[RBW] Re: Can I use my RB-1 parts on a new Riv?

[Joe Bernard]

The hiccup will be rear spacing for the hub, it's 135 OLD on those Rivs, 
RBs used 126 or 130 hubs. 

On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 12:17:11 PM UTC-8 jak...@me.com wrote:

> Hi all, first post, warm greetings.
>
> I have a super nice RB-1 which is too racy for my desires.  I have long 
> been looking at a new Rivendell Hillborne or Appaloosa.  I would love to 
> use my RB-1 parts on it if they will fit.  No worries about over gearing as 
> I am in Florida.
>
> Shimano 600 derailleur, Sugino DGX crank 40/52, Shimano 13/25 cassette, 
> and Shimano RX-100 hubs,  Ritchey stem, Wolber 700c 32H wheels.  I have an 
> Albatross bar, Dia Compe MTB levers and a Brooks B-17 that will transfer 
> over.  
>
> Will the rest of it fit?
>
> I could turn the RB-1 into a fixed gear rig just for occasional 
> punishment. I'm not inclined to sell it.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just purchsed a platypus

[Joe Bernard]

It's a bigger-barrel version of Riv Silver, which works well with Shimano 
geometry. My understanding - others feel free to chime in - is they don't 
work as well with SRAM 1:1 actuation, it will require more throw than the 
lever delivers. It will friction-shift Shimano for sure. 

On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 4:34:31 PM UTC-8 edwardb...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> It says 11 speed compatible on friction. Anyone messed with one of these 
> thumbies before? 
>
> On Sat, Nov 12, 2022 at 2:53 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> *SRAM Rival 1
>>
>> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 2:51:11 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Whatever the biggest cassette/derailer combo Shimano makes is what 
>>> you'll need. I use a SRAM 1 derailer and SunRace 11-50 11-speed cassette on 
>>> a WI hub, but I don't think your Dia-Compe friction shifters work with SRAM 
>>> 1:1 actuation ratio. 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 12:23:32 PM UTC-8 edwardb...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So I'm purchasing all the parts while awaiting shipment. My question:
>>>>
>>>> What is the largest rear cassette/derailleur combo that I can 
>>>> comfortably run with a 1x white industries square taper front crank, 42t, 
>>>> with a single dia-compe ene 11S thumb shifter? I am building the rear 
>>>> wheel 
>>>> with a WI m15 hub shimano hyperglide compatibility. 
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Is a Gus the right choice for me? Would a Platypus be better?

[Joe Bernard]

Jacob, 

I like em, too, and wish I'd kept my Susie for these crazy-choppy roads I 
ended up moving to less than a year after selling it. I really liked that 
huge floaty tire thing, plus the fillet welds are very pretty. If I ever 
find a Gus (or another Susie) in my size at a time when I can cough up the 
cash, that baby is MINE. 

On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 2:46:35 PM UTC-8 jacob...@gmail.com wrote:

> @Mack- Wow that's great to hear. At 6'7'' that's longer than me. The 
> stiffness of the Bridge Club is nice when loaded down but it's not 
> something I look for in a frame. The Lighting Bolt will flex and rides 
> really nice. It's nice to hear that you have the Juan Martin bar. I've been 
> using it on my Trucker and really like it. Thanks for the points of 
> reference! 
>
> @Joe- You are dead correct. 
>
> @Eric- I saw the ad. That's a great looking bike! I'm really looking to 
> build a frame up. I think I enjoy tinker with bike as much as riding them. 
> Good luck with your sale!
>
> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 2:25:58 PM UTC-5 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> I'll just plug that I have a 60cm Rosco Plat for sale 
>> , only 
>> one state away :)
>>
>> [image: IMG_4997.JPG]
>>
>> Eric
>> Plain City, OH
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 12, 2022 at 8:55 AM Jacob Byard  wrote:
>>
>>> I've got the new bike itch and have shortlisted a Gus or possibly a 
>>> Platypus. The Gus has called to me for a couple of years but something or 
>>> other always came up. 
>>>
>>> The purpose of the new bike would be mostly to ride 25-35 miles on paved 
>>> country roads. I live in central Pennsylvania and most of the unpaved stuff 
>>> is rougher than I care to ride. There's trails that I do ride but any bike 
>>> with 45mm tires can handle that. Once a month I'll do a 50-60 mile ride. 
>>>
>>> I do C level group rides but nothing over 12-13 mph. Frequent in town 
>>> rides to get food/ coffee. Maybe some overnight camping. My solo riding 
>>> usually sits around 11 mph unless I'm in a hurry. 
>>>
>>> My torso and arms are long so reach has always been an issue. I know the 
>>> Gus has a long toptube and I think the fit would be a bit better. I'm not a 
>>> fan of super upright positioning. My hand/ wrist got broke in a fall last 
>>> year so I like bars with lots of sweep (Jones Loop is wonderful). 
>>>
>>> Gearing and tires being equal would the Gus perform as well on the road 
>>> as the Platypus?  
>>>
>>> Thanks for the help! 
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Jacob
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Just purchsed a platypus

[Joe Bernard]

*SRAM Rival 1

On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 2:51:11 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Whatever the biggest cassette/derailer combo Shimano makes is what you'll 
> need. I use a SRAM 1 derailer and SunRace 11-50 11-speed cassette on a WI 
> hub, but I don't think your Dia-Compe friction shifters work with SRAM 1:1 
> actuation ratio. 
>
> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 12:23:32 PM UTC-8 edwardb...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> So I'm purchasing all the parts while awaiting shipment. My question:
>>
>> What is the largest rear cassette/derailleur combo that I can comfortably 
>> run with a 1x white industries square taper front crank, 42t, with a single 
>> dia-compe ene 11S thumb shifter? I am building the rear wheel with a WI m15 
>> hub shimano hyperglide compatibility. 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Is a Gus the right choice for me? Would a Platypus be better?

[Joe Bernard]

The Platy is probably the more logical choice for what you describe but 
either will be great and I think you want a Gus. Find one, buy it! 

On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 5:55:02 AM UTC-8 jacob...@gmail.com wrote:

> I've got the new bike itch and have shortlisted a Gus or possibly a 
> Platypus. The Gus has called to me for a couple of years but something or 
> other always came up. 
>
> The purpose of the new bike would be mostly to ride 25-35 miles on paved 
> country roads. I live in central Pennsylvania and most of the unpaved stuff 
> is rougher than I care to ride. There's trails that I do ride but any bike 
> with 45mm tires can handle that. Once a month I'll do a 50-60 mile ride. 
>
> I do C level group rides but nothing over 12-13 mph. Frequent in town 
> rides to get food/ coffee. Maybe some overnight camping. My solo riding 
> usually sits around 11 mph unless I'm in a hurry. 
>
> My torso and arms are long so reach has always been an issue. I know the 
> Gus has a long toptube and I think the fit would be a bit better. I'm not a 
> fan of super upright positioning. My hand/ wrist got broke in a fall last 
> year so I like bars with lots of sweep (Jones Loop is wonderful). 
>
> Gearing and tires being equal would the Gus perform as well on the road as 
> the Platypus?  
>
> Thanks for the help! 
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jacob
>

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[RBW] Re: Wrap Up: My first riding season in Michigan

[Joe Bernard]

Marc seems like a very nice and helpful fellow. And bonus: not a serial 
killer! 

On Friday, November 11, 2022 at 7:45:34 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> As you have likely heard, (because I have been blathering on about it for 
> months) my family moved to Michigan in January 2022. I unpacked and then 
> looked around, noting that I had *zero* friends. By this time I had been 
> riding my Rivendell alone for 10 years and I was sick of it. I wanted 
> friends - *bike friends- *so I went looking for them at the local bike 
> club. I showed up with:
> Group ride experience: zero.
> Club ride experience: zero.
> Knowledge of my ability: close to zero.
>
> But I did know this: I’d probably be the only one riding an upright, steel 
> mixte. The club was founded by racers 50 years ago, yikes. But they were 
> remarkably welcoming, and the kind people from this List sent me Marc 
> Irwin’s email. Turns out, there is one other Rivendell in my local club 
> rides - Marc’s! 
>
> Marc is a Lone Wolf who put aside his solitary tendencies after hearing I 
> had taken a treacherous route into downtown. He decided since it was a 
> matter of life and death he ought to get involved. He offered to meet me 
> and show me safer ways to navigate our city. My desire to have a bike 
> friend was greater than my fear that Marc might be a serial killer, so I 
> agreed. It was such a delight to ride Rivendells together. Prior to this 
> I’d rarely even seen another Rivendell in the wild. If The Lone Wolf felt 
> the same, there was no indication. That is not his way. But, he agreed to 
> the next ride. And the next. We wondered if there were other Rivendell 
> owners who would love the camaraderie we had found. Pretty soon we were 
> planning big rides in SW Michigan for people to join us for trail rides on 
> Rivendell bikes. We hosted two, and there is demand for more of them in 
> Michigan in 2023. 
>
> Our personal Riv Rides take us through Kalamazoo and surrounding areas. We 
> always stop for refreshments - coffee, ice cream, lunch. My role is to call 
> out and remark upon all of the wonderful things I was deprived of during my 
> desert living - trees, flowers, bodies of water, and roadkill. The Lone 
> Wolf is in charge of planning the routes and rolling his eyes heavenward 
> while suffering The Platypus RIder’s effusiveness. It is my job to take all 
> the photos and The Lone Wolf’s job to protest the photos. It is also The 
> Lone Wolf’s job to fix all the stuff that breaks, which has only been his. 
> It is my job remain eternally lost but sublimely happy. 
>
> I have had a lovely time this year; The Lone Wolf has maintained his 
> aloofness. I once joked that he might not have as much fun as I do, and he 
> said, “Well, I haven’t left you out here yet,” so he is clearly 
> delighted.To date, this is the warmest thing he has ever said to me, and it 
> is all the encouragement I need to suggest the next ride, and the next.
>
> I had a great club riding season, and rode with 3 different groups every 
> week in the 16 mph group. Our Friday group went faster though, maybe 17. I 
> met a lot of nice people and gained lots of confidence with road riding. 
> All the metrics I have to measure my fitness are the best they’ve ever 
> been. Ripping around on your bike is fun, but it’s not the best riding I 
> do. The best rides I do are Riv Rides; where I’m free to explore and take 
> the trails and talk without gasping for breath. I’m so excited to continue 
> them in the spring, and maybe for a few stolen warm days over the winter.
>
> I owe a lot of gratitude to the good people of Michigan for making this 
> desert-dweller feel welcome in the Great Lakes Region. Enclosed is my recap 
> of the Riv Rides we did this year. It’s a link to FB because the video is 
> too large to share here. If the link doesn’t work, let me know because the 
> video can be emailed if you want it.
> Leah
> https://www.facebook.com/1566620267/videos/429321249410678/
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Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Joe Bernard]

The lock is touching your (not a) toptube! On the Raspberry Racer!!! I 
can't look. I'm not looking 

On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 3:09:50 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> 
> There’s something really appealing to me about keeping track of the 
> mileage on your Rivendell, and seeing how far it takes you. Pam has close 
> to 69,000 miles on her Betty and I want to know how that feels to have 
> traversed so much ground together. I bet any other bike she throws a leg 
> over feels foreign. And then that makes me want to preserve the bike as 
> best I can, because nothing else will do, so I must keep it close and keep 
> it nice. And therein lies the vicious, precious cycle.
>
> Today I rode with the other Riv Rider in my city, and we stopped for 
> lunch. There was no bike rack so we locked our bikes together and u-locked 
> my wheel. “It will take a truck to move these bikes,” he said. But as he 
> wrapped his Abus Bordo around my top tube, he noticed my grimaced 
> expression. He said it would be fine and it was. I’m working on it, people!
> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg]
> [image: image2.jpeg]
>
> On Nov 8, 2022, at 7:34 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:
>
> 
> I ride my Rivendells for almost everything, but I'm not going to lock them 
> up outside a grocery store or a bar.  Or an outdoor music festival, like 
> Austin City Limits with 75,000 people.  I have my beater for those things.
>
> The Rivs get 99% of all the riding I do.  They get rode hard and put away 
> wet.  Grant needent fret.
>
> Jim
> Austin suburbs, TX
>
> On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 5:15 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Did you read Grant’s Blahg? He covers a lot of ground, but most notable 
>> to me was the Please Don’t Be Precious About Your Rivendell section. In 
>> sum, Grant is saying it saddens him to think of people riding beater bikes 
>> instead of their Rivendells to do daily, monotonous tasks - because those 
>> tasks make up a lot of real life. If one “saves” their Rivendell, it will 
>> not realize its potential, sit mostly unused and then pass to one’s heirs 
>> who will sell it in “near mint” condition on EBay, and how sad. What was 
>> the bike for?
>>
>> I have found myself both guilty and innocent on the matter. My #1 
>> favorite bike is my raspberry Platypus. I ride it all the time, because I 
>> bought it to ride it, but I also dread any harm coming to it, and I do 
>> guard it from that. I got a second Platypus that I dedicated to shopping 
>> and traveling with and promised not to be precious about it. But now and 
>> then I still am tempted to backslide. When traveling to the Philly Bike 
>> Expo I dithered about which bike to bring. I didn’t want my raspberry Platy 
>> damaged while locked up at racks and I feared it being stolen. Roberta 
>> said, “I don’t think you have a choice, Leah. That’s the bike people will 
>> expect you to bring.” And she was right, and I did. 
>>
>> Then, there is Pam. Pam is at the other far end of the spectrum. Her bike 
>> is a model of beausage. Innumerable paint chips and little spots of rust 
>> cover her tiny Betty frame. Her Backabike bags are full of holes and the 
>> elastic closures are worn out. She locks it up and never worries about it. 
>> She did not obsessively stare out the restaurant window to see if it was 
>> still locked to the rack while we were at dinner (like yours truly). But 
>> she loves her bike, has real affection for it. She looked at me, eyes 
>> shining, and said exactly that. Ana, PurpleRiv, is another good example to 
>> us. She adores her bike, but has not spared it from hard work. Her bike has 
>> hauled obscene loads and taken her everywhere. I remember there was that 
>> one fateful camping trip for she 1. Posed it for a photo, only to have it 
>> topple and slide down the face of a boulder next to it. I believe she said 
>> she sat there and wept for 2 hours over her Joe Bell paint. And who among 
>> us would not do the same? 2. Same trip, another photo op, and the bike fell 
>> off a cliff. 
>>
>> So, who truly loves their Rivendell? The one who lavishes it with care 
>> and protection? Or the one who pulls it out of the garage and into all of 
>> life - the mundane and the adventurous? 
>>
>> On one end of the spectrum we have those who will only take a Rivendell 
>> out for special occasions so as not to spoil it, and on the other…well, we 
>> have Pam and Ana, who will give it a good thrashing. (Oh, don’t take it 
>> personally, friends, I’m being funny about both types of owners.)
>>
>> I find myself wanting to be precious but fighting it and succeeding 
>> *most* of the time. I’m lucky that the raspberry paint hides beausage and 
>> dirt, so it looks pretty new. But a dent in the top tube or a large chip in 
>> the paint would really hurt my feelings. Heaven help me. 
>>
>> Where are you on the spectrum? What words of wisdom might you have? What 
>> strategies do you employ? Do you want to 

[RBW] Re: Platypus and Mini-Motos?

[Joe Bernard]

Or you'll find somebody who has MiniMotos on a Platy. Could go either way 

On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 6:52:23 PM UTC-8 CoalTrain wrote:

> I have Mini-Motos on my Platypus and love them, I run 42's with plenty of 
> room. I'll take a pic later on to show the clearance.
>
> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 8:14:57 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> You're probably not going to find someone with MiniMotos on a Platy so I 
>> did a bit of sleuthing. I have Motolites on my Riv custom with 47mm tires, 
>> the straddle wire height is 103mm, here's the clearance I show. MiniMotos 
>> have an 81mm straddle height, I think that 22mm difference is going to bite 
>> you and that's not including that one of the arms bends over even lower. 
>>
>> I'd recommend the Motolites for her bike, they're super extremely 
>> amazing. 
>>
>> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 3:38:40 PM UTC-8 stoker wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all - 
>>> I received my wife’s 50cm Platypus last week. I am setting it up with 
>>> Cliffhangers and 650b x 48 tires (Switchback Hills). I am wondering if 
>>> Mini-Motos would have sufficient clearance at the straddle wire. Has any 
>>> body tried this combination (or something similar?)
>>>
>>> Thanks all - Bob
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Kickstand plates, what's up with that?

[Joe Bernard]

You're welcome! Although I now realize my follow-up was completely 
redundant, i didn't notice Jim had mentioned the plastic clamp, too, I just 
repeated what he said. Lame! 浪

On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 5:39:43 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Whew, thanks, guys! Super relieved. You have no idea. 
>
> On Nov 6, 2022, at 2:10 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> Seconding Jim's thoughts about your phone mount. I see a turn-by-hand 
> screw and plastic clamp, you'll break the clamp before crushing the bar if 
> you ever screwed it down that hard. 
>
>
> A little blue Loctite on the threads of that screw should keep it tight. 
>
> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 4:33:20 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I read the product description which warns of over tightening and ruining 
>> the frame. And then I thought of my new phone handlebar mount that affixes 
>> to the bar like a vice and wondered if I’m ruining my Billie Bars! I find 
>> myself having to tighten it a smidge now and then, and I wonder if it’s 
>> because it’s mashing the aluminum Billie Bar. Can anyone offer an opinion 
>> here? (I got a new iPhone and it’s huge and heavy, for what it’s worth.)
>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>
>> On Nov 6, 2022, at 7:10 AM, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY  
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/pletscher-kickstand-hardware?variant=23336090241
>>
>> Save the plate! Add some weight!
>> -Kai
>>
>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 1:12:04 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I thought I'd bring this over here instead of continuing to hammer 
>>> Leah's 'Using Your Rivendell' thread. 
>>>
>>> Do we have any reports of plates separating from the stays from a 
>>> single-leg kickstand, or are they all double-leggers? My experience with 
>>> both is this: 
>>>
>>> I used a double-legger on a Clem and could really load that bike up, I'm 
>>> familiar with that rocking sensation of all the weight torquing on the 
>>> stand. On my custom I use a single leg (the stock one that came on Clem 
>>> completes a few years ago) and it's not very strong. It supports the bike 
>>> fine and I can put a small shopping load in the bags, but as soon as I 
>>> start to overdo it I can feel the bike getting wobbly like the stand wants 
>>> to give out on me. My guess in this scenario is the single-legger is 
>>> warning me before the plate gets too stressed, whilst the double will let 
>>> you load all day until the plate gives up. 
>>>
>>> Whaddyathink? 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Kickstand plates, what's up with that?

[Joe Bernard]

Man that's alotta typos.

* how to park my bike without scraping it on poles and walls.

On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 2:25:28 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> [ I thank-you Joe Bernard for diverting Leah's 'Using Your Rivendell' 
> thread into a separate thread about "Kickstand plates, what's up with that 
> ?" ]
>
> I'm always here to help! ‍♂️ Or annoy people, depending on your POV! 
>
> I'm definitely going to keep my one-legger and try not to snap anything. I 
> tried kickstandless for a few weeks and it drove me nuts trying to figure 
> out how to part my bike with scraping it on poles and walls. Kickstands for 
> me! 
>
> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 2:03:43 PM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:
>
>> I thank-you Joe Bernard for diverting Leah's 'Using Your Rivendell' 
>> thread into a separate thread about "Kickstand plates, what's up with that 
>> ?"
>>
>> Upon you doing this, your timing is perfect. Like I mentioned previously, 
>> I just installed my new Pletscher two legged kickstand and the new rubber 
>> shoes for the feet of the stand on my Clem Smith Jr. "L" bike. I had the 
>> same set-up on my 2008 Surly Long Haul Trucker with no issues in the short 
>> time that I owned it. 
>>
>> I am very grateful to read all the valuable input and experiences with 
>> their kickstand plates. 
>>
>> What I plan on doing is to remove my Pletscher two legged kickstand and 
>> put the single kickstand back on my bike for the time being. I am going to 
>> order the Pletscher kickstand hardware from Rivendell and install the 
>> rubber chain stay protectors with the long bolt and reinstall the two 
>> legged kickstand. I want to preserve my kickstand plate being the third 
>> owner in less than a year. 
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA.
>>
>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 11:10:44 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Seconding Jim's thoughts about your phone mount. I see a turn-by-hand 
>>> screw and plastic clamp, you'll break the clamp before crushing the bar if 
>>> you ever screwed it down that hard. 
>>>
>>> A little blue Loctite on the threads of that screw should keep it tight. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 4:33:20 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I read the product description which warns of over tightening and 
>>>> ruining the frame. And then I thought of my new phone handlebar mount that 
>>>> affixes to the bar like a vice and wondered if I’m ruining my Billie Bars! 
>>>> I find myself having to tighten it a smidge now and then, and I wonder if 
>>>> it’s because it’s mashing the aluminum Billie Bar. Can anyone offer an 
>>>> opinion here? (I got a new iPhone and it’s huge and heavy, for what it’s 
>>>> worth.)
>>>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 6, 2022, at 7:10 AM, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/pletscher-kickstand-hardware?variant=23336090241
>>>>
>>>> Save the plate! Add some weight!
>>>> -Kai
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 1:12:04 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I thought I'd bring this over here instead of continuing to hammer 
>>>>> Leah's 'Using Your Rivendell' thread. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Do we have any reports of plates separating from the stays from a 
>>>>> single-leg kickstand, or are they all double-leggers? My experience with 
>>>>> both is this: 
>>>>>
>>>>> I used a double-legger on a Clem and could really load that bike up, 
>>>>> I'm familiar with that rocking sensation of all the weight torquing on 
>>>>> the 
>>>>> stand. On my custom I use a single leg (the stock one that came on Clem 
>>>>> completes a few years ago) and it's not very strong. It supports the bike 
>>>>> fine and I can put a small shopping load in the bags, but as soon as I 
>>>>> start to overdo it I can feel the bike getting wobbly like the stand 
>>>>> wants 
>>>>> to give out on me. My guess in this scenario is the single-legger is 
>>>>> warning me before the plate gets too stressed, whilst the double will let 
>>>>> you load all day until the plate gives up. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Whaddyathink? 
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>>>
>>>> -- 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Kickstand plates, what's up with that?

[Joe Bernard]

[ I thank-you Joe Bernard for diverting Leah's 'Using Your Rivendell' 
thread into a separate thread about "Kickstand plates, what's up with that 
?" ]

I'm always here to help! ‍♂️ Or annoy people, depending on your POV! 

I'm definitely going to keep my one-legger and try not to snap anything. I 
tried kickstandless for a few weeks and it drove me nuts trying to figure 
out how to part my bike with scraping it on poles and walls. Kickstands for 
me! 

On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 2:03:43 PM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:

> I thank-you Joe Bernard for diverting Leah's 'Using Your Rivendell' thread 
> into a separate thread about "Kickstand plates, what's up with that ?"
>
> Upon you doing this, your timing is perfect. Like I mentioned previously, 
> I just installed my new Pletscher two legged kickstand and the new rubber 
> shoes for the feet of the stand on my Clem Smith Jr. "L" bike. I had the 
> same set-up on my 2008 Surly Long Haul Trucker with no issues in the short 
> time that I owned it. 
>
> I am very grateful to read all the valuable input and experiences with 
> their kickstand plates. 
>
> What I plan on doing is to remove my Pletscher two legged kickstand and 
> put the single kickstand back on my bike for the time being. I am going to 
> order the Pletscher kickstand hardware from Rivendell and install the 
> rubber chain stay protectors with the long bolt and reinstall the two 
> legged kickstand. I want to preserve my kickstand plate being the third 
> owner in less than a year. 
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA.
>
> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 11:10:44 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Seconding Jim's thoughts about your phone mount. I see a turn-by-hand 
>> screw and plastic clamp, you'll break the clamp before crushing the bar if 
>> you ever screwed it down that hard. 
>>
>> A little blue Loctite on the threads of that screw should keep it tight. 
>>
>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 4:33:20 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I read the product description which warns of over tightening and 
>>> ruining the frame. And then I thought of my new phone handlebar mount that 
>>> affixes to the bar like a vice and wondered if I’m ruining my Billie Bars! 
>>> I find myself having to tighten it a smidge now and then, and I wonder if 
>>> it’s because it’s mashing the aluminum Billie Bar. Can anyone offer an 
>>> opinion here? (I got a new iPhone and it’s huge and heavy, for what it’s 
>>> worth.)
>>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>>
>>> On Nov 6, 2022, at 7:10 AM, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/pletscher-kickstand-hardware?variant=23336090241
>>>
>>> Save the plate! Add some weight!
>>> -Kai
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 1:12:04 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>>> I thought I'd bring this over here instead of continuing to hammer 
>>>> Leah's 'Using Your Rivendell' thread. 
>>>>
>>>> Do we have any reports of plates separating from the stays from a 
>>>> single-leg kickstand, or are they all double-leggers? My experience with 
>>>> both is this: 
>>>>
>>>> I used a double-legger on a Clem and could really load that bike up, 
>>>> I'm familiar with that rocking sensation of all the weight torquing on the 
>>>> stand. On my custom I use a single leg (the stock one that came on Clem 
>>>> completes a few years ago) and it's not very strong. It supports the bike 
>>>> fine and I can put a small shopping load in the bags, but as soon as I 
>>>> start to overdo it I can feel the bike getting wobbly like the stand wants 
>>>> to give out on me. My guess in this scenario is the single-legger is 
>>>> warning me before the plate gets too stressed, whilst the double will let 
>>>> you load all day until the plate gives up. 
>>>>
>>>> Whaddyathink? 
>>>>
>>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Kickstand plates, what's up with that?

[Joe Bernard]

Seconding Jim's thoughts about your phone mount. I see a turn-by-hand screw 
and plastic clamp, you'll break the clamp before crushing the bar if you 
ever screwed it down that hard. 

A little blue Loctite on the threads of that screw should keep it tight. 

On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 4:33:20 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I read the product description which warns of over tightening and ruining 
> the frame. And then I thought of my new phone handlebar mount that affixes 
> to the bar like a vice and wondered if I’m ruining my Billie Bars! I find 
> myself having to tighten it a smidge now and then, and I wonder if it’s 
> because it’s mashing the aluminum Billie Bar. Can anyone offer an opinion 
> here? (I got a new iPhone and it’s huge and heavy, for what it’s worth.)
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> On Nov 6, 2022, at 7:10 AM, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY  
> wrote:
>
> 
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/pletscher-kickstand-hardware?variant=23336090241
>
> Save the plate! Add some weight!
> -Kai
>
> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 1:12:04 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I thought I'd bring this over here instead of continuing to hammer Leah's 
>> 'Using Your Rivendell' thread. 
>>
>> Do we have any reports of plates separating from the stays from a 
>> single-leg kickstand, or are they all double-leggers? My experience with 
>> both is this: 
>>
>> I used a double-legger on a Clem and could really load that bike up, I'm 
>> familiar with that rocking sensation of all the weight torquing on the 
>> stand. On my custom I use a single leg (the stock one that came on Clem 
>> completes a few years ago) and it's not very strong. It supports the bike 
>> fine and I can put a small shopping load in the bags, but as soon as I 
>> start to overdo it I can feel the bike getting wobbly like the stand wants 
>> to give out on me. My guess in this scenario is the single-legger is 
>> warning me before the plate gets too stressed, whilst the double will let 
>> you load all day until the plate gives up. 
>>
>> Whaddyathink? 
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>>
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[RBW] Kickstand plates, what's up with that?

