Re: [RBW] Re: Grant's Stock on Bike Forums has Appreciated

[Reed Kennedy]

Of note: Eroica California now allows bikes with aero brake levers so long
as they don't have built in shifters:
http://www.eroicacalifornia.com/registration

Bar-end shifters are ok too, so long as they don't index.

Personally, my impression of the event depends on how I consider it:

When I think of Eroica as a ride but with lots of arbitrary rules it
rankles a bit.

When I think of Eroica as a parade that happens to be unusually athletic
then I like it a lot.

I prefer to think of it the second way. Considering attending this year!


Reed

On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 6:03 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I am pretty sure bar end shifters are allowed, since they were quite
> common in the peloton in the '40s and '50s, if not '60s.
>
> Yep; http://www.eroicagaiole.com/regulation.
>
> Also, Rivendells too have to meet the criteria; mine as presently ridden,
> would not.
>
> It's all a bit precious, though I can rather easily forgive this
> particular sort of preciousness as it happens to agree with my personal
> tastes and prejudices. It's *my* kind of preciousness. It is funny to
> think that my 2 Rivendells fixed gears would, as currently ridden, count as
> too modern for the rules, with clipless pedals and aero brake levers.
>
> Also, I think hub gears, at least 2 and 3 speed hub gears, are allowed --
> my only hope, should I (as I have dreamed) enter an Eroica. I think that
> the S3X counts as a KOF for the AW.
>
> On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 6:46 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> Any lugged steel bike is approved, including Rivs and a new Bianchi
>> created just for the event. You're right about non-aero levers,
>> clips-and-straps and dt. I don't think bar-ends are allowed.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant's Stock on Bike Forums has Appreciated

[Patrick Moore]

I am pretty sure bar end shifters are allowed, since they were quite common
in the peloton in the '40s and '50s, if not '60s.

Yep; http://www.eroicagaiole.com/regulation.

Also, Rivendells too have to meet the criteria; mine as presently ridden,
would not.

It's all a bit precious, though I can rather easily forgive this particular
sort of preciousness as it happens to agree with my personal tastes and
prejudices. It's *my* kind of preciousness. It is funny to think that my 2
Rivendells fixed gears would, as currently ridden, count as too modern for
the rules, with clipless pedals and aero brake levers.

Also, I think hub gears, at least 2 and 3 speed hub gears, are allowed --
my only hope, should I (as I have dreamed) enter an Eroica. I think that
the S3X counts as a KOF for the AW.

On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 6:46 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Any lugged steel bike is approved, including Rivs and a new Bianchi
> created just for the event. You're right about non-aero levers,
> clips-and-straps and dt. I don't think bar-ends are allowed.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant's Stock on Bike Forums has Appreciated

[Joe Bernard]

Any lugged steel bike is approved, including Rivs and a new Bianchi created 
just for the event. You're right about non-aero levers, clips-and-straps and 
dt. I don't think bar-ends are allowed. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant's Stock on Bike Forums has Appreciated

[Patrick Moore]

At least *this* was funny! If Off Topic.

On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 5:16 PM, Garth  wrote:

>
>  Why thank you Patrick Moore . . . . I am already home thank you , and
> I'm having s'moore's for dessert  ! Hey . . that's A-moore' !  !
>
>
> Sing-sing-sing a--long-tyme  .  . .  .
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *When a moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie That's amoore When the
> world seems to shine like you've had too much wine That's amoore ...  ...
>      *
>
> On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 6:41:13 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Garth, please go home.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant's Stock on Bike Forums has Appreciated

[Garth]

https://youtu.be/1TWhFmCRdoU

On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 7:16:48 PM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>
>
>  Why thank you Patrick Moore . . . . I am already home thank you , and 
> I'm having s'moore's for dessert  ! Hey . . that's A-moore' !  !
>
>
> Sing-sing-sing a--long-tyme  .  . .  . 
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *When a moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie That's amoore When the 
> world seems to shine like you've had too much wine That's amoore ...  ...   
>      *
>
> On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 6:41:13 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Garth, please go home.
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant's Stock on Bike Forums has Appreciated

[Garth]

 Why thank you Patrick Moore . . . . I am already home thank you , and 
I'm having s'moore's for dessert  ! Hey . . that's A-moore' !  !


