Re: [RBW] The Cub House's Los Angeles Invitational Ride - May 18

[Tony Lockhart]

Love all these photos. Thanks to all for sharing and posting routes. Might 
just do the triple scoop in June.

On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 6:09:54 PM UTC-7 Matthew Miller wrote:

> Few more photos to share from the ride. Did Single w/cherry on top plus a 
> little side quest on a Susie. Was a super fun event with great vibes all 
> around.
>
> @Armand so nice to meet you! Attached a screenshot from a great photo Blue 
> Lug crew snapped of u :)
>
>

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Re: [RBW] The Cub House's Los Angeles Invitational Ride - May 18

[Tony Lockhart]

Well done, Neale!

I want down to check out festivities on Sunday. Lots good vibes. 

Congrats on finishing the triple scoop. You’re a beast. ☺️
On Monday, May 20, 2024 at 9:30:36 AM UTC-7 Neale S. wrote:

> Ted - it was the Rincon Red Box road the entire way. Puts you out on 39 a 
> little above the reservoir. My first time doing anything in that area. It 
> was tough but none of the grade or surfaces were unreasonable - just long 
> and a lot of climbing. 
>
> On Sunday, May 19, 2024 at 5:44:39 PM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> On May 19, 2024, at 7:29 PM, Neale S.  wrote:
>>
>>
>> I had a blast! Did the triple scoop and it was a beast, took me all day. 
>> The aid station at the top of the single scoop was a mountaintop party. I 
>> saw Armand and a few other Riv riders. Lots of other cool bikes, and plenty 
>> of good vibes. 
>>
>>
>> Wow, I had no idea there were trails connecting Mt Wilson and Glendora. 
>> That looks like an amazing (ly difficult) ride!
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee, WI USA
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: The Cub House's Los Angeles Invitational Ride - May 18

[Tony Lockhart]

@Neale & Armand:How did it go today? How are those legs feeling? Was 
hoping to be Riv's unofficial Paparazzi at rollout this morning, but ended 
up doing some beach camping instead. When I got back into town this 
afternoon, I drove by the Cub House and saw cyclists everywhere with 
Pizzanista boxes. Guessing you guys had a blast.

I'm gonna swing by tomorrow for the swap meet and car show. Hoping to score 
a derailer and a patina'd bell...maybe talk to someone who can give me tips 
on rack building and brazing. Will post up a few bike culture pics to 
encourage Ted to move to the west coast.  ;)


On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 8:17:53 PM UTC-7 tob...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'll be visiting from Seattle to attend the Sunday event, as well as pick 
> up my Atlantis that I bought from a fellow list member. And if there's 
> anyone on here who's driving from the OC area to Pasadena for Saturday's 
> ride, I'd love to tag along! I imagine it's a long shot, but I'd love to do 
> some riding while i'm there and the single scoop would be the perfect 
> excuse.
>
> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 6:38:54 PM UTC-7 Dorothy C wrote:
>
>> Just realized it’s next weekend, but my reservation about its being too 
>> long a ride still stands
>>
>> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 6:58:59 AM UTC-7 Dorothy C wrote:
>>
>>> It’s too far for me, and I have early Mother’s day plans with my son and 
>>> his wife, but have fun
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:27:05 PM UTC-7 in...@brentknepper.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Armand, you gotta do it on the platy! now that you've finished building 
>>>> it up, what a perfect chance to get some paint chips from the triple scoop
>>>>
>>>> hope you can share some of the experience on here for us poor souls 
>>>> unable to get out there for the weekend
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:50:10 PM UTC-5 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> @Brian -- Haha, if by double scoop, you mean to swing by Jones' coffee 
>>>>> for some Fosselman's ice cream, I'm with you brother!!  (:
>>>>>
>>>>> @Neale -- I'll definitely be there on Sunday, and intermittently on 
>>>>> Saturday (as time permits). Kinda want to buy a Cub House hoodie, so 
>>>>> this'll be the perfect excuse to stop by. Keep me posted if you do the 
>>>>> basket ridecurrently trying to schedule childcare so I can attend.  
>>>>> /tony-crosses-fingers 
>>>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 10:10:59 AM UTC-7 Neale S. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I did the double scoop last year on my Atlantis! Would love to see 
>>>>>> all of you there again next weekend. The vibe is usually impeccable. 
>>>>>> Also 
>>>>>> there's a special Thursday-night basket ride with the Blue Lug folks, 
>>>>>> which 
>>>>>> should be a good time. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 9:09:24 AM UTC-7 Brian Cunningham wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Armand is not getting me to sign up for the triple scoop. Even the 
>>>>>>> single scoop option sounds brutal enough to me, with 4100 ft elevation 
>>>>>>> gain 
>>>>>>> over 27 miles, but Tony, I'll suffer through it with you if you want to 
>>>>>>> try 
>>>>>>> the single scoop!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 8:07:01 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 7:28:41 PM UTC-5 kiziria...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This will be a fun weekend put on by the Cub House bicycle/plant 
>>>>>>>> shop in Pasadena, CA. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I really wish I was going to be there. Take and post photos!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ted Durant
>>>>>>>> Milwaukee WI USA 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>

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Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Spring 2024 Photos

[Tony Lockhart]

@Patrick -- Great beer in Arcata. Look up the Lost Coast Brewery if you're 
ever in the area.

On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 10:37:02 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Lovely photos. Thanks. Among many other very interesting aspects of all 
> the photos people post here is the variety of landscape. I had to Google 
> Arcata, but it seems that it's really Pacific Northwest with the wet and 
> cool and very, very green climate thereof.
>
>
> On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 9:27 PM jamin orrall  wrote:
>
>> Nice ride through the redwoods this morning in Arcata, CA
>>
>> [image: bike ride -8 Large.jpeg]
>> [image: bike ride -6 Large.jpeg][image: bike ride -7 Large.jpeg]
>> [image: bike ride -9 Large.jpeg]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: My Rivendell Platypus - A Forever Bike Build

[Tony Lockhart]

Congrats on dialing in that build, Armand. Wishing you many happy miles.

On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 12:18:57 PM UTC-7 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks for the kind words everyone!
>
> *@Leah* - I feel like evntually I'll switch the v-brakes. Right now 
> that will require a rack change, and I love the F32 front as it's all 
> brazed and very lightweight. I also utilize a Nitto NR-21 rear rack for a 
> saddle bar support for the longer day rides/touring mode which is not 
> v-brake compatible. Silver shifters are GREAT. The level of adjustability 
> in the housing direction, as well as the lever stops, allow for some 
> exception fine tuning of ergonomics and placement. The "thumb screw" that 
> adjusts the level of friction WILL back off if nothing is applied to the 
> threads. I dried and built up some layers of threadlocker on the screw 
> threads so it maintains the friction setting without backing out. 
>
> *@For those questioning the step-through frame*. This is my first! I went 
> for it because it's classy, smaller friends can ride the bike successfully, 
> provides a great carry handle, and although I have no shortage of mobility, 
> the step-through design is convenient for sure. It mostly gives a really 
> interesting look, especially for such a large frame. I do question the 
> additional pair of "mid-stays" in the rear triangle potentially stiffening 
> up the rear too much. However, the single bottle cage along with 
> compromised potential frame-bag space IS a huge caveat. I recently 
> discovered the Appaloosa has wider tire clearance than the Platypus. If the 
> right size lime-olive/purple frame popped up I just may switch all the 
> parts over. 
>
> *@Dan *- Congrats on your Appaloosa! The Velocity Quill's has a 21mm 
> internal width. It should handle your max tire size, ~2.25" just fine. 
> Anyone who told you otherwise is being silly. I plan on switching to some 
> Oracle ridge tires tomorrow, tubeless. Will let you know if I encounter any 
> issues, I don't anticipate any. Velocity's product page even says up to 
> 48mm for the "optimal" tire size. 
>
> *@Ryan *- Chainring attachment was homemade. It was the original 
> chainring on the pictured cranks that was worn to hell. Be sure to use an 
> aluminum one, not steel. Exceptionally easy to shape with nothing but a 
> vice, hacksaw, and some basic files. 
>
> *@Steve *- The next step with the canti-levers is to make some old school 
> brake boosters. Right now there is a TON of flex at the brake posts. Since 
> the Paul brakes have the tension spring forward, rather than rear, there is 
> a good ~8-10mm of brake post exposed between the brake caliper and the fork 
> blade. This can be a great opportunity to place a brake booster there. It 
> is about as simple of a part as it gets for me to model on the computer, 
> and send to some friends with fancy CNC machines and a block of aluminum. A 
> good time can be had styling it for a Rivendell. 
> On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 9:43:18 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> As Mathias, I too have no particular interest in step-throughs -- I've 
>> owned a number of them: mixtes, drop-frame Raleigh Sportses and clones -- 
>> and if I ever buy another one it will be a Clem to build up as a 
>> ride-around beater and not for the drop frame; but yes, that Platypus is 
>> very well coordinated and set up. Kudos.
>>
>> On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 8:57 PM Mathias Steiner  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm a little mystified by the whole step-through thing, so a Platypus 
>>> isn't high on my personal list.
>>>
>>> But THAT is a great build. You can tell a lot of thought and a lot of 
>>> love went into it. Beautiful.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 9:43:28 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>

 Aren’t the Platys the best? I’m so excited for you to have this beauty 
 and have it forever. I loved this model so much I ended up with a trio of 
 them. I regret nothing. My purple Gravel & Travel Platy is being built up 
 with rainbow and oil slick parts right now, and I’m anxious to see it. It 
 won’t be classy like your regal purple Platy, though. 

 Are you going to change to v brakes? How do you like the Silver 
 Shifters? I got those, too, and it will be my first bike with them. 

 I look forward to hearing more about your adventures on this new bike 
 and especially at the LA Invitational Ride! This bike can do almost 
 anything. 10,000 feet of climbing. Pssshhahhh. No problem. 
 Leah
 On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 8:07:12 PM UTC-4 kiziria...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> One more little clip of me testing the off-road capabilities. Riding a 
> narrower saddle to be able to get my thighs behind it would improve 
> steep, 
> technical descents quite a lot. All in all I do NOT miss descending 
> rough-ish dirt roads with a rigid bike. I hope it encounter them with 
> little frequency. 
>
>
> 

[RBW] Re: The Cub House's Los Angeles Invitational Ride - May 18

[Tony Lockhart]

@Brian -- Haha, if by double scoop, you mean to swing by Jones' coffee for 
some Fosselman's ice cream, I'm with you brother!!  (:

@Neale -- I'll definitely be there on Sunday, and intermittently on 
Saturday (as time permits). Kinda want to buy a Cub House hoodie, so 
this'll be the perfect excuse to stop by. Keep me posted if you do the 
basket ridecurrently trying to schedule childcare so I can attend.  
/tony-crosses-fingers 
On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 10:10:59 AM UTC-7 Neale S. wrote:

> I did the double scoop last year on my Atlantis! Would love to see all of 
> you there again next weekend. The vibe is usually impeccable. Also there's 
> a special Thursday-night basket ride with the Blue Lug folks, which should 
> be a good time. 
>
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 9:09:24 AM UTC-7 Brian Cunningham wrote:
>
>> Armand is not getting me to sign up for the triple scoop. Even the single 
>> scoop option sounds brutal enough to me, with 4100 ft elevation gain over 
>> 27 miles, but Tony, I'll suffer through it with you if you want to try the 
>> single scoop!
>>
>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 8:07:01 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 7:28:41 PM UTC-5 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> This will be a fun weekend put on by the Cub House bicycle/plant shop in 
>>> Pasadena, CA. 
>>>
>>>
>>> I really wish I was going to be there. Take and post photos!
>>>
>>> Ted Durant
>>> Milwaukee WI USA 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: The Cub House's Los Angeles Invitational Ride - May 18

[Tony Lockhart]

Gonna be an amazing weekend, especially since the people from Blue Lug are 
headed out. Armand, I don't have the legs/lungs to do 10K of climbing but 
I'll be cheering you on at rollout on Saturday. I hope you have a great 
ride.

I'm looking forward to the swap meet and car show. Fun times!

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 5:28:41 PM UTC-7 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:

> Greetings all! 
>
> This will be a fun weekend put on by the Cub House bicycle/plant shop in 
> Pasadena, CA. A mixed terrain ride May 18th with 27, 38, and 62 mile 
> options. Lots and lots of climbing for all of them. Bike and car show the 
> next day on Sunday! 
>
> Details Here: https://www.losangelesinvitational.com/ 
>
> Anyone else planning on going?
>
> I just signed up, will aim for the full route, 10,000ft and all. I'm 
> likely going to ride my hardtail mountain bike, as I'm trying to dial it in 
> for an upcoming international tour. However, I am considering putting some 
> knobbies on my Platypus and seeing how it handles such a demanding route. 
> Plus it's just always fun to pass people in kits on fancy drop-bar bikes 
> with an odd-ball bike. :) 
>
> [image: f75dc4c4-2759-4626-e323-539ba7231d5e.jpg]
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lugged Roadini and Charlie H Gallup

[Tony Lockhart]

Totally agree with you, Paul. I know I'm being picky, but the welds on my 
Roadini look pretty sloppy. Best believe it's going up for sale just so 
long as (1) the Lugged Leo has the same snappy ride quality and (2) it 
comes in blue. Not sure what compelled me to sell my Soma SanMarcos ten 
years ago, but this would be a great replacement. Keeping my fingers 
crossed.

Wouldn't it be great if it had the Red/White color scheme like the early 
Roadeos??  /wishful thinking

On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 7:31:24 PM UTC-7 Paul M wrote:

> I purchased a Sergio green Roadini from the last run of framesets. The tig 
> welding on this frame had some very poor welding beads. Definitely not what 
> I would expect on a $1300 frame. Maybe it was just this frame, but I feel 
> that it certainly could have been on the other Roadini's. That could 
> explain the move to a lugged Roadini frame. I sold it and bought a mustard 
> Homer (lugged :).
>
> On Sunday 5 May 2024 at 18:55:16 UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Good info Valerie!  As the reviewer you are noting, yep, I can totally 
>> see what you mean and I agree that what I was using it for wasn't quite 
>> right for what it was as a bike. My Hillborne is actually the perfect bike 
>> for what I was trying to do. 
>>
>> I'd bet the production version of the CHG will be less wiggly too, just 
>> visually going by the diameter of the top tube. I am sure it's still got 
>> nice springy flex, though. Seems like it's basically a longer wheelbase 
>> Homer, which seems absolutely perfect for a certain someone who appears to 
>> already know this bike is perfect for their club ride needs. 
>>
>> On Sunday 5 May 2024 at 16:33:07 UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> Valerie, I would love to hear every single thing you say about this 
>>> bike. Do you have sweepy bars? Drop bars? Have you ridden it on a club 
>>> ride? Do you find it to be quick and lively? What was the reason you bought 
>>> your Charlie? 
>>>
>>> I don’t know why the lugged Roadini, either. Anyone know?
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On May 5, 2024, at 7:00 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>>
>>> I just finished tweaking the set up on my 2022 Gallop demo - purple 
>>> with swoop tube, non-canti version. It rides like a dream. Super silky and 
>>> nimble. One mistake I had made was to install a heavy duty pannier rack on 
>>> it. It made the bike feel very noodley. I was tempted to sell it. I think 
>>> that's why this reviewer 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> complained about its flex. He shows it with the same rack I initially had 
>>> on it. 
>>>
>>>
>>> When I switched to a top rack, since it was only being used for my tail 
>>> light and lock, everything came together. Now, I love it for unloaded 
>>> riding on rough and hilly local roads. I have a huge smile whenever I am 
>>> riding it. So just chiming in with a note of caution in setting it up for 
>>> its intended purpose. It is not meant as a loaded touring bike and, even 
>>> without a load, a rack that is too stiff will impact its performance. 
>>>  Can't wait to see the set-ups on the production models. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 2:44:51 PM UTC-6 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 I'm curious about the whole lugged Roadini thing now. The Susie I 
 understand because its a cost/time of manufacture thing but in the case of 
 the Roadini it basically is just upping the cost. Unless the feeling is 
 that a lugged model will just sell better regardless of a higher price.

 On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 3:35:27 PM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:

> I saw the mention of the lugged Roadini. I am 99% certain I will order 
> one once they become available. 
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 3:17:24 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> "Your friend would be *more* thrilled if this bike was coming in July 
>> or something. Like, during riding season!"
>>
>> I concede that this would be better!
>>
>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 10:12:37 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Your friend would be *more* thrilled if this bike was coming in July 
>>> or something. Like, during riding season!
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 12:22:45 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Doug, 

 My understanding (which may be wrong, my memory for stuff I read a 
 while ago seems to have left me as I recently approached my 62nd 
 birthday) 
 is the CHG will also be lugged and probably not cheap. It will be 
 longer-stayed than the Roadini. It's coming September! I know at least 
 one 
 friend of ours who will be thrilled with this news. 