[Joe Bernard]

I thought I'd bring this over here instead of continuing to hammer Leah's 
'Using Your Rivendell' thread. 

Do we have any reports of plates separating from the stays from a 
single-leg kickstand, or are they all double-leggers? My experience with 
both is this: 

I used a double-legger on a Clem and could really load that bike up, I'm 
familiar with that rocking sensation of all the weight torquing on the 
stand. On my custom I use a single leg (the stock one that came on Clem 
completes a few years ago) and it's not very strong. It supports the bike 
fine and I can put a small shopping load in the bags, but as soon as I 
start to overdo it I can feel the bike getting wobbly like the stand wants 
to give out on me. My guess in this scenario is the single-legger is 
warning me before the plate gets too stressed, whilst the double will let 
you load all day until the plate gives up. 

Whaddyathink? 

Joe Bernard 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Joe Bernard]

Leah, I had to do an honest soul-searching about what kind of riding I like 
to do and where the custom is supposed to fit in it. As you know I'm not 
very good at riding to "just ride"..I like to have a place to go, a thing 
to do somewhere on the loop. If I have a designated beater bike for those 
kinds of rides I'll always be on my beater and the Riv will sit gleaming in 
a room. So I said to heck with that! I'm still careful and wouldn't leave 
it locked up outside all day, but I ride my Rivendell. It's comfortable and 
useful and gorgeous and I love it!  


On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 4:24:35 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Joe, I *know* how worried you were about your paint and now your custom 
> hauls laundry?! This is huge, huge progress. So impressed. And locking up 
> at Walmart can be really scary. Good for you. I’m so glad your custom is 
> doing all the things you meant for it to do. I’m sure you would never be 
> happy riding a beater bike to do these things.
> L
>
> On Nov 5, 2022, at 7:14 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> I love this topic! I had my custom designed to answer the question, "What 
> if I had all the qualities I love about Rivendells in a frame made exactly 
> for my size, weight and riding preferences?", and at first I was super 
> precious about it. Later I realized the whole point was to have a perfect 
> bike I could ride every day for everything and that's what I'm doing.
>
>
> Of course I'm still absurdly touchy about scratching all that beautiful 
> Joe Bell paint but I don't let it stop me, I lock it up at Walmart, I fill 
> the bags with laundry and go to the laundromat. Because I want my bike to 
> do all the things bikes do!
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 3:15:18 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Did you read Grant’s Blahg? He covers a lot of ground, but most notable 
>> to me was the Please Don’t Be Precious About Your Rivendell section. In 
>> sum, Grant is saying it saddens him to think of people riding beater bikes 
>> instead of their Rivendells to do daily, monotonous tasks - because those 
>> tasks make up a lot of real life. If one “saves” their Rivendell, it will 
>> not realize its potential, sit mostly unused and then pass to one’s heirs 
>> who will sell it in “near mint” condition on EBay, and how sad. What was 
>> the bike for?
>>
>> I have found myself both guilty and innocent on the matter. My #1 
>> favorite bike is my raspberry Platypus. I ride it all the time, because I 
>> bought it to ride it, but I also dread any harm coming to it, and I do 
>> guard it from that. I got a second Platypus that I dedicated to shopping 
>> and traveling with and promised not to be precious about it. But now and 
>> then I still am tempted to backslide. When traveling to the Philly Bike 
>> Expo I dithered about which bike to bring. I didn’t want my raspberry Platy 
>> damaged while locked up at racks and I feared it being stolen. Roberta 
>> said, “I don’t think you have a choice, Leah. That’s the bike people will 
>> expect you to bring.” And she was right, and I did. 
>>
>> Then, there is Pam. Pam is at the other far end of the spectrum. Her bike 
>> is a model of beausage. Innumerable paint chips and little spots of rust 
>> cover her tiny Betty frame. Her Backabike bags are full of holes and the 
>> elastic closures are worn out. She locks it up and never worries about it. 
>> She did not obsessively stare out the restaurant window to see if it was 
>> still locked to the rack while we were at dinner (like yours truly). But 
>> she loves her bike, has real affection for it. She looked at me, eyes 
>> shining, and said exactly that. Ana, PurpleRiv, is another good example to 
>> us. She adores her bike, but has not spared it from hard work. Her bike has 
>> hauled obscene loads and taken her everywhere. I remember there was that 
>> one fateful camping trip for she 1. Posed it for a photo, only to have it 
>> topple and slide down the face of a boulder next to it. I believe she said 
>> she sat there and wept for 2 hours over her Joe Bell paint. And who among 
>> us would not do the same? 2. Same trip, another photo op, and the bike fell 
>> off a cliff. 
>>
>> So, who truly loves their Rivendell? The one who lavishes it with care 
>> and protection? Or the one who pulls it out of the garage and into all of 
>> life - the mundane and the adventurous? 
>>
>> On one end of the spectrum we have those who will only take a Rivendell 
>> out for special occasions so as not to spoil it, and on the other…well, we 
>> have Pam and Ana, who will give it a good thrashing.

[RBW] Re: FS: Thumb shifters

[Joe Bernard]

I can't see the pics in that link. Which brands are on the shifters? 

On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 7:08:17 PM UTC-7 Kim Hetzel wrote:

> I have a pair of used thumb shifters. They came off of my Clem Smith Jr. 
> "L" bike, which is gear as a 2x9. Personally, I do not care for them. I 
> switched them out and I installed a pair of Suntour BARCON ratchet bar end 
> shifters from my parts drawer.
>
> The shifters are from different manufacturers. One of the shifters for the 
> rear derailleurs has a scuff mark at the end of the lever. They both 
> functioned well prior to removal on my nine cogged cassette.
>
> $50.00, shipped in the CONUS
>
> Thank-you for your interest,
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA.
>
> Pictures here 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roscoe geo

[Joe Bernard]

Nope, it doesn't exist. We need Platy owners to post the effective toptube 
measurements they get, then you'll at least know ST and ETT for these 
frames. 

On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 10:30:25 AM UTC-7 Lucky wrote:

> I just went looking for it and didn’t find it, was about to ask where it 
> us.
> —Liz
>
> On Nov 2, 2022, at 10:20, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>
> Have they posted the Platy geometry? It seems to me they don't publish 
> that info anymore like they used to.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 11:08:58 AM UTC-4 Wesley wrote:
>
>> Hi Liz,
>> Rosco Platy geometry is identical to the Platypus frame, so you can check 
>> those numbers.
>> -W
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 7:36:44 AM UTC-7 Lucky wrote:
>>
>>> Good morning all, I apologize if this is easily obtained info but I’m 
>>> looking for the Roscoe Platy geometry and not finding it. I find 
>>> conversations about it but not the numbers. Can someone please direct me? 
>>> Thanks, Liz in Sacramento 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Paul Canti-lever alternatives

[Joe Bernard]

The problem with Paul levers is they make everything else feel 
not-so-great. I have Pauls (long pull) on my Riv Custom and every time I 
hop on my Bike Friday with Avid levers... atrocious! 

On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 9:56:49 AM UTC-7 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have the Paul’s on my Sam and while they were pricey and I kicked myself 
> for spending that much on levers, they are definitely “forever” levers. 
> They have a feel to them that no other lever I’ve tried can match. Those in 
> combination with Mini-Motos and the brakes are almost “too” good. I had to 
> loosen the cables so I don’t instantly lock up my wheels. They are hands 
> down my favorite levers. Seems like there’s a pun in there somewhere. 
>
> Joe
>
> On Nov 1, 2022, at 9:39 AM, Collin A  wrote:
>
> Sorry folks, just to clarify I have a pair of the Tektro levers that I am 
> looking to offhaul, not the Pauls sadly!
>
>
> Collin, vaguely speaking, in Sacramento
>
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 8:36:23 AM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:
>
>> And I have a used pair collecting dust that I'm looking to offhaul :)
>>
>> I wouldn't say they are the same quality, though, and you'll be hard to 
>> find something of the same quality, but cheaper (except for the IRD levers 
>> that soma sells, but those are still $100+). Part of the reason the Pauls 
>> are so nice is because they have bearings instead of pivots, that alone is 
>> hard to find.
>>
>> Collin
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 8:30:37 AM UTC-7 thetaper...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> For the price, I'm a fan of the Tektro FL750 levers 
>>> . Quite comfortable and 
>>> stylish IMO.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 11:22:12 AM UTC-4 BobW wrote:
>>>
 I'm planning to reconfigure my Sam Hillborne from drop bars to 
 upright/flat/sweptback bars; so am looking for short pull brake lever 
 options.  I love the Paul Canti Levers, but they are a bit pricey.  
 Looking 
 for "affordable" suggestions for silver levers of similar quality to the 
 Pauls.  Thanks!
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Philadelphia Bike Expo 2022

[Joe Bernard]

Such great stories and pics! I love Pam and The Carbon Guy, I could picture 
the whole thing and hear it in Pam's voice, so delicious 

You're so right about kickstands, I pulled mine off the custom for a while 
in a ridiculous journey towards "make it lighter" and it was sheer misery. 
The kickstand is back! 

Joe Bernard 
On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 10:15:04 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> What Pam is not telling you is that I would have to figure out how to do 
> it from her 2007 Apple iPod, with its geriatric operating system, lol! I 
> did do a mini Instagram takeover of her account but gave up fairly soon 
> because it was 1 am and also because it was WORK to post from that device! 
> Pam, I know it might kill you to get an iPhone, but I think it might be 
> time. 
>
> Glad your last night went well; next year just get a room with me and we 
> can do all the IG takeovers and stay up too late and always have a riding 
> partner to get to our room.
>
>
> On Oct 31, 2022, at 1:08 PM, Pam Bikes  wrote:
>
> I have pictures but Leah will need to tell me how to post them.  And I'm 
> at the airport.  Somehow I slept ok b/c I was so tired from the prior 
> days.  So much fun!  
>
>
>
> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 12:25:02 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>
>> (Do not read until you watch the scandalous video Leah posted above.)
>>
>> Scandalous? Perhaps.  Or not.
>>
>>  I asked Will and he cannot get the seat high enough, so biking on those 
>> “sucks the fun out of biking” city bikes hurt his knees with the saddle too 
>> low, and one of those bikes in the video helps. James and Vince needed to 
>> keep up. 
>>
>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 10:26:12 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Scandalous video of the Rivendell staff:
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Phil and Shimano BBs, mirrors

[Joe Bernard]

One mirror left, the longer one with a strap. 

On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 12:54:32 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Bottom brackets gone (pro tip: if you have an old Phil price it higher 
> than I did, the response was bonkers!) 
>
> Mirrors free for shipping cost, should be about $10 per box. 
>
> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 11:36:09 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Phil sold, Shimano pending. 
>>
>> Mirrors $20 each shipped. 
>>
>> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:58:28 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Random parts kicking around that I'm tired of kicking. Everything $25 
>>> each shipped, cheaper if bundled for one shipping price. 
>>>
>>> Old Phil 68 x 113 BB, English thread, pulled from a used Riv, spins 
>>> smooth, comes with new Phil BB tool I bought for it. 
>>>
>>> New Shimano 68 x 127 BB, English, installed once, was way too long for 
>>> the cranks and immediately pulled out of the frame.
>>>
>>> Busch + Müller mirrors, one wraps the bar, one is bar-end.   
>>>
>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/WBheYrzV4uz27iae7
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>> joeremi62 gmail com
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Phil and Shimano BBs, mirrors

[Joe Bernard]

Bottom brackets gone (pro tip: if you have an old Phil price it higher than 
I did, the response was bonkers!) 

Mirrors free for shipping cost, should be about $10 per box. 

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 11:36:09 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Phil sold, Shimano pending. 
>
> Mirrors $20 each shipped. 
>
> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:58:28 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Random parts kicking around that I'm tired of kicking. Everything $25 
>> each shipped, cheaper if bundled for one shipping price. 
>>
>> Old Phil 68 x 113 BB, English thread, pulled from a used Riv, spins 
>> smooth, comes with new Phil BB tool I bought for it. 
>>
>> New Shimano 68 x 127 BB, English, installed once, was way too long for 
>> the cranks and immediately pulled out of the frame.
>>
>> Busch + Müller mirrors, one wraps the bar, one is bar-end.   
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/WBheYrzV4uz27iae7
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>> joeremi62 gmail com
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Phil and Shimano BBs, mirrors

[Joe Bernard]

Phil sold, Shimano pending. 

Mirrors $20 each shipped. 

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:58:28 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Random parts kicking around that I'm tired of kicking. Everything $25 each 
> shipped, cheaper if bundled for one shipping price. 
>
> Old Phil 68 x 113 BB, English thread, pulled from a used Riv, spins 
> smooth, comes with new Phil BB tool I bought for it. 
>
> New Shimano 68 x 127 BB, English, installed once, was way too long for the 
> cranks and immediately pulled out of the frame.
>
> Busch + Müller mirrors, one wraps the bar, one is bar-end.   
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/WBheYrzV4uz27iae7
>
> Joe Bernard
> joeremi62 gmail com
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[RBW] FS: Phil and Shimano BBs, mirrors

[Joe Bernard]

Random parts kicking around that I'm tired of kicking. Everything $25 each 
shipped, cheaper if bundled for one shipping price. 

Old Phil 68 x 113 BB, English thread, pulled from a used Riv, spins smooth, 
comes with new Phil BB tool I bought for it. 

New Shimano 68 x 127 BB, English, installed once, was way too long for the 
cranks and immediately pulled out of the frame.

Busch + Müller mirrors, one wraps the bar, one is bar-end.   

https://photos.app.goo.gl/WBheYrzV4uz27iae7

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Re: [RBW] Re: Philadelphia Bike Expo 2022

[Joe Bernard]

> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEDra8YR8-s> gives a pretty good 
>>>>> idea of the flow of things. 
>>>>>
>>>>> I found it helpful to do a quick surface walk around all the booths 
>>>>> and displays without stopping, then returning to check out booths that 
>>>>> caught my attention. There is no end of stuff to dive into and people to 
>>>>> chat with. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Things I'd check out this year: Rivendell, Paul Component, King Cage, 
>>>>> Silca, Chapman Cycles, Fat Chance, Sal's Bikes, Jubilee Mfg, Breadwinner, 
>>>>> Merry Sales, White Ind, Velocity, Sinewave. Whoever has good decaf 
>>>>> espresso. Always cool to check in with yr fave brands because they often 
>>>>> have custom swag. 
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't make it to any of the talks but there are always a few I wish 
>>>>> I had time for. 
>>>>>
>>>>> The bike valet is fun and you'll see lots of great bikes and nice 
>>>>> people who have some overlapping interests. On my way there I got several 
>>>>> shout outs for my Appaloosa from strangers passing by. Plus, the people 
>>>>> you 
>>>>> might run into from this here forum! 
>>>>>
>>>>> A few things that were fun last year: 
>>>>>
>>>>> Riv — James, Vince and Will were there with three demo bikes. Small 
>>>>> booth, no frills, great to meet them and to see a few frames I hadn't 
>>>>> seen 
>>>>> in real life. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Analog/Tanglefoot — An elaborate setup with a cast iron wood stove, 
>>>>> lots of antiques, tree branches, oil lanterns and old albumen print 
>>>>> photographs to set the mood. Then a few Tumbleweed demo bikes, tons of 
>>>>> their custom anodized parts (clamps, ferrules, Nitto racks, seatposts, 
>>>>> etc.). Stickers, hats, coozies. Other stuff I'm forgetting! 
>>>>>
>>>>> VAR tools — Coool French tool maker, straightforward display. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Crust and Casa Verde — A few demo bikes, lots of their MUSA clothing, 
>>>>> maybe some bars and pedals and stuff. Their booth was pretty big. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Ron's Bikes — Ron brought a lot of his own bikes and had them on 
>>>>> display along with waxed bags, caps, bandanas and Ultradynamico tires. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Champman Cycles — Really fun to see Brian Chapman's work in person, 
>>>>> just incredible. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Cobra Frame building — Joe has a very sick frame building shop and 
>>>>> manufactures frame building jigs and equipment. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Wahoo / Zwift?? — There was a big display of stationary trainers set 
>>>>> up with virtual reality screens for at-home riding. Not my thing at all, 
>>>>> they clearly spent the most money for the primo spots but a nice reminder 
>>>>> that "Hey, you are at a Bicycle Expo! Witness the future!" 
>>>>>
>>>>> I was with a friend who is not obsessed with bikes so my trip was 
>>>>> shorter than I would have liked. 
>>>>> On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 2:59:50 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> With the disclaimer that the chances of me making it to this shindig 
>>>>>> are very low - it's all the way across the country and I hate flying, I 
>>>>>> don't know how the catsitter thing would work, I'm borderline 
>>>>>> agoraphobic..the list goes on! - what exactly IS a bike expo? What 
>>>>>> happens 
>>>>>> there? 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe "so many questions" Bernard 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 5:03:22 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oct 29 and 30, downtown Philadelphia, easily accessible by car, 
>>>>>>> Septa, NJ Transit, Amtrak, Greyhound, etc.,  and bike!  They also have 
>>>>>>> free 
>>>>>>> valet bike parking inside. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://phillybikeexpo.com/  
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[RBW] Re: Private message regarding: FS: New SON delux 12 Hub Dynamo - Centerlock - 32 Holes - 12x100mm - silver anodized

[Joe Bernard]

Well he seems fun 

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 1:56:24 PM UTC-7 thoma...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Alex, you’ll probably get a lot fewer requests for pricing if you 
> actually include it in the post. I’m sure you “know what you have” but how 
> can anyone lowball you if you don’t post an asking price? 
>
> Unfortunately, my question remains: how much money do you want for your 
> for sale items?
>
> Thomas in Portland, Oregon
> On Oct 28, 2022, 4:16 PM -0400, Alexander Gutierrez , 
> wrote:
>
> Hi, sorry, if you're gonna low ball me, please dont bother,
>
> On Fri, Oct 28, 2022 at 12:56 PM Thomas Lawn  wrote:
>
>> Hi, I'm curious as to your asking price and shipping to 97214.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>
>> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 11:13:49 AM UTC-4 gutier...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Includes SON 12 mm Thru-Axle Adapter.
>>>
>>> Also have a new Nitto UI-12 thread stem - 100mm/31.8 clamp from BlueLug
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: German mirror

[Joe Bernard]

Mirror acquired. Thanks everybody! ‍♂️

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 12:52:26 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I've sold off a few of these over the years and of course now I'm one 
> short. Anybody got one? 
>
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[RBW] WTB: German mirror

[Joe Bernard]

I've sold off a few of these over the years and of course now I'm one 
short. Anybody got one? 

Joe Bernard
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Re: [RBW] Re: Betty Foy Sizing & Search

[Joe Bernard]

And I'm the idiot who didn't even mention the in-stock-available-now 
Platypus. Why am I even on this group?? 浪臘

On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 5:48:39 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:

> I agree the 50 cm Platypus would seem to be a fit. And, they are in stock 
> as Leah said which is unusual as of late. Leah has shared her two builds, 
> one fast and one for hauling stuff. They are so versatile!
> Doug
>
> On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 7:35:50 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> 55 Betty vs 55 Platypus
>> [image: image0.png]
>> [image: image1.jpeg]
>>
>> On Oct 24, 2022, at 7:22 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I’m 5’6” and my Betty Foy was actually a 55. Riv changed the sizing over 
>> the years; I think my Betty was in their final run. I think it will be 
>> really hard to find that bicycle, but a 50 cm Platypus is a wonderful bike, 
>> and it is available from Rivendell now. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 5:21:40 PM UTC-4 Jeffrey Arita wrote:
>>
>>> My wife had a 58cm Betty Foy.  She is about 5' - 6" tall and when we 
>>> visited Rivendell, they advised that as her size.  We were a bit hesitant, 
>>> but upon receiving the completed bike it fit her well since it is a 
>>> step-through.  As noted, Riv recommended (at that time) Albatross 
>>> handlebars - they come back toward the rider and it is nice and upright, so 
>>> good fit is not too difficult.  Thus, I think your wife would fit a 52cm no 
>>> problem.  My wife did use it for commuting purposes, too (until we plugged 
>>> the plug).
>>>
>>> Yes, I think it might be a bit hard to find a Betty Foy.  Maybe the 
>>> Platypus?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>> Claremont, CA
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 12:00:06 PM UTC-7 mmille...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hello all,

 I've been looking for a step-through for my wife. She specifically 
 likes a Betty Foy, but really anything "pretty" would work. She's not 
 really in to changing gears a lot, and this would also be for commuting 
 and 
 trail rides <10 miles. Does this crew have any ideas/bikes?

 Also, it's tough to find sizing on the Betty Foy bikes. Does anyone 
 have old material or could chime in with their size? I've searched and 
 searched, but been coming up empty.

 She's 5'4" with a 77 PBH.

 Thanks,
 Matt in STL

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[RBW] Re: Betty Foy Sizing & Search

[Joe Bernard]

There's also the Cheviot, which was the Betty in new sizes. Here's the 
geometry including the 50cm, which kinda splits the difference between the 
old 47 and 52. 

https://bikeinsights.com/bikes/5ac6ca66ccd96500145cc388-rivendell-bicycle-works-cheviot?build=base=2019



On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 1:19:24 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Bettys came in 47 and 52cm and mimic pretty closely the Same Hillborne 
> geometry of the same era. I'm an inch taller than your wife and would 
> probably be fine on either of those sizes, I suspect she would be happier 
> on the 47 (if you can ever find one, I've only ever seen 52s up for sale). 
> You'll have better luck finding a 45cm Clem L, I had one with Boscos which 
> made the bike a tad short in the cockpit, I'll bet it would have been 
> perfect for her. (I'm referring to the older 26-inch-wheel bike, the new 
> 650B model is a longer-toptube frame).
>
> With either of these frames there's quite a lot of sizing leeway to be had 
> with handlebar choice cuz there's no high toptube to mess with. 
>
> For someone who doesn't want to shift much I recommend a 1x drivetrain. My 
> custom uses a SRAM trigger shifter and derailer, 36t front ring and SunRace 
> 11-50 11-speed cassette. I do shift a lot and it's partially cuz the thing 
> is so simple and easy to operate.*
>
> *My shifter is upside down and backwards on the left cuz I have a dodgy 
> right hand. It's supposed to be under the bar on the right.  
>
> Joe Bernard 
> On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 12:00:06 PM UTC-7 mmille...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I've been looking for a step-through for my wife. She specifically likes 
>> a Betty Foy, but really anything "pretty" would work. She's not really in 
>> to changing gears a lot, and this would also be for commuting and trail 
>> rides <10 miles. Does this crew have any ideas/bikes?
>>
>> Also, it's tough to find sizing on the Betty Foy bikes. Does anyone have 
>> old material or could chime in with their size? I've searched and searched, 
>> but been coming up empty.
>>
>> She's 5'4" with a 77 PBH.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Matt in STL
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone ride VO Quill Stem? pics? / Orange Appaloosa touch-up paint?

[Joe Bernard]

FWIW I think your Appaloosa looks cool with the flat bar and Periscopa. I 
like the minimalist vibe. 

On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 12:13:16 PM UTC-7 brizbarn wrote:

> Thanks for the input Jason.  I really wish Nitto made a tall 90 degree (no 
> rise or drop) stem, aluminum one bolt, and/or a steel four bolt version in 
> 25.4mm clamp.  I currently run a Nitto Periscopa (30 degree rise, 80mm 
> reach).  It works fine with Sim Works Little Nick flat bars, but I prefer 
> the look of a 90 degree stem.  Was thinking of settling for the VO one bolt 
> fillet brazed Quill, but that still has a rise of 17 degree and its 26mm 
> clamp, so i'd need a shim. VO 2 bolt is sold out and is 31.8mm.  Sim Works 
> has a 90 degree called the Lettuce stem made by Nitto that looks pretty 
> good, but it's not tall enough for my liking.  A few pics of my Appaloosa 
> with the Periscopa:
> [image: DSCF7818 1.jpg][image: DSCF7828.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Pair O’ Platys in the Fall Foliage

[Joe Bernard]

Also the fall leaves are beautiful. Michigan looks like an amazing place to 
live and ride. 

On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 8:53:06 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> "It’s such a delight to have a pretty bike to ride. I don’t care if that’s 
> shallow."
>
> I have a pretty bike to ride as well and I'm proudly shallow about it. 
> Don't hate me for being shallow!
>
> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 8:36:29 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I see that my photos are flipped. I’ll try again:
>> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg]
>>
>> [image: image3.jpeg][image: image4.jpeg][image: image5.jpeg][image: 
>> image6.jpeg]
>>
>> On Oct 22, 2022, at 11:33 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I was on the most aimless ride today - one hour of pure gawking and 
>> pedaling. The trees stood like colorful giants on the landscape. I could 
>> not capture their loveliness on camera, but I tried. I started on my 
>> mermaid Platy but eventually switched it out for the raspberry Platy 
>> because it’s an equal opportunity Paddle of Platypuses around here. Those 
>> bikes were so beautiful in today’s scenery. I could have stayed out all day 
>> if not for pressing obligations.
>>
>>
>> It’s such a delight to have a pretty bike to ride. I don’t care if that’s 
>> shallow.
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Re: [RBW] Pair O’ Platys in the Fall Foliage

[Joe Bernard]

"It’s such a delight to have a pretty bike to ride. I don’t care if that’s 
shallow."

I have a pretty bike to ride as well and I'm proudly shallow about it. 
Don't hate me for being shallow!

On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 8:36:29 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I see that my photos are flipped. I’ll try again:
> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg]
>
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>
> On Oct 22, 2022, at 11:33 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I was on the most aimless ride today - one hour of pure gawking and 
> pedaling. The trees stood like colorful giants on the landscape. I could 
> not capture their loveliness on camera, but I tried. I started on my 
> mermaid Platy but eventually switched it out for the raspberry Platy 
> because it’s an equal opportunity Paddle of Platypuses around here. Those 
> bikes were so beautiful in today’s scenery. I could have stayed out all day 
> if not for pressing obligations.
>
>
> It’s such a delight to have a pretty bike to ride. I don’t care if that’s 
> shallow.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie / Gus questions

[Joe Bernard]

I was reading a book a while back and tried to pinch the screen to zoom in. 
It was a real book. Paper. 

