and keep the cable as close as possible to the bolt. There is a 
>>> semi-concave groove somewhere in there as I recall.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 1:01:25 PM UTC-4 Tim Tetrault wrote:
>>>
 Hi Folks, 

 I have a 2012 Sam that uses Tektro R559 side pull canti's with a square 
 "smush" style anchor bolt for the brake cable. (See picture)

 Trouble is I generally fray or smush the brake cable more than I'd 
 like. Can one replace these with something that has a little bit more of a 
 "pocket" for the cable, so I can adjust as the pads wear with less 
 smushing/fraying?

 Something like this- 
 https://www.amazon.com/Brake-Part-Anchor-Bolt-Tektro/dp/B0047MCLUE

 Maybe the answer is I get one of those 'third hand' brake tools to 
 really seat it in there better when installing...

 Thanks for any help,

 Tim

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[RBW] Re: Going around in circles with shifters.

[Ben Adrian]

On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 10:02:35 AM UTC-7 shopmonkey 39 wrote:

> Here's some ideas based on personal experience as I have barends on a 
> handful of bikes.  First idea since you are already there, would be to turn 
> your indexing off on your shifters.  I have this on a bike and it works 
> great in friction mode.
>
>
I've tried this, and yeah, friction is a little better but still stiff.
 

> Second idea.  If you are open to other models of drop bar, you can look 
> for something with more run out.  I switched to Soma Highway Ones and the 
> extra run out has allowed me to run cables that apex just before the basket.
>

I actually am running 42cm highway one bars. I'm not sure what you mean by 
more run out. However, I'm thinking maybe I can do something like start to 
run the housing out of the bar tape once the bar starts to curve upward. 
This might make the shifter cables run upward out of the bars rather than 
forward?
 

> Fifth.  Gevenalle shifters.  I love these and they work great for basket 
> bikes and even sometimes saddlebag on the front bikes.  I would choose it 
> over STI everytime.
>

I had considered these, but I wish I could try them first. I've never seen 
them in real life.
 

>
> Alot of this is based on the size of your bike, stem, bars, etc.  Also 
> keep in mind that STI depending on the size of your bike and bars can 
> sometimes hit your basket or bag.  I ran 44cm bars and occasionally if my 
> bag was stuffed it would be a struggle to shift.  
>

This is a fantastic point. Shimano STIs on a set of 42cm wide bars with a 
loaded front basket seems like a bad idea.  

Thanks for your thoughts!
Ben

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[RBW] Re: Going around in circles with shifters.

[Ben Adrian]

Scene report!

To the Riv out for an urban cruise today. Shifting was still terrible. I 
did some tests while riding where I just leaned over and pulled on the 
shifting cables between the stops and the bottom bracket. The shifting was 
really smooth. So it must be the cable going through the handlebar bends 
while under load/tension. Around the circle I continue to go...
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 6:38:13 AM UTC-7 Bill Schairer wrote:

> Having ridden for years with a front handlebar bag, I guess I'm just used 
> to pushing the cables from the bar end shifters one way or the other to 
> mount or unmount the bag.  That said, I now run my Atlantis with a DT front 
> shifter and bar end rear shifter for two reasons unrelated to cable/bag 
> interference - for some reason, my left hand is less tolerant of the 
> shifting motion required for the bar end shifter than my right and, on past 
> tours, my front derailleur has at times become balky in dirty conditions 
> which I attribute partially to the derailleur spring having trouble 
> overcoming the additional friction caused by dirty cable housing.  I find 
> the front shift much more reliable and quick with less effort with the DT 
> shifter.  On a two month tour just completed, I had zero troubles with 
> front shifts despite lots of gravel and rain whereas one week tours on 
> gravel of past with bar end required daily lubrication and exercise of the 
> front derailleur and still things could get balky.  For whatever it is 
> worth, a couple of the guys I toured with used brifters and suffered from 
> similar issues.  The downside was the double shift to or from the granny 
> was not nearly as smooth as with two bar ends but at least they always did 
> happen.  I just don't worry much where I've got to push the cables from the 
> bar ends. I have another bike with two bar ends and a bag which works just 
> fine for me on day rides.
>
> Bill S 
> San Diego
>
> On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 2:44:26 PM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I love all the replies and knowledge here. It's pretty fun.
>>
>> I did a little test. I put my RD in the biggest cog. I then shifted all 
>> the way down to the smallest cog without pedaling to put slack in the 
>> cable. Then I pulled the cable tight at the downtube. Then I shifted back 
>> up to the biggest cassette without any derailleur spring tension in the 
>> way. It actually felt pretty smooth. I never did this test BEFORE this 
>> routing, so I have no control, though.
>>
>> I will say that just a couple days before I ran new cable that I put a 
>> derailleur hangar extender on the rear so I could go up to a 32t rear cog 
>> with my Ultegra 6500 derailleur. It works fine, but I wonder if some of the 
>> shifting resistance is more about making larger cog jumps and running my 
>> derailleur out of spec, and not entirely cable friction. Also, I've been 
>> running the bike in indexed mode.
>>
>> So, step 1 is to go to friction mode and hang out on the smaller side of 
>> the cassette; see if it feels any easier. If so I'll have to figure out 
>> where to go. If not...
>> Step 2, try the long floppy cable thing.
>> Step 3. consider Tiagra 4703 and a 4700/5800/6800 long rear derailleur. I 
>> have a 2x10 4700 setup on a budget carbon road bike and it was actually 
>> pretty good. It looks like they have a 3x10 lever setup. I know that RD can 
>> handle a 34, shifts smoothly, and is easy to set-up. Plus a 10s cassette 
>> will still fit my older wheels.
>>
>> Or I just go back to a high end, ratchet, downtube shifter and learn to 
>> love it ;) Keep this circle going!
>>
>> By no means should this kill the conversation, though. Chat away!
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Ben
>>
>> On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 12:15:35 PM UTC-7 Jeffrey Arita wrote:
>>
>>> Ben: I will add my 2 cents: we are big bar-end fans - they are on the 
>>> bikes that have drop handlebars.  We only go friction - not indexed, so 
>>> YMMV.  We use front racks and Wald baskets, and yes, depending upon your 
>>> specific setup, the pair of long "U" cable and cable housing can get in the 
>>> way.  Try routing the big U's under the Mark's rack and then zip-tie them 
>>> to the rack so they are somewhat stationary.  Finally zip tie both U's 
>>> together so they act like a single unit.  Yeah, it looks clunky but it 
>>> might help keep those big U's under control.
>>>
>>> Good luck,
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>> Claremont, CA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 6:48:00 PM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hey all! Just looking for some gear chat.

 I have a Rambouillet with drop bars. I'm finally getting everything 
 comfortable, but I've been around the block with my shifters.

 My bike came with 8 speed bar end shifters. However, when I did my 
 first configuration I mounted them on the downtube. They worked great. It 
 was kind of a bummer to reach down, but I went with it because I loved the 
 simplicity and getting the 

[RBW] Re: Going around in circles with shifters.

[Ben Adrian]

I love all the replies and knowledge here. It's pretty fun.

I did a little test. I put my RD in the biggest cog. I then shifted all the 
way down to the smallest cog without pedaling to put slack in the cable. 
Then I pulled the cable tight at the downtube. Then I shifted back up to 
the biggest cassette without any derailleur spring tension in the way. It 
actually felt pretty smooth. I never did this test BEFORE this routing, so 
I have no control, though.

I will say that just a couple days before I ran new cable that I put a 
derailleur hangar extender on the rear so I could go up to a 32t rear cog 
with my Ultegra 6500 derailleur. It works fine, but I wonder if some of the 
shifting resistance is more about making larger cog jumps and running my 
derailleur out of spec, and not entirely cable friction. Also, I've been 
running the bike in indexed mode.

So, step 1 is to go to friction mode and hang out on the smaller side of 
the cassette; see if it feels any easier. If so I'll have to figure out 
where to go. If not...
Step 2, try the long floppy cable thing.
Step 3. consider Tiagra 4703 and a 4700/5800/6800 long rear derailleur. I 
have a 2x10 4700 setup on a budget carbon road bike and it was actually 
pretty good. It looks like they have a 3x10 lever setup. I know that RD can 
handle a 34, shifts smoothly, and is easy to set-up. Plus a 10s cassette 
will still fit my older wheels.

Or I just go back to a high end, ratchet, downtube shifter and learn to 
love it ;) Keep this circle going!