 Joe Bernard 

 On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 9:04:26 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:

> Grant's most recent Blahg mentioned the frame schedule and the 
> upcoming *Lugged *Roadini. It seems the Charlie H 

[RBW] Re: Northern Hemisphere Spring 2024 Photos

[Tony Lockhart]

Looks like heaven on your commute, Steve. I vote for more photos! Thanks 
for sharing.

On Saturday, May 4, 2024 at 7:34:03 PM UTC-7 stephen@googlemail.com 
wrote:

> Greetings from the UK - my Gus, laden with work gear and shopping, near 
> home on my increasingly green (and damp!) commute.
>
>
> [image: IMG20240503154428.jpg]
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Steve
> On Friday, March 22, 2024 at 3:56:33 PM UTC Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> Astronomically it's spring. Meterologically, here in SE Wisconsin, not so 
>> much. Short ride for a doctor visit this morning.
>>
>> [image: IMG_1953.jpeg]
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee, WI USA
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Spring 2024 Photos

[Tony Lockhart]

Lovely photos, Kim! Also, I really like the way you’ve outfitted your bike. 
Well done. 

On Monday, April 29, 2024 at 8:22:26 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:

> [image: 20240429_154708.jpg]
> Bachelor buttons. 
> On Monday, April 29, 2024 at 8:21:17 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>
>> [image: 20240429_163632.jpg][image: 20240429_163343.jpg]
>> Facing towards the town of Roy.
>> On Monday, April 29, 2024 at 8:15:35 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>>
>>> [image: 20240429_162816.jpg][image: 20240429_163520.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 29, 2024 at 8:13:26 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>>>
 I decided to walk and cross over the Nisqually River RR bride this 
 afternoon. I wanted to give myself a feeling of adventure once again. I 
 did 
 this last fall, when there was no pavement on the Yelm to Roy Trail. The 
 sun was out in between the light April showers. I took pictures with my 
 cell phone, grasping it firmly between my fingers so that it would not 
 fall 
 down between the railroad ties and into the river. 

 I quickly noticed as I was first heading across the bridge numerous 
 swallows were catching their food on the wing in an aerial  ballet.  When 
 I 
 walked back over, they were all gone. I must have scared them away.

 All in all, it was good feeling to come here again. One day in the 
 future, I will return when the trail becomes paved on the other side to 
 Roy. For now, I will keep a watchful eye for that to happen.   - Kim 
 Hetzel.
 [image: 20240429_162423.jpg]



 [image: 20240429_154708.jpg]

 On Monday, April 29, 2024 at 3:50:29 PM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:

> Indianapolis Canal rest. 
>
> [image: IMG_1264 Large.jpeg]
>
> On Monday, April 29, 2024 at 1:30:53 AM UTC-4 kw wrote:
>
>> Prospect Park, Brooklyn
>> [image: IMG_6546.jpg][image: IMG_6534.jpg]
>>
>>
>> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 8:38:37 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> Spring is here indeed. I took the long way home from Walnut Creek 
>>> to Berkeley.
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_9450.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 22, 2024, at 11:58 AM, Patch T  wrote:
>>>
>>> A very green spring in the East SF Bay.
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Patch in Oakland, CA
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell (Roadini) Geometry

[Tony Lockhart]

Hi Jay,
Sorry to hear that things aren't working at the moment. Have you thought 
about getting a professional bike fit? Or perhaps making various 
adjustments and documenting them over and extended period time?

FWIW, I'm also on a 57cm Roadini with 170mm S!lver Cranks, Nitto 65 seat 
post, and Brooks Professional saddle (86pbh, 5'9", longer legs shorter 
torso). When I called Riv last winter, Grant mentioned that I'd be happy on 
a 54 or 57 Leo depending on how much exposed seat post I'd be willing to 
live with. In practice, I find that I need to push the saddle all the way 
back in order to get comfy. I'm surprised to hear that you're pushing it 
forward, but I'm guessing not all Brooks' are made the same. Like Brent, 
I've also got a Hillborne (mine is a 56cm frame from 2009; same saddle, 
crank, seat post as my Leo) and I'm super comfy on it. Keep in mind that 
I've figured out what works for me during the past 14 years of ownership of 
the Sam, and the Leo is very similar in size and riding characteristics. 

I hope you get things dialed in.
Tony

On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 7:23:08 PM UTC-7 Jay wrote:

> I've been enjoying my first Riv, a Roadini, since getting it in February. 
>  Just one thing I feel like I'm struggling with, saddle set back.
>
> It's a size 57, I'm 5'11 and my PHB meant a 57 or 54 would work.  It came 
> with the setback seat post and that put me really far behind the BB 
> compared to my other bikes, so I got a zero offset post and that helped 
> things, but I'm still running my Brooks C17 pushed 3/4 of the way forward 
> on the rails.  Funny thing is my Salsa Fargo, which has a 73 degree ST 
> angle, vs. 72 on the Roadini, running the same saddle, and less set back 
> (also on a zero offset post).  I can feel the difference when I'm pedaling; 
> on the Fargo, my pedal stroke feels really good.  On the Roadini it feels 
> like the pedals are out in front and I'm over-using posterior chain in an 
> unnatural pedal stroke.  I measure setback on both bikes and the Fargo is 
> coming out as saddle 5.5cm setback from BB, 7cm on the Roadini.
>
> Anyone else notice this?  I may try pushing the saddle all the way forward 
> on the rails, then maybe set post up a bit, but wanted to ask this question 
> first.
>
> Thanks!
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendells in South Korea

[Tony Lockhart]

Good stuff, Marcus. I like your storytelling sensibilitiesKind of feels 
like I'm travelling while watching your films due to the variety of content 
you share. I also appreciate the bike checks you add.

Keep up the good work!

On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 5:17:19 PM UTC-7 probablyri...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hi
> Riv had been on my radar for a while but was a bit out of my price range 
> for a while. Before I bought a Riv, I built up my Velo Orange Polyvalent 
> just before covid and really got back in to riding bikes every day for 
> commuting, groceries and camping adventures. I bought a Clem during the 
> bike boom and realised what all the fuss is about with Rivendell bikes! 
> Since then I also bought a Toyo canti Romulus and a Waterford Atlantis, 
> both second hand. No Riv dealer here so I bought all from the USA with some 
> help from a friend who lives in LA.
>
> Considering a Susie now my wife has got into riding my Clem :)
>
> On Tuesday 23 April 2024 at 21:43:16 UTC+9 ezre...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Marcus,
>> I've been eating up all your videos ever since your channel was linked 
>> here before! How did you discover Rivendell?  Was it back home in England 
>> or there in South Korea? Is there a Riv dealer in Seoul? A bike shop visit 
>> would be an interesting video, especially if they have Riv or similar stuff.
>> Ezri
>>
>> On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 1:10:28 PM UTC-4 probablyri...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello fellow Rivendell enthusiasts,
>>>
>>> I'm Marcus, I live in Seoul, South Korea and am probably riding one of 
>>> my Rivs around. I recently started a Youtube channel and thought some 
>>> people on here might be interested in seeing it. I have some bike checks of 
>>> my Clem, Romulus, Atlantis and Velo Orange Polyvalent but it's mostly 
>>> showcasing what cycling in Korea is like. 
>>>
>>> I hope it's ok to post here and hope you enjoy!  Probably Riding - 
>>> YouTube 
>>>
>>> Thanks for all of your discussions on this group!
>>>
>>> Marcus
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Packing Cubes

[Tony Lockhart]

Haha, second reel was awesome. You just got another follower on IG! 

Back on topic..those packing cubes are great. I like to use them for 
multi-country travel trips because they organize contents well. I hadn’t 
thought about using these on the bike—great idea! Thanks for sharing. 

On Sunday, April 7, 2024 at 5:14:29 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> [image: IMG_6058.jpeg]
>
> I likely have to do this in parts because Google Groups has been so 
> temperamental lately. 
>
> Anyway, I’m probably the last to know, but I discovered Something of Great 
> Help and am passing it along. 
>
> It’s 30 Days of Biking and I needed a post for today on my Instagram, so I 
> decided to write about my Cotopaxi packing cubes. When I was at the Philly 
> Bike Expo, Pam and I almost never had time to come back to our room to get 
> things. The weather in March is highly variable in Philedelphia, so we had 
> to pack whatever we’d need for the day and carry it on our bikes. Pam and I 
> started with an early morning (chilly!) group ride to a coffee shop, so we 
> needed warm exercise-friendly clothes there. Then it was straight to the 
> Expo, and I wanted to wear a cute ‘fit and not workout wear - a spring 
> sweater and fuchsia flare pants, so I had to bring them. We needed warm 
> things for the night ride to the after-party. Water. Snacks. We had our 
> Sackville bags, and we just took turns rifling through them, stuff flying 
> out and us carrying on about how we couldn’t find anything. “Where are my 
> arm warmers!” “Did I bring my thermal headband?” And so on. Several times I 
> believed I had left something back at the room, only to find it later in 
> the dark corners of my cavernous bag. I found stray vials of saline, a 
> Siamese cat sticker, smashed oat bars, loose dolla dolla bills yo, a 
> glove…This is ridiculous, I thought. I’m going to go home and find some 
> kind of solution. 
>
> I found Cotopaxi Packing Cubes. You can get them on Amazon or from 
> Cotopaxi and they are so, so reasonable. They come in colors you don’t get 
> to choose but will surely be delighted with, and in several sizes. These 
> are going to be great in my Backabike bags this summer when I do my Chicago 
> to New Buffalo overnight ride. They weigh nothing. They keep everything 
> organized and they are cute. I also ordered a Rivendell Mountain Works 
> pouch from Riv to keep tools in. I decided it would be better for greasy 
> tools than the light-colored, mesh-sided Cotopaxi cubes. I’m still 
> deliberating on what I should actually PUT in the tool pouch. 
>
> Anyway, here’s a pic or two and I’ll send the video, which is much better, 
> in the next post, if the Google Group gods allow it.
> Leah
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Soliciting opinions: help me pick the right Rivendell

[Tony Lockhart]

+1I think a Sam with a 3x9 drivetrain and 44mm tires will be perfect 
for your needs. Great with or without racks, amazing with drops or upright 
bars, and it looks great. Easy to basket and fender.


On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 5:43:49 PM UTC-7 Bud Suttree wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>
> Been enjoying these forums for a while now, with my first post I’d like to 
> lean on the immense collective wisdom here and get some help with picking 
> out the right Rivendell model. I’ve done quite a lot of personal research 
> and spoken to Riv at least once but would like to open things up to the 
> group for general discussion. 
>
>
> Short sketch of my problem: I love bicycles, but haven’t enjoyed riding 
> them in a long time. I have quite a few, and they all are unpleasant to 
> ride for one reason or another. My priorities are, in descending order: 
> comfort, performance (perceived), utility, price/aesthetics (tie), 
> performance (actual), and at the end would be the ability to do any 
> outer-boundary/end-of-spectrum type activity, riding across the country or 
> racing crits, etc. My ideal bike would be something that could ride 15-20 
> miles to the trail and then 10-15 more on the trail. And also manage 
> chipotle, beer, and post office runs. 
>
>
> Every time I browse the Riv offerings I become convinced I need a 
> different model. I’m thinking maybe the Atlantis would suit me, but I don’t 
> necessarily love the double top tube, and I’d probably be between the 57 
> and 59. The Appaloosa seems pretty similar, but I’m not crazy about either 
> of the current colors. Can’t say I can tell the difference between that one 
> and the Sam, but I like the Sam aesthetic better. I’m also tempted by the 
> gold Susie/Wolbis, but since I’ll be riding mostly around town, worry that 
> it might not feel as agile as the bikes I’m use to riding do.
>
>
> That’s the short version — would welcome any takes or opinions. 
>
>
> Longer story:
>
>
> Like the rest of you, I love bicycles. A substantial amount of my 
> attention is given to them, day after day, in one way or another. 
> Unfortunately, lately this has not translated into actually riding them 
> very often. It’s a paradoxical state, induced by having too many (project) 
> bikes, none of which I can tolerate to ride for more than half an hour. 
> It’s mostly a comfort issue. FWIW, I am a not unhealthy late 20something 
> male with probably poorish posture from desk-jockeying. I rode an aluminum 
> Cannondale road bike daily for five years, crashed, broke some bones and 
> swore it off for two, then entered this present cycle. 
>
>
> Economic realities necessitate the need to flip bikes and parts to fund 
> the passion. Maybe you think that’s a dirty trade; most are. I’ve had the 
> good fortune to pick up an outrageously rare old school BMX bike for 
> essentially nothing that should cover a very nice Rivendell build, and 
> hopefully obviate the need to engage in as much cycling commerce. 
>
>
> Along the way, I’ve acquired an interesting stable:
>
>- 93 Bridgestone RB-1 and MB-2 
>- Custom 90s Ciocc w/ Columbus EL and Chorus 
>- 93ish lugged Trek 990 
>- 1985 Trek 620 
>
> and a cache of interesting parts, so it’s not been for nothing, but I 
> don’t like riding any of those bikes. Had (still have?) big dreams for the 
> RB-1, but cannot tolerate the reach. Have tried a bunch of stem/saddle 
> options, no luck. Currently building it up w/ a Soma Highway bar and zero 
> setback post, preliminary fit check not promising. Found a crack in the 
> MB’s fork when I was tearing it down and don’t think I want to invest in it 
> without the biplane fork. The Ciocc’s max tire clearance for Corsas is 23 
> rear/25 front. The 990 might be all right, and the 620 too, but both need a 
> ton of work. 
>
>
> I’m tired of projects. Wrenching is fun but riding is better, and it was 
> never my goal to be a collector of anything. So, instead of trying to make 
> all these old bikes “like” the bike that I want, I’m just going to actually 
> go and get what I want and then be done with it for awhile. 
>
>
> Some considerations: 
>
>
> I miss running errands on my bike. I don’t have as much free time as I’d 
> like, but everyone has to go to the grocery store. I also miss long weekend 
> adventure rides and casual group rides. I WFH, so don’t need an actual 
> commuter. I like the idea of an overnight trip, and have most of the gear 
> I’d need to do it. 
>
>
> I have two really great handlebar options: the Soma Highway Ones and Ron’s 
> Orthos. I’ve never spent much of any time on bars that weren’t drops, but 
> think I’m leaning towards the orthos for this project. That said, it would 
> be cool if I could use both. 
>
>
> I want lots of gears. Live in a somewhat hilly town (Nashville) with steep 
> climbs on most of my routes. Getting nearly anywhere usually requires at 
> least some riding on busy streets w/o cycling lanes. 
>
>
> No local Riv dealer anymore 

[RBW] Re: Video: Repairing Pam Murray's Silver shifters

[Tony Lockhart]

Lovely video, Eric. Your shop gives me those Van Neistat vibes. Thanks for 
documenting this and sharing your process. 



On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 4:48:05 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi everyone — Last fall Pam Murray sent me some Silver shifter levers that 
> were in need of repair. They came off her high-mileage Betty Foy after the 
> springs wore out. 
>
> Thanks to Mike Godwin for sending me a broken pair of the old Suntour 
> Sprint levers, they provided the parts I needed to get Pam's shifters back 
> up and running. 
>
> I made a video about the process, it's up here: 
> https://youtu.be/0g67pjAPYZk
>
> I hope this is helpful to anyone looking to get their worn out or broken 
> Silver v1 or v2 shifters back into shape.
>
> Cheers! 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Northern Hemisphere Winter 2023-2024 Ride Photos

[Tony Lockhart]

Lovely scenery, Takashi!