On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 8:32:42 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Ha! Thanks. On a similar note, I use an iPad exclusively. My wife had 
> something on her laptop and I kept trying to scroll on the screen. Her 
> laptop does not do that…
>
> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 8:25:13 AM UTC-7 Keith P. wrote:
>
>> I kept double tapping, trying to “like.”
>>
>> k.
>>
>> On Oct 21, 2022, at 7:48 AM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>>
>> [image: BFA5A389-DD77-4A45-B579-DBF2F60C8BC2.jpeg]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Because this thread needs some pictures. 
>> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 9:42:12 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Yes good discussion! Paul, it's neat and surprising to hear from another 
>>> Knolly rider here of all places - I rode a Chilcotin (the older 26" 
>>> version) for a bunch of years!  Sold it about a year ago and replaced it 
>>> with an Esker Japhy steel hardtail as a bike that was more my style, but 
>>> still capable of riding black / double black trails. I absolutely love the 
>>> way a hardtail climbs, and rides in general - I do find I get fatigued 
>>> quicker on it vs. the full suspension bike, but otherwise it's all good 
>>> things - I can still ride everything I ought to be riding, but I'm tasked 
>>> with a little more care in my line choices and when to elect to walk, which 
>>> is healthy. I'm fully committed to the plan of picking up a Stooge mk6 when 
>>> they come out next year to replace the Japhy, and put myself back in the 
>>> realm of fully rigid steel bikes across the board. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, 20 October 2022 at 15:24:26 UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I wonder about this exactly. If something works for someone I am the 
 last to question it. But, in my time off road with the Clem the long stem 
 and backsweep of the Bosco are GOLD! This position and the way it makes 
 the 
 bike feel / handle are pretty much my only reason for considering a Susie. 
 I know it goes against everything that says “mountain bike” but I am 
 looking to get away from straight bars. Just today I swapped out a 12 
 degree backsweep bar for a 35 degree one. Feels better but does not feel 
 as 
 good as the Clem.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 20, 2022, at 6:01 PM, Mike Packard  wrote:

 

 I'm also enjoying this thread. One thing I've wondered about WRT 
 Susie-Gus vs. Clem: Is the reach / effective top tube shorter on Susie/Gus 
 than Clem of similar size? I have a 59 Clem L that is great but even with 
 a 
 very short stem flat-ish bars are too far away. 

 mike

 On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 8:39:49 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Greetings all. First, does anyone recall reading in one of the updates 
> about additional Susie / Gus bikes becoming available?
> Second, who is using their Susie / Gus as their primary mountain bike?
> Third, is anyone able to comments on a direct comparison between a 
> Susie and a Clem L?
> My Clem never ceases to amaze me. It is, without doubt the most 
> comfortable bike I have ever owned. I am so ingrained to my position on 
> the 
> bike that I am now uncomfortable on my dedicated singletrack bike - a 
> full 
> suspension bike with relatively strait handlebars. The Clem is really 
> good 
> off road and on mild singletrack, but its weight and flexibility have 
> kept 
> me from giving it a go on some of the rowdy, rock and root strewn tracks 
> I 
> like to ride on the full squish bike.
> Now, I have no illusions about any rigid bike being as plush and 
> capable on these trails as the suspended bike. But I do have some 
> experience riding a rigid bike with big tires (Jones 29") and I liked it. 
> The notion of a bike that puts me in the exact same position as my Clem 
> but 
> dedicated to singletrack has me more than a little intrigued.
> Appreciate any comments / thoughts.
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Re: [RBW] Who is getting a Platypus?

[Joe Bernard]

Leah, 

I totally agree that having some frames left in stock is MUCH better than 
what we've been looking at the last couple years, I just had this exact 
conversation with another list member yesterday. I think it's great that - 
for the moment at least - people will be able to notice a Platypus frame on 
the internet...and buy it! 

Joe Bernard 

On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 4:29:48 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I think the presale still went really well, even if they did not sell out 
> of frames. Honestly, I’d like to be able to send people to Rivendell and 
> them to actually have bikes available when I do. There have been many times 
> I’ve been asked about my bike but Rivendell doesn’t have any for purchase. 
> I’ve spent lots of time combing through the internet in hopes of finding a 
> used one for a friend or a stranger on the internet. So, this is good.
>
> Side story: My best friend from Vegas (who moved out of state soon after I 
> did) got a used Platypus from the List. She has a carbon bike and is a 
> triathlete, so I wasn’t sure how it would go. But she loves her new bike. 
> LOVES it. Hers is mermaid and she put pink and white accents on it.
>
> Back to business. Did the dealers get allotments of the Platypuses? I 
> haven’t seen anything on Instagram about it. I think Rivendell started with 
> 50 frames per size at the presale. I hope there is an explosion in the 
> Platypus population out on the roads soon. Which may be the case, since Riv 
> isn’t doing the builds and probably not the prep, either. The turnaround 
> time should be a lot faster. 
>
> On Oct 20, 2022, at 10:22 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> I'm speaking in general terms. I'm not buying a frame! 
>
>
>
> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 7:21:33 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Are these frames being sold as unprepped? I'm not clear on where they are 
>> with that now but it would certainly slow down my "buy" finger if I knew I 
>> still had to install the fork, adjust the headset, chase the threads and 
>> check the derailer hanger adjustment. 
>>
>> Joe "I don't know how to do the last two parts" Bernard 
>>
>> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 6:52:23 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> I imagine quite a few have sold but Riv not being able to offer many 
>>> complete builds may be reducing sales. Hopefully they can get caught up on 
>>> the backlog of builds in the queue. And, the Rosco version of the Platypus 
>>> was just released recently so that fulfilled some people's wish for a mixte 
>>> type road bike.
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 7:13:17 PM UTC-4 cycli...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It would seem that demand is mirroring that of the housing market.  
>>>> Decidedly cooler than 12 months ago when Platys and house listing were 
>>>> sold 
>>>> out in mere hours. 
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 2:34:14 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think they will sell pretty quick but not as lightning fast as they 
>>>>> did during the pandemic.
>>>>> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 4:13:58 PM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> There is still one Rosco Plat in 60cm of each color available, so 
>>>>>> maybe supply and demand are balancing out. At least for the taller 
>>>>>> folks. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eric
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, October 10, 2022, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>>>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can never tamp down my excitement over the Riv mixtes and have 
>>>>>>> given up trying. I’m SO excited that there is a paddle of Platypuses on 
>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>> water, heading to Rivendell as I type this. I remember the excitement 
>>>>>>> of 
>>>>>>> the 2020 Platypuses (which were delivered in 2021); they were gone in 
>>>>>>> minutes. Heartbreak and jubilee ensued and then came the waiting. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But the wait is nearly over because the presale is the 19th. I’m 
>>>>>>> keen to know if these will sell out as quickly or if demand and 
>>>>>>> availability will have evened out by now. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who is purchasing a Platypus? 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Leah
>>>>>>>
>

Re: [RBW] Who is getting a Platypus?

[Joe Bernard]

I'm speaking in general terms. I'm not buying a frame! 

On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 7:21:33 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Are these frames being sold as unprepped? I'm not clear on where they are 
> with that now but it would certainly slow down my "buy" finger if I knew I 
> still had to install the fork, adjust the headset, chase the threads and 
> check the derailer hanger adjustment. 
>
> Joe "I don't know how to do the last two parts" Bernard 
>
> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 6:52:23 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> I imagine quite a few have sold but Riv not being able to offer many 
>> complete builds may be reducing sales. Hopefully they can get caught up on 
>> the backlog of builds in the queue. And, the Rosco version of the Platypus 
>> was just released recently so that fulfilled some people's wish for a mixte 
>> type road bike.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 7:13:17 PM UTC-4 cycli...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It would seem that demand is mirroring that of the housing market.  
>>> Decidedly cooler than 12 months ago when Platys and house listing were sold 
>>> out in mere hours. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 2:34:14 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think they will sell pretty quick but not as lightning fast as they 
>>>> did during the pandemic.
>>>> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 4:13:58 PM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> There is still one Rosco Plat in 60cm of each color available, so 
>>>>> maybe supply and demand are balancing out. At least for the taller folks. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Eric
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, October 10, 2022, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I can never tamp down my excitement over the Riv mixtes and have 
>>>>>> given up trying. I’m SO excited that there is a paddle of Platypuses on 
>>>>>> the 
>>>>>> water, heading to Rivendell as I type this. I remember the excitement of 
>>>>>> the 2020 Platypuses (which were delivered in 2021); they were gone in 
>>>>>> minutes. Heartbreak and jubilee ensued and then came the waiting. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But the wait is nearly over because the presale is the 19th. I’m keen 
>>>>>> to know if these will sell out as quickly or if demand and availability 
>>>>>> will have evened out by now. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who is purchasing a Platypus? 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Leah
>>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Who is getting a Platypus?

[Joe Bernard]

Are these frames being sold as unprepped? I'm not clear on where they are 
with that now but it would certainly slow down my "buy" finger if I knew I 
still had to install the fork, adjust the headset, chase the threads and 
check the derailer hanger adjustment. 

Joe "I don't know how to do the last two parts" Bernard 

On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 6:52:23 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:

> I imagine quite a few have sold but Riv not being able to offer many 
> complete builds may be reducing sales. Hopefully they can get caught up on 
> the backlog of builds in the queue. And, the Rosco version of the Platypus 
> was just released recently so that fulfilled some people's wish for a mixte 
> type road bike.
> Doug
>
> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 7:13:17 PM UTC-4 cycli...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> It would seem that demand is mirroring that of the housing market.  
>> Decidedly cooler than 12 months ago when Platys and house listing were sold 
>> out in mere hours. 
>>
>> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 2:34:14 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> I think they will sell pretty quick but not as lightning fast as they 
>>> did during the pandemic.
>>> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 4:13:58 PM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:
>>>
 There is still one Rosco Plat in 60cm of each color available, so maybe 
 supply and demand are balancing out. At least for the taller folks. 

 Eric

 On Monday, October 10, 2022, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
 jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I can never tamp down my excitement over the Riv mixtes and have given 
> up trying. I’m SO excited that there is a paddle of Platypuses on the 
> water, heading to Rivendell as I type this. I remember the excitement of 
> the 2020 Platypuses (which were delivered in 2021); they were gone in 
> minutes. Heartbreak and jubilee ensued and then came the waiting. 
>
> But the wait is nearly over because the presale is the 19th. I’m keen 
> to know if these will sell out as quickly or if demand and availability 
> will have evened out by now. 
>
> Who is purchasing a Platypus? 
>
> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fender size for a Rambouiller

[Joe Bernard]

IF you can get those wider fenders inside those brakes. My memory of 
messing with this on my Romulus is pretty vague now but it wasn't the 
easiest project I've ever embarked on. 

On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 4:28:22 PM UTC-7 Jon Richardson wrote:

> Thanks, Peter!  
>
> Appreciate everyone's help and advice.  Looks like 28 or maybe 30s if they 
> are true to size and 41 to 45mm fenders should work.  Guess the Jack Browns 
> are nice weather gravel for the Ram.
>
>  Original message 
> From: Peter White  
> Date: 10/18/22 3:42 PM (GMT-05:00) 
> To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Fender size for a Rambouiller 
>
> I'm firmly in Joe's camp.
>
> I use Challenge Paris Roubaix tires on my Rambouillet. They are labelled 
> 27mm but measure 29.5mm. My fenders are Berthoud carbon fiber, only 25mm 
> wide, but then this is my good weather bike. I would not recommend anything 
> wider than these tires with any fender on the Rambouillet. 33.3mm would be 
> very dangerous, in my opinion. If this were my bad weather bike, I'd be 
> using the same tires but with the 41mm Stronglight anodized aluminum 
> fenders.
>
> Peter Jon White
>
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2022 at 2:10 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> Jon, 
>>
>> You would probably need wider fenders for 33.3 and I'm not comfortable 
>> recommending it. These frames weren't designed for a fender/tire 
>> combination like that and the minimal  clearance is begging for a 
>> bike-stopping branch to get stuck in there. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 5:17:52 AM UTC-7 Jon Richardson wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Joe!  The description says for 20-28c tires, however I run the 
>>> 33.3 Jack Bs, do I need a wider set of fenders?
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fender size for a Rambouiller

[Joe Bernard]

You could put some Woody's Chop Chorts on it, or the plastic clip-ons Riv 
sells now. They won't save your hide in a downpour but at that point you're 
gonna be soaked anyway! 

https://www.woodysfenders.com/category-s/116.htm

On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 12:42:47 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Jon, 
>
> This screengrab of that brochure mentions 38mm clearance without fenders, 
> nothing about fendering. Can a tight fit be done? Probably and lots of 
> people will tell you it's fine but you won't hear it from me. 
>
> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 11:47:54 AM UTC-7 Jon Richardson wrote:
>
>> Joe,
>>
>> Thanks again for your input.  I thought the sales brochure that came out 
>> with this bike had said 38c without fender and 35c with, one of the reasons 
>> I figured this frame would be ideal.
>>
>> Another person said they have 45mm fenders...I assume you would advise 
>> against that?
>>
>>  Original message 
>> From: Joe Bernard  
>> Date: 10/18/22 2:10 PM (GMT-05:00) 
>> To: RBW Owners Bunch  
>> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Fender size for a Rambouiller 
>>
>> Jon, 
>>
>> You would probably need wider fenders for 33.3 and I'm not comfortable 
>> recommending it. These frames weren't designed for a fender/tire 
>> combination like that and the minimal  clearance is begging for a 
>> bike-stopping branch to get stuck in there. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 5:17:52 AM UTC-7 Jon Richardson wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Joe!  The description says for 20-28c tires, however I run the 
>>> 33.3 Jack Bs, do I need a wider set of fenders?
>>>
>>> Jon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Original message 
>>> From: Joe Bernard  
>>> Date: 10/18/22 12:58 AM (GMT-05:00) 
>>> To: RBW Owners Bunch  
>>> Subject: [RBW] Re: Fender size for a Rambouiller 
>>>
>>> SKS P35 was the standard set for Rambouillet and Romulus, I used them on 
>>> my Rom witt the stock 28mm tires. 
>>>
>>>
>>> https://planetcyclery.com/sks-p35-chromoplastic-longboard-fender-set-silver-700c-x-2028?gclid=CjwKCAjw-rOaBhA9EiwAUkLV4ve8UTn0vhlNClxPFmn7oNl-HzCXsgMuKMkn9Q6JAsYiNouREe2CexoCUoQQAvD_BwE
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 17, 2022 at 3:22:14 PM UTC-7 Jon Richardson wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am looking to add a set of fenders to ride in wet weather, what size 
>>>> fits this frame?  
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the assist! 
>>>> Jon
>>>>
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[RBW] Re: Thinking about getting a 62 Quickbeam

[Joe Bernard]

Not in this size*, and the SimpleOne was canti as well. This appears to be 
a QB with the canti studs knocked off, then the clearcoat done. Also it's a 
64cm. 

*Some small silver QBs had caliper brakes. 

On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 12:14:07 PM UTC-7 Matt Beecher wrote:

> Did the QB ever come without cantis?  I would assume that is a Simpleone.  
>
> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 1:02:56 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello Tom,
>>
>> Not mine, but a nice looking 62 QB frame/fork on the bay now...
>>
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/364015264475?hash=item54c10022db:g:SzwAAOSwD79jEA9r=enc%3AAQAHoHwOqNWKMXHgc3oWyVn7pYPofBnuW5KG%2BoPQYyGHw3W5Fsfi278BWZin%2FGqnOZzDrWipsEVRl3DPDOIhASKUW968jEuKj49QYo3jTAqPBpMecpPHLrK2mmAyrgkZAI1sTF0XB2epZ4zk52Mkr4rj3WPFqdkj9wfeClKfmTrIuEUKfAJ%2F2QGA18n2Idq1vJd9pnww4UQOZqCh0ds1J9j5jn0%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR7CYj8T9YA
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 10:17:13 AM UTC-4 tc wrote:
>>
>>> Hey group,
>>> If anyone is thinking about selling or trading a 62 Quickbeam in good 
>>> condition, I'd like to discus with you - thanks.
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Painting a new fork

[Joe Bernard]

I think you're looking for "if it were me" thoughts from us so here's mine: 

The first Clems didn't come with the fork accents and I think it looks 
fine. I have a powder coater place in town so for a commuter/shopper 
lock-up bike - which is what Clems are for! - I would keep the price low 
and the fork-covering tough and powder coat it. I don't know if he could do 
the accents. 

On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 7:27:13 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> After talking with Will about my tweaked Clem fork, he thought it would 
> like a new fork would be better then trying to fix it. Easy to talk me into 
> because mine has rust issues on top of being crooked (in two directions). 
> The cost wasn’t as bad as I thought either. It will actually be a Hunq fork 
> because that’s what they had. Very slight rake difference is all I guess. 
>
> Anyway, it is a bare fork so now I get to decide how to paint it. My Clem 
> is Grilver and I love the color. I’m thinking of just having it powder 
> coated for maximum durability since it is my daily commuter and gets locked 
> up all over. I’m not sure the accent colors can be done with that though? 
>  Or should I find a painter to do it. Or should I just spray it myself and 
> not worry too much about it? Thoughts? Thanks in advance!
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fender size for a Rambouiller

[Joe Bernard]

Jon, 

You would probably need wider fenders for 33.3 and I'm not comfortable 
recommending it. These frames weren't designed for a fender/tire 
combination like that and the minimal  clearance is begging for a 
bike-stopping branch to get stuck in there. 

On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 5:17:52 AM UTC-7 Jon Richardson wrote:

> Thanks Joe!  The description says for 20-28c tires, however I run the 33.3 
> Jack Bs, do I need a wider set of fenders?
>
> Jon
>
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Joe Bernard  
> Date: 10/18/22 12:58 AM (GMT-05:00) 
> To: RBW Owners Bunch  
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Fender size for a Rambouiller 
>
> SKS P35 was the standard set for Rambouillet and Romulus, I used them on 
> my Rom witt the stock 28mm tires. 
>
>
> https://planetcyclery.com/sks-p35-chromoplastic-longboard-fender-set-silver-700c-x-2028?gclid=CjwKCAjw-rOaBhA9EiwAUkLV4ve8UTn0vhlNClxPFmn7oNl-HzCXsgMuKMkn9Q6JAsYiNouREe2CexoCUoQQAvD_BwE
>
> On Monday, October 17, 2022 at 3:22:14 PM UTC-7 Jon Richardson wrote:
>
>> I am looking to add a set of fenders to ride in wet weather, what size 
>> fits this frame?  
>>
>> Thanks for the assist! 
>> Jon
>>
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[RBW] Re: Fender size for a Rambouiller

[Joe Bernard]

SKS P35 was the standard set for Rambouillet and Romulus, I used them on my 
Rom witt the stock 28mm tires. 

https://planetcyclery.com/sks-p35-chromoplastic-longboard-fender-set-silver-700c-x-2028?gclid=CjwKCAjw-rOaBhA9EiwAUkLV4ve8UTn0vhlNClxPFmn7oNl-HzCXsgMuKMkn9Q6JAsYiNouREe2CexoCUoQQAvD_BwE

On Monday, October 17, 2022 at 3:22:14 PM UTC-7 Jon Richardson wrote:

> I am looking to add a set of fenders to ride in wet weather, what size 
> fits this frame?  
>
> Thanks for the assist! 
> Jon
>

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[RBW] Re: For sale, Suntour Superbe brakes

[Joe Bernard]

That's good to hear, Ray. Somebody got some sweet Suntour swag. 

On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 3:59:17 PM UTC-7 Ray Varella wrote:

> The brakes are sold. 
>
> Thank you 
> Ray
>
> On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 9:08:36 AM UTC-7 Patch T wrote:
>
>> FWIW, these clear Rene Herse Naches Pass 26 x 1.8 (41mm actual) on my 
>> 1992 Bstone XO-1.
>> They're beautiful. Braking is good. No issues with centering.
>>
>> Patch in NYC
>>
>> On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 10:58:52 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> They're light and beautiful vintage Suntour brakes for people who know 
>>> what that is and want them. It's 2022 and there aren't a ton of these in 
>>> this condition around anymore. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 7:48:03 AM UTC-7 Ray Varella wrote:
>>>
>>>> And yes, I know the adjuster nut is not in the right place, it’s there 
>>>> to keep all the parts together. 
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 7:46:36 AM UTC-7 Ray Varella wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> [image: 03D4B414-DF10-4CAE-B9CE-9D6168A94ABA.jpeg]Here’s a pic of the 
>>>>> brakes. 
>>>>> I have a set of these on a bike and they clear the Rene Herse 38s with 
>>>>> the pads at the bottom of the slots. 
>>>>> Not all frames will have the same clearances. 
>>>>> In over 30 years of using this model of brake I have never had any 
>>>>> issues with them staying centered. 
>>>>> They do require more hand strength than modern dual pivots but that 
>>>>> hasn’t been a problem for me yet. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you 
>>>>> Ray
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 3:46:34 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dissing on someone's for sale posting is just not cooland it 
>>>>>> wasn't even for the right brake. doubly shmubly
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 4:10:13 PM UTC-4 pi wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If these are the superbe pro sidepull calipers they are junk. I had 
>>>>>>> a pair and they could never stay centered.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: For sale, Suntour Superbe brakes

[Joe Bernard]

They're light and beautiful vintage Suntour brakes for people who know what 
that is and want them. It's 2022 and there aren't a ton of these in this 
condition around anymore. 

On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 7:48:03 AM UTC-7 Ray Varella wrote:

> And yes, I know the adjuster nut is not in the right place, it’s there to 
> keep all the parts together. 
>
> On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 7:46:36 AM UTC-7 Ray Varella wrote:
>
>> [image: 03D4B414-DF10-4CAE-B9CE-9D6168A94ABA.jpeg]Here’s a pic of the 
>> brakes. 
>> I have a set of these on a bike and they clear the Rene Herse 38s with 
>> the pads at the bottom of the slots. 
>> Not all frames will have the same clearances. 
>> In over 30 years of using this model of brake I have never had any issues 
>> with them staying centered. 
>> They do require more hand strength than modern dual pivots but that 
>> hasn’t been a problem for me yet. 
>>
>> Thank you 
>> Ray
>>
>> On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 3:46:34 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Dissing on someone's for sale posting is just not cooland it wasn't 
>>> even for the right brake. doubly shmubly
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 4:10:13 PM UTC-4 pi wrote:
>>>
 If these are the superbe pro sidepull calipers they are junk. I had a 
 pair and they could never stay centered.
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Clem for sale

[Joe Bernard]

I believe this is about the bronzey green 45cm L for sale elsewhere here. 
That's not the current generation which has a longer ETT and 650B wheels, 
it has 26" wheels and should match the grilver one I had at 57cm effective 
toptube. 

On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 6:25:49 PM UTC-7 Kim Hetzel wrote:

> Hi Richard,
>  
> What specific model of the Clem are your referring to ? The "H" or the "L" 
> model ?
>
> I do not see a picture. Do you know what size the bicycle is ?
>
> I do not specificly know if the geometry is the same between the 2020 
> version to the 2021 version. I do own a green 59 cm 2021 Clem Smith Jr. 
> "L".  I am 5'11". I have a long torso and short limbs. It fits me well.
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA.
> On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 1:17:03 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello. Regarding the Clem, I have two questions. First, being a 2020 
>> model, does this bike share the geometry of the newest Clem’s? Or, is this 
>> the previous version? Second, as pictured what size rider fits this bike? 
>> Thanks, Richard 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Your Rivendell: White Pine Trail, Grand Rapids, MI

[Joe Bernard]

Looks cold! But pretty and fun!! But cold!!! 

On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 6:37:35 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> We had a fantastic ride today, in peak color and with awesome people. More 
> on that later. But for now: 
>
>
> On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 7:46:18 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I hope to see a lot of you and your lovely Rivbikes tomorrow. And if 
>> there would just be one RivSister in the bunch I would be so happy. 
>>
>> But, if not, I’ll represent. 
>>
>> Leah
>>
>> On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 7:00:20 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I sent you a PM…
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Oct 14, 2022, at 6:27 PM, Conway Bennett  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Is there a contact list going into tomorrow?  My number is 239.877.4119 
>>> <(239)%20877-4119>, and I intend to depart Chicagoland ~5 AM tomorrow.  
>>> See y'all tomorrow!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 2:41:10 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 <>>>

 First, a caveat: This ride is not affiliated with Rivendell Bicycle 
 Works; we are a group of Rivendell owners who want to ride our bikes 
 together. Organizers are not liable for bodily injury or damage to your 
 bike. If you are comfortable riding at your own risk, then:

 Join us on the famous White Pine Trail near Grand Rapids, Michigan for 
 a ride through Michigan’s fall foliage. The date is quickly approaching; 
 here are the details so you can make plans to attend.

 When: October 15th, 10 am
 Where: Dwight Lydell Park in Comstock Park
 What: a 32 mile ride, round trip. Ride to Cedar Springs with lunch in 
 Rockford on our way back.

 If you choose to make a weekend of it, there are many National and 
 state campgrounds within an hour of the park. If weather does not 
 cooperate, this ride is rescheduled for Oct 29th. 

 This is our 2nd Rivendell Ride of 2022; the first was in Kalamazoo, MI 
 on the KalHaven Trail. I hope to see familiar faces and new in Grand 
 Rapids 
 on Saturday. 

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[RBW] Re: For sale, Suntour Superbe brakes

[Joe Bernard]

Bro that's a weird place to go on someone's FS posting. 

On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 1:10:13 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> If these are the superbe pro sidepull calipers they are junk. I had a pair 
> and they could never stay centered. Full analysis here: 
> http://pardo.net/bike/pic/fail-023/000.html
>
> Dual pivots of almost any make are superior. Other sidepulls exist that 
> don't have these problems.
>
>
> On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 12:38:11 PM UTC-7 Ray Varella wrote:
>
>> Up for sale is a very clean pair of Suntour Superbe brake calipers. 
>> Front and rear, nutted 47-57mm reach with Mathhauser pads. 
>> $85 plus shipping. 
>> Email rayvarella007 at gmail dot com 
>>
>> Thank you 
>> Ray
>>
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[RBW] Re: Converting a T1000 into an Atlantis

[Joe Bernard]

Mackenzy, 

I have this same soft spot, especially for the old T1000 and 700. This one 
is amazing! 