By no means should this kill the conversation, though. Chat away!

Cheers!
Ben

On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 12:15:35 PM UTC-7 Jeffrey Arita wrote:

> Ben: I will add my 2 cents: we are big bar-end fans - they are on the 
> bikes that have drop handlebars.  We only go friction - not indexed, so 
> YMMV.  We use front racks and Wald baskets, and yes, depending upon your 
> specific setup, the pair of long "U" cable and cable housing can get in the 
> way.  Try routing the big U's under the Mark's rack and then zip-tie them 
> to the rack so they are somewhat stationary.  Finally zip tie both U's 
> together so they act like a single unit.  Yeah, it looks clunky but it 
> might help keep those big U's under control.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Jeff
> Claremont, CA
>
> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 6:48:00 PM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey all! Just looking for some gear chat.
>>
>> I have a Rambouillet with drop bars. I'm finally getting everything 
>> comfortable, but I've been around the block with my shifters.
>>
>> My bike came with 8 speed bar end shifters. However, when I did my first 
>> configuration I mounted them on the downtube. They worked great. It was 
>> kind of a bummer to reach down, but I went with it because I loved the 
>> simplicity and getting the cables off the handlebars. 
>>
>> After a while I decided to put them back in the bar ends. I had 
>> previously used bar ends for a long time, so it felt like home. However, I 
>> have a front Mark's rack with a basket and the derailleur cables were 
>> always getting in the way of the front stuff.
>>
>> So I just ran the cables fully under the bar tape and that install works 
>> great to get stuff out of the way, but now my shifting performance is 
>> pretty bad from the twisty cable runs; much worse than any other 
>> configurations.
>>
>> So, nothing is really broken, but I know it can be better. Wondering if I 
>> should try again with a new take on the "not under tape" routing. Or try 
>> downtube again? Or just go nuts and look for a used STI system?
>>
>> Let's chat!
>> Ben
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Going around in circles with shifters.

[Ben Adrian]

Hey all! Just looking for some gear chat.

I have a Rambouillet with drop bars. I'm finally getting everything 
comfortable, but I've been around the block with my shifters.

My bike came with 8 speed bar end shifters. However, when I did my first 
configuration I mounted them on the downtube. They worked great. It was 
kind of a bummer to reach down, but I went with it because I loved the 
simplicity and getting the cables off the handlebars. 

After a while I decided to put them back in the bar ends. I had previously 
used bar ends for a long time, so it felt like home. However, I have a 
front Mark's rack with a basket and the derailleur cables were always 
getting in the way of the front stuff.

So I just ran the cables fully under the bar tape and that install works 
great to get stuff out of the way, but now my shifting performance is 
pretty bad from the twisty cable runs; much worse than any other 
configurations.

So, nothing is really broken, but I know it can be better. Wondering if I 
should try again with a new take on the "not under tape" routing. Or try 
downtube again? Or just go nuts and look for a used STI system?

Let's chat!
Ben


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[RBW] Re: Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[Ben Adrian]

Just watched your assembly video again, Eric, and I see it's a 7cm. Love 
the videos, especially as eye candy to see different build configurations 
close up.

Cheers!

On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 10:34:39 AM UTC-7 Ben Adrian wrote:

> I just put the 700 x 35 Rene Herse slicks back on my Rambouillet. I had 
> them on before, but the wider tire and a loaded front rack started to feel 
> weird. Plus, I wanted to put on fenders and the fenders I have were too 
> small for 35s. Anyway, I'm shifting the load to the rear and I've removed 
> the fenders, so I put the 35s back on. What a fantastic ride now.
>
> I just got some 700 x 44 tires like yours above for my Salsa Warbird. I've 
> not had a chance to do a serious ride on them, but they look like they are 
> going to be very nice.
>
> Also, what's the stem length on your Hillborne?
>
> Cheers!
> Ben
>
> On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 5:23:03 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello people — What size tires do you all run for riding pavement and 
>> doing brevets and such? My Hillborne is set up with 44mm Snoqualmie Pass 
>> tires from RH. They are slick, I run them at around 37psi. Went with these 
>> seeing no downsides. I have clearance for maybe even 48s. Standard casing 
>> but I have a set of used extra lights heading to me soon from Vermont which 
>> I'm excited to try. 
>>
>> Curious to know what others think about tire sizes for long paved rides. 
>>
>> [image: Hillborne.jpg]
>>
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[RBW] Re: Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[Ben Adrian]

I just put the 700 x 35 Rene Herse slicks back on my Rambouillet. I had 
them on before, but the wider tire and a loaded front rack started to feel 
weird. Plus, I wanted to put on fenders and the fenders I have were too 
small for 35s. Anyway, I'm shifting the load to the rear and I've removed 
the fenders, so I put the 35s back on. What a fantastic ride now.

I just got some 700 x 44 tires like yours above for my Salsa Warbird. I've 
not had a chance to do a serious ride on them, but they look like they are 
going to be very nice.

Also, what's the stem length on your Hillborne?

Cheers!
Ben

On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 5:23:03 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello people — What size tires do you all run for riding pavement and 
> doing brevets and such? My Hillborne is set up with 44mm Snoqualmie Pass 
> tires from RH. They are slick, I run them at around 37psi. Went with these 
> seeing no downsides. I have clearance for maybe even 48s. Standard casing 
> but I have a set of used extra lights heading to me soon from Vermont which 
> I'm excited to try. 
>
> Curious to know what others think about tire sizes for long paved rides. 
>
> [image: Hillborne.jpg]
>

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[RBW] FS: Thomson Elite Setback Seatpost Silver 27.2 x 250mm

[Ben Adrian]

Thomson Elite Setback Seatpost Silver 27.2 x 250mm

A few insertion marks, but still in very good shape.

I used this on my Rambouillet and, for me, I couldn't get it low enough 
with the saddle that I ended up using/ The setback area should run into the 
seat tube. However, with other saddles that weren't as tall, it worked 
great. I'm happy yo take measurements for people.

$75 shipped

AS usual, best place to see pics is n my Paceline ad.
https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=285395

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[RBW] FS: Nitto Pearl 9cm 26mm

[Ben Adrian]

Nitto Pearl 9 cm stem. 26mm clamp.
Missing the clamp bolt.
There a mark on it by the stem bolt. Other small wear marks… it’s had a 
life but there more left.

See photos. Happy to answer questions.
Bet place to find pictures is here:
https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=285247

$25 shipped as is.

Thanks!
Ben in L.A.

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[RBW] For Sale: Shimano Dura Ace 11 Speed bar end shifters

[Ben Adrian]

Dura Ace 2/3 x 11 bar end / tri / time trial shifters. Left friction. Right 
is index only. should work with 5800, 6800, 7000, 8000 and whatever number 
Dura Ace called their 11 speed Rear Derailleurs. It will also work with 
Tiagra 4700 RD if paired with an 11 speed cassette.

I got this crazy idea to run an 11 speed setup on my Riv. I started buying 
parts. After doing some reconfigurations, I have decided to go in another 
direction.

I got these used and never installed them. Shifters, original box, one 
housing, one cable, cable stops, other misc. stuff. It's what I got from 
the previous seller.
$85 shipped

Photos Here:
https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=284654

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[RBW] Re: Front Rack for Rambouillet

[Ben Adrian]

I keep remembering this post and I hate to admit how much it probably 
applies to me. It feels so much more alive whenever I ride the bike without 
the front rack. I really want this to be my "utility" bike. For instance, I 
went and picked up some sushi tonight, and I needed a flat area to keep the 
food upright and stable. Something on the front just seems so much more 
convenient for me. I usually leave my bag on all the time and it's always 
getting used.

Perhaps I just need some kind of larger rear bag for my everyday stuff; 
tools, lock, emergency road snacks, light jackets, etc. Then I keep an 
empty front rack and only bungee stuff to it when the rear is not an 
option? 

It's that or get a different bike that likes a front load more.

