[RBW] Re: FW:

[JohnS]

That's a first rate build! Hope it does well at the auction.

JohnS


On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 6:00:23 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:

> Finished – just in time! – a Clementine build for my daughter's school 
> charity auction – a few pics are below.  
>
>  
>
> This really does have to be the most flexible frameset ever.  This build 
> is a little goofy for a Rivendell, but by now I think I know the audience, 
> and this should attract some bidding attention.  And even with the goofy 
> pieces, I think it still looks great.  I can guarantee that it rides great.
>
>  
>
> It's a 52cm in Aqua, bought as a whole bike from John at Rivelo.  I 
> changed the saddle (obviously!) to a flashy-colored cruiser-y Electra, and 
> the tires to cream Hetres (which made the fendering much easier), then 
> added the Aqua Brooks Slender grips, a tasty Electra ding-dong bell, a 
> Nantucket bike basket, and VO Zeppelin fenders.  I hope this doesn't get me 
> kicked out of the group!
>
>  
>
> Rivendell Clementine -- 2016 Auction Bike 
> 
>
>  
>
>  
>
> [image: Text Box:]
>
> Rivendell Clementine -- 2016 Auction Bike 
>
>  
>
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>
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[RBW] Re: FW:

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

It's not goofy; it's gorgeous! That will put a smile on the face of anyone 
who rides it -- or one who sees it as it glides by.


On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 6:00:23 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:
>
>  
>
> This really does have to be the most flexible frameset ever.  This build 
> is a little goofy for a Rivendell, but by now I think I know the audience, 
> and this should attract some bidding attention.  And even with the goofy 
> pieces, I think it still looks great.  I can guarantee that it rides great.
>
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: FW:

[Will]

It's so nice! 

I'm guessing you have a sophisicated, well heeled, audience...

On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 5:00:23 PM UTC-5, Pudge wrote:
>
> Finished – just in time! – a Clementine build for my daughter's school 
> charity auction – a few pics are below.  
>
>  
>
> This really does have to be the most flexible frameset ever.  This build 
> is a little goofy for a Rivendell, but by now I think I know the audience, 
> and this should attract some bidding attention.  And even with the goofy 
> pieces, I think it still looks great.  I can guarantee that it rides great.
>
>  
>
> It's a 52cm in Aqua, bought as a whole bike from John at Rivelo.  I 
> changed the saddle (obviously!) to a flashy-colored cruiser-y Electra, and 
> the tires to cream Hetres (which made the fendering much easier), then 
> added the Aqua Brooks Slender grips, a tasty Electra ding-dong bell, a 
> Nantucket bike basket, and VO Zeppelin fenders.  I hope this doesn't get me 
> kicked out of the group!
>
>  
>
> Rivendell Clementine -- 2016 Auction Bike 
> 
>
>  
>
>  
>
> [image: Text Box:]
>
> Rivendell Clementine -- 2016 Auction Bike 
>
>  
>
> --
>
>
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> performing legal service on behalf of Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom 
> LLP & Affiliates. Use by a retired partner of the skadden.com or 
> probonolaw.com domain names is in his/her personal capacity and not on 
> behalf of Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom LLP & Affiliates.
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RE: [RBW] Re: FW:

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Thanks.  But the housing was totally coincidental.

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Subject: [RBW] Re: FW:

Nice looking bike Tom, I particularly like how the cable housing 'hugs' the 
wicker basket!
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[RBW] Re: FW:

[Daniel D.]

that saddle looks so right on there.

On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 3:00:23 PM UTC-7, Pudge wrote:
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: FW:

[Tony DeFilippo]

Nice looking bike Tom, I particularly like how the cable housing 'hugs' the 
wicker basket!

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RE: [RBW] Re: FW: For Sale; Tom Ritchey fillet brazed LONG Frame, Fork, HS

[EGNolan]

That bike looks great as a long tail! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: FW: For Sale; Tom Ritchey fillet brazed LONG Frame, Fork, HS

[iamkeith]

Marc,  

As I said, no grievance or hard feelings whatsoever!  At the price you sold 
it to me for, it was worth the risk and worth the effort, and I'm really 
happy with what it turned out to be - even if it wasn't my original 
vision.   I have no regrets.  As I said in that other thread, it now sees 
way more use than I ever thought it could, too.   And if you think about 
it, that's a better fate for any bike than a life as garage wall-art!  Glad 
you got to see the final result, though!   Happy new year!

Keith


On Friday, January 3, 2014 9:08:59 PM UTC-7, Mayfly wrote:

 Keith 
 Had no Idea or Intention of causing so much trouble. I bought it exactly 
 as it was when I sold it to you. Sold for exact same price as I paid. 
 Bought it and Built it up as a beater with spare parts, didn't like riding 
 it, sold it. 
 Sure turned out to be classy cargo bike, though! Congratulations. 
 Please know that if you ever again buy something from me and are not happy 
 with it, let me know, I will make it right if at all possible. 
 regards and happy new year, 
 Marc 
  



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[RBW] Re: FW: For Sale; Tom Ritchey fillet brazed LONG Frame, Fork, HS

[vay tham]

Hi Marc,
i know this was in May but do you still have the Ritchey?
please email me. thanks

Vay Tham
vth...@gmail.com


On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 2:33:23 PM UTC-4, Mayfly wrote:



 I would like to offer a Riv-related frame, 1987(?) repack-style long bike 
 brazed by Tom (I think). 

 A circa 1987 Ritchey TimberComp/Wolf frame fillet brazed. Color is red, 
 size is medium/large ( 21 c-t ST, 23c-c TT, 31.5 SO). Ritchey USA decals 
 are intact except for rubbe on the drive side headtube. Frame has some 
 minor scratch/rubbe/paint fade beausage. Non driveside chainstay rock 
 dented/ pinched (Sound and not-too-ugly). No other 



 Built as de-luxe Rivisher cruiser, as follows; 
 Wheels; Paul SS hubs, 32h, rims are quite decent, unlabeled but look like 
 Mavic 
 Tires; Schwalbe Marathon XR 26x2, 250 miles or so 
 Cockpit; Riv Bullmoose 150mm bar, Portuguese cork grips, Suntour power 
 ratchet barend shifter on RH side, Paul Canti levers 
 HS; Original Shimano HP6207 
 BB; Phil Wood SS 
 Tensioner; Paul Melvin mounted to derailler hanger 
 FD; Shimano Deerhead 
 Front Brakes; Paul Retro Canti 
 Rear Brakes; Suntour Cunningham Rollercam mounted under chainstays 
 Saddle; Sprung Brooks Conquest All-Terrain 
 Crank; Sugino (170) (40x32  guard 
 FW; White Eno 20t 
 Water Bottle Cage, Bags  Pedals racks basket not included 

 Asking prices 
 $ 200 for frame, fork, headset, and rear brakes; shipped CONUS 
 $490  for complete bike; shipped CONUS 
 will discuss  dicker all other combinations 
 Will entertain all reasonable (or entertaining) offers. 
 Email for more photos or answers. 