Sing-sing-sing a--long-tyme  .  . .  . 






*When a moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie That's amoore When the 
world seems to shine like you've had too much wine That's amoore ...  ...   
     *

On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 6:41:13 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Garth, please go home.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant's Stock on Bike Forums has Appreciated

[Patrick Moore]

Garth, please go home.

On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 4:18 PM, Garth  wrote:

>
> BF and all "opinions" , no matter who gives them, are really just
> complete and utter nonsense as we're all just repeating the same ol' stuff
> . . . .and we just can't help ourselves  . .  .ahahahaahahahaha !  !  !
>
> There is no "new" thought or idea, no one owns them either .  Ponder
> that and when you see it's truth is revealed you'll just giggle about
> yourself and all the "defending and prosecuting" in the name of ideas. No
> one owns or thought either, which just adds to the giggles !
> Ahahahaahahaahaha !
>
>
>
>   ((  While you're out riding today   .  . . . . if you don't already,
> sing a song, any song, the sillier the better so you're having so much fun
> nothing else matters :) ))
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant's Stock on Bike Forums has Appreciated

[Patrick Moore]

When I reach Hampsten's stature, I'm sure they'll let me enter a
non-modified Rivendell!

On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 4:14 PM, Brewster Fong  wrote:

>
>
> On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 1:39:23 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> OHO. Oh, no. No no no no; no old mountain bikes; this is very, very
>> strictly Old School Roadie: no clipless, no aero levers, and I think that
>> shifting is limited to dt and bar ends. Wool and leather and steel highly
>> preferred. Approved bikes date from the early 20th century thru the '70s,
>> IIRC.
>>
>> I must admit having a large sentimental and aesthetic fondness for
>> "classic" road race bikes -- say, 50s thru very early 80 (I started earning
>> my cycling chops about the time Eddy went Pro, and I once built a bike with
>> a real Cyclo Benelux rd; but even I feel constrained by the Eroica rubric.
>>
>> But I'd love to ride one; would have to replace the aero levers and
>> pedals on one of the Rivs, though.
>>
>
> Well they did make one exception at this year's Eroica California by
> allowing ANDY HAMPSTEN to ride the bike he used to win the Giro in 1988,
> his 7-11 *Huffy* bike, which has both aero levers and clipless pedals:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/46195580@N03/26378658655
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/46195580@N03/25776015083/
>
> So, they do make some exceptions...;)  Good Luck!
>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 1:00 PM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I had to look up Eroica.   Sounds like a fun scene.  Especially if they
>>> include 80's MTB's!
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Grant's Stock on Bike Forums has Appreciated

[Garth]

 
BF and all "opinions" , no matter who gives them, are really just 
complete and utter nonsense as we're all just repeating the same ol' stuff 
. . . .and we just can't help ourselves  . .  .ahahahaahahahaha !  !  !  

There is no "new" thought or idea, no one owns them either .  Ponder 
that and when you see it's truth is revealed you'll just giggle about 
yourself and all the "defending and prosecuting" in the name of ideas. No 
one owns or thought either, which just adds to the giggles !   
Ahahahaahahaahaha !  

 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant's Stock on Bike Forums has Appreciated

[Brewster Fong]

On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 1:39:23 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> OHO. Oh, no. No no no no; no old mountain bikes; this is very, very 
> strictly Old School Roadie: no clipless, no aero levers, and I think that 
> shifting is limited to dt and bar ends. Wool and leather and steel highly 
> preferred. Approved bikes date from the early 20th century thru the '70s, 
> IIRC.
>
> I must admit having a large sentimental and aesthetic fondness for 
> "classic" road race bikes -- say, 50s thru very early 80 (I started earning 
> my cycling chops about the time Eddy went Pro, and I once built a bike with 
> a real Cyclo Benelux rd; but even I feel constrained by the Eroica rubric. 
>
> But I'd love to ride one; would have to replace the aero levers and pedals 
> on one of the Rivs, though.
>

Well they did make one exception at this year's Eroica California by 
allowing ANDY HAMPSTEN to ride the bike he used to win the Giro in 1988, 
his 7-11 *Huffy* bike, which has both aero levers and clipless pedals:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/46195580@N03/26378658655

https://www.flickr.com/photos/46195580@N03/25776015083/

So, they do make some exceptions...;)  Good Luck! 