Cheers!
Ben

On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 1:31:38 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Most of us who mucked around with those bikes 15-20 years ago used a 
> Mark's Rack. It worked well enough but honestly I can't recommend it, 
> P-clamps are a pain in the patooty and Rivs are rear-loader designs. My 
> preference - I know you didn't ask, just putting it out there to ponder on 
> - is an unsupported bar bag of some sort and rack-and-bag in the rear. As 
> seen here. 
>
> Joe "in this reporter's opinion" Bernard 
>
> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 11:45:00 AM UTC-8 bunny...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey all!
>>
>> I have a Rambouillet which has caliper brakes as I'm sure most of you 
>> know.
>>
>> I'd love to put a rando style rack on the front. It only has eyelets for 
>> fenders, so I know I'll need to use hose/P clamps on the fork and a 
>> mount at the brake bolt.
>>
>> Anyway, I'd like to call on the experts here to find out what is the 
>> favorite rack for this model. Any good front rack talk is appreciated as 
>> well.
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Ben Adrian
>>
>>

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[RBW] Carradice Keswick Bag still for sale

[Ben Adrian]

Hey everybody!
I kind of forgot that I still had this. Handlebar bag that lives on a 
klickfix mount. 
Best way to see pics it to check the ad on paceline
https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=280760

$75 shipped in the U.S.

Thanks!
Ben

On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 10:37:05 PM UTC-7 Ben Adrian wrote:

> Hey Everyone!
> I bought the Carradice Keswick bag from Joe, but it's not working out for 
> me. It sits a little high on the handlebars for my taste. I have it on drop 
> bars. It might be better for flat or riser bars.
> It's in fantastic shape and includes a shoulder strap, the bottom light 
> mount, and and two Klickfix mounts. 
> $80 and I'll split actual shipping.
> No photos yet, but it's Black and looks just like the one on the website.
>
> https://carradice.co.uk/shop/handlebar-bags/originals-keswick-handlebar-bag-5l/
>
> Cheers!
> Ben
>
> On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 1:26:15 PM UTC-8 jmlmu...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks to those who bought the cranks and bags. Here's what still 
>> available:
>>
>>
>> 4. Thomson Masterpiece 27.2x330 set back seat post - $80
>>
>>- Used with a few scratches as shown in the photos
>>
>> 5. MKS GR-9 platform pedals with cages and VO leather straps - make an 
>> offer!
>>
>> 6. Roadrunner bags cell phone pouch - $25
>>
>>- Great condition with no signs of use
>>
>> 7. GB Stem 12cm - make an offer!
>>
>> 8. Billingham 335 camera bag - $275 or make an offer
>>
>>- Almost new 
>>- Almost fits into a Wald 137 basket. Will easily fit into Wald 139
>>
>> Photos of everything here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/Dg7Avy3hQT6A1xdF7
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 1:22:49 PM UTC-8 Joe Mullins wrote:
>>
>>> Cranks are sold thank you!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 1, 2022, at 9:52 AM, Joe Mullins  wrote:
>>>
>>> Keswick and and Zeitgesit are pending sale. Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 31, 2022, at 10:52 PM, Ben Adrian  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Fantastic. 
>>>
>>> No rush on my end. Just hang on to it and I can grab it when schedules 
>>> are better.
>>> I’m happy to PayPal or Venmo any time, or can do cash in person.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Ben
>>>
>>> On Jan 31, 2022, at 10:49 PM, Joe Mullins  wrote:
>>>
>>> Great thanks Ben! I work until probably 8-9pm tomorrow and not sure 
>>> what hours the rest of the week. I’m in production so long hours for me 
>>> until the weekend. I’d be happy to meet as I’m close by in Mt. Washington. 
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Joe
>>> 818-590-8377 <(818)%20590-8377>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 31, 2022, at 10:46 PM, Ben Adrian  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Hey Joe
>>>
>>> I’ll take the carradice bag if it’s still available. I live in Echo Park 
>>> so maybe I can just pick it up sometime? Happy to pay right away, though.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Ben Adrian
>>> 510-543-6407 <(510)%20543-6407>
>>>
>>> On Jan 31, 2022, at 10:19 PM, Joe Mullins  wrote:
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *I will be updating this list of items for sale as I take more pictures, 
>>> gather more prices, and decide what else to part with.
>>>
>>> I’ve been inspired by Riv’s spirit of supporting those in need and have 
>>> decided that 100% of the proceeds of everything that sells will go to 
>>> support a friend who’s mother is battling ALS, also known as Lou Gehrig’s 
>>> disease—a rare and progressive neurological disease that primarily affects 
>>> the nerve cells responsible for controlling voluntary muscle movement.
>>>
>>> A little over a year ago, my good friend Marisa’s mother was diagnosed 
>>> with ALS. It has been an agonizing year for both of them. The emotional 
>>> toll is immeasurable. Given the fact that her mother lives nearly three 
>>> hours away and requires round the clock care, Marisa has begun to fall into 
>>> financial hardship while spending time caring for her mom. She is a 
>>> hairdresser in Los Angeles and she can’t cut her clients’ hair while caring 
>>> for her mom up in Santa Maria.
>>>
>>> Some close friends and I are hoping that we can chip in to support her 
>>> so that she can spend what time remains with her mother being present and 
>>> not worrying about the unmanageable debt that’s piling 

[RBW] FS: Velo Orange Randonneur Rack and Suntour shifters

[Ben Adrian]

*Older Velo Orange Randonneur Rack with separate 1" decaleur.*

This shows some wear, but works fine. Mounts with included P clamps or to 
fork braze ons.

Notice, the mount for the brake/fork crown has been cut. Also, it's not a 
diving board style, but rather is welded to the rack frame. Also, I have to 
squeeze the decaleur mount slightly to put the mount onto the receiver. I 
don't know if this is a standard thing or just some weirdness with this 
unit. It's never been a bother for me though. I just want to be fully clear 
of what is being sold.

$80 shipped for the set.


*Suntour Friction Shifters*

In excellent shape. They look super cool to me. True friction; no indexing, 
no power ratchet. I went back to my bar end shifters.

$20 shipped

Check out photos here if you can
https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=283799

Thanks!
Ben

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Re: [RBW] Riv Enthusiast at Midnight Oil show

[Ben Adrian]

Yes, it's a delight to be able to ride to most shows in Los Angeles. My 
wife and I will ride to see the symphony at Disney Hall, many concerts at 
the Hollywood Bowl, and pretty much everywhere in between. I've discovered 
many well hidden or well protected bike racks. Outside the Midnight Oil 
show was a little sketchy, but we had three locks between two bikes. 
Luckily everything was still there when we left.

Now, to organize the So Cal Rivendell "Owners and Appreciators" ride ;)

Ben

On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 4:19:52 PM UTC-7 Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:

> Seeing Midnight Oil live is always a treat -- I've seen them three or four 
> times -- but being able to bike to the show is an extra treat!
>
> Bob E
> Cranford, NJ
>
> On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 1:14:13 AM UTC-4 Jimmy Warren wrote:
>
>>
>> I plead guilty on all counts! Great to meet you outside the concert, Ben! 
>> Sweet Rammy!
>>
>> On Jun 8, 2022, at 11:02 AM, Joe Bunik  wrote:
>>
>> Wow, Mike!!!
>>
>> Notwithstanding the legend of the RPV Oil/RBW superfan, I was **also** in 
>> SLO over the Mem Day weekend (regrets, it was but a quick lunch stop), and 
>> lookie what I spotted - who dis?!?
>>
>> (bad bike-pile photo / am sure everyone here is capable of the quick 
>> forensic reading to recognize "ONE OF US")
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 10:38 AM Mike Godwin  wrote:
>>
>>> Cool
>>> I was at the local Ace Hardware here in San Luis Obispo, and got 
>>> comments on my BMC Monstercross from Rivvy folks. So, yes I have a Riv too. 
>>> Jarrod and Ariel (howdy!) We chatted in the parking lot for a while, 
>>> apparently standing too close to a parking spot that a giant SUV with Texas 
>>> plates was trying to park in. Couldn't they have just moved 50 ft along and 
>>> found one of the many empty parking spots?  I digress, but it was nice 
>>> running into some new folks in town. And two blocks later, ran into Mitch B 
>>> on his Atlantis (Hi Mitch). Good Riv day in windy-as-heck San Luis Obispo.
>>>
>>> Mike supposed to be at work in warm and windy SLO CA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 10:07:12 AM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hey Everybody!
 Last night I rode my Rambouillet to see Midnight Oil play in Los 
 Angeles. While looking for a safe place to lock up, a man in line 
 approached me because he was also a big RIv fan. We chatted, took 
 pictures, 
 but I can't remember his name. I think he said he lives in Palos Verdes.

 Anyway, Palos Verdes Midnight OIl superfan Riv dude. If you're here. 
 say hi! I've been meaning to try to make an L.A. area Riv enthusiast ride 
 happen. Maybe this is a good sign!

