Re: [RBW] Re: Bleriot Build is Coming Along
This may have been covered before on this thread, if so, sorry. What is the pressure listed on the sidewall of the tire (as max pressure)? Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Tue, 7/6/10, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote: From: S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Bleriot Build is Coming Along To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 3:07 AM 79.82 miles today. Got 'er taped twined, computer on, bailed on the Brooks Swift for my saddle of saddles [even if it doesn't look quite 'right' on the Bleriot to my eye]: the WTB Pure V. That said, I tend not to see it much while riding. ;-) Took the rubbers to 80psi front rear... so far, this bike -and the build parts- an absolute blast to ride!! -Scott On Jul 4, 6:27 pm, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote: Solid, will do. If I blow 'em off the rims on a high-speed Alpine descent [all things being relative, mind you]... Chloe will be 'visiting' you. ;-) -Scott On Jul 4, 5:46 pm, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 7/4/10 1:24 PM, S.Cutshall at clotht...@gmail.com wrote: Still trying to acclimate to these Nifty Swifty's. Really like the soft'ish feel on bumpy stuff, but taking corners at higher speeds/and climbing steepy's... not so sure I am in Like with them. I keep thinking the rear is flat'ing and/or I am going to fishtail the rear of the bike out from under me. Try bumping 'em up about five pounds to start. That's the feeling that usually triggers a refill for me on the JB's. Thanks for posting the updated images - that setup looks top-notch. - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Your Photos are needed! - Send them here -http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines I threw one leg over my battle-scarred all-terrain stump-jumper and rode several miles to work. I'd sprayed it with some cheap gold paint so it wouldn't look nice. Locked my bike to a radiator, because you never knew, and went in. -- Neal Stephenson, Zodiac -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bleriot vs. Quickbeam efficiency
I am thinking of some hetre's to replace my col de la vie's on my Bleriot, so I would be very interested in your further evaluation of the new soma's Jim D Massachusetts --- On Fri, 5/21/10, Tyler mock...@gmail.com wrote: From: Tyler mock...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Bleriot vs. Quickbeam efficiency To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, May 21, 2010, 10:44 PM I've known about the Soma New Xpress for awhile but assumed it won't be a good choice for me, especially since it's described as being somewhere between the hetre and the col de la vie in speed. I stopped by Box Dog Bikes on the way home to pick up a pair of Cypres's. I mounted them and took the bleriot for a spin around the neighborhood. Even on the short ride I noticed a significant difference; much less of that sluggish feeling and almost no hesitation when pedaling out of the saddle. This is promising. I also liked the fact that I can remove and reinstall both wheels without having to deflate the tire. Tomorrow I'll take the bike up some hills to see if that's improved as well. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] 650B Quickbeam? (was: Pacenti Pari-Moto 650B Tires?)
I think that Ron Lau (sp?) converted a Quickbeam to 650B. It was in the gallery at one point. Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Thu, 5/13/10, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote: From: Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] 650B Quickbeam? (was: Pacenti Pari-Moto 650B Tires?) To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 2:16 PM You have a 650B Quickbeam? How did I miss that? What's the scoop on that - braking, BB height, handling, etc? Philip McMinnville, Ore. (700C QB) On May 13, 10:54 am, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote: They're meant to be what Hetres were originally supposed to be--a 38mm slick. The hetres turned out to be a bit fatter than that and don't fit as many bikes as a 38 should. I have Hetres on my Quickbeam but the PariMoto's will be a better option for my Saluki! Steve -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of rinjin Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 1:47 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Pacenti Pari-Moto 650B Tires? I think it's great that Pacenti is getting new tires made (see the recent discussion about 650B tire choices and the apocalypse), but I'm still a little unclear on how the new Pari Motos are different from (or superior to) the Hetres. A little skinnier and a little slicker? I have to say the Hetres are hard to beat. Plush, light, durable, attractive, easy to mount. Hmmm, come to think of it, maybe I will stockpile a few. Curious to hear from folks who've ridden them both. Brian On May 12, 7:58 am, Patrick in VT psh...@drm.com wrote: On May 11, 9:32 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: They are called event tires as in, you would race with them. I suppose that means roofing tacks should be avoided the durability of this tire will be the deal-breaker for me. i understand folks wanting a tire just a bit smaller than the hetre to make things work better on particular frames. but a 38mm tire begs to be ridden off-road, wherever that might take you. so far, the hetre is more than up to task on this front. if the pari-moto is too fragile for some rough stuff, my pre-order will be my last. personally, i was hoping for a tire like this in the 33-35 range. maybe grand bois will fill that void. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] First ride
Nice write up anne. enjoy the bike. Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Sat, 5/1/10, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: From: Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] First ride To: rbw-owners-bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, May 1, 2010, 7:27 PM Today I picked up my little beauty, the green Roadeo my husband got me for my birthday. Naturally I didn't want to coop up the new arrival (or myself) in a car right away, so first we took a little jaunt up to the top of Mount Diablo, its ancestral homeland. What a perfect day! Not too hot, and plenty of orange poppies, purple lupine and yellow mustard remain from a beautiful flower year. The bike is splendid. Very, very comfortable; somehow, as with all Rivendells, the body position is exactly right. Gorgeous, with tan tape contrasting with the bright dark green paint. (I ordered a black Barley for it from Peter Jon White, but now I think a tan bag, or the green Barley, would look better. Oh well.) Wants to descend faster than I want to descend. Feels perfect when I'm out of the saddle. My friends that I ride with will be able to admire it from the rear. I still have to do some tweaking. Riv put on Jack Browns, which are fine tires but this bike, which is pretty much entirely for climbing on pavement, will get narrower tires to save weight, and the Jack Browns will go on some lesser bike. I rode today with toeclips because I didn't want to get used to clip-in pedals on a new bike on a longish ride, but Speedplay Frogs will go on it tonight or tomorrow. And the elderly saddlebag currently on it will be replaced by a spanking new, appropriately small Barley. But already it's great. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] WTB: 57cm Beriot
Have one. Great bike. Even if I got a Hunq. I do not think I would part with mine.Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Sat, 5/1/10, jandrews_nyc jasonaschwa...@gmail.com wrote: From: jandrews_nyc jasonaschwa...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] WTB: 57cm Beriot To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, May 1, 2010, 10:42 PM I'm always on the lookout for a 57cm Bleriot frameset. And have passed on a couple, stupidly... Just thought I'd see if anyone out there is ready to part with one? Thanks! Jason -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Speed Up My Sam
I would think that over 100 miles, the comfort of a Riv would make up for fewer ounces on the bike. However, I am thinking that Rodeo would be a good option for your future . Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Mon, 4/26/10, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: From: cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Speed Up My Sam To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 12:17 PM Don't know if it'll give you ~2mph , but I'd ditch the JB Blues. Either go with Greens, or better yet Grand Bois Cypres 31s. Those are the nicest rolling tires I even ever had the privilege of using. I found them too delicate for day in and day out use, but I think they would shine on the events you mentioned. If it won't compromise comfort over distance, maybe lower your bars 1-2 cm from where they are as well. Speaking of bars, maybe go narrower to get a little bit less drag. You mentioned 36 spoke, but what kind of rim? I'd recommend 28 hole Velocity Aeroheads if you really want to go all out. Those plus the Cypres... you'd be set (maybe). Have fun! On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote: Alright, this will probably sound un-Rivish,...please don't pick my bones over. I'm new to this type of bicycle. I need my commuter/tourer Sam to go faster, if possible. I have a slate of century rides and a 200 km brevet lined up for the summer and I'm being dropped by my riding companions who are significantly less fit and heavier than I am, but are riding zippy road bikes (including my old Roubaix). I'm about 1.5 to 3 mph slower over the same course than I was on road bike. I've never been a racer but I really don't want my centuries to take 7 hours and I don't think I can make up the difference with pure horsepower. I'm planning on a second bike to take on this duty, but that will be at least a year away. So, where would this group look to speed up my Sam? Wheels? Tires? I'm riding 36 spoke wheels with Jack Brown Blues. And if it just can't be done, tell me so and I'll practice smelling the flowers until I can come up with the appropriate tool for the described job. D.G. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New Bleriot Owner; Mushing thru turns
I ride and like the Cdlv tires. I am north of 250 and I have the tires pumped up to 65 front and back. No problems last season or so far this season at these pressures. Jim D Massachusetts --- On Fri, 4/23/10, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: From: cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: New Bleriot Owner; Mushing thru turns To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, April 23, 2010, 10:33 AM Hope you like 'em, Ray. I'm quite fond of the CdlV tires. BTW, I recall sidewall listing is the 1/2 way point for the pressure that blows them off the rim. So if blow off =100psi, then they put inflate to 50psi on the sidewall. It isn't the optimum pressure based on weight, conditions, etc. YMMV On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 6:06 AM, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Thanks to folks who responded to my quandry about the Col da la Vie tires. As one of you suggested, I know that Schwalbes would give a surer ride. I have those on two other bikes, and you are correct. In fact, that's what prompted my question to the list because I am used to a stiffer tire. I guess what I meant to ask is does the 650B size have anything to do with the squishy ride, but when I think about it, I know it can't. (?) When I ride to the office this morn, I'll pump those tires up to 50-55 and report back. Several of you apparently disregard the sidewall advisement to max out at 50 lbs. I'll do the same. Thanks to all, so far. Ray From: MikeC mecinib...@sbcglobal.net To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, April 22, 2010 6:34:03 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: New Bleriot Owner; Mushing thru turns I also weigh 175 lbs and I ride 700x35 pumped to 65 psi back/55 psi front. Could probably go down to 55 in back, but I wouldn't want to ride on 45 psi. -MikeC On Apr 22, 8:12 pm, Ray r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: So, as I mentioned, I purchased a cherry size 59 Bleriot from another list member two weeks back. It came in a box last week, and I have been commuting on it this week. Great fitting, comfortable bike. It's different than my other Riv's in that it rolls along on 650Bs and 35mm Col de la Vies. Aside from my slow uptake on remembering to keep the inside pedal up when negotiating a turn (numerous bone-head pedal strikes to my discredit) the next strangest thing are the tires. For those of you who ride with these Col de la Vie tires, do they feel, well, squishy to you in turns? I have the rear pumped up to 45 lbs, and the fronts to about 42. When I corner, the rear feels like cornering with a flat tire, yet I check, and they are still inflated as per the sidewalls (max of 50). I'm not the kid I used to be, but I still only weigh 175, and most of that is still distributed pretty much like it should be. Any of you good folks have any thoughts on this? This weekend I'm converting the cockpit from drops and bar-ends to Albatross and thumbies. I'll post pix then. Regards, Ray -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at
Re: [RBW] New Bleriot Owner; Mushing thru turns
I also have a Bleriot. The bike shop was showing me some Hetres but at $60 or so a piece, I was hesitant. I have adequate, $25 Cdlv's now. I would be interested in a comparison of the two tires for the time when I need to replace the Cdlv's. Jim D Massachusetts --- On Thu, 4/22/10, Jon Grant jgr...@papagrant.com wrote: From: Jon Grant jgr...@papagrant.com Subject: Re: [RBW] New Bleriot Owner; Mushing thru turns To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, April 22, 2010, 9:00 PM I have a 59cm Blériot. I weigh, um, more than you by 50 lbs or so. When I used Col De La Vies, I kept them around 70-75 lbs. A lot of folks reported that they felt a little squirmy, especially in corners, but I never noticed it until I got Grand Bois Hetres and felt the absence of squirm. Noticeable, but not a huge difference, at least to me. So, maybe add 10-15 lbs pressure? -- Jon “Papa” Grant Illustration + Information Graphics Austin, Texas jgr...@papagrant.com 512-284-9599 Drawings — all sorts From: Ray r.sh...@sbcglobal.net Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 17:12:37 -0700 (PDT) To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] New Bleriot Owner; Mushing thru turns So, as I mentioned, I purchased a cherry size 59 Bleriot from another list member two weeks back. It came in a box last week, and I have been commuting on it this week. Great fitting, comfortable bike. It's different than my other Riv's in that it rolls along on 650Bs and 35mm Col de la Vies. Aside from my slow uptake on remembering to keep the inside pedal up when negotiating a turn (numerous bone-head pedal strikes to my discredit) the next strangest thing are the tires. For those of you who ride with these Col de la Vie tires, do they feel, well, squishy to you in turns? I have the rear pumped up to 45 lbs, and the fronts to about 42. When I corner, the rear feels like cornering with a flat tire, yet I check, and they are still inflated as per the sidewalls (max of 50). I'm not the kid I used to be, but I still only weigh 175, and most of that is still distributed pretty much like it should be. Any of you good folks have any thoughts on this? This weekend I'm converting the cockpit from drops and bar-ends to Albatross and thumbies. I'll post pix then. Regards, Ray -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Wind!