>
> On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 1:00 PM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> I had to look up Eroica.   Sounds like a fun scene.  Especially if they 
>> include 80's MTB's! 
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant's Stock on Bike Forums has Appreciated

[Patrick Moore]

OHO. Oh, no. No no no no; no old mountain bikes; this is very, very
strictly Old School Roadie: no clipless, no aero levers, and I think that
shifting is limited to dt and bar ends. Wool and leather and steel highly
preferred. Approved bikes date from the early 20th century thru the '70s,
IIRC.

I must admit having a large sentimental and aesthetic fondness for
"classic" road race bikes -- say, 50s thru very early 80 (I started earning
my cycling chops about the time Eddy went Pro, and I once built a bike with
a real Cyclo Benelux rd; but even I feel constrained by the Eroica rubric.

But I'd love to ride one; would have to replace the aero levers and pedals
on one of the Rivs, though.

On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 1:00 PM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I had to look up Eroica.   Sounds like a fun scene.  Especially if they
> include 80's MTB's!
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Grant's Stock on Bike Forums has Appreciated

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I had to look up Eroica.   Sounds like a fun scene.  Especially if they 
include 80's MTB's! 



On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 9:54:42 AM UTC-5, Scott McLain wrote:
>
> Wow that exchange was painful!  I did get a chuckle out of some of it.  I 
> think Mobile 155's glass is definitely half empty.  
>
> I am still getting my head around the Rivendell paradigm.  I loved Grant's 
> recent story about the girl who saw him on a trail on Mount Diablo and 
> laughed at him and said "nice basket".  It makes me chuckle even though 
> Grant didn't see the humor of the situation.  Grant's response was very 
> interesting.  See quote below...
>
> It is interesting to see how people don't get "just ride".  They are so 
> deeply entrenched in the racing is the measure of goodness or greatness 
> paradigm.
>
> "Last week on a morning group ride  (me, Mark, Brian, Roman) here out on 
> the trails, I was grunting up the last hill on my basketed CLEM, and they 
> were standing there with three other riders, and as I was cresting, one of 
> the unknown riders said ”nice basket!” with a chuckle.  Then to the group, 
> “You guys should ride Eroica—it’d be perfect for you.”
>
> All harmless on the surface, but it bothered and bugged me that she was so 
> unaccustomed to seeing unsuspended steel bikes that she thought it must 
> have been a philosophy of life; and that we rubes would enjoy riding with 
> others of our kind. Like, 
> *hey Amish—you should meet the Mennonites—you got the same kinda deal 
> going on, with the clothes and all!*
>
> It can’t be too surprising and I shouldn’t get t upset (I’m not, and 
> this is the extent of my venting), but we were there in the open space, 
> with nothing but rolling hills and oaks and dustry trails and barbed-wire 
> fences, riding low key, low tech, perfectly suited bikes (Mark: Custom 
> cross; Brian: Homer; Roman: Sam). The new group was on dual-suspension 
> carbon mtn bikes and had high-key clothing on…which is fine, but the only 
> thing about us that stuck out in the whole scene was nothing, and as the 
> ownerguy of Rivendell, I didn’t like the characterization that I sensed was 
> going on, even if it was all wrong about it and just too defensive. I don’t 
> always have the perfect clue on things like that.
>
> Our bikes are normal. They’re just bikes, really good ones, but they’re 
> designed by riding them, not by trends and fear of falling behind them, or 
> out of a need to match our competition’s X-price point model. They aren’t 
> what they aren’t, and they ought to get to be what they are. Argh. OK, 
> enough of that, and happy days are here again.
> "
>
> On Wednesday, October 5, 2016 at 9:34:29 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>>
>> http://www.bikeforums.net/general-cycling-discussion/1067000-grant-petersen-threat-menace.html
>>  
>>  
>>
>> In the past, this group has linked to some virulent threads about GP and 
>> RBW on Bike Forums.  
>> The mods there don't seem to earn their keep in general, and extreme + 
>> rude opinions are often allowed.  
>> In spite of the title, a current thread has run 9 pages and the likes 
>> overwhelmingly out-number the detractions.  
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant's Stock on Bike Forums has Appreciated