On Thursday, February 29, 2024 at 5:17:37 AM UTC-8 Takashi wrote:

> Couple of photos from last Saturday.
> Trees were white with snow, but hardly any snow on the road.
>
> [image: DSC03515.jpg]
>
> [image: DSC03519.jpg]
>
> Takashi
>
> 2024年2月27日火曜日 4:31:06 UTC+9 drewfi...@gmail.com:
>
>> 73 and sunny here in Atlanta. Snuck out on my lunch break for a quick 
>> ride on the Holdsworth. Swapped the Atlantis over to Toscos, and put the 
>> Albatross bars on this golden oldie. 
>>
>>
>> [image: Holdsworth Alba.jpg]
>> On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 9:02:37 AM UTC-5 Bikie#4646 wrote:
>>
>>> Tony, Thanks for that bit of Hillborne history.  I
>>>
>>> As to the brake change, if pulling a wide tire without deflating it, the 
>>> Paul centerpulls open wide. 
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 12:40:53 AM EST, Tony Lockhart <
>>> alockh...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>>
>>>
>>> Hey Paul, 
>>> Beautiful Homer that you've got! I really like the bags and mustache 
>>> bars.
>>>
>>> I bought my Sam in December of 2009.maybe in the first couple of 
>>> runs? I'm not entirely certain. At any rate, those early ones didn't come 
>>> with the accent head tubes. I've been daydreaming about getting the Sam 
>>> repainted to a celeste or Homer bluemaybe even change ditch the canti 
>>> posts and change over to side pulls. Haha, I knowsacrilege!
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 25, 2024 at 6:31:08 PM UTC-8 Bikie#4646 wrote:
>>>
>>> Tony, nice image! Just curious, is your bike a repaint? No cream head 
>>> tube or accents? 
>>> I myself have a Homer which was restored and powder coated monochrome, 
>>> except for modified decals. Since I also have a Sam Hillborne, it is nice 
>>> to set it apart from that (and other Rivendells).
>>> Paul Germain
>>> Midlothian, Va.
>>> [image: IMG_7763.jpeg]
>>>
>>> On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 9:22:32 AM UTC-5 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Early morning...Pasadena, CA
>>> [image: IMG_3410.JPG]
>>> On Tuesday, February 13, 2024 at 7:05:45 PM UTC-8 kyleco...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Love the photos from Japan! Thanks for sharing.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 7:48 AM Takashi  wrote:
>>>
>>> We have very little snowfall this winter. I think I wrote the same thing 
>>> in the previous winter, but even less snow now.
>>> Anyway, here are a few photos from last Sunday.
>>>
>>> Mt. Ontake:
>>> [image: DSC03502.jpg]
>>>
>>> Kiso Mountains:
>>> [image: DSC03509.jpg]
>>>
>>> Even with this little snowfall, I couldn't ride my bike on an unplowed 
>>> road.
>>> Here, my bike is standing without help of kickstand.
>>> [image: DSC03499.jpg]
>>>
>>> Takashi
>>>
>>> 2024年2月13日火曜日 9:38:19 UTC+9 Collin A:
>>>
>>> A bit of a delayed post, but I swung up by Riv World HQ a couple 
>>> weekends ago and got some moody mid-ride photos in. What isn't pictured is 
>>> the muddy mess the bike was about 20-30 minutes later.
>>>
>>> FYI, the cazaderos are not great mud tires...but most already knew that 
>>> I'm sure
>>> [image: Riv Shell.jpg]
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Northern Hemisphere Winter 2023-2024 Ride Photos

[Tony Lockhart]

Hey Paul, 
Beautiful Homer that you've got! I really like the bags and mustache bars.

I bought my Sam in December of 2009.maybe in the first couple of runs? 
I'm not entirely certain. At any rate, those early ones didn't come with 
the accent head tubes. I've been daydreaming about getting the Sam 
repainted to a celeste or Homer bluemaybe even change ditch the canti 
posts and change over to side pulls. Haha, I knowsacrilege!

On Sunday, February 25, 2024 at 6:31:08 PM UTC-8 Bikie#4646 wrote:

> Tony, nice image! Just curious, is your bike a repaint? No cream head tube 
> or accents? 
> I myself have a Homer which was restored and powder coated monochrome, 
> except for modified decals. Since I also have a Sam Hillborne, it is nice 
> to set it apart from that (and other Rivendells).
> Paul Germain
> Midlothian, Va.
> [image: IMG_7763.jpeg]
>
> On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 9:22:32 AM UTC-5 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>
>>
>> Early morning...Pasadena, CA
>> [image: IMG_3410.JPG]
>> On Tuesday, February 13, 2024 at 7:05:45 PM UTC-8 kyleco...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Love the photos from Japan! Thanks for sharing.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 7:48 AM Takashi  wrote:
>>>
>>>> We have very little snowfall this winter. I think I wrote the same 
>>>> thing in the previous winter, but even less snow now.
>>>> Anyway, here are a few photos from last Sunday.
>>>>
>>>> Mt. Ontake:
>>>> [image: DSC03502.jpg]
>>>>
>>>> Kiso Mountains:
>>>> [image: DSC03509.jpg]
>>>>
>>>> Even with this little snowfall, I couldn't ride my bike on an unplowed 
>>>> road.
>>>> Here, my bike is standing without help of kickstand.
>>>> [image: DSC03499.jpg]
>>>>
>>>> Takashi
>>>>
>>>> 2024年2月13日火曜日 9:38:19 UTC+9 Collin A:
>>>>
>>>>> A bit of a delayed post, but I swung up by Riv World HQ a couple 
>>>>> weekends ago and got some moody mid-ride photos in. What isn't pictured 
>>>>> is 
>>>>> the muddy mess the bike was about 20-30 minutes later.
>>>>>
>>>>> FYI, the cazaderos are not great mud tires...but most already knew 
>>>>> that I'm sure
>>>>> [image: Riv Shell.jpg]
>>>>>
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>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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[RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[Tony Lockhart]

Very slick frame. When do you plan to build it up?

On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 11:49:24 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I picked up my Pink Roadeo frame, fork, stem and fenders this morning at 
> Riv HQ.  I took several photos and added them to my Flickr album with no 
> commentary (yet):
>
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720313109003/
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Los Angeles Riv Ride

[Tony Lockhart]

*Calling all fair weather cyclists: *Looks like 2 inches of rain in the 
forecast for Saturday the 17th. I'm happy to postpone or suffer through the 
rain, provided there's a hot coffee stop along the route. 

How are other folks feeling? Wondering if it would be prudent to push the 
ride date out to March.

On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 11:00:39 AM UTC-8 Dorothy C wrote:

> My son is planning to come too, he has a 55cm lime Platy from the first run
>
> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 12:11:50 PM UTC-8 kiziria...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I would recommend minimal singletrack to keep this ride as inclusive as 
>> possible. Not all Riv riders have extra wide tires / experience on dirt. 
>> (Not speaking for myself, I prefer dirt) Don't wanna scare anyone off! The 
>> more the merrier. 
>>
>> Wasn't able to visit AllezLA as they were closed on Tuesday. Will post 
>> ride beta here as I gather it from friends / perhaps a future visit. 
>>
>> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 5:12:41 PM UTC-8 Donzaemon wrote:
>>
>>> Sounds like a fun ride. Wish I was still local!
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 5:04:07 PM UTC-8 heike...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm fine with 30+ miles and fire roads; not so sure about any kind of 
>>>> steep or technical single-track (not sure what you mean by flowy, 
>>>> Riv-friendly single-track, P.W.. I've done a limited amount of 
>>>> single-track 
>>>> with my mountain bike, and I've gotten off and walked on steep, rocky 
>>>> parts, and I haven't taken my Appaloosa on any of that type of trail. I 
>>>> know the bike can do it; I'm just not sure I can :)  Overall, though, the 
>>>> path and plan you suggest sounds fun, P.W.!  
>>>>
>>>> How early is early? I'm an early riser, and I have to drive in from 
>>>> South Orange County. Google says it will take me 1:30 hours to get to 
>>>> Allez. 
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jan 7, 2024 at 8:09 PM Tony Lockhart  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Just wondering what the fitness, technical ability, and comfort level 
>>>>> of people are. While I've never taken my bike on single track, I love to 
>>>>> try out some flowy curves and fire roadsand I'm quite happy to do 30+ 
>>>>> miles on mixed terrain, especially if we get an early start. I'm super 
>>>>> flexible.
>>>>>
>>>>> How are others feeling? I'd rather defer to the group, in favor of 
>>>>> getting more people to attend. The more, the merrier, IMO.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> @Armand - Glad to hear that you'll be visiting Allez. Perhaps you can 
>>>>> let us know if any good ideas or routes come up when you chat with Kyle. 
>>>>> I 
>>>>> think it would be great if we kept the ride on this side of town. I can't 
>>>>> speak for others, but I'd welcome a future ride on the west side.
>>>>>
>>>>> @Phil - Great idea for a route; you've got my vote! I know Ted had 
>>>>> mentioned Cherry Canyon. Sign me up for flowy single track and a beer 
>>>>> anyday! 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 4:37:01 PM UTC-8 philip@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Meeting at Allez wouldn’t be a bad idea.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Riv dealers and great people, after all!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I’m sure they’d be happy to host. Plus Collage coffee is down the 
>>>>>> block.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Highland Park to South Pas, Rosebowl over to Cherry Canyon, down 
>>>>>> through the Sports Complex singletrack, ending with a beer and hot dog 
>>>>>> at 
>>>>>> Walt’s is never a bad time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 20-30miles. Bunch of road, bunch of dirt. Flowy, Riv-friendly single 
>>>>>> track and fire roads.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or there’s Mt Washington - Elysian - Griffith. Although less fun.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> P. W.
>>>>>> ~
>>>>>> (917) 514-2207
>>>>>> ~
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 7, 2024, at 3:52 PM, Armand Kizirian  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>

[RBW] Re: FS: Panaracer & Rene Herse Tires

[Tony Lockhart]

RH tires sold; thanks Eric.


Panaracer Pasela TourGuards still up for grabs
700c x 32mm
~500 miles on them
$35 local pickup in Pasadena, CA
$50 shipped

Images can be found here <https://photos.app.goo.gl/kKNLyaZBB6BXrPNq8>. 
Tires already packed in a USPS flat rate shipping box.

On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 6:00:27 PM UTC-8 Tony Lockhart wrote:

> RH Snoqualmie Pass
> 700c x 44mm - Extralight Casing
> 50-100 miles on them
> $100 local pickup in Pasadena, CA
> $115 shipped
>
>
> Panaracer Pasela TourGuard
> 700c x 32mm
> ~500 miles on them
> $35 local pickup in Pasadena, CA
> $50 shipped
>
> Images can be found here <https://photos.app.goo.gl/kKNLyaZBB6BXrPNq8>. 
> Tires already packed in a USPS flat rate shipping box.
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[RBW] FS: Panaracer & Rene Herse Tires

[Tony Lockhart]

RH Snoqualmie Pass
700c x 44mm - Extralight Casing
50-100 miles on them
$100 local pickup in Pasadena, CA
$115 shipped


Panaracer Pasela TourGuard
700c x 32mm
~500 miles on them
$35 local pickup in Pasadena, CA
$50 shipped

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Re: [RBW] Stolen 1995 Rivendell Road Standard recovered!

[Tony Lockhart]

Ah, lovely news. Congrats!

On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 1:21:00 PM UTC-8 ant.w...@gmail.com wrote:

> Great to hear you're reunited with your bike. I also want to echo Matt's 
> warning on acetone. Isopropyl alcohol (aka. IPA or rubbing alcohol) will 
> clean off the permanent marker instantly without damaging the clear coat.
>
> On Tuesday 7 November 2023 at 02:14:09 UTC Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Congratulations Adrianna! I’ve been watching for your bike at swap meets 
>> and everywhere I ride and walk, so I’m very happy you got it back! 
>>
>> With regards to removing Sharpie: DO NOT use acetone! Acetone will remove 
>> the clearcoat, decals, and the Rivendell enamel paint. Acetone is one of 
>> the “hottest” solvents and I only use acetone when I’m cleaning bare metal.
>>
>> So happy for your good news! Can you share more details of how you got it 
>> back?
>>
>>
>> On Nov 6, 2023, at 5:11 PM, John Rinker  wrote:
>>
>> Hey Andrew and Adrianna,
>>
>> Also, to remove Sharpie pen you can color over the Sharpie with 
>> white-board marker. This will remove Sharpie with no damage to paint or 
>> decal. A trick I learned from a 3rd grade student.
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 2:30:11 PM UTC-8 Andrew Letton wrote:
>>
>>> Great news, Adrianna! I'm happy for you.
>>>
>>> I can't really tell from the resolution of the photo, but it looks like 
>>> it is just the decals that were painted or marked over. If they used a 
>>> Sharpie pen, acetone should remove the pen markings without damaging the 
>>> paint job (but test in a small area to be sure!). If they used paint, some 
>>> paints may be dissolved by acetone as well. I'm fairly certain that the 
>>> original paint will not be harmed by acetone, but again, I would test this 
>>> in an inconspicuous spot first.
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>> Andrew in Sydney
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 09:07:17 AM GMT+11, Adrianna T <
>>> skinn...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Just thought to share the good news. A few months ago, my Riv was stolen 
>>> from my garage in San Francisco. I got it back this week.
>>>
>>> The gist of the story was that a bike person in my community came across 
>>> this bike, figured it was stolen, got it from the person selling it, and 
>>> contacted me. 
>>>
>>> All the parts were intact, except bags and lights and bottle cages, and 
>>> the bike was totally fine. Someone had painted over the lugs in a black and 
>>> blue and it's kind of ugly, but that's maybe a good story to tell some day.
>>>
>>> I am so happy!
>>>
>>> -Adrianna
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[RBW] Re: Dialing in a Brooks Saddle

[Tony Lockhart]

Hi Jay,
Best words of wisdom I can provide is to get tons of saddle time and adjust 
every 3-5 miles...it'll be dialed in before you know it. Also, keep your 
Brooks waxed, don't let it get soaked, only a quarter turn to tighten them 
up (loosen a smidge before you tighten). Yeah, that's all I've got. 

My Leo has a B17 Pro in black, and my Sam has the same but in honey. Was 
just thinking I'd swap since dark gold and tan sidewalls look great with 
brown saddles. Either option is a win/win because those saddles are great. 
Happy trails,
Tony

On Tuesday, January 30, 2024 at 7:27:00 PM UTC-8 Jay wrote:

> Next week I'll be throwing a leg over a Roadini for the first time (I 
> posted a couple weeks ago about the frame I ordered) and I thought I was 
> set on my saddle, but decided yesterday I need to try something very 
> different.  
>
> A little bit of background before I get to my question...
>
> When I started cycling around 20 years ago I had Brooks B17 on my road 
> bike (custom geometry, not too aggressive) and a Masi commuter bike.  It 
> was a while ago so I can't recall what I liked about them, and why I 
> eventually stopped using them, but I do recall one memory...I always used 
> padded bib shorts (still do) and one day in the winter I went for a 2hr 
> ride and only realized when I got home that I just had on my underwear and 
> tights.  In at least that way for me at that time, the saddle was that 
> comfortable.
>
> Since that time I've used a lot of plastic saddles from Fizik, Selle 
> Italia and the latest is a Prologo (147mm wide, with a bit of padding).  I 
> used this saddle on two bikes the last 4 months and it was a noticeable 
> improvement over the Selle Italia saddles I was using previously.  I 
> thought this is what I would use on the Roadini (and still may, in the long 
> run).  But when I use it on my Salsa Fargo (bar level with saddle) and ride 
> for 2+ hours, I get friction and general discomfort.  And can I ride 
> without padded bib shorts?  Heck no, I can't even go around my block 
> without bibs when using this saddle.
>
> To get to my point, I ordered a B17 in Honey to try out on my Roadini. 
>  I'm getting it tomorrow and I'm going to try it on my Fargo (nice weather 
> for next little while).  I know that overall I need to be patient, only 
> change one thing at a time, and only small adjustments.
>
> My thinking, where I wanted to get your input, is that I would be set up 
> the bike so saddle and bars are level, and will likely start with the 
> saddle level (from what I recall this will have the rear of the saddle 
> where my sit bones are located, pointed down a bit, but that's how my 
> Prologo is today and I can ride in the drops and take my hands off and I'm 
> balanced...so I think I'll start there and see how it goes).
>
> Any other words of wisdom that I can consider?  Thanks in advance.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini Build - Mix of Modern and Retro

[Tony Lockhart]

@Patrick - Leo is a bit more nimble and rigid to a comparably spec'd Sam. 
Sam seems a bit more flexy, especially with out of the seat climbing. Seems 
like the Sam is all over the place when it comes to steering--my Leo seems 
to track way better at low speeds. For context, I've had a million setups 
on my Sam during the last 14 years and it's currently running a flat bar, 
2x8 setup, on 44mm RH tires. My Leo is running a drop bar, 3x8 setup, and 
32mm Pasela TGs.38mm Shikoros arriving this Wednesday. Sam used to have 
the same parts currently on the Leo. I think the differences are very 
slightboth bikes are amazing.