 Cheers!
 Ben

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[RBW] Riv Enthusiast at Midnight Oil show

[Ben Adrian]

Hey Everybody!
Last night I rode my Rambouillet to see Midnight Oil play in Los Angeles. 
While looking for a safe place to lock up, a man in line approached me 
because he was also a big RIv fan. We chatted, took pictures, but I can't 
remember his name. I think he said he lives in Palos Verdes.

Anyway, Palos Verdes Midnight OIl superfan Riv dude. If you're here. say 
hi! I've been meaning to try to make an L.A. area Riv enthusiast ride 
happen. Maybe this is a good sign!

Cheers!
Ben

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[RBW] Re: Fender Wobble

[Ben Adrian]

I finally got around to taking the fenders and front rack/bag off of my 
bike. I only had time for a short ride, but it does seem to have a 
significant change of feel. I never though that it handled poorly with the 
front rack. The best way to put it is that maybe the bike seems "sleepy" 
with the front rack and bag. One thing I did notice is that it really wants 
to be a wheelie machine without the front rack. My front wheel kept coming 
up when climbing steep hills.

Tonight I have a longer ride planned with a friend. We'll see how it does 
with a non-trivial distance.

Cheers!
Ben
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 10:13:08 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> In spite of how often people do it and seem fine with it, I *really *don't 
> like front loads on Rivs. Even the weight of a porteur rack with no load 
> was enough to make my steering feel sketchy. Did you have the problem 
> before you installed it? 
>
> On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 10:04:52 PM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> [image: A2D2E895-1FB7-4121-A081-8CDCC4E9F3E4.jpeg]I’ve never used a rear 
>> bag… just an under seat wrap.
>> I had a handlebar bag for a bit, and now a front porteur rack with an 
>> average bag on top. It’s usually pretty light.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 5:24:57 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> You might get rid of some fender wobble with a bolt-tightening session 
>>> at all the mounting points, it's not my experience that SKS fenders move 
>>> around much. 
>>>
>>> The wobble you feel in turns is concerning and probably not fender 
>>> related. What's the bags/racks situation on your Ram?
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 5:14:55 PM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hey all! 

 I have SKS Fenders on my Ram. I live in L.A., so I rarely need them. 
 Still, there are puddles of gross water, damp mornings, and smatterings of 
 rain, so I really appreciate them when I need them and I leave them on. 
 Now, they do move a bit when riding. I'll look down and see them moving 
 from bumps and wind. I know they're not the best fenders and I'm okay with 
 that.

 There's something else that happens on this bike. When cornering, I 
 sometimes feel it getting a little noodle-y. There is a wobble, and not 
 all 
 the time. It never feel dangerous, but it is a bit disheartening and 
 weird. 
 I'm wondering of the lateral wobble of the fenders is also giving a wobble 
 to the cornering sometimes. Perhaps it's something else, and the wiggling 
 fenders are becoming the scapegoat.

 So, anyone else have anything like this happen? My instinct is to just 
 take them off and see if it happens again. I guess the result would be the 
 same either way; it's the old fenders so I buy nicer fenders because I 
 like 
 having them, or it is the fenders, I fix it with the fenders off and I buy 
 nicer fenders because I like having them.

 Cheers!
 Ben

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Which rims did Rivendell endorse in the early days?

[Ben Adrian]

I scored a set of Mavic Open Pro rims for free when buying another wheelset 
on Craigslist. The guy just threw them in. 
I built them up with some Ultegra 6500 hubs and it's a strong, 
straightforward, and reasonable light wheel set that is adjustable and 
rebuildable with standard tools. 
I don't know if they were "riv endorsed", but they fit the spirit of Riv as 
I believe in it; graceful and durable bikes that can be worked on for years 
and built with industry standard parts that cab be rebuilt or replaced 
indefinitely.

On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 2:59:54 PM UTC-7 jbu...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'll second the RC-540 use, in fact I have an early Riv wheelset with
> these. The rear rim has a few issues but is still running strong. I
> was able to secure a backup replacement for it from RBW but I haven't
> yet needed to relace.
>
> Joe Bunik
> Walnut Creek, CA
>
> On 4/12/22, Andrew Turner  wrote:
> > Thanks for the intel. Good ol' Sheldon Brown mentions using Araya 
> RC-540's
> > on his Ram and wouldn't ya know it I found some in stock. Good to know.
> > On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 9:01:01 AM UTC-5 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >> Andrew, I am not sure what Rivendell suggested but on my early Riv 700c
> >> bikes I always used Mavic MA2 I believe.
> >>
> >> On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 9:46:00 AM UTC-4 Andrew Turner wrote:
> >>
> >>> Specifically, on the road models. I'm pretty sure my dad's Rambouillet
> >>> has some Araya's but I'm not sure what model. If anyone knows 
> specifics,
> >>>
> >>> I'm all ears.
> >>>
> >>> Backstory: I have a wheelset with nice hubs I want to reuse but the 
> rims
> >>>
> >>> have lived a life already. I'm fine with A23's or something similarly
> >>> modern, but NOS always peaks my interest. Plus, these older caliper
> >>> brakes
> >>> seem to gel a little better with the narrower rims of their era since 
> the
> >>>
> >>> spring gets to contract a little more.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers!
> >>> Andrew
> >>>
> >>
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Re: [RBW] Fender Wobble

[Ben Adrian]

Hey all! Thanks for all the advice so far. When I see Fender wobble my 
brain goes more to a telecaster with a Bigsby... not my bike!
Here are responses to questions and comments.

At one point my rear wheel went out of true. I trued it and found one spoke 
was totally slack. I though that would fix it, but no. I will go back and 
check spoke tension. Just because it's straight doesn't mean there's not a 
tension problem.

I've had strap and clamp on handlebar bags. It has wobbled with those. I 
have done very few rides with nothing on the bike. I will remove fenders 
and racks and all bags and go do some cornering; see if I can make the 
problem happen with fewer variables.

I've checked headset. Will re-check skewers and wheel tightness. Also, will 
check hub bearings for play.

I don't have a lot of fender experience. These SKS fenders came used with 
the bike. I've watched videos and I'm pretty handy mechanically. The struts 
have flex in them that is not very damped. I can whack the fender laterally 
with my hand and it will oscillate for about 1-2seconds. It's like a fast 
pendulum swaying from the mounting points.

I just went to the garage to check, and there's a crack in the rear fender 
on the left lower strut. Maybe this is it. It can flex to hit the tire, and 
it might be bouncing against the wheel as I turn. Maybe it's been a broken 
fender all along.

It's not supposed to rain for a while. Off with the fenders soon for 
testing!

Cheers!
Ben






On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 9:07:30 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Shaking fenders won't make your bike mishandle in corners,  something else 
> is causing that. As others suggested, check tire pressure, wheel bearing 
> adjustment, fork bearing adjustment, or a wagging rear load (and even a 
> wagging rear load has to be pretty heavy to upset cornering).
>
> As to SKS fenders, I've used probably a dozen pairs, and  while they're 
> not as stiff as good, well installed metal ones, and while they do vibrate 
> visibly over bumps, none of mine, from 35s to 65s, have "wagged." Check the 
> mounting bolts, particularly under fork crown.
>
> Good luck, and let us know the cause when you find it.
>
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 6:14 PM Ben Adrian  wrote:
>
>> Hey all! 
>>
>> I have SKS Fenders on my Ram. I live in L.A., so I rarely need them. 
>> Still, there are puddles of gross water, damp mornings, and smatterings of 
>> rain, so I really appreciate them when I need them and I leave them on. 
>> Now, they do move a bit when riding. I'll look down and see them moving 
>> from bumps and wind. I know they're not the best fenders and I'm okay with 
>> that.
>>
>> There's something else that happens on this bike. When cornering, I 
>> sometimes feel it getting a little noodle-y. There is a wobble, and not all 
>> the time. It never feel dangerous, but it is a bit disheartening and weird. 
>> I'm wondering of the lateral wobble of the fenders is also giving a wobble 
>> to the cornering sometimes. Perhaps it's something else, and the wiggling 
>> fenders are becoming the scapegoat.
>>
>> So, anyone else have anything like this happen? My instinct is to just 
>> take them off and see if it happens again. I guess the result would be the 
>> same either way; it's the old fenders so I buy nicer fenders because I like 
>> having them, or it is the fenders, I fix it with the fenders off and I buy 
>> nicer fenders because I like having them.
>>
>

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[RBW] Fender Wobble

[Ben Adrian]

Hey all! 