 Thanks Again 
 Marc 

 Riv Content; Rivendell/ Ritchey relationship over the decades, of cours 


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[RBW] Re: FW: For Sale; Tom Ritchey fillet brazed LONG Frame, Fork, HS

[iamkeith]

Don't know if he'll answer, but I can tell you that he doesn't have it. 
because I bought it.   If it makes you feel better, it wasn't quite the 
deal I'd hoped it would be.  (Not airing a grievance here - no real foul or 
harm done, considering the price.)  If you or Marc or anyone else 
is interested in seeing what happened to it though, you can read through 
this thread I started on the MTBR VRC forum, which is the other place I 
tend to spend time when not here.  I made the best of it, and it is kind of 
fun.

http://forums.mtbr.com/vintage-retro-classic/my-first-real-you-guessed-858771.html



On Friday, January 3, 2014 10:47:54 AM UTC-7, vay tham wrote:

 Hi Marc,
 i know this was in May but do you still have the Ritchey?
 please email me. thanks

 Vay Tham
 vth...@gmail.com javascript:


 On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 2:33:23 PM UTC-4, Mayfly wrote:



 I would like to offer a Riv-related frame, 1987(?) repack-style long bike 
 brazed by Tom (I think). 

 A circa 1987 Ritchey TimberComp/Wolf frame fillet brazed. Color is red, 
 size is medium/large ( 21 c-t ST, 23c-c TT, 31.5 SO). Ritchey USA decals 
 are intact except for rubbe on the drive side headtube. Frame has some 
 minor scratch/rubbe/paint fade beausage. Non driveside chainstay rock 
 dented/ pinched (Sound and not-too-ugly). No other 



 Built as de-luxe Rivisher cruiser, as follows; 
 Wheels; Paul SS hubs, 32h, rims are quite decent, unlabeled but look like 
 Mavic 
 Tires; Schwalbe Marathon XR 26x2, 250 miles or so 
 Cockpit; Riv Bullmoose 150mm bar, Portuguese cork grips, Suntour power 
 ratchet barend shifter on RH side, Paul Canti levers 
 HS; Original Shimano HP6207 
 BB; Phil Wood SS 
 Tensioner; Paul Melvin mounted to derailler hanger 
 FD; Shimano Deerhead 
 Front Brakes; Paul Retro Canti 
 Rear Brakes; Suntour Cunningham Rollercam mounted under chainstays 
 Saddle; Sprung Brooks Conquest All-Terrain 
 Crank; Sugino (170) (40x32  guard 
 FW; White Eno 20t 
 Water Bottle Cage, Bags  Pedals racks basket not included 

 Asking prices 
 $ 200 for frame, fork, headset, and rear brakes; shipped CONUS 
 $490  for complete bike; shipped CONUS 
 will discuss  dicker all other combinations 
 Will entertain all reasonable (or entertaining) offers. 
 Email for more photos or answers. 

 Thanks Again 
 Marc 

 Riv Content; Rivendell/ Ritchey relationship over the decades, of cours 



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RE: [RBW] Re: FW: For Sale; Tom Ritchey fillet brazed LONG Frame, Fork, HS

[Marc Schwartz]

Keith
Had no Idea or Intention of causing so much trouble. I bought it exactly as it 
was when I sold it to you. Sold for exact same price as I paid. Bought it and 
Built it up as a beater with spare parts, didn't like riding it, sold it. 
Sure turned out to be classy cargo bike, though! Congratulations.
Please know that if you ever again buy something from me and are not happy with 
it, let me know, I will make it right if at all possible.
regards and happy new year,
Marc

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] on 
behalf of iamkeith [keithhar...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 7:10 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: FW: For Sale; Tom Ritchey fillet brazed LONG Frame, Fork, HS

Don't know if he'll answer, but I can tell you that he doesn't have it. 
because I bought it.   If it makes you feel better, it wasn't quite the deal 
I'd hoped it would be.  (Not airing a grievance here - no real foul or harm 
done, considering the price.)  If you or Marc or anyone else is interested in 
seeing what happened to it though, you can read through this thread I started 
on the MTBR VRC forum, which is the other place I tend to spend time when not 
here.  I made the best of it, and it is kind of fun.

http://forums.mtbr.com/vintage-retro-classic/my-first-real-you-guessed-858771.html



On Friday, January 3, 2014 10:47:54 AM UTC-7, vay tham wrote:
Hi Marc,
i know this was in May but do you still have the Ritchey?
please email me. thanks

Vay Tham
vth...@gmail.com


On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 2:33:23 PM UTC-4, Mayfly wrote:


I would like to offer a Riv-related frame, 1987(?) repack-style long bike 
brazed by Tom (I think).

A circa 1987 Ritchey TimberComp/Wolf frame fillet brazed. Color is red, size is 
medium/large ( 21 c-t ST, 23c-c TT, 31.5 SO). Ritchey USA decals are intact 
except for rubbe on the drive side headtube. Frame has some minor 
scratch/rubbe/paint fade beausage. Non driveside chainstay rock dented/ pinched 
(Sound and not-too-ugly). No other



Built as de-luxe Rivisher cruiser, as follows;
Wheels; Paul SS hubs, 32h, rims are quite decent, unlabeled but look like Mavic
Tires; Schwalbe Marathon XR 26x2, 250 miles or so
Cockpit; Riv Bullmoose 150mm bar, Portuguese cork grips, Suntour power ratchet 
barend shifter on RH side, Paul Canti levers
HS; Original Shimano HP6207
BB; Phil Wood SS
Tensioner; Paul Melvin mounted to derailler hanger
FD; Shimano Deerhead
Front Brakes; Paul Retro Canti
Rear Brakes; Suntour Cunningham Rollercam mounted under chainstays
Saddle; Sprung Brooks Conquest All-Terrain
Crank; Sugino (170) (40x32  guard
FW; White Eno 20t
Water Bottle Cage, Bags  Pedals racks basket not included

Asking prices
$ 200 for frame, fork, headset, and rear brakes; shipped CONUS
$490  for complete bike; shipped CONUS
will discuss  dicker all other combinations
Will entertain all reasonable (or entertaining) offers.
Email for more photos or answers.

Thanks Again
Marc

Riv Content; Rivendell/ Ritchey relationship over the decades, of cours

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[RBW] Re: FW: FS; White Industries Crankset; TA Pedals (2 pairs); Nitto M12 Front Rack

[hobie]

Hi. I'll take the TA classic road pedals for $75.00
On Monday, May 13, 2013 4:23:03 PM UTC-4, Mayfly wrote:


 ___ 

 PLEASE SEE THE ATTACHED PHOTO 
 Better Pics on request 

 Earlier WHITE INDUSTRIES 110-74 mm Crankset. 175mm arms stamped (on backs) 
 Custom Forged in Japan for White Industries. I think these were custom 
 made by Sugino. Good quality chanrings made by Real (46 - 34 x 110, no 74 
 chainring), minimal wear. Asking $85 shipped CONUS 

 SPECIALTIES TA classic road pedals. Grey anodized cage. Excellent, used. 
 9/16 thread. Asking $75 

 SPECIALTIES TA classic pista pedals. Grey anodized cage. In Box, New. 
 Minimal shopwear.. 9/16 thread. Asking $100 

 Nitto m12 Front Rack for Cantilever Brakes. Standard (not Paul) mounting 
 studs included. 
 $90 shipped CONUS 