On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 2:24:46 PM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote:

> Wow! I have a soft spot for old Cannondales. Generally they seem to be 
> "sported out" aesthetically which isn't my thing. I am amazed at how slick 
> and classy it looks built up rivendell-esque. 
>
> On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 8:48:48 AM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I could never keep the paint on any of my bikes that immaculate! My new 
>> Roadini already has a paint chipped off the headtube (dunno how!). My 
>> Co-Motion Periscope Trident @ 12,000 miles has so many patched paint areas 
>> that there's no spot that hasn't been patched up. It's all beausage but I'm 
>> guessing if I break my Ti frame my replacement for it better be Stainless 
>> steel or something else that doesn't need paint! Good thing I live in 
>> California where it doesn't rain (and when it does I ride Ti or just live 
>> with the idea that the triplet will rust sooner or later and it's not a 
>> "forever bike" anyway --- the kids will eventually grow out of it!)
>>
>> On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 7:39:47 AM UTC-7 Will M wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all.  
>>>
>>> S.  If you listen carefully you can hear my 1990s Cannondale 
>>> T1000 whisper, "I wish I were an Atlantis!"  How many parts you can spot 
>>> from the Riv catalog in this recent pic? 
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/millhiser/52412267528
>>>
>>> Answers:
>>>
>>>- Cockpit: Tallux stem, Albastache bars, Dia-Compe long-pull levers*
>>>- Silver2 friction bar-end shifter (right)#
>>>- Downtube friction shifter (left)#
>>>- Jack Brown tires
>>>- SKS 45mm fenders
>>>- Brooks Flyer Special saddle
>>>- Sugino XD2 24/36/46 triple crank (and IRD bottom bracket)
>>>- Nitto 2-strut top rack + Wald 139 basket**
>>>- Nitto Big Back Rack ("large"; 40-pound capacity!)
>>>- Busch & Müller Secula battery light 
>>>- King water bottle cages
>>>
>>> Only 5 original parts remain: generic linear-pull brakes, 105 headset, 
>>> XT & 105 derailleurs, RSX hubs,## and the CAAD2 Touring frameset.  Got 
>>> Motolites and a rapid rise in my sights, when the time comes.   And any old 
>>> 61cm Atlantis if the aluminum frame cracks. 
>>>
>>> Backstory: In the 1990s with time for extended self-supported tours, but 
>>> no dough for the dream bike (Atlantis), I scraped up enough for this 
>>> US-made Cannondale T1000.  Parts that wore out over the subsequent quarter 
>>> century were always replaced from the Riv catalog, slowly turning the T1000 
>>> into an Atlantis.  
>>>
>>> I know this transformation is not unique, but wanted to share. 
>>>
>>> Cheers, 
>>> Will M 
>>> NYC
>>>
>>> * Many have written about Albastache bars working/not working for them 
>>> , but after 
>>> decades on drop bars, the Albastache for me is a revelation.  A rebirth.  A 
>>> dramatic improvement.  Thanks to Paul G on this list for shifter cable 
>>> routing advice. 
>>>
>>> # It was originally spec'ed with 105 STI 9-speed brifters.  Both 
>>> brifters failed catastrophically after only 10 years.
>>>
>>> ** Back in the aughts, Grant's writing in the* Reader* inspired 
>>> ditching the low-riders for the two-strut rack and 139 basket. 
>>>  Self-supported touring with 20-30 pounds in low-rider-mounted panniers is 
>>> amazing, stable, motorcycle-like.  Putting 18 lbs (the max weight) up in 
>>> the basket is... well... I'll go back to low-riders for the next adventure 
>>> tour.  
>>>
>>> ## The original Mavic T221 touring rims self-destructed 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> with cracking between eyelets. Only hubs live on. 
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto Basket Rack: is it too heavy?

[Joe Bernard]

Someday a bike shop is going to put one of your bikes back together 
properly. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but that day will come.  

On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 7:23:02 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I got my bike done today at the shop and it has made a huge difference in 
> ease of lifting it onto the rack. I didn’t get far with setting it up again 
> because when I got home I realized the rear dyno light isn’t working now. 
> She shop had to mess with the dyno wiring and something is likely off, but 
> I can’t see what. Also, they wadded up the wire and zip tied it to the top 
> tube, near that pretty head tube lug and it’s hideous. I will beg them (and 
> pay them again) to wire that bike more classily. My other bike is a perfect 
> example, so maybe I bring that in as a guide. 
>
> But, once I get these details handled, I do think I’m going to love the 
> improvements. Photos to come!
>
> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 4:29:17 PM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> That's because your romanceur is a low trail bike with 36mm of trail as 
>> opposed to the 55-60mm on typical Rivendell bikes.  Conversely, that's why 
>> the Romanceur won't ride well without a front load!  That makes bikes like 
>> that a specialized item as opposed as a bike meant for general riding that 
>> can be used for both carrying a load and riding without one.
>>
>> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 1:01:15 PM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>>
>>> I ran a porteur rack and large basket on my romanceur and never noticed 
>>> the weight. I'd be surprised when I took it off how much the rack+basket 
>>> weighed. Riding I found it to be no issue. I could load it up and it was 
>>> never an issue. I actually found it a bit too wispy unloaded - but I rarely 
>>> go on a ride with *nothing* with me. 
>>>
>>> Once I purchased a new style clem smith jr the wheel flop even with just 
>>> a rack and basket drove me nuts. Loaded up with lots of tools or groceries 
>>> it rides OK. but it didn't have the same effortless *pushing a wheelbarrow* 
>>> feel my romanceur had. I feel it lacks the nimble aspect that works well 
>>> bike camping riding gear on slower trails. 
>>>
>>> I recently acquired a first generation Clementine - I find it's 
>>> somewhere in between the Romanceur and Clem Smith. I read somewhere 
>>> Clementines were a Hunqapillar front end with a swooped TT and longer rear 
>>> Tri. It rides best unloaded. But doesn't have the same flop as JR making it 
>>> tolerable lugging larger loads of tools or groceries. It's fine for now. I 
>>> think once I get bike camping with it i'll have to be more creative 
>>> dispersing weight rather than jamming it all in my front basket or large 
>>> front porteur bag. 
>>>
>>> Trail definitely seems to be the biggest factor IMO. I'd love a custom 
>>> low trail hunqapillar(ish) bike one day. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 12:00:27 PM UTC-7 freem...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello, and thank you for posting this. 
>>>>
>>>> I was just about to order one to put on my, 'new to me' early aughts 
>>>> quickbeam. I was curious on it's weight and how it would feel.
>>>>
>>>> For years ( about a decade !) I had a Schwinn voyageur with the surly 
>>>> front rack combo - ready to tour, ready to ferry an obscene amount of 
>>>> groceries home. It was heavy and worth it; I'm also ready to move to 
>>>> something lighter with my new quickbeam. Maybe a Nitto M1 or another 
>>>> minimal cantilever attached front rack will be nice. Won't be able to haul 
>>>> as much, but that's okay too!
>>>>
>>>> Side tangent, but related: does anyone have a recommendation for a 
>>>> canti front rack? I was looking at the one on VO - seems decent, but would 
>>>> love to hear other people's opinions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2022, 3:05 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As a non-front-rack guy (so why are you even posting, Joe??) I have no 
>>>>> thoughts on that particular rack, but I DO have thoughts on total bike 
>>>>> weight. When I had my custom designed, then added parts, I leaned towards 
>>>>> as much lightness as I could safely get away with for the use. Lighter = 
>>>>> easier/faster was a consideration, but the main goal wasn't for riding 
>>>>> but 
>>>>> moving the thing around. If it's a st

Re: [RBW] Your cyclist vs. motorist war/horror stories

[Joe Bernard]

Addendum to that comment cuz I mixed the message: I couldn't pull over in 
that second, which was quite terrifying for me. I *did *pull over as soon 
as I could and turned around. That town was 15 more miles ahead and there 
was no way. 

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 11:15:18 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> First, I'm sorry about your friend. 
>
> Sunset is extremely hazardous. I was driving on an unfamiliar 2-lane 
> highway a couple months ago headed straight into the sun and had a few 
> moments where I literally couldn't see ANYTHING..I couldn't have pulled 
> over because I didn't know where "pulling over" was, I just held on tight 
> and slowed down til I could find the road. I didn't get to where I was 
> headed, I turned around and went home. 
>
> If you're on a bike and are being blinded even with shades on, get the 
> hell out of that situation. The car drivers have no idea you're there. 
>
> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 11:04:23 PM UTC-7 Robert Tilley wrote:
>
>> I gotta admit that it was an impressive shot!
>>
>> Sunrise/sunset are definitely dangerous times to be on the road. I used 
>> to ride with a very experienced cyclist here and he used to organize Bike 
>> Friday rides since he owned a few. He always wanted to do the Pacific Coast 
>> tour and finally got a chance once he retired. He was hit and killed by a 
>> driver in Oregon while on that tour.  The driver claimed that the sun was 
>> in his eyes and he basically didn’t see the bicyclist. Common sense would 
>> be to pull over if you can’t see but that never happens.
>>
>> Robert Tilley
>> San Diego, CA 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 10, 2022, at 5:05 AM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>
>> Robert,
>>
>> This is a serious topic but the loogie story made my chuckle. I have to 
>> say that was a good shot by the kid!! Loogie launching must be practiced so 
>> that wasn't his first shot.
>>
>> I've had a few close calls but thankfully no hits as of yet. One thing I 
>> try to avoid is riding directly into a sunset as it blinds me and drivers 
>> as well. A local lady was killed a few years ago (RIP Karen Tinsely) and a 
>> contributing factor was the sun in the driver's eyes. In that case I don't 
>> think there was any bad intention although still inexcusable. If I'm on a 
>> road heading towards a sunset I try to find an alternate route. Be safe 
>> fellow cyclists!
>> Doug
>> Athens, Ga
>>
>> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:18:24 PM UTC-4 Robert Tilley wrote:
>>
>>> I’ve been riding “seriously” since I was 18 and I’m turning 56 this 
>>> month. It’s surprising how few issues I can come up with when thinking 
>>> back.  99% of the people here do a pretty good job sharing the road with 
>>> cyclists and we have a decent bike infrastructure. People are used to bikes 
>>> on the road. Typically people are too accommodating and want to give me the 
>>> right of way when it isn’t mine. 
>>>
>>> I got hit once. I was descending a decently steep road and there was a 
>>> driveway with a car coming out of a Burger King parking lot. I watched the 
>>> driver look left up the hill, then right, then left again and as soon as I 
>>> neared the driveway he pulled out. So I hit the front fender doing about 30 
>>> mph and flew over the hood. I was surprisingly in ok shape. Nothing broken 
>>> but I had some bruising, some road rash and twisted ankles due to my Time 
>>> pedals not releasing. 
>>>
>>> I was climbing one of the steeper roads here and some kids drove by and 
>>> one hocked a loogie at me. It hit me square in the back and I wasn’t 
>>> wearing a shirt at the time. They are likely still high-fiving each other 
>>> over that one.
>>>
>>> I was commuting to work on what is basically a highway. It is the old 
>>> I15 that runs next to Miramar air base. There is an exit onto a highway 
>>> from that road and I almost got nailed by a driver that tried to sneak over 
>>> at the last minute. I caught him in my rear view mirror after I heard tires 
>>> skidding. My instinct would have been to move to the side but I saw him 
>>> moving that way so I swerved to the traffic side and avoided being hit.
>>>
>>> Another rear view mirror save. I caught a motor home approaching and saw 
>>> in my mirror that his steps were still down and coming right at me. I moved 
>>> over and avoided getting clipped by them and pointed out to the driver they 
>>> were not retracted.
>>>
>>> I can’t recall any deli

Re: [RBW] Your cyclist vs. motorist war/horror stories

[Joe Bernard]

First, I'm sorry about your friend. 

Sunset is extremely hazardous. I was driving on an unfamiliar 2-lane 
highway a couple months ago headed straight into the sun and had a few 
moments where I literally couldn't see ANYTHING..I couldn't have pulled 
over because I didn't know where "pulling over" was, I just held on tight 
and slowed down til I could find the road. I didn't get to where I was 
headed, I turned around and went home. 

If you're on a bike and are being blinded even with shades on, get the hell 
out of that situation. The car drivers have no idea you're there. 

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 11:04:23 PM UTC-7 Robert Tilley wrote:

> I gotta admit that it was an impressive shot!
>
> Sunrise/sunset are definitely dangerous times to be on the road. I used to 
> ride with a very experienced cyclist here and he used to organize Bike 
> Friday rides since he owned a few. He always wanted to do the Pacific Coast 
> tour and finally got a chance once he retired. He was hit and killed by a 
> driver in Oregon while on that tour.  The driver claimed that the sun was 
> in his eyes and he basically didn’t see the bicyclist. Common sense would 
> be to pull over if you can’t see but that never happens.
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 10, 2022, at 5:05 AM, Doug H.  wrote:
>
> Robert,
>
> This is a serious topic but the loogie story made my chuckle. I have to 
> say that was a good shot by the kid!! Loogie launching must be practiced so 
> that wasn't his first shot.
>
> I've had a few close calls but thankfully no hits as of yet. One thing I 
> try to avoid is riding directly into a sunset as it blinds me and drivers 
> as well. A local lady was killed a few years ago (RIP Karen Tinsely) and a 
> contributing factor was the sun in the driver's eyes. In that case I don't 
> think there was any bad intention although still inexcusable. If I'm on a 
> road heading towards a sunset I try to find an alternate route. Be safe 
> fellow cyclists!
> Doug
> Athens, Ga
>
> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:18:24 PM UTC-4 Robert Tilley wrote:
>
>> I’ve been riding “seriously” since I was 18 and I’m turning 56 this 
>> month. It’s surprising how few issues I can come up with when thinking 
>> back.  99% of the people here do a pretty good job sharing the road with 
>> cyclists and we have a decent bike infrastructure. People are used to bikes 
>> on the road. Typically people are too accommodating and want to give me the 
>> right of way when it isn’t mine. 
>>
>> I got hit once. I was descending a decently steep road and there was a 
>> driveway with a car coming out of a Burger King parking lot. I watched the 
>> driver look left up the hill, then right, then left again and as soon as I 
>> neared the driveway he pulled out. So I hit the front fender doing about 30 
>> mph and flew over the hood. I was surprisingly in ok shape. Nothing broken 
>> but I had some bruising, some road rash and twisted ankles due to my Time 
>> pedals not releasing. 
>>
>> I was climbing one of the steeper roads here and some kids drove by and 
>> one hocked a loogie at me. It hit me square in the back and I wasn’t 
>> wearing a shirt at the time. They are likely still high-fiving each other 
>> over that one.
>>
>> I was commuting to work on what is basically a highway. It is the old I15 
>> that runs next to Miramar air base. There is an exit onto a highway from 
>> that road and I almost got nailed by a driver that tried to sneak over at 
>> the last minute. I caught him in my rear view mirror after I heard tires 
>> skidding. My instinct would have been to move to the side but I saw him 
>> moving that way so I swerved to the traffic side and avoided being hit.
>>
>> Another rear view mirror save. I caught a motor home approaching and saw 
>> in my mirror that his steps were still down and coming right at me. I moved 
>> over and avoided getting clipped by them and pointed out to the driver they 
>> were not retracted.
>>
>> I can’t recall any deliberately aggressive assaults. I do have a lot of 
>> stupid moves done around me but I know what to look for and am always able 
>> to predict what drivers will do. I confront a lot of people but it’s almost 
>> never worthwhile. Cell phone usage/distracted driving is becoming more of 
>> an issue and that is something I watch out for. Almost nobody stops for 
>> stop signs anymore either and red light are not always obeyed these days.
>>
>> Robert Tilley
>> San Diego, CA
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 9, 2022, at 9:41 AM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>> *First of all I'd like to note that starting this thread might not be a 
>> great idea. But perhaps it would be a way for us to share some experiences, 
>> vent or commiserate. *
>>
>>
>> Well, I think a lot of us have been there. We've had a weird, scary, 
>> too-close-for-comfort interaction with a motorist. It could be due to 
>> driver inattention or downright overt aggression. It could have 

Re: [RBW] Your cyclist vs. motorist war/horror stories

[Joe Bernard]

"So 99 percent of the time sharing the streets with motorists is fine. It’s 
the 1 percent that is worrying. My anecdotal sense that aggressive and 
distracted driving has increased is supported by data that shows that motor 
vehicles accidents that cause injuries and fatalities have been increasing 
since spring 2020, despite fewer overall miles driven, reversing years of 
decline. There’s a lot of speculation as to why the trend has shifted."

Yeah it's a problem. There's a really nasty polarization infecting this 
country right now and cyclists are viewed as being on a certain side of it. 
I know why I'm seeing more aggression out there and it's not fun. 

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 10:11:51 AM UTC-7 J J wrote:

> Thanks for starting this thread, Eric. 
>
> As far as biking vs. motorists go, I’ve weirdly come to feel nostalgic 
> about the first few months of pandemic lockdowns, which showed how pleasant 
> urban biking life could be with cities devoid of motor traffic. It was calm 
> and easy; bikers and pedestrians basically owned the streets. It’s 
> horrible that it took an extraordinary global pandemic to show us how 
> cities can be if they are not dominated by car traffic, but I’m afraid we 
> haven’t absorbed the lessons.  
>
> As life has inched back to “normalcy”, riding on DC streets feels more 
> treacherous than ever. Traffic and aggressive drivers have returned with a 
> vengeance. Just yesterday I was talking to folks in my little riding group 
> about how the 10 mins of negotiating unruly street traffic to reach any 
> number of great trails in DC is the most exhausting part of an all-day 
> ride. 
>
> I try to communicate with drivers as much as possible, making eye contact, 
> signaling, pointing, gesticulating, thanking them verbally and with a nod 
> and a wave. Most want to be good road citizens. 
>
> But there are plenty of bad apples who are either just obnoxious, 
> distracted, in too much of a hurry, oblivious, or intoxicated. It’s common 
> around these parts to smell weed wafting out of cars.
>
> A couple of weeks ago I was riding solo toward Rock Creek Park, going down 
> a big hill on a road with a bike lane that ends abruptly. I claimed the 
> middle of the road lane, and I saw a car in the mirror approaching way too 
> fast. The driver hit the horn, startled the bejesus out of me, and a 
> passenger stuck her head out of the window shouting, “Get out of our way!! 
> Move your ass to the sidewalk!” 
>
> At the next block we stopped at a red light and the car pulled beside me. 
> The passengers were mouthing off at me. I said matter of factly, “FYI DC 
> law allows bikes to use full lanes. And in this part of DC it is illegal 
> for adults to ride on sidewalks.” Perhaps it was stupid of me to even 
> engage.
>
> The woman said, “Of course you can ride the sidewalk, you are not in a 
> motor vehicle!! You’re blocking traffic, mother fxxker!”
>
> The light turned green, I said “Whatever”, pedaled on my way, and veered 
> off the main road. The car turned around and followed me, drove within two 
> feet of my side, and another passenger made like he was going to punch me 
> while shouting obscenities at me. The charming woman in the back seat spit 
> at me. At this point adrenaline took over and I turned again onto a side 
> street and made it up a steep incline faster than I ever would have thought 
> possible. I had to get away. It felt like lunacy. 
>
> Not long before that I was riding on a painted bike lane (physical 
> barriers are not common in DC) and a woman drove into my lane, clipping me. 
> My left brake lever scraped the length of her car. Somehow I maintained 
> control of the bike with my right hand and pounded on the car with my left 
> as I shouted at her. It happened so quickly, I was only reacting, not 
> thinking. I managed to stop without crashing, I felt my heart pounding out 
> of my chest, then the driver stopped her car, got out, and began yelling at 
> me to watch where I’m going. She threatened to call the police because her 
> car got scratched. It was absurd. I’m grateful that neither I nor my riding 
> companion was hurt. 
>
> So 99 percent of the time sharing the streets with motorists is fine. It’s 
> the 1 percent that is worrying. My anecdotal sense that aggressive and 
> distracted driving has increased is supported by data that shows that motor 
> vehicles accidents that cause injuries and fatalities have been increasing 
> since spring 2020, despite fewer overall miles driven, reversing years of 
> decline. There’s a lot of speculation as to why the trend has shifted.  
>
> I’m trying to be even more defensive and communicative as I ride. Some 
> things are out of our control though. 
>
> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 10:04:59 AM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:
>
>> I think the current worst I have had is when a car or truck buzzes too 
>> close for comfort.  I am not always looking in my rear glasses mounted 
>> mirror.  Instinct sometimes move 

Re: [RBW] Re: Your cyclist vs. motorist war/horror stories

[Joe Bernard]

Yep. I use a mirror and always have a "bail off to the right" plan. Which 
won't be helpful if I'm on the bridge over the channel and the bail-off is 
way down there in shallow water! 

On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 3:32:41 PM UTC-7 aeroperf wrote:

> My bike trail was closed for two weeks in April, 2020, so I rode 2 miles 
> on the 45mph road to get to the next county where it was still open.
> I stayed well to the right of the shoulder white line, but one day a 
> passing driver came close enough to clip my rear-view mirror.  Handlebars 
> went hard right, and I went over them - fortunately landing on a grassy 
> berm.
> I was uninjured (ok, one small new scar), and my Sam was fine, but the 
> driver didn’t stop or even, as far as I could tell, look in his rear view 
> mirror.
> But by the amount of red paint embedded in my mirror mount, he’s probably 
> still wondering who “keyed” his car.
>
> The point - in addition to looking out for drivers who don’t think 
> bicyclists should be sharing the road, you also have to look out for the 
> oblivious drivers who don’t seem to be able to keep it between the lines.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Your cyclist vs. motorist war/horror stories

[Joe Bernard]

I moved this year and there's a 55mph 4-lane highway I use a lot, I don't 
love the speeds as the cars fly by but the emergency lane is wide and I 
don't worry about it too much. What PISSES ME OFF are the honkers who do it 
just to startle me cuz I guess it's hilarious.  Not a fan. 

On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 2:51:24 PM UTC-7 Ian A wrote:

> I had an incident last year thar still affects me. I was rolling along in 
> the shoulder, enjoying the day en route the donut shop turnaround point (30 
> miles out, 30 back) when a pick up driver tried sideswiping me. He had to 
> aim for me, this was intentional. My reactions meant I swerved clear, 
> almost hard enough to take myself off. Luckily my tires held.
>
> I had no interaction with driver prior to this. It was a driver who just 
> wanted to punish a cyclist. 
>
> I still feel stress following this incident and no longer ride that route 
> at all. It's just not fun anymore.
>
> I do live in oil country and among really good people, there are some very 
> entitled and angry people who will bully and intimidate. 
>
> Dealing with this stuff is difficult, but I would say this forum.is 
> probably not the place for it.
>
> IanA Alberta Canada
>
> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 2:40:27 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I got "the honk" a couple weeks ago. I was on a residential street that 
>> narrows down from 35mph posted limit to 25 as it comes around a tight curve 
>> and shoots downhill. At the crest I took the lane with the knowledge that 
>> shortly I would be rolling at near 25 and a big black lifted pickup came 
>> off a side street at the same time. HONK! It was stupid and I briefly 
>> considered getting aggressive with cowboy, but I just as quickly deduced 
>> that getting run over or shot was probably not a good plan. I moved over 
>> and let Jethro through. My advice is always move over and let Jethro 
>> through, you're not going to win that incredibly stupid battle. 
>>
>> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 9:41:46 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> *First of all I'd like to note that starting this thread might not be a 
>>> great idea. But perhaps it would be a way for us to share some experiences, 
>>> vent or commiserate. *
>>>
>>> Well, I think a lot of us have been there. We've had a weird, scary, 
>>> too-close-for-comfort interaction with a motorist. It could be due to 
>>> driver inattention or downright overt aggression. It could have been your 
>>> fault or no fault of your own. Do you have a riding story involving a 
>>> motorist you'd like to share? 
>>>
>>> I live in Fredericksburg, VA, a small city built on a grid. We have an 
>>> historic district here, many streets are narrow with one-way traffic. There 
>>> are a few two-lane arteries designed to move cars. Posted speeds are 25 mph 
>>> (I always drive slower and leave my truck in 2nd gear). People drive like 
>>> maniacs on certain residential streets, sometimes reaching 50mph. I often 
>>> wish for more traffic calming infrastructure, crosswalks, speed tables and 
>>> the like. 
>>>
>>> In March 2021 I was riding my bike to the bike shop, about a 1.5 mile 
>>> trip. I was heading down a one-way street through a residential 
>>> neighborhood with street parking on the right and long, grassy, landscaped 
>>> park on the left. I was riding to the right side of the street. This 
>>> section of road has one lane and it is unusually wide. There is room for 
>>> someone to comfortably pass a cyclist. 
>>>
>>> Someone honked their horn at me but not in the "Hi, heads up, I'm about 
>>> to pass you please and thanks" sort of way but the "Get the fork off the 
>>> road!" kind of way. It was startling. I responded by taking the lane, which 
>>> is legal for cyclists in Virginia. I rode dead center in the middle of the 
>>> lane. I hoisted a one-finger salute and carried on riding. I rode in the 
>>> middle of the lane for approximately 100 feet before making a turn. 
>>>
>>> Yes, this was an escalation. And it was a bad decision. I don't think 
>>> I'm alone in feeling frustrated by displays of impatience and aggression 
>>> from drivers and feel that I have certain rights as a human person to ride 
>>> safely. It is sometimes difficult not to react in the moment. Motorists 
>>> might be not only impatient but totally deranged. Road rage is real. And 
>>> drivers are behind the wheel of a vehicle that is easily weaponized. With 
>>> just a feather of the gas pedal or

[RBW] Re: Your cyclist vs. motorist war/horror stories

[Joe Bernard]

I got "the honk" a couple weeks ago. I was on a residential street that 
narrows down from 35mph posted limit to 25 as it comes around a tight curve 
and shoots downhill. At the crest I took the lane with the knowledge that 
shortly I would be rolling at near 25 and a big black lifted pickup came 
off a side street at the same time. HONK! It was stupid and I briefly 
considered getting aggressive with cowboy, but I just as quickly deduced 
that getting run over or shot was probably not a good plan. I moved over 
and let Jethro through. My advice is always move over and let Jethro 
through, you're not going to win that incredibly stupid battle. 

On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 9:41:46 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> *First of all I'd like to note that starting this thread might not be a 
> great idea. But perhaps it would be a way for us to share some experiences, 
> vent or commiserate. *
>
> Well, I think a lot of us have been there. We've had a weird, scary, 
> too-close-for-comfort interaction with a motorist. It could be due to 
> driver inattention or downright overt aggression. It could have been your 
> fault or no fault of your own. Do you have a riding story involving a 
> motorist you'd like to share? 
>
> I live in Fredericksburg, VA, a small city built on a grid. We have an 
> historic district here, many streets are narrow with one-way traffic. There 
> are a few two-lane arteries designed to move cars. Posted speeds are 25 mph 
> (I always drive slower and leave my truck in 2nd gear). People drive like 
> maniacs on certain residential streets, sometimes reaching 50mph. I often 
> wish for more traffic calming infrastructure, crosswalks, speed tables and 
> the like. 
>
> In March 2021 I was riding my bike to the bike shop, about a 1.5 mile 
> trip. I was heading down a one-way street through a residential 
> neighborhood with street parking on the right and long, grassy, landscaped 
> park on the left. I was riding to the right side of the street. This 
> section of road has one lane and it is unusually wide. There is room for 
> someone to comfortably pass a cyclist. 
>
> Someone honked their horn at me but not in the "Hi, heads up, I'm about to 
> pass you please and thanks" sort of way but the "Get the fork off the 
> road!" kind of way. It was startling. I responded by taking the lane, which 
> is legal for cyclists in Virginia. I rode dead center in the middle of the 
> lane. I hoisted a one-finger salute and carried on riding. I rode in the 
> middle of the lane for approximately 100 feet before making a turn. 
>
> Yes, this was an escalation. And it was a bad decision. I don't think I'm 
> alone in feeling frustrated by displays of impatience and aggression from 
> drivers and feel that I have certain rights as a human person to ride 
> safely. It is sometimes difficult not to react in the moment. Motorists 
> might be not only impatient but totally deranged. Road rage is real. And 
> drivers are behind the wheel of a vehicle that is easily weaponized. With 
> just a feather of the gas pedal or a slight turn of the wheel they can 
> inflict irrevocable damage to a cyclist. 
>
> The driver responded to my salute by getting within a few feet of my back 
> wheel. When I  made a turn to carry on to the bike shop, they followed. I 
> could hear them revving their engine behind me and feathering the gas to 
> get close to my back wheel but not quite hit me. I continued to ride in the 
> middle of the road. 
>
> I heard something hit the street next to me. It was an unopened aluminum 
> can of a carbonated beverage (I didn't go back to check out whether it was 
> soda, beer or seltzer). Acknowledging the projectile I decided I had to 
> bail and get up on the sidewalk or somehow turn around to where the car 
> could not get to me. 
>
> As soon as I moved to the side to take a driveway apron up onto the 
> sidewalk the car passed me, then got right in front of me and slammed on 
> their brakes. I braked hard and managed not to do an endo onto their trunk 
> or hit their vehicle. The straddle cable hanger came loose from the front 
> brake cable. The driver sped off. I did not get their plates. 
>
> A few days later I went around the neighborhood and knocked on every door 
> with a doorbell camera that was along the path of my interaction with the 
> driver. Everyone I asked checked their footage but only one came back with 
> anything showing me or the driver. There was a clip of the driver revving 
> their engine behind me and throwing the can. You can see the can fly 
> through the air and hear it land in the street. I got a good profile shot 
> of the car (2005 Acura TL, maroon with custom window trim), but no view of 
> the tags. 
>
> This is, by far, the worst interaction I've had with a motorist. I've only 
> been riding for a few years. There are others that aren't nearly as bad but 
> still register as scary and unnecessary. They most often occur when a 
> vehicle is passing. I 

Re: [RBW] Nitto Basket Rack: is it too heavy?