Cannot find the web page for AE. Pictures would be good. Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Wed, 4/21/10, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: From: PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Wind! To: rbw-owners-bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 5:35 PM A Sam Hill with big, boxy Axiom Panniers and a big, boxy Ostrich bag is a barn door in our spring winds. I just rode 8 miles in the hooks straight south into a southerly 28 g 35. This builds patience and strength of character. The Axioms -- half price at AE Bike, $44 -- are big, drape-over Dutch-style shopping panniers, just one big empty space on each side with no annoying side pockets, zippers, compartments or cinches: just good old fashioned emptiness, big enough with room to spare for a full paper grocery sack, each; and a fitted flap with two, simple fastek buckles. I'll take photos when I get the attachments for my new Canon. Probably not up to touring, but better than my Ortleib Packers for shopping. Oh, and big bar bags act like wind rudders in gusty sidewinds; keep a firm grip on your bar! -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] RBW Saddle Height question
PBH minus 10, measured to the top of the saddle works great for me. Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Tue, 4/20/10, Jay LePree lep...@optonline.net wrote: From: Jay LePree lep...@optonline.net Subject: [RBW] RBW Saddle Height question To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 20, 2010, 7:46 AM Hi all: One of the things I always wanted to know but was afraid to ask. The RBW method for determining saddle height is PBH - 10 to 11. The measurement is made from center of the cranks (the spindle of the bottom bracket) to the top of the saddle. Here are the questions. How many of you use this formula? Do you adjust it if you place the saddle all the way back on its rails? (Relateddon't laugh...where does one measure the top of the saddle...the area where you sit, the area right over the seat post?) I ask because my saddle height seems to be shorter than this (with MKS pedals and Addidas Sambas)..more like PBH - 15. I would like to raise it to Riv recommendations, but I was wondering what your experiences have been. Regards, Jay Demarest, NJ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Heavy rider wheel issues
Are 7 speed cassett or freewheels readily available? I thought that 7 and 8 speeds were getting hard to find. Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Mon, 4/19/10, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote: From: rperks perks@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Heavy rider wheel issues To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 3:03 PM Get Rich to build up a Phil freewheel hub dishless, 36 spokes and 7 speed. This should last you a very long time, and in my opinion is one of the best values in the wheel market at the moment. - Rob On Apr 19, 10:02 am, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Hi, all. I seek counsel. I weigh about 250 lbs. I often carry 10-15 lbs on a rear rack. I ride a Trek hybrid, sitting bolt-upright. (By the way, this Trek is about as Riv'd up as any Trek could be. Actual Riv relevance: Later this year I'll also be riding a Hillborne and any counsel I receive will apply to it for sure; maybe/maybe-not for the Trek. Also, the riding I do is very much non-clubby, non-race-y, and non-trivial in distance; this seems to match up with Riv philosophy and thus seems appropriate for this group.) I use 700x35 tires on 32- or 36-spoke wheels at about 60 psi. I ride 70-100 miles/week 12 months a year (I bet that'll rise when I get the Hillborne), over half on limestone trail. I'm actually pretty easy on the bike in general, avoiding obstacles/rough path where practical, lifting the wheel and slowing down when I don't avoid the hazard. My problem is that I haven't gotten more than 1000 miles on any rear wheel without complete failure (cracked hub, bent axle) or the need for repair (hub overhaul, multiple spoke breakage, rim *way* out-of- true-or-round). The wheels I've used include some cheapies and some good ones. Some were better to use than others. But all were okay to use (until they failed :( ). More wheel details later. My preliminary question is: should I simply expect to have these problems every thousand (or two) miles? That is, will I likely have problems like these at that rate no matter *what* wheel I have? If so, then my plan will likely be to go for a value proposition instead of a reliability one. That is, I'll settle with a cheap wheel, always having a backup, knowing that I'll have to replace/repair/adjust more often than I'd like. That'd be okay, I guess... though it seems wrong in some profound way; after all, I've literally never *had* to replace any of my non-Pasela tires. I've put at least 3000 miles on my most recent set and still *could* use the originals the Trek came with. (I went through 4 Paselas in short order, with all of them failing in the same way with a sidewall eruption. Too bad. I liked the gum sidewall look.) However, if these wheel problems are avoidable (yes, yes... I know... losing 80-90 pounds would go a long way; let's assume that's not happening short-term), what kind of wheel will avoid them? Wheels I've used thus far include: --- Shimano RM60 (Alivio-ish?) hub / 32 2|1.8|2mm spokes / cheapish Alex rim - lasted about 1000 miles before breaking spokes, eventually on 3 rides in a row --- 105 hub / 36 2mm spokes / Sun CR18 rim - lasted maybe a little over 1000 miles before 4 holes-worth of drive-side hub snapped off of the hub body --- Deore hub / 32 2mm spokes / Sun CR18 rim - lasted maybe 400 miles before breaking spokes on 3 or 4 rides in a row (had 2 of these on the the theory that the first one was not prepped properly... 2nd one was no different with prep) - eventually I bent an axle on one of these, the other one (having been re-laced and re-trued and overhauled) is now my snow/ice wheel and will see little mileage --- XT hub / 36 2|1.7|2mm spokes / Velocity Synergy OC rim - lasted around 1000 miles before periodic ka-tink ka-tink noise appeared in the hub; am currently looking into whether this is a fatal problem or simply a maintenance issue Now, if the current XT-hubbed wheel's problems turn out to be readily solvable (adjustment of bearings, regreasing, something like that) then I'm happy to stay with this kind of wheel. The spokes seem to maintain tension reasonably well and the rim has only minor touch-up every few hundred miles to keep it very true and round. I like the fact that the drive-side spokes are not *that* much more tight than the non-drive side because of the asymmetry. However, if it turns out that it *is* a fatal or unacceptably-severe problem (and surely one can appreciate my pessimism on this matter), I wonder: What sort of wheel do I need? I don't want to needlessly ride a wheel with 48 spokes and a 3 pound hub (exaggerating, perhaps... but still... you get the point). But I will ride a 48-spoke-3-pound-hub-wheel if that's the only way to avoid these problems. Nor do I want to pay $500+ if a $200 wheel will give me a reasonable level of reliability with reasonable ride quality. Let's
Re: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
Good point about the water bottles. In particular, a touring bike should have multiple, easily available water bottles. Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Tue, 4/6/10, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: From: Garth garth...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 9:05 AM If they're going diagonal . what do they do about water bottles ? Design is one thing, but what about practicality? While I agree with GP that triangles look better, and bicycles are all about triangles .. more of them doesn't necessarily mean better. Double top tubes parallel looks masculine.. works great for carrying and stand mounting... a diagonal or mixte tube doesn't. I'm wondering out loud ... if extra diagonal type tubed frames were so popular . why are they not sold in mass? I see a warmish response here in this forum but you know how some things go . people say they love the design . but when it comes time to actually buy and own one . personal reality checks in. . . . and they may not want it. It's like seeing a fancy prototype at the bike show it looks great you drool over it ... but you just don't get one . for whatever reason. usually it's too far out of the norm. What would so and so think? ... etc. The mind is an never ending ride to nowhere. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
I may have missed this earlier in the discusion, but I assume that the 54 would still have only one top tube. Is that the current understanding as far as we know?Jim D Massachusetts --- On Mon, 4/5/10, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: From: Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 10:48 AM The mockups are really helpful, thanks for putting them together. I have to say, i greatly prefer the look of parallel top tubes, if a double TT is the plan, but i'm not on the Hunq list, so my vote is more theoretical. Two other observations in this discussion though: This is the second Riv frame that seems to be getting significant input from someone other than Grant (Rodeo designed by Mark, Keven at least some decisions on this one). Maybe this has happened before with less discussion, but it's interesting that it's part of the conversation with these frames. Also, if the 2nd top tube angle changes, will the decal have to change so the 2nd line in the Hunq's H matches it? (in the 2tt world, i like that this logo mirrors the frame) -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 7:06 AM, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote: Here's my crude mock-up to show what seems to be the diagonal direction, with water bottle bosses and graphics relocated. Kind of liking it...but keep in mind this is only my interpretation of what has been mentioned. As Grants says, it's Keven's call. http://tinyurl.com/yebexd2 Marty On Apr 5, 6:33 am, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Will wait until a photo is there before getting too depressed by it. However, it's turning into a different bike than the one I ordered. Really hoping that it is going to be worth the extra wait. And since the seat tube won't be able to take a bottle cage, the shifted 2nd tt will hopefully have cage bosses? Yes, yes, am complaining and whining about this way too much. But now, a 29er mixte. That would be cool. And something I'd ride. A lot. Eric Platt St. Pau, MN On Apr 4, 11:30 pm, Grant Petersen gr...@rivbike.com wrote: Midpoint of headtube to midpoint of seat tube. Sorta mixte-like. (Jim Thrill/Hiawatha said...) Keven loves the 62 Betty/Yves, and rides it a lot, and rode it with weight, and remarked how well it carried it, not what you'd expect from a mixte. But the design like that works, and that lead to the diagonalization of the 2tt (second top tube, I'm tired of typing it all out), and some friendly turmoil here. It's Keven's call, which way it goes, but I think it's looking diagonal. That's where I'd put my puka-shells. G -- Grant Rivendell Bicycle Workswww.rivbike.com 925 933 7304 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: can someone post some Hunqapillar pictures asap?
Love that dark grey and red and I love the concept of the bike, but I do not think I could quite justify a purchase right now. Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Thu, 3/25/10, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote: From: happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com Subject: [RBW] Re: can someone post some Hunqapillar pictures asap? To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 2:52 AM On Mar 24, 4:14 pm, Jim M. mather...@gmail.com wrote: Pics of the gray 48 added to the group: http://www.flickr.com/groups/1358...@n23/pool/ Very pretty! They should have other painted ones by the end of the week. Thanks Jim M.! I'm shocked by how different the gray looks in the sun. I guess when the Hunqapillar is hanging next to a blue AHH the gray looks more bluish: http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758...@n04/4457914836/ While perhaps the sun-grey is more fitting for a Wooly Mammoth, I liked the looks of the blue-gray better. However, a bigger problem for me are the lined lugs--I don't find them appealing at all. Thanks again. Super helpful. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] You won't be ordering a Hunqapillar by tomorrow, but....
I thought that I had put new bike lust out of my head. However all this talk about Hunqa, has made me start to think about how big my bike gap is, especially now that one of my kids has take my Trek 950 to use at school. The gap seems to be right at this point. I do not need or want suspension but wide tires and stout tubes for marginal dirt roads/paths, would be nice. Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Wed, 3/24/10, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: From: Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [RBW] You won't be ordering a Hunqapillar by tomorrow, but To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 24, 2010, 3:00 PM On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 1:17 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: How would you have run the Hunqa you are not going to buy tomorrow? It would be my trail bike and offroad tourer. I still ride my MB4, but it's really too small for me. I have a Crosscheck that doubles as a commuter and gravel bike, but it's mostly set up as a singlespeed lately, and my Redwood stays as my fast/long distance road bike. It would basically serve as the dirt-oriented, geared version of what the Crosscheck is now. I guess my bike gap for something like the Hunqa is bigger than yours. I'd most likely use 45-50cm tires, 1x8 or 1x9 gearing, front dyno wheel and LED light, maybe mustache bars and a rear rack for my Pa panniers, along with a deep desire not to turn around and head home quite yet. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Sam Hill complete, for now.
Sorry but there is no way that beautiful bike can be a beater. You will have to keep that for Sunday best and start all over again on a beater. Enjoy. Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Mon, 3/22/10, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: From: PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Sam Hill complete, for now. To: rbw-owners-bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 5:30 PM http://picasaweb.google.com/BERTIN753/BIKESMISCELLANEA#5451572220445740082 Stand, computer; still need to touch up a couple of places where paint was gouged; have Sally Hansen Green to do so. Will probably not bother to adjust the rear fender that tiny little bit to reach fender arc perfection; this is a beater, fer gosh sakes! -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] FS: 47 cm Atlantis complete bike
The Atlantis is a very different bike from the Roadeo. She might be glad to have it as an option. Replacing it would be a lot more expensive than keeping. Jim D Massachusetts --- On Sat, 2/20/10, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: From: cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [RBW] FS: 47 cm Atlantis complete bike To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, February 20, 2010, 9:16 PM No Debbie, don't do it! On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 1:32 PM, J. Douglas Way d...@mines.edu wrote: Hi- Debbie's new Roadeo is about to arrive so we'd like to sell her 47 cm Atlantis. This bike has about 4500 mostly road miles on it. It was purchased new from Campus Cycles in Denver, CO in the fall of 2003. The bike has a mountain bikey build with Shimano XT components and a Dura Ace 11-23 cassette. The combination of the mountain crank (22-32-44 chainrings) and road cassette gives a gear ratio range of 23 to 98 gear inches. The 26 inch (559 mm ISO) wheels have Mavic 517 rims, DT 14-15 butted spokes, and XT hubs. Pictures on Flickr are here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/25652...@n05/sets/72157623474638354/ or http://tinyurl.com/y8k3dx8 We'd like $1600 for the complete bike including shipping to the lower 48 WITHOUT the Brooks saddle and pedals. If you really want the saddle and pedals, let's negotiate something. If you pick up the bike, the price is $1500. Let us know if you'd like more pictures and/or additional information about the bike. Thanks, Doug Way in snowy Boulder, CO -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] What's a good way to dispose of cf bike forks?
Jon, That is inspired. Really nice. Maybe you could collaborate with RBW, collect any forks they get on trade-ins, and produce these lamps. Jim D. (in Massachusetts which is now sunny and warm) --- On Mon, 3/8/10, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: From: PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [RBW] What's a good way to dispose of cf bike forks? To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 1:56 PM On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Jon Grant jgr...@papagrant.com wrote: Eric Norris wrote: Here's my solution: http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176...@n03/sets/72157623579596200/ That's actually rather cute. I withdraw my earlier sneer about baskets of ugly home-made cf junk art. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] What's a good way to dispose of cf bike forks?