@Jay - Congrats on the purchase--you picked a winner. Like you, I also 
purchased a dark gold 57cm frame. I couldn't be happier. Leo is a champ.
On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 5:32:46 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Piaw: I'm curious, how light is your Roadini?
>
> More general question to the audience: How does the current Roadini differ 
> from the original Sam Hillborne? I owned one of the latter and it would be 
> interesting to use this Sam as a gauge for understanding the Roadini.
>
> Aside: I'm thinking (just thinking; action may come but later) of turning 
> that Libertas into an on-and-offroad beater because I think it will take a 
> 38 mm tire. The original issue Sam was limited to IIRC 38 or 40 mm tires so 
> I hope that this might be a more nimble handling and lighter (and 
> beater-sh) Sam surrogate.
>
> On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 8:44 PM Piaw Na  wrote:
>
>> I went with 11s and a single DT shifter (I'm running 1x11) and I treat my 
>> Roadini as a gravel bike. It's great. Usually I climb on the road so 
>> shifting is not a problem, and descending who cares what gears you're in. 
>> But on the few occasions I did a a dirt climb and I'd just shift into the 
>> lowest gear and stay there. My goal for the Roadini was to make it as light 
>> as possible (given the relatively heavy frame) while still able to do hard 
>> climbs. It hasn't disappointed.
>>
>> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 2:06:45 PM UTC-8 four...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Just curious, if you are using 11sp, why not use integrated 
>>> shifters/levers? To each their own for sure, but I can't imagine DT 
>>> shifters on a mixed-surface trail unless it's really smooth.. heck, I don't 
>>> even care for bar-ends on a trail.. but those RRL levers are super nice! 
>>>
>>> I'm leaning hard into a Roadini that I may put a Campy 10 Triple group I 
>>> have on it.. 
>>>
>>> Chris 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 10:33:55 AM UTC-8 Jay wrote:
>>>
 First post here!  I've been reading some of the threads and this sounds 
 like a good place...my new happy place ;-)

 I ordered the dark gold Roadini (57) from the only shop in Canada that 
 sells Riv (C Cycles) and will be picking it up in a few weeks when I'll 
 be visiting Montreal.

 Looking for this to be a project bike, that evolves over time.  For now 
 though, I had a lot of new / lightly used parts on hand, so I'll be using 
 those and having the bike shop supply the rest (including some handbill 
 wheels for some lightly used 43mm GKSS tires I'm using on my Fargo in the 
 winter).  Build will be Shimano 11sp, with DT shifters and Tektro RRL 
 brake 
 levers, and Tektro brakes.

 Purpose of the bike is all-road (where I live, a lot of that is paved, 
 but there are gravel roads further out), but will not be used much on 
 local 
 mixed-surface trails (where the Fargo excels).  My current road bike will 
 be jealous, but I'm not kicking her to the curb just yet!

 Photos to come in February.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini Build is complete

[Tony Lockhart]

Solid bike, Brent! So glad to see how nicely it turned out, especially with 
that gorgeous silver drivetrain.

I've got about 300ish miles on my Roadini now and I couldn't be happier. 
Oddly enough, I have been spending more time on my Hillborne because I 
don't want to feel guilty by leaving it in the garage. Can't wait to hear 
your impression by the end of the summer.almost wondering if you'll 
prefer the Leo to the Sam.

Happy trails,
Tony

On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 3:27:41 PM UTC-8 brenton...@gmail.com wrote:

> Took the Roadini for a 3 mile test ride and safety check and got some 
> initial impressions. 
>
> 1. It felt expectedly similar to my Sam. The cockpit was a direct swap 
> from Sam to Leo, makes sense. I bombed a lil hill that turned into gravel, 
> felt very stable even when a dog ran out at me to join at my flank. I then 
> climbed a steep street, seated in 36Fx30R, which is promising knowing I 
> have a 24t option in front and will climb longer/steeper. If I stripped my 
> Sam and put on slicks I’d be just as fast. Do I regret building this bike? 
> Not yet and not likely. 
>
> 2. This seat won’t suit me for longer rides. My sit bones felt like they 
> were on a wood beam. 
>
> 3. Even with the tall stack, sloped top tube, and my long arms, I still 
> wished my hoods were 2” closer to me. 
>
> Sunshine has yet to hit this bike.  ¯\_(˘͡ ˘̯)_/¯ 
>
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
>
>
> On Jan 22, 2024, at 2:21 PM, Jay  wrote:
>
> Looks great.  You have me questioning the Dark Gold I selected ;-)
>
>
>
> On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 3:36:11 PM UTC-5 brenton...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> For the seat height inquiries:
>>
>> Both my bikes are currently 41” top of saddle to the ground. The Roadini 
>> has less BB drop so top of saddle to crank bolt center is 31”, where the 
>> Sam is 31.5”. I may end up raising the saddle on the Roadini. Hard to 
>> compare a broken in B17 to C17 as well. I could probably raise both seats 
>> 1” and still have a knee bend at bottom of pedal stroke. 
>>
>> I am 6’1” with 89cm PBH 
>>
>> On Jan 22, 2024, at 11:10 AM, John Bokman  wrote:
>>
>> Brenton, thanks for the post; nice looking bike. As weather allows, 
>> please let us know how this bike rides compared to your Sam (especially 
>> when it was in drop-bar mode). I'm sure I'm not the only Sam rider who is 
>> curious about this comparison.
>>
>>
>>
>> John
>> On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 10:49:51 AM UTC-8 brenton...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I haven't ridden it enough to decide if it was the perfect +1 yet, but 
>>> it was a fun project. I will report back after some miles.
>>>
>>> It was great way to spend my time during 2 weeks of Portland 
>>> snow+ice+wind. Did lots of research, and learned a ton more about 
>>> components I was only mildly interested in before. Shopping for NOS+used 
>>> parts on eBay was surprisingly fun, especially if you're after components 
>>> that most folks ignore. I watched all the "built by blue lug" videos, 
>>> highly recommend watching for both zen, appreciation of expertise, and 
>>> educational instruction (though they are not intentionally instructional).
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Los Angeles Riv Ride

[Tony Lockhart]

Just wondering what the fitness, technical ability, and comfort level of 
people are. While I've never taken my bike on single track, I love to try 
out some flowy curves and fire roadsand I'm quite happy to do 30+ miles 
on mixed terrain, especially if we get an early start. I'm super flexible.

How are others feeling? I'd rather defer to the group, in favor of getting 
more people to attend. The more, the merrier, IMO.


@Armand - Glad to hear that you'll be visiting Allez. Perhaps you can let 
us know if any good ideas or routes come up when you chat with Kyle. I 
think it would be great if we kept the ride on this side of town. I can't 
speak for others, but I'd welcome a future ride on the west side.

@Phil - Great idea for a route; you've got my vote! I know Ted had 
mentioned Cherry Canyon. Sign me up for flowy single track and a beer 
anyday! 




On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 4:37:01 PM UTC-8 philip@gmail.com wrote:

> Meeting at Allez wouldn’t be a bad idea.
>
> Riv dealers and great people, after all!
>
> I’m sure they’d be happy to host. Plus Collage coffee is down the block.
>
> Highland Park to South Pas, Rosebowl over to Cherry Canyon, down through 
> the Sports Complex singletrack, ending with a beer and hot dog at Walt’s is 
> never a bad time.
>
> 20-30miles. Bunch of road, bunch of dirt. Flowy, Riv-friendly single track 
> and fire roads.
>
> Or there’s Mt Washington - Elysian - Griffith. Although less fun.
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 7, 2024, at 3:52 PM, Armand Kizirian  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Safe to say a Riv is not required to join the ride. I will definitely be 
> inviting a few people who would thoroughly appreciate being surrounded by 
> Rivendells, despite not owning one. 
>
> Tony, I used to organize routes/rides/tours for small and large groups. 
> I'm in Santa Monica so I'm not as familiar with great places to ride on the 
> east side. I think a jaunt through frogtown/la river/griffith park could be 
> great. I'll be going to Glendale tomorrow and can stop by Allez LA and pick 
> their brain some, especially if Kyle is there. 
>
> What kind of mileage are you thinking? Is this a morning meetup ride? 
>
> Let's doo this. Good incentive for me to finish my Playtpus by then 
> too :). 
>
> On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 9:22:54 PM UTC-8 heike...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Oh, so cool to see this happening! I’ve been mostly lurking here; got my 
>> Appaloosa last August and I ride it in Orange County. I’d love to join a 
>> ride and February 17th will probably work (family plans permitting). 
>> Question: How long/demanding will the ride be? I’m usually a solo rider and 
>> with my Appaloosa I’m more of a joy rider than a racer.
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 8:47:39 AM UTC-8 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>>
>>> Hey folks,
>>> Anybody free for an early February meet up and ride? Ted D. is in town 
>>> during the week of the 12th, so this seems like a great opportunity for a 
>>> fun, super causal ride.
>>>
>>> Sunday the 11th 
>>> Monday the 12th (state holiday)
>>> Saturday the 17th
>>>
>>> What do you think?
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 10:34:54 AM UTC-7 chris@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm interested. If the date happens to fall in the second half of the 
>>>> month, I'll do my best to be there! First one was a great time. Thanks 
>>>> again to Houston and everyone who came out. 
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jun 10, 2023 at 9:42 AM Keith Paugh  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Definitely! 
>>>>> I was just thinking we should do this again this summer.
>>>>> I've met some new, not-on-the-google-group L.A. Riv riders to add to 
>>>>> the mix this next time too.
>>>>> k.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jun 10, 2023 at 6:41 AM Bryce Dwyer  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am! Saturday mornings are best for me but can swing a Friday now 
>>>>>> and then. There’s also July 3rd, a Monday that se folks may have off. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 9, 2023 at 10:13 PM Tony Lockhart  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anybody available for a group ride in July? 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> @Houston - Thanks for sharing the folder with photos.
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 5:08:28 PM UTC-7 tellyoutoday wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This was a great time, thanks for putting it together,

Re: [RBW] Los Angeles Riv Ride

[Tony Lockhart]

Looks like we’re going to have a great turnout. Anybody good at mapping out 
routes? 

There’s an event at The Rose Bowl on the 17th, but I’m sure there’ll be 
parking near the Aquatic Center (for folks driving in). The Zoo/Autry lot 
will have plenty of parking as well. Both locations are right off the 
freeway. 
On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 5:10:05 PM UTC-8 bunny...@gmail.com wrote:

> Totally! I’ll be on my Soma. Riv and Riv inspired bike ride ;)
>
> Ben
>
> On Jan 6, 2024, at 11:37, P W  wrote:
>
> Can I come without a Riv, just to look at all ya’lls Rivs?
>
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 6, 2024, at 11:09 AM, Elliot Babin  wrote:
>
> Hi group, long time reader first time poster. I'm an atlantis owner in 
> West LA and would love to join up for a February ride. any of those dates 
> work for me
>
> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 9:14:36 AM UTC-8 Keith P. wrote:
>
>> Yes!
>> I was just thinking it was time for another LA ride.
>>
>> I’d be available:
>> Monday the 12th
>> &
>> Saturday the 17th
>>
>> Thanks for suggesting it,
>> k.
>>
>> On Jan 2, 2024, at 9:53 AM, isaac ramos  wrote:
>>
>> Sound great! Any of these dates work  for me
>>
>>
>> IR
>>
>> On Jan 2, 2024, at 8:47 AM, Tony Lockhart  wrote:
>>
>> Hey folks,
>> Anybody free for an early February meet up and ride? Ted D. is in town 
>> during the week of the 12th, so this seems like a great opportunity for a 
>> fun, super causal ride.
>>
>> Sunday the 11th 
>> Monday the 12th (state holiday)
>> Saturday the 17th
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 10:34:54 AM UTC-7 chris@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I'm interested. If the date happens to fall in the second half of the 
>>> month, I'll do my best to be there! First one was a great time. Thanks 
>>> again to Houston and everyone who came out. 
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 10, 2023 at 9:42 AM Keith Paugh  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Definitely! 
>>>> I was just thinking we should do this again this summer.
>>>> I've met some new, not-on-the-google-group L.A. Riv riders to add to 
>>>> the mix this next time too.
>>>> k.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jun 10, 2023 at 6:41 AM Bryce Dwyer  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am! Saturday mornings are best for me but can swing a Friday now and 
>>>>> then. There’s also July 3rd, a Monday that se folks may have off. 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 9, 2023 at 10:13 PM Tony Lockhart  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Anybody available for a group ride in July? 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> @Houston - Thanks for sharing the folder with photos.
>>>>>> On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 5:08:28 PM UTC-7 tellyoutoday wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This was a great time, thanks for putting it together, Houston. 
>>>>>>> Really nice meeting everyone!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Neale
>>>>>>> On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 2:37:54 PM UTC-7 Keith P. wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So sorry to have missed this!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Looks like it was a hoot.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Let plan another ride soon.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> k.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On May 28, 2023, at 10:26 AM, Ben Adrian  
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Super fun!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A good pile of Rivs. A number of other cool bikes. Even two e-bikes.
>>>>>>>> Great conversation, everyone was super positive. Total type 1 fun.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> See you all at the next one!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ben
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 9:28:47 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Great photos! I’ll definitely be at the next one. 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 7:08:04 PM UTC-7 mma...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>

[RBW] Re: Roadini Feedback

[Tony Lockhart]

Hi Chris,
Thanks for sharing your story. I’m sorry to hear about your dad’s passing 
however I’m happy to hear that his bike is being put to good use. 

To answer your question, I’ll verify that the Leo is fast(ish), as you put 
it. I just bought one and have about 150 miles on it. 

Having run a hundred different setups on my Sam during the past 14 years, 
I’ll just add that you can set up your Homer to be fast(ish). But if you’re 
itching for a new bike, the Roadini is great. Definitely less flex in the 
rear triangle with out of the saddle climbs. If you’ve got a type A 
personality, you’ll think the welds in the Leo look sloppy. Nothing beats a 
gorgeous, lugged frame….but if you care about something reliable and fun, 
definitely not sluggish, and beautifully quirky, the Roadini is the way to 
go. 

Happy trails, Tony




On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 9:54:56 AM UTC-8 four...@gmail.com wrote:

> Howdy all,
>
> So I realize I'm posting this on the RBW list, so there is bound to be 
> some bias and that's ok.. ;) I'm a Riv owner myself with a current AHH I 
> got from my Dad when he passed and have previously owned a Bleriot and a 
> Ram for a short time. 
>
> So, my question is simple- does the Roadini feel fast(ish) when riding? 
> I'm sure builds vary and so weight will vary, but I know some bikes can 
> weigh a bit more and still feel "quick".. to be fair, I'm no racer, but I 
> like a bike to feel good when I stand up to pedal or am zipping around at 
> my, fast for me, 18-19 mph.. 
>
> I would be looking to build up with drop bars BTW with a modern-ish 
> group.. 
>
> Finally, anyone have a 50cm frameset (or complete maybe) they are looking 
> to move? 
>
> Thanks,
> Chris is Sonoma County, CA :) 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Los Angeles Riv Ride

[Tony Lockhart]

Hey folks,
Anybody free for an early February meet up and ride? Ted D. is in town 
during the week of the 12th, so this seems like a great opportunity for a 
fun, super causal ride.

Sunday the 11th 
Monday the 12th (state holiday)
Saturday the 17th

What do you think?

On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 10:34:54 AM UTC-7 chris@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm interested. If the date happens to fall in the second half of the 
> month, I'll do my best to be there! First one was a great time. Thanks 
> again to Houston and everyone who came out. 
>
> On Sat, Jun 10, 2023 at 9:42 AM Keith Paugh  wrote:
>
>> Definitely! 
>> I was just thinking we should do this again this summer.
>> I've met some new, not-on-the-google-group L.A. Riv riders to add to the 
>> mix this next time too.
>> k.
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 10, 2023 at 6:41 AM Bryce Dwyer  wrote:
>>
>>> I am! Saturday mornings are best for me but can swing a Friday now and 
>>> then. There’s also July 3rd, a Monday that se folks may have off. 
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 9, 2023 at 10:13 PM Tony Lockhart  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anybody available for a group ride in July? 
>>>>
>>>> @Houston - Thanks for sharing the folder with photos.
>>>> On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 5:08:28 PM UTC-7 tellyoutoday wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This was a great time, thanks for putting it together, Houston. Really 
>>>>> nice meeting everyone!
>>>>>
>>>>> Neale
>>>>> On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 2:37:54 PM UTC-7 Keith P. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> So sorry to have missed this!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looks like it was a hoot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let plan another ride soon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> k.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 28, 2023, at 10:26 AM, Ben Adrian  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Super fun!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A good pile of Rivs. A number of other cool bikes. Even two e-bikes.
>>>>>> Great conversation, everyone was super positive. Total type 1 fun.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See you all at the next one!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ben
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 9:28:47 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Great photos! I’ll definitely be at the next one. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 7:08:04 PM UTC-7 mma...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It was really nice meeting everyone today. Thanks for putting this 
>>>>>>>> together, Houston! -Matt
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [image: 52930629896_37f8dac6c8_k.jpg]
>>>>>>>> [image: 52931014820_aa47186b7d_k.jpg]
>>>>>>>> [image: 52931069163_9fa788d6e4_k.jpg]
>>>>>>>> On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 8:27:54 AM UTC-7 chris@gmail.com 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Same here, see you all in a bit. 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On May 27, 2023, at 8:23 AM, Bryce Dwyer  
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi all — on my way but will likely arrive right at 9:00
>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 9:56:23 AM UTC-7 Houston Wilson 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm looking forward to seeing y'all this Saturday at Griffith for 
>>>>>>>>>> our LA Riv meet-up! All riders are welcome, Riv bike owners or not. 
>>>>>>>>>> Originally, the meet-up was for 8 AM, but I want to push it back an 
>>>>>>>>>> hour to 
>>>>>>>>>> start in some warmer weather. If anyone isn't cool with this, we can 
>>>>>>>>>> always 
>>>>>>>>>> go back to the og time, just LMK.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>&g

[RBW] Re: ROADINI in South Pasadena

[Tony Lockhart]

Apologies if flashing GIF is annoying; you can tell that both bikes are 
VERY similar in size. The Leo rides just as predictably as the Sam, with 
minimal differences. Out of the saddle climbs are more efficient on the 
Leo, and it's not as squirrely with steering as the Sam on slow rolls. The 
Leo tracks a lot better. I will say that the Leo was immediately familiar 
with all of the best riding characteristics just like the Sam. Very curious 
to see how the Leo handles on 40mm tires.