I have SKS Fenders on my Ram. I live in L.A., so I rarely need them. Still, 
there are puddles of gross water, damp mornings, and smatterings of rain, 
so I really appreciate them when I need them and I leave them on. Now, they 
do move a bit when riding. I'll look down and see them moving from bumps 
and wind. I know they're not the best fenders and I'm okay with that.

There's something else that happens on this bike. When cornering, I 
sometimes feel it getting a little noodle-y. There is a wobble, and not all 
the time. It never feel dangerous, but it is a bit disheartening and weird. 
I'm wondering of the lateral wobble of the fenders is also giving a wobble 
to the cornering sometimes. Perhaps it's something else, and the wiggling 
fenders are becoming the scapegoat.

So, anyone else have anything like this happen? My instinct is to just take 
them off and see if it happens again. I guess the result would be the same 
either way; it's the old fenders so I buy nicer fenders because I like 
having them, or it is the fenders, I fix it with the fenders off and I buy 
nicer fenders because I like having them.

Cheers!
Ben

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Re: [RBW] Items for sale to help a friend

[Ben Adrian]

Hey Everyone!
I bought the Carradice Keswick bag from Joe, but it's not working out for 
me. It sits a little high on the handlebars for my taste. I have it on drop 
bars. It might be better for flat or riser bars.
It's in fantastic shape and includes a shoulder strap, the bottom light 
mount, and and two Klickfix mounts. 
$80 and I'll split actual shipping.
No photos yet, but it's Black and looks just like the one on the website.
https://carradice.co.uk/shop/handlebar-bags/originals-keswick-handlebar-bag-5l/

Cheers!
Ben

On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 1:26:15 PM UTC-8 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks to those who bought the cranks and bags. Here's what still 
> available:
>
>
> 4. Thomson Masterpiece 27.2x330 set back seat post - $80
>
>- Used with a few scratches as shown in the photos
>
> 5. MKS GR-9 platform pedals with cages and VO leather straps - make an 
> offer!
>
> 6. Roadrunner bags cell phone pouch - $25
>
>- Great condition with no signs of use
>
> 7. GB Stem 12cm - make an offer!
>
> 8. Billingham 335 camera bag - $275 or make an offer
>
>- Almost new 
>- Almost fits into a Wald 137 basket. Will easily fit into Wald 139
>
> Photos of everything here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/Dg7Avy3hQT6A1xdF7
>
> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 1:22:49 PM UTC-8 Joe Mullins wrote:
>
>> Cranks are sold thank you!
>>
>>
>> On Feb 1, 2022, at 9:52 AM, Joe Mullins  wrote:
>>
>> Keswick and and Zeitgesit are pending sale. Thanks!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 31, 2022, at 10:52 PM, Ben Adrian  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Fantastic. 
>>
>> No rush on my end. Just hang on to it and I can grab it when schedules 
>> are better.
>> I’m happy to PayPal or Venmo any time, or can do cash in person.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Ben
>>
>> On Jan 31, 2022, at 10:49 PM, Joe Mullins  wrote:
>>
>> Great thanks Ben! I work until probably 8-9pm tomorrow and not sure what 
>> hours the rest of the week. I’m in production so long hours for me until 
>> the weekend. I’d be happy to meet as I’m close by in Mt. Washington. 
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Joe
>> 818-590-8377 <(818)%20590-8377>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 31, 2022, at 10:46 PM, Ben Adrian  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Hey Joe
>>
>> I’ll take the carradice bag if it’s still available. I live in Echo Park 
>> so maybe I can just pick it up sometime? Happy to pay right away, though.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Ben Adrian
>> 510-543-6407 <(510)%20543-6407>
>>
>> On Jan 31, 2022, at 10:19 PM, Joe Mullins  wrote:
>>
>>  
>>
>> *I will be updating this list of items for sale as I take more pictures, 
>> gather more prices, and decide what else to part with.
>>
>> I’ve been inspired by Riv’s spirit of supporting those in need and have 
>> decided that 100% of the proceeds of everything that sells will go to 
>> support a friend who’s mother is battling ALS, also known as Lou Gehrig’s 
>> disease—a rare and progressive neurological disease that primarily affects 
>> the nerve cells responsible for controlling voluntary muscle movement.
>>
>> A little over a year ago, my good friend Marisa’s mother was diagnosed 
>> with ALS. It has been an agonizing year for both of them. The emotional 
>> toll is immeasurable. Given the fact that her mother lives nearly three 
>> hours away and requires round the clock care, Marisa has begun to fall into 
>> financial hardship while spending time caring for her mom. She is a 
>> hairdresser in Los Angeles and she can’t cut her clients’ hair while caring 
>> for her mom up in Santa Maria.
>>
>> Some close friends and I are hoping that we can chip in to support her so 
>> that she can spend what time remains with her mother being present and not 
>> worrying about the unmanageable debt that’s piling up.
>>
>> Prices are what I estimate they are worth given current market value but 
>> if you feel like being generous, know that 100% of it goes to my friend. I 
>> ask that you please add $15 for shipping. The actual cost to ship from Los 
>> Angeles may be more or it may be less. If its less, that will go to my 
>> friend too. If it’s more, I will cover the difference.
>>
>> Some items may be bicycle-adjacent (camera bags, etc.) Under normal 
>> circumstances I’d never post non-bike items for sale in the group but since 
>> it goes to a good cause, I figure it does more good than harm.
>>
>> Thanks in advance to anyone who might buy some of this stuff! 
>>
>> -Joe
>>
>>
>&g

Re: [RBW] How do you track mileage?

[Ben Adrian]

Hey Joe and all!

I just use a standard GPS bike computer and have it set to auto-load it 
to both Strava and RIdeWithGPS.


I do al kinda of riding on all kinds of bikes; Rivendell cruising, 
gravel rides, club road rides, commuting and utilitarian riding. My 
carbon gravel/road bike has a power meter, speed sensor, and cadence 
sensor. Plus, I will wear a heart rate monitor. I don't live and die by 
these numbers, but the Garmin keeps track and lets me know how my 
fitness is holding up. I don't need those sensors when I ride my other 
bikes, though, and the Garmin just does fine on GPS alone. Plus, I'm a 
map nerd and I love having everythign available without having to get my 
phone out.


I know the Riv ethos and GPS computers are sometimes at odds. I've heard 
of plenty of people who start the ride on their computer and just toss 
it in their handlebar bag. It's just collecting the data for later use.


My Garmin has "profiles" I can customize like road, mountain, gravel, 
rando, commuting, etc. The main screen of my commuting profile is just 
map, speed, and distance. When I want to have a worry free ride, I don't 
need to see any performance data. It's pretty nice. When I do a quick 
pre-work, morning ride for exercise, I can see heart rate and power and 
make sure I push myself the right about in the short time available.


Anyway, Joe, if you ever want to do a ride around our neighborhood, talk 
music gear, bikes, and GPS computers, let me know. I think Ron Frazell 
and Hugh Smitham? are close-ish too? L.A. Riv List meetup?


Ben


On 3/1/2022 1:13 PM, Joe Mullins wrote:

? I’m curious what methods people are using.

I’ve occasionally tracked with a GPS watch only to never look back at the data, 
let alone tally up a cumulative mileage count. I mostly ride without tracking 
as it makes it less about the stats and more about the ride. But it would be 
fun to know how much I rode in a year, over the course of owning a bike, etc. I 
wish I knew how many miles are on the first Brooks saddle that I bought 15 or 
so years ago.

I was inspired by Pam’s post about 63,000 miles on a bike and Rapid Rise RD. 
How did you come up with that number?! How does everyone else who keeps track 
keep track?

Joe M.
Los Angeles


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Re: [RBW] Re: If a group of people may want to put an order in to Blue Lug

[Ben Adrian]

I was looking to do an order for some DT shifters, lights, bar tape, and 
a front rack. Shipping was $80. While still kind of a good deal for air 
freight from Japan, it's still much more that we Americans are used to 
paying. I took out the front rack and the shipping went down to $40.


So, I'd be down to do a group order, especially for SoCal friends. Also, 
I'm interested in your front racks and down tube shifters that you may 
have for sale ;)


Cheers!
Ben

On 2/15/2022 6:46 AM, exliontamer wrote:
I've put in an order recently  and have been amazed at how relatively 
quick and affordable it was. DHS is silly quick too. I think the key 
is getting odds & ends(exclusive grips, bar tape, that amazing x-pac 
zip up wallet, etc.) to make it worth while.