Sorry I gave credit to Jon for Eric's idea. At least Jon and I are on the same page as far as a new RBW product. Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Mon, 3/8/10, Jon Grant jgr...@papagrant.com wrote: From: Jon Grant jgr...@papagrant.com Subject: [RBW] What's a good way to dispose of cf bike forks? To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 12:00 PM Eric Norris wrote: Here's my solution: http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176...@n03/sets/72157623579596200/ --Eric campyonly...@me.com www.campyonly.com www.wheelsnorth.org - Brilliant! New Riv product! A great use for turned-in-for-replacement carbon fork! -- Jon “Papa” Grant Illustration + Information Graphics Austin, Texas jgr...@papagrant.com 512-284-9599 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] My old Hillborne
Nice bike, nice story, great pictures and good notes on the pictures. The notes really help to show the defelopment of the bike and rig. Makes me ( in snowy Massachusetts ) long for the ability to get out and ride. I am not as hardy (crazy?) as the guys from Minnesota or Vermont, who ride during winter. It may be snowing here today, but I know Spring is near. Thanks for the effort to share. Keep up the documentation. Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Thu, 3/4/10, Way Rebb grayc...@mac.com wrote: From: Way Rebb grayc...@mac.com Subject: [RBW] My old Hillborne To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, March 4, 2010, 12:38 AM Hello, You folks seem like a fun group who might enjoy this. I thought I'd share some pics of my old Sam Hillborne…but first a story…no wait, the pics, skip the story: http://www.flickr.com/photos/wrebb/sets/72157623480171652/ Way back in 1982 or '83 I purchased a brand spanking new Lotus Eclair touring bike in Santa Cruz, CA. That bike served me well for many years. I don't know how many miles I put on it (tons) but I used it for school, work, grocery stores, camping, tearing through the hills, the valleys, rain or shine. I didn't take long tours but did ride every major, and most minor, roads/trails in Santa Cruz / Monterey Counties probably a zillion times. Fast forward 25 years to my recent move to Livermore, CA. This place is flat. Poor old bike couldn't take that much pedaling and neither could I. We were used to standing and charging up hills or getting low, butt back, flying down hills, very little long stretches where we just pedaled. Now, the bent chainring squawked, the bent rear derailed squawked, my knees hurt after 30 miles or so, my neck hurt, shoulders, bleah. After many adjustments and attempts to make the endless pedaling more comfortable I decided I needed a new bike. Naturally I went to a bicycle store. Unfortunately very few of the things they had with two wheels resembled a bicycle. I decided to hit garage sales and flea markets. Not much there either. The bikes were really beat up or aluminum mountain bikes or etc. I wanted a steel touring bike, one that I could put racks, bags, bungee cords on and haul stuff. Suddenly I remembered this web site I visited. I had purchased a couple of things in the past and I think they sold a bike called a… umm… Atlantic maybe? It took a while to find it but it was Rivendell. I saw they had the Hilsen. It was almost what I was looking for except it didn't have cantilevers. It made number 2 on my list. The Kogswell made number 2 on my list as did a couple of others but nothing made number 1 so far. After about four more months of garage sales I saw Rivendell announce the Hillborne. A bike between the Hilsen and Atlantis with cantilevers! Finally a strong possible number 1. In Dec 08 I took a ride out to Walnut Creek. My first visit to Rivendell and I was impressed. Very friendly people and seeing the bikes in person was awe inspiring! The one Hillborne was out but Kevin kept adjusting seat posts and saying here try this one (Atlantis), here try this one (Bombadill), here try this one (Hilsen) until the Hillborne was back. I think I spent the entire day riding up and down the trail with a huge smile on my face. When I got back on the Lotus to ride home I immediately knew what was wrong. The Lotus was way to small. It was like riding a circus tricycle. I put a deposit on a Hillborne that day and picked it up in June of '09 and have been riding ever since with no pain. The Hillborne feels like a luxury bike I can really stretch out on. It takes the flats, hills, streams, roads, ruts, fence posts, everything like butter on a duck. The pictures sorta document the first six months and they are fun for me to look back on. I'm surprised by how many places I've been with the bike considering how little free time I have. It hasn't been just back and forth to work. Bikes are a great way to get around and a comfortable bike is even better. Thank you for putting up with my story. -Ray -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Maiden Hillborne ride disturbing and troubling.
That is really bad. You are stirring up a serious case of bike lust, an irrational, driving desire to get another bike that, objectively, I do not need. This has the potential to cause serious domestic turmoil here. Oh what to do. I guess I will get to work on preparing a list of the reasons why I need another bike. Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Fri, 2/26/10, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: From: PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Maiden Hillborne ride disturbing and troubling. To: Internet-bob internet-...@bikelist.org, rbw-owners-bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, February 26, 2010, 6:46 PM (Albuquerque, NM, February 26, 2010) Interviewed today at his home nestled in one of Albuquerque's exclusive bosque neighborhoods, Patrick Moore reported his reactions to his initial ride on the SH delivered earlier today by UPS. Moore, who rode a brisk 23 mile out and back on Albuquerque's Rio Grande bike trail, was clearly troubled by his experience. It wasn't at all what I expected, he said, adding with characteristic modesty that he wished to post his remarks to both lists Because I don't want my many fans on either list to miss my apothegmatic utterances that, jewel-like, fall from my lotus blossom lips. (Hrrhmm.) Clearly upset, he went on to say that the riding experience promises to destroy a cycling lifetime's worth of carefully built and hoarded prejudices. It's not right, he said. My opinions ought not to be trifled with like this. Further conversation revealed that his concerns came down to the following: 1. Bars. The bars are fully 2 higher than those on his road bikes, and, with the 59 cm effective tt and the 10 cm stem, the reach is fully 4 cm further forward -- not to mention the 46 Noodles compared to the 42s he usually uses. Even after I agressively buried that horrible, foot-long Technomic quill deep in the steerer, the bars were still a good one to two inches higher than the saddle. That's not right! Even so, Moore rode the entire 23 miles in the hooks with absolutely no discomfort except for the numbness in the outer pad of his left hand, something that, he says, always afflicts him with any position except the hoods. The hoods are troubling high, and I think they make the front end a bit too light, he added, saying that he fully intends to lower the Tektro levers an inch or so to a more normal position. The entire 23 miles were ridden without gloves on the hard, unforgiving cloth tape. And who secures tape with *twine*, he asked? That's not right! 2. Tires. I was prepared to be generous and accept tires fatter than the skinnies I ride on pavement, he said, but the huge fatness of the 33 mm Jack Browns was truly frightening when I first saw them. I had no idea that a mere 33 mm could be so *fat*! He claimed that he didn't even check the pressure, but simply rode them as they came from the box, adding, And they felt fast and smooth! I took a 1/4 mile turn on the gravel at speed, and they seemed to roll almost as well as on the pavement. Moore pointed out that he had not yet installed a computer, but, I expect, not to be overly optimistic, that I averaged a bit over 23 mph, just judging by the way I was dropping all those young endodontists on their Madones and Sprectri; the wind was rather fierce, so I had to back off. 3. Saddle. This is the scariest thing, he said, I know that B 17s have a bad reputation, but I decided that, since Rivendell was too lazy to take the saddle out of the box, I might as well try it; after all, one needn't always select the most expensive and best; especially since this bike is just a beater. Well! After taking the rubber mallet to it to get it all the way back, and fine tuning the tilt and height, I was very, very frightened to find that it *didn't* chafe the taintal area! And I was wearing cottong FOTLs! That's just scary! Moore said he has reported his experiences to the authorities, in particular to the Department of Homeland Security, and expects a special team to be assembled to investigate what his DOHS contact agreed was a very troubling possibility. We are very open to the chance that this might develop into a true threat to the motherland, DOHS spokesperson Melinda Belinda said. We are taking it very seriously. We extend all our sypmpathy to Mr. Moore and his family. Photos at 11! -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because
Re: [RBW] Lovely Bicycle Blog
I would take issue with the view that much testosterone is shown on this list. We seem to be extremely polite and concerned with the feelings of others in the discussion. If you want to see testosterone, go to the Finn sailing site: direct insults with four letter words and specific physical threats all form part of the discussion. Some of it is funny, some of it not at all funny. It was hard for a lurker, unfamiliar with the personalities, to decide who was kidding and who was serious. I left the site because of this total lack of civility (not directed at me). Here on this list, if we even think bad thoughts we get a kind and gentle nudge from our webmaster. So in sum, different views are great but I think it is not fair to imply that testosterone is rampant on this list of gentlemen and ladies. Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Thu, 2/25/10, Paul neve...@att.net wrote: From: Paul neve...@att.net Subject: [RBW] Lovely Bicycle Blog To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 3:30 PM While doing a search on the Riv Sam Hillbourne bike I stumbled across this blog as the writer of the blog had recently become the owner of a Sam Hillbourne frame. http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/ Perhaps it has been mentioned on list before. I found it very interesting and thought I would pass it on. It is written by a lady that just got back into cycling last spring at age 30 I think she mentioned after not cycling since her childhood teenage years. She has a refreshing take on cycling I think and a very fast learning curve having just returned to it a bit under a year ago. She describes some of the things within certain areas of bike culture that had kept her from getting back into it. Seeing one particularly lovely orange vintage Gazelle Dutch bike helped change that. Now she has a custom mixte on the way a new Sam Hill bourne frame to build up among several other vintage bike acquisitions over the last 10 or so months. At any rate I find the the perspective from a lady and also someone fairly new to cycling adds a lot to the mix. It seems to me the feminine perspective can help balance the plentiful high testosterone fueled viewpoints of the guys. Plus she is a talented photographer and artist and has some great pics of bikes on her site. Regards, Paul C Dallas, TX area -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] FS: 47 cm Atlantis complete bike
I agree, wait, unless you absolutely need the money to eat. At least wait until she has had a meaningful chance to compare the bikes side by side for a while. Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Sat, 2/20/10, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: From: cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [RBW] FS: 47 cm Atlantis complete bike To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, February 20, 2010, 9:16 PM No Debbie, don't do it! On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 1:32 PM, J. Douglas Way d...@mines.edu wrote: Hi- Debbie's new Roadeo is about to arrive so we'd like to sell her 47 cm Atlantis. This bike has about 4500 mostly road miles on it. It was purchased new from Campus Cycles in Denver, CO in the fall of 2003. The bike has a mountain bikey build with Shimano XT components and a Dura Ace 11-23 cassette. The combination of the mountain crank (22-32-44 chainrings) and road cassette gives a gear ratio range of 23 to 98 gear inches. The 26 inch (559 mm ISO) wheels have Mavic 517 rims, DT 14-15 butted spokes, and XT hubs. Pictures on Flickr are here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/25652...@n05/sets/72157623474638354/ or http://tinyurl.com/y8k3dx8 We'd like $1600 for the complete bike including shipping to the lower 48 WITHOUT the Brooks saddle and pedals. If you really want the saddle and pedals, let's negotiate something. If you pick up the bike, the price is $1500. Let us know if you'd like more pictures and/or additional information about the bike. Thanks, Doug Way in snowy Boulder, CO -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Cross Levers Only?
I have a Surly Steamroller singlespeed, not fixed (poor man's Quickbeam). It came with cross levers but no brakes on the curve of the drops. I found it very disconcerting not to have the brakes in the usual place. I changed to a flat bar. I am not sure that time on the bike would have helped me adapt. I like to ride on the hoods with fingers on the brakes. Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Thu, 2/18/10, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote: From: Marty mgie...@mac.com Subject: [RBW] Cross Levers Only? To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 6:54 AM So I'm thinking out loud here: Any reason not to set up some noodles with cross levers up top and tandem stoker levers where normal brake levers would be? Could even combine that with thumbies for an ultra compact command center, and avoid those long wrap-around cables from bar-end shifters that seem to always interfere with a rando bag out front. I like the idea of varied positions on the noodles, but would like to eliminate redundant braking and use the cross levers alone - not as interrupters. Only down side I suppose is in emergencies when you happen to be in the drops, or riding the hoods. Any other reasons not to try this set up? Marty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Reading Chairs
Thanks for getting the spelling right. I just bought one and I concur-very nice. Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Fri, 2/12/10, geezer bair.m...@gmail.com wrote: From: geezer bair.m...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Reading Chairs To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 12:16 PM I'm reading The Waterworks by E.L. Doctorow in my Ekornes Stressless chair. We've had a pair of these chairs for years and years and they are wonderful. Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Reading Chairs
Another suggestion: Icorness Stressless (not shure of spelling). Very comfortable costs $1500 to $2800. Jim D. Massachusetts (snowing again-better winter for reading than riding) --- On Wed, 2/10/10, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: From: Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Reading Chairs To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, February 10, 2010, 11:09 AM On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Adam DeFayette adam.defaye...@gmail.com wrote: Okay, so this is definitely off topic - but I am turning to this list because I know it to be full of intelligent people interested in quality of life issues and comfort. That said, please indulge me I'm looking for a new reading chair. Are there any legendary chairs out there, known for comfort, ergonomics, design? I'm not sure where to start. I am open to all suggestions - price not currently an object. I realize they are cheap but a comfortable chair for reading is the ikea Poang. Good posture support, comfortable position. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Choosing between a 650B and 700c frame
For myself, the 650B would be a clear choice. The extra width helps in bad road conditions, e.g. chipseal or sand on paved road, and clearly dirt roads. The 650 wheels seem strong. I am heavy and have not had any wheel issues in two years on my Bleriot. You can easily get all the tires and tubes you need on the internet. The col de la vie (sp?) is a great tire, 38 mm (or so) wide and cheap. Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Mon, 2/8/10, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: From: PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Choosing between a 650B and 700c frame To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, February 8, 2010, 12:16 PM There are two advantages of 650B, as far as I can tell. One is that it lets you run a fatter tire of the same diameter of a thinner 700c tire. If you don't need fatter tires, then go with 700c. The second is that it lets you use a smaller wheel, assuming you don't increase it to 700c size by said fatter tires, which may be a good choice for some smaller people who need smaller frames, or simply for weirdos like me who like smaller wheels in larger frames (tho' I go all the way down to the 559 and 571 sizes). Note too that some of the advantage of fatter, 650b tires is gained by skinnier 700c tires simply because they are 1 1/2 inch bigger in diameter -- all things equal, larger diameters roll more easily (said one who knows by (a) his 29er compared to his 26ers, annd (2) because he has favored 559 sized road wheels.) And, fwiw, I have read that increasing the *diameter* a certain % reduces rolling resistance by some multiple of the reduction brought about by merely increasing the tire width by that same % -- studies done by the British government back in the later 18th century to help carriage makers design wheels that would travel better on their new, McAdamized and Telford-ized gravel roads. On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Zaelia caddic...@gmail.com wrote: Hello - I'm a new member to the group, and I'm in the process of ordering an A. Homer Hilsen frame from Rivendell. I've been given the option of both the 650B frame (56cm) and the 700c frame (55cm). After conducting as much research as I can online and talking with my bike knowledgeable friends, I'm still finding the decision to be difficult. I'm not sure how much information I should give here, but I'm just wondering if anyone has any thoughts about my dilemma. My AHH will be primarily a commuter bike, but will also serve me on longer weekend rides and perhaps some light touring in the future. What I like about this bike is its ability to tackle a wider range of conditions - road and off-road (nothing gnarly, mind you) - and it is just a beautiful looking bike! In my adult life, I've only ever known my current ride - a Rocky Mountain Fusion mountain bike from the mid-90s. I'm looking forward to riding a bike much more suited to my style of riding. The Fusion makes me work pretty hard and it's h-e-a- v-y! Availability of the 650B wheels is my biggest issue. I have only found two stores locally that can help me out with this (they don't have anything in stock but would have to order), though I've not conducted an exhaustive search. Talking with the folks at the local stores was quite illuminating. The first kept telling me that the tire was a new fad - something for the folks who want to be different. The second had no idea what I was talking about. I'm not all that mechanically inclined, so I depend on my LBS (to my chagrin) - though I hope to change this in the future and become more adept at working on my bike. I'm leaning heavily toward the 650B because of the many things I've read about it on sites like 650B Palace (http:// 650bpalace.blogspot.com/) and La Confrérie des 650 (http://www.cyclos- cyclotes.org/650/index_ang.html). Even the Country Bike Shop (http:// www.countrybikeshop.com/) makes me feel the 650B is the choice I should make. But still a lingering doubt remains. I can't imagine I'll regret my decision, but I worry that I might. While I have you - the second part of this question might be what width should I get? And what brands/models do you recommend? I know much of this is subjective, but I'd be happy to read your thoughts. Thanks. Cheers, Zaelia -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To
Re: [RBW] Discussion on a-homer-hilsen-geometry
Try Saluki? Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Fri, 1/29/10, sjauch sja...@gmail.com wrote: From: sjauch sja...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Discussion on a-homer-hilsen-geometry To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, January 29, 2010, 11:49 AM Does anyone know if there is a geo chart for sizes smaller than 57? Thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] New Riv Custom
Very, very, very nice bike. Wish you many years of happy riding. Please post as built photos when you get it. Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Mon, 1/11/10, Brad Gantt brdg...@gmail.com wrote: From: Brad Gantt brdg...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] New Riv Custom To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 5:52 PM So, after 2 years and 4 months, my custom frame arrived at Riv headquarters. Mark is building it up today (and was kind enough to snap these pics) and soon it will be mine. Can't wait to give it a spin! http://www.flickr.com/photos/17053...@n02/sets/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] SOMA Riv. Prototyp pics
Thanks for the pictures. Do we have any explanation of the bikes intended purpose (fast road, touring, all round country bike)? Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Sat, 1/9/10, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: From: CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [RBW] SOMA Riv. Prototyp pics To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 10:19 AM on 1/9/10 2:21 AM, Jason at jasonshaef...@gmail.com wrote: I was at RivHQ on Friday and the prototype frame was laying around. They said they didn't mind pictures, so here they are: http://tinyurl.com/yfxzvs9 This is a prototype frame, so it may be changing. They said the thinking right now is a frame in the $1,000 range, an upward sloping top tube, so fewer sizes (or at least that's what I heard, it was early). Thanks for sharing those here. That's an interesting looking frame - good practical dropouts with fender and rack bosses, 2 way attachment options at the seatstay bridge, good hardy braze-ons for the upper rack mount, downtube shifter bosses It will be interesting to see how it comes together. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes The Gallery needs your photos! Send 'em in - Here's how: http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines She edged in to get a better look at the bike, how it was made, the intricacy of its brakes and shifters pulling her straight in. Beauty. -- William Gibson, Virtual Light -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] New Riv Reader 42
Sounds a little testy. Cut the guy some slack. He is running a small business, with a non-essential product, in a depression. The reader will come when it comes. Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Fri, 1/8/10, Mark mclbicy...@gmail.com wrote: From: Mark mclbicy...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] New Riv Reader 42 To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, January 8, 2010, 8:17 AM Does anyone know when Grant will come out of hibernation, sober up, wake up, break free from his writers block, or whatever else may be his excuse and produce the long awaited Riv Reader 42? Can someone on the west coast go and throw some water on his face and ask? I would, but I live too far away? thanks in advance, Surf -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] It's here
Very, very nice bike. Enjoy it. Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Tue, 1/5/10, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote: From: Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu Subject: RE: [RBW] It's here To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 6:43 PM Updated pics added--pretty much set with the exception of bar tape, fenders and a nicer saddle bag. I want to take it for a test spin to check the brake lever position and such before I tape it up. http://www.flickr.com/photos/40738...@n08/4248795965/sizes/l/ The point of the seat tube lug got bent somewhere on the way but I tapped it back into line with my trusty rubber mallet. That cracked the paint a little of course but I'll put a couple of coats of wax or some clear enamel over it and it'll be okay for a decade or so... Thanks for the kind words--I've sort of intermittently wanted a QB for a long time and the sidepulls and 650b wheels pushed me over the edge! Steve -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com on behalf of Frederick, Steve Sent: Tue 1/5/2010 2:52 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] FW: It's here The last of the 52cm, 650b Quickbeams is mine, all mine! The color really suits the name: http://www.flickr.com/photos/40738...@n08/4248168665/sizes/l/ (don't worry, that's not where my seat will be when I ride it) Steve woohoo! Frederick, East Lansing, MI -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Helmets save lives.