[Joe Bernard]

Dangit, I knew I'd forget something. The basket will be fine on the back, 
that rack is strong. 

On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 1:09:14 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> All of what Jason said, and I'll add what I think I remember about Nitto's 
> concern for Mark's Rack: I believe they worry about the adjustable struts 
> and that most folks connect them at the mid-fork braze-ons; that's not a 
> very strong load-bearing situation and things can get bad fast if the rack 
> decides to slide down the struts. The Basket Rack has a lot more "putting 
> too much stuff on it" security built in. 
>
> Some of the floppiness of front loads show on Rivs is due to the high 
> trail design. When you see rando bikes with a big boxy bag on the front 
> those are usually low trail frames which actually handle better with a 
> front load. I don't know why the math works this way but I had a Crust low 
> trail bike and it felt twitchy and weird without a front load, I did NOT 
> like it. High trail Rivs with loads on the rear, this is the way for me 
> ‍♂️
>
> Caveat: High vs. low trail will bring out the arguments with the 
> quickness. This is one man's opinion! 
>
> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 12:57:19 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Oh yes, it will be great to see that brake and head badge again!  
>> Hopefully the marks on the front bag aren't too noticeable since it'll be 
>> "the back side" from most viewing angles. 
>>
>> Regarding using racks like the M-18 and M1-B with a basket: they do have 
>> a pretty low load rating (4.4lbs?), though I am certain there's a large 
>> safety margin vs. other rack brands. I add the irish strap connection from 
>> the "tombstone" to the handlebar as a safeguard against failure. Also, if 
>> you run a metal front fender, that will break the rack's "fall" if it fails 
>> too. These two factors combined leave me unconcerned with running the small 
>> racks with up to maybe 15lbs load.  More than that and the steering is 
>> slowed down a lot anyway. This is a personal risk assessment, not a 
>> recommendation! 
>>
>> Regarding pannier racks, there's no black and white, right or wrong, but 
>> I find that especially with the long rear ends of modern Rivs, you barely 
>> notice the weight on the rear rack compared to the front. They both do the 
>> job, and I've carried heavy front loads on mine, but even with 40lbs on the 
>> rear rack I find Rivs to ride quite normal, but put 40 lbs on the front and 
>> it's a true upper body workout to steer, and if you had to suddenly swerve 
>> around a car door or something, the slowed steering may become a danger
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, 9 October 2022 at 12:35:59 UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, we are going to try it, so I’m glad you guys think it looks ok. 
>>> Jason, that poor bag has black marks from the basket rubbing on it. I hope 
>>> it isn’t too noticeable, what a shame. I think it will be nice to see that 
>>> headbadge and my mismatched colored brakes again, too: 
>>>
>>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: image1.jpeg]
>>>
>>> Regarding smaller racks for the front: Didn’t Rivendell tell us Nitto no 
>>> longer wanted us using racks for baskets? Weren’t we supposed to only use 
>>> the Basket Rack for baskets? This is one hesitation I have with moving my 
>>> basket to the rear, but maybe I’m misunderstanding? 
>>>
>>> Also, what makes a Rivendell better with a rear pannier rack, Jason? I 
>>> have heard this more than once and am curious. I carried heavy front loads 
>>> on my Betty for years and never noticed a problem…but then I also never 
>>> noticed things like worn out chains and bald tires, so…. 
>>>
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Oct 9, 2022, at 3:24 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> "I think the rear basket looks quite good actually, to my surprise to 
>>> be honest!"
>>>
>>> Jason, I was surprised, too. I think it's the long stays, there's so 
>>> much room back there behind the saddle and it fills the space like it 
>>> belongs there. I like it! 
>>> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 10:49:33 AM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think the rear basket looks quite good actually, to my surprise to be 
>>>> honest!  And up front, it'll allow that Fab's bag to hang without 
>>>> impediment and you can mount the headlight off the fork crown, which are 
>>

Re: [RBW] Nitto Basket Rack: is it too heavy?

[Joe Bernard]

All of what Jason said, and I'll add what I think I remember about Nitto's 
concern for Mark's Rack: I believe they worry about the adjustable struts 
and that most folks connect them at the mid-fork braze-ons; that's not a 
very strong load-bearing situation and things can get bad fast if the rack 
decides to slide down the struts. The Basket Rack has a lot more "putting 
too much stuff on it" security built in. 

Some of the floppiness of front loads show on Rivs is due to the high trail 
design. When you see rando bikes with a big boxy bag on the front those are 
usually low trail frames which actually handle better with a front load. I 
don't know why the math works this way but I had a Crust low trail bike and 
it felt twitchy and weird without a front load, I did NOT like it. High 
trail Rivs with loads on the rear, this is the way for me ‍♂️

Caveat: High vs. low trail will bring out the arguments with the quickness. 
This is one man's opinion! 

On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 12:57:19 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Oh yes, it will be great to see that brake and head badge again!  
> Hopefully the marks on the front bag aren't too noticeable since it'll be 
> "the back side" from most viewing angles. 
>
> Regarding using racks like the M-18 and M1-B with a basket: they do have a 
> pretty low load rating (4.4lbs?), though I am certain there's a large 
> safety margin vs. other rack brands. I add the irish strap connection from 
> the "tombstone" to the handlebar as a safeguard against failure. Also, if 
> you run a metal front fender, that will break the rack's "fall" if it fails 
> too. These two factors combined leave me unconcerned with running the small 
> racks with up to maybe 15lbs load.  More than that and the steering is 
> slowed down a lot anyway. This is a personal risk assessment, not a 
> recommendation! 
>
> Regarding pannier racks, there's no black and white, right or wrong, but I 
> find that especially with the long rear ends of modern Rivs, you barely 
> notice the weight on the rear rack compared to the front. They both do the 
> job, and I've carried heavy front loads on mine, but even with 40lbs on the 
> rear rack I find Rivs to ride quite normal, but put 40 lbs on the front and 
> it's a true upper body workout to steer, and if you had to suddenly swerve 
> around a car door or something, the slowed steering may become a danger
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, 9 October 2022 at 12:35:59 UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
>> Well, we are going to try it, so I’m glad you guys think it looks ok. 
>> Jason, that poor bag has black marks from the basket rubbing on it. I hope 
>> it isn’t too noticeable, what a shame. I think it will be nice to see that 
>> headbadge and my mismatched colored brakes again, too: 
>>
>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>
>>
>> [image: image1.jpeg]
>>
>> Regarding smaller racks for the front: Didn’t Rivendell tell us Nitto no 
>> longer wanted us using racks for baskets? Weren’t we supposed to only use 
>> the Basket Rack for baskets? This is one hesitation I have with moving my 
>> basket to the rear, but maybe I’m misunderstanding? 
>>
>> Also, what makes a Rivendell better with a rear pannier rack, Jason? I 
>> have heard this more than once and am curious. I carried heavy front loads 
>> on my Betty for years and never noticed a problem…but then I also never 
>> noticed things like worn out chains and bald tires, so…. 
>>
>> Leah
>>
>> On Oct 9, 2022, at 3:24 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> "I think the rear basket looks quite good actually, to my surprise to be 
>> honest!"
>>
>> Jason, I was surprised, too. I think it's the long stays, there's so much 
>> room back there behind the saddle and it fills the space like it belongs 
>> there. I like it! 
>> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 10:49:33 AM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> I think the rear basket looks quite good actually, to my surprise to be 
>>> honest!  And up front, it'll allow that Fab's bag to hang without 
>>> impediment and you can mount the headlight off the fork crown, which are 
>>> some big wins in the elegance department. 
>>>
>>> I love the aesthetic and convenience of front cargo, but I'm coming to 
>>> accept that Rivs are best with a rear pannier rack and only a small front 
>>> "rando" rack and 137 basket for "overflow" capacity.  I pulled the Pass & 
>>> Stow rack off my Bombadil and am not looking back!  I'll put a small Nitto 
>>> rack on and will have saved over half a kg still.  
>>> On Saturday, 8 October 2022 

Re: [RBW] Nitto Basket Rack: is it too heavy?

[Joe Bernard]

"I think the rear basket looks quite good actually, to my surprise to be 
honest!"

Jason, I was surprised, too. I think it's the long stays, there's so much 
room back there behind the saddle and it fills the space like it belongs 
there. I like it! 
On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 10:49:33 AM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I think the rear basket looks quite good actually, to my surprise to be 
> honest!  And up front, it'll allow that Fab's bag to hang without 
> impediment and you can mount the headlight off the fork crown, which are 
> some big wins in the elegance department. 
>
> I love the aesthetic and convenience of front cargo, but I'm coming to 
> accept that Rivs are best with a rear pannier rack and only a small front 
> "rando" rack and 137 basket for "overflow" capacity.  I pulled the Pass & 
> Stow rack off my Bombadil and am not looking back!  I'll put a small Nitto 
> rack on and will have saved over half a kg still.  
> On Saturday, 8 October 2022 at 17:57:45 UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> You already know what my opinion will be but I love to hear the sound of 
>> my own voice so I'll say it anyway! 
>>
>> I think your new plan is the way and the basket on the back looks fine. I 
>> wouldn't worry about overloading the basket/bags..Platys aren't built for 
>> full-on touring loads but you've got a lot of triangulation back there with 
>> the mid-stays, I think you'll be fine. Just try to remember when you're e 
>> in the store that you brought the bike, not a van! 藍
>>
>> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 4:39:08 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Piaw has a point. It could come to that! (A trailer.) I went out and did 
>>> a mock-up of how my bike would look with a rear basket. Not as nice, but 
>>> there would be no wheel flop and I’d lose the weight of that heavy rack…
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone[image: image0.jpeg]
>>>
>>> On Oct 8, 2022, at 7:18 PM, Piaw Na  wrote:
>>>
>>> I think the "weight doesn't matter" statement only applies to say, the 
>>> 3 pound difference between my Roadini and my custom Ti touring bike. Nobody 
>>> would say that when comparing my Roadini and my triplet (65 pounds empty, 
>>> 320+ pounds loaded with myself, 2 kids, a 2 panniers for a 3 week tour). 
>>> Having said that, even on the triplet I shave every ounce I can because it 
>>> matters when you're at your limit and you're climbing a mountain in 100F. 
>>> If I were Leah, I would get a trailer that I could easily mount/remove for 
>>> when I needed to carry a lot of stuff. I have had a Yakima single-wheeled 
>>> trailer for 20+ years (out of production now but a similar one can be found 
>>> here: 
>>> https://www.mayacycle.com/bike-trailer-products/maya-cycle-bike-trailer). 
>>> It easily detaches so when you have no load your bike rides like a normal 
>>> bike (no wheel flop, etc), and then when you attach it you get a trailer! 
>>> Even better, with the trailer there are ways of maneuvering it so that the 
>>> trailer acts as a kickstand.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 12:37:28 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>>> And now..a rant: 
>>>>
>>>> This topic brings up a rather glaring fallacy with the "weight doesn't 
>>>> matter" ethos, you have to lift the darn thing sometimes. Every time I see 
>>>> someone toss a 17 lbs. road bike up on a roof rack like a feather I sigh a 
>>>> little. I love fully loaded steel bikes for the stuff they can do, but 
>>>> they 
>>>> can be a struggle to live with if you have to get them off the ground 
>>>> regularly. 
>>>>
>>>> Joe "oh good..stairs" Bernard 
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 11:35:41 AM UTC-7 Robert Tilley wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have that rack on my Hubbuhubbuh tandem. The rest of the bike is 
>>>>> heavy enough that I don’t even notice the rack weight. I like the 
>>>>> functionality of the rack so the weight doesn’t bother me much.
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert Tilley
>>>>> San Diego, CA
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 7, 2022, at 2:00 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi friends, 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Can we just talk about the Nitto Basket R

Re: [RBW] Nitto Basket Rack: is it too heavy?

[Joe Bernard]

You already know what my opinion will be but I love to hear the sound of my 
own voice so I'll say it anyway! 

I think your new plan is the way and the basket on the back looks fine. I 
wouldn't worry about overloading the basket/bags..Platys aren't built for 
full-on touring loads but you've got a lot of triangulation back there with 
the mid-stays, I think you'll be fine. Just try to remember when you're e 
in the store that you brought the bike, not a van! 藍

On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 4:39:08 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Piaw has a point. It could come to that! (A trailer.) I went out and did a 
> mock-up of how my bike would look with a rear basket. Not as nice, but 
> there would be no wheel flop and I’d lose the weight of that heavy rack…
>
> Sent from my iPhone[image: image0.jpeg]
>
> On Oct 8, 2022, at 7:18 PM, Piaw Na  wrote:
>
> I think the "weight doesn't matter" statement only applies to say, the 3 
> pound difference between my Roadini and my custom Ti touring bike. Nobody 
> would say that when comparing my Roadini and my triplet (65 pounds empty, 
> 320+ pounds loaded with myself, 2 kids, a 2 panniers for a 3 week tour). 
> Having said that, even on the triplet I shave every ounce I can because it 
> matters when you're at your limit and you're climbing a mountain in 100F. 
> If I were Leah, I would get a trailer that I could easily mount/remove for 
> when I needed to carry a lot of stuff. I have had a Yakima single-wheeled 
> trailer for 20+ years (out of production now but a similar one can be found 
> here: 
> https://www.mayacycle.com/bike-trailer-products/maya-cycle-bike-trailer). 
> It easily detaches so when you have no load your bike rides like a normal 
> bike (no wheel flop, etc), and then when you attach it you get a trailer! 
> Even better, with the trailer there are ways of maneuvering it so that the 
> trailer acts as a kickstand.
>
>
>
> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 12:37:28 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> And now..a rant: 
>>
>> This topic brings up a rather glaring fallacy with the "weight doesn't 
>> matter" ethos, you have to lift the darn thing sometimes. Every time I see 
>> someone toss a 17 lbs. road bike up on a roof rack like a feather I sigh a 
>> little. I love fully loaded steel bikes for the stuff they can do, but they 
>> can be a struggle to live with if you have to get them off the ground 
>> regularly. 
>>
>> Joe "oh good..stairs" Bernard 
>>
>> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 11:35:41 AM UTC-7 Robert Tilley wrote:
>>
>>> I have that rack on my Hubbuhubbuh tandem. The rest of the bike is heavy 
>>> enough that I don’t even notice the rack weight. I like the functionality 
>>> of the rack so the weight doesn’t bother me much.
>>>
>>> Robert Tilley
>>> San Diego, CA
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Oct 7, 2022, at 2:00 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi friends, 
>>>
>>>
>>> Can we just talk about the Nitto Basket Rack for one sec? 
>>>
>>> I was so excited when this was made and I got one soon after. I have it 
>>> on my Overkill Shopping Platypus, and I like the way it looks and its 
>>> utility but it is SO HEAVY. Noticeably heavy. Like, when I lift the 
>>> unloaded bike onto my van bike rack I struggle - and I’m no wimp. This 
>>> Platy outweighs my rear-racked and Backabike’d Clem, and I think the Basket 
>>> Rack is mostly to blame. 
>>>
>>> I’m toying with the idea of removing it, but then I’d have to get a new 
>>> setup for my dyno headlight, so I hesitate. 
>>>
>>> I don’t think I’ve heard anyone else complain about the weight of the 
>>> Basket Rack; I feel like I’m the only one, which makes me suspect I’m 
>>> wrong. Before I do anything drastic, I just wanted to see if this has been 
>>> anyone else’s experience. Is the Basket Rack a beast? Has anyone else tried 
>>> it and disliked it? 
>>>
>>> I know there’s a whole discussion out there about carrying weight on the 
>>> front. I guess I’ve never had a real issue with it, aside from not liking 
>>> that the bars swing around when parked. I’m not really talking about THAT; 
>>> I’m wondering if anyone else finds this Nitto rack unnecessarily heavy. Not 
>>> that I’m going for lightweight, here. I mean, look at these pics.
>>>
>>> Leah
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Nitto Basket Rack: is it too heavy?

[Joe Bernard]

And now..a rant: 

This topic brings up a rather glaring fallacy with the "weight doesn't 
matter" ethos, you have to lift the darn thing sometimes. Every time I see 
someone toss a 17 lbs. road bike up on a roof rack like a feather I sigh a 
little. I love fully loaded steel bikes for the stuff they can do, but they 
can be a struggle to live with if you have to get them off the ground 
regularly. 

Joe "oh good..stairs" Bernard 

On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 11:35:41 AM UTC-7 Robert Tilley wrote:

> I have that rack on my Hubbuhubbuh tandem. The rest of the bike is heavy 
> enough that I don’t even notice the rack weight. I like the functionality 
> of the rack so the weight doesn’t bother me much.
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 7, 2022, at 2:00 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  
> wrote:
>
> Hi friends, 
>
>
> Can we just talk about the Nitto Basket Rack for one sec? 
>
> I was so excited when this was made and I got one soon after. I have it on 
> my Overkill Shopping Platypus, and I like the way it looks and its utility 
> but it is SO HEAVY. Noticeably heavy. Like, when I lift the unloaded bike 
> onto my van bike rack I struggle - and I’m no wimp. This Platy outweighs my 
> rear-racked and Backabike’d Clem, and I think the Basket Rack is mostly to 
> blame. 
>
> I’m toying with the idea of removing it, but then I’d have to get a new 
> setup for my dyno headlight, so I hesitate. 
>
> I don’t think I’ve heard anyone else complain about the weight of the 
> Basket Rack; I feel like I’m the only one, which makes me suspect I’m 
> wrong. Before I do anything drastic, I just wanted to see if this has been 
> anyone else’s experience. Is the Basket Rack a beast? Has anyone else tried 
> it and disliked it? 
>
> I know there’s a whole discussion out there about carrying weight on the 
> front. I guess I’ve never had a real issue with it, aside from not liking 
> that the bars swing around when parked. I’m not really talking about THAT; 
> I’m wondering if anyone else finds this Nitto rack unnecessarily heavy. Not 
> that I’m going for lightweight, here. I mean, look at these pics.
>
> Leah
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto Basket Rack: is it too heavy?

[Joe Bernard]

Ah geez, I did an awful lot of talking you out of it for someone who wants 
to be talked into it (see, earlier: Why are you even posting Joe??). Get 
the stabilizer, keep the rack! 

On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 5:41:29 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I know, and you’re right. I’m just hoping maybe enough people will give 
> the rack glowing reviews that I will cave into groupthink and then change 
> my mind, decide it’s perfect and keep everything the way it is!
>
> On Oct 7, 2022, at 7:33 PM, Garth  wrote:
>
> 
>
> If it feels too heavy to you Leah it feels too heavy. We're not clones, 
> everyone's sensibilities are unique. Trust yourself. 
>
> FWIW, Soma makes an aluminum version of their Porteur rack, which weights 
> 794g total vs. 1180g for the steel. That's a lot ! They both have the same 
> weight limit, 22 pounds. 
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[RBW] Re: Nitto Basket Rack: is it too heavy?

[Joe Bernard]

Another issue when lifting is all that added weight has to be controlled on 
a fork trying to flop around on you. I've owned a couple bikes with big 
front racks and that part gets old RIGHT-quick. 

On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 3:22:40 PM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:

> Leah et al.,
>
> My wife had a similar feeling when she had the basket rack + basket on her 
> homer...a total of about 4 lbs of dead weight on the front, which for her 
> riding (unloaded, and when we did carry stuff it was always on my bike) was 
> rarely utilized to its full potential. We removed it as a result and she 
> now occasionally uses a bagboy on her saddle when she wants to carry stuff. 
> Her homer is about 25lbs now with fenders and dynamo and banana bag and she 
> appreciates that it is much easier to maneuver. Keep in mind the basket by 
> itself is about 2 lbs, so you'd only cut off maybe 1 lbs at most if you 
> switch to a lighter rack.
>
> That being said, a basket on a stable rack is one of the best commuting 
> and all-around-useful bike setups I have used and nothing compares to it's 
> capacity in carrying all sorts of weirdly shaped loads. I'll end by saying 
> definitively that you have to have at least one bike with a basket. The 
> weight "penalty" is worth it.
>
> Collin, basketcase, in sacramento
>
> On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 2:00:17 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi friends, 
>>
>> Can we just talk about the Nitto Basket Rack for one sec? 
>>
>> I was so excited when this was made and I got one soon after. I have it 
>> on my Overkill Shopping Platypus, and I like the way it looks and its 
>> utility but it is SO HEAVY. Noticeably heavy. Like, when I lift the 
>> unloaded bike onto my van bike rack I struggle - and I’m no wimp. This 
>> Platy outweighs my rear-racked and Backabike’d Clem, and I think the Basket 
>> Rack is mostly to blame. 
>>
>> I’m toying with the idea of removing it, but then I’d have to get a new 
>> setup for my dyno headlight, so I hesitate. 
>>
>> I don’t think I’ve heard anyone else complain about the weight of the 
>> Basket Rack; I feel like I’m the only one, which makes me suspect I’m 
>> wrong. Before I do anything drastic, I just wanted to see if this has been 
>> anyone else’s experience. Is the Basket Rack a beast? Has anyone else tried 
>> it and disliked it? 
>>
>> I know there’s a whole discussion out there about carrying weight on the 
>> front. I guess I’ve never had a real issue with it, aside from not liking 
>> that the bars swing around when parked. I’m not really talking about THAT; 
>> I’m wondering if anyone else finds this Nitto rack unnecessarily heavy. Not 
>> that I’m going for lightweight, here. I mean, look at these pics.
>>
>> Leah
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Nitto Basket Rack: is it too heavy?

[Joe Bernard]

As a non-front-rack guy (so why are you even posting, Joe??) I have no 
thoughts on that particular rack, but I DO have thoughts on total bike 
weight. When I had my custom designed, then added parts, I leaned towards 
as much lightness as I could safely get away with for the use. Lighter = 
easier/faster was a consideration, but the main goal wasn't for riding but 
moving the thing around. If it's a struggle to get up the steps to my house 
or load in the back of the car I'm going to be annoyed by that, the bike 
needs to be accessible in all ways. SO. If you're struggling to load it and 
can find a lighter/smaller rack to do the same job, I think this is the 
way. 

On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 2:00:17 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Hi friends, 
>
> Can we just talk about the Nitto Basket Rack for one sec? 
>
> I was so excited when this was made and I got one soon after. I have it on 
> my Overkill Shopping Platypus, and I like the way it looks and its utility 
> but it is SO HEAVY. Noticeably heavy. Like, when I lift the unloaded bike 
> onto my van bike rack I struggle - and I’m no wimp. This Platy outweighs my 
> rear-racked and Backabike’d Clem, and I think the Basket Rack is mostly to 
> blame. 
>
> I’m toying with the idea of removing it, but then I’d have to get a new 
> setup for my dyno headlight, so I hesitate. 
>
> I don’t think I’ve heard anyone else complain about the weight of the 
> Basket Rack; I feel like I’m the only one, which makes me suspect I’m 
> wrong. Before I do anything drastic, I just wanted to see if this has been 
> anyone else’s experience. Is the Basket Rack a beast? Has anyone else tried 
> it and disliked it? 
>
> I know there’s a whole discussion out there about carrying weight on the 
> front. I guess I’ve never had a real issue with it, aside from not liking 
> that the bars swing around when parked. I’m not really talking about THAT; 
> I’m wondering if anyone else finds this Nitto rack unnecessarily heavy. Not 
> that I’m going for lightweight, here. I mean, look at these pics.
>
> Leah
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 51cm Appaloosa for sale

[Joe Bernard]

Somebody's getting a great Rivbike with lots of purple Paul! 

On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 5:31:39 PM UTC-7 Ryan M. wrote:

> Looks like the bike has been sold. Thank you everybody for looking!
>
> On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 4:43:02 PM UTC-5 dr1...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> I'm in.qaaqa
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone 
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>>
>> On Thursday, October 6, 2022, 2:13 PM, Ryan M.  
>> wrote:
>>
>> [image: IMG_3495 (2).jpeg]
>>
>> On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 4:11:04 PM UTC-5 Ryan M. wrote:
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Re: [RBW] Re: Philadelphia Bike Expo 2022

[Joe Bernard]

Oh my. In the unlikely event I actually got on a plane and landed all the 
way over there I don't think I'd have figured out the logistics to bring a 
whole (and rather large) Rivendell with me. I'd just hang out and look at 
bikes and stuff, I enjoy that! 

On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 12:12:20 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Joe, you have to come. Just do it for the weekend. I never get away for 
> these things either, I hear ya, but I’m forsaking my responsibilities and 
> doing it. I have to drive all by myself for 10 hours each way, but I’ll 
> find enough coffee and courage and just do it. Rivendell will be there, 
> too. There will be group rides in the city and seminars to attend at the 
> convention. Here’s the website:
>
> https://phillybikeexpo.com/
>
> Now, will you pack your bike in a box like Pam Murray and bring it along? 
> I think yes.
> Leah
>
> On Oct 3, 2022, at 2:59 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> With the disclaimer that the chances of me making it to this shindig are 
> very low - it's all the way across the country and I hate flying, I don't 
> know how the catsitter thing would work, I'm borderline agoraphobic..the 
> list goes on! - what exactly IS a bike expo? What happens there? 
>
>
> Joe "so many questions" Bernard 
>
> On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 5:03:22 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:
>
>> Oct 29 and 30, downtown Philadelphia, easily accessible by car, Septa, NJ 
>> Transit, Amtrak, Greyhound, etc.,  and bike!  They also have free valet 
>> bike parking inside. 
>>
>> https://phillybikeexpo.com/  
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[RBW] Re: Fork Crack!