 Email off list, please 
 msch...@nmsu.edu javascript: 

 Thanks, be well 
 Marc 


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[RBW] Re: FW: FS; White Industries Crankset; TA Pedals (2 pairs); Nitto M12 Front Rack

[hobie]

Hi. Can't seem to figure out how to email off list, but I'll take the TA 
road classic pedals for $75.00
On Monday, May 13, 2013 4:23:03 PM UTC-4, Mayfly wrote:


 ___ 

 PLEASE SEE THE ATTACHED PHOTO 
 Better Pics on request 

 Earlier WHITE INDUSTRIES 110-74 mm Crankset. 175mm arms stamped (on backs) 
 Custom Forged in Japan for White Industries. I think these were custom 
 made by Sugino. Good quality chanrings made by Real (46 - 34 x 110, no 74 
 chainring), minimal wear. Asking $85 shipped CONUS 

 SPECIALTIES TA classic road pedals. Grey anodized cage. Excellent, used. 
 9/16 thread. Asking $75 

 SPECIALTIES TA classic pista pedals. Grey anodized cage. In Box, New. 
 Minimal shopwear.. 9/16 thread. Asking $100 

 Nitto m12 Front Rack for Cantilever Brakes. Standard (not Paul) mounting 
 studs included. 
 $90 shipped CONUS 

 Email off list, please 
 msch...@nmsu.edu javascript: 

 Thanks, be well 
 Marc 


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[RBW] Re: FW: FS; White Industries Crankset; TA Pedals (2 pairs); Nitto M12 Front Rack

[Ron Mc]

go to the far right and click the drop down, then try reply to author
guess I'm a day late...

On Tuesday, May 14, 2013 7:03:26 AM UTC-5, hobie wrote:

 Hi. Can't seem to figure out how to email off list, but I'll take the TA 
 road classic pedals for $75.00
 On Monday, May 13, 2013 4:23:03 PM UTC-4, Mayfly wrote:


 ___ 

 PLEASE SEE THE ATTACHED PHOTO 
 Better Pics on request 

 Earlier WHITE INDUSTRIES 110-74 mm Crankset. 175mm arms stamped (on 
 backs) Custom Forged in Japan for White Industries. I think these were 
 custom made by Sugino. Good quality chanrings made by Real (46 - 34 x 
 110, no 74 chainring), minimal wear. Asking $85 shipped CONUS 

 SPECIALTIES TA classic road pedals. Grey anodized cage. Excellent, used. 
 9/16 thread. Asking $75 

 SPECIALTIES TA classic pista pedals. Grey anodized cage. In Box, New. 
 Minimal shopwear.. 9/16 thread. Asking $100 

 Nitto m12 Front Rack for Cantilever Brakes. Standard (not Paul) mounting 
 studs included. 
 $90 shipped CONUS 

 Email off list, please 
 msch...@nmsu.edu 

 Thanks, be well 
 Marc 



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[RBW] Re: FW: FS; White Industries Crankset; TA Pedals (2 pairs); Nitto M12 Front Rack

[hobie]

On Monday, May 13, 2013 4:23:03 PM UTC-4, Mayfly wrote:


 ___ 

 PLEASE SEE THE ATTACHED PHOTO 
 Better Pics on request 

 Earlier WHITE INDUSTRIES 110-74 mm Crankset. 175mm arms stamped (on backs) 
 Custom Forged in Japan for White Industries. I think these were custom 
 made by Sugino. Good quality chanrings made by Real (46 - 34 x 110, no 74 
 chainring), minimal wear. Asking $85 shipped CONUS 

 SPECIALTIES TA classic road pedals. Grey anodized cage. Excellent, used. 
 9/16 thread. Asking $75 

 SPECIALTIES TA classic pista pedals. Grey anodized cage. In Box, New. 
 Minimal shopwear.. 9/16 thread. Asking $100 

 Nitto m12 Front Rack for Cantilever Brakes. Standard (not Paul) mounting 
 studs included. 
 $90 shipped CONUS 

 Email off list, please 
 msch...@nmsu.edu javascript: 

 Thanks, be well 
 Marc 


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[RBW] Re: FW: For Sale; Tom Ritchey fillet brazed LONG Frame, Fork, HS

[pb]

Holy cow...  that price is a GIFT.
 
Of course, I also own a Timber Comp, which (1) I really like, and (2) I 
think is worth more than that.
 
:-)
 
pb

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[RBW] Re: Fw: [650B] Pari-Moto Update 2/12/2010

[William]

Looking forward to my pariI mean pair.

I checked out the prototype 1 on the shelf at Riv-HQ yesterday, and
the tread was CRAZY thin.  I'm glad Kirk put a little bit more meat on
them.

I guess I should buy that Bomba to accept these tires, too.

On Feb 12, 5:17 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Just an FYI for those here who are running 650B Rivvies..

 - Forwarded Message 
 From: Kirk Pacenti k...@bikelugs.com
 To: 6...@bikelist.org
 Sent: Fri, February 12, 2010 5:59:40 PM
 Subject: [650B] Pari-Moto Update 2/12/2010

 Dear 650b fans,

 Good news; the revisions to the Pari-Moto mould are
 complete, samples have been approved and the tires are headed to production.

 We were delayed by 4-5 weeks because of the rework needed to the mould, but
 hopefully we’ll still get tires here by the end of March.

 Again, a big thanks to all those who supported this project
 early on and made the Pari-Moto a reality!

 Cheers,

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fw: [650B] Pari-Moto Update 2/12/2010

[Bruce]

That would make John, Keven, et al smile ...




From: William tapebu...@gmail.com

I guess I should buy that Bomba to accept these tires, too.


  

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[RBW] Re: Fw: [650B] Pari-Moto Update 2/12/2010

[William]

I hope it does make them Smile.  I'm taking advantage of their really
generous SmileTrain promo to buy the Orange powdercoated 56cm Bomba on
the Frame Specials page.  I'm smiling on the economics of it.

I give $250 to Smile Train, so Smile Train smiles

I buy an in-stock Bombadil, so I smile and Rivendell smiles

I get $187.50 credit towards the thing, and I get $200 worth of free
parts towards the build and I get a tax write off for $250

It's almost like stealing.

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 That would make John, Keven, et al smile ...

 
 From: William tapebu...@gmail.com

 I guess I should buy that Bomba to accept these tires, too.

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[RBW] Re: Fw: [650B] Pari-Moto Update 2/12/2010

[Patrick in VT]

On Feb 13, 4:53 pm, Bill M. bmenn...@comcast.net wrote:
  If Jan Heine's theories on
 tire width and rolling resistance are true, the P-M should be faster
 on the road than the Cypress.

That's not entirely accurate.  One question that hasn't been answered
or tested is a what point the advantages of wider tires level off.
testing has shown that wider equals faster for a certain range of tire
widths, but I don't think it's safe to say a 38mm tire will be faster
than 30mm tire, all things being equal.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fw: [650B] Pari-Moto Update 2/12/2010

[Steve Palincsar]

On Sun, 2010-02-14 at 12:58 -0800, Patrick in VT wrote:
 
 On Feb 13, 4:53 pm, Bill M. bmenn...@comcast.net wrote:
   If Jan Heine's theories on
  tire width and rolling resistance are true, the P-M should be faster
  on the road than the Cypress.
 