[Ron Mc]

I'm even adding a bar bag to my go-fast this winter - hopefully Ely is 
making it this week

On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 10:23:45 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> That snide remark would have inflamed me; stupid woman; a casual (by 
> Grant's standards) cyclist making fun of someone who's been deep inthe 
> business for decades. I'd immediately have said something like, "You must 
> be a Fred."
>
> This makes me want to put basket on my bikes (even though I hate baskets*).
>
> (*I like bags much better.)
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant's Stock on Bike Forums has Appreciated

[Patrick Moore]

That snide remark would have inflamed me; stupid woman; a casual (by
Grant's standards) cyclist making fun of someone who's been deep inthe
business for decades. I'd immediately have said something like, "You must
be a Fred."

This makes me want to put basket on my bikes (even though I hate baskets*).

(*I like bags much better.)



On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 8:54 AM, Scott McLain  wrote:

> Wow that exchange was painful!  I did get a chuckle out of some of it.  I
> think Mobile 155's glass is definitely half empty.
>
> I am still getting my head around the Rivendell paradigm.  I loved Grant's
> recent story about the girl who saw him on a trail on Mount Diablo and
> laughed at him and said "nice basket".  It makes me chuckle even though
> Grant didn't see the humor of the situation.  Grant's response was very
> interesting.  See quote below...
>
> It is interesting to see how people don't get "just ride".  They are so
> deeply entrenched in the racing is the measure of goodness or greatness
> paradigm.
>
> "Last week on a morning group ride  (me, Mark, Brian, Roman) here out on
> the trails, I was grunting up the last hill on my basketed CLEM, and they
> were standing there with three other riders, and as I was cresting, one of
> the unknown riders said ”nice basket!” with a chuckle.  Then to the group,
> “You guys should ride Eroica—it’d be perfect for you.”
>
> All harmless on the surface, but it bothered and bugged me that she was so
> unaccustomed to seeing unsuspended steel bikes that she thought it must
> have been a philosophy of life; and that we rubes would enjoy riding with
> others of our kind. Like,
> *hey Amish—you should meet the Mennonites—you got the same kinda deal
> going on, with the clothes and all!*
>
> It can’t be too surprising and I shouldn’t get t upset (I’m not, and
> this is the extent of my venting), but we were there in the open space,
> with nothing but rolling hills and oaks and dustry trails and barbed-wire
> fences, riding low key, low tech, perfectly suited bikes (Mark: Custom
> cross; Brian: Homer; Roman: Sam). The new group was on dual-suspension
> carbon mtn bikes and had high-key clothing on…which is fine, but the only
> thing about us that stuck out in the whole scene was nothing, and as the
> ownerguy of Rivendell, I didn’t like the characterization that I sensed was
> going on, even if it was all wrong about it and just too defensive. I don’t
> always have the perfect clue on things like that.
>
> Our bikes are normal. They’re just bikes, really good ones, but they’re
> designed by riding them, not by trends and fear of falling behind them, or
> out of a need to match our competition’s X-price point model. They aren’t
> what they aren’t, and they ought to get to be what they are. Argh. OK,
> enough of that, and happy days are here again.
> "
>
> On Wednesday, October 5, 2016 at 9:34:29 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> http://www.bikeforums.net/general-cycling-discussion/1067000
>> -grant-petersen-threat-menace.html
>>
>> In the past, this group has linked to some virulent threads about GP and
>> RBW on Bike Forums.
>> The mods there don't seem to earn their keep in general, and extreme +
>> rude opinions are often allowed.
>> In spite of the title, a current thread has run 9 pages and the likes
>> overwhelmingly out-number the detractions.
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[RBW] Re: Grant's Stock on Bike Forums has Appreciated

[Scott McLain]

Wow that exchange was painful!  I did get a chuckle out of some of it.  I 
think Mobile 155's glass is definitely half empty.  