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Re: [RBW] Re: New Bike Day—Retirement Bike

[Tony Lockhart]

Fantastic bike, Roberta. What a great way to kick off your retirement. The 
whole setup is just smart; so much utility. Great choice in components and 
accessories!

Tony

On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 9:53:29 AM UTC-8 SallyG wrote:

> Absolutely wonderful! You are inspired...and inspiring...have fun:)
>
> On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 9:21 AM JohnS  wrote:
>
>> Hello Roberta,
>>
>> I love the painted hearts, hearts on the mud flags and the other red 
>> accents you've added to your Betty. They all add a bit of whimsy to the 
>> bike that made me smile. Should be a great bike to ride. I find that my 
>> Crust Lightning Bolt canti with 650b x 42 tires is my favorite for it's 
>> versatility and comfort.
>>
>> Happy Holidays,
>> JohnS
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 9:25:40 AM UTC-5 thalasin wrote:
>>
>>> That mudflap is spectacular! Beautiful bike and thanks for sharing the 
>>> story.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: ROADINI in South Pasadena

[Tony Lockhart]

Last post for the intro...promise! 


SAM BUILD
After purchasing parts last week, I set this bike up as a 2x8 flat bar 
build with Swift Industries bags and a Wald basket. This is will be for 
biking with family, getting in fitness rides, doing grocery shopping, 
coffee outside vibes, and running errands around town. Heckmaybe even 
some fenders and a kickstand.

LEO BUILD
This will be a 3x8 drop bar build set up for 40-60ish mile road rides on 
the weekend. It'll use an old set of OpenPro/Ultegra with some Panaracers 
Pasellas. In terms of luggage, it'll get a Swift Industries Kestral mounted 
to a Velo Orange decalleur and a tool roll under the saddle. Might be cool 
as a Rando bike but free time in the saddle is limited at this point in my 
life.


Please stay tuned if you have any interest in seeing a comfy road build 
take shape. I'll definitely share insights during and after the build, 
especially as I get acclimated to the new bike. Cheers and Happy New Year!

Tony






On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 11:03:35 AM UTC-8 Tony Lockhart wrote:

> At any rate, the numbers between both frames look pretty similar. Seems 
> like the chainstay on the Leo is 1.7cm shorter than the Sam and the HT/ST 
> angles have a 0.5 degree variation. My guess is that both will feel pretty 
> neutral in handling and I fully expect any Riv to ride amazingly, so I'm 
> not that worried about it. Given the difference in tire size, and lack of 
> luggage on the Roadini, I expect it to feel zippier than my trusty Sam.
> [image: IMG_2718.jpeg]
> *Parts Bin*
> So, I've been building an admirable collection of parts over the years and 
> I finally accumulated enough to build a second bike. Here's a screenshot of 
> the spreadsheet I made to help determine which parts to buy, indicated in 
> yellow highlighting.
> [image: Screen Shot 2023-12-26 at 10.26.45 AM.png]
>
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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day X2

[Tony Lockhart]

Speaking of Homers, any idea when the next run will be? I had something in 
mind like Chef's bikelooks fantastic.

@Tim, can't wait to see updates when you build them up. 

On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 1:06:26 PM UTC-8 Paul Richardson wrote:

> tim you've done the right thing.  i wanna see that roady homer with 
> downtube shifters!!
>
> paul
> takoma park, md.
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Re: [RBW] Re: V-Brake Measurement Request

[Tony Lockhart]

Thanks all!

Just as I suspected, the Shimanos won’t work. BTW, forgot to mention that 
my bike uses 700c wheels. 

Definitely too stubborn to remove my beloved Nitto rack, but curious enough 
to try the Tektros. Will post results when I get them in and attempt and 
install. 

Many thanks for the responses and pics. Cheers,
Tony

On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 11:22:50 AM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:

> I did VO and bent under with my canti setup and power hanger. Not V brakes 
> but work well.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 17, 2023 at 10:52 AM aeroperf  wrote:
>
>> We're running Tektro 837 brakes under a Mark’s Rack on my wife's Platypus.
>> This is the 50Cm Platy with 650b wheels, so your geometry may vary.
>>
>> 4.25 inches from the center of the brake post to the wire, 4.35 inches to 
>> the top of the brake arm, and 5 inches to the bottom of the rack.
>>
>> [image: Front BrakeS.JPG]
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Riders Interactive Map is Live!

[Tony Lockhart]

Great news, John. Thanks for making this happen.

On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 8:59:17 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:

> And with that, Tony, you become the 200th rider on the list!
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 7:50:08 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>
>> Hi John, just added my Hillborne to the list. Thanks!
>>
>> Pretty remarkable to see how many are in the bay area.not so many in 
>> LA. Thanks!
>>
>> On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 10:39:01 AM UTC-7 Caroline Golum wrote:
>>
>>> I love this! Just added me + the Betty, excited to see who else in NYC 
>>> is rocking a Riv <3
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 12:32:53 AM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:
>>>
>>>> Almost 200 riders on the map now, and quite a few lovely photos of some 
>>>> fine Rivs around the world.
>>>>
>>>> See the top of the thread if you want to add a pin.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers, John
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 12:07:35 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Just a reminder on this map if you haven't gone through the thread: 
>>>>> You don't need to put your specific address if you'd rather not. A random 
>>>>> address in your city or town, or a cross street nearby is enough.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, you can add a photo of your bike if you wish. We all love to see 
>>>>> the cool bikes about which we are so passionate!
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers, John
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 4:07:26 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bump on this for those who may have missed it and want to add a pin 
>>>>>> to the map. See the top of the thread for instructions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 6:20:12 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've added Rivendell Dealers to the Riv Rider's Map, and these icons 
>>>>>>> are in blue. I used the addresses found on the Riv website, but I'm not 
>>>>>>> sure if all of these dealers are still dealers or even in business.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If anyone knows what I don't, let me know and I'll update the map.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers, John
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 5:59:52 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ha, Ray! That's a brilliant idea per Keith's caution about using 
>>>>>>>> your specific address. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks, Patrick. I'm working on it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers, John
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 11:38:02 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I like this idea. Please do add this feature.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 7:45 PM John Rinker  
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm playing with the idea of riders being able to add a photo of 
>>>>>>>>>> their bike such that when one clicks on a map pin not only do you 
>>>>>>>>>> get info 
>>>>>>>>>> in the sidebar but also an image of a beautiful bicycle. (You can 
>>>>>>>>>> check out 
>>>>>>>>>> the pin I added at RBW as an example)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Could be a fun addition. Of course, anyone who has more than one 
>>>>>>>>>> Riv would have to make a choice. 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, John
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 9:05:38 AM UTC-7 Drew Saunders wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Good idea! I found the street address of my nearest post office 
>>>>>>>>>>> and changed my answer to that. It's close enough, and if any bike 
>>>>>>>>>>> thieves 
>>>>>>>>>>> go there, they'll be very, very, confused.
>>>>>&g

Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Riders Interactive Map is Live!

[Tony Lockhart]

Hi John, just added my Hillborne to the list. Thanks!

Pretty remarkable to see how many are in the bay area.not so many in 
LA. Thanks!

On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 10:39:01 AM UTC-7 Caroline Golum wrote:

> I love this! Just added me + the Betty, excited to see who else in NYC is 
> rocking a Riv <3
>
> On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 12:32:53 AM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Almost 200 riders on the map now, and quite a few lovely photos of some 
>> fine Rivs around the world.
>>
>> See the top of the thread if you want to add a pin.
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 12:07:35 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> Just a reminder on this map if you haven't gone through the thread: You 
>>> don't need to put your specific address if you'd rather not. A random 
>>> address in your city or town, or a cross street nearby is enough.
>>>
>>> Also, you can add a photo of your bike if you wish. We all love to see 
>>> the cool bikes about which we are so passionate!
>>>
>>> Cheers, John
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 4:07:26 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>>>
 Bump on this for those who may have missed it and want to add a pin to 
 the map. See the top of the thread for instructions.

 On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 6:20:12 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:

> I've added Rivendell Dealers to the Riv Rider's Map, and these icons 
> are in blue. I used the addresses found on the Riv website, but I'm not 
> sure if all of these dealers are still dealers or even in business.
>
> If anyone knows what I don't, let me know and I'll update the map.
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 5:59:52 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Ha, Ray! That's a brilliant idea per Keith's caution about using your 
>> specific address. 
>>
>> Thanks, Patrick. I'm working on it.
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 11:38:02 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I like this idea. Please do add this feature.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 7:45 PM John Rinker  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'm playing with the idea of riders being able to add a photo of 
 their bike such that when one clicks on a map pin not only do you get 
 info 
 in the sidebar but also an image of a beautiful bicycle. (You can 
 check out 
 the pin I added at RBW as an example)

 Could be a fun addition. Of course, anyone who has more than one 
 Riv would have to make a choice. 

 Cheers, John

 On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 9:05:38 AM UTC-7 Drew Saunders wrote:

> Good idea! I found the street address of my nearest post office 
> and changed my answer to that. It's close enough, and if any bike 
> thieves 
> go there, they'll be very, very, confused.
>
> On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 10:05:08 PM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> This is great.  Thanks for putting it together! 
>>  I have couple of suggestions, more for the participant 
>> pi-droppers than for John:
>>
>> 1)  Please be cautious and think twice about listing your actual 
>> home address.  Especially if you live somewhere like Denver or 
>> Oakland, 
>> where bike theft is a major industry.  Thieves could use this info 
>> to 
>> stake-out and target your place.
>>
>> 2)  it would be great to list the model(s) and size(s) of bikes 
>> you own.  So many times I wish I could have test-ridden something, 
>> but 
>> didn't know how to find an example nearby.  This could really help.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 5:33:44 PM UTC-6 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> The map is growing nicely! Got riders in Oceania and Europe on 
>>> the map! Still awaiting the first rider in Sri Lanka to pop up.
>>>
>>> If you've added yourself, to the map please note that you can 
>>> edit your responses in case you...I don't know...get a new bike? 
>>> Change 
>>> your riding style? Misspelled your name? Move from Arizona to 
>>> Babylonia? 
>>>
>>> To do this, simply click on the 'Riv Rider Registration' and you 
>>> can choose to 'Edit your response.' 
>>>
>>> Cheers, John
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 12:59:58 PM UTC-8 John Rinker 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 The Map of Riv Riders is ready!* Thanks to Dave's example of 
 the 'Unicycle Community Map' I've put together a similar 
 interactive map 
 that Riv Riders can now populate with your location. 

 As mentioned, the purpose of this map is to help Riv riders 
 find each other, connect 

Re: [RBW] Re: Los Angeles Riv Ride

[Tony Lockhart]

Anybody available for a group ride in July? 

@Houston - Thanks for sharing the folder with photos.
On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 5:08:28 PM UTC-7 tellyoutoday wrote:

> This was a great time, thanks for putting it together, Houston. Really 
> nice meeting everyone!
>
> Neale
> On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 2:37:54 PM UTC-7 Keith P. wrote:
>
>> So sorry to have missed this!
>>
>> Looks like it was a hoot.
>>
>> Let plan another ride soon.
>>
>> k.
>>
>> On May 28, 2023, at 10:26 AM, Ben Adrian  wrote:
>>
>> Super fun!
>>
>> A good pile of Rivs. A number of other cool bikes. Even two e-bikes.
>> Great conversation, everyone was super positive. Total type 1 fun.
>>
>> See you all at the next one!
>>
>> Ben
>>
>> On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 9:28:47 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>>
>>> Great photos! I’ll definitely be at the next one. 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 7:08:04 PM UTC-7 mma...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> It was really nice meeting everyone today. Thanks for putting this 
>>>> together, Houston! -Matt
>>>>
>>>> [image: 52930629896_37f8dac6c8_k.jpg]
>>>> [image: 52931014820_aa47186b7d_k.jpg]
>>>> [image: 52931069163_9fa788d6e4_k.jpg]
>>>> On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 8:27:54 AM UTC-7 chris@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Same here, see you all in a bit. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 27, 2023, at 8:23 AM, Bryce Dwyer  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all — on my way but will likely arrive right at 9:00
>>>>> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 9:56:23 AM UTC-7 Houston Wilson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm looking forward to seeing y'all this Saturday at Griffith for our 
>>>>>> LA Riv meet-up! All riders are welcome, Riv bike owners or not. 
>>>>>> Originally, 
>>>>>> the meet-up was for 8 AM, but I want to push it back an hour to start in 
>>>>>> some warmer weather. If anyone isn't cool with this, we can always go 
>>>>>> back 
>>>>>> to the og time, just LMK.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *As a reminder, here are the details:*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When: 9 AM 
>>>>>> Where: Franklin's Cafe across from the Greek at 2650 N Vermont Ave, 
>>>>>> Los Angeles, CA 90027
>>>>>> Route: Loop around Vista del Valle to the Observatory around 10 mi 
>>>>>> with 1k ft. of climbing
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Optional Extras: If people want, we can throw in a pie stop at House 
>>>>>> of Pies after the Observatory &/or add on the Hollywood Sign climb for 
>>>>>> folks who want to do some more climbing!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Houston
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 3:55:01 PM UTC-7 dwyer...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm planning on attending as well. Also thinking about the "single 
>>>>>>> scoop" for the LA Invitational. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 2:04 PM David Person  
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've marked my calendar.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 8:32:49 AM UTC-7 Houston Wilson 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [image: RBWLAMeetup.jpg]
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 7:56:40 AM UTC-7 Houston Wilson 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi y'all,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for all of your feedback/responses! It's looking like 
>>>>>>>>>> May 27th has the highest level of availability! We can always adjust 
>>>>>>>>>> specifics closer to the date, but for now let's keep the 
>>>>>>>>>> morning/afternoon 
>>>>>>>>>> of the 27th open. As a tentative plan, let's meet at Franklin's Cafe 
>>>>>&

Re: [RBW] Re: Los Angeles Riv Ride

[Tony Lockhart]

Great photos! I’ll definitely be at the next one. 

On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 7:08:04 PM UTC-7 mma...@gmail.com wrote:

> It was really nice meeting everyone today. Thanks for putting this 
> together, Houston! -Matt
>
> [image: 52930629896_37f8dac6c8_k.jpg]
> [image: 52931014820_aa47186b7d_k.jpg]
> [image: 52931069163_9fa788d6e4_k.jpg]
> On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 8:27:54 AM UTC-7 chris@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Same here, see you all in a bit. 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 27, 2023, at 8:23 AM, Bryce Dwyer  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> Hi all — on my way but will likely arrive right at 9:00
>> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 9:56:23 AM UTC-7 Houston Wilson wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> I'm looking forward to seeing y'all this Saturday at Griffith for our LA 
>>> Riv meet-up! All riders are welcome, Riv bike owners or not. Originally, 
>>> the meet-up was for 8 AM, but I want to push it back an hour to start in 
>>> some warmer weather. If anyone isn't cool with this, we can always go back 
>>> to the og time, just LMK.
>>>
>>> *As a reminder, here are the details:*
>>>
>>> When: 9 AM 
>>> Where: Franklin's Cafe across from the Greek at 2650 N Vermont Ave, Los 
>>> Angeles, CA 90027
>>> Route: Loop around Vista del Valle to the Observatory around 10 mi with 
>>> 1k ft. of climbing
>>>
>>> Optional Extras: If people want, we can throw in a pie stop at House of 
>>> Pies after the Observatory &/or add on the Hollywood Sign climb for folks 
>>> who want to do some more climbing!
>>>
>>> -Houston
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 3:55:01 PM UTC-7 dwyer...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm planning on attending as well. Also thinking about the "single 
>>>> scoop" for the LA Invitational. 
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 2:04 PM David Person  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've marked my calendar.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 8:32:49 AM UTC-7 Houston Wilson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> [image: RBWLAMeetup.jpg]
>>>>>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 7:56:40 AM UTC-7 Houston Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi y'all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you for all of your feedback/responses! It's looking like May 
>>>>>>> 27th has the highest level of availability! We can always adjust 
>>>>>>> specifics 
>>>>>>> closer to the date, but for now let's keep the morning/afternoon of the 
>>>>>>> 27th open. As a tentative plan, let's meet at Franklin's Cafe across 
>>>>>>> from 
>>>>>>> the Greek at 8 am. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Isaac and Matt, I'm gonna try to make it out to the Cub House that 
>>>>>>> weekend...it looks so sick! 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So excited to meet everyone! 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Houston
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 7:48:04 AM UTC-7 mma...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Valley head checking in; I can't commit to any May dates but wanted 
>>>>>>>> rep the set.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For awareness, Isaac is talking about the 2023 Los Angeles 
>>>>>>>> Invitational (Everyone's invited) 5/20 - 5/21 
>>>>>>>> <https://www.losangelesinvitational.com/>. John Prolly's write 
>>>>>>>> 2022 write-up: A Weekend at The Cub House’s 2022 LA Invitational 
>>>>>>>> <https://theradavist.com/2022-la-invitational-cub-house/>
>>>>>>>> I signed up for the 55 mile ride on Saturday and reserved a spot at 
>>>>>>>> the swap. It's a great event and everyone is super nice. The swap is 
>>>>>>>> really 
>>>>>>>> good too because sellers usually have interesting or high end items.
>>>>>>>> -Matt
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [image: losangelesinvitational.jpg]
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 9:14:29 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>

[RBW] Re: lock ring too tight

[Tony Lockhart]

Hi Adam, 

Sorry to hear about the complications. I’m curious to see close-up pictures 
of the damage.