 That's not entirely accurate.  One question that hasn't been answered
 or tested is a what point the advantages of wider tires level off.
 testing has shown that wider equals faster for a certain range of tire
 widths, but I don't think it's safe to say a 38mm tire will be faster
 than 30mm tire, all things being equal.

It might be, if the pavement was bad enough.




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Re: [RBW] Re: Fw: [650B] Pari-Moto Update 2/12/2010

[Steve Palincsar]

On Fri, 2010-02-12 at 20:50 -0800, John Speare wrote:
 On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 7:55 PM, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Great news!  I saw the early model at Riv a few weeks ago - tread was
  too thin.  This is gonna be an awesome tire.  It must be pretty darn
  good if Grand Bois dropped their 38mm Hetre project.
 
 
 I read this elsewhere: that the tread was too thin. It makes me
 nervous that he'll pile too much rubber on this tire... and make it
 more CdV'y -- I've been loving the supple and very thin Grand Bois
 Cerfs, they're a dreamy ride, at a mere 28mm wide.

I think you're worrying unnecessarily, John.  

To begin with, the issue with the CdlV isn't mainly that the tread is
thick as much as it is the specific type of tread, i.e., the
mini-knobs.  The Trimline was every bit as thick in the tread as the
CdlV, but it had significantly less rolling resistance.  The famed Hetre
has a rather thick tread as well, which accounts for its remarkable
longevity, and it's also exceptionally fast and supple.

 I have a pre-paid pair of the Pari Motos and I was really hoping they
 would be a lighter, thinner version of the Hetres, which are my
 favorite tires ever.

An extra half millimeter doesn't make for excessive thickness, although
it should add some useful service life.



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[RBW] Re: Fw: [650B] Pari-Moto Update 2/12/2010

[Patrick in VT]

On Feb 13, 12:56 am, Bill M. bmenn...@comcast.net wrote:
  I expect to restrict the P-M's to paved roads . . .

That'd be a shame!   I don't see the value in a 38mm tire that can't
be ridden on dirt.  I guess I'll find out soon enough, but if the Pari-
Moto is too fragile for serious mixed terrain use, I'll revert to
grand bois.

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[RBW] Re: Fw: [650B] Pari-Moto Update 2/12/2010

[Aaron Thomas]

And consider that 2mm of tread is right between a Roll-y Pol-y with
1.5mm and a Ruffy Tuffy with 2.5, so we're not talking about Schwalbe-
style thicknesses.

I would have been curious to try the 1.5 version, actually, since I
rather dig the Roll-y Pol-y.

Aaron

On Feb 13, 7:09 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
 On Fri, 2010-02-12 at 20:50 -0800, John Speare wrote:
  On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 7:55 PM, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote:

   Great news!  I saw the early model at Riv a few weeks ago - tread was
   too thin.  This is gonna be an awesome tire.  It must be pretty darn
   good if Grand Bois dropped their 38mm Hetre project.

  I read this elsewhere: that the tread was too thin. It makes me
  nervous that he'll pile too much rubber on this tire... and make it
  more CdV'y -- I've been loving the supple and very thin Grand Bois
  Cerfs, they're a dreamy ride, at a mere 28mm wide.

 I think you're worrying unnecessarily, John.  

 To begin with, the issue with the CdlV isn't mainly that the tread is
 thick as much as it is the specific type of tread, i.e., the
 mini-knobs.  The Trimline was every bit as thick in the tread as the
 CdlV, but it had significantly less rolling resistance.  The famed Hetre
 has a rather thick tread as well, which accounts for its remarkable
 longevity, and it's also exceptionally fast and supple.

  I have a pre-paid pair of the Pari Motos and I was really hoping they
  would be a lighter, thinner version of the Hetres, which are my
  favorite tires ever.

 An extra half millimeter doesn't make for excessive thickness, although
 it should add some useful service life.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fw: [650B] Pari-Moto Update 2/12/2010

[Steve Palincsar]

On Sat, 2010-02-13 at 08:10 -0800, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote:
 I think you're worrying unnecessarily...
 
 What else is there to do this time of year!

Around here, there's plenty of snow shoveling to occupy your time.  I
feel as though I am living in the film Woman in the Dunes...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woman_in_the_Dunes


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Re: [RBW] Re: Fw: [650B] Pari-Moto Update 2/12/2010

[Steve Palincsar]

On Sat, 2010-02-13 at 07:37 -0800, Patrick in VT wrote:
 On Feb 13, 12:56 am, Bill M. bmenn...@comcast.net wrote:
   I expect to restrict the P-M's to paved roads . . .
 
 That'd be a shame!   I don't see the value in a 38mm tire that can't
 be ridden on dirt.  I guess I'll find out soon enough, but if the Pari-
 Moto is too fragile for serious mixed terrain use, I'll revert to
 grand bois.


If the grand bois is suitable, I can't see how the Pari-Moto wouldn't be as 
well.  Bill's restricting it to paved roads might mean nothing more than that 
he has other, sturdier options available to him.  And we knew from the start, 
this was to be a tire of the fast, light persuasion rather than a super heavy 
duty competitor to the Schwalbe offerings.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Fw: [650B] Pari-Moto Update 2/12/2010

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On Feb 13, 2010, at 9:32, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:


On Sat, 2010-02-13 at 07:37 -0800, Patrick in VT wrote:

On Feb 13, 12:56 am, Bill M. bmenn...@comcast.net wrote:

I expect to restrict the P-M's to paved roads . . .


That'd be a shame!   I don't see the value in a 38mm tire that can't
be ridden on dirt.  I guess I'll find out soon enough, but if the  
Pari-

Moto is too fragile for serious mixed terrain use, I'll revert to
grand bois.



If the grand bois is suitable, I can't see how the Pari-Moto  
wouldn't be as well.  Bill's restricting it to paved roads might  
mean nothing more than that he has other, sturdier options available  
to him.  And we knew from the start, this was to be a tire of the  
fast, light persuasion rather than a super heavy duty competitor  
to the Schwalbe offerings.


Depends on which Grand Bois. The Ourson is good in dirt, but the Hetre  
not so much. It's all Cush and no traction. It's OK to an extent, but  
if it gets steep it starts slipping on me.
It's still my favorite tire, but I take the Trimlines if I expect to  
see much dirt.

Or the Neo-motos if it's ALL dirt.
Personally, my Pari-Motos will be strictly road tires.
Your mileage may vary, I've got friends who kick my butt on the trails  
with 23mm slicks!


Ryan

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[RBW] Re: Fw: [650B] Pari-Moto Update 2/12/2010

[Patrick in VT]

On Feb 13, 11:32 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:

38mm is huge for dedicated paved road tire.  personally, I don't see
any reason to ride a tire this big *unless* it's going to be used on
mixed terrain - which doesn't necessitate super heavy duty tires.  my
point is that, if the pari-moto can't handle some off-road abuse (and
i don't think this will be a problem), then I don't see the value in
having such a tire.  the 650b cypres is fast and light on the road,
and the Hetre will take care of dirt if the PM isn't up to the task.

anyway, i can't wait to find out.  good stuff for 650b coming up this
year.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fw: [650B] Pari-Moto Update 2/12/2010

[Steve Palincsar]

On Sat, 2010-02-13 at 10:04 -0700, rswat...@me.com wrote:

 Depends on which Grand Bois. The Ourson is good in dirt, but the Hetre  
 not so much. It's all Cush and no traction. It's OK to an extent, but  
 if it gets steep it starts slipping on me.
 It's still my favorite tire, but I take the Trimlines if I expect to  
 see much dirt.