On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 10:27:04 PM UTC-6 Joel S wrote:

Excuse the iPad auto correct.

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On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 10:09 PM, 'JRStern11' via RBW Owners Bunch
 wrote:

Soviet, ir was over $30 to ship a $30 light so it would depend on
the shipping for a larger order and if it then makes sense.
 Logistics ok for me.

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On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 6:51 PM, Sofie C  wrote:

I actually thought of posting something similar -- there are a
lot of small things I'm interested in getting from Blue Lug, but
I find myself adding more to my cart than what I need to justify
the shipping cost I would be interested in going in on a
group order, but with two young kids and a ft job I'm not in a
position to handle the logistics of organizing one...
On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 6:47:31 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:

Jared thank you I sent them a message so hopefully they’ll
get back to me and if not I’ll give them a call. I really
appreciate it


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On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 6:33 PM, Justin 
wrote:

Joel, reach out to Jared or David at Hope Cyclery in
Johnstown PA. They are real sweethearts and get regular
Blue Lug orders and keep the Koma lights stocked.
https://hopecyclery.bigcartel.com/product/koma-light-rear
best
Justin
On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 2:48:10 PM UTC-7 Joel S wrote:

Shipping is very expensive. I have a hard tine
justifying paying more for shipping than for the 1 Koma
light I want to get. If there are others in this
situation maybe we can put in a larger order and save
on shipping.

I was using the Kiley lights but it seems they
redesigned them and a front light only gives 2 hours
now befor needing a recharged when on flash mode. My
Koma lights seem to last longer.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Heterodoxy — reconciling RBW with the mainstream

[Ben Adrian]

Okay, I'll jump in.

We're all on a bike mailing list specializing in once specific brand and 
type of bikes. Granted, they are more practical bikes than specialist 
bikes, but we're all still bike nerds here. I have a carbon gravel/road 
bike, a steel commuter and errand bike, and my Riv as my "zippy, do 
whatever" bike.


Now, in general, most people who are bike nerds tend to specialize in 
one or more specific types of riding; MTB, gravel, high performance 
road, randonneuring, etc. With bike nerdery come riding nerdery, I 
suppose. I can be extreme in both bike/component choice and riding 
choice. And while this is extreme in performance, it's kind of the 
mainstream for "people really into bikes."


Then, there are people who are kind of average, utilitarian riders. 
They're generally not bike nerds. My wife has an ebike for commuting, 
errands, and the occasional fun ride. It's like a Toyota Corolla... but 
a bike. The brand and the specs don't really matter so long as it's 
reliable and functional.


However, Riv bike owners/riders seems to appreciate both the 
practicality and utilitarian nature of these bikes, AND the gear head, 
bicycle craft, nice component nature of bikes. It's an uncommon 
crossover, and it's something I find I have to describe to both by 
extreme cycling friends AND my non-cycling friends who might just have 
their "errand bike."


But it's fun! I love maintaining my Riv. I love the classic look of my 
bike. I love being able to fix and maintain everything with a pretty 
basic tool set. I love the fact that I can find really nice parts for 
usually pretty cheap because they're not the latest modern standard. I 
love the joy of riding my very nice bike in everyday situations.


For me, I kind of enjoy playing around with the Riv trends because they 
usually work well. Here's how I've come to explain the Riv culture to 
people who aren't familiar. Riv bikes tend to take the best parts of 
practical bike design from the 70s, 80's and 90's and put them all 
together on one classic looking bike.


Cheers!
Ben
P.S. L.A. folks, we should all try to do a meetup soon-ish!

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Re: [RBW] Items for sale to help a friend

[Ben Adrian]

Fantastic. 

No rush on my end. Just hang on to it and I can grab it when schedules are 
better.
I’m happy to PayPal or Venmo any time, or can do cash in person.

Thanks!
Ben

> On Jan 31, 2022, at 10:49 PM, Joe Mullins  wrote:
> 
> Great thanks Ben! I work until probably 8-9pm tomorrow and not sure what 
> hours the rest of the week. I’m in production so long hours for me until the 
> weekend. I’d be happy to meet as I’m close by in Mt. Washington. 
> 
> Thanks,
> Joe
> 818-590-8377
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Jan 31, 2022, at 10:46 PM, Ben Adrian  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Hey Joe
>> 
>> I’ll take the carradice bag if it’s still available. I live in Echo Park so 
>> maybe I can just pick it up sometime? Happy to pay right away, though.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> Ben Adrian
>> 510-543-6407
>> 
>>>> On Jan 31, 2022, at 10:19 PM, Joe Mullins  wrote:
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> *I will be updating this list of items for sale as I take more pictures, 
>>> gather more prices, and decide what else to part with.
>>> 
>>> I’ve been inspired by Riv’s spirit of supporting those in need and have 
>>> decided that 100% of the proceeds of everything that sells will go to 
>>> support a friend who’s mother is battling ALS, also known as Lou Gehrig’s 
>>> disease—a rare and progressive neurological disease that primarily affects 
>>> the nerve cells responsible for controlling voluntary muscle movement.
>>> 
>>> A little over a year ago, my good friend Marisa’s mother was diagnosed with 
>>> ALS. It has been an agonizing year for both of them. The emotional toll is 
>>> immeasurable. Given the fact that her mother lives nearly three hours away 
>>> and requires round the clock care, Marisa has begun to fall into financial 
>>> hardship while spending time caring for her mom. She is a hairdresser in 
>>> Los Angeles and she can’t cut her clients’ hair while caring for her mom up 
>>> in Santa Maria.
>>> 
>>> Some close friends and I are hoping that we can chip in to support her so 
>>> that she can spend what time remains with her mother being present and not 
>>> worrying about the unmanageable debt that’s piling up.
>>> 
>>> Prices are what I estimate they are worth given current market value but if 
>>> you feel like being generous, know that 100% of it goes to my friend. I ask 
>>> that you please add $15 for shipping. The actual cost to ship from Los 
>>> Angeles may be more or it may be less. If its less, that will go to my 
>>> friend too. If it’s more, I will cover the difference.
>>> 
>>> Some items may be bicycle-adjacent (camera bags, etc.) Under normal 
>>> circumstances I’d never post non-bike items for sale in the group but since 
>>> it goes to a good cause, I figure it does more good than harm.
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance to anyone who might buy some of this stuff! 
>>> 
>>> -Joe
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ITEMS FOR SALE:
>>> 
>>> 1. Swift Industries Zeitgeist bag (2020 version) - $130
>>> 
>>> Barely used, only damage is a slight tear shown in one of the photos.
>>> 2. Carradice Keswick handlebar bag - $80
>>> 
>>> Comes with 2 Klickfix mounts for transferring between bikes
>>> Like new, purchased in 2020.
>>> 3. Sugino AT 170mm 3 speed cranks 24-34-46 - $100
>>> 
>>> The 34T & 46T chainrings are Sugino, the 24T is a steel Shimano
>>> 4. Thomson Masterpiece 27.2x330 set back seat post - $80
>>> 
>>> Used with a few scratches as shown in the photos
>>> 5. MKS GR-9 platform pedals with cages and VO leather straps - make an 
>>> offer!
>>> 
>>> 6. Roadrunner bags cell phone pouch - $25
>>> 
>>> Great condition with no signs of use
>>> 7. GB Stem 12cm - make an offer!
>>> 
>>> 8. Billingham 335 camera bag - $275
>>> 
>>> Almost new 
>>> Almost fits into a Wald 137 basket. Will easily fit into Wald 139
>>> Photos of everything here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/Dg7Avy3hQT6A1xdF7
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Re: [RBW] Items for sale to help a friend

[Ben Adrian]

Hey Joe

I’ll take the carradice bag if it’s still available. I live in Echo Park so 
maybe I can just pick it up sometime? Happy to pay right away, though.