Depending on how much risk you’re comfortable with I think you could take 
progressively longer rides to make sure everything is OK. In this situation 
I would remove the parts, inspect, reinstall, and torque to the proper 
spec…. Followed by a number of rides that increasing distance. This might 
be a good teachable moment for you, and I don’t think being cautious could 
hurt you.

Good luck!
Tony

On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 7:06:35 AM UTC-7 Adam wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Asking for thoughts on a silly mistake that I made last night.
>
> I was in the process of replacing a cassette (had not tried this myself 
> before) and I cranked way too hard on a fairly long wrench and 
> over-tightened the lock ring. It dug into the cassette and produced some 
> little shards. (I did grease the threads, and don't think it's 
> cross-threaded, all was fine until the END)
>
> The question: does it make better sense to try to fix this now (loosen and 
> re-tighten), or should I just save this problem for an older, wiser me in a 
> year or two when I change the cassette again?
>
> I know I should get a torque wrench, but . . .
>
> THANKS!
>
> Adam
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Los Angeles Riv Ride

[Tony Lockhart]

@isaac -- The Cub House events are right around the corner from 
meexcellent bike shop. And their community events are a blast. 
Definitely a great opportunity for a Pasadena ride especially since there 
are a ton of good coffee shops in the area.

@bryce -- Yep, that was orange Sam at Palomares Adobe. What a great 
location. My daughter and I were attending the 626 event and happened upon 
the grounds. Will definitely go back there with the rest of the family in 
the future. BTW, your Atlantis looks dialed in. Really love the handlebar 
setup, and will probably go that route once the Roaduno frames come out.

On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 2:03:38 PM UTC-7 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:

> Griffith Park would be doable for me 20th or 27th. 
>
> David 
> Black & Tan Sam
> Thousand Oaks
>
> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 11:54:53 AM UTC-7 dwyer...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all –– Atlantis rider in the Pomona Valley here. I could likely make 
>> the 20th or the 27th, with a preference for the 27th.
>>
>> Tony: I think that was my Atlantis you saw! I'd guess that was your 
>> parked orange Riv at the Palomares Adobe that I saw too. What a coincidence!
>>
>> The Mt. Hollywood route is definitely a climb but it has some great 
>> payoff! I usually just take a break or two on my way up.
>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 9:00:35 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>>
>>> I can make it on the 13th or 27th. Also, I teach for a living so the 
>>> schedule's wide open during the summer.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 10:21:18 AM UTC-7 Keith P. wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am available on the 13th, but might be flexible on the 20th
>>>>
>>>> k.
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 25, 2023, at 9:35 AM, Brian Cunningham  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Of those 3 dates, I’m only available on the 27th, but my tricky 
>>>> schedule is not everyone else’s problem. I’ll join you if that ends up 
>>>> being the best date for all parties involved.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Brian 
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 25, 2023, at 8:10 AM, Houston Wilson  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yay, I'm loving hearing from y'all!
>>>>
>>>> 1. *Anyone have a preference for May 13th, 20th, or 27th?*
>>>>
>>>> 2. Regarding the route, it seems like most folks are out east, so 
>>>> Griffith seems like the best option. 
>>>>
>>>> Ted D.--point taken about Griffith + Hollywood sign not being very 
>>>> chill. So, probably best to just stick to griffith, but if anyone wants to 
>>>> ride to the Hollywood sign after, I'd be super down! 
>>>>
>>>> So, I'm thinking meet by the Greek and do a little loop up to Vista del 
>>>> Valle and around to the Observatory. This would be about 8 mi with ~1000 
>>>> ft. of elevation. *I don't ride in griffith a ton, so if anyone has 
>>>> route suggestions/food spots to hit up before/after...please share haha! *
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 7:24:40 AM UTC-7 Bryan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi! I might be able to make it, schedule permitting. Sounds fun!
>>>>>
>>>>> Bryan Edgar 
>>>>> Valley Village
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 9:18:43 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Count me in. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm in South Pasadena (orange Hillborne bought in 2009). Haven't 
>>>>>> browsed this forum in a few years, but decided to check in because I 
>>>>>> wanted 
>>>>>> to go on a group ride. Oddly enough, I saw a parked Atlantis at the 626 
>>>>>> Golden Streets event yesterday. Seems like the perfect time to meet up 
>>>>>> with 
>>>>>> some other folks, especially since some of the newer Rivs look 
>>>>>> drastically 
>>>>>> different.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Tony
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 11:08:22 AM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey all!
>>>>>>> I will be out of the country for about two weeks in MAY, but would 
>>>>>>> love to join if I am in town. By no means should the scheduling be done 
>>>>>>> around my availability.
>>>

Re: [RBW] Re: Los Angeles Riv Ride

[Tony Lockhart]

I can make it on the 13th or 27th. Also, I teach for a living so the 
schedule's wide open during the summer.

On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 10:21:18 AM UTC-7 Keith P. wrote:

> I am available on the 13th, but might be flexible on the 20th
>
> k.
>
> On Apr 25, 2023, at 9:35 AM, Brian Cunningham  
> wrote:
>
> Of those 3 dates, I’m only available on the 27th, but my tricky schedule 
> is not everyone else’s problem. I’ll join you if that ends up being the 
> best date for all parties involved.
>
>
> Brian 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 25, 2023, at 8:10 AM, Houston Wilson  wrote:
>
> Yay, I'm loving hearing from y'all!
>
> 1. *Anyone have a preference for May 13th, 20th, or 27th?*
>
> 2. Regarding the route, it seems like most folks are out east, so Griffith 
> seems like the best option. 
>
> Ted D.--point taken about Griffith + Hollywood sign not being very chill. 
> So, probably best to just stick to griffith, but if anyone wants to ride to 
> the Hollywood sign after, I'd be super down! 
>
> So, I'm thinking meet by the Greek and do a little loop up to Vista del 
> Valle and around to the Observatory. This would be about 8 mi with ~1000 
> ft. of elevation. *I don't ride in griffith a ton, so if anyone has route 
> suggestions/food spots to hit up before/after...please share haha! *
>
> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 7:24:40 AM UTC-7 Bryan wrote:
>
>> Hi! I might be able to make it, schedule permitting. Sounds fun!
>>
>> Bryan Edgar 
>> Valley Village
>>
>> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 9:18:43 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>>
>>> Count me in. 
>>>
>>> I'm in South Pasadena (orange Hillborne bought in 2009). Haven't browsed 
>>> this forum in a few years, but decided to check in because I wanted to go 
>>> on a group ride. Oddly enough, I saw a parked Atlantis at the 626 Golden 
>>> Streets event yesterday. Seems like the perfect time to meet up with some 
>>> other folks, especially since some of the newer Rivs look drastically 
>>> different.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Tony
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 11:08:22 AM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey all!
>>>> I will be out of the country for about two weeks in MAY, but would love 
>>>> to join if I am in town. By no means should the scheduling be done around 
>>>> my availability.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers!
>>>> Ben
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 10:34:17 AM UTC-7 Keith P. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I remember Ben/bunnyadrian planning a local ride last year.
>>>>> Has he seen this yet?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 10:17:19 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 4:40:12 PM UTC-5 Houston Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Depending on where most folks are located, I think it could be cool 
>>>>>> to do the Will Rogers inspiration loop in the Western Santa Monica's or 
>>>>>> a 
>>>>>> Griffith Park/Hollywood Sign moment. Regardless, it'd be a chill pace 
>>>>>> with 
>>>>>> a cafe stop or two thrown in. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think I'm going to make it out that way in May. In fact, my 
>>>>>> LA daughter is planning to come here for a week. I'll watch the thread 
>>>>>> with 
>>>>>> interest, though. As for the route ... I can't imagine Griffith 
>>>>>> Park/Hollywood Sign being a very "chill" ride - that's a lot of 
>>>>>> climbing! 
>>>>>> But it's beautiful and fun.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ted Durant
>>>>>> Milwaukee, WI (and occasionally Alhambra, CA) 
>>>>>>
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[RBW] Re: Los Angeles Riv Ride

[Tony Lockhart]

Count me in. 

I'm in South Pasadena (orange Hillborne bought in 2009). Haven't browsed 
this forum in a few years, but decided to check in because I wanted to go 
on a group ride. Oddly enough, I saw a parked Atlantis at the 626 Golden 
Streets event yesterday. Seems like the perfect time to meet up with some 
other folks, especially since some of the newer Rivs look drastically 
different.

Cheers,
Tony

On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 11:08:22 AM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey all!
> I will be out of the country for about two weeks in MAY, but would love to 
> join if I am in town. By no means should the scheduling be done around my 
> availability.
>
> Cheers!
> Ben
>
> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 10:34:17 AM UTC-7 Keith P. wrote:
>
>> I remember Ben/bunnyadrian planning a local ride last year.
>> Has he seen this yet?
>>
>> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 10:17:19 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 4:40:12 PM UTC-5 Houston Wilson wrote:
>>>
>>> Depending on where most folks are located, I think it could be cool to 
>>> do the Will Rogers inspiration loop in the Western Santa Monica's or a 
>>> Griffith Park/Hollywood Sign moment. Regardless, it'd be a chill pace with 
>>> a cafe stop or two thrown in. 
>>>
>>> I don't think I'm going to make it out that way in May. In fact, my LA 
>>> daughter is planning to come here for a week. I'll watch the thread with 
>>> interest, though. As for the route ... I can't imagine Griffith 
>>> Park/Hollywood Sign being a very "chill" ride - that's a lot of climbing! 
>>> But it's beautiful and fun.
>>>
>>> Ted Durant
>>> Milwaukee, WI (and occasionally Alhambra, CA) 
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

[Tony Lockhart]

Solid bike---glad that you got it back. I'm liking that drivetrain with the 
triple up front; you can tackle anything with this bike.

On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 8:00:09 PM UTC-7 Pancake wrote:

> Love mine with v-brakes - that’s what makes it perfect to me really so I’m 
> thrilled I got a prototype. But they’re right about mini-v-brakes just not 
> quite working. I tried 4 different models with different arm lengths 
> (82-90mm) and it was never right: too much pull required to get pad to rim 
> contact, but then too much mechanical advantage so very limited modulation. 
>
> But with standard v-brakes (with linear pull / long pull) the bike shines. 
> Modulation but also super stopping power that caliper and sidepull brakes 
> can’t match. That’s why it is replacing my Sam instead of the Sam getting 
> brake mounts welded on. 
>
> I’ve probably put 2,000 miles of this bike and it’s almost always my go 
> to: commuting or dirt or a century ride - I’d be happy with the 
> proto-Charlie for any of those! 
>
> Inverted albatross bars are perfect for 22.2mm v-brake lever clamps while 
> giving a super shallow drop position. Bar ends mounted forward in the curve 
> of the albatross bars gives a hood-like position I love too.
>
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[RBW] Re: Experiences with Atlantis

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I've ridden thousands of miles of Midwest gravel on my Toyo Atlantis; 200 
of them were racing the Dirty Kanza. I switched to a Salsa Fargo for 
serious gravel riding because of comfort, disc brakes, and tire clearance. 
I can barely squeeze 700x50 on the rear of the Atlantis and the brakes and 
kickstand bracket collect a lot of mud when things get nasty. If I were to 
choose a Riv for all road/gravel, it would be the Appaloosa.

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[RBW] Re: Velocity Quill experiences?

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I have Velocity Quill on my Toyo Atlantis with 700x50 Soma Cazadero tires; 
the rims are awesome, but the tire/frame clearance it tight. I chose the 
Quill over the A23 because they were tubeless compatible and their wider 
inside width.  Our Salsa Powderkeg tandem has a Cliffhanger with dynamo on 
the front, and I will replace the Stan's rim on the back with a Cliffhanger 
as soon as I decide which hub I want to use. I'm leaning towards Hadley.

I'm not a weight weenie, but I can't imagine a better place to increase 
bicycle performance (besides the human motor) than wheels/tires.

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[RBW] Re: anybody tried WTB Riddlers?

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I will be anxious to hear how the Riddlers compare to the Cazaderos. I have 
a new set of tubless 45 Riddlers in my tire stash, but I was able to 
squeeze the 50 Cazaderos on my Toyo Atlantis and I absolutely love them.

On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 3:11:01 PM UTC-5, Neil Doran wrote:
>
> Anybody tried 'em? Was ogling them at my LBS and they look quite 
> nicegreat volume, and look like they would roll pretty well. Coming off 
> a well-worn set of Soma Cazaderos and new tires are in my future.
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[RBW] Re: Badge Poster - March 2019

[Tony DeFilippo]

Marty as always thanks for this public service. I always enjoy seeing the 
posters!

Tony

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Re: [RBW] NAHBS film photo challenge

[Tony DeFilippo]

Great challenge, I'll enjoy the results though I won't be going to NAHBS.

David thanks for sharing your him blog, very thorough and interesting post 
about diafine.  I think my mind was blown by this content;

"As long as you’re sticking to the film speed guidelines, you can mix and match 
films in your developing tank and trust that everything will turn out"

I haven't film developed or shot much film myself in going on 5 years but this 
discussion has me a bit itchy to do so.

Tony

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[RBW] Re: 55cm Joe Appa owners, what's your pbh?

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I test rode the 55 Appaloosa that Rivendell had in the shop last Summer. 
I'm 5'10 with an 89 pbh. It fit, but I probably would have preferred a 58. 
I think that a 55 would fit you very well.

>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[Tony DeFilippo]

Pure fantasy but my ideal'Riv 25th Anniversary' design would be... Open up the 
full historical design catalog so long as lugs still exist to support, pre 
order with full deposit only.  Any design that gets 5 or more orders (whatever 
threshold is driven by River and their builder to ensure a profit) makes the 
cut.

Have Grant and the team develop a special head badge and Rivendell decal set, 
number then, Grant hand sign them... And somehow have a secondary decal that 
notes the particular model heritage. Maybe make the colors limited and a 
special pallet... Maybe a single color!?!

No geometry changes, only the stock sides available originally. No protovelos, 
no customs, but any stock design advertised in a catalog or reader.  Maybe 
include Bridgestone 1994 catalog? :)

Everyone would theoretically be able to get what they wanted (so long as they 
bring 4 friends along to their way of thinking).  And if Riv kept the deposit 
list live and public we'd have the ultimate all time popularity contest for Riv 
bike designs.

New, new stock, special edition Riv All Rounder, 1 of 5, and it says Rivendell 
on it, that fits...  :)



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[RBW] Re: With Abandon photoblog to move to... where?

[Tony DeFilippo]

I like it! Photos and words... Nothing else. Will it let you write a narrative 
separate from a specific photo?  Not absolutely necessary I suppose.

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Re: [RBW] Re: clean-ish routing for generator lights

[Tony DeFilippo]

After checking in with Grant on my Saluki I drilled a hole in the downtube to 
head tube lug window which I then chamfered.  The exit hole is about an inch up 
the seat tube also chamfered.  Drilling the frame isn't for the faint of heart 
but it worked for me and does clean up the wiring.  My correspondence from 
Grant was that both locations were structurally safe to drill a wire sized 
hole.  

Tony

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Re: [RBW] Re: HubbuhHubbuh email from Riv & donation idea

[Tony DeFilippo]

Did Will / Riv have any ideas for an alternative worthy cause or home for a
donated HHH?

No I-told-you-so's from me, it was (and still is) a good idea worth
pursuing and it's very kind of you to have donated your time and attention
to it.  I hope something can be worked out with it as a donation.