[Joe Bernard]

That looks structural to me. My vague recollection is those forks got 
beefed up after the first run of Appaloosas so you might want to contact 
Riv about background on this. 

If the 57 and 58 Appas use the same size wheels then the new fork should 
fit. 

On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 6:07:01 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Hi all, I just found a scary-looking crack in the crown of my Appaloosa’s 
> fork. I have several questions:
>
> 1: Is this a structural failure, or just old/deteriorating paint? 
>
> 2: Is the fork fixable/salvageable?
>
> 3: Is this a common thing i.e. has anyone else experienced this? If so, 
> were you able to/how did you fix it? 
>
> 4: Would a fork from a new 57cm Appaloosa fit my older 58cm Appaloosa?
>
> Advice and recommendations welcome.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Yves Gomez – mustardified

[Joe Bernard]

Lemondrop! Agreed, that's the name. 

On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 1:36:41 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I don’t think we can call this mustard. That’s not a pretty word and this 
> color is deserving of better. It’s Lemondrop.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 3, 2022, at 4:25 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> MEGA APPROVE!!
>
>
> BL in EC
>
> P.S. I'm sending you a direct message also...
>
> On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 9:47:03 AM UTC-7 Max S wrote:
>
>> This here bicycle arrived damaged in shipping, and off it went to Jack 
>> Trumbull at Franklin Frame in OH to get the "top" tube and a couple of 
>> other things repaired. The damage was extensive enough that the frame 
>> needed to be repainted, so we went after a Clem mustardish color. Props to 
>> Jack for great work. 
>>
>> - Max "who among us wasn't damaged in shipping?" in A2 
>>
>> [image: Yves Gomez mustard downtube.jpeg][image: Yves Gomez mustard 
>> driveside.jpeg][image: Yves Gomez mustard headtube.jpeg][image: Yves 
>> Gomez mustard seat lug.jpeg][image: Yves Gomez mustard seat tube.jpeg]
>>
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[RBW] Re: I pedaled the puddle

[Joe Bernard]

Huh, that's a fascinating description of how spinning feels to you. I'm the 
opposite, I like to spin-spin-spin and 
find the hard-gear/push-hard thing to be more stressful. I don't know why 
and I'm practicing getting better with it cuz that spin does have the 
effect of making every ride take all dang day to get where I'm going. 

Group ride: 
What's funny is it didn't end up being one. The 20-milers were supposed to 
leave no earlier than 10am so we wouldn't get to the rest stop before they 
were set up, I expected the whole group to take off at once. Nope! It was 
very 'everyone just wandering around and doing their own thing' when I got 
there so I snapped a pic and hit the road by myself. Eventually I joined up 
with a father and son and we did the crazy-fast downhill together, so that 
was cool. 

On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 12:25:49 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Congrats on getting back into group rides! I have found them to be 
> immensely rewarding and a great way to keep extra fit. I never go as fast 
> on my own as I do on a club ride; it’s good to know you *can* if you want 
> to. I am glad my advice helped you - I don’t know anything about anything; 
> I just know that I dislike spinning. It makes me feel anxious and out of 
> control, but pushing against pedals is an accomplishment. I have found that 
> my muscles will do what I ask of them if I am willing to push past some 
> discomfort. Beware, your jeans may start to feel snug around your thighs. 
> Now that it’s pants-weather up north, I’m realizing this.
>
>
>
> On Sunday, October 2, 2022 at 10:38:32 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Roberta, 
>>
>> I was worried about being last, too, and was determined to avoid it. I 
>> started out cruising then remembered to take a page out of the "ride like 
>> Leah" handbook, she told me recently she keeps it in a high gear most of 
>> the time and just GOES. So I did the same and just WENT!* 藍
>>
>> *Thanks for this, Leah..I'm a notoriously non-going pedaler and this 
>> helped me. It works! 
>>
>> On Sunday, October 2, 2022 at 7:09:54 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> That does look like fun. 
>>>
>>> I rode in John H’s (from this board) club metric century (or metric 1/2 
>>> century) fundraiser in south NJ this year. No beautiful lake like you had, 
>>> but gentle rolling hills and pretty views. I’m sure much easier than what 
>>> you rode. 
>>>
>>> I did the 1/2 century and am happy that I got back to the ending point, 
>>> the last person in my group but at least before any of the century riders 
>>> got there.  
>>>
>>> I got to see John, his new to him Lyon bike ( it’s beautiful), and 
>>> chatted with others at the BBQ. It’s a lovely way to spend the day, isn’t 
>>> it?
>>>
>>> Roberta
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 2, 2022 at 4:04:43 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes it was the last one, whicn was cancelled for the pandemic in '20 
>>>> and '21 then finally run this year. A fellow I spoke to at the BBQ said 
>>>> Ride Director Jennifer Strong struggled to get help on the administrative 
>>>> side and decided she'd had enough. Unspoken but notable considering this 
>>>> fellow was in his 80s, I was quite surprised to see most of the riders 
>>>> were 
>>>> my age (60) and older; I don't know what the demographics for other 
>>>> charity 
>>>> rides are but this one seemed to consist of the same folks who rode with 
>>>> me 
>>>> when I was doing these things 15-20 years ago. Me-thinks the registration 
>>>> numbers were dwindling. 
>>>>
>>>> Tires are 650B x 47 and I needed every mm of them. Lake County roads 
>>>> need help! 
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, October 2, 2022 at 12:39:26 PM UTC-7 J J wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Looks like so much fun, Joe. Does farewell mean this was the last such 
>>>>> ride? Brought back memories of a boating and waterskiing trip to Clear 
>>>>> Lake 
>>>>> a while back. Beautiful.
>>>>>
>>>>> And your bike looks awesome as usual. What size tires are you running?
>>>>> On Sunday, October 2, 2022 at 2:43:10 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok technically I pedaled NEAR it, this was the farewell Pedal The 
>>>>>> Puddle ride at Clear Lake CA. and they didn't do the loop around the 
>>>>>> lake 
>>>>>> this year, just the 2

[RBW] Re: Yves Gomez – mustardified

[Joe Bernard]

The original color on these was black and although I kinda liked it THIS is 
much better. A lovely bicycle!  

On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 12:21:09 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Oh, breathtaking. I am blown away - this is right up there for one of my 
> favorite colors ever. I would never, could never, say I am glad it was 
> damaged in shipping, but oh, this color is superior to whatever it was 
> before. Just gorgeous. Are you going to fight over it? Does it fit you? 
> Guess what I think you should ride to our Grand Rapids ride this month…
>
> On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 12:47:03 PM UTC-4 Max S wrote:
>
>> This here bicycle arrived damaged in shipping, and off it went to Jack 
>> Trumbull at Franklin Frame in OH to get the "top" tube and a couple of 
>> other things repaired. The damage was extensive enough that the frame 
>> needed to be repainted, so we went after a Clem mustardish color. Props to 
>> Jack for great work. 
>>
>> - Max "who among us wasn't damaged in shipping?" in A2 
>>
>> [image: Yves Gomez mustard downtube.jpeg][image: Yves Gomez mustard 
>> driveside.jpeg][image: Yves Gomez mustard headtube.jpeg][image: Yves 
>> Gomez mustard seat lug.jpeg][image: Yves Gomez mustard seat tube.jpeg]
>>
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[RBW] Re: Philadelphia Bike Expo 2022

[Joe Bernard]

With the disclaimer that the chances of me making it to this shindig are 
very low - it's all the way across the country and I hate flying, I don't 
know how the catsitter thing would work, I'm borderline agoraphobic..the 
list goes on! - what exactly IS a bike expo? What happens there? 

Joe "so many questions" Bernard 

On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 5:03:22 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:

> Oct 29 and 30, downtown Philadelphia, easily accessible by car, Septa, NJ 
> Transit, Amtrak, Greyhound, etc.,  and bike!  They also have free valet 
> bike parking inside. 
>
> https://phillybikeexpo.com/  
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Re: [RBW] SKS Fender Hardware addition - Riv video advisement

[Joe Bernard]

Yes you can reuse (if they're not cut too short) the stays on the bike. You 
probably have rubber caps on the ends you'll need to remove, then you can 
slide them off the old fenders and onto the new ones. 

On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 11:44:48 AM UTC-7 Tim Tetrault wrote:

> Sweet, thanks Garth.
>
> On Mon, Oct 3, 2022 at 11:43 AM Garth  wrote:
>
>> This recent post may help you out Tim. 
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/k_tcFTVh_jE/m/_Y-pgU4iAgAJ
>>
>> While many refer to McMaster-Carr. that's great if you regularly shop 
>> with them or want to order more stuff online... but sheesh . there's 
>> nothing like going to a store and finding something suitable there. Take 
>> your fender bolt with you to the store. For fenders the gap need not even 
>> be filled with an official "spacer". I've used cork and a wooden 
>> dowel/block before. Anything that has hole in it, or can be drilled is a 
>> suitable candidate for creativity. I'm all for using things on hand when 
>> doable rather than trying to copy how someone else may have done it. Be 
>> creative, be unique, it's everywhere ! 
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[RBW] Re: I pedaled the puddle

[Joe Bernard]

Roberta, 

I was worried about being last, too, and was determined to avoid it. I 
started out cruising then remembered to take a page out of the "ride like 
Leah" handbook, she told me recently she keeps it in a high gear most of 
the time and just GOES. So I did the same and just WENT!* 藍

*Thanks for this, Leah..I'm a notoriously non-going pedaler and this helped 
me. It works! 

On Sunday, October 2, 2022 at 7:09:54 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:

> That does look like fun. 
>
> I rode in John H’s (from this board) club metric century (or metric 1/2 
> century) fundraiser in south NJ this year. No beautiful lake like you had, 
> but gentle rolling hills and pretty views. I’m sure much easier than what 
> you rode. 
>
> I did the 1/2 century and am happy that I got back to the ending point, 
> the last person in my group but at least before any of the century riders 
> got there.  
>
> I got to see John, his new to him Lyon bike ( it’s beautiful), and chatted 
> with others at the BBQ. It’s a lovely way to spend the day, isn’t it?
>
> Roberta
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, October 2, 2022 at 4:04:43 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Yes it was the last one, whicn was cancelled for the pandemic in '20 and 
>> '21 then finally run this year. A fellow I spoke to at the BBQ said Ride 
>> Director Jennifer Strong struggled to get help on the administrative side 
>> and decided she'd had enough. Unspoken but notable considering this fellow 
>> was in his 80s, I was quite surprised to see most of the riders were my age 
>> (60) and older; I don't know what the demographics for other charity rides 
>> are but this one seemed to consist of the same folks who rode with me when 
>> I was doing these things 15-20 years ago. Me-thinks the registration 
>> numbers were dwindling. 
>>
>> Tires are 650B x 47 and I needed every mm of them. Lake County roads need 
>> help! 
>>
>> On Sunday, October 2, 2022 at 12:39:26 PM UTC-7 J J wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like so much fun, Joe. Does farewell mean this was the last such 
>>> ride? Brought back memories of a boating and waterskiing trip to Clear Lake 
>>> a while back. Beautiful.
>>>
>>> And your bike looks awesome as usual. What size tires are you running?
>>> On Sunday, October 2, 2022 at 2:43:10 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ok technically I pedaled NEAR it, this was the farewell Pedal The 
>>>> Puddle ride at Clear Lake CA. and they didn't do the loop around the lake 
>>>> this year, just the 20 and 40 milers. I did the 20 which was billed as a 
>>>> "family fun ride" but the first 8-or-so miles were pretty serious and 
>>>> steep 
>>>> to me! But then we went down the other side and that was pretty rad. 
>>>>
>>>> I had a lot of fun and really didn't miss the brutal 67 miles around 
>>>> the lake I had done a few times in the olden days, this was awesome. Then 
>>>> there was BBQ!
>>>>
>>>> One Roadeo spotted, I think we had the only Rivs there. Note the very 
>>>> worn-in Brooks, that's a Rivbike with big miles under its wheels 
>>>>
>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/rVXrjdo8MJNsaNow6
>>>>
>>>> Joe "puddle pedaler" Bernard 
>>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: I pedaled the puddle

[Joe Bernard]

Yes it was the last one, whicn was cancelled for the pandemic in '20 and 
'21 then finally run this year. A fellow I spoke to at the BBQ said Ride 
Director Jennifer Strong struggled to get help on the administrative side 
and decided she'd had enough. Unspoken but notable considering this fellow 
was in his 80s, I was quite surprised to see most of the riders were my age 
(60) and older; I don't know what the demographics for other charity rides 
are but this one seemed to consist of the same folks who rode with me when 
I was doing these things 15-20 years ago. Me-thinks the registration 
numbers were dwindling. 

Tires are 650B x 47 and I needed every mm of them. Lake County roads need 
help! 

On Sunday, October 2, 2022 at 12:39:26 PM UTC-7 J J wrote:

> Looks like so much fun, Joe. Does farewell mean this was the last such 
> ride? Brought back memories of a boating and waterskiing trip to Clear Lake 
> a while back. Beautiful.
>
> And your bike looks awesome as usual. What size tires are you running?
> On Sunday, October 2, 2022 at 2:43:10 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Ok technically I pedaled NEAR it, this was the farewell Pedal The Puddle 
>> ride at Clear Lake CA. and they didn't do the loop around the lake this 
>> year, just the 20 and 40 milers. I did the 20 which was billed as a "family 
>> fun ride" but the first 8-or-so miles were pretty serious and steep to me! 
>> But then we went down the other side and that was pretty rad. 
>>
>> I had a lot of fun and really didn't miss the brutal 67 miles around the 
>> lake I had done a few times in the olden days, this was awesome. Then there 
>> was BBQ!
>>
>> One Roadeo spotted, I think we had the only Rivs there. Note the very 
>> worn-in Brooks, that's a Rivbike with big miles under its wheels 
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/rVXrjdo8MJNsaNow6
>>
>> Joe "puddle pedaler" Bernard 
>>
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[RBW] I pedaled the puddle

[Joe Bernard]

Ok technically I pedaled NEAR it, this was the farewell Pedal The Puddle 
ride at Clear Lake CA. and they didn't do the loop around the lake this 
year, just the 20 and 40 milers. I did the 20 which was billed as a "family 
fun ride" but the first 8-or-so miles were pretty serious and steep to me! 
But then we went down the other side and that was pretty rad. 

I had a lot of fun and really didn't miss the brutal 67 miles around the 
lake I had done a few times in the olden days, this was awesome. Then there 
was BBQ!

One Roadeo spotted, I think we had the only Rivs there. Note the very 
worn-in Brooks, that's a Rivbike with big miles under its wheels 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/rVXrjdo8MJNsaNow6

Joe "puddle pedaler" Bernard 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bikes For Sale: Craigslist, ebay, etc. Fall 2022 edition

[Joe Bernard]

Haha, Leah Bicycle Belle Ding Ding is getting quoted in Clem L FS ads now 
: 

"RBW Blue paint job is simply stunning, 'the color of light hitting the 
water' as someone more poetic than me described it."


On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 8:40:17 PM UTC-7 Slin wrote:

> Wow, this Clem L 52cm in Berkeley look great. $1700 
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/7540704270.html
>
> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 5:18:30 PM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:
>
>> I thought the frame looked like it was in nice shape
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 6:35:52 AM UTC-5 weste...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> As that forest green All Rounder comes with a lot of extras -- front and 
>>> rear Nitto Camping racks, Son dynamo front wheel plus original front wheel, 
>>> and a pile of parts and accessories I think it is not a bad deal -- the 
>>> $3000 is an asking price -- one might do better -- at $2500 that package is 
>>> well worth it, IMHO, and at $3000 it is still not that bad -- given that 
>>> custom Riv frames are now $5000+ and a Taiwan Riv frameset other than a 
>>> Clem is $1700-1900 this not a bottom-feeding bargain, but if were the right 
>>> size and someone was looking for a great riding classic Riv this would be 
>>> hard to match -- and it looks like it has had very little use. 
>>>
>>> Julian Westerhout
>>> Bloomington, IL  
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 6:28:49 PM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Joe, you’re probably right that it is a 52 and the owner was measuring 
>>>> c-c or something. If it were closer to a 54-55 size I’d be inclined to try 
>>>> to negotiate a more reasonable price. That bike looks like it could use 
>>>> some love.
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 25, 2022, at 6:25 PM, Brian Turner  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> The $3,000 AR is a 51cm. I reached out to the seller since she’s in my 
>>>> neck of the woods. I’m sure it’s a nice Riv for a project bike, but I 
>>>> agree 
>>>> it’s got too much going against it to fetch that asking price.
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 25, 2022, at 4:28 PM, Ryan  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I confess mine has "Ryan Fleming" on it. My vanity would almost 
>>>> certainly discount the price...if I was going to sell it. My heirs' 
>>>> problem, not mine. Saddle level with a Pearl stem. Moustache bars. I'm 
>>>> still OK with that position and it's still a lovely bike...my issue is 
>>>> with 
>>>> the accursed Compass McClure tires I replaced the perfectly fine Pasela 
>>>> 26" 
>>>> X 1.5"  tires with   ...an upgrade that really wasn't necessary.
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 3:03:10 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yeah that AR looks like the 52cm I had, which also had the dreaded 
>>>>> owner's name on the toptube..not the most brilliant idea in early 
>>>>> Rivland. 
>>>>> $3000 is uh optimistic, there's a 50cm on Ebay that started there and 
>>>>> is now down to $2000 with no takers. They're nice production bikes with 
>>>>> beautiful paint and graphics but I think the low-ish bar heights 
>>>>> available 
>>>>> with them are a struggle for current Riv Riders. 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 11:46:48 AM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> First one is a Waterford-built All-rounder. Same color as mine. Looks 
>>>>>> like it wasn't ridden so much
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't have a FB account but I downloaded the screen shot and saw 
>>>>>> the 531 decal ...and the lugs. $3000.00. Too much? Someone might want to 
>>>>>> cover over owner's initials , which was an option at the time. Nice 
>>>>>> bike. 
>>>>>> 26" wheels? Looks like a sub 56cm size but just guessing
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Haven't ridden mine much lately , but I'm loath to part with it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 11:25:06 AM UTC-5 JAS wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> SAM $2400
>>>>>>> 51m
>>>>>>> Portland 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-rivendell-bicycle-works-sam/7536289932.html
>>>>>

[RBW] Re: WTB: 650b rim brake wheelset

[Joe Bernard]

You got me curious about the Crust wheels because I'm wishing now that I'd 
built my custom with a dynohub, so took a look. Note that the rear spacing 
is 130, my custom and most Rivs use 135. I don't know what frame you're 
building up so thought you should be aware of this. 

On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 7:23:04 PM UTC-7 J wrote:

> (cross post from iBob)
>
> I'm in need of a 650b rim brake, quick release wheelset in silver for a 
> new build. In solid consideration is the Crust 650b wheelset for $575. I 
> don't need a dynamo hub, but I'm not opposed to it (it'll just necessitate 
> buying a light as well) 48mm tires will likely live on them most of the 
> time but quite possibly 55mm as well. 
>
> Anyone have anything not getting used that can compete with the Crust 
> wheels that they'd like to sell? I'm in no way a wheel expert so other new 
> wheelset suggestions are welcome. I tried this a year or to ago and got a 
> bit overwhelmed at the time, leaving some good folks offers and suggestions 
> hanging, so I'll try not to do that again. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Going around in circles with shifters.

[Joe Bernard]

I can't comment on the Shimano comparison but I've used Silver1 and 2 as 
bar-ends and liked that long blade better. The way you can drop your whole 
hand and pull up on the ratcheting direction with your two rear fingers 
(pinkie and the other one) can't be beat for friction shifting. 

On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 3:07:00 PM UTC-7 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:

> Adding to Ben's comments.  I've been running Shimano Dura-Ace 9-speed bar 
> ends on my bikes for awhile, in friction mode.  Recently wanted to see 
> what, if any, difference Silver2 shifter would be.  So last week I 
> purchased one Silver2 lever for the rear to try on one bike.  Yes, had to 
> use my Dremel to shave off the little nub on the Shimano pod, which doesn't 
> affect the ability to go back to using the Shimano shift lever.  After a 
> few days of riding with the Silver2 lever the verdict is in and I've 
> switched back to the Shimano lever.  Smoother operation and more 
> comfortable ergonomics, in my opinion.
> On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 11:40:38 AM UTC-7 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> I love this conversation and have learned alot from it.  I'm not the only 
>> one to be bothered w/cable routing, etc.  There is no perfect solution - 
>> long cables, impaired shifting, down tube or stem shifters...  I have bar 
>> ends (friction) on albatross bars and long cables which sometimes get in 
>> the way of closing my front
>>
>>  bag.  [image: fanny.jpg]
>>
>> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 7:57:10 PM UTC-4 bunny...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Since I didn't REALLY want to mangle the pods, I decided to dremed the 
>>> square centered washer spacers. A few minutes carefullt carving on each and 
>>> I got the stopper washers to fit over the indexing alignment bump.
>>>
>>> Here's hoping for the best on my ride this evening. 
>>> I really live in a charmed world... Amixing shifting on the downtube 
>>> where I have to lean dow a couple inches vs quick-access bar end with MAYBE 
>>> a bit of bonus friction from the housing. 
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>> Ben
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 10:45:22 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>>>
 The half-round function is to locate the indexing function of the 
 indexing shifters correctly. Not strictly necessary, but it makes it 
 impossible to install an indexing shifter incorrectly - idiot proofing. It 
 is easily removed with a file or Dremel to allow silver or Dia-Compe 
 friction shifters to be installed.

 Laing

 On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 1:00:01 PM UTC-4 bunny...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> More shifter nerd talk!
>  
> Attemped to mount the silver shifter onto the shimano pod this morning 
> and ran into a snag. Many of you probably know this, but if not, here's 
> the 
> deal.
>
> Here's a photo of the Shimano Pod. Thanks Park Tool!
> https://www.parktool.com/assets/img/repairhelp/barendshifter44.jpg
>
> There is a little extra half-circle of metal on the little square area 
> where one fits a spacer/washer. The shimano spacer fits right over it. 
> The 
> standard square-hole washer does not. Riv obviously knows ths=is because 
> their silver pods do not have this half-circle.
>
> The only reason I can fathom why this is there is to make the Shimano 
> pods not be compatible wiuth other bands of shift levers. They probably 
> don't want people futzing around. I believe I can dremel that half-circle 
> off and fit my washer, and it will also not affect the shimano 
> performance 
> in any way if I want to put the Shimano shifters back on. 
>
> For now, I will remain a downtube shifter user and see if/when I go 
> crazy ;)
>
> Ben
> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 3:53:11 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I am with you Ben! First 20+ mile ride with the Silver thumbie rear. 
>> Shifting is buttery smooth - love it! It is so responsive & precise 
>> feeling.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 19, 2022, at 5:57 PM, Ben Adrian  wrote:
>>
>> Pointless updates because I just like talking bikes. 
>>
>>
>> Ever since I rerouted my cables, my performance has been very good. 
>> However, I've never tried any of the Suntour/Silver ratchet shifters and 
>> I've always been curious. I found a used set here so I grabbed them. I 
>> gently removed my rear derailleur cable, wrapped the cable and housing, 
>> and 
>> tied it down to my rack. Then I mounted the SIlver shifter to the DT 
>> boss 
>> an ran the a new rear cable to the RD. WOw, these are really nice. And 
>> the 
>> direct cable run gives me the smoothest performance yet. 
>>
>> So now... set up the front and leave it as a DT shifter bike, or try 
>> mounting the Silvers on my Shimano pods and do full friction bar-end? 
>>
>> Ben
>>
>> On Saturday, September 10, 

[RBW] Re: my new 2 speed coaster brake Susie

[Joe Bernard]

I don't know if I could live with no front brake lever to grab in an 
emergency stop - what if I forget it's coaster brake only??! - but this is 
SO cool. I love the "only what you need and nothing more" look and 
vibe..nice work, Matt! 

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 11:54:55 AM UTC-7 Matt Fitzgerald wrote:

> I've had my new Susie since June, but ordered the frame months earlier. 
> This gave me a lot of time to consider the dream setup, and time to sell 
> the Clem H I'd been riding for a couple of years. I loved that bike, but it 
> was a bit too much of a Lincoln Town Car to qualify as the dream bike I 
> dreamt of. This one fits the bill. It is a XL Susie in the green color. As 
> I purchased parts, I realized I was pursuing an idealized version of my 
> childhood bike. I grew up in the 1970's in northern michigan, riding a 
> green Schwinn sting ray that my father refashioned into a "bmx" when that 
> craze hit. The bike had a wild frame, fat tires, a coaster brake, single 
> speed, with black handlebars, a black saddle, and green pedals. As an 
> adult, my favorite (stolen) bike had been a Surly Cross Check set up as a 
> single speed, with rim brakes and north road bars. I loved that bike's 
> simplicity. 
>
> I'd never built a bike up from the frame before buying the Susie, but 
> youtube is my friend. While waiting on the frame, I bought a 2 speed 
> kickback sturmey archer hub, a salsa gordo front wheel with a black rim and 
> shimano dynamo hub, a black sugino RD2 crankset, a black seatpost, cheap 
> green oversized mb pedals, a black quill stem, a dynamo headlight, black 
> handlebar tape, and chunky black grips. All of these items were used but 
> the rear hub. I had a brooks cambium saddle, Surly ET tires, and an older 
> Nitto albatross handlebar on a bike I put together for my son. I switched 
> these out for stuff in our garage and he hasn't yet complained. The photo 
> below is of the bike with the Salsa sparrow handlebars I switched out for 
> the nittos. When the rear hub arrived, I took it to the wonderful folks at 
> Boulevard Bikes (I live in Chicago) and asked them to build a rear wheel. 
>
> And then, when the frame was delivered I realized how difficult it is to 
> set up a bike with vertical dropouts as a single speed! I bought a couple 
> of chains, a chain tool, and a pile of rear cogs. After 500,000 attempts, I 
> nailed it. 
>
> My first ride was from our place on the north side, down through various 
> paths in Lincoln Park, to State Street in the Gold Coast, into the loop, 
> then South on Michigan to Hyde Park, and back home along the Lakefront. It 
> was a gorgeous evening in mid-June, warm but not hot. The bike took me 
> straight back to childhood. It was geared way too high, so each turn of the 
> pedals rushed me forward. I've been riding a coaster brake Raleigh 20 for 
> years, and am very comfortable with that setup. For city riding, it 
> requires focus and a lot of anticipation, which are good practices 
> regardless of how you stop. The 2 speed kickback wasn't immediately 
> intuitive, but I immediately loved both the limitation it imposes, and the 
> option it provides. After a few months, switching between the two gears has 
> become second nature. 
>
> We spent a month up in Michigan this summer. Before leaving, I took the 
> bike back to Boulevard to make sure I hadn't done anything that would kill 
> me. I asked them to switch the gearing, anticipating a lot of hills in 
> Michigan. It didn't take them nearly as long as it took me, and they set up 
> a perfect gear ratio. I rode a mix of pavement, dirt roads and forest 
> trails daily, and grew to love the bike more with each ride. It is 
> comfortable and aggressive, quite relaxed, but able to burst and leap. The 
> hills made my legs stronger. I'll probably switch to a more conventional 
> setup with rim brakes and a rear derailer eventually, but for now, I'm in 
> bike heaven. 
>
> Gratefully, 
> Matt in Chicago
> [image: IMG_1873.JPG]
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto MT10 DirtDrop stem, 25.4, perfect

[Joe Bernard]

SOLD. To a very nice person! 