I am still getting my head around the Rivendell paradigm.  I loved Grant's 
recent story about the girl who saw him on a trail on Mount Diablo and 
laughed at him and said "nice basket".  It makes me chuckle even though 
Grant didn't see the humor of the situation.  Grant's response was very 
interesting.  See quote below...

It is interesting to see how people don't get "just ride".  They are so 
deeply entrenched in the racing is the measure of goodness or greatness 
paradigm.

"Last week on a morning group ride  (me, Mark, Brian, Roman) here out on 
the trails, I was grunting up the last hill on my basketed CLEM, and they 
were standing there with three other riders, and as I was cresting, one of 
the unknown riders said ”nice basket!” with a chuckle.  Then to the group, 
“You guys should ride Eroica—it’d be perfect for you.”

All harmless on the surface, but it bothered and bugged me that she was so 
unaccustomed to seeing unsuspended steel bikes that she thought it must 
have been a philosophy of life; and that we rubes would enjoy riding with 
others of our kind. Like, 
*hey Amish—you should meet the Mennonites—you got the same kinda deal going 
on, with the clothes and all!*

It can’t be too surprising and I shouldn’t get t upset (I’m not, and 
this is the extent of my venting), but we were there in the open space, 
with nothing but rolling hills and oaks and dustry trails and barbed-wire 
fences, riding low key, low tech, perfectly suited bikes (Mark: Custom 
cross; Brian: Homer; Roman: Sam). The new group was on dual-suspension 
carbon mtn bikes and had high-key clothing on…which is fine, but the only 
thing about us that stuck out in the whole scene was nothing, and as the 
ownerguy of Rivendell, I didn’t like the characterization that I sensed was 
going on, even if it was all wrong about it and just too defensive. I don’t 
always have the perfect clue on things like that.

Our bikes are normal. They’re just bikes, really good ones, but they’re 
designed by riding them, not by trends and fear of falling behind them, or 
out of a need to match our competition’s X-price point model. They aren’t 
what they aren’t, and they ought to get to be what they are. Argh. OK, 
enough of that, and happy days are here again.
"

On Wednesday, October 5, 2016 at 9:34:29 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>
>
> http://www.bikeforums.net/general-cycling-discussion/1067000-grant-petersen-threat-menace.html
>  
>  
>
> In the past, this group has linked to some virulent threads about GP and 
> RBW on Bike Forums.  
> The mods there don't seem to earn their keep in general, and extreme + 
> rude opinions are often allowed.  
> In spite of the title, a current thread has run 9 pages and the likes 
> overwhelmingly out-number the detractions.  
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant's Stock on Bike Forums has Appreciated

[Jim Bronson]

MAKE WEB FORUMS GREAT AGAIN!!!

;)

I don't mind being called out by a person with a thoughtful response, often
times, I will learn something by listening and be enriched by it.  But
mindless rants, well, I have to agree with Ron, it's better to just block
people who just post a continuous stream of drivel.  This email group and a
couple other bike related groups (with many of the same posters) are
remarkably free of such content, which is what makes them great.