Interesting. I am sorry to hear that the foil liner I use under my bike helmet, does not provide the protection I expected. I am still waiting for Spring. I find the government controll problem is diminished in the good weather when I can get out on my Bleriot. Must go. It is Snowing again and the government is sending new instructions. Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Wed, 12/30/09, LF fie...@gmail.com wrote: From: LF fie...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Helmets save lives. To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 8:40 PM On Dec 30, 4:36 pm, James Dinneen jfxdinn...@yahoo.com wrote: If we do this early and get it out of the way, does that mean that Spring will come early? Jim D. Snow-bound in Massachusetts and looking forward to a good fight over helmets Hi Jim, No telling, the definitive research is yet to be done. The only local scientific article on helmets I could find is from MIT, and not specifically about bicycle helmets. *On the Effectiveness of Aluminium Foil Helmets: An Empirical Study* by Ali Rahimi, Ben Recht , Jason Taylor, Noah Vawter can be found here: http:// people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/. Best, Larry -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Helmets save lives.
If we do this early and get it out of the way, does that mean that Spring will come early? Jim D. Snow-bound in Massachusetts and looking forward to a good fight over helmets --- On Tue, 12/29/09, LF fie...@gmail.com wrote: From: LF fie...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Helmets save lives. To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 9:32 AM On Dec 28, 10:55 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 10:46 PM, manueljohnacosta please don't start a helmet debate. I do not know the rule on this but let's just skip it. please? -sv Seth, There is no official rule on the start of helmet wars. Traditionally, late January to mid-February is prime time. However, anytime after the winter solstice holidays, and before Spring is acceptable. This post may be an early sign of the much anticipated 2010 game. Best, Larry -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] A few more Quickbeam add-ons
Nice, really, really nice. Thanks for the pictures. Jim D. Massachusetts (18 inches on the ground and still snowing) --- On Wed, 12/23/09, Robert F. Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com wrote: From: Robert F. Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] A few more Quickbeam add-ons To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 23, 2009, 11:04 PM I think I've gotten pretty close to going overboard, but I just couldn't resist. My Quickbeam got some deliveries this week so I went to work today and added... Front and rear leather mudflaps Velox bar plugs - I'd already lost one of the inexpensive plastic push-on ones so...Another Nitto T-cage for water bottles - with matching tube socks :-) (which work great to keep water cool when I wet 'em down) 2 Klean Kanteen stainless bottles now that I have two cagesand...a leather chainstay protector which probably pushes the whole thing over the edge Now all that's left (till I swap everything out for all new over-the-edge-of-good-taste stuff) is some sort of bag for the front and maybe a generator/light combo. The bag will come first I suspect. Sorry about the quality of the shots, I had to head out to a volunteer thing so all I had time to do was take some iPhone shots. http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgps-bob/sets/72157622935682521/ -- Robert Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com statrixblog.statrix.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Quickbeam Arrived Ten Minutes Ago!
Thanks for writing about this exciting development. Vicarious thrills will have to do me for now. No new bikes in my future for a while. And maybe not much riding for a few months as we hunker down in New England and wait for snow tonight and in the months ahead. Hawaii and a new bike sound really good. Cannot wait to see the ictures. Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Tue, 12/8/09, Robert F. Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com wrote: From: Robert F. Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Quickbeam Arrived Ten Minutes Ago! To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 3:45 PM My QB arrived about 5 minutes ago. I went in to work very early so I could run the jobs I absolutely must get done on Tuesdays (without making my co-workers do them). Then I headed home as soon as I saw the out for delivery notice on the UPS site. About 10am HST I got a call from the UPS driver asking if I would be home later. I said yes, except that between 11-2pm I needed to be away and the manager of my condo would be in. He asked me to please make sure because the box, while not heavy, was bulky. I asked when he thought he'd make it and he said not till afternoon. Sigh. Then he drove up. I could hear him joking with someone outside saying, I told him this afternoon. I immediately broke out the camera and snapped my box being offloaded. It'll be part of a flickr album later. He brought the box up to my apartment and I gave him a cold soda and told him he was my hero for the day. Apparently I'm going to have more than one hero though because, as you guys said, the bike is packed immaculately. And unfortunately I'm going to have to leave it that way for a bit as I have to dash out for my companies annual anniversary banquet. Folks with years of service in multiples of five are being feted. I made ten years and they are pretty insistent about showing up. Luckily it'll be over around 1:30pm so I can ride home on my other single speed (now my rain bike) and start putting things together. There doesn't appear to be a whole lot to do (thankfully), so I'll probably be able to take it out for spin before dark. I'd love to stay and play with it, but the sooner I get this luncheon over with, the sooner I can play with my anniversary present. Aloha for now! Bob -- Robert Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com statrixblog.statrix.com --You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] New Zealand trip photos
Fantastic pictures and countryside. Cannot wait to see more. Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Mon, 12/7/09, Gino Zahnd ginoza...@gmail.com wrote: From: Gino Zahnd ginoza...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] New Zealand trip photos To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com, SF Randonneurs sfran...@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 6:29 PM (I'm cross posting to RBW and SF Rando. Sorry if you get this twice.) I'm still wading through hundreds of photos, but here are a few that made the cut so far: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gzahnd/sets/72157622950157706/show/ In the top right, click 'Show info' to see the descriptions, etc. There'll be more at that URL in the coming week, as I have time. Trip report, short version: New Zealand is an incredibly, in the truest sense of the word, beautiful country. We only rode in the south island (and hung out in Auckland), and drivers were courteous everywhere. I'm not sure what was with all the Kiwis warning us about Kiwi drivers; they were all great! NZ road quality makes California look like a third world country. Food is high quality and high priced everywhere. The hostels were fantastically clean and cheap, even with our private rooms the entire time. We didn't get a drop of rain, so fenders were useless weight. Everyone was kind, brimming with hospitality and generosity. Kiwis apparently have no idea what a switchback is, and that made for some of the hardest riding I've ever done. And I like hills! I rode Grand Bois Hetres, Roy rode Jack Browns. No flats in 1400k and somewhere between 60,000 and 70,000 feet of mixed terrain climbing, city glass-strewn riding and everything in between. The Saluki was flawless, as was Roy's Ritchey Breakaway CX bike. I'll keep going back until I've seen the entire country. It's a great place. Oh, and on the last leg of my flight, American Airlines managed to destroy a good bit of my Saluki, including the wheels, decaleur, SS case. http://www.flickr.com/photos/gzahnd/sets/72157622830462177/ I'm taking the frame to Steve Rex tomorrow to make sure it's still in alignment. The chainstays are a little too narrow right now... They say they're going to pay for replacing everything. We'll see. I've taken all the precautionary threatening measures, so I feel reasonably confident they'll stick to their word. Cheers, Gino -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Hillborne query....
I would like to see them myself. Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Mon, 11/23/09, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: From: Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Hillborne query To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 7:17 PM High quality photos it will be! :-) On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: For what it's worth, I'm 265 lbs and Rich @ Rivendell, the wheel builder, recommended Dyad 36 spoked rims with XT hubs for me for the Bombadil. On all my other bikes I'm running Mavic Open Pros with 32 spokes and have never had any issues with them. Am trying to see if I can stretch the finances to go for Phil Wood hubs instead, but if not, I'm sure the XT hubs will be wonderful as well... I'm actually going to Rivendell tomorrow, neither Mark nor Rich will be there on Wednesday. I'll shoot some pictures with my phone, unless you really want high quality pictures, in which case I'll take my camera... :-) High quality is always encouraged. Especially by those of us whose opportunities to go to rbwhq are pretty much non-existent. :) -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=.
Re: [RBW] Re: lightest rear rack
You can get a mini rack that hangs off the saddle or the seatpost to support a medium or small saddle bag. Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Fri, 11/20/09, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: From: JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com Subject: [RBW] Re: lightest rear rack To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 9:03 PM Just get a small saddle bag then. The least obtrusive is nothing, right? On Nov 20, 7:15 pm, jim_OLP j...@landoloons.com wrote: Most people seem to be looking for the strongest rear rack they can find. They're carrying engine blocks down pothole-lined streets, or crossing Mongolia solo. I want the opposite - the lightest, least obtrusive rack there is. The rack for minimalists. I want to use a trunk' bag but I hate the look of standard rear racks that bolt on to the dropouts, and I'm never carrying anything at all heavy. Ideally I want something about 1/3 that weight and complexity. What is out there? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=.
Re: [RBW] Hillborne dilemma
I must confess that I also lust after the Sam H. However it is very close to my Bleriot which I like a lot. As a small, and perhaps unwanted voice of reason, I suggest a Surly Steamroller for a fixed or single speed commuter. When I could not get a Quickbeam, I happened into one of these and was surprised. It is a blast to ride and relatively cheap. Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Tue, 11/17/09, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: From: Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Hillborne dilemma To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 4:05 PM On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 12:58 -0800, stevep33 wrote: Another high class problem. Bike lust alert! I was at my LBS today getting some small parts, and what did I see but a new green Sam Hillborne in my size. I happily accepted an invitation to take it for a ride; it was great. Great in the way that it's bugging me a bit still. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=.
[RBW] Re: Fresh off the work stand...my Bombadil!