I guess it depends on what your dirt roads are like.  Where I ride,
the Hetre's been splendid.  But my dirt roads are well maintained
gravel roads, typically on very hard packed Virginia clay.  There's
nothing soft or squishy about them - hard as a miser's heart would be
more like it.



 Or the Neo-motos if it's ALL dirt.

Isn't that a knobby tire suitable for single track?


 Personally, my Pari-Motos will be strictly road tires.
 Your mileage may vary, I've got friends who kick my butt on the trails  
 with 23mm slicks!

There are folks who rode the 100 mile version of D2R2 on 23mm slicks.
How, I can't possibly imagine!



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Re: [RBW] Re: Fw: [650B] Pari-Moto Update 2/12/2010

[Bruce]

It's sold as an event tire. As in a race day set of rubber. Not what you want 
for an off pavement ramble through goatheads.






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To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com

And we knew from the start, this was to be a tire of the fast, light 
persuasion rather than a super heavy duty competitor to the Schwalbe offerings.


  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fw: [650B] Pari-Moto Update 2/12/2010

[Steve Palincsar]

On Sat, 2010-02-13 at 11:48 -0800, Bruce wrote:
 It's sold as an event tire. As in a race day set of rubber. Not what
 you want for an off pavement ramble through goatheads.

Well, I'm not sure it's quite that bad - the thickness is well in line
with the Grand Bois Cypres, and I use that as a general purpose tire and
have ridden it on dirt roads.  Thank goodness we don't have goatheads
here in Northern Virgnia and Southern Maryland, and our NoVA dirt roads
aren't hard on tires the way some are.




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[RBW] Re: Fw: [650B] Pari-Moto Update 2/12/2010

[Bill M.]

True, 38 mm is huge for a road tire.  But the Paris-Moto will be 50
grams lighter than a Maxy Fasty, barely heavier than a 650b x 32 mm
Cypress, but 5 or 6 mm wider than either.  If Jan Heine's theories on
tire width and rolling resistance are true, the P-M should be faster
on the road than the Cypress.  Not beefy enough that I'd want to
bounce it off of a lot of gravel, but light and cushy enough to (I
hope) be a delight on a long day's ride.

Bill

On Feb 13, 9:25 am, Patrick in VT psh...@drm.com wrote:
 On Feb 13, 11:32 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:

 38mm is huge for dedicated paved road tire.  personally, I don't see
 any reason to ride a tire this big *unless* it's going to be used on
 mixed terrain - which doesn't necessitate super heavy duty tires.  my
 point is that, if the pari-moto can't handle some off-road abuse (and
 i don't think this will be a problem), then I don't see the value in
 having such a tire.  the 650b cypres is fast and light on the road,
 and the Hetre will take care of dirt if the PM isn't up to the task.

 anyway, i can't wait to find out.  good stuff for 650b coming up this
 year.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fw: [650B] Pari-Moto Update 2/12/2010

[cyclotourist]

On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 9:04 AM, rswat...@me.com rswat...@me.com wrote:



 Depends on which Grand Bois. The Ourson is good in dirt, but the Hetre not
 so much. It's all Cush and no traction. It's OK to an extent, but if it gets
 steep it starts slipping on me.
 It's still my favorite tire, but I take the Trimlines if I expect to see
 much dirt.
 Or the Neo-motos if it's ALL dirt.
 Personally, my Pari-Motos will be strictly road tires.
 Your mileage may vary, I've got friends who kick my butt on the trails with
 23mm slicks!

 Ryan


Respectfully have to disagree about the Hetre.  When I ride with folks using
them, they are never at a disadvantage that I've seen.  They seem to do
everything a Pasela can, while providing more comfort in the process.  Now
this isn't anything steep or technical, but still a lot of dirt riding with
sections of both of the above.  Again, I'm comparing them to 35-37mm Paselas
to which they seem about equal, and I ride those Paselas everywhere.

You can see them throughout these two sets:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/sets/72157618204831557/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/sets/72157622279022002/


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[RBW] Re: Fw: [650B] Pari-Moto Update 2/12/2010

[Esteban]

Great news!  I saw the early model at Riv a few weeks ago - tread was
too thin.  This is gonna be an awesome tire.  It must be pretty darn
good if Grand Bois dropped their 38mm Hetre project.

Esteban
San Diego, Calif.

On Feb 12, 5:17 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Just an FYI for those here who are running 650B Rivvies..



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 From: Kirk Pacenti k...@bikelugs.com
 To: 6...@bikelist.org
 Sent: Fri, February 12, 2010 5:59:40 PM
 Subject: [650B] Pari-Moto Update 2/12/2010

 Dear 650b fans,

 Good news; the revisions to the Pari-Moto mould are
 complete, samples have been approved and the tires are headed to production.

 We were delayed by 4-5 weeks because of the rework needed to the mould, but
 hopefully we’ll still get tires here by the end of March.

 Again, a big thanks to all those who supported this project
 early on and made the Pari-Moto a reality!

 Cheers,

 KP



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Re: [RBW] Re: Fw: [650B] Pari-Moto Update 2/12/2010

[rswat...@me.com]

Did Grand Bois really drop the 38mm project? This is the first I've  
heard about it.
I'm starting a rumor right now: Grand Bois finally located the lost  
Mistuboshi Trimline mold and we'll have a supple, folding Trimline by  
summer!

Pass it on ;-)

Cheers,
Ryan




On Feb 12, 2010, at 20:55, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote:


Great news!  I saw the early model at Riv a few weeks ago - tread was
too thin.  This is gonna be an awesome tire.  It must be pretty darn
good if Grand Bois dropped their 38mm Hetre project.

Esteban
San Diego, Calif.

On Feb 12, 5:17 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote:

Just an FYI for those here who are running 650B Rivvies..



- Forwarded Message 
From: Kirk Pacenti k...@bikelugs.com
To: 6...@bikelist.org
Sent: Fri, February 12, 2010 5:59:40 PM
Subject: [650B] Pari-Moto Update 2/12/2010

Dear 650b fans,

Good news; the revisions to the Pari-Moto mould are
complete, samples have been approved and the tires are headed to  
production.


We were delayed by 4-5 weeks because of the rework needed to the  
mould, but

hopefully we’ll still get tires here by the end of March.

Again, a big thanks to all those who supported this project
early on and made the Pari-Moto a reality!

Cheers,

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[RBW] Re: Fw: [650B] Pari-Moto Update 2/12/2010

[rcnute]

I think Jan mentioned (in essence) that the market wouldn't bear
another 38mm tire right now given other offerings.