On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 12:36:39 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Even by my "Lordy I hate scratches" standard this one is ridiculous, it 
> looks brand new! 
>
> 10cm
> 25.4 clamp
> 190mm quill (same height as 225 Tallux cuz of the upjutting) 
>
> $80 shipped 48 states 
> Email/text for the mo pics and questions and such as 
> joeremi62 gmail com
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[RBW] Re: ISO: New wheelset for Romulus

[Joe Bernard]

The hiccup with converting a Romulus to 650B is you aren't starting with 
short-reach calipers that can be swapped for Tektro R559, the brakes you 
have now (probably labeled Shimano, no model name) are mid-reach. It can be 
done with some centerpulls which you'll need cable hangers for.  

On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 11:45:26 AM UTC-7 Dave C wrote:

> That is a great suggestion. And you mentioned something else; I know some 
> people have converted their Romulus to 650B, and I believed that involved a 
> new pair of brakes and a new wheelset. I don't know how well their 
> conversion went, in terms of tire clearance and bottom bracket height. 
>
> Back to Velo Orange - are their rims and hubs as good as a Velocity A23 or 
> Pacenti? I really wish I knew more about rim quality, but I don't.
>
> On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 11:14:25 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>
>> Assuming that a Romulus uses 700C; VO has a 20% off sale going on right 
>> now so a pair of 100 x 130 hub, 32 spoke 700C wheels can be had for $404. 
>> 884 g front 1042 g rear - not super light, but what do you expect for $404, 
>> new, shipped? These use the VO hubs and VO Enterprise rims - 22mm wide good 
>> for 38mm tires.  Up to 11 speed cassette. In stock as of now.
>> I have had good luck with 1 set of VO wheels and several sets of VO rims 
>> on wheels that I have built. Plus if you want polished silver rims and 
>> hubs, there aren't a lot of choices. I like VO hubs as the round holes 
>> remind me of the Campagnolo Tipo hubs of my youth.
>> Pacenti would be another option, if they have anything in stock
>> And of course Rivendell has some wheelsets available, but not for $404.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 1:46:56 PM UTC-4 Dave C wrote:
>>
>>> I don't follow discussions about wheelsets for rim brake road bikes 
>>> today, so I do not know what I should use to replace my stock wheelset of 
>>> my Romulus. I like to ride this bike light and fast, and I will definitely 
>>> use tires between 30-38 mm. Is there a great lightweight wheelset that I 
>>> should look for new or used? Maybe you have a set you'd like to sell? I 
>>> know I don't want a "heavy duty" pair of wheels; I'm not a heavy person and 
>>> I do not break spokes or break equipment. I am open to different rim 
>>> materials, as long as it will last a while.
>>>
>>> Thanks for any feedback. I always value your opinions. Dave in Carlsbad
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Are Paul brakes worth the money?

[Joe Bernard]

The Phil cache from the '70s is an excellent analogy to how Paul lands for 
me: I was fascinated by Paul parts - especially the rear derailleur - 
during the CNC mountain bike era in the '90s (and still have my BikePro 
catalogue to show for it). Later as an older dude I was finally able to 
afford it and here we are. Are Paul parts necessary? No. Does everyone love 
their CNC look? Also no. I love em and I got em! 

On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 9:00:05 PM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> In my opinion, Paul componentry is like the new Phil Wood of the 20th 
> century. When Phil Wood came out with their hubs in the early '70's, it was 
> THE thing to admire and buy.
>  
> I personally am unable to purchase Paul componentry. They are very much 
> beyond my budget. I like Dia-Compe componentry a lot. They are good quality 
> company that is been around for decades.
>
> Waiting on a pair of Dia-Compe SS-6 silver brakes levers and Dia-Compe 
> silver 980 cantilever breads in the mail to upgrade on my Clem Smith Jr. 
> "L".
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA.
>
>
>
> On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 6:50:48 PM UTC-7 Robert Tilley wrote:
>
>> I have never used any of Paul’s brakes surprisingly. It’s surprising 
>> because I have no problem spending money on things that are better/more 
>> advanced than what I need. 
>>
>> For me, I think (maybe wrongly) that I can get 90% of the braking that 
>> Paul’s would provide at a fraction of the cost by using other brakes. I 
>> have Avid linear pull brakes on my Hubbuhubbuh and have no problem stopping 
>> quickly when needed.  
>>
>> The aesthetics are also a factor. The industrial look of most of Paul’s 
>> brakes looks out of place on more traditional bikes to me.
>>
>> I think one day I’lll buy a set of Klampers to test them out. I don’t 
>> think they will be a revelation compared to the TRP Spykes they would 
>> replace on the bike I have in mind but they will definitely look better.
>>
>> Robert Tilley
>> San Diego, CA
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 25, 2022, at 10:52 AM, Bill Fulford  wrote:
>>
>> I was recently gifted $500 to Rivendell. My plan was to upgrade my 2007 
>> Atlantis with Paul brakes and levers. I placed the order only to read later 
>> that the brakes are sold per wheel. That’s  more than I wanted to spend. So 
>> before I call Rivendell tomorrow morning to cancel I’m wondering how folks 
>> feel about these brakes? I would be ordering the linear pull brake with 
>> love levers. Are they worth it? 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Are Paul brakes worth the money?

[Joe Bernard]

Yes he should buy what he wants, my answer is my experience and how I feel 
about it. It's also based on the budget I was working with a couple years 
ago, I'm not currently operating with Paul money! 螺

On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 4:20:51 PM UTC-7 Minh wrote:

> you're responses are going to be a little skewed by asking on this group, 
> as most of us have decided that 'worth it' are based on other things beside 
> $$ value.   from a functional standpoint you can get other brakes that are 
> more affordable and function nearly the same.   if you want to split the 
> difference consider forgoing the brakes and treating yourself to the 
> levers, they will bring you a little bit of joy everytime you touch them 
> and remind you about the person that gave you the gift.  
>
> there's no wrong decision here, its really personal so do what feels right 
> to you regardless of what others may say, welcome and enjoy!
>
> On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 6:08:52 PM UTC-4 velomann wrote:
>
>> They are absolutely worth the money in terms of quality, function, and 
>> supporting a great company. I own and use every type of brake Paul makes, 
>> and lots of others and the Motolites combined with the Paul levers are 
>> absolutely the best rim brakes I have ever used. And yes I disagree that 
>> they are difficult to set up, especially compared to many older canti 
>> brakes out there. The two-nut system all Paul brakes use is (to my mind) 
>> intuitive and once you get it, all Paul rim brakes set up basically the 
>> same way. 
>> And the Motolites are one of the only rim brakes that allows you to 
>> (within reason) swap wheel sizes. I can run 700c wheels on my 650b Sam 
>> Hillborne no problem (except removing the fenders.)
>> I do recommend purchasing the Paul Bottle Opener tool 
>> https://www.paulcomp.com/shop/service-parts/tools/bottle-opener/
>> Yes you can adjust Paul brake tension with a 15mm box wrench or cone 
>> wrench, but the angle and width that matches the Paul brake nut is really 
>> helpful and it's a nice tool to keep in you on-bike kit.
>>
>> Mike M
>>
>> On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 10:52:35 AM UTC-7 Bill Fulford wrote:
>>
>>> I was recently gifted $500 to Rivendell. My plan was to upgrade my 2007 
>>> Atlantis with Paul brakes and levers. I placed the order only to read later 
>>> that the brakes are sold per wheel. That’s  more than I wanted to spend. So 
>>> before I call Rivendell tomorrow morning to cancel I’m wondering how folks 
>>> feel about these brakes? I would be ordering the linear pull brake with 
>>> love levers. Are they worth it?
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Are Paul brakes worth the money?

[Joe Bernard]

Tire clearance is a thing, too, if you're looking at v-brakes. My Motolites 
are quite tall and clear a 650B x 47 "gravel" tire with room left for 
fenders. 

On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 2:00:19 PM UTC-7 Ryan M. wrote:

> I really do think they are worth the money and when/if you ever decide to 
> sell them you can recoup a lot of the cost back. 
>
> I've had the fortunate experience of using most of the current Paul brakes 
> at one time or another and I do think they all work really well. They work 
> even better when you pair them with a set of Paul levers too. I think the 
> combination really makes the system work quite well and the levers are just 
> strong and smooth. I'm a huge fan of the moto lites, Klampers, and the 
> canti brakes, either the touring or retro models. It does take a little 
> time to set up those cantis, but once dialed in they are great. 
>
> Worth it for you...well, that depends on the money. A set of Shimano xt v 
> brakes and levers just isn't that much money and they will work fine. Pauls 
> are just better and IMHO, easier to setup...and the motolites have an 
> industry best disconnection system. 
>
> On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 3:34:47 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Only speaking for myself, here: I love my Paul cantis and moto lites, 
>> have them currently installed on two Rivs, had them on another bike and, as 
>> Laing mentioned, pulled them off before I sold it. 
>>
>> I love that there is a small machine shop in Northern California making 
>> weird bike parts and I am happy to support them. They are certainly 
>> expensive. A lot of people will tell you they're downright ugly, I won't go 
>> that far. I do like the look of the cantis and the "canti lever" brake 
>> levers. Dig their barrel adjusters, too. 
>>
>> I believe you can purchase replacement parts for all of their brakes, 
>> springs, spring adjusters, pivots, o-rings, etc. 
>>
>> In the past I've sold a set of their thumb shifter mounts and one set of 
>> touring cantilevers and while I don't have an immediate need or use for 
>> those I do regret it. 
>>
>> For more about Paul Comp check out their YouTube channel, lots of vids 
>> about their shop, installation how-to videos and other funky stuff! 
>>
>> This video <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1pIGXyf6Nw> is about the 
>> coolant recycling system that Paul installed in the shop which I found 
>> quite interesting. 
>> On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 3:56:00 PM UTC-4 J J wrote:
>>
>>> Echoing Bill and Joe, it depends on which criteria are important in your 
>>> value calculation for a particular set of circumstances. 
>>>
>>> I went to great lengths to find (out of production but soon to be back 
>>> in production) Paul brakes for one of our bikes. It felt appropriate and 
>>> justifiable, even “necessary”. And they’re great. No regrets. 
>>>
>>> In contrast, I was going to install a new set of Paul cantis on another 
>>> bike but instead, I sold them, telling myself that my relatively cheap 
>>> Shimano cantis were just fine, and that the Pauls weren’t worth it. So I 
>>> sold the Paul cantis at a slight loss to lighten my parts hoard. It’s 
>>> really subjective. 
>>>
>>> I chuckle at myself when I consider that I have no problem paying 
>>> serious money for Rivendell frames (they’re worth it!) yet I sometimes balk 
>>> heavily at the cost of components. After all, why should I spend, for 
>>> example, $xxx on a fancy rear derailer when I can buy a $25 Altus that 
>>> works “98 to 100 percent” as well as the fancier ones, according to Grant? 
>>> Well, I got a fancy RD for the same bike on which I retained the cheaper 
>>> brakes. 
>>>
>>> Ultimately I don’t have a consistent algorithm or a set decision tree to 
>>> figure these choices out. The Pauls were more than worth it for one Riv, 
>>> but for another Riv they didn’t seem to be. Kinda whacky of me, and 
>>> amusing. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 2:16:00 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Worth it" is of course subjective but I have these brakes on my 
>>>> Rivendell Custom and they're worth it to me. The feel and power is notably 
>>>> superior to the Shimano v-brakes I started with, the qr function on the 
>>>> arms is miles better, the adjusting springs are very easy to fiddle with, 
>>>> the very slim clamp on the levers stays out of the way of hands and 
>>>> shifters, I love the slightly industrial 

[RBW] Re: Bikes For Sale: Craigslist, ebay, etc. Fall 2022 edition

[Joe Bernard]

Yeah that AR looks like the 52cm I had, which also had the dreaded owner's 
name on the toptube..not the most brilliant idea in early Rivland. $3000 is 
uh optimistic, there's a 50cm on Ebay that started there and is now 
down to $2000 with no takers. They're nice production bikes with beautiful 
paint and graphics but I think the low-ish bar heights available with them 
are a struggle for current Riv Riders. 

On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 11:46:48 AM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:

> First one is a Waterford-built All-rounder. Same color as mine. Looks like 
> it wasn't ridden so much
>
> I don't have a FB account but I downloaded the screen shot and saw the 531 
> decal ...and the lugs. $3000.00. Too much? Someone might want to cover over 
> owner's initials , which was an option at the time. Nice bike. 26" wheels? 
> Looks like a sub 56cm size but just guessing
>
> Haven't ridden mine much lately , but I'm loath to part with it.
>
> On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 11:25:06 AM UTC-5 JAS wrote:
>
>> SAM $2400
>> 51m
>> Portland 
>>
>> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-rivendell-bicycle-works-sam/7536289932.html
>>
>> Romulus $1550
>> 57cm
>> Seattle
>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/est/bik/7530803930.html
>>
>> Bleriot  $1950
>> 55 cm
>> Seattle
>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/7518207928.html
>>
>> On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 6:30:07 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Rivendell Touring
>>> No size listed
>>> $3,000 
>>> Lexington, KY 
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/399785835688755/?hoisted=false=search_code=null_story_type=post
>>>
>>> [image: 307812527_5541503645919163_3580851272735801391_n.jpg]
>>>
>>> Platypus
>>> 60cm
>>> $3,000
>>> Grand Rapids, MI
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1302632586938953/?hoisted=false=search_code=null_story_type=post
>>>
>>> [image: 302796712_4687769534658839_715238091324189516_n.jpg]
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Are Paul brakes worth the money?

[Joe Bernard]

"Worth it" is of course subjective but I have these brakes on my Rivendell 
Custom and they're worth it to me. The feel and power is notably superior 
to the Shimano v-brakes I started with, the qr function on the arms is 
miles better, the adjusting springs are very easy to fiddle with, the very 
slim clamp on the levers stays out of the way of hands and shifters, I love 
the slightly industrial look (some folks aren't into it), and they're made 
95 miles from where I'm typing right now. Yes it's a chunk of cash but 
they're on a very nice bike I ride almost every day. I'm glad I did it. 

Joe Bernard 

On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 10:52:35 AM UTC-7 Bill Fulford wrote:

> I was recently gifted $500 to Rivendell. My plan was to upgrade my 2007 
> Atlantis with Paul brakes and levers. I placed the order only to read later 
> that the brakes are sold per wheel. That’s  more than I wanted to spend. So 
> before I call Rivendell tomorrow morning to cancel I’m wondering how folks 
> feel about these brakes? I would be ordering the linear pull brake with 
> love levers. Are they worth it?

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Re: [RBW] Do you Rapid Rise? (Share pics and thoughts)

[Joe Bernard]

To be clear I see Riv's point in making one, it's a different thing from 
what's currently available so they'll have that niche. I just don't want 
one. 

On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 4:20:30 PM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:

> I’m with Joe on this one. It’s a lot of work on something that’s already 
> been rejected by riders… repeatedly. 
>
> Eric 
>
>
> On Saturday, September 24, 2022, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> My extremely "grouchy old man" feedback is the one RapidRise I acquired 
>> was a pain in the patooty to install and I didn't find any benefit to the 
>> reverse shifting. In this reporter's opinion! ‍♂️
>>
>> Joe "I don't mind if others like them" Bernard 
>>
>> On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 1:15:10 PM UTC-7 John Dewey wrote:
>>
>>> Last M760 RR data point — looking back at my old bike pix, at least one 
>>> of my reverse-normal M760s has been hard-at-work for 9 years. Was mounted 
>>> in 2013 for sure, maybe just a bit earlier. 
>>>
>>> Jock Dewey
>>> On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 12:00:22 PM UTC-7 John Dewey wrote:
>>>
>>>> Eric, et. al.:
>>>>
>>>> I stumbled upon Shimano RR M760 quite a few years ago and snatched a 
>>>> bunch of 'em up. Enough to mount on four 'daily' riders and a few more to 
>>>> replace any that stop working or suffer trauma, etc.. Shift levers are all 
>>>> Dura-Ace 9 speed mounted on DT.
>>>>
>>>> All of them are now as sharp and precise as the day they were attached. 
>>>> I don't ride gravel very often, my bikes are primarily built for the 
>>>> road—so there is that. But for every-day riding on the road, I can't image 
>>>> that giant spring softening up. And shifting up the cassette, especially 
>>>> under load, is as smooth and quiet and 'effortless' as can be. I know 
>>>> that's Grant's primary reasoning, because he told me.
>>>>
>>>> The one caveat—if there is one—is that if you suffer just a bit of 
>>>> dyslexia as I do (a left/right kind of dys) my experience tells me I can't 
>>>> go back and forth from 'low normal' to 'normal'. Makes me crazy. If you 
>>>> can 
>>>> always remember left from right, you'll probably have no problems. 
>>>>
>>>> With a bit of compulsive polishing, these M760s are gorgeous units and 
>>>> will look perfectly 'at home' on any bike no matter the builder: 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/146626768@N06/48660635053/in/dateposted-public/
>>>>
>>>> Another probably unnecessary/stupid maneuver I habitually follow is 
>>>> that when I park a bike at ride's end, I move the chain up the cassette to 
>>>> relax the spring. Don't know if this really matters or not, but it makes 
>>>> some sense to me.
>>>>
>>>> BEST / Jock Dewey / San Anselmo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 1:09:31 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Path Less Pedaled just did an entire video episode on Rapid Rise/Low 
>>>>> Normal derailleurs that’s definitely worth watching.
>>>>>
>>>>> One point that came up in the comments from viewers is that shifting 
>>>>> to lower gears is done entirely through the strength of the spring in the 
>>>>> derailleur. Move the shifter to release more cable, and the *spring* 
>>>>> pushes 
>>>>> the chain onto a larger cog. In practice, according to people who had 
>>>>> used 
>>>>> RR/LN extensively, was that normal stuff that happens to derailleurs 
>>>>> (they 
>>>>> get dirty or muddy, or need lubrication) makes that spring’s job harder, 
>>>>> with the result that it doesn’t work as well. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Shifting to a larger cog also benefits from a slight decrease in 
>>>>> pedaling pressure while shifting (again, to make the spring’s job 
>>>>> easier). 
>>>>> That’s not always possible when you’re grinding up a steep incline and 
>>>>> need 
>>>>> to grab a lower gear. This may be part of the reason why RR/LN was phased 
>>>>> out … along with the fact that it was “different” in an industry that 
>>>>> mostly prizes conformity.
>>>>>
>>>>> Full disclosure: I’ve never used a RR/LN setup, although I do ride 
>

Re: [RBW] Do you Rapid Rise? (Share pics and thoughts)

[Joe Bernard]

My extremely "grouchy old man" feedback is the one RapidRise I acquired was 
a pain in the patooty to install and I didn't find any benefit to the 
reverse shifting. In this reporter's opinion! ‍♂️

Joe "I don't mind if others like them" Bernard 

On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 1:15:10 PM UTC-7 John Dewey wrote:

> Last M760 RR data point — looking back at my old bike pix, at least one of 
> my reverse-normal M760s has been hard-at-work for 9 years. Was mounted in 
> 2013 for sure, maybe just a bit earlier. 
>
> Jock Dewey
> On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 12:00:22 PM UTC-7 John Dewey wrote:
>
>> Eric, et. al.:
>>
>> I stumbled upon Shimano RR M760 quite a few years ago and snatched a 
>> bunch of 'em up. Enough to mount on four 'daily' riders and a few more to 
>> replace any that stop working or suffer trauma, etc.. Shift levers are all 
>> Dura-Ace 9 speed mounted on DT.
>>
>> All of them are now as sharp and precise as the day they were attached. I 
>> don't ride gravel very often, my bikes are primarily built for the road—so 
>> there is that. But for every-day riding on the road, I can't image that 
>> giant spring softening up. And shifting up the cassette, especially under 
>> load, is as smooth and quiet and 'effortless' as can be. I know that's 
>> Grant's primary reasoning, because he told me.
>>
>> The one caveat—if there is one—is that if you suffer just a bit of 
>> dyslexia as I do (a left/right kind of dys) my experience tells me I can't 
>> go back and forth from 'low normal' to 'normal'. Makes me crazy. If you can 
>> always remember left from right, you'll probably have no problems. 
>>
>> With a bit of compulsive polishing, these M760s are gorgeous units and 
>> will look perfectly 'at home' on any bike no matter the builder: 
>>
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/146626768@N06/48660635053/in/dateposted-public/
>>
>> Another probably unnecessary/stupid maneuver I habitually follow is that 
>> when I park a bike at ride's end, I move the chain up the cassette to relax 
>> the spring. Don't know if this really matters or not, but it makes some 
>> sense to me.
>>
>> BEST / Jock Dewey / San Anselmo
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 1:09:31 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>>
>>> Path Less Pedaled just did an entire video episode on Rapid Rise/Low 
>>> Normal derailleurs that’s definitely worth watching.
>>>
>>> One point that came up in the comments from viewers is that shifting to 
>>> lower gears is done entirely through the strength of the spring in the 
>>> derailleur. Move the shifter to release more cable, and the *spring* pushes 
>>> the chain onto a larger cog. In practice, according to people who had used 
>>> RR/LN extensively, was that normal stuff that happens to derailleurs (they 
>>> get dirty or muddy, or need lubrication) makes that spring’s job harder, 
>>> with the result that it doesn’t work as well. 
>>>
>>> Shifting to a larger cog also benefits from a slight decrease in 
>>> pedaling pressure while shifting (again, to make the spring’s job easier). 
>>> That’s not always possible when you’re grinding up a steep incline and need 
>>> to grab a lower gear. This may be part of the reason why RR/LN was phased 
>>> out … along with the fact that it was “different” in an industry that 
>>> mostly prizes conformity.
>>>
>>> Full disclosure: I’ve never used a RR/LN setup, although I do ride 
>>> almost exclusively with friction-shifting downtube levers.
>>>
>>> --Eric Norris
>>> campyo...@me.com
>>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>>>
>>> On Aug 22, 2022, at 12:46 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>>
>>> Do you run a Rapid Rise derailer? Do you like it? Have you had one 
>>> before and just didn't get it? What's the *deal?*
>>>
>>> With all the commotion over Rivendell's plan to build their own 
>>> production low-normal derailer I figured I'd try one out for myself. The 
>>> first one I picked up was an XTR RD-M951 which I suspected had a bent 
>>> pulley cage, some of you may remember I posted about this mech a few weeks 
>>> ago. 
>>>
>>> I found this Nexave on eBay for $17 so figured I'd give it a shot. This 
>>> model, to my mind, is *the* classic rapid rise derailer. Silver, shiny, 
>>> long cage, external guide pulley, pivoting cable guide for a short bit of 
>>> housing over the rear dropout. Grant mentioned that this was his favorite 
>>> model, cosmetically. I like it, too. 
>>>
>>> So far I haven't put many miles on it but no complaints. I like getting 
>>> into the easier gears with a light touch. I'm running the derailer on my 
>>> Appaloosa with a Silver 38/24 crank and a 9-speed 11-36 cassette. It's 
>>> wired up to the original Suntour Power Thumb shifters which are mounted in 
>>> the reversed, under-hand style also known as the Riv-versed or Rivendell 
>>> brifter style. 
>>>
>>> With the reverse-mounted shifters I did like pushing the lever away from 
>>> me to get an easier gear with a high-normal derailer 

[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto RBW51 rack, needs longer front struts $120 shipped

[Joe Bernard]

All the way sold, sorry! 

On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 6:51:45 PM UTC-7 JAS wrote:

> Darn it!  I missed the opportunity and sure would like one of these.  Joe, 
> if the sale falls through, let me know.
>
> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 4:30:04 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> SOLD, pending and whatnot and such as. 
>>
>> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 3:31:24 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Very good condition, the bag that rested on it didn't cause any wear and 
>>> apparently I never leaned it on a wall..kickstands are good!
>>>
>>> The rear struts are cut to 36cm. The fronts got swapped to the used 33R 
>>> I just bought and that rack's shorties are now on the RBW51 as place 
>>> holders, you'll need new struts or a diving board there. 
>>>
>>> $120 shipped  
>>>
>>> Thanks, 
>>> Joe Bernard 
>>> joeremi62 gmail com
>>> text 415 786 4623 <(415)%20786-4623>
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto RBW51 rack, needs longer front struts $120 shipped

[Joe Bernard]

SOLD, pending and whatnot and such as. 

On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 3:31:24 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Very good condition, the bag that rested on it didn't cause any wear and 
> apparently I never leaned it on a wall..kickstands are good!
>
> The rear struts are cut to 36cm. The fronts got swapped to the used 33R I 
> just bought and that rack's shorties are now on the RBW51 as place holders, 
> you'll need new struts or a diving board there. 
>
> $120 shipped  
>
> Thanks, 
> Joe Bernard 
> joeremi62 gmail com
> text 415 786 4623 <(415)%20786-4623>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini 61 on Craigslist (not mine)

[Joe Bernard]

st 5 shops within 
>>> walking distance, a few blocks from where I live. I don’t want shops to use 
>>> my bikes for training mechanics. It’s too unreliable. On top of that, the 
>>> local shops’ labor rates are not less than Rivendell’s rates, and in my 
>>> area, they are often *more*, adding insult to injury. For me it’s a 
>>> no-brainer to pay Rivendell to do the work, pay extra for repacking, and so 
>>> on. I don’t mean to rag on LBSs, though. I’m just sharing my actual 
>>> experiences and thoughts. 
>>>
>>> I suppose one good outcome of these crappy experiences is that it’s 
>>> compelled me to invest in tools and put in time to learn skills. This forum 
>>> has been a great educator, too. So thanks, forum!! I’m sorry this veered a 
>>> lot from the original post topic. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 11:27:04 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't even know where my LBS is, I work on my own bikes. I assume Riv 
>>>> is still prepping their frames for an extra fee, I would pay it. 
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 8:22:57 AM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 8:15 AM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> To be clear cuz I'm the OP and this is going to reflect on me, I'm 
>>>>>> not sad about anything. My concern is we're going to end up with 
>>>>>> unprepped 
>>>>>> frames on the used market that unsuspecting buyers won't know need to be 
>>>>>> prepped. It wasn't the main point of my post, which is that there's a 
>>>>>> new 
>>>>>> Roadini frame out there people can buy. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm surprised at the number of people here who can't trust their LBS 
>>>>> to prep a frame. Is it because the modern CF/AL frames don't need 
>>>>> prepping? 
>>>>> I certainly don't have a frame alignment table or a derailleur hanger 
>>>>> straightener, much less the tool required to prep a headtube prior to 
>>>>> installing headset and fork. It's been years since I carried a headset 
>>>>> wrench while touring as well. But I recently had trouble with one of my 
>>>>> kids' bikes not indexing correctly no matter what I did. Took it to the 
>>>>> LBS 
>>>>> and they diagnosed it as a bent hanger. They fixed it and then decided 
>>>>> not 
>>>>> to charge me since their credit card machine was broken. 
>>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: Thank you Rivendell

[Joe Bernard]

I got one, too, and one for the "name the author" contest. I thought I'd 
answered wrong or they'd forgotten about the whole idea! Now what am I 
gonna buy... 樂

On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 5:09:28 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:

> Rivendell recently posed a question on Instagram with a $20 reward for 
> those who answered correctly. As a Bob Dylan fan I was able to answer 
> correctly and just received my reward! I ordered a mini-triangle, two rolls 
> of Newbaum tape and a 7 speed Jim cassette (11-36) to try on my Clem. I 
> will be going from 2x9 to 2x7. I am hoping the friction shifting will be 
> even better along with better chain lines. We shall see.
>
>
> Doug (Blowin' In the Wind)
> Athens, Ga
>

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[RBW] Re: Shipping / packing question

[Joe Bernard]

If it fits with the rack on I'd leave it, that structure provides some 
protection for the fork against crush damage. Put some foam or pipe 
insulation on the rails and you're good to go. 