-Jim

On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 7:44 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:

> People call you out there for no good reason.  There is a general reaction
> that "my way is best" and anything different is somehow trying to take away
> their choices.   Any time you're quoted, it's automatically flagged,
> essentially giving you a chore to open it.  The people who are pointless
> and rude, I simply put them on my ignore list - I have 21 names on my
> ignore list there.
> But again, the point is that Grant, Rivendell, Jan, Compass tires are
> known and respected by the general majority, so the Just Ride word is
> getting out.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant's Stock on Bike Forums has Appreciated

[Ron Mc]

People call you out there for no good reason.  There is a general reaction 
that "my way is best" and anything different is somehow trying to take away 
their choices.   Any time you're quoted, it's automatically flagged, 
essentially giving you a chore to open it.  The people who are pointless 
and rude, I simply put them on my ignore list - I have 21 names on my 
ignore list there.  
But again, the point is that Grant, Rivendell, Jan, Compass tires are known 
and respected by the general majority, so the Just Ride word is getting 
out.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant's Stock on Bike Forums has Appreciated

[Scott Henry]

I must be one of the few whom enjoys the banter.   I don't get much out
constant agreement, I more like a debate class.   I don't want two
differing opinions, I enjoy all opinions, even the ones you guys call
"crazy' or 'rude".
That's what makes life fun for me.Its also what keeps me from posting
more often, tender feelings and such.

Its nice that we can all agree on this type of bike though.
Scott


On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 9:47 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> This is why I like Twitter so much. It's a forum where I can choose who to
> hear from, and exclude screeching lunatics who are only there to agitate. I
> don't believe in echo chambers so I follow lots of folks with
> politics/ideas I disagree with - studies show that this "mingling" tends to
> reduce the most extreme views for parties on both sides of that
> relationship, which I have found to be true in myself - but I don't have to
> listen to unfiltered madness from trolls. That issue is obviously not the
> case at RBW Bunch, but it's a problem on most forums.
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[RBW] Re: Grant's Stock on Bike Forums has Appreciated

[Joe Bernard]

This is why I like Twitter so much. It's a forum where I can choose who to hear 
from, and exclude screeching lunatics who are only there to agitate. I don't 
believe in echo chambers so I follow lots of folks with politics/ideas I 
disagree with - studies show that this "mingling" tends to reduce the most 
extreme views for parties on both sides of that relationship, which I have 
found to be true in myself - but I don't have to listen to unfiltered madness 
from trolls. That issue is obviously not the case at RBW Bunch, but it's a 
problem on most forums. 

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[RBW] Re: Grant's Stock on Bike Forums has Appreciated

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I've posted in that thread!!   I always have to check out any thread with 
Rivendell, RBW or Grant Petersen in the title.

The "What is the poor man's Rivendell" thread is fascinating.  I forget how 
many pages it's up to but it's an old and very long thread. 

http://www.bikeforums.net/commuting/631114-what-poor-man-s-rivendell.html




On Wednesday, October 5, 2016 at 10:34:29 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
>
> http://www.bikeforums.net/general-cycling-discussion/1067000-grant-petersen-threat-menace.html
>  
>  
>
> In the past, this group has linked to some virulent threads about GP and 
> RBW on Bike Forums.  
> The mods there don't seem to earn their keep in general, and extreme + 
> rude opinions are often allowed.  
> In spite of the title, a current thread has run 9 pages and the likes 
> overwhelmingly out-number the detractions.  
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[RBW] Re: Grant's Stock on Bike Forums has Appreciated

[Ron Mc]

when any forum gets weird is when people badmouth what they haven't 
personally tried or even tried to understand

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[RBW] Re: Grant's Stock on Bike Forums has Appreciated

[Chris Birkenmaier]

I frequent a number of other bike forums - that particular one being one of 
them.  Over the years of spending time on chat forums, I've learned to 
heavily discount a lot of what I read.  I mean, anyone can post pretty much 
anything they want.  I used to spend a lot of time on guitar forums and it 
was exactly the same way.  Some comments and posters in general were real 
head scratchers.  I really like this forum as people seem friendly or at 
least pretty knowledgeable.  Haven't seen anything near a flame war here.  
Kudos to the group and the moderator for that!

On Wednesday, October 5, 2016 at 11:34:29 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote:
>
>
> http://www.bikeforums.net/general-cycling-discussion/1067000-grant-petersen-threat-menace.html
>  
>  
>
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> RBW on Bike Forums.  
> The mods there don't seem to earn their keep in general, and extreme + 
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