Ryan

On Feb 12, 8:09 pm, rswat...@me.com rswat...@me.com wrote:
 Did Grand Bois really drop the 38mm project? This is the first I've  
 heard about it.
 I'm starting a rumor right now: Grand Bois finally located the lost  
 Mistuboshi Trimline mold and we'll have a supple, folding Trimline by  
 summer!
 Pass it on ;-)

 Cheers,
 Ryan

 On Feb 12, 2010, at 20:55, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote:

  Great news!  I saw the early model at Riv a few weeks ago - tread was
  too thin.  This is gonna be an awesome tire.  It must be pretty darn
  good if Grand Bois dropped their 38mm Hetre project.

  Esteban
  San Diego, Calif.

  On Feb 12, 5:17 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote:
  Just an FYI for those here who are running 650B Rivvies..

  - Forwarded Message 
  From: Kirk Pacenti k...@bikelugs.com
  To: 6...@bikelist.org
  Sent: Fri, February 12, 2010 5:59:40 PM
  Subject: [650B] Pari-Moto Update 2/12/2010

  Dear 650b fans,

  Good news; the revisions to the Pari-Moto mould are
  complete, samples have been approved and the tires are headed to  
  production.

  We were delayed by 4-5 weeks because of the rework needed to the  
  mould, but
  hopefully we fll still get tires here by the end of March.

  Again, a big thanks to all those who supported this project
  early on and made the Pari-Moto a reality!

  Cheers,

  KP

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fw: [650B] Pari-Moto Update 2/12/2010

[John Speare]

On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 7:55 PM, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote:

 Great news!  I saw the early model at Riv a few weeks ago - tread was
 too thin.  This is gonna be an awesome tire.  It must be pretty darn
 good if Grand Bois dropped their 38mm Hetre project.


I read this elsewhere: that the tread was too thin. It makes me
nervous that he'll pile too much rubber on this tire... and make it
more CdV'y -- I've been loving the supple and very thin Grand Bois
Cerfs, they're a dreamy ride, at a mere 28mm wide.

I have a pre-paid pair of the Pari Motos and I was really hoping they
would be a lighter, thinner version of the Hetres, which are my
favorite tires ever.

--
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Spokane, WA USA
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[RBW] Re: Fw: [650B] Pari-Moto Update 2/12/2010

[Bill M.]

From the latest Riv Reader on the Paris-Moto:
The sample shown actually weighs 291g, but with a 1.5mm tread
thickness. Kirk says the production tires will be thicker-about
2mm-and the 308g listed here is a prediction.  Width shown is 38.15
mm.

From the VBQ test of the Hetre:
Width (on 25 mm Mavic Criterium rims): 42 mm
Weight: Sample 1: 392 g; Sample 2: 426 g
Thickness (casing + tread): 3.8 mm

Narrower and lighter than an Hetre?  I'd say the P-M should fit the
bill.  I have a pair of the tan walls on order.  I expect to restrict
the P-M's to paved roads, I'll keep the Fatty Rumpkins for mixed-
surface use.

Bill


On Feb 12, 8:50 pm, John Speare johnspe...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 7:55 PM, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote:

  Great news!  I saw the early model at Riv a few weeks ago - tread was
  too thin.  This is gonna be an awesome tire.  It must be pretty darn
  good if Grand Bois dropped their 38mm Hetre project.

 I read this elsewhere: that the tread was too thin. It makes me
 nervous that he'll pile too much rubber on this tire... and make it
 more CdV'y -- I've been loving the supple and very thin Grand Bois
 Cerfs, they're a dreamy ride, at a mere 28mm wide.

 I have a pre-paid pair of the Pari Motos and I was really hoping they
 would be a lighter, thinner version of the Hetres, which are my
 favorite tires ever.

 --
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[RBW] Re: FW: It's here

[RoadieRyan]

Very Sharp Steve.  As has been stated the sidepulls look great.


Justin I noticed on the Renaissance cycles sites that they got (big
mouth) side pulls to work on a 56cm Sam  
http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/rivendell/hillborne/
so their maybe hope for your Simpleone dreams even if it comes as a
Canti

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 The last of the 52cm, 650b Quickbeams is mine, all mine!  The color really 
 suits the name:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/40738...@n08/4248168665/sizes/l/

 (don't worry, that's not where my seat will be when I ride it)

 Steve woohoo! Frederick, East Lansing, MI
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[RBW] Re: FW: It's here

[Jim M.]

Congratulations! The QB is a great and versatile bike. Mine is about
to metamorphose into its 3rd incarnation.

jim mather
walnut creek ca

On Jan 5, 11:52 am, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu
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 The last of the 52cm, 650b Quickbeams is mine, all mine!  The color really 
 suits the name:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/40738...@n08/4248168665/sizes/l/

 (don't worry, that's not where my seat will be when I ride it)

 Steve woohoo! Frederick, East Lansing, MI
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Re: [RBW] Re: FW: It's here

[James Warren]

Mine's about to complete its transition from stock to 

shiftable 2-speed to 

shiftable 3-speed (current) to 

shiftable 15-speed with derailleurs front and rear and bar-end shifters.

I'll post photos if all goes well. (I'm still waiting for the wheel.)
For all intents and purposes it might be close to a canti-Hilsen when it's done.

-Jim W.

p.s. I love the way it rides, but I really need some gears for the hill I live 
on.


-Original Message-
From: Jim M. mather...@gmail.com
Sent: Jan 5, 2010 4:29 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: FW: It's here

Congratulations! The QB is a great and versatile bike. Mine is about
to metamorphose into its 3rd incarnation.

jim mather
walnut creek ca

On Jan 5, 11:52 am, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu
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 The last of the 52cm, 650b Quickbeams is mine, all mine!  The color really 
 suits the name:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/40738...@n08/4248168665/sizes/l/

 (don't worry, that's not where my seat will be when I ride it)

 Steve woohoo! Frederick, East Lansing, MI

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[RBW] Re: FW: It's here

[Justin August]

Love the sidepulls! I am secretly hoping the SimpleOne will have that
setup later this year...

On Jan 5, 2:52 pm, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu
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 suits the name:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/40738...@n08/4248168665/sizes/l/

 (don't worry, that's not where my seat will be when I ride it)

 Steve woohoo! Frederick, East Lansing, MI
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[RBW] Re: FW: It's here

[Justin August]

Love the sidepulls! I am secretly hoping the SimpleOne will have that
setup later this year...

On Jan 5, 2:52 pm, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu
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 The last of the 52cm, 650b Quickbeams is mine, all mine!  The color really 
 suits the name:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/40738...@n08/4248168665/sizes/l/

 (don't worry, that's not where my seat will be when I ride it)

 Steve woohoo! Frederick, East Lansing, MI
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[RBW] Re: Fw: Employee bikes

[David Estes]

flickr to the rescue!

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 10:09 PM, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.netwrote:


 on 6/24/09 9:14 PM, relistan at relis...@gmail.com wrote:
  Yeah, sorry, I didn't see Moots anywhere in the first post and the
  name doesn't mean anything to me, anyway, so seeing one of the bikes
  in the photo with that name didn't speak to me. :)  I get it now.
  When I was at Rivendell I saw nothing there but Rivendells to answer
  your question.