Tony


On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 3:47 PM Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles <
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> Dear Bunch,
>
> I have some unfortunate news for the group...Christine has bowed out for
> the donation sighting a heavy commitment at school.  I don't want to
> over-analyze and dwell on the past too much so I think we should carry on.
>
> If you were skeptical from the beginning, please refrain from the
> I-told-you-so's, if even to prevent my fragile ego from going to pieces ;-)
>
> Question is, where shall we go from here?  Should we have Denise reach out
> to Dave White from Blind Stokers SD?
>
> I've been in contact with GoFundMe and the only course forward is to
> refund the donationshowever they would happily coordinate an email to
> all the refunded participants saying that the NEW fundraiser is now
> hereetc.
>
>
>
> Thanks for being such a wonderful bunch...I'll await your sage advice.
> And sorry in advance if this is an emotional drain on any of you (it is for
> me a little bit).  I never in a million years would think someone would
> turn down delivery of a fully functional tandem perfect for their charge
> (wide size range, beginner friendly...FREE!)
>
>
>
> Alex in Rochester, NY
>
>
> PPS I spoke with Will about the whole situation and their number did not
> factor-in Christine's HHH because her deposit wasn't timely enough.  He did
> indicate that he'd be happy to assign one of the "extras" if a second
> effort was successful.
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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW 25 -Atlantic side of things

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Love the idea of an East Coast Moot, closer to DC would be ideal but I'd love 
to try and make a NE it SE venue to!

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[RBW] Re: Shoes for rambling.

[Tony DeFilippo]

I've been loving a pair of red wing weekender chukkas, the tread hooks up like 
Velcro on VP pedals.  To be honest I've been wearing them for just about all 
occasions since October.  Pricy but should last and they are re-soleable.

Tony

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Re: [RBW] Seeking wisdom of 29+ bikepacking vs. 2.1”

[Tony DeFilippo]

I haven't bike packed, but I've ridden 2.1, 2.3 and 3" tires on singletrack, 
paved, and towpath... If the terrain is anything other than paved my preference 
is wider the better. If climbing on non paved routes the wider, knobby tires 
become magic Velcro and add a nice stability margin for the slow grinding...

Obviously you can do without and are doing it with style already.  But unless 
you have trouble dialing in you're tire pressure on the larger volume plus 
tires I don't see a downside.  I'm not terribly sensitive to being off a bit on 
the pressure so no down side for me.

If love to see you riding a Boots, or if you can forgive the unpleasant 
conversation and find a 135mm rear spacing Jones I really agree with Eric that 
you'd be thrilled with the riding experience.

Tony

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[RBW] Re: Just your average Clem Smith.... not!

[Tony DeFilippo]

I saw a ton of these hydro linear pull brakes in Germany last year on a visit 
and some to a bike shop about them.  Definitely commonplace and there didn't 
seem to be any concerns about failure at least in a touring it commuting setup. 
 The same shop was also fairly dismissive about the need for disc brakes on a 
city or touring bike when I asked.  In their mind the discs are specialist 
equipment for muddy/wet conditions off road.

My personal experience with hydro disc brakes on my Jones has been flawless and 
I chose hydros again for my new unicrown Jones the bleed procedure does require 
extra equipment though it's not as complex as you might think.

Tony

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[RBW] Re: Fun random happening at RBWHQ

[Tony]

Like the beard Bill.

Tony


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[RBW] New Mary Poppins bike content

[Tony DeFilippo]

Took my daughter, wife and Mom to the movie today, overall very well done. My 2 
1/2 year old actually made it through the whole thing, awake, and no one had 
their experience ruined!  

Anyway, bike content galore... The lamp lighters ride a city/dutch/cargo bike 
with a stowed ladder for servicing the lamps.  The main lamp lighter Jack's 
bike features prominently but there's even a grand mass bike ride romp through 
the London streets with some tricks at the end and it looked great.  Should 
prompt some kiddo's having fun on bikes in the coming year for sure.

Hope everyone is enjoying the holidays.

Tony

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[RBW] Re: Hubert's Shoe Grease - Pine Tar AND Bees Wax

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Evan

Obenauf's was developed by a wildland firefighter that walked through wet 
ashes all day in expensive leather boots; it soaks into the leather 
protecting it from the harsh conditions. The Montana Pitch Blend didn't 
soak in as well and left the leather tacky and darkened it more than the 
Obenauf's did. I don't ride leather saddles on my bicycles, but I do use 
the Obenauf's on my hunting boots and horse tack. Many of the high-end boot 
manufactures put their label on Obenauf's LP; I used to buy the overruns 
from Obenauf's at a reduced price.

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[RBW] Re: 61.5 Homer on a beautiful December Day

[Tony DeFilippo]

Sweet looking bike and scenery, the luggage is also superb!

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[RBW] Re: Hubert's Shoe Grease - Pine Tar AND Bees Wax

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Probably because Obenauf's is better.

Before I discovered Obenauf's LP, I used a similar product, Montana Pitch 
Blend, but I've had better luck with Obenauf's.

On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 9:15:16 PM UTC-6, Meade Anderson wrote:
>
> https://www.instagram.com/p/Brl1nrWlnBC/
>
> There's still time for that last minute gift to yourself...but why hasn't 
> Grant informed us of this Pine Tar & Bees Wax elixir for leather...I'm 
> going to see how it works on the old work boots...wood cutting season is on 
> us and my black beast is eating thru my stockpile...
>
> meade
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Re: [RBW] Re: HubbuhHubbuh email from Riv & donation idea

[Tony DeFilippo]

Love the idea, threw some cash in the pile... Looks like we're nearly to the 
frame price.

HHH is a such a superb tandem, I hope this helps makes the next order available 
to anyone who missed out.

I'm a 6'/90pbh Captain very comfortable on a size small by the way.  I can't 
imagine the large to be honest.  

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[RBW] Re: Did you have a 2018 cycling goal? Did you achieve it?

[Tony DeFilippo]

Great thread, great responses!

Mileage wise I didn't really have a hard goal but I am thrilled that I'm 
already 500 miles over my total from last year which speaks to alot of good 
times on the bike.  The main thing has been continuing the trend I started 
last fall of extending my morning commutes in particular, even if it's only 
an extra mile or so... it keeps the ride fresh, adds some miles and keeps 
me in touch with so much more of the city.  Getting up earlier has also 
offered occasional opportunities for pre-work coffee meetups which has been 
awesome.

Family-bike goals were just to get my daughter (now 2 1/2) to enjoy being 
on the bike and to get out as a family as much as possible.  Both of those 
goals were definitely a success.  My daughter loves the bike, both her Yepp 
front seat and burley trailer.  She'll definitely move on to a balance bike 
next year which I'm excited about.  I'm overdue a post on my HHH but 
sufficient for here to say I love the bike and have been thrilled with the 
purchase.

Tony

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Allrounder Cockpit/Parts Change Up

[Tony DeFilippo]

Great looking bike! So long as the fixed reach in the bullmoose works for you I 
don't see any reason it won't work.  The Riv AR really is a sweet frame and 
represents such a neat moment at the start of Rivendell.  I'm always a sucker 
for the Riv headbadge to.

Let us know how it goes!

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Re: [RBW] Re: 3 Days of Riding in the Northern Sierras - Ride report

[Tony DeFilippo]

Congrats on the successful trip and thanks for sharing, the report and the 
photos!

Your Clem looks ready for more action.  Anything you'd change on your packing 
list?  It looks like you were pretty well dialed in.

Tony

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Re: [RBW] Re: In praise of fixed mountain riding

[Tony DeFilippo]

Patrick and others - thanks for the very thorough answer to my question
about pedal retention.  I tend to ride with the middle of my foot on the
pedal so no clips or straps have ever worked well for me... And I haven't
missed them.  I do like the heavily spiked VP platforms on all my bikes
though.  I'm glad to hear that it may not be required for safe fixed riding.

I'm going to throw a set of VP's and a new chain on my ANT and try fixed
this week... I'm looking forward to it, thanks again for the info and
inspiration!

Tony


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> Riding without retention, but with spiked platform pedals sacrifices
> highspeed spinning and low speed climbing some, but if your focus is
> trails, the ease of on/off may well be worth it. On trails, this generally
> means only losing a small amount of steeper hill climbing.
>
> With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Stein's 'Hypercracker' Tool and Riv Dropouts

[Tony]

On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 10:21:20 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>
> The recommended torque rating for a cassette lockring is typically 40 
> N-m.  
> Bill  'setting my own torque ratings since 1982' Lindsay
>

I remember Grant writing that cassettes cranked down to 30 N-m is how bikes 
leave Rivendell. I have used that for 9+ years with no safety problem and 
an easy enough time getting the lockring loose that I routinely take the 
cassette off as part of a chain clean.

Tony

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell offerings I'm thankful for

[Tony DeFilippo]

Thankful to Riv/Grant;

1. Just Ride and Eat Bacon... Both changed my life for the better.

2. This community, it's my favorite semi-virtual group.  

3. The HHH - not my first Riv, and I'm only 9 months in but this bike delivers 
on its promises in a way that is rare in bikes or any other item.

Happy Thanksgiving!

Tony

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Re: [RBW] Re: In praise of fixed mountain riding

[Tony DeFilippo]

Ok ok ok... I'm going to put a new chain (longer to account for the larger cog) 
on the ANT and give fixed a try next week.

Patrick, it any other fixed riders - are toe clips or some other kind of 
foot-pedal retention device recommended/required?  I noticed on your Hunqabeam 
Patrick that you have some kind of wide strap on your pedals.  Thanks,

Tony

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Re: [RBW] Rosco Bebe in the BLUG

[Tony DeFilippo]

Btw I use the yepp mini on our 52 Clementine, small HHH, 59 XO3 and recently a 
57 ANT...  The extra TT length promised by this new Riv frame would only makes 
riding with a front seat better.  I definitely knock my knees a bit on the 
Clementine and xo3 particularly.

Tony

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Re: [RBW] Rosco Bebe in the BLUG

[Tony DeFilippo]

My 2 1/2 year old ~30lbs daughter still loves the yepp mini.  She's tall enough 
that my 5'5" wife is no longer comfortable being able to negotiate the toddler 
helmet knocking her chin but for my 6' self it's not an issue.  

My daughter loves it, each seat has a weight limit/recommendation.  Front 
seating can move past the strapped in seat with a cycle truck/Euro style small 
saddle mounted up on the TT once they are old enough to sit on a saddle.  I 
plan to transition to that next summer most likely.

We also use a Burley trailer for rides she seems likely to fall asleep on.

Tony

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[RBW] Re: wheel build suggestions

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The Velo Orange Grand Cru Touring Hub is still available in the 10-speed 
version for $120 on their website. I ordered a set of Velocity Quills with 
a raw unpolished or anodized finish because I wanted silver rims, but I 
didn't want them polished. My front hub is a NOS White Industries that I 
found on bikerecyclery.com.  The wheels turned out great, but the 700x50 
Soma Cazaderos barely fit on the rear of my Atlantis.

On Saturday, November 10, 2018 at 12:35:20 PM UTC-6, bo richardson wrote:
>
> my atlantis was loaned to a friend who was going to do some work on it for 
> me. 
> a young womman on her cell phone hit him and the bike. he ended up on the 
> hood. 
> Michael is banged up, mostlyok but wont know for sure till osteo visit on 
> the 20th. 
> the bike seems mostly ok. Brooks is damaged, tape is damaged, rear wheel 
> is wrecked. 
>
> Am planning shop-based both wheel rebuild. Schmidt front hub. 
> Rear hub i think is DX, ie shimano 105quality. 
>
> is there a price/value upgrade hub i should buy? it will probably be out 
> of my pocket 
> I dont want White or Phil expense. LX.?IRD? 
> Will keep Schmidt front hub. 
>
> What about nice silver rims? I usually run 1.5” tires.  But possible next 
> owner may want wider tires? 
>
> Thanks 
> Bo Richardson 
> Bellingham 
>
> Thanks for crowdsourced expertise. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Surprise New Bike Day

[Tony DeFilippo]

Ted - Thank you!! I think 35mm might just work! Anyone have a single or set
of used up 35 mm tires they’d part with for shipping costs i can try out?
Doesn’t have to be anything fancy just roughly true to size.

Pete - yes it is, I flipped the rear wheel and found that the chain length
is marginal for the larger fixed cog...i’ll fix that shortly and give it a
try, it’ll be a first for me when i get it working.

First thorn on the rose... the seat-post is frozen, hard. Lucky its
rideable as is but if it doesn’t work free I’ll have a fun job at some
point unstucking it.

Craig I too enjoy that imagery!


On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 20:11 Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Craig: I love that imagery. I'm debating hard about ordering a singlespeed
> Truss Bike - it's a lot of cash, so maybe.. - and it's totally the
> post-Apocalyptic get outta town bike! 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Surprise New Bike Day

[Tony DeFilippo]

I don't know the story of how the bike came to Velocity but it's a
respected shop in a pretty well to do area... They pass a couple gems
through every year.

The black frame is pretty forgiving, the photos don't show just how much
abuse the bike has seen, I do know it wasn't rideable when it came in,
getting a complete overhaul...

When I reached out Mike Flanagan couldn't identify the bike or the person
he built it for other than to say it was one of his very early and custom
efforts.  Very friendly and cool guy by the way.

Tony




On Fri, Nov 9, 2018, 15:08 Tom Wyland  You would be surprised what people give away or sell for cheap when it's a
> little dirty or rusty. Someone had a bike trainer for $90 on Craigslist. He
> was giving away the bike that he used with it.  Bridgestone lugged steel
> touring bike IN MY SIZE. It was sold before I could get over there.
> Unfortunately someone flipped it and put it back on CL a week later for
> $400.
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Re: [RBW] Surprise New Bike Day

[Tony DeFilippo]

Bon Jon Pass 700x35 rather... Not the 38's.

On Thu, Nov 8, 2018, 06:38 Tony DeFilippo  Could anyone with Compass Barlow Pass tires pass along the height and
> width of the tire profile nothing the rim type?  I think 32mm is an easy
> fit but I'd like to squeeze all the plushness I can into the frame.
>
> Thanks,
> Tony
>
> On Thu, Nov 8, 2018, 00:58 Philip Williamson  wrote:
>
>> I had a three speed Robin Hood that came off the curbs of Boston! My
>> friend was moving out here, the bike got put out next to his uhaul, and he
>> threw it inside. His wife was not amused, and I inherited it. I tuned it
>> up, threw my back out riding it up Fountaingrove, and gave it to a friend
>> for Burning Man.
>>
>> Philip
>> Santa Rosa, CA
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Re: [RBW] Surprise New Bike Day

[Tony DeFilippo]

Could anyone with Compass Barlow Pass tires pass along the height and width
of the tire profile nothing the rim type?  I think 32mm is an easy fit but
I'd like to squeeze all the plushness I can into the frame.

Thanks,
Tony

On Thu, Nov 8, 2018, 00:58 Philip Williamson  I had a three speed Robin Hood that came off the curbs of Boston! My
> friend was moving out here, the bike got put out next to his uhaul, and he
> threw it inside. His wife was not amused, and I inherited it. I tuned it
> up, threw my back out riding it up Fountaingrove, and gave it to a friend
> for Burning Man.
>
> Philip
> Santa Rosa, CA
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Re: [RBW] Surprise New Bike Day

[Tony DeFilippo]

I’m glad to see I wasn’t alone in my reaction to this frame!

Tom thats excellent info about the drum brake service, i need to get some
of that grease.

Anyone have a picture of the ‘D Rack’? I have exchanged emails with Mike
Flanigan about the bike actually, he confirmed it was an early one of his.
Seems like a very nice guy, I didn’t realize he was back in business but
I’m happy to hear it.

Anyone have an opinion about Sturmey Archer vs Shimano drum brake IGH’s?
Not sure I’ll go that route, might stick with single speed or look at the
two speed/dinglespeed setup.

Also i’ve been out of the 700x32ish tire market a while... these drum brake
wheels will definitely penalize flat repair times so I may have to look at
more robust tires than my compass and schwable slicks lately. Riv Jack
Browns, pasaelias, the VO/panaracer tires, gravel kings... any consensus on
favorites?