Great article. Enjoy the bike and do the real camera pictures as soon as you can. Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Fri, 11/6/09, jinxed hbcl...@yahoo.com wrote: From: jinxed hbcl...@yahoo.com Subject: [RBW] Fresh off the work stand...my Bombadil! To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 9:17 PM Well after much debate, reading, soul searching and money saving...I have a Bombadil. This is a quick and dirty first impression and I will follow up better later. http://tinyurl.com/ybnpgx8 Ordering: The order went fairly smooth, with only a minor delay for paint. Or clear powder coat to be more accurate. I had called up Riv a week before I had money in hand just to be sure they had a 52 available, which apparently they had a few. When I was funded, I made the call ordered the frame/fork/hs and some other random bits including the bullmoose bar. All was well, and was to ship the next day. A week later I called nervously fearing it was lost. As it turns out, the frame they had was literally raw and still needed the clear coat. So off it went. A week later, that frame came back, but the clear was flawed, so they sent another one off. So one more turn around and BOOM my bike is on the way! Hot dog!! Got my shipping confirmation, and a few day later I had Mr. UPS knocking on my door. Receiving: Always the fun part...just like Christmas. If I have learned one thing in my 16 years in the bike industry, it's that Rivendell knows how to package bikes and frames. I was floored when I got my Bleriot. I have packed somewhere over 1000 bikes and hold the title of Pack King at my shop...but I was seriously humbled upon opening the box. The Bombadil was no exception. Inspecting: Le Dang. What a fun and beautiful frame. I have been very lucky to work with and around some really cool bikes over the years. I even worked manufacturing them for a couple. Having built bikes from raw tube sets, the nature of the raw powder coat really makes me happy. Generally frames would undergo a bead blast even if being cleared, which gives a really nice satin metallic finish and still shows off the brazing. But I have to say, skipping the bead blast is what really shows off the beauty of the steel. I had a couple days waiting on some build parts so it was fun to really spend time checking out all the brazing and lug work. I'm extremely happy with the construction quality, and feel the price tag was more than fair for the amount of work represented. Keep in mind, I chose to pay retail for this as opposed to being able to pro-deal something from work. Assembly: The frame seemed fairly well prepped out of the box, but I chased the bottom bracket shell and honed the seat tube for measure. Frame alignment was spot on both with a gauge and the good ol string measure. Dropout alignment was also perfect. Nothing had to be tinkered with, and went together very smoothly. Initial impressions: First off, ignore the pictured wheelset and tires, those are off my Bleriot. I am still waiting on spokes to finish the wheels which will be shod with Pacenti Quasi-motos. They will be built on Dyad rims with Chris King classic MTB hubs, 3X DT double butted spokes. Otherwise, it is set up as planned. Now the bar was a real gamble for me. I was really up in the air between the bullmoose and going with a moustache set up like my Bleriot. I really love the moustache bars, but was not sure how I would like them on a dedicated mountain bike so I opted for the more traditional stance. I was even more worried when I placed them on the bike. They really seemed odd to me. Very high and very swept back. I sunk the quill as far as it would go, and looking at it figured I would be looking to trade them for moustache bars. But once it was out of my stand (and dining room) and I test rode it...well they may be staying. Very comfortable and the sweep puts the angle of the bar at a very neutral wrist position for me. I am extremely eager to get this bike in the dirt with knobbies. It has been several years since I had a bike with v-brakes, and I had forgotten just how well they can work. I decided to go V over much better looking canti's only for function off road, and I am glad I made that choice. The majority of the parts are modern XT, which although looks modern still seemed suiting in it's industrial black and silver finish. Original XTR would have been nice, but this stuff was super budget friendly, and works fantastic. Ride: Every bike seems to have it's own feel that can be very hard to convey. You seem to notice it on the first couple rides when the bike is fresh and you haven't become accustomed to the subtleties yet. The first out of the saddle sprint, the first hard leaning corner, a rough downhill, that kind of stuff. I spent about an hour doing a shakedown ride where nothing shookdown. I mixed paved trails with flat relatively straight single track and hard pack gravel. I felt perched high but connected
[RBW] Re: Good bike for 300 lbs?
I am in the upper reaches of 200's. I have a Bleriot with 650B (with approval of Sheldon himself) and have not had any problems. I guess I ride light no jumping curbs or mashing up steep hills in high gears, etc. Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Sat, 10/24/09, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: From: EricP ericpl...@aol.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Good bike for 300 lbs? To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, October 24, 2009, 8:48 AM I'd argue no. And was at (and over) 300 pounds when started riding bike again. For that weight, I'd argue a Bombadil, if you want a Rivendell. Grant mentions the Atlantis will handle that type of weight. But the Bomba is even more stout. Would also argue the Velocity Synergy 650B rims might not be the best for a 300 pound rider. That's again based on my experience with them. Possibly/probably a 650B mountain bike would be a better choice (see Bombadil above). At 235 only recently would I consider a 32 hole front wheel. And that's with as big a tire as the frame will use. For a wheel with a Shimano dynohub. Personal opinion would be to go for a 26 wheel bike, as wider tires are more easily available. Not just mountain bike tires, but also Big Apples, Marathon Supremes and others I have not tried. For what it's worth, Surly is going to start making the Long Haul Trucker available in all sizes with 26 wheels. Would also be an appropriate choice with good wheels. (Bias alert for the above paragraph - am planning to get one of those bikes in a larger size as soon as they are available.) Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Oct 23, 10:47�pm, John Ferguson rfj1...@yahoo.com wrote: So as some of you know, I'm selling my Riv on E-Bay. Just had a question: Do you think a Saluki is appropriate for a 300-lb rider? 36 spokes in the rear, 32 in the front. I know Sheldon Brown rode a bike with a 24-spoke front, and he was a big guy too. John --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Winter Riding Clothing
That looks like a good site, with good product and big sizes. Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Sat, 10/3/09, LyleBogart lylebog...@gmail.com wrote: From: LyleBogart lylebog...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Winter Riding Clothing To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 11:59 PM Hi Mike, Wool...and for when it gets nasty, a jacket from these folks: http://www.bicycleclothing.com/Waterproof-Breathable-Rain-Jackets.html I've got one and like it so much I even use it as my primary rain jacket when I'm not riding. Good Luck! lyle f bogart dpt tacoma, wa On Oct 3, 1:30 pm, geezer bair.m...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. I'm looking to improve my winter wardrobe this year. I'm specifically looking for a jacket and pants that work well for riding - somewhat trim, zippers for ventilation etc. I live in northern Michigan (the home of miserable winters) so, realistically, I'll park the bike when it hits around 20 degrees and/or the snow and ice become glacial. I'm willing to spend some bucks on this stuff. I understand layering - I'm mostly interested in outerwear. I'll do the research - just point me in a direction for stuff that has worked for you. Thanks in advance for any help or suggestions, Mike --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne drool-fest
I would also be interested in how the SH compares with the Bleriot. Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Sun, 9/13/09, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: From: David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne drool-fest To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 10:50 AM Isn't that custom paint amazing! I hope that's becoming a good seller for RBW as it seems like a great bike. Anyone have any comments as to how it compares to a Bleriot? DE On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Alan at EcoVelo recently got his hands on a Sam Hillborne. He's posted some beautiful images of it over at his blog. Check them out. http://www.ecovelo.info/2009/09/12/more-sam-h-pics/ I'm really thinking that the addition of one of these bikes would round out my quiver nicely. I'd use it as my camping all--rounder bike. I doubt I'd set it up with those fenders but it sure does dress- up nicely. --mike -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The myth of the all-rounder.
Nice collection of bikes. I think an Atlantis would be the perfect addition. Then you would not need or want any more bikes :)Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Tue, 9/8/09, thalasin thala...@yahoo.com wrote: From: thalasin thala...@yahoo.com Subject: [RBW] Re: The myth of the all-rounder. To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 9:40 PM Okay, I'll bite on giving the female perspective. I've been debating the myth of the all-rounder of late myself. Still, not quite what you're asking. I have 7 bikes, most of them see regular action. Most of my riding is of the commute variety, and for that I mostly ride fixed gears. I have an old Surly Steamroller (Boston Baked Bean) and a mid-70's Peugeot conversion. I also have a custom Jonny fixed gear that awaits a new fork due to a debilitating toe overlap situation (long story). I also have a 1976 Raleigh Supercourse (geared), a 1976 Raleigh Sprite 5-speed mixte, a Trek mountain bike (winter bike) and an orange Rambouillet. My story is n+1 when it comes to bikes. I talk myself into and back out of an Atlantis on a daily basis. I also seriously lust for a Sweetpea. In a the house is on fire and you can only grab one bike situation, it would be the Riv. But I adore all of my bikes--they are all very different and are set up differently and the variety makes it more fun to ride, in my opinion. I tell myself I need to thin the herd but can't bring myself to let any of them go. There are worse vices out there, for sure. I am not particularly mechanically adept, which is why I like fixed gears so much. But, that still does not stop me from thinking about bikes, looking at bikes, talking about bikes and loving most things about bikes. But then again, I don't think I'm a very typical female in that regard--at least I haven't run across too many women that share my sentiments. Tracy Denver, CO --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: End of the Atlantis?!?
An Atlantis was high up on my list of possible bikes when I was in the market a couple of years ago. I am heavy and the Atlantis seemed indicated from RBW charts. However, I was in the 56 cm size and thus the bike had 26 in. wheels. I did not think that the fun quality of the ride compared with the Saluki I tested and the Bleriot I bought. An Atlantis with 650B might be an excellent option. Just thinking. Jim D. Massachusetts (waiting for Hurricane Bill to blow into town) --- On Fri, 8/21/09, JL subfas...@gmail.com wrote: From: JL subfas...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: End of the Atlantis?!? To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, August 21, 2009, 1:18 PM IMHO Fork bends have much to do with order of operations (some builders rake the fork first then cut the blades to length and braze on the for ends) and technology (hand bending vs machine production). Maybe it isn't so much that the Taiwan factory can't make the same fork bend, it is more an issue that they aren't set up/trained to do the same kinds of fork bends. There have been some things said in this (super long) thread that really make sense. IF the Atlantis is taken out of the line up that will mean no more 26 wheeled bikes. Would this mean a phase out of 26 wheel support (assuming once all old stock is sold out etc)? I'm not trying to start rumors here, just speculation for the sake of the thread. I hope riv finds a solution for the Atlantis situation because of all the reasons that have already been mentioned - it is there flagship model so to speak. In addition I think the current line up cover the scope of the Atlantis - from AHH, to Hilborne, to Bombadill, any one of these three models can be a replacement for the Atlantis depending on the desired use. I think, if I understand the complaints (both on and off of this list) that might prevent someone from buying one of these models instead: 650b is still a weirdo wheel size, new models don't have as classic a look (sloping top tube, one color paint etc), double top tubes are ugly, weight concerns (either too heavy for desired bike or worried bike is too heavy). Ironically it may have been that many of the changes in the past 4 or 5 years have been do to feedback and requests. I think it all comes down to nostalgia. The Atlantis (2) is a fine bike that has come to represent Rivendell as a company. I hope they are able to keep it as part of the line up. It seems plausible to move production to Taiwan, use the same lugs (as mentioned earlier there is no need for new, simple lugs, the Atlantis lugs already exist), the same geometry, same fork crown, the same tubing thickness (actual tubing may need to change based on availability), figure out a way to paint it nicely (or powdercoat which tends to be more environmentally friendly) and still bring it in framesets that retail under $2000. Maybe they can shoot for half the distance between other models and end up at $1500 for a two color paint, concessions made when needed Taiwan Atlantis. jason --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Happily Pedaling Free (finally)
I have the sneaker pedals on a single speed for around town (not a Q'Beam unfortunately). The pedals are great, much better than I expected but I have not had the inclination to try them on a tour or longer ride. Perhaps I should give it a try. I am not sure that I would want the grip kings with their spikes, unless there was much sticky snow on the ground. Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Fri, 8/14/09, cm chrispmur...@hotmail.com wrote: From: cm chrispmur...@hotmail.com Subject: [RBW] Happily Pedaling Free (finally) To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, August 14, 2009, 1:27 PM Just finished up a 6 day 400 mile tour of the great state of Vermont (huge shout to the most beautiful state in the union). Rode a borrowed bike so that I didn't have to transport my bike from Arizona. The borrowed bike had MKS Sneaker Pedals-- and let me just say, they are amazing. I have had MKS Touring pedals on two of my bikes and always liked the idea of them much more than I liked them in practice. The Touring pedals always led me back to my clipless Looks-- but now, i feel enlightened. Is it the larger platform? the little nubs that grip so well? Now I am wondering, anyone out there with a similar experience? How about Sneakers vs Grip King? Can the GKs be even better? Anyone want to buy a pair of new, in the package MKS Touring pedals? I'll give you a good deal. Cheers! cm --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Happily Pedaling Free (finally)
Sneaker pedals are great with my Keen H2 (smooth bottom boat shoe sole). Could not ask for a better interface. Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Fri, 8/14/09, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: From: EricP ericpl...@aol.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Happily Pedaling Free (finally) To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, August 14, 2009, 3:27 PM Sneakers are on my Hillborne and GK on the Atlantis. Overall, and being biased, I like the sneaks. However, whether that is really because they work better for my wide feet, or because I want them to because they are cheaper, I don't know. Both work well with Teva sandals. Not sure about my new Keens yet. Will have to wait until I'm back in town. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Aug 14, 12:27�pm, cm chrispmur...@hotmail.com wrote: Just finished up a 6 day 400 mile tour of the great state of Vermont (huge shout to the most beautiful state in the union). Rode a borrowed bike so that I didn't have to transport my bike from Arizona. The borrowed bike had MKS Sneaker Pedals-- and let me just say, they are amazing. I have had MKS Touring pedals on two of my bikes and always liked the idea of them much more than I liked them in practice. The Touring pedals always led me back to my clipless Looks-- but now, i feel enlightened. Is it the larger platform? the little nubs that grip so well? Now I am wondering, anyone out there with a similar experience? How about Sneakers vs Grip King? Can the GKs be even better? Anyone want to buy a pair of new, in the package MKS Touring pedals? I'll give you a good deal. Cheers! cm --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Photos of my new 60 cm Samuel Hillborne