 For those folks who haven't been to Walnut Creek, there are a few RBWHQL
 photos in the RBW Staff Bikes Flickr Group -
 http://www.flickr.com/groups/rbwstaffbikes/

 - J

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 cyclofi...@earthlink.net

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 Current Classics - Cross Bikes
 Singlespeed - Working Bikes

 The Gallery needs your photos! Send 'em in - Here's how:
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[RBW] Re: Fw: Employee bikes

[relistan]

While not shots of staff bikes, here are a couple of shots I took at
Rivendell when I was there in 2007.

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_lVFA-JOlfx8/Ryff4jUtB6I/ADs/Ahm2nHlBE3Q/s800/dsc_4388.jpg
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_lVFA-JOlfx8/RyffpTUtB5I/ADk/ZmRyqP_Ukyc/s800/dsc_4387.jpg

Cheers,
Karl

On Jun 24, 11:19 pm, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
 flickr to the rescue!

 On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 10:09 PM, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.netwrote:





  on 6/24/09 9:14 PM, relistan at relis...@gmail.com wrote:
   Yeah, sorry, I didn't see Moots anywhere in the first post and the
   name doesn't mean anything to me, anyway, so seeing one of the bikes
   in the photo with that name didn't speak to me. :)  I get it now.
   When I was at Rivendell I saw nothing there but Rivendells to answer
   your question.

  For those folks who haven't been to Walnut Creek, there are a few RBWHQL
  photos in the RBW Staff Bikes Flickr Group -
 http://www.flickr.com/groups/rbwstaffbikes/

  - J

  --
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  Current Classics - Cross Bikes
  Singlespeed - Working Bikes

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 http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines

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[RBW] Re: Fw: Employee bikes

[Patrick in VT]

On Jun 24, 11:15 pm, Ken Yokanovich reflector.collec...@gmail.com
wrote:
 As for the original post, there would appear to be 3 Surly's, the
 seemingly bike-shop employee standard... inexpensive, mostly
 practical, and readily available.

Ken - can you elaborate on mostly practical?  I don't own a surly,
just curious as to why a bike like a cross-check, LHT or pacer
wouldn't be considered fully practical.  thanks,

Patrick
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[RBW] Re: Fw: Employee bikes

[Seth Vidal]

On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Patrick in VT psh...@drm.com wrote:

 On Jun 24, 11:15 pm, Ken Yokanovich reflector.collec...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  As for the original post, there would appear to be 3 Surly's, the
  seemingly bike-shop employee standard... inexpensive, mostly
  practical, and readily available.

 Ken - can you elaborate on mostly practical?  I don't own a surly,
 just curious as to why a bike like a cross-check, LHT or pacer
 wouldn't be considered fully practical.  thanks,

 Well, I bet he means mostly practical in that they are also partially fun. :)

-sv

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[RBW] Re: Fw: Employee bikes

[cm]

Somewhere in the original post, maybe when you clicked on the link,
it said it was the Moots factory. I admit to being a little confused
at first too.
I have a similar experience with bike shop employees/ owners; they
either ride old
steel road bikes, Surlys, or steel Lemonds. Now that the Lemonds are
gone, that
really leaves Surly. I think it is hard not to admire Surly, and Grant
has said as much himself.
How can you not like a company that makes good, steel, practical
bikes?

Most of the people I know who are die hard racers and ride $10,000
carbon also have a Surly.

Cheers!
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[RBW] Re: Fw: Employee bikes

[James Warren]

A lot of racing-style riders use Excel and Colorado Cyclist as a source for 
racing parts, and one of those catalogs, maybe both, sells Surly frames and 
bikes, so many of those riders are probably in the know about Surly through 
that. Or is it that Surly began marketing in those catalogs because there was 
already an interest from that type of rider? Which came first?

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To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: Fw: Employee bikes


Somewhere in the original post, maybe when you clicked on the link,
it said it was the Moots factory. I admit to being a little confused
at first too.
I have a similar experience with bike shop employees/ owners; they
either ride old
steel road bikes, Surlys, or steel Lemonds. Now that the Lemonds are
gone, that
really leaves Surly. I think it is hard not to admire Surly, and Grant
has said as much himself.
How can you not like a company that makes good, steel, practical
bikes?

Most of the people I know who are die hard racers and ride $10,000
carbon also have a Surly.

Cheers!
cm



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[RBW] Re: Fw: Employee bikes

[Ken Yokanovich]

Well, I happen to own a Surly Steamroller.  Bought the frame/fork from
Jim over at Hiawatha to use up some left over parts that I had left
over once my Quickbeam was destroyed.  It's not very practical at all,
though I have managed to fit it with 32mm tires and Berthoud fenders.
So, I guess it's just barely impractical :)

I happen to like Surly bikes a lot, I'd much prefer a Rivendell, which
is why I own 3 Rivendells and only 1 Surly.

On Jun 25, 7:53 am, Patrick in VT psh...@drm.com wrote:
 On Jun 24, 11:15 pm, Ken Yokanovich reflector.collec...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  As for the original post, there would appear to be 3 Surly's, the
  seemingly bike-shop employee standard... inexpensive, mostly
  practical, and readily available.

 Ken - can you elaborate on mostly practical?  I don't own a surly,
 just curious as to why a bike like a cross-check, LHT or pacer
 wouldn't be considered fully practical.  thanks,

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[RBW] Re: Fw: Employee bikes

[James Dinneen]

When there were no Quickbeams to be found, I settled for a Surly Steamroller 
with 32 tires. I was surprised at how much fun it was and half the price of the 
Quickbeam. That makes it easier to use for errands around town and leave it 
locked up out side.   Jim D.     Mass.

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From: Ken Yokanovich reflector.collec...@gmail.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: Fw: Employee bikes
To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, June 25, 2009, 4:43 PM


Well, I happen to own a Surly Steamroller.  Bought the frame/fork from
Jim over at Hiawatha to use up some left over parts that I had left
over once my Quickbeam was destroyed.  It's not very practical at all,
though I have managed to fit it with 32mm tires and Berthoud fenders.
So, I guess it's just barely impractical :)

I happen to like Surly bikes a lot, I'd much prefer a Rivendell, which
is why I own 3 Rivendells and only 1 Surly.

On Jun 25, 7:53 am, Patrick in VT psh...@drm.com wrote:
 On Jun 24, 11:15 pm, Ken Yokanovich reflector.collec...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  As for the original post, there would appear to be 3 Surly's, the
  seemingly bike-shop employee standard... inexpensive, mostly
  practical, and readily available.

 Ken - can you elaborate on mostly practical?  I don't own a surly,
 just curious as to why a bike like a cross-check, LHT or pacer
 wouldn't be considered fully practical.  thanks,

 Patrick




  
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[RBW] Re: Fw: Employee bikes

[Patrick in VT]

On Jun 25, 4:43 pm, Ken Yokanovich reflector.collec...@gmail.com
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 Well, I happen to own a Surly Steamroller.  It's not very practical at all,
 though I have managed to fit it with 32mm tires and Berthoud fenders.

i see.  well, surely you weren't expecting the steamroller to be
mostly practical, somewhat practical, or even just practical ;)

I actually like that about surly - there are some real options in its
line-up.  quasi-track, road, cx/all-rounder, touring, 29er,
extracycle, ss travel, etc.  smart bikes.