Tony



On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 11:38 Joe Bunik  wrote:

> Tony,
>
> That's a great score and takes me back to the early 2000's when I was
> living in Cambridge / Somerville -- Mike's work was hugely influential
> on me in my nascent bike-nerd years. This bike still epitomizes
> everything a BOB-ish townie should be. I'm still searching for this
> white whale!
>
> Another important dude from that time was a mechanic(?) at the
> Broadway Bicycle Schoo, "Smasher" who preached the wonders of
> rebuilding the old Raleigh 3-speeds which littered the curbs of Boston
> every trash day. Anyone remember his web pages?
>
> =- Joe Bunik
> Walnut Creek, CA
>
> On 11/7/18, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> > "He doesn’t get the credit he deserves for the shift away from racing to
> > practical bikes."
> >
> > No he doesn't. Every mainstream bike maker has a "townie" with IGH,
> pullback
> > bars, fenders and a rack now. Things were very different in 2001 and
> > "townie" wasn't a word.
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[RBW] Surprise New Bike Day

[Tony DeFilippo]

No not a Riv but so close in philosophy and execution I think any discussion 
would be in topic. First the good part, the pictures; 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/BL8E5H1gM4CMsYd88

I was righteously and innocently making a dropoff of excess but good bike parts 
to my local Co-Op yesterday with ZERO thought towards looking at new to me 
bikes... My bike thoughts lately have consisted of replacing my Saluki rear 
wheel and scheming a way to sell my current Jones plus to fund a new Jones plus 
with the unicrown fork... Anyway, I'm chatting with the mechanic/proprietor At 
Velocity Co-Op and I notice a black upright bike with hammered fenders leaving 
against a pile of other pedestrian looking bikes.

I go over to check it out, albatross bars, nitto stem, single speed rear wheel, 
no brake, drum brake front wheel... My interest is now peaked - drum brakes? I 
don't see them often.  Then I see the headbadge.  A N T.  Almost simultaneously 
the mechanic started talking about how no one appreciated the bike and it's 
been in the shop for days, 'people don't get it'.  I agree that 'people' are 
blind or uneducated in not appreciating the neat joints, the custom stainless 
rear rack and understated style of this frame. I tell him, I think I can get 
this bike sold for you thinking that a picture and post here or iBOB would net 
a prospective owner quickly.  Then I make the fatal move, I ask for a test 
ride, the frame is a 57cm, touch small compared to my other bikes but looks 
very rideable.

The test ride took me straight back to my house (in the neighborhood) to grab 
some cash and return to buy the bike in the spot.  It rides great, steers from 
the hip, no hands without shimmy (unloaded), feels 'tight' in a good way.  So 
that's how I've ended up in a N=6 (one loaned out, one off site and one tandem 
included in that number, so N=3 to me) again despite some significant effort 
yours downsizing and minimizing my bike stable.

The bike is perfectly rideable as is but that won't stop me from tuning it up.  
Right now I'm thinking wider tires (current 28mm are obviously to narrow) and 
some kind of front rack/basket.  I may follow Deacon Patrick's lead and try 
fixed while I have it easily available in the current flip flop rear wheel.  
Lights for winter commuting, maybe even a new wheelset to get brakes back on 
the rear wheel.  

Anyone have a single speed/igh roadster they love that can contribute ideas for 
winter projects on my new ANT?

Tony

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[RBW] Re: Leo Roadini on Brevet--SFR Del Puerto Canyon 200k ride report

[Tony DeFilippo]

Bill, love your ride reports.  Epic prose for an epic experience.  I identify 
with finding immense pleasure in carefully picking a bike, building it up for a 
purpose (or many purposes) and then having it perform as well as you'd have 
hoped...  I think that the full circle of deciding-finding-customizing-using is 
one of the real draws of BOBish/Rivish culture.

Tony

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[RBW] Re: Tires for a new HHH build

[Tony DeFilippo]

Just came back from 15 miles on our G-mail clad HHH... Love the tires, also 
running them on a Clementine and the 29er version on a Jones Plus.  Strongly 
recommended.  On the HHH him running them tubed on cliffhangers though the 
Clementine has tubeless in cliffhangers... Both work fine.

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

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It was whatever Rivendell installed when they built it; probably a 
Pletscher. It gets pretty windy here in Iowa, and I've learned to lay my 
bikes on the ground instead of using kickstands or leaning them against 
objects. Our Powderkeg sounds like scaffolding falling over when a big gust 
of wind catches it.

I haven't had a chance to ride the San Marcos since paring it down to 24.5# 
because our bike paths have been under water for the past month. I'm 
picking up a custom Guitar Ted-built wheelset of Velocity Quills for my 
Atlantis on Monday that should knock off considerable weight when I set it 
up tubeless next Spring.

On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 2:50:19 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> 26.5 lb is not bad at all for such a build. My custom 26" wheel fixie, 
> with dynamo lighting, fenders, racks, is probably 1 1/2 lb lighter, and 
> that's with a Dingle fixed drivetrain in place of a 3X9.
>
> * I removed the kickstand because I was tired of the bike falling over all 
> of the time.*
>
> Now that is interesting, since stands are meant precisely to keep the bike 
> from falling over. What sort of kickstand, and why did it fall over? I am 
> ready to remove the bb-area stand from my Hon Solo, because when you have 
> even a bit more weight in the left-side pannier than the right, the stand 
> will not hold the bike up, as I discovered yet once again today at the 
> grocery store.
>
> On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 6:29 PM 'Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> I tore the bike down to the frame for a thorough cleaning and a Frame 
>> Saver treatment. I removed the kickstand because I was tired of the bike 
>> falling over all of the time. I then swapped the Sugino triple and 
>> Microshift FD for an IRD Lobo 46/30 with a Shimano CX-70 FD, and replaced 
>> the Noodle with a 46 cm Soba bar that was on my Atlantis. It now weighs 
>> 24.5 lbs. without the pump and seat bag.
>>
>> Soma San Marcos
>> 59
>> 26.5# with kickstand, frame pump, and Brand V seat bag
>> Sugino triple crankset
>> 9-speed
>> Tektro side-pull brakes
>> Cane Creek levers
>> Shimano bar-ends
>> Selle Anatomico Titantico-X
>> Noodle bars
>> Nitto stem
>> Nitto seatpost
>> Shimano XT spd pedals
>> Velocity Synergy rims 32-spoke
>> Shimano 105 hubs
>> Jack Brown Blue 
>> King SS bottle cages
>> bell, Garmin mount, and Newbaum's cloth tape
>>
>>
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[RBW] Rear racks for kid seats

[Tony DeFilippo]

Thanks for sharing the Holland bikes link, is seen these frame mount saddles 
for kids old enough to hang on on a couple local bikes and wondered where I 
could pick one up.

https://hollandbikeshop.com/en-gb/bicycle-saddles-seatposts/children-s-saddle-on-frame-tube/saddle-on-frametube-ladie-s-bike-oversizemodel-3-dual-tube/

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[RBW] FYI: Sunrace 8sp cassettes

[Tony DeFilippo]

I just found this on Amazon independently and was going to throw out a query... 
Thrilled to see the community already 'knows' and that it is getting some use 
by riv riders... I'd been wanting to go 8 speed on my Jones that had a nice 11 
speed 42t max cassette right now and this is the ticket.  I love 8 speed for 
cheap cassette and chains, I'm running them on every bike other than the Jones 
currently.  Gone to think of it one of these will work well in my HHH as well!

Link to the product in sunrace's site - 

http://www.sunrace.com/en/products/detail/csm680

Tony

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Re: [RBW] Go Get A Clem, Folks! Clem H Initial Ride Report - 28 Oct 2018

[Tony DeFilippo]

I love nothing my wife's 52 Clementine, she loves the orange... So we're both 
awfully pleased with it.  Best part to me is 2.35" tires (big ones) with fender 
clearance.

I do like the look of the more traditional diamond frames.  What is the story 
with the seat stays?  I know initially they were curved to maintain the same ST 
lug but looks like some are now straight.  I prefer straight though I'm not 
really in the market.

Tony

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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I tore the bike down to the frame for a thorough cleaning and a Frame Saver 
treatment. I removed the kickstand because I was tired of the bike falling 
over all of the time. I then swapped the Sugino triple and Microshift FD 
for an IRD Lobo 46/30 with a Shimano CX-70 FD, and replaced the Noodle with 
a 46 cm Soba bar that was on my Atlantis. It now weighs 24.5 lbs. without 
the pump and seat bag.

Soma San Marcos
59
26.5# with kickstand, frame pump, and Brand V seat bag
Sugino triple crankset
9-speed
Tektro side-pull brakes
Cane Creek levers
Shimano bar-ends
Selle Anatomico Titantico-X
Noodle bars
Nitto stem
Nitto seatpost
Shimano XT spd pedals
Velocity Synergy rims 32-spoke
Shimano 105 hubs
Jack Brown Blue 
King SS bottle cages
bell, Garmin mount, and Newbaum's cloth tape


On Sunday, August 3, 2014 at 3:04:20 PM UTC-5, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Since there has been curiosity about peoples' complete bikes' and/or 
> frames' weights, I figured it would be fun to reveal how much our Rivbikes 
> weigh.
>  
> Would be informative to know:
> 1. Model
> 2. Framesize
> 3. Weight of complete build, or your frameset. 
> (Including fenders/bottlecages/racks/lights/bells is ok since 
> dismantle-ization would be unfair to expect of a complete build. But no 
> bags/bottles on board, please).
> 4. Build list, if you feel up to all that typing. Would be fun to see what 
> everyone is hanging on their Rivs anyway. But that is a lot to ask and not 
> expected.
>  
> I would start, but I have to go home and weight the bikes first.
> So I will try to report back soon with my Sam and Bleriot weights.
>  
> And if you guys feel strongly about this being inappropriate for 
> Riv-culture, please delete the thread, but don't run me outta the forum on 
> a rail. This is all intended in good fun and info-purposes.
>  
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv-ish Rides near UNC Chapel Hill

[Tony DeFilippo]

Thanks Ken!

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 5:07 AM KenP  wrote:

> Hi Tony,
>You might find something in this web site:
> https://www.ncdot.gov/travel-maps/maps/Pages/bike-routes.aspx.
> Ken P.
>
> On Wednesday, October 17, 2018 at 5:50:13 PM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>>
>> I'm going to be in Chapel Hill for a 5 day class next week, never been to
>> the area and I'm not positive how much free time I'll have but I plan on
>> bringing a bike.  Any locals care to chime in with a great before or after
>> work (<20 mile) ride idea?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Tony
>>
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[RBW] Riv-ish Rides near UNC Chapel Hill

[Tony DeFilippo]

I'm going to be in Chapel Hill for a 5 day class next week, never been to 
the area and I'm not positive how much free time I'll have but I plan on 
bringing a bike.  Any locals care to chime in with a great before or after 
work (<20 mile) ride idea?

Thanks!
Tony

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[RBW] Gold Trail

[Tony DeFilippo]

I love that we get to live vicariously through the rides if so many on this 
list and your photography and words are always at the top of the heap.  Seeing 
the aspens turning in person is on my short list!

I also get amusement thinking of a modern hiker or backpacker donned head to 
toe in synthetics and devices encountering you on the trail and wondering if 
they had slipped through some odd wormhole or time warp!  :)

Keep sharing please!

Tony

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Re: [RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Tony DeFilippo]

Golden ager for sure... My Saluki is exactly what a bike 'should' look and ride 
like to me.  Probably because that's what Just Ride told me! :)

I fully admire - and have financially supported with my only two new bike 
purchases - the Clem/HHH functionality.  Probably the two most useful bikes 
I'll ever own.  

If I could have Saluki tubing, geometry and equipment (fenders, racks, lights) 
frame sporting the Clem/HHH 2.35" tires I might be completely done.

Tony

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[RBW] cliffhanger rims and canti brakes

[Tony DeFilippo]

No issue on my wife's Clementine or our HHH.  The Clem had Shimano canti's of 
some sort and the HHH has Paul motolite.  They are wide rooms so I suppose some 
frames might have an issue if they have narrowly spaced studs but I don't think 
that's the case on any of my bikes, I've mounted a cliffhanger rim in my 
canti-saluki as well and it looked like it would be fine from a rim perspective.

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[RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[Tony DeFilippo]

My first reaction from the initial visual wasn't super positive... but it's 
growing on me a bit.  I don't love that top tube curve but I'm not sure 
why.  I do love Grant's Mongolian horseback analogy for trail riding, I've 
never thought about it that way and will re-read a couple times and try to 
incorporate it a bit myself.  I also enjoy the newly created 'Hill Bike' 
segment but it also highlights the difference in readily available riding 
for Mt/Hill bikes close to me... for all the reasons Grant highlights 
urban/suburban trails are mostly tailored to the capabilities or 
aspirations of dual suspension bikes, at least the intermediate and 
advanced ones.  I'm 1-2 hours from the kind of trailhead for the wandering 
exploratory rides he's talking about which makes it difficult these days.

Still I'm thrilled they made the bike, as much as I do like the hydro-disc 
brakes on my Jones Plus I think I'd be fine w/ canti's and better able to 
service them (though the hydro procedure isn't rocket science).  I'll be 
interested to see the final production version.  I hope he goes w/ a cream 
headtube... maybe that is what is bothering me in my initial blush more 
than the curved top tube, or maybe its the tig weld transition of top tube, 
down tube and head tube...  something discountenanced there for me.

Tony

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[RBW] Widest tire for a Saluki

[Tony DeFilippo]

I've seen pictures of Pudge's Saluki with SBH's no fenders though the 
clearances were slim.

I've never had larger than a 42 on mine.  Whenever I get off my tandem or my 
wife's Clementine I think how is like a Saluki exactly as it is but fitting 
Schwable Big one tires and fenders... Guess that's a different bike though! :)

Tony

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[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos size for 87.5cm PBH

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

My PBH is 89 cm, and I ride a 59 San Marcos with plenty of seatpost. 
According to the geometry chart, there is only .1" between the two sizes. 
The 59 has 2 top tubes where the 57 will only have 1, if that matters to 
you. The 57 is designed for 650b, and 59 is 700c.

On Monday, September 3, 2018 at 11:41:40 AM UTC-5, Momo wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>
> I've taken a measurement of my PBH and I came with 87.5cm.
>
> I have a choice of Soma San Marcos frames - a 57 or a 59.
>
> I'm not sure which one to get. Does anyone out there ride a San Marcos of 
> 57 or 59 with a similar PBH?
>
> The San Marcos geo is here:
>
> http://www.somafab.com/archives/product/san-marcos-frame-set
>
> Please help me with this quandary!
>
> Thanks,
>
> M
>
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[RBW] Re: Chirping rear hub

[Tony DeFilippo]

The hub is an ultegra 6700... Thanks everyone for the things to go check!

So tonight I got the wheel in the truing stand and double checked each 
spoke/nipple and lubed each one... Nothing stood out.  Aside from checking that 
the valve stem isn't rocking or loose how else do you eliminate it as a 
contributor?

The babyshoe pass EL tires are mounted tubeless so I guess next step is to 
strip down, reseat the valve and remount the tire.  

Patrick where do you get your ball bearing replacements for wheel servicing?  
How often are folks fully rebuilding a rear hub like this?  

Thanks again for all the input!

Tony

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[RBW] Chirping rear hub

[Tony DeFilippo]

Last stop before hub replacement... :)

So my Saluki developed a distinct rotational chirp about 2 weeks ago that 
rapidly became all the time and getting louder.  It happens all the time, 
pedaling and coasting, when I'm on the bike, but doesn't present in the stand.

Before deciding it was the hub I took off the rear brake, bag, rack and triple 
checked the fenders... I'm 99% it's the hub.

So with a new to me set of park cone wrenches (the double sided ones) I broke 
down the axle, removed and degreased everything. No obvious signs of damage to 
any bearings or the races.  After everything was fully wiped down and re 
greased I installed the same bearings and reassembled.

Same chirp iron initial ride.  I swapped the cassette and played with the axle 
tension... Same result.

I suppose I could replace the ball bearings but other than that I'm at a loss 
and mentally pricing out a new sealed bearing wheelset sporting pacenti rims.  

Before I go that day I wanted to poll group in case I've missed something 
obvious.

Thanks!

Tony

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[RBW] Re: Bullmoose Bars - Your Experiences?

[Tony]

Bullmoose bar and blue ESI grips are a good look on my knobby tire 
Atlantis. 

I am still not sure the Bullmoose are best for me though; maybe with 
smaller wheels, but the 29'ers might not be the ideal match.

Tony

On Thursday, August 2, 2018 at 12:32:42 PM UTC-7, Adam Leibow wrote:
>
> +1 for ESI grips. I even wrap them with newbaum's for the rivvier look, 
> and I imagine the cloth protects the foam somewhat. 
>
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[RBW] Re: Custom bike report

[Tony DeFilippo]

Congrats on all those long rides!  All the more gratifying doing it on a bike 
that performs so well and that you had so much to do with spec-ing out.

Thanks for sharing!

Tony

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[RBW] Re: Oh the humidity!

[Tony DeFilippo]

Reporting from the not so miserable former swamp...

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[RBW] Re: Oh the humidity!

[Tony DeFilippo]

I had to gag/smile at the difference between 5 and 15% humidity... Definitely 
gloating! ;)

So long as your moving I find most heat and humidity to be bearable... So long 
as you're moving (by bike) I find just about all meterological conditions 
bearable if not fun... 

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