Thanks!
Ben Adrian
510-543-6407

> On Jan 31, 2022, at 10:19 PM, Joe Mullins  wrote:
> 
> 
> *I will be updating this list of items for sale as I take more pictures, 
> gather more prices, and decide what else to part with.
> 
> I’ve been inspired by Riv’s spirit of supporting those in need and have 
> decided that 100% of the proceeds of everything that sells will go to support 
> a friend who’s mother is battling ALS, also known as Lou Gehrig’s disease—a 
> rare and progressive neurological disease that primarily affects the nerve 
> cells responsible for controlling voluntary muscle movement.
> 
> A little over a year ago, my good friend Marisa’s mother was diagnosed with 
> ALS. It has been an agonizing year for both of them. The emotional toll is 
> immeasurable. Given the fact that her mother lives nearly three hours away 
> and requires round the clock care, Marisa has begun to fall into financial 
> hardship while spending time caring for her mom. She is a hairdresser in Los 
> Angeles and she can’t cut her clients’ hair while caring for her mom up in 
> Santa Maria.
> 
> Some close friends and I are hoping that we can chip in to support her so 
> that she can spend what time remains with her mother being present and not 
> worrying about the unmanageable debt that’s piling up.
> 
> Prices are what I estimate they are worth given current market value but if 
> you feel like being generous, know that 100% of it goes to my friend. I ask 
> that you please add $15 for shipping. The actual cost to ship from Los 
> Angeles may be more or it may be less. If its less, that will go to my friend 
> too. If it’s more, I will cover the difference.
> 
> Some items may be bicycle-adjacent (camera bags, etc.) Under normal 
> circumstances I’d never post non-bike items for sale in the group but since 
> it goes to a good cause, I figure it does more good than harm.
> 
> Thanks in advance to anyone who might buy some of this stuff! 
> 
> -Joe
> 
> 
> 
> ITEMS FOR SALE:
> 
> 1. Swift Industries Zeitgeist bag (2020 version) - $130
> 
> Barely used, only damage is a slight tear shown in one of the photos.
> 2. Carradice Keswick handlebar bag - $80
> 
> Comes with 2 Klickfix mounts for transferring between bikes
> Like new, purchased in 2020.
> 3. Sugino AT 170mm 3 speed cranks 24-34-46 - $100
> 
> The 34T & 46T chainrings are Sugino, the 24T is a steel Shimano
> 4. Thomson Masterpiece 27.2x330 set back seat post - $80
> 
> Used with a few scratches as shown in the photos
> 5. MKS GR-9 platform pedals with cages and VO leather straps - make an offer!
> 
> 6. Roadrunner bags cell phone pouch - $25
> 
> Great condition with no signs of use
> 7. GB Stem 12cm - make an offer!
> 
> 8. Billingham 335 camera bag - $275
> 
> Almost new 
> Almost fits into a Wald 137 basket. Will easily fit into Wald 139
> Photos of everything here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/Dg7Avy3hQT6A1xdF7
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Re: [RBW] Re: Front Rack for Rambouillet

[Ben Adrian]

That is a great idea! Thanks!

Ben

On 1/27/2022 5:05 PM, iamkeith wrote:
Don't forget to look through the cyclofiend photo archives.  There are 
lots of examples there.

http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/rambouillet/index.html

I settled on a nitto handlebar bag support, that riv used to sell, on 
my ram.  I've posted pictures somewhere, but can do so again if you're 
inerested.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Front Rack for Rambouillet

[Ben Adrian]

I love this crazy, out of the box thinking, but 2 kgs seems like not 
quite enough load capacity.


Thanks!
Ben


On 1/28/2022 11:18 AM, Bill Lindsay wrote:
Here's an out-there suggestion for a "road" bike with no proper rack 
attachment points


Convert to Dia Compe GC610 centerpulls: 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/124254805889
Buy the Gran Compe ENE front rack: Dia-Compe Ene Front Rack Bag 
Luggage Carrier for Road Bikes Silver | eBay 
<https://www.ebay.com/itm/255277087645>
(optional), buy the adorable bag to fit: 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/333939881911
I ran this setup for a while on my Black Mountain Road, and it worked 
fine.  I ran a normal handlebar bag with a decaleur.


Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 11:45:00 AM UTC-8 bunny...@gmail.com 
wrote:


Hey all!

I have a Rambouillet which has caliper brakes as I'm sure most of
you know.

I'd love to put a rando style rack on the front. It only has
eyelets for
fenders, so I know I'll need to use hose/P clamps on the fork and a
mount at the brake bolt.

Anyway, I'd like to call on the experts here to find out what is the
favorite rack for this model. Any good front rack talk is
appreciated as
well.

    Cheers!
Ben Adrian



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[RBW] Front Rack for Rambouillet

[Ben Adrian]

Hey all!

I have a Rambouillet which has caliper brakes as I'm sure most of you know.

I'd love to put a rando style rack on the front. It only has eyelets for 
fenders, so I know I'll need to use hose/P clamps on the fork and a 
mount at the brake bolt.


Anyway, I'd like to call on the experts here to find out what is the 
favorite rack for this model. Any good front rack talk is appreciated as 
well.


Cheers!
Ben Adrian

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[RBW] Re: Velotaxonomy: What are we, anyway?

[Ben Adrian]

We're Fun-bikers. Fun-cyclists? I don't know. We live in a weird world 
where most of us love the bikes and the gear and the experience of riding, 
but maybe we don't want to go super hard or super-extreme.

I posted a photo of a ride on the Rivendellicious facebook group. A guy on 
the group recognized exactly where I was and we started chatting. Now we go 
for riv-style rides once or twice a month.

Having said all this, I still find myself in bicycle subgenres all the 
time. I have a friend with whom I do a lot of gravel riding and go on 
off-road adventures. I do lycra road riding with an organized club. I have 
some friends who ride for exercise and just want to do high intensity, 45 
minute morning rides. I have musician friends that ride bikes and we 
sometimes do rides just to hang out. I have friends from the Rivendell 
world. I'd love to pull some of these groups together, but realistically 
it's just hard to make the different styles come together. A lot of times 
I'll just send a ride invite to a bunch of friends, and then I tailor the 
ride and choose my bike based on who says yes ;)

Cheers!
Ben
On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 9:57:42 AM UTC-8 Ian A wrote:

> You might be able to find a MeetUp Group or Touring Cyclist  style group , 
> neither tend to be competitive. Randonneur clubs often have a Populaire 
> which is typically a full day style 100km (60mile) ride and every type of 
> rider shows up to those, even parent/child tandem riders and it is a lot of 
> fun.
>
> If there is no MeetUp Group on your area or nothing that is what you are 
> looking for, there is an opportunity to start one and see how it goes. When 
> I lived in Vancouver, I started group riding with a MeetUp Group on 
> Saturdays and it was fun for a while. Then I found the BC Randonneurs and 
> that was fantastic until I rode off to Tierra del Fuego. Distance riding 
> got under my skin!
>
> IanA (back north in) Alberta Canada 
>
> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 7:31:09 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> [image: 0168267B-AB4E-4252-B2D2-09FC827BCB73.jpeg]We recently moved to 
>> SW Michigan. I was a total Lone Wolf (borrowing from Eben Weiss, The Bike 
>> Snob) in Vegas but I dream of having Real Life Bike Friends here. This List 
>> has really been a gift to me, but it has also made me want more: I want 
>>  REAL people and REAL experiences with them. I have found a shop that hosts 
>> rides of various kinds 9 months out of the year. There is hope!
>>
>> The trouble is: I don’t know what I am, and neither does anyone else. 
>>
>> I have never done a group ride. I don’t know how fast or slow I am, and I 
>> don’t know how far I can go. I don’t know etiquette or what would tick off 
>> other riders in the group. (My “group rides” were with my 2 sons on the way 
>> to school. And it’s true that you learn a rhythm that works for your group 
>> and on the rare occasion my husband got included, he made us all nervous.) 
>> I would like to have a good first experience and not be a drag for a group. 
>> I think failure would send me right back into Lone Wolfdom. I suppose I 
>> will just have to risk it.
>>
>> When I say I ride, everyone thinks Roadie, and then they think of their 
>> friend who is also a Roadie and want to plan a meeting for us. Now, I doubt 
>> I’m going to keep up with a group of road bikes on my Platypus. When I say 
>> I don’t have a road bike, the person will say, “Oh, you like to mountain 
>> bike!” When I try to explain, try to say what it is that I ride, I don’t 
>> have words. If I admit I don’t have a road bike or mountain bike people 
>> assume hybrid bike from big box store = not a serious rider. I don’t know 
>> what I am. I don’t know what “we” are. Where do bikes like ours fit? Who do 
>> we ride with?
>>
>> In looking at local events online, it seems there are Roadies and there 
>> are Gravel Kings (my own term). If I roll up on my fendered, raspberry 
>> sparkle Platypus, both groups will be uncomfortable. 
>>
>> My shop did mention some community rides, and those I will try, though I 
>> suspect they might be short and slow for my taste. There are some very 
>> exciting events state-wide here, but they do seem to be geared to road 
>> bikers. I admit that I know very little about bike culture here, and 
>> talking to real people might open up a lot of possibilities. Where are 
>> these people I can talk to?!
>>
>> The locals tell me spring will be here in March. I’ve got 2 months to 
>> figure out where I fit, Rivsters. 
>>
>> Who can relate? Who has words of wisdom? Who just wants to commiserate? 
>> Are we the outcasts of bike culture or are we unicorns? Where are we in the 
>> Velotaxonomy? How do we make the cool people take us seriously? Should I 
>> buy Lycra? 
>>
>> What I wouldn’t give for a couple of RivSisters living locally…
>> Leah
>>
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[RBW] Re: Bar end vs Downtube

[Ben Adrian]

I love the idea of downtube shifters; simplicity, good looks, easy packing, 
disassembly, and repair, etc. However, as soon as I'm off road, bar-end 
shifters become much nicer and down tube is a giant pain.