Very nice bike. Quickbeam orange and gears too. Nice lines and well set up. Who could ask for more. Enjoy. Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Don donl...@bellsouth.net wrote: From: Don donl...@bellsouth.net Subject: [RBW] Photos of my new 60 cm Samuel Hillborne To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 12:53 PM I hing it to have posted some photos of my new 60 cm Samuel Hillborne at the link below for anyone who would like to check it out. I think it's a beauty! Don http://flickr.com/photos/dupresantini --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: standover height
Well said. Could not agree more. Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Tue, 8/11/09, R Gonet richard.go...@earthlink.net wrote: From: R Gonet richard.go...@earthlink.net Subject: [RBW] Re: standover height To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 8:35 PM Grant, I notice that you've been posting to the RBW forum more frequently, and I thank you for it. Since there would not even be such a forum without your endeavor, and since we are all interested in the bikes and philosophy you promote, we are also interested in your opinions, whether we agree with them or not. It also gives you an opportunity to preach to the choir on smaller issues as the mood strikes you without having to pay attention to a full-time blog or having to update your homepage. Keep it coming. On Aug 10, 11:12 am, Grant Petersen grant...@gmail.com wrote: RIght, usually it's the left foot on a twelve-o'clock pedal, the bike leaning right with the top tube on the right hamstring, and the right foot on the ground. Howowowowowowever...the CPSC requires that the bike clear the crotch by an inch. Crotch to a modern male who wears his belt nine inches below his navel, and crotch to somebody trying to eke out every last centimeter of top tube height in order to get the bars high enough are two different places. I like to measure it with riding shoes and to the PB, not the sack and not the slacks or anything worn. When we recommend frame sizes, it is always with a larger tire than the rider expects to ride, and is with the minimum inch clearance in mind. IT's common for a rider-here-in-person to stand over a 61, for instance, and say, Hey man, it's 'right there, right on me', but then I'll ask him to lift the bike up, and the tires clear the ground by an inch and a half or two, which just proves that guys tend to be overly protective of their territory down there. No doubt that extreme caution had survival value and there must be a genetic component of it, but when it comes to fitting bikes, pretend they're invulnerable and insensitive to pain. The bike I'm riding most these days--not a good example of How To Do It, but it illustrates a point well. My PBH is 85, and I'm on a 60 Sam because...long story, but I put the contact points (saddle, bars, pedals) in the right spot, and when I'm riding the bike it's likethe most comfy bike in the galaxy. I am truly AT THE BONE on it, but the only time it matters is when I lift the front wheel onto a curb while my two feet are still on the street. It's not something I do more than a few times a week or a month, and the rest of the time I'm in bike-comfort-heaven. I would NEVER sell a 60 to anybody else with my PBH--and I mean, you couldn't offer to pay twice as much for a 60, even, because we just wouldn't do it, period. But my experience with way too high top tube is worth considering for somebody who is merely within an inch. G On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 7:51 AM, Jan Heine hein...@earthlink.net wrote: After reading Michael's request for recommendations for his right frame size, and if I'm interpreting Rivendell's sizing chart correctly (?), will Michael's pbh clearance above the top tube on a 57cm Hilsen be about 7mm, with a 35mm Pasela? At what point, for road and/or country bikes, does pbh clearance become a safety factor for the rider? The answer is simple: Standover clearance never is a safety issue even for an only mildly experienced rider. There was a Bicycle Quarterly article on this issue a few years back. Here is a short synopsis. Background: Most of my bikes have marginal or no stand-over clearance. My 9-year-old son's bike doesn't have standover clearance either. My bikes were sized that way to get the handlebars to about 1-2 below the saddle without riser stems, sloping top tubes or huge quills showing. On my son's bike, it's simply a matter of trying to find a lightweight (30 lb.) kid's bike with a geometry suitable to slow speeds. The bike is too big for him, but he is rectifying this by growing like a beanstalk. (We reduced the reach by replacing the drop bars with cut-down mtb bars, but we couldn't shorten the seat tube.) When you stop a bike, it is very difficult to jump off with both feet. In fact, riders new to toeclips or clipless pedals sometimes fall down because they get _zero_ feet on the ground. Once you realize that you put only one foot down when you stop, standover clearance no longer is an issue. When you put one foot down, you also have to lean the bike to prevent it from falling (the bike and your leg on the ground form a triangle), which lowers the top tube a lot. You also move your pelvis to the side, and off the dangerous top tube. If your top tube is _way_ too high, you will simply lean the bike a little further when you stop. My son did fall once when he first rode his new bike. However, your private parts never are in
[RBW] Re: SRAM Recall
Sheldon knew. Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Brewster Fong bfd...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Brewster Fong bfd...@yahoo.com Subject: [RBW] Re: SRAM Recall To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:41 AM On Aug 9, 6:38 pm, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote: On Aug 9, 2009, at 1:35 PM, Grant Petersen wrote: Hey, for all of y'all know, I ride eleven speeds in my private time, and one of those carbon truss bikes, and am a secret test rider for Shimano's 2012 parts, and I dress in the full kit so nobody will recognize me. Grant Don't 'grant-centric' me Petersen http://www.sheldonbrown.com/lasvegas/2005/pages/13.html Or Grant *secretly* rides one of these: http://sheldonbrown.com/nanodrive/rivendell-sauron.jpg Who knew?! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Shoe recommendations for pedaling free.
I have used Keen H2O sandals with the RBW sneaker pedals. Works great at least for around town. soles are stiff enough but the sandals are good for walking. Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: From: Mike mjawn...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Shoe recommendations for pedaling free. To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 9:20 AM Thanks for all the recommendations. I wish I could wear Tevas but they don't seem to work for me on the bike. I may give them a brief try this weekend. It would be great if they work. And thanks for the Samba recommendation. I actually live right down the street from Addidas in Portland. Maybe I'll check out the store there and see what they have. I think I get some kind of neighborhood discount. If I remember correctly they run narrow. Also, good to hear the Patagonias work well. Lots of choices One thing I've noticed is that my calves feel sore today. I'm wondering if I'll have to change my saddle height. Any suggestions? --mike On Jul 30, 6:12 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: I've done a lot of riding in Teva sandals (I prefer to wear them with smartwool socks) and in some Keen slip ons (same socks). Neither has a stiff sole. I think it's wrong to assume that a stiff sole is desirable in this case. A soft, flexy sole is more comfortable, allows you to feel the pedal under your foot, and may provide better traction. I've only developed hot spots while wearing stiff-soled shoes, never with flexy-soled shoes. BTW, I ride only MKS Sylvan touring pedals. The Grip Kings never suited me. Jim On Jul 29, 10:19 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: So I'm thinking I'll use my Grip King pedals for my upcoming tour. I'm curious what people like for pedaling free. I went bike camping last night, 120 miles roundtrip so I got a good idea about if this will work. For the most part the shoes I'm using now, old style Vans, are fine although I did develop a bit of a hot spot. I'm thinking a new pair of shoes will rectify the situation and I may just go with Vans again but I'm curious what others are using. Also, I did the ride in MUSA shorts and an REI SS button front shirt and this also worked well. I just don't see the need or sense of riding in bibs and clipless pedals for this tour. Thanks, mike --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Fw: Employee bikes
When there were no Quickbeams to be found, I settled for a Surly Steamroller with 32 tires. I was surprised at how much fun it was and half the price of the Quickbeam. That makes it easier to use for errands around town and leave it locked up out side. Jim D. Mass. --- On Thu, 6/25/09, Ken Yokanovich reflector.collec...@gmail.com wrote: From: Ken Yokanovich reflector.collec...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Fw: Employee bikes To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, June 25, 2009, 4:43 PM Well, I happen to own a Surly Steamroller. Bought the frame/fork from Jim over at Hiawatha to use up some left over parts that I had left over once my Quickbeam was destroyed. It's not very practical at all, though I have managed to fit it with 32mm tires and Berthoud fenders. So, I guess it's just barely impractical :) I happen to like Surly bikes a lot, I'd much prefer a Rivendell, which is why I own 3 Rivendells and only 1 Surly. On Jun 25, 7:53 am, Patrick in VT psh...@drm.com wrote: On Jun 24, 11:15 pm, Ken Yokanovich reflector.collec...@gmail.com wrote: As for the original post, there would appear to be 3 Surly's, the seemingly bike-shop employee standard... inexpensive, mostly practical, and readily available. Ken - can you elaborate on mostly practical? I don't own a surly, just curious as to why a bike like a cross-check, LHT or pacer wouldn't be considered fully practical. thanks, Patrick --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: New Hilsen
Very, very nice bike. Components look good and the color and lines of the bike are great. Happy trails. Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Mon, 6/8/09, Brian Hanson stone...@gmail.com wrote: From: Brian Hanson stone...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] New Hilsen To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 1:41 AM I've got about 100 miles on my new Metallic Copper Hilsen. I did the final build a few weekends ago in an afternoon, and everything went together very nicely. So far so good, but I'm getting used to drop bars and regular pedals after riding a mt. bike for the last 18 years. The jury is still out, and I've got a set of Albatross bars waiting in the wings. Shifting is velvet smooth with the 9-speed older Dura-Ace setup. The Silver shifters and brakes are all they're talked up to be... It was really fun to put this bike together - I loved the frame as soon as I got it - these bikes are truly special! Next steps for this project will be getting some fenders and rackage/baggage - this is the pacific NW after all... BTW - weight as it stands in these pics is right around 25 lbs for those that care. On the trail it rides like a freight train - smooth and fast. I shaved about 5-10 minutes off my daily 10 mile one-way commute, although it's probably pure adrenaline from the big stupid grin on my face. Hilsen Pics Brian Hanson --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Wide-brimmed Headwear
A helmet with a rigid brim might pose safety concerns. Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Wed, 6/3/09, Will wpm...@gmail.com wrote: From: Will wpm...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Wide-brimmed Headwear To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 8:32 AM Of course there are the hats by Sun Precautions: http://www.sunprecautions.com/shop_all.asp?CAT=haSUBCAT=0h Has anyone created a bicycle helmet with a wide 360-degree brim? On Jun 2, 2:31 pm, Paul paulr...@gmail.com wrote: Don't forget that the Tilley has a lifetime warranty. And they really will replace it hassle free. The problem with the filson is that you can't wash it all that well, not so bad in the rainy winter, but funky in the summer sun. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: WTT 58cm Atlantis for 56cm Atlantis or Saluki
The Saluki and the Bleriot are 650B bikes. There may also be a difference in geometry of those bikes. I think Grant Peterson rides a 56 Atlantis but 58 or 59 in other RBW bikes. In short, while the seat tube may measure the same, other aspects of the bike vary from model to model. Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Sun, 5/31/09, Brent brentsundh...@gmail.com wrote: From: Brent brentsundh...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: WTT 58cm Atlantis for 56cm Atlantis or Saluki To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, May 31, 2009, 9:46 PM James, Thanks for the input. I have about 3 fingers of post exposed and use an 8cm stem on my 58 Atlantis. I'm sure I can fit a 56 Atlantis just fine. I wasn't aware there was much difference compared to a saluki of the same size. Brent On May 31, 6:09 pm, James Dinneen jfxdinn...@yahoo.com wrote: I have not ridden an 'atlantis but if I did it would be a 56. I have ridden a 58 Saluki and that is a fine fit for me. I have a 57 Bleriot. My thinking is, if you can ride a 58 Atlantis, a 56 Saluki would be too small for you. Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Sun, 5/31/09, Brent brentsundh...@gmail.com wrote: From: Brent brentsundh...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] WTT 58cm Atlantis for 56cm Atlantis or Saluki To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, May 31, 2009, 1:28 PM Frame only trade (possibly wheelset too). I have a year old 58 Atlantis with about 2500 miles on the frame. It gets used for the daily work commute and mixed terrain rides. I really like the fit and ride, just would like to run tires with a touch more volume and smaller diameter. There are a few scratches in the paint and I have fallen once on some ice. The frame is straight and without dents. Touchup paint will have it looking brand new again. Also since I ride year round the frame has been treated with Frame-saver. I will provide pictures upon request. This frame was purchased new from Jim Thill of Hiawatha Cyclery. So if anyone has a 56cm Atlantis or 56cm Saluki they would like to trade let's start talking. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: WTT 58cm Atlantis for 56cm Atlantis or Saluki
I have not ridden an 'atlantis but if I did it would be a 56. I have ridden a 58 Saluki and that is a fine fit for me. I have a 57 Bleriot. My thinking is, if you can ride a 58 Atlantis, a 56 Saluki would be too small for you. Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Sun, 5/31/09, Brent brentsundh...@gmail.com wrote: From: Brent brentsundh...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] WTT 58cm Atlantis for 56cm Atlantis or Saluki To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, May 31, 2009, 1:28 PM Frame only trade (possibly wheelset too). I have a year old 58 Atlantis with about 2500 miles on the frame. It gets used for the daily work commute and mixed terrain rides. I really like the fit and ride, just would like to run tires with a touch more volume and smaller diameter. There are a few scratches in the paint and I have fallen once on some ice. The frame is straight and without dents. Touchup paint will have it looking brand new again. Also since I ride year round the frame has been treated with Frame-saver. I will provide pictures upon request. This frame was purchased new from Jim Thill of Hiawatha Cyclery. So if anyone has a 56cm Atlantis or 56cm Saluki they would like to trade let's start talking. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who says Rivendells have to be heavy?
If you do decide to experiment with a single speed on the trek, you might want to start with a single speed, instead of a fixed gear. I found that it the downside of the hills that were killers. You either brake and go slow or you spin like a mad man. Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Sun, 5/10/09, nick.bike.b...@gmail.com nick.bike.b...@gmail.com wrote: From: nick.bike.b...@gmail.com nick.bike.b...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Who says Rivendells have to be heavy? To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, May 10, 2009, 9:36 AM I love my Rambouillet, and I've never been unhappy with it because of its weight, but it is hardly a lightweight at 24-1/2 pounds for the bike itself (i.e., the basic bike with no add-ons like water bottles, luggage, fenders etc.) Similarly equipped, my Gunnar Sport with SS couplers weighs about 100 grams less, despite the extra weight of the couplers. So it's clear that it is using lighter-weight steel. Similarly equipped, my 1984 Trek 400 with Tange Mangalloy 2001 weighs 25.1 pounds--even for it's time, it was a third-rate steel frame, so it's not surprising it weighs a little more. So, what you're really saying is that if you equip a decently made steel frame with really lightweight (or nonexistent, in the case of a fixie) parts, then it will be a lighter bike. Nothing particularly Rivish about that statement, though :-) That's something I keep wanting to try with the Trek 400, but I've been reluctant to fixify it because of all the hills on the way home. Maybe I should take the leap, since someone gave me a fixie rear wheel. I think all I need is a chain that's the right length, and a couple of cogs for the back. For now, I think I can just leave the rear derailleur on the bike (not putting the chain through it) but probably have to remove the front derailleur to keep it out of the chainline. Nick On May 9, 2:55 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: If you ride a 65, then 32 lb for you is like, what, 25 lb for me? (I'm guessing: 205 lb versus 170; divide that into this and multiply the result by 32 and fudge a bit ...). My Motobecane probably weighs unladen a good 25 - 26 lb; add kit and add weight accordingly. (And strange, I am sure that the frameset is considerably lighter than either Riv). It's fun to ride, too, but the Riv at some 5 lb lighter, and especially with its much lighter wheels, just feels faster and funner. (And, judging by non-precise measurements on the speedo, it is a mile or so per hour faster.) I love the Rivs first for their fit and handling: fit: butt back (use rubber mallet to get Flite as far back on the DA seatpost as possible), KWBPS (knee well behind pedal spindle), seated for a high torque, comfortable pedalling style and back cantilevered over bars so that, even with bars 2 below saddle, I almost automatically choose the hooks when there is the slightest wind; handling: unerringly stable in a straight line, but think of a turn and the bike intuits your intention and does it without any hesitation or twitchiness; even with a rear load. Anyway, I love the Rivs for their fit and handling, but I must say that their light weight adds something to the pleasure of riding them. Now, if someone would only make a light, supple, round, 28 mm tire in the 559 size ... On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote: I don't generally worry much about my bike's weight, but I don't think my Riv (an original 65 cm Rivendell Road Standard purchased in 1996) is very light. The lightest bike I've owned (sold it last year) was a 64 cm Waterford W-13 built up with all Campy Super Record components. The W-13 weighed around 22 lbs. dry weight. With the build-up on my Riv (Honjo fenders, Nitto Mark's Rack in front, a Nitto Campee Model rear rack like the one sold by VO - sans low-rider mounts, Carradice Pendle saddlebag with tools etc., steel water bottle cages, Brooks B.17 saddle, Silca frame pump and a Vista flashing light on the Mark's rack) weighs approximately 32 lbs. (crude measurement, standing on a bathroom scale and substracting my weight). This weight compares fairly closely to the staff bike shown on rivbike.com for Grant Peterson's personal bike (A Homer Hilsen) which he states at 30+ lbs. with full bags. I think Grant rides a frame size of 56-58 cm, so the size of my Riv would be an additional factor in its weight. On the other hand, the Riv is very comfortable and enjoyable bike to ride so I'm happy! Jim On May 8, 3:46 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Just weighedem, as I was cleaning them (for a change -- I *do* keep the drivetrain and moving parts clean and lubed). Gofast, with single VO retro cage, Topeak Road Morph pump, Avocet 35, Honka Hoota (complementary color), and Country with 2 tubes and small repair kit: 21 lb 4 oz. I would guess that minus the bag it would weigh 18 lb plus change
[RBW] Re: Stem Length Change for Noodle to Albatross Bars
Is either one of them fixed? Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Sun, 4/5/09, RM b...@san.rr.com wrote: From: RM b...@san.rr.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Stem Length Change for Noodle to Albatross Bars To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 1:21 AM I have two 60 cm Quickbeams, one has Noodle bars and a 9 cm Nitto Technomic deluxe stem, the other Albatross bars and a 12 cm Nitto Technomic deluxe stem. I'm happy with the fit on both of them. The Albatross setup one has a much more upright seating position which is what I wanted as it is my errand bike. Rob On Apr 4, 2009, at 9:08 AM, Chris Halasz wrote: The Bleriots are going to try some Albatross bars. Hers is a 49cm, using a 5cm Technomic, which is still a stretch to the hoods. Mine is a 61cm, with a 9cm Dynamic II (more like a 10cm Technomic), which is as long as I'd want it. Requesting information for how much longer the stems should be for our flight into the Albatross experience. Beth H had recommended a 3cm change, which seems about right, but wondering what others have done. It would be great to get it the first time! Thanks, Chris Tucson, AZ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Anyone else see this?
RBW has big shoes to fill if they try to carry on the tradition of April 1 postings that Sheldon issued. His postings were a reason to look forward to the date. Jim D.-- Massachusetts --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Doug Peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: From: Doug Peterson dougpn...@cox.net Subject: [RBW] Re: Anyone else see this? To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 5:18 PM There’s a thread on the iBOB list today regarding Sheldon’s postings of April 1. From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Eric Daume Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 12:26 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Anyone else see this? I would check the date on your calender. On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote: I was browsing the Riv site this morning, and came across the coolest thing ever in the odds ends section: a lugged toilet paper holder! (In your face Park Tools!) Apparently, all those leftover lugs that have been gathering dust have been put to good use. They actually worked with a local vocational school who was looking for a class assignment related to welding or brazing, and this little project fit the bill perfectly. The amazing thing is, you can order one to match your frame colors if you have a bike in the queue, or plan to order one in the future. The photo of the prototype looked awesome; Atlantis blue/green with a cream center section. Price was not listed. Maybe they are just gaging interest? IMHO, add a Nitto Reader Rack and you have the ultimate hangout to plan your next S24O! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Quickbeam ?
The cogs are cheap and easy to install. It takes a while, 3 to 4 rides to get even minimally familiar with fixed gears. I found it easier to climb but much harder to spin furiously downhill. It is great fun but can be intimidating in traffic. Learning to pedal through turns and learning to pedal as you slow down to anticipate a stop, is interesting. I found it necessary to ride clipped (or strapped) in. With my feet just resting on the pedals, I sometimes lost control on even moderate downhills. Overall it is a fun experience and well worth the twenty or so dollars for a cog. Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Tue, 3/3/09, Shaun Meehan meehan.sh...@gmail.com wrote: From: Shaun Meehan meehan.sh...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam ? To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 4:31 PM Thanks for your responses to my quesiton Bill and Patrick. Makes sense. My brother is buying a Surly Steamroller. He called and asked me the same question but I didn't know the answer. Evidently the Steamroller comes equipped with a fixed/free hub. I've heard of them but never actually looked at one. I've considered converting one side of my Quickbeam to fixed just to try out the whole fixed gear craze but I haven't gone through with it. Maybe I'll try my bro's Steamroller first just to give it a whirl. If I like it, maybe I'll go ahead and put a fixed cog on the flip side of the QB. Shaun Meehan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: QB rear wheel
I have two fixed/single speed bikes (sadly, neither one a quickbeam ). Both have bolted axles. Rare slippage on one, I got a tugnut and no problem on that one. Second one, no problem at all. If my wife would let me have a third, I would get a quickbeam. Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Thu, 2/26/09, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: From: rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: QB rear wheel To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 1:48 AM 1. It's not an issue for me. 2. You're really going to like your Quickbeam. On Feb 25, 8:13 pm, c.n.smith c.n.sm...@comcast.net wrote: As somebody who is looking at getting one of the silver QB's, I am surprised at how many posts this topic has received. I'm having a hard time telling how much of an issue slippage is for most QB owners. Can somebody help me with some perspective. Thanks in advance. -Chris --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: QB rear wheel
Very, very nice bike. I may have to sell one of my current fleet to make room for a new, silver bike. Not sure how to raise this issue with my wife. Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Wed, 2/25/09, Bill Rhea billr...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Bill Rhea billr...@yahoo.com Subject: [RBW] Re: QB rear wheel To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 11:50 PM I have one of the first batch of green QB's and it gets a pretty consistent 120 miles/week commuting on mostly flats with some short hills. I used to ride it fixed until maybe 3 months ago, when I flipped to the 16T freewheel and went to a 46T ring. These aren't great photos, but here it is: http://picasaweb.google.com/Wheelsmith91/Quickbeam# Don't be put off by this thread. I'm 6'3, 200 lbs and like to sprint for traffic lights. I seem to recall feeling the chain slacken maybe once or twice early on, but slippage is not an issue as long as you adequately tighten the QR. I'll confess that I tighten the QR slightly more on the QB than on a bike with vertical drops, but not excessively The tuggnut thingy from Surly would make it a total non-issue, but I'm not convinced it's necessary if you have a good QR. For holding on a wheel, I've heard it from reliable sources that a QR has a mechanical advantage over an axle nut, and don't ask me to explain why :-) but I tend to agree with this. I would occasionally have an axle slip back in my BMX racing days, but practically never on horizontal-dropout'd road frames. Then again, that could be a function of 180mm cranks and all the leverage from BMX bars, and the old electronic gate start Good luck, and I hope you decide to get a new QB. The kickstand bracket and mid-stay rack braze ons are smart additions to the latest version, I think. -br On Feb 25, 8:13 pm, c.n.smith c.n.sm...@comcast.net wrote: As somebody who is looking at getting one of the silver QB's, I am surprised at how many posts this topic has received. I'm having a hard time telling how much of an issue slippage is for most QB owners. Can somebody help me with some perspective. Thanks in advance. -Chris --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: QB rear wheel
If I understand the suggestion correctly (I am not an engineer) it seems to me that the surly tugnut (or similar gadget) would solve the problem,if it is a problem. Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Wed, 2/25/09, charlie charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote: From: charlie charles_v...@hotmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: QB rear wheel To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 12:37 PM I'm not sure why someone doesn't invent a simple preset drop out spacer for each ratio that would keep the axle from moving forward. I know some dropouts have threaded bolts but that can be slow to get each side equal for alignment. You'd only need two sets for the standard QB with maybe one or two more for other ratios. These could be machined from aluminum or even cast by the hundreds. Probably expensive though and better if some niche maker made them available. I can see why solid axles and nuts are used and whats a wrench weigh anyway? I'll bet one could be made out of titanium with hardened steel faces and Grant could sell it and make some money. Or have a skeletonized one cast with the Rivendell logo/name in the handle and made of tool steel. On Feb 25, 8:34 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: It may be helpful to rough up the dropout faces so the q/r can get some bite. Maybe make some dimples in the contact area. On Feb 24, 3:36 pm, colin p. cummings colinthehip...@gmail.com wrote: Anybody else having trouble with the rear wheel on the QB? Sometimes it shimmies out of alignment as I ride. One time I was pedalling hard after a stop and it slipped. I've tightened the quick release and hopefully all is well now. What's the trick with these track ends in straightening and keeping straight the wheel? Cheers, Colin Cummings Amarillo, TX --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: SoCal Rivendell Riders Feb. Ride is in the can
Nice pictures. these pictures of California off road look pretty tame. Was there other, tougher parts that you were just too tired to take pictures of? Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Sun, 2/22/09, Chris fourf...@gmail.com wrote: From: Chris fourf...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: SoCal Rivendell Riders Feb. Ride is in the can To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 10:45 PM I guess a link would help, huh? http://threeflys.smugmug.com/gallery/7428706_kr4D9#478835282_PQUGi On Feb 22, 6:48 pm, Doug Peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Estaban: Great shots! Now we get to see David and his bike, too. The photos off road are so much more interesting than what we usually get around pavement, cars clutter. dougP -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esteban Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 4:24 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: SoCal Rivendell Riders Feb. Ride is in the can Seriously - David lead us on an epic, fun, and collegial ride through all sorts of terrain. It was a perfect day and the most fun I've had on a bike in a while. My mind wishes it were longer, my body, if I can gather from my muscles aching, is satisfied. Great hanging out with everyone, once again. Hope to see more happy souls out there for future SoCal rides. I think there's quite a few of us. Here're my photos (before the camera juice ran out): http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671...@n02/sets/72157614312349818/ Cheers! Esteban San Diego- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: thinking about another Rivendell
I ride a Bleriot and I am well above 240. At one point I asked Sheldon about weight and one of the bikes I was buying. He said it was not a problem and I have not found it to be a problem. I never ride my road bikes off road and I guess I must ride light. It is also true that I do not do mega miles or ride fast. I would do the AHH. Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Sat, 2/21/09, Shaun Meehan meehan.sh...@gmail.com wrote: From: Shaun Meehan meehan.sh...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: thinking about another Rivendell To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 10:09 PM It's probably a requirement of their job to do it but I think Grant and the rest of the folks at Rivendell are pretty conservative when assigning weight limits to their bikes. I know form reading Scott Cutshall (aka: Large Fella on a Bike)'s blog that he was riding an Atlantis when he weighed in the neighborhood of 500 pounds. He did end-up replacing it with a custom because it was too noodley for him but he was 500 pounds! I bet the risks associated with riding an AHH at 240 pounds would be extremely minimal. Shaun Meehan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Rambouillet
I had the 28 mm ultra-gatorskins on a fixed gear. The handled very well but were a very rigid ride. Not at all comfy. Jim D. Massachussetts --- On Wed, 2/11/09, bpus...@aol.com bpus...@aol.com wrote: From: bpus...@aol.com bpus...@aol.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 4:48 PM Mike, Congrats, it looks great. You're right, it rides a lot different than the Hilsen. My personal preferance is the hammered Honjos. You may also want to look at the Continental GatorSkins (28cm). I think they ride as well and are faster than the Ruffty Tuffys. Bill In a message dated 2/11/2009 12:56:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mjawn...@gmail.com writes: I'm excited to have this bike back as it rides very different than my Hilsen. I need to get fenders for it, my old SKS 45s I put on my commuter. I'm not sure if I'll go with Honjos, Berthouds or maybe SKS 35s (I'm now using Ruffy Tuffys as opposed to 32 Paselas). The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sackville bags: how necessary, and for what uses?