On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 8:30:06 AM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:

> I'm about to pack my Atlantis to ship it home. I'm going to do it myself 
> but I'm wondering if I should remove the front nitto rack or ship it with 
> the rack installed.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Max
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Platy!

[Joe Bernard]

2-speed with Paul tensioner, I had a Cheviot set up that way. Super simple 
and fun, that's a nice bike! 

On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 7:32:24 PM UTC-7 Paul Choi wrote:

> Feels lighter more responsive then my previous Clem L. More like a 
> step-thru Sam. I need to give some thanks to Pastor Raymond who took the 
> parts off my Clem H and built this up for me. 
>
> Cheers,
>
> Paul
>
> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 4:39:59 PM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> I need to give it some more time before I get any ride impressions. I've 
>> only ridden it for a few miles so far. It's smooth, but my previous rides 
>> were mostly on either 20" wheeled folding bikes or my fixed gear with 28mm 
>> tires :)
>>
>> Joe, the brakes are Avid Shorty something, a great co-op find for me. 
>> Great power, easy set up, excellent modulation. Maybe the pinnacle of canti 
>> brakes, before V brakes and then discs took over.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 19, 2022 at 7:34 PM Leah Peterson  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The first one we’ve seen in real life! How did it ride for you? Too soon 
>>> to tell? It looks great in purple.
>>>
>> Leah
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Sep 19, 2022, at 7:31 PM, Eric Daume  wrote:
>>>
>>> I couldn’t call in sick, but the build went smoothly and I was able to 
>>> take a quick shake down ride this evening. Still to do are all of the 
>>> accessories: lights, fenders, kickstand, bag, etc. Those will probably take 
>>> as long as the build. 
>>>
>>> I was able to use canti brakes with a hanger fastened between the rear 
>>> rack mounts. Works fine!
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 19, 2022, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> Call in sick!
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 9:35:37 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>>>>
>>> It’s here. Unfortunately I’m in meetings all afternoon :(
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, September 15, 2022, Richard Rose  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> A Rosco in Ohio? Cool.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 15, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Eric Daume  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mine has reached IL on its way to OH.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> UPS says Monday, but maybe Saturday?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eric
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 7:56 AM Leah Peterson  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope Cyclery posted a Rosco box in their IG Stories. Maybe they’ll 
>>>>>>> show us the bike built up?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sep 12, 2022, at 10:17 AM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It would be nice to hear a ride report from someone who has ridden 
>>>>>>> both the lugged Platy and the new Rosco Platy. And, I can't wait to see 
>>>>>>> some build photos too!
>>>>>>> Doug
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 2:06:32 PM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I got my shipping invoice, so maybe it's coming? I have the parts 
>>>>>>>> all set out for it, though I'm still dithering on the handlebar.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Eric
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 11, 2022 at 12:52 PM Leah Peterson  
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Has anyone gotten and built up a Rosco Platy yet? I’m so excited 
>>>>>>>>> to see one. Riv said in this week’s newsletter that they have begun 
>>>>>>>>> shipping. Or maybe folks are picking them up from HQ. Hope so!
>>>>>>>>> L
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 7:25 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bo on the waiting. I got my custom quicker than this! 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 1:47:59 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Bell

[RBW] Re: help identify a small part and a source for it

[Joe Bernard]

Looks like the ridged washers that come on road caliper brakes. Sometimes 
you don't need them and they end up piling up at the shop, I imagine that's 
how they ended up on your bike. 

On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 7:35:07 PM UTC-7 J J wrote:

> [image: washers spacers knurled.JPG]
>
> I’ve tried in vain to find these locally. I ask for “funky textured lock 
> washers/spacers” but folks in local shops look at me funny even when I show 
> them the attached pic. So my terminology is clearly technically incorrect! 
> It’s a mystery. Riv used many of them on this Glorius build. I’d very much 
> appreciate help knowing what they’re called and where I can procure some. 
> They do their job very well. Thanks!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: It's my custom

[Joe Bernard]

It's my custom..soon with new Brooks bags! Thanks Valerie! 

On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 6:12:32 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Haha, you wouldn't believe how often I'm asked if I'm going to keep this 
> one a while. Have I bought and sold a lot of bikes?? 藍 Yes, this one stays 
> til I'm too old and creaky to pedal it, it's custom just for me! 
>
> Sure, I'll take a look at those bags. I'm not sure if brown will work for 
> me but they sure are nice. Let's see! 
>
> joeremi62 gmail com
> text 415 786 4623 <(415)%20786-4623>
>
>
> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 5:11:39 PM UTC-7 Valerie Yates wrote:
>
>> Looks great! Very functional and comfortable. Maybe you will keep this 
>> one a while? 
>>
>> Re your WTB, I have a set of brown Brooks roll-up panniers that I 
>> purchased from someone in this group some years ago. I used them for 
>> groceries and other shopping. Handy because they could be discreetly 
>> rolled up when not in use. But they didn’t work great with the top rack on 
>> my grocery bike so I moved on to metal basket style panniers. I can dig 
>> them up and take a picture. Happy to sell for $50, including shipping. 
>> Here’s a link with pics in black (mine are brown).  
>> https://www.amazon.com/Brooks-Brick-Roll-Up-Bicycle-Panniers/dp/B01MAVTVRQ
>>
>> Val in Boulder CO
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 5:39:08 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Which reminds me I need my stem caddy back. I either sold it recently or 
>>> lost it in the move and boy do I miss that thing. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 4:36:10 PM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've got an 11cm, tempted to get a 13.5 but boy are they spendy. And 
>>>> yes, incredibly nice. I will also add that they offer a perfect amount of 
>>>> rise for a stem caddy which pitches the top of the bag favorably towards 
>>>> the rider. 
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 5:17:35 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Did you nab one of the face-platers from the restock?"
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes indeed. I'd been thinking for a while that the reach with the 
>>>>> DirtDrop was a tad short and possibly causing my hand numbness so I 
>>>>> jumped 
>>>>> when the FacePlaters were restocked. They're pretty and pretty rare, get 
>>>>> em 
>>>>> while they got em! 
>>>>> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 4:59:37 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Looks great as always, Joe. Let us know how the stem swap works out 
>>>>>> for you. Did you nab one of the face-platers from the restock? 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 11:44:57 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh, a big difference cuz I think my 54.2 frame correlates to the 55 
>>>>>>> Rosco/Platys is they use 700c, I have 650b. That's the thing I'd change 
>>>>>>> if 
>>>>>>> I was designing my bike now, I think those big hoops on the Platy look 
>>>>>>> amazing and I kinda wish I had them. Although it would make it even 
>>>>>>> longer 
>>>>>>> and my bike is already HUGE!  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 8:27:57 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks James! 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think I can compare my custom to the original Platy as they were 
>>>>>>>> both in the design process at the same time. They're both 
>>>>>>>> road-oriented 
>>>>>>>> with v-brakes, I suspect the Platy is a little heavier-tubed because 
>>>>>>>> it was 
>>>>>>>> built to some imagined rider/stuff weight limit for a production model 
>>>>>>>> (one 
>>>>>>>> big benefit of custom). The geometry looks similar to me. The Platypus 
>>>>>>>> toptube is a bit lower, mine wasn't geared so much to be a true mixte, 
>>>>>>>> just 
>>>>>>>> lower than a diamond frame. I use a road fork, I think the Platy is 
>>>>>>>> beefier 
>>>>>>>> and has more tire clearance. Attached is the geo char

[RBW] Re: Roaduno substitute for a while...

[Joe Bernard]

Ooh, that's a neat idea, I'll send a PM for a couple. Mark is so smart! 

On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 12:29:19 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> One of the really nice details is the sexy curved seatstay bridge, with a 
> nice fender boss.  I learned from Mark Abele that the pro way to plug that 
> boss is with a "headless" setscrew.  
>
> Bridge plug | Set screw in the bridges is a good move for se… | Flickr 
> 
> Plugged | M5 x 0.8mm set screw plugs the fender boss without… | Flickr 
> 
>
> When I bought those stainless steel setscrews, they only came in a bag of 
> 50 from McMaster-Carr.  I have way more than I need.  If anybody wants some 
> of mine, I'm selling them for $1 apiece, shipped.  Let me know if you need 
> some.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 9:53:15 AM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Crust sure does nice work.  Interesting where they decided to put the 
>> break - further up the seat stay.  The break on most belt drive bikes that 
>> I've seen are at the dropout.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 9:26:31 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> This is the Flickr Album where I will post all my build photos.  There 
>>> are a few unboxing shots in there already.  
>>>
>>> Single Speed Rando | Flickr 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 6:21:23 AM UTC-7 Patch T wrote:
>>>
 As always, I very much looking forward to this Bill Lindsay build. 


 On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 1:14:16 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I had been searching for quite a while for a single speed that enabled 
> some derailer-less gear flexibility.  On one hand I searched for a 58cm 
> Quickbeam or SimpleONE.  On the other hand I was/am waiting on the 
> RoadUNO.  I was/am a huge fan of Rivendells rear dropouts with the angle 
> that allows a significant gear change while maintaining brake adjustment. 
>  
>
> In an absolutely perfect world, my Size Large singlespeed would also 
> have been 650B (for fat tires and no TCO).  While I'm sitting here in 
> fantasy-land, I also would have waved my magic wand to have the bike be 
> belt-compatible, and would allow brakes, but have a discreet way to NOT 
> run 
> brakes.  
>
> Over the last 18 months or so, I've been working with placeholders for 
> these things.  I bought a Crust Michigan Man right when they were 
> released 
> and set it up as a strictly 1-speed fixie in my office in Wayne County, 
> Michigan.  Will at Riv also has a Michigan Man.  I also managed to 
> acquire 
> a 58cm Quickbeam, and that is now in my garage as a 8-speed single speed. 
>  
> I slowly acquired some of the parts for a 650B custom, including a pair 
> of 
> Rivendell dropouts.  I even had preliminary conversations with a local 
> builder, and have a tentative spot on his enormous waiting list.  
>
> Then, totally by surprise, a new contender appeared.  Crust released a 
> new variant of their single speed Lightning Bolt.  It's 650B, with 
> clearance for 48mm tires and contemporary Randonneur geometry.  It's 
> belt-compatible and has removable cantilever posts and cable guides.  
> It's 
> almost exactly what my custom would have been except for the Riv-style 
> ends.  
>
> It's 2022, and the lesson we've all learned is that if the thing you 
> want is available, you buy it, because it may never be available again.  
> So, I went ahead and bought it, and the frame should arrive today.  I'm 
> pretty excited.  
>
> Whether or not my new Crust will get replaced by a RoadUNO next year 
> remains to be seen.  Will's email updates (plus simple geometry) make it 
> pretty clear to me that the RoadUNO will not have Riv ends.  It'll have 
> some other svelte track ends, so easy gear changes with a rear brake 
> won't 
> be part of the feature list, it seems.  I'm still paying very close 
> attention, but the itch is getting scratched today.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>


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[RBW] Re: It's my custom

[Joe Bernard]

Haha, you wouldn't believe how often I'm asked if I'm going to keep this 
one a while. Have I bought and sold a lot of bikes?? 藍 Yes, this one stays 
til I'm too old and creaky to pedal it, it's custom just for me! 

Sure, I'll take a look at those bags. I'm not sure if brown will work for 
me but they sure are nice. Let's see! 

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On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 5:11:39 PM UTC-7 Valerie Yates wrote:

> Looks great! Very functional and comfortable. Maybe you will keep this one 
> a while? 
>
> Re your WTB, I have a set of brown Brooks roll-up panniers that I 
> purchased from someone in this group some years ago. I used them for 
> groceries and other shopping. Handy because they could be discreetly 
> rolled up when not in use. But they didn’t work great with the top rack on 
> my grocery bike so I moved on to metal basket style panniers. I can dig 
> them up and take a picture. Happy to sell for $50, including shipping. 
> Here’s a link with pics in black (mine are brown).  
> https://www.amazon.com/Brooks-Brick-Roll-Up-Bicycle-Panniers/dp/B01MAVTVRQ
>
> Val in Boulder CO
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 5:39:08 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Which reminds me I need my stem caddy back. I either sold it recently or 
>> lost it in the move and boy do I miss that thing. 
>>
>> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 4:36:10 PM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've got an 11cm, tempted to get a 13.5 but boy are they spendy. And 
>>> yes, incredibly nice. I will also add that they offer a perfect amount of 
>>> rise for a stem caddy which pitches the top of the bag favorably towards 
>>> the rider. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 5:17:35 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Did you nab one of the face-platers from the restock?"
>>>>
>>>> Yes indeed. I'd been thinking for a while that the reach with the 
>>>> DirtDrop was a tad short and possibly causing my hand numbness so I jumped 
>>>> when the FacePlaters were restocked. They're pretty and pretty rare, get 
>>>> em 
>>>> while they got em! 
>>>> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 4:59:37 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Looks great as always, Joe. Let us know how the stem swap works out 
>>>>> for you. Did you nab one of the face-platers from the restock? 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 11:44:57 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, a big difference cuz I think my 54.2 frame correlates to the 55 
>>>>>> Rosco/Platys is they use 700c, I have 650b. That's the thing I'd change 
>>>>>> if 
>>>>>> I was designing my bike now, I think those big hoops on the Platy look 
>>>>>> amazing and I kinda wish I had them. Although it would make it even 
>>>>>> longer 
>>>>>> and my bike is already HUGE!  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 8:27:57 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks James! 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think I can compare my custom to the original Platy as they were 
>>>>>>> both in the design process at the same time. They're both road-oriented 
>>>>>>> with v-brakes, I suspect the Platy is a little heavier-tubed because it 
>>>>>>> was 
>>>>>>> built to some imagined rider/stuff weight limit for a production model 
>>>>>>> (one 
>>>>>>> big benefit of custom). The geometry looks similar to me. The Platypus 
>>>>>>> toptube is a bit lower, mine wasn't geared so much to be a true mixte, 
>>>>>>> just 
>>>>>>> lower than a diamond frame. I use a road fork, I think the Platy is 
>>>>>>> beefier 
>>>>>>> and has more tire clearance. Attached is the geo chart Grant sent to 
>>>>>>> Mark 
>>>>>>> Nobilette. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As for the Rosco version I'm afraid I just don't know. Sorry! 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 7:01:50 PM UTC-7 James wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sweet bike Joe.  Great color and design choice.  I'm curious, how 
>>>>>>>> do you think this bike differs from the Rosco Platty, aside from big 

[RBW] Re: It's my custom

[Joe Bernard]

Which reminds me I need my stem caddy back. I either sold it recently or 
lost it in the move and boy do I miss that thing. 

On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 4:36:10 PM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> I've got an 11cm, tempted to get a 13.5 but boy are they spendy. And yes, 
> incredibly nice. I will also add that they offer a perfect amount of rise 
> for a stem caddy which pitches the top of the bag favorably towards the 
> rider. 
>
> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 5:17:35 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> "Did you nab one of the face-platers from the restock?"
>>
>> Yes indeed. I'd been thinking for a while that the reach with the 
>> DirtDrop was a tad short and possibly causing my hand numbness so I jumped 
>> when the FacePlaters were restocked. They're pretty and pretty rare, get em 
>> while they got em! 
>> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 4:59:37 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Looks great as always, Joe. Let us know how the stem swap works out for 
>>> you. Did you nab one of the face-platers from the restock? 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 11:44:57 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh, a big difference cuz I think my 54.2 frame correlates to the 55 
>>>> Rosco/Platys is they use 700c, I have 650b. That's the thing I'd change if 
>>>> I was designing my bike now, I think those big hoops on the Platy look 
>>>> amazing and I kinda wish I had them. Although it would make it even longer 
>>>> and my bike is already HUGE!  
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 8:27:57 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks James! 
>>>>>
>>>>> I think I can compare my custom to the original Platy as they were 
>>>>> both in the design process at the same time. They're both road-oriented 
>>>>> with v-brakes, I suspect the Platy is a little heavier-tubed because it 
>>>>> was 
>>>>> built to some imagined rider/stuff weight limit for a production model 
>>>>> (one 
>>>>> big benefit of custom). The geometry looks similar to me. The Platypus 
>>>>> toptube is a bit lower, mine wasn't geared so much to be a true mixte, 
>>>>> just 
>>>>> lower than a diamond frame. I use a road fork, I think the Platy is 
>>>>> beefier 
>>>>> and has more tire clearance. Attached is the geo chart Grant sent to Mark 
>>>>> Nobilette. 
>>>>>
>>>>> As for the Rosco version I'm afraid I just don't know. Sorry! 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 7:01:50 PM UTC-7 James wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sweet bike Joe.  Great color and design choice.  I'm curious, how do 
>>>>>> you think this bike differs from the Rosco Platty, aside from big welds 
>>>>>> vs 
>>>>>> lugs?  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 2:52:37 PM UTC-4 Paul in Dallas 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Very very nice Joe!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's great to have a forum to share pics of our bikes, our 
>>>>>>> rides/adventures on them, upgrades to them and all that goes with all 
>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Like minded people get it but most of my family and friends just 
>>>>>>> roll their eyes when I start talking bikes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's part of the joy of it for me to stop and take pics and then 
>>>>>>> share with folks that understand.
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> A cool upgrade, added accessories or other changes on all you folks 
>>>>>>> bikes are fun to see and it gives me ideas to improve or enhance my own 
>>>>>>> bikes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Paul in Dallas 
>>>>>>> (With a crowded garage of 7 bikes last count)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Platy!

[Joe Bernard]

That's a nifty brake hanger solution! What brakes? They kinda remind me of 
Bruce Gordon and a couple others from the '90s whose names escape me now. 

On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 4:31:33 PM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:

> I couldn’t call in sick, but the build went smoothly and I was able to 
> take a quick shake down ride this evening. Still to do are all of the 
> accessories: lights, fenders, kickstand, bag, etc. Those will probably take 
> as long as the build. 
>
> I was able to use canti brakes with a hanger fastened between the rear 
> rack mounts. Works fine!
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Monday, September 19, 2022, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> Call in sick!
>>
>> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 9:35:37 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>>
> It’s here. Unfortunately I’m in meetings all afternoon :(
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 15, 2022, Richard Rose  wrote:
>>>
>>>> A Rosco in Ohio? Cool.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 15, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Eric Daume  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> Mine has reached IL on its way to OH.
>>>>
>>>> UPS says Monday, but maybe Saturday?
>>>>
>>>> Eric
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 7:56 AM Leah Peterson  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hope Cyclery posted a Rosco box in their IG Stories. Maybe they’ll show 
>>>>> us the bike built up?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 12, 2022, at 10:17 AM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It would be nice to hear a ride report from someone who has ridden 
>>>>> both the lugged Platy and the new Rosco Platy. And, I can't wait to see 
>>>>> some build photos too!
>>>>> Doug
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 2:06:32 PM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I got my shipping invoice, so maybe it's coming? I have the parts all 
>>>>>> set out for it, though I'm still dithering on the handlebar.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eric
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 11, 2022 at 12:52 PM Leah Peterson  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Has anyone gotten and built up a Rosco Platy yet? I’m so excited to 
>>>>>>> see one. Riv said in this week’s newsletter that they have begun 
>>>>>>> shipping. 
>>>>>>> Or maybe folks are picking them up from HQ. Hope so!
>>>>>>> L
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 7:25 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bo on the waiting. I got my custom quicker than this! 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 1:47:59 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle 
>>>>>>> Ding Ding! wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Eric, yes, so frustrating. The 2022 Platys were actually supposed 
>>>>>>>> to be here in May, then August, now October. And the Rosco Plats being 
>>>>>>>> delayed even though they are in the shop is so sad. If I had one on 
>>>>>>>> order 
>>>>>>>> and lived within a 12 hour drive of Walnut Creek, I’d spend Labor Day 
>>>>>>>> driving to get my bike. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It’s extra sad for those who live in certain parts of the country - 
>>>>>>>> winter is coming. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Leah
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 4:30 PM, Johnny Alien  
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They original target for these was May I think. I knew with the 
>>>>>>>> supply chain issues there would be problems and thats why I ultimately 
>>>>>>>> decided to go with a Clem L. A decision I have been very happy with. 
>>>>>>>> Not 
>>>>>>>> because the bikes got majorly delayed but because I love my Clem.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 3:59:40 PM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From this week's em

Re: [RBW] FS, non Rivendell but fine steel steeds

[Joe Bernard]

Oh for Pete's sake it's steel, too. Ok my memory of what Seven Cycles was 
22 years ago is completely useless and I shouldn't be posting on Mondays. 
Clearly! 臘

On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 4:14:50 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> This one is not sloped. It does have a long top tube.
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 19, 2022, at 7:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> Hi Richard, 
>
>
> The Seven is probably an incorrect seattube size, those usually (always?) 
> came with a steeply sloped toptube, so 58cm ETT is probably closer to a 
> 52-53cm actual ST. Also it's titanium, I owned one for a while that was too 
> small but hoo boy was that a nice ride! 
>
> Joe Bernard aka @rideymcbiker on IG
>
> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 3:47:22 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Note: not certain of the exact accuracy of the dimensions given. For 
>> instance; the Weigle is 55.5 square, center to center by my measure. Happy 
>> to double check anything.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 19, 2022, at 6:40 PM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>>
>> I thought this might be frowned on but I saw the vintage Gitane for sale 
>> post so here goes.
>>
>> A riding buddy of mine passed away almost two years ago and left his 
>> adult daughters with his stable of bikes to sell. I have the bikes and am 
>> trying to help them out as they are not local and just are not able to deal 
>> with it. I will simply list the bikes here with sizes. If anything appeals 
>> to you lets chat. I have a lot of pics & some historical perspectives to 
>> share. Here are the bikes.
>> 1975 California Masi (sold)
>> 1984 Eddy Merckx Professional, lugged steel and fully pantographed 
>> Campagnolo. $1,500.00. Beautiful restoration by Peter Weigle.
>> 2000 Custom Seven Axiom, tigged steel, full Campagnolo 10 speed group and 
>> shop built wheels. $2,500.00. Spotless, like new condition.
>> 2015(?) Custom Mark Nobillette fillet brazed with mixed Shimano parts (10 
>> speed) and shop built wheels. Barely ridden bicycle.
>> And finally, a bike I am hesitant to mention because I want it so bad. 
>> Date unknown J.P. Weigle custom, perfect and repainted at some point by 
>> Peter. Gorgeous lugs and paint.  Full Campagnolo Record 10 speed (some 
>> carbon) and shop built wheels with White Industries hubs. $3,500.00.
>> All prices are suggested and negotiable. Packing is $100.00 per bike by 
>> local bike shop. They did a great job on the Masi. It arrived safely in 
>> California, from Toledo, Ohio. Shipping via Bikeflights with extra 
>> insurance was $185.00.
>> Please do contact me off list if any of these interest you. I will not 
>> try to post all of the pics here. I will follow this post up with a single 
>> pic of a geometry chart. Most are 57-58 size range, the Weigle is slightly 
>> smaller at 55.5 square c/c. I have ridden each bike and they are really 
>> good.
>> Thanks for your consideration.
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Re: [RBW] FS, non Rivendell but fine steel steeds

[Joe Bernard]

Mm, correction, I should have Googled first instead of relying on memory. I 
see non-steep-toptube Axioms out there. Never mind! ‍♂️

On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 4:08:42 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Hi Richard, 
>
> The Seven is probably an incorrect seattube size, those usually (always?) 
> came with a steeply sloped toptube, so 58cm ETT is probably closer to a 
> 52-53cm actual ST. Also it's titanium, I owned one for a while that was too 
> small but hoo boy was that a nice ride! 
>
> Joe Bernard aka @rideymcbiker on IG
>
> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 3:47:22 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Note: not certain of the exact accuracy of the dimensions given. For 
>> instance; the Weigle is 55.5 square, center to center by my measure. Happy 
>> to double check anything.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 19, 2022, at 6:40 PM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>>
>> I thought this might be frowned on but I saw the vintage Gitane for sale 
>> post so here goes.
>>
>> A riding buddy of mine passed away almost two years ago and left his 
>> adult daughters with his stable of bikes to sell. I have the bikes and am 
>> trying to help them out as they are not local and just are not able to deal 
>> with it. I will simply list the bikes here with sizes. If anything appeals 
>> to you lets chat. I have a lot of pics & some historical perspectives to 
>> share. Here are the bikes.
>> 1975 California Masi (sold)
>> 1984 Eddy Merckx Professional, lugged steel and fully pantographed 
>> Campagnolo. $1,500.00. Beautiful restoration by Peter Weigle.
>> 2000 Custom Seven Axiom, tigged steel, full Campagnolo 10 speed group and 
>> shop built wheels. $2,500.00. Spotless, like new condition.
>> 2015(?) Custom Mark Nobillette fillet brazed with mixed Shimano parts (10 
>> speed) and shop built wheels. Barely ridden bicycle.
>> And finally, a bike I am hesitant to mention because I want it so bad. 
>> Date unknown J.P. Weigle custom, perfect and repainted at some point by 
>> Peter. Gorgeous lugs and paint.  Full Campagnolo Record 10 speed (some 
>> carbon) and shop built wheels with White Industries hubs. $3,500.00.
>> All prices are suggested and negotiable. Packing is $100.00 per bike by 
>> local bike shop. They did a great job on the Masi. It arrived safely in 
>> California, from Toledo, Ohio. Shipping via Bikeflights with extra 
>> insurance was $185.00.
>> Please do contact me off list if any of these interest you. I will not 
>> try to post all of the pics here. I will follow this post up with a single 
>> pic of a geometry chart. Most are 57-58 size range, the Weigle is slightly 
>> smaller at 55.5 square c/c. I have ridden each bike and they are really 
>> good.
>> Thanks for your consideration.
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