Right now, I have downtube shifters on my Ram. However, I'm still getting 
my bars and stem length set up. Once I have a setup that I like, I might 
move my shifters. I think the plan is to just use DTs until they drive me 
crazy... then I'll switch ;)

Ben

On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 2:26:43 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> DT for front is great because it's an occasional reach for one or two big 
> shifts but I've never gotten along well with it for the rear, I run my bars 
> too high for the reach to work for me. It's probably fine if your bars are 
> at or below saddle level. 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 11:01:06 AM UTC-8 atreya...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I am debating bar end vs down tube shifters for the upcoming homer build. 
>> I like the simplicity and aesthetics of down tube but concerned how 
>> “inconvenient “ they could be given longish geometry of rivs. For non 
>> racing and just riding for pleasure usecases does it matter .I am also 
>> considering going downtube for FD and bar end for RD. If over time I find 
>> downtube comfortable enough switch both to downtube . Would love to hear 
>> groups thoughts and experience.
>
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[RBW] Re: Looking for Rim Advice

[Ben Adrian]

I'm a pretty handy home mechanic and have never had tire mounting problems 
until now.
I've had fine luck with Bontrager, Reynolds, DT 411, DT Spline, WTB, 
Pacenti, HED, etc.

This DT 1.1 rim seems to have almost no center channel it's pretty much 
straight across. I've never seen anything like it. General internet chatter 
seems to mention the difficulty of mounting tires on these 1.1 rims. The 
Open Pro is difficult, but doable. The DT seems to have problems with any 
tires that are made to tubeless compatible specs.

My main concern is just being stranded. When I got the bike it took two 
tire levers and a screwdriver to remove the Schwalbe tires that came on it. 
I know that was bad form, but I had no other options at the moment. If I 
got a front flat even with the tires I have on the rims now, I still don't 
think I'd be able to fix it on the road. To further the story, I then put 
those Schwalbe tires right on my Pacenti Forza rims by hand and with zero 
problems.

My only other thought is to check overall tension of the wheel. I've 
radially trued many wheels. Maybe it just needs to be pulled in all 
around... which also seems like a bad idea.

Anyway, that's my story.
Thanks everyone.
Ben


On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 5:51:41 AM UTC-8 lconley wrote:

> I have changed to using Veloplugs on all of my wheels (tubeless would be 
> an insane maintenance nightmare on 20+ bicycles). I put them on all of my 
> new wheels and change to them on old wheels whenever I remove a tire for 
> some reason. They are lighter than cloth rim tape, easier to install and 
> reusable. They seem to be slicker than rim tape so it is easier to center 
> the tire on the low center of the rim which makes the tire easier to 
> mount/dismount. 
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
>
> On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 8:16:21 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>
>> Ben, not so fast with ditching what you have ! Tire mounting difficulty 
>> can be as much the tire as the rim though but often it seems to come down 
>> to technique and/or thinn-er rim tape. After years of using Velox, I 
>> changed to nylon strapping tape, it's the kind that cords of nylon in it 
>> and comes in a variety of widths. Super strong, one single layer with a 
>> slight overlap where I began. Also, make sure the opposite bead is in the 
>> middle groove when doing either side as the middle has a smaller ERD than 
>> the bead shelf.  
>>
>> Here's some videos that show it. 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvvXrlAUUfU  From Global cycling Network,
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPWBbDR3oag  From a wheelbuilder @ 
>> Velcoity\ 
>>
>> On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 1:39:16 PM UTC-5 bunny...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all!
>>>
>>> I recently picked up a Rambouillet. I'm really liking it except for the 
>>> rims. It has an Open Pro and a DT RR 1.1. The DT especially is VERY 
>>> difficult to mount and unmount tires. Mainly, though, I'd just like to run 
>>> 35mm tires.
>>>
>>> I really like the hubs, and I've built wheels before. I'm looking for 
>>> rims that I can easily swap out. Not switching spokes is a plus. Right now 
>>> it seems like Velocity A23 and Mavic A316 both have the same ERD, so I 
>>> should be able to just swap them on. Any reviews, pros/cons of these rims. 
>>> Also, is there anything else I should check out?
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>> Ben
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Looking for Rim Advice

[Ben Adrian]

Hey all!

I recently picked up a Rambouillet. I'm really liking it except for the 
rims. It has an Open Pro and a DT RR 1.1. The DT especially is VERY 
difficult to mount and unmount tires. Mainly, though, I'd just like to run 
35mm tires.

I really like the hubs, and I've built wheels before. I'm looking for rims 
that I can easily swap out. Not switching spokes is a plus. Right now it 
seems like Velocity A23 and Mavic A316 both have the same ERD, so I should 
be able to just swap them on. Any reviews, pros/cons of these rims. Also, 
is there anything else I should check out?

Cheers!
Ben

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[RBW] Re: 2021 Appaloosa video

[Ben Adrian]

I enjoyed both of Eric's riv-related videos. I just put them on in a little 
window while working and it's a nice little soundtrack and occasional eye 
candy to enhance the boring parts of the work day.

Ben

On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 8:08:36 PM UTC-8 Drw wrote:

> Not to promote thread drift, but firebox is having a pretty good "black 
> friday" (not sure why they are calling that) sale going on right now. 
> picked up some christmas gifts. 
>
> On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 6:21:00 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Ah, nice, Pam! Looks like they have a ton of nice camping and cooking 
>> videos on YouTube. I'll try to resist, I've got a lot of stoves: Trangia, 
>> charcoal Weber, old green Coleman and we heat the house with a Jotul 
>> woodstove in the winter. 
>>
>> On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 11:15:06 PM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.fireboxstove.com/
>>> I have the Gen2 nano in stainless and love it.  Beware watching the 
>>> videos.  You'll want one.  Don't watch them if you may be tempted.  But 
>>> they are super practical - just like Rivs.  If it's just me, this is what I 
>>> use instead of my Weber.  And sticks are abundant.
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 7:47:24 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thanks, Drew! Can you point me to some of the firebox videos you 
 reference? 

 On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 1:44:03 PM UTC-5 Drw wrote:

> Both videos are great. Somehow very calming. I've become somewhat 
> addicted to the firebox stove videos which evoke a similar feeling... 
> maybe 
> it's river noises in the background. Thanks for sharing!
> On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 10:29:40 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Dang, thanks everyone for your kind replies! I'm so glad to hear 
>> you've enjoyed the vid, thanks for spending some time. 
>>
>> David: The clouds passing at the higher altitudes in the mountains is 
>> lovely! 
>>
>> Ben: Ha! I was a bit fried when I first got the Appaloosa, I guess it 
>> all boils away in the production. 
>>
>> Hugh: The soundtrack is small rapids I recorded nearby on the 
>> Rappahannock River. I'm glad you liked it :) 
>>
>> On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 12:54:45 PM UTC-5 Hugh Smitham 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Very enjoyable video to watch, I particularly enjoyed the babbling 
>>> stream soundtrack while you worked in your shop.
>>>
>>> Hugh 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 10:09:33 AM UTC-8 
>>> eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hi everyone -- I made a video about my Appaloosa which I got new 
 this summer and had built up at Rivendell. Shows the unpacking and 
 assembly 
 along with some riding footage from out here in Virginia! 

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNmhe_hEQ48

>>>

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