I also have a Bleriot and would be interested in seeing pictures of your bike with bag installed. Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Thu, 2/5/09, Frank frank.r.ful...@gmail.com wrote: From: Frank frank.r.ful...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Sackville bags: how necessary, and for what uses? To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 10:06 PM I ordered the large one and plan to keep it on my Bleriot. That bike is most frequently ridden on errands or on weekends with my wife and two kids, who at 5 and 8 are adept cyclists, but not yet able to carry much. I typically carry lunch for 4, extra layers for the boys, a stuffed something or other, and anything we buy at the local markets. I have an old Baggins Hoss on my Quickbeam and like it a lot, but this bag looks more substantial, formed, and potentially useful. On Feb 5, 7:38 am, b hamon periwinkle...@yahoo.com wrote: I just got a look at the new Sackville bags over at the RBW Web site. Wow, they're humungous. The Large is the largest large I've seen in a regular-shaped saddlebag (I think it's bigger than the Carradice Camper by a little bit). Anyone out in Riv-land planning on buying one of these new bags? I don't plan to; I only have two regular bikes and they're both suitably saddlebagged at present. (Also, I don't yet know how I feel, exactly, about a saddlebag that comes with its own engraved serial number plate.) But I'm quite curious to hear if anyone is planning to purchase one and what uses are planned for it. (The idea that a saddlebag is spec'd to fit a 14 laptop certainly makes the case for ditching your briefcase pannier...) Beth brbrhttp://bikelovejones.livejournal.combr /http://veloquent.blogspot.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Steel vs Carbon
Great pictures. Gives a good feel for what a big ride is like. Nice country. Thanks. --- On Tue, 2/3/09, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Steel vs Carbon To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2009, 1:22 AM It's really not faked, I rode with the guy who took the picture on Saturday. We didn't know each other but we both posted pictures of the Bicycle Tour of Colorado to an Austin based email list. He recognized my Riv from the Saturday ride and emailed me. I think if I recall correctly there were 6 Rivendells on that tour in 2006 when I did it. 2 customs, 2 Roms, a Ram, and i don't remember what the red bike was. I took pictures of them all at one point or another. http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v407/Brons2/BTC2006/ On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 11:44 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: Obviously a faked photo. I know this because Stingray guy isn't using clipless pedals. I did something similar a few years ago. I dropped some roadie on his sleek CF machine whilst riding my rusty Raleigh Sports 3-speed. Cranking along in high gear, I passed him easily...until 50 feet in front of him, the clutch slipped (a known flaw of old SA hubs) and I was assaulted painfully by the nose of my saddle and the top-tube, nearly resulting in a crash. He sailed past, and at that moment I swore off racing on my English Racer. On Feb 2, 10:20 pm, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com wrote: Here's one for you http://s343.photobucket.com/albums/o478/Toddb12345/?action=viewcurre... -- having a blood clot is a sticky situation -- having a blood clot is a sticky situation --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Rivendell Bike Models Page - some updates
I have a Heron Road. I would be interested if you could elaborate a little on the comparison of the Heron and the Rambouillet Jim D. (Massachusetts) --- On Mon, 1/19/09, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote: From: Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Bike Models Page - some updates To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 9:42 AM Yah, I own both a Heron Road and a Rambouillet, and they have quite different personalities. Both excellent bikes, for sure! -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of James Warren Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:42 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Bike Models Page - some updates No actually. The Rambouillet has a longer rear-center, for one thing. -Original Message- From: Chris fourf...@gmail.com Sent: Jan 17, 2009 2:55 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Bike Models Page - some updates Wasn't that called the Rambouillet? On Jan 17, 1:23 pm, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: Patrick, I agree. I think the Rivendell offerings are amazing, but nothing is perfect. If it were possible, I would love if Rivendell added just one more bike to their line-up, basically one like the Heron road, with that sport geometry you mention, and nice understated looks and a resonably low cost. Lugged, maybe Taiwan, single-color and Heron road type geometry. But still with mini-rack braze-ons! -Jim --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Rivendell Bike Models Page - some updates
I doubt that there are many sane people on this list with only one, good all round bike. It may be another question as to how many sane people, looking for just one all round bike Grant would reach looking for a larger market, beyond his niche. Jim D. --- On Sun, 1/18/09, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: From: James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Bike Models Page - some updates To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 2:19 PM My experience with the Ram and AHH is that they provide the same amazingly wonderful riding experience. I can't tell a difference on roads. And for me, it's a different experience than the RB-2 which I wouldn't take on a super-long ride, but I definitely climb a 2-mile hill in significantly less time on the RB-2 than I do on the other two. I'm guessing that a Heron Road or a mid-90's Rivendell Road standard would be on the spectrum between RB-2 and Ram. I've heard others on this list say that it is certainly not the same bike as the Ram. So making a modest, affordable, short-reach-brake Taiwan version of a bike with Heron road geometry (and mini-rack braze-ons) is not a re-introduction of the Ram. But now that I read my little story above about being faster on the climb on the RB-2, I'm starting to see that the market for such a bike might be too small, as people have said. Once in a while, I care about being 90 seconds faster on that hill, and it's fun to see how the Bridgestone influences that. I'm a big enough bike nut that I keep several bikes around just for such little games. But other people are more sane and just want a good road bike, not many variations all around the house. If they are bent towards caring about the 90 seconds faster on the hill, and apparently many people are, then it seems that many of them are headed towards a carbon fiber Specialized or whatever. And it's hard to compete with that. For their intended purposes, those bikes are really good. -Jim W. -Original Message- From: MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com Sent: Jan 18, 2009 10:43 AM To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Cc: Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Bike Models Page - some updates Those of us, like myself, who can afford more than one bike, often prefer to have bikes optimized around specific kinds of riding. In that case a go fast road bike - one designed for centuries or shorter rides without carrying a lot of gear, and with nimble road manners makes a lot of sense. I still have and ride a custom 1988 ,full campy, tubular tired, Marinoni stage racing bike. This bike is built out of standard guage Columbus tubing and sports a World Championship heritage. I also have a Ram, outfitted with RP tires, Honjo fenders, and a small Carradice bag. Theses bike have amazingly similar rides. The Ram is a little more stable, less quick handling, but it climbs, descends and responds much like the Marinoni. So I'm skeptical of the argument that standard guage bikes plane better than OS tubing ones. Maybe for a 145 lb rider, but not for a 175 lb rider. I have a standard guage early Trek which planes nicely too, as does my OS Ebisu All Purpose. My winter and off road bike - a Soma Dble X definitely bogs down going uphill. Whatever causes a bike frame to respond to rider input is something other than just tubing dimension. I suspect overly stiff tubes as the culprit. Bottom line, the Ram, with OS tubing and nimble geometry serves a unique and joyful purpose. I hope Grant decides to bring it back so more people can discover what fun it is to ride this bike. On Jan 18, 12:10 pm, Lisa -S.H. harmo...@fairpoint.net wrote: I don't think it's accurate or fair to categorize those who ride 25c tires and like to (or would like to) ride fast(er) as either a roadie or a weight weenie. Heck, I found my original 38c tires were overkill for me, and I like to ride both slow AND fast. (though admittedly my 'fast' is probably equivalent to most other people's 'slow') ;) Just my two cents. Lisa --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Rivendell Bike Models Page - some updates
Thanks. I had the bike shop try to put 32mm tires on the Heron, but there was not enough room. I finally went to a Bleriot for the longer/ light touring rides. Jim D. --- On Mon, 1/19/09, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote: From: Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Bike Models Page - some updates To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 1:40 PM Hi, Jim--the Heron Road was based on Riv's. Road standard model, and takes short reach brakes. The Rambouillet was based on their LongLow model, and was built around the then new longer reach sidepulls. The Rambouillet's angles are 1/2 a degree or so slacker, and its chainstays and wheelbase are a bit longer. They are both great riding, great handling bikes, comfortable and fun for twenty miles or 100, but the Rambouillet is a tick more subdued, slightly more stable handling, perhaps a slightly more comfortable and relaxed ride. (same tires on both, and very similar setup, but the Rambouillet has fenders) For a spirited club ride, I'd likely take the Heron. For a relaxed country ramble, or a supported multi-day ride, the Rambouillet. Though the line between my spirited, and my ramble, pace at this point probably makes the distinction pretty pointless. B-) Steve -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of James Dinneen Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 10:42 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Bike Models Page - some updates I have a Heron Road. I would be interested if you could elaborate a little on the comparison of the Heron and the Rambouillet Jim D. (Massachusetts) --- On Mon, 1/19/09, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote: From: Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Bike Models Page - some updates To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 9:42 AM Yah, I own both a Heron Road and a Rambouillet, and they have quite different personalities. Both excellent bikes, for sure! -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of James Warren Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:42 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Bike Models Page - some updates No actually. The Rambouillet has a longer rear-center, for one thing. -Original Message- From: Chris fourf...@gmail.com Sent: Jan 17, 2009 2:55 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Bike Models Page - some updates Wasn't that called the Rambouillet? On Jan 17, 1:23 pm, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: Patrick, I agree. I think the Rivendell offerings are amazing, but nothing is perfect. If it were possible, I would love if Rivendell added just one more bike to their line-up, basically one like the Heron road, with that sport geometry you mention, and nice understated looks and a resonably low cost. Lugged, maybe Taiwan, single-color and Heron road type geometry. But still with mini-rack braze-ons! -Jim --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Hillbourne With Paint
That was my feeling as well. However, I did test ride the Atlantis and found that it did not seem as lively as the Saluki and Bleriot. So, maybe if your riding of the Bleriot tends less towards the heavy touring, off road riding, and more towards the light touring fast-ish road riding, the Bleriot might be a better choice. That is what I tell myself anyway. Jim D. Massacjusetts --- On Wed, 1/7/09, Chris fourf...@gmail.com wrote: From: Chris fourf...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Hillbourne With Paint To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 10:33 AM The color and frame look great! I'll have to say I was a little envious of all the braze-ons compared to my Bleriot, almost wish I'd waited longer to get the Sam... Oh well! :) On Jan 7, 6:51 am, Rick richardholc...@yahoo.com wrote: In addition to any structural issues, that 6 degree slope makes it possible to fit a lot of different folks with just the four sizes. At least that's what I took away from the description of the 56 set up to accomodate someone who could ride a 63 AHH. But what I like about Sam is all the well-thought out braze-ons that make it such a mutable and adaptable creature for differing applications: touring, off-road, or just the wee rack up front. And the green. The green looks fantastic. On Jan 7, 8:02 am, Will wpm...@gmail.com wrote: It's interesting that the Sam frame design is 'expanded,' which is not at all like 'compact.' The top tube slopes up 6 degrees... This seems to me to be a departure from the usual 2-degree top tube we've seen on most other RBW road models. A change in design philosophy? On Jan 6, 11:56 pm, Doug Peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Nice color, attractive without screaming look at me. Classy. Especially like the braze on for the shifter cables. More photos - rack mount details? Maybe a bike fully racked up? Aw, come on, it'll only take a few hoursplease? dougP -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John at Rivendell Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 3:35 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Hillbourne With Paint Here are a few pictures of the green Hillbourne, just posted to the site. http://www.rivbike.com/#product=50-700 Cheers, John at Rivendell Ulaan Batar Branch Office- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: for sale again and again.....
same here, original looked good --- On Tue, 12/16/08, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: for sale again and again. To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 11:55 PM Maybe you guys need to adjust your resolution or something. I saw a logically, well arranged list of items. What Fenderbender copied in his response looks like mumbo-jumbo and nothing like what I saw. On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 10:04 PM, R Gonet richard.go...@earthlink.net wrote: I don't think the previous writers are being critical. Sarah usually has great stuff but it's illegible. I've given up trying to read her posts, though I would like to, very much. On Dec 16, 2:39 pm, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: I don't think it's necesssary to discuss sarah's posting style on this list. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Whatever you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it. Mahatma Gandhi -- having a blood clot is a sticky situation --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: How durable are zip ties for fenders?
Very neat and secure looking. --- On Tue, 12/16/08, George Schick bhim...@gmail.com wrote: From: George Schick bhim...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: How durable are zip ties for fenders? To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 4:06 PM OK, you can now view the fenders on the MTB at http://www.flickr.com/photos/gp_rider/sets/72157611336739952/ Sorry about the trite indoor against-the-garage-door shoot, but it's cold, snowing, and nasty outside. On Dec 16, 12:35 pm, George Schick bhim...@gmail.com wrote: During the cold, soggy Winter months I put the road bikes away and get out the dual-boinger MTB. But I loathe riding through the crap that those knobby off-road tires kick up from the pulverized limestone trails around this area. So I bought a pair of the widest 65mm fenders that SKS makes, having been warned that regular fenders *can't* be mounted on a dual-suspension frame, and proceeded to do so. The plastic quick detach mounts were fastened to the front shock forks using some of that galvanized steel strap with holes in it that comes in rolls that plumbers use to hang pipe and looks like an over- sized roll of caps that kids use in their toy guns. Wrapping a cut length of this stuff around a fork arm, over a strip of rubber chair tread to protect the finish, a nut and bolt were run through holes and through the quick detach mount and tightened. The brake bolt mount on top of the fender was removed, new holes were drilled on both front and back of where the fender snugs up against the shock fork bridge, and zip ties were run through the holes and over the bridge. Now there's a full-length fender that moves with the wheel instead of the short, nearly useless fender that's typically mounted on the fork crown. For the rear I used vinyl-coated P-clamps around the seat stays along with an additional set of quick detach mounts, the left side mounted higher to clear the disk brake and the fender struts bent to accomodate. Since stay and chain stays are not part of the pivot points for the rear suspension of this particular bike (Trek Fuel 90), I drilled more fender holes where it meets the seat and chain stay bridges and used zip ties to attach. It works perfectly. If I get the chance I'll try to snap a couple of pix of this set up and get them onto a Flicker site or similar. On Dec 16, 11:32 am, fenderbender pedal_kr...@yahoo.se wrote: Same thing nearly happend to me while out training. If there's any room for P-clamps, hose-clamps, bolts 'n nuts with big washers to spread the load then do use'm. Strips of metal from buildingsurply stores can be bent if you cant find the right clamps. If your riding in snow or uneven ground it might save the day. On 16 Dec, 18:17, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: A few years ago, taking a short-cut, I temporarily zip-tied a Berthoud fender to the fork crown of my Atlantis. Temporary became permanent, and I soon forgot to attach the fender with the proper hardware. Months later I was grinding up the steepest hill in these parts on a cold January day, when the zip-tie(s) finally gave out. The front fender rolled into the fork and stopped the wheel dead. I lurched forward and smashed my groin area on the corner of the stem. It hurt. If you're going to do this, I'd recommend a regular check of zip-tie integrity. On Dec 16, 10:52 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I'm cross posting in case some on the RBW list don't subscribe to iBob, and because, of course, zip ties are an Official Rivendell Topic. I've mounted P Bike fat fenders on my 29er, which doesn't have any fender braze ons. Moreover, the seat- and chainstay bridges are flat plates, not tubes. So I've attached the front struts to the fork legs with two zip ties per strut; at the rear, double zips at both bridges and a single one at the end of the Velo Orange bag support to hold the end of the truncated rear fender instead of struts. Given (1) that plastic gets brittle in the cold, and it's cold here; and (2) that the bridges are plates and thus relatively thin of edge: how durable might this attachment setup be? (I have packed extra zip ties in the Nelson.) I should just get some fat P clamps for the fork legs, but what other methods of attachment might I use for the bridge-plates? The rear fender has no metal brackets, just holes for the zip ties. Wire?- Dölj citerad text - - Visa citerad text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at