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[RBW] Re: Fw: Employee bikes

[Dave @ Rivendell]

that's not the riv parking lot.. hate to say

On Jun 22, 6:46 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote:
 This from a local buddy who went west and got a factory tour while he was 
 there.

 I'm guessing that there is more than one Riv in the Walnut Creek employee 
 bike parking lot. What do you think?

 - Forwarded Message 

 Here is one I thought that you would like. It is employee bike parking at 
 moots - one moots, one bianchi pista and three, count 'em , three Surly 
 Cross Checks all with fenders! Ha!



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[RBW] Re: Fw: Employee bikes

[relistan]

Yeah, I second that... been there and that ain't it.

Karl

On Jun 24, 4:57 pm, Dave @ Rivendell dave...@gmail.com wrote:
 that's not the riv parking lot.. hate to say

 On Jun 22, 6:46 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote:

  This from a local buddy who went west and got a factory tour while he was 
  there.

  I'm guessing that there is more than one Riv in the Walnut Creek employee 
  bike parking lot. What do you think?

  - Forwarded Message 

  Here is one I thought that you would like. It is employee bike parking at 
  moots - one moots, one bianchi pista and three, count 'em , three Surly 
  Cross Checks all with fenders! Ha!

   P6150043.jpg
  809KViewDownload
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[RBW] Re: Fw: Employee bikes

[Patrick in VT]

i believe that this is the moots factory parking lot - the OP's point
being that there is probably more than 1 riv in the riv parking lot
(as there is only one moots in the moots parking lot).


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[RBW] Re: Fw: Employee bikes

[Bruce]

Karl  Dave:

Don't know if it got lost in translation, but my thinking was that the Riv shop 
would have more rivs in it than the Moots shop had Moots bikes (just 1.)

Was that poorly communicated? Sorry


B





From: relistan relis...@gmail.com
To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 7:56:48 PM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Fw: Employee bikes


Yeah, I second that... been there and that ain't it.

Karl

On Jun 24, 4:57 pm, Dave @ Rivendell dave...@gmail.com wrote:
 that's not the riv parking lot.. hate to say

 On Jun 22, 6:46 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote:

  This from a local buddy who went west and got a factory tour while he was 
  there.

  I'm guessing that there is more than one Riv in the Walnut Creek employee 
  bike parking lot. What do you think?

  - Forwarded Message 

  Here is one I thought that you would like. It is employee bike parking at 
  moots - one moots, one bianchi pista and three, count 'em , three Surly 
  Cross Checks all with fenders! Ha!

   P6150043.jpg
  809KViewDownload


  
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[RBW] Re: Fw: Employee bikes

[Ken Yokanovich]

That makes a lot more sense.

I might be reading too much into the Rivendell Philosophy but my
guess is that from the way that Grant seems interested in giving back,
he probably pays a little more than the average for the bicycle
industry?  Yes, looking through the photos of the staff bikes at
Rivendell, much of the bikes as an instrument for use is demonstrated.
All look well used and very practical.  Nothing overly fancy either.

The topic of Employees Bikes is a good one though.  I'm fascinated
with the bikes that bike shop employees generally ride.  I worked at a
shop for nearly 15 years when one day I realized that none of the
employees working at the shop were riding any of the bikes that were
being sold at the shop. (That's when I decided to move on too...) Most
were either customer donations, resurectios, or Surly and chances are
they were all singlespeed.  The well seasoned staff seems to look at
the parts as just something that makes the bike work.

As for the original post, there would appear to be 3 Surly's, the
seemingly bike-shop employee standard... inexpensive, mostly
practical, and readily available.  The other looks like an older
(quill stem)  Bianchi in their signature color. I like Moots a lot,
but beyond my willingness to part with the dollars.  Chances are that
at a suggested retail price of $3200 for the YBB frame (in photo,) a
Moots is well beyond the range of most people.  For the same amount of
money, I'd order another custom Rivendell extra fancy and get a
beautiful lugged fork too!


On Jun 24, 8:12 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Karl  Dave:

 Don't know if it got lost in translation, but my thinking was that the Riv 
 shop would have more rivs in it than the Moots shop had Moots bikes (just 1.)

 Was that poorly communicated? Sorry


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[RBW] Re: Fw: Employee bikes

[relistan]

Yeah, sorry, I didn't see Moots anywhere in the first post and the
name doesn't mean anything to me, anyway, so seeing one of the bikes
in the photo with that name didn't speak to me. :)  I get it now.
When I was at Rivendell I saw nothing there but Rivendells to answer
your question.

Karl

On Jun 24, 6:12 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Karl  Dave:

 Don't know if it got lost in translation, but my thinking was that the Riv 
 shop would have more rivs in it than the Moots shop had Moots bikes (just 1.)

 Was that poorly communicated? Sorry

 B

 
 From: relistan relis...@gmail.com
 To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 7:56:48 PM
 Subject: [RBW] Re: Fw: Employee bikes

 Yeah, I second that... been there and that ain't it.

 Karl

 On Jun 24, 4:57 pm, Dave @ Rivendell dave...@gmail.com wrote:

  that's not the riv parking lot.. hate to say

  On Jun 22, 6:46 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote:

   This from a local buddy who went west and got a factory tour while he was 
   there.

   I'm guessing that there is more than one Riv in the Walnut Creek employee 
   bike parking lot. What do you think?

   - Forwarded Message 

   Here is one I thought that you would like. It is employee bike parking 
   at moots - one moots, one bianchi pista and three, count 'em , three 
   Surly Cross Checks all with fenders! Ha!

    P6150043.jpg
   809KViewDownload
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[RBW] Re: Fw: Employee bikes

[CycloFiend]

on 6/24/09 9:14 PM, relistan at relis...@gmail.com wrote:
 Yeah, sorry, I didn't see Moots anywhere in the first post and the
 name doesn't mean anything to me, anyway, so seeing one of the bikes
 in the photo with that name didn't speak to me. :)  I get it now.
 When I was at Rivendell I saw nothing there but Rivendells to answer
 your question.

For those folks who haven't been to Walnut Creek, there are a few RBWHQL
photos in the RBW Staff Bikes Flickr Group -
http://www.flickr.com/groups/rbwstaffbikes/

- J

-- 
Jim Edgar
cyclofi...@earthlink.net

Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com
Current Classics - Cross Bikes
Singlespeed - Working Bikes

The Gallery needs your photos! Send 'em in - Here's how:
http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines

I carried my bike inside the front door, a privilege earned by steady
patronage.
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[RBW] Re: Fw: Employee bikes

[Robert F. Harrison]

I visited Walnut Crrek in March on while I was in Oakland for conference.
Yes, I saw more than one well used Riv.

There is a staff bike page on their website:
http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/bicycle_models#product=50-998



On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote:

 This from a local buddy who went west and got a factory tour while he was
 there.

 I'm guessing that there is more than one Riv in the Walnut Creek employee
 bike parking lot. What do you think?

 - Forwarded Message 
 **
 **

   Here is one I thought that you would like. It is employee bike parking
 at moots - one moots, one bianchi pista and three, count 'em , three Surly
 Cross Checks all with fenders! Ha!